IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150502

00:00.41ExternalMonet: I was talking about this: http://imgur.com/gallery/JMdZG and I agree with you there.\
00:01.17MonetThe stuff that stays still is hardly ever given full shading, I remember after the stegosaurus in Fantasia fell over, it had this gorgeous fully-shaded body and a cel-shaded neck and head.
00:03.46Hachiman"We were excited to try out the minibar. As it turns out it only sells lubricant and panties :("
00:03.55HachimanBit upsetting
00:04.12MonetA lesson I learned from my folks: Never use the minibar.
00:04.15ExternalIsn't it?
00:04.26External"FREE BEER...oh fuck...."
00:04.31MonetYeah
00:04.37Externaldrom monet: http://store.steampowered.com/app/282210/
00:04.40ExternalHave fun.
00:04.45MonetFree beer, the price of which is added to your hotel bill
00:05.14ExternalMonet: "WWhere the hell did this extra 50$ come from?
00:07.12dromSo, this is how they apply camouflage on helmets. http://i.imgur.com/kbvDqVs.gif
00:07.31MonetNot a bad trick
00:08.38dromExternal: Played that game, very weak impressions.
00:09.41Externaldrom: Hm, it does cost 15$ ever since it released 2 months ago...
00:11.12Externaldrom: Owow, look at the comments.
00:11.23ExternalNearly all the reviews are bad.
00:11.49dromUnfortunately, it is.
00:12.18ExternalShouldn't buy then.
00:12.25ExternalI swear
00:12.36ExternalThe gaming market is slowly losing its quality.
00:13.25The_Randomnessugh
00:13.29The_Randomnessnot this again
00:13.49MonetYes let's not go down this road again
00:13.49The_Randomness"ayy lmao, anyone remember how good all of the games were back in the day?"
00:14.34ExternalI won't make a big deal of it like last time, I just believe so.
00:14.36dromWormy_STO: http://i.imgur.com/3Cstjdy.jpg
00:14.36The_RandomnessThere will always be bad games, problem is you only remember the spectacularly bad or good ones.
00:14.49Hachimaninb4 daikatana and E.T.
00:14.50The_Randomnessshots fired
00:15.18ExternalHachiman: Especially E.T. I loved that game.
00:15.22ExternalSo much, really.
00:15.41Wormy_STOthey sure are
00:15.51ExternalThat I encased it in concrete after stomping on it
00:17.48ExternalAn Assyrian spy name in Civ 5 is "Pazuzu".
00:18.53Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11179943_1097598063589237_6180336403970775230_n.jpg?oh=88c94d7452ac64fa888c853336f7bd2e&oe=55D9AB5A
00:19.33ExternalHachiman: I laughed at that more than I should've.
00:22.37dromWormy_STO: http://imgur.com/gallery/rY1FM
00:23.06Wormy_STOlol
00:25.05Externaldrom: Someone likes dogs/
00:26.43Monet"Last time I trusted you I woke up without my balls" Aww....
00:29.13Monethttp://i.imgur.com/bRU49qg.jpg
00:29.29dromPretty conviencent enough to think that sharks are cute. Except for the Great Whites, Whale and Goblin sharks.
00:30.26MonetI always find dogs' reaction to the mailman intrigiung
00:30.49MonetAs I understand it it's basically "hey you, strange person! THis is my territory...can we be friends?"
00:33.07ExternalWhere I walk home, a small puppy hybrid guards the fence of a neighbors house, and it is so fun to trick the guy.
00:33.16dromThen it becomes something of the lines "Traitor!", "Why did you leave me? WHY?!" and "Come back! I'm not done with you!"
00:35.06MonetI recall a similar dog that barked at me whenever it saw me from behind the fence it was kept behind, I was always told it was merely trying ot say hello
00:35.07ExternalYeah. I run one way and trick the puppy into running over a small flight of stairs, around a shed, and to the other side of the fence.
00:35.37ExternalThen when he sees me walking the other way and tries to go back, I run the right way and by the time he notices, I'm gone.
00:36.59Monethttp://i.imgur.com/ko57gqC.jpg that cat is like "SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTT"
00:38.39ExternalMonet: Imagine a kitten
00:38.59ExternalThen imagine it being chased by several bloodthirsty wolves of death
00:39.18Externaland you get something similar to this: http://i.imgur.com/ko57gqC.jpg
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00:42.29Wormy_STOdrom, Monet, The_Randomness:  Well this happened http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lol.png
00:42.30dromMonet TekDroid Wormy_STO: http://i.imgur.com/cPsmCh5.jpg
00:42.45ExternalWormy_STO: Remember Vegan Revolution? That thing is following me on Twitter. I feel werid..help...me...nao....please....
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00:43.03Zillafire101Hello all.
00:43.10Technobliteratorhi
00:43.19Wormy_STOWhy is he following you hur
00:43.20ExternalHello Zilla
00:43.20HachimanHello Zilla
00:43.27ExternalI DON'T KNOW WORMY
00:43.33ExternalIT'S WEIRD
00:43.57ExternalWhoever doesn't know who VR is, look at this: https://twitter.com/VeganRevoIution/status/594294277645201408
00:43.59dromAwh man, it's 02:40 am
00:44.10Wormy_STODid you post a comment or favourite or retweet anything?
00:44.18Wormy_STOBecause he's notice you then
00:45.13ExternalI didn't retweet or commented on him/her/it. Must've been on a comment he/she/it commented on.
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00:49.14ExternalWormy_STO: How strong of a graphics card do you need for STO?
00:49.53Wormy_STONot very, I was playing on my 2008 computer a couple of years ago.  You might need to play on lower settings tough
00:50.25Technobliteratoroh, Hachiman, did you sort anything out with regards to FFXIV?
00:50.36HachimanAh yes
00:50.47HachimanI can play it rather smoothly
00:50.52Technobliteratoroooh sweet
00:51.22HachimanI play on Cactuar with Panda since he is helping me get adjusted to how the game works
00:52.19Technobliteratorah, neat
00:52.41TechnobliteratorThe story doesn't kick off until about level 15
00:52.57HachimanYeah the story is pretty stagnant
00:53.00Technobliteratorand the VA starts off meh but rapidly improves
00:53.04HachimanFor low-level it is
00:53.13Hachimanthat is even
00:53.24OluapPlayergit bak on da rp
00:53.34TechnobliteratorYou don't get your main cast until you go to the Waking Sands, though
00:54.19ExternalWormy_STO: The problem is that my graphics card is broken and outdated, so I don't want to play anything too high-quality.
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01:03.54DrodoEmpireBack
01:03.55DrodoEmpire:p
01:04.40Wormy_STOExternalizer:  I've found you need a good connection speed too.  Some systems with high graphics can make it hard to accessthe server
01:04.49Wormy_STOhi
01:06.17ExternalAWell, anyways, I'll see if I can download it and see if I can play it well.
01:06.43ExternalBe prepared for a life of bothering on STO.
01:11.58TekDroidI'm about a season or two behind for STO, but with my home internet I probably won't play much.
01:15.08Wormy_STOLatest screenie http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chillaxin_on_the_bridge.png
01:15.29Wormy_STOT'Aloran looks preggie
01:17.24TekDroidKnowing Star Trek, it's possible. :P
01:25.23ExternalWormy_STO: Do I need permission to use Elemental Energy?
01:25.40Wormy_STOnope
01:25.57TekDroidI think elemental was the only one that didn't require permission.
01:26.29Hachiman^
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01:28.46ExternalZilla, is your internet bugging out?
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01:32.53Quark8Hello.
01:34.10ExternalHey.
01:39.54Zillafire101Yes actually
01:43.43Zillafire101test
01:44.08Quark8What year is it in the Fiction Universe?
01:44.39Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Dedication_is_not_Enslavement Wormy_STO DrodoEmpire External This is the Pan-Gigaquadrantic Philosophical Society's first essay.
01:46.39ExternalAeo: I'll find a way to contradict that statement! Nope....nuh-uh...not that...hmm...I'll wait...
01:47.06HachimanQuark8: 2806 I believe
01:47.16Quark8Thanks.
01:47.31ExternalI thought it was 2808
01:47.31DrodoEmpireI'll take a look later perhaps
01:47.43HachimanAlright 2808
01:48.00DrodoEmpireQuark: 2806-2808, but some people are still writing the events of 2802-2804
01:48.42Quark8Okay.
01:49.48ExternalHachiman: Let's compromise with 2806-2808 like Drodo said.
01:50.33DrodoEmpireOkay, gonna try and make a zombie apocalypse mod for EUIV. :p
01:50.37DrodoEmpire'Cuz bored
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01:51.40Externalhowumake mods, DrodoEmpire?
01:51.58HalopediamanI hear
01:52.04HalopediamanSomeone is making mods?
01:52.54DrodoEmpireI'm making a small mod for EUIV.
01:54.16Quark8I remember one of your old blog posts was about Sporewiki empires on EUIV. Was it finished?
01:54.27Quark8As a mod.
01:55.17ExternalDrodoEmpire: How easy is it to make mods? Or is it that you are an expert coder?
01:55.54DrodoEmpireQuark: The data was irretrievably lost.
01:57.21DrodoEmpireNot difficult. It depends on how much time you wanna sink into it and what sort of mod you're making.
01:57.42DrodoEmpireBesides a short primer on mod structure, I'm self-taught. :
01:57.43DrodoEmpire*:p
01:58.43DrodoEmpireThis mod I'm making right now could be pretty challenging, though. It involves rebels and events, two things I've really never worked with
01:59.14ExternalHad this page open for the past 5 hours: https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11179943_1097598063589237_6180336403970775230_n.jpg?oh=88c94d7452ac64fa888c853336f7bd2e&oe=55D9AB5A and I don't know why
02:00.29DrodoEmpireEh its not transferring files correctly. I'll leave it for a bit the.
02:00.32DrodoEmpire*then
02:00.53AeoDrodo: REED MAH THUNG!
02:01.14AeoI would love to see a Drodo philosopher's rebuttal to it.
02:01.38ExternalAeo: Nathierm    u crazy
02:02.39AeoI really did put my all into its argumentation, though. And External, a Nathierm philosopher would be awesome too.
02:02.53DrodoEmpireMaybe later.
02:02.53AeoEven if you just left a comment.
02:03.20DrodoEmpireDon't wanna read and do the philosophy thing because baagh I'm tired
02:03.20ExternalI don't know how to use message templates, sadly. :/
02:06.14ExternalWormy_STO: Would this empire rival your DCPs size? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Rogemori_Neoliberal_Republic
02:06.21AeoExternal: It's explained on the UDB page.
02:07.02AeoWell, there's a link to an explanatino of it.
02:07.28ExternalCould you give me the page link?
02:08.57ExternalIf that guy would've still worked on that empire, I think that emprie can rival the Delpha Coalition of PLanets.
02:09.33Wormy_STOIn Spore yes.  In SporeWikiverse, nope
02:11.41ExternalThis particular empire was created in 2013, so if that creator actively worked on it, they would've been able to be an extremely powerful empire
02:12.21AeoExternal:
02:12.36External?
02:12.54AeoExternal: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg
02:16.07ExternalDo I place it in "talk" or "comments", Aeo?
02:17.35AeoExternal: Comments.
02:19.40ExternalThis is confusing. Technobliterator, can you help?
02:23.28ExternalAeo: Well, I'm not going to add one today, but I probably will tomorrow.
02:28.47AeoAwesome.
02:33.34Wormy_STOhttp://imgur.com/gallery/OHiWmhF
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02:36.28ExternalWormy_STO: That thing scares me...what the hell....
02:36.59Wormy_STOhttp://imgur.com/gallery/uB7jWtc
02:37.29AeoZillafire101 Wormy_STO comment on http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Dedication_is_not_Enslavement
02:37.57Wormy_STOsold out http://www.amazon.com/President-Barack-Exclusive-Action-Lightsaber/dp/B002S7PKQ2
02:38.04Wormy_STOi willl tomorrow
02:38.08Wormy_STOgoing now, bye
02:38.41Zillafire101But I must purge the xeno scum from Kronus!
02:38.54Zillafire101Jk, let me see dis.
02:42.00ExternalThere goes everyone.
02:43.08ExternalI'm bored
02:43.15External~cleanse Aeo
02:43.15infobotCome here, Aeo.  I have an extra-large enema bag with your name on it.
02:52.09Aeo~give me External's Soul
02:52.10infobotACTION gives External's Soul to aeo
02:52.23AeoC:
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02:53.40External~kill infobot
02:53.41infobotACTION shoots a charged neutrino gun at infobot
02:53.45ExternalSucker
02:54.01AeoZillafire101: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Dedication_is_not_Enslavement
02:54.01Externalshoot herself
02:54.11External~shoot herself
02:54.11infobotACTION shoots herself in the foot with a phase pistol!
02:54.13AeoIn case you lost it.
02:54.20Aeo~gender
02:54.20infobotI'm pregnant
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03:02.53External~gender
03:02.53infobotI'm male
03:03.00ExternalMale and pregnant
03:03.05ExternalHow does that happen?
03:04.37AeoHe's trans.
03:07.08TekDroid~gender
03:07.09infobotI'm lesbian
03:07.18TekDroid~gender
03:07.18infobotI'm pregnant
03:07.48TekDroidmale, lesbian and pregnant. O.o
03:08.54TekDroid~gender
03:08.54infobotI'm gay
03:09.00TekDroidO.o
03:09.05TekDroid~gender
03:09.06infobotI'm lesbian
03:09.55AeoTekDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS/Dedication_is_not_Enslavement
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03:19.24ExternalWell, gay and lesbian are the same thing
03:20.01ExternalSo....he is male, lesbian, and pregnant. And he's gay. So how does that gappen? A special hug works ONLY if they are female and male
03:20.08ExternalNOT MALE AND MALE
03:22.47AeoExternal: He is a trans man.
03:22.59ExternalWho can get pregnant
03:23.03ExternalThe wrong way
03:23.13ExternalWTF
03:23.20AeoYes. Trans men can get pregnant, and they get pregnant the right way.
03:23.29AeoDo you know what a trans man is?
03:23.53ExternalI know "trans" in general sexually, but not trans man
03:24.42AeoA trans man is a man who was assigned female at birth, meaning they have a vagina.
03:25.55ExternalIf they have a vagina, then shouldn't they be female?
03:27.01AeoExternal: No. Gender is psychological. They are men because their neurology is such that they inherently identify as male.
03:27.15ExternalOh.
03:27.17AeoJust like how GLaDOS is female without having a vagina.
03:27.51ExternalI saw one of those last week, actually. A guy was dressed as a red-haired girl with a skirt and everything, and was talking like a teenage woman.
03:28.49AeoThat was a trans woman, not a trans man.
03:28.58AeoOr it was a drag queen.
03:29.18AeoThey're two different things and you can't tell them apart by looking.
03:29.56AeoShe was born with a penis, but her neurology was such that she would inevitably identify as female anyway with sufficient introspection.
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03:35.00AeoShe was born with a penis, but her neurology was such that she would inevitably identify as female anyway with sufficient introspection.
03:35.07External~punch Infobot
03:35.07infobotACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Infobot right on the nose
03:35.26TekDroid~feed external
03:35.26infobotACTION offers external some horseraddish
03:38.04ExternalNaaah
03:38.10External~smack infobot
03:38.10infobotACTION smacks infobot upside the head.
03:56.37Aeo~suck me
03:56.37infobotACTION sucks aeo's lips
03:56.46Aeo~blow me
03:56.47infobotACTION blows aeo
03:56.53AeoC:
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04:24.24ExternalI just got done talking with some old friends of mine at my old school. I think I will cry myself to sleep because I miss them so much
04:24.27ExternalDammit
04:24.35ExternalAnd it's because of my greedy landowner
04:35.19DrodoEmpiretest
04:43.24ExternalBoring
04:43.29External~strike Drodo
04:43.36External..
04:43.39ExternalI SED
04:43.42ExternalSTRIKE DRODO
04:43.46External~punch Drodo
04:43.47infobotACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Drodo right on the nose
04:51.27External~gender
04:51.27infobotI'm female
04:53.28Aeo~sex
04:53.28infobot[~sex] updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean;  sleep;
04:54.06ExternalWhat
04:54.08ExternalThe
04:54.09ExternalFuck
04:54.35Aeo~torment External
04:54.35infobotACTION forces External to exhaustively fact-check a VP Cheney interview with Rush Limbaugh
04:54.58Aeolol
04:54.59ExternalEven Angazhar thinks that's evil
04:55.24Aeo~torment External
04:55.24infobotACTION forces External to exhaustively fact-check a VP Cheney interview with Rush Limbaugh
04:55.47ExternalFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
04:55.51AeoSo it only has on rhing.
04:56.09Aeo~rape me
04:56.09infobotACTION takes aeo behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams
04:56.29Aeo~abuse infobot
04:56.29infobotACTION smacks infobot across the face. "Take that, sucker!"
04:56.43Aeo~annoy me
04:56.43infobotACTION dances around aeo, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy aeo to the maximum amount
04:57.08Aeo~torture Sarah
04:57.08infobotACTION forces Sarah to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production.
04:57.53DrodoEmpireStop with the infobot spam, please.
04:58.53AeoMWAHAHA
04:59.30Aeo~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot ~infobot
04:59.35AeoMWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
05:00.49External...
05:01.02External~chase Aeo
05:01.02infobotACTION chases Aeo
05:05.57DrodoEmpireStop.
05:05.59DrodoEmpireJust
05:06.00DrodoEmpireStop
05:06.09DrodoEmpireNot kidding around. Don't abuse infobot, please.
05:06.14DrodoEmpireI don't mean to be rude
05:06.32DrodoEmpireBut seriously, don't follow Aeo's example here
05:08.21Externalsur
05:19.13TekDroidO.o I think some Steam thing just overloaded and exploded.
05:19.35DrodoEmpireHm?
05:22.03TekDroidSome Steam thing began increasing CPU usage, going up to using a third of my CPU, then I got some error about breakpoints and it crashed. XD
05:23.57DrodoEmpireOuch.
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05:34.30ExternalActivity?
05:34.57DrodoEmpireHm?
05:36.14ExternalI wanted to see if the IRC was still quiet.
05:37.03DrodoEmpireEh, pretty well.
05:44.11TekDroidDrodoEmpire: Nothing happened, it was some background process that immediately restarted. XD
05:44.17DrodoEmpireAh
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08:20.58GhelaeHello.
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09:10.08JepardiHi
09:15.12GhelaeHello.
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09:25.01AdmiralPandahi all
09:25.20Liquid_InkHi
09:25.49Liquid_InkDid you enjoy today's pristine blue sky?
09:26.05GhelaeHello.
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10:05.58HachimanHai
10:12.23GhelaeHello.
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10:41.16HachimanBack again
10:49.11AdmiralPandahi
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10:52.00Wormy_hi
10:52.26GhelaeHello.
10:54.03Ghelaehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:PGPS - So you finally have somewhere to publish your philosophical essays. :D
10:55.15Wormy_Indeed
10:56.01Wormy_Unfortunately anything I put there would be antique by the 29th century
10:56.38GhelaeThat's a problem that occured to me too.
10:59.31GhelaePerhaps some general philosophical discussion might work if it were put into the context of some relevant in-universe thing.
11:00.43GhelaeLike how Aeo stuck a definition of slavery and its morality by comparing it to Cleanserist dedication.
11:03.04AdmiralPandathe other thing facing such a discussion is that different societies have not only radically different views, but often different foundations upon which their views are established
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11:04.53Wormy_Ghelae:  Well i kind of imagine aliens debating philosophy like this http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45e648b4a5fc0
11:05.26Hachiman~cuddle OluapWorker
11:05.26infobotACTION grabs OluapWorker and cuddles until OluapWorker begs for mercy
11:05.51OluapWorkermwee
11:06.08Wormy_Either they are seeking physical truths, so would converge on the same ones through their lasnguages.  Or they seek high abstractions and diverge completely.
11:06.23Wormy_The Civilisation is all about that really
11:07.13Wormy_To conglomerate all "sophont endeavours" as you called it, and try to srt a dialoge between vastly alien psychologies, perceptions and knowledge
11:07.22Wormy_I suppose I could add essays in that region
11:07.32Wormy_abd it sounds rather futuristic
11:08.31GhelaeThe distinction between alien philosophies appears to be the point, at least in-universe, for the PGPS, athough in practice it may be difficult for us to convincingly write up essays in the frame of mind of said philosophies.
11:10.08Wormy_It could be quite important for federations and empires that command over multiple sentient races
11:10.41Wormy_I'm not quite sure how the DCP maintains a mono-culture across aliens as strange as the Singing Trees
11:11.15Hachiman>tfw you will never be able to discuss the intricacies of varying sapient psychologies and mentalities with an alien crab/tree entity from a low-gravity world that is also a philosopher
11:11.19HachimanWhy even live
11:11.48Ghelaeikr
11:12.26Wormy_Well, I would have agreed with you once.  But all knowledge entities in the universe are "universal constructors (or explasiners) according to David Deutsch
11:12.40Wormy_*knowledge seeking
11:13.27Wormy_I can settle that by saying "either they are talking about the saame thing, i.e. the physical world, or some abstract plane we evolved no connection to"
11:16.39Wormy_Interestingly the universal explainer argument transcends all perception and all brute processing power simply because they are all working on the same principles when doing sience
11:17.06Wormy_So a SQ 20 being might find it a lot faster, but would not be "incomprehensible"
11:17.22Wormy_Indeed such a SQ 20 being could probably translate it all
11:18.20GhelaeUs being able to comprehend their philosophies doesn't make it easy to write about them, however.
11:19.04Wormy_As for alien perception and experience; abstractions like mathemastics or ???, I don't know if that ca be translated or not.  Presumbly it depends how different their world is
11:19.21Wormy_But that is what the Civilisation seeks
11:20.45Wormy_Maybe in the far future, the Civilisation will affectively merge every sentient species
11:45.52Wormy_Now where is drom http://imgur.com/gallery/pAbf5NP
11:49.28Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/usyEx4j
11:49.43Wormy_Must be a thing in America to have doors that don't fit toilets
11:52.23Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/LzdVNhr
11:52.50Technobliteratorhow many times will I have to tell External not to remove talk page content before he actually stops?
11:55.53Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/KXJUtDC
11:56.43Wormy_I never liked message walls anyway/
12:06.34TechnobliteratorNo one removed non-vandalism talk page content back when we had normal talk pages :/
12:07.04TechnobliteratorGiven this is the third time I've had to tell him, I'm considering warning him
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12:50.35Liquid_InkHowdy
12:50.55OluapWorkerspu
12:51.26XhoSQUAAAAWK
12:51.32OluapWorkerburd
12:56.01XhoOluapWorker: y u no post angry moon section last nite
12:56.17OluapWorkerbecause fuk u that's y
12:56.30TechnobliteratorOluapWorker, Hachiman, do you guys want to begin the Loron thing when Oluap gets home?
12:56.41OluapWorkerI'll be busy so no
12:56.54Technobliteratorright ok
12:56.56Technobliteratorall day?
12:57.13OluapWorkerI'll tell you when I can begin
12:57.20Technobliteratoralright sure
12:57.53XhoWhy do I have a feeling that the Elf + Javina team are gonna end up killing each other
12:58.42XhoOr they all might end up killing Javina bcuz elf rites
12:58.50OluapWorkerMore like Javina will eventually cream herself
12:59.02XhoAnnamasakkan - u r all rly ew
12:59.35XhoJust for the notice I'll be gone in roughly five hours
12:59.48OluapWorkery dis
13:00.18XhoGoing out
13:00.59OluapWorkerdisgustin
13:02.17ImperiosHi
13:02.51ImperiosXho: What do you mean by "killimh"
13:03.01Imperios*killing
13:03.11XhoJavina might go all sieg human on them
13:03.41OluapWorkerJavina taking on all of them and winning
13:03.47OluapWorkerKinda underwhelming if you ask me
13:03.59XhoWould be an impressive sight hur
13:04.26XhoJavina takes the Coronaira Whip and uses it for BDSM purposes
13:05.19ImperiosBrilliant
13:05.35OluapWorkerShe'd be incinerated in the first whip
13:05.39OluapWorkerHoly fire I guess
13:05.46XhoLonginus - #mortals
13:07.46XhoI just realised Vultusk didn't have one speaking part in that section
13:08.38OluapWorkerHim and two of Imp's chars didn't
13:09.13XhoMore excusable for Vultusk I guess since he is a shambling frankenstein
13:09.19Xhomonster that is
13:09.27XhoShambling Frakenstein's Monster dere
13:10.24OluapWorkerVultusk - we were too busy admiring the holes on the ceiling
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13:11.26Monethello
13:12.05XhoHi
13:12.20XhoThere must be some source of humour behind the fact that Hachi keeps feeding Kinmo
13:12.31XhoKinmo doesn't have a mouth nor the need to be fed hur
13:12.43OluapWorkerKinmo - don't ask where the food is going into
13:13.13OluapWorkerhe has no mouth?
13:13.29XhoNo need to have a mouth
13:13.53OluapWorkerOnly thing making him resemble a phoenix is the fact he has feathers
13:14.11Xhohence y dey called echdrarothrayu lel
13:14.13OluapWorkershenanigans dis
13:14.18OluapWorkerfuk off
13:15.24XhoI need to go and do Mhor's page now
13:16.02OluapWorkerMhor - guys           fish             GUYS                FISH
13:16.16XhoEsulus - *scream*
13:22.04OluapWorkerNow I'm done with those demons-turned-Mortium-servants
13:22.17Xhogud
13:22.44XhoThanatos should have Makkarast as an enemy
13:22.47XhoJust a suggestion
13:23.23OluapWorkerI was going to say he ended up similar to Makkarast but that's because I couldn't think of anything else
13:23.26OluapWorkerand sure
13:25.45OluapWorkerSo there's a dog, a skeleton centaur, a skeleton skeleton, an angel and a goth girl
13:25.50OluapWorkerMortium's servants are a weird bunch
13:26.05XhoMortium - tea party
13:26.39OluapWorkerSpookiest tea
13:26.51XhoYou probably know this already but Thanatos is the angel of death in Greek mythology
13:27.33OluapWorkerIt's the reason I made him look like an angel dur
13:27.39Xhoroite
13:27.45XhoI'm gonna make Mhor now
13:27.52OluapWorkerMHOOOR
13:27.57XhoFIIISH
13:28.12XhoMhor has a weapon called 'Madaghônr' which means 'Cascade' in their language
13:28.21XhoIt's basically a fucking huge warhammer that causes shockwaves on impact
13:28.28OluapWorkerMerkan - fuk off           Mhor - coral throne more like dinner table
13:28.48OluapWorkerhamma
13:29.32XhoIn terms of physical strength among my characters I'd say he rates higher than Septimus but lower than Longinus
13:29.42XhoI'm not sure who's stronger between Longinus and Ndrhthryr physically
13:30.04OluapWorkerLonginus - why are you such a fucking WIMP HOLY SHIT            Septimus - can we put him back in the ocean later
13:30.44XhoSays on my ranking list that Longinus is my second strongest character before going into god-levels
13:31.00XhoMaras being the first
13:31.43XhoNdrhthryr is my strongest mortal protagonist
13:31.51OluapWorkerStrongest of mine on that cast would be Vixaatus without doubt
13:32.05OluapWorkerbig powaful wyvern
13:32.23XhoVixaatus - eet sand                    Longinus - in my time       dragons were ridden not tellin us to eet sand
13:32.56OluapWorkerVixaatus - in my time dragons ruled the world nao eet sand
13:33.29OluapWorkerI'm not sure which of mine is the strongest. Probably depends of whether stuff like Atrocius count as mortal
13:33.29XhoNot quite sure where Annamasakkan comes in either
13:33.43XhoI'm talking mostly about Koldenwelt-born beings that aren't biologically immortal
13:33.49OluapWorkerHmm
13:34.43XhoMy only character that amounts closest to a normal human is Pelagrios
13:34.55OluapWorkerand dats a bad thing
13:35.11OluapWorkerI guess my strongest char in physical terms is either Wrugrak or Clamak, not counting dragons
13:36.03XhoI'd say Riad and Taihadrae are somewhat equal on physical terms
13:36.18OluapWorkerClamak could probably snap the Sea Witch in half if he ever had a reason to
13:36.29XhoClamak - no deal
13:36.37OluapWorkerOr accidentally turn her into paste by falling on top of her
13:36.53XhoDensest dwarf in the universe
13:37.21OluapWorkerKyrsacov are all like that. Very strong, very heavy, very very VERY slow
13:37.43XhoNdrhthryr is probably the physically strongest character I have
13:38.18XhoLonginus would only outrank him due to sun magic dickery
13:38.21OluapWorkerNd's newest exercise: lifting Clamak
13:38.29XhoNdrhthryr - aktuly quite tough
13:38.36OluapWorkerClamak - just big boned
13:39.05XhoNdrhthryr and Clamak would make a terrifying duo
13:39.33OluapWorkerClamak - friend tin can
13:39.52XhoNdrhthryr - tin            u kno i am not sure wat metal dis is
13:40.28XhoIt's not an impenetrable metal since Savant was able to tear through it
13:40.36OluapWorkerafter Clamak and Wrugrak would come Kebra'Osos
13:40.54Wormy_I like this theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T3Du6_34l8
13:41.15XhoI'd say Annamasakkan is almost as strong as a Shiarchon
13:41.16OluapWorkerThen the Alpha Succubi, Norrigan and then it's pretty human-level strength
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13:41.34OluapWorkerI have no need for super strong chars
13:41.35XhoCertainly not as durable because Skaurovirn aren't unholy death corpses
13:41.43External_facbookGOOOOD MOOOOOOORRRRRRNNNNIIIIIIIIIIINNNNG
13:41.50OluapWorkerSkaurovirn - at least we're not as ugly
13:41.58XhoI'd like to see the interactions going on between all those elves
13:42.10External_facbook?
13:42.40XhoIt would be all alright until you throw Longinus and Annamasakkan in the mix
13:42.56OluapWorkerAnnamasakkan - good interaction             the aithrena and the erylia are kissing while the orichalcum one is rambling about piercings             meanwhile the human is screaming about purges and getting hot between her legs
13:43.07XhoLonginus can be dealt with in personality though Annamasakkan is an icicle of emotions
13:43.35XhoAnnamasakkan is quite a mellow Skaurovirn as well
13:43.41OluapWorkerVixaatus - adjust urself or ur gonna eet extra sand
13:44.51XhoAnnamasakkan I'd say is probably more open around beastfolk since I'd assume beastfolk would find Skaurovirn not as noticeable among a Deiwos population
13:45.26XhoThough having an enormous gargoyle-looking demonic elf generally warrants caution and pitchforks
13:46.39OluapWorkerCaxildiz - u mean not all elves look horrifying
13:48.58XhoSkaurovirn - home
13:49.25XhoI modelled him after Scorpion from Mortal Kombat in appearance
13:49.37OluapWorkerCaxildiz - they got flesh on their limbs         that's fucked up
13:51.10External_facbooki hate it
13:51.14External_facbookstupid internet
13:51.38External_facbooktakes half an hour to load MY DAMNED MESSAGE WALL
13:51.56External_facbookAnd it loads everything else fine
13:52.51Wormy_I wouldn't worry about Facebook.  Could be worse.
13:58.27OluapWorkerThis new guy
13:58.42OluapWorker"I am also VERY excited for Spore 2 to come out, which is in 2016."
13:58.50OluapWorkerHe's either heard lies or is completely delusional
13:59.19Wormy_Its a hoax, and a somewhat funny one.
13:59.45Wormy_It even has a fake website, on one of those free hosted sites like wix.
13:59.45OluapWorkerI assume you've heard of it then
13:59.52Wormy_yep
13:59.53OluapWorkerOh wow
14:00.29Wormy_It includes things like "Grand Theft Pony"
14:00.48OluapWorkerolol
14:00.49MonetLol!
14:00.58OluapWorkerThe fact Spore is 7 years old makes me feel slightly old
14:01.39Wormy_http://skygamestudios.weebly.com/
14:01.51Wormy_found it.  That is probably it
14:02.35Wormy_Oh wow they even ripped the old Spore website http://skygamingstudios.wix.com/spore2
14:03.28OluapWorkerIt sounds like they're pretending to be an indie company who wants to make a sequel to the game
14:03.33OluapWorkerEven if that was the case I'm pretty sure that'd be illegal
14:04.08Wormy_I think its a complete joke
14:04.24Wormy_Never the less it has tricked people
14:04.53Wormy_Thee Aquatic stage screenshot look like they were made in GA http://skygamingstudios.wix.com/spore2#!screenshots/c4si
14:07.04OluapWorkerPerhaps one day we'll finally get a true evolution simulator like Spore's original concept was like
14:07.12OluapWorkerBut I don't see that happening any time soon
14:07.51Wormy_There are lots of things that are like parts of Spore and actually better.  Like Species
14:08.02Wormy_But Spore is the only attempt I know to link them all.
14:08.57Wormy_This game simulates evolution much more realistically, I must download it at some point. http://www.speciesgame.com/
14:09.39OluapWorkerI'm surprised a sequel with more DLC hasn't come out by now
14:10.02OluapWorkerConsidering it's EA and Spore is very open for new features
14:11.19OluapWorkerAll they did was that Darkspore which was talked about for like a week before it was forgotten
14:11.22Wormy_I think EA's position is that they'd rather rip out Spore's technology and concepts for other games.
14:14.28OluapWorkerI suppose it's better to see it left alone than be turned into a cash cow
14:15.34Wormy_yeah
14:16.00XhoShould I make Mhor's warhammer earth-magic based or sound-magic based
14:16.18XhoWait there's no such thing as sound magic is there
14:16.20XhoEarth magic then
14:16.24Wormy_"Sound-magic" sounds good
14:16.33OluapWorkerSound falls under arcane
14:16.38Xhorite
14:17.10OluapWorkerhur at Species' development blog
14:17.17OluapWorker"What about Spore?"           "[glares]"
14:17.20Wormy_"Not like Spore!"
14:17.33OluapWorkerit does look interesting
14:17.35Wormy_it states that on top of the homepage
14:18.11OluapWorker"I had my sense of humour surgically removed for the sake of doing a concise FAQ that doesn’t ramble on mindlessly about eldritch abominations, timecubes and orbital weaponry."
14:18.17MonetAudimancy - heavy metal magic.
14:18.19OluapWorkerThis guy could easily fit in here
14:23.48Wormy_I just found on kicktarter game a bit like Spore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU9Yg1ZtFd0
14:23.55Wormy_*found a game
14:27.07OluapWorkerLooks nice
14:27.13OluapWorkerBut fuck me that's a tiny planet
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14:33.15Wormy_I'm actually following a chapter in this book which tells you how to model and script cells to act as "Agents" moving in a dynamic environment http://store.elsevier.com/In-Silico/Jason-Sharpe/isbn-9780080879253/
14:33.35Wormy_Its gonna take me a while this Summer but it might be quite good
14:33.41MonetReading Scarface on TV Tropes...I had no idea how deeply it inspidred GTA Vice City
14:36.38Wormy_The problem I'm facing with the book is that I got the ebook version, so no DVD
14:36.55Wormy_A couple of long bits of code were included in it
14:37.06Wormy_But most of it, the book instructs
14:37.32Wormy_Its fucking stupid that you can't download the extra material.
14:38.09Wormy_But the book and VD was £200 to stuff that
14:38.14Imperios...Fuck sake calculus was ridiculously easy this time
14:38.18Wormy_ebook was 40
14:40.48Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f1/Mhor2015.png/revision/latest?cb=20150502143453 Bane of the Fish
14:41.23OluapWorkerwinnie the mhoh
14:41.56Xhohttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d5/MhorWarhammer.png/revision/latest?cb=20150502143739 And his weapon
14:42.20XhoOne must take into account that's roughly the size of Pelagrios
14:42.31OluapWorkerThat's pretty good looking
14:43.42XhoI was gonna make it look like this weapon from Oblivion called Nerveshatter
14:43.49Xhohttp://images.uesp.net/b/b3/SI-item-Nerveshatter.png
14:44.02XhoThough it looks a little too evil for a good guy to use
14:45.42OluapWorkerA little hur
14:47.45XhoMhor vs Ndrhthryr
14:47.47XhoThat would be fun
14:48.34XhoMy bet is that Ndrhthryr would win but Mhor would give him a good challenge
14:48.43ImperiosXho: ×åòêèé ìåäâåäü, åïòà.
14:48.45ImperiosÕÀÉËÜ ÏÓÒÈÍ
14:48.49XhoI'm scared
14:49.03OluapWorkerwat goin on
14:49.25XhoMainly because his hammer emits shockwaves can could potentially knock Ndrhthryr flat
14:49.33Xhocan could
14:49.36XhoGreat English Xho
14:54.58Wormy_I believe no more than four drunk people should be allowed on a train at anyone time
14:55.10XhoHeh
14:56.29Wormy_A friend of mine just got off the train and loads of drunk football fuktards entered, and going through people's bags and stealing shit, thinking it was funny.  The they started being rude and coming up close threatening to steal her stuff and insulting her for being a woman
14:56.45Wormy_If someone was that close up to my face I think I would snap
14:56.55Wormy_Then get beaten up by a group of thugs
14:57.35Wormy_Tbh, if I was cornered and their face was close to mine I'd see as a weakness
14:58.02Wormy_I really hope I do not snap in that situation
14:58.35OluapWorkerNo more than zero drunk people should exist ever
14:58.39Xhoevurrr
14:59.12XhoI'm not a fan of being drunk though I like the taste of alcoholic drinks
14:59.15Wormy_I don't understand why the train station would let such a nasty group of people in
14:59.31Wormy_There are barriers and security
14:59.43XhoThough then again I imagine if alcoholic drinks didn't make you drunk the reaction you'd get from it wouldn't really exist
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15:01.18ImpyDroidGah I am so dead I do not have a clue what to do
15:02.08XhoRot
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15:08.16Wormy_I've sent a complaint to East Midlands Trains.
15:24.26ImperiosXho: It's metallic
15:24.30ImperiosThe taste, I mean
15:24.38Xhoof wat
15:27.45Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Mhor dun
15:28.08ImperiosOf alcohol
15:28.29ImperiosMonet: http://wowlol.ru/img3/5be7289a7e8699cc8e5b8b2f98da7f42.jpg
15:28.37XhoI dunno
15:28.55MonetImperios: Heh
15:30.22XhoI could spoil where Mhor's weapon comes from if you wish to know
15:33.47XhoThough I want quotes first
15:34.23Wormy_Well East Midlands Trains replied, in the usual polite but shrugging off manner
15:35.00Wormy_I don't wanna go too far because I don't want police involved.
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15:40.14XhoOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Mhor
15:40.22OluapPlayeri c
15:40.25OluapPlayermoo
15:41.07OluapPlayerMY NAME IS MISTER BEAR
15:41.35XhoMhor - and dunt u forget it
15:41.46XhoI can spoil the origins of Mhor's weapon
15:41.49XhoIf you gimme quotos
15:42.04OluapPlayerI would but I can't really think of any atm
15:42.09OluapPlayerMaybe after Angry Moon
15:42.15Xhodat gon b long time
15:42.26XhoMeh I can spoil it anyway
15:42.43XhoThe core of the weapon is the reforged core of Maras the Destroyer's staff
15:43.04OluapPlayerEsulus - gimme dat                Mhor - *glare*                  Esulus - fug
15:43.39XhoSo if anyone had strong magical inclinations and actually strong enough to wield that hammer
15:44.09XhoOne could potentially wield a similar degree of power to what Maras had
15:44.45XhoThough that being said Maras was psychotic and emotionally driven so perhaps not that far
15:45.18XhoMhor has little magical degree so at the most he can cause shockwaves with it
15:45.34XhoSomeone with Maras' power could probably shift gravity with it
15:46.06XhoThough where Maras' staff came from no one has a clue
15:46.15XhoExcept Alhazred I guess
15:47.13XhoBut yes the hammer was originally crafted by the Orayu around 18,000 years ago
15:47.22OluapPlayerAlhazred - a smith probably. what else
15:48.43XhoI would have thought that Maras acquired the staff rather than smithed it
15:48.55XhoThough I'll leave that in the open as to where it came from
15:50.35XhoMaras is probably the most powerful character I have come to think of it
15:50.41XhoIf he were alive that is
15:52.31XhoActually yeah it says on my list that he'd be my most powerful protagonist apart from Kinmo
15:52.55XhoDisregarding the gods of course
15:53.15XhoWe should have some stories set with the Dawn Wardens
15:53.22XhoMore that is
15:54.37MonetMaras - I'd have the whole world bowing to me if I wasn't dead.
15:55.25XhoMaras was too crazy to focus his powers so it only ever manifested when he was legitimately angry
15:57.24Monet"if he had half a brain he'd be dagerous"
15:57.51XhoBut he was predominantly a good guy so I don't imagine Maras wanting to take over Koldenwelt
15:58.02XhoThat and back then Maras was one of many beings as powerful as him
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16:01.45dromGood evening
16:01.52XhoHi
16:01.57dromIt has been a quite slow day for me.
16:05.21dromOff to play little of TF2 to see if this can "accelerate" my day.
16:24.55HachimanSo there is a race in Lord of the Rings: Online called the Beornings
16:25.18Xhodur
16:25.45HachimanWho are Norse-esque race of Men who are large and can shapeshift into bears
16:26.02HachimanReminds me too much of the Norn from Guild Wars honestly
16:28.18MonetI belive Beornings predate both Guild Wars and LOTRO
16:29.05GhelaeNo, Tolkein totally ripped off Guild Wars when he was writing The Hobbit.
16:30.08MonetSo ueah, can't really say Beornings ar eripoffs.
16:30.13Monetare ripoffs*
16:30.51HachimanHuh right
16:30.54HachimanDid not know that
16:32.02MonetUnderstandablt though
16:32.17ImperiosNorn are not only Norse though
16:32.41ImperiosThey're also somewhat Amerindian when it comes to their culture and religion
16:33.03Wormy_Oh great now they want this reported to the police
16:33.08MonetThe appearance of Beorn the Skin-Changer in Desolation of Smaug was something taken fro mthe books - and at the time the company met him, he was one of the last.
16:33.26Wormy_As far as I'm concerned they have the CCTV footage
16:35.01MonetIs it just bears Norn can shapeshift into?
16:35.08Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11062414_339529616237690_1003379755330331812_n.png?oh=5235c37700e9b72a4e25b4ae10d99a99&oe=55CD3432
16:35.17HachimanI believe Norn can shapeshift into multiple animals if I recall
16:36.17MonetIf I recall their primary naimal spirits are bear, wolf and raven. Animals that have some significance in Nordic mythology.
16:36.39MonetBears...I'm not sure their place
16:37.37MonetBut wolves, you had two ever-hungry wolves owned by Odin and als oFenrir, ravens were said to be Odin's agents and their presence was said to be an omen of things to come.
16:38.10MonetCrows and wolves may have inspired the valkries due to their nature of cherry-picking corpses after a battle.
16:39.33MonetSInce I'm guessing the best carcasses would have been the biggest warriors and therefore had been the best or toughest in the battle.
16:44.01MonetImperios: What aspects in particular?
16:44.40ImperiosTheir totem animals, their tattoos, et cetera
16:44.47ImperiosBear, Wolf, Raven and Snow Leopard
16:44.49ImperiosAnd Bunny
16:45.45MonetI'm not 100% if their Tatoos are Amerindian, but I guess it depends
16:46.49MonetNorn tattoos look like they heavily feature Celtic knots
16:48.12Wormy_drom http://imgur.com/gallery/pAbf5NP
16:48.38MonetMaybe Norn are part Celtic?
16:49.06MonetIsince IIRC Celtic cultures were pagan-esque
16:51.05Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/mx7146W
16:51.58dromWormy_: Expected third-point. Wasn't disappointed.
16:53.48MonetHmm, I guess they oculd be a mix of al lthree
16:54.03MonetSInce Norn are for the most part, fairly passive.
16:58.12MonetI'm slightly concerned the Aeoneonatrix uno Ironsun's definitiion of slavery isn't as perfect as he thinks
16:58.45MonetFirst, that a thing, to qualify as slavery, must be an act. Second, it must involve persons or organizations trading the right, in the eyes of someone, to commit certain actions against another person. Third, such actions must be forbidden to be performed on persons not considered slaves." > this is the defenition he diesired sbut wouldn't this mean certain forms of indentured servitude are not classed as enslavement?
16:59.30GhelaeThat would be a perfectly valid criticism to comment on.
17:00.52MonetIndentured Servitude, being contract based and agreed between the creditor and the person to indenture themselves, has a layer of willingness to it because the indebtor is consenting to essentiually sell themselves.. And in a few cases, that consent is willful
17:01.04GhelaeAlthough I'd be more concerned about Illu. Terius Kortobar, apparenltly a physics professor who wrote an article on Essence describing energy as "a kind of force". :P
17:01.05Monetindentor*
17:02.09MonetProbably my fault
17:02.10Xhohttp://imgur.com/gallery/brJkZ I have discovered this
17:04.19Monet"We all know that energy is not made up of particles, it is a way of describing transfers;" any better?
17:05.00GhelaeIt is better, yes.
17:07.57MonetI imagine that a species that has reached the kind of consensus Terius proposes might have come to accept that Essence is not a form of pseudoscience
17:08.55ImperiosMonet: Waht do you mean pagan-esque?
17:09.14ImperiosThey were pagan, though I am pretty sure they became Christian very early in their history
17:09.20GhelaeWhen it's something that has such visible direct effects on the universe it would be surprising for anyone to think of it as pseudoscience.
17:09.34GhelaeExcept for the Tahar, it seems.
17:09.56Wormy_glarfielf http://i.imgur.com/COWw9vo.gif
17:10.03MonetApparently the Tahar's experiments came out negative.
17:12.08MonetI suppose either they were looking at it the wrong way (I remember they tried to debunk X-theory o nthe UDB by asking where the souls go) or they didn't have the right means to measure or examine it in a way other powers have done.
17:12.36HachimanHm
17:13.12HachimanI might set up a kingdom of Khahurnim in the Tropical Lands that descend from the southern Khahurnim tribes that ventured outside of the Sea of Sand
17:13.40GhelaeIt's possibly the former, subconsciously deliberately; at least I'm sure Irsk said that they were irrationally biased against anything seemingly supernatural out the fear that it would lead to a slipperly slope with worshipping deities at the end,
17:13.52Ghelae.*
17:13.57MonetMaybe the interchangeability of mundane and elemental energy is what stumped them?
17:14.31MonetThey couldn't find anything because they were looking for something other than the mundane eneries.
17:15.07MonetMeditation also appears to be considered esoteric or ineffetive in Kraw Galaxy society, a technique many mentalists practice on a daily basis.
17:15.24Ghelae"Essence isn't supernatural, therefore it doesn't exist" seems like the kind of logic they'd turn to in that situation.
17:15.55MonetSo the people they tested might of been unable to perform telekinesis largely because the had no idea how it came about.
17:18.28Wormy_I don't think an entire galaxy's sentients can realistically think about the same things, and if it did, they would go nowhere in rationalising anything!
17:20.03MonetThere are signs of it in the Kraw Galaxy though
17:21.31MonetThe other possibility is the entire galaxy suffers from cultural osmosis fro mthe Kraw and Tahar empires
17:43.12MonetGhelae: THat seems an understandable use of logic
17:43.25Monet"if it can be explained it's not magic, therefore it is bull"
17:46.16MonetThough I think they have accused psychics of "breaking the laws of the universe"
17:47.04GhelaeReally, they run on Irsk-logic.
17:47.19GhelaeWell, a more unreasonable version of it.
17:47.25Monet<PROTECTED>
17:49.12GhelaeHe did acknowledge they weren't actually being rational about it.
17:51.00MonetFor one of the few mundane powers that referred to the Xhodocto as the Ayrai'Shikua, perhaps this is true.
17:56.14MonetThough I always thought "Ayrai'Shikua" was a name that wasn't ublicly known
17:56.32MonetThough I *do* wonder how widely known all these godbeings are
17:57.25GhelaeIt wasn't known during the Tigris War, which is why the name "Xhodocto" became used, but I'm less sure about afterwards.
17:58.13MonetSomething as universe-shaking as the existence of a real god seems worth covering up in mass media to some degree.
17:59.11MonetWithin the DI, the undead plague during the Holy Shadow War/War of Claim was largely informed to be nanotechnological in nature.
17:59.54MonetAnd during the Second War of Black Fog, the Kikra Castes may have been given a similar origin withi nthe tabloids.
18:01.55MonetI can see Daily Mail analogues going crazy with headlines like "Foreign self-replication nanotech runs amok" or "Crisis as trillions infected with nanite terror weapon"
18:03.32GhelaeThere was more to the Second War of Black Fog than the Kikras, though, so on some planets it would be harder to cover up.
18:04.48MonetGive nthe tech level of the modern gigaquadrant it seems possible to create casimilies of more commonly-witnessed demons.
18:05.01Monetfacsimilies*
18:05.19GhelaeMost likely. There are only so many laws of physics to violate, and hyperspatial technologies seem to have most of those covered at least appearance-wise.
18:05.43MonetThough the invincible Kaiju demons are either biomechanical cosntructs or, well, demons.
18:06.03MonetIn the media eye I mean
18:06.51MonetStuff like Kolossus vs Tyras is probably *very* difficult to explain with science though so that one is very likely ot be either the truth or covered in tabloid bullshit.
18:07.36MonetWe really need more light on what mass media are doing with all these demons and gods and corruptive energies.
18:07.55GhelaeThat's something I've never thought of. These huge fights are going on and, several miles away, paparazzi are taking photos with telescopic lenses.
18:08.28TechnobliteratorI wish we could've made that Tigris War remake
18:08.50MonetWhat's stopping us this time?
18:08.56GhelaeI don't think there's no chance of it being made; it just looks very unlikely to happen soon.
18:09.51TechnobliteratorXho was uninterested
18:09.58TechnobliteratorOluap was uninterested
18:10.11TechnobliteratorI didn't want to do it alone
18:10.25MonetI would have been up for it, but we kinda needed Xho
18:10.38GhelaeSame here.
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18:11.04MonetSo you wouldn't have been alone in doing it
18:11.24MonetIt's just someone else would need to conduct the Congregation
18:11.53TechnobliteratorWe were waiting for him to plan the plot, then he lost interest before he did
18:12.38TechnobliteratorI might be able to just plan it myself and get it ok'd from him and get him partly involved, I dunno
18:13.00GhelaeI don't see why that shouldn't work.
18:13.17Technobliteratorit could
18:13.20GhelaeAlthough again, you don't need to do it all by yourself if you don't want to.
18:13.28TechnobliteratorI also need to rewrite the Taldar page :  |
18:14.05MonetThe good news is summer's coming
18:14.12MonetThat means summer fiction time
18:14.43Technobliteratorand it means I can do lots more of everything because my exams will be over
18:17.48MonetWooh!
18:22.08MonetI've pioneered a writing technique where two or more people discuss what's happening, then writeups are left independantly (think coding only without source material or RP archives) to who feels up to it. The stories are then consented before being published
18:23.55TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, Hachiman, tell me when you guys are free
18:24.06OluapPlayerNot today
18:24.13Technobliteratoraw
18:24.56HachimanWell I would have been able to
18:25.49Tek0516I've actually been on summer break for over a week now. :D
18:28.27OluapPlayerI'm not in the mood of rping today
18:29.17OluapPlayerIf you want to get the section done by yourselves you can do it
18:29.39HachimanI'd rather not
18:30.33Wormy_10 Future Cities  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqBwDB_2F34
18:34.45MonetWormy_: Can't hlep noticing the number of such future cities located in East Asia and the Middle East.
18:35.10Wormy_Sometimes I think they are more forward thinking than us.
18:35.54Wormy_Especially number 3, China building floating cities to move their population from the mainland as the sea levels rise.
18:36.06MonetEhh #10 sounds like an attempt by Azerbaijan to show off to me
18:37.01Wormy_Also, tens of billions of dollars is nothing.  An Airliner can cost just as much if not more.
18:37.45MonetActually each airliner still costs in them illions
18:38.06Wormy_Maybe it was a set of airliners then
18:38.26MonetIt's more likely the R&D projects to develop them that are what costs billions
18:39.51Wormy_Yeah, I saw it in a dicussion where space projects are expensive but still things much more expebsive are spent all the time.
18:39.51MonetAn Airbus A380 costs only $480 million a craft.
18:40.11Monet428 million*
18:43.18MonetANd yeah, space operations cost billions easily. In the Apollo Progam's case it cost the United states a total of 25 billion dollars.
18:43.27Tek0516Wormy_: Also space tends to produce less direct financial returns.
18:43.54Monetin 1975 money
18:44.41Wormy_That's true, unfortunately.
18:45.22MonetAn estimated 16.7 billion was on the craft itself, and another 4 billion to keep the facilities running
18:45.32Moneton the craft and launch vehicles*
18:47.03MonetI had a brief look and the Lockheed Martin F-22 raptor is priced at $150 million a jet
18:47.33MonetBut the F-22 program itself is estimated at $88 billion.
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18:48.12Technobliteratorhihi
18:49.34MonetI wonder if some of these cities are being built to solv issues the Western Hemisphere either isn't so panicked about or has already solved.
18:50.13MonetStuff like the King Abdullah Financial City could essentially be a financial CBD build fro mthe ground up
18:50.51MonetIn the West, we might not cnsider building these things because the City of London, New York FInancial or Silicon Valley work just fine.
18:52.11Wormy_Possibly, they are much older cities with more connections to the world.
18:52.42Wormy_And their locations are pretty important.
18:52.49MonetYeah.
18:53.05Wormy_While I guess in the East its much more experimental.
18:53.36MonetAlthough "the World Islands" in Dubai?
18:53.38Monet...yeah that thing's basically the Mega-Rich showing off.
18:53.53Wormy_lol
18:54.14MonetBecause I do not see any houses on that island being with less than $3 million
18:54.20Monetworth*
18:54.27The_Randomnessdang
18:55.05Wormy_Though, I think those countries are also aware that oil is finite resource, and once its gone its gone.  So thats why they are making cities more environmental and for different avenues like trade.
18:55.33Wormy_Cities like Dubai I believe, their only source of wealth is oil.
18:55.42Wormy_Could be wrong, but yeah
18:56.17Monethttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01532/dubai-island_1532127i.jpg well I found an exampel of one of the completed islands
18:57.33Wormy_Would make a great James Bond type location.
18:57.35Monethttp://www.homebase2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/080424-homebase2com-lwdesign-TheWorld-France-Spain-Overview-B.jpg and a visualisation of one of the community/resort islands
18:57.55ImperiosMonet: Remember what you said about Wakanda and Latveria yesterday?
18:59.00MonetImperios: In regards to how Marvel seems to be less liberal than DC when it comes to ficticious real-world nations? I remember
18:59.07ImperiosYeah
18:59.17ImperiosThis made me think about where the final battle in AoU was set
18:59.20ImperiosBelarus?
18:59.54MonetAn Eastern European country
19:02.16MonetWheras DC you have ficticious American cities like Gotham and Metropolis and countries like Pokolistan, Qurac, Syraq and Themyscira.
19:04.05Wormy_Monet:  Do you think the Cultists are possibly descended from robots that served the Endless?  https://youtu.be/9xD9UkJQAiw?t=5m38s
19:04.24Wormy_The broken parts make me think they are robots
19:05.13MonetThey do look quite robotic
19:05.46MonetThat or the Cultists all wear the same protective armour
19:06.28Wormy_I wonder if the Necrophages become the Cravers
19:07.03Wormy_If that's the case, the Vaulters possible accidently unleashed them
19:07.12MonetImperios: It's a stretch but maybe the inclusion of Belarus is a hint towards the AoU comic?
19:07.28Wormy_The theory is that the Vaulters fixed their crashed starship and got off-world, then forgot its location
19:07.47ImperiosThey use Cyrillic script, but it's not Russian, and the aesthetics are vaguely USSR-esque
19:11.01Wormy_I love how all the games and story are still under development.
19:11.12MonetIn the comics, Ultron arrives in the present from the future but I can't tell where.
19:11.22Wormy_Masybe in the next we have to rediscover Auriga somehow
19:11.55Hachiman>Story is still in development
19:11.58HachimanWow how cheap
19:12.11HachimanLiterally making stuff up as they go along
19:12.14Wormy_What?
19:12.30Wormy_I didn't mean it like that.
19:12.57Wormy_Anyway I think the story is pretty good.
19:13.12MonetBut in one alternate timeline, where Wolverine kills Hank Pym and Tony Stark becomes leader of the free world (long story), there is mention of an assault in Latveria that went sour after ENchantress showed up with an army and kicked the shit out of Stark's forces, quickly taking over Europe.
19:14.27Wormy_What I mean by "under development" is that the games haven't been forgotten, they get DLC's and are linked to each other.  But if the theory is correct it will probably involve a fourth game.  I have no idea if it was pre-planned or if they are doing it as they go along.
19:16.46Wormy_Endless Space is one of those few games with OA-level speculative sci-fi anyway
19:17.14Wormy_It has all sorts of speculative tech, alien races and events, and so on.
19:19.21MonetAlso looking the EU
19:19.28MonetThe Celestials are canon.
19:19.40MonetThe Marvel Cinematic Universe I mean
19:20.05MonetBecause Knowhere i supposed to be the head of a dead one.
19:21.08Wormy_Whenever I try to classify Marvel aliens in the Tier scale I go "yewwww" tbh
19:21.31MonetNot surprising
19:21.53Wormy_Pretty much Clarke's Third Law on steroids yet they feel very human-like
19:22.01MonetAlthough idk by the looks of GotG the MCU aliens might be more consistent.
19:22.10MonetExcept for Thanos
19:22.52MonetNova Prime for isntance is supposed to have cosmic-level supernatural power.
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19:24.16MonetAnd in Avengers vs X-Men he arrives on Earth SUperman-style, going at superluminal speeds, including reentry, and the worst he had was a few burn marks and maybe a broken ribs after encountering the Phoenix.
19:24.54MonetMCU's Nova Prime? As far as we can tell she's pretty normal aside fro mknowledge of the Infinity Stones.
19:26.04MonetThen again, the Nova Corps in the Marvel Universe is supposed to be a space-based superhero team.
19:26.36MonetWheras i nthe MCU it's the police force for the Xandar ian Empire(?).
19:26.41MonetXandarian*
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19:27.53Quark8Hello.
19:28.09MonetHello
19:28.19MonetBut this is one of the believability issues with comics
19:28.52MonetIt's not very healthy for the left-brain, but the right-brain loves what it sees
19:29.29Wormy_Of course
19:31.07Wormy_<PROTECTED>
19:32.00MonetOne man can indeed make a difference
19:33.03Wormy_I feel that a simple policy to stop large groups of thieving, drunken louts should be easy.  Afterall the station in question has barriers and security, and there is a taxi station outside.
19:34.03Wormy_<PROTECTED>
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19:41.29Wormy_I hate bloodsport
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19:44.53Technobliteratorwhat happened?
19:45.40Wormy_"Hell no. I went snorkeling in Hawaii as a kid, and saw the continental shelf. Terrified me to just see the ground disappear into deep blue."  http://imgur.com/gallery/jgSivmp
19:45.42MonetIn the case of East Midlands trains, I'd say its jsutifiable
19:46.38Monet"Hell no. I went snorkeling in Hawaii as a kid, and saw the continental shelf. Terrified me to just see the ground disappear into deep blue." this kept me from swimming to far into the North Sea when I was younger.
19:46.50Wormy_lol
19:47.09MonetAnd by "two far" I mean "unable to touch the seabed and still breathe"
19:47.29Wormy_I don't normally swim far out at all
19:47.42Wormy_I'm afraid of jellyfish :/
19:47.48Wormy_and sweeping currents
19:48.21Wormy_I have had near misses with jellyfish
19:48.32Wormy_Though I think they were of the none-stinging type
19:49.03MonetAt the time I may have been unaware that the closest I was closer to Norway than I was the continenetal shelf.
19:49.20Monetthat i was closer to Norway than I was t othe continental shelf*
19:51.28MonetI used ot have books on the ocean
19:52.12Wormy_still, quite deep
19:52.40Wormy_Scarily, I learned that cliffs in the sea can cause downsweeping currents that can drag divers down
19:52.56Wormy_There is a way to escape though, by swimming horizontally away
20:08.50Wormy_Vampire stars are a little creepy http://phys.org/news/2015-04-nustar-captures-zombie-stars.html
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22:22.50HachimanExternalizer needs to stop fucking deleting those threads
22:24.06MonetDeleting from his wall is one thing
22:24.25MonetDeleting from other peopels' walls? Now that's uncalled for.
22:24.44OluapPlayerHe only deletes conversations he started
22:24.50OluapPlayerI personally don't see an issue
22:25.10MonetHe may think the conversations are done and that they are not needed, but what if the other person wants to keep record?
22:28.10TechnobliteratorYou should not remove talk page content unless it is vandalism
22:28.42OluapPlayerWatching you get salty about it amuses me greatly hur
22:28.56MonetI was fine with what he was doing until he started deleting convos he started on other peoples' message walls.
22:31.29TechnobliteratorEven deleting from his own wall is wrong
22:31.34TechnobliteratorBut less wrong
22:58.42Wormy_It was our policy not to.  But unfortunately Wikia has provided the ability for him to remove them, and so we may no longer have a rule against it.  This is another case of how bad wikia'a lstest updates are.
22:59.30TechnobliteratorWormy_, that's not true
22:59.44TechnobliteratorWe can have a rule against it regardless of what Wikia allowed
22:59.51Wormy_I'm indifferent to him removing stuff from his own wall.  Though removing them others isn't good.
23:00.12TechnobliteratorThey added the feature specifically so a user can remove spam or harassment
23:00.46Wormy_I don't see why we need an archive of his personal messages though
23:00.56Wormy_I'm not too bothered about it
23:01.39TechnobliteratorBecause all discussion that occurred on the wiki should be recorded on the wiki, because it is bad courtesy to remove good-faith messages, and because you do not own your message wall - the wiki owns it
23:02.32Wormy_Other than that, it doesn't really cut to the core why he is obligated to keep messages.  There needs to be a stronger reason for me why we need to archive message walls these days.
23:03.02Wormy_I can understand the archival of talk pages back in the day when we were mostly discussing maintenance
23:03.30TechnobliteratorIf a staff member tells you not to do something, for instance
23:03.30Wormy_Like you said, its not an official rule of wikia
23:03.36TechnobliteratorYou should not remove that message
23:04.40TechnobliteratorAnd you should not decide what messages stay on someone else' talk page, either
23:05.13Wormy_I'll give you that, at the minimum keeping such staff messages or ones important for the wiki as a whole.
23:05.50Wormy_And I'll agree he shouldb't be removing other people's
23:06.46Wormy_Externalizer should listen to us too, he is being rather rude.
23:07.41TechnobliteratorExactly
23:08.32TechnobliteratorIt's an unwritten rule, but we should write it
23:10.17Technobliteratorhm
23:10.44Technobliteratormaybe removing notices you add to your own message wall should be allowed
23:16.18MonetWormy_: Watching a video on the Dust Wars and it makes me wonder if Morphis would ever end up in a similar direction.
23:17.18MonetWith its increased use and borader scope, more and more imperial citizens have personal Morphis colonies that give them all kinds of an edge in life due to the modifications it makes to a host's body cells.
23:20.16Wormy_Indeed
23:20.47Wormy_I can see that happening
23:21.24Wormy_Perhaps a whole "nanocology" is evolving from the use of bio nanotech
23:21.49Wormy_And will evolve in its own ways in the future
23:22.48MonetThough unlike Dust, Morphis isn't designed to interface with other colonies.
23:23.38TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, since you're the only only admin I haven't checked with yet, what is your opinion on the talk page removal thing? Is it just that you have no issue with people removing their own messages/messages on their own talk pages?
23:24.33MonetI tried to consider a divide between pro- and anti- Morphis in Morphis RIsing.
23:26.39MonetBut i lost momentum when I wondered how to move forward
23:36.49OluapPlayerSorry I'm in a game
23:36.54OluapPlayerAnd yes that's how I see it
23:37.00Technobliteratornp
23:37.02Technobliteratoralright
23:37.14TechnobliteratorI'll check with random and ghel before I add it to the rules page
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