| 00:30.10 | TekDroid | Woo! Just got tomorrow off! Not working on a holiday. :D |
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| 01:02.44 | DrodoEmpire | ayy lmao |
| 01:08.52 | Wormy_away | DrodoEmpire: you could probably fact check these better but lol http://imgur.com/gallery/kzYR6 |
| 01:10.21 | DrodoEmpire | olol |
| 01:13.11 | Wormy_away | Hm, catepillar webs descending from my shelf above the monitor again |
| 01:13.20 | Wormy_away | happens every year |
| 01:16.13 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/fUP2jY2.png |
| 01:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | *sigh* |
| 01:32.25 | Wormy_away | Whats really funny about these inchworm things is that they get stuck in a tangle |
| 01:33.15 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
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| 02:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:26.29 | OfficerJackal | DrodoEmpire: aeiou |
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| 04:56.24 | TekDroid | Damn, missed Drodo amd Vinny by half an hour. :/ |
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| 09:01.09 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 09:04.57 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 10:29.55 | Monet | Hello |
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| 10:34.45 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 10:34.54 | Monet | Ji |
| 10:35.00 | Monet | Hi |
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| 10:37.00 | drom | hey |
| 10:37.54 | Monet | hello |
| 10:43.05 | drom | oh I remember playing Monster Truck Madness |
| 10:43.07 | drom | good stuff |
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| 12:01.00 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 12:02.36 | Hachiman | Hai Wormy_ |
| 12:06.05 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 12:06.21 | Wormy_ | You may not like to hear but my room has a moth infestation |
| 12:06.43 | Wormy_ | Larvae on long sinlk threads dangling from the ceiling and shelf above my computer |
| 12:07.14 | Hachiman | ew |
| 12:07.16 | Hachiman | EW EW EW |
| 12:08.17 | Wormy_ | I fear for my books and clothes. |
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| 12:08.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:08.42 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:10.46 | Wormy_ | I found one clutch of eggs |
| 12:10.59 | Wormy_ | Stupid moth layed them under the wing of an airfix plane |
| 12:11.09 | Hachiman | Ohgod fucking why |
| 12:11.12 | Hachiman | I hate moths so muc |
| 12:11.15 | Hachiman | much even |
| 12:11.41 | Wormy_ | I'm more fascinated tbh. I'm going to hang them on a tree and watch them develop |
| 12:13.31 | Monet | Wormy_: Take pictures. |
| 12:13.55 | Wormy_ | I am |
| 12:15.41 | Wormy_ | There seems to be one larvae cannibalising the other eggs |
| 12:15.50 | drom | Moths are weird |
| 12:16.00 | drom | Anyway, how does it look like? |
| 12:16.34 | Wormy_ | Its about 2 mm long, walks in an inch worm fashion |
| 12:16.50 | Wormy_ | Reddish brown head |
| 12:17.04 | Wormy_ | You can tell the order by counting legs |
| 12:18.01 | Wormy_ | Its really hard to tell |
| 12:19.38 | Wormy_ | 6, so they could be sawflies |
| 12:20.20 | Liquid_Ink | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11024711_336503723191482_7305286492246313630_n.png?oh=14a68c1e8a0d2e38f9759f30fbdf8a61&oe=5623C489&__gda__=1446292566_2c948ce1f1c8f2cbb27cc5476b6148d0 |
| 12:20.26 | drom | its body is white, right? |
| 12:22.16 | Wormy_ | http://ukmoths.org.uk/showzoom.php?id=3568 |
| 12:22.20 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 12:22.24 | Wormy_ | It looks like that |
| 12:22.43 | drom | then it's a big chance it is just a common moth |
| 12:22.53 | Hachiman | I feel sick looking at that |
| 12:23.29 | drom | Hachiman then you should try looking at housefly worms |
| 12:23.48 | Hachiman | You mean maggots |
| 12:24.27 | drom | Whatever you name them. |
| 12:24.37 | drom | But yeah |
| 12:25.01 | Monet | Yeah we call them maggots |
| 12:26.50 | Monet | It looks like a white caterpillar to me. |
| 12:27.38 | drom | 25.6 degrees outside, that's blazingly hot. |
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| 12:31.57 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:35.57 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:36.04 | Wormy_ | I hear thunder |
| 12:36.17 | Wormy_ | Tune in AM radio static if you hear iut |
| 12:36.51 | Ghelae | There was thunder here too, and a little bit of rain. |
| 12:37.31 | Ghelae | But not very much. I'm pretty sure there was actually more thunder than there was rain. |
| 12:41.12 | Wormy_ | The static is giving strange sweeping noises. But i don't nknow if that is interference |
| 12:42.06 | drom | Mobile traffic can interfer with radio waves. |
| 12:42.19 | drom | radiowaves even |
| 12:43.04 | Wormy_ | Even the Cosmic Microwave Background is contributing to some. |
| 12:44.05 | drom | Yeah, but except it is pretty minimal can be filtered away. |
| 12:45.34 | Wormy_ | I don't want to filter it away. Here I am tuning in just for radio static. |
| 12:45.45 | Wormy_ | as you do |
| 12:46.18 | Wormy_ | Beats pop music any day. |
| 12:48.59 | Wormy_ | The weidest thing is when I hear radio voices through the speaker when its turned off. |
| 12:49.15 | Wormy_ | its well explained but always surprising |
| 12:49.39 | Wormy_ | Some people with fillings experience the same thing |
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| 12:52.28 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 12:52.35 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:53.58 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 12:54.04 | OluapPlayer | Imperios: http://i.4cdn.org/v/1435744236442.png |
| 12:57.16 | Imperios | OluapPlayer: ~saludos~~~ |
| 13:00.29 | Imperios | Speaking of which I want to play Civ V but I still haven't decided what civ to play |
| 13:00.36 | Imperios | I want a cultural victory |
| 13:01.22 | Liquid_Ink | Well, you're a Russian, so you should be Dutch. |
| 13:01.40 | Liquid_Ink | As Peter the Great intended. |
| 13:02.20 | Imperios | Cultural victory through weed |
| 13:02.42 | Monet | I think I'm melting |
| 13:03.10 | Monet | My room is at about 33 degrees |
| 13:03.25 | Liquid_Ink | So will you be Freedom, Order, or Autocracy? |
| 13:03.25 | Imperios | Or I could go Polynesia and play on an Archipelago map |
| 13:03.28 | Imperios | ALOHA MOTHERFUCKER |
| 13:04.40 | Imperios | Or I could try this Israel mod again and conquer all dem goyim |
| 13:04.57 | Liquid_Ink | I've always felt Israel should be an option. |
| 13:05.57 | Imperios | Yeah same |
| 13:08.57 | Imperios | Liquid_Ink: I do not think ideology matters that much for a cultural victory |
| 13:09.18 | Liquid_Ink | I know I was just curious. |
| 13:09.53 | Liquid_Ink | Will you be Soviet Hawaii or Nazi Netherlands? |
| 13:10.15 | Imperios | Soviet Hawaii |
| 13:10.29 | Imperios | I had Nazi Native Americans once |
| 13:10.44 | Hachiman | Aloha Snackbar |
| 13:11.06 | Imperios | ^ Now I know what religion my Polynesians will have as well |
| 13:11.14 | Imperios | My f |
| 13:11.39 | Imperios | My first playthrough was Mongolia and I gave them Islam as a state religion |
| 13:11.50 | Liquid_Ink | Zoroastrianism |
| 13:12.26 | Imperios | Also I gave them tons of military bonuses because Mongols so I basically had Salafism |
| 13:12.33 | Imperios | Salafist Mongols |
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| 13:14.15 | Imperios | Oh and I think my first Israel playthrough was Autocracy as well |
| 13:15.06 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11101388_844742175594040_1320361479739310980_n.png?oh=561e897d15f3c12607e26e557185e75a&oe=56266DB3 |
| 13:15.15 | Imperios | Though it is not really that strange once you think about it - there are Jewish Neo-Nazis too |
| 13:15.17 | Imperios | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism This mates |
| 13:15.20 | Imperios | *These |
| 13:15.39 | Imperios | Hachiman: Tabarnak! |
| 13:15.55 | Hachiman | hur |
| 13:16.25 | Imperios | Okay so that's settled |
| 13:16.32 | Imperios | Muslim Communist Hawaii |
| 13:18.19 | Liquid_Ink | No Zoroastrians? |
| 13:18.43 | Imperios | Aloha sounds much closer to "Allah" than it does to "Ahura Mazda" I guess |
| 13:20.19 | Liquid_Ink | I seeeeee |
| 13:25.00 | Imperios | Okay now I begin |
| 13:25.01 | Imperios | FUCK |
| 13:25.06 | Imperios | THERE ARE BRITS RIGHT NEXT TO ME |
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| 13:27.58 | Comrade_Vinny | What game is that?! |
| 13:27.59 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 13:29.31 | MonetAway | Vinny: Civ V |
| 13:30.36 | MonetAway | Bad luck Impy: >Is Polynesia on an archipeligo map >Oldest rival is the Royal Navy. |
| 13:32.45 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Best way to start a conversation with a Brit is the weather, or football. Just don't denounce their team. |
| 13:33.27 | MonetAway | Unless the team is ENgland. THen 50/50 chanve of a negtive reaction |
| 13:33.43 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 13:35.12 | Wormy_ | drom: You have likely seen this one but i love it http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/22/13/enhanced-buzz-3429-1300814030-9.jpg |
| 13:35.37 | Imperios | Ooh and there is also Quebec next to me |
| 13:35.38 | Imperios | Interesting |
| 13:36.11 | Comrade_Vinny | Wormy_: HO MY GOSH! |
| 13:36.14 | Comrade_Vinny | Nuke it! |
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| 13:36.55 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 13:37.10 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Silly me, thought you was talking in rl |
| 13:37.16 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 13:37.36 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 13:38.15 | Comrade_Vinny | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/030/165/nuke_it_from_orbit.jpg |
| 13:43.45 | MonetAway | Yess |
| 13:43.51 | MonetAway | My new fan has cooled my room right down |
| 13:46.12 | MonetAway | Anyone had one of those moments where you turn o nthe radio and the music curently playing is perfect for the situation? |
| 13:47.02 | Hachiman | I thought that was a thing only teenage girls felt |
| 13:47.26 | MonetAway | Depends on the music. |
| 13:50.04 | MonetAway | Like say just got back with good exam results fro mschool and you turn on your radio to the tune of Queen's I want It All. |
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| 13:51.19 | Hachiman | hur |
| 13:51.27 | Hachiman | I got good results for my coursework yesterday |
| 13:51.54 | MonetAway | I saw |
| 13:52.06 | Hachiman | I was told that if I keep up the good work for the next year, I could practically get into any university I wanted depending on the course |
| 13:52.26 | Monet | You're definitely on your way to a DDD grade |
| 13:54.23 | Monet | My grades made me eligible for applying to the Brighton School of Architecture. |
| 13:56.08 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 13:56.25 | Hachiman | I was also considering going to Brighton for university |
| 13:56.35 | Hachiman | Depending on how good their video game stuff is there |
| 13:57.22 | Monet | Though that's the other thing about picking unis |
| 13:57.35 | Monet | You have to feel like you could handle being there. |
| 13:57.50 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 13:58.02 | Hachiman | I had a talk with my tutor yesterday and he said that I should not be daunted by it |
| 13:58.18 | Hachiman | Since most, if not everyone, in my class is going to be roughly in the same boat as I am |
| 13:59.00 | Monet | While I was intrigued by Brighton and while they did offer a nice tour and presentation, I ultimately left it till I saw the other universities. |
| 13:59.08 | Monet | Then I went to Canterbury. |
| 14:00.50 | Monet | Actually going ot university made me realise just how much American TV lied about what its like |
| 14:00.57 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 14:01.43 | Monet | Well, a lot of my class plays League of Legends or reads comics. |
| 14:02.13 | Monet | However In the two universities I have been to have yet to encounter your typical jock. |
| 14:02.59 | Hachiman | British universities are different than US ones hur |
| 14:03.07 | Hachiman | Plus American media is built up of tropes |
| 14:03.17 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 14:03.49 | Monet | Going to university made me realise that what we see of Uni on American TV is basically High School only the kids have a few extra years on them |
| 14:04.23 | Tek0516 | Pretty much |
| 14:05.04 | Monet | UCA Rochester is primarily a fashion, film and photography university |
| 14:05.36 | Monet | Yet I'm not quite sure who the uni's "popular clique" is...or if we even have one |
| 14:05.41 | Tek0516 | I feel most University in American TV is for stuff targetted at high school or eariler anyway. |
| 14:06.33 | Monet | Most likely. |
| 14:07.46 | Monet | I'm not quite sure what field Ted Moseby is supposed to be. |
| 14:07.54 | Monet | When he was an Architecture teacher |
| 14:08.48 | Monet | WHen I did Architecture I had one lecturer for structural principles, one lecturer for architectural theory and philosophy and one for draftsmanship. |
| 14:11.09 | Monet | Moseby seems to be mostly Architectural principles. |
| 14:12.24 | Monet | Also I just remembered something else that American shows might miss out on |
| 14:12.48 | Monet | Its perfectly normal to chat up or even date members of the senior years. |
| 14:14.52 | Monet | Near the end of last term I went to a rave with a second year, one of his mates and his girlfriend. And there's a guy in my year who's dating a 3rd year and is on good terms with her friends. |
| 14:15.29 | Monet | About 20 of us, including me and members of the first and third years went to see Big Hero 6 together. |
| 14:16.37 | Tek0516 | For all its pro-equality claims America loves a rigid and highly enforced social hierarchy. |
| 14:16.53 | Tek0516 | A segregated one. |
| 14:17.35 | Monet | THen again it might have been the subject. |
| 14:18.05 | Monet | A lot of my classmates play LoL and watch Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones or Anime. |
| 14:18.48 | Monet | So we're fairly laid back. |
| 14:19.54 | Monet | The other thing I guess is the mentality |
| 14:20.32 | Monet | We have one guy who spends a lot of time playing LoL, however he keeps trying very hard to cut down on his addiction. |
| 14:21.31 | Monet | Its become known by his lecturers but the kicker is he doesn't screen them out. |
| 14:22.28 | Monet | He has demonstrated post-presentation that he wishes he hadn't spent so much time playing League during the project period and I think he is genuinely trying to kick the addiction. |
| 14:22.48 | drom | Wormy_: I rather find that freakish but okay |
| 14:23.36 | Monet | And from my experience, the slackers tend to visibly get left behind. |
| 14:24.07 | Monet | They start kicking themselves and its common to have students working into the small hours of the morning on a project. |
| 14:26.30 | Monet | Real university life would probably either intimidate or confuse a number of middle or high-school age viewers, with a small number wishing normal shool was like that (like me) |
| 14:26.59 | Monet | The other thing is that all that "sir" or "miss" crap is largely gone. |
| 14:27.51 | Monet | I think a number of my lecturers I know their firstnames better than their surnames. |
| 14:28.33 | Monet | Even the course leaders and department heads. |
| 14:32.14 | Ghel | That was true from GCSEs onwards for me, but now that school has started taking in students from Year 7 I don't know whether that will stay the same (I can't imagine the older students being happy about going back to using "Mr ____" etc, but then again I think the school also reintroduced uniforms too). |
| 14:32.33 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: Take a look: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ec/Spinosauromimus.png/revision/latest?cb=20150701143155 |
| 14:32.49 | OluapPlayer | Cassynder - who is this handsome fellow |
| 14:33.38 | Monet | I was introduced to calling my teachers by firstname basis when I started my first BTEC |
| 14:33.52 | Ghel | And while there are groups that could be thought of as as uni's "popular cliques" as you put it (members of Karni and so-called "BNOCs" or "big names on campus", as far as I can tell it makes no difference to anyone else and nobody really cares. |
| 14:33.57 | Hachiman | Yeah I also refer to tutors by their forenames |
| 14:34.42 | Monet | I think it helps that said lecturers will send you emails signed firstname only. |
| 14:35.55 | Monet | That's the other thing you might get more of at uni Hachi - emailing lecturers regularly. |
| 14:36.12 | Monet | I'm guessing you've already done it on occasion. |
| 14:37.16 | Monet | But email correspondance might become more commonplace for you at university. |
| 14:38.03 | Monet | My course has a system where if we want voice artists, the best suggestion is to send an email proposal ot our year head, he'll make it nicer to read and send it off. |
| 14:38.33 | Monet | But who you want as a VA is your choice. |
| 14:39.47 | Ghel | I could have emailed my summer project supervisor an hour ago when I found that his last student had made a silly (but fortunately irrelevant) mistake in his part of the project last year, and I wanted to make sure it wasn't me who was in error. I decided to go for a walk instead for the exercise, but next week he'll be away and I'll have to email him if I need anything. |
| 14:42.37 | Imperios | We usually use forename + patronymic with our tutors when talking in person, and the surname when talking about them among ourselves |
| 14:44.19 | Monet | That's more formal than I've done at uni |
| 14:45.13 | Monet | As I said I'm more familiar with the firstnames of my lecturers than the surnames, even when talking about them with friends. |
| 14:45.39 | Monet | Because we almsot exclusively use the firstnames. |
| 14:47.07 | Monet | Actually its a little wierd |
| 14:48.59 | Monet | England has the reputation of being one of the bigger sticklers for presenation and formality. |
| 14:49.56 | Monet | Yet post GCSE it comes off as odd for us to *not* refer to our teachers by their firstnames. |
| 14:50.03 | Tek0516 | I haven't done much direct interaction with profs yet. All my classes were hundreds of people last year though. |
| 14:50.48 | Monet | Tek0516: That might be a contributing factor. |
| 14:51.31 | Monet | I regularly speak with my course leader, but I'm in a class of 40 students. |
| 14:51.32 | Tek0516 | I did speak with one professor during admissions but he was on sabbatical this year IIRC. |
| 14:52.01 | Monet | My classes are tiny compared to yours |
| 14:52.04 | Imperios | Surname is more familiar than forename + surname |
| 14:52.19 | Imperios | It's somewhere inbetween using one's actual name and using one's surname in English |
| 14:52.31 | Imperios | While forename + patronymic is more like "Mr. Surname" |
| 14:53.32 | Tek0516 | Last year was a general one so the entire department took basically the same courses. |
| 14:53.48 | Monet | Imperios: So in English terms you still call your teachers "sir" or "miss" when in direct communication with them? |
| 14:54.05 | Imperios | Ya |
| 14:54.19 | Imperios | ...You don't? |
| 14:54.39 | Monet | Not after compulsory education no. |
| 14:55.13 | Monet | After compulsory education its almsot encouraged to address our lecturers by their first name. |
| 14:57.15 | Monet | So essentially Russian universities are more formal than British universities. |
| 14:57.33 | Monet | Even, yknow, *Oxford* |
| 14:57.50 | Monet | Actually I have no idea about Oxford. |
| 14:58.13 | Tek0516 | Ngh, getting the "I paid everything myself" lecture from my mom about university. |
| 15:00.06 | Monet | As much as people i nthe UK complain about the £9000 tuition fees, the thing that seems to be missed in conversations is there's no pressure to have it paid back |
| 15:01.03 | Monet | The money itself comes from a student finance organisation and paying it back involves contributing a small amount in taxes. |
| 15:01.20 | Monet | Which doesn't happen until you earn a certain amount of money. |
| 15:01.21 | Tek0516 | ...you even get that much? |
| 15:01.35 | Monet | Tek0516: That's the maximum yes |
| 15:02.13 | Monet | The other thing is that after paying the tax for 30 years, its all written off. |
| 15:02.40 | Tek0516 | My tuition is over $11,000 this year with no support whatsoever. |
| 15:02.41 | Monet | Whatever amount you still owe is magically gone. |
| 15:03.33 | Monet | Though I have a few international students and fro mwhat I've heard, international stuents need ot provide that £9000 up-front |
| 15:04.12 | Tek0516 | That's what it is here. All up front, no financial support programs. |
| 15:05.07 | Monet | For a UK student the student loan burden comes in the form of an extra figure on your annual tax invoice. But not until you start earning £18-21000 a year |
| 15:05.12 | Tek0516 | Okay, there is some programs but you only get assistance if you're poor. After a certain point you're on your own. |
| 15:06.17 | Monet | If I understand correctly, $11,000 in tuition is middle-rate? |
| 15:07.16 | Tek0516 | The $11,000 is for Engineering which is a more expensive program. |
| 15:08.39 | Monet | What makes it odd for me is I don't know if the UK uses the system of the MoD providing contracts to universities for various projects. |
| 15:09.51 | Tek0516 | Of course that money also doesn't include room and food which is almost as much. |
| 15:09.51 | Monet | So UK universities theoretically earn *less* per year than US universities. |
| 15:10.29 | Monet | Maybe the engineering universities get MoD grants but I'mat a fashion and film college. |
| 15:11.21 | Ghel | Universities are given publically-funded grants for their research, but I don't know whether any of that money comes from the MoD. |
| 15:12.07 | Monet | IIRC in the States, the DoD is a major contributor to university funding nationwide. |
| 15:12.54 | Ghel | Also, isn't $11,000 < £9000? Not that that's actually going to make a difference to US universities being wealthier and their students being more financially pressured. |
| 15:13.51 | Monet | Its a little over £7000 |
| 15:14.12 | Monet | Though over here pretty-much every university charges the same. |
| 15:14.24 | Tek0516 | I think it's mostly the same |
| 15:14.31 | Ghel | Yes. It used to be capped at £6000 per year until 2012. |
| 15:14.34 | Tek0516 | for universities bere |
| 15:15.07 | Monet | I've heard of places like Harvard charging $24,000 or something like that |
| 15:15.35 | Monet | Then again Harvard is top-tier Ivy League |
| 15:16.17 | Tek0516 | Yep |
| 15:17.02 | Monet | Again things get funny |
| 15:17.12 | Monet | Oxbridge is in the exact same position |
| 15:17.34 | Monet | Tuition fees there are either £9000 or £11000, can't remember |
| 15:17.51 | Ghel | They're capped at £9000 like the rest AFAIK. |
| 15:17.54 | Monet | Yes, it is *cheaper* to study law and politics at Oxford than Harvard. |
| 15:18.12 | AdmiralPanda | I'm about to pass out, but before I do I always found it funny that you have places like Oxford and Harvard that are well known by unique names, but here in Australia if a university doesn't bear the name of the state it's in you eye it very carefully :P |
| 15:18.40 | Tek0516 | UWaterloo (what is usually considered the best engineering university in Canada) is even then only a few hundred more than mine. |
| 15:19.21 | Ghel | Oh, it's a general rule here that "Universty of [City]" refers to the best universities for traditional subjects. Most others were polytechnics that were turned into official universities later. |
| 15:20.04 | Monet | Technically Oxford shares its name with the county it resides in |
| 15:20.55 | Ghel | Well, it's just city names rather than state/county names here that are used. |
| 15:20.56 | Tek0516 | They have two university in the Ottawa; Carleton University and University of Ottawa. Not sure which is supposed to be better. |
| 15:22.06 | Wormy_ | Ghel: Are you doing 3 or 4 years? |
| 15:22.11 | Monet | But that's largely because a lot of UK counties are named either after the historic kingdoms they once were (such as Sussex) or are named after the county capital (Oxford being the county capital of Oxfordshire for instance) |
| 15:22.18 | Ghel | Wormy_: Four. |
| 15:22.29 | Wormy_ | You must be finished or finishing now its 3 |
| 15:23.18 | Ghel | I've finished my third year. I'm just doing an internship here for ten weeks over summer. Then I get a couple more weeks off in September before starting my fourth. |
| 15:23.31 | Wormy_ | cool |
| 15:24.19 | Monet | Oxford and Cambridge are in Oxforshire and Cambridgeshire. |
| 15:25.17 | Monet | Names get a little mroe original In London...sort of |
| 15:26.40 | Wormy_ | If I'll be absolutely honest, I only went to University Leicester for a year, plus a couple of trips in the summer (the geology one). I made stupid mistakes. The last two years I've been in Nottingham, at a place called Confetti which do foundation degrees. I studied 3D and basic programming, that's why I've been studying more computer science and visualisation |
| 15:27.15 | Wormy_ | I'm going to top it up to a full honours degree this September, if I get a merit |
| 15:27.29 | Wormy_ | or rather start one |
| 15:29.16 | Wormy_ | I went to the British Geological Society open day however, and found many people working on visualisation and 3D, and they are interested in mentoring me for my top up. So I've been able to claw my way back into geology |
| 15:30.43 | Wormy_ | Mistake number 1: Didn't live in Leicester. Made commuting and studying, and getting to know people difficult |
| 15:36.42 | Wormy_ | In a way I'll be doing 4 years but split between three universties |
| 15:37.49 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ac/Dreadnougtusaurus.png/revision/latest?cb=20150701151657 - take a look |
| 15:40.11 | Wormy_ | Dreadnoutosaurus, I love it |
| 15:40.19 | Wormy_ | Oh yes, that reminds me |
| 15:41.25 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Capricaer%C3%B3n#Fauna - Added some information about them and a couple more new ones |
| 15:42.14 | Wormy_ | drom: Didn't go with the Darwin IV-esque sonar, and instead used four eyes. It has electrosensitive feelers evolved to comb shallow sea bed, and claw and graspers for breaking open shells. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dromanji.png |
| 15:43.23 | Wormy_ | http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Wormulon%7C2267110959%3Asast-501019606331 |
| 15:43.43 | Cyrannian | Very nice work! |
| 15:44.23 | OluapPlayer | Dreadnoughtusaurus |
| 15:44.27 | OluapPlayer | That's a badass as fuck name |
| 15:46.36 | Hachiman | Aye that is an awesome name |
| 15:46.44 | Wormy_ | Good work on creatures |
| 15:47.08 | Wormy_ | Also, I kind of want to see a saber tooth alien dinosaur now. |
| 15:49.21 | Wormy_ | wat https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080308022516AAgx68S |
| 15:49.38 | drom | Wormy_: I see. |
| 15:51.14 | Hachiman | Xeno-Gorgonopsids would be awesome |
| 15:51.44 | drom | Wormy_: I cannot help but to also think of how react to other alien species if any. |
| 15:51.49 | Hachiman | Giant sabre-toothed mammal-like reptiles |
| 15:52.05 | drom | this neck pain ngh |
| 15:52.17 | OluapPlayer | dats called a sypnapsid |
| 15:52.40 | Wormy_ | drom: I find it hard to comment my thoughts on fiction or creations as well |
| 15:53.07 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: I love the fact that the smilodon competed with the saber toothed marsupial cat |
| 15:53.21 | Wormy_ | http://img05.deviantart.net/175d/i/2012/144/b/1/rise_of_smilodon_by_hodarinundu-d50yzia.jpg |
| 15:53.31 | drom | Imperios: How about a nice game of Civ5? |
| 15:53.41 | Hachiman | Looks like a Tasmanian tiger |
| 15:53.43 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacosmilus |
| 15:54.00 | drom | That nose bridge |
| 15:55.03 | Wormy_ | Ah never mind, its been refuted that they ever met |
| 15:55.13 | Hachiman | That chin |
| 15:55.19 | Wormy_ | At least that species |
| 15:56.30 | Hachiman | Xeno-Smilodons would be pretty cool |
| 15:56.36 | drom | Hachiman: These lips look painful |
| 15:57.16 | Hachiman | Then again, making an alien race and simplifying it to being just an extraterrestrial version of a Terran animal is kinda cheap |
| 15:58.32 | OluapPlayer | Never stopped us before |
| 16:00.35 | Hachiman | True but still |
| 16:00.54 | Hachiman | Although I personally do mind the method if the aliens in questions are made alien enough hur |
| 16:03.56 | Wormy_ | I had this debate in mind. Do I keep eyes on the Dromanji or put sonar vision on, like the Darwin IV creatures |
| 16:04.31 | Wormy_ | But I liked idea of having big fish eyes for some reason |
| 16:05.48 | Hachiman | Depends on what its environment is like I do suppose |
| 16:06.27 | Hachiman | If it was a bottom-feeder it might be more useful for it to have evolved something like sonar vision rather than eyes due to evolving in a dark environment |
| 16:06.34 | Hachiman | Although I like the current design personally |
| 16:06.51 | Wormy_ | Being seafloor dweller I probably should have made it more like a plaice |
| 16:07.16 | Wormy_ | Instead of having four eyes it would have a head with one eye up |
| 16:07.27 | Hachiman | Plaice freak me the fuck out |
| 16:07.54 | Wormy_ | Then again he has graspers |
| 16:08.12 | Wormy_ | yeah they are different, to say the least |
| 16:08.24 | Hachiman | I'd say keep the current design really |
| 16:08.48 | Wormy_ | "Ey up geaser" http://www.aughruspeninsula.com/resources/plaice-face.jpg |
| 16:08.58 | Wormy_ | I can imagine meeting him down the pub |
| 16:09.10 | Tek0516 | Goddamnit. https://i.imgur.com/84aIThlh.jpg |
| 16:09.37 | Wormy_ | Yeah I'm keeping it. I might have to make Plaice aliens one day though |
| 16:09.58 | Ghel | Dromanji were spacefaring, right? Although it's not impossible (they'd just need some technology that transduces light-images into sound-images), it would have easier for them to make the decision to travel to the stars if they could directly see them. |
| 16:11.04 | Wormy_ | Indeed. |
| 16:12.46 | Wormy_ | Also eyes evolved several times on Earth. I'm not sure they wouldn't in an open environment (they may even be air breathers) |
| 16:12.55 | Wormy_ | *why they wouldn't |
| 16:13.05 | Wormy_ | Open as in, with light sources |
| 16:13.30 | Ghel | Eyes are one of those things that convergent evolution suggests are practically inevitable. |
| 16:13.52 | Wormy_ | And there are creatures with both sight and echolocation |
| 16:14.01 | Ghel | Even in a low-light environment, high-resolution heat sensors could evolve, and those are nothing other than eyes that see in infrared. |
| 16:16.08 | Wormy_ | Reading about Darwin IV, the aliens on the planet also has infrared vision. |
| 16:18.26 | Wormy_ | *have |
| 16:19.39 | OluapPlayer | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/985/101/47e.jpg |
| 16:21.44 | Wormy_ | scary people out there |
| 16:22.12 | Imperios | drom: You mean a multiplayer game? |
| 16:22.15 | Imperios | I'm in |
| 16:23.40 | Wormy_ | Hottest July day on record in the UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33324881 |
| 16:23.52 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_War_of_Black_Fog/Part_3#Tyraz.27s_Nightmare NEW SECTION |
| 16:24.12 | Wormy_ | It does feel like the experience one gets when they step off a plane in a hot country. |
| 16:24.20 | Hachiman | Aye new section, featuring Tyraz |
| 16:24.23 | Hachiman | reed it |
| 16:30.30 | Cyrannian | Very nice work! Poor Tyraz |
| 16:31.49 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d6/Mosapleurodon01.png/revision/latest?cb=20150701162913 - Also take a look, I'll brb |
| 16:32.07 | Hachiman | Ooh nice |
| 16:32.58 | OluapPlayer | Oh cool |
| 16:37.08 | Wormy_ | Clearest picture of Pluto and Charon yet http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15227/production/_83976568_untitled.jpg |
| 16:41.27 | Wormy_ | And pyramid shaped mountains on Ceres. Expect conspiracies to fly. |
| 16:44.11 | OluapPlayer | That was found for a while now |
| 16:44.19 | OluapPlayer | And yes there are many conspiracies already |
| 16:45.15 | MonetAway | OluapPLayer: We could be getting proper surface images within a few days |
| 16:45.59 | MonetAway | Days or weeks, can't fully remember |
| 16:47.06 | OluapPlayer | Hopefully days, i want to know what the lights are |
| 16:47.15 | OluapPlayer | Everyone is talking about these lights |
| 16:47.25 | MonetAway | Lights? |
| 16:47.38 | OluapPlayer | Bright spots is a better word |
| 16:47.47 | OluapPlayer | I was reading the word lights and ended up repeating it |
| 16:48.01 | Wormy_ | Maybe they are lights. |
| 16:48.06 | Imperios | Oooh |
| 16:48.28 | Imperios | Hachiman: And then Tyraz realises Iovera can read dreams and memories |
| 16:48.49 | Imperios | That's when the real nightmare begins |
| 16:48.56 | OluapPlayer | If Iovera got mad at Tyraz for being haunted by Shu'ytrogarva then she's a really shit wife |
| 16:49.54 | drom | Imperios: Let's do it! |
| 16:51.07 | Imperios | Iovera - I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS A DREAM, I'LL KILL YOU YOU UNFAITHFUL BASTARD |
| 16:51.52 | OluapPlayer | Shu'ytrogarva - i'll tell everyun of ur dreams about geltastra next |
| 16:52.11 | drom | Imperios: http://i.imgur.com/Q46xYpS.jpg |
| 16:52.15 | drom | See 6 |
| 16:52.27 | Imperios | Iovera - IT WAS JUST A PHASE |
| 16:54.11 | Imperios | drom: rite, post me in steam |
| 16:54.13 | OluapPlayer | In case anyone else wants their chars having spooky dreams, i'm open for ideas |
| 16:54.40 | Imperios | You're the gay Jew, right? |
| 16:57.32 | drom | Aye |
| 17:16.53 | *** topic/#sporewiki by Technobliterator -> SporeWiki! http://spore.wikia.com || Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/ || Collaborative Universes: Sci-Fi http://tinyurl.com/3ddvp7q Fantasy http://tinyurl.com/p9qau7l || Roleplay subchannels: #sporewiki-rp1 and #sporewiki-rp2 || Titanpad: https://titanpad.com/ || WARNING: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:200980 |
| 17:16.58 | Technobliterator | So begins |
| 17:17.00 | Technobliterator | The epic purge |
| 17:17.37 | Ghel | starts playing appropriately epic music to everyone on IRC |
| 17:19.13 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: Check the new Fog War section |
| 17:19.23 | Technobliterator | oh, yeah sure |
| 17:19.30 | Technobliterator | I'll read it while the bot is tagging images |
| 17:30.04 | Wormy_ | https://www.facebook.com/grammarly/photos/a.158139670871698.33824.139729956046003/967572326595091/?type=1 |
| 17:31.15 | Wormy_ | I was going to sort my unlinked images. Butit might be better just for me to a select a few afterwards and put them somewhere |
| 17:32.59 | Technobliterator | sorry, oluap, I'll let you klnow when I've started reading |
| 17:36.00 | Tek0516 | Is there any way for us to see what images of ours got deleted? |
| 17:37.22 | Technobliterator | they will show up in http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Logs/delete if they get deleted |
| 17:39.41 | Ghel | Tek0516: http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3ADeletedContributions&target=Tek0516&namespace=6 |
| 17:40.13 | Tek0516 | O.o I got a permission error |
| 17:40.48 | Ghel | How about http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Tek0516&namespace=6&deletedOnly=1&year=&month=-1 |
| 17:41.21 | Tek0516 | Yeah that works. Guess I've never deleted an image |
| 17:41.39 | Ghel | Your deletedcontribitions page, howeve, shows three to be deleted. |
| 17:42.56 | Ghel | Although they all look like videos, not images. |
| 17:44.29 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 17:44.33 | Technobliterator | I don't even need to tag first |
| 17:49.58 | Technobliterator | why is it adding a template instead of actually deleting |
| 17:59.15 | Technobliterator | meh, I'll read newest section now, and check wtf is wrong with it after |
| 18:08.59 | Technobliterator | although I can understand Tyraz' fear, the "you may now kiss the bride" actually made me lol |
| 18:09.02 | Technobliterator | most epic form of torture |
| 18:09.14 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:09.25 | Hachiman | The ultimate nightmare; marriage |
| 18:11.48 | Technobliterator | burn |
| 18:15.02 | Technobliterator | oh wow, that was brutal |
| 18:15.06 | Technobliterator | I like it |
| 18:16.03 | Technobliterator | Ah, success! |
| 18:16.07 | Technobliterator | The purge begins! >:D |
| 18:19.04 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (56846faa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.132.111.170) |
| 18:19.27 | Hachiman | Fucking internet |
| 18:19.37 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, |
| 18:19.39 | Technobliterator | Technobliteratoroh wow, that was brutal |
| 18:19.41 | Technobliterator | TechnobliteratorI like it |
| 18:19.58 | Hachiman | Most of it was Oluap's idea hur |
| 18:21.52 | Technobliterator | Well, he was already on so he saw the message, but I figured you'd worked on it as well so you deserved to see too :o |
| 18:25.34 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@24.114.66.86) |
| 18:27.47 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/17/Capricaer%C3%B3nNCW01.png/revision/latest?cb=20150701182704 - Le upcoming story |
| 18:27.57 | Technobliterator | fml |
| 18:28.02 | Technobliterator | bot can only delete 100 at a time |
| 18:28.06 | Wormy_ | The temperature is only rising in my room |
| 18:28.07 | Technobliterator | So, I'll have to delete 100 pages a day |
| 18:28.45 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman_ (56846faa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.132.111.170) |
| 18:32.10 | Wormy_ | Hachi: http://imgur.com/gallery/rxQNHvz |
| 18:32.53 | Cyrannian | bai |
| 18:33.24 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 18:34.19 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QvgkW |
| 18:34.37 | Wormy_ | I bet it thinks his hair is a mate |
| 18:36.27 | Imperios | Cyrannian: ...How many factions are there? |
| 18:36.37 | Imperios | It looks like a melee a trois |
| 18:36.52 | Imperios | Burning Imperial sigils are a nice touch |
| 18:38.41 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/dZx8BMu |
| 18:38.53 | Wormy_ | ""lol gets much hotter in *X country*", UK homes rarely have air conditioning, only heating. We are basically equipped for about -10 to 20C" |
| 18:39.05 | Wormy_ | So duh duh duh |
| 18:39.37 | Wormy_ | I will not sleep tonight |
| 18:41.44 | Hachiman | Aye air conditioning is a rarity here |
| 18:41.50 | Hachiman | Other countries can afford it |
| 18:42.16 | Hachiman | We have to make do with raw heat in a northern country that is usually mild or cold |
| 18:43.01 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23341698 |
| 18:43.25 | Wormy_ | Its quite odd like that really, our weather |
| 18:44.26 | Hachiman | "I just came out to my dad as genderfluid. His exact words were, "shut the fuck up with your modern terms for made-up bullshit". That was nice. It took me so long to tell him and that's what he said." |
| 18:44.31 | Hachiman | Basically me as a parent |
| 18:45.11 | Wormy_ | Woops http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33347866 |
| 18:48.06 | Monet | "The UK is a country of radiators, not air conditioning." bang on that |
| 18:50.23 | Hachiman | http://www.cringechannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/10372655_244919459038751_2122832505051040982_n.jpg My sides |
| 18:50.47 | *** join/#sporewiki Charles_Murray (4dcfb63a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.207.182.58) |
| 18:51.08 | Wormy_ | Twitter can be a horrible place, really http://imgur.com/gallery/4o9FO |
| 18:52.59 | Charles_Murray | TekDroid: Happy Canada day! |
| 18:53.19 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Fucking brilliant |
| 18:53.21 | TekDroid | Thanks. :D |
| 18:55.01 | Wormy_ | So what's Canada day about. |
| 18:56.02 | Hachiman | The day they retreated from the British Empire into America |
| 18:57.43 | Wormy_ | According to the wiki, its about the union of colonies within the British Empire |
| 18:58.00 | Monet | I like to think of the Commonwealth as a reformed Empire |
| 18:58.31 | Monet | After all, as well as a president they still consider the Queen as their head of state |
| 18:58.47 | Hachiman | And they are dum for that hur |
| 18:58.56 | Hachiman | Because the Royal Family is dum |
| 18:59.59 | TekDroid | All Canada Day is is when the British North America colonies decided to consolidate into a single colony. |
| 19:01.04 | Wormy_ | Well Happy Canada Day from the UK |
| 19:01.08 | Monet | Including the predominantly French-speaking Quebec |
| 19:01.13 | TekDroid | Bit of extra autonomy but wasn't really an independence thing |
| 19:01.14 | Wormy_ | I feared it was Canada Independence Day |
| 19:01.29 | Monet | Indeed Happy Canada Day |
| 19:01.41 | TekDroid | Closest thing Canada has to an independence day was in 1982. |
| 19:02.05 | TekDroid | The day we stole our constitution from the UK. :P |
| 19:02.17 | Wormy_ | Actually there's been Canada day celebrations in London some years |
| 19:03.56 | Wormy_ | There used to be an Empire day |
| 19:04.20 | TekDroid | Unlike some of your former colonies we aren't jerks about it. :P *looks at Canada's boots* |
| 19:04.59 | Monet | Hachiman: "I hate my mother, everyone knows tortoises don't need jobs" |
| 19:05.07 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 19:05.48 | Monet | That's what concerns me a little about some Otherkin |
| 19:06.18 | Monet | Yes you were once a tortoise, but the idea you were an animal in your past life is also an aspect of some Hindu beliefs. |
| 19:06.19 | *** join/#sporewiki Zillafire101 (4933de11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.51.222.17) |
| 19:06.57 | Monet | Do you see Hindus lamenting the passing of days they used to be an elephant or an oak tree? |
| 19:07.06 | Hachiman | Except Hindus treat elevating from an animal into a human as a beneficial sign rather than a negative one |
| 19:07.06 | Monet | Hi |
| 19:07.18 | Zillafire101 | Hello all. |
| 19:07.34 | Hachiman | If you are reborn into the body of an animal, you have done so because you condemned yourself in your past life |
| 19:07.40 | Technobliterator | Ghel, can you remind me to resume deleting once the cache catches up? |
| 19:08.23 | Monet | I'm willing to accept transvestititism and the idea of "woman trapped ina man's body" (and vice versa), the main difference is you're stilll human. |
| 19:08.31 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.37 | Ghel | Technobliterator: All right; if I remember. That'll be tomorrow shortly after 1pm, I guess, based on when Special:UnusedFiles says the last cache update was. |
| 19:08.58 | Wormy_ | Then I got diagnosed with aspergers |
| 19:09.36 | Ghel | If not, and/or if I'm not on IRC at the time (which is quite likely), hopefully someone else will. |
| 19:09.49 | Wormy_ | I was extremely unhappy at the time, so it was like an escapist fantasy |
| 19:10.00 | Monet | Otherkinism violates both Buddhist and Hindu teachings: The former its a violation because you're ocnstantly trying to relive the past, the latter because, as you said Hachi, Hindus consider being an animal as being more distant from Heaven |
| 19:10.06 | Wormy_ | Perhaps the same can be said of otherkin |
| 19:10.42 | Monet | Probably |
| 19:10.54 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Most otherkin and furries and such are escapists or psychologically disabled |
| 19:11.10 | Hachiman | Often with cases of autism, Aspergers, etc |
| 19:11.21 | Monet | I've mentioned before that one thing World War I and World War II popularised was the idea that humans are cruel scum. |
| 19:11.29 | Wormy_ | We all like a little escapism. But if its effecting your life people should be concerned |
| 19:11.35 | Monet | Well, not *the* one thing but it was a big thing |
| 19:11.50 | Monet | So its natural that after WWII some peopel wished they weren't humans. |
| 19:11.54 | Hachiman | Humans have as much capacity for cruelty towards others as they do compassion |
| 19:12.07 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Remember the movie Balto? That gave me the obsession. The howling scene from the trigger |
| 19:12.26 | Wormy_ | *was the trigger |
| 19:12.28 | Hachiman | You do not need to have the "soul" of an animal to be a compassionate individual |
| 19:12.33 | Hachiman | Yeah I remember |
| 19:13.05 | Wormy_ | I was also given a dog. Who is still with me today. |
| 19:13.39 | Monet | The concerning thing about freedom of expression and freedo mof speech is that in an ideal world, such thoughts would be jsut as valid as transvestitism. |
| 19:13.56 | Monet | Or being having a different ethinicity |
| 19:14.12 | Wormy_ | Also the otherkiness died very quickly |
| 19:14.23 | Wormy_ | Perhaps that is the treament |
| 19:14.42 | Wormy_ | Get the otherkin working, so they can save up for a pet |
| 19:14.48 | Ghel | Well I can't see "species reassignment surgery" becoming possible in the near future. |
| 19:15.09 | Monet | I'm willing ot accept if a child believes they are a wolf; it might be only a termporary phase |
| 19:15.24 | Monet | A product of an active imagination |
| 19:15.40 | Monet | If someone who is over 17 starts ding it, that's when I'd get a little worried. |
| 19:15.42 | Wormy_ | Its a bit hard if they believe they have mythological, exotic or extinct animals as spirits |
| 19:16.09 | Hachiman | The worst thing is |
| 19:16.16 | Monet | The other thing about freedom of expression is that it can be trick to filter right fro mwrong. |
| 19:16.17 | Hachiman | People genuinely believe in this shit outside of religion |
| 19:16.26 | Monet | be tricky* |
| 19:17.01 | Monet | As much as atheists may try t odeny it, humans are a spiritual species. |
| 19:17.30 | Hachiman | That is true, I will not deny that |
| 19:17.39 | Hachiman | But I will say that spiritualism can be misguiding |
| 19:17.55 | Monet | Some take it too far, msot definitely. |
| 19:18.06 | Hachiman | In fact, spiritualism can be just as harmful and insulating as materialism |
| 19:18.31 | Wormy_ | Oh I believe there is something to spiritual experience, though anything can evoke it and it can be interpreted in many different ways. From the rational to the mystical |
| 19:18.48 | Monet | I've always believed that for a balanced society, both freedom of speech and freedom of expression need ot be moderated by the individual. |
| 19:19.07 | Hachiman | People mistake the freedom to do something as an obligation to do something |
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| 19:19.51 | Monet | Or the freedom to do something as a form of immunity form consequence. |
| 19:19.56 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 19:20.07 | Hachiman | You are free to do it but you will suffer consequences for it |
| 19:20.26 | Wormy_ | The best application of freedom of speech is open minded, and tolerant debate. Essentialy reason. Any form of intolerance is not contributing to the cause of freedom. |
| 19:20.44 | Monet | Hence my favourite oxymoron "I am a firm believer in freedom of expression, if you think otherwise you can sod off" |
| 19:21.19 | Wormy_ | Though Popper says we have no reason to tolerate the intolerant if they are trying to destroy your freedom to be tolerant |
| 19:21.33 | Hachiman | I wonder if it would be too harsh to say that we should limit the capacity for imagination in children to be more grounded and intuned towards aspects of reality |
| 19:21.50 | Wormy_ | so freedom is also not pacifism |
| 19:21.52 | Hachiman | Authors are imaginative in regards to real-world elements all the time |
| 19:22.03 | Hachiman | As well as philosophers and scholars |
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| 19:26.24 | Wormy_ | I don't like it when things are unnecessarily dumbed down for children |
| 19:26.35 | Hachiman | Aye |
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| 19:30.27 | Wormy_ | That being said, I'm not one of those people who say letting them believe in Santa is abusive |
| 19:31.05 | Wormy_ | If anything, its an opportunity for reasoning skills |
| 19:42.04 | Hachiman | Hm you know |
| 19:42.21 | Hachiman | I am beginning to wonder why Zazane have a tendency to rebel against others |
| 19:42.31 | Hachiman | I mean, so many Zazane factions and sub-factions exist |
| 19:42.43 | Imperios | >why Zazane have a tendency to rebel |
| 19:42.52 | Imperios | Zazane are actually Space Ukrainians |
| 19:42.56 | Monet | Kratocratic tendencies? |
| 19:43.24 | Imperios | Hm |
| 19:43.40 | Imperios | Actually thinking of an RL comparison... |
| 19:44.23 | Imperios | Strong tribal ties/blood ties and the fact they they've been frequently invaded, perhaps? |
| 19:44.30 | Imperios | That's why there are so many Arab states at least |
| 19:44.51 | Hachiman | Second Sovereign Domain came from liberated slaves, Third Sovereign Domain came from reunified factions of the SSD following the initial shock of the invasion of their galaxy and the shattering of the SSD, Affinity of Blades is a rebel front that opposed the TSD's rule due to mishandling their colonies and peoples for the sake of the elite |
| 19:45.30 | Tek0516 | Or simply just that the Zazane aren't a single uniform culture and those groups don't always get along? |
| 19:45.57 | Hachiman | Freeblood Realm came from remnants of the First Sovereign Domain that evaded being enslaved, Ottzelloan Zazane, Andromedan, and Borealis Zazane are secessionist states from explorers of the SSD |
| 19:46.57 | Hachiman | I mean I know Zazane are warlike but I sometimes feel like I portray them as too disenfranchised from one another |
| 19:47.04 | Hachiman | Then again, I suppose that is kind of their theme |
| 19:47.07 | Imperios | Arab culture and religious tradton are generally kinda insular and promote tribalism, and the Europeans and the Ottomans generally tried to split different Arab groups and keep them separate so as to keep them pacified |
| 19:47.29 | Imperios | And under their control |
| 19:47.36 | Imperios | Could perhaps this be true for the Zazane? |
| 19:48.20 | Hachiman | Hm maybe |
| 19:49.14 | Hachiman | There is the consistent implication that Zazane crave violence to better themselves |
| 19:50.23 | Hachiman | A unified Zazane state would hold a lot of high potential in regards to martial and technological power |
| 19:50.45 | Imperios | Also maybe it is because it is in its core a part of their society |
| 19:50.54 | Imperios | I remember you describing the Zazane as "neo-feudalistic" once |
| 19:50.58 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 19:51.08 | Imperios | You used it to describe their technology but that can also apply to culture |
| 19:51.40 | Hachiman | Perhaps Zazane work from divergent Ork logic and persistently attempt to find rational excuses to fight one another because they subconsciously enjoy fighting each other more than others |
| 19:51.40 | Imperios | Feudal and tribal societies often have a strong "us versus them" mentality |
| 19:51.45 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 19:53.21 | Imperios | They suffered from a societal collapse and probably reversed to primitivity a few times in their history so I imagine that even though they advanced technologically the mentality stays the same |
| 19:57.01 | Monet | The Clubbing Caveman theory? |
| 19:58.54 | Hachiman | Hm? |
| 20:01.39 | Monet | The Clubbing Caveman theory is the idea that psychologically modern humans are no different from our prehistoric bretheren |
| 20:02.30 | Monet | Mikio Kaku explaiend in his book "physics of the future" "you wash a caveman down, give him a nice suit and right his posture and you'd hardly tell the difference" |
| 20:05.27 | Monet | The idea arose from the idea that compared to bioligical evolution, societal evolution developed at a blinding pace. |
| 20:05.54 | Tek0516 | The only thing that's really changed is social development. |
| 20:06.23 | Monet | Our brains can't keep up. |
| 20:09.46 | Wormy_ | David Deutsch's first words of his talk are important here 0:11 to 1:57 https://www.ted.com/talks/david_deutsch_a_new_way_to_explain_explanation/transcript?language=en |
| 20:10.34 | Tek0516 | Unfortunately I'm on data at a party right now. |
| 20:11.07 | Wormy_ | Its a transacript |
| 20:15.30 | Wormy_ | e may have the same psycheology, except maybe a couple of details, since our ancestors. But our knowledge is not bound to our ancestors. So there's optimism. For we know the stars, but they did not! |
| 20:16.35 | Wormy_ | even though they may have yearned to know them, they were doing things by rules of thumb, then by authority. That's the gist |
| 21:02.01 | Imperios | Monet: I would not be so optimistic |
| 21:02.29 | Imperios | Genetically there might not be a major difference but societal differences are often so deeply ingrained that they took generations to smooth |
| 21:07.16 | Monet | I think the point of the CLubbing Caveman theory was the essentials |
| 21:07.24 | Monet | Concepts like xenophobia, gossip, greed etc. |
| 21:09.33 | Ghel | Would a better explanatory scenario be that of taking a prehistoric baby into the present, and raising into an indistinguishable-from-modern adult? |
| 21:19.05 | Wormy_ | We already know many behaviours are developmentally or culturally ingrained. I.e. humans surviving with animal company than human company. |
| 21:19.20 | Wormy_ | *with more |
| 21:24.15 | Imperios | Ghel: Ya |
| 21:28.10 | Wormy_ | Tek0516: As appreciation for Canada Day, I wrapped a banana in tin foil with maple syrup, rum, brown sugar and cinnamon. Overly done, it created a sticky jam like substance. |
| 21:30.02 | Wormy_ | Hm, I left myself open there to trolling. |
| 21:34.26 | Tek0516 | O.o |
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| 23:24.00 | Monet | OKay. |
| 23:24.12 | Monet | I just found the icing of how stupid Lamar from GTA is |
| 23:25.23 | Monet | There's one mission where you catch this guy that knows Lamar, but he tries to hide it by wearing a mask. |
| 23:25.28 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.37 | Monet | With the license plate "Lamar G" |
| 23:29.17 | Monet | http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436070488669626046/86EC4B00B4D829821F007E8DCF705F9F91E20DFE/ I wish I was joking |
| 23:42.44 | Monet | There should be a drinking game for every time Lamar does osmething that would lead to his arrest or death. |
| 23:46.03 | Monet | FUCK I just realised |
| 23:46.23 | Monet | Before I dumped the van in the marina I sent it though the all-night car wash |
| 23:48.16 | Monet | Damn my compulsive need to keep things nice. |
