| 00:08.10 | Tek0516 | Heh. I just got a happy birthday email from Kerbal Space Program |
| 00:09.08 | dinoman9877 | Is your birthday? Happy birthday! I'd send you an birthday invasion from the swarm but I had no forewarning! |
| 00:09.30 | dinoman9877 | You gotta let me know next time so I can send giant insectiles to crush your living space for a present! |
| 00:11.27 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (7cba73a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.186.115.166) |
| 00:11.42 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 00:11.46 | The_Awayness | ey |
| 00:11.47 | Aeo | hi |
| 00:12.15 | dinoman9877 | Hiya. |
| 00:13.13 | Tek0516 | dinoman9877: *points at the 0516 part of his name and the new day in the Eastern hemisphere* :P |
| 00:13.40 | dinoman9877 | Well that explains a lot. |
| 00:13.45 | AdmiralPanda | yet another day passes when you do no spaceships :P |
| 00:14.02 | dinoman9877 | Anyone here have Galactic Civlizations 3? |
| 00:14.19 | Comrade_Vinny | No but it looks AWESOME :D |
| 00:14.38 | dinoman9877 | It does. |
| 00:14.43 | dinoman9877 | I wanna remake the Grox in there... |
| 00:14.59 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dreams_of_the_Past that's a thing for anyone interested |
| 00:14.59 | dinoman9877 | JUST SO I CAN BOMB THEM BACK INTO THE CELL STAGE!!! |
| 00:15.31 | The_Awayness | I'll take a look at it in a bit Panda |
| 00:15.33 | dinoman9877 | Then I'll make my major Spore race in there... |
| 00:17.22 | dinoman9877 | THEN I'LL USE THEM TO BOMB THE GROX BACK TO THE CELL STAGE! |
| 00:18.39 | dinoman9877 | Has anyone ever actually beat the Grox? |
| 00:18.45 | Tek0516 | AdmiralPanda: It's 8pm here and I'm already in bed. XD Started a new job today and I'm working tomorrow too. XD If I played until my usual time that'd be maybe 3 hours sleep. XD |
| 00:19.07 | The_Randomness | dinoman9877: When I still played Spore, I was working on it |
| 00:19.20 | The_Randomness | It wasn't too hard, just was taking a long time |
| 00:19.35 | Tek0516 | dinoman9877: I tried. Grinded maybe 60 systems before it got boring, repetitive and not worth the effort. |
| 00:19.41 | dinoman9877 | They have over a thousand star systems. I wonder why it would take a long time... |
| 00:20.09 | The_Randomness | Granted I would colonize the planets I would take |
| 00:20.20 | Tek0516 | 2400 systems. Even taking 1% of it was a boring grind |
| 00:20.26 | dinoman9877 | Isn't Spore in general repetitive? |
| 00:20.36 | Tek0516 | I colonized mine as well |
| 00:21.00 | The_Randomness | Yeah, Spore's gameplay was not its strong point |
| 00:21.24 | dinoman9877 | Well that's because two completely different looking creatures will function EXACTLY the same. |
| 00:21.54 | The_Randomness | Not so much that, but rather that it was rather bland |
| 00:21.59 | dinoman9877 | Also true. |
| 00:22.09 | Tek0516 | Once you know how to exploit Spore's ship combat it just because frustratingly easy. |
| 00:22.17 | dinoman9877 | Cell stage, swim around and eat. |
| 00:22.30 | dinoman9877 | Creature stage, run around and kill or be a hippie. |
| 00:22.42 | dinoman9877 | Tribal, have a whole tribe run around and kill or be hippies |
| 00:22.56 | Tek0516 | *Creature: get killed a lot |
| 00:23.22 | dinoman9877 | Civ, have a whole armada dribe around and kill, try to trade spice, or be like any religious nation ever and forcibly convert people. |
| 00:23.23 | Wormy_ | :D I managed to get 3D graphics onto my webpage (not online yet) |
| 00:23.36 | dinoman9877 | *Creature: Get killed a lot and then have the game crash |
| 00:23.38 | Tek0516 | Cool |
| 00:23.56 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: Nice |
| 00:24.00 | dinoman9877 | And space: Find civ, trade or kill, buy systems with those you trade with. Rinse and repeat. |
| 00:24.11 | dinoman9877 | But totally not BLAND gameplay at all. |
| 00:24.15 | Tek0516 | Yeah, I hated that crash on death if you had posse members |
| 00:24.39 | dinoman9877 | Worst part is that it didn't do that until later updates... |
| 00:24.44 | Comrade_Vinny | Panda: Good story! |
| 00:24.53 | Wormy_ | Took me all night to code but at least I can sleep easily now |
| 00:24.59 | Tek0516 | In space I can kill entire armadas with negligible damage. |
| 00:25.01 | dinoman9877 | I also heard the news of Maxis just the other day. Had no idea that happened... |
| 00:25.12 | dinoman9877 | The titan has fallen... |
| 00:25.58 | Wormy_ | The Maxis developers are still alive though, I've been looking at recent developments of Ex-Spore devs are some stuff is quite cool. |
| 00:26.24 | The_Randomness | What sort of stuff have they been working on? |
| 00:26.57 | Wormy_ | Check out Jellygrade on youtube, by Ocean Quigley |
| 00:27.07 | dinoman9877 | Well I can ensure you we'll never see remakes of Maxis games. Besides the Sims, since EA can create so many expansions for it. |
| 00:27.29 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh8dq-5p0ls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV7vwfJGesU |
| 00:28.00 | The_Randomness | oh neat |
| 00:28.39 | Technobliterator | You can't "ensure" anyone of that |
| 00:29.39 | Technobliterator | Yes, it's not likely when you look at it from that perspective. But it's not ruled out by anyone. |
| 00:30.12 | dinoman9877 | It's EA. They have the occassional good game but they only care about the money. |
| 00:30.24 | Technobliterator | Maxis the brand still exists, Spore still manages to sell decently on Steam, and after all these years, we still have new users |
| 00:30.50 | Technobliterator | Yes, they care about money, like, say, every company on the planet? |
| 00:31.27 | Wormy_ | I think EA have been/will be using ideas and technologies based on Spore in a variety of different games, so its not impossible something similar to Spore will be made. |
| 00:31.42 | dinoman9877 | But some companies actually care about what the customers say or think. |
| 00:31.52 | dinoman9877 | EA just tosses stuff out and expects people to buy. |
| 00:32.00 | Wormy_ | There was a game a while back thast looked like a really advanced version of Spore GA |
| 00:33.21 | Wormy_ | Also I saw the conservation on the lack of sci-fi in the SporeWikiverse earlier. There are some writers here is like to write hard SF style, like me :D If you want to see such examples. |
| 00:33.59 | Technobliterator | Yes, we have EA; yes, we are unlikely to see another Spore. You cannot assure either way without a source. |
| 00:34.02 | Wormy_ | I have written a lot of speculative sci-fi stories and articles |
| 00:34.04 | dinoman9877 | I would, because I feel as if I'll regret my decision. |
| 00:35.01 | Technobliterator | It is, as such, silly to be so negative |
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| 00:35.32 | dinoman9877 | Well my experience with EA is not good. Did you see their Lord of the Rings video games? |
| 00:35.34 | Technobliterator | And this is coming from a hardcore EA hater |
| 00:35.39 | DrodoEmpire | Back. |
| 00:35.42 | Technobliterator | wb |
| 00:36.01 | dinoman9877 | The BFME games were okay, but the servers are dead already. |
| 00:36.06 | dinoman9877 | Conquest just sucked. |
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| 00:37.02 | GD12 | Yay |
| 00:37.04 | GD12 | Schools Out! |
| 00:37.12 | DrodoEmpire | Hey! |
| 00:37.15 | GD12 | blows his trumpet |
| 00:37.19 | The_Randomness | I'm officially done tomorrow after 10 AM |
| 00:37.25 | dinoman9877 | AAAAAGH!!!! |
| 00:37.30 | dinoman9877 | I GOT TWO WEEKS LEFT! |
| 00:37.32 | Wormy_ | Pretty much anything in the SF universe by Ghelae http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AGhel%C3%A6/Fiction and most of the stuff by me isn't soft http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Multiverse http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Legacy/Destinies_in_time |
| 00:37.43 | Wormy_ | I finish after next week. |
| 00:38.12 | Technobliterator | I finished today, but still exams |
| 00:38.55 | Wormy_ | A lot of the tech and biology by Ghelae, me, GD12, Monet and Random have a lot of scientific speculation put into them |
| 00:39.32 | Wormy_ | There are more but I guess we are more of that influence |
| 00:40.01 | The_Randomness | Can't wait to get back to writing fiction again for SW and this one other collaborative universe that I'm a part of |
| 00:40.35 | dinoman9877 | Well I would definitely prefer Sci Fi, but my vocabulary is not quite so advanced as what I'm reading... |
| 00:40.40 | dinoman9877 | I know what it means... |
| 00:40.44 | dinoman9877 | But I never use it. |
| 00:40.46 | Wormy_ | But a lot of writers here like character drivern stories, politics stories, and of course science fantasy settings, which makes the SF universe ultimately soft I guess. But you can tune it out |
| 00:41.12 | GD12 | I think theres something here for everyone |
| 00:41.26 | dinoman9877 | Well I have no idea what to do with my swarm. |
| 00:41.37 | The_Randomness | I will say that I'm most certainly not much of one for character-driven stories when I write |
| 00:41.37 | dinoman9877 | Their origins say Sci Fi in my eyes. |
| 00:42.16 | Technobliterator | My stories are character based, but I throw the odd sciency stuff in |
| 00:42.23 | Technobliterator | Except for the Loron |
| 00:42.57 | dinoman9877 | I dunno what to do with my guys. Maybe I'm done with fiction. Dunno anymore... |
| 00:43.05 | GD12 | I'm much more into writing war stories which focus on armies, fleets, weapons, industires and nations, though I do like reading character driven stories, peace ful things, intrigue driven stories etc |
| 00:43.25 | Wormy_ | If you are struggling for inspirations I'm sure we can help you out |
| 00:44.10 | dinoman9877 | I have a bunch of semi-independent swarm animals under the control of an egg laying leviathan. |
| 00:44.16 | dinoman9877 | Not sure where to go with that. |
| 00:44.19 | Wormy_ | I like reading all the formats, though my perspective and style is more speculative |
| 00:44.41 | Wormy_ | I say "speculative" these days because it doesn;t have to be the hardest grade of science fiction |
| 00:45.00 | dinoman9877 | Especially when I gave them no space ships... |
| 00:45.40 | Wormy_ | I just like throwing my characters or societies into non-anthropomorphic situations |
| 00:46.22 | Wormy_ | You've already given me ideas :P |
| 00:46.31 | dinoman9877 | The only thing I could ever do with my guys is...have them go to war on a race attempting to colonize their planets. |
| 00:47.07 | Wormy_ | For one, they sound similar to my Mantisorac, which suggests a either a convergent evolution or possible relatedness to them |
| 00:47.33 | dinoman9877 | My guys? |
| 00:47.41 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 00:47.49 | Wormy_ | This might be a good setting http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ALarge_Magellanic_Cloud |
| 00:47.53 | dinoman9877 | Genetic cure gone wrong. |
| 00:48.53 | GD12 | bbl |
| 00:54.51 | dinoman9877 | So what be these Mantisorac like? |
| 00:55.30 | dinoman9877 | Also, how do I change a fiction page's name? |
| 00:55.48 | dinoman9877 | Nevermind |
| 00:55.50 | DrodoEmpire | Go to- |
| 00:55.53 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:56.37 | dinoman9877 | Just redid my fiction a bit. |
| 00:57.53 | Wormy_ | The Mantisorac are a swarm race, though they are not actually sentient. They have reached the stars mysteriously, but have symbiotic relationships with spacefaring biotechnology that turned wild long ago |
| 00:58.16 | dinoman9877 | Got a fiction page? |
| 00:58.34 | Wormy_ | They essentially raid planets and consume everything they can, build it onto their asteroid ships and move on |
| 00:59.01 | Wormy_ | yep, though its outdated http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Mantisorac_Swarm |
| 00:59.15 | dinoman9877 | Yeah...Genetithieves are stranded as soon as they kill off the local intelligent race. |
| 00:59.51 | dinoman9877 | Kind of need to bum rides off of ships fleeing the planet. |
| 01:00.10 | dinoman9877 | Though I allude to one caste being able to maybe possibly learn how to fly spaceships. :3 |
| 01:00.32 | dinoman9877 | But they can't build them. Only two castes have hands and one of them is about as smart as a dog. |
| 01:01.07 | Wormy_ | I've brought them back for the DCPP-Vermulan wars http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:DCP-Vermulan_War/Year_One#One_step_forward.2C_one_step_back http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:DCP-Vermulan_War/Year_One#The_Mantisorac_invasion http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADCP-Vermulan_War/Year_Two |
| 01:01.27 | dinoman9877 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Genetithief_Swarm See? |
| 01:01.49 | Wormy_ | I'll have a read |
| 01:05.45 | Wormy_ | Lots of information there, which is good for new fiction |
| 01:06.30 | dinoman9877 | Well it's not new, it's been here for a year. But it's been recently sent back to square one so... |
| 01:07.28 | Wormy_ | I suppose you've got to find where they will have a lot of potential... Possibly Andromeda or the LMC (though the LMC is still rather inactive). In Andromeda I can see they could get involved with GXS in some way. |
| 01:07.39 | dinoman9877 | I kind of underpowered them, didn't I? |
| 01:07.55 | dinoman9877 | I tried to start them in the Milky Way. Didn't work out in the end. |
| 01:09.08 | dinoman9877 | One problem is the Saboteurs. Bred to burn out electrical systems...but most stuff runs off nuclear power or star power or crap like that so... |
| 01:09.25 | Wormy_ | But maybe they will become a dangerous enemy to both sides when the war forces both into carnage |
| 01:09.46 | Wormy_ | in GXS |
| 01:10.03 | dinoman9877 | Only a threat on planetary surfaces... |
| 01:10.11 | dinoman9877 | Because they only live on planetary surfaces. |
| 01:11.04 | dinoman9877 | They're meant to be discovered by a sentient species, which eventually figures out the Swarmlord is sentient as well (which it is in a way), and take it from there. |
| 01:11.32 | Wormy_ | Shouldn't be a problem unless its planetary bombardment time. I think the real difficulty here plotwise is having them hitching rides on spaceships unnoticed. |
| 01:11.39 | dinoman9877 | But I dunno if how I explained the Swarmlord works in Sci Fi...can't absorb language from DNA. |
| 01:11.43 | DrodoEmpire | Could be a sort of virus |
| 01:11.44 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:12.10 | dinoman9877 | Larvaptors can't be detected by most motion or biological sensors. |
| 01:12.11 | DrodoEmpire | I know in Starcraft the Zerg used at least once a form of "Hyperevolutionary virus" in infect an entire colony |
| 01:12.26 | DrodoEmpire | *terran colony |
| 01:12.44 | dinoman9877 | I never considered using viruses or stuff like that. |
| 01:12.58 | dinoman9877 | The Zerg or Kharra from NS2 do stuff like that... |
| 01:13.13 | dinoman9877 | But I wasn't sure if I wanted that or not for the Genetithieves. |
| 01:13.45 | dinoman9877 | They were born from a rapidly mutating single celled organism. |
| 01:13.59 | dinoman9877 | But the whole point was for that to be left behind. |
| 01:14.30 | dinoman9877 | So I dunno. I've complicated things. <_> |
| 01:15.56 | dinoman9877 | And I'm talking to myself... |
| 01:16.16 | DrodoEmpire | No! No its fine |
| 01:17.10 | The_Randomness | Yeah, you're fine |
| 01:17.51 | Wormy_ | What is the possibility of a sentient race finding them and using them as a weapon or decoy? |
| 01:18.00 | Wormy_ | I'm just semi-here really |
| 01:18.04 | DrodoEmpire | That, again, brings SC to mind. XD |
| 01:18.31 | DrodoEmpire | They used the Psi disrupter/beacon I forget to lure the Zerg into... Wasn't it- |
| 01:18.36 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah it was Gettysburg |
| 01:18.56 | DrodoEmpire | *New Gettysburg |
| 01:18.58 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 01:19.03 | dinoman9877 | Well. If they scanned the biological signs of the planet or sent a ground expedition... |
| 01:19.14 | dinoman9877 | They'd definitely find the colonies living there eventually. |
| 01:20.59 | dinoman9877 | But I just realized my own demise. Can't absorb a language from DNA, so I dunno how a Swarmlord would learn languages of alien races. |
| 01:22.10 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: Reading your thing now |
| 01:22.37 | Wormy_ | To be fair, modern languages have very little to do with DNA, and are an example cultural evolution. DNA phenotypes would be a very poor way to understand language. |
| 01:22.45 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 01:22.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well... Maybe that's not entirely untrue. You *may* be able to assimilate actual behavioral patterns that come as instinct to different beings. That'd certainly help in decifering alien language. |
| 01:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | *Well, may |
| 01:23.03 | dinoman9877 | Exactly my point Wormy. |
| 01:23.27 | AdmiralPanda | could always do what the genestealers do and suck the brain out, interpret its cognitive map and absorb information that awy |
| 01:23.28 | AdmiralPanda | way* |
| 01:24.09 | dinoman9877 | The Swarmlord's stomach breaks down the genetic code and it's later imbued into the Swarmlord's DNA, to be used at leisure to create new castes of workers. |
| 01:24.25 | Wormy_ | Drodo: Sure, you could understand why language become important for that species, plus the understand the biology of vocalisation and brainwave patterns. But it would not be adequate to explain meanings and more complex structures of language. |
| 01:24.28 | AdmiralPanda | that outright doesn't work XD |
| 01:24.45 | AdmiralPanda | the arrangement of the DNA is everything, breaking it down renders it useless |
| 01:25.01 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 01:25.05 | dinoman9877 | Not break it down completely. |
| 01:25.07 | dinoman9877 | Wrong wording. |
| 01:25.17 | dinoman9877 | I suppose absorb is a better term, really. |
| 01:26.04 | Wormy_ | Actually I mean to look at the possibility of universal translators. I'm not quite sure how they would work. |
| 01:26.19 | dinoman9877 | I never understood that. |
| 01:26.27 | AdmiralPanda | basically unless it has specific enzymes digestion is just going to destroy the DNA, so a better option would be the whole genestealer thing, although that's more a recombination thing |
| 01:26.39 | dinoman9877 | Instantly able to determine what the heck an alien is saying and translate it. |
| 01:26.42 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_: translate to standard language and back. That's how 40k translators work |
| 01:27.00 | dinoman9877 | Admiral, the Genetithieves evolved from a gene stealing single celled organism. |
| 01:27.26 | dinoman9877 | The DNA is completely unharmed in digestion, and absorbed as if it were nothing more than nutrients in their intestine. |
| 01:27.50 | dinoman9877 | Then replicated and distributed throughout the whole body. |
| 01:28.12 | AdmiralPanda | misunderstanding of biology there; if the DNa were absorbed through the digestive system it would be broken down and used as base components |
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| 01:28.19 | The_Randomness | AdmiralPanda: Read your story, what are you planning for it, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 01:28.24 | Wormy_ | That assumes there is a universal language, at least if you want to speak to a new alien species without difficulty. There may be such a thing I don't know what such a theory would be like. Maybe an advanced mathematics we haven't found yet? |
| 01:28.38 | AdmiralPanda | what you want is for the DNA to be separated before the digestive process, recombinated into cloned strands, and then interpreted |
| 01:28.51 | dinoman9877 | And how would one do that Admiral? |
| 01:29.05 | dinoman9877 | I assume ingestion of the genetic material would have to be included somewhere. |
| 01:29.17 | AdmiralPanda | well yeah, but ingestion =/= digestion |
| 01:29.48 | dinoman9877 | Maybe I could say the Swarmlord has a gizzard where a specialized type of cell swims out and collects DNA from an eaten animal before it moves onto being digested? |
| 01:29.49 | AdmiralPanda | like I said, Ymgarl genestealers. They just suck the brains out, record its makeup, then absorb the DNA in a completely separate system to the digestive |
| 01:30.32 | AdmiralPanda | more like it has a specialized organ for doing so, like teh genestealers' face tentacles or the brain bug from Starship Troopers' proboscis |
| 01:30.42 | dinoman9877 | ...'GIZZARD'?! |
| 01:30.51 | dinoman9877 | Not for grinding up food. |
| 01:31.06 | Wormy_ | I don't want to add further doubts. But this is alien biology the Swarmlord will have to deal with. Though he could be cybernetic I guess |
| 01:31.21 | dinoman9877 | Just a place where specialized, gene absorbing cells reside, and absorb DNA from ingested creatures. |
| 01:31.23 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: I imagine in some very base way all languages are alike. Almost all human languages are verbal (with the exception of sign languages but they use similar rules to verbal ones due to being made by people who are used to verbal language), and they are all alike at a fundemental level. It may not be unreasonable to say that most verbal languages, alien or otherwise, may also be alike in their base components. |
| 01:31.44 | AdmiralPanda | The_Randomness: I have a couple of directions planned, just need to do more sorting out the odds and ends |
| 01:31.55 | dinoman9877 | The Genetithieves evolved from gene-stealing and sharing single celled organisms. I believe we have bacteria on Earth that do something like this? |
| 01:32.00 | DrodoEmpire | And with that in mind, all verbal languages might be in some way distantly related to other forms |
| 01:32.22 | Wormy_ | That might be a way of mapping the structure of language. But its the highly abstract meanings that I'm more concerned with. |
| 01:32.22 | dinoman9877 | What if a language is completely spoke through ultrasound? |
| 01:32.24 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy_: as long as the creature still uses DNA it's compatible |
| 01:32.52 | AdmiralPanda | Bacteria on earth share genetic material yeah, it's basically their equivalent of sexual reproduction |
| 01:33.08 | DrodoEmpire | dinoman: Completely irrelevant. It could be "spoken" through lightwaves. All languages have organized rules of some sort, and that's what I mean. |
| 01:33.08 | Wormy_ | Even so, his digestive enzymes will have to be rather robust |
| 01:33.19 | dinoman9877 | Whos? The Swarmlords? |
| 01:33.23 | AdmiralPanda | thing is that's transmission of pre-packaged genetic material intended for reproductive purposes, not functional DNA |
| 01:34.19 | dinoman9877 | Admiral, these are aliens we're talking about. A bit of open mindedness must be kept. Hear me out, if you haven't read the history of the Swarm. |
| 01:34.33 | DrodoEmpire | The very basic components, rules, etc. are from what I can tell shared among every language that ever was or will be. As for using that as a jumpoff-point to deciphering a complex language? Yeah that's tricky Wormy |
| 01:34.45 | DrodoEmpire | Still, it means its at some level *possible* |
| 01:35.09 | dinoman9877 | The Swarm came from a rapidly mutating and volatile species of cell. These cells had developed the ability to steal genetic information to mutate themselves to better their chances for survival. |
| 01:35.12 | Wormy_ | DrodoEmpire: For example, a parrot is perfectly evolved to "parrot" people. Stick one in a lecture theatre and its evolution is close enough to vocalise and syntax and structure of the speaker's language. But its brain cannot deal with going any further and understanding it, For that we need a highly creative process. |
| 01:35.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, of course |
| 01:35.50 | Wormy_ | It may be possible for something to search through the space of all possible meanings, but that would take forever |
| 01:36.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's definitely the slow way |
| 01:36.18 | dinoman9877 | When I wrote this in the species' history, it made logical sense to me... |
| 01:36.36 | dinoman9877 | I get that digesting a species won't teach it the language. |
| 01:36.40 | dinoman9877 | That was stupid of me. |
| 01:36.42 | DrodoEmpire | We're not saying its bad, don't worry. |
| 01:37.01 | DrodoEmpire | Just trying to deliver some advice. Though, on that |
| 01:37.02 | dinoman9877 | However, the genetic absorption should indeed be possible. |
| 01:37.14 | AdmiralPanda | I've already given you a way to make what you want to do work |
| 01:37.14 | Wormy_ | dino: Your fiction spaked an interesting conversation |
| 01:37.19 | DrodoEmpire | We're sort-of ganging up on him. |
| 01:37.22 | Wormy_ | sparked |
| 01:37.22 | DrodoEmpire | :L |
| 01:37.31 | DrodoEmpire | No wonder you feel a bit demotivated, dino |
| 01:37.39 | Wormy_ | I don't think we are ganging up on him |
| 01:38.06 | DrodoEmpire | We're all speaking at once towards him. I imagine its a bit intimidating, is all |
| 01:38.16 | dinoman9877 | It is. ;-; |
| 01:38.23 | AdmiralPanda | [11:23] <AdmiralPanda> could always do what the genestealers do and suck the brain out, interpret its cognitive map and absorb information that awy |
| 01:38.24 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry. 3: |
| 01:38.27 | AdmiralPanda | [11:28] <AdmiralPanda> what you want is for the DNA to be separated before the digestive process, recombinated into cloned strands, and then interpreted |
| 01:38.33 | AdmiralPanda | [11:30] <AdmiralPanda> more like it has a specialized organ for doing so, like teh genestealers' face tentacles or the brain bug from Starship Troopers' proboscis |
| 01:38.39 | DrodoEmpire | ~give dinoman9877 a cookie |
| 01:38.39 | infobot | ACTION gives dinoman9877 a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 01:38.40 | Wormy_ | Not my intention, sorry |
| 01:38.53 | dinoman9877 | Two cookies. Yey! *nommy nom* |
| 01:39.21 | dinoman9877 | But Admiral, I came up with a solution to the second and third. Organ where gene stealing cells live in the Swarmlord. |
| 01:39.28 | dinoman9877 | I've said this three times now. |
| 01:39.38 | dinoman9877 | THE GENETITHIEVES EVOLVED FROM GENE STEALING CELLS. |
| 01:39.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hey hey! No arguing please. |
| 01:39.57 | AdmiralPanda | then you don't other peoples' advice |
| 01:40.08 | DrodoEmpire | I said no arguing. |
| 01:40.19 | Wormy_ | In summary, the Swarmlord might be able to work the way Panda has suggested, providing its prey has DNA. Though the universal language bit is a bit harder to explain. |
| 01:40.45 | dinoman9877 | The universal language should be hard for all species! |
| 01:40.48 | DrodoEmpire | If worse comes to worse, we could handwave the translation problem honestly |
| 01:41.02 | DrodoEmpire | Well... Most species have *extremely* advanced technology. |
| 01:41.04 | dinoman9877 | But Admiral, I did take your adive. |
| 01:41.07 | Wormy_ | Of course none of this is forcing you to explain them this way. We just like geeking out over these things |
| 01:41.07 | DrodoEmpire | Again |
| 01:41.13 | DrodoEmpire | We should really just handwave it |
| 01:41.31 | dinoman9877 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.32 | AdmiralPanda | as far as I'm aware we DO handwave it |
| 01:41.32 | DrodoEmpire | Very few people actually go to this depth to explain stuff, by all means do not feel obligated to have to |
| 01:42.03 | dinoman9877 | I just created a specialized organ to absorb undestroyed DNA before digestion. |
| 01:42.09 | Wormy_ | I feel as though I may seek an in-depth study on universal translators now, for my own fiction. |
| 01:42.12 | DrodoEmpire | I think this is more of a thought-experiment, a brain exercise then actual fiction discussion |
| 01:42.22 | Aeo | Very nearly done with my paper arguing against the prime directive. Wormy_ DrodoEmpire Don't log off in the next twenty minutes. |
| 01:43.01 | DrodoEmpire | I've always handwaved the translation issue by either saying they A. Have a translator on them or B. Can speak the language (Drodo can speak human languages due to being somewhat similar) |
| 01:43.06 | Wormy_ | Well many Star Trek episodes showed that directive being broken when it needed to be. |
| 01:43.21 | DrodoEmpire | In the original series it was more of a suggestion than anything els |
| 01:43.24 | DrodoEmpire | *else |
| 01:43.25 | dinoman9877 | I don't see the issue with a gizzard which only has the purpose of holding food items until gene stealing cells that live in this gizzard absorb enough genetic material and allow the food to pass on to be eaten. |
| 01:43.49 | dinoman9877 | Even though it's already been eaten. |
| 01:43.53 | dinoman9877 | Yes, it gets eaten a second time. |
| 01:43.54 | DrodoEmpire | There isn't any issue. We aren't going to deduct points because we don't like how it works. XD |
| 01:43.59 | dinoman9877 | I shouldn't type when I'm tired. |
| 01:44.05 | DrodoEmpire | Its fine |
| 01:44.12 | dinoman9877 | Well I want to know what's wrong with the idea. |
| 01:44.17 | AdmiralPanda | efficiency really |
| 01:44.20 | dinoman9877 | I feel like it's a decent explanation of what happens. |
| 01:44.41 | dinoman9877 | Well it's hard to be efficient when you're an insect-reptile hybrid that's bigger than a tyrannosaurus. |
| 01:44.43 | AdmiralPanda | it's easier to not have to worry about protecting the genetic material from the digestive tract, especially since digestion starts in the mouth |
| 01:45.07 | AdmiralPanda | evolution is a constant development towards biological efficiency |
| 01:45.28 | dinoman9877 | But chewing or covering something in spit doesn't really destroy DNA. It's getting burned up in the pool of acid that would do it, methinks. |
| 01:46.02 | DrodoEmpire | Still I think the Prime Directive is a silly idea. :p First Contacts should be taken on a case-by-case basis, not left up to a captain. And even then the PD can do a lot of bad, too; What if the world is in the middle of a global war? Or a mass-genocide is happening? |
| 01:46.20 | DrodoEmpire | Prime Directive or no Prime Directive, I'd intervene |
| 01:46.32 | AdmiralPanda | saliva is basic and involved in the digestion process, and chewing will break up the mass essentially reducing the amount of information you can acquire |
| 01:47.03 | dinoman9877 | The mass is all held in one spot to be swarmed by gene stealing cells. This is the point of the gizzard... |
| 01:47.07 | AdmiralPanda | the brain stores information by forming links between cells, so chewing it up would be directly destroying information |
| 01:47.21 | dinoman9877 | But each cell has it's own DNA. |
| 01:47.25 | DrodoEmpire | So it isn't chewed? |
| 01:47.37 | dinoman9877 | Well depends on the size. |
| 01:47.48 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.imgur.com/odIsmeB.jpg - Long Korea is Best Korea |
| 01:47.51 | dinoman9877 | This thing IS bigger than a T. rex. |
| 01:47.59 | AdmiralPanda | each cell has its own DNA, but that DNA isn't complete- I can keep diving into biological theory if you want |
| 01:48.13 | Wormy_ | Panda brings on a good point here. The information you may need may not be stored in individual DNA but collections of neurons. |
| 01:48.15 | AdmiralPanda | that's an honest offer btw |
| 01:48.38 | dinoman9877 | The genetisis worked better because they could feed off of every available cell... |
| 01:48.41 | dinoman9877 | Dang it... |
| 01:49.13 | AdmiralPanda | I can actually explain how it works if you want, the incomplete DNA per cell thing I mean |
| 01:49.43 | dinoman9877 | I would assume that the cells have the DNA most suited to their function for the organism... |
| 01:50.18 | dinoman9877 | I'm not a biology major. I prefer zoology...Food webs and all that. |
| 01:50.27 | AdmiralPanda | prettymuch yeah, each cell only has functional DNA as per its role. the only cells with a complete set of DNA are stem cells |
| 01:50.47 | dinoman9877 | So basically the Swarmlord as the swallow the brain whole and dry mouthed? XD |
| 01:51.06 | Wormy_ | like spaghetti |
| 01:51.14 | AdmiralPanda | well if he's after genetic information the brain is actually a pretty poor place to look, no stem cells |
| 01:51.26 | dinoman9877 | You make nothing easy. |
| 01:51.37 | dinoman9877 | No one complains when the Zerg or Kharaa do this. |
| 01:51.51 | AdmiralPanda | basically he'd need some way of targeting the stem cells directly (a potential in for your idea of cells in the organ) |
| 01:51.52 | DrodoEmpire | Don't be accusatory |
| 01:51.58 | Wormy_ | lotsa spaghetti |
| 01:52.04 | dinoman9877 | I meant it with love. <3 |
| 01:52.05 | AdmiralPanda | actually everyone in micro does XD |
| 01:52.21 | AdmiralPanda | you haven't SEEN the kind of shit micro majors get up to digging into the Zerg |
| 01:52.39 | dinoman9877 | Well you're saying that something as simple as covering the dead thing in spit will destroy cells. |
| 01:52.51 | AdmiralPanda | that's because it does |
| 01:53.02 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:53.04 | AdmiralPanda | and that's also one of the primary purposes of saliva :P |
| 01:53.18 | dinoman9877 | So unless he spat a glob of these cells at the corpse and then slurped them back up like soup, then I...don't... |
| 01:53.24 | dinoman9877 | Did I just have a breakthrough? |
| 01:53.38 | AdmiralPanda | that's why I said he should probably have a secondary organ for DNA extraction |
| 01:53.48 | AdmiralPanda | that was like the first thing I suggested XD |
| 01:54.01 | dinoman9877 | The first thing you suggested was eating the brain. |
| 01:54.14 | dinoman9877 | Or something along those lines. <_> |
| 01:54.18 | dinoman9877 | I dunno. It was so long ago. |
| 01:54.39 | dinoman9877 | A whole ten minutes ago... |
| 01:54.57 | AdmiralPanda | ok so I wasn't 100% clear. Let me fully explain: the Ymgarl genestealers utilise their face tentacles to directly consume the target's brain via a system of organs completely separate to their digestive tract |
| 01:55.16 | dinoman9877 | Uh-huh. |
| 01:55.33 | AdmiralPanda | so while they do "eat" the brain, it doesn't go into their digestive system at all, instead going to a separate organ that exists to interpret the brain structure and genetic information |
| 01:55.53 | dinoman9877 | So have a secondary organ full of a glob of gene-stealing cell goo, then slurp it back into this organ to extract the DNA. |
| 01:56.16 | AdmiralPanda | prettymuch yeah |
| 01:56.22 | dinoman9877 | Eureka! |
| 01:56.44 | dinoman9877 | Yeah, elaboration on the first point would have save us this whole argument. XD |
| 01:56.48 | AdmiralPanda | that's basically what I was trying to suggest from the start XD sorry for any poor explanations that led to the misunderstanding |
| 01:57.06 | dinoman9877 | Ah well. |
| 01:57.18 | dinoman9877 | Entertaining nontheless. |
| 01:57.35 | dinoman9877 | And for the language barriers, Drodo said we could wave it of... |
| 01:57.57 | dinoman9877 | Only problem is that I never really gave the swarm an inherent language... |
| 01:58.22 | dinoman9877 | They communicate with eachother through roars, growls, infrasound, etc. |
| 01:58.34 | AdmiralPanda | probably don't need one |
| 01:58.53 | dinoman9877 | Suddenly people will be able to understand the Swarmlord? |
| 01:59.12 | AdmiralPanda | magic hyper technological universal translator |
| 01:59.17 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/The_Case_For_Contact Wormy_ DrodoEmpire TekDroid an essay by an Aeoneonatrix arguing that less advanced races should be contacted and intigrated into the intergalactic community. |
| 01:59.31 | AdmiralPanda | Do what Star Trek does and make shit up when and where applicable XD |
| 01:59.38 | dinoman9877 | So they here the lesser castes just growlin and snarling, but they hear the Swarmlord talking? |
| 01:59.54 | Wormy_ | Reminds of animals in rl which inject digestive enzymes into prey before eating them, though with the purpose to consume them for nutrients. |
| 02:00.07 | dinoman9877 | Because Universal Translator implies even animals could be understood. |
| 02:00.15 | dinoman9877 | So it obviously must work on sentient species only. |
| 02:00.22 | AdmiralPanda | they'd probably understand the lesser castes as well assumign those growls and snarls convey meaning |
| 02:00.42 | dinoman9877 | Well growls and snarls usually convey meanings of anger. |
| 02:00.45 | AdmiralPanda | but of course we never bothered putting boundaries on such things so who knows |
| 02:01.24 | dinoman9877 | Well the lesser castes aren't truly 'sentient'. |
| 02:01.49 | dinoman9877 | They have problem solving skills, and some may have the faintest hints of such intelligence... |
| 02:01.57 | dinoman9877 | But only the Swarmlord can be considered as such... |
| 02:02.21 | dinoman9877 | So maybe the Genetithefts do have a language, one only the Swarmlord can understand. |
| 02:02.25 | Wormy_ | Aeo: I'll read it tomorrow. Got to go now. |
| 02:02.35 | Aeo | ok |
| 02:02.36 | dinoman9877 | And yet the Swarmlord can speak in a way that can be understood by the translator. |
| 02:02.38 | Aeo | thanks |
| 02:03.02 | DrodoEmpire | Aeo: I'd contend that the death of a culture under any circumstance is a tragedy/ |
| 02:03.04 | DrodoEmpire | Just saying. |
| 02:03.47 | Aeo | Puno - Then why aren't you practicing some extinct culture so as to ressurect it? You can reverse a tragedy? |
| 02:04.03 | dinoman9877 | But figuring this all out doesn't help me find a start for new fiction. |
| 02:04.35 | Aeo | In all seriousness, I don't agree. I think that the death of a culture, by itself, is morally neutral. Don't confuse the evil means usually used to kill a culture with the death of a culture itself being evil. |
| 02:04.41 | DrodoEmpire | That happens, occasionally. But that's taking my opinion to an absurd extent so I happily throw that counterargument out the window. :) |
| 02:05.01 | DrodoEmpire | Well no I never said its *evil*. I find it saddening. |
| 02:05.52 | Aeo | Puno - Then it's not an actual objection. Why even mention it? "It makes me sad" is an absurd reason not to do something objectively beneficial. |
| 02:05.57 | DrodoEmpire | Saddening that the collective history of a people is lost, and that the loss of an outlook on life has happened. Of *course* it'll happen to every culture eventually. Doesn't mean you gotta be happy about it. |
| 02:06.14 | DrodoEmpire | How is the loss of a culture beneficial? |
| 02:07.00 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - If their continued existence threatens your own, getting rid of them benefits you. |
| 02:07.25 | Aeo | Puno - You misunderstand. It is the neutral byproduct of alien contact, which is beneficial. |
| 02:08.46 | DrodoEmpire | Except that a small, barely-spacefaring race is not usually an existential threat to a more advanced society |
| 02:09.47 | Aeo | Puno's essay is about fully non-spacefaring races. Like us, or us 200 years ago, or us 1000 years ago, or us when we were hunter-gatherers. |
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| 02:09.55 | GD12 | hai |
| 02:09.59 | Aeo | hi |
| 02:10.03 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - Mercy is weakness. Given time, those left to survive may yet constitute a threat. (and yes, I'm fully aware the Fordanta are talking about murdering people while the topic of discussion is social interaction) |
| 02:10.07 | DrodoEmpire | Whichever, doesn't really matter |
| 02:10.31 | Aeo | GD12: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/The_Case_For_Contact |
| 02:10.40 | GD12 | readin |
| 02:10.57 | DrodoEmpire | And yeah just gonna say that exploitation happens anyway. :L Look at history, even recent history. Even of those nations with an official policy of neutrality of cooperation with natives (France comes to mind), people, private citizens, still *used* natives or inadvertently harmed them. |
| 02:11.49 | dinoman9877 | Fixed the Swarmlor'ds entry. :3 |
| 02:12.30 | DrodoEmpire | As well, isolated, European explorers had a nasty habit of ruthlessly exploiting and murdering natives when the government wasn't around to reign them in. It wouldn't be a stretch that spacefaring explorers in the same situation wouldn't simply pillage their way past in search of riches |
| 02:12.41 | DrodoEmpire | *stretch to say that |
| 02:13.09 | DrodoEmpire | This isn't even in defense of noninvolvment, either. I'm just looking at the issues with both |
| 02:13.15 | AdmiralPanda | The Fordanta of course are a slightly extreme case, given that their social and military policies largely arose from dealing with and killing other Fordanta |
| 02:15.14 | dinoman9877 | Now the only thing left to do is decide what the heck I'm going to do with these things now. |
| 02:15.40 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly though, your whole prediction is *really* idealistic. :L I'm just comparing it to what actually happened and it doesn't add up. At all. |
| 02:16.22 | DrodoEmpire | *Nobody* is so benevolent as to just give everything away. Imperialism happens, social issue arise from this new technology and whatnot, and honestly, cultures don't simply "go away"; They take a *long time* to die off |
| 02:16.35 | DrodoEmpire | *issues |
| 02:18.01 | dinoman9877 | The problem with imperialism or invasion of less advanced race's land comes down the a sense of superiority... |
| 02:18.14 | Aeo | Drodo: Well, the essay was written by an Aeoneonatrix. Idealistic is to be expected. Remember that the Aeoneonatrix are magically immune from corruption, so they are the one race that really doesn't have that problem. |
| 02:18.25 | DrodoEmpire | Right... True. |
| 02:18.49 | dinoman9877 | So the higher the superiority complex...the worse it gets. |
| 02:19.07 | DrodoEmpire | Well dino the superiority complex was more used a pretext for conquest |
| 02:19.12 | DrodoEmpire | Not the reason for it itself |
| 02:19.30 | DrodoEmpire | The reasons *for* conquest and imperialism are always the same; Land, money, and resources. |
| 02:19.52 | Aeo | The soul tax and stigma mean that no undedicated Aeoneonatrix could never head the kind of corporation which would exploit contacted peoples, and the Cleanser wouldn't let dedicated persons exploit them, except as part of some gambit, which would be extremely rare. |
| 02:19.58 | DrodoEmpire | So the superiority idea really came afterward, but was *certainly* a big motivator |
| 02:20.06 | dinoman9877 | Yes, but to appease the masses, it's usually superiority. Britain believed they were superior to any place...not Europoean... |
| 02:20.19 | dinoman9877 | They had to teach all people to be Christian and live like Europeans. |
| 02:20.23 | dinoman9877 | Blah blah blah... |
| 02:20.41 | dinoman9877 | The government uses that as the reason. |
| 02:20.51 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, the pretext |
| 02:20.51 | dinoman9877 | But they just want the money and resources. |
| 02:21.35 | Aeo | Well, the Aeoneonatrix believe that all life is of equal value. They also think their culture is the single correct one and all others need embrace it in its core, though perhaps not in its trappings. They let you keep your traditional dress and holidays, but not your values or souls. |
| 02:21.51 | dinoman9877 | So... |
| 02:21.58 | Aeo | But they don't think they're better than you, just their way of doing things. |
| 02:21.59 | dinoman9877 | 1500s Christians. |
| 02:22.18 | DrodoEmpire | But even from the side of the people, again cultures and old habits die hard. People don't just voluntarily give up something like a culture; Frankly its not something you voluntarily join |
| 02:22.24 | DrodoEmpire | It'd be hard to supress |
| 02:22.44 | dinoman9877 | I'd love to see someone try to give the Genetithieves culture. |
| 02:22.44 | DrodoEmpire | And same with all of this new technology at once; Don't you think that'd upset the social order a bit? |
| 02:23.59 | Aeo | Puno - A little bit of chaos now is better than thousands of years of poverty, slavery, warfare and suffering. The immediate aftermath might even be a decrease in their quality of life, but 1000 years later, that will have passed, and they will be spacefaring instead of starving. |
| 02:24.32 | DrodoEmpire | Look at the *massive* social impact something like the printing press, or the firearm had. One allowed many more people to be literate, the other (alongside the pike) helped destroy what was left of the feudal system, with its tall castles and heavy cavalry. This allowed for revolution, yes, but it also meant a *lot* of societal upset and bloodshed |
| 02:24.40 | DrodoEmpire | *they both |
| 02:25.06 | Aeo | Puno - If you had been contacted 200 years ago, you'd be an immortal cyborg and no one would be starving in Africa. |
| 02:25.18 | DrodoEmpire | Now imagine twenty times as much technology and hundreds of times the complexity |
| 02:25.26 | DrodoEmpire | It could leave a lasting, potentially negative impact. |
| 02:25.55 | dinoman9877 | Just trying to wrap their heads around that stuff would be...impossible for the time. |
| 02:26.08 | dinoman9877 | They wouldn't really be advanced enough for it. |
| 02:26.21 | dinoman9877 | It's not like giving a Native American a rifle. Rifles are simple... |
| 02:26.29 | dinoman9877 | Giving a hunter-gatherer a SPACESHIp. |
| 02:26.30 | DrodoEmpire | Well it sort-of is |
| 02:26.37 | dinoman9877 | That's a different story. |
| 02:26.38 | DrodoEmpire | The idea is exactly the same. |
| 02:26.42 | dinoman9877 | It's the same. |
| 02:27.05 | dinoman9877 | But a spaceship is FAR more advanced than an rifled musket. |
| 02:27.08 | DrodoEmpire | So? |
| 02:27.14 | AdmiralPanda | the idea is the same insofar as throwing a rock is the same idea as throwing a grenade; much different impact :P |
| 02:27.14 | DrodoEmpire | The base idea is exactly the same |
| 02:27.25 | DrodoEmpire | What the result is is comparable |
| 02:27.35 | DrodoEmpire | Its the principle |
| 02:28.11 | Aeo | Puno - You know, you don't start by givnig them a space ship. You start by giving them a cell phone, and then a proper house with electronics, and then the internet, and then medicine, and then a space ship. |
| 02:28.30 | dinoman9877 | You expect species that may not even know how to grow crops yet to be able to fly spaceships as easily as it would be for a Native American in the 1500s to load a rifle and shoot it? |
| 02:28.47 | dinoman9877 | If you say so Drodo. |
| 02:28.49 | DrodoEmpire | dino, you're missing the point |
| 02:28.59 | DrodoEmpire | Don't be sarcastic. |
| 02:29.10 | Aeo | If first taught English, a hunter-gatherer could learn everything they needed to to navigate modern society in like a month. |
| 02:29.12 | dinoman9877 | Aeo, forcing that all on them in a short period of time will overwhelm them. |
| 02:29.13 | DrodoEmpire | The impact it had on native american society is comparable. |
| 02:29.34 | dinoman9877 | One day. Look, cell phones. The next, SPACESHIPZ! |
| 02:29.37 | DrodoEmpire | The IDEA of what happened is the same. Its called a comparison. |
| 02:29.46 | DrodoEmpire | Ignore the details |
| 02:29.53 | Aeo | A month is too little time. Maybe like half a decade. Still, they'd learn with plenty of lifetime left to spare. |
| 02:29.55 | dinoman9877 | The idea is the same, but the effects will be completely different. |
| 02:30.05 | DrodoEmpire | Not as much as you'd think |
| 02:30.16 | dinoman9877 | So musket = spaceship? |
| 02:30.29 | Aeo | does his happy dance because he has provoked thought. |
| 02:30.35 | DrodoEmpire | That's... Not what I'm saying |
| 02:30.38 | DrodoEmpire | If you'd let me speak. |
| 02:30.48 | dinoman9877 | I don't think you get what I'm saying. |
| 02:31.01 | DrodoEmpire | I think what I'm saying is sailing well over your head. |
| 02:31.09 | dinoman9877 | Imagine a species about as advanced as the Native Americans were before the Europeans showed up. |
| 02:31.24 | DrodoEmpire | When the Maori recieved firearms, it sparked the Musket Wars, which had *massive*, negative impact on their society, just as a spaceship may. |
| 02:31.41 | dinoman9877 | Give one of them a musket and they'll be better at hunting. Give one of them a spaceship and they'll go into convulsions just trying to understand it! |
| 02:31.45 | DrodoEmpire | The idea of giving natives advanced technology is what you take from that. |
| 02:31.54 | Aeo | Puno - OBJECTION! Weapons are inherently a special case. We are much more careful with them. |
| 02:32.14 | DrodoEmpire | Fine. Opium. China. 1800's. |
| 02:32.26 | Aeo | Puno - And when we can replicate all we want of something, they won't go to war for it because they can just ask us for more. |
| 02:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | Who's to say they won't fight among themselves? |
| 02:32.51 | DrodoEmpire | With or without your knowing or consent |
| 02:32.53 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 02:33.09 | DrodoEmpire | Or really we could use a lot of things. Steel tools. |
| 02:33.13 | DrodoEmpire | Western clothing |
| 02:33.32 | Aeo | Puno - Why would they? How could they do it without us knowing? |
| 02:33.42 | dinoman9877 | Trying to convert hunter-gatherers to a modern industrial society within a century is nigh impossible without massive backlash, both environmentally and culturally. |
| 02:34.40 | DrodoEmpire | Which, going back to my example of the native americans, made them dependent on western traders because they found it difficult to live without such comforts when they were exposed to them. It was *immensely* profitable to the Europeans but nothing but harmful to the native americans |
| 02:34.41 | dinoman9877 | Or even a society that enters its industrial revolution and you try to get them into space. |
| 02:35.04 | DrodoEmpire | As for that... |
| 02:35.06 | dinoman9877 | It will harm them. They'll be overwhelmed. |
| 02:35.20 | dinoman9877 | They'll be tricked and utilized |
| 02:35.25 | dinoman9877 | And yes, they will fight each other. |
| 02:35.43 | DrodoEmpire | Just because you met them and gave them all the technological wonders of the world, doesn't mean old rivalries, nationalistic fervour, or simple disputes won't exist. |
| 02:35.54 | dinoman9877 | It's basically like asking a toddler to do algebra. |
| 02:36.11 | dinoman9877 | Their brains will be smoking. |
| 02:36.23 | dinoman9877 | And like Drodo said, even if they can understand this... |
| 02:36.26 | Aeo | Puno - Again, all you have to do is not exploit them. In real life, any space-faring society will be post-scarcity, or at least post-currency. They'd have nothing to gain from exploitation. |
| 02:36.27 | DrodoEmpire | We humans haven't changed a bit since the classical era despite all of the technological wonders we have |
| 02:36.37 | DrodoEmpire | So? You'd do so inadvertantly. |
| 02:36.46 | Aeo | How so? |
| 02:37.22 | dinoman9877 | You are basically trading their allegiance for technology. |
| 02:37.35 | dinoman9877 | You help them advance, they help you and give you stuff. |
| 02:37.45 | dinoman9877 | It's the age old imperialism story. |
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| 02:37.50 | DrodoEmpire | I'm sure at least *some* Europeans gave things like kettles, knives, and yes, guns to their native american neighbours because they felt it was a nice thing to do, but, again, after the natives got used to having such things they grew dependant on them and, not being able to produce many or any of their own would rely on the Europeans |
| 02:38.09 | DrodoEmpire | And so the cycle of dependance starts |
| 02:38.41 | DrodoEmpire | And so it'd start with a pre-spacefaring race as well. |
| 02:39.11 | dinoman9877 | Genetithieves will be immune to such things, since they have no understanding or use for technology. :3 |
| 02:39.23 | Aeo | Puno - Dependance isn't bad if the one depended on is true of heart and intent. Also, you can help them build their own factories to make this dependance temporary. |
| 02:39.27 | DrodoEmpire | Not because you had the intent to do harm but because you wanted to benefit them, you may've actually harmed them |
| 02:40.04 | DrodoEmpire | Building their own manufactories *would* be possible |
| 02:40.09 | Aeo | Puno - Being rendered dependent is not harm. It is, at most, the risk of harm. |
| 02:40.31 | dinoman9877 | Because all of your species is automatically true of heart. |
| 02:40.35 | dinoman9877 | How modest of you. |
| 02:41.00 | DrodoEmpire | Again I turn to our native american friends to show that dependance is often harmful. :L However unlike in my example the problem of dependance could be at least allievated. |
| 02:41.02 | Aeo | They have a God who mind controls them if they ever fail to be true of heart. |
| 02:41.19 | Aeo | And renders them true of heart again. |
| 02:41.25 | dinoman9877 | Ah, a science fantasy race. |
| 02:41.26 | dinoman9877 | I see. |
| 02:42.06 | Aeo | Though I'd argue that IRL, spacefaring societies would be communist and have nothing to gain from exploiting us. |
| 02:42.24 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh... Plenty that could be gained really |
| 02:42.32 | dinoman9877 | Because Communism works so well in practice. |
| 02:42.34 | DrodoEmpire | Communist =/= instantly prosperous |
| 02:42.38 | Aeo | Not that no communist has anything to gain from exploiting, but their food and labor and all the rest would come from machines and their energy from stars. |
| 02:42.57 | Aeo | They'd be like the Venus project. |
| 02:43.02 | dinoman9877 | You're automatically assuming that space faring races aren't greedy. |
| 02:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:43.12 | DrodoEmpire | Bad idea |
| 02:43.28 | DrodoEmpire | What if such a world was at the crossroads of a major trade route, and the control of it was decisive? :P |
| 02:43.30 | Aeo | They have everything they want. There is nothing to be greedy about. |
| 02:43.46 | dinoman9877 | HOW CAN THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT?! |
| 02:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | ...You assume that they'd *never* want to gain political leverage either? |
| 02:43.52 | dinoman9877 | Resources get depleted! |
| 02:43.59 | dinoman9877 | Powers shift balance! |
| 02:44.30 | DrodoEmpire | Or really what if the control of such a system was other wise decisive, or in the case of SW was in an andasium-rich area? |
| 02:44.38 | DrodoEmpire | *otherwise |
| 02:44.51 | DrodoEmpire | There *are* reasons for exploitation to arise |
| 02:44.56 | DrodoEmpire | Or otherwise contract |
| 02:44.59 | DrodoEmpire | *contact |
| 02:45.49 | DrodoEmpire | But in all I just think contact, neither encouraged or discouraged should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Assimilation, as history shows, can be a tricky business. |
| 02:48.03 | dinoman9877 | Unless you're the Borg. |
| 02:49.29 | Aeo | Or the magical simiborg, which is what the Aeoneonatrix are. |
| 02:50.28 | dinoman9877 | Pretty sure the Borg destroy spaceships then assimilate their technical doodads into their fleet. |
| 02:50.31 | dinoman9877 | Just saying. |
| 02:51.02 | Aeo | They have the cultures they contact annihilated within a few years in a nice, half-life curve of soul-giving and religious oppression. |
| 02:51.17 | dinoman9877 | ... |
| 02:51.38 | dinoman9877 | Your species sounds horribly like space-faring Catholics. |
| 02:51.55 | DrodoEmpire | ...Just gonna throw the *gigantic* amount of nationalist fervour under the rug? |
| 02:52.03 | DrodoEmpire | That'd end in a mass-revolt. |
| 02:52.05 | DrodoEmpire | :L |
| 02:52.27 | DrodoEmpire | People don't just give up like that. and when they are oppressed, they are spurred on to revolt. Its the way things work. |
| 02:52.52 | dinoman9877 | Nope. Obviously this God just brainwashes the people. |
| 02:53.07 | dinoman9877 | ...Please tell me this civilization is in Science Fantasy |
| 02:54.01 | dinoman9877 | No, really, I'm begging you to tell me that's the genre 'univerese' it's in. |
| 02:54.45 | Aeo | It's in the same universe as the Xhodocto and a load of other magical creatures. |
| 02:55.01 | DrodoEmpire | Well magic's all fine and good |
| 02:55.23 | Aeo | Essence, technically, but I call a spade a spade. |
| 02:55.27 | DrodoEmpire | Expecting entire species to simply convert and surrender ancient values in one huge convert-a-thon is a different animal |
| 02:55.57 | DrodoEmpire | Its literally *never* ended well |
| 02:56.36 | DrodoEmpire | Like I'm sure it'd be done, but not without a military crackdown or seven. |
| 02:56.54 | dinoman9877 | *seventy |
| 02:57.01 | DrodoEmpire | That or a revolt *completely* dislodges the Aeons. |
| 02:57.26 | dinoman9877 | It took over three hundred years for Native Americans to be forced to the very edges of the North American continent. |
| 02:58.00 | DrodoEmpire | Speaking of the native americans |
| 02:58.34 | Aeo | Drodo: I kind of agree. I think it's easier than you think, but I also think I have some undone work I need to do explaining exactly how they're able to do this consistently. Part of the answer lies in the Cleanser and his magic, and people converting to an obviously true religion more quickly than any other, part of it lies in having done this so much as to make it into a science, but yeah, I need to think on it more. |
| 02:58.51 | DrodoEmpire | You *really* need to give it a good think. |
| 02:58.59 | DrodoEmpire | You said it yourself |
| 02:59.03 | DrodoEmpire | Religions are hardy |
| 02:59.10 | DrodoEmpire | They'd find a way to explain it away |
| 02:59.12 | DrodoEmpire | And besides that |
| 02:59.31 | DrodoEmpire | Religion's one thing, national, ethnic identity's a related, but different thing. |
| 02:59.42 | DrodoEmpire | Those are rather ironically harder to dislodge |
| 02:59.44 | Aeo | Who says they have to lose that? |
| 02:59.58 | DrodoEmpire | ...Because such a thing forms the very basis of nationalism |
| 03:00.14 | dinoman9877 | Assimilation = Making them like you = Losing national identity |
| 03:00.22 | DrodoEmpire | And nationalistic thinking comes easily to people in times of assimilation or opporession |
| 03:00.30 | DrodoEmpire | *oppression |
| 03:00.37 | Aeo | They don't. Not entirely, anyway. Converting to a new religion and value system and becoming a protectorate doesn't reduce national identity to 0. |
| 03:00.56 | DrodoEmpire | Actually it does just about obliterate it |
| 03:01.02 | dinoman9877 | And I suppose Japan is exactly like it was back in the feudal era? |
| 03:01.07 | DrodoEmpire | Religion and values form the basis of culture |
| 03:01.15 | DrodoEmpire | Remove both and no culture remains |
| 03:02.59 | dinoman9877 | I just realized. Religious wars in the Sci Fantasy universe must be extremely violent... |
| 03:03.10 | dinoman9877 | With so many gods existing physically at once. |
| 03:03.10 | DrodoEmpire | I have *plenty* of historical context in which I say this. Look at the Sepoy revolt, *armies* of soldiers got uppity over what the bullets in their new rifles were *greased with*. Though really this was simply the buildup of nationalistic and anti-British sentiment. |
| 03:04.15 | DrodoEmpire | It'll need a good thinking through and, really, you should *seriously* consider just how reluctant peoples are to give up what is their very being |
| 03:04.33 | DrodoEmpire | In other words at least add a list of notable revolts, or say that they happen |
| 03:04.44 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 03:05.09 | dinoman9877 | Do you think humans would react well if aliens came down from the sky and the first thing they did is try to make us be like them? |
| 03:05.21 | dinoman9877 | The Christians, Jews, and Muslims would flip out the most. |
| 03:05.32 | Aeo | I suppose the logic is that that would be tempered by the fact that a wave of conversions would result from the fact that the Cleanser exists, getting a load of religions converts. This would mean that the pool of rebels would be lowered and war with the Aeons would be war with your neighbors. |
| 03:05.59 | DrodoEmpire | Lowered somewhat. Still very much so there |
| 03:06.01 | dinoman9877 | Question. Does the Cleanser present itself physically to 'unbelievers'? |
| 03:06.11 | DrodoEmpire | You exaggerate how much the cleanser would help |
| 03:06.27 | DrodoEmpire | These people have already seen spaceships, laser guns, and a whole manner of other, unexplainable things |
| 03:06.39 | GD12 | I think the difference is that Cleanser converts cannot be converted back |
| 03:06.40 | DrodoEmpire | What makes you think a "god" would shock them yet more? |
| 03:06.51 | Aeo | dino: He can and does, but more normatively, he makes them hear his voice, including making large crowds hear the same thing from him at once. |
| 03:06.51 | GD12 | I don't think Cleanser can convert more than any other god |
| 03:06.55 | DrodoEmpire | GD: Well this is about converting them in the first place |
| 03:07.06 | GD12 | yeah exactly |
| 03:07.09 | dinoman9877 | You can do that with a megaphone too. |
| 03:07.09 | DrodoEmpire | Oh right |
| 03:07.11 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 03:07.17 | GD12 | What im saying is cleanser is only dfiferent i nthat once you cleanse you cant go back |
| 03:07.30 | GD12 | not that hes more attractive cleansingwise |
| 03:07.31 | dinoman9877 | Well, throw dirt at them. |
| 03:07.46 | dinoman9877 | Then you have to cleanse them again because they're all dirty. :3 |
| 03:08.24 | GD12 | hur |
| 03:08.26 | dinoman9877 | And dirt could be construed as a rival god and his sla-Ahem, worshipers. |
| 03:08.44 | Aeo | What makes him more attractive is that he's real. People who are unsettled by their religion's lack of evidence will convert to Cleanserism. Also, keep in mind that in a conquered culture, there's also a massive population of slaves he just saved. They'll convert more easily. |
| 03:09.07 | dinoman9877 | So all populations have slaves now? |
| 03:09.35 | dinoman9877 | Plus, I can name another existent god in that universe, and I'm assured that there's more. |
| 03:09.36 | Aeo | Most of the ones who the Aeons outright conquer. |
| 03:09.36 | DrodoEmpire | There are *always* slaves? As it currently stands, slaves are a fairly small percentage of the world population right now. |
| 03:09.59 | Aeo | It's not like they conquer every civilization they come accross. |
| 03:10.07 | dinoman9877 | Aeo, you're basing your fiction completely off of assumption. |
| 03:10.24 | dinoman9877 | If it's in your own universe, then that's just fine. |
| 03:10.26 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah he's real but so are spaceships, laser guns, and whatnot. Why would a god-like figure who can do a few neat tricks instantly get millions of converts? |
| 03:10.46 | GD12 | ^ |
| 03:10.52 | DrodoEmpire | I get people are gullible, but really now |
| 03:10.52 | dinoman9877 | 'Because he's real!' |
| 03:10.56 | GD12 | Clarkes Third Law means gods arent that impressive |
| 03:11.12 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 03:11.26 | dinoman9877 | He's like all gods, he'll instantly solve all your problems, if you just belieeeeve! |
| 03:11.32 | dinoman9877 | Now I'm being a dick. :3 |
| 03:11.45 | Aeo | Hmm... when you put it like that... |
| 03:11.46 | dinoman9877 | But usually that is why people become religious in the first place. |
| 03:11.59 | Aeo | Though there is another factor in the Cleanser's favor: his deals. |
| 03:12.11 | DrodoEmpire | Again, neat trick. |
| 03:12.15 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 03:12.16 | dinoman9877 | They believe that these gods can solve their problems and make life all prosperous and happy. |
| 03:12.20 | dinoman9877 | His deals? |
| 03:12.28 | dinoman9877 | He got ties with the intergalactic mafia? |
| 03:12.37 | dinoman9877 | They gunna make him sleep wif da fishes? |
| 03:12.53 | Aeo | He will make a deal for your soul. |
| 03:13.01 | dinoman9877 | Ah. Souls. |
| 03:13.03 | DrodoEmpire | Neat trick, bud. :p |
| 03:13.15 | dinoman9877 | Give me your soul...I'll give you five bucks.... |
| 03:13.18 | dinoman9877 | 'DEAL!' |
| 03:13.38 | Aeo | Five bucks? How about healing your terminally ill child? |
| 03:13.50 | DrodoEmpire | ...So can your medical technology |
| 03:13.54 | GD12 | Heres one thought |
| 03:13.55 | DrodoEmpire | Which you've generously given us |
| 03:14.04 | GD12 | The Cleanser isn't completely omnipotent |
| 03:14.10 | DrodoEmpire | Again, when compared to spaceships, laser guns, and on-demand porno, I fail to see why a god who can do a bunch of neat stuff would impress the already-awed natives. |
| 03:14.12 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 03:14.16 | GD12 | Theres not much he can do I think that sufficiently advanced sci0fi tech cant' |
| 03:14.24 | GD12 | >on-demand porno |
| 03:14.35 | dinoman9877 | *facedesk* |
| 03:14.51 | DrodoEmpire | If you're the pre-internet natives that'd be *awesome*. XD |
| 03:15.54 | Aeo | Perhaps the Aeons offer their technology in exchange for pro-cleanserist policies? |
| 03:16.00 | GD12 | What we're saying is that the Cleansie probably isn't more awe-inspiring to an eartbound civilization than the Aeons probably already are |
| 03:16.07 | dinoman9877 | Ah. Bribery! |
| 03:16.11 | GD12 | Yeah that would probably make more sense |
| 03:16.19 | DrodoEmpire | That'd make more sense |
| 03:16.28 | Aeo | I'll intigrate that then. |
| 03:16.30 | GD12 | Aeons give tech and the natives assimilate |
| 03:16.34 | dinoman9877 | We're gonna give you this deal. We're gonna force you to convert anyway, but it's up to you if you want to accept it. |
| 03:16.53 | dinoman9877 | Makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 03:16.55 | Aeo | Lingur - Well we don't tell them that until they say no, silly. |
| 03:16.55 | DrodoEmpire | Well at that point at least the natives are given choice, or, the illusion thereof. |
| 03:17.25 | DrodoEmpire | Seems like a better plan than "stick god in face and hope for converts". :p |
| 03:17.50 | dinoman9877 | Even then, I think some would still resist. |
| 03:17.54 | GD12 | I'd say its still a better way of coercing the natives |
| 03:17.56 | dinoman9877 | Probably violently. |
| 03:18.03 | GD12 | It doesn't have to be 100% effective |
| 03:18.10 | GD12 | it just has to be more effective than waving cleanser in their face |
| 03:18.11 | DrodoEmpire | dino: That'd always, always happen |
| 03:18.17 | DrodoEmpire | To varying extents |
| 03:18.18 | dinoman9877 | Call it sorcery or something to sway opinion back to old values. |
| 03:18.39 | DrodoEmpire | dino: Syncretism |
| 03:19.01 | Aeo | The tech deal is a tool in their arsenal. Rubbing the Cleanser in their face is a tool in their arsenal. They use whatever will work. |
| 03:19.14 | GD12 | Aeon policy would probably be to arrive bearing gifts and coerce using that |
| 03:19.19 | GD12 | And be a bit more assertive if that doesn't work |
| 03:19.27 | GD12 | ^^^ |
| 03:19.45 | Aeo | ^ Yes. Thank you for your contribution to my fiction. |
| 03:19.47 | dinoman9877 | But I have to ask...why do they have to take on the role of 1500s Christians? Why is it so hard to respect other peoples' cultures? D: |
| 03:20.36 | Aeo | Because other people's cultures are loaded with slavery, racism, genocide and needless war. |
| 03:20.52 | GD12 | Because Aeo wants the Aeons to |
| 03:20.56 | dinoman9877 | Geez, the assumptions are strong with this one. |
| 03:21.15 | DrodoEmpire | Geez, the lack of separation creation from creator is strong with this one. |
| 03:21.17 | Aeo | And the parts of them that aren't, or the one's that aren't like that, are respected. |
| 03:21.18 | DrodoEmpire | :L |
| 03:21.20 | dinoman9877 | Genetithieves aren't racist. :3 |
| 03:21.22 | GD12 | Theres probably both selfish intentions and selfless (from their perspective) intentions |
| 03:21.25 | DrodoEmpire | *of creation and creator |
| 03:21.50 | dinoman9877 | They just brutally destroy any who threaten their well being. |
| 03:22.05 | Aeo | Er... no they don't. |
| 03:22.19 | DrodoEmpire | Yep, welcome to the Gigaquadrant. There's worse out there. Enjoy your stay! |
| 03:22.39 | DrodoEmpire | Life isn't fair. God is dead. Santa isn't real. All that fun stuff! |
| 03:23.18 | Aeo | The Aeons are still the most ethical fiction in that they're the only ones who actually mean well all the time and are clear-headed enough that that translates into at least mostly good outcomes. |
| 03:23.29 | dinoman9877 | I can tell you now that the Swarm and the Aeons would go together like fire and water. |
| 03:23.37 | GD12 | The Aeos believe what they are doing is right, whether they are doing what is right depends on which perspective you view it from |
| 03:23.43 | dinoman9877 | Not in that specific order. |
| 03:23.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well... Ethical in the way that in their heads they're *well meaning*. |
| 03:23.55 | GD12 | *Aeons |
| 03:24.07 | DrodoEmpire | But of course, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. :L |
| 03:24.27 | dinoman9877 | Ethical is questionable when you're an assimilating race that holds themselves in the highest opinion. |
| 03:24.42 | dinoman9877 | So many parallels to European Christians... |
| 03:24.58 | Aeo | And usually work out. It's hard to argue with their results from any human perspective. They save billions of lives. By comparison, other non-malevolent Empires are the equivalent of law abiding citizens not hurting anyone, but not helping anyone either. |
| 03:25.38 | dinoman9877 | So you've basically made the Mary-Sue empire? |
| 03:25.42 | GD12 | Whether the Aeos are doing right or wrong is contingent on the value system you view it from |
| 03:25.46 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 03:25.51 | GD12 | But i think according to their value system they are the good guys |
| 03:26.07 | DrodoEmpire | And "save" depends on who you are, too. I say its more imperialism |
| 03:26.13 | GD12 | So they are good-intentioned but whether they do good is dependent on which perspective you view it from |
| 03:26.13 | External | dinoman9877: And yet...we don't think of the Muslims, Hindus, or the Jewish. |
| 03:26.18 | External | Their history |
| 03:26.29 | Aeo | I've made a special effort to make them as ambiguous as possible. By design, utilitatian value systems like them and deontological ones don't. |
| 03:26.37 | dinoman9877 | Christians have been the most vocal in recent centuries. |
| 03:27.08 | dinoman9877 | And Hindus are fairly peaceful so... |
| 03:27.12 | DrodoEmpire | Hah! |
| 03:27.19 | DrodoEmpire | India's been a warzone for centurie |
| 03:27.23 | DrodoEmpire | *centuries |
| 03:27.38 | dinoman9877 | Well, they WERE fairly peaceful. |
| 03:27.43 | GD12 | For example the Dominatus think they are good guys (they are fulfilling their value of increasing Dominatus power as much as possible) , whether they are or are not is contingent to which perspective you view it from |
| 03:27.47 | dinoman9877 | Unless it's the Civ games. |
| 03:27.58 | dinoman9877 | Darn you Nuke loving Ghandi... |
| 03:28.21 | GD12 | For example from the Imperium of War's perspective (make as much war as possible) they are probably viewied in an angelic light |
| 03:28.24 | DrodoEmpire | External: We focus on European Christians because they're the most extreme example of the sort of callous imperialistic happenings that result from such exchanges, and the consequences from them. |
| 03:28.34 | Aeo | GD12: The difference being that the Aeon's value system is internally consistent while the Dommies are normative relativists, which means they basically believe in moral married bachelors. |
| 03:28.35 | GD12 | Whereas the rest of the Gigauqadrant despises them because their existence is antithetical to their existence |
| 03:28.51 | External | dinoman9877: Hey! Ghandi is a holy man of peace! Despite his damned nuke usage |
| 03:29.07 | DrodoEmpire | dino: You seem to think that indians always had a tradition of peace because Gandhi. This is not so. |
| 03:29.17 | dinoman9877 | The Swarm only wishes to keep their species alive. They will attempt to destroy any who get in their way, however. |
| 03:29.21 | DrodoEmpire | India's always been a battleground between great empires |
| 03:29.23 | DrodoEmpire | Always |
| 03:29.28 | dinoman9877 | I understand that. |
| 03:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | Their stories, history, and mythology show it |
| 03:29.32 | GD12 | The Dominatus could say they are internally consistent in that the only moral thing is to do what benefits the Dominatus |
| 03:29.50 | DrodoEmpire | Gandhi's interpretation of Indian myth and history was seen as *highly* unconventional |
| 03:30.11 | Aeo | GD12 but they don't believe that. They believe that morality is both objective, because everyone is really obligated to help them, and relative, because might makes right. |
| 03:30.18 | dinoman9877 | Well war was getting people nowhere, so peacefulness should have been worth a shot. |
| 03:30.23 | DrodoEmpire | dino; Then why say they're always peaceful? |
| 03:30.45 | DrodoEmpire | Nah, war gets you places. The only problem is that its at the expense of many others |
| 03:30.45 | dinoman9877 | My knowledge of Inda is extremely limited. |
| 03:30.59 | GD12 | "because everyone is really obligated to help them" |
| 03:31.10 | dinoman9877 | But what I do know of it was Ghandi trying to keep everything peaceful. |
| 03:31.16 | DrodoEmpire | I don't have too much either, but I know for a fact that India was *not* a peaceful place |
| 03:31.19 | GD12 | where'd you gather that that was one of their beliefs |
| 03:31.28 | dinoman9877 | Again, Mary-Sue empire? |
| 03:31.39 | DrodoEmpire | Whether it be the rise and fall of great empires, the invasion from the Timurids... You name it |
| 03:32.05 | Aeo | Well, their rhetoric, unless they're lying when they say they're helping slaves fulfill their natural role. |
| 03:33.03 | GD12 | Well stemming from the might makes right logic the Dominatus could believe that an inferior is obligated to serve a superior |
| 03:33.19 | GD12 | So I guess that could hold but its still logically consistent with might makes right |
| 03:33.58 | Aeo | I'd also argue that might-makes-right ethics are useless, as it's another way of saying "whatever happens is what ought to happen. If something doesn't happen, it wasn't right because no one was mighty enough and willing to make it happen, and if it does happen, it was right because someone was." |
| 03:34.22 | DrodoEmpire | Might-makes-right isn't ethical but its reality |
| 03:34.25 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 03:34.26 | GD12 | It still functions as a justification for something |
| 03:34.38 | dinoman9877 | Isn't that what the Nazis did? |
| 03:34.38 | GD12 | which in the Dominatus case is the superiority of the Dominatus |
| 03:34.49 | Aeo | It functions as a rationalization to suppress conscience. |
| 03:34.50 | GD12 | Its what a lot of powerful factions do |
| 03:34.56 | dinoman9877 | True. |
| 03:35.12 | dinoman9877 | This makes my guys seem so simple in comparison. |
| 03:35.13 | GD12 | That stems from the assumption that every being has a conscience which is antithetical to that |
| 03:35.54 | GD12 | Assuming conscience is formed by what one learns then it is perfectly valid for a conscience to be determined by indoctrination |
| 03:36.10 | Aeo | I'm not a moral realist anymore, at least not like I was. I'd say I'm an existentialist now. Also, it is worth poiting out how well Dominatus morality worked out for them. |
| 03:36.11 | dinoman9877 | Hence religion on Earth. |
| 03:36.12 | GD12 | e.g. the superiority of ones race or the might makes right thing |
| 03:36.20 | GD12 | aye |
| 03:36.25 | GD12 | Thats a very good point |
| 03:36.31 | GD12 | I'm not trying to argue that its effective though |
| 03:36.51 | Aeo | I would agree if your point is just that it's not *false* |
| 03:37.21 | Aeo | I would say moral systems are fictions humans use because we're just flat programmed to do so. |
| 03:37.50 | Aeo | And I expect aliens to be programed to use them as well, and probably to tend toward a lot of the same features in their ethical systems. |
| 03:38.01 | Aeo | Most aliens, at least. |
| 03:38.23 | dinoman9877 | Sadly, a lot of morals are bigoted or non-progressive. |
| 03:38.30 | Aeo | It would be fun to experiment with an alien race who natural selection really did arrange to have totally different morals than the rest of the gigaquadrant. |
| 03:39.51 | Aeo | It's legitimately a hard thing to imagine happening naturally, though. What non-artificial circumstance creates an environment which doesn't favor at least some aversion to murdering your tribe members? |
| 03:40.39 | GD12 | If the punishment of failure is death |
| 03:40.39 | Aeo | That is to say, in what environment does a sapient species develop by natural selection without tending toward the moral code imposed on the rest of us by game theory? |
| 03:40.56 | GD12 | If Profitable to Murder -> Murder else don't |
| 03:41.51 | GD12 | Really the cost-benefit analysis could justify anything depending on what you value |
| 03:42.34 | Aeo | GD12: But how does that dysfuntional tribe of sociopathic assholes outcompete the cooperative and teamwork-tastic tribe nextdoor? |
| 03:43.02 | Aeo | Let's think about this. |
| 03:43.24 | GD12 | They might cooperate so long as it is profitable |
| 03:43.27 | GD12 | perhaps an us vs them mentality |
| 03:43.42 | GD12 | Would inspire them to not be at each others throats so long as there exists a greater threat from the outside |
| 03:43.48 | Aeo | Okay, so perhaps resources are really, really scarce. So much so as to make it totally acceptable, even needed, to kill other races... LIGHTBULB! |
| 03:44.16 | dinoman9877 | Gonna go guys. Tired and this discussion is more or less dying down... |
| 03:44.22 | Aeo | If a species developed in an environment where the easiest way to get what they needed was by killing off the next tribe and taking it, they'd learn to love and enjoy genocide. |
| 03:44.36 | GD12 | Aye |
| 03:45.02 | Aeo | Though I don't expect such races to be common in the real universe. |
| 03:45.14 | Aeo | They'd be the exception rather than the norm. |
| 03:45.15 | GD12 | Doesn't mean it is impossible for them to exist |
| 03:46.15 | GD12 | Whether they are the exception or the more depends on the characteristics of their worlds/the universe I think rather than anything else |
| 03:47.55 | GD12 | Moreover its possible for them to formulate value systems that are not completely predicated on maximizing resources or something |
| 03:48.23 | GD12 | It is also possible for them I think to formulate these value systems at any point in time regardless of their resources (possible means nonzero chance) |
| 03:49.18 | Aeo | True. I could do a story about the Aeons subjugating such a race. |
| 03:50.44 | GD12 | Of course their success in subjugating such a race is dependent on the fact that they have more power relative to the other race rather than their moral commitments |
| 03:53.11 | Aeo | True, though since our moral committments are more common, in the real universe, our morals have all the power D |
| 03:53.26 | Aeo | * >:D |
| 03:54.13 | GD12 | *Under the assumption that they are more common, all things being equal they would be more powerful |
| 03:54.33 | GD12 | There is a lot we don't know about the universe |
| 03:57.51 | Aeo | Well, there are other animals with moral codes, and they have at least some things in common. |
| 03:59.10 | Aeo | Dolphins are life-savey. |
| 03:59.38 | Aeo | Though Octopi are amoral, I think. |
| 03:59.55 | GD12 | I think in the animal kingdom the code of morals = protect my allies, destory my enemies |
| 04:00.12 | DrodoEmpire | *Octopuses |
| 04:00.14 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 04:00.20 | Aeo | Dolphins transcend that. They will save the lives of strangers. |
| 04:00.28 | AdmiralPanda | in the animal kingdom the code of morals is survive |
| 04:00.40 | DrodoEmpire | Octopus is not latin/latin derived, therefore it should not have a latin plural |
| 04:00.47 | GD12 | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2721786/The-dark-dolphins-Mammal-aggressively-tried-push-swimmer-underwater-coast-Ireland.html |
| 04:01.03 | GD12 | I don't think dolphins are all sunshine and flowers |
| 04:01.28 | AdmiralPanda | if you've ever seen them hunting they're brutal mofos XD |
| 04:04.21 | Aeo | I didn't say they were sunshine and flowers... |
| 04:06.02 | Aeo | Also, there is reason to suspect that it's a misunderstanding, if you actually read the article. It is possible that the dolphin was playing, or that they were coming on to the man. |
| 04:07.26 | Aeo | And it's possible that they were trying to eliminate competition. Still, hunter-gatherer humans were raiders, like, all the damn time. Perhaps we're judging them prematurely. Give them dolphin agriculture and dolphin sell phones and see what happens in 100000 years. |
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| 07:43.04 | dino82_ | hellowz |
| 07:45.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 07:52.26 | dino82_ | :D |
| 07:52.36 | dino82_ | How are you doing! |
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| 07:56.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 07:56.19 | Ghelae | dino82_: I'm all right; how about you? |
| 07:56.41 | Monet | Hello |
| 07:57.08 | dino82_ | @Ghel: I am great as well! Thanks! Enjoying the weekend :D |
| 07:57.11 | dino82_ | Hey Monet! |
| 07:57.13 | dino82_ | And HAchi! |
| 07:57.52 | Monet | dino82_: You sure you don't mean Halopediaman? |
| 07:58.14 | dino82_ | Halopediaman? I mean all :D |
| 07:58.27 | Halopediaman | wat |
| 08:01.45 | Monet | Oh, nvm then |
| 08:27.23 | dino82_ | :D |
| 08:27.27 | dino82_ | any fiction plans? |
| 08:28.12 | Monet | The tide is about to turn i nthe GXS. |
| 08:28.51 | dino82_ | oh? |
| 08:29.01 | Monet | The Imperium and what's left of the Xonexi Allies been holding off the DCP, but with the emergence of a new French Empire, that stalemate may end soon. |
| 08:29.07 | dino82_ | now that is interessting to hear, and surprising :D |
| 08:29.12 | dino82_ | wonder how the Imperium will deal with it |
| 08:29.57 | Monet | Oh the French are o nthe side of the Allies. |
| 08:35.29 | drom | Mornin' |
| 08:35.53 | Monet | Right now I'm expanding the DI's page |
| 08:41.22 | dino82_ | neat! |
| 08:41.24 | dino82_ | morning drom! |
| 08:50.03 | dino82_ | <gallery widths="200" position="center" bordercolor="#0059FF" captionalign="center" hideaddbutton="true"> |
| 08:50.05 | dino82_ | finished! |
| 08:50.10 | dino82_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Aegimi |
| 08:55.43 | Monet | I'd love ot visit Dragon's Skull |
| 08:56.02 | Monet | The Dragon's Song must be quite eerie. But maybe a beautiful kind of eerie |
| 08:59.22 | dino82_ | It is something unique found int he Rambo, a growing market for the Tourism :D |
| 09:01.12 | Monet | Hmm I wonder ifg there could be a few Draconid artists who could go there, record the Dragon's Song, remix it, sample it and turn it into more recogniseable music |
| 09:03.35 | dino82_ | sure! |
| 09:03.39 | dino82_ | The Rambo would be honored |
| 09:03.54 | dino82_ | they would probably recieve high lisitng in the Quadrantia HoloNet then :D |
| 09:04.04 | dino82_ | Perhaps I should make a page for ath as wel, thoug it is sometime just referred |
| 09:04.07 | dino82_ | not really large role |
| 09:04.08 | dino82_ | ah well |
| 09:04.23 | dino82_ | IT would be great! If you want you can create a picture for it! Then I will add it to the Aegimi page |
| 09:05.20 | Monet | Actually now that you mention it, the idea of a community "media" page has been entertained. |
| 09:05.50 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:199717 this |
| 09:08.03 | dino82_ | oh! |
| 09:08.06 | dino82_ | Now that is interessting |
| 09:08.10 | dino82_ | I would say give it a go! |
| 09:24.55 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium think this is all I can od for now |
| 09:28.28 | dino82_ | nice updates! |
| 09:29.06 | Monet | THanks |
| 09:30.31 | drom | That's one heck of an update. Good work! |
| 09:31.32 | drom | Time for me to go |
| 09:31.34 | drom | see ya |
| 09:31.57 | Monet | goodbye |
| 09:33.47 | dino82_ | bye |
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| 10:06.27 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 10:06.37 | AdmiralPanda | Technobliterator: you heer? |
| 10:14.52 | dino82_ | hellowz |
| 10:15.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:03.55 | dino82_ | bye bye all |
| 11:03.57 | dino82_ | tlll next time :D |
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| 11:23.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:23.21 | OluapWorker | Hi |
| 11:28.28 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 12:20.18 | Technobliterator | AdmiralPanda, I am now |
| 12:21.10 | AdmiralPanda | remember that bitch of a fish I was talking about last time? |
| 12:21.55 | Technobliterator | yeah? |
| 12:22.35 | AdmiralPanda | caught it ^.^ |
| 12:23.12 | Technobliterator | :O |
| 12:23.13 | Technobliterator | niice |
| 12:28.05 | AdmiralPanda | took me long enough, goddamn that was a pain |
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| 12:28.57 | Technobliterator | I can imagine |
| 12:29.03 | Technobliterator | meanwhile I've been doing GLA dungeons |
| 12:29.07 | Technobliterator | apparently I'm not doing too bad |
| 12:29.39 | Impy_Semi | Doing homework and preparing for exams, ping me in case I am needed for an RP |
| 12:30.02 | Impy_Semi | If possible I'd like Fog War to be done today, I won't be available later |
| 12:30.27 | OluapWorker | It's not time for your section yet |
| 12:30.35 | OluapWorker | I have one more section to do before that |
| 12:32.12 | AdmiralPanda | maintaining aggro isn't going to be fun, it gets a bit easier at 26, 40 and 50 |
| 12:34.19 | Technobliterator | I'm having troubles keeping aggro and keeping my MP in check : | |
| 12:34.30 | Technobliterator | but beyond that I'm not finding it too difficult |
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| 12:41.07 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 12:42.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:42.09 | OluapWorker | Hi |
| 12:44.23 | AdmiralPanda | how are you following up on the pull currently? |
| 12:45.11 | Wormy_ | What do you mean? |
| 12:46.16 | AdmiralPanda | talking to Jo |
| 12:46.46 | Wormy_ | Alright, I guessed it wasn't for me. But you never know. |
| 12:47.48 | Wormy_ | warning! gross http://imgur.com/gallery/jTfTDdg |
| 12:48.03 | Wormy_ | but fascinating |
| 12:48.33 | Wormy_ | made me sneeze lol |
| 12:50.16 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/XcH0OcZ |
| 12:51.58 | Technobliterator | AdmiralPanda, just with about 2 flashes before I start attacking |
| 12:52.04 | Technobliterator | and then flashes in between attacks |
| 12:52.23 | AdmiralPanda | then you shouldn't really be having too much of a problem unless you have annoying healers or BLMs |
| 12:52.37 | Technobliterator | Well, I don't until I run out of MP |
| 12:52.54 | AdmiralPanda | oh you only need to flash like every three combos or so even if you have an arsehole of a BLM |
| 12:53.02 | Technobliterator | ahh |
| 12:53.34 | AdmiralPanda | yeah spam flashing will drain your mana pool really fast |
| 12:55.33 | Wormy_ | drom http://imgur.com/gallery/LrXM539 |
| 12:56.14 | Wormy_ | I would be afraid http://imgur.com/gallery/JrBNHcT |
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| 13:05.45 | Monet | Hello |
| 13:06.06 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:11.31 | Wormy_ | hur http://imgur.com/gallery/wNX6jkY |
| 13:13.27 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/mFvl8Yy.png |
| 13:14.07 | Wormy_ | http://i.imgur.com/jXXSp7w.png |
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| 13:31.31 | Monet | Hello |
| 13:38.22 | Monet | Seems quiet for a Saturday |
| 13:41.59 | Wormy_ | Hey Monet remember this place http://www.fractalscapes.net/IndieGames/members.html |
| 13:42.06 | Wormy_ | it remembers you |
| 13:42.35 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.14 | Wormy_ | well drom and me |
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| 13:43.29 | Ghelae | .olleH |
| 13:43.33 | Wormy_ | oh you |
| 13:43.33 | ohX | iH |
| 13:44.34 | ohX | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11147199_875823015838516_1471651543342671382_n.jpg?oh=1cd39fb3dc33eb2471ff43cb5be403df&oe=55CD38CE |
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| 13:45.44 | Wormy_ | I feel bad now |
| 13:45.45 | ohX | u |
| 13:46.07 | OluapPlayer | y u backwards |
| 13:46.34 | ohX | cuz |
| 13:46.38 | ohX | I dunno actually |
| 13:46.57 | ohX | Couldn't be bothered with the whole password ordeal |
| 13:47.35 | Monet | Wormy_: Nice. |
| 13:48.18 | Monet | I htink I might actually mention android populations on the DI's inhabitants section |
| 13:49.20 | Monet | Movies about killer robots and AIs probably took a big hit once those that could pass the turing test started becoming more and more common in Imperial society. |
| 13:58.59 | Monet | Or moviemakers tke the HAL approach: Make the AI affectual but keep their behaviour so they appear as though they have nothing personal of the horrors they are committing. |
| 13:59.04 | Monet | could take* |
| 14:00.37 | Monet | HAL's the granddaddy of the evil AI trope but not one of his kills is made out of contempt for the people he kills (like Skynet or Ultron do). To him it's nothing personal or even related to the human condition. He was simply following a mistaken command. |
| 14:00.42 | Monet | And acting out of self-defence |
| 14:15.02 | Ghelae | I think the prototype tech tree at http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Technology_tree is okay for use now. |
| 14:20.19 | Monet | Nice |
| 14:22.06 | Monet | "Transbiological technology"? I am intrigued |
| 14:23.39 | Ghelae | That basically means the kinds of advanced nanotech that blurs the boundaries between biological and non-biological |
| 14:25.43 | Monet | So like what the Theians have. I see. |
| 14:26.05 | Monet | And i guess Morphis might count to some extent. |
| 14:26.40 | ohX | agents everywhere |
| 14:29.08 | OluapPlayer | dats bad |
| 14:31.42 | Monet | ohX: Yeah MOrphis is something available to the general populace these days |
| 14:32.05 | Monet | It's probably harder to find someone in the DI who isn't enhanced. |
| 14:32.11 | Monet | in some fashion |
| 14:44.59 | Monet | Actually there's a good question: If everyone in a society is "enhanced" in some fashion, wouldn't that mean that someone with typical examples of such enhancements could still qualify for badass normal? |
| 14:46.13 | ohX | Guess not |
| 14:46.46 | Monet | Well when you consider ,imagine if "ordinary" is having bionically enhanced eyes |
| 14:48.19 | Monet | In some respects, a 21st century Brit has some distinct advantages over say an ancient Roman that might qualify them as enhanced. |
| 14:49.37 | Monet | Double the lifespan or extra height, or better bodies though nutrition for instance, could be considered "enhanced" by Ancient ROman standards. |
| 14:51.45 | ohX | Probably |
| 14:52.11 | ohX | Being taller than everyone else was considered a little weird in Roman times |
| 14:52.59 | ohX | Usually more associated with barbarianism |
| 14:53.14 | ohX | I don't think that's a word but still |
| 14:54.43 | Monet | I've seen writings by ROman scholars that make Boudicca seem more like a demon than a warrior woman |
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| 15:09.47 | Impy_Semi | French for "relative" is apparently "parent" |
| 15:09.53 | Impy_Semi | Fuck logic |
| 15:10.39 | Monet | lol |
| 15:15.07 | Monet | http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/f814fde23b/the-avengers-request-to-remove-clint-hawkeye-barton Poor Clint |
| 15:16.52 | Monet | Though this does kind-of explain the whole "am I really needed?" talk with his girlfriend in Age of Ultron. |
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| 15:21.10 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:21.18 | Monet | hello |
| 15:21.27 | dino82_ | hellow :D |
| 15:21.41 | Cyrannian | Hello dino! |
| 15:22.28 | dino82_ | hello Cyrannian! |
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| 15:25.13 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 15:25.18 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:25.22 | dino82_ | hi! |
| 15:26.22 | Monet | hello |
| 15:37.28 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Top_10_list:May_2015:_Featured_Creature_Poll - Could someone break this tie? |
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| 15:38.18 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 15:38.30 | The_Randomness | Done with finals for this semester :D |
| 15:38.34 | Cyrannian | hai Random |
| 15:39.59 | Cyrannian | Rightio, so the featured articles are: |
| 15:40.02 | Cyrannian | The Tree of Life, by Ghelae |
| 15:40.14 | Cyrannian | Chinawkya, by dino82_ |
| 15:40.23 | Cyrannian | Gridlock, by Zillafire |
| 15:40.43 | Cyrannian | Freeland City States, by TheImperios |
| 15:41.28 | Cyrannian | Congratulations and all that malarkey! |
| 15:42.10 | dino82_ | Oh now that is an honor! Thanks guys! |
| 15:42.27 | The_Randomness | *applause* |
| 15:43.20 | The_Randomness | I'll be back later, bye guys |
| 15:43.28 | Cyrannian | I shall announce this on the tweet machine |
| 15:43.48 | Wormy_ | Well done *claps wildly until his fingers disintegrate" |
| 15:49.36 | Wormy_ | I wonder who would win S.H.I.E.L.D or UNIT |
| 15:50.01 | Wormy_ | Keep in mind UNIT are eqiupped to fight advanced alien foes. |
| 15:50.45 | Monet | That's a good question actually. |
| 15:51.15 | Monet | Aside from SHIELD having operatives like Captain America, they seem pretty evenly-matched. |
| 15:51.47 | Cyrannian | Agents of SHIELD is my favourite TV show at the minute |
| 15:53.06 | Wormy_ | UNIT might have regular humans but lots of alien tech. |
| 15:53.23 | Wormy_ | Though it appears they have mistaken some guns for alien hair dryers |
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| 15:54.24 | GD12 | hai |
| 15:54.24 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:54.52 | Monet | Hello |
| 15:55.01 | Wormy_ | Most of the debate forums side with UNIT, unless its comic-verse SHIELD |
| 15:55.09 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
| 15:55.42 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:56.31 | dino82_ | shield is great, anyone seen the new Avangers yet |
| 15:56.34 | dino82_ | ? |
| 15:57.07 | Cyrannian | Indeed, I really enjoyed it |
| 15:57.34 | Monet | I think Clint really shone in this film. |
| 15:57.34 | Xho | It was alright |
| 15:57.51 | Xho | I liked it more when I first saw it though looking back at it it was only alright |
| 15:58.09 | GD12 | Avengers 2 was gr8 |
| 15:58.20 | GD12 | Disney knows what its doing with the MCU |
| 15:58.20 | Monet | Hawkeye spent much of the last film being mind-controlled so it was fun to see him being him |
| 15:58.45 | Monet | GD12: Yeah, DC have a high bar to jump over. |
| 16:00.02 | GD12 | What I like about Avengers is that it keeps the idealism of a superhero movie, as opposed to the DC stuff {referring to man of steel and teaser for batman v superman} which I think is needlessly edgy |
| 16:00.05 | Cyrannian | Admittedly one of my favourite parts of the movie-going experience was seeing the Star Wars and Jurassic World trailer on the big screen |
| 16:00.50 | GD12 | Superman being a force of good and batman not trying to make superman bleed are probably just things I remember from my childhood on justice league lol |
| 16:01.31 | Monet | GD12: True. AoU had its dark moments, certainly, but even those are sprinked with humour |
| 16:02.25 | Monet | Ulysses Klaw was i nthere only for a few minutes but he was very good |
| 16:02.51 | GD12 | aye |
| 16:03.05 | GD12 | Yeah - what I was referring too was that Man of Steel and Batman v Superman seem needlessly dark for origin stories |
| 16:03.12 | Monet | Admittedly, one of my favourite lines is near the beginning: "They're breaching our defences" "Find a way to stop them" "They're the Avengers!" |
| 16:03.15 | GD12 | or superhero stories for that matter |
| 16:03.17 | GD12 | aye |
| 16:03.21 | GD12 | I think it reflects in sales as well |
| 16:04.28 | GD12 | Also iirc Green Latern wasn't that good a movie |
| 16:04.41 | Monet | Or Stark - Okay let's jsut settle down and talk things out *Iron Man stuns everyone* It was a good talk Thug - No it wasn't |
| 16:05.05 | GD12 | Aye many many funny lines |
| 16:05.12 | GD12 | Stark - We're both mad geniuses |
| 16:05.30 | GD12 | When hes convincing banner to upload JARVIS to the Vibranium body |
| 16:06.46 | dino82_ | yeah the movie was awesome and full of surprises, anyone watched the secret ending with the Gauntlet? |
| 16:07.06 | Monet | Yes! |
| 16:07.08 | Monet | YES! |
| 16:07.10 | Monet | Yes! |
| 16:07.14 | Monet | Thanos! |
| 16:07.19 | GD12 | aye |
| 16:07.23 | Monet | Infinity Gauntlet! |
| 16:07.25 | Monet | aioufgsadbfoiasdf |
| 16:07.33 | GD12 | Thanos seem really badass |
| 16:08.01 | Wormy_ | GD12: Did you see Interstellar? |
| 16:08.14 | Monet | The finale of this arc is going ot be impressive. |
| 16:09.10 | GD12 | aye |
| 16:09.16 | GD12 | w/ Matthew Mcconaughey |
| 16:09.23 | GD12 | Infinity War will be incredible |
| 16:09.38 | Monet | Ultron using the internet to operate and keep himself mobile was a smart idea. |
| 16:10.03 | GD12 | I especially liked that |
| 16:10.20 | GD12 | Writers are increasingly tech savvy |
| 16:10.44 | Monet | Fridge horror as to where he got all that money from |
| 16:11.56 | Xho | da interwebs |
| 16:13.20 | Monet | "Your funds have been appropriated for another user. If this distresses you do not worry, you will not need to worry about these lost assets for very long" |
| 16:15.32 | OluapPlayer | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/db/DarkInj_Shu.png/revision/latest?cb=20150516161511 deemun |
| 16:15.51 | GD12 | holy shit that looks intimidating |
| 16:17.07 | Cyrannian | Aye |
| 16:17.50 | *** join/#sporewiki Hachiman (6d92b9ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.146.185.173) |
| 16:17.56 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 16:18.04 | OluapPlayer | fuk off |
| 16:18.10 | OluapPlayer | http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/01/Shu%27ulathoi_Complete.png/revision/latest?cb=20110402193613 big evolution |
| 16:18.12 | Hachiman | ew go away |
| 16:18.25 | Monet | Hello |
| 16:18.41 | dino82_ | yeah Thanos!!!!!!!!!! Let do it himself eh :D |
| 16:18.51 | dino82_ | nice ioluap! |
| 16:19.23 | Cyrannian | hai Hachi |
| 16:20.51 | Hachiman | Yeah I am really liking how intimidating Shu looks now |
| 16:20.58 | Hachiman | Really big evolution |
| 16:21.00 | Hachiman | For you |
| 16:21.51 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Krath - not enuff gold |
| 16:22.00 | Xho | I do like that thoug |
| 16:22.02 | Xho | though |
| 16:30.34 | Impy_Semi | OluapPlayer: Dem eyes |
| 16:36.08 | Impy_Semi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHjG-qYjxNo Hur |
| 16:37.19 | Hachiman | Not watching, involves SJWs |
| 16:38.09 | Impy_Semi | It's the opposite way around if you haven't noticed |
| 16:41.24 | Xho | Well my dad has bought a new car |
| 16:41.29 | Impy_Semi | It's a video that suggests that including a prominent female character in a movie is feminist propaganda |
| 16:41.48 | Xho | Monet: My dad has bought a 2007 BMW 335i convertible |
| 16:42.17 | Xho | Oh wait everyone's here |
| 16:42.23 | Xho | ANGRY MOON AT THE SPEED OF SOMETHING |
| 16:42.25 | Monet | You got your convertible |
| 16:42.31 | Xho | No that's his new car |
| 16:42.49 | Monet | Will he let you drive it? |
| 16:42.53 | Xho | God no |
| 16:42.57 | Monet | Ah |
| 16:43.04 | Monet | Then I withdraw my statement |
| 16:43.45 | Xho | OluapPlayer Hachiman Impy_Semi: https://titanpad.com/QNbnqfZlh3 hwah |
| 16:44.00 | OluapPlayer | feh |
| 16:44.07 | Xho | hwahfeh |
| 16:44.26 | OluapPlayer | FEH |
| 16:51.16 | Xho | HWAH |
| 16:54.49 | Impy_Semi | Xho OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBaSfgNJnE |
| 16:56.55 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:11.46 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho_ (5164f74b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.100.247.75) |
| 17:15.15 | dino82_ | back |
| 17:24.32 | Comrade_Vinny | Hey Dino! |
| 17:28.27 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10801968_714492241993179_1282127637215550086_n.jpg?oh=638b10ffa8b9b02e676363b8282b17a9&oe=560CB629&__gda__=1438853777_7920e89ae0cc5b64cc99016357dc4829 |
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| 17:37.52 | Monet | hELLO |
| 17:38.14 | Charles_Murray | Hey! |
| 17:40.04 | Impy_Semi | Hi |
| 17:42.10 | OluapPlayer | Fucking goddamn Titanpad |
| 17:42.17 | Xho_ | Titanwank |
| 17:48.34 | Wormy_ | "dat bib did nothing" http://imgur.com/gallery/eIGomYk |
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| 17:48.56 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o The_Randomness] by ChanServ |
| 17:49.07 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 17:49.48 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/HCYBL8e |
| 17:49.58 | Wormy_ | dog - giant stick |
| 17:50.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:51.02 | OluapPlayer | aaaaaaa |
| 17:51.35 | Xho_ | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/832/800/233.jpg My reaction to titanpad |
| 17:52.01 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:52.43 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/YInrX8l |
| 17:53.08 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/MJZyw |
| 17:54.37 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/u8i4nmR |
| 17:55.14 | Wormy_ | fairie warning |
| 17:58.27 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/dj6Q6YN |
| 18:36.28 | drom | I'm back |
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| 18:41.39 | Wormy_ | ugh I'm really struggling with three.js |
| 18:42.08 | Xho_ | Three whats |
| 18:42.12 | Wormy_ | I've got it working on my webpage, but I don't how to put it neatly in my div class |
| 18:42.25 | Wormy_ | 3D web graphics |
| 18:43.17 | Wormy_ | Xho_ da futur http://stars.chromeexperiments.com/ |
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| 19:01.34 | Xho_ | asdsfghjhkj |
| 19:02.11 | OluapPlayer | titanded |
| 19:02.15 | Xho_ | CUNT |
| 19:04.08 | Xho_ | That's how Caligaduro will end Koldenwelt |
| 19:04.17 | Xho_ | He gives Isiris a 502 Bad Gateway |
| 19:05.21 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 19:11.08 | drom | Wormy_: Ain't it supposed to be a <canvas>? |
| 19:11.26 | *** join/#sporewiki OpelSpeedster (bf208bbd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.191.32.139.189) |
| 19:11.50 | OpelSpeedster | Um, hello; I have edited a previous fiction page for an empire, and I'm curious to see if it's good or badly written/overpowered |
| 19:11.54 | OpelSpeedster | Could someone give it a check? |
| 19:13.35 | Ghel | Seems fine to me. |
| 19:13.59 | drom | So this is a cricket spider: http://i.imgur.com/7ZHMRiY.jpg |
| 19:14.20 | Ghel | Although as a minor point, "jump drive" and "warp drive" are terms often used on the wiki to refer to very different forms of FTL travel. |
| 19:14.47 | OpelSpeedster | Ghel: Yes, the Jump Drive I'm referring to is *not* a warp drive |
| 19:15.13 | OpelSpeedster | Ghel: It is actually an artificial way of simulating a wormhole, but it's very hard and expensive to build, and uses a lot of energy |
| 19:15.41 | Ghel | That's basically what "jump drive" means elsewhere, so that's fine. |
| 19:15.47 | OpelSpeedster | Ah, okay. |
| 19:15.58 | OpelSpeedster | It involves beacons and such, yes? |
| 19:16.16 | OpelSpeedster | The Jump Drive I'm imagining involves placing a beacon, and you have to use a proper jump drive to leap to such beacons |
| 19:16.58 | Xho_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Wrath_of_Night#The_Crown_of_the_Deep_Father WHHHRRRGGLL |
| 19:16.59 | drom | Wormy_ Monet: http://i.imgur.com/mFvl8Yy.png |
| 19:17.12 | Wormy_ | Saw that lol |
| 19:17.14 | Ghel | That would be something transitional between fixed wormholes and a full-blown jump drive. |
| 19:18.03 | Monet | oh dere |
| 19:18.10 | OpelSpeedster | Oh, alright |
| 19:19.15 | OpelSpeedster | Ghel: I was especifically afraid of having broken the rules regarding the Friendship Sector thing, in which I had the Surivorters destroy a scouter probe and take over the remains of the colonies without contacting its author :/ |
| 19:19.30 | OpelSpeedster | But since it did not involve conquering them or allying with them, I still went foward with it |
| 19:21.56 | Ghel | Ah. I didn't know that part was done without author permission. It does seem minor enough that I don't think you need to instantly remove it, but if the creator of the Surivorters returns to the wiki and complains then of course it should be changed. |
| 19:22.26 | OpelSpeedster | Mm, understood. |
| 19:23.13 | OpelSpeedster | What about their expansion around the Milky Way? Is that big/fast enough to be overpowered, needs some rebalancing, or is fine? |
| 19:25.12 | Ghel | I don't see anything wrong with it, although depending on how many systems they've colonised (I can't see any numbers for it) doing it in 60 years from developing interstellar travel might stretch willing suspension of disbelief. |
| 19:25.53 | Ghel | The Delta Sector is also slightly out-of-date in that the Jovar Socialist Republic has long since been destroyed, and the Human Republic has been retconned: currently there's mainly the Allied Terran Republic and the Human Superstate. |
| 19:26.14 | OpelSpeedster | Oh. I was using information from the Milky Way page, so I guess that needs updating too. |
| 19:26.25 | OpelSpeedster | Alright, going to fix that. |
| 19:26.47 | Ghel | I can imagine that page hasn't been properly updated in years. |
| 19:28.34 | OpelSpeedster | Okay, thanks for the help Ghel, see you later |
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| 19:36.46 | dinoman9877 | I have arrived! |
| 19:40.04 | dinoman9877 | Jeez, tough crowd. |
| 19:41.29 | Impy_Semi | Xho_: About Wrath of Bees, I have some basic plans but nothing concrete yet |
| 19:41.39 | Xho_ | rite |
| 19:42.27 | OluapPlayer | Xho_: https://41.media.tumblr.com/7509c8b34cf74d58a82f365b323c6456/tumblr_noek1fUvnJ1qh66wqo8_1280.jpg "Khajiit is selling these fine carpets from Cyrodill." |
| 19:42.36 | Xho_ | aww |
| 19:42.45 | drom | Xho: http://imgur.com/gallery/ytyrsl0 |
| 19:42.53 | Xho_ | more aww |
| 19:43.23 | OluapPlayer | Cat's like "nnnnNNNNNNNNNNNGH" |
| 19:43.34 | dinoman9877 | CHEESE! NOT THE CHEESE!!! |
| 19:44.19 | dinoman9877 | I love how as soon as I make a comment, people seem to just leave. ;-; |
| 19:44.34 | drom | Cyrannian: http://imgur.com/gallery/A2ULBxS |
| 19:45.13 | Xho_ | Maul's face |
| 19:46.39 | Xho_ | What's that even from |
| 19:47.09 | OluapPlayer | Xho_: http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/548643366180156394/191EAC7BB9700C2E015181A23AA18B7CD4C1F8E7/ |
| 19:47.24 | Xho_ | aye |
| 19:47.55 | drom | true story |
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| 19:54.04 | Wormy_ | I am having a purple sunset again |
| 19:54.11 | Wormy_ | what does dis mean |
| 19:55.15 | drom | We do usually have a rainbow-colored sunset here where I live. |
| 19:55.18 | Comrade_Vinny | Last week we had a full blood moon here, Such epicness |
| 19:55.42 | drom | Much beauty during summers and winters. |
| 19:56.10 | dinoman9877 | I saw a Double Rainbow yesterday. :3 |
| 19:56.30 | drom | Me when eating grevé (swedish fat emmental) cheese http://i.imgur.com/0t4Ktxl.webm |
| 19:56.54 | dinoman9877 | You turn into a spider and burrow into it? |
| 20:00.25 | Impy_Semi | Hachiman: BTW What do you think of the Second War of Black Fog sections that I added yesterday? |
| 20:01.10 | Impy_Semi | OluapPlayer: http://41.media.tumblr.com/7549dfde17b8ca8beb443b57d40676f6/tumblr_moqqdr2Myl1rqohcso1_1280.png |
| 20:01.22 | drom | Wormy_: Seen? http://i.imgur.com/nkFpsRd.jpg |
| 20:01.25 | OluapPlayer | olol |
| 20:01.30 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is having dinner atm |
| 20:02.50 | OluapPlayer | http://i.imgur.com/Qz5b1PQ.jpg |
| 20:03.42 | Impy_Semi | http://cs323716.vk.me/v323716311/8064/tAzs9Qr_3pc.jpg "Skyrim for Nords" |
| 20:04.01 | Wormy_ | nope for crazy |
| 20:04.27 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 20:05.18 | Impy_Semi | http://hugelolcdn.com/i/278247.gif ...What is this |
| 20:05.48 | OluapPlayer | That's a man meeting his Artharon soulmate |
| 20:06.00 | OluapPlayer | Xho_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-XMtNEudQ |
| 20:06.22 | Xho_ | no dear god no |
| 20:06.56 | OluapPlayer | AWWWWRRRREEEEEHH |
| 20:07.02 | *** join/#sporewiki Aeondroid (~androirc@173-19-103-199.client.mchsi.com) |
| 20:08.38 | Xho_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rXsrZRchQ This is even worse |
| 20:09.22 | OluapPlayer | Oh god I remember gifs of that |
| 20:09.28 | OluapPlayer | So many pterosaur thingies |
| 20:10.14 | Xho_ | Cliff Racers = The most annoying thing in Morrowind |
| 20:10.26 | OluapPlayer | "the true morrowind experience" |
| 20:11.20 | Xho_ | Pretty much |
| 20:11.22 | drom | Monet Jepardi: http://i.imgur.com/9jZ2F5u.gif |
| 20:11.35 | drom | Oh god |
| 20:11.37 | drom | "An inbread?" |
| 20:11.53 | OluapPlayer | Cliff Racer -> it doesn't race cliffs |
| 20:12.19 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11266242_1253669167995867_2138063138126031559_n.jpg?oh=b3312616cf5903cd59340fc4cff758df&oe=55FFF9D6 |
| 20:12.23 | Xho_ | Santorakh to Volim |
| 20:12.40 | OluapPlayer | Volim - good luck i dont have that |
| 20:13.25 | Xho_ | I mean drom's gif |
| 20:15.59 | drom | Xho_: http://i.imgur.com/SfAk9Ky.gif |
| 20:16.07 | *** join/#sporewiki ImpyDroid (~imperios@95.140.92.125) |
| 20:16.16 | Xho_ | geezush |
| 20:17.00 | Comrade_Vinny | drom: http://philomenamagikz.net/file/pic/photo/2015/04/d52956d615b49ac48c44782ed273e9da_1024.jpg |
| 20:17.08 | drom | Me when #sporewiki gets into erotic RP http://i.imgur.com/hDUy1e7.png |
| 20:17.55 | ImpyDroid | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5r4qoQ8FsV-LVhKTFQ2VGpIY1E/edit?usp=docslist_api |
| 20:18.31 | drom | ImpyDroid: geezuh |
| 20:19.46 | drom | ImpyDroid Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/VWsusQ6.png |
| 20:20.00 | ImpyDroid | I approve |
| 20:20.53 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/FzcyQZj.png |
| 20:31.42 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Right_Behind_You#Epilogue - Check this out, the end of Right Behind You |
| 20:32.12 | *** topic/#sporewiki by Cyrannian -> SporeWiki! http://spore.wikia.com || Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/ || Collaborative Universes: Sci-Fi http://tinyurl.com/3ddvp7q Fantasy http://tinyurl.com/p9qau7l || Roleplay subchannels: #sporewiki-rp1 and #sporewiki-rp2 || Titanpad: https://titanpad.com/ |
| 20:32.49 | dino82_ | Thanks cyrannian for helping me create this story! Was great to do :D |
| 20:33.04 | Cyrannian | Indeed, it was fun! |
| 20:33.21 | dino82_ | :D |
| 20:40.21 | drom | Charles_Murray: should we start doing the war now or what? |
| 20:40.28 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@24.114.52.77) |
| 20:40.35 | Charles_Murray | Drom : Your call! |
| 20:41.23 | TekBirthday | Hello |
| 20:41.30 | drom | Happy birthday! |
| 20:41.39 | Charles_Murray | Happy birthday! :D |
| 20:41.45 | ImpyDroid | Burfday |
| 20:42.11 | Wormy_ | happy barfday |
| 20:42.27 | drom | calling dibs on barkday |
| 20:42.54 | TekBirthday | lol |
| 20:44.40 | dino82_ | happy birthday! |
| 20:47.12 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/AEG8qFm.png |
| 20:48.24 | Aeondroid | Happy birthday |
| 20:52.48 | drom | Cats in a nutshell http://i.imgur.com/uG0yh.gif |
| 20:54.23 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Can you come to Katar? |
| 20:55.18 | *** join/#sporewiki Jepardi (b24b970e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.75.151.14) |
| 20:55.22 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 20:59.37 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6e/VoroClairegoodbye.png/revision/latest?cb=20150516205826 - image by Dino, does anyone else ship it? |
| 21:00.32 | ImpyDroid | How would they kiss |
| 21:00.38 | ImpyDroid | Let's start with that |
| 21:01.32 | Xho_ | Have you not seen hentai |
| 21:01.36 | Xho_ | Not saying that I have |
| 21:02.45 | Wormy_ | Brings me back to that pukeworthy romance story. |
| 21:03.17 | dino82_ | Jsut read thestory, it will just stay witha kiss on the fore head :P |
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| 21:04.50 | Cyrannian | It's platonic too |
| 21:04.57 | Wormy_ | Btw, Xho's comment about hentai did. I meant nothing pukeworthy about your screenshot. |
| 21:05.54 | dino82_ | oh ok haha |
| 21:17.45 | TekDroid | What's extremely depressing about my new job is that even though I'll be working full time for above minimum wage, that won't even cover a single term of tuition alone. |
| 21:24.48 | TekDroid | I find this bottle of water amusing. It prides itself on being "pH9+" |
| 21:26.53 | Monet | So slightly alkaline? |
| 21:27.16 | Monet | Isn't pH9 bicarbonate of soda? |
| 21:29.19 | TekDroid | Well it means this water is apparently basic. |
| 21:29.44 | Ghel | Maybe you ought to drink some different water instead. |
| 21:30.54 | Monet | I remember buying a bottle of water in New York that boasted at how because it was rain-sourced it was much cleaner and healthier than mineral or river water. |
| 21:31.27 | TekDroid | My mom packed it. Didn't drink it until now, and it tastes kinda odd actually |
| 21:31.56 | Monet | It's slightly alkaline so I can imagine. |
| 21:36.06 | TekDroid | https://i.imgur.com/n9DIinc.jpg At least they got the fact pH is an exponential scale right. XD |
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| 21:38.19 | Primius | ey ppl |
| 21:38.38 | Wormy_ | Hi |
| 21:39.57 | Monet | They still sell water that proomises to give you electrolytes? |
| 21:40.05 | TekDroid | Yep. |
| 21:40.19 | Wormy_ | I hasve drunk water coming out of cave systems, now that is fresh. |
| 21:41.12 | Wormy_ | Dovedale :3 https://misshlight.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/dscf2718.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/user/btraffordphotos/media/Leek/Dovedale.jpg.html?t=1246088798 http://providerfiles2.thedms.co.uk/eandapics/DS/6075290_1.jpg |
| 21:42.48 | Wormy_ | got losts of caves http://www.peakdistrictinformation.com/images/dovereynard.jpg |
| 21:43.08 | Wormy_ | If there was a nuclear strike, I'd head there |
| 21:43.17 | Wormy_ | filtered water |
| 21:43.50 | Wormy_ | Then again, radioactive particles could blow in I guess, and the local farmers would have guns and might have already taken them |
| 21:47.11 | dino82_ | bye bye all |
| 21:47.13 | dino82_ | till net time |
| 21:47.15 | *** part/#sporewiki dino82_ (52b0ddef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.221.239) |
| 21:47.17 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 21:47.27 | TekDroid | byr |
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| 21:51.51 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 21:53.26 | Primius | ey quark |
| 21:53.53 | Primius | vinny |
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| 22:13.40 | Wormy_ | Monet: A shard of evil sent from hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z14SlZ1i7rc |
| 22:14.38 | Aeondroid | Test |
| 22:20.20 | drom | Well. That escalated very quickly |
| 22:20.38 | Monet | Wormy_: Sad part is I think I remember this... thing. |
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| 22:24.38 | Wormy_ | Monet: And now its brought it all back. |
| 22:26.21 | Wormy_ | I like how at 023: Jar Jar intensifies |
| 22:40.30 | Comrade_Vinny | TekDroid: I looked at the water bottle pict |
| 22:40.59 | Comrade_Vinny | They also wrote down Milk as an ACID liquid rather then Basic, like the public likes to think |
| 22:41.14 | Comrade_Vinny | BEcause yes, milk is ACID! |
| 22:41.31 | Comrade_Vinny | *acidic |
| 22:42.43 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Erde#Inhabitants - take a look |
| 22:43.09 | drom | I drink drink a lots of milk, coffee and vitamin drinks and I do love food with sour/acidic taste. |
| 22:43.23 | drom | I specially pour extra salt on my food. |
| 22:45.25 | Cyrannian | http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6c/Lindariel.png/revision/latest?cb=20150516224449 - Also new look for Lindariel |
| 22:45.45 | Wormy_ | Ooh Unicorn raptors |
| 22:46.27 | Comrade_Vinny | Drom: Salt is life! |
| 22:46.44 | Comrade_Vinny | Imagine a world without salt to flavour the food... |
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| 22:47.30 | drom | Fun fact: It is mandotary to boil food using water with salt. |
| 22:47.58 | drom | Without the salt, it would just ruin the food. |
| 22:47.59 | Wormy_ | Well, I put in a little salt in pasta and rice |
| 22:48.13 | OluapPlayer | I like the look of the GorthúronGorthúron |
| 22:48.21 | OluapPlayer | GORRRRRTHUUUURROOOON |
| 22:48.40 | Wormy_ | Otherwise I only salt potatoes and occasionally soups/stews |
| 22:50.56 | OluapPlayer | And oh god Voro and Claire |
| 22:51.05 | OluapPlayer | This is Maryah + Kez level of weird |
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| 22:52.06 | Comrade_Vinny | Hey Quark! |
| 22:52.09 | Quark8 | Hey |
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| 23:00.51 | GD12 | Hello everyone |
| 23:00.53 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:00.56 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 23:02.28 | GD12 | Dinner with family -> Have time to work on AD |
| 23:02.37 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: They are just friends, a kiss from Voro would probably result in severe facial disfigurement |
| 23:13.19 | Hachiman | In that case no kissing while in bed together |
| 23:14.38 | Cyrannian | Not unless you're into stuff that leads to facial disfigurement |
| 23:15.10 | drom | Body horror |
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| 23:16.32 | Hachiman | I cannot imagine oral would go well for either of them |
| 23:16.34 | Hachiman | Hai Aeo |
| 23:16.42 | Aeo | hi |
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| 23:17.11 | drom | Talk about a man-cave. http://puu.sh/hPHzn/b37b7e7a09.jpg |
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| 23:17.56 | Cyrannian | hai liquid |
| 23:20.41 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 23:22.50 | Comrade_Vinny | drom: I prefer this cave http://www.mancaveconsignments.com/man_cave_05_op_800x532.jpg |
| 23:23.19 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 23:23.40 | drom | Tek0516: gib github name, in pm |
| 23:23.54 | Tek0516 | I'm not at my PC. |
| 23:24.19 | Tek0516 | And most of my stuff is under some account the desktop app created. O.o |
| 23:38.47 | Comrade_Vinny | test |
| 23:38.55 | Cyrannian | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/01/Malinorend%C3%B3rEvul.png/revision/latest?cb=20150516233846 - hai |
| 23:40.55 | Wormy_STO | sweet dreams tonight |
| 23:42.55 | Tek0516 | Comrade_Vinny: Executed for your failures. |
| 23:44.40 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 23:44.40 | infobot | i heard test is not funny |
| 23:53.20 | Comrade_Vinny | No! |
| 23:53.25 | Comrade_Vinny | I don't want to die! |
| 23:53.53 | Comrade_Vinny | I'm too young, beautiful and brilliant for that! |
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| 23:59.05 | Cyrannian | Liquid_Ink: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7d/AnteddyundAdolf.png/revision/latest?cb=20120625010148 - Fond memories |
| 23:59.24 | Liquid_Ink | Yeah |
| 23:59.49 | Liquid_Ink | I wanted to make another one with him in a staff car with Hitler and Mussolini, but I'm not that good at photoshop. |
