| 00:01.09 | Comrade_Vinny | How to act british: http://img.memerial.net/memerial.net/5875/prince-william-celebrate-peasants.jpg |
| 00:42.13 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 00:42.19 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 00:42.19 | infobot | from memory, test is not funny |
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| 03:55.11 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 03:55.39 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 07:01.35 | AdmiralPanda | so I just had a rather interesting discussion about alignment in D&D, and it made me realise why applying the biaxial alignment system to the sporewikiverse is silly |
| 07:01.58 | AdmiralPanda | long story short, there's no set standard for what any of the alignments mean |
| 07:03.37 | AdmiralPanda | in Golarion for example (one of the "default" D&D settings), if you want to know what evil is you go point at a daemon. If you want to know what good is, an agathion. If you want to know what order and chaos are, Inevitables and Proteans respectively |
| 07:04.16 | AdmiralPanda | because we don't have any equivalent set in stone here, using the G/E/L/C system loses its integrity and generally falls a bit flat |
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| 07:04.43 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 07:06.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 07:06.10 | Wormy_ | Out of these I find the last three most likely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPG4vE03094 |
| 07:06.38 | Wormy_ | Though they are all survivable expect number 5 |
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| 07:15.52 | Ghelae | AdmiralPanda: There are demons that would be widely thought of as evil in the SporeWikiverse, but I suppose they're more significant in the fantasyverse, and in either case it's less obvious what to assign the other three characteristics too. |
| 07:16.03 | Ghelae | Wormy_: We could all move to Antarctica. :P |
| 07:16.30 | AdmiralPanda | Thing is though, even those demons are "widely thought of" rather than "universal laws of reality" flavour evil |
| 07:17.08 | Wormy_ | I believe Antactica will be used o build cities on one day. And Greenland |
| 07:17.09 | AdmiralPanda | like in the aforementioned example, the definitions of the alignments existed before there were mortals with the ability to be classified under an alignment |
| 07:17.14 | Ghelae | So it's a matter of a lack of objective morality? |
| 07:17.55 | Ghelae | Wormy_: Also, I think I've finished off the outline for the physics part of tech tree. You might have some better ideas as to what to put in the earth+space science section. |
| 07:18.08 | AdmiralPanda | basically, yeah. Objective morality allows for that sort of categorical alignment system to work, while still keeping the subjective morality that happens with subjectively moral people |
| 07:18.37 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.00 | Ghelae | That sounds like a very violent bus driver. |
| 07:19.26 | Ghelae | The closest thing I've seen to a statement of objective morality in the SporeWikiverse is a declaration that the Xhodocto are beyond it. |
| 07:19.43 | Wormy_ | They are rather mean sometimes but that was overkill |
| 07:21.17 | Wormy_ | If there's an objective morality few seek it |
| 07:21.23 | Wormy_ | in the SporeWikiverse |
| 07:21.47 | Wormy_ | Ghelae: I'll have a look |
| 07:26.30 | Ghelae | We could probably agree on an objective morality for the fantasyverse if we discussed it; there's no pretence of Caligaduro being True Neutral, for example. |
| 07:27.06 | Ghelae | But your original point, that good vs. evil, chaos vs. order are poorly defined in this wiki's fictions, does seem correct. |
| 07:27.20 | Wormy_ | I have a few things to add, which I will do later |
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| 07:31.12 | Liquid_Ink | What is wrong with this internet? |
| 07:45.59 | Wormy_ | bbl |
| 08:00.58 | Liquid_Ink | Did I spread a plague? |
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| 10:07.16 | Hachiman | Hai |
