| 00:03.29 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:05.20 | Technobliterator | fail |
| 00:06.28 | The_Randomness | Technobliterator: When I hit 17 it felt like I hit a wall in terms of getting experience. Am I bad at the game, am I not looking in the right places, or both? |
| 00:07.03 | Technobliterator | It slows down, but it shouldn't slow down that much |
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| 00:07.12 | Technobliterator | How were you gaining experience before? |
| 00:07.28 | The_Randomness | mostly quests, and this morning I did a few of those levewhatevers |
| 00:08.54 | Technobliterator | Oh, do hunting logs |
| 00:08.59 | The_Randomness | k |
| 00:09.09 | Technobliterator | Every day, make sure to run Low Level Roulette |
| 00:13.05 | The_Randomness | k |
| 00:13.32 | Technobliterator | That can usually net a level a run |
| 00:13.47 | The_Randomness | Like the level 15 raids? |
| 00:14.02 | The_Randomness | Or is that something else? |
| 00:24.25 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:27.13 | DrodoEmpire | I find it incredible how quickly the gaming community turned on Valve after the paid mods fiasco. :p Like, it was a definite blunder but it seems people are still bitter about it |
| 00:27.31 | The_Randomness | That just sounds like Reddit |
| 00:28.05 | The_Randomness | "wtf, you considered something we don't like? You are literally Hitler now." |
| 00:28.57 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah true |
| 00:29.00 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 00:30.23 | Technobliterator | The_Randomness, press U to enter duty finder then low level roulette should be an option |
| 00:30.33 | The_Randomness | rite |
| 00:33.04 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/68/Diabolusaurus.png/revision/latest?cb=20150519002940 - Diabolosaurus is a fifteen metre long superpredator native to the plains of Capricaerón |
| 00:35.45 | The_Randomness | waptor |
| 00:35.54 | DrodoEmpire | sooperwaptor |
| 00:35.57 | DrodoEmpire | :3 |
| 00:49.16 | The_Randomness | rite, time for more final fantasu |
| 00:54.21 | Aeo | TekDroid Charles_Murray I'm going to add some content to the Mandatory Mardor Empire and Former Mardor Territories pages. |
| 00:54.32 | Charles_Murray | Go ahead |
| 01:10.43 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:16.59 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mandatory_Mardor_Empire#Culture |
| 01:18.09 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mandatory_Mardor_Empire#Upgrade_to_Protectorate_Status_2800-2803 This section is non-canon and needs to be removed. |
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| 01:19.51 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 01:19.55 | DrodoEmpire | Hi. |
| 01:20.15 | Hachiman | Hai Panda |
| 01:20.35 | AdmiralPanda | beats Hachiman over the head with a Yoko body pillow |
| 01:20.59 | Hachiman | dats disrespectful 2 muh waifu |
| 01:21.23 | AdmiralPanda | Random is now less of a scrub at fFXIV than you are |
| 01:21.39 | Hachiman | I have not had much time for FFXIV hur |
| 01:21.50 | AdmiralPanda | I noticed |
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| 01:29.14 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:53.45 | Hachiman | The hell are you doing |
| 02:09.09 | Hachiman | Ohgod there is an advertisement for the Church of Scientology on the television |
| 02:09.12 | Hachiman | Fucking why |
| 02:10.09 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 02:13.58 | DrodoEmpire | Oh dear. |
| 02:14.29 | Hachiman | If I want to spend money to talk to aliens I would just buy recreational drugs from a local dealer |
| 02:14.36 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:21.20 | Comrade_Bunny | approves of that. |
| 02:24.50 | Comrade_Bunny | "Why drink and drive, when you can smoke and fly!" |
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| 09:06.53 | Liquid_Ink | Any of y'all study biology? |
| 09:14.50 | Ghelae | Panda's the only one I know of on the wiki who does. I did up until two years ago. |
| 09:15.48 | Liquid_Ink | You wouldn't happen to know what happens to somebody who ends up with two Y-chromosomes would you? |
| 09:16.01 | Ghelae | As in XYY or just YY? |
| 09:17.35 | Liquid_Ink | Just YY |
| 09:17.54 | Ghelae | The Y-chromosone is a lot smaller than the X and missing a lot of genes, which is why so many genetic diseases are sex-linked and biased against males: if there's a malfunctioning gene in a part of the X that's missing from the Y, women at least have a spare X copy that might have a working version, but men won't. |
| 09:18.31 | Ghelae | So I'm not sure if a YY baby would be entirely viable. If you can't find anything about them online, I'd assume that's why. |
| 09:23.14 | Ghelae | Athough thinking about it, the difficulty in not only having an extra copy of a paternal chromosome but also lacking the equivalent maternal chromosone would play a part. |
| 09:25.10 | Ghelae | But basically, I imagine they'd be so crippled with genetic diseases due to a huge deficit of functiong genes so as to be stillborn. |
| 09:25.16 | Ghelae | If that. |
| 09:27.34 | Ghelae | functioning* |
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| 10:35.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:37.36 | AdmiralPanda | that glorious feeling of success when you scrap a derelict ship and use its components to make a more functional ship at 1/3 the size |
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| 11:08.30 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 11:18.47 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:26.17 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
| 11:26.29 | OluapWorker | Hi |
| 11:29.26 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 11:30.09 | TekDroid | Did something change on the wiki? I'm having trouble on my phone. |
| 11:31.17 | OluapWorker | Not really no |
| 11:31.24 | OluapWorker | He'll never know |
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| 11:32.11 | TekDroid | Did something happen to the wiki? I'm having trouble with it on my phone |
| 11:32.20 | Hachiman | Not really no |
| 11:33.58 | TekDroid | For some reason I can only access the left half of the page, and can't scroll or zoom to that. |
| 11:34.55 | TekDroid | Goddamn Wikia. |
| 11:38.51 | TekDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.24 | Hachiman | Hm bizarre |
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| 12:11.53 | Hachiman | Fuck |
| 12:15.17 | AdmiralPanda | how did I ever play Space Engineers without remote drones |
| 12:15.54 | Hachiman | Badly by the sounds of it :p |
| 12:16.30 | AdmiralPanda | in my single player world I haven't left my main ship in the better part of five hours because I have drones to do literally everything |
| 12:28.38 | AdmiralPanda | trying to watch local LoL tournament but announcer has microphone way too close to mouth |
| 12:29.20 | Hachiman | Ouch |
| 12:30.11 | AdmiralPanda | it's a shame because he actually really knows his stuff, it's just painful to listen to him |
| 12:32.21 | ImpyDroid | OluapWorker Hachiman: So apparently Blizzard are preparing a remake of Warcraft III |
| 12:33.41 | OluapWorker | Source? |
| 12:35.31 | ImpyDroid | There were files found in the BattleNET launcher that suggest thst |
| 12:35.54 | OluapWorker | Huh |
| 12:36.31 | OluapWorker | Well I welcome a Warcraft which's not WoW |
| 12:37.04 | OluapWorker | I wouldn't mind a Warcraft III with less blocky graphics |
| 12:39.22 | ImpyDroid | There is also a Russian mod which remakes WCIII using SCII as a base in the making |
| 12:42.00 | OluapWorker | Game companies don't tend to appreciate that kind of thing |
| 12:42.09 | OluapWorker | Unless it's Valve |
| 12:43.05 | OluapWorker | There were some folks trying to remake Super Mario 64 recently and they got cease and desisted |
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| 12:43.21 | ImpyDroid | Blizzard allowed them to proceed |
| 12:43.26 | ImpyDroid | http://tavernofheroes.ru/content/images/Alliance.jpg Cheeki breeki |
| 12:43.46 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:43.57 | OluapWorker | Oh so they got permission |
| 12:44.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:44.12 | OluapWorker | And that does look pretty good |
| 12:44.19 | OluapWorker | Glory to Thrallinski |
| 12:44.23 | OluapWorker | Hi wormy |
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| 12:47.32 | OluapWorker | I kind of feel bad whenever I remember Warcraft III because I cheated my way through all the campaigns |
| 12:48.04 | OluapWorker | Mainly because I actually SUCK at RTSs |
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| 12:53.03 | Comrade_Vinny | Hey ImpyDroid! :D |
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| 12:56.11 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:56.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:56.27 | Monet | hi |
| 13:04.37 | AdmiralPanda | alrighty I'm passing out |
| 13:21.47 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11050209_429775937183107_9085577499360822042_n.png?oh=642b7d48d6cd478930cbc9781df1d184&oe=55C1572C&__gda__=1439031024_8427f0bcccde8e71a34fe0c17335b063 >bee me |
| 13:22.49 | Wormy_ | they are good plates |
| 13:22.49 | Wormy_ | nice and deep |
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| 13:25.26 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11167701_684739975006124_5031253616792713103_n.png?oh=df2c364045b9013877f6ea55166f373b&oe=560831A7 |
| 13:32.48 | Technobliterator | TekDroid, the new skin I showed was a preview of what was coming the following day |
| 13:33.11 | Technobliterator | But yes, the wiki should appear differently, particularly on larger monitors |
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| 13:33.46 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 13:35.34 | Monet | Technobliterator: Everything feels narrower. |
| 13:35.51 | Technobliterator | It is |
| 13:36.34 | Monet | It's...its like watching a video recorded vertically on a widescreen. Bit disorienting |
| 13:36.35 | Technobliterator | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Layout_Changes:_Breakpoints_and_Typography |
| 13:39.00 | Hachiman | Ohgod I just F5'd the Recent Changes and everything looks horrible |
| 13:39.09 | Hachiman | Why the fuck is the text so big |
| 13:39.29 | OluapWorker | I see no difference |
| 13:39.43 | Technobliterator | ctrl+F5 |
| 13:39.48 | OluapWorker | Done that |
| 13:39.50 | OluapWorker | No difference |
| 13:40.02 | Technobliterator | You're one of the lucky ones, then |
| 13:40.07 | Wormy_ | I hate Wikia's obession with empty space. Of course its for more ads |
| 13:40.19 | Technobliterator | No, it's not because of that |
| 13:40.20 | Wormy_ | I'm not seeing differences yet |
| 13:40.29 | Hachiman | I don't like it |
| 13:40.31 | Technobliterator | It's them trying to make a better resolution for tablet and phone users |
| 13:40.32 | Hachiman | Change it back |
| 13:40.35 | Technobliterator | while shafting desktop users |
| 13:40.42 | Monet | I was going to accuse the site of smartphoneification myself yeah |
| 13:41.09 | Technobliterator | Oh, sure, I'll change it back with my Wikia Staff overriding powers! Oh wait... |
| 13:41.20 | Hachiman | So we are stuck with this |
| 13:41.26 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 13:41.37 | Hachiman | It is almost like Wikia wants to lose users |
| 13:41.46 | Wormy_ | Well I recall the original reasons for the skin change was to make ads more noticeable. But I agree it probably is for tablet users. |
| 13:41.59 | Technobliterator | They don't give a fuck |
| 13:42.04 | Technobliterator | They survived Oasis, they'll survive this |
| 13:42.22 | Hachiman | I use adblock so the whole thing is pointless to me |
| 13:42.36 | Technobliterator | pft, who doesn't use adblock |
| 13:42.40 | Hachiman | And I do not access Wikia from a tablet device either |
| 13:42.48 | OluapWorker | They don't do things thinking of who uses adblock |
| 13:42.59 | OluapWorker | If anything you're harmful to them |
| 13:43.13 | Wormy_ | Of course you've got to remember they are reaching out for wider demographics, because if wikia's UI becomes more externally consistent with the latest social networks then it will get more types of people viewing it, clicking on pages and ads. So there is marketing involved here. |
| 13:43.43 | Monet | Actually what's wierd according to the page you linked Techno, they estimated that only 16% of traffic is though vertical screens but they still went with the portrait option. |
| 13:43.43 | Technobliterator | thus, why I hate capitalism and for-profit wikiafarms |
| 13:43.51 | Wormy_ | That is bad for traditional wiki editors |
| 13:44.36 | Hachiman | OluapWorker: http://i.imgur.com/rUWWjwK.png Since you cannot see the changes made on your end |
| 13:44.47 | Wormy_ | They are probably trying to make wikia externally consistent, its a strategy in designing user interfaces |
| 13:45.18 | OluapWorker | Eh |
| 13:45.22 | OluapWorker | Looks normal to me |
| 13:45.45 | Wormy_ | I still can't see the difference, but I am on a laptop |
| 13:46.15 | OluapWorker | Same |
| 13:46.16 | Monet | My work at uni requires me to be accustomed to working at 1920x1080p, so it feels bery wierd to me. |
| 13:46.24 | Technobliterator | bbl gym |
| 13:46.40 | Hachiman | http://i.imgur.com/mGw8dpp.png No joke, this is what I see when I go to the Recent Changes |
| 13:46.43 | Wormy_ | I will no doubt be upset when I return to the desktop |
| 13:46.44 | Hachiman | This fills up the entire PAGE |
| 13:47.15 | Wormy_ | ghastly |
| 13:47.16 | OluapWorker | How is that different from normal? |
| 13:47.21 | OluapWorker | Mine has always been like that |
| 13:47.26 | Hachiman | Ugh how can you not see it |
| 13:47.44 | Hachiman | The text is fucking huge |
| 13:48.01 | Wormy_ | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/6/68/Changes.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150519122648 |
| 13:48.04 | OluapWorker | I'm comparing your picture to my RC page and the text has the same size |
| 13:48.07 | Wormy_ | Somebody has made a gif |
| 13:48.10 | OluapWorker | It's unchanged |
| 13:48.46 | Hachiman | The gif shows exactly what happened |
| 13:48.53 | Monet | "desktop XL body text size - 16p" who the fuck uses size 16 body text on an encycloaedia? |
| 13:49.15 | OluapWorker | I'll compare it again when I'm on my home PC |
| 13:49.25 | OluapWorker | Because the wiki looks exactly the same as it always did on this laptop |
| 13:50.37 | Hachiman | The original desktop body text size was between 9-11 if I remember correctly |
| 13:50.42 | Monet | 10-11 is fine |
| 13:50.51 | Monet | 12, not too bad |
| 13:51.22 | Monet | I write my essays on a size-12 two-page spread. |
| 13:51.45 | Wormy_ | I tell you why its a bad interface for desktop users, human-computer interfaces are considered bad when the reader's eye has to scroll across more of the screen. Basic stuff |
| 13:52.45 | Wormy_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interaction#Factors_of_change |
| 13:54.15 | Wormy_ | Oops |
| 13:55.13 | Wormy_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interaction#Display_designs |
| 13:55.15 | Wormy_ | Pretty sure it failing some principles for desktop users |
| 13:55.15 | Wormy_ | What a shame when we live in the age of code resisizing everything |
| 13:55.16 | Hachiman | This is going to deter me from entering so much text into my pages |
| 13:55.16 | Hachiman | I fucking hate Wikia staff sometimes |
| 13:55.38 | Wormy_ | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/2/23/Why_wikia.png/revision/latest?cb=20150519123626 |
| 13:55.42 | Monet | Suits are strange people sometimes. |
| 13:56.11 | Wormy_ | all those gaps just look like broken web design to me |
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| 13:59.00 | Monet | It would help me to see if wikia fixed the present glitch of those pagelinks not showing something os tiny. |
| 13:59.00 | Monet | so tiny* |
| 13:59.00 | Monet | hello |
| 13:59.01 | AdmiralPanda | body decided now was not the time to pass out |
| 14:03.27 | Monet | Hachiman: Considering your writing style, I think you have a chance as a novelist. |
| 14:09.40 | Hachiman | Doubt it |
| 14:09.42 | Wormy_ | I might write a book one day |
| 14:09.42 | Hachiman | Becoming a novelist is basically condemning yourself to a life of disappointment and constant hardships |
| 14:09.43 | Hachiman | You have a one in several thousand chance of being able to make a stable and comfortable living from books |
| 14:09.43 | Wormy_ | like any job hur |
| 14:09.43 | Wormy_ | But seriously I know what you mean |
| 14:09.43 | Monet | Okay, maybe you can consider it a side-job. |
| 14:09.44 | Wormy_ | I wouldn't want to write books as a job |
| 14:09.44 | Wormy_ | or career choice |
| 14:10.05 | Monet | What about joining more than one writing community? |
| 14:10.12 | Hachiman | I mean I would like to work as a writer or a novelist but it is extremely unlikely that I would be able to become accomplished and known |
| 14:10.27 | Monet | My mum's worked self-employed for at least 12 years and she's pretty adamant that a big paart of success is who you know |
| 14:10.31 | OluapWorker | You'd have to finish your novels |
| 14:10.39 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:10.44 | Monet | Last year for instance she's managed to get work in Southern France and America because of her own reputation. If you join a writing community you might become friends with somsone who is a longtime client or friend of a publisher. |
| 14:10.47 | Hachiman | Hm I could do that maybe |
| 14:10.48 | Hachiman | It could be something I look into if I ever get into university |
| 14:26.00 | Monet | Keep your options open :) |
| 14:26.07 | Hachiman | I mean creative design in video games is fun and all but a lot of it is difficult specialist stuff |
| 14:26.07 | Monet | Also what were you thinking of doing if you do go to uni? |
| 14:26.07 | Hachiman | Honestly I am not sure |
| 14:26.10 | Hachiman | I mean I have a year and a half or so to decide what I want to do and which university I wanna go to |
| 14:26.10 | OluapWorker | you and me create a game company |
| 14:26.10 | OluapWorker | you can be the Metzen |
| 14:26.11 | Monet | Lol |
| 14:26.11 | Hachiman | hur |
| 14:26.15 | Monet | Well if you're considering video game design i guess it depends what particular aspect intrigues you. |
| 14:26.16 | Hachiman | There is supposedly a university in Portsmouth that offers good courses relating to the video game industry and other forms of creative media, like film and television, although there is also a closer university in Brighton which I have not looked entirely into yet |
| 14:26.16 | Monet | Art or programming? |
| 14:26.17 | Hachiman | I want to say art but I just do not think I have a knack for it |
| 14:26.17 | Hachiman | Then again I am only a student so |
| 14:26.17 | Monet | Everyone starts somewhere. |
| 14:26.19 | Hachiman | Plus artists tend to get the short end of the straw regarding career choices |
| 14:26.19 | Monet | Actually form what I've been told, the industry's been growing lately |
| 14:26.19 | Hachiman | Either they are over-worked or under-worked and a lot of them are self-employed, which means they have to figure their own finances and such |
| 14:26.21 | Monet | Hollywood studios have been looking to ENgland lately for artists and animators. |
| 14:26.21 | Hachiman | I would say I am more inclined towards the writing aspect of it all so it would be largely artistic |
| 14:26.25 | Monet | I'd say the creative industry as a whole is very competetive and high-demand |
| 14:26.25 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:26.27 | Monet | And as you said, can be undervalued sometimes. One thing that got mentioned on my final crit day (I might have forgotten it partially though) was that when it comes ot animation, what is admired and what moments work tends to talked about less than the stuff that is off-putting; |
| 14:26.29 | Monet | Hardly anyone comments when a character's animation is fluid and organic, but everyone talks about when a character's motion is jarring, slow or stiff. |
| 14:26.30 | Hachiman | It is because good animation quality is expected |
| 14:29.18 | Monet | And when it works, peopel say nothing ,yeah. "No news is good news" |
| 14:29.23 | Hachiman | Pretty much sums up the news industry as a whole |
| 14:29.23 | Hachiman | This is why much of modern media leans towards negative inclination |
| 14:29.23 | Monet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051r7j4 yeah |
| 14:29.30 | AdmiralPanda | thing is the games industry has kinda run out of new things to praise, especially since they can't sell games on having more realistic graphics anymore |
| 14:30.26 | AdmiralPanda | the last time I heard an honest good review for anything other than not screwing up was Dark Souls |
| 14:31.42 | Wormy_ | News if either bad news or trash news |
| 14:31.46 | Wormy_ | *is |
| 14:32.09 | Wormy_ | I mean honestly do we need Obama's new twitter account in the front headlines? |
| 14:32.27 | AdmiralPanda | the sad thing is, what I want to get into is story design for games, but the number of jobs there is tiny as fuck |
| 14:32.52 | AdmiralPanda | fortunately I live in Brisbane, and the indie dev scene here is huge |
| 14:33.22 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 14:33.42 | Hachiman | Now I know where I might head to should I ever want to pursue story and game design hur |
| 14:34.18 | Monet | Go for a small studio |
| 14:34.45 | Monet | If mainstream cinema has taught us anything its that the bigger the production team, the mroe muddled a story can potentially get |
| 14:35.03 | Wormy_ | I have interest in getting into the niche area scientific visualisation, since I studied both geology and interactive media now. |
| 14:35.42 | Wormy_ | I made a visualisation of subduction recently http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Subduction_test_render.png |
| 14:35.56 | Hachiman | Aye as an in-house or out-sourcing studio you are subject to executive meddling, while as an independent developer you are practically liberated from those constraints beyond your own budget |
| 14:36.02 | AdmiralPanda | the neat thing about Brisbane is that the AAA developers over here have started quitting and starting their own studios |
| 14:36.21 | Monet | Then again if you're going freelance, being versatile is highly prised |
| 14:36.37 | AdmiralPanda | the not-so-neat thing is I have no clue how to get in contact with any of them to figure out how they got their jobs in the first place |
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| 14:37.53 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 14:38.49 | AdmiralPanda | I mean Half-Brick Studios (a.k.a. the guys behind Fruit Ninja) are over here, so it's not for lack of quality workplaces |
| 14:40.12 | Hachiman | I would honestly hate to have to work with stuff like mobile or handheld devices considering you cannot really fit much beyond simple emulation onto them |
| 14:42.03 | Technobliterator | That's not true |
| 14:42.11 | Technobliterator | mobile devices are useful as hell |
| 14:42.20 | AdmiralPanda | I have to disagree on that point, but then again stories have been told since before writing existed so my part of the gaming industry isn't limited by what console you're on |
| 14:42.43 | AdmiralPanda | there's also the fact that the average mobile device is vastly more powerful than what were once top-of-the-line gaming consoles |
| 14:43.47 | Wormy_ | The app market is also appealing to a wider audience who never gamed before. |
| 14:45.06 | AdmiralPanda | many of whom also favour core experiences that don't involve dominance, the go-to for AAA games (and male audiences) |
| 14:45.10 | Hachiman | Name me an example of a well-selling game that sells primarily on mobiles that can be considered comparable to the likes of monumental console/PC titles in regards to aspects beyond replayability |
| 14:45.30 | Hachiman | Because I cannot think of any considering a vast majority of games developed for mobiles are emulation-focused |
| 14:47.13 | AdmiralPanda | most mobile games are designed with abnegation as their core experience- that is to say, the point is an engaged time-burn |
| 14:47.16 | Hachiman | Then again honestly I cannot talk because I do not have a mobile that supports stuff like apps hur |
| 14:47.27 | AdmiralPanda | compared to CoD which features Dominance as its core experience |
| 14:48.02 | AdmiralPanda | it's just a little ignorant to compare mobile games to console games when their audience and thus core experiences are different |
| 14:48.16 | Technobliterator | well, kotor exists on mobile devices |
| 14:48.44 | Hachiman | My original claim was that I know the differences exist and thus cannot be compared and that I would prefer to work with proper platforms such as consoles rather than mobiles because of it |
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| 14:49.02 | Technobliterator | Console gaming is dead/dying, though |
| 14:49.08 | AdmiralPanda | so your definition of "proper" doesn't allow for one of the core experiences of gaming |
| 14:49.10 | Technobliterator | While mobile gaming is only gaining prominence |
| 14:49.12 | AdmiralPanda | that's a problem, tbh |
| 14:49.46 | Hachiman | I would not consider a mobile phone a proper platform in the same manner I do not consider an Xbone a console |
| 14:51.17 | Hachiman | Although tbf that is just me being ignorant, I tend not to consider mobile games as *actual* games simply because of a lack of exposure to them |
| 14:51.59 | AdmiralPanda | the first step is admitting it :P |
| 14:52.03 | Monet | A number of modern games are a combination of game and narrative. |
| 14:52.16 | Hachiman | Stuff like Flappy Bird or the plethora of identical reskinned games I find difficult to dub as *games* and not as something else entirely |
| 14:52.27 | Technobliterator | They're games by definition |
| 14:52.35 | Monet | While stuff like CoD and Angry Birds are a digital adaptation of common playground games |
| 14:52.35 | OluapWorker | PC domination when |
| 14:52.44 | Comrade_Vinny | AndroImpy: Made this for the Andromeda actual tribes: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/23/Clan_Flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20150519133330 |
| 14:53.05 | AndroImpy | Porcupine |
| 14:53.07 | AdmiralPanda | shovelware games are still games, thing is they're entirely abnegation games whereas most games just have abnegation as an element |
| 14:53.11 | AndroImpy | What is this war exsctly |
| 14:53.15 | Wormy_ | Mobile games are games for non-gamers, maybe. |
| 14:53.27 | AdmiralPanda | which is why some people view them as slightly lesser |
| 14:53.32 | AndroImpy | *that for |
| 14:53.35 | Hachiman | Such as me hur |
| 14:53.39 | AdmiralPanda | shovelware as a whole needs to die off |
| 14:53.46 | Hachiman | Because, I am afraid to say, I view them as *casual* games |
| 14:53.56 | AdmiralPanda | they are |
| 14:53.58 | AdmiralPanda | that's the point |
| 14:54.01 | AndroImpy | Yeah |
| 14:54.01 | AdmiralPanda | the entire reason they exist |
| 14:54.01 | OluapWorker | Watch out we got a badass over here |
| 14:54.09 | AndroImpy | Kazhul |
| 14:54.10 | AdmiralPanda | calling them inferior because they're casual is pathetic |
| 14:54.15 | AndroImpy | Cajul |
| 14:54.36 | Hachiman | I am not saying casual games are bad, I have had a lot of good experience with casual gaming |
| 14:54.49 | AdmiralPanda | I'll be perfectly honest, I still play Fruit Ninja on the bus because it's abnegation, and that's all I want out of the game |
| 14:54.59 | Wormy_ | Well that is how they are marketed. There are actually now more "app" "gamers" than anyone else and those happen to be older people interestingly. But still casuals. |
| 14:55.05 | OluapWorker | just cus u cant git gud |
| 14:55.23 | AdmiralPanda | understanding the core experience each game tries to deliver on is an essential part of game design |
| 14:56.04 | AdmiralPanda | when your interest is abnegation, Fruit Ninja is just as great a game as CoD is when you're seeking dominance |
| 14:56.53 | Hachiman | I suppose that is fair enough, I tend to forget that some demographics of people are not as drawn into the narrative side of gaming as they are the abnegation or domination aspect of it |
| 14:57.24 | AdmiralPanda | narrative is only one of nine core experiences :P |
| 14:57.46 | Hachiman | Complex narrative is not ideal for abnegation thus not really suited for mobile, which is why I would not want to work with mobile gaming hur |
| 14:58.03 | OluapWorker | Doesn't matter how good your narrative is if the gameplay is shit |
| 14:58.04 | Monet | Same way not everyone is drawn by a thrilling narrative like Inception or Interstellar, but those who enjoy Interstellar might be bored stif watching Transformers. |
| 14:58.45 | AndroImpy | EXPLOSIONS |
| 14:58.49 | AndroImpy | BOOBS |
| 14:58.52 | Monet | The more you try to appeal to everyone the more your chili con carne becomes porrige. |
| 14:58.54 | AndroImpy | EXPLOSIONS |
| 14:58.58 | AndroImpy | ROBOTS |
| 14:58.59 | OluapWorker | I'm interested already |
| 14:59.13 | AndroImpy | Oh, and AMERICAN FLAG |
| 14:59.18 | Hachiman | Honestly that is why Transformers is a guilty pleasure for me |
| 14:59.22 | AndroImpy | Ditto |
| 14:59.26 | OluapWorker | not dat interestin anymor |
| 14:59.27 | Hachiman | Minus the American patriotism hur |
| 14:59.48 | AndroImpy | ...that was a very random intervention but I pretty much described Bayformers |
| 15:00.25 | Technobliterator | I'll just say this |
| 15:00.43 | Technobliterator | I'd take a bunch of people playing Flappy Bird over people playing COD any day of the fucking week |
| 15:00.51 | AndroImpy | Personally I do not mind patriotism but Bay puts this over the top, especially considering that most od his movies' viewers are not Americans |
| 15:00.54 | Technobliterator | Or any generic bullshit zombie shooter |
| 15:00.54 | AndroImpy | *most of |
| 15:01.11 | Hachiman | But Flappy Bird is a generic bullshit zombie shooter disguised as a bird |
| 15:01.13 | Monet | A porrige that is supertasty and adored by everyone is what executives want. Unfortunately it's also a nigh-impossibility. |
| 15:01.18 | Hachiman | It is the same thing over and over again |
| 15:01.19 | OluapWorker | Call of Bird |
| 15:01.27 | OluapWorker | Flappy Duty |
| 15:01.31 | Hachiman | hur |
| 15:01.38 | Technobliterator | Which costs only a quid and was made by a few people |
| 15:01.46 | Technobliterator | More or less indie developers |
| 15:02.07 | Technobliterator | Instead of HUGE ASS CORPORATE FUCKS PUSHING FOR GARBAGE CONSUMERISM BULLSHIT POLICIES |
| 15:02.12 | Technobliterator | fuck capitalism |
| 15:02.20 | AndroImpy | Aye comrade |
| 15:03.01 | Monet | Come to think of it I think I've worked out why I keep talking about executive mindsets like I'm a nexpert: I've played EVE |
| 15:03.10 | AdmiralPanda | this is the part where I remind people that Modern Warfare was actually a good game by all accounts, and that the problem is the publishers not the developers |
| 15:03.20 | Wormy_ | Maybe we should make the wiki skin red in protest of Wikia's capitalist pig dog attitudes |
| 15:03.30 | AndroImpy | Wormy_: I approve |
| 15:03.41 | Technobliterator | I agree with this |
| 15:03.44 | Technobliterator | And delete EA's page |
| 15:03.45 | Hachiman | I prefered World at War personally but yeah Modern Warfare is very highly acclaimed |
| 15:03.46 | Technobliterator | :) |
| 15:04.19 | AndroImpy | I think I could play another game once I am done with my exams and I thought of trying another genre |
| 15:04.29 | Wormy_ | Just replace EA's symbol with the hammer and sickle |
| 15:04.40 | AndroImpy | Actually nvm |
| 15:04.44 | Technobliterator | Or replace the article with unencyclopediac content |
| 15:05.01 | Hachiman | That is vandalism |
| 15:05.16 | Technobliterator | "Electronic Arts is a well-known extortionist corporation known for exploiting game developers for huge ridiculous sums of cash" |
| 15:05.26 | Technobliterator | Nope, vandalism is adding incorrect information to pages |
| 15:05.27 | Monet | That and I also read a fair bit of Forbes |
| 15:05.30 | Technobliterator | This is not incorrect |
| 15:05.31 | AndroImpy | We could pull a Metapedia and simply put biased information there |
| 15:05.59 | Technobliterator | in fact, I'll add it now |
| 15:06.23 | AndroImpy | WikiIslam has a page called "List of people evil Muhammad killed", we should gave "List of companies evil EA ruined" |
| 15:06.34 | Ghelae | As long as we can find sources that support the view of EA that we put on the page, it's not vandalism. I don't think finding such sources would be a problem. |
| 15:07.34 | Technobliterator | ugh, we just do not need any of the crap on this page |
| 15:07.35 | Technobliterator | like seriously |
| 15:07.39 | Hachiman | I just realised how picky I am as a consumer; I enjoy narrative but I cannot sit through television series or movies that do not contain excitement or action of some sort even if the story behind it is well-written and the script is good |
| 15:07.45 | Technobliterator | "As of the early 2000s, EA has become the world's largest third-party publisher; reporting a net revenue of $3.129 billion USD on its fiscal year March 31, 2005." |
| 15:07.49 | Technobliterator | How the fuck is this relevant? |
| 15:08.02 | Technobliterator | It is also unsourced |
| 15:08.14 | Technobliterator | ...Why do we want to keep these pages agian? |
| 15:08.25 | AndroImpy | I say enough pandering to imperialist capitalist dogs |
| 15:08.29 | Ghelae | I think the entire timeline on that page is also irrelevant. |
| 15:08.34 | Technobliterator | I agree entirely |
| 15:08.54 | Ghelae | And we want to keep the page so that, when criticisms of Spore come up, we can point to it and say "it was these guys' fault". |
| 15:09.28 | Technobliterator | yeah, sure |
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| 15:11.05 | AndroImpy | Monet is clearly a capitalist |
| 15:11.24 | Technobliterator | '''Electronic Arts (EA)''' is a major videogame publishing firm and is the publisher of ''[[Spore]]'' and the parent company of [[Maxis|Maxis Software]]. It is responsible for the funding of the marketing and development of ''Spore'' and its spinoffs and expansion packs, as well as similar developments by Maxis, and former developer [[Will Wright]]. It bought Maxis in 1997, which for a while... |
| 15:11.25 | Technobliterator | ...was a highly profitable branch for a long period. |
| 15:11.37 | Technobliterator | ^Can we all agree that there is nothing wrong with this at least? |
| 15:11.51 | Technobliterator | Why do we need the rest of the page? |
| 15:12.04 | AndroImpy | Yeah |
| 15:12.14 | AndroImpy | Anyway |
| 15:13.00 | AndroImpy | I thought of trying the Arkham series considering that I was a big fan of the Batman animated series and Batman Beyond |
| 15:13.10 | AndroImpy | Is it worth buying ( |
| 15:13.12 | AndroImpy | ? |
| 15:13.21 | Technobliterator | hell yes |
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| 15:14.42 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:14.44 | GD12 | hi |
| 15:14.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:15.08 | Wormy_ | welcome comrade, to our communist revolution |
| 15:15.57 | AndroImpy | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/4/4e/ArkhamKnight_render-358x500.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140327200955 That guy looks like the Batman from Batman Beyond |
| 15:16.40 | Ghelae | Technobliterator: If we're going to just keep that then mightn't we as well have it as part of the history section of Maxis page and redirect EA to there? |
| 15:17.01 | Hachiman | I liked Batman Beyond |
| 15:17.04 | Technobliterator | That is another possibility |
| 15:17.10 | Hachiman | Futuristic Batman is badass Batman hur |
| 15:18.04 | OluapWorker | "why do we need a ea page for a wiki about a ea game" |
| 15:18.12 | OluapWorker | This is how you sound |
| 15:21.04 | OluapWorker | Also my coworkers are stupid sometimes |
| 15:21.27 | OluapWorker | They misread touchpad as touchscreen and spent a few good seconds passing their fingers through a laptop's screen |
| 15:21.59 | Hachiman | olol |
| 15:23.15 | Technobliterator | No, seriously |
| 15:23.21 | Technobliterator | Why do we need this information on the wiki? |
| 15:23.31 | Technobliterator | How does this help it in any way, shape or form? |
| 15:23.45 | Technobliterator | How does knowing how much money EA earned in 2006 help me through the Space Stage? |
| 15:24.00 | Technobliterator | How does knowing what school Will Wright went to help me create creatures? |
| 15:24.00 | OluapWorker | How does having a fiction universe help me through the Space Stage? |
| 15:24.10 | Technobliterator | The fiction universe is not in the mainspace |
| 15:24.38 | OluapWorker | By your logic every page in the wiki that doesn't involve gameplay needs to be removed and that would include fiction |
| 15:25.04 | Technobliterator | No, every page on the wiki in the mainspace that is not strictly related to the game would have to be removed |
| 15:25.18 | Wormy_ | Well, I think we should have information on the game's development, marketing and so on, somewhere. There are people out there interested in those things. |
| 15:25.22 | Technobliterator | Yes |
| 15:25.25 | Technobliterator | That information is fine |
| 15:25.32 | Technobliterator | But how is Will Wright's personal life relevant in any way? |
| 15:25.37 | OluapWorker | No, it doesn't involve gameplay, it needs to go7 |
| 15:26.34 | Wormy_ | The thing is, you have to ask yourself where the best place for that information is. People might search for pages like "EA" or "Maxis" to find it. Rather than somewhere obscure. Though we could have more redirects. |
| 15:26.54 | OluapWorker | i've said it before and i'll say it again, if I go to a Will Wright page I expect to learn about Will Wright |
| 15:27.31 | Wormy_ | I think its an opportunity to get users editing pages again myself. |
| 15:27.34 | Technobliterator | If I go to a Will Wright page on SporeWiki, I expect to learn what Will Wright did for Spore |
| 15:27.47 | Wormy_ | That is fine I agree there |
| 15:28.01 | Technobliterator | If I go to a Will Wright page on Wikipedia, I expect more biographic information |
| 15:28.32 | OluapWorker | And what stops us from being informative |
| 15:28.35 | OluapWorker | This is laziness if you ask me |
| 15:28.37 | Technobliterator | Nothing does |
| 15:28.45 | Technobliterator | This is not being uninformative, it is being relevant |
| 15:29.07 | Technobliterator | We should give users information that they want to read, not information that another site already gives them in a different context to us |
| 15:29.17 | Technobliterator | however, we need to discuss this with the whole wiki |
| 15:29.18 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure why the wiki needs this level of consistency though. |
| 15:29.37 | OluapWorker | Fine whatever delete everything if you want, I don't give a shit |
| 15:29.47 | OluapWorker | I don't edit the mainspace anymore anyway |
| 15:32.34 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:200284 |
| 15:33.41 | Technobliterator | also, none of us edit the mainspace anymore |
| 15:33.42 | Technobliterator | :p[ |
| 15:34.54 | Wormy_ | There could be some links to my old Maxis wiki for the rest we can throw out |
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| 15:36.28 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:38.11 | Monet | hi |
| 15:39.14 | Hachiman | hi |
| 15:39.59 | Wormy_ | Monet: Van Gogh painting comes to life in 3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwEtxQs940g |
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| 15:41.44 | Monet | I like the animated touches |
| 15:52.35 | Wormy_ | I there any way to set youtube to stop autoplaying vids after they finish |
| 15:52.45 | Wormy_ | its irritating |
| 15:52.57 | Hachiman | There should be a video at the side where Recommended Videos should be |
| 15:53.06 | Hachiman | There is a blue bar next to the video that will play next |
| 15:53.17 | Hachiman | Click on that and that will stop the next video from playing |
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| 15:53.35 | Wormy_ | ah cool, how did I not notice? |
| 15:54.47 | ImpyDroid | Tell me when Ghelae returns |
| 15:54.54 | ImpyDroid | I need his help with maths |
| 15:54.56 | Ghelae | is here |
| 15:55.45 | ImpyDroid | Oh right |
| 15:55.52 | ImpyDroid | Forgot you're on the top hur |
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| 16:00.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:00.36 | Ghelae | AndroImpy: So what help do you need? |
| 16:00.57 | AndroImpy | I am preparing for calculus and... erm |
| 16:01.13 | AndroImpy | Basically there is some stuff that I wrote and I do not really get now hur |
| 16:02.49 | AndroImpy | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5r4qoQ8FsV-bU8yUXJwYnJxRVk/edit?usp=docslist_api This, it is supposed to be a rule related to asymptotic equivalence |
| 16:04.42 | Ghelae | It's not so easy to read with that blurring (and that handwriting :P) but I'll see what I can do. |
| 16:04.55 | AndroImpy | My handwriting is painful |
| 16:04.57 | AndroImpy | I know it |
| 16:07.17 | Ghelae | The first line looks like it says "[there exists] g(x) != 0 (for) f(x) ~ g(x) (x -> 0)" then something I can't read at all. |
| 16:07.30 | dino82_ | hello! |
| 16:07.57 | Ghelae | The second two lines are easier: they seem to say "1) f(x) != B" and "1/f(x) ~ 1/g(x) (x -> 0)". |
| 16:08.15 | Ghelae | Firstly I need to know whether or not I've got that all right. |
| 16:08.44 | AndroImpy | That something is "then" and "for" is "loc" I think |
| 16:09.12 | AndroImpy | ...actually now it all makes sense |
| 16:09.56 | AndroImpy | If f(x) ~ g (x), and neither equal zero, then 1/f(x) ~ 1/g(x) |
| 16:10.01 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 16:10.02 | AndroImpy | Thanks |
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| 16:12.22 | Wormy_ | Looks like formal logic. |
| 16:15.01 | Ghelae | Well, I suppose that is true in the sense that mathematics does use logic, and it uses it formally too. |
| 16:16.02 | AndroImpy | Being a linguist means I have to do a lot of logic |
| 16:16.13 | Wormy_ | Its the symbolic statements like "there exists" etc. |
| 16:16.46 | Wormy_ | Have you done any propositional calculus? |
| 16:17.25 | Ghelae | "There exists" is the main one used in that picture. Other commonly-used ones are "for all" and implication symbols. |
| 16:18.20 | AndroImpy | Yes, but it's a separate subject |
| 16:18.32 | AndroImpy | Together with graphs and Turing machines |
| 16:19.00 | Wormy_ | mouth foams |
| 16:20.26 | Wormy_ | I'm into similar topics but in a differernt contect that linguism |
| 16:20.34 | Wormy_ | *context than |
| 16:21.10 | Wormy_ | Like computability, knowledge, information physics, AI etc. |
| 16:21.44 | Wormy_ | Though I'm not mathematical enough to understand much of it deeply yet |
| 16:22.56 | Wormy_ | Weirdly though, my experience with zeroth-order logic bypassed some of my fear of maths |
| 16:24.08 | Wormy_ | But its a very convoluted way to do it |
| 16:26.54 | Hachiman | Hm I have been wondering about the Zazane's stance on imprisonment and federal punishment |
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| 16:27.36 | Hachiman | I am thinking that Zazane criminals could be either executed, as they are traditionally, or they could be sent to fight in pits and gladiator rings |
| 16:27.51 | Hachiman | And used as entertainment or something |
| 16:30.22 | Ghelae | Sounds plausible. |
| 16:34.16 | Ghelae | Is this against each other, against animals, or both? Or could they even be made to fight against non-criminal Zazane (who I suppose might be given better weapons and armour than the criminals), perhaps for military practice or simply because said non-criminal Zazane simply want a fight? |
| 16:36.21 | Hachiman | I was thinking it could be against both other criminals and non-criminal Zazane, not entirely sure about the part on animals although it may be possible if they are going to go all-out gladiator |
| 16:37.36 | Hachiman | I am just wondering if prisoners and criminals could be put to better use beyond entertainment value in a technologically advanced society such as that of the Zazane though |
| 16:39.02 | Ghelae | That could be where the military practice comes in. |
| 16:40.43 | Ghelae | But the more technologically advanced a society becomes, often the less useful biological sapients become in general, especially when different forms of labour can become automated. |
| 16:41.57 | Hachiman | Yeah of course |
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| 16:42.33 | Hachiman | I was going to say that maybe these gladiator activities could be sponsored by corporations but then I dunno if such a thing would exist within the Brood |
| 16:43.10 | Hachiman | Although there is nothing to stop Zazane gladiators from being sponsored by external corporations I suppose |
| 16:43.24 | Monet | There's that |
| 16:43.36 | Monet | Maybe prominent Zazane figures? |
| 16:44.15 | Monet | A meritocratic society like the Brood, warlords could compete with handpicked "champions" |
| 16:44.27 | Hachiman | Yeah I suppose that does make sense |
| 16:45.10 | Hachiman | Instead of corporations it could be prominent military figures operating within certain regiments and other military positions |
| 16:45.53 | Monet | The gladiatorial tournaments could be an alternative to the military campaigns |
| 16:45.59 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 16:46.20 | Monet | Given increases in scale, ah I juist thought of something, it might be a bit extreme |
| 16:46.29 | Hachiman | What might this be? |
| 16:46.51 | Monet | Full-on battle events using dozens of champions. |
| 16:47.36 | Ghelae | So gladiatorial events could be used to support intra-regiment bonding and inter-regiment rivalry much like, say, having regimental sports teams would on Earth. |
| 16:48.25 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 16:48.49 | Monet | But regiment members get to hone their combat skills at the same time |
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| 16:52.09 | Hachiman | Gladiators could also be a "safer" alternative to settling disputes between clans and houses in personal duels without actually losing a member of either side |
| 16:53.05 | Monet | "in an age of peace, men of war get bored" |
| 16:54.24 | Hachiman | Aye precisely |
| 16:54.45 | dino82_ | nice gladiator fights for houses :D |
| 16:54.55 | Ghelae | So gladiators would be a general-purpose non-lethal* means of allowing conflict to occur between groups within the Brood. *to law-abiding citizens |
| 16:59.13 | Ghelae | Each house, each clan, each military regiment could have their own set of criminals that they either use for fighting practice or send to fight in gladiatorial arenas against those of another group, to resolve disputes or just for a bit of bloodsport. |
| 17:00.12 | Hachiman | A sophisticated solution to keep brutal and violent sport alive in a culturally and technologically advanced society hur |
| 17:00.21 | Monet | You said yourself thata number of Zazane long for the glory days when they were seen by many as gods of war. |
| 17:00.32 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 17:01.29 | Hachiman | Plus I imagine that the arena could be a good place for mercenaries to get started since I imagine gladiators and their sponsors get paid copiously |
| 17:03.05 | Wormy_ | I just thought of this - DCP criminals are probably punished with mental over-rides, so that they are conscious but have no control of their bodies, as they are forced to work or fight, probably to death. |
| 17:03.23 | Ghelae | So a Zazane commits a crime -> becomes a gladiator -> gets paid lots of money to fight all the time? |
| 17:03.29 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 17:03.42 | Hachiman | Obviously voluntary gladiators earn more |
| 17:04.05 | Hachiman | Plus if you have not been executed it is likely you can start your life over with the funding you earn from the arena |
| 17:06.04 | Ghelae | It's also a good idea in that it shows the Brood to be different from societies that would otherwise just want to exact retribution on their criminals. |
| 17:06.10 | Hachiman | Wormy_: If I remember correctly the Indoctrinate Collective has a practice where criminals are either sent to be put to work in manual labour on outlying colonies or they get their brains tampered with and implanted into mechanical war-suits |
| 17:07.18 | Wormy_ | It might be quite common practise. I know the Dominatus bio-robotise their slaves, but do not discriminate by criminal or non-criminal. |
| 17:08.53 | Technobliterator | wow guys |
| 17:09.00 | Technobliterator | you could at least comment on the thread |
| 17:09.02 | Technobliterator | ;_; |
| 17:09.10 | Wormy_ | Of course in the Civilisation, if you try to commit a crime you'll be stopped by the 29th century equivalent of rubber pillows. |
| 17:09.56 | Wormy_ | Jo: I will do later |
| 17:10.07 | Hachiman | Not interested |
| 17:10.16 | Hachiman | I have not got anything to say on it |
| 17:10.21 | Hachiman | That has not already been said |
| 17:10.49 | Technobliterator | that's not really helpful for demonstrating community consensus |
| 17:12.02 | Wormy_ | Hm, that brings me to wonder how the pacifist Cephalodians deal with crime, which must happen sometimes realistically. They do defend themselves if need be afterall, permitted their biotech hosts don't reject it. |
| 17:12.31 | Monet | I'm in the same boat as Hachi, sorry. |
| 17:13.07 | Hachiman | Even if I did demonstrate community consensus and say my stance, I would just be argued against and made to feel in the wrong anyway |
| 17:13.11 | Hachiman | Like Oluap was |
| 17:13.35 | Technobliterator | ...what? |
| 17:13.45 | Technobliterator | Do you understand how discussions work? |
| 17:13.57 | Wormy_ | Jo: Its okay if people don't comment, though it means they won't get a say. |
| 17:14.08 | Technobliterator | You are not meant to be made to feel "wrong" because you have a different opinion |
| 17:14.23 | Wormy_ | I feel as though this topic was already brought up however |
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| 17:15.06 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 17:15.06 | Technobliterator | It's called counter-arguments |
| 17:15.25 | Technobliterator | I feel like this wiki has no idea how a discussion works because everyone just gets upset when there are differing opinions |
| 17:15.47 | Hachiman | I would rather compromise than counter-argue for one solution |
| 17:15.54 | Hachiman | Which is what is going on right now |
| 17:16.07 | Technobliterator | I never said I was unwilling to compromise if I can see reasons for doing so |
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| 17:16.59 | Technobliterator | I want to know what people think, if I sounded flustered when discussing with Oluap it was because I could not understand why he thought we needed this information |
| 17:17.01 | Technobliterator | oh, crud |
| 17:17.03 | Technobliterator | bbl |
| 17:18.10 | drom | Hello |
| 17:18.51 | Wormy_ | I don't really have any time until the end of the month for wiki'ing |
| 17:18.57 | Monet | I was under the impression a conclusion had been made the last time it was brought up |
| 17:19.07 | drom | Ugh, I hate trying to sleep on train rides. |
| 17:19.21 | Wormy_ | I'm here yes, but only to drop in now and then. |
| 17:19.56 | drom | Spent 2 hours trying to sleep on a train during today's trip to an university. Spend rest of the day with sleep deprivation. |
| 17:21.02 | dino82_ | pfff, |
| 17:21.04 | dino82_ | soundsthough |
| 17:22.30 | drom | Do same thing again on the ride back, spend rest of the evening with an aching head |
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| 17:23.40 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:23.55 | Xho | Hi |
| 17:23.55 | drom | Hello |
| 17:23.59 | Xho | Uh what's happened to the wiki |
| 17:24.04 | Xho | The text is even larger now |
| 17:24.14 | Ghelae | Wikia have been meddling again. |
| 17:24.25 | Ghelae | Everything's fine on laptops though. |
| 17:24.37 | drom | Anyway, our trip to the university was a school trip about physics. We got to test different types of solar panels and calculate their coefficient. |
| 17:24.52 | Wormy_ | Nice |
| 17:25.15 | drom | Then get to merasure radioactive materials. |
| 17:25.22 | drom | We had no protection |
| 17:25.28 | drom | *robust* |
| 17:25.38 | Ghelae | That's the best way to do it. |
| 17:25.54 | Ghelae | It's not proper science if you're not risking either your life, or someone else's. |
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| 17:26.22 | Xho_ | Seriously do not understand my network |
| 17:26.27 | Ghelae | That's the actual reason why theoretical physics is so difficult. It's not easy to make writing equations on paper life-threateningly dangerous. |
| 17:26.50 | drom | Then we tested a cloud chamber. |
| 17:26.51 | Wormy_ | Chemistry students like to leave coffee in the chemistry lab, for example. |
| 17:27.08 | Wormy_ | And geologists like to hack as cliff faces |
| 17:28.01 | Ghelae | More seriously, the cloud chamber should have shown you why measuring the radioactivity of small pieces of rock isn't so dangerous that you need protection: you're being bombarded with the secondary radiation of cosmic rays all of the time anyway. |
| 17:28.34 | Wormy_ | drom: Was you using a mass spectrometer by any chance? |
| 17:28.39 | drom | Our guide, who is a physics major showed us about the real deal of nitrogen at supraconductivity. He filled up a box, with 3 different magnetic metals, with nitrogen. |
| 17:29.36 | drom | Hm, unfortunately not. |
| 17:29.46 | drom | But we had fun with giegermeters. |
| 17:30.06 | drom | Cue room full of buzzing and beeping |
| 17:30.38 | Wormy_ | The radon gas where I live. I just know it would tell me that is there |
| 17:31.18 | Ghelae | You want a mass spectrometer to prove that there's radon in the air where you live? |
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| 17:31.49 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:32.13 | GD12 | HJi |
| 17:32.13 | Wormy_ | I think that could work, but I was referring to the fact the giegermeter would be bleeping more |
| 17:32.38 | drom | He later demostrated us the superconductivity by dropping the cooled magnet on a valley-formed track befitted with pieces of metal. |
| 17:32.48 | drom | It was rad |
| 17:33.10 | Ghelae | Wormy_: The geiger counter would certainly be more effective. :P |
| 17:33.40 | drom | And oh, I got liquid nitrogen on myself when he poured out excess nitrogen from the box. |
| 17:33.45 | drom | It was terrifying. |
| 17:34.02 | Ghelae | At least liquid nitrogen dries extremely quickly. |
| 17:34.19 | drom | Yeah, but my pants got wet and cold. |
| 17:35.22 | Wormy_ | Probably from water in the air condensing, freezing then melting rapidly from your body heat. |
| 17:35.32 | Wormy_ | i made that up hur |
| 17:35.32 | drom | Good thing that I had no metal, sweat or humdity (it was raining a lot that day), it could've been much more terrifying experience. |
| 17:36.33 | drom | It did however caught me off guard and shrieked like a little girl. |
| 17:36.38 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11164694_1257259704303480_5808773675799657976_n.jpg?oh=ffe323106fc6cd15c9fd6c2076c8a776&oe=55FB31F8&__gda__=1439754433_0b84ec14f3f63d17f22eb5a702ef76b6 |
| 17:37.20 | Wormy_ | What did the physics major say? |
| 17:37.35 | drom | "oops" |
| 17:38.55 | drom | Anyway, the chartering resturant at the university was very luxurious. |
| 17:40.16 | drom | They served goddamn good food. We got pulled pork burgers with coleslaw with fried potato cloves. |
| 17:41.07 | GD12 | that sounds good |
| 17:41.38 | GD12 | I'll be visiting Europe soon so I'll be in the same timezone as y'all |
| 17:41.52 | GD12 | which should make coordinating for AD (since its summer) easier |
| 17:41.59 | drom | What country/city are you going to visit? :o |
| 17:42.02 | Wormy_ | yay |
| 17:43.20 | GD12 | Eastern and Central Europe in general |
| 17:43.47 | GD12 | So Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc |
| 17:44.22 | Wormy_ | Great for partying |
| 17:44.45 | drom | Great to be kidnapped and locked inside someone's kellar. |
| 17:44.51 | GD12 | Aye I can rp while hungover :) |
| 17:44.55 | GD12 | Hopefully it doesn't turn into the hostel |
| 17:44.56 | Wormy_ | Lemme guess, you are going to Prague? |
| 17:45.14 | GD12 | aye |
| 17:45.22 | Wormy_ | Do you know about the church made of skulls and bones? |
| 17:45.51 | Xho_ | Lack of Oluap disturbs the Spu |
| 17:45.56 | GD12 | I've heard of it |
| 17:46.02 | GD12 | dunt know if i want to visit the church or not |
| 17:46.07 | GD12 | 2sppoky4me |
| 17:46.14 | Hachiman | Oluap left earlier |
| 17:46.47 | Wormy_ | http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/157/c/2/c2bf3c165e5b3bd4d269fc86b9f51ac0-d52jmob.jpg |
| 17:47.05 | Wormy_ | grimdark |
| 17:47.08 | GD12 | It should have fountains of blood too lol |
| 17:47.11 | GD12 | And be in Romania |
| 17:47.19 | Wormy_ | I'd expect to see a Primarch energe from the corner |
| 17:47.22 | GD12 | So it could be like shrine to Dracula lol |
| 17:47.24 | GD12 | lol yeah |
| 17:47.24 | Wormy_ | emerge |
| 17:47.43 | Ghelae | No matter how creepy a place is, GD12, just remember that it's nothing compared to some things that the Dominatus had and you'll be fine. |
| 17:48.03 | GD12 | odere |
| 17:48.05 | GD12 | good logic |
| 17:48.13 | Wormy_ | http://www.praguepost.cz/pictures/1-20091014-2514-1510-pic.jpg |
| 17:48.22 | GD12 | Weirdly enough I had a nightmare about Jack the Ripper last night |
| 17:48.46 | Hachiman | So you are a British prostitute then |
| 17:49.14 | GD12 | I was captured along with a bunch of females but I think I was still male in this dream |
| 17:49.23 | GD12 | Heres how it went |
| 17:49.37 | GD12 | I remember this explicitly because it just happened 8 hours ago ( i forget dreams after i fall asleep again) |
| 17:49.49 | GD12 | -> wake up in cell with other captives (all female) |
| 17:49.54 | GD12 | door unlocked |
| 17:50.01 | GD12 | i try to escape |
| 17:50.03 | drom | Wormy_: For an odd reason, I'm satisfied by the prefect placing of skulls. |
| 17:50.17 | Wormy_ | It is elegant |
| 17:50.27 | GD12 | jack the ripper standing outside, seems like he had intentionally left door unlocked |
| 17:50.43 | GD12 | declares punishment is to vivisect me balls first |
| 17:50.46 | GD12 | wake up after that |
| 17:51.37 | drom | Check if your balls are okay |
| 17:52.18 | GD12 | I don't think I can develop testicular cancer at 18 :) |
| 17:52.29 | Wormy_ | Well I had a dream that the electronic sentiences were programming me as a meaningless toy in my sleep and that everything had a red tint, meanwhile I felt I was suffocating. |
| 17:53.31 | Wormy_ | I hope I haven't got sleep apnea |
| 17:53.40 | GD12 | That sucks |
| 17:53.47 | GD12 | snoring? |
| 17:54.44 | Wormy_ | I don't know if I snore or not |
| 17:55.02 | drom | Me neither, I'm completely deaf when sleeping |
| 17:55.14 | Wormy_ | But sometimes I wake up in a terrible panic lately then can't sleep due to the fear of waking up in a panic |
| 17:55.46 | Wormy_ | And weird thoughts like electronic sentience cloud my thoughts as it happens |
| 17:58.39 | Wormy_ | but i get hypnagigia so it is probably that |
| 17:58.53 | Wormy_ | *hypnagogia |
| 18:00.33 | Xho_ | hypnogogia even |
| 18:01.10 | Wormy_ | nope, hypna |
| 18:01.24 | Xho_ | So it is |
| 18:01.26 | Xho_ | was outsmarted |
| 18:01.43 | Wormy_ | unless its a British or American English thing. |
| 18:03.03 | Wormy_ | I think I might be having this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk#Cycle |
| 18:13.13 | Wormy_ | Then this morning I had quirky thoughts about dino-chickens taking revenge on humanity |
| 18:13.49 | Wormy_ | Inspired by the chicken embryo's whose genes were twitched on and off to get more reptillian features |
| 18:14.21 | Wormy_ | Alright I think I'm weirding out people hur |
| 18:14.24 | Wormy_ | http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150512-bird-grows-face-of-dinosaur |
| 18:14.34 | Wormy_ | But it is a thing now |
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| 18:20.31 | Monet | It just cam eto be mut I had an idea about Draconid wings |
| 18:21.02 | Monet | Cinve they're such a pain to draw and in a spacefaring species they seem a little less needed than they might have been originally |
| 18:21.43 | Imperios | Hm |
| 18:21.44 | Monet | since* |
| 18:22.06 | Monet | The solution I have is: Biotics. When unneded they collapse into a compact package that resembles two prongs/horns coming out fro mtheir shoulders. |
| 18:22.48 | Monet | But when neede,d open out to reveal a ocmbination of synthetic muscle, carbon fibre bone, synthetic scales and some fabric-like mesh |
| 18:23.17 | Monet | It also means I can make the wingspan as great as 15, 20, maybe 25m. |
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| 18:24.30 | Hachiman | Fucking internet today seriously |
| 18:24.49 | Monet | SInce form the beginning its always been awkaward to explain how they wear humanoid clothes despite those wings |
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| 18:28.15 | Wormy_ | Practically, in Spore, putting shoes on creatures is a pain. But I cannot bare shoeless captains for my fiction. |
| 18:28.50 | TekDroid | Yeah, Spore is bad with shoes. |
| 18:33.04 | Monet | I was more talking abotu actual drawing but yeah, I agree. |
| 18:50.15 | Xho_ | No to this new wiki layout though |
| 18:50.25 | Xho_ | Why does it look like it's for a mobile phone |
| 18:50.39 | Xho_ | I'm not on a mobile phone |
| 18:51.24 | drom | Xho_ Monet Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/pASXO7h.jpg |
| 18:51.39 | Xho_ | hur |
| 18:52.08 | Monet | Xho_: Probably because Wikia want it to be more mobile-friendly. |
| 18:52.13 | Xho_ | But |
| 18:52.17 | Xho_ | I'm not on a mobile |
| 18:52.28 | Wormy_ | Because mobiles are the new masterace |
| 18:52.43 | Ghelae | Most of Wikia's users aren't on a mobile. But that's Wikia logic for you. |
| 18:53.41 | Wormy_ | It looks fine on desktop though |
| 18:54.05 | Hachiman | drom: Old post is old |
| 18:54.32 | Xho_ | well i neva seen it |
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| 18:56.04 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:57.41 | Xho_ | "2015 began rather well for the community, eager to mend the wounds created during the previous year. However, the news that Maxis was shut down in March of 2015 added a bitter-sweet aura to the Fiction Universe." |
| 18:57.49 | Xho_ | I dunno whether that really has taken effect |
| 18:57.56 | Xho_ | I actually forgot that Maxis had shut down |
| 18:58.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 18:58.13 | DrodoEmpire | I felt little effect as well. |
| 18:58.20 | DrodoEmpire | Well, fiction-wise |
| 18:58.33 | Hachiman | Did Jo write that |
| 18:58.37 | Hachiman | Because Jo is wrong |
| 18:59.10 | Hachiman | Absolutely nothing about Maxis shutting down changed the Wiki by any significant margin |
| 18:59.14 | Xho_ | I don't think I can edit on the wiki with this god-awful layout |
| 18:59.19 | Xho_ | It just hurts to look at it |
| 18:59.24 | Hachiman | Yeah the new layout is fucking ugh |
| 18:59.38 | Xho_ | We can always zoom out |
| 18:59.41 | Xho_ | That helps sort of |
| 19:13.09 | TekDroid | The new layout seems to be unusable for me. |
| 19:13.26 | TekDroid | I can't even view half the website |
| 19:14.00 | TekDroid | Scratch that, *is unusable |
| 19:14.52 | Ghelae | From the "droid" part of your name, I assume you're on a mobile. So the new format that's presumably intended to be mobile-friendly has not been entirely successful? |
| 19:15.15 | Wormy_ | Did wikia not even test their shit? |
| 19:15.40 | Ghelae | Perhaps they test it on their users. |
| 19:16.00 | Wormy_ | Jebus the editors on wikia are better developers than them |
| 19:16.05 | TekDroid | Well I'm viewing the web version (mobile version is laughable), and still can't view the right side of the page |
| 19:16.38 | DrodoEmpire | It *seems* to work fine for me. |
| 19:16.39 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 19:16.42 | Wormy_ | I might switch to monobook tbh |
| 19:16.57 | Wormy_ | It looks normal to me on my laptop weirdly. |
| 19:17.02 | TekDroid | Maybe it's just me but Wikia seems slower too |
| 19:17.45 | Wormy_ | Maybe we could indicate to new users they can also choose monobook and that the pages look better in it. |
| 19:17.57 | Wormy_ | or wider anyway |
| 19:18.44 | TekDroid | I still can't view half the goddamn page anyway |
| 19:25.06 | TekDroid | Any way we can fix this? >.< |
| 19:25.40 | TekDroid | Mobile wikia doesn't even let you access the recent changes page. |
| 19:25.42 | Wormy_ | Nope. |
| 19:26.35 | Wormy_ | Wikia doesn't listen to feedback by its community even though it has "feedback" blogs. |
| 19:27.37 | TekDroid | Well this is stupid. Thank you wikia for destroying my ability to use Wikia. I can't use the web version and the mobile version is hideous, you can't edit in it, and has minimal browsing ability. |
| 19:28.00 | Wormy_ | Oh well, it gives me something-else to rant about. |
| 19:28.36 | TekDroid | Well this eliminates 90% of my Wikia usage. |
| 19:30.29 | TekDroid | Seriously, what the hell Wikia. Are they even aware mobike users exist |
| 19:31.53 | Wormy_ | The failtastic thing is that it is meant for mobile users. |
| 19:34.02 | TekDroid | I'm in public and that still made me facepalm |
| 19:34.36 | TekDroid | ...did they make ANY changes to mobile? O.o |
| 19:35.13 | TekDroid | Besides screwing up everything |
| 19:36.26 | TekDroid | Sorry if I'm ranting, this just made Wikia literally unusable for me. |
| 19:36.57 | TekDroid | And I really wish I was exaggerating. |
| 19:37.39 | Wormy_ | I believe you. |
| 19:41.01 | drom | I tried reading wikias using a mobile. |
| 19:41.07 | drom | Never again |
| 19:41.18 | drom | the design's horrid |
| 19:41.45 | drom | To make matters worse, most templates doesn't work with mobile, so why bother? |
| 19:41.54 | Imperios | drom Hachiman Wormy_: https://2ch.hk/nvr/src/476671/14257833585303.png The TRUTH behind the Ukrainian crisis |
| 19:42.43 | drom | geezuh |
| 19:42.44 | TekDroid | drom: That's why I use the web version on mobile. |
| 19:42.57 | Wormy_ | tank mechas |
| 19:44.23 | dino82_ | Upcoming planet: Impaerusqiantia: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:ImpaerusqiantiaSeat.png |
| 19:44.47 | dino82_ | with a new kind of seat :D |
| 19:44.57 | Imperios | http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32736153 Smart |
| 19:45.12 | Imperios | Wow that's a cool throne |
| 19:45.13 | Wormy_ | nice work |
| 19:45.51 | dino82_ | Thanks :D Was fun to make |
| 19:45.52 | Wormy_ | My Fjord League prediction is coming true |
| 19:46.58 | Wormy_ | In that England is split, but conveniently lower than that to the Midlands North confusion |
| 19:47.15 | Wormy_ | Conveniently for me of course |
| 19:48.11 | drom | Rest of england falls in anarchy and collapses to a wasteland of ruins and savage chavs. |
| 19:48.55 | drom | *smugface* |
| 19:49.05 | Xho_ | What are those rooms called that have maps of space on them |
| 19:49.17 | Xho_ | There's a word for it |
| 19:49.47 | Wormy_ | drom: We'll just bundle them to the South, which shall be named Angleterre |
| 19:51.20 | Xho_ | Orrery that's the word |
| 19:51.40 | drom | Btw, why are the people in the second picture on the right side of the road, when you have left-hand driving? |
| 19:51.53 | TekDroid | lol |
| 19:52.00 | Xho_ | #northerners |
| 19:52.25 | TekDroid | Maybe posing for a shot taken down the road? XD |
| 19:53.45 | Monet | After an initial spike of jokes over the weekend, the hashtag really took off when users start to mobilise in support of around a year-old petition on the campaigning site Change.org. The petition calls for the north of England to secede from the rest of the country and join up with Scotland, and more than 12,000 people have signed it. >> We all knew it was ocming |
| 19:54.07 | drom | Probably new standards, going against the British standards. |
| 19:54.24 | drom | Who likes UK anyway? |
| 19:54.50 | Xho_ | Foreigners |
| 19:55.02 | Xho_ | Sounds a little racist |
| 19:55.05 | Monet | I like the UK... :( |
| 19:55.08 | Xho_ | Lemme rephrase |
| 19:55.12 | Xho_ | Everyone who doesn't live in the UK |
| 19:55.20 | drom | True |
| 19:55.50 | Wormy_ | Don't forget Cornwall wants to secede, leaving the country even more fragmented into Anglo-Saxon tribledoms |
| 19:55.52 | Imperios | If UK falls apart, remember that you can always let us conquer you |
| 19:56.00 | Imperios | Then you'll be together again |
| 19:56.12 | Wormy_ | We don't want to be hur |
| 19:56.30 | Imperios | fuk u |
| 19:56.35 | Imperios | Oh speaking of which |
| 19:56.38 | Imperios | https://2ch.hk/nvr/src/827546/14309893968930.jpg Orkraine |
| 19:56.39 | drom | Nord masterrace |
| 19:56.44 | Monet | One of the biggest flaws with democracy is the tendancy of the opposition to not live with the majority vote. |
| 19:56.53 | TekDroid | Yep |
| 19:56.53 | drom | Join us, we got ginger breads. |
| 19:56.56 | Wormy_ | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11480732/Britons-still-live-in-Anglo-Saxon-tribal-kingdoms-Oxford-University-finds.html |
| 19:57.13 | Wormy_ | This is why accents and attutides change every town |
| 19:57.32 | dino82_ | If the UK might fall apart, wich I hope not it would mean the end of the once glorious British Empire, and would have dire consequences for Europe, it's economies and policies |
| 19:57.36 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Pretty interesting |
| 19:57.55 | dino82_ | and perhaps might even complicate matters in old alliances like NATO |
| 19:58.05 | drom | Imperios: That little dog. |
| 19:58.23 | Monet | dino82: The scary thing is that the union of england and scotland predates the Empire. |
| 19:58.56 | dino82_ | @Monet: True, but the Empire is what made the UK a world player since I believe the Golden Age and such |
| 19:59.13 | dino82_ | though the Dutch once kicked the English Navy during one of the wars with England |
| 19:59.14 | Wormy_ | I think it the lines are cracking exactly where the old tribal boundaries were. |
| 19:59.31 | dino82_ | that was in a time we had a formidable navy though haha |
| 19:59.33 | Wormy_ | Cornwall has a lot of celtic genes, for example |
| 19:59.40 | Monet | We were indeed a united island. I personally wish that more oculd be done to reignite the COmmonwealth |
| 20:01.47 | dino82_ | would a breaking of the UK also change relations with former Commonwealth powers like Canada and Australia? |
| 20:01.52 | drom | Hachiman Monet Xho_: "Xubs just walked me through constructing my first farm; when I had finally got the floodgates and switches set, I went over to make sure everything was clear. Check. I open the gates and close the doors. Suddenly, the fisherman burts into the room and tries to fish the torrent of water approaching. His death will fertilize the crops." |
| 20:02.03 | Xho_ | ew |
| 20:02.07 | Xho_ | Funny but ew |
| 20:02.26 | DrodoEmpire | dino: Almost definitely |
| 20:03.59 | dino82_ | @drodo: Hmm, it might have severe results then |
| 20:04.11 | dino82_ | whoops, have to go again |
| 20:04.14 | dino82_ | see ya all next time :D |
| 20:04.16 | dino82_ | bye bye |
| 20:05.31 | Wormy_ | drom: Scotland wants to join the Nordic League so you'll have English too hahhahah |
| 20:05.49 | drom | We are already that good in inglish |
| 20:06.17 | Wormy_ | And when the gulf stream shifts you'll have the chavs visiting |
| 20:06.22 | Imperios | http://tr.spore.wikia.com/wiki/Spore_Wiki_TR There is a kebab SporeWiki |
| 20:06.34 | Wormy_ | Like how they infest Spain |
| 20:07.42 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: It must be removed |
| 20:08.18 | drom | Before it goes full Sporulluh ackbar |
| 20:08.19 | *** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian (562d6746@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.103.70) |
| 20:08.19 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ |
| 20:08.32 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 20:08.38 | DrodoEmpire | Hi. |
| 20:08.42 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:10.27 | drom | Hey |
| 20:10.39 | Xho_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Orichalcum_Elf_Imperium More expansion |
| 20:10.56 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:11.36 | Cyrannian | What is up with the really big font on the wiki? Or is that just me? |
| 20:11.44 | Xho_ | Wikia has changed things |
| 20:11.48 | Wormy_ | It is not just you. |
| 20:11.54 | TekDroid | Wikia has screwed up everything. |
| 20:12.00 | Xho_ | I've just zoomed out |
| 20:12.10 | Wormy_ | Did it follow you? |
| 20:12.10 | TekDroid | I can't even use it. |
| 20:12.45 | Xho_ | Imperios: You'll find that to your interest I think |
| 20:12.45 | Cyrannian | I'll do the same, I don't like it at all. The mobile version is particularly bad. |
| 20:13.17 | Xho_ | I need to do a few images now for that page |
| 20:13.27 | TekHatesWikia | The mobile version is bad, the web version on mobile doesn't even work at all |
| 20:13.41 | Xho_ | Sarisanelium, Dar-Nahalant and Golden Necropolis pictures |
| 20:13.45 | TekHatesWikia | It's completely unusable on mobile now. |
| 20:13.47 | Xho_ | As well as an Orichalcum Elf orrery |
| 20:13.59 | Cyrannian | Indeed, that's the one I use, I can't scroll to the right on full site mode. |
| 20:14.19 | TekHatesWikia | Yep, same here |
| 20:14.34 | Imperios | "some 'social religions' within the foreign population had treated the Orichalcum Elves as divine due to their indefinite lifespan" |
| 20:14.40 | TekHatesWikia | Can't access the right half of the page at all. |
| 20:14.49 | Imperios | All praise da golden guys |
| 20:14.50 | Wormy_ | Never go full Wikia. |
| 20:15.00 | TekHatesWikia | Cyrannian: And apparently this update is dedicated to mobile users |
| 20:16.28 | Cyrannian | They've outdone themselves this time with the whole incompetency thing. |
| 20:16.50 | TekHatesWikia | Indeed |
| 20:16.53 | Xho_ | Imperios: As well as being biologically superior and pulchritudinous-as-fuck |
| 20:17.09 | TekHatesWikia | I don't know how they screwed up this badly |
| 20:17.17 | TekHatesWikia | I'll DC momentarily |
| 20:18.14 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~imperios@95.140.92.125) |
| 20:19.03 | TekHatesWikia | Apparently I DCed Impy instead. XD |
| 20:19.29 | Wormy_ | cowers before Tek's almighty power. |
| 20:19.59 | DrodoEmpire | tackles Tek down and forces the stolen banhammer from his hands. |
| 20:20.13 | DrodoEmpire | That isn;t a toy, Tek! |
| 20:20.16 | DrodoEmpire | *isn't |
| 20:20.19 | TekHatesWikia | charges his superattack |
| 20:20.20 | DrodoEmpire | 3:< |
| 20:21.14 | TekHatesWikia | applies percussive maintenance to his router |
| 20:22.25 | TekHatesWikia | My mom unplugged the box from our internet provider with the "do not unplug" warning. >.> |
| 20:23.32 | TekHatesWikia | Oh wait, that's for our phones. XD |
| 20:25.14 | ImpyDroid | Xho: https://youtu.be/B6uRUAt3UQ8 Pelagrios should do that |
| 20:26.19 | Xho_ | Pelagrios - rum too valuable for throwing |
| 20:26.33 | Hachiman | Back, was having dinner |
| 20:27.02 | TekHatesWikia | continues charging hus superattack |
| 20:27.07 | TekHatesWikia | *his |
| 20:27.29 | Monet | But Pelagrios, you're throwing empty bottles |
| 20:27.36 | TekHatesWikia | ^ |
| 20:27.39 | TekHatesWikia | whoops |
| 20:27.41 | TekHatesWikia | XD |
| 20:27.42 | Xho_ | Pelagrios - refill |
| 20:27.56 | TekHatesWikia | sighs amd kicks the router |
| 20:37.52 | drom | Bartender - that will be 3431512464216 gold, 25 silvers and 2 copper coins, thanks. |
| 20:38.00 | Monet | Reflecting on Age of Ultron, I think the hologram of Ultron's brain http://www.fxguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/AVL1310_v041.1100.jpg (right) is how I imagined the inside of a DI computation crystal. |
| 20:42.40 | Xho_ | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11258782_770211356433948_2019791232226146584_n.jpg?oh=0894fe605c6d02964ad07ba44f90ebfd&oe=55C02B19 |
| 20:47.04 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/DfmNsa2.png |
| 20:47.29 | drom | TPB after the Swedish government seized its' .se domains. |
| 20:47.41 | TekHatesWikia | Oh |
| 20:47.50 | drom | Our state government are filled with uneducated whackjobs. |
| 20:47.54 | drom | is* |
| 20:49.08 | TekHatesWikia | Ngh, I think our wi-fi broke. Either a connection error or a system failure. Maybe both. |
| 20:50.18 | drom | I like this comment: "cut off one head and .to will take its place" |
| 20:51.59 | TekHatesWikia | lol |
| 21:06.11 | *** join/#sporewiki Knight_Alien (62d6c5fb@gateway/web/freenode/session) |
| 21:06.12 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 21:06.27 | *** join/#sporewiki Knight_Alien (62d6c5fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.214.197.251) |
| 21:07.05 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/rucw2JH.jpg |
| 21:08.02 | Wormy_ | they stare into my soul. |
| 21:31.34 | Wormy_ | bbl |
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| 21:33.30 | drom | Monet TekHatesWikia: http://i.imgur.com/AwhUoUy.webm |
| 21:33.38 | drom | Imgur is currently having a gif war |
| 21:34.30 | TekHatesWikia | I want to watch it but our modem officially has a hardware error |
| 21:34.39 | TekHatesWikia | And we're over our data limit |
| 21:37.50 | drom | Monet: http://i.imgur.com/QQDZYd2.gif |
| 21:38.42 | Monet | Lol |
| 21:38.51 | Monet | "It's okay everyone, it was only a cork!" |
| 21:40.15 | *** join/#sporewiki GD12 (43b4106f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.180.16.111) |
| 21:40.31 | TekHatesWikia | drom: Screw our data, I watched it. And I loed. XD |
| 21:40.37 | TekHatesWikia | *LOLed |
| 21:40.46 | TekHatesWikia | Hello GD12 |
| 21:41.06 | drom | Monet: If one accidentally pulled their trigger, a permanent firearms war will ensure all over Texas. |
| 21:41.24 | drom | And he went fast |
| 21:41.28 | drom | like a virgin |
| 21:41.35 | TekHatesWikia | Ghelae disappeared then GD12 appeared... >.> conspiracy? |
| 21:44.06 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/IWHhO24.gif |
| 21:44.46 | Hachiman | Oh fuck |
| 21:46.19 | TekHatesWikia | drom: That was part of a video they played in a cyber safety presentation or something |
| 21:47.55 | drom | Time to go to bed |
| 21:47.57 | drom | cya |
| 22:17.00 | Hachiman | So I have to make conceptual and digitally-coloured art for a game concept set in an underground level of a fantasy world |
| 22:17.46 | Hachiman | Decided to make my character some generic knight called Floris and the underground level is a cave that looks like it has been subject to the curse from Junji Ito's Uzumaki |
| 22:28.07 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (52131c03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.19.28.3) |
| 22:28.19 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:34.34 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:34.54 | Monet | Hachiman: Sounds like fun |
| 22:42.52 | Monet | Hachiman: Atually I have a little tip if you're more into the art/story side of video game design: Video Game Design courses include computer programming. |
| 22:43.18 | Monet | I'm on a CG animation course and I'm essentially doing what intrigues you - art and scriptwriting. |
| 22:43.25 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 22:44.26 | Wormy_ | I think degrees that are called multimedia / interactive media / creative media might be better suited |
| 22:44.52 | Wormy_ | I know that sounds dull, but you learn the full package and have quite a lot of flexibility |
| 22:46.17 | Wormy_ | A lot of "games design" courses are really multimedia |
| 22:46.20 | Monet | I do a lot of work with 3D modelling software |
| 22:50.15 | Wormy_ | On my "Computer games and Interactive media" course I study 3D modelling (but I focus on scripting, dynamics, lightning etc.) and programming as specialisms, but I learned a lot about character illustration, photoshop, web design, after effects, compiling videos, photography, human-computer interface technologies |
| 22:50.50 | Wormy_ | They are inseperable really |
| 22:51.49 | Wormy_ | So to not cause confusion this was of course different to my geology degree |
| 22:52.09 | Wormy_ | But my aims and objectives are to combine these skillsets |
| 22:52.50 | Wormy_ | I've been able to be really flexible about what I've been able to study and specialise in |
| 22:53.29 | Wormy_ | I should mention that it is also a foundation degree, I'm not sure if a full blown degree is scheduled to allow for that. |
| 22:55.38 | Wormy_ | I was the only one doing as "FdSc", looking at more scientific topics but other students were doing marketing, 2D, 3d characters, games, illustration and story writing, web coding etc. |
| 22:59.54 | TekDinner | I found an interesting sci-fi short story comic: http://io9.com/a-twisted-comic-about-a-space-colony-where-medical-expe-1705525391 (scroll down past the article, can't find a link without it) |
| 23:09.55 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/HRcaj |
| 23:13.12 | Wormy_ | I remember this guy http://imgur.com/gallery/CjMPk |
| 23:16.17 | Wormy_ | UGH |
| 23:16.20 | Wormy_ | YEW |
| 23:16.38 | Wormy_ | The wiki looks nasty beyond hell |
| 23:17.10 | Wormy_ | Honestly why is the text *that* big? |
| 23:17.37 | Wormy_ | Right that is worse than I imagined |
| 23:18.07 | Hachiman | You only just realised |
| 23:18.12 | TekDinner | I haven't even checked it on my PC |
| 23:18.15 | Wormy_ | Its fucked up our button appearence too |
| 23:18.26 | Wormy_ | Hachi: Its taken all day to change for me |
| 23:19.02 | TekHatesWikia | Wormy_: And both the mobile and web versions are unusable for mobile devices |
| 23:19.22 | Wormy_ | Great now I'm going to have to keep zooming out when I go on the wiki |
| 23:19.30 | TekHatesWikia | I can't even view it on my PC because our router suffered a system failure. |
| 23:21.59 | Monet | I bet Wikia's blog will be filled with page upon page of angry ranting |
| 23:22.17 | Monet | THe comment section I mean |
| 23:22.38 | Wormy_ | It is |
| 23:22.57 | TekHatesWikia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.05 | Wormy_ | There's a joke where comments are posted with massive text and people are replying "That's too small to read" |
| 23:23.31 | Hachiman | olol |
| 23:26.14 | TekHatesWikia | tries to get to the sporewiki homepage and screams in horror |
| 23:26.50 | TekHatesWikia | HOW DID THEY MAKE IT WORSE ALREADY |
| 23:27.24 | TekHatesWikia | laughs sarcastically |
| 23:27.38 | TekHatesWikia | somehow the Wikia homepage is fine on mobile |
| 23:28.26 | TekHatesWikia | I guess I know what page Wikia uses for testing. >.> |
| 23:28.33 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 23:28.35 | Wormy_ | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Layout_Changes:_Breakpoints_and_Typography |
| 23:28.43 | Wormy_ | comments |
| 23:30.18 | TekHatesWikia | "% Mobile Visitors: |
| 23:30.18 | TekHatesWikia | 61.33%" How do you screw up 2/3s of your users and not care. >.< |
| 23:31.26 | Wormy_ | I've witnessed years of wikia screwing up |
| 23:31.43 | Wormy_ | Do you know SporeWiki was not even a wikia wiki once? It got snapped up |
| 23:32.59 | Wormy_ | I'm switching to monobook. |
| 23:33.38 | TekHatesWikia | Wow, somehow the helpful reply from a wikia staff member just made with give them the finger |
| 23:34.01 | Monet | TekHatesWikia: Even better, only 16% of tablet/laptop traffic reads the site vertically |
| 23:34.28 | TekHatesWikia | is the 16% on his phone |
| 23:35.36 | TekHatesWikia | " We recognise that this changes how Wikia appears (to be narrower) for quite a few of you - and this can be frustrating. However, we do think it is for the best[...]" At this point I just started giving my screen both middle fingers |
| 23:37.15 | Monet | Wikia made a porridge format |
| 23:37.21 | TekHatesWikia | " The scrolling issues on your S4 mini are simply a bug - we're working on a fix." JUST A BUG? JUST A BUG! They somehow leave an entire set of devices unusable and call it "just a bug" |
| 23:38.34 | Wormy_ | I can't believe they didn't test it rigorously. |
| 23:38.42 | TekHatesWikia | "The change mostly affects the largest screen sizes, bringing them closer to what you might on a tablet device." ...and apparently high resolution screens are the same thing as a tablet screen |
| 23:39.49 | Wormy_ | Considering about 100% of the feedback is negative |
| 23:39.51 | TekHatesWikia | Ngh, this Wikia staff member is making me angry |
| 23:40.27 | Wormy_ | It can't be that it was meant for a "continuum of screen sizes" |
| 23:43.14 | Wormy_ | Wikipedia hasn't needed to do this tablet resize crap |
| 23:43.55 | TekHatesWikia | All things considered at least mobile Wikipedia actually works. |
| 23:44.11 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 23:45.50 | TekHatesWikia | It's not perfect but it's still usable and does its job reasonably well |
| 23:46.56 | Wormy_ | It looks like to me that wikia hastily released this, with a philosophy of "fixing it later", unfortunately that is such a bad design ethic |
| 23:47.35 | TekHatesWikia | HORRIBLY bad ethic |
| 23:49.27 | Wormy_ | Its against everything I've been taught, and I presume you probably as well. |
| 23:49.30 | TekHatesWikia | Maybe they thought noone would ever use the web version on a mobile device. |
| 23:50.01 | Wormy_ | Especially the use of horribly big text crammed together |
| 23:50.50 | Wormy_ | My lecturer liked the use of space, but strongly argued for small font, even 10 being big |
| 23:51.01 | TekHatesWikia | I haven't even been able to actually see the web version yet. Phone is broken and can't use laptop because router broke. |
| 23:51.10 | Wormy_ | Small font but the right kind with the right spacing |
| 23:51.44 | TekHatesWikia | Today is a terrible day for me from a technical perspective |
| 23:53.31 | Technobliterator | Monet, do you remember how to get through the sith base in Taris? |
| 23:57.43 | Monet | War droid trouble or Sith trouble? |
| 23:58.17 | Monet | Although if you have save at the beginning - bring computer spikes. |
