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10:45.51HachimanHai
10:52.48Monethttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436070488674397531/E68BB670F14747C5163E78D7EA04019E5DB595E4/ never set up a taxi company in the sticks.
10:54.51MonetPC Gamer also recently published screnshots from the upcoming ANno 2205 http://ec0c5a7f741a6f3bff65-dd07187202f57fa404a8f047da2bcff5.r85.cf1.rackcdn.com/images/Ycc-k8LYTl2b.jpg  http://ec0c5a7f741a6f3bff65-dd07187202f57fa404a8f047da2bcff5.r85.cf1.rackcdn.com/images/ayFu-9KeQqOP.jpg
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10:55.42HachimanIt looks pretty gorgeous
10:56.30MonetIt does.
10:58.18MonetAccording to the article they're planning ot implement a broader metagame where cities you build can trade resources with each other.
10:59.18MonetSomething that I've always fanciedi n an Anno game
11:00.54MonetPC Gamer has also confirmed that yes, ew can build moon cities
11:01.00Monetthat yes*
11:01.08Monetyes we can build moon cities*
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11:04.35MonetJust heard on the news that Julian Assange has been refused Asylum in France. That's a name I haven't heard in headlines for a while.
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11:08.30HachimanJulian Assange?
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11:09.09MonetFounder of Wikileaks.
11:09.37MonetConvenient how I DCd just then.
11:12.11Hachimanhur
11:14.20MonetI'd say MI5 is on to me but after it was revealed that Snowdon's leaked data containing information on curent counterterrorist operations and terrorist agents being tracked the UK and US, I'm dubious about whether Wikileaks was a good idea
11:19.57MonetBasically while he did raise the surveillence concerns, the information on Wikileaks also created a serious vunerability in state security.
11:20.27HachimanAye, which can be accessed by literally anyone
11:20.33MonetGCHQ had to pull agents form the field after dossiers detailing the agents' activities appeared on Wikileaks.
11:22.14MonetAgents who were, until they were pulled out, monitoring known agents of the Taliban.
11:23.33HachimanAye
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11:25.56Wormy_hi
11:26.06MonetHi
11:26.15MonetInternational espionage is a very sensetive thing
11:28.17MonetIts orders of magnitude more perilous than hiding a guilty activity from your parents.
11:29.29HachimanWormy_: What is the current state of the Neanderthals as of 2808?
11:30.21MonetSkyfall was on the TV some time ago and I think in a way, for British or American Intelligence its aworst fear scenario.
11:30.48Wormy_Either they retreated, or became members of the Terran Republic
11:31.43MonetI'm curious. What of Earth?
11:33.11MonetActually nvm, still slightly drowsy
11:33.33HachimanActually I dunno the state of Earth either hur
11:33.39HachimanAs far as I recall, it is still a snowball
11:35.04Wormy_Earth is open to human colonisation again.  With the mysterious threat subsided.  But it was already undergoing an ice age, and the Neanderthals and TDP tipped it to the extreme
11:35.46Wormy_TDP may have done it on purpose to spite the fact the Neanderthals didn't build a huge global city
11:37.11MonetI wonder how long such a project could take for a lot of powers
11:37.28MonetA city covering an entire planet is a lot of metal.
11:37.53HachimanCould be easily done with self-replicating materials
11:38.13Wormy_I don't think its very possible.  All the waste heat from bodies alone would need dumping somewhere.  But where, hyperspace?
11:38.34Wormy_Even systems used to cool the planet will in the long run, heat it up
11:39.23MonetEven if heating, onstruction and materials are solved, there's the matter of running costs.
11:39.44Wormy_Some terrain on Earth simply won't support Coruscant style buildings
11:40.40MonetOne possible advantage is that as we progress with geoengineering, foundations could get cheaper
11:40.52HachimanMonet: http://orig07.deviantart.net/fd46/f/2014/165/4/0/the_secret_history_of_vandal_savage_by_nick_perks-d7mbb8c.jpg
11:41.39MonetI've played enough city builders to know that building skyscrapers for the sake of skyscrapers is a huge money sink
11:41.48MonetThe land needs to be used ot make it worthwhile
11:43.11Wormy_Most of the DCP lives in megastructures
11:43.36Wormy_I have come to realise other than homeworlds and few old colonies, planets are mostly worthless
11:44.49Wormy_For a civilisation that can cheaply mine asteroids and replicate their own materials.
11:45.12HachimanEarth was probably not much of a loss for the human nations
11:45.25HachimanIf anything it was more of a morale blow than a strategic one
11:45.40Wormy_Indeed
11:45.42MonetMost likely
11:46.15Wormy_Most of the humankind in the 29th century were never even born near Earth
11:46.38MonetYou have nations like France who effectively rebuilt their capital city to the last brick on another planet
11:49.26MonetIt might be the DI still colonise planets because they understand that eventually another intelligence will arise and find the ruins.
11:51.25MonetI've writen on the tech page that the DI has a thorough knowledge of memetics. All these planets (which they've extensively terraformed) could have been scuplted in case the Imperium moves on and new life emerges, who find the ruins.
11:52.11HachimanI was thinking that my transhuman species - the large, muscular brutish humans - could have been, and still be, a significant power to rival some of the modern human nations and those that are currently part of the latter are rebels, immigrants, or the descendants of either
11:53.25Wormy_The Roburans?
11:53.37Monetbbl
11:53.39HachimanYeah
11:53.45HachimanI still need a revised name for them though
11:53.53Wormy_They could be part of the Kindred Coalition if you like
11:54.57MonetActually I can stay for a little
11:55.00HachimanDo the powers of the Kindred Coalition retain their sovereignty?
11:55.12Wormy_Yep
11:55.23HachimanHm fair enough
11:55.35Wormy_Its more like a federation of sorts
11:55.50MonetWormy_: Are there any members of the Kindred Coalition still opposed to the DCP's campaign?
11:56.02Wormy_There may
11:56.25HachimanWhy was the DCP fighting again?
11:56.40Wormy_Probably, yes.  Some might be feeling they didn't power they were promised
11:57.12Wormy_The DCP doesn't like what it percieves as colonial aggression by the DI and France
11:57.48MonetAlthough I'd say both sides are guilty of doing things the other doesn't like.
11:57.51Wormy_Though it has become more aggressive in recent years
11:58.23Wormy_Both sides are bad as each imo.  Though its possible both have been manipulated into war somewhat
11:58.48MonetThe DCP may not like the colonial aggression, but the DCP responded with acts like the Quadrantia Trade Zone crisis.
11:59.15MonetWHich iirc involved effectively destroying any French military or civillian vessel that rtavelled down the route.
11:59.39Wormy_Well France went into the Quadrants and demanded a toll zone where the DCP travelled to the Quadrants for decades.
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12:00.54MonetI still wonder if stating "a third party manipulated them into fighting" is a good idea.
12:01.24Wormy_We don't have to reveal what that third party is
12:01.44Wormy_I prefer it because look at all the strange coincidences
12:03.05MonetIt could be down to a breakdown of trust. You did afterall say that the DCP has a history of bullying or harassing empireson its fringe into submission
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12:03.23Wormy_Or, maybe the DCP imagines a third party.  A bit like how the US imagined massive terror cells inside in mountains of Afganistan
12:03.56AdmiralPandahi all
12:04.05Wormy_And has become more policing
12:04.05MonetHi
12:04.25MonetI'm all for conspiracy nuts in-universe accusing current events of being the result of someone pullign strings.
12:04.57MonetI've alays liked seeing the odd misconception in fiction.
12:05.23MonetWell, almost.
12:06.37MonetFeels boring when everyone has the right idea about another individual or place.
12:07.28AdmiralPandalike everyone assuming the Fordanta are all bloodthirsty monstrosities
12:07.39AdmiralPandathey're only like that during work hours :P
12:08.45MonetExactly.
12:10.31MonetAnd like how not every officer in the military has the temperement of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman 24/7.
12:11.04HachimanIt is kind of his job to be like that though
12:11.13HachimanDrill officers are paid to act like that during hours
12:11.14MonetOn the job, yes.
12:11.34MonetBut when not on the job I'm sure he's less shouty.
12:12.19MonetThat sort of shoutyness is common among all soldiers because when in the field you have to communicate over 100+Db of noise.
12:12.42Wormy_The DCP command is immortal, but has become senile
12:13.13MonetWOrmy_: I'm all for DCP command thinking there's an enemy manipulator out there.
12:13.25MonetWhen the truth is much more ambiguous
12:14.04MonetTheoretically the measures and actions they take to combat the percieved manipulators alone is enough to strai ntensions.
12:14.36Wormy_I'll leave it as an open question for years to come
12:14.38MonetAnd in regards to France's expansionism, France is a rising power that perhaps the DCP considers a threat to the status qup?
12:14.58Wormy_Possibly
12:15.07MonetIt could feel threatened by France's rising star status.
12:17.11MonetMaybe given the pragmatic natures of both the DI and the DCP and given the Imperial nobility's love of machiavellian politics within itself, I'm fine with even prior DI-DCP relations being not all sunshine and rainbows.
12:19.28MonetWhere on the surface they're good friends who worked closely, but under the table both could be suspicious, maybe even paranoid, the other will make a move they don't like.
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12:20.49MonetEven before the war each of the two powers sided with rival human supranational groups.
12:21.28Wormy_indeed
12:22.00Wormy_Human powers in the future will remember they were pawns between the DI and DCP
12:22.45MonetThey each wanted their chosen human ally to be humanity's unifier. I find it hard to believe that pragmatically-inclined groups like the DI and DCP would simply shrug that off as no big deal.
12:23.39MonetIts like supporting Manchester United while your best friend supports Liverpool.
12:25.27MonetAwayActually wait better comparison
12:25.50MonetAwaySupporting Man. United while your best friend supports Man. CIty.
12:31.35AdmiralPandawas doing a raid, but on the subject of soldiers: being able to shout really loudly is something they actually train you to do in the army, but they also teach you to deliver such verbal abuse in a non-emotional way
12:32.07AdmiralPandaFull Metal Jacket exaggerates things a lot, like sure you get your flaws mercilessly pointed out, but in a clinical way rather than emotive
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12:38.37MonetAwayI saw one phrase that summed up military life as "Long days of repetetive tedium occasionally interspersed with a few minutes of pants-shitting terror"
12:39.34MonetAwayI guess swearing the military is a coping mechanism.
12:45.31MonetAwayIts like EVE really: You sign up for the action, end up spending long hours doing tasks they only need half a brain for, occasionally exited when someoen tries to kill them. But when you talk about it with friends, it sounds like you got the all-action experience you initially signed up for.
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12:48.19HachimanBollocks
12:48.39MonetAwayPenis
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12:49.14HachimanSpeaking of penis
12:49.15HachimanHai
12:50.29OluapPlayerExcuse me
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13:07.39ExternalHello
13:10.40ExternalI started reading Loron events a few days ago, and it takes up my time. I also can't stop thinking
13:10.50ExternalLoron thoughts
13:12.59Charles_Murraydrom : Italy is planning on taking Austria, just a heads-up
13:30.44MonetHi
13:30.51OluapPlayerHi
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13:41.27Wormy_awayHachiman, drom:  Check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5gHFJyMQ6o
13:59.32Wormy_awaytest
14:00.51Wormy_awayThis too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IApUK_eu3Ek
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14:13.19OluapPlayerHi
14:14.15CyrannianHai
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14:21.15CyrannianFeatured articles this month are: Drodo Empire, Thanatyrannus, Final Duel and Khuenaten. Updating the main page now.
14:23.23Vincent20100Dammit, I didn't got to vote -.-
14:25.01Wormy_awayThere was good choices this month
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14:32.53DrodoEmpireHi everyone
14:33.08TechnobliteratorNo First Ottzello Galactic War as featured fiction
14:33.10Technobliterator0/10
14:33.11Technobliteratorhi drodo
14:36.35DrodoEmpireHai
14:37.03Wormy_awayThe Fountain soundtrack is so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8MP3L_nvA&index=9
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14:39.06Wormy_~seen Wormy_away
14:39.09infobotwormy_away is currently on #cyrannus #sporewiki. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2m 6s, last said: 'The Fountain soundtrack is so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x8MP3L_nvA&index=9'.
14:40.16Wormy_Weird film too.  Its about three characters named Thomas, one a Conquistador, one a brain surgeon, and one a space traveller searching for the elixir if youth
14:40.24Wormy_of
15:08.10OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Corruptus_Demon generic page about generic Corruptus info
15:10.29Vincent2010020 minutes and my food problems are gone
15:10.32Vincent20100oups
15:11.10CyrannianInteresting, would the Libertus encountered during Brezank Awakens be among them?
15:11.46OluapPlayerYes
15:12.08OluapPlayerI should add them to the list
15:24.04DrodoEmpiretest
15:32.21dromToday has been awfully hot
15:32.36drom25 degrees indoors and 29 degrees outdoors
15:32.53DrodoEmpireOuch
15:35.08dromThey sent out a yellow warning two days ago that there will be very hot peak numbers fpr yesterday, today and the weekend.
15:35.32dromWe are expecting more hot days and hotter days to follow.
15:36.07dromThey said that the peak for this week will be 30, and probably higher for next week if we don't get rain weather.
15:36.27drombrb taking a shower to cool off and soak that sweat off
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15:39.30JepardiHi
15:39.38DrodoEmpireHello
15:41.32dromback
15:42.18dromSignatures, ngh
15:43.22Technobliteratorhttp://www.hexjam.com/uk/living/13-of-the-most-hilariously-stupid-posts-on-britain-first
15:45.55drombritish extreme nationalism is surely lovely
15:47.21DrodoEmpireOh, dear... Britain First.
15:48.31DrodoEmpireI take issue with the term "Islamophobia" for different reasons. :p
15:51.38DrodoEmpirePlenty to criticize about *all* religions, and Islam is not a race, or a group of people. Its about as silly to say "I hate all muslims!" as to say "I hate all Christians!" because they're both *extremely* diverse groups, of which their faith is only a component. :p
15:51.45DrodoEmpireAnyway rant over
15:54.29TechnobliteratorI agree 100%
15:54.36TechnobliteratorHowever, they are good comedic material, if nothing else
15:56.09DrodoEmpire^
15:56.50Technobliterator"We r the only country that fights against extremely muslims"
15:57.16DrodoEmpirewat
15:57.18OluapPlayerhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/17/Mari%27verao.png/revision/latest?cb=20150703155611 remade skellington
15:57.19MonetSeriously
15:57.35DrodoEmpireThe United States would like a word
15:58.03TechnobliteratorPeople criticize the Republicans all the time, but I think we have it worse
15:58.26Technobliteratormeh, fuck it, I'll just go through 100 files a day
15:59.23Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Zillum - Big updates
15:59.51MonetConservatives agree climate change is a problem, Republicans see it as a lie.
16:00.06OluapPlayerzillie
16:01.40Technobliteratorare those tentacle thingies on Mari meant to look like exoskeleton limbs or cyborg parts :o
16:01.49OluapPlayerCyborg parts
16:01.59Technobliteratorah
16:02.01Technobliteratorthey look sweet
16:02.23CyrannianIndeed, it looks really cool
16:04.39OluapPlayerIt's an undead cyborg, so it has cybernetic tentacles
16:09.43dromHand signatures are so ngh to accomplish
16:09.53dromEvery signature I make looks like a child's drawing
16:12.17DrodoEmpire^
16:12.46DrodoEmpireI'm really shy about my handwriting because its absolutely horrible. :L
16:13.16dromWell the mindset is a common thing among us
16:13.40dromI once told my friend that I really liked his handstyle, but he commented "naaah man, it is terrible and I know it!"
16:14.02DrodoEmpireAhh
16:14.06DrodoEmpireYeah perhaps so
16:14.24dromThe reason behind so is because I'm about to sign my debit card in order to make it vaild for use
16:16.13dromBut the little signature box is so small that I have to pratice writing my hand signature in miniature size, but I never did a proper hand signature than writing it in my common handstyle
16:22.44dromAnd it is no where near like these styles http://biometrics.sabanciuniv.edu/img/samplesigs_bs.jpg
16:27.53dromTwo papers later, I'm satisified with the result
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16:42.22Xhofork
16:56.21Monethi
17:20.28OluapPlayerXho: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CFo21reWAAIFSbx.mp4 woof
17:20.39Xho2cute
17:21.05Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/35/GreatLeviathanDemon.png/revision/latest?cb=20150703172024 In return, have a scary
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17:21.29OluapPlayerDemon - who needs scissors with a hand like thos
17:21.32OluapPlayerthis even
17:22.10OluapPlayerHi dino
17:22.25XhoOriginally it was gonna have legs
17:22.33XhoThen I overcomplicated the top half
17:22.50XhoDark Injection has a limit to creature complexity before the game crashes
17:23.15OluapPlayerDemon - the game cant handle this
17:23.25OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Corruptus_Demon I did a thing
17:23.26XhoIt's quite a huge model as well I think
17:23.36XhoProbably larger than Kamaris' model
17:23.47Xhodeemuns
17:26.15MonetXho: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436070724977160105/E119ED5547D5D5E17BDC429290F07CAB0AFD04D0/
17:26.37dino82_hello all!
17:26.43MonetHello
17:26.50XhoMonet: wat dat
17:27.00MonetMy GTA character
17:27.13XhoOh come on really, I mean I can't even get my GTA V to work
17:27.19dino82_nice page Oluap!
17:27.43MonetXho: Did you verify the game cache via Steam?
17:27.51MonetI had a launching problem at first then I ran that
17:27.53Cyrannianhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11138110_10155597239660195_6716825252663287521_n.jpg?oh=e43ca940cac588e634daaedeee92c0fc&oe=56292043
17:28.04XhoRight well I'll try it again
17:29.31dino82_@cyrannian: poor child :P
17:29.37XhoI would edit the Samut'angar page...but screw it
17:29.42XhoI have to remake like 20 demons
17:29.54OluapPlayerit eint gonna do itself
17:30.31XhoI've redone the...uh
17:30.34XhoSivir
17:31.10XhoLooking at it, screenshots from Spore don't respond to 4K resoultion
17:31.14Xhoresolution*
17:31.22XhoMight as well run it at 1920 x 1080 again
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17:48.22Wormy_hi
17:49.08MonetHi
17:49.35dino82_hellowz
17:51.32CyrannianHai
17:53.35OluapPlayerHi
17:58.11DrodoEmpiretest
17:58.40HachimanWormy_: http://i.imgur.com/3D8VV1F.png?1 Behold, the revised Roburan; the Xantaballite, aka High Men
17:58.54DrodoEmpireHmm
17:59.19DrodoEmpireMethinks I'm going to finally finish up the Drodo portion of my EUIV mod. :p
18:05.36Wormy_Hachi:  Really cool model.  I wouldn't want to insult one
18:06.29Charles_MurraySo I overcompensated for not getting back to External in three weeks: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:Plazith_League
18:07.19XhoCharles_Murray: I have to admit that's a cool layout
18:07.50Charles_MurrayThanks ^.^
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18:29.44DrodoEmpireHello!
18:29.49SovnarkomHello.
18:29.49DrodoEmpireWelcome to the IRC! :D
18:29.53CyrannianHey there
18:29.54SovnarkomYep! :P
18:30.31SovnarkomLot of people in chat, didn't expect that. lol
18:30.33MonetHello
18:30.48SovnarkomHello.
18:30.57DrodoEmpireYeah, its pretty active this time of day
18:31.05SovnarkomThat's cool.
18:31.41SovnarkomActually, along time ago, I would've joined up on the Fiction Universe thing, but I thought it was inactive and dead.
18:31.45SovnarkomLooks like I was wrong.
18:31.48Sovnarkom:p
18:31.55DrodoEmpirelol
18:32.13DrodoEmpireNah its still got some energy in it. XD
18:32.31SovnarkomYea, I see.
18:32.49SovnarkomI got some names for this fictional empire I am making, wish to comment?
18:33.10CyrannianIndeed, go ahead
18:33.32SovnarkomTharsis Federacy, Vothnak Empire, and the Vespidae Dominate
18:33.59DrodoEmpireHmm
18:34.05DrodoEmpireThey all sound pretty good
18:34.12HachimanI like Tharsis Federacy myself
18:34.17CyrannianOoh I like the Vespidae Dominate
18:34.18DrodoEmpire^
18:34.20SovnarkomThe first one would be a confederation of different alien species, the next one would be a very, well, not so nice empire, and the last one, well, think of Giant Asian Hornets, with laser guns... XP
18:34.23HachimanAnd Vespidae Dominate
18:34.37DrodoEmpireYeah the Federacy is certainly one of the more unique ones I've heard
18:34.37SovnarkomThe Vespidae Dominate are essentially anthropomorphic wasps with laser guns.
18:34.41SovnarkomWho conquer the galaxy.
18:34.44SovnarkomLol
18:35.17HachimanI am guessing their primary weakness would be overheating from the body heat of smaller entities swarming them :p
18:35.22SovnarkomXP
18:35.28SovnarkomI suppose so.
18:35.29DrodoEmpirelol
18:35.51MonetHeh
18:35.53CyrannianYou could always make all three, since they sound like very distinct factions.
18:35.58SovnarkomYea.
18:36.54SovnarkomBut I am setting my decision on just one faction, since it is easier to work with.
18:37.01SovnarkomAnd I was thinking the Tharsis Federacy.
18:37.04SovnarkomCause it just sounds cool.
18:37.05SovnarkomLol
18:37.22HachimanYeah, Tharsis Federacy sounds like a good bench to work with
18:37.28CyrannianIndeed
18:37.51HachimanSince it is a confederation of multiple species, you can incorporate multiple ideas to work alongside one another better
18:37.57SovnarkomYep!
18:38.07Sovnarkom:P
18:40.12SovnarkomThe system of government is based like the Iroquois Confederacy.
18:40.53DrodoEmpireOh cool
18:41.08SovnarkomBasically, each planet has its own customs and domestic policy, whilst military, economic, and foreign policy is decided upon elected governors of each said planet.
18:41.23DrodoEmpireOkay, interesting
18:41.37DrodoEmpireSo its somewhat decentralized in that way
18:41.40SovnarkomYea.
18:41.45DrodoEmpireI see
18:42.21SovnarkomI decided that its going to be a relatively small empire, I don't want it to be so, well, grand and overpowered, if you know what I mean. XP
18:43.35DrodoEmpireYeah, makes sense
18:44.06SovnarkomYou're empire is pretty neat.
18:44.08SovnarkomI have to admit.
18:44.53DrodoEmpireMine?
18:44.57DrodoEmpireAww, thanks. :3
18:45.22SovnarkomYea.
18:45.32Sovnarkom:p
18:45.47SovnarkomI do like Cyrannian's as well.
18:46.05SovnarkomEspecially the New Cyrannian Republic, if I said the faction name right.
18:46.11DrodoEmpireYeah Cy's is very well-developed
18:46.18DrodoEmpireBeen around for a *loong* time
18:46.31SovnarkomAnd its still expanding, which is great.
18:46.33Sovnarkom:D
18:46.43CyrannianThanks Sovnarkom! Glad to hear you like them!
18:46.51SovnarkomYep!
18:48.05CyrannianDefinitely looking forward to seeing what you come up with! The Federacy sounds interesting already
18:48.12SovnarkomYea.
18:48.25SovnarkomHopefully I can flesh it out and make it look great.
18:49.02SovnarkomAs a matter of fact, I re-bought Spore for Steam to play it of course, but for this too.
18:49.19SovnarkomBecause Fiction Universe is just a cool concept that I should participate in.
18:49.48SovnarkomIf you are wondering about the re-bought thing, I got Spore in the disc version, but it had a virus, so we had to throw it out.
18:49.57SovnarkomI had so much fun and for years I never played. ;-;
18:50.15CyrannianIt is definitely an ever expanding universe with something for everyone
18:50.35SovnarkomYea.
18:50.46SovnarkomI have a question for you Cyrannian.
18:50.52CyrannianFire away
18:50.57SovnarkomAnd its about the different symbols for your empires.
18:51.00SovnarkomHow do you make them?
18:51.11SovnarkomCause I tried to make one and it turned, well, it wasn't very good.
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18:53.45CyrannianI primarily use this: http://www.getpaint.net/index.html and use it to create flags and emblems, adding effects where necessary
18:53.59SovnarkomAh I see.
18:54.11SovnarkomI just have Paint, not Paint.net.
18:54.13SovnarkomSo I have troubles.
18:54.14SovnarkomLol
18:54.44CyrannianPaint.NET has a lot of extra features and you can download more online made by other users
18:55.02SovnarkomYea :P
18:55.50SovnarkomI'm wondering if any major events will happen in Fiction Universe.
18:55.59DrodoEmpirePlenty are already
18:56.04SovnarkomReally?
18:56.05SovnarkomGreat!
18:56.08Sovnarkom:)
18:56.48DrodoEmpireXonexi schism, is a war currently going on, and really it isn't all that hard to stir up some conflict on your own
18:57.05SovnarkomLol, yea.
18:57.19SovnarkomI was planning to make the Tharsis Federacy based more on cooperation and trade with others than of war.
18:57.25SovnarkomBut if war comes, it will be prepared.
18:57.34DrodoEmpireAhh
18:59.12SovnarkomIt's going to have a professional, volunteer fighting force!
18:59.25SovnarkomDedicated to protecting the planetary systems of the Tharsis Federacy!
18:59.38DrodoEmpireAhh
19:00.00DrodoEmpireConsidering its a volunteer army, I suppose it may be small but well-trained?
19:00.05SovnarkomYea.
19:00.37SovnarkomI'm trying to find your empire, but it is hard.
19:00.54SovnarkomI saw it before, but forgot the name! xD
19:01.20dromDrodo Empire
19:01.37DrodoEmpire^
19:01.37SovnarkomOh...
19:01.39DrodoEmpireDrodo Empire
19:01.41SovnarkomOh even your username said it.
19:01.42DrodoEmpireXD
19:01.45SovnarkomPardon my idiocy.
19:01.46DrodoEmpireNah its fine
19:01.46SovnarkomSorry.
19:01.51dromIt happens
19:01.51DrodoEmpireNo no! Its fine
19:01.54SovnarkomXP
19:03.33dromCharles_Murray Monet: I'm excited about the XS' response to NS' engagement against the DCP once I've finished writing the story and when Wormy_ has finished reviewing it.
19:03.39dromXA*
19:04.19SovnarkomDCP?
19:04.36SovnarkomOh wait, isn't that the...
19:04.46SovnarkomCrap, what was it?
19:04.51SovnarkomDelphos something?
19:04.52Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets by Wormulon
19:04.56SovnarkomOh okay!
19:05.02SovnarkomThat was what I was looking for.
19:05.41SovnarkomI saw that there is alot of conflict with the Delpha Coalition of Planets by other empires.
19:05.44SovnarkomWhy is that the case?
19:05.49SovnarkomDid they do something horrible?
19:05.53DrodoEmpireXonexi Schism
19:05.58dromwell long story
19:06.07SovnarkomOh...
19:06.17DrodoEmpireBasically the culmination of many years of tension between rival powers
19:06.32dromYou better check this, Sovnarkom. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism
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19:07.24SovnarkomChecking it out now.
19:07.43SovnarkomAh, now I see it.
19:07.53OluapPlayerThey're jelly of the DCP's achievements
19:08.04Wormy_Indeed
19:08.09SovnarkomThat is alot of empires angry at the DCP.
19:08.10dromshuddup you neutrality heretic
19:08.12Sovnarkom._.
19:08.48SovnarkomSo angry, that even France is in it.
19:08.51SovnarkomThat says something...
19:08.52Sovnarkomlol
19:09.13DrodoEmpireWell France is quite a major power in the fictionverse now. :p
19:09.30DrodoEmpireOr, was. Its been weakened by this war, as have all of the powers really
19:09.46SovnarkomAh.
19:09.59SovnarkomI really like the roleplaying aspect of this universe.
19:10.09SovnarkomAnd the friendly atmosphere in fact of the people who participate!
19:10.12DrodoEmpireYeah its pretty cool
19:10.14dromThat's the point of this universe.
19:10.55Wormy_Don't be fooled by these revolutionaries.  The DCP is the one to side with.  It will never surrender.  lol.
19:11.09DrodoEmpire:p
19:11.15dromGood show
19:11.17SovnarkomOh god, is this some sort of bribery thing happening?
19:11.18SovnarkomXP
19:11.23dromYeah
19:11.26Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mou%27Cyran_Accords - There's also this faction, which is neutral
19:11.36SovnarkomJoin me! No, join me! No no, join me!
19:11.39SovnarkomLol
19:11.39dromJust wait for Charles_Murray and Monet to try bribe you into their
19:11.58SovnarkomI'll check that out Cyrannian.
19:13.53OfficerJackalOr hey, you can join my club, where it's full of half-complete fictions and nobody has ANY idea what is going on. :3 We have free cocaine, too.
19:14.32OfficerJackalSovnarkom: itslonelyoverhereplz
19:14.53SovnarkomLol
19:15.09SovnarkomThis is actually quite frightening.
19:15.11Sovnarkom._.
19:15.12dromThere are also alternatives... like my makeshift club with my fiction being the only member, but we offer free weed and we gurantee surivial
19:15.45OfficerJackalCOCAINE IS BETTER THEN WEED IT GET'S YOU PUMPED UP AND READY FOR ACTION.
19:15.49Wormy_That's not cocaine.  That's sherbet.
19:15.50OfficerJackalCOME ON STEP IT UP!
19:16.07dromWormy_: Milk Powder
19:16.21SovnarkomOh god...
19:16.24SovnarkomIt's happening!
19:16.41SovnarkomJoin me! No join me! No, no, we have free drugs, join me! Illuminati, so join me!
19:16.44Sovnarkom._.
19:16.48XhoYou can join my club
19:16.53dromOfficerJackal: Calm down before I let the supernovae missiles go after you
19:16.55XhoLots and lots and lots of evil
19:17.04dromXho: and cheese
19:17.05DrodoEmpireebul
19:17.10XhoAnd cheese yes
19:17.14XhoBut 99.9% evil
19:17.22Wormy_You could join the Kraw galaxy.  That is the best choice.
19:17.29HachimanNah, Milky Way
19:17.32dromBut all the cheese belongs to Santrokah anyway
19:17.41HachimanMilky is free and very versatile unlike Kraw which is pretty niche
19:17.48HachimanAnd Kraw is very far from much activity
19:17.56DrodoEmpire^
19:18.01OfficerJackalYeah, join the Kraw galaxy, they have a very niche porn selection.
19:18.04OfficerJackalBut no drugs.
19:18.07OfficerJackalUnfortunately.
19:18.11Wormy_Asgord porn
19:18.16dromhur
19:18.36dromAndromeda is also free IIRC
19:18.44CyrannianLots of aggressive petting
19:18.58SovnarkomThat's alot of empires within the Mou'Cyran Accords.
19:19.10SovnarkomIs it sort of like, the UN of the First Gigaquadrant?
19:19.12dromCyrannus is a place full of lies
19:19.18SovnarkomIf that is a fair comparison.
19:19.23OfficerJackalNo, Cyrannus has adderall. Cocaine is better.
19:19.33Cyranniandrom: excuse you bich
19:19.42dromCyrannian: fite me
19:19.59CyrannianSovnarkom: I suppose it is similar to the UN in some ways, less ineffective of course
19:20.21SovnarkomI have one question though...
19:20.42dromCyrannian: Also a flock of sittin' ducks
19:20.46SovnarkomWhy does one of the empires within that alliance, have weed as their symbol?
19:20.48drom:^)
19:20.51SovnarkomI'm not against it, just interesting.
19:20.53SovnarkomWeedlings.
19:20.54SovnarkomXP
19:21.07CyrannianThe Waptoria are very much in tune with nature
19:21.20OfficerJackalSovnarkom: That would be the empire of Dank Memes and Kush.
19:21.24Wormy_The Waptoria are sentient weed
19:21.29OfficerJackalorthewaptoriaifyouwanttocallthemthat.
19:21.30SovnarkomOh okay.
19:22.17HachimanStop the meming business Jackal, it's not funny anymore
19:22.49OfficerJackalI'm not sure if you are joking or if you are serious. :/
19:23.12dromOfficerJackal: Unfortunately he's serious on this kind of matter
19:24.06dromIt is however funny to me, it depends on the context and extent though.
19:24.49HachimanRandomly doing it when somebody is looking for genuine help is bothersome
19:25.15dromSovnarkom: If you need any more help, feel free to ask us more!
19:25.19OfficerJackalJust trying to be fun here, don't need to get all serious here. I could easily say the same thing for your humor, but I don't.
19:25.22SovnarkomOkay.
19:26.05OfficerJackalAlthough now that I think about it, I usually don't say much on here. :/
19:26.16SovnarkomSo how do I participate in these sort of events?
19:26.18HachimanThen say it if you have a problem but do not try to deliberately misguide a newer user when they are looking for assistance
19:26.25XhoXhodocto pls
19:26.34OluapPlayer~dropkick Xho
19:26.34infobotACTION sends Xho flying like a yipping chihuahua
19:26.37dromSovnarkom: Feel free to ask people
19:27.06OfficerJackalHachiman: I'm obviously not being serious here, only fooling about, I don't think Sovnarkom would actually consider what I'm saying to be the truth about things around here. Like come on.
19:27.08dromWe usually get in touch of coordinators and other people to dicuss about the idea.
19:27.10Wormy_Sovarkom:  Once you have a fiction and creature page, a good place to start is by messaging empires on their talk pages or the Universe Discussion Board
19:27.21Wormy_Active empires
19:27.26dromOr what Wormy_ said.
19:27.41SovnarkomSeems simple enough.
19:27.42DrodoEmpireOfficerJackal Hachiman I'd recommend moving this to a different channel.
19:27.51drom^ honk
19:27.53XhoOluapPlayer: xhodocto pls
19:28.14OluapPlayerget non-canon'd
19:28.41Xhou alredi got non-canon'd
19:28.46Wormy_Generally its better to join other active collab fiction first, rather than make your own.  Unless one iis lucky that their ideas bounce off another user.
19:29.11Wormy_I mean stories in this case
19:29.22Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Nerazachi - New/old Trucinex character rescued from the annals of my old fiction
19:29.36OluapPlayerAll thanks to me
19:30.52OluapPlayerAlso his top quote foreshadows a future Borealis-related story
19:31.28XhoKithworto - STOP WARRING WITH EACH OTHER             STUPID MORTALS
19:32.28HachimanOh boy, PCA vs GEC
19:32.29OluapPlayerXeron - ok how bout u go sit on anteddy's lap if u like him so much
19:32.38HachimanThis is gonna be exciting
19:32.43CyrannianIt's a super secret shhh war
19:33.24SovnarkomPCA?
19:33.26SovnarkomGEC?
19:33.33MonetItsn ot very secret anymore.
19:33.36XhoKithworto - go to shard bug boy
19:33.43OluapPlayerPolar Crystal Alliance and Galactic Empire of Cyrannus
19:33.47SovnarkomAh.
19:33.48dromOluapPlayer Xho: Apparently, the new update has encouraged everyone to use the new Metal Gear Snake's diguise taunt
19:33.59dromBoxes, everywhere
19:34.12OluapPlayerIt's like I'm at Facepunch
19:34.19dromhur
19:34.32OluapPlayerI don't really play TF2 anymore so I don't really carfe
19:34.33OluapPlayercare
19:34.59dromAlright
19:35.31SovnarkomSince my empire, the Tharsis Federacy, is going to be rather small, how many planets should I acquire?
19:35.38SovnarkomI was thinking like, 32.
19:35.42SovnarkomCause it just sounds nice.
19:35.44XhoI dunno whether Kithworto would approve of the war but then again it's his political duty to care
19:35.45SovnarkomBut I dunno really.
19:35.49dromThat's really tiny, but that's up to you.
19:35.57HachimanYou want at least a couple of hundred systems
19:36.07DrodoEmpire^
19:36.07SovnarkomI see.
19:36.10XhoWe do have a 20 million system limit
19:36.14HachimanT4/T3 empire usually have around several hundred
19:36.25OfficerJackalSovnarkom: Having an empire that small will severely limit your potential effect in the Sporewiki Fictionverse. I'd reccomend somewhere between 500 - 5,000 systems if you want a small empire.
19:36.30XhoThough there's perhaps only two fictions with around 20 million systems that I know of
19:36.45SovnarkomAh, I see.
19:36.58SovnarkomI have a tendency sometimes, when making nations, to have them very underpowered.
19:37.04SovnarkomWhen I didn't mean it to be.
19:37.12HachimanAlso, just because you are a new user writing new fiction, does not mean to the fiction itself chronologically has to be new
19:37.29SovnarkomI see.
19:37.29OfficerJackalYeah, it could have been around for thousands of years in it's own history.
19:37.31HachimanIt could have been spacefaring from like a couple of decades to around a thousand or so years
19:37.33OluapPlayerI'll spoil about the plot a bit for clarification sake
19:37.36OluapPlayerIt's not a conventional war
19:37.40HachimanOoh?
19:37.49dromXho: Dominion?
19:37.54XhoAngazhar - u talkin about a cold war there                                                            angazhar does not like cold wars
19:38.08HachimanSo the PCA - GEC war is gonna be more underground / black op?
19:38.13Wormy_Sovnarkom:  My tier scale may help you http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:192744
19:38.16OluapPlayerYes
19:38.19XhoDrom: The Dominion actually has more than 20 million but then again it's shared
19:38.32XhoKilchárunya - stabby times pls
19:38.45Wormy_you can skip most of the info
19:38.48CyrannianIt also sets up some nastiness between the Empire and the New Republic
19:39.01Wormy_thats for older users of the scale
19:39.23CyrannianWhich was first hinted at when Imperial Intelligence attempted to disrupt the meeting between the NCR, the Rambo and the Indocs
19:39.33SovnarkomI said this before, but this would be scary, a large, expansive empire, in the most uninhabited parts of space, which is made up of wasp-like creatures, similar to that of Asian Giant Hornets.
19:39.38SovnarkomThat would be friggin' terrifying.
19:39.40OluapPlayerIndoc - u mesed up big time
19:39.44OluapPlayermessed*
19:39.46SovnarkomAnd they have one purpose, conquer.
19:40.06OluapPlayerThe fact they're hornets is terrifying by itself
19:40.24XhoKrath - welcom 2 dominion
19:40.26Cyrannianaye
19:40.27SovnarkomAnd they go around to different planets, conquering and taking anything of use.
19:40.38SovnarkomAnyone who isn't one of them, undergoes mass extinction.
19:40.44OfficerJackal*tfw your head get's eaten by a giant wasp.
19:40.47Xholikes this fiction
19:41.11SovnarkomWhatcha mean Xho?
19:41.13SovnarkomYou like the idea?
19:41.22OluapPlayerXho likes anything that involves destruction
19:41.23XhoI'm pretty well versed in genocide
19:41.28Wormy_Sovnar:  While we don't have sentient hornets, we do have Mantisorac who are very similar to that concept of expansion.
19:41.36SovnarkomAh.
19:41.44dromXho: You sound like a Serbian hur
19:41.52XhoAH NU CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
19:42.03XhoI know that's Russian
19:42.08XhoBut screw you brah
19:42.10SovnarkomThe Vespidae Dominate will conquer all with our stings and our annoying buzzing!
19:42.13dromniet, ukrainian
19:42.18SovnarkomBow down to your new Hornet overlords!
19:42.23SovnarkomMwuahahaha
19:42.25XhoUkranian*
19:42.32CyrannianI for welcome our new insect overlords
19:42.33OfficerJackalSovnarkom: That seems like a pretty cool idea, although I'd make the fiction more interactive then just wanting to conquer and destroy other empires, like perhaps there is a chance for negotion with them, like becoming a puppet state or something.
19:42.34Wormy_Xho:  Here is a genocide http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADCP-Vermulan_War/Trials_of_Kilnok
19:42.35Cyrannian*one
19:42.52SovnarkomI agree Jackal, a little more openess.
19:42.52OfficerJackalnegotiation*
19:43.15SovnarkomHowever, there aren't any wing parts for the creature creator thing.
19:43.24SovnarkomWhich kinda is a problem, when making anthropomorphic wasps.
19:43.26SovnarkomLol
19:43.46OfficerJackalWait, there is though, isn't there? Or are you saying you don't like the animated wings you can put on them?
19:43.47dromWormy_ Xho: I also have a genocide like story written in the NS history, but it is worded weakly so blah
19:43.53XhoWormy_: Santorakh - whoops i kicked a star
19:43.58SovnarkomWait, there is?
19:44.01OfficerJackalYeah.
19:44.05SovnarkomIt's been a long time since I played Spore, so I am not sure.
19:44.15XhoThere are wing parts
19:44.23SovnarkomOh okay.
19:44.26dromThere are.
19:44.46dromTry using Dark Injection, it does implement even more items, among of them are wings
19:45.00SovnarkomThen looks like I have to make the cooperative Tharsis Federacy, and the slave-driving, craziness of the Vespidae Dominate.
19:46.04OfficerJackalThat sounds like a good set of fictions. :D
19:46.08Xhodemons pls
19:46.24SovnarkomYea, the Vespidae Dominate, or the Wasp Kingdom or whatever, is actually inspired by my own fear of them.
19:46.25SovnarkomLol
19:46.31dromXho: Demons are overrated
19:46.35XhoNOOOOOOOOOOOH
19:46.49dromImproper use of Nu
19:46.58Xhour an improper use
19:47.05OfficerJackalI find wasps actually pretty cool, amazing predators that are also useful in quelling numerous pest species of insects, too bad you can't really own them as pets. :(
19:47.15Wormy_you are both improper
19:47.23dromXho: u hurt my feelings
19:47.33Xhoyh
19:47.44dromm8
19:47.55Wormy_Jackal:  There's was a man who kept a bee on a string leash
19:48.05XhoI think I might make a Xhodocto construct for shits and gigs
19:48.16dromWormy_: That's the most aborable thing I've ever read on the internet
19:48.18OfficerJackalBecause if I could own a giant wasp as a pet, and it wouldn't kill me, I'd get it in an instant. Have a swaggin' guard doge.
19:48.26Wormy_indeed
19:50.11dromWormy_ ETS2MPJackal: Arr http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2722852/Man-tames-killer-Japanese-hornet-keeps-bit-string-goes.html
19:50.57SovnarkomIf Hornets and Wasps didn't attack the innocent, rather the criminal, I would get them as well.
19:51.05ETS2MPJackaldrom: awww yisss
19:51.43CyrannianThat picture made me NOPE
19:52.02Wormy_I want to believe.
19:53.05OluapPlayerI'ts not tamed, it's just waiting for the opportunity to strike
19:53.14dromETS2MPJackal Wormy_ Sovnarkom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NV3EK4YsP8
19:53.50ETS2MPJackalCyrannian: Fun Fact: Some people actually like to have wasps sting them in the private parts for sexual pleasure.
19:53.50ETS2MPJackalLike, sticking their thing in a jar full of them. .-.
19:53.50DrodoEmpireoh what
19:53.50DrodoEmpirewhat
19:54.00Wormy_that is just
19:54.19SovnarkomOh...
19:54.20SovnarkomMy...
19:54.21SovnarkomGod...
19:54.24dromETS2MPJackal: Reminds me of the Canadian show where one of the park rangers stuff his junk into a bee hive to give his pet bear pleasure
19:54.26SovnarkomThis thing actually exists in nature?
19:54.28SovnarkomWtf.
19:54.33SovnarkomA Mantiwasp?
19:54.37Wormy_mimicry is pretty cool
19:54.37SovnarkomOh...
19:54.40SovnarkomMantidfly.
19:54.52dromOnly to be hoptialized and walk out with a "30cm wide junk"
19:55.04ETS2MPJackalhehehehehhehe ayyy
19:55.34Sovnarkomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmgJAGpHOek
19:55.45SovnarkomIts eyes bother me.
19:55.48Sovnarkom.-.
19:55.48dromETS2MPJackal: This show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brickleberry
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19:56.22JepardiHi
19:56.26DrodoEmpireHey
19:56.30SovnarkomHello.
20:00.33SovnarkomKinda of a strange username I picked
20:00.35SovnarkomLol
20:05.26dromSovnarkom: Since I'm ethincally a Swede and have Swedish as my mother tongue, your username is funny to me. Since your name has two Swedish words. "sov" and "narkom" (informal form of "narkoman", translating "sleep" and "addict".
20:05.46SovnarkomOH.
20:05.47dromYou are basically a "sleep addict" in my language.
20:05.49SovnarkomI didn't know that.
20:05.52SovnarkomInteresting.
20:05.53SovnarkomxP
20:06.51SovnarkomActually, I got the name from the institution that the Bolsheviks created after the October Revolution of 1917.
20:06.55SovnarkomI don't know why, I just needed a name.
20:06.58Sovnarkomlol
20:09.00SovnarkomZhivago would've been my username, if it wasn't taken.
20:09.12Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Borealis_Rebellion - Coming later tonight
20:10.29SovnarkomThis looks interesting.
20:10.38SovnarkomBut wait, didn't someone say that Borealis was inactive?
20:10.44SovnarkomIn the forum post I made.
20:11.09CyrannianThat must have been a mistake
20:11.20OluapPlayerIt was inactive until about 2 months ago
20:11.28Wormy_drom:  Google thinks this is the parasitic hair worm http://hairstylesbymommy.com/wp-content/gallery/worms/b-6.jpg
20:12.10OluapPlayerHachiman: ^
20:12.13dromWormy_: Not so long ago, Google's automatic system has tagged black people as "gorillas"
20:12.24Wormy_I saw, on the news
20:12.56dromI loved how the public official statement started with "Holy shit"
20:12.58dromVery honest I say
20:13.44HachimanI am anticipating this Borealis Rebellion, I reckon it's gonna be a good fic
20:14.15HachimanEspecially if the Cognatus are involved
20:15.20SovnarkomI agree.
20:15.37SovnarkomI think it has alot of potential.
20:17.57SovnarkomHow do you take those pictures?
20:18.01SovnarkomOf those space battles and stuff?
20:19.33CyrannianI use the freecam cheat and the adventure creator in the Galactic Adventures expansion
20:19.51SovnarkomOh okay.
20:19.53SovnarkomOh.
20:19.57SovnarkomFreecam cheat?
20:20.01SovnarkomSo that is in the game?
20:20.06SovnarkomI don't need some special program or anything?
20:20.17OluapPlayeryes that's in-game
20:20.20SovnarkomOkay.
20:20.22SovnarkomThat's great.
20:21.01MonetThe models are ingame but the rest is added in another program
20:21.13SovnarkomWhat do you mean?
20:21.23SovnarkomAnd what other program is this?
20:21.45MonetEither GIMP or Paint.net
20:21.54SovnarkomAh.
20:21.55SovnarkomOkay.
20:21.59MonetThe starfield and the fiery logo were made there
20:22.01SovnarkomI need to get Paint.net
20:22.03SovnarkomLol
20:26.59Wormy_Clearest pictures of Pluto and Charon yet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33369045
20:29.55*** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.11)
20:33.10SovnarkomAnyone have ideas on what to call the military forces for the Tharsis Federacy?
20:34.04HachimanHm
20:34.22SovnarkomMaybe the Planetary Defense Force?
20:34.28SovnarkomOr the Systems Defense Force?
20:34.41DrodoEmpireTharsis Armed Forces?
20:35.07HachimanFederate Terrestrial Outfit?
20:35.20SovnarkomHm...
20:35.31SovnarkomWhat would be the demonym for Federacy.
20:35.33SovnarkomA Federate?
20:35.35SovnarkomA Federative?
20:35.46HachimanHm
20:35.59HachimanI would be more inclined towards Federative
20:36.05DrodoEmpireFederate.
20:36.12HachimanAlright, Federate hur
20:36.23SovnarkomDon't really want to have Tharsis in the armed forces name.
20:36.29DrodoEmpireIf the demonym for "Confederacy" is "Confederate", then it makes sense.
20:36.30DrodoEmpireAh
20:36.31SovnarkomSomething that sounds utilitarian.
20:37.46XhoHachiman: https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/1466964259993295
20:37.54DrodoEmpireAh...
20:38.17DrodoEmpireNot so good with utilitarian names. Better with more formal and extravagant ones. :p
20:38.30Hachimanolol
20:38.49SovnarkomLol
20:39.36XhoWasn't enough hijacking a motorbike
20:39.38XhoIt had to fly
20:40.10SovnarkomHm...
20:40.50SovnarkomWell first, are the territories within these empires divided into systems.
20:40.52HachimanFederate Armed Forces is pretty utilitarian
20:41.02SovnarkomIf so, I would call it the Systems Defense Force.
20:41.36SovnarkomIf it is divided via planets, then I would call it the Planetary Defense Forces.
20:42.00HachimanCould divide by sectors of systems
20:42.06HachimanSector Defense Force
20:42.15SovnarkomThat's true.
20:42.35SovnarkomI'm really digging in though with Systems Defense Force or Planetary Defense Forces.
20:42.37SovnarkomHm...
20:42.56HachimanSysDef Force sounds better than PlaDef Force
20:43.34HachimanYeah I would be more inclined towards Systems Defence Force
20:43.49Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Borealis_Rebellion#Chapter_One:_.22Thus_It_Begins....22 - First chapter is up
20:44.13SovnarkomI was thinking more of an acronym.
20:44.16SovnarkomLike SDF or PDF.
20:44.33HachimanSDF is better overall
20:44.36CyrannianPDF would be a fun acronym
20:44.39Hachimanrite lemme reed dis
20:45.08HachimanYes but PDF could be used for permanent colonial troops on planets rather than ones deployed across systems and territories
20:46.02ETS2MPJackalUnited Defence Forces of the Thesaris Federation? Puts emphasis on the decentralized nature of the federation, yet sounds official and recognizes the defense forces as under the banner of the federation. Just my idea, though. XD
20:46.43XhoPDF
20:46.50XhoThey're all readable
20:46.55SovnarkomGod damnit Xho.
20:46.55Sovnarkomlol
20:47.29MonetPDF is somewhat generic. Then again a lot of real-world armies don't have comittees on cool sounding names
20:48.06ETS2MPJackalYeah, so is SDF, you want something which makes it clear it is part of the Federation, not just a generic sounding name.
20:48.17ImperiosSovnarkom: They're both wrong
20:48.19ETS2MPJackalFor example, the United States Marines are called... Well... That, not just "Marines".
20:48.25ImperiosIt's either Federal, or Federated
20:48.47HachimanXeron is hiring mercenaries to do dirty work for him
20:49.04ImperiosAlso that name
20:49.21ImperiosSovnarkom: Your nickname makes me happy
20:49.44HachimanThis is already an intense fiction considering my fondness towards mercenaries, although I would have thought that the PCA would have its own stealth agents to accomplish tasks such as assassination
20:50.06OluapPlayerBetter get a bunch of criminal nobodies in trouble than yourself
20:50.27SovnarkomWant I want is a utilitarian name for the armed forces of the Tharsis Federacy.
20:50.55SovnarkomBut I wish to know, are territories within empires divided into planets or systems of planets?
20:51.11SovnarkomIf it is the former, then it is Planetary Defense Forces, if it is the later, Systems Defense Force.
20:51.11ImperiosHachiman: I think it's to maintain plausible deniability for the PCA
20:51.18HachimanThey can be divided in anyway the empire seems fit
20:51.37HachimanThere is no real uniform layout to how empires divide their forces
20:51.55ETS2MPJackalSovnarkom: Well, the most common option is that empires are divided into provinces or regions of numerous systems, which contains their own planets. However, it is up to you on what configuration you want.
20:51.59OluapPlayerImp got it right
20:52.12OluapPlayerYou'd never suspect the PCA to be involved with mercenaries
20:52.17HachimanI suppose that is fair enough
20:52.21OluapPlayerSame for the New Republic
20:52.41HachimanIf word got out that Xeron, or anybody on the Council, was involved though I imagine it would spell bad news hur
20:52.42ImperiosLike how we don't go full 'MUHRICA into Donbass because this way we'd lose deniability
20:52.48HachimanBoth within and outside of the PCA
20:52.54ImperiosMilitary help we can brush off as volunteers
20:53.08OluapPlayerHe stated the other Councillors were not aware of this meeting
20:53.15OluapPlayerSo yes it would bring bad tidings
20:53.32ImperiosBut we can't go full 'Muhrica because 'Muhrica is a dominant superpower and we are not
20:53.36ImperiosI think it's the same with the PCA
20:54.11OluapPlayerCorrect
20:54.33OluapPlayerThe CyraEmp is much stronger than the PCA meaning they can't go guns blazing at them, as much as they want to
20:54.48ImperiosSovnarkom: So you want something bland right?
20:56.20ImperiosNational Armed Forces?
20:56.28SovnarkomYea.
20:56.29ImperiosFederal National Armed Forces even
20:56.32SovnarkomSomething utilitarian.
20:56.51CyrannianEven Apaltar isn't aware of the full parameters of this mission
20:56.51SovnarkomI was thinking, maybe the local reserve forces on each planet could be called the Planetary Defense Forces.
20:56.57SovnarkomAnd then the main army, something else.
20:57.04OluapPlayerApaltar - my hat is not pleased
20:57.26ImperiosPerhaps every subject of the federation has its own army and each has its own name
20:57.37ImperiosTogether, they could be called Regional Defense Forces or something
20:57.38CyrannianOh his hat's fully aware of it, just not Apaltar himself
20:57.45ImperiosFNAF or RDF/PDF
20:58.06SovnarkomHm...
20:58.23OluapPlayerApaltar's hat, the true president
20:58.54SovnarkomThe basic formula is this, the military is divided into two branches, the Army and the Navy, controlled by the central government, and then each local, planetary government controls their own defense force.
20:59.19SovnarkomBut these local defense forces would be loyal to the government of course.
21:00.16*** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (56846faa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.132.111.170)
21:00.43OluapPlayerApaltar - https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/8e/Soldier_item_birdhead_domination03.wav?t=20131030070800
21:01.02SovnarkomBasically... Military -> Army and Navy = Controlled by Central Government / Local Defense Forces = Controlled by Planetary Governors = Loyal to Central Government
21:01.03Cyrannianlol
21:01.05SovnarkomIf that makes sense.
21:01.18CyrannianThis fiction is shaping up very nicely Sovnarkom!
21:01.31ImperiosSovnarkom: BTW are you a new user or just Vincent under a new name
21:01.38Imperios...oh wait Vincent is here so you're not
21:01.41SovnarkomWho's vincent?
21:01.50ImperiosHe's the local Commie
21:01.50SovnarkomI'm actually a new user.
21:01.53ImperiosOh right
21:01.53SovnarkomLol
21:01.57ImperiosWhere are you from BTW
21:01.58SovnarkomI'm a Commie too so.
21:02.00SovnarkomDon't worry.
21:02.06ImperiosGot that from your name
21:02.06SovnarkomLet the Bolshevism flow through your veins.
21:02.08Sovnarkom;)
21:02.25SovnarkomI would've used a different name, like Zhivago, but it was taken.
21:02.35ImperiosSo where are you from?
21:02.39SovnarkomSo I just went with Sovnarkom, not for its political connotation, just because I needed a name.
21:02.40SovnarkomLol
21:02.46SovnarkomI don't really want to say where I live.
21:02.53ImperiosJust the country
21:03.00SovnarkomOh okay.
21:03.11SovnarkomI live in the land of guns, conspiracy nuts, and terrible foreign policy...
21:03.13ImperiosSomething tells me we are compatriots
21:03.15SovnarkomThe US OF FUCKING A
21:03.16SovnarkomOH YEA
21:03.18ETS2MPJackalunholsters his officer's pistol from it's holster, and point's it at Sovnarkom, saying "Say where you come from, comra-"
21:03.19SovnarkomLol...
21:03.23ETS2MPJackalMURICA
21:03.25ETS2MPJackalFUCK YEAH!
21:03.27ImperiosLand of guns and terrible foreign policy
21:03.33ImperiosAnd conspiracy nuts
21:03.38HachimanOh great, another American
21:03.43ETS2MPJackal?
21:03.48Imperios...Well technically that fits my country too but yeah right
21:03.48OluapPlayer[18:03] <Imperios> Something tells me we are compatriots
21:04.00OluapPlayerFunny because Imp is Russian
21:04.07SovnarkomI actually moved to the United States recently.
21:04.08ImperiosNot just Russian
21:04.10ImperiosNORTH KOREAN RUSSIAN
21:04.12SovnarkomSo it isn't my country of origin.
21:04.17OluapPlayerfuk dat you're only one thing
21:04.20HachimanDouble Commie
21:04.31SovnarkomCOMMYUNIZUM
21:04.35ImperiosGLORIOUS  RED FIRE OF COMMUNISM FLOWS THROUGH MY VEINS
21:04.43SovnarkomGLORY TO THE PARTY
21:04.44*** join/#sporewiki Wormy__ (4e956231@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.149.98.49)
21:04.54Wormy__hi
21:04.54Imperios...But I am actually a very mild Nordic-model leftist
21:04.54Cyrannianspanks Wormy__
21:05.02ImperiosAnd don't mind Hachiman
21:05.15ImperiosHe just wants you to pay taxes for tea again like the silly Brit he is
21:05.32CyrannianI'm terribly disappointed that the only Russian here isn't a communist
21:05.54ImperiosWell I am a socialist
21:06.04Wormy__Anarchist communism FTW
21:06.13OluapPlayerIt's not "tea", it's "sippity soopity on the little cuppity"
21:06.15ETS2MPJackalI don't have a solid political opinion, whatever works for the current situation. If we need a liberal, I will vote for a liberal, and if we need a conservative, I will vote for conservative. And if we need a centrist or anyone else for the current moment, I will vote for him! :D
21:06.15SovnarkomYou are an Anarcho-Communist?
21:06.17SovnarkomHoly shit.
21:06.20ETS2MPJackalParty hoppers for the win!
21:06.20ImperiosNot me
21:06.20SovnarkomI used to be one actually.
21:06.24SovnarkomBut now I am a Trotskyist.
21:06.29ImperiosSocial Democracy :7
21:06.38Sovnarkominb4 a stalinist is in the chat.
21:06.40ImperiosI think that what the USSR did wasn't the right way, though it had its merits
21:06.59ImperiosStrangely enough Stalinists aren't necessarily Communists
21:07.01SovnarkomI feel the USSR was doomed due to the Civil War that occured after the Revolution.
21:07.03SovnarkomI twas so bad.
21:07.08Wormy__I'm actually a border between greenns and social democracy
21:07.21SovnarkomThe Civil War was so bad that, it lead to the degeneration of Soviet democracy in the, what was known as the, RSFSR.
21:07.23Wormy__But I knowsome anarchist communists
21:07.23SovnarkomSo yea.
21:07.25SovnarkomIt sucks.
21:07.26Sovnarkom;-;
21:07.33ImperiosMany Russians support Stalin purely because of his military and industrial efforts
21:07.33CyrannianI'm a good old fashioned social liberal
21:07.39ImperiosNot me though
21:07.42ImperiosDon't like him
21:07.47ImperiosPutin is okay though
21:07.51ImperiosSo-so, dare I say
21:08.01ETS2MPJackalUSSR would have survived if 1. It was more democratic earlier and 2. It had started lighting it's policies on private ownership sooner. I feel like the 70's could have been a good chance to implement those things, but it didn't go that way obviously. :/
21:08.02SovnarkomI am actually glad that this hasn't devolved into some political flamewar. Because it happens constantly on other places.
21:08.10OluapPlayerImp is not allowed to badmouth the God-Emperor of Mankind inside his borders
21:08.21ImperiosDemocratic, maybe not
21:08.25Wormy__We just take the piss out of everything here lol
21:08.32ImperiosTrue democracy takes a LOT of time and it is very hard to create
21:08.33HachimanNot sure what I am really
21:08.38OluapPlayerYes, we hate everyone equally here
21:08.50SovnarkomActually, Lenin and the Bolsheviks created what was called a Soviet Republic, Soviet meaning Council in Russian, which was based on democratic workers' councils.
21:08.56ImperiosYa
21:08.59ImperiosRSFSR
21:09.05SovnarkomThe Soviet government had parties like the Mensheviks and Right SRs and Left SRs.
21:09.11HachimanAnything but an imperialist I suppose and I am anti-monarchy hur
21:09.12SovnarkomThe thing was, the Mensheviks and Right SRs left the government.
21:09.21SovnarkomThe Left SRs stayed.
21:09.22ETS2MPJackalYeah, would have had to be done very gradually if the USSR were to go down that route, but instead after the USSR fell Yeltsin decided to BAM CAPITALISM 100% and... >.<
21:09.39ImperiosWhat we should have done is to loosen up the society while maintaining the strong control over the country
21:09.47Cyrannianhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10955803_10155189398355195_2486189020062750316_n.jpg?oh=edef8024e81ed734aa35d7654d75b404&oe=5614E1CC
21:09.47ImperiosLike IMO Russians aren't very good at democracy
21:10.24OluapPlayerRussians are only good at enduring the cold and wrestling bears
21:10.24SovnarkomI think Lenin was a, what I call, "an individual of bad circumstances".
21:10.42SovnarkomBasically, he was running a brutalized Russia, plagued with disease, famine, and fatigue from WWI.
21:10.50CyrannianWormy__: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11694817_10155845740825195_3684217112158871303_n.jpg?oh=dbf9b496b05e62d1f3d4fa175e49aea6&oe=56167239
21:10.55SovnarkomAnd he was desperate when the White Armies came and attacked.
21:10.58ImperiosOluapPlayer: And making overwrought depressive novels
21:11.21Wormy__Oh, I thought it was aliens
21:11.29ImperiosI wouldn't say Lenin was THAT bad but he was definitely a very brutal and merciless man, albeit talented and visionary, and not without a moral compass
21:11.51ImperiosI usually put him in the same basket as Prophet Muhammad and Charlemagne
21:12.10SovnarkomThat is what I meant when I said, "an individual of bad circumstances".
21:12.10ImperiosAnd I am kinda fond of prophet Muhammad so it's a compliment
21:12.18SovnarkomI don't deny Lenin had to do some bad things.
21:12.27SovnarkomBut if we look at the situation, it was pretty bad.
21:12.45Imperioshttp://pix.echtlustig.com/1405/versteckte-botschaften--gemeinsam-erfolgreich-in-europa.jpg
21:12.50ImperiosYa
21:12.53SovnarkomI mean, if you applied the conditions of the Civil War in Russia with the United States, the Americans would've done similarly what the Russians did.
21:12.59SovnarkomIt was that brutal.
21:12.59HachimanALLAH ACKBAR
21:12.59ImperiosYa
21:13.06ImperiosHachiman is right
21:13.07SovnarkomAnd it ended Soviet democracy in Russia by its end.
21:13.14ImperiosGod is kinda great
21:13.19SovnarkomWhich led to the Party Bureaucracy.
21:13.27SovnarkomBut Soviet history and politics aside.
21:13.30SovnarkomI need to work on my empire.
21:13.31SovnarkomXP
21:13.31ImperiosThe bureaucracy is what brought down our society in the end
21:13.36ImperiosOssification of the regime
21:13.46SovnarkomI don't even have a page dedicated to it yet.
21:13.46Sovnarkom:l
21:13.50OluapPlayerTalking about politics in the IRC leads to you never getting fiction done
21:13.54OluapPlayerImp is the best example of this
21:14.38SovnarkomHas there ever been hostilities between the Galactic Empire of Cyrannus and the New Cyrannian Republic? If so, it would probably be devastating.
21:14.51SovnarkomConsidering it might lead to war in the Cyrannus galaxy.
21:14.57Sovnarkom._.
21:15.06HachimanXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
21:15.06OluapPlayerA big point of the New Cyrandia Wars is the cold war between the two of them
21:15.45OluapPlayerBut right now the Galactic Empire already has two major enemies to deal with, the Cyrannian Imperial State and the Cognatus Empire
21:15.48CyrannianSovnarkom: Not yet! But who knows what the future will hold...              Well apart from me, I know what the future holds, and it makes me tingly
21:16.00SovnarkomLol
21:16.09SovnarkomThe Cyrannian Imperial State?
21:16.12SovnarkomOkay wait..
21:16.13XhoHachiman:
21:16.23OluapPlayerState = rebels from the Empire
21:16.28OluapPlayerCognatus = religious zealots
21:16.31SovnarkomSo there is the Galactic Empire of Cyrannus, the New Cyrannian Republic, and the Cyrannian Imperial State?
21:16.39OluapPlayerYes
21:16.45SovnarkomI feel that the CIS is like a puppet state for the GEC.
21:16.46SovnarkomLol
21:16.51SovnarkomBut yea, I got to get my fiction set up.
21:16.53ImperiosKinda like there is both the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China
21:16.58SovnarkomAh.
21:17.01SovnarkomI see.
21:17.01OluapPlayerIt isn't, they're the main factions of the war
21:17.04ImperiosAnd the Republic of Korea and the People's Democratic Republic of Korea
21:17.10SovnarkomSo where do I go to set up my fiction page?
21:17.17SovnarkomParticularly, my own empire that is.
21:17.23OluapPlayerYou just make a page for it
21:17.27CyrannianSovnarkom: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannus_Galaxy#Civilisations Here's a list of some factions in Cyrannus
21:17.44SovnarkomAh.
21:17.46OluapPlayerThere's a tool in the wiki's main page which you can use to create empire pages from scratch
21:17.51SovnarkomCyrannian, you really are great at this.
21:17.53SovnarkomI got to admit.
21:17.58ImperiosCIS makes crazy threats while NCR makes shitty pop music
21:17.58SovnarkomBut also others too!
21:18.03SovnarkomNot to forget.
21:18.08OluapPlayerNeraida Gigamatrix da best
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21:18.48HachimanEugh
21:18.56SovnarkomSo where can I find the place to make my fiction page?
21:19.03SovnarkomCause I am having problems finding it.
21:19.10OluapPlayerAt the main page
21:19.24CyrannianSovnarkom: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Create_a_page
21:19.31ImperiosHachiman: http://img.ifcdn.com/images/387319326b96fcfeae19b0a7671a8c2d2aacae91218ad660e86a764449bac91b_1.jpg Truth
21:19.48SovnarkomThanks.
21:19.48CyrannianEnter the name of the name into the space beside "create fictional empire"
21:19.55Cyrannian*faction
21:20.01SovnarkomI don't have my alien creatures made yet, cause the computer I am using now doesn't have spore.
21:20.06SovnarkomBut I will make them soon.
21:20.17HachimanImperios: speek 4 urself
21:20.45SovnarkomDo I put a space so that the words don't touch the : symbol?
21:20.48SovnarkomOr do I keep the close?
21:20.53HachimanKeep close
21:20.56SovnarkomOkay.
21:21.03SovnarkomI don't want to screw it up so..
21:21.05Sovnarkomxp
21:21.12HachimanAlso, despite there being a preview button on the page, never press it
21:21.20HachimanAt least, never press it in the formal editor
21:21.25HachimanYou will lose your progress
21:21.30Charles_MurrayI press it, and it works fine? o.O
21:21.47HachimanFormal editor
21:21.51HachimanNot normal editor
21:22.26Wormy_STOSovnar:  I always save lots of edits or pages onto something like notepad, pastie or titanpad
21:23.00Wormy_STORemember to tag it as private http://pastie.org/
21:23.25SovnarkomWhat do you mean?
21:24.16Wormy_STOYou can save your progress on there, and it creates a link.  A private link can only be seen by you or by peopple you share it with.
21:24.56SovnarkomOh okay.
21:25.09SovnarkomShould I do it now?
21:26.15SovnarkomWhen should I use pastie?
21:26.20SovnarkomWhen I'm doing the backstory and stuff?
21:27.49SovnarkomMaking a page is pretty damn difficuly.
21:27.55SovnarkomSo much backstory I need to put
21:27.55Sovnarkom._.
21:28.01SovnarkomWell for the text boxes that is.
21:28.56Cyrannian|STOYou only really need to use it when you are afraid that you might lose what you've wrote due to a crash or something
21:29.12SovnarkomOh okay.
21:29.42Charles_MurrayI've experimented with using it to deliver small stubs of text in an rp setting.
21:29.47Charles_MurrayExample: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:Plazith_League#Incoming_transmission_from_the_French_Colonial_Empire
21:30.45TechnobliteratorI would advise not using form editor at all, and instead writing it out with the proper editor
21:31.10TechnobliteratorBut it's much easier to use form editor if you're new
21:31.58SovnarkomHm...
21:32.07SovnarkomWhat tier is the Tharsis Federacy.
21:32.34SovnarkomI mean, it is relatively small compared to the other empires and they do not have territories outside their galaxy.
21:33.24Cyrannian|STOTier 3, perhaps?
21:33.59SovnarkomProbably.
21:34.05Sovnarkomlet me look at the tier 3 criteria
21:38.11SovnarkomI'm really confused.
21:38.13Sovnarkom:l
21:38.21SovnarkomAnd I don't mean to be a whiner, but I really am.
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21:39.31ETS2MPJackalHaha, it's fine, I used to be totally stumped by the whole systen here when I first joined.
21:39.42ETS2MPJackalSystem even. >.<
21:40.07SovnarkomWhat does text above screen do?
21:40.26SovnarkomThat seems like a stupid question when I look at it.
21:40.29SovnarkomNevermind
21:40.30Sovnarkomlol
21:44.29SovnarkomDo I have to add information for all the boxes or could I leave some out?
21:44.42DrodoEmpireYou can leave out some infobox sections
21:44.47DrodoEmpireIf that's what you mean
21:45.11SovnarkomYea.
21:45.17DrodoEmpireOnly fill those that are relevant to you; The rest will automatically not show up
21:46.19SovnarkomOkay
21:47.52SovnarkomIt's going to be a work in progress.
21:47.57SovnarkomSo it might take days to finish
21:59.07Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism/DIvision_of_Opinion
21:59.47Hachiman_https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10169383_1603653996542832_5183002867184146621_n.png?oh=bdfbfc994612fe0f915bc42e09954d4c&oe=56240B8C Honestly that fucking hair design is awful
22:00.42Xho"bad"
22:00.43Xhotop kek
22:10.45SovnarkomHm...
22:10.51SovnarkomMy faction is definently neutral.
22:11.00SovnarkomBut what kind of neutral.
22:11.01SovnarkomHm...
22:11.13SovnarkomOh
22:11.14SovnarkomI found it
22:11.20SovnarkomNeutral Good - Devoted to Helping Others
22:11.22Hachiman_Well if they are a functioning utilitarian society
22:11.26Hachiman_Lawful neutral
22:11.29SovnarkomMy nation is based on the mutual cooperation of other groups
22:12.17SovnarkomI looked at alot of the different economies of the different empires.
22:12.23SovnarkomLots are Post-Scarcity.
22:13.06DrodoEmpireWell... Sort-of
22:13.38DrodoEmpire"Post-Scarcity" is sort-of a meaningless label imo. :p Either way it doesn't preclude trade or capitalism
22:14.14SovnarkomOh.
22:14.41XhoI think as a general term it just means sufficiently advanced to be self-sustaining
22:17.19SovnarkomWhat would be a trading economy.
22:17.38DrodoEmpireHow do you mean?
22:17.56SovnarkomI mean, my nation is like a mix between the Trade Federation from Star Wars and the Tau Empire from 40k.
22:17.56Charles_MurrayI think you might be referring to capitalism?
22:17.58SovnarkomLol
22:18.10SovnarkomBut I was thinking of not using a currency based sytem.
22:18.13DrodoEmpireEven post-scarcity civilizations would trade internationally and within its own borders
22:18.20DrodoEmpireMight be tricky.
22:18.26Charles_MurrayI have a background in economics, so let me know if you have any questions.
22:18.48Charles_MurrayThough yeah, not having a currency for outward exchanges is not very practical.
22:19.03SovnarkomAh.
22:19.19SovnarkomI guess I should use some sort of currency for trade with other empires.
22:19.21SovnarkomCredits!
22:19.22SovnarkomLol
22:20.30Charles_MurrayYou could use the currency of another empire if you want to facilitate trade and investment with them and don't want to create your own currency. The downside to that, though, is that you lose control of parts of your economic policy and, if they choose to, they can screw you up.
22:20.32SovnarkomBasically, the gist of my nation's policy is to create mutual cooperation with other empires.
22:20.36Charles_Murray*looks at Drodo*
22:20.54DrodoEmpire3:
22:21.20SovnarkomLol
22:24.20Tek0516Charles_Murray: And for a real life example, see Greece and the Euro. :(
22:25.08Tek0516>.>
22:25.26Tek0516I killed him with the horror. :P
22:26.18Hachiman_Monet: Who would you say was your favourite Batman apprentice? I am inclined towards Nightwing myself hur
22:27.22MonetSame..
22:28.03HachimanDamian Wayne is a little self-entitled prick in my opinion
22:29.03SovnarkomJust a quick clarification, an extragalactic empire is an empire which has territory in multiple galaxies not one right?
22:29.29MonetAN extragalactic empire is an empire not native to the galaxy concerned
22:29.43SovnarkomOh okay.
22:29.52HachimanYeah, the term for a civilisation with territories in other galaxies is intergalactic
22:30.29DrodoEmpire^
22:30.44SovnarkomOH.
22:30.45SovnarkomOkay.
22:30.48SovnarkomMy bad then.
22:32.57XhoIt's never really occurred to me how complex Nile is in terms of guitars
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22:32.58XhoJesus
22:33.56SovnarkomIs it recommended to put a text above the title?
22:34.38HachimanNot really
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22:35.14TechnobliteratorWhich title?
22:35.37ImpyDroiddrom: So I was playing Polynesia in Civ V and Sweden declared war at me
22:35.40ImpyDroidProblem is
22:35.53ImpyDroidWe were barely out of Classical Era and separated by sea
22:36.08XhoI'm surprised at myself that I don't listen to Nile more
22:36.09XhoI mean
22:36.15XhoAncient Egypt and Death Metal
22:36.19ImpyDroidSo he sent fucking Triremes and Warriors in boats to attack me
22:36.22XhoTwo of my favourite things as once
22:37.21ImpyDroidI actually find it funny that you like Egypt so, considering that nowadays Egypt is known primarily for its soap operas
22:37.32ImpyDroidIn the Middle East at least
22:37.36XhoAncient Egypt u silly
22:38.44ImpyDroidIt is actually kind of interesting
22:39.07ImpyDroidThe Middle East's cultural centers have not changed at all
22:39.24XhoWhat like
22:39.27XhoBeheading heretics
22:39.32ImpyDroidEgypt, Mesopotamia (Iraq and Syria), Anatolia (Turkey) and Iran
22:39.48ImpyDroidNo I mean the places that were cool stayed cool mostly
22:39.57XhoEgypt didn't really
22:40.01ImpyDroidAnd places that were shit are not shit but with oil
22:40.02XhoNot after Rome conquered it
22:40.18XhoThat was pretty much at the very end of Egypt anyway
22:40.32ImpyDroidWell yeah but the Middle Ages
22:40.41ImpyDroidSaladin ruled from Egypt for example
22:42.55ImpyDroidAnd from what I've heard modern Egypt is a sort of cultural center for Arabs
22:43.05Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejOpFFmrFO0 It's like Ancient Egypt if Angazhar ruled it
22:43.14ImpyDroidThey apparently produce soap operas
22:43.59ImpyDroidI actually wonder if there are any actual metal bands in modern Egypt
22:44.13ImpyDroidI remember listening to an Iranian rock band
22:44.32ImpyDroidhttps://youtu.be/0lv08VE4Gfg
22:44.33ImpyDroidThjs
22:46.12XhoNile is pretty much the soundtrack to my imagination
22:46.14XhoThat and Meshuggah
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22:48.08Quark8Hello.
22:48.39DrodoEmpireHi
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22:49.30XhoThere's a song by Nile called "Papyrus Containing the Spell to Preserve Its Possessor Against Attacks from He Who Is in the Water"
22:49.35Xho#ancientegypt
22:52.06SovnarkomI finally got Paint.net
22:52.11SovnarkomTime to make the symbol for my empire.
22:52.14Sovnarkom;)
22:52.27Cyrannian|STOKewl, looking forward to seeing it
22:54.26SovnarkomBut there is just a tincy wincy problem.
22:54.31SovnarkomI have no idea what symbol I should make.
22:54.34SovnarkomHm...
22:54.43SovnarkomHave any of you played this game called, "PlanetSide 2"?
22:55.03SovnarkomThere is a faction in the game called the New Conglomerate and their symbol is great.
22:55.41Sovnarkomhttp://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4922/ncempirelogo1000x1000.png
22:56.38DrodoEmpireYeah I have
22:56.42DrodoEmpireAwesome game
22:57.55SovnarkomI like the Terran symbol too.
22:57.59SovnarkomBut the New Conglomerate takes the cake.
23:00.42SovnarkomBut I'd rather make a simple symbol.
23:00.46SovnarkomSimple is Better!
23:01.00SovnarkomI was thinking a group of stars in the form of a circle.
23:01.14SovnarkomSure, it might be generic, but it is great.
23:03.44HachimanSounds a little too generic
23:03.48HachimanAt least forme
23:03.53Hachimanfor me even
23:04.00SovnarkomWhat about this?
23:04.01Sovnarkomhttp://images.all-free-download.com/images/graphicthumb/flag_of_the_north_atlantic_treaty_organization_clip_art_22670.jpg
23:04.14SovnarkomRemove the lines on the top and the sides.
23:04.21SovnarkomAnd then circularize it
23:04.22SovnarkomLol
23:04.32SovnarkomBecause my nation isn't going to use a flag.
23:04.34SovnarkomSo...
23:04.56DrodoEmpireHmm
23:28.03TechnobliteratorSovnarkom, I have played it
23:28.05TechnobliteratorIt is ok
23:29.48SovnarkomHey Cyrannian.
23:29.54SovnarkomHow did you do that effect for your symbols?
23:29.57SovnarkomOn your factions?
23:37.13Cyrannian|STOWhat effect do you mean?
23:37.32SovnarkomLike the shiny effect.
23:37.48SovnarkomBut I mean, it doesn't really matter much.
23:37.50SovnarkomSo.
23:39.20Cyrannian|STOhttp://www.getpaint.net/doc/latest/GradientTool.html - This may help
23:39.50SovnarkomI'm planning on making a very simple symbol for my empire.
23:40.07Technobliteratorpaint.net or GIMP are your friend
23:40.36SovnarkomI got paint.net
23:40.38SovnarkomSo i'm set.
23:41.00TekDroidI personally prefer GIMP but that's because I had Photoshop experience
23:44.30TechnobliteratorI personally prefer GIMP because it's multiplatform
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23:46.17SovnarkomSorry about that.
23:46.20SovnarkomI accidently left chat.
23:46.22SovnarkomLol
23:46.31SovnarkomI kinda like this symbol.
23:46.32Sovnarkomhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/EUFOR_Roundel.svg/1024px-EUFOR_Roundel.svg.png
23:46.46SovnarkomYea, it looks pretty boring, but the meaning of the Circle of Stars is unity.
23:47.00SovnarkomWhich would fit perfectly in my nation, which is essentially, a confederation of different alien species.
23:48.01MonetHow many stars though
23:48.09MonetAre you planning ot add
23:48.20Sovnarkom12
23:48.23SovnarkomSo it looks even.
23:48.27SovnarkomOr maybe less.
23:48.31SovnarkomBut that is just a reference picture.
23:48.32MonetRoudnel could work
23:48.48SovnarkomI like this symbol too.
23:48.49Sovnarkomhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/f/f5/Fo3_Beta_Enclave_Insignia.png/revision/latest?cb=20130602090341
23:49.00MonetI recall the American Union used the roundel before they gained so many states it became impractical
23:49.56MonetNot the American union sorry
23:50.00MonetThe 13 colonies
23:50.32MonetRemember this emblam represents your empire
23:51.01SovnarkomI know.
23:51.02MonetThe symbolism in it is tied to the distinguishing things about the federation
23:51.12DrodoEmpiretest
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23:51.31SovnarkomI kinda want a symbol that represents unity and solidarity between the alien species within the Tharsis Federacy and it is simple.
23:51.34SovnarkomSimplicity is key here.
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23:52.28Wormy_STOI'll tell you what popped into my mind.
23:52.35Wormy_STOGyroscopes
23:52.44Monetthe idea of the roundel is that what it suggests is all the member nations are united and equal
23:52.57Monett oeach other
23:53.05Wormy_STOor vertical and horizontal gears
23:55.00MonetSolidarity is a tough one to represent.
23:55.12SovnarkomOr just basically unity.
23:55.20SovnarkomSomething to symbolize unity and it is simple.
23:55.50MonetWell, the United Kingdom represents unity between five nations by combinbing the flags of each nation into one
23:56.06Monetfour nations, sorry
23:56.48SovnarkomHm.
23:57.45MonetBut combinbing twelve flags might be a bit mesy.
23:57.50Wormy_STOWish it had the Welsh Dragon in the centre
23:58.20MonetWhat if, rather than stars, the Tharsis Federacy used icons for each race?
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23:58.49Wormy_STOhi
23:58.59SovnarkomHm.
23:59.02SovnarkomThat's a cool idea.
23:59.55TechnobliteratorMonet, do I have to join the Sith to get to the star forge on Korriban?

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