| 00:01.21 | Technobliterator | The war droid |
| 00:02.03 | Technobliterator | wtf does this game want me to do to beat it |
| 00:02.42 | Monet | Oh yeah that thing's an ass |
| 00:03.10 | Monet | Trying to remember I think there might have been a console that can make it weaker. |
| 00:03.28 | Monet | Not certain though. If not, just toss grenades at it. |
| 00:05.20 | TekHatesWikia | Wormy_: 800+ comments so far and at best I've seen a single somewhat positive one |
| 00:06.05 | Wormy_ | Goes to show Wikia's replies are false |
| 00:07.35 | TekHatesWikia | Users, Wiki admins, it's not like it's a small specific group. This is virtually everybody from most devices and screensizes |
| 00:07.46 | Wormy_ | yep |
| 00:08.14 | Wormy_ | Some replies are like "We are on it!" |
| 00:11.26 | Technobliterator | Don't hold your breath |
| 00:11.43 | Technobliterator | They didn't listen when they introduced Oasis, I doubt they'll listen now |
| 00:12.03 | TekHatesWikia | It looks mostly decent on my secondary 1366x768 screen, but my laptop's 1920x1080 screen has way too much empty space |
| 00:12.51 | Wormy_ | I've switched to monobook. I think it echos my wiki philosophy anyway |
| 00:12.55 | TekHatesWikia | Oh god, and I just noticed the text |
| 00:13.19 | TekHatesWikia | Congratulations wikia, I'm now headdesking |
| 00:13.30 | Wormy_ | The one thing I did like was Wikia's highlighted code |
| 00:13.36 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Aeoneonatrix/Religion#Other_Religions New Section. Monet Hachiman TekHatesWikia thoughts? |
| 00:16.04 | TekHatesWikia | The Sporewiki UI could use some optimizations for monobook but it actually isn't too bad |
| 00:16.48 | TekHatesWikia | O.o I switched to monobook and there was a notification about Darkspore being announced |
| 00:17.36 | TekHatesWikia | Also an article of the week and a post from 2010. XD |
| 00:18.07 | Technobliterator | yep |
| 00:18.15 | Technobliterator | abandoned skin is abandoner |
| 00:18.22 | Technobliterator | Abandoned* |
| 00:18.50 | TekHatesWikia | Monobook also doesn't have links to things like recent pictures |
| 00:19.30 | Monet | Aeo: "The Empire imposes no legal penalty for worship of non-cleanserist gods so long as they are not real and malicious entities" Chrisitan - But...Jesus is real. |
| 00:19.50 | Technobliterator | oh, now I have to kill some Sith Governor |
| 00:20.06 | TekHatesWikia | Yeah... that's a very flawed policy |
| 00:20.07 | Monet | You "may" recognise him |
| 00:20.26 | Technobliterator | how do I fight this guy? |
| 00:20.42 | Monet | Bastilla |
| 00:21.28 | Technobliterator | yeah, I have her |
| 00:21.59 | Aeo | Monet: Well, the Cleanser knows better than the Christian. The Cleanser also probably lets the Christian think that it's because Jesus is non-malicious that he lets it pass. |
| 00:22.21 | TekHatesWikia | I'm not entirely sure I understand |
| 00:22.26 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:22.32 | DrodoEmpire | Well... |
| 00:23.08 | Hachiman | I am of the mindset that Jesus was a real individual |
| 00:23.09 | Monet | TekHatesWikia: Basically Cleanser, being the head of state and the one who passes the laws, is ultimate authority o nthe mater because he's a god. |
| 00:23.13 | Hachiman | Just not a miracle-worker |
| 00:23.26 | TekHatesWikia | Hachiman: same. |
| 00:23.34 | Aeo | Governments do not wait for the universal agreement of their populace before they use a piece of demonstrably true information. Countries with 1 or more climate denialist citizens have passed laws to combat climate change. |
| 00:24.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: He was probably a real, historical, individual, yes. Miracles are a little nutty though |
| 00:24.06 | TekHatesWikia | ^ |
| 00:24.24 | Aeo | I meant real in the sense of being a God. I agree that he existed. |
| 00:25.00 | Hachiman | Aeo: What about primitive cultures that support and value worship of physical individuals as "gods"? |
| 00:25.50 | Hachiman | Oh wait you just answered my question |
| 00:25.56 | Hachiman | Redact that |
| 00:26.18 | Monet | I think the main reason this policy works in the Aeoneonatrix Empire is because parliament can simply ask Cleanser for verification. |
| 00:27.04 | TekHatesWikia | So doesn't this policy effectively only allow you to practice non-cleanserist religions if you're willing to admit it's false? |
| 00:27.12 | Aeo | Hachiman: Yeah, I should amend that. The point of the rule is the fact that, at least in my fiction, it's clear that worship makes an essence-being more powerful, so it is not permitted that one give power to a wicked immortal. |
| 00:28.00 | Monet | TekHatesWikia: Sounds like it. |
| 00:28.31 | Monet | Or you're only allowed to pracice a non-cleanserist religion that the government knows is false. |
| 00:28.40 | Aeo | TekHatesWikia: I'll explain it this way. A problem that Christian missionaries face is that when they try to convert people from Eastern polytheistic religions, they end up adding Jesus to their pantheon and doing nothing else. I know a guy who has personally met Christian polytheists who worship their ancestral pagan gods as well as the Christian one. |
| 00:28.48 | Monet | I guess they could lie to the non-cleanserists |
| 00:29.52 | Monet | Aeo: Further east, in China and Japan, I suppose missionaries have the issue that locals will adopt christian customs but also mix them with Buddhist, Shinto and Taoist customs. |
| 00:30.09 | TekHatesWikia | It's a bit of a catch-22 for non-cleanserists, either they must admit their god isn't real, or face penalties by their government |
| 00:30.16 | Hachiman | This is why Hachiman does not desire a cult; too much bother with the religious aspect of it all when he is not a religious person in the first place hur |
| 00:30.38 | Hachiman | Well I mean he does effectively serve a higher power but he does not worship it |
| 00:30.41 | Wormy_ | I learned that the reason many Germanic tribes adopted Christianity was they expected the Christian God would give them more power in battle, so still had pagan attitudes. |
| 00:31.12 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Interesting |
| 00:31.16 | Aeo | They don't have to admit their god isn't real. They can believe in their god so long as they take the rite of dedication. If you believe in 20 gods, you don't have to say that they're not real to discover and worship a 21st. |
| 00:32.11 | Aeo | The Cleanser does not demand monolotry. In fact, he will command his followers to worship other Patrons when they need assistance to complete a difficult task. |
| 00:32.40 | Aeo | Any Aeoneonatrix, including all of the named ones, will have worshiped all 9 current patrons. |
| 00:32.59 | Aeo | The Cleanser more than the others, but all 9 at some point in their lives. |
| 00:33.00 | DrodoEmpire | Except the way I know of it is that the Aeos tend to rather forcefully convert peoples. :L I got the impression that syncretism. :p |
| 00:33.03 | Monet | Kelsos - The Inquisition seriously needs to start sending operatives over there |
| 00:33.12 | DrodoEmpire | *syncretism wasn't at all common because of that |
| 00:34.12 | Aeo | Monet: They are welcome. The inquisition would be a very welcome addition to I am Enligtenment. Two Empires run by gods, both of which brainwash their citizenry and one of which teleported from another galaxy. |
| 00:34.16 | Wormy_ | Does the Cleanser think he is of divinity? |
| 00:34.34 | Hachiman | For Hachiman, the true power one should rely upon is that of the self hur |
| 00:34.45 | Monet | Sarec - Aye |
| 00:35.22 | Aeo | Wormy_ What exactly do you mean? He considers himself a god. He'd admit that someone could define the word "god" in a way that doesn't include him, but thinks definitions that do are more useful. |
| 00:35.26 | Wormy_ | And by that, of supernatural / supervenint power or moral right. |
| 00:35.47 | Aeo | Well, he does have supernatural powers, and thinks he's in the moral right. |
| 00:36.27 | Wormy_ | The thing is he lives in a reality with lots of such beings |
| 00:36.45 | Aeo | DrodoEmpire: To the Aeoneonatrix, getting someone to take the rite is conversion. They care not for your other gods, which your children won't believe in anyway because they'll be more likely to believe the Cleanser that they're not real. |
| 00:36.50 | Wormy_ | How does he see himself in relation to those? |
| 00:37.04 | Aeo | Those are other gods. |
| 00:37.35 | Aeo | He is on the same level as them in terms of power, but he is the most morally pure of them all, with all others failing, some only slightly, some moreso, some being evil. |
| 00:37.54 | DrodoEmpire | Hold up a sec |
| 00:38.22 | DrodoEmpire | How exactly are you allowed to have a god character? :p I thought we were supposed to hold off on those from now on. |
| 00:38.22 | Wormy_ | And would he accept that he may not be able to overwhelm the lot of them? |
| 00:38.45 | Wormy_ | Because he also lives in a reality where other such beings have fell to mortals |
| 00:38.58 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: Cleanser's an ascended being |
| 00:39.20 | Hachiman | I find it funny that Hachiman will have attained the status of a powerful Essential by the 2800s and one of the first things he is likely going to do once he finds that he now controls his own path is apply for academic education to get a degree or something |
| 00:39.37 | Aeo | Drodo: He's nothing that Iovera isn't. The difference is that he uses a nomenclature in which he is a god, and Iovera is too. |
| 00:39.45 | TekHatesWikia | DrodoEmpire: I think that rule refers more to reality-level gods rather than normal asended |
| 00:40.42 | Aeo | Technically, he is a 'Nar, but there are loads of those. Actually, I could see Aeoneonatrix worshiping Serec, or even Tyraz. |
| 00:41.20 | Hachiman | I would hold off on using "Nar" to term Cleanser given he does not inhibit a lot of the traits typical of the Nars |
| 00:42.03 | Monet | Hachiman: I thikn this was discussed before and in a way he is I think. But the Isio'Nar see him as bigheaded and the Mali'Nar see ihm as a noob |
| 00:42.09 | Aeo | Impy and I have agreed that the League are. |
| 00:42.30 | Hachiman | Fair enough |
| 00:44.07 | Monet | Now I'm curious what these missing traits are |
| 00:44.25 | Hachiman | A general understanding of neutrality and open-mindedness |
| 00:46.02 | Hachiman | While the understanding of the self grants the individual their power much of the time, it is the understanding of the other that grants the individual the responsibility to wield their power properly and with consideration |
| 00:46.06 | Aeo | That's precisely the beef the League had. They split from the main Isio'Nar because they were too inactive and restrictive. They thought that they could do more good not bothering to conceal themselves. |
| 00:46.50 | Hachiman | Effectively this cycles back into the "with great power" philosophy |
| 00:47.36 | Aeo | Judge - Yep. In Isio'Land, with great power comes the great responsibility to sit on your ass and do nothing with it. |
| 00:48.06 | Monet | Sarec - Because sometimes with great power comes great ego. |
| 00:48.44 | Wormy_ | Emperor Wormulus - heh |
| 00:49.04 | Aeo | Judge - 'Snot my fault I'm better than you. |
| 00:49.23 | Wormy_ | I believe I haven't emphasised enough Wormulus is an ascended being |
| 00:49.30 | Monet | Sarec - You just proved me right you know. |
| 00:49.32 | Hachiman | Wormulus is ascended? |
| 00:50.28 | Wormy_ | Yes, he is powerful enough to have survived the purge in the March of the Apocalypse |
| 00:50.38 | Wormy_ | He took full the brunt |
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| 00:50.39 | Hachiman | Huh fair enough |
| 00:50.43 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
| 00:51.10 | Wormy_ | He is ascended with elemental energy though, rather than something too fancy |
| 00:51.16 | TekHatesWikia | Hello |
| 00:51.20 | AdmiralPanda | what did I miss |
| 00:51.24 | Hachiman | Elemental energy is still potent and versatile |
| 00:51.32 | AdmiralPanda | lol why do you hate wikia Tek? |
| 00:51.32 | Hachiman | Not much really |
| 00:51.43 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Look at the site |
| 00:51.47 | Aeo | Judge - What point was that? That I think I'm better than you? I also think water is wet, punk. |
| 00:51.57 | Hachiman | Check out the new skin update and if you cannot see it, F5 it |
| 00:52.26 | Hachiman | They shifted the text to size 16 font and made the site narrower |
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| 00:52.33 | Monet | Sarec - Resorting to name-callign already? |
| 00:52.37 | Monet | Hello |
| 00:52.40 | AdmiralPanda | looks the same to me actually |
| 00:52.43 | GD12 | Hello |
| 00:52.52 | Hachiman | Desktop or laptop? |
| 00:52.54 | Monet | http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Draconis-Rework-2015-534137343 also drew this. |
| 00:53.06 | Wormy_ | There's a bloodline in the Wormulus ancestry where each leader lives longer and longer, with more and more power |
| 00:53.06 | AdmiralPanda | laptop currently, looked in both Safari and Chrome |
| 00:53.12 | Hachiman | Yeah try desktop |
| 00:53.19 | Wormy_ | There is no reason it stops at Wormulus II |
| 00:53.23 | Hachiman | Monet: wheres da peenis |
| 00:53.38 | Monet | Draconis - INSIDE! |
| 00:53.51 | Aeo | Hachiman: In my mouth... I wish. |
| 00:54.01 | Hachiman | Jokes aside that is a very nice render of the Draconis |
| 00:54.17 | Monet | Aeo: Yeah you probably *don't* want a Draconis 'hemipene i nyour mouth. |
| 00:54.33 | Aeo | Wait, we were talking about a Draconis. Nevermind. |
| 00:55.00 | Wormy_ | That might rupture your neck vertebrae |
| 00:55.13 | Monet | Hachiman: that protrusion is the bionics idea I was talking about earler. |
| 00:55.22 | Monet | protrusion behind his shoulder* |
| 00:55.25 | GD12 | Monet : nice! |
| 00:55.34 | Aeo | I only beej nice people. |
| 00:55.38 | GD12 | whats the protrusion? |
| 00:56.21 | Monet | GD12: Bionics that opens up and unfolds into a full-sized wing |
| 00:56.29 | GD12 | Ooh |
| 00:56.31 | Aeo | Wormy_ Though I think you underestimate the enginuity of horny people. If a human and a Draconis wanted to, they'd find a way. |
| 00:56.31 | GD12 | Nice |
| 00:56.51 | Hachiman | A human should not penetrate a Draconis' cloaca |
| 00:56.56 | Hachiman | They piss and shit from there |
| 00:57.18 | AdmiralPanda | there are humans into anal, just saying |
| 00:57.41 | Wormy_ | .Aeo: Very carefully. |
| 00:57.46 | TekHatesWikia | This conversation took an odd turn. |
| 00:58.28 | Hachiman | Aye let us not have the IRC befall debauchery once again |
| 00:58.36 | Hachiman | It is only acceptable and funny when I do it |
| 00:58.38 | Aeo | I actually had in mind something more along the lines of just licking it and not taking it inside your mouth, perhaps while stroking it or something. |
| 00:58.47 | Monet | Actually I think I considered a hole below where the belly-button would be on a human that acted as the vagina. |
| 00:58.52 | TekHatesWikia | ... |
| 00:58.55 | Hachiman | I SAID |
| 00:58.58 | Monet | I'll stop now lol |
| 00:59.10 | GD12 | y'all need jesus |
| 00:59.19 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:00.02 | Wormy_ | But not up your bum |
| 01:00.15 | TekHatesWikia | I'm not sure what's worse, the discussion of interspecies alien intercourse, or the fact we've worked out the logistics of it already. |
| 01:00.21 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:00.58 | Hachiman | That actually reminds me, I wanted to bring up a subject not outright pertaining to interspecies alien intercourse but something affiliated and philosophical |
| 01:01.31 | GD12 | so |
| 01:01.39 | GD12 | the ethics of interspecies alien intercourse? |
| 01:02.01 | GD12 | as in would there be honor killings if a human tried to fist a Draconis' cloaca |
| 01:02.04 | Hachiman | Would the idea of romantic relationships between otherwise alien species be morally and ethically acceptable for higher tier societies and be comparable to inter-ethnic romance in our current age |
| 01:02.29 | AdmiralPanda | For the Fordanta definately |
| 01:02.55 | GD12 | Well one must take into consideration that love probably means different things and happens differently for all of the races in volved |
| 01:03.02 | GD12 | *love/relationships |
| 01:03.29 | GD12 | Furthermore, it might be possible that in a species' sexuality they may biologically not be able to form attraction to other species |
| 01:03.48 | GD12 | e.g. Frogs never attempt to mate with sharks |
| 01:03.51 | Hachiman | That is true but for the most part a vast majority of the species depicted in the Fictionverse follow a universal spiritual and philosophical understanding of love or something close to it |
| 01:04.00 | Monet | Draconis male - None of you ladies smell right, sorry. |
| 01:04.21 | GD12 | Working under that assumption possible |
| 01:04.32 | GD12 | Though keep in mind that lots of people in the ficverse re more xenophobic than irl |
| 01:04.39 | Aeo | I would say it's definitely acceptable to have sex with an alien, however that worked. Never. Underestimate. Horny. People. |
| 01:04.48 | GD12 | Its probably viewed closer to interrace relationships in say Victorian england |
| 01:04.50 | GD12 | than now |
| 01:04.54 | AdmiralPanda | we're not talking about sex, we're talking about relationships |
| 01:05.07 | Aeo | Well, that's acceptable too. |
| 01:05.38 | Aeo | One thing to keep in mind is that asexual people who do not experience sexual attraction will still have sex because it makes their partner happy. |
| 01:05.38 | GD12 | I think given that a lot societies in the Gig are more traditional and closed than cosmopolitan there are certainly more taboos on average |
| 01:06.06 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo, considering how close-knit their families are, may not be totally okay with interspecies relationships. :p What family is that alien from? What connections does that alien family have? Where is that alien's family? Does it understand the concept of family? |
| 01:06.08 | Aeo | And I don't mean that in an apeasement way. If you love someone, you want them to be happy. |
| 01:06.09 | DrodoEmpire | Depends a lot though |
| 01:06.45 | GD12 | It probably has much more to do with the culture the alien is raised in rather than its genetic makeup |
| 01:06.49 | Wormy_ | The Civilisation has projects deeper than sexual intercourse, the melding of minds, experience and feeling |
| 01:07.01 | Aeo | Monet: You can get those pheromones bottles, remember? |
| 01:07.25 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as marriages are often a political action as well; Binding two houses together. It doesn't work out when one family is pretty loose or doesn't agree with the whole political marriage idea, or if the alien has no family to speak of. |
| 01:07.33 | GD12 | Yeah I've heard of those pheremone bottles |
| 01:07.46 | Monet | hehehehe |
| 01:07.54 | GD12 | I think marriages are only politcal actions amongst the elite of society |
| 01:08.03 | GD12 | I think its much more predicated on other things for most others |
| 01:08.34 | Aeo | So, if I wanted to, I could buy a bottle, spray it on myself, and have a very special hug of the sort I mentioned earlier... though if the pheramone was too strong, I would be date raping the Draconis in question. |
| 01:08.38 | DrodoEmpire | GD: This is Drodo we're talking about. No only do an aristocracy exist but families and clans in general are *extremely* tight-knit and important in Drodo politics |
| 01:08.52 | DrodoEmpire | And inter-clan politics, and whatnot |
| 01:09.11 | Monet | Aeo: Might be more the other way around |
| 01:09.30 | GD12 | rite i c, so everybody is in a clan? |
| 01:09.38 | Monet | But again, not entirely talking about nintercourse |
| 01:09.45 | Monet | So stop taking it to sex for now |
| 01:09.50 | DrodoEmpire | Almost every Drodo had a family or is in a clan, yeah/ |
| 01:09.56 | DrodoEmpire | These families tend to be gigantic |
| 01:10.08 | GD12 | Right so it makes sense that marriages would be political for essentially all of them |
| 01:10.13 | DrodoEmpire | And one of, if not *the*, primary influence on a Drodo |
| 01:10.55 | Wormy_ | Goodbye. |
| 01:11.07 | GD12 | bai |
| 01:11.10 | Aeo | Well, in terms of romance, people are after personalities first and foremost, so any species that can exist in the same atmosphere and such can and will form romantic relationships. Gender is social, so romantic orientation will proceed according to how people think of their partners. |
| 01:11.17 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta don't do the whole marriage thing, in fact most of them don't really know their family with the exception of their bloodline just because it's not important to them |
| 01:11.50 | GD12 | I think things like a Human - (not too posh) alien race relationship would be more workable than say something like a Human - (don't want to spoil my blood with inferior genes) alien relationship |
| 01:12.15 | Aeo | Well yeah... obviously. |
| 01:12.30 | GD12 | ON your romance comment, I think people are after general compatibility first |
| 01:12.42 | Monet | Maybe Drodo could take solace i nthat without science, there can be no pollution of bloodlines |
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| 02:34.22 | Aeo | Aeon - Why do you confine them to subcitizenship if not because you hate them? |
| 02:34.27 | Charles_Murray | (It would only work in conjunction with growing popular support inside the DI) |
| 02:34.43 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - You enslave and oppress people, and when you don't do that you kill and rape them all, and burn and pillage their cities. |
| 02:34.45 | Charles_Murray | (The idea would be to raise awareness about it by making a fuss) |
| 02:34.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | Eh true |
| 02:34.58 | Monet | Draconis - Because we'l like to preserve their identities. |
| 02:35.14 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - If you wanted to do that you wouldn't invade at all |
| 02:35.14 | Aeo | Aeon - Why don't you give them full citizenship instead? |
| 02:35.22 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - And you certainly wouldn't disperse them |
| 02:35.33 | Monet | Draconis - Because then the identities they came in with might be lost. |
| 02:35.50 | Aeo | Aeon - ... Seriously? |
| 02:36.04 | Monet | Draconis - Hello!! Spires of gold and glass? |
| 02:36.08 | Aeo | Aeon - You think that enslaving them will make their culture... more likely to be preserved? |
| 02:36.30 | Monet | Draconis - Yes. |
| 02:37.11 | Monet | Draconis - We establish enclaves that serve as territory they can develop and profilerate in. SOme enclaves have become quite prosperous and beautiful with time and progress. |
| 02:37.38 | Aeo | Aeon - I am sorry, my friend. I misjudged you entirely. I thought you were a hateful, spite-filled pile of excrement who could do well with a big ole knife in your heart, but you are not like that at all. |
| 02:37.56 | Monet | Draconis - Are you going to call me worse? |
| 02:38.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Hmm... Because this worked out well with native reservations, yes? |
| 02:38.29 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - But now with the added facet that they're forced to work |
| 02:38.52 | Monet | Draconis - No more forced by law than any full citizen. |
| 02:39.05 | Aeo | Aeon - In reality, you are simply the most brainless simpleton in the gigaquadrant. I'll let you decide if that's worse or not. |
| 02:39.27 | Monet | Draconis - A simple "yes" would have been more eloquent. |
| 02:39.49 | Aeo | Aeon - And yet lacking in necessary detail. |
| 02:40.02 | Monet | Draconis - And less offensive. |
| 02:40.43 | Monet | (the Aeon just broke a big rule that has rarely been broken in canon - Never call Draconis morons) |
| 02:40.52 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Considering you're the same people who destroy entire cultures and peoples for looking at you the wrong way, and forcing the rest to work as slaves. You have little right to say what is and isn't offensive. |
| 02:40.58 | Comrade_Vinny | Algolurn - I personally don't discriminate any alien species. As long as they have 2 hand for working ^^ |
| 02:41.14 | Aeo | Aeon - I give as many shits about your feelings as there have been sla-- oopes, subcitizens in the entire 200,000 year history of the DI who have been freed. |
| 02:41.37 | Knight_Alien | Eldarisian's: Why not kill the rest? |
| 02:41.43 | Monet | Draconis - That's a lot of shit to give. |
| 02:41.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Ha ha! You're a moron! (There I did it! Bite me asshole! >:3) |
| 02:42.05 | Aeo | Aeon - Unless monet has retconned that, it's 0. |
| 02:42.33 | Monet | (it happens lol) |
| 02:43.02 | Aeo | (I was to understand only the Paragon could do it, not even the sub in question's owner.) |
| 02:43.20 | Monet | (probably more outdated info) |
| 02:43.53 | Monet | Draconis - And I thought I said that they're as pressured to work as any full citizen of the Imperium? |
| 02:44.44 | Aeo | Aeon - And that was a lie... or else another ret-con, as your writer has told me that you can beat them as long as it's for an actual offense and they aren't hospitalized. |
| 02:45.33 | Monet | Draconis - That would be classified as assault by Domestic Security so no I can't. |
| 02:45.58 | Aeo | Aeon - So... how do you arrange that they work? |
| 02:46.26 | Monet | Draconis - Contracts. |
| 02:46.42 | Aeo | Aeon - Which they sign consentually? |
| 02:46.47 | Monet | Draconis - Yes. |
| 02:47.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - So what's the point of having a sub-class, exactly? |
| 02:47.09 | Aeo | Aeon - Do they have to work for you as their owner? |
| 02:47.12 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Seems totally unnecessary. |
| 02:47.14 | Monet | Draconis - That and there's always a group who dedicate themselves to their enclave's community. |
| 02:47.52 | Aeo | Aeon - So, basically, it's a group of employees with no power because they either work for you or starve. |
| 02:48.20 | Monet | Draconis - These groups form themselves. |
| 02:48.23 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Work or starve? That's basically how most societies function, to be honest. |
| 02:48.53 | Aeo | Aeon - *For you* being operative, mister Fordanta. |
| 02:49.31 | Monet | Draconis - As I said, the sub-citizen system is largely for the preservation of cultural identity in societies that .the Imperial Government declares war on. |
| 02:49.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Yeah, right. |
| 02:50.20 | Monet | Draconis - And here I thought you were beginnign ot understand |
| 02:50.21 | Aeo | Aeon - Still not buying it. Why not just let them live with the same legal rights as you? |
| 02:50.24 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - And if I were to believe that, I suppose a Nigerian Prince also has a couple million ready to transfer to my bank account? |
| 02:50.56 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And that changes what exactly? Clearly their civilisation as a whole has failed, most likely due to improper conduct of their duties, and they should be grateful that the Imperium has even allowed them to continue to live let alone retain their culture. |
| 02:51.25 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - No, they didn't *fail*, they were attacked by an imperialist power. |
| 02:51.36 | Monet | Draconis - How is it only the Fordanta gets it? |
| 02:51.59 | Aeo | Aeon - I am going to rape your children. You should be thankful I don't murder them too. |
| 02:52.05 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Because they seem to have a similar air of arrogance you do. |
| 02:52.18 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - Its nonsense not to give them equal rights. It totally arbitary not to. |
| 02:52.34 | Aeo | Aeon - And they're amoral genocidal maniacs... if I'm not mistaken. |
| 02:52.44 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - In Fordan society the place of the individual is determined solely by their contribution to society. |
| 02:53.01 | Aeo | Aeon - Now, answer my fucking question. Why can't you let them live as your equals? |
| 02:53.05 | Monet | Draconis - The Imperial government makes it a point of honour that the only powers deserved of our guns are those who slight up. |
| 02:53.08 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And the reason we favour genocidal tactics is history has demonstrated that an enemy left alive is an enemy waiting to strike again. |
| 02:53.17 | DrodoEmpire_ | Drodo - ...And all people should have an equal opportunity to prove themselves worthy to society. So why arbitrarily put some behind with legal restrictions? |
| 02:53.34 | Aeo | Aeon - Now, answer my fucking question. Why can't you let them live as your equals? I'm not going to say anything else until you do. |
| 02:53.46 | DrodoEmpire_ | Anyway I need to do. |
| 02:53.46 | Monet | Draconis - GOod. |
| 02:53.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | *go |
| 02:54.01 | Aeo | Aeon - Why can't you let them live as your equals? |
| 02:54.33 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - As I was saying before the Aeon insulted our society, if their culture had earned the ire of the Draconis, it is entirely the fault of the culture that first they incurred the wrath of said people, and secondly that they failed to sustain themselves. |
| 02:56.40 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Perhaps I should remind those present that at one point the Fordanta and Draconis nearly came to blows, but through careful diplomacy and a measured approach, such war was avoided. The Draconis are not unreasonable, though like our own their enemies often are. |
| 02:57.37 | Monet | Draconis - Exactly. We can be reasonable, and the Imperium is of suc an extent that it can provide for itself, no need for war really but some aliens don't seem to get that. |
| 02:57.45 | Aeo | Aeon - The fact that you refuse to answer my question tells me that you are either afraid to admit the real reason or do not know of one. Now, I am going to go spend some time with the live-in servants I do not oppress. Good day sir. |
| 02:57.53 | Aeo | (brb dinner.) |
| 02:58.03 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - As to why such individuals should be held at a lesser social state, it is simply because they ARE at a lesser social state. The Draconis have no obligation to uplift those who interfere with galactic conduct, and as I said they should be grateful that they have been given a stay of execution. |
| 02:58.06 | Monet | Draconis - Then there's the empires that hire pirates as proxy hoping to take the Imperium's wealth. |
| 02:59.03 | Monet | Draconis - The alien does not opperss except for anyone who lives in his empire and isn't "dedicated" to his god. |
| 03:00.13 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Effort dedicated to anything other than the betterment of the society is effort wasted. |
| 03:00.49 | Monet | Draconis - Betterment in their empire's case being their god's servants. |
| 03:02.59 | Monet | Draconis - The only jsutification the alien has given is there is no formal legislation expressley allowing or forbidding this kind of opperssion. |
| 03:08.58 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Which is no justification because as he stated, their biology makes upward mobility impossible- why legislate what cannot happen? |
| 03:09.08 | Aeo | Aeon - Come look at Podenka treatment. They are not oppressed. |
| 03:10.26 | Monet | Draconis - Being given fewer rights o nthe grounds of religious belief is oppression. |
| 03:11.14 | Aeo | Aeon - Podenka are not undedicated. |
| 03:11.16 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - The humans define "oppression" as burdensome, cruel or unjust exercising of authority by one party on another. Preventing a creature's upward mobility due to religion or biology is certainly unjust. |
| 03:11.38 | Monet | Draconis - All Podenka? What about any Podenka who refuse? |
| 03:12.54 | Aeo | Aeon - Even though we rescued them from the Drakodominatus only a few decades ago, generations have passed. Their culture is as religious as ours. |
| 03:13.37 | Monet | Draconis - And I take it their religuous beliefs have become in-line with yours? |
| 03:14.05 | Monet | Draconis - I know that sort of thing doesn't happen without some manner of influence or encouragement. |
| 03:14.58 | Aeo | Aeon - It happens when you show a tribal society your spaceship and your talking god. |
| 03:16.09 | Monet | Draconis - And that is exactly why the IMperium prefer to leave tribal cultures be. Congratulations, for now you have no way of knowing how the Podenka would have developed had you not been so careless. |
| 03:17.06 | Aeo | Aeon - But where the undedicated are concerned, explain why a person of sound character such that they should be allowed to vote, lead, or accumulate wealth would refuse dedication despite living in the AE where it is ubiquitous. Also, I do know how. They would have been biodroned by the tyranny who was conquering them when we swooped in and saved them. |
| 03:17.10 | Monet | Draconis - You may justify your actions by rescuing the mfro mthe Drakodminatus but you could have simply let them be, perhaps protected them fro mafar. |
| 03:18.07 | Monet | Draconis - The Podenka no longer have a distinct identity. |
| 03:18.16 | Aeo | Aeon - Their planet was lost. Only the people were rescued. |
| 03:18.39 | Monet | Draconis - Settle them on another suitable world, the galaxy is a big place |
| 03:19.16 | Aeo | Aeon - Shouldn't they at least have a say as to where they want to be located? |
| 03:20.32 | Monet | Draconis - THey can have a choice, but what do tribals know of the interconenctivity of planets that permits a star system to be life-bearing. |
| 03:22.23 | Aeo | Aeon - I don't understand how your question is relevant. Also, please answer my question from a second ago. |
| 03:22.45 | Monet | Draconis - I just did. |
| 03:22.51 | Aeo | Aeon - Explain why a person of sound character such that they should be allowed to vote, lead, or accumulate wealth would refuse dedication despite living in the AE where it is ubiquitous. |
| 03:23.04 | Aeo | Aeon - That was the question I meant. |
| 03:23.53 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Their own personal beliefs. |
| 03:24.14 | Monet | Draconis - Perhaps it conflicts with their philosophies? We *are* talking about offering an individual's own eternal soul after all. Some might protest at such a bargain. |
| 03:25.04 | Monet | Draconis - Essentially your arguemnt boils down to "Why would a sound person reguse? Everyone else does it" |
| 03:25.10 | Monet | refuse* |
| 03:25.39 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Fordanta who have attained citizenship in the Draconid Imperium does not bend his knee to Drakon (forgot how to spell it) simply because Draconis do, he remains a Fordanta in all things. |
| 03:26.02 | Monet | (you got it right) |
| 03:26.43 | Aeo | Aeon - What beliefs would a person who was sound hold mutually exclusive with selling your soul? |
| 03:27.15 | Monet | Draconis - Oh how naive you are of other cultures. |
| 03:27.30 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - That is so piteously naive. |
| 03:27.37 | Monet | Draconis - If these undedicated are as free as you say, they can always emigrate. |
| 03:27.37 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Dammit ninja'd |
| 03:27.54 | Aeo | Aeon - You're right. They can. |
| 03:28.06 | Monet | Draconis - Or do you add soem kind of difficulty t oit? |
| 03:28.54 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - I note in your own publicly available records that the undedicated face social difficulties due to having not undertaken the rite. How you claim moral ground against the Empire, which views its citizens purely based on their merit and contribution to society is beyond me. |
| 03:29.33 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Furthermore, your society denies these undedicated members a portion of their due rewards for their duty simply because they choose not to undergo the rite- under Fordan law this is unforgivable. |
| 03:30.13 | Aeo | Monet: That is a very good point. I do not know how they handle such immigration. I suspect they'd put a high tax on inter-national flights for the undedicated. Like, unaffordably high, given the soul tax. |
| 03:31.14 | Aeo | Aeon - If they can afford to leave from a money standpoint, they can. Now, calling me naive does not actually answer my question as to what sound beliefs would prevent one from taking the rite. |
| 03:32.32 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - The belief that the spark of life- the closest equivalent the Fordanta have to a soul- is an inherent belonging of the being and that only they may decide its course- selling it is akin to becoming worse than a slave to the Fordanta |
| 03:33.18 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And before you suggest that selling it might be an example of deciding its course, this is a crucial misunderstanding as to do so would allow another to force upon said spark their own will. |
| 03:33.53 | Aeo | Aeon - Dedication is not enslavement at all. Here's an article about that. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Dedication_is_not_Enslavement |
| 03:34.04 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - To the Fordanta it is. |
| 03:34.09 | Monet | Draconis - So what you suggest is that i nessence, the Aeoneonatrix are an entire empire of slaves to a nigh -mperceptable master kept who are all kept in a gilded cage. |
| 03:34.32 | Monet | that is classified as an empire* |
| 03:34.48 | Aeo | Aeon - HA! Hey, Cleanser, this Draconis thinks you're nigh-imperceptable. |
| 03:35.01 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - You have proven your own naivety, as you see only your own perspective- your lack of empathy to others is clear and evident by your own admission. |
| 03:35.02 | Aeo | Cleanser - Lol. I talk to this boy every day. |
| 03:35.30 | Monet | Draconis - Then why is this i the first time I have heard his voice despite living for 300 years? |
| 03:36.11 | Aeo | Aeon - I've had more conversations with him than with anyone. As for lacking empathy, I've never killed or enslaved anyone. As for that question, Draconis, because he had no reason to talk to you. |
| 03:36.27 | AdmiralPanda | Out of curiosity, is the Aeon's link to the Cleanser in any way associated with essence? |
| 03:36.41 | Aeo | AP: Yes. |
| 03:36.42 | Monet | Presumably |
| 03:36.56 | Aeo | Presumably any immortal could talk with any mortal like they do. |
| 03:37.01 | AdmiralPanda | ftw* |
| 03:37.04 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Hey look, I can cut off your access to him just by walking up to you! Blanks few! |
| 03:37.32 | AdmiralPanda | little more complicated than that but Fordanta, like other essence-blank races, can disrupt essence just by proximity :P |
| 03:38.05 | Aeo | Aeon - It's based on his powers, not mine, and good luck disrupting those even if you're giving him a hug. |
| 03:38.46 | Monet | Draconis - Your lack of lack empathy manifests in not understanding beyond your own cultural values, in this case, not realising that there are cultural values i nthe universe that see the selling of one's soul to anyone as abhorrent. |
| 03:38.55 | Monet | your lack of empathy manifests* |
| 03:39.54 | Aeo | Aeon - Anyone who just randomly rejects that is not sound. It's the same type of person who would abolish organ donation upon death just because you can't say no, or let anti-vaccers leave their children vulnurable to dissease. |
| 03:40.24 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - There is no random rejection here, only a measured and honest refusal of something that is abhorrent to their culture. |
| 03:40.49 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - "Random" would be if I were to flip a fair coin, heads meaning I dedicate, tails meaning I don't. |
| 03:40.50 | Aeo | (Organ donation is compulsary in the AE. No matter how much you kick and scream, you can't not give them up when you die.) |
| 03:41.19 | Monet | Draconis - Not everyone wants to be gutted for their organs either. |
| 03:41.31 | Aeo | Aeon - I mean random less literally than that. I should have said arbitrarily. |
| 03:41.46 | Monet | Draconis - Besides, while practical, organ extraction is a primitive solution. |
| 03:42.15 | Aeo | Aeon - Because letting people die because they can't get transplants they mean is a much saner alternative to compulsory organ donation. |
| 03:42.23 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Arbitrary is defined as being chosen based on randomness or personal whim. Decisions based on cultural values are not arbitrary decisions. |
| 03:42.26 | Monet | Draconis - In the Imperium it is much mroe practical to assemble genetically-compatable organs using a 3D printer. |
| 03:42.40 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Organ donation is obsolete due to medical science. |
| 03:43.08 | Monet | Draconis - Less mess and much lower chance of rejection. |
| 03:44.13 | Aeo | Aeon - I was speaking of when I was younger and we didn't have that technology. I didn't make myself clear. My bad. |
| 03:44.39 | Monet | Draconis - In other words you were using an outdated example. |
| 03:44.53 | Aeo | Aeon - Let me rephrase my question. What sound cultural value would soul-selling contradict? |
| 03:45.13 | Monet | Draconis - The FOrdanta did answer that question |
| 03:45.15 | Aeo | Aeon - My vaccine example was modern. |
| 03:45.17 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - That of the Fordanta. |
| 03:45.31 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - The ideal that each person's essential spark is their own, and is not to be made subject to others. |
| 03:45.54 | Aeo | Aeon - That's not a *sound* value. It's arbitrary. |
| 03:46.27 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Arbitrary means random or based on personal whim. It is not arbitrary as it is a cultural value established over tens of thousands of years through cultural development. |
| 03:46.28 | Monet | Draconis - Arbitrary how? The soul is a manifestation of one's individuality ,spirit and drive. |
| 03:46.57 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - To claim that our societal values are unsound or arbitrary is to say that your dedication is unsound and arbitrary |
| 03:47.47 | Monet | Draconis - And this is coming from a society that puts duty to the community above the self. |
| 03:48.11 | Aeo | Aeon - But you don't lose those things by selling it. It's just a symbol of those things. Also, that was an appeal to antiquity fallacy. That a cultural idea is old or developed organically does not make it non-arbitrary. |
| 03:48.36 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - I have literally quoted the definition of arbitrary twice. You do not understand the meaning of the word you are using. |
| 03:49.25 | Monet | Draconis - And you contradicted yourself jsut then |
| 03:49.42 | Monet | Draconis - If a cultural idea is developed organically then no, it isn't arbitrary. |
| 03:49.48 | Aeo | Aeon - Arbitrary just means without important cause. There's no reason based in facts that you hold that value. |
| 03:50.18 | Monet | Draconis - I hope you are aware enough to knwo that you are insulting Fordan culture. |
| 03:51.23 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - You hide behind your Cleanser, claiming validity through him. The Fordan concept of maintaining our essential spark originates with the first Blademaster, who proclaimed such upon the unification of the Empire. |
| 03:52.03 | Aeo | Aeon - I don't care if I'm insulting his culture. If something true is insulting to your culture, that's a problem with your culture. Also, the Cleanser is a god. Who the fuck is the first blademaster such that you must abide by him? |
| 03:52.19 | AdmiralPanda | oh boy did he just say who the fuck is the first blade master? |
| 03:52.26 | Monet | Yes he did |
| 03:52.27 | AdmiralPanda | oh god if this wasn't a co-operative community XD |
| 03:52.49 | AdmiralPanda | you literally just said why the fuck does the person who set the foundation of Fordan society matter |
| 03:52.49 | Monet | Draconis - Okay now you definitely jsut insulted Fordan culture. |
| 03:53.08 | AdmiralPanda | like, literally everything it is to be Fordan today is based on this one guy, because he set the standard |
| 03:53.11 | Monet | Draconis - In fact...I congratulate you. |
| 03:53.16 | AdmiralPanda | you just fucked up so badly |
| 03:53.21 | Aeo | Yeah. I'd say the same thing if someone's only support fot an idea was "George Washington said it." |
| 03:53.23 | AdmiralPanda | I'm actually laughing out loud right now |
| 03:53.39 | Monet | Draconis - In one heartbeat you insulted every facet of the Fordan EMpire all in one go. |
| 03:54.26 | AdmiralPanda | seriously, the entire Fordan Empire is based around the principle that the individual must perfect himself such that he improves the Empire, that the Empire might improve future generations |
| 03:54.40 | AdmiralPanda | insulting the origin of that view⦠you basically just asked for war |
| 03:54.51 | Aeo | Aeon - That you irrationally trust this blademaster is just an example of why you shouldn't be allowed to decide whether or not to commit genocide. |
| 03:55.13 | Aeo | I doubt the Fordan are so petty as to go to war over a flame war on some exonet chatroom. |
| 03:56.02 | Monet | Draconis - Had you asked "who the frak is Octavus Vospus" I might not have been as angry as the Fordanta is right now. |
| 03:56.26 | Monet | Draconis - ...you might want ot run, or teleport. O rpray. |
| 03:56.40 | Aeo | Aeon - Here's a new question for you. Please name a single large attrocity comittted by a dedicated person. Also, I have no idea who that is. Why would I know anything about your history? |
| 03:56.46 | Monet | Draconis - Prayer *might* be a good idea if it didn't involve you standing still. |
| 03:57.38 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - We trust the honoured Blademaster's wisdom because it was with this ideal that he unified the Fordan race, and its tenet has held true ever since we first called ourselves For'Dan'Ta. Even as the Empire has adapted over thousands of years this one core belief has held true. |
| 03:57.42 | Aeo | Aeon - Lol why? |
| 03:57.43 | AdmiralPanda | (had a phonecall, late reply) |
| 03:57.53 | Aeo | Strike |
| 03:58.00 | Aeo | He was responding to the Draconis |
| 03:58.03 | Aeo | to be clear. |
| 03:58.30 | AdmiralPanda | Aeo: of course they wouldn't go to war over a flamewar, but if someone influential had said that they probably would. |
| 03:58.36 | Monet | Draconis - Because very few people survive a berserk Fordanta. |
| 03:59.40 | Aeo | Aeon - Moving as that story is, to just that to justify a belief is a genetic fallacy. |
| 04:00.13 | Monet | Draconis - Also would whoever agreed to completely assimilate the Podenka into your culture count as a large-scale atrocity? |
| 04:00.26 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Every time it is tested the belief proves its worth. If it were indeed a fallacy it would have failed by now. |
| 04:00.46 | Monet | Draconis - they DID condemn the Podenka into a smaller coppy of your own society. |
| 04:00.58 | Monet | into developing into a* |
| 04:01.59 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - I imagine such a destruction of society would indeed count as an atrocity. Hard to judge for us, given that such a thing rarely happens in the Empire. |
| 04:02.05 | Aeo | Aeon - No, because no one has offered by buy your sparks before this point. As for what the Draco just said, no, it would not count. All of those Podenka see eternal happiness when they die, and they spend their lives helping support the universe's greatest force for good. |
| 04:02.53 | Monet | *the Draconis grimaces in disgust and shock* |
| 04:02.56 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And yet you have annihilated their culture. |
| 04:03.08 | Aeo | Aeon - And by the way, they would have never become sapient, because they don't live long enough to become literate, meaning they could not have developed written language. |
| 04:03.34 | Monet | Draconis - That does nto matter. |
| 04:03.39 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Fordanta become literate at the age of two. |
| 04:03.40 | Aeo | Aeon - No we've not. They still celibrate their holidays and wear their fancy hats. |
| 04:04.02 | Aeo | Aeon - They don't live to be 1. |
| 04:04.25 | AdmiralPanda | Mind linking the page to this race? Because that just seems silly |
| 04:04.28 | Aeo | Aeon - The world record is 288 days I think. |
| 04:04.55 | AdmiralPanda | a macro organism that doesn't even manage to reach 1 is a little hard to believe tbh |
| 04:04.57 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Aeoneonatrix#Member_Races |
| 04:05.39 | Aeo | Aeon - Wait, I was wrong. They now tend to live to be a little over a year old. They still don't reach two though. |
| 04:05.42 | AdmiralPanda | By growth times alone it's a little tough, they must be really tiny |
| 04:05.50 | Monet | Draconis - There is a species of sapient gas giant beings living in the Imperium and another species of insectoid that before we discovered them only had rudimerntary writing skills and still had a sitinct culture ot call their own. The insectoids were even spacefaring when we met them. |
| 04:06.13 | Monet | dsitinct* |
| 04:06.46 | Monet | Draconis - Then again the insectoids are al ltelepathically linked and their queens live for centuries.... |
| 04:06.49 | AdmiralPanda | it's actually really hard to imagine a creature that can develop that quickly |
| 04:07.02 | AdmiralPanda | as in, one with the mental capacity to attain sapience |
| 04:07.31 | Aeo | AP: Can't really refute that. |
| 04:07.41 | Monet | I tried suggesting they percieve tiem differently but Aeo said no. |
| 04:08.05 | Monet | time* |
| 04:08.25 | Aeo | Aeon - What do you mean it foes not matter if they are immeasurably better off because of what we did? If they have given up their culture through assimilation, it was their own choice. We did not force them to. |
| 04:08.46 | Aeo | Aeon - Tough again, they celibrate their holidays and wear their garb. |
| 04:09.00 | Monet | Draconis - And they accepted based on percieving you as gods. |
| 04:09.31 | AdmiralPanda | like the main reason Fordanta develop so quickly is they hatch physically fully developed, so theoretically they can start education at day 1 if necessary |
| 04:10.04 | Aeo | Aeon - Also, their short lifespans mean that their culture would change a lot in the amount of time that passed since we rescued them in any case. If anything, our long memories mean their current culture is more like that of their ancestors than their former ones. Also, no Podenka thinks we are gods. |
| 04:10.33 | Monet | Draconis - What about those you saved? |
| 04:11.17 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - So you have stagnated their evolution and cultural development. Positive change is a good thing. Furthermore, I seem to recall a few minutes ago you pointed out that holding onto old values was not something to be proud of. |
| 04:11.30 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - So either you are a hypocrite or, by your own definition, you have done them cultural harm. |
| 04:11.55 | Monet | Draconis - I do question why you could not have simply placed them on a new planet and watched over them fro morbit. |
| 04:12.54 | Aeo | Aeon - That was generations ago for them. We saved millions of them, so a few probably thought we were gods. In any case, it was their belief that we could increase their lifespan to be closer to ours, and the normal factors, like cleanserism being true, that got them to where they are. |
| 04:13.25 | Monet | Draconis - Instead you decide to take in a species whose worldview did not go beyond the planet they were on and decide to introduce them into your own homes. |
| 04:13.42 | Aeo | Aeon - Right, that's a good plan. "Hey, here's my spaceship. I'm just going to pick you up and plop you down on a new planet. There you are then. I'm leaving now." *No follow up contact.* |
| 04:14.07 | Monet | Draonis - Honestly I'd be surprised if I was told none of them had a heart attack over the culture shock. |
| 04:14.45 | Aeo | Aeon - Only some of them live as domestic servants. As for the heart attack, the ones who were going to have one of those got it when the tyranny landed. |
| 04:14.48 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Indeed it is a good plan, as it allows their culture to reassert itself, grow and develop, and the people gain their own cultural identity and spirit. You denied them this. |
| 04:15.05 | Monet | Draconis - That and your abstraction is, again, naive. |
| 04:15.21 | Aeo | Aeon - Their culture is growing and developing. |
| 04:15.33 | Monet | Draconis - Into becoming like yours. |
| 04:15.53 | Aeo | Aeon - That's their decision to make. If they want to act more like us, that's their right. |
| 04:16.33 | Monet | *the Draconis face-snouts* |
| 04:17.40 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And yet they are only given one choice. That is not choice at all, it is an illusion. |
| 04:18.07 | Aeo | Aeon - How so? They may choose to abide by their ancestral culture, their current culture, or our culture. |
| 04:18.32 | Aeo | Aeon - If we had not done what we did, they would have had only one of those options. |
| 04:18.54 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And you yourself just stated that you manage and permit their ancestral culture. Essentially, they live the way you decide they live, whether or not you use their culture as a template. |
| 04:18.55 | Monet | Draconis - So stagnancy, what is becoming your cutlure or your culture. |
| 04:19.19 | Aeo | Aeon - When did I say that? |
| 04:19.36 | AdmiralPanda | 14:10] <Aeo> Aeon - Also, their short lifespans mean that their culture would change a lot in the amount of time that passed since we rescued them in any case. If anything, our long memories mean their current culture is more like that of their ancestors than their former ones. Also, no Podenka thinks we are gods. |
| 04:19.48 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Right about then. You prevented cultural change. |
| 04:20.09 | Aeo | Aeon - We do not manage it. We record it and accurately tell them about it. |
| 04:20.10 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - By your own admission you prevented the natural evolution of their culture. |
| 04:20.41 | Monet | Draconis - When you said they could abide by the culture of their ancestors; which is a culture of the past, the current culture; a mix of the old and your culture, and your culture. |
| 04:20.43 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - You stated that because of their short lifespans their culture would have changed, but thanks to your records it did not. You have influenced their culture. |
| 04:21.23 | Aeo | Aeon - We didn't prevent cultural change. We allowed their culture to change or not change based on what they chose. That is why their culture is now so similar to ours. It changed. |
| 04:21.48 | Monet | Draconis - Still say you should havep ut them on a new planet. |
| 04:22.00 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Again evidence of directing their culture along your own lines. |
| 04:22.34 | Aeo | Aeon - Please explain why a culture going away is bad. It's not like we did it by oppressing them. We let them live with us and they decided to live like we did. I freely admit we tried to encourage them to be more like us, but we didn't force them. |
| 04:22.50 | Monet | Draconis - It reduces diversity. |
| 04:22.59 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Because you lose the potential of what that culture might become. Diversity strengthens the whole. |
| 04:23.04 | Aeo | Aeon - And I mean more like us in terms of values and just values. |
| 04:23.08 | Monet | Draconis - Your entire empire is built on the illusion of choice. |
| 04:23.35 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - The Empire is great because each of its members is different and unique; we foster that unique identity as it strives to the betterment of society, and through this we prosper. |
| 04:23.47 | Monet | Draconis - Except unlike the Imperium, you deny its an illusion. |
| 04:24.03 | Aeo | Aeon - No, diversity is error, at least in terms of objective facts like what is valuable. If two people have different sets of values, at least one of them is wrong. Are you seriously saying more wrong people is a good thing? |
| 04:24.45 | Monet | Draconis - You are actually advocating conformism? |
| 04:25.01 | Aeo | Aeon - What do you mean you foster? I thought influending is bad! FUCKING DELCATHIAN IMPERIALIST SCUM!!!!!!!!111!!!!one!!!!one!!!111!!! |
| 04:25.02 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Oh how wrong your statement is. Take, for example, diversity in combat: it is due to the integration of two separate tribes that we have two primary paths: that of the Knight and that of the Hunter- one specialised in close combat and one in ranged. |
| 04:25.03 | Monet | Draconis - You are actually advocating monoculture. |
| 04:25.28 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - The synergy of the Knight and Hunter is greater than the Knight or Hunter alone. By this diversity do we prosper. |
| 04:25.43 | Aeo | Aeon - In terms of values, I am. Just like I advocate a monoscience. |
| 04:26.04 | Monet | Draconis - If the Imperium was like your empire, it probably would not have reemerged from obscurity. |
| 04:26.26 | Aeo | Aeon - If one culture says that family is intrinsically valuable, and the other says that it is only valuable because it tends to bring about emotional connections, at least one of them is wrong. |
| 04:26.40 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Take the diversity of architectural styles: by the integration of two styles we have our military construction philosophy of spacial optimisation, and we also have the civilian style of ergonomics and utility. |
| 04:26.46 | Aeo | Aeon - And family is just an examle. I could have used any value. |
| 04:27.20 | Monet | Draconis - I'd be keen to see a society that benefits from a mix of both views on family. |
| 04:27.38 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - And here we see the truth of the Aeoneonatrix: you refuse to accept alternate views. Those two views can co-exist, the existence of one does not invalidate the other. |
| 04:28.05 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - To give example, it can indeed be said that family has intrinsic value, and still be said that that value is emotional. |
| 04:28.13 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - To give just one example of how those values can co-exist. |
| 04:28.27 | Monet | Draconis - I'd offer you a scholarship to the Alcanti Royal Academy but I fear your head may eplxode. |
| 04:29.19 | Aeo | Aeon - Fordanta: Questions of ideal architecture are best solved by a computer. Draconis: Those statements are mutually exclusive. Either it is a greater sin to kill a family member, all else being equal, than a stranger, or it is not. Those values cannot both be true, and we will always be best off with all of us rejecting the untrue one. |
| 04:29.59 | Monet | Draconis - I was right. |
| 04:30.17 | Monet | Draconis - My fears feel reinforced. |
| 04:31.10 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Honestly, I see why this society was considered so poorly in recent history. Fortunately I have another appointment to attend, and so I will be off. (In seriousness, I do have somewhere to be. Also, this conversation was painful, I'm surprised I didn't leave sooner) |
| 04:31.22 | AdmiralPanda | I sincerely hope that you yourself don't think the way the Aeoneonatrix do |
| 04:31.41 | Aeo | Aeon - People can dress, greet each other, and do loads of other things however they want, but if you culture's values conflict with THE REAL VALUES your culture is WRONG and the universe is better off without it. This does not justify your genocide in any real-world circumstance, but it does mean that it is better for it not to exist than to exist. |
| 04:32.10 | Aeo | (For the record, I do not.) |
| 04:32.59 | Aeo | (I don't personally care about preserving cultures, though, and I would prefer if everyone shared my values.) |
| 04:33.51 | Aeo | (That is to say I'm neutral to the prospect of a culture changing, forming, or yes, evaporating, according to what people want to do. If one is taken away through imperialism, that's not about what people want to do.) |
| 04:34.46 | Aeo | (All of the cultures that exist today will someday not exist anymore, and I'm not too bent out of shape about that... your silence makes me worried that I've angered you, Monet.) |
| 04:36.14 | Monet | (It's half five in the morning for me) |
| 04:36.27 | Aeo | Ah. |
| 04:36.45 | Aeo | Hush little dragon, don't say a word. |
| 04:37.02 | Aeo | Aeo's gonna buy you a big ole hoard. |
| 04:37.19 | Aeo | And if that hoard refuses to shine. |
| 04:37.28 | Aeo | Aeo's gonna rip out its spine. |
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| 06:19.11 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 06:19.20 | ImpyDroid | Charles_Murray: Are ya active? |
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| 06:33.59 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1069565 I want these demons |
| 06:34.01 | Charles_Murray | ImpyDroid: For a little bit longer, what can I do for you? |
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| 11:36.04 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
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| 12:01.33 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:01.42 | Monet | Hi |
| 12:02.32 | OluapWorker | hi |
| 12:13.57 | Monet | Fun fact, trolls in Runescape are named after the first thing they eat. |
| 12:14.16 | Monet | Gets funy and/or wierd when you see trolls with names like "My Arm" and "Dad" |
| 12:20.35 | Monet | I imagine there must also be trolls out there with names like "Rattle", "Birthday Cake", "Chicken" and "Tree" |
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| 13:03.14 | Wormy_ | You've got to admit, this was pretty awesome http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32806985 |
| 13:03.36 | Wormy_ | They drilled through a vault and then absailed it |
| 13:03.47 | Wormy_ | Like it was out of a movie |
| 13:03.58 | Wormy_ | A terrible crime yes, but yeah |
| 13:07.34 | Monet | My favourite part was hearing that they had brought packed lunches. |
| 13:08.31 | Wormy_ | wow |
| 13:13.09 | Monet | http://www.bbcamerica.com/mind-the-gap/2013/02/28/10-british-insults-americans-wont-understand/ I find it peculiar that "Muppet" was adopted more in Britain than the US where the Muppets came from. |
| 13:17.31 | Wormy_ | I read chav slang is actually reaching the youth of the States now. |
| 13:23.40 | Wormy_ | Its a car from Mr Men! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7odK55gkI |
| 13:27.13 | Monet | Keep it up at the car would disintegrate lol |
| 13:45.51 | Wormy_ | Next: Triangle wheels |
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| 13:51.41 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:55.01 | drom | Hello |
| 13:55.10 | drom | Monet: have you tried playing GCIII? |
| 13:55.28 | Monet | Yes |
| 13:55.35 | Monet | I was in the beta |
| 13:56.19 | drom | Hm, is it the worth the pricey tag? |
| 13:57.20 | Monet | Yes |
| 14:00.08 | drom | I've some difficulties to comprehend on why would large empires cause disapproval among its' citizens? |
| 14:01.35 | Monet | THe larger an empire gets, the more distanced form thep ublic a central government becomes |
| 14:02.07 | drom | I see. |
| 14:02.38 | drom | So the way to eliminate this is to divide the state in provinces and assign local lesser-power governments to every one of them. |
| 14:03.55 | Monet | Can't remember what GalCiv III dos but in II the problem could be solved by adopting more federated models of government |
| 14:06.22 | Monet | But yes, when local councils get more power, local citizens feel happier because they get more of a voice in how their part of the country is run |
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| 14:09.17 | Monet | The three largest nations on the planet - Russia, China and the U.S.A are more or less federated republics. |
| 14:10.32 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 14:10.37 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:11.02 | Monet | The US has states, Russia has federal subjects and China has provinces and autonomous regions. |
| 14:12.13 | Monet | I don't know about Russia but one thing that distinguishes Chinese autonomous regions and US states is the ability to legislate local laws that only affect their part of the ocuntry. |
| 14:14.38 | Monet | The UK by contrast has its constituent countries, which do have their own laws but we treat them as semi-independant nations while counties are the bulk of the administrative makeup |
| 14:15.12 | Monet | And ocunty councils, unlike US states or chinese autonomous regions, have very little legislative power. |
| 14:20.57 | drom | The feel when the OS takes up a large portition of your SDD http://i.imgur.com/kPYNqWv.png |
| 14:27.55 | Comrade_Vinny | Monet: I made it after all. :) http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/69/Batok_Saber.png/revision/latest?cb=20150519153552 |
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| 14:51.53 | drom | Wormy_: http://imgur.com/HU4MV.gif |
| 14:54.28 | Wormy_ | I'm surprised Data doesn't smash through |
| 14:56.09 | drom | cyborg-proof |
| 14:56.15 | drom | ahem |
| 14:56.18 | drom | android-proof |
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| 15:00.29 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:03.21 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:04.38 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 15:06.26 | Comrade_Vinny | Hey Cyra! |
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| 15:17.20 | OluapWorker | ~slam Cyrannian |
| 15:17.20 | infobot | ACTION slams Cyrannian against a large cement Tux |
| 15:18.16 | Cyrannian | ~stab OluapWorker |
| 15:18.16 | infobot | ACTION runs at OluapWorker with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 15:20.29 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Mirck?rcid=702422 this infobox reminds me of the bad starter example |
| 15:21.49 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Biggest_galaxy - Not as much as this one though |
| 15:22.21 | Technobliterator | that one is less funny |
| 15:22.24 | Wormy_ | "This galaxy is made of ultraviolet radiation " |
| 15:22.25 | Technobliterator | the Mirck one |
| 15:22.39 | Technobliterator | Length of orbital rotation10 min? |
| 15:22.47 | Technobliterator | SectorHuh? |
| 15:24.21 | Technobliterator | our policies and guidelines pages suck |
| 15:24.22 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 15:24.38 | Monet | I never got the difference between "length of year" and "length of orbital rotation" |
| 15:32.28 | Ghelae | Monet: Me neither, actually. |
| 15:34.34 | Monet | So I assumed it meant "length of year in local days" |
| 15:37.14 | Monet | I suppose it could mean "circumfrence of the orbit" which is 2Ïxdistance from the sun, but the number is somewhat arbitrary really when measuring its position by the length of its year is more common. |
| 15:38.28 | Monet | THat and when calculating escape orbit vectors a planet's position in its orbit is measured in degrees, not kilometres. |
| 15:44.57 | Ghelae | It isn't clear why one should mean "length of year in local days" and the other "length of year in Earth days" (you could put them both in the same one if you wanted to, or people can just use a calculator if they're really interested), nor which one should have each of the two meanings. |
| 15:45.53 | Ghelae | Circumference of orbit is also a really unusual thing to have in an infobox; distance from its sun would seem more reasonable to me. |
| 15:46.23 | Ghelae | I'm thinking it might just be utterly redundant. |
| 15:48.06 | Ghelae | Unless "orbital rotation" is for moons orbiting planets, while "year" is for planets orbiting stars, but then we could just have some variable like "|type = moon" that changes the text. |
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| 15:50.17 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 15:50.21 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:50.33 | Monet | Ghelae: I like the sound of that variable |
| 15:50.43 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:51.26 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
| 15:51.26 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
| 15:51.33 | Hachiman | <3 |
| 15:51.49 | Ghelae | I assume the default would be to set "type" as "planet", or if the two options are planet and satellite it could be "|satellite = yes" with the default being "no". |
| 15:51.49 | Cyrannian | Hai |
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| 16:35.35 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Maethoruin - new page, OluapWorker c dis |
| 16:35.35 | OluapWorker | suks dik 10/10 |
| 16:35.36 | Hachiman | gib phaedra page pls |
| 16:35.46 | OluapWorker | gib khaepsha-ultan page pls |
| 16:35.53 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Phaedric_Order - c dere |
| 16:36.54 | Hachiman | dats not phaedra race page |
| 16:37.13 | Cyrannian | Oh right, that's a good idea actually |
| 16:38.09 | OluapWorker | Cyrannian: u done gud, I quoted |
| 16:40.10 | Cyrannian | maethoruin is hurt by Meketanor's cruel words |
| 16:40.49 | OluapWorker | Maethoruin - y u so rude Meketanor - dunt take it personal i hate everyun equally |
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| 16:47.20 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 16:47.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:47.51 | Aeo | Phaedra is almost Fedora. Evilest thing in the universe. |
| 16:47.52 | OluapWorker | impu |
| 16:48.38 | Technobliterator | http://www.eastarwars.com/ |
| 16:48.44 | Technobliterator | (warning it does contain sound) |
| 16:59.49 | Wormy_ | Who here knows about the brain eating amoeba? |
| 17:00.28 | Wormy_ | I don't think I'll ever put my nose under freshwater again. |
| 17:00.39 | Aeo | Yes, I do. |
| 17:00.41 | OluapWorker | Never heard of |
| 17:00.44 | Wormy_ | Not that I have much |
| 17:00.54 | Ghelae | Gets inside your nose. Gets hungry. Starts eating on your brain. Immune system goes into overdrive and ends up causing even more extreme brain damage. |
| 17:01.04 | Aeo | I've never heard it called that though, and I thought it was only a danger in warm water. |
| 17:01.14 | Wormy_ | Only three people have survived it I believe |
| 17:01.37 | OluapWorker | I've heard of a parasite that infects your brain and makes you have suicidal tendencies |
| 17:01.45 | OluapWorker | It's mostly present in small animals though |
| 17:01.48 | Wormy_ | Apparently its in 70% of American lakes, but it lives all over the world. |
| 17:02.07 | Wormy_ | That's Toxoplasma gondi |
| 17:02.45 | OluapWorker | Toxoplasma gandhi |
| 17:02.49 | OluapWorker | The nuclear microbe |
| 17:02.59 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 17:04.07 | Wormy_ | In the papers here a university student almost went blind from a burrowing amoeba in her contact lens when tap water was splashed on her. |
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| 17:04.22 | OluapWorker | ew |
| 17:04.51 | Wormy_ | I have been told that you can go blind within hours if you swim with contact lenses in |
| 17:05.13 | Wormy_ | The microbes burrow downwarss damaging the cornea |
| 17:07.14 | Wormy_ | Hm |
| 17:07.56 | Wormy_ | Imagine that feel if you jumped into a lake, crawled out and saw a "brain eating amoeba" warning post |
| 17:08.23 | Wormy_ | Still its so rare you wouldn't be likely to get infected luckily |
| 17:08.23 | OluapWorker | Do Not Swim: Mindrape |
| 17:08.28 | Aeo | It infects 0 to 8 people a yar. |
| 17:08.52 | Ghelae | Meh. Imagine if you climbed out the lake and saw one float in your field of vision because it was inside your eye. |
| 17:09.23 | Wormy_ | Imagine it laughing at you http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/699/overrides/brain-eating-amoeba-water-park_69932_600x450.jpg |
| 17:10.34 | Aeo | Wormy_ Never show me another image that horrifying. |
| 17:10.45 | OluapWorker | "HEE HEE HEE HEE" |
| 17:11.29 | Aeo | Wormy_ Go google image "bedbug under microscope" as penance. |
| 17:12.09 | Wormy_ | Seen, its not as bad as a hookworm under microscope |
| 17:12.28 | Wormy_ | http://www.cat-world.com.au/images/HookwormMouth.gif |
| 17:12.50 | Aeo | Just for future reference, my psychological issues are such that I will now be hallucinating that thing for at least the next little bit, and periodically for the rest of my life, if it winds up in my reputar. |
| 17:13.22 | Aeo | My hallucinations are not vivid enough for me to think it's there, but still. |
| 17:13.48 | Aeo | It's fucking touching me. |
| 17:13.56 | Hachiman | inb4 triggered |
| 17:14.04 | Wormy_ | Hm, I only hallucinate as I wake up or fall asleep, or in deep meditation |
| 17:14.35 | Wormy_ | It *may* crop up but in my case more existential things appear like electronic sentience... |
| 17:14.43 | Aeo | I hallucinate whenever I think about the things I hallucinate about, namely bugs. |
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| 17:14.59 | Aeo | So yes, I can be triggered. |
| 17:15.23 | Wormy_ | I take it that you didn't look at the hookworm. Best you not. |
| 17:15.46 | Aeo | Seen it. |
| 17:15.59 | Aeo | Not just now, but I've seen it before. |
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| 17:16.23 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:16.28 | Xho | eeee |
| 17:16.38 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 17:16.57 | Wormy_ | Images that "trigger" me tend to be pictures of skin diseases, or burns |
| 17:17.09 | Aeo | gives Xho a boquet of carrion flowers. |
| 17:17.27 | Wormy_ | I had to delete this horrible compilation of STD's this nasty troll sent me on Maxis Wiki once. It was awful |
| 17:19.14 | Wormy_ | http://maxis.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Wormulon#Deletion |
| 17:19.27 | Aeo | #nope |
| 17:19.44 | Wormy_ | If anyone is really curious I might undelete it and link. But do so in a way I don't have to look again myself |
| 17:20.14 | Wormy_ | that might not be possible actually |
| 17:20.21 | Wormy_ | besat not |
| 17:20.23 | Wormy_ | *best |
| 17:20.53 | Cyrannian | Wormy_: Technobliterator: Hachiman: Are you three available to do a short roleplay with Oluap and I now? |
| 17:21.06 | Wormy_ | I can't, sorry. |
| 17:21.15 | Wormy_ | In fact I shouldn't even be chatting here |
| 17:21.18 | OluapWorker | don't make me rape u |
| 17:21.35 | OluapWorker | Do you mind if we do it without you? |
| 17:21.38 | Wormy_ | Soon I'll finish and be free for fiction |
| 17:21.45 | Wormy_ | Yes |
| 17:22.03 | OluapWorker | Right we won't do it then |
| 17:22.09 | Wormy_ | Maybe I can add a subplot with my character later? |
| 17:22.27 | OluapWorker | Oh you mean you're okay with it |
| 17:22.31 | Wormy_ | No I didn't mean it like that! |
| 17:22.32 | Cyrannian | I think he means that we can go ahead and leave a space for him to add when he's free |
| 17:22.36 | OluapWorker | dur |
| 17:22.39 | OluapWorker | My mistake |
| 17:22.42 | Wormy_ | Yes, I'm okay with you go without me |
| 17:22.49 | OluapWorker | Right then sorry for that |
| 17:23.01 | Wormy_ | I'll be free by the end of the week |
| 17:23.03 | OluapWorker | In case you're curious this is that Brezank plot |
| 17:23.11 | Hachiman | Sure |
| 17:24.34 | Technobliterator | I am |
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| 17:42.42 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 17:42.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:58.01 | OluapWorker | Technobliterator: Add to the rp |
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| 18:15.28 | Technobliterator | uh, did we finish the rp or did people just disconnect |
| 18:15.30 | Technobliterator | : | |
| 18:16.49 | OluapWorker | That shows how much attention you're paying |
| 18:16.54 | OluapWorker | Yes it's finished |
| 18:18.09 | Hachiman | God it's like you never participated in fiction before |
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| 18:25.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
| 18:25.55 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:30.09 | Wormy_away | I know there are many Firefox users here but I'm comparing pretty clean webpages and I prefer Chrome's display and definition. |
| 18:30.15 | Wormy_away | *here |
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| 18:33.08 | Hachiman | So I just watched some dumb American anti-war chick criticise soldiers and their non-combat uniforms, claiming that soldiers do it to impress people and boast that they have killed people |
| 18:33.24 | Hachiman | Alongside the fact that the military is apparently full of murderous psychopaths |
| 18:34.17 | OluapWorker | Why would you do that |
| 18:34.56 | Aeo | Hachiman: Well, soldiers *are* for killing. |
| 18:35.03 | Wormy_away | I'm no patriot of the military but I can just tell the flaws will be strong in that one (woman) |
| 18:35.50 | Wormy_away | Some probably are a bit psychopathic though, it must take a certain mindset to take orders and kill people in foreign lands |
| 18:36.13 | Wormy_away | One I do not share. |
| 18:38.37 | Imperios | Hachiman: This reminded me of one story that happened to my family |
| 18:38.40 | Wormy_away | Even though I'm a psychopathic/sadistic fiction writer with a hunger for power |
| 18:39.50 | Imperios | During the Russian 90s the military was generally reviled as protectors of the old Soviet past |
| 18:40.35 | Imperios | My 60-something grandfather was actually attacked by crowds just because he was wearing his uniform (he was colonel of the Soviet Army) |
| 18:41.00 | Imperios | He was hurt severely |
| 18:41.03 | Cyrannian | The Irish Army is mainly used in UN peacekeeping, so it doesn't really have a big relevance to society at large. #neutrality |
| 18:41.20 | Imperios | Cyrannian: #wewillconqueryousoon |
| 18:42.02 | Xho | SLAVA PUTIN |
| 18:42.27 | Imperios | It was during Yeltsin's administration |
| 18:42.43 | Imperios | My grandfather died shortly afterwards |
| 18:42.52 | Xho | That was a pretty rough time from what I recall |
| 18:42.53 | Cyrannian | Imperios: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russian-aircraft-entered-irish-controlled-airspace-iaa-1.2110144 - up to shenanigans |
| 18:43.25 | Imperios | Cyrannian: They're just protecting Russian minorities in Ireland! |
| 18:44.17 | OluapWorker | they wanted to steal the pot o' gold |
| 18:44.43 | Imperios | Alternatively, they are out to prove the superiority of vodka over whiskey |
| 18:45.08 | Wormy_away | Russian planes will never catch up with rainbows, no matter how many nukes they have. |
| 18:45.29 | Cyrannian | Fear the wrath of our potato-shooting AA guns |
| 18:45.51 | Imperios | We have more potatoes |
| 18:46.27 | Wormy_away | Ireland could just spread the potato blight over as a bioweapon |
| 18:46.39 | Wormy_away | Alright that was a terrible joke. |
| 18:46.41 | Imperios | NOOOOOOOO |
| 18:46.42 | Imperios | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:46.45 | Imperios | NOT OUR POTATOES |
| 18:47.33 | Imperios | BTW about the potato blight in Ireland, I still do not quite understand its origin |
| 18:48.03 | Imperios | Was it a natural disaster, or was it actually helped by the British? I've heard both |
| 18:48.27 | Imperios | Or is it just unclear like with the hunger in Ukraine |
| 18:49.13 | Wormy_away | Natural I believe. |
| 18:49.50 | Wormy_away | Though the social situation of the time wouldn't have helped and the British might be at fault for many things as a guess |
| 18:49.51 | Cyrannian | There are some who would call it a genocide, but that's not historically accurate. It's more accurate to say that it was a combination of the heavy reliance on the potato to poor communities in the West and the terrible infrastructure in those regions |
| 18:50.09 | Imperios | ...so basically like the hunger in Ukraine |
| 18:50.11 | Aeo | Imperios: Are you talking about Stalin's famines? Those are not unclear... |
| 18:50.59 | Imperios | Aeo: It was caused by Stalin's rampant industrialisation, but there are arguments about whether Stalin actually wanted to kill Ukrainians or was it just a side effect |
| 18:51.21 | Aeo | Stalin either started or deliberately made worse countless famines... well, I'm sure someone has counted them. The point is he killed more people than hitler and was the worst person ever. |
| 18:51.37 | Imperios | I believe it is the latter, because it was not only Ukraine that suffered from famines but also regions of Russia and north Kazakhstan (aka where my ancestors lived) |
| 18:51.38 | Aeo | Maybe on Russia Today there is. |
| 18:51.52 | Imperios | It was definitely deliberate |
| 18:51.58 | Imperios | But there is the question of genocidal intent\ |
| 18:52.06 | Aeo | Um... |
| 18:52.16 | Aeo | Those are the same thing. |
| 18:52.19 | Imperios | Like for example with my people, Stalin definitely acted against us and wanted to squash us |
| 18:52.22 | Imperios | Ukrainians, not so sure |
| 18:52.59 | Imperios | Aeo: The question is "Stalin wanted to industrialise super-fast and did not care about the human cost so he killed lots of people" versus "Stalin hated Ukrainians and so let them starve" |
| 18:53.03 | Wormy_away | Didn't Chairman Mao kill the most people under his regime? |
| 18:53.19 | Imperios | As much as I hate Stalin, I do not believe he had a personal agenda against Ukraine in particular, as Ukrainians often claim |
| 18:53.42 | Monet | It sounds to me like poorly-planned industrialisation |
| 18:53.52 | Monet | Which iirc was pretty rampant across the USSR |
| 18:53.55 | Aeo | That sounds kind of like when people claim that Hitler never intended any of the jews to die, he just took care of them poorly in their camps. |
| 18:54.05 | Imperios | There WERE ethnicities that Stalin deliberately squashed through internment and forced assimilation, like my own people, but the Ukrainians were not among them |
| 18:54.16 | Imperios | Aeo: With the Holocaust there was clear ethnocidal intent |
| 18:54.26 | Imperios | the camps were made specifically for the point of killing them |
| 18:54.58 | Aeo | Nazi Fuckwad - BUT SMOKESTACKS! WHERE IS THE OFFICIAL ORDER? |
| 18:55.04 | Imperios | Stalin achieved the same effect through gulags (though these did not depend on ethnicity) and deporation/internment |
| 18:55.33 | Imperios | But starvation was probably a side effect |
| 18:56.46 | Imperios | The question is not whether Stalin did or did not kill people, but whether or not he committed deliberate genocide of certain ethnicites, as Hitler did, the Ukrainians in particular (through starvation) |
| 18:56.55 | Imperios | Which I honestly doubt because otherwise I wouldn't have been alive |
| 18:57.26 | Imperios | Because my ancestors *were* targeted for ethnic purging |
| 18:57.53 | Hachiman | I thought Russians and North Koreans were bros |
| 18:57.56 | Wormy_away | I'm not sure if you can rate who is worse than who, or at least it is not the right criteria. Even the British Empire had concentration camps and practised eugenics, which suggests a wider cultural evil.. A look at their philosophy and policies however might be a better point of determining wrongdoing. |
| 18:57.57 | Hachiman | Because of communism |
| 18:58.32 | Aeo | Hachiman: Not anymore. North Korea has no bro but china, and even they only get along so well. |
| 18:58.46 | Imperios | Hachiman: Koryo-saram were interned *before* WW2 |
| 18:58.47 | Hachiman | I was not referring to now |
| 18:58.51 | Hachiman | Oh right |
| 18:59.07 | Imperios | The logic was that, since Korea was back then a part of China, all Korean people were unreliable |
| 18:59.09 | Imperios | *Japan |
| 18:59.15 | Imperios | Because Japan was an Axis power |
| 18:59.32 | Imperios | ...Yes I hope you do realise how insane was that |
| 18:59.40 | Cyrannian | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/065/469/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg - This looks like a time for my favourite North Korea meme |
| 18:59.41 | Hachiman | That is pretty insane |
| 19:00.07 | Imperios | The actual reason I think was to provide a workforce for Kazakhstan and assimilate us |
| 19:00.26 | Imperios | We weren't the only ones who got deported to GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD |
| 19:00.36 | Imperios | Germans, Greeks, Crimean Tatars, etc etc |
| 19:00.40 | Imperios | All were left in Kazakhstan |
| 19:00.54 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:01.30 | Imperios | ...Then again now the richest person in Kazakhstan is called Vladimir Kim |
| 19:02.33 | Imperios | We have all the potassium |
| 19:04.50 | Imperios | Kazakhstan is actually kinda like the Russian version of Australia |
| 19:05.09 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Brezank_Awakens#Chapter_Four:_The_Power_Reactors - Big update, with three teams tasked to bring down the reactors of the Corruptus world Brezank |
| 19:05.33 | Hachiman | Also I have decided for matters regarding canon that Zazane have existed within Andromeda as spacefaring societies for ages prior to the foundation of the Brood or even the Great Migration of the last Zazane from their home universe |
| 19:06.09 | Hachiman | Similar to how the Borealis and Ottzelloan Zazane existed prior to the Great Migration |
| 19:06.21 | Hachiman | Also yes check out Brezank fiction, it is top quality banter |
| 19:06.38 | Xho | Santorakh - cheeky nandos with the lads |
| 19:07.11 | Imperios | Oooh interesting |
| 19:08.26 | Hachiman | Andromedan Zazane would have existed as multiple spacefaring societies until the Brood was founded and unified them |
| 19:09.24 | Hachiman | In truth there are a lot of Zazane factions that exist that do not claim membership within the Brood and even oppose them, such as remnant imperialists, Borealis Zazane criminal syndicates, and Andromedan Zazane warlords |
| 19:10.10 | Aeo | Hachiman: Would Cleanserist zazane be possible? |
| 19:10.28 | Aeo | I mean in the future, moreso. |
| 19:11.02 | Hachiman | Probably not |
| 19:11.23 | Hachiman | Unless they were forcefully indoctrinated which is immensely difficult to do to Zazane |
| 19:11.30 | Aeo | Why not? |
| 19:11.36 | Xho | Well I've written lyrics for a song in the larval stage |
| 19:11.40 | Xho | It's based on a dream I had last night |
| 19:12.00 | Hachiman | Xho: You think that is impressive, I prepared my own hot and spicy chicken dinner as a fetus |
| 19:12.08 | Xho | dayumn nigga |
| 19:12.18 | Monet | Aeo: COuld relate to last night's conversation |
| 19:12.19 | Xho | But damn my dream last night was strange |
| 19:12.29 | Aeo | BTW Xho is there any way you could write an essay for the Pan-Gigaquadrantic Philosophical Society by a Dominion adacemic arguing for the destruction of the universe? |
| 19:12.41 | Xho | I doubt the Dominion would participate in that |
| 19:12.52 | Hachiman | Aeo: Zazane would most often want to serve themselves than serve something else unless they felt such deserved their service |
| 19:13.01 | Xho | I was promoting a miracle sun tan lotion at a hospital and then I got entangled in a plot to assassinate some important patient there |
| 19:13.15 | Xho | The dream resulted in me belting it out of the hospital and on to a helicopter and escaping |
| 19:13.20 | Hachiman | Jesus |
| 19:13.34 | Xho | The lyrics of the song are a little different though |
| 19:13.50 | Hachiman | Should include absolute gutturals and a few growls |
| 19:13.54 | Cyrannian | You need to cut down on the drugs |
| 19:13.54 | Hachiman | And tons of blast beats |
| 19:14.01 | Xho | hur |
| 19:14.05 | Wormy_away | I love dreams like that, unfortunately mine rarely have consistent storylines |
| 19:14.06 | Xho | This a prog metal band not a death metal band |
| 19:14.13 | Xho | My dreams are oddly concisse |
| 19:14.16 | Xho | concise even |
| 19:14.21 | Hachiman | dats not trve metal |
| 19:14.22 | Xho | I have recurring settings but different events |
| 19:14.28 | Hachiman | not cvlt enough |
| 19:14.31 | Aeo | Hachiman: Well, the Cleanser managed to convince the Aeoneonatrix that he diserved their service. Same with every rescued race. |
| 19:14.33 | Imperios | My dreams usually involve twisted version of my real life and surroundings |
| 19:14.35 | Xho | And said events link from past dreams |
| 19:14.48 | Xho | Characters in my dreams remember events from past dreams as well |
| 19:14.51 | Imperios | Charles_Murray Monet Comrade_Bunny: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f5/Toupe-lezard_%28clothing%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20150520191314 Take a look |
| 19:15.11 | Hachiman | The hell is that thing |
| 19:15.13 | Hachiman | I like it hur |
| 19:15.25 | Wormy_away | I've had re-occurring dreams. Quite often I visit versions of my house or town, with extra rooms or fictional surroundings that feel strangely familiar. |
| 19:15.43 | Xho | The song is more like breaking free from a routine by having an individual named as the 'intermediary' giving you a gun to shoot your way into a new life basically |
| 19:15.49 | Aeo | ...Welcome, to Night Vale |
| 19:16.19 | Wormy_away | Hey! Another listener? |
| 19:16.38 | Aeo | Listening right now.' |
| 19:16.45 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: I oftentimes will dream an entire day. It feels... off, when in the dream but I don't question it when inside. Dunno. |
| 19:16.53 | Xho | I might do a song on my strange dream sequences |
| 19:17.11 | DrodoEmpire | (As in I will dream of my average day with surprising accuracy) |
| 19:17.13 | Wormy_away | That is nearly lucid by the sounds of it. |
| 19:17.15 | Hachiman | Zazane zealots in general probably do not happen aside from the Mali'nar-influenced Zazane if they are still canon |
| 19:17.21 | Aeo | I'm currently catching up. I'm on entry 31, right before the one where Strexcorp will enter Night Vale for the first time. |
| 19:17.26 | Imperios | Hachiman: It's from a fic we and the 2013-era users are planning to do |
| 19:17.38 | Xho | I dunno where my dreams take place |
| 19:17.44 | Imperios | It'll be revolved around the ancient enemies of the Tertamian Alliance, the Metropoly |
| 19:17.47 | Xho | They're mostly in cities similar to New York I guess |
| 19:17.49 | Hachiman | Ah sweet |
| 19:17.54 | Wormy_away | I loved "The Woman from Italy" and the auctions episode. |
| 19:18.01 | Xho | Though there's no real familiarity to it |
| 19:18.03 | Hachiman | The Monopoly do sound intimidating |
| 19:18.04 | DrodoEmpire | Not really. Its basically just me going through the paces, I percieve things but I feel separate from them and my actions within the dream in a way |
| 19:18.09 | Monet | Imperios: I'm really liking the armour on his back |
| 19:18.24 | Hachiman | The Monopoly plans to send the Tertamian Alliance to jail hur |
| 19:18.34 | Wormy_away | DrodoEmpire: Do you mean, almost prophesying real events? Because I have felt that too. |
| 19:18.35 | DrodoEmpire | I can't control things very well. Though in bad dreams I tend to have a very good command of my movements |
| 19:18.44 | Imperios | It's Metropoly not Monopoly you |
| 19:18.48 | Hachiman | Oh |
| 19:19.02 | Hachiman | Still nonetheless, a cool name |
| 19:19.25 | Hachiman | Also I still wanna work on those Mali'nar Zazane at some point, possibly for Golden Movement or post-GM fiction |
| 19:19.27 | DrodoEmpire | Well... Not predictions. I'm sure it sometimes happens but it feels as though a lot of details are sort-of "left out". Its bizarre. |
| 19:19.38 | Imperios | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropole Based on this term |
| 19:20.17 | Imperios | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d4/Melfoj.png/revision/latest?cb=20150519200712 And that's the actual Metropoly species |
| 19:20.43 | Hachiman | Buff, muscular Tertamian men |
| 19:21.09 | Monet | Alien - I must break you. |
| 19:21.12 | Hachiman | The enemies of the Tertamian Alliance are Tertamian Custodes hur |
| 19:22.36 | Hachiman | I am actually rather interested in how this fiction will go actually so let me know when updates for it come out |
| 19:22.53 | Imperios | Melfoj - MY OILED SCALES QUIVER AT YOUR VOICE |
| 19:23.00 | Xho | ew |
| 19:23.31 | Imperios | The actual idea was actually to make them the "dwarves" to the Tertamians' "elves" but your interpretation works as well |
| 19:23.37 | Monet | Hachiman: About the Mali'Zane, maybe they were a clan of these Andromedan Zazane who were manipulated and later corrupted by the Mali'Nar |
| 19:25.39 | Aeo | Imperios: Dat is a sexy alien. |
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| 19:26.17 | Wormy_away | Drodo: Fascinating |
| 19:27.40 | Hachiman | Monet: Yeah that is what I was thinking |
| 19:27.59 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Actually your comment about Custodes reminded me of one thing |
| 19:28.31 | Hachiman | Hm? |
| 19:28.41 | ImpyDroid | In the original 2008 pre-SporeWiki concept of the Tertamians, their seat of power was called "Segmentum Fabulus" |
| 19:28.46 | Hachiman | olol |
| 19:29.36 | Hachiman | Also I will probably have to revise a proper name for the Mali'Zane/Kelipoth |
| 19:30.03 | Hachiman | Although Kelipoth is still a nice name |
| 19:33.58 | Monet | I can imagine a Mali agent disguising themselves as a retainer or a substitute conscence for a prominent warlord. |
| 19:34.29 | Monet | Then eroding his/her mind with maddening whispers. |
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| 19:38.41 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 19:38.51 | Monet | hello |
| 19:39.08 | OluapPlayer | Blargen |
| 19:41.38 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11262389_1001721403171250_1477255082592211900_n.png?oh=73629a461345dc8fd4922a918a0e0457&oe=55FE14DD |
| 19:43.05 | Monet | heh |
| 19:45.07 | OluapPlayer | Clever |
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| 19:54.43 | DrodoEmpire | Back. >.< |
| 19:58.41 | ImpyDroid | Praise Matryoshka |
| 20:03.56 | ImpyDroid | Great, I found a TV series about Catherine the Great |
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| 20:07.50 | ImpyDroid | (That's the slut from Civ 5 in case you don't know) |
| 20:08.47 | Xho | hur |
| 20:09.18 | Xisuthros | hur? |
| 20:09.46 | Xho | hur indeed |
| 20:10.06 | Monet | Hello |
| 20:10.10 | Xisuthros | Hello |
| 20:10.30 | Hachiman | Catherine the Great was a slut? |
| 20:10.58 | Technobliterator | I hate that word |
| 20:11.10 | ImpyDroid | That's a reference to Civ V, she is flirting with everyone in the gsme |
| 20:11.14 | ImpyDroid | Including other women |
| 20:11.31 | ImpyDroid | Technobliterator: You prefer "slag? |
| 20:11.52 | Technobliterator | Well, in this context, not really : | |
| 20:12.11 | ImpyDroid | But she had many lovers IRL as well |
| 20:12.14 | Technobliterator | I hate both words, they're just used to excuse misogyny |
| 20:12.21 | ImpyDroid | Okay |
| 20:12.26 | ImpyDroid | Rite she had many lovers |
| 20:12.44 | ImpyDroid | Honestly that is expected of a person of her station |
| 20:12.48 | Xisuthros | I agree with Technobliterator but I don't think we should open this proverbial can of worms |
| 20:14.20 | ImpyDroid | It is just that girls have a higher sluttiness standard than guys in most societies, ergo Catherine is a slut while, say, the Ottoman Sultans just had lots of wives |
| 20:14.27 | Hachiman | So you do not like words like slut, whore, sket, prostitute, wench, bitch, tramp, etc? |
| 20:14.43 | ImpyDroid | Blyad |
| 20:14.52 | Xho | Don't forget whore |
| 20:14.56 | Xho | Oh wait you didn't |
| 20:15.49 | Hachiman | See because I do not like the word "misogynyst" and feel it gets thrown around far too liberally |
| 20:16.16 | Cyrannian | There is a double standard when it comes to sexuality, men are championed for sleeping around and women are shamed. |
| 20:16.26 | Xisuthros | ^ |
| 20:16.47 | ImpyDroid | Muhsojuny |
| 20:17.17 | ImpyDroid | I just realised why we made a series about Catherine now |
| 20:17.19 | Technobliterator | Our society isn;t nearly as misogynystic as most tumblr feminists will tell you, though |
| 20:17.30 | Xisuthros | Also ^ |
| 20:17.35 | Xho | Before you say anything further |
| 20:17.38 | Wormy_away | Aye |
| 20:17.38 | Xho | >tumblr feminists |
| 20:17.43 | Xho | It's a special kind of feminist |
| 20:17.51 | Technobliterator | Men are about 5 times more likely to suffer physical assault than women, for instance |
| 20:17.58 | Xisuthros | Aye Wormy |
| 20:18.01 | Hachiman | Right we are treading into SJW territory again |
| 20:18.07 | Hachiman | Let us maneuver away from this with caution |
| 20:18.14 | ImpyDroid | Let us move back to Catherine |
| 20:18.27 | Technobliterator | And most people who campaign for "women's rights" are actually campaigning for "being spoilt brats who get whatever they want and hating men", which pisses me off too |
| 20:18.46 | ImpyDroid | It makes a lot of sense for us to make a series about a ruler who |
| 20:18.49 | Xisuthros | Yes, let's talk about history instead of trying to tread the thin line between MRA and SJW |
| 20:19.11 | Hachiman | "Yekaterina Alexeevna" > Catherine |
| 20:19.13 | Hachiman | Fucking how |
| 20:19.20 | Monet | Katarine |
| 20:19.25 | Monet | katarina |
| 20:19.31 | ImpyDroid | Yekaterina is a Russia form of Catherine |
| 20:19.44 | Wormy_away | Xisuthros: Are you new here or someone who changed their nick? |
| 20:19.47 | ImpyDroid | Alexeevna is a patron mic and does not count |
| 20:19.57 | ImpyDroid | *patronymic |
| 20:19.59 | Hachiman | yee katerina |
| 20:20.06 | Xho | yee |
| 20:20.10 | ImpyDroid | Yee |
| 20:20.28 | ImpyDroid | That's your average person's reaction to Catherine |
| 20:20.31 | ImpyDroid | Anyway |
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| 20:20.58 | Xisuthros | Wormy_away: Yes and no. I made some less-than-good fiction on the site a few years ago under a different name, and I've decided to come back and try to create some non-shitty fiction. |
| 20:21.09 | ImpyDroid | Consider: Catherine onquered Crimea and what is now Donbass, battled Germans, started off liberal but later became more authoritarian, quelled a large rebellion, and LOVED to flaunt her sexuality |
| 20:21.17 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 20:21.18 | Wormy_away | Right okay, welcome back |
| 20:21.28 | Xisuthros | I used the name "Yarsofpupae", by the way. |
| 20:21.36 | Wormy_away | Ah |
| 20:21.39 | ImpyDroid | It makes a lot of sense for us to make a series about her now hur |
| 20:21.40 | Wormy_away | Yes I remember |
| 20:21.53 | Hachiman | Catherine sounds like my kind of leader hur |
| 20:22.44 | ImpyDroid | I was referring to the fact that she was basically proto-Putin |
| 20:22.47 | Monet | She's a smi-modern Cleopatra. |
| 20:22.53 | Monet | semi-modern* |
| 20:23.09 | Xisuthros | Honestly I'm surprised I'm remembered. |
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| 20:23.50 | ImpyDroid | Putin is nowhere near as sexually active but he made shirtless photos of himself |
| 20:24.11 | Hachiman | Would be highly amusing if Putin was a descendant |
| 20:24.41 | OluapPlayer | Final battle of Brezank Awakens currently being written |
| 20:24.45 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 20:24.59 | Wormy_away | What scares me is that I remember users who edited a "few years ago" like it was yesterday. |
| 20:25.02 | ImpyDroid | My point was, the areas of Ukraine that we are interested in |
| 20:25.09 | Xisuthros | Sorry, what prompted the discussion of Catherine hte Great? |
| 20:25.09 | ImpyDroid | They were conquered by Catherine |
| 20:25.13 | Xho | ~kick OluapPlayer |
| 20:25.13 | infobot | ACTION kicks OluapPlayer |
| 20:25.19 | Aeo | Xisuthros: Welcome to the site. I'm Aeo. I'm the token idealist on the site, and one of only three Americans. |
| 20:25.23 | ImpyDroid | I found a Russian series about her |
| 20:25.24 | Xho | da hell did u come from |
| 20:25.34 | OluapPlayer | I've been here for an hour and half |
| 20:25.39 | OluapPlayer | Actually no, just an hour |
| 20:25.40 | ImpyDroid | Aeo: Which is why you shall be nuked with bear missiles soon |
| 20:25.48 | Xho | Right that would explain it |
| 20:25.59 | Xho | I only got back like ten minutes ago |
| 20:26.17 | Xisuthros | *the great |
| 20:26.49 | Aeo | ImpyDroid: No. While I do live in the word's only important country, I do not live in a particularly important part of it, as far as parts of it go, so the nuke would not be anywhere near me. |
| 20:26.52 | Hachiman | Brezank Awakens -> Is being put back to sleep |
| 20:27.20 | Wormy_away | I am beginning to expect Impy is one of the trolls who go about forums trolling for the government. |
| 20:27.26 | Wormy_away | *suspect |
| 20:27.49 | OluapPlayer | shit plot amirite |
| 20:28.16 | Xho | Krath - ffs |
| 20:29.27 | OluapPlayer | I'll say though |
| 20:29.36 | OluapPlayer | This plot won't end with a complete Corruptus defeat |
| 20:29.47 | Hachiman | Oh boy |
| 20:29.55 | Xho | Krath - not so ffs could've been better but still |
| 20:30.05 | Hachiman | Hachi - gud cus i wus gettin bored wifout u guise pls dunt hurt me |
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| 20:30.22 | Wormy_away | Aeo: Since they are "bear" nukes, one might expect armies of bears dispersing over wider areas |
| 20:30.35 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 20:30.35 | GD12 | hi |
| 20:30.38 | Xisuthros | hi |
| 20:30.46 | Hachiman | hi |
| 20:31.22 | Aeo | True. We do know that russians are not humans, but rather sapeint bears on unicycles. (That is not racist unless you think being a sapient bear on a unicycle makes you less of a person, in which case you are the real racist.) |
| 20:31.57 | Monet | Nah |
| 20:32.01 | Monet | It's nationalist |
| 20:33.17 | Aeo | No. There's nothing wrong with being a sapient bear, thus it is not any ist to call someone a sapient bear. |
| 20:34.16 | Xisuthros | It's going to be hard when we encounter aliens and inevitably discriminate against them/are discriminated against by them, because "speciesist" is really awkward to both say and type |
| 20:34.26 | Wormy_away | Xisuthros: This is what SporeWiki channel is like 24/7 lol |
| 20:34.30 | Monet | Specist. |
| 20:34.33 | Ghelae | I was about to ask, if you have a problem with sapient bears, are you a racist or are you actually a speciesist? |
| 20:34.51 | ImpyDroid | Wormy_away: I wish I got *paid* for shitposting |
| 20:35.05 | Ghelae | Perhaps we'll use "racist" to refer to discrimination against groups of sapient beings in general, not just humans. |
| 20:35.39 | Aeo | Xisuthros: Not entirely true. Later at night, like, in around 6-7 hours, it will be completely silent, despire three or four people being on. They will be on the side, listed, but not conversing. |
| 20:36.10 | Ghelae | This would inevitably lead to people being called racist for using the word "speciesist" to refer to discrimination against particular species, because they're implying said species is non-sapient. |
| 20:36.14 | Xisuthros | ImpyDroid: If my experience on other sites similar to this is any indication, IRC chat's main function is to draw in the shitposts like a magnet so they don't end up anywhere else on the site |
| 20:36.41 | Cyrannian | brb |
| 20:37.10 | Hachiman | Xisuthros: Pretty much that although the admins still make threads unfortunately |
| 20:37.47 | Wormy_away | ImpyDroid: I can't fault that as a career choice. |
| 20:38.32 | Aeo | Xisuthros: Not entirely true here, really. It's more like we shitpost here because we need something to do here. Also, we use this place to coordinate the crossovers which make up the majority of the narrative fiction here. |
| 20:39.05 | Wormy_away | Isn't shitposting fun? That is what this discussion is missing :P |
| 20:39.27 | Xisuthros | shitposts |
| 20:39.53 | Wormy_away | But in reality, what I really mean is, it can go from that to highly intellectual within seconds |
| 20:39.59 | Aeo | Xisuthros: But to peoperly introduce myself: I am Aeoneonatrix. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Aeoneonatrix Here is the main thing I work on. |
| 20:41.17 | Xisuthros | I don't think you were on the site the first time I was here. Nice to meet you. |
| 20:41.55 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS And here is a thing i do that's not that that you can easily participate in. I am also the one here who knows about philosophy. And thank you. Nice to meet you too. |
| 20:44.24 | Xisuthros | the PGPS sounds interesting. I'm working on a creature that I'm trying to create a very alien culture and worldview for, so an essay submitted by one might be interesting to write. |
| 20:45.48 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman OluapPlayer Xho: So apparently the national anthem of Catalonia (That's where Barcelona is) is called "The Reapers" |
| 20:46.07 | Hachiman | Song about skeleton lords |
| 20:46.28 | OluapPlayer | assumin direkt controllll |
| 20:46.39 | Hachiman | Oh right those Reapers |
| 20:47.12 | Ghelae | Xisuthros: Funnily enough, one of your old Yarsofpupae fictions came up in conversation on IRC recently (it might have been yesterday; I lose track of time here)... at least, I thought it was yours. |
| 20:47.27 | Xisuthros | Ghelae: Wow, that's weird. What was the name? |
| 20:47.48 | OluapPlayer | Don't see how you got to skeletons from there |
| 20:48.21 | Ghelae | It was because a user had mentioned the Surivorter Empire on one of their fiction pages, and thought it might be a problem. I looked at the page and the infobox has your name on it (but looking at the history just now it seems to have been made by a "Cyclopian"). |
| 20:48.23 | Hachiman | Grim Reaper |
| 20:48.54 | Ghelae | So I just told them that what they wrote wasn't too much of a problem, but in the unlikely case that the user who created the page ever comes back and has a problem with it, then it would have to be changed. |
| 20:49.18 | ImpyDroid | Harbinger - I AM EL HARBINGER OF YOUR PERFECÄIO |
| 20:49.35 | Xisuthros | Ghelae: Oh yeah, at some point I changed my name to Cyclopian as part of an aborted return to the wiki. It actually is mine, though I don't think I'm going to do anything with it |
| 20:50.06 | Ghelae | Would you like me to go through and delete any/all of your old pages? |
| 20:50.11 | Xisuthros | Fun fact: Surivorter is just "Retrovirus" backwards. I wasn't very good at naming things. |
| 20:50.43 | ImpyDroid | Now ded |
| 20:50.58 | Xisuthros | Ghelae: If you want to, I'm not going to use the really old stuff like the Ctron. Leave the main Surivorter page though, I put some effort into it. |
| 20:51.03 | Ghelae | I personally tend to use the "hit random keys on the keyboard and put vowels in until it sounds like a name" method myself. :P |
| 20:52.12 | Ghelae | I'll leave the choice to you. |
| 20:52.46 | Xisuthros | Though actually while I started out with the "naming things backwards" method, I later constructed a really rudimentary conlang out of the names that I used to name other things. |
| 20:53.07 | Ghelae | Also, by the looks of things, Cyclopian was what you changed your username to. A lot of the earlier contributions are credited to Yarsofpupae. |
| 20:54.13 | Xisuthros | YEp |
| 20:54.15 | Xisuthros | *Yep |
| 20:56.33 | Ghelae | Although this page has been untouched for so long parts of it may not be canon any more, IIRC the "Kcaj Galaxy" section of http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Grox_Wars/Phase_1 was also yours. I will remove that if you don't want that fiction any more. |
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| 20:58.39 | Aeo | Xisuthros: That's still quite clever by wikiverse standards. GD12's species is called the "Drakodominatus Tyranny." |
| 20:59.07 | Hachiman | To be fair |
| 20:59.07 | Xisuthros | Oh yeah, get rid of anything mentioning the "Kcaj" galaxy. It's embarrasing, honestly. |
| 20:59.15 | Xisuthros | Kill it with fire |
| 20:59.19 | Ghelae | I didn't think you'd want to keep it. :P |
| 20:59.20 | Hachiman | The DT were written to be exaggerated villains |
| 20:59.43 | Aeo | I joked very early on that you can accurately guess the alignment of any race, organization or entity by its name. |
| 21:01.03 | Xisuthros | I'm going to put that to the test. My new species are called the "Shoalers" and they're governed by the "International Space Authority" and the "Extraterrestrial Rights and Obligations Commission". Guess their alignment. |
| 21:01.53 | Aeo | I'm going to say evil because you're probably doing it on purpose to trick me. Any other day I'd say good. |
| 21:02.29 | Xisuthros | Lawful good. Nice work |
| 21:02.36 | Xisuthros | (I wasn't trying to trick you) |
| 21:03.06 | Xisuthros | I tried to make the government names somewhat bureaucratic and "boring" sounding. |
| 21:07.39 | Aeo | I see. |
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| 21:14.46 | drom | The aggressive faction that rushes beam weaponry (it's seriously fucking OP in GalCivIII) and overkills everyone in the game, kills the game for me. |
| 21:19.45 | drom | I'll wait buying the game until an update/mod balancing the weaponry and defense has released. |
| 21:21.25 | drom | So far I've learnt it, the only defense against a beam weapon is shields, which requires around two of them to counter a single beam weapon of same grade. More if it is a prototype part. |
| 21:21.54 | TekDroid | What game is this? |
| 21:22.03 | drom | Galactic Civilizations III |
| 21:22.27 | TekDroid | Ah |
| 21:22.40 | drom | I've just recently pirated it, just to make sure if it is worth my money. |
| 21:22.50 | Wormy_away | So they are like Cravers? |
| 21:23.39 | drom | They are much more aggressive and hostile to other races, I wonder how much it is comparable to that. |
| 21:23.47 | Monet | Well there's the Drengin |
| 21:23.54 | Monet | But Drengin are more like the Klingons |
| 21:24.27 | drom | Monet: Fun fact, it was the Drengin |
| 21:24.46 | drom | Played on beginningers difficulty. Still overkill. |
| 21:25.23 | drom | I've also noticed that Kinetic weapons are completely useless due to their tiny damage output regardless technology grade. |
| 21:25.35 | TekDroid | huh |
| 21:26.47 | drom | While Armor, a defensive part to counter kinetic weapons, is way powerful. But yet useless to be included on a ship due to the general flaw of kinetic weapons. |
| 21:27.15 | drom | What I'm trying to say, Armor is like the Beam's defense cousin. |
| 21:28.38 | drom | Ugh, enough ranting |
| 21:38.26 | Cyrannian|Away | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Brezank_Awakens#Chapter_Five:_The_Core - The exciting ending, c dis |
| 21:38.39 | OluapPlayer | Yush |
| 21:38.41 | OluapPlayer | Check that |
| 21:38.54 | OluapPlayer | Featuring all of the Phaedric Order battling together for the first time in a story |
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| 21:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | Hey everyone |
| 21:40.13 | Monet | *ahem* |
| 21:40.16 | Monet | Hello |
| 21:40.34 | Monet | OluapPlayer: *ahem. Points at Tytho* |
| 21:41.15 | OluapPlayer | Yes, she's member of the Order, and she's included |
| 21:42.55 | Hachiman | Damn, that was a pretty good conclusion |
| 21:43.10 | Hachiman | The battle against the Core was pretty epic |
| 21:43.51 | Monet | No no it's fine. I just feel a little left out that's all. |
| 21:44.14 | Monet | But it happens |
| 21:45.27 | OluapPlayer | If you don't want us to mention her then I can remove it |
| 21:46.51 | Monet | No keep her in. She's part of the order after all. |
| 21:47.02 | OluapPlayer | If you say so |
| 21:47.17 | OluapPlayer | I should've asked first and I apologize for it |
| 21:50.24 | Aeo | test |
| 21:51.57 | TekDroid | failure. |
| 21:52.46 | Wormy_away | I love the Broken Lords theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHyw9agRCZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T3Du6_34l8 |
| 21:54.30 | Monet | Oluapplayer: I know things haven't been perfect with us. And it's been a while since we did stuff so I'm getting over it. |
| 21:55.56 | Wormy_away | Aeo: You might like this faction, they are living in a moral dilemma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QShlOWkvp1I |
| 21:58.04 | OluapPlayer | Yes. We've not collaborated in ages |
| 22:01.14 | Monet | Well I had a thought, it's a rushed thought but maybe it'll help with alternatives. |
| 22:02.35 | OluapPlayer | Oh? |
| 22:09.56 | drom | Wormy_away Monet TekDroid Techno: Breakdown on Deus Ex: HR's graphical rendering. http://www.adriancourreges.com/blog/2015/03/10/deus-ex-human-revolution-graphics-study/ |
| 22:11.40 | Wormy_away | At a glance (I'm still rather busy) that looks like multi-pass rendering techniques |
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| 22:12.24 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 22:12.38 | Wormy_away | drom: Check dis https://www.marmoset.co/toolbag/learn/pbr-theory |
| 22:13.43 | Monet | drom: And a good PC can calibrate all that 60 times a second. |
| 22:13.45 | Wormy_away | Its useful in game engines as it creates dynamic lighting scenarios |
| 22:14.09 | Monet | That is impressive |
| 22:14.37 | drom | While I'm a software engineer. I never thought that a computer that can manage this many calls per second. |
| 22:15.17 | Wormy_away | In short: Photorealistic rendering comforts the internal mental models we have of lighting, Physicall-based rendering is an attempt to simulate the actual physics of lighting |
| 22:16.04 | Wormy_away | It is amazing, yes |
| 22:16.57 | Wormy_away | But it also makes me scratch my head how the human brain can seemingly create effortless "renderings" of shapes, lighting, and motion |
| 22:17.14 | Monet | Easy |
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| 22:17.27 | drom | Seeing that a CLI application can do 500 random numbers and then put them all in a line per second. |
| 22:17.32 | Monet | Each neuron acts like a cluster of microprocessors |
| 22:18.10 | Wormy_away | Well yes, it has amazing amount of processing power but doesn't need to whir, freeze or overheat |
| 22:18.38 | Wormy_away | Of course the "renderings" must be mixture of analogy and memory too |
| 22:18.45 | Monet | Our brains are watercooled. |
| 22:19.12 | Monet | Yeah, what you see in a game like Deus Ex is quite different to what Autodesk Maya does |
| 22:24.25 | drom | Don't forget our eyes aswell. |
| 22:25.09 | drom | They are like GPUs.. |
| 22:26.01 | Wormy_away | Well, I'm referring more to those "conjoured images" you can create in a flash |
| 22:26.25 | Wormy_away | But I suppose the brain must make use of a fuckload of sensory data |
| 22:26.45 | Wormy_away | much of it is cast away and dealt with subconsciously |
| 22:28.10 | Wormy_away | The scary thing is, some scientists think the neuronal activity is just the surface. Its controversial but some postulate microtubles are where the true processing power is. |
| 22:29.38 | Wormy_away | Its estimated that if its correct, there are 10^27 operations per second in the brain. |
| 22:30.26 | Wormy_away | Neuronal activity would account for 10^14 in comparison. Keep in mind these figures are from late 90's estimates |
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| 22:35.34 | drom | This is impressive: http://i.imgur.com/UNvPoNC.webm |
| 22:37.31 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/t76oAep.jpg |
| 22:40.57 | drom | OluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/RZZJ4tm.png |
| 22:41.04 | drom | Try to pronounce the name |
| 22:41.36 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 22:41.47 | Monet | drom: HOOOOOOOOOONNNNK |
| 22:44.10 | Monet | PLaying Diablo III I find the rather cliched language kinda funny |
| 22:44.41 | Monet | "Diablo tried to posess Leoric but he was too strong-willed. Weakened, was eventually driven mad by Diablo's evil" |
| 22:44.54 | Monet | (that's not the actual language but a paraphrase) |
| 22:46.25 | drom | truck dragsters |
| 22:46.33 | drom | amercia and rossyia, y so crazy |
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| 22:50.39 | drom | This for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BvEz7Oi1TU |
| 22:52.14 | drom | Notice how the trucks get so much power, enough for one side to almost leave the ground |
| 23:05.31 | drom | pickup dragster racing, then you've got the most redneck tradition ever |
| 23:07.27 | drom | If semi-trucks ain't redneckish enough |
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| 23:12.20 | The_Randomness | ayy lmao |
| 23:13.18 | Hachiman | ayy lmao |
| 23:16.09 | Wormy_away | Why do you come in laughing your arse off? Put it away. |
| 23:28.41 | The_Randomness | puts his arse back on |
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| 23:48.29 | Quark8 | Hello. |
