IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150612

00:00.10MonetShe has become quite independant lately
00:00.16TechnobliteratorThere is no way to retire from UNO
00:00.36MonetAs a pseudomorph, is it possible her own body tried ot get rid of the cotrol mechanisms?
00:00.40TechnobliteratorIf you leave them, you are a potential threat, and you will die
00:00.42TechnobliteratorNope
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00:01.10TechnobliteratorNanomachines are incredibly tiny
00:01.26ExternalBloodlust is a polymorph also. He can die, permanently, if his body is exposed to large amounts of heat, killing all the cells and leaving nothing to regenerate. Otherwise, he reverts into a pool of biomass.
00:01.51HachimanKalcedia does operate well as a versatile stealth operative
00:02.11TechnobliteratorAnd the reason Kalcedia acts independently is because she's controlled by two active users, while the rest of UNOC are operated by an inactive one
00:02.39ExternalOf course, if a life form with sufficient body mass touches the biomass puddle, Blood can enter the body and take control.
00:02.42TechnobliteratorHachiman, is Kalcedia as a sleeper agent canon? :p
00:02.48MonetNanoachines are tiny but they're not implacable.
00:02.55HachimanI can imagine so
00:03.17TechnobliteratorIf it's not on her page, can you please add it? I'd add myself, but touchscreens
00:03.19Technobliteratorbrb
00:03.49HachimanAt some point once I get done with college work this week
00:09.47DrodoEmpiretest
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00:16.13ExternalFicWhen was the System: namespace used?
00:16.46HachimanNo idea
00:16.54HachimanIt was used for solar systems though
00:17.08DrodoEmpireYeah
00:17.23DrodoEmpire"Planet:" is more commonly used and, really, more useful.
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00:23.56TechnobliteratorI am fine with removing Systems from the wiki
00:24.07TechnobliteratorOn account of there being no System editor
00:25.12DrodoEmpireYeah, if there's no important pages in that namespace then go ahead
00:25.19DrodoEmpireSeems like a pointless thing. :p
00:25.31TechnobliteratorThey can be moved to user subpages or fiction namespace
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00:25.55ExternalFicTechnobliterator: I think you or another admin should add a System: infobox to the wiki and add it to the Contributing section. The planet namespace doesn't work as well, so I think you should instead add it to the contributing section.
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00:26.10TechnobliteratorWhy?
00:26.19Technobliterator(And you don't need to be an admin to do that)
00:26.38Tek0516Most of the time when a star system page is made it's primarily in reference to a single planet anyway.
00:26.44ExternalFicWell, the Planet: namespace covers the information of planets instead of entire star systems.
00:26.55Technobliterator(I wasn't an admin when I worked on most of our pages)
00:27.00DrodoEmpireStar system pages are very rare as far as I know
00:27.05DrodoEmpireDon't really have a point either
00:27.08TechnobliteratorBut there is no System editor
00:27.23ExternalFicYou could create one.
00:27.40Hachiman_She means in Spore
00:27.52TechnobliteratorI mean, technically there's no Planet editor either, but the Adventure editor and the Space Stage allow you to customise planets
00:28.01ExternalFicFiction-wise I meant/
00:28.05TechnobliteratorYeah, no. I can't mod Spore to create one
00:28.26TechnobliteratorStar system infobox? Sure. Star system namespace? No
00:28.27ExternalFicTHAT'S what you meant.
00:29.25TechnobliteratorIf I have things to add to a star system infobox - which I maybe can do if I grab from Wookieepedia - then maaaaybe. But the System namespace needs removing
00:30.02ExternalFicThen what about adding the infobox to the Fiction: namespace.
00:30.05ExternalFic*?
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00:40.15TechnobliteratorExternalFic, as I said, that's what I am fine doing
00:40.31TechnobliteratorYou are welcome to create a star system infobox yourself, though
00:43.03ExternalFicHow?
00:43.29TechnobliteratorThe instructions are on Template: Infobox
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00:49.56DrodoEmpireHey!
00:51.26ExternalFicHello
01:06.38ExternalFicComrade_Vinny: The Nathierm Imperium went into a revolution and was broken. It's now called the Drovarian Reclamation, so you may want to change that in the Caribbean Federation page.
01:06.57Comrade_VinnySure
01:09.48ExternalFicComrade_Vinny: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drovarian_Reclamation
01:17.21drom_Typography is a fucking machoist career
01:17.55drom_And fuck FontForge for being so complex and so alien tool
01:22.45drom_Many of the free typography tools are garbage.
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01:31.43TekDroidSo I was looking for the Xeelee sequence books. The only copy I found was a reference-only library copy that you couldn't sign out. O.o
01:32.54DrodoEmpireSteal it. Steal it now.
01:33.42ExternalFicI agree Drodo
01:35.02ExternalFicTechnobliterator: My msg template won't work, can you help?
01:35.08ExternalFichttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg/DrovarReclamation
01:38.19ExternalFicNvm.
01:46.56ExternalFicI take it back. Won't work right now. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg/DrovarReclamation
01:46.56Wormy_awayTekDroid:  I order most of my books online these days
01:47.03Wormy_awaybye
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01:53.13Knight_AlienHi
01:53.18DrodoEmpireHi
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02:02.54ExternalFicHello
02:03.18ExternalFicComrade_Vinny: Posted a message from the Drovarian Reclamation on the SCF communications panel.
02:03.31ExternalFic...If it worked.
02:04.18ExternalFicNevermind.,
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02:23.24Arcane_Nrok@DrodoEmpire here, sorry if I had you waiting
02:23.32DrodoEmpireHey!
02:23.38The_RandomnessHello
02:23.49DrodoEmpireWelcome to the IRC! There;s usually a lot more people on, its just late
02:23.57Arcane_NrokYeah
02:24.09Arcane_NrokAren't most people here in the UK or something?
02:24.45Arcane_NrokCause they are probably *really* late right now
02:25.32DrodoEmpireYeah, UK
02:26.22Knight_AlienBut some of us are in America, like me.
02:26.31DrodoEmpireAnd Canada. :3
02:26.40Arcane_NrokThen you aren't an "alien" to me
02:26.47Arcane_Nrok*murica*
02:26.53DrodoEmpireThat's raciss
02:27.03Arcane_NrokAlien means foreign
02:27.18Arcane_NrokSo that means Knight Alien ain't foreign
02:27.24Arcane_NrokTo me, at least
02:27.34DrodoEmpireI know. XD
02:27.37Knight_AlienFunny, my name has Alien in it.
02:27.44Arcane_NrokExactly
02:27.47DrodoEmpireJust speaking nonsense
02:27.50Knight_Alien:p
02:28.16Arcane_NrokBut none of us here are ok, because if someone asked us, "You 'kay"
02:28.22Knight_AlienI have a very Germanic-British background so I could be a Alien.
02:28.22Arcane_NrokWe'd say "no"
02:28.40Arcane_NrokAlso, I am half Quebec descent
02:28.42Knight_Alien1st generation of Gemran-American's in my family.
02:28.53Knight_AlienSo missed it by a inch XD
02:28.54Arcane_NrokCool
02:29.39Arcane_NrokYeah, my mom's side of the family is in Quebec, so there is the French language in my family
02:29.48Arcane_NrokBut we aren't "France" french
02:30.35DrodoEmpireYeah
02:30.53Knight_AlienCharles_Murray is super french
02:31.07Charles_Murrayo.O
02:31.36Arcane_NrokLike, France french, I'm assuming
02:31.46Knight_AlienLike space france
02:31.53Arcane_NrokOr are you Quebec as well
02:31.57Arcane_NrokOh
02:32.00Arcane_NrokSpace France
02:32.11Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Colonial_Empire
02:32.15Knight_AlienSpace france
02:32.44Arcane_NrokDem humans
02:33.24Knight_AlienI own zealous space elves basicly
02:33.35Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire
02:34.10DrodoEmpireI own the Drodo. Its in the name. XD
02:34.22Arcane_NrokYup
02:34.46Arcane_NrokThen I got this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:KRMS
02:34.51Arcane_NrokWIP of course
02:35.02Arcane_NrokOnly started a few days ago
02:35.16Arcane_NrokMan, I am talking to big figures in this fiction universe
02:35.19Arcane_NrokJust hit me
02:35.37ExternalFicLooks like I missed activity.
02:35.40ExternalFicHi!
02:36.02Arcane_NrokQuestion, do you see colors on your own name? Or is it just black
02:36.11DrodoEmpireThat's a setting you can switch on or off.
02:36.16Arcane_NrokCause Drodo is green and Knight alien is purple
02:36.30Arcane_NrokBut mine specifically is black
02:37.17ExternalFicArcane_Nrok: You see colors on other peoples screems. To me, your color is blue.
02:37.19Knight_AlienI just see black, but purple sounds like fun :3
02:37.21ExternalFic*screens
02:37.23DrodoEmpireYeah your name is always black; With that setting on on my computer my nick is black as well
02:37.52Arcane_NrokMmk
02:38.32Arcane_NrokThe external is no longer fictitious
02:38.51ExternalJust working on my fiction on SporeWiki. Now I am done.
02:39.05Arcane_NrokWhat is your fiction?
02:39.30ExternalMultiple within the fictionverse. Drovar Reclamation and Deathlight
02:39.47ExternalBoth have several subpages I need to finish though. :P
02:42.40ExternalI'm trying to figure out a name for a new alliance but I can't figure out what.
02:42.59Arcane_NrokHey
02:43.14Arcane_NrokA lot of people here have fictions asociated with Xonexi
02:43.26Arcane_NrokIs this just a coincidence?
02:43.38Knight_AlienTheir is a major conflcit taking place between the many older and newer factions.
02:43.47Knight_AlienA war.
02:44.10Knight_AlienMost newer factions are Allies, while the old are part of the Civilizations side.
02:44.28Knight_AlienThen their is the neutral accords, for those who want neither side to join.
02:44.42Arcane_NrokCivilization is asociated with DCP, correct?
02:45.06Knight_AlienYes
02:45.39Arcane_NrokI must retire to my bed
02:45.45Arcane_NrokSo long, fellow humans
02:45.47Knight_AlienI am not actually a big figure, I am newer ( 1 year) but I am super involved in the scifi-verse.
02:45.50Knight_AlienBye
02:45.52ExternalArcane_Nrok: The Xonexi Allies were contributed by several users, so some of their fictions are associated with the Xonexi Allies and/or Xonexi.
02:46.04Arcane_NrokGoodbye
02:46.08ExternalArcane_Nrok:
02:46.28ExternalContribute to the fictionverse with us if you wish, it's quite fun if you like writing.
02:46.37DrodoEmpireSee you!
02:48.48ExternalBye
02:50.09Knight_AlienSo External, what are you planning with your fiction?
02:50.21ExternalWhat do you mean?
02:51.13Knight_AlienWhat do you want to do with them, relations, culture, religion and so on.
02:52.21ExternalFor my relations, Deathlight typically wants everything to be assimilated into it unless they work on a similar mechanic. The Reclamation is attempting to establish official relations with other empires.
02:52.33ExternalCulture and religion...need to work on that.
02:54.11Knight_AlienWell do you plan for a state religion or a lose feeling.
02:54.52Knight_AlienAnd for culture, elitists, religious order, equality, iron fist opression?
02:55.17ExternalState religion, I believe that if the Drovar are as science focused as they are, they would be an atheist empire. Deathlight has no culture or religion. It's just....there.
02:55.33ExternalEquality and scientific focus.
02:56.18Knight_AlienAh.
03:16.55ExternalI had to troll on Agar.io wiki.
03:17.48External[21:16] * External slaps likrious, The_White_Light, and agario544 across the face several times and rides a magical zebra into the sun
03:18.15External[21:16] == External was kicked from #agario by The_White_Light ["Pow, right to the moon."]
03:30.23The_Randomnessy u do this
03:32.13ExternalI had to.
03:32.27ExternalLikrious asked someone to stop slapping and I had to do that.
03:33.40The_Randomnessdum
03:36.01Externalcri
03:44.11External[21:43] <%AgarBot> Man? I think you mean misogynistic cis white straight male pig you over-privileged shitlord.
03:44.19ExternalAgarbot is a dick.
03:44.24The_Randomnessl e l
03:44.33The_RandomnessThat right there is a meme
03:48.41The_RandomnessYou can check your privilege here. http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/ I am a verified shitlord.
03:54.34External[21:53] <External> "Your privilege level is SHITLORD with a score of 270  You may qualify for membership at The Patriarchy" I am a verified shitlord.
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05:10.31The_ShoeHey.
06:49.19Charles_MurrayHey!
06:59.42The_ShoeWhat's up?
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09:35.26JepardiHi
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10:06.29ImperiosHi
10:06.35ImperiosLiquid_Ink: http://img11.nnm.me/5/7/7/3/8/948fc2bbd1567d4213be250b0cd.jpg MUHRICA
10:07.14Liquid_InkHa.
10:07.21Liquid_InkPity it's photoshopped.
10:08.00Liquid_InkOr maybe it isn't. But all the "we"s look similarly identical.
10:10.42GhelaeThe fact that the red line in the top left runs over some of the woman's hair suggests that at least a little editing has gone on. :P
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10:19.52Imperioshttp://cs406431.userapi.com/v406431307/be8/DJrX7LRBJCE.jpg Tomato ackbar
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10:44.38Wormy_hi
10:45.56GhelaeHello.
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11:18.45GhelaeHello.
11:19.03OluapWorkerHi
11:22.14Wormy_Sweden using gay messages through morse code and images to scare away Russian subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqhEaWeIkm0
11:22.31TekDroidhttps://m.imgur.com/gallery/FVE3e70 Filthy peasants
11:24.45ImperiosWormy_: I saw that news a month ago or something
11:24.48ImperiosIt's kinda clever hur
11:25.15Wormy_indeed
11:26.20Imperios"Sweden: Gay since 1944"
11:26.29ImperiosFunny thing is we've been gay since 1917
11:27.18ImperiosWormy_: I suppose we will respond by creating stronger rear armour for our submarines
11:27.51OluapWorkeru've been ghey since the day u wer born
11:27.53Wormy_ohgodlol
11:29.28ImperiosOluapWorker: You've been gay since 1830 so you can't speak hur
11:29.43OluapWorkerim not dat old
11:29.49Liquid_InkImperios: I though Stalin stopped that?
11:29.52Wormy_https://imgur.com/gallery/ajUvHHp
11:30.06Wormy_Soon your police will be dressing like that Imperios
11:30.17ImperiosLiquid_Ink: Well yes he did but there was a brief rainbow party with Lenin in charge
11:30.39ImperiosWormy_: Nah they'd freeze in that
11:30.59Liquid_InkSo you've only really been gay since 1991ish?
11:31.47ImperiosI guess
11:32.40Liquid_InkSo Russia's been in the closet much longer than most. And still has a death grip on the closet, just in case.
11:33.27ImperiosRussia - i'm straight               I'M STRAIGHT I TELL YOU
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11:33.49AdmiralPandahi all
11:34.01GhelaeHello.
11:34.07ImperiosBrazil is probably more lesbian than gay consider I've seen women in Russia fawn over Brazilian ladies
11:34.13Imperios*including my own relatives*
11:34.25ImperiosHi
11:35.31ImperiosNow Australia is probably neither because of Tony Abbott
11:37.46Liquid_Ink"Twenty million people are now demanding gay marriage from the government. You know what's that called?"
11:37.49Liquid_Ink"Democracy?"
11:38.08Liquid_Ink"It's bullying! And not just the government! Bigots everywhere are feeling threatened."
11:42.48Imperioshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972924/London-Pie-Trifle-Tower-Sconehenge-hapless-ISIS-supporter-threatens-Italy-s-leaning-tower-PIZZA-Twitter-users-suggest-foodie-hotspots-jihadis-visit.html Speaking of which
11:43.47Imperioshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963229/ISIS-vow-Rome-throw-homosexuals-leaning-tower-PIZZA.html
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11:48.02ArdokuAlright, so I have this idea for a new race, but I have a feeling it wouldn't be too kindly welcomed unless I really discuss it with the people on this site.
11:49.05Ardoku... Anyone?
11:49.06Wormy_Hi.  Nah you don't need our approval, but if its going to be in the fiction universe people will give feedback
11:49.33Wormy_Whats the idea anyway?
11:49.34OluapWorkerWell, new godraces are not allowed
11:49.55Liquid_InkWhat if they introduced posthumously?
11:50.00Liquid_Ink*they're
11:50.10Liquid_InkGodraces, I mean.
11:50.20Wormy_I think thats okay.
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11:51.54ArdokuAlright, well, it's kind of... a big thing. I mean, it's kind of this obscure, mysterious race that no one knows much about, but there are certain things that indicate that they might... not be from around here. This universe, I mean. Like, these shadowy beings that kind of give off a certain... alien vibe. More so than the normal races from within the universe, and even the Xhodocto. Not that I mean they're more powerful than the
11:52.26OluapWorkerXhodocto are the absolute highest, you can't be beyond them
11:53.44ArdokuNot if you're from the universe, no.
11:54.07ArdokuBut that's sort of my idea. Again, not that they're stronger than they are, but that they are from way beyond the normal universe.
11:54.08OluapWorkerXhodocto are not from the regular universe either
11:54.50ArdokuBut they are in some aspects of the universe at the same time, aren't they? Or what exactly is their nature in context to the universe?
11:55.10OluapWorkerThe Xhodocto are the highest beings in absolutely every aspect. You're not just not allowed to be beyond them, you literally can't be beyond them
11:55.14OluapWorkerThey rule everything
11:55.48Imperioshttps://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1970397_1660403364186832_1706400638011423822_n.jpg?oh=8ec845e2857684286d694493268b075b&oe=55E68CB1
11:55.54Wormy_The Xhodocto are somehow embodiments of Chaos, which includes all kinds of existence in the SporeWiki Fiction Universe
11:56.22ArdokuYeah, but what about beyond that?
11:56.30OluapWorkerThere is no beyond that
11:56.35OluapWorkerChaos is the limit
11:56.38Wormy_There is a no outer realm in the cosmology of the fiction universe than http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chaos
11:57.19Liquid_InkWormy_: Link him to the ultraterrestrials, see if that helps
11:57.31ArdokuSo the Xhodocto remain the same, and are independent of all timelines?
11:57.38Liquid_InkYes.
11:57.39Wormy_I mean you can be vague, I have this which is similar to your idea http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AThe_Legacy/Unseen_Entity
11:58.54Wormy_I think one problem you might face is that your idea isn't all that unique, and so it may not be very successful as a starter fiction.  But the idea could be introduced as a backstory perhaps.  Just my advise.
11:59.09TechnobliteratorArdoku, the Xhodocto are beyond reality%b, let alone the universe(s)
11:59.14Technobliteratorasdfg
11:59.17Technobliteratorfucked up my bold
11:59.30Technobliteratorreality, let along the universe(s)*]
11:59.41ArdokuWell it isn't my starter fiction, I've already made a fiction.
11:59.54TechnobliteratorI would suggest, though, if you have any fiction idea, it's best to introduce it not comparing it to another fiction that already exists
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12:00.23Wormy_You'll have a tough time trying to get this race integrated I think
12:00.24MonetHello
12:00.27TechnobliteratorIf you wish to create a godrace, it's better to join the UItraterrestials - ie, a godrace that already exists without making a separate one
12:00.29Wormy_hi
12:00.29Technobliteratorhi
12:00.49Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AUltraterrestrials
12:00.56TechnobliteratorWe banned the creation of new godraces for quality control
12:01.01ArdokuAlright, fair enough.
12:01.19Wormy_Keep in mind the Ultraterrestrials aren't really a trending fiction at the moment
12:01.35TechnobliteratorEssentially, too full of godraces created for the sole purpose of bieng godraces, as opposed to because it may make for an interesting fiction
12:01.46ArdokuBut I do have another idea, and it was sort of going to tie into another thing I had, but when I discussed it with Xho, he kind of just said no.
12:02.18OluapWorkerHe's not obliged to agree to every idea told to him
12:02.24Technobliterator^
12:02.57ArdokuI never said that. But anyway, it was a Chaos string.
12:04.01TechnobliteratorI would suggest staying out of the godlike being realm, at least for the time being, as I feel you will struggle to get an idea off the ground
12:05.23Wormy_I think you could certainly work on elements of mystery and alienness, just in a less grandiose way
12:05.33MonetHigher tiers are more difficult to pull off correctly.
12:05.43MonetWell, not correctly that's unfair
12:05.44Wormy_Speculative alien fiction is quite popular here
12:06.25TechnobliteratorSporeWiki is basically Sporepedia+
12:06.36TechnobliteratorIt's about trying to stand out by making something impressive
12:06.42MonetThe higher the tier, the more difficult  to make it not look like a power fantasy.
12:06.43TechnobliteratorAnd being creative
12:07.12ArdokuWell I really need a dark outer realm thingie to tie into my Carzenian fiction. If you read about the Geron 5 incident, you'll see what I'm talking about.
12:07.15Wormy_The sad thing is that I do agree its much easier for well established users to pull it off
12:07.32Ardokuhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Carzenians
12:07.33Wormy_But I don't know how that can be fixed
12:07.42TechnobliteratorThis is natural
12:08.01OluapWorkerWell established users can do it better simply because they're more experienced and familiar with the setting
12:08.04TechnobliteratorAnyone who publishes new creatures on Sporepedia will have an easier time gaining traction for them than a random new editors
12:08.14ArdokuHave a sort of starter pack for people to read? A condensed version of all the most important things to have in mind regarding the spore fiction universe?
12:08.14TechnobliteratorBecauase they already have subscribers
12:08.23TechnobliteratorWe have that already
12:08.37Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Guidelines
12:09.11Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Guidelines/Bad_Starter_Example and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Guidelines/Good_Starter_Example
12:10.22ArdokuNot what I'm talking about. It's more of a... documentary. A tidbit of everything important that's happened in the universe that people might want to have in mind.
12:10.55Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff well here's stuff that could be useful for making a civilisation
12:11.25TechnobliteratorI would be fine with moving that to a project page
12:12.52OluapWorkerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction closest thing I can think of is this page
12:14.44ArdokuAnyone wanna give me their opinion on my Carzenians?
12:15.28Wormy_Ardoku:  From the golden age my DCP fiction has had its fingers in many pies.  Its a useful timeline of major events http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/History
12:16.05TechnobliteratorThe DCP are probably the oldest fiction on the wiki that has remained completely constant, come to think of it
12:16.08TechnobliteratorIf not the oldest, well, period
12:17.21Wormy_Yes, most factions reform themselves come to think of it.
12:21.41ArdokuSo who decided that the Xhodocto would be the most powerful?
12:22.10Wormy_The fiction universe pretty much started with the War of ages
12:22.13Liquid_InkIt just sort of developed.
12:26.51TechnobliteratorThe Xhodocto do not interact in fiction anymore, they're more part of its lore
12:27.35ArdokuBut hey, I mean, couldn't that whole thing about the Chaos being the most outside thing that exists be retconned? I mean, think about it. What if?
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12:28.09Wormy_But we would only up replacing it with some similar construct
12:28.13Wormy_Hi
12:28.25Wormy_Keep in mind Chaos is open to interpretation
12:28.36The_ShoeHey.
12:28.36Wormy_My fiction lives in ignorance to it
12:28.48Liquid_InkHello Shoe
12:29.52ArdokuNot if you're imaginative. I mean, what if you think in a different direction? Sure, Chaos could be considered the most outside of the universe in one way, but then if you look at it from another angle, Chaos and the universe and everything could then just be a part of an entirely different set of things.
12:30.48Wormy_We do think about it all the time, but when we dealing with such vague ideas its hard to justify over Chaos.  As I said, different interpretations work
12:31.45Wormy_I tend to write harder forms of SF so it doesn't refer to chaos in anyway, but chaos exists regardless
12:32.45Wormy_My fiction takes the more physical idea of multiverses, and possibly other mathematical ones
12:34.02Wormy_The Xhodocto too, are meant to be the ultimate mystery element of the fiction universe, so that means they are a constant
12:34.31GhelaeChaos in the fictionverse is essentially definable as the most all-encompasing thing there is (even if that goes to or beyond the extent that words like "is" start to lose meaning). If you look at Chaos in a different way and find something beyond it, then you simply weren't looking at Chaos in the first place.
12:34.36Wormy_Doesn't mean they have to be the best though
12:35.37Wormy_Chaos is a bit like Zen, when you think you've reached enlightenment, there's infinitely many more.  Actually that works for Cantor's infinities too.
12:35.45ArdokuWhat about the origin of the universe? And what ever was before it?
12:36.21GhelaeYes, that too. Chaos is timeless.
12:36.52Wormy_IIf you mean the universe, not chaos, we leave that open interpretation as well, provided they are equivalent.
12:37.50GhelaeYou mentioned being imaginitive. If you want to create something completely alien and eldritch, then be imaginitive and try to describe some of how that is so. What is alien about them; and/or what essential qualities of this this universe do they lack?
12:38.53Wormy_Indeed.  That kind of fiction is enjoyed here.
12:38.58TechnobliteratorArdoku, at present, you are demonstrating our reasoning behind keeping the Xhodocto as the most powerful
12:39.02GhelaeI don't see how it's imaginative to simply declare by fiat that something is alien or beyond human comprehension, or that it is more alien or incomprehensible than something else.
12:39.30TechnobliteratorThat several fictions would end up being created fighting to be "better", for the sole purpose of just being the better race, as opposed to being an interesting fiction
12:40.20ArdokuI'm just trying to learn here, Technobliterator.
12:40.36Wormy_That has been Xho's problem for a long time.  Its very hard to describe the Xhodocto epistemologically or metaphysically, as it often adds an anthropocentric angle.
12:41.54TechnobliteratorThe Taldar were originally designed to be stronger, because I thought it made sense that them, as a "good" counterpart to the Xhodocto as they originally were, should be stronger
12:42.25TechnobliteratorOf course, I was wrong in thinking so, and it made sense for them to be weaker, on the gorunds that the Xhodocto aren't technically evil and a story is boring if the good guys can win easily
12:42.49TechnobliteratorWell, I was also wrong because the original Taldar sucked .__.
12:43.09Liquid_InkBut that all worked out for the best.
12:43.56ArdokuCan I discuss the universal workings of my own fiction (not related to spore fiction universe) with you guys here?
12:44.12Wormy_A lot of good fiction has alien themes, though they are ultimately comprehensible. Stories of this kind often explore more alien ways communication and interaction can occur, like with what Ghel said.
12:44.50Wormy_I need to go now, bbl
12:45.02GhelaeArdoku: Yes.
12:45.13Wormy_awayI'll look at your ideas later though
12:45.35ArdokuAlright, well, here goes.
12:46.47ArdokuIn the beginning, there was nothing. And then, there was something. That something was everything, because that which was not it was nothing. This everything birthed several beings, each who were infinite in their own right, and together they formed that which is known as reality.
12:47.01TechnobliteratorSure. I might be a bit rusty on what happened past late 2013, because that's when I went inactive
12:48.46ArdokuEach of these beings have within themselves what is known as the cosmic birthing grounds. There, cosmic beings are born. These cosmic beings vary greatly, but within each of the birthing grounds they remain in a way constant.
12:48.56Wormy_awayNot quite gone yet.  Hmm, sounds like monadology a little
12:49.52Ardoku(I'm going from top to bottom, we haven't reached the universe yet.)
12:50.21Wormy_away(thats not criticism btw, I just thought it might give you some extra ideas)
12:50.57ArdokuEach of these cosmic beings comes in what could be considered pairs, although these pairs are actually one and the same being, yet at different points of that beings existence. The interactions between these beings is what creates what we call universes.
12:51.59Wormy_awaySo the universe only exists in reference?
12:52.14ArdokuNow, to be clear, the concept of parallel universes, that is, places where some things are different and some things are the same due to a divergence on the timeline is represented in every possible timeline being a part of the one and same universe, and thus contained within the harmony of the cosmic beings.
12:52.29ArdokuThe pairs, that is.
12:53.32ArdokuNow, the cosmic beings that form our (their) universe are Enthalpy and Entropy.
12:55.30ArdokuThe universe as we know it (the planet, space, galaxies, all of that good stuff) is actually only a small part of the interaction between Enthalpy and Entropy. Between these two iterations of the cosmic being exists a metaphysical plane. Different points of that plane are called wavelengths.
12:56.47ArdokuOur universe is what is known as a convergence, but it is a point where multiple different wavelengths intersect to form an entirely new kind of realm.
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13:00.46ArdokuThe actual wavelengths are all of single elements, the most notable ones being the scorching, a wavelength of fire, the flowing, a wavelength of fluids, the solid, a wavelength of solids, and the frigid, a wavelength of frost. Enthalpy exists at one end of this plane as the wavelength of absolute energy, and Entropy as the wavelength of no energy.
13:03.03ArdokuAll of these wavelengths are filled with their element, and opposite to our universe, do not contain extreme spans of voids between the matter. Our convergence exists as it does due to it not being a true wavelength in of itself, but rather a void into which other wavelengths flow. This is why its majority is a vacuum.
13:05.35ArdokuThe edge of the universe, is not a wall that you can come across when you reach the end of the universe. Instead, it is spatially within the universe, and instead the universe is wrapped around it, although only in a physical sense. The edge represents itself in all the wavelengths, and has multiple instances throughout our convergence, but most of these instances are unstable, and cause spatial deformities in the regions surround
13:06.14ArdokuThe only exception is what some would call the only true representation of the edge, but it represents itself as a perfect sphere, and can easily be entered.
13:07.35ArdokuHow ever, one must realize that when someone exits the universe and into the cosmic birthing grounds beyond it, they are leaving their native realm of existence. One cannot exist outside of the universe.
13:08.57ArdokuThis how ever does not meant that one cannot exit the universe by other means. Beings that exist outside of the universe, and which are of different origins than the cosmic beings which we know, can manipulate one's existence from one universe to another, although getting their attention can be more than difficult.
13:13.05ArdokuThere exist beings in the elemental wavelengths which did not originate from there. They were brought there, birthed there, by a single ancestral being which originated from Enthalpy itself. These beings are dragons, and they vary radically between each of the dimensions.
13:14.03ArdokuSimilarly to how the dragon ancestor originated from Enthalpy, so did a legion of what is known as demons originate from Entropy. They are known as the sons of entropy, although that is a misleading title since they do not have a gender.
13:14.22ArdokuAlright, so that's basically it. Opinions?
13:16.44GhelaeSeems mostly fine to me. Obviously, the fundamental consituents that come together to form our universe (enthalpy, entropy, fire, fluidity, solidity and frost) don't match those of real-world physics, but as it's a fictional cosmology there's nothing wrong with that.
13:18.17GhelaeThe only real problems I can see are in the phrasing of the description. Mainly the world "wavelength" (literally, the distance between two identical parts of a wave) seems like a poor way to describe what seems to be something at least resembling a region of some kind of space.
13:19.13ArdokuIt's sort of comparable to the wavelengths of EM radiation. Low energy wavelengths vs high energy ones.
13:19.20ArdokuSee where I'm going with this?
13:20.14GhelaeI get the idea of it.
13:22.11GhelaeAlthough I still don't think it's the best way to describe what are essentially volumes with distinct properties.
13:22.39GhelaeIf you wanted to make it really scientific you could call them "eigenstates" and then our universe, rather than a "convergence", is a "superposition". :P
13:24.12GhelaeWhether you want to call them wavelengths or not is a relatively unimportant thing that isn't going to ruin the whole fiction, of course.
13:26.24ArdokuRight. Well, thanks for the suggestions. I might use them, actually.
13:29.52GhelaeThe two concepts in real-world physics aren't unrelated: a particular wavelength is [the reciprocal of] an eigenvalue [up to a constant], and a photon state with that wavelength is thus a particular eigenstate.
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13:30.18GhelaeSo in your cosmology, you could say that e.g. flowing is the eigenvalue of the fluid eigenstate.
13:30.29GhelaeHello.
13:31.07OluapWorkerhi
13:32.01GhelaeAnd so flowing is thus analogous to a wavelength.
13:32.54GhelaeIn a rather abstract way. So now I've applied quantum theory to your fiction your original terminology makes more sense. :P
13:33.50ArdokuI suppose so. I'd have to read up on some of these terms to make more sense of them, though.
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13:36.04GhelaeThe proper definitions of them are mathematical. Physically, an eigenvalue corresponds to an observable property - say, energy - and an eigenstate is a state with a single value of that property - for example, a photon that exists as a wave of a single wavelength.
13:37.35GhelaeIf I were making a fictional cosmology like yours, though, perhaps "fields" would be a better physical match, so making the universe a convergence between, in your case, the fluidity field, the solidity field, etc.
13:38.24GhelaeBut then those fields could be said to be eigenstates of the mixing between the Enthalpy and Entropy cosmic beings.
13:38.46ArdokuIndeed
13:39.29ArdokuI gotta go for a bit, but I'll be back later. It would be cool if you could brainstorm on here while I'm gone, though.
13:39.48GhelaeThat's most likely to happen if Wormy returns.
13:40.34GhelaeAlthough you never know, maybe somebody will think of something else to say.
13:44.55ArdokuBtw, are you well versed in quantum theory?
13:45.48ArdokuI'm just asking because I'm wondering if you know where the best place to begin delving into the subject is?
13:46.33GhelaeWell, most of my knowledge comes from the fact that I've been doing a degree in Natural Sciences (primarily maths with physics) for the past three years.
13:47.29GhelaeI'm sure I can get a list of recommended textbooks from my second-year quantum mechanics module, but I'm not sure how else I could help you there.
13:48.08ArdokuThat sounds alright. I mean, I could get some of those online, right?
13:49.09ArdokuGtg now, I'll be back later
13:49.18GhelaePresumably.
13:53.54Wormy_So I take it we are matching the fictional descriptions to [quantum] physical counterparts?  Fluidity = quantum superpositions
13:54.19Wormy_That leaves a few more to think about I guess
13:54.26GhelaeYes for the first, no for the second. Fluidity, in this analogy, would be like a particular energy level.
13:55.37GhelaeEntropy/Enthalpy would be like a particular quantum field, while fluidity, solidity, fire and frost would be certain states, while the universe is a superposition of those states.
13:56.37Wormy_Right okay
14:02.33GhelaeYou do get quantum states that do seem to be very different to each other: for example, you could think of electrons and electron neutrinos as being different weak-interaction eigenstates of the first-generation lepton field.
14:03.29GhelaeThe reason why these are so different is because a) this also corresponds to different electric charge eigenstates and b) neutrinos are themselves superpositions of different mass states whose eigenvalues are much lower than that of the electron.
14:04.51Wormy_And similarly, there would be different eigenstates for other fundamental interactions?
14:05.27GhelaeYes; the three colours of quarks are eigenstates of the strong interaction.
14:05.54GhelaeLeptons only have one strong eigenstate, so the strong interaction can't do anything to them.
14:07.07Wormy_I see.  Perhaps this could represent "solidity" (only by intuition, as solidity is more attributed to electromagnetic forces)
14:08.38GhelaeThe way I'd make a fictional cosmology like that is to have the fundamental fields converge to make a universe - so rather than solidity, fluidity, etc, I would have colour, electroweak, etc.
14:09.01Wormy_yeah
14:09.31GhelaeAnd rather than Enthalpy and Entropy, my cosmic beings might be Spacetime and Quantisation.
14:10.43Wormy_I think his idea is a bit like the idea of monads, which does have a small resurgence.  Well the idea of structures which exist in reference to others, for spacetime
14:12.02Wormy_http://www.platonia.com/barbour_hrp2003.pdf
14:13.17Wormy_I would play with Leibnizian ideas
14:15.43Wormy_<PROTECTED>
14:16.55Wormy_I was going to suggest it would be a result of the beings converging the energy levels but that doesn't really make sense quantum mechanically.  And the universe is expanding
14:18.17GhelaeHow you'd get fundamental forces from classical elements is... well, one reason why we know that classical elements aren't the fundamental components of our reality.
14:19.11Wormy_Indeed
14:20.20Wormy_These models only expose why they are wrong and we end up referring back to real physics more and more
14:21.14GhelaeFor a fictional cosmology that isn't intended to be hard sci-fi, handwaving may suffice. :P
14:27.25Wormy_Ghelae:  I find this pretty cool http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/3/8140343/no-mans-sky-space-probes-gdc-quintillion-worlds
14:30.49Wormy_I think I need to revise a lot of the cosmology I made in my fiction
14:31.49Wormy_Lets see... http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Big_Collective_Consciousness
14:32.03GhelaeThey're certainly putting a lot of dedication into that game.
14:32.21Wormy_Okay the idea that the quantum multiverse lies in a dimension of its own isn't true
14:32.56Wormy_I heard  the game will have exotic lifeforms
14:33.36Wormy_And the idea that the Many Worlds is branching is also out-dated.  But i guess describing as a configuration space is okay
14:34.49Wormy_I'll have to handwave the communication and transport between quantum universes though, and using the idea of an extra-dimensional hyperspace isn't too far removed from hyperspace anyway.
14:35.55Wormy_"uantum particle's position and location "  Must be accidental
14:38.12Wormy_The BCC must too, have shadow versions of itself
14:38.40Wormy_Including versions where they are unaware of each other
14:38.49Wormy_So much meta
14:46.26Wormy_http://www.technologyreview.com/view/424073/multiverse-many-worlds-say-physicists
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14:46.48Wormy_I wonder I can handwave with that idea
14:46.52Wormy_Hi
14:47.16GhelaeHello.
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14:49.08Wormy_So the BCC only exists in the causal horizon on this universe, but has supertasked an infinite number of states...
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15:02.13GhelaeHello.
15:02.19ArdokuHello
15:02.49GhelaeDo you still want that list of recommended quantum textbooks?
15:02.55ArdokuYes please
15:02.57Ghelaehttp://readinglists.nottingham.ac.uk - I don't see why you shouldn't be able to access this. F32CO2 is the module code for second-year quantum mechanics ("The Quantum World").
15:03.11ArdokuAlso, did discussion continue that was relevant to what I talked about earlier?
15:03.17GhelaeA little.
15:03.47ArdokuAnything noteworthy?
15:04.10GhelaeNo real suggestions for you.
15:04.34ArdokuI guess I'll just check the log tomorrow
15:05.00GhelaeI can copy the whole discussion for you if you like. Assuming Wormy has no problems with it.
15:05.29GhelaeI don't see why he would... especially since you can read it all in the logs anyway.
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15:07.47ArdokuHi
15:08.59GhelaeHello.
15:09.14GhelaeAll right; I've sent you all of the relevant parts now.
15:09.32Wormy_Yes I don't mind of course
15:10.09GhelaeAfter that, Wormy started talking about the cosmology of his own "Big Collective Consciousness" SporeWikiverse fiction, as well as the game No Man's Sky.
15:10.27Wormy_My main suggestion is to look up Leibnizian ideas
15:10.36Wormy_(include that link I added)
15:10.50GhelaeI did.
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15:10.54GhelaeHello.
15:11.07Arcane_NrokHi
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15:12.34Wormy_If you get really into physics I recommend Roger Penrose's Road to Reality, but its a crawl to get through.  But takes you from college physics to super string theory and other quantum gravity frameworks
15:13.43Wormy_I also like this book but its about much more than quantum mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabric_of_Reality
15:15.20ArdokuMy scientist's flame of curiousity is brightening more and more.
15:17.47Wormy_Me, I'm actually more versed in Earth sciences than physics but I do enjoy it where the strands come together
15:18.24Wormy_Also computer simulation / visualisation, and philosophy of science
15:18.37Wormy_Partly thanks to the Fabric of Reality book
15:19.07ArdokuBtw, anyone interested in giving me their opinion on my Carzenians? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Carzenians
15:19.15Wormy_I'll have a look
15:20.30Wormy_They seem to fit their tier well, and its a good approach, probably, to worry about numbers for population and so on
15:20.41Wormy_*to not worry, sorry
15:21.02HachimanYeah; name the page "Carzenian Coalition of Trade and Sciences" rather than just "Carzenians" and then make a Creature page for the actual creature entitled with "Carzenian" - singular - rather than "Carzenians" - plural
15:21.12ArdokuYou mean not worry.
15:21.48ArdokuAnd ok, sounds like a reasonable thing to do.
15:22.31Wormy_Indeed
15:22.57Wormy_Being traders might be an interesting way forward for them
15:24.09ArdokuYeah. Anyway, brb
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15:30.30Arcane_NrokHello
15:30.54GhelaeHello.
15:31.07Arcane_NrokHi
15:31.28Arcane_NrokI was just wondering if anyone was willing to review the fiction that have started working on
15:31.41Arcane_Nrokhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:KRMS
15:34.39Wormy_For absolute starters, I wouldn't name an article by initials, myself.
15:35.36Arcane_NrokMmk
15:35.41Arcane_NrokEasy fix
15:36.43GhelaeI can't see much wrong with it. On the stylistic side, you should use {{quote|text of the quote|quoted person}} for quotes, {{main|Creature:Miigishmoter|t1=Miigishmoter}} for the "main article" link at the top of the anatomy and physiology section, and just |image=filename.png/.jpg/.whatever for infobox images.
15:37.10Arcane_NrokOk
15:37.17Arcane_NrokThanks
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15:37.31OluapWorkerGoddamnit
15:37.50GhelaeWriting out single-digit numbers as words also looks more professional, but that's a very minor point.
15:38.10Wormy_Otherwise I like the detail so far
15:38.43Wormy_On the biology and their "fear of up"
15:39.29Arcane_NrokThanks :)
15:39.47GhelaeAs to the science side, it's been a while since I did chemistry, but I would expect such a reaction as the one in their biochemistry that produces free hydrogen gas to require energy, not release it; but I could well be wrong.
15:40.24Arcane_NrokI actually did a school project where I got to choose the topic, and I chose silicon based life
15:40.42Arcane_NrokI took the heat of reaction for the chemicals and found that it would release energy
15:40.58Arcane_NrokThat project was fun/stressfull
15:41.11Arcane_Nrokheat of formation*
15:41.21GhelaeAs long as you've checked to make sure.
15:41.42Arcane_NrokK
15:41.43GhelaeOn the creature page, you can make the 2 in H2S subscript by using <sup>2</sup>.
15:41.48Ghelaesub*
15:41.58Arcane_Nrokthanks
15:42.23GhelaeAnd of course, don't forget to change "XXXX" in the history section into actual years. :P
15:42.36Wormy_I suggest breaking up the largest paragraphs a little.  While i have no problem reading through it, many will go "tl; dr"
15:42.52Arcane_NrokAlrighty
15:43.13Wormy_Of course, Wikia's stupid compressed page design is to blame
15:46.00GhelaeSo as far as content's concerned it all seems fine. I still have a feeling that your respiration reaction might not be efficient for large multicellular organisms, but even if that were the case it doesn't mean that some species somewhere in the universe won't have found a way to make it work.
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15:46.13Wormy_Btw I've deleted the redirect to KRMS, due to a new policy about no redirects in the fiction namespace.
15:46.15AdmiralPandahi all
15:46.18GhelaeHello.
15:46.32GhelaeI'll just trust you to know what you're writing about. :D
15:46.45Arcane_NrokOk :D
15:47.48GhelaeOh, and the first occurances of title names in the introductory text are usually put in bold, e.g. 'The '''Kalohris Republic of Miigish Space''', otherwise known as the '''KRMS''', is the...'
15:47.53Arcane_NrokIs there a list or something that includes the locations of other fiction empires, because I'd like to know what is in the neighboorhood for my empire to interact with
15:48.05Arcane_NrokK
15:48.14Wormy_Do you want me to move this to "Creature"?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Miigishmoter?redirect=no
15:48.46Ghelaehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Milky_Way_Galaxy is terribly outdated, but a lot of what's listed there should still be correct.
15:49.16GhelaeThe lower third of the page contains the list of empires' locations.
15:49.27Arcane_Nrokk thanks
15:50.27Arcane_NrokSeems like I have a lot to see then
15:51.06Arcane_Nrok@Wormy nah that was the old name for the KRMS
15:52.02Wormy_Alrighty
15:52.05Wormy_bbl
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15:52.45OluapWorkerGodDAMNIT
15:54.11Arcane_NrokShould I include the Miigishmoter in the Milky Way page on the Norma Arm thing?
15:54.22Arcane_NrokOr should I just leave the page alone
15:56.53GhelaeYou can put them in you like. It won't cause any harm, and it does at least mean that if it is updated then nobody will forget to put the Miigishmoter there.
15:57.14Arcane_NrokOk
15:57.21ArdokuK, I'm back
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16:04.54ArdokuAlright, so anyone wanna talk more about my Carzenians?
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16:07.12Ardoku_So did I time out there, or is there really nothing going on here?
16:07.38Ardoku_Apparently there's just nothing going on atm.
16:08.02ArdokuIt's ok, I'll just check back later
16:16.14Ardoku... ANYONE?!!!
16:16.15Wormy_awayOMG something so cool just happened
16:16.35ArdokuLike, holy shit, the whole thing just went quiet the moment I came back...
16:16.44GhelaeIt often becomes quiet here for fairly long periods of time. Less so at this time of day, but it still happens.
16:16.44ArdokuAh, finally
16:16.45OluapWorkerNot everyone is active all the time
16:16.49ArdokuWhat happened?
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16:17.19TechnobliteratorI'm rewriting UNO's page atm
16:17.32ArdokuWormy, what happened?
16:18.04Wormy_awayI heard this "chuff chuff chuff" sound, like a steam locomotive going up the hill near where my house.  I thought it was a train in a distance, but i looked out my window when it whistled at the pub.  For a second I thought it was a train, but how could that be possible on a road?  No, it was one of those steam powered vehicles from the 18th or 19th century crawling up the road with a long stream of cars behind
16:18.25MonetThat is cool
16:18.38Wormy_awayEither there's a steam rally or it fell through a wormhole lol
16:18.48Wormy_awayI'm going to upload picture
16:19.14MonetCould be a hobbyist having som e fun.
16:21.16TechnobliteratorOh, I need a quote at the top of the page
16:21.54Wormy_awayI live where the Industrial Revolution began, so I've seen them before actually
16:22.10Wormy_awayBut never going up my road
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16:26.09OluapWorker_WAKE ME UP INSIDE
16:26.18Hachimanhur
16:26.30Wormy_awayBehold http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/29/Steam_vehicle.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/640?cb=20150612162604
16:27.48MonetWormy_Away: That is very cool
16:29.28ArdokuDoes OluapWorker have internet problems or something?
16:30.03Wormy_awayHe is working, so I guess he can't stay on all the time or moves about to places with less signal
16:30.19OluapWorker_Yes I'm having connection issues today
16:30.22OluapWorker_That should be obvious
16:31.28ArdokuWell there's evidence of it, but I wouldn't say that it's the only possible explanation, and thus not really "obvious".
16:31.57HachimanWhat else could it be
16:32.55Wormy_awayWell, to be fair I got it wrong and had two hypotheses
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16:54.48GhelaeDid not mean to do that.
16:55.20OluapWorker_Don't be so self-loathing
17:01.04Wormy_awayIt can be motivational.
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17:02.08GhelaeHello.
17:02.12Xhoads
17:02.16OluapWorker_spa
17:02.19Arcane_NrokBye guys
17:02.23Hachimanbbs
17:05.01TechnobliteratorOluapWorker_, do you remember if UNO were doing much during the Ice Age?
17:05.05XhoOluapWorker_: I quoted Volim btw
17:05.13OluapWorker_Xho: gud spu
17:05.42OluapWorker_Technobliterator: If Xaltsa is inactive then they've done nothing important
17:05.50TechnobliteratorRight, okay
17:06.12TechnobliteratorWell, current canon is Xaltsa doesn't exist
17:06.39OluapWorker_They've done nothing in that case except get involved with Billig
17:08.18OluapWorker_They were also not "deeply involved" in the Fog War
17:09.05XhoMonet: I still think Kordan and Kithworto should meet
17:09.20TechnobliteratorDeeply involved only means as opposed to in previous events they were involved in
17:09.38TechnobliteratorBefore the Fog War, they weren't strongly involved in anything
17:09.40MonetXho: That could be interesting.
17:09.55MonetThe Dominion might make a return later.
17:10.16OluapWorker_I don't even know how and if UNO can join the war now
17:10.31XhoHez'Kalka and Kordan meeting
17:10.35XhoNow that's a scary thought
17:10.55OluapWorker_Kordan - horse             Hez- indeed
17:10.56TechnobliteratorI thought they were joining in the next bit?
17:11.25OluapWorker_Supposedly except I don't remember you coming up with a reason
17:11.47TechnobliteratorTheir reason is that the Loron are already involved
17:12.53OluapWorker_Okay I guess
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17:13.19TechnobliteratorThey see no reason to pull out of a war that Zr'Ahgloth wants to finish, and the Emperor was interested in seeing finish
17:13.25Wormy_hi
17:13.27Technobliteratorhi wormy
17:13.55Wormy_I suppose I'll need to collect my unlinked images soon
17:14.30Wormy_I had this go near my house http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Steam_vehicle.jpeg
17:14.36TechnobliteratorActually, thinking about it
17:14.51TechnobliteratorThe Second Borealis War was the first one they were a major player in
17:15.36MonetXho: I'm not sure if Kordan and Hez'Kalka meeting would go down well since Kordan woudl probably oppose the Xhodocto.
17:15.39Wormy_Seizure hole http://imgur.com/gallery/CzIwHNo
17:16.06XhoHez - >serves kolossus     >opposes xhodocto                   ur moar stupid than a stupid thing on stupid day
17:16.33MonetHe doesn't know Kolossus' loyalties.
17:16.42OluapWorker_Kolossus did tell him the Dominion were allies of his
17:17.27MonetOlaupWorker: He did?
17:17.41OluapWorker_Yes, back in that section where Kordan showed him Tyraz
17:18.07Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/l7qbG2b.png
17:18.28Xho"Tyraz - Go crawl up Angazhar's rectum once more, Kolossus!"                   Angazhar - '''DOES NOT UNDERSTAND XHODOCTO BIOLOGY'''
17:18.31Wormy_They won't survive very long in the soil...
17:19.18MonetOluapWorker_: I looked back and good point.
17:19.34OluapWorker_Kordan can do whatever he pleases though, next time I use Kolossus I'll be getting rid of him permanently
17:19.47OluapWorker_It just requires Hachi moving his fiction aka it'll never happen
17:19.50MonetThough Kolossus did also tell them to not go near the Dominion.
17:19.55XhoAngazhar - thanks tyraz
17:20.22XhoKolossus - got destroyed                  moved to another fictionverse
17:20.31OluapWorker_hur
17:20.45OluapWorker_Zran Kar is a better character than Kolossus in pretty much every way
17:21.09OluapWorker_Which's one reason I'm getting rid of him
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17:23.20MonetEver since Mac cursed Kolossus I've foudn th power dynamic between Kolossus and Kordan intriguing.
17:23.22TechnobliteratorI never thought Kolossus was a bad character
17:23.48XhoIf anything I think Kolossus just went under villain decay
17:24.01OluapWorker_That is the main reason I'm getting rid of him
17:24.05OluapWorker_Extreme villain decay
17:24.17Technobliterator"villain decay"? ?_?
17:24.46OluapWorker_When a villain appears less threatening the more time passes
17:25.00ImpyDroidWell he's been for quite a long while
17:25.11ImpyDroidI guess he should die now
17:25.13OluapWorker_And that is another reason
17:25.14TechnobliteratorOh, right. Well, tbf, I can agree with that one
17:25.20ImpyDroidBut he should die SPECTACULARLY
17:25.27OluapWorker_He has done enough, time to move on
17:25.27TechnobliteratorZargoth can be involved somehow
17:25.32ImpyDroidBecause he is still a good char
17:25.35OluapWorker_Me and Hachi already have his death planned
17:25.42ImpyDroidAlright
17:26.17TechnobliteratorHe can be involved by shrugging after it happens
17:26.35OluapWorker_He can be involved by not being involved
17:27.48Xho>Kolossus dies                                     Santorakh - nah you can get out of my realm
17:27.58TechnobliteratorI should probably get rid of Zargoth, honestly
17:28.19TechnobliteratorHe never did anything impressive
17:28.29TechnobliteratorXho, you can have the Vyro'Ralza get crushed by the Xhodocto now
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17:28.31HachimanHai again
17:28.38MonetHi
17:28.40XhoTechnobliterator: I HAVE USE
17:28.50OluapWorker_ew go away
17:28.52XhoThe Xhodocto are waking up again it seems
17:29.01Hachimanfien
17:29.10OluapWorker_non
17:29.23Hachimandunt tell me 2 go away den
17:29.28Hachimanu stoopid fukr
17:35.39Technobliteratorrewritten half of UNO's page, no motivation to rewrite the rest
17:46.08Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kordan okay page is done
17:47.57OluapWorker_Looks much better now
17:51.07MonetFeels better to have all that detail
17:51.22OluapWorker_Detail is always good
17:51.27OluapWorker_I've quoted
17:53.09MonetKolossus - Ur boring now.
17:53.35OluapWorker_Kordan - fug
17:55.39HachimanOoh nice, I like the amount of detail put into it
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18:00.39HachimanQuoted hur
18:06.38MonetYeah I wonder what could happen after Kolossus passes.
18:07.16OluapWorker_I guess it depends whether it becomes public knowledge or not
18:07.45HachimanI like to imagine that Kordan can "feel" Kolossus' passing
18:07.46OluapWorker_Kordan might not learn of it, considering Kolossus has already left the Draconizane by themselves for hundreds of thousands of years
18:08.25HachimanOne must wonder how mad Kordan will be when he eventually enters into the Gigaquadrant and discovers that both Kolossus and Tyraz are dead hur
18:08.32OluapWorker_It wouldn't affect the race physically in any way
18:09.09OluapWorker_Kordan - i didnt even get to avenge daddy
18:10.37MonetHachiman: He still has Uriel and Iovera to be angry to
18:11.44OluapWorker_Kordan - i'll vent my anger at his fat friend and his sex slave
18:14.59HachimanI can only imagine what would happen if Kol and Kordan encountered one another
18:15.21OluapWorker_Kordan - smells like faggot                Kol - indeed
18:15.32HachimanAside from hot, sweaty, manly and bare-chested fist-to-fist fighting
18:15.41OluapWorker_Kordan - i was right
18:17.04XhoSantorakh - dinner and a show
18:20.36MonetI think I wrote down that when he's not in armour he wears clothing that makes him attractive.
18:21.30HachimanKol - we should oil each others abs
18:21.43ArdokuAaaaand I'm back
18:22.48MonetHachiman: Lovely image lol
18:24.36OluapWorker_Cattalix - can i b sandwiched in pls
18:24.44HachimanKol - yeh pussyboi
18:24.56OluapWorker_Cattalix - thx pussydad
18:25.11HachimanI really gotta update Cattalix' model at some point
18:25.23OluapWorker_Kol's family is all giant bara ghey men
18:25.36HachimanPretty accurate hur
18:25.37OluapWorker_Except Sanguine who just watches in horror from a distance
18:25.55HachimanKol's family consists of bara men aside from Sanguine who is more bishonen hur
18:26.13OluapWorker_He's not bishounen, he's got a deformed face
18:26.19OluapWorker_Which's probably not pretty
18:26.31MonetSanguine - ...I wanna be adopted.
18:27.24ArdokuHow do you guys feel about using drawings to show things on pages instead of pictures from spore?
18:27.45HachimanSpore pictures are preferable really but make the best out of what you can I do suppose
18:27.47MonetArdoku: Perfectly fine with it
18:27.52TechnobliteratorI personally oppose it
18:28.04TechnobliteratorBut no policy opposes it
18:28.16ArdokuBut what if it's done well?
18:28.28HachimanMakes no difference really
18:28.43TechnobliteratorThey were good when Spore was unreleased and when we had a Concept namespace
18:28.46ArdokuI mean, personally I'd have a lot more freedom to express my ideas in drawings rather than in the confines of spore.
18:29.09TechnobliteratorWe no longer have a Concept namespace because the game is released, there's no point making concepts for a game that may come out
18:30.21ArdokuAnother reason is that I don't really have Spore installed any more, and every time I do install it, it works fine for a short while, then glitches the fuck out on the GUI graphics.
18:31.00TechnobliteratorThe Fiction namespace was created for anything based on what was created in Spore that does not belong in the other namespaces
18:31.13TechnobliteratorSo I don't think fiction should exist on SporeWiki without any connections to Spore at all, but no one pays attention to my views anyway, go ahead
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18:32.37OluapWorker_We have fiction characters made with other games, like several human chars
18:32.43DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
18:32.46OluapWorker_So no there's nothing stopping you from using drawings
18:35.37MonetJust realised
18:35.50MonetKol considers himself a hybrid king. THen Kordan comes along.
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18:38.06Knight_AlienHello
18:38.16DrodoEmpireHey
18:38.20MonetHi
18:40.14Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11393181_726921634083573_7203695222973768338_n.jpg?oh=53cc54d8f7e938ff5721b97c29263311&oe=55EB1E53
18:40.30DrodoEmpireohgod
18:43.45Wormy_Looks bouncy
18:43.48OluapWorker_olol
18:45.06ArdokuJump on that and the whole place will flood.
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18:46.27HachimanFucking internet
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18:46.59The_RandomnessHello
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18:47.56ExternalI'm having troubles with freaking spore pictures. Creatures that I take pictures of that have Dark Spore paint/parts are not transparent.
18:51.18GhelIs there any particular picture you can use to show us this problem?
18:51.37XhoMonet: In all seriousness though we should do a Kithworto meets Kordan section
18:51.58OluapWorker_If you mean your background is filled with stars, take the picture in the tribal/civ/space/captain editor and not the creature one
18:52.18MonetXho: Well he could probably travel to the Dominion on his own.
18:52.26Xhoi sed Kithworto
18:52.42OluapWorker_Draconizane Dominion u dunce
18:52.47XhoOh
18:52.52Xhotwo dominions
18:52.56Xhokhajiit no understand
18:53.19XhoBut yeah Kithworto could easily navigate his way to the Draconizane Dominion
18:53.57OluapWorker_Kithworto - stop trying to kill koluap and uriel             Kordan - no               Kithworto - i did what i could
18:54.05XhoThat is the literal gist of it hur
18:54.23XhoKithworto would try and persuade Kordan to not go further on with invading the Onuris Universe
18:57.40The_RandomnessI figured out what was causing a couple stuck pixels on my screen
18:57.49DrodoEmpireHm?
18:57.55XhoWhich Universe does the Zazane come from
18:57.57The_RandomnessIt turns out my monitor's connection to my computer was gradually coming loose
18:58.01XhoIt is 822912 right
18:58.31OluapWorker_I don't remember it having a name or number
18:58.48HachimanThere are "two" Zazane universes
18:58.57MonetXho: 822913
18:59.06HachimanOnuris Zazane come from one, Kordan's Zazane come from another
18:59.09Xhorite
18:59.12HachimanWhich is 822913
18:59.13XhoClose
18:59.24XhoOnuris Zazane are from 822912 then
18:59.34HachimanNo, Kordan's Draconis come from 12
18:59.38XhoOh rite
18:59.47XhoKithworto - man u lot get around
19:00.41GhelSo Kordan's Zazane come from 822913 and Kordan's Draconis come from 822912?
19:01.54GhelAnd Onuris Zazane come from an unnamed universe.
19:02.16GhelRight.
19:03.52XhoI think Kithworto would have some level of respect for Kordan
19:04.24MonetYou think so?
19:04.47XhoYeah
19:05.28XhoMore of Kithworto's Xi'Arazulha side than his Kicath side
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19:06.44HachimanaaaaaaAAAAAAAA
19:07.16XhoI think Kithworto's more chaotic side would enjoy Universe 822912/822913
19:08.06XhoHachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zagdala_Breek nigga u ain't edited dis page for nearly 5 years
19:08.21HachimanDo not really plan to either hu
19:08.25Hachimanhur even
19:08.56ExternalBack.
19:08.59Xhoif u dunt edit paeg i wil
19:09.06Hachimannot ur fic
19:09.12XhoDUN CAER
19:09.28ExternalGhel: Look at the Rachearas picture. It uses a Dark Injection eye, yet no transparency.
19:09.52MonetXho: We could plan a chapter a littel later after I've gotten something ot eat
19:10.54ArdokuWhat is this talk of 822913 universes?
19:10.58GhelExternal: Do you mean http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Racheara.png or http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Dreza'Dero.png ?
19:11.28ExternalRacheara.
19:11.51MonetXho: Didn't you once say Kithworto could be drawn to Yarda?
19:12.06XhoMithra I think it was
19:12.17GhelSo I take it you added the stars and asteroids in afterwards to make the black background less bland?
19:12.17XhoKithworto has no capacity to love or feel but it's probably more out of reason
19:12.26Externalhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3d/Dreza%27Dero.png/revision/latest?cb=20150612182818 This is still transparent, for some reason.
19:12.41MonetXho: Might be out of the question then now she's married.
19:13.29GhelArdoku: the SporeWikiverse tends to give alternate universes (whenever they show up) numbers, and Universes 822912 and 822913 are home to the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconizane_Dominion
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19:20.56The_Randomness_wtf irc
19:20.58The_Randomness_y u do this
19:21.13External?
19:21.31The_Randomness_I just disconnected from every single IRC network that I was in
19:21.44Xhokek
19:21.53The_Randomness_brb
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19:23.47XhoListening to Bleed at high volume
19:23.49XhoMy ears
19:24.06External2 many randomnesseses
19:24.29ExternalDo you need permission for an empire to colonize Mirus?
19:29.27XhoSo right now in Zimbabwe you need $35,000,000,000,000 to convert to one $1 USD
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19:30.10GhelIt's nice to see inflation's not as bad as it used to be then.
19:30.20XhoLuckily in Zimbabwe they use the US dollar anyway
19:31.36ExternalXho, how come most of the demon related pages were deleted at the end of April?
19:31.47XhoThey're not canon any more
19:31.57XhoThey haven't been canon for (around) 5 years
19:33.01ExternalAh.
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19:33.24Knight_AlienHello
19:33.39XhoHi
19:33.40GhelHello.
19:33.42ExternalHello.
19:33.50XhoSo I'm listening to Meshuggah with the volume and bass turned right up
19:33.52ExternalWell that was...
19:33.53XhoProper damn loud
19:34.04GhelIs the idea that any of your pages not on your navbox were to be deleted?
19:34.16ImpyDroidApparently it's Russia Day todau
19:34.21ImpyDroid*today
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19:35.58ImpyDroidWait what
19:36.14XhoGhel: Yes
19:36.29XhoIn contradictory terms to yesterday, I forgot how much I enjoyed whisky
19:36.47GhelThere are actually quite a few that were missed... shall I delete them too?
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19:38.32XhoGhel: Show them to me
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19:38.44XhoGoing back to whisky I think I needed one after the day I had
19:38.50Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Beliefs
19:38.51XhoI worked from 7:30 to 4:50 today
19:38.56Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Brief
19:39.13Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Vaults
19:39.28XhoYeah you can delete those three
19:39.56Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Militia
19:40.01Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Militia/Ultimatum
19:40.09Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Chaos_Tongue
19:40.27GhelThose are the ones prefixed with "Fiction:Ayrai'Shikua" that I can find.
19:40.40XhoAnd those three
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19:44.45GhelAnd http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Xhodocto_%27Species%27
19:44.46Xhoreturn of ups
19:44.55OluapPlayerrer of upu
19:45.04XhoGhel: Yeah that too
19:45.21OluapPlayerwat goin on
19:45.41XhoPage deletions
19:46.14OluapPlayerfug
19:47.32ExternalAnd a lot of them.
19:49.11GhelAnd I think, finally, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Nomenclature and... http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/Xhodocto_Eye although that one's more complete than the one on the navbox, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ayrai%27Shikua/The_Eye
19:49.53XhoHm
19:50.01XhoYeah might as well do those as well
19:50.01GhelThen there's a bunch of redirects http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=ayrai&to=az&namespace=128 that I'm not going to delete because they'll leave broken links.
19:50.09XhoI'll likely re do those pages
19:50.14TechnobliteratorThey should be deleted
19:50.15OluapPlayerBut why delete the Xhodocto Eye page
19:50.18OluapPlayerIt's important
19:50.33GhelSo delete the Xhodocto Eye page instead of moving to The Eye or changing the navbox?
19:50.50XhoYes
19:51.07XhoI'll leave it as a red link so that when I feel like it I'll redo it
19:51.11OluapPlayer~kick Xho
19:51.11infobotACTION kicks Xho
19:51.15OluapPlayerSTOOPID
19:51.23Xhou
19:51.37XhoMy fictionverse stuff is dead so it's just a matter of preference when I want to edit it
19:51.39OluapPlayerNow my pages and Tantum will be filled with red links
19:52.00XhoHardly any of these pages are linked
19:52.09GhelOkay. All done. Unless somebody wants to relink all the redirects so I can delete them too.
19:52.14OluapPlayerI've linked to the Xhodocto Eye page many times
19:52.17Xhoo rly
19:52.18XhoHm
19:52.32GhelOkay, Jo's doing that anyway.
19:52.35XhoI dunno it's not a page that's ever been gone into
19:52.41OluapPlayerDiafthora is important to the Corrruptus's lore
19:52.45XhoTrue
19:52.46OluapPlayerCorruptus even
19:53.02XhoIf you want to write it then you can but there's a low chance I'll get around to it
19:53.23XhoSimply because the fictionverse is not on my to do list
19:53.25TechnobliteratorThe bot is relinking
19:53.31OluapPlayerI ain't gonna write your page for you
19:53.32OluapPlayerfuk dat noise
19:54.51TechnobliteratorMaybe this'll feel like I actually did do something useful with today
19:54.53GhelThere's also the Cult pages http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Cult+of+the+Deathmarch&to=Cult+of+the+Deathmarchz&namespace=128 I remember they were deliberately not deleted for a reason.
19:54.57Technobliterator-_-
19:56.01GhelThere's probably also loads of other pages somewhere within the dark abyss that is http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Xho but I don't feel like going through that today.
19:56.12XhoI think I'll just leave those
19:56.22XhoAll of my fiction needs to be rewritten really
19:56.32XhoBut it's pretty huge and it's a massive put-off when I look at it
19:56.52XhoThat and Fantasyverse is much more entertaining
19:57.00TechnobliteratorYou and me both, brother
19:57.04TechnobliteratorWell, except that last part
19:57.26DrodoEmpireI need to actually use my Fantasy fictions. :p
19:57.53DrodoEmpireI have a steppe horde and trading city just laying around
19:57.58TekDroidlol
19:58.16GhelIt looks a little more managable when I do it like this: http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?limit=5000&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Xho&namespace=6&nsInvert=1&topOnly=1&year=&month=-1
19:58.44GhelMost of the entries there are actually user blog comments since deleting the namespace didn't actually remove the edits from the wiki's history.
19:59.17DrodoEmpireHey
19:59.19TechnobliteratorIt should have
19:59.26TechnobliteratorI want to contact Wikia about that
19:59.49Technobliteratormeh, too much relinking with these redirects
19:59.50Technobliteratorcba
20:00.58GhelYour edits have alerted me to another three non-navbox pages.
20:01.13Ghelhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Xhodoctoism http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Legion_of_the_Deathmarch/Demons http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Legion_of_the_Deathmarch
20:01.31MonetHello
20:01.41XhoHm
20:01.43MonetXho: Try taking it in steps. One page at a time
20:01.54XhoDelete the Xhodoctoism page
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20:02.07XhoIf possible redirect both the Legion and the Demons to the Samut'angar page
20:02.24MonetI fee lthe same way with making pictures: I want ot make pictures -> see how many potential creations I need ot make -> brain shuts down
20:03.09GhelI don't intend to be making more fiction namespace redirects.
20:04.04GhelI have to say that demons page looks pretty comprehensive, although I don't know how much of it is no longer canon.
20:04.33XhoPretty much all of it is
20:04.49XhoBut the Inferno Demons are all called Samut'angar now
20:04.57XhoAs well as the fact that I need to rename all of them
20:06.18XhoBasically the renaming is just removing half of their names
20:06.33GhelGiven that I won't be making them redirects, shall I leave the pages until you've decided what to do with them?
20:06.55XhoMight as well
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20:07.37DrodoEmpireHey! L3
20:07.39DrodoEmpire*:3
20:07.45GhelHello.
20:07.47OluapPlayermuh buni
20:07.47XhoIf I could rewrite all of my fiction in the Fictionverse from scratch I would
20:07.59XhoI mean I'd keep most of the themes the same but just much smaller
20:08.51Xhohttp://i61.tinypic.com/ta3cyq.jpg In unrelated news I want this guitar
20:09.59OluapPlayerguitru
20:10.20dromI find that texture a bit weird, but it is indeed very neat looking.
20:10.51XhoThat's just a transparent wood finish
20:11.07XhoBy the looks of it, that body is Ash wood
20:11.18ExternalI like it.
20:12.35XhoI have a guitar similar to it
20:12.52Xhohttp://news.musicstore.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/m80m800.jpg Looks like this
20:13.56Hachimanhttp://www.cringechannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/11429636_942900482418637_818376152_n.jpg
20:14.02dromI like that one more hur
20:14.20XhoIt's probably the best guitar I own
20:14.26XhoShould be for the money I paid for it
20:14.46XhoHachiman: MAIM    PURGE   KILL
20:14.57Hachimandat warhammer
20:14.58ExternalHow many guitars do you have?
20:15.27XhoHachiman: That's a Warhammer reference? Holy shit
20:15.32XhoHow many guitarss
20:15.34Xhoguitars*
20:15.35XhoHm
20:15.36XhoLemme see
20:15.58XhoI count seven
20:16.23XhoFive guitars and two basses
20:19.31ExternalYou know, vegans as zealous as that make me lose hope in humanity. Some want people to stop drinking milk and eating eggs because we "rape" animals for them.
20:20.22XhoIdeally I'd like ten guitars and five basses
20:20.25XhoOr ten and ten
20:23.43XhoYeah ten and ten is nice
20:23.53XhoThough I don't have enough space to put twenty guitars
20:23.57XhoTen guitars perhaps
20:24.00XhoFive and five then
20:34.05Knight_AlienExternal , I rather eat meat then vegetables.
20:34.17ExternalYeah.
20:34.24External"rapd cow milk"
20:34.32Knight_AlienAnd it is more rewarding to hunt for your food instead of picking off a plant.
20:34.48The_RandomnessSometimes I feel like I'm the only one that had a negative experience with GoT
20:36.06Vincent20100How?!
20:36.16The_RandomnessI had an awful experience with the first book
20:36.40ExternalWhat happened to Comrade_Vinny, Vincent?
20:36.51Knight_AlienSame person XD
20:37.07ExternalKnight_Alien: The irony is, they are complaining about slaughtering living things when they are EATING living things.
20:37.14The_RandomnessAnd considering any problems I had in there would only be exacerbated in the show, I ditched the series entirely
20:37.14ExternalI mean the name.
20:37.25Knight_AlienI have never found game of thrones interesting, but then again I like science fiction more.
20:37.37Knight_AlienExactly, we kill something etheir way.
20:37.39External^
20:38.41ExternalThey should learn that. Look up someone named "Vegan Revolution".
20:38.43ExternalTHAT
20:38.48ExternalIs a bigot vegan.
20:38.52Knight_AlienI like my food red anyways.
20:39.37Knight_AlienWell being a true vegan means death since their are certain nutrients in meat that aren't in vegetable and we need it.
20:40.08ExternalThere are substitutes to meat anyways.
20:49.25GhelI think you're getting confused there about the concept of complete protein: there are amino acids that our bodies cannot synthesise, and individual plants don't contain all of them while animal products do, but a varied plant-based diet can still provide all of them.
20:50.19GhelIf humans literally required meat to avoid serious malnutition then vegetarianism would even lot less popular than it is.
20:50.59The_Randomness^
20:51.03The_Randomnessl2nutrition pls
21:02.09JepardiSo I just made Windwailer http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/Windwailer.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/75?cb=20150612210057
21:03.59GhelI saw you uploaded a couple of other pictures to. Is this all for the fantasyverse?
21:04.41JepardiYes, all are connected to Harstag
21:07.32ExternalFic:D
21:23.46DrodoEmpiretest
21:25.01Wormy_Back
21:25.10Wormy_What have I been missing today?
21:25.37DrodoEmpireI dunno
21:25.41DrodoEmpireNot much I don't think
21:31.32ExternalFichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4JrZ6R6ZA this would be a good Fantasy Universe empire war theme
21:33.04GhelWormy_: Looking back, all I can see is that you missed Kolossus talk, Draconizane talk, a purge of some more Xhodocto-related pages and a short talk about veganism.
21:33.48GhelAny further back and I can't see because I accidentally kicked myself from the channel just before six, but it seems you were there for that anyway.
21:35.01Wormy_I just want to say External, my mum was vegan until very recently (and for a long time), and although I have never been vegan, I often had vegan meals.  A varied plant based diet does not mean death.  There are even vegan athletes, and whole cultures of vegans.
21:35.21ExternalFicAnd me trying to figure out a problem with spore captain pictures. (The Racheara don't have a transparent _ful picture due to a dark injection part.
21:35.43ExternalFicI said what?
21:35.48Wormy_I myself like cheese too much to be a vegan
21:35.56ExternalFicYeah.
21:36.11The_Randomnessmmm cheese
21:36.14Wormy_Ah right sorry, I should have directed that at Knight Alien
21:36.26Wormy_Who isn't even here
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21:36.46ExternalFicI like chicken fries waaayyy too much to be a vegetarian. If chicken fries suddenly vanished, I A) would be able to be a vegetarian or B) die from withdrawal.
21:36.53ExternalFicHey/
21:37.17Wormy_The human body is pretty much made to eat everything
21:37.27ExternalFicRocks
21:37.30ExternalFicDirt
21:37.35ExternalFicEtc?
21:37.54Wormy_Well, maybe not every everything
21:38.04ExternalFicWell, then again there are some people who have ate rocks before
21:38.05Wormy_Though clay consumption is not unknown
21:38.11ExternalFicGet really fucking sick afterwards
21:38.28Wormy_Also, essential minerals (usually dissolved in water)
21:38.34Wormy_And rock salt
21:38.57ExternalFicA lot of rock salt by itself would make you feel like crap.
21:38.59Wormy_But my point being, there's a lot more plants human can eat than many animals
21:39.13dromwelp crawl got really on my nerves
21:39.41Wormy_Onionsm raisins, chocolate, grapes, coffee, all sorts you can't give to dogs
21:39.42ExternalFicWormy_: Eeehhh....people can eat anything but it will either make them sick or kill them.
21:39.51ExternalFic*Cyanide*
21:39.56Wormy_Apple pips
21:39.57dromPlayed against 3 hard bots, that's what I describe a royal pain in the anus.
21:40.13ExternalFicIn what?
21:40.17ExternalFicThe game
21:40.20dromI ate apple pips twice, they were all disgusting
21:40.22dromCrawl
21:40.28dromJust "Crawl"
21:40.36Wormy_I've eaten various by accident
21:40.49Wormy_I also swallowed an olive stone by accident
21:41.14ExternalFicdrom: Looks like a 90s game, honestly.
21:41.20ExternalFichttps://www.google.com/search?q=Crawl&rlz=1C1GIWA_enUS585US585&oq=Crawl&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Crawl+game
21:41.50dromWho cares lol
21:41.58dromIt is a fun game after all
21:42.21ExternalFicTerraria has very bad pixels/graphics but it is sometimes fun to play.
21:42.47ExternalFicdata:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxQTEhQUEhQWFRUVFhcXFRgYFxgWFxgXGBcXFxcYGBgYHSggGBolHhgYITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGxAQGzImICQsLDQsLCwsLCwsLCwvLCwsNCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLP/AABEIAKgBLAMBEQACEQEDEQH/xAAbAAACAwEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAEDBQIGB//EAEUQAAEDAgQDBQQHBQYFBQAAAAEAAhEDIQQSMUEFUWEGEyJxgTKRofAjQlKxwdHhBxQzYnIVU4KS0vFDg6Ky4hYkNJOz/8QAGwEAAQUBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgf/xA
21:42.57ExternalFicErrmm...
21:43.00dromnigga what are you trying to do
21:43.03ExternalFicThat was a sucky link
21:43.25ExternalFicWas trying to show you a picture of Terraria but failed quite miserably.
21:43.36Wormy_ExternalFic:  I forgot.  Rock licking is very common
21:43.47dromI know Terraria
21:43.51ExternalFickicks himself in the face
21:44.20Wormy_Geologists often use their tongues as a measurement tool for grain size and roundness
21:44.37Wormy_You can tell clay and silt apart with the tongue
21:45.06Wormy_Some rocks I wouldn't lick though
21:45.10ExternalFicAh here we go: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuI9lyZny21gOfsXlVtNWLRHGPRnkLdBZ-oCr7U9tvmBhIYWPX
21:45.37Wormy_And I've never licked a rock myself
21:46.36Wormy_Ah I forgot again!!!
21:47.07Wormy_Locally brewed beer's taste can be based on the mineral content of the groundwater being used in traditional beers
21:49.38Wormy_That probably to a lot of foods
21:50.14Wormy_Yep respect the rock as a culinary treasure
21:50.23ExternalFicHonor the rocks.
22:10.00Wormy_Monet:  Michael Shanks on the future of the Stargate franchise http://savesgu.tumblr.com/post/121352946009/michael-shanks-sums-up-whats-going-on-with-the
22:16.23Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11536076_439595012867866_6659938894284749311_n.jpg?oh=ad0fc92d5d5a542a6f41745fe31b3c98&oe=5632097A
22:23.19ExternalFicHow often is Halopediaman online?
22:23.50*** join/#sporewiki Halopediaman (Halopediam@68-119-26-18.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com)
22:24.40dromAnd he came
22:24.51HachimanWell fancy that hur
22:25.17Halopediamanwut
22:26.12dromHalopediaman: http://s3.postimg.org/kyvlog1qr/screenshot_237.png
22:26.43HalopediamanHeh
22:26.56HalopediamanI have no idea what happened, my computer just shut off.
22:27.27HalopediamanThat said, I maintain an IRC omnipresence, if I'm actually at the computer is a different story.
22:32.49ExternalFicAh.
22:32.57ExternalFicI seen your profile on sporewiki
22:33.02ExternalFicMOST. INACTIVE. EVER.
22:33.23ExternalFicdrom how u get blackground
22:33.25dromSony Vegas broke, now I've nothing to combine those fucking 24x4GB avis into one single smaller video file
22:33.33ExternalFic*black background.
22:33.39dromEh
22:34.11dromWhat do you mean by black background?
22:34.34ExternalFichttp://s3.postimg.org/kyvlog1qr/screenshot_237.png why is your IRC black.
22:34.37ExternalFic*?
22:34.48dromI'm using an other client
22:35.00HalopediamanI never said I was wiki active. :v
22:35.01ExternalFicOh. White background is boring/
22:41.22dromExternalFic: http://i.imgur.com/0U1TOBx.png
22:41.57ExternalFicThanks.
22:43.10ExternalFichttp://www.nyan.cat/?f=1
22:43.12ExternalFickill me
22:44.31XhoI did that for 10 minutes once
22:44.36XhoMy brain almost went numb
22:44.45ExternalFicseizures
22:47.49ExternalFicI'm still watching it. If I watch this any longer, I might die
22:47.57ExternalFicSo why am I still watching it?
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22:49.38ExternalFicThe_Randomness: If you can watch this for 30 minutes, you deserve a million dollars: http://www.nyan.cat/?f=1#
22:50.02The_RandomnessThat's not worth my time
22:50.04The_Randomnessstale meme
22:55.19XhoMost or every meme is stale nowadays
22:55.25XhoExcept CHEEKI BREEKI of course
22:56.06The_RandomnessI disagree
22:56.27The_RandomnessAlthough whether a meme is stale or not is a matter of taste
22:56.49The_RandomnessAnd some old memes can be considered vintage memes simply due to their quality
22:57.35HachimanCHEEKI BREEKI
22:58.49Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11401579_690571597710931_5706740880004461229_n.jpg?oh=c5fc517151f6d5b2b06dde48ab55056a&oe=562D8798
23:02.52Xhohttp://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/758/244/0fd.jpg This just makes me laugh every time I see it
23:03.13Hachimanolol
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23:11.34AdmiralPandahi all
23:13.32HachimanHai
23:13.57The_Randomnessey
23:14.31ExternalFichai
23:17.53DrodoEmpiretest
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23:21.42DrodoEmpireHello again
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23:29.38DrodoEmpireHey
23:30.03Liquid_InkHello
23:30.09ExternalFicHello Charles.
23:30.42Charles_MurrayHey!
23:31.08Charles_MurrayIf anyone wants to talk about fiction, I'll be on for a little bit longer ;)
23:48.35dromHeck, ffmpeg is one of a complex tool
23:48.38dromBut it works

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