IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150426

00:01.07Externalizer_ficAnd there goes everyone.
00:01.29Comrade_VinnyStill here :)
00:03.01Externalizer_ficWhoo
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00:06.46Comrade_VinnyWe are messing a bit with the Andisium miners
00:06.55Externalizer_fic?
00:07.12Externalizer_ficU MESIN WIF MAH BAC
00:07.26Externalizer_ficIL SHANK YOO TEN
00:07.37Comrade_Vinnyhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Andasium
00:07.38The_Randomnessu wot
00:07.41Comrade_VinnyIt's our oil
00:07.50Comrade_VinnyAnd I just did some maths here...
00:08.11Comrade_VinnyWe are mining 7.525 tons and refining 8.562 tons...
00:08.35Comrade_VinnyWe would need to mine 15% more (for 8.654) to meet de demand
00:08.48Externalizer_ficCharles edited it last 5 days ago.
00:09.14Comrade_Vinny5 days is not that much :)
00:10.15Externalizer_ficI found a good-ish Human template
00:10.18Externalizer_fichttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9Ecsxj5JVEkt97ZhtKRFoqyOz36F9EqlzNxbGfWHeJP9I42JE-hJtQmdne7BhUPqgxGEj9U=s85
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00:11.12TekDroidHello
00:11.26Externalizer_ficHey
00:11.33GD12Hello
00:11.45GD12o lots of people on
00:12.09Externalizer_ficDon't be fooled
00:12.15Externalizer_ficThey aren't talking
00:16.38Comrade_VinnyNO GD!
00:16.42Comrade_VinnyStay with me!
00:16.45Comrade_VinnyStay alive!
00:16.56Externalizer_fic2 minutes late Comrade. he ded
00:17.31Externalizer_ficfile:///C:/Users/Marc/Pictures/ysl4Jss.png
00:17.53Comrade_VinnyErro 404: Link not found
00:17.58Externalizer_fic...
00:18.11Externalizer_ficHm. Probably since it's a computer link
00:18.26Comrade_VinnyThat would be why
00:19.10Externalizer_fichttp://imgur.com/hpQkqU5
00:20.12Comrade_VinnyRealise is missing his left arm -> Realise is missing his left hand -_-
00:32.08TekDroidO.o
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00:35.29Cyrannianello
00:35.58TekDroidhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Some_problems_with_spore - Any admins here?
00:36.45Technobliteratorwell, one just joined :p
00:37.03Cyrannianded'd
00:37.14TechnobliteratorI'm on a phone so I'll leave it to-oh nvm
00:37.17Technobliterator:p
00:37.40TekDroidAnonymous user so we couldn't even leave a response. :P
00:38.12Technobliteratoruh
00:38.15Technobliteratoryou can
00:38.27Technobliteratoranon users have talk pages like any user
00:38.37Externalizer_ficCyrannian, I asked if I could use your Terran Humans as a template, and you haven't responded.
00:39.29CyrannianYes, yes, I'm getting to it
00:41.45CyrannianResponded
00:42.36Externalizer_ficThank you.
00:50.41OluapPlayer~kick Cyrannian
00:50.41infobotACTION kicks Cyrannian
00:51.58Cyrannian~hug OluapPlayer
00:51.58infobotACTION hugs OluapPlayer
00:52.24OluapPlayerAre you free from the clutches of college yet?
00:54.12CyrannianAlas, I have three more assignments to complete. :< I was going to respond to your tweet BTW, but the one you made previously about Gaben broke my mind
00:56.28Technobliteratoroh, you're nearly done with college?
00:56.48Technobliteratorlucky, I am done this June...and I'm terrified
00:56.52Technobliterator:'(
00:58.27CyrannianNgh, do you have many exams?
00:59.34OluapPlayerYou're not aware of Valve's current shenanigans then
00:59.43OluapPlayerLet's just say Gabe went full retard this week
01:00.31TechnobliteratorCyrannian, I have 4 exams and 1 resit, though most was coursework this year
01:04.11CyrannianHopefully it'll be over before you know it
01:05.44Technobliteratorpart of me wants it over, other part of me never wants to take those exams
01:06.00Technobliteratorso much is resting on them because they decide whether I get to uni or not
01:07.54CyrannianWhat subjects are they in?
01:11.43TechnobliteratorMusic Tech, Philosophy and History
01:11.54TechnobliteratorThe latter two are fun, the former, not so fun
01:11.57Technobliteratorwhat about you?
01:13.36AeoCurrently working diligently to make the Aeoneonatrix's religion page as terrifying as it can be.
01:14.02CyrannianThis semester my modules are: Politics in Action, Genocide and Social Darwinism, Early Modern Europe, Revolution and Counter Revolution in Ireland and Community Development, which are lumped into either Politics or History
01:20.26CyrannianAnd yes, most of them are as boring as they sound
01:21.39Technobliteratorheh
01:21.53Technobliteratorgood luck :o
01:22.19OluapPlayeru need to get bak here so we can do our plots of plotification
01:26.27Cyrannianaye, hopefully I'll be free after next week
01:27.44Comrade_Vinnytest
01:28.15OluapPlayerAfter next week
01:28.17OluapPlayerdats 2 long
01:31.25Cyrannianyus it makes be sadfaic
01:31.58OluapPlayerI think you already know Dino returned recently
01:33.33CyrannianIndeed, it's good that he's back
01:44.33TekDroidO.o https://imgur.com/gallery/0CCsvqg
01:44.40TekDroidNOPE.
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02:34.21Wormy_STOTechnobliterator:  They might be hidden quite well
02:34.46TechnobliteratorI haven't had much of a look
02:36.40Wormy_STOgoodnight
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03:10.10AeoSo, undedicated Aeoneonatrix can no longer be police officers or serve in the military.
03:10.56Tek0516~test
03:10.56infobotwell, test is not funny
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03:12.03TekDroidWhoops. I was browsing imgur on mobile data. >.>
03:12.03AeoThe thing about the military is more disturbing to me despite that being probably the least eggregious thing the Aeoneonatrix do to the undedicated.
03:13.15TekDroid~test
03:13.15infobottest is probably not funny
03:14.24TekDroidSo religious restrictions on military service?
03:18.23AeoYes. Why would you want someone who rejects the god who is your entire purpose in life and the entire purpose of your military to join it? Why should someone unpoliced by the Cleanser, the benevolent guide to all Aeoneonatrix, be given a liscence to kill? For all we know, he'll just start gunning people down.
03:19.23TekDroidContextually it does make sense.
03:20.08AeoAnd, of course, because of this, the Aeoneonatrix military is extremely ethical and no member of it is corrupt by Aeoneonatrix standards. (Except for Owler, but he's special.)
03:21.52AeoThat's what you have to remember about the rite of dedication. It gives them a society which does not contain many of our ills. Crime is microscopic. Corruption isn't a thing. Big business leaders are all ethical.
03:23.06AeoDoes that make it right? Meh, I'm inclined to think so for the most part, as much as they unsettle me, though I can think of respects in which I have no hesitation in saying they should improve.
03:29.14TekDroidEthics are always an interesting issue.
03:35.44AeoTekDroid: You know, I am planning on creating an Aeoneonatrix Philosopher character. Afkon might speak to him sometime, if you want.
03:36.30TekDroidI haven't used him for a long time. XD
03:37.14AeoIf he was in the Aeoneonatrix Empire when it dissapeared, he might have been warped to Andromeda with them.
03:39.26AeoSo... him being an Atheist, that's a pretty rude awakening.
03:40.52TekDroid"Welcome back to Farengeto. You were declared dead ten years ago."
03:43.16AeoThough the Afkon Report itself reflects a canonically outdated version of Aeoneonatrix religion. It's not impossible, but after examining the AE closely, most people wouldn't be able to deny the obviously supernatural things going on, most especially how the Aeoneonatrix often just know things about you.
03:45.15TekDroidWell denying that sort of supernatural stuff becomes null after making contact with the greater galaxy and learning about things like the annihilation.
03:48.15AeoBy the way, will the FR be willing to make an exception to their rule against foreign missionaries in their Empire and allow Cleanserists in?
03:48.30AeoBecause if they don't, a hissey fit will commence on the part of the AE.
03:56.50TekDroidI'll have to think about how they'll approach it. Maybe I'd have them amend the treaty from "foreign missionaries" to "missionaries of alien religions", appeasing factions like the Gargatorian Spodists while also giving rights to cleanserists (who would probably have followers across Delcath and it's origin is legally still technically within Farengeto space), but still satisfying those who want to keep alien missionaries from spreading foreign ones in
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03:57.55Tek0516[23:56] <TekDroid> I'll have to think about how they'll approach it. Maybe I'd have them amend the treaty from "foreign missionaries" to "missionaries of alien religions", appeasing factions like the Gargatorian Spodists while also giving rights to cleanserists (who would probably have followers across Delcath and it's origin is legally still technically within Farengeto space), but still satisfying those who wa
04:00.06AeoAwesome.
04:13.06Tek0516I should really get the first few section of the fiction I've been working on up soon.
04:15.38AeoWhat kind of fiction is it? Because I might like something to do that doesn't involve waiting for Monet to want to rp.
04:15.42AeoNo offense to him.
04:21.05Tek0516Well this one's largely an internal Farengeto one, though the current sections involves the Mardor, a contagion, and an ethics issue. I haven't decided on which ending for it I'll do though.
04:21.25AeoCould I possibly play the Mardor?
04:27.27Tek0516Not really much in terms of characters or RPing to it. It's less of a character thing and most of the Mardor that do show up are unconscious or in pain. Though you have final say in the ending, I won't elaborate yet though because spoilers. >.>
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07:51.58JepardiHi
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09:04.55Liquid_InkHey
09:05.33dino82_hello
09:05.36dino82_!
09:16.12dino82_how is alld oing
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09:21.20dromTribute to the human height dicussion we had last night: http://i.imgur.com/mTYBxrX.jpg?1
09:31.38dromWormy'd be proud: http://i.imgur.com/19Cxci3.png
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09:45.24GhelaeHello.
09:47.32dromCharles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/qnrBMF2.webm
09:47.35dromHello Ghelae
09:55.57dromGhelae Liquid_Ink: "that's not violent, he's just trying to install VLC into all those cars." :comment on a gif of a Baltimore protester smashing a car screen in with a traffic cone
09:56.27Liquid_InkProbably would have been better if you had the dif
09:56.30Liquid_Ink*gif
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11:35.31dromJo: Aw yiss... my #sporewiki log file is 6.7 MB big
11:38.04dromLooking for a gif. But the only keyword I remember is "and"
11:38.37dromImagine plowing through a 120 days worth of IRC texts just for a gif
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11:46.58drom*types in "and" as search keyword* -> 9434 matches
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11:58.18AdmiralPandahi all
11:59.10GhelaeHello.
12:00.14dromWhat am I doing with my life?
12:00.49dromWhy am I putting lot of my time on looking through a 6.7 MB big log file just for a gif I saw weeks earlier?
12:01.31dromAnd then realize that this isn't the only computer you use for IRC.
12:03.45GhelaeI have absolutely no idea why you're doing that either.
12:04.55dromI have a desire to rewatch the gif
12:05.16dromI tried using google. Nope.
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12:53.57Wormy_hi
12:54.38Comrade_VinnyHey!
12:54.43OluapPlayerHello
12:59.24dino82_:d
13:11.55Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/RcWgxmD
13:11.59Wormy_my dog likes it too
13:12.45Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/bFNWGmi
13:13.34OluapPlayerdat face
13:13.47OluapPlayerMy cat likes when you pet her in that region
13:13.57OluapPlayerI believe it's a thing all cats like though
13:14.56Wormy_My dog archeshis back as you do it
13:16.04Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/FRUoLcI
13:17.08OluapPlayerolol
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13:27.08Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/5f6Mn5f
13:27.28OluapPlayertree.png has stopped working
13:28.33MonetThose look liek plastic bags
13:30.10Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/YZaQAy3
13:30.20Monet"Better than trees hat starts to render three seconds after you crash into them." true
13:30.27Wormy_It has a sad story http://imgur.com/gallery/LRwfg
13:30.33OluapPlayerhur
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13:31.07HachimanHai
13:31.27MonetHi
13:31.53Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/4XVgRGJ
13:32.03OluapPlayer~cuddle Hachiman
13:32.03infobotACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy
13:32.03MonetWormy_: Sadly insecticides are rarely specific to perticular psecies
13:33.35Wormy_yep
13:37.52Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/eawaCE2
13:40.55MonetWHat's scary about the Google superhero is we've seen an Evil superman.
13:41.04MonetAnd he seems to crop up fairly often.
13:41.55Monethttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/19/google-dominates-search-real-problem-monopoly-data oh wait...
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13:44.57Wormy_"WEe live in the Google age"
13:45.18MonetIs it hilarious that I googled this?
13:45.32Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11182038_2171904692856709_2728048446995863970_n.jpg?oh=89d163d5e45f9f9b06e566573d81b8e4&oe=55D2CEF8&__gda__=1440484033_541a681275a14958a930886732ff518f "A pixelation error on the BBC’s big screen at Media City led to an unfortunate moustache for Farage..."
13:46.49MonetHachiman: My sides hurt really bad now!
13:46.56OluapPlayerhur
13:47.09OluapPlayerhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/29/Dracogonarious_Marine.png pew pew alligator
13:47.25HachimanOh neat
13:47.44MonetI like the addition of the combat knife
13:48.08HachimanVery good looking soldier that
13:48.16OluapPlayerhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/56/URC_and_Dracs_vs_Grox.png pew pew alligator undergoing pew pew
13:48.18Wormy_Hachi:  I can imagine everyoner in the town centre laughing
13:48.38HachimanCame out small
13:49.18HachimanJust got the big version up, that's a really impressive picture
13:49.45OluapPlayerThat fucking leg on the left though
13:49.50OluapPlayerInsectrox skipped leg day
13:50.04Hachimanolol
13:51.55OluapPlayerI have a soft spot for the Conqrix
13:52.20HachimanConqrix are pretty cool
13:52.27HachimanThat's why we included them in Chronicle hur
13:53.21OluapPlayerWe included them in Chronicle because otherwise there'd be no one for Khol to fight hur
13:55.22Wormy_Monet: Its funny how our politicians argue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32471755
13:55.54Wormy_It descended to a schoolyard scrap
13:56.57MonetI remember hearing yesterday that Cameron insulting the Lib Dems by quoting "box of chocolates" from FOrrest GUmp
13:57.10MonetNever mind the fact that most chocolate boxes these days tell you what's i nhtem lol
13:57.47Wormy_"Don;t just do was Linton says to you, come on Boris"
13:58.26dino82_nice marine Oluap
14:00.28GhelHello.
14:00.35Wormy_Mon:  Meanwhile in the US http://imgur.com/gallery/bFNWGmi
14:00.38Wormy_hi
14:00.41Monethttp://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82577000/jpg/_82577704_live8.jpg - that moment when the two are working out who is more smelly
14:01.27Comrade_VinnyIs that Rob Ford on the left?
14:08.47Wormy_Boris Johnson
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14:10.55Monethttp://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82577000/jpg/_82577706_live9.jpg this looks to me like a "trio of quirky"
14:11.16Wormy_Johnson might run for US President one day, as he was born in the US
14:11.17MonetThat or Androe Marr is thinking "what am I doing next to these oddballs?"
14:11.33Wormy_And we will have our rebel colony back in order
14:11.49MonetAnd holy crap does Ed's smile look awkward i nthat picture
14:12.30Wormy_He always looks awkard
14:12.41MonetCould be worse I guess
14:12.49MonetHe could have inherited the Brown Smile
14:12.59Wormy_I mean really https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1c8-e2IAAAHMxi.jpg:large
14:13.10Wormy_Is he an alien in a human costume?
14:13.28GhelAren't all politicians supposed to be aliens in human costumes?
14:13.35Wormy_http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/285x214/261549_1.jpg
14:14.00GhelHis must just be a lower-tech design.
14:14.20Wormy_lol
14:15.00Wormy_Maybe he is the result of a human costume factory going out of business and going into clearance.
14:15.00MonetALien - Sorry Edabaland but we're out of Alpha-grade disguises. You'll have ot settle for Zeta-grade.
14:16.02Wormy_What's going on there http://www.trendingcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/miliband_2286104b.jpg
14:16.40Wormy_alien gloop drizzling out http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/7/29/1311942414543/Ed-Miliband-nose-surgery-007.jpg
14:16.43MonetThey are speakign telepathically
14:17.46HachimanAy'Lemao tech needs a definite upgrade
14:33.13Hachiman~test
14:33.13infobotwell, test is not funny
14:33.16Hachimanfug
14:34.25OluapPlayerstop dis
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14:42.20HachimanHai Imp
14:42.28OluapPlayerHello
14:42.55ImperiosHiya
14:43.02ImperiosIs Charles_Murray active?
14:43.23HachimanDo not think so
14:43.43ImperiosDammit
14:44.44ImperiosAlright
14:47.17HachimanI am trying to think of a reason as to why the Khahurnim would be at odds with the Sovereignty
14:47.43HachimanAll I can think of for the moment is that the Drifting Tribes disliked how the Sovereignty had effectively enslaved mankind
15:13.02ImperieuxWormy_ OluapPlayer: https://2ch.hk/po/src/8706339/14300435873580.jpg u wot m8
15:13.25OluapPlayeru wayyt
15:13.48Wormy_A Saurosapien and a Zeta Reticulan
15:25.41Wormy_I just had an idea
15:26.03Wormy_Do you think a tech tree for the SporeWikiverse that correlates with the tier scale is a good idea?
15:26.16Wormy_A bit like what you get in 4X games
15:26.38HachimanHm maybe
15:26.55GhelIt might work as a rough guideline. As always, there are bound to be exceptions.
15:27.04OluapPlayerI think that'd be useful for technology impaired people
15:27.07OluapPlayerLike me
15:27.09Wormy_indeed
15:27.34MonetA number of those trees, especially in games like Civilization, Galactic Civilizations and Infinite Space, have more advanced technologies often being refinements of previous tech
15:27.39OluapPlayerMy body hurts every time I have to write a technology section
15:28.04GhelAlthough less useful and more work, similar tech trees for other fictional universes could allow us to better compare tiers between universes.
15:28.09GhelBut for now let's stick to the SporeWiki one.
15:28.10Wormy_I'm thinking of the axes being the physics behind the technology, and further you go from the centre, the higher you are up the tier scale
15:28.33Wormy_But it could work equally the other way
15:29.05MonetALthough me being nerdy I wonder if we should set up weapons tech guidelines. Not all turbolasers of the same size are created equally powerful.
15:29.30Wormy_http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/endlessspace/images/2/21/Galactic_warfare_technologies.png/revision/latest?cb=20120628170829
15:29.43Wormy_The Endless Space tech tree
15:30.16Wormy_Hm good point
15:30.29Wormy_Both Tier 3 and Tier 1 civs use turbolasers
15:31.05Wormy_I suppose the tree would look more at the the physics of the technology rather than its direct application, though it could link to those
15:32.19MonetBoth tiers do, but there seems ot be little indication as to how much diference in the technologies there are between the two civs' turbolasers.
15:32.33MonetAside form general tech level
15:33.23GhelFor that, we need to put into the tech tree what technologies it actually is that allow turbolasers to be more powerful.
15:34.13GhelIs it better power sources? Better plasma physics?
15:34.37MonetHence why I feel a bit nerdy for asking
15:35.00GhelAnyway, we can think about that when we get to it.
15:35.49GhelProbably better power sources.
15:35.54Wormy_Power sources would definately link.  Hypermatter decay powered turbolaser probably has more energy output than a fusion based one
15:36.28GhelShall we start on it now? By the nature of tech trees, we need to start growing them from the roots.
15:37.17Wormy_I'm interested in this from the point of the tier scale, the ways its built is to describe how a civilisation might ascend the power scales of the universe through colonisation and engineering.  So generally, a civilisation might become meastructural before it becomes hperspatial
15:37.32MonetBetter power sources, more sophisticated lenses and better understanding of beam physics are what come off the top of my head
15:37.42Wormy_yeah
15:38.25Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Technology_and_the_Theories_of_Everything
15:38.31GhelI think the "lenses" for particle beams are going to be the magnetic focusing technology, so higher-temperature superconductors will lead to that.
15:38.38Wormy_See how I classified it here?
15:38.39GhelThat could be lower than Tier 3.
15:40.15GhelBRB
15:41.24Wormy_Also, hyperspatial tree needs an alternative in universes where there is no hyperspace
15:41.36Wormy_Black hole technology may suffice
15:44.30MonetSOme of these technologies on the Endless Space tech tree are good followups
15:45.18MonetRadiation proofing -> focused plasma -> directed plasma
15:46.29Wormy_ES has some really good sci-fi concepts
15:46.55MonetI recall they *really* did some digging to find this stuff
15:46.56Wormy_took inspiration from it for some technologies
15:46.56HachimanI thought Elder Scrolls was not sci-fi
15:47.09Wormy_Endless Space hur
15:47.15HachimanOh right hur
15:47.30OluapPlayerya goofd up
15:47.52Wormy_I'm am fascinated that Endless Legend coexists in the same universe.
15:48.40Wormy_Watch this, its like fantasy meets sci-fi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc2Xn1y7rk8
15:50.47Wormy_I'd still like to make a fantasy setting one day, with magic being poorly understood tech
15:50.56GhelI don't think black hole tech is an alternative to hyperspace tech as the former still exists in the SporeWikiverse.
15:51.09GhelIn a hard sci-fi universe with no hyperspatial tech, then... tough for them.
15:51.29HachimanWe already have Koldenwelt hur
15:52.50GhelCome to think of it, how should we start making this? IRC isn't the best place to draw out a tech tree.
15:53.20Wormy_Well in universes without hyperspace, civs can still reach Tier 0 through "Tech limited" solution
15:54.13Wormy_Windows paint would make a rough sketch
15:54.32Wormy_But I advise that not be good for the actual tree
15:57.01Wormy_I suppose we could make the tree very roughly on the wiki as listings
15:57.15Wormy_What should the axes be?
15:58.43Wormy_I'm never sure whether to classify tech by physics or domain
15:58.47ImperieuxWhy do I always end up with naked women when I search for things on DeviantArt
15:58.59HachimanBecause it is DeviantArt
15:59.31GhelLet's just get some trees started and then we can classify them as appropriate.
15:59.43GhelA page on the wiki might be good so we can all edit it.
15:59.44MonetHmm
15:59.46Wormy_60% of it is naked women, 40% fandom, 10% good stuff
16:00.05Monet"energy useage" and "materials research"?
16:00.13Wormy_Under Project namespace or user subpage?
16:00.27MonetI mean the axes
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16:00.34Wormy_hi
16:00.49GhelawayI think a user subpage for a start. Then move it to project when it's more complete, if that seems like a good idea.
16:01.07Wormy_I'll start it then
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16:04.31Wormy_I'm sketching out several possibilities
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16:07.14dromHello
16:11.13dromGoddamn "StartsWith" not being too sensitive
16:12.09TekDroidlol
16:15.05OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Ice_Cube_Trials#Jol.27kiar:_Da_Best_Ways hurhurhur
16:15.17OluapPlayer~kick Hachiman Imperieux Technobliterator
16:15.17infobotACTION kicks Hachiman Imperieux Technobliterator
16:17.20dromTekDroid2: The to start first, it's supposed to read "keyname", but due to the technical insensitivity with char[] it picks the first one that matches the said condition. http://i.imgur.com/YU04Bna.png
16:20.16HachimanGood show, Jol'kiar is one of the best Leedas hur
16:30.31Wormy_Right this is what I've come up with so far http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Technology_tree
16:32.40Comrade_VinnyWhat is that Worm?
16:32.43MonetHmm. Would putting this on a forum help?
16:33.14Wormy_We are going to build a technology tech tree.
16:33.58Comrade_VinnyFor...?
16:34.49Wormy_The SporeWikiverse, of course.
16:35.27Wormy_I think I made the "by application" too big, after-all if this is meant to be visually represented that might be too many axes
16:35.31Comrade_VinnyLike a game? :)
16:35.33TekDroidHopefully we can avoid being too human-centric.
16:35.37Wormy_indeed
16:35.50Wormy_I put "alien" at the end
16:36.01MonetVinny: Wel lfor general use
16:36.26Wormy_Any with statistical / abstraction / information mighbt incolude very divergent technologies
16:37.11Wormy_Personally I like the "By manifestation" and "By scale" ones
16:37.59MonetI kind-of like "by process"
16:38.20MonetIt puts application into practical perspective
16:38.57Comrade_VinnyI vote Process too
16:39.07Wormy_Yeah, that's based on Ghelae's classification http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AGhel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff%2FFull#Applied_Technology
16:40.20Wormy_One could have something like process or scale, then add in something like applied technologies as pathways
16:41.01MonetMore complex or intensive-to-produce technologies would be higher up o nthe scale.
16:41.08ImperieuxQui derange mon travail
16:41.11Imperieux...Oh
16:42.34ImperieuxOluapPlayer: Oh god that was actually quite badass
16:42.36ImperieuxAlso G-word
16:43.12Wormy_We can put it on a forum as soon as we have something to say about it :P
16:43.29Wormy_Lets wait and see what Ghelae thinks
16:43.35Wormy_Now I must go
16:43.45MonetAn alternative possibility is we could use the "application axes" to catergorise each branch, and then use one of the other axes for the actual trees
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16:50.31Wormy_awayThat's a possibility
16:50.41Wormy_awayActually there is another form we could use
16:51.30Wormy_awayIn Endless Space the tech relates to your gameplay.  In SporeWikiverse, the tech tree could relate to the habits of users in the tier scale
16:51.43Externalizer|?
16:51.47ExternalizerWhat is>
16:52.15Wormy_awayBTW do feel free to add to my subpage
16:52.57ExternalizerWormy_away: Could you tell me what you were talking about?
16:53.20Wormy_awayI'm in the middle of something, sorry
16:54.43MonetI'm slightly confused what you're suggesting. Are you suggesting the tech-tree could be categorised into user-inspired archetypes?
16:55.49ExternalizerI found this: http://the-all-powerful-grox.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Gort_the_Grox Mr. Gort finally did it.
16:56.24TekDroidHe did it about a month ago.
16:56.36Wormy_awayKinda
16:56.54ExternalizerHe did? I typed in "Grox wiki" and never found it.
16:56.58Externalizer4 dfays ago
16:57.19Wormy_awayColonisation, Exploration, Infrastructure, Warfare
16:58.08MonetActually that's a little better than my idea lol
16:58.12Wormy_awayExternalizer:  We are building a technology tree for SporeWikiverse and general sci-fi use.
16:58.28Wormy_awayfeel free to add it to the page though Monet
16:59.31MonetSo will this be a place ot collect the ideas or...?
17:00.09Wormy_awayCollect ideas until we decide on what the roots of the scale should be.
17:00.19ExternalizerWormy_away: Have you made a page to it? I would love to see it.
17:00.30Wormy_awayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Technology_tree
17:01.08Technobliteratoris kicked
17:01.10Technobliteratorwat
17:03.04OluapPlayerchek ice cube section
17:03.39ExternalizerTechnobliterator, y u kik urself
17:03.52ExternalizerWhelp, now my chance
17:04.03Externalizerkicks Technobliterator
17:04.08GhelawayWormy_away: I think most branches of the tech tree are likely to follow a combination of the "by physics" and "by application" systems.
17:04.20TechnobliteratorI could respond with a kick of my own
17:04.22Technobliterator:)
17:05.01Wormy_awayPerhaps (this is getting hard to express), a two axis system?
17:05.26GhelawayThat is, technologies can lead to new technologies unrelated in application but related in physics as unexpected offshoots, but can also lead to other technologies related in application but not so similar in physics by necessity.
17:05.38ExternalizerHmm...could some of the most advanced civilizations use attotech?
17:06.24Wormy_awayExternal: I'm doubtful of even femtotech
17:06.26MonetExternalizer: THat wouldcome under femotech most likely
17:06.38GhelawayI think we should get some actual branches done and then see which classifications work best for them. After all, real-world technological development works by actually developing the technology, not by fitting developments into some arbitrary system.
17:08.09GhelawayFor example, from researching quantum mechanics we branch to atomic physics, nuclear physics, condensed matter physics and particle physics.
17:08.21Wormy_awayYeah
17:08.55GhelawayFrom condensed matter physics we can branch to band theory, quasiparticles, and cryogenics. Band theory leads to electronics and then to computers etc., while cryogenics leads to superconductors, superfluids, etc...
17:09.31GhelawayWe also have to remember that theoretical physics isn't the best basis to classify technological developments from.
17:10.02GhelawayWhile chemistry, materials science and much of biology are in principle reducible to the Schrodinger equation, that's now how most advances are made in those fields in practice.
17:10.04Wormy_awayThough, we may have to for some of the conjectural to clarketech present
17:10.44GhelawayOh, yes; when we get to that kind of advanced technology, and even beforehand, theoretical physics *will* be the best basis to classify them.
17:10.54GhelawayBut for low-energy technologies, that's not in general the case.
17:10.59MonetA slight issue with "gamepaly" I guess is that technology developed for one branch could be more ocmmonly used in another; dynamite, for instance would have mainly fitted into infrastructure were it not used as grenades.
17:11.42Wormy_awayyeah
17:12.07Wormy_awayOne thing I thought the tree needs is nodes with lines connecting between them
17:12.24Wormy_awayThough that could be messy in hindsite
17:12.34GhelawayUltimately, yes. For both of those.
17:12.40OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: dum
17:12.45Technobliteratorwat
17:12.46OluapPlayerI wrote Jol'kiar's section
17:12.49Technobliteratoroh
17:12.52ExternalizerI'm still wondering, IF a civilization with a Kardashev scale of tier 5 (I doubt that will ever happen.) is that advanced to be in that tier, they should be able to utilize Attotech.
17:12.55Technobliterator1 moment
17:13.02Technobliteratorfinishing off a table then I'll read
17:13.25GhelawayIf attotech is possible within the laws of physics, then an advanced enough civilisation should be able to use it.
17:13.26Wormy_awayDo you mean Tier 1?
17:13.51GhelawayIf attotech isn't possible within then laws of physics, no civilisation, no matter how big and how many resources are at its disposal, can be advanced enough to use it.
17:14.08Wormy_awayAnything past Tier 2 is starting to use technologies at the very edge of our knowledge, and then beyond.
17:14.37ExternalizerWormy_away: No, I mean Tier 5. A scale where the civilization has energy worth of every  plane of reality, dimension, and universe, then they can play with the universe as much as they want.
17:14.54GhelawayType 5.
17:14.56Wormy_awayI think even precise femtotech is unlikely, based off of things like the Uncertainty principle and time limits.
17:15.06GhelawayKardashev scale uses "types", not "tiers".
17:15.16Externalizer*Type 5.
17:15.25GhelawayAnd I think it's usually written in Roman numerals too, but that's just being picky. :P
17:16.04ExternalizerThen again, attotech, based on what I've researched, is smaller than an atom. How can one make a robot from things smaller than atoms, I have no idea.
17:16.18GhelawayThat's part of the problem.
17:16.42ExternalizerGo to type 5: http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/the-kardashev-scale-type-i-ii-iii-iv-v-civilization/
17:16.43Wormy_awayIt is possible that an inter-universal civilisation might simulate a universe which allows for attotech, or enter one where physics allows it.  But thats an awful lot of trouble, likely they will using such things for far more grandiose projects.
17:16.54GhelawayAlthough it's not predicted to be possible, you can contrive a way for magnetic monopoles (if they exist) to be able to form atom-like structures, but how small they are depends on how heavy the monopoles are.
17:17.30GhelawayAnyway, I'll be having dinner soon and the whole family (well, eight of us and I think three dogs) are here, so I'm going to be inactive again for a while.
17:18.12GhelawaySome time later, possibly tonight (I'll be going back to Nottingham tomorrow now), I might come up with some basic branching structures and put them on the tech tree page, but if anyone wants to have a go before me I won't tell you not to.
17:18.14Wormy_awayOrions Arm did that, but with magmatter on the picoscale.
17:18.32GhelawayOrion's Arm was where I got the idea from, yeah.
17:18.38ExternalizerJudging what we are talking about, I think it would be dumb if I asked "Canz civs uze yoctotech??".
17:18.40Wormy_awayBrilliant, I look forward to it
17:18.57GhelawayExternalizer: you'd get the same answer.
17:19.09GhelawayIt's the same answer for anything smaller than nanotech.
17:19.22ExternalizerGhelaway: I don't think physics would allow yoctotech
17:19.24ExternalizerAt all.
17:19.37HachimanLuckily we have Essence which bypasses physics though
17:19.38HachimanSo
17:19.41GhelawayIt's when you get to the planck scale that you'll run into more fundamental problems with structure.
17:20.16ExternalizerYoctometers are the smallest form of meters.
17:20.21ExternalizerA yoctometre is equivalent to 1/100,000 the diameter of a proton or neutron
17:20.31Externalizer"Ay carumba"
17:20.33dino82_brb
17:20.59GhelawayAnd a planck length is about 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000 the diameter of a proton or neutron.
17:21.00Monet"Type V. Yes, Type V might just be the next possible advancement to such a civilization. Here beings would be like gods, having the knowledge to manipulate the universe as they please. " I think this guy might be overestimating at what level we could technically be considered gods.
17:21.13TekDroid^
17:21.19GhelawayJust because nobody needs a prefix smaller than "yocto-" doesn't mean that such scales are physically meaningless.
17:21.31Monetor is it underestimating?
17:21.43Externalizer^
17:21.52GhelawayDepends on what you consider "technically... gods".
17:21.58ExternalizerI think it would be fun if I could manipulate a universe to my will.
17:22.06TekDroidMonet: I'm pretty sure Type II could easily be considered as gods by a civilization of out tech level.
17:22.08MonetYeah the pwoer of a god is...very vague
17:22.13Ghelawaygoes to have dinner
17:22.14ExternalizerGelaway: KAMIK'SHI!
17:22.20MonetTekDroid: Agreed.
17:22.35TekDroidAnd Type III gas the full power of a galaxy.
17:22.36HachimanI believe it is more fun to acknowledge rules are in place and work to find loopholes in them in regards to the physics of the universe
17:22.41TekDroid*has
17:22.53HachimanRather than just outright breaking them
17:22.55Technobliteratorok lemme look
17:23.01ExternalizerType IIIII has the power to manipulate entire planes of reality.
17:23.06Externalizer*V
17:23.26MonetModern human civilisation already has the perception in soem very remote parts of the world.
17:23.27dromTekDroid: Finally wrote a "win-win" sensitive method that works. http://i.imgur.com/2Cs5Ee5.png
17:24.28Externalizerbrb
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17:25.40OluapPlayerspu
17:26.29ExternalizerBack
17:26.35Xhou
17:26.41XhoSo I have seen the new Avengers film
17:26.41Externalizer"Shit it's Spure"
17:26.56Externalizer*Spu
17:28.37HachimanGood or bad?
17:28.39TekDroidXho: Doesn't it not come out until Friday?
17:29.24Technobliteratoroooooh
17:29.31Technobliteratoryou fulfilled one of my requests :o
17:29.31XhoHachiman: I'd say it's on par with Guardians of the Galaxy
17:30.09XhoGuardians of the Galaxy may be slightly better than it but still it's one of the best of the Marvel films
17:30.37XhoUltron is a really good villain
17:31.18XhoComically sinister
17:31.38XhoHe's basically Tony Stark with a genocidal inclination
17:31.46Technobliteratoroh man
17:31.52TechnobliteratorI fucking loved that section too
17:32.04Technobliteratorso it's now Jol'kiar's massiv crew?
17:32.15MonetXho: Considering Comic Ultron's origins....that makes alot of sense.
17:32.25XhoAye
17:32.37XhoLoki is still the best villain I'd say
17:32.43XhoUltron comes close
17:32.53OluapPlayerHe can't lead it because he's too busy being a Leeda
17:33.03dino82_back
17:33.06OluapPlayerSo he left the Boyz to get a new leader for themselves in the old way
17:33.12OluapPlayeraka kill each other, whoever survives is boss
17:33.24MonetThough it does amittedly see mto reinforce this idea thet sympathy is a largely human quality.
17:33.35TekDroidYeah
17:33.38Technobliteratorhm fair enough
17:33.45ImperieuxXho: Ultron is cool but he was introduced ridiculously quickly
17:34.02XhoI dunno I think it went smoothly
17:34.05XhoExcept for Vision
17:34.08MonetThere are just...so many evil and heartless AIs in fiction it's rather suspicious.
17:34.09XhoI think he was a little rushed
17:34.11TechnobliteratorWormy_away, any idea what that anon was on about? 0.0
17:34.15Technobliteratorand was it Chantal or Spartian?
17:34.24Imperieux"Hi, you're a sentient iPhone" "I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE"
17:34.35ImperieuxThat's basically how Ultron was introduced
17:34.42TekDroid...is Ultron really already out for all of you? It doesn't come out over here until Friday. >.<
17:34.51ImperieuxOut a few days ago
17:34.51XhoLooks like it
17:35.03ImperieuxWith Vision it was basically the same
17:35.17Imperieux"Hi, you're a sentient Samsung" "FOR THE GREATER GOOD"
17:35.30HachimanWhy program an AI for sympathy when a majority of AI are programmed for managing tasks#
17:35.43TekDroidGoddamnit 'Murica. Screwing Canada over with your media hype.
17:35.45XhoArtificial intelligence is the key word
17:35.49MonetTekDroid: if it helps, I don't think I'll be able to see it until Friday or Saturday.
17:36.08ImperieuxAlso I just realised something
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17:36.28Quark8Hello.
17:36.29ImperieuxUltron is elegant, organic-looking, monochrome and made by an American
17:36.50TekDroidHail Steve Jobs!
17:36.50MonetImperieux: DIdn't you talk aobut this last night?
17:36.54ImperieuxYes
17:36.54MonetOhwait
17:36.57ImperieuxI just like to repeat it
17:36.59ImperieuxTo Xho
17:37.14XhoHeh
17:38.01ImperieuxWhile Vision is more brightly coloured and not as elegant, less oppressive, and is made by a Korean
17:38.11Imperieux(but is operated by an American AI)
17:38.53ImperieuxThere should be an indestructible Finnish AI
17:38.59XhoNO DEAR GOD NO
17:39.18XhoTHE LANGUAGE TERRIFIES ME
17:39.51Externalizerikr
17:39.56ImperieuxThe Nokiator
17:40.00Externalizer"
17:40.32ImperieuxBTW are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch called mutants in English?
17:40.32Externalizer"The giant indestructible robot with missile and chaingun arms doesn't scare me, the language does."
17:40.52MonetReadign the article Externalizer linked, the final line makes me wonder if abolishing war is really a requirement for reaching Type I and II.
17:41.09MonetWar is, in essence, competition.
17:41.09ExternalizerWHOSEDMAHNAME
17:41.32ExternalizerOh it's monet
17:42.21TekDroidAny kimd of competition could be said to be war.
17:42.43XhoYeah mutants
17:42.59XhoThough by the looks of it the X-Men don't exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
17:43.06MonetThen there's some suggestion that a society that abolishes war for a long time gets utterly kicked in the teeth by some random big nasty.
17:44.01MonetXho: They could be there and simply not mentioned
17:44.22TekDroidAs long as there are finite quantities of something competition is inevitable.
17:44.29MonetIgnoring that those two are Magneto's kids is a *big* divergance from the comics.
17:44.54XhoTrue
17:45.05MonetPlus didn't Quicksilver appear in Days of Future Past?
17:45.10XhoYeah
17:45.16XhoCertainly not the same character
17:46.06XhoBut I don't see the X-Men making an appearance in the Cinematic Universe
17:46.13XhoIt's own franchise is somewhat massive
17:46.19XhoIts*
17:46.22XhoStupid English
17:46.30MonetTo be fair, there is a 50-year difference between AoU and DofP uicksilver.
17:46.44Xhoyup
17:47.19MonetThough it does make one wonder hwo frickin old Magneto is by now.
17:47.21XhoThe next X-Men film's gonna be a good one
17:47.24Monethow*
17:47.25XhoOne hopes
17:47.33XhoGood point
17:47.47XhoHe was like 10 years old in in the 1940's
17:47.50XhoAt least
17:48.02MonetWhich makes him 85 today
17:48.14XhoAnd isn't Days of Future Past set in the future as well
17:48.14MonetAnd DoFP was set in what, 2020? 2030?
17:48.26Xho2025 I think or somewhere around there
17:48.31XhoBut yeah old
17:48.52Monet95 years old and still god of magnets.
17:49.01OluapPlayerFre'kloar's section is being made
17:49.07XhoI imagine having power over metal gives you the ability to regulate your body at some degree
17:49.21MonetMaybe.
17:49.26OluapPlayerAnd I'll just say, Dalverat is not the only named character who will die in this plot
17:49.33TekDroidHe definitely has to be older than the actor, since he was born in 1939
17:49.50TekDroidIan McKellen, that is
17:49.59XhoWell Ian McKellen has played characters older than himself
17:50.05XhoI mean look at Gandalf
17:50.11MonetTrue
17:50.23MonetBut Gandalf is immortal so does that still count?
17:50.26Xhoyup
17:50.36XhoHe played Dracula as well I think
17:51.51XhoOr maybe not
17:51.55XhoI know Christopher Lee did
17:52.13MonetI was going to say. You were probably thinking of CHristopher Lee
17:53.02XhoOh right I'm getting it because he played Dracula in a Pet Shop Boys music video
17:53.08XhoDoesn't really count
18:03.06dino82_:D
18:04.09Externalizer_ficOh, hey Dinoman
18:04.43dino82_hello Externalizer
18:04.45dino82_how are you doing
18:07.37Externalizer_ficGood.
18:07.45dino82_great to hear
18:09.22XhoI think I'm gonna try and make a new character stats system
18:09.35XhoI'm not gonna make it canon though
18:09.37XhoOr widespread
18:10.10OluapPlayerhow bout u go write sanguine promenade u fatty
18:11.25Externalizer_fic?
18:11.34Xhoi do wat i want             eet soap
18:11.40Externalizer_ficoluap u jakas
18:11.56dino82_lol
18:12.12ImperieuxFuck sake I am finally done with French
18:12.26Xhoheh
18:12.31XhoFrench is an interesting language
18:12.39XhoEspecially its number system
18:12.43ImperiosIt is painful
18:12.44OluapPlayergud now go write Prophet Stone
18:13.07ImperiosIt is literally from Babylon
18:13.08ImperiosOr Egypt
18:13.16XhoI think I'm gonna base this on something like our tier system
18:13.29XhoOr like the Power Grid for Marvel characters
18:15.02XhoSo like a Class 1 would be weak as fuck and then Class 10 would be godly
18:15.07XhoAnd then every other thing in between
18:15.20XhoI dunno whether it will go up to 10
18:15.24Xho11 heh
18:15.34XhoGotta see how it progresses
18:15.44XhoWhich reminds me
18:16.05XhoImperios: You haven't answered/I haven't seen your answer to the question about whether you have seen my Skaurovirn language chart
18:16.15ImperiosI have
18:16.28ImperiosBut I think it was bugged
18:16.43XhoBugged in what way
18:16.54OluapPlayerit had boogs
18:16.57OluapPlayerscuttle scuttle
18:17.33Wormy_awayTechnobliterator:  I thought it was Goruto, who I'm not going to ive the pleasure of him making me block him.  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Goruto
18:19.09Externalizer_ficGrr.....if the cross-wiki drama doesn't stop soon, I am going to firebomb the FNaF wiki--hard.
18:19.25XhoDon't do that
18:19.29XhoIt looks bad on us
18:19.36XhoAnd then we'll have to permaban you for doing that
18:19.49Externalizer_ficDamnit.
18:21.18Wormy_away"No cross-wiki drama" is mutual.
18:21.44XhoHm
18:21.59XhoI'm gonna use the old stats system and build on that I think
18:22.44XhoIt seems like the most useless one to me
18:22.44XhoCan someone elaborate on what Toughness was again
18:23.02TekDroidPhysical strength?
18:23.26TekDroidWasn't there a page or something on it?
18:23.51Externalizer_ficXho: I think toughness was how  tough the guy is, like, how much punishmentt he can take before dying.
18:23.55Externalizer_fic*breaking
18:24.09XhoStrength had its own stats
18:24.19OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Stats
18:25.18XhoExplains it I guess
18:25.24XhoNot well enough but it explains it
18:25.33MonetToughness was a body's durability I think
18:25.44MonetArmouring
18:26.00TekDroid" Survivability is how well something can resist damage, both in how well it can resist the energy itself without any physical effects besides armour damage (toughness), and how well it can survive having damage incurred (health/hull)."
18:26.59XhoI could of course do this based on exponentials
18:27.09XhoSo a Class 2 could be ten times stronger than a Class 1
18:27.10XhoOr twice as
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18:27.35The_RandomnessHello
18:27.44dino82_hellowz
18:28.04ImperiosI don't think stats are needed that much unless we make an RPG game or something
18:28.04XhoSo a Class 10 would be 10,000,000,000 times stronger than a Class 1 if we were working on 10s
18:28.06XhoHi
18:28.08ImperiosOr a TBS
18:28.10XhoImperios: Just for fun
18:28.12ImperiosOr a mod for Civ V hur
18:28.14ImperiosHi Random
18:28.45XhoI dunno I'll work it out
18:29.02ImperiosI still think we ought to make a SporeWiki mod for Civ V
18:31.02XhoXimicacan - ME! ME! ME!
18:31.24XhoActually I can't be bothered to work on this system right now
18:31.26XhoToo late in the day
18:32.23ImperiosMonet: Alyona showed me some FNaF stuff yesterday
18:32.44ImperiosApparently the same artists and musicians who once worked on MLP fan music and art now moved on to FNaF
18:33.06MonetFandoms are fleeting
18:33.16XhoYeah I noticed that on DA
18:33.27XhoGmod pony art turned into Gmod FnaF art almost instantly
18:33.31XhoI actually miss the pony art
18:34.05ImperiosI now get the mental image of ponies' bodies literally being ripped apart as robot teddy bears jump from them, Alien-style
18:34.58MonetEwww
18:35.14ImperiosOr... what is FNaF about exactly?
18:35.29ImperiosRobot bears, right?
18:35.31MonetThat's what this fandom has done
18:36.27OluapPlayerHaunted animal-themed robots
18:40.52XhoImperios: https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11180324_10153239060245903_7347495406219000772_n.jpg?oh=f832a5f1181cc889bac93eae328732f2&oe=559ED2DD
18:46.32Externalizer_ficXho: What. The. Fuck.
18:46.49XhoYour fault for clicking on it
18:47.37Externalizer_ficI DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT WAS!
18:52.04OluapPlayerolol
19:00.08OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Ice_Cube_Trials#Fre.27kloar:_Da_One_and_Only THE LAST TRIAL
19:00.31Technobliteratorfirst half by me, latter half by Oluap
19:02.53Externalizer_ficThe Ice Cube trials are FINALLY done?
19:03.53OluapPlayerThere's still the ending to do
19:07.10XhoThe ending is actually just Fre'kloar saying "DA END NAO STOP REEDIN' YA LOSA"
19:07.44The_Randomnessheh
19:08.27dino82_done updating
19:08.51dino82_shall be leaving again
19:08.52dino82_bye all
19:08.54dino82_till next time
19:08.55dino82_:D
19:09.30XhoHez - oh goddammit now I have to get another royal fool
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19:09.52HachimanOluapPlayer: Good chapter that was
19:10.11HachimanI honestly thought that during both battles Fre'kloar was gonna end up dying
19:11.41OluapPlayerhur
19:12.40OluapPlayerHe got close to
19:12.53OluapPlayerAnd I should say the fight with Ref'kolar was inspired by Bloodborne hur
19:12.56HachimanThat was really tense I will say
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19:12.59HachimanOh wow hur
19:13.06HachimanHello Zilla
19:13.24Zillafire101Hello all.
19:13.29Externalizer_ficHey.
19:13.37XhoShould've had a section where the Loron had to retrieve Kalcedia's clothes from Kithworto's bedroom
19:13.47XhoKithworto has not been in that room since
19:13.49OluapPlayerKithworto - you're doing me a favour really
19:14.00ImperiosOluapPlayer: I got some Joker vibes from this
19:14.41Hachimanhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/cd/Aharon_Shahvir.png/revision/latest?cb=20150426175647 In case anyone is interested I made a Jewish marauder girl
19:14.43OluapPlayerDidn't really have the Joker in mind
19:14.51HachimanYeah Ref reminds me a bit of the Joker
19:14.57HachimanWell, reminded me even hur
19:15.36ImperioshI zILL
19:15.44ImperiosAharon Shahvir
19:15.48ImperiosThat name
19:15.56Imperios*Zionism intensifies*
19:16.10HachimanSurprise surprise, Khahurnim names are inspired by Hebrew ones hur
19:16.30HachimanElron shi Keidar-Bhandari and Aharon sha Yaheli-Shahvir were not enough clues hur
19:16.52ImperiosYes but that was like super-Zionist
19:17.00ImperiosMostly because it sounds like mangled Ariel Sharon
19:17.26HachimanOluapPlayer Technobliterator: I'm rather curious as to who the winner of the Trialz is
19:17.33ImperiosOh god I use "Zionist" to describe Jewishness
19:17.33OluapPlayerYou'll see
19:17.40HachimanI have a feeling it is either Knar'gank or Fre'kloar
19:17.45ImperiosI must have been spent too much time on /pol/
19:17.46TechnobliteratorHachiman, if anything he's more like Laughing Octopus and Kefka
19:17.52TechnobliteratorI actually used a Kefka line in there >:D
19:17.54OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtj19enwgSE and this is what inspired the fight
19:18.03HachimanYeah I did get Laughing Octopus memories from that fighty
19:18.07ImperiosKill me if I try heiling Hitler and killing all immigrants
19:18.07Hachimanfight even
19:18.31HachimanOluapPlayer: And you tell me I am obsessed with Bloodborne hur
19:19.05Externalizer_ficOluapPlayer: What the fuck is that thing
19:19.19HachimanExternalizer_fic: That is a werewolf
19:19.33Externalizer_ficHachiman: Oh. I see.
19:19.46Zillafire101Jezuz! It looks like something from JC's The Thing.
19:20.07HachimanA werewolf that has torn its own skin off due to depravation of blood
19:20.20OluapPlayerYep
19:20.57Externalizer_ficIt looks like something that's been infected with this crap: http://prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Blacklight_virus
19:21.16Xhostupid dog
19:21.42HachimanCourage the Cowardly Werewolf
19:21.59Zillafire101Oh, well that's...grimdark.
19:22.39HachimanBloodborne is probably the darkest game From Software has made
19:23.25HachimanOr at least it is dark in a way that is different from the more subtle style of the Souls games
19:26.42Externalizer_ficImperios, it looks lke you forgot to edit the Outworld
19:28.31Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Ice_Cube_Trials#Da_Winna :O
19:28.37Technobliteratorbrb 1 sec
19:28.40XhoImp forgets to edit a lot of things
19:29.14OluapPlayerTHE ICE CUBE TRIALS IS DONE
19:29.23Xhoyuy
19:29.46OluapPlayeru didnt even reed
19:29.47ImperiosOf course
19:30.38ImperiosTrolling
19:34.08HachimanOh wow
19:34.20XhoI bet it was a good story but I find the Loron's text incredibly hard to follow
19:34.24HachimanThe Geek is kind of an asshole hur
19:34.31HachimanBut that was very clever I will say
19:34.45HachimanAlso I have a feeling that Rel'larutina and Geek are <3
19:35.01OluapPlayerThey're probably best friends yes
19:35.09Hachimannot wat i ment dumbo
19:35.09OluapPlayerThey're the only two females in the Leedas
19:35.40HachimanSo from now on Da Rogue Boyz will be more active?
19:35.48OluapPlayerYes
19:35.56ImperiosThe fact that Lorons are both ridiculously chavvishly manly and a feminist fantasy is actually somewhat funyn
19:35.58OluapPlayerThat was the Geek's plan from the beginning
19:36.17OluapPlayerMake them stop slacking and get back to actvity
19:37.43HachimanAny plans for what the next part of their saga will be?
19:37.59OluapPlayerNot really
19:39.04ImperiosHm
19:39.13ImperiosGimme any good theme music for Javina and the Prophet Stone
19:39.58OluapPlayerXimicacam war theme
19:40.12OluapPlayerAnswer is always XIMICACAM
19:40.16HachimanThe Next Episode ft. Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg
19:40.29Hachimanaka smoke weed erryday
19:41.25OluapPlayerChronices of Ayy LMAO: Fre'kloar Weedtastic Quest
19:41.32OluapPlayerFre'kloar's*
19:41.47ImperiosFor some reason I thought of somehow giving Montezuma's animations to Harun al-Rashid and slightly reskinning him
19:42.00ImperiosThat way we'll have Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in Civ V
19:43.45TechnobliteratorThe Saga is over
19:43.50HachimanFre'kloar's Bizarre Trip
19:43.51TechnobliteratorThis will be a new trilogy
19:44.12OluapPlayerMay be if it happens
19:44.37OluapPlayerI'm not making promises when there is no plot in mind hur
19:45.09dromImperios: Reminds me of Morocco
19:45.31dromUnless it is him, he has got similar and long name.
19:46.35Imperiosdrom: Not him
19:46.41ImperiosAbu Bakr al-Baghdadi = ISIS ruler
19:47.08Imperioshttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02967/watch_2967097b.jpg This guy, fear him
19:47.19ImperiosCaliph Abu is he
19:48.00ExternalizerI just got done with my fiction and eating KFC.
19:48.07ExternalizerKFC iz tha best.
19:48.40dromImperios: He seems to need to step it up. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed_after_capture.jpg
19:50.01HachimanExternalizer: Except KFC fries because FUCK KFC fries
19:50.21ExternalizerHachiman: LOVE THE FRIES!
19:50.27ExternalizerI SED LOVE E<
19:50.33Externalizer*EM
19:50.44ImperiosDo you by any chance have African American ancestry
19:50.49Imperios...Hey people are always racist to me so why not
19:50.58OluapPlayerhur
19:52.00Hachimankek
19:54.04ImperiosHm so what page should I work on next
19:55.14HachimanAlhassal page
19:56.29OluapPlayerProfit Stone
19:56.43ExternalizerOutworld
19:57.22HachimanProphet Stoned
19:57.35HachimanTake that in which way you want hur
20:01.00The_Randomnesswb
20:02.19ExternalizerWhy does the Crux look like a Zazane?
20:02.50Externalizer@OluapPlayer
20:03.02OluapPlayerWhy ask me, he's not my character
20:03.26ExternalizerI thought...oh, it's Hachimans.
20:03.30ExternalizerSorry.
20:03.32HachimanBecause he does
20:03.51ExternalizerHachiman, why does the Crux look like a Zazane?
20:03.53ImperiosAlhassal p age could work
20:04.32OluapPlayerdum
20:04.40OluapPlayerGo work on something you already started]
20:05.18HachimanSimple answer: because I wanted to bring the Zazane into the Fantasyverse somehow. Complex answer: because I wanted to draw a distinction between how Zazane are known to become/possess personifications of their base emotions and how the Crux is an entity driven solely by base emotion
20:05.59ImperiosWell rn I am doing Alhassal page
20:06.10ExternalizerHoly shit
20:06.11OluapPlayereet shit
20:06.12ImperiosWait
20:06.14ImperiosProphet Stone
20:06.14ImperiosNo
20:06.17ImperiosI am doing PS
20:06.22OluapPlayeru best b
20:08.09HachimanThe Exosubstratal's Primal energy is effectively the Descension energy of the Fantasyverse
20:09.04HachimanBoth are parasitic in nature and revert its users to exaggerations of their most prominent base emotions / instincts
20:09.08HachimanAnd are physically mutating
20:13.43OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/UWdP9Gl.png I imagine Ref'kolar looked like this in the fight, roughly
20:14.14HachimanEmaciated and yet somehow still strong enough to knock Fre'kloar on his ass hur
20:14.24HachimanThose claws are rather intimidating though
20:15.26OluapPlayerAngry + essence-fueled + Loron is very strong, doesn't matter how emaciated
20:15.28ImperiosSo skeletal
20:15.40ExternalizerOluapPlayer: The claws....THE CLAWS....
20:15.55HachimanYeah I am surprised Fre'kloar won
20:16.46HachimanIt was epic seeing the Loron reference back to the battle with Gratz'kaos and also rather heartwarming seeing Fre'kloar showing how much he appreciates Jol'kiar as his mentor
20:17.02OluapPlayerAlso you need to keep in mind
20:17.24OluapPlayerFre'kloar and Jol'kiar's link is so strong, even their Dark Loron counterparts follow it
20:18.21HachimanSo killing Raj'liko probably drove Ref'kolar into a frenzy
20:19.42HachimanI never really considered how much the Loron value one another up until recent fictions with them, although it's probable they just keep it to themselves rather than show it to each other hur
20:24.26OluapPlayerActually Ref'kolar went mad way, way before that
20:24.51OluapPlayerHis mind was broken when the Chosen were defeated and he lost his Champion powers
20:27.51TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, any chance you could make Raj'liko in Spore?
20:27.57TechnobliteratorI can write his page
20:30.24Xho"[21:27] <@Technobliterator> I can write his page"  Hold the fucking phone
20:30.55ExternalizerNo offense, but why would an axe be put in 2iC of a powerful nation? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Exacutus_Vulcanus
20:31.39HachimanEh?
20:31.43The_Randomness2ic?
20:31.44XhoBecause it has a consciousness
20:31.52XhoWrong word
20:31.54XhoConscience
20:31.56XhoThat's the one
20:32.23Externalizer2iC of the Vulcanus Horde in Koldenwelt
20:32.34HachimanWhat the hell does 2iC mean
20:32.38The_Randomness^
20:33.13ExternalizerSeriously?
20:33.19Externalizer2nd in Command
20:33.21Externalizer2iC
20:33.34XhoEven I got that one
20:33.35ExternalizerSecond in Command-2nd in Command-2iC
20:33.43HachimanIt is an enchanted obsidian axe with pyromancy and its own conscience, which in turn is a part of the conscience of the actual leader
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20:34.24HachimanWho is going to argue with a giant insane pyromancer if he wants to put an enchanted talking axe as his second-in-command
20:34.52ExternalizerErm...lotsa eople
20:34.55ExternalizerMe
20:35.08HachimanWell tough
20:35.08ExternalizerCause that person was stupid enough to put an AXE as his 2iC
20:35.24MonetExternalizer: That was rhetorical
20:35.36HachimanKeep in mind that the axe was smart enough to get a bunch of people to reawaken his master and unleash a great evil back into Koldenwelt
20:36.03XhoKalarah - i think stupid     got an idiot burning my palace
20:36.23Technobliteratorwhy hold the phone
20:36.25Technobliterator:o
20:36.38XhoCause you said you were gonna edit
20:36.55TechnobliteratorWell, I do edit
20:36.57ExternalizerHachiman: So, the axe is demented also? Hmm...an axe made of magma, with half the consciousness of some strong guy, which has dementia, and also....has power over magma
20:36.57TechnobliteratorJust not very often
20:37.00Technobliterator: |
20:37.05ExternalizerFuck, its here. Run!
20:38.14MonetExternalizer: Who is going to argue with a giant insane pyromancer -> anyone stupid enough to not realise he oculd kill them for it
20:38.44ExternalizerI just got burned by Monet. No pun intended, seriously...
20:39.32MonetSOrry if I was harsh
20:39.32XhoWell Kalarah but then again burning a Shiarchon is pretty redundant
20:39.42XhoYou'd just be re-heating it
20:39.47XhoLike in an oven
20:40.13ExternalizerMonet: You weren't harsh.
20:40.20Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Prophet_Stone_7.png You may now kiss the bride
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20:42.22HachimanOoh tense
20:42.38HachimanIs that Alfgund in the rain?
20:42.47HachimanOr is that Pedro
20:42.51ImpyDroidPedro
20:42.59OluapPlayerThe guy you should vote for
20:43.17OluapPlayerAs for why the Exacutus Vulcanus is the second in command of the Vulcanus Horde
20:43.22OluapPlayerHim and Xacutus are the same person
20:43.37OluapPlayerThey're both one being and they're both retardedly insane
20:44.30OluapPlayeralso i still sey profit stone needs mor me in it cus greedy oluap
20:44.54XhoCapitalist Rock
20:44.55Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11062653_1293509144005475_8557970614143270050_n.jpg?oh=e413a7c17df5fe48a597e4e498e57871&oe=55D6120B&__gda__=1440846637_3d5cd4bf72472eb229db80969fef3c4b Oh Pakulu
20:45.06OluapPlayerolol
20:45.12XhoThere's this trend on Twitter going on right now which is #FeministsAreUgly
20:45.22XhoAnd so to respond to the trend girls are taking selfies
20:45.25XhoI see a lot of ugly girls right now
20:46.12XhoSome good looking ones I guess
20:47.30Wormy_Ghel:  Looks like a good start
20:47.46OluapPlayerA friend of mine just retwetted about that
20:47.47OluapPlayer"don't forget to check #FeministsAreUgly to see cute girls taking selfies so that they can validate themselves with a horde of white knights"
20:48.07ImpyDroidSometimes I think that the anti-feminism wave on the Internet is caused by lonely, unattractive guys who are not popular with ladies and lash out at them
20:48.22Wormy_Where would metric engineering go?  I suppose it would go under relativistic, but some applications used quantum field theories
20:49.10OluapPlayerOr maybe because feminists are stupid and support awful things
20:49.56The_RandomnessThe tumblrinas are not feminists. They're just crazy.
20:50.02OluapPlayerXho: Were you looking forward to Silent Hills?
20:50.14XhoNot particularly
20:50.19OluapPlayerRight
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20:50.25OluapPlayerIt was confirmed cancelled today
20:50.28Xhorite
20:50.41XhoSilent Hill's lore went downhill after 3
20:50.49XhoSo far downhill
20:51.09ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Feminists on the other hand are all of that too but with genders reversed
20:51.30XhoThat's why the game was so good
20:51.30ImpyDroidThing is, neither sides truly lash out on sexism, they lash out on genders
20:51.43XhoThe games after 4 didn't have much of the original lore and it was crummy
20:51.48Xho4 and after
20:52.17AeoImpyDroid: What feminists have you been seeing? I could point you to some good ones.
20:52.41ImpyDroidThe good ones I know... well, my gf, mostly
20:53.08XhoMy sister is one
20:53.24XhoLuckily not a crazy feminist
20:53.51The_RandomnessI honestly wouldn't call the crazy ones that demonize men feminists.
20:54.17XhoRadical feminists
20:54.21XhoSociological term for them
20:54.24The_RandomnessYeah
20:54.38ImpyDroidProblem is you say anything pro-equality and you are immediately branded a radfem
20:54.51AeoYes.
20:54.57The_RandomnessWhich is absurd
20:55.16ImpyDroidThe good ones I know... well, my gf, mostly
20:55.30ImpyDroidOops
20:55.46HachimanGood feminists I know of is pretty much everyone who does not give a shit about gender supremacy at all
20:56.33AeoWhich is virtually every feminist I've seen.
20:57.26AeoThat stereotype of the angry tumblr teenager who hates men doesn't really reflect any reality I've seen first-hand.
20:57.27Wormy_I just call myself a humanist because to me the very term means something deeper, but I value the same things as good feminism.
20:58.17The_RandomnessAeo: I've never seen any of that IRL either
20:58.37Wormy_Anyway, one thing I don't like about the modern wave of tumblr misandry is its over support of postmodernism, which I despise.
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20:59.50ExternalizerWhy the hell are we talking about feminists, again?
21:00.18Wormy_Such as declaring Newton's Principia to be a rape manual because Newtonian mechanics deals with rigid bodies, hence an erect penis
21:00.41Wormy_I find such philosophies infantile and anti-rational.
21:00.42The_Randomnesslol
21:00.50Wormy_And anti-science
21:00.59AeoThe_Randomness: Indeed. I actually just managed to think of 3 people I've ever encoutered online who could meet that description, and even then, the problems with those people are enver what MRAs say they are.
21:01.22The_Randomnessoh gosh, MRAs
21:01.39Wormy_Postmodernism is meant to be somewhat a joke, not to be taken as a serious thing to criticise society or other philosophies with.
21:01.53MonetI live with three women, at most only one of of which appears to clean her own stuff, let alone everyone's.
21:02.56ImpyDroid...so you clean for them
21:02.57Wormy_Because it swallows itself into its own absurdity
21:03.15AeoWormy_ Most anti-feminists I've seen use arguments which essentially come from the opposite extreme. I once got into an argument about Anita Sarkeesian and I was told that no one was ever allowed to critique any art ever, and that the only valid response to not likeing something was to make your own.
21:03.29MonetImpyDroid: Yeah like I'm going ot clean up after their messes.
21:03.47ImpyDroid...I pity you
21:04.16MonetIt's an irony to traditional sexual expectations are quite reversed in my flat.
21:04.20ImpyDroidYou're a... not sure what is the English term for that
21:04.38ImpyDroidThe Russian term is "underheel"
21:04.47AeoMangina?
21:04.56HachimanUnderheel
21:05.00HachimanThat's a fucking BDSM term
21:05.03HachimanI swear
21:05.04ExternalizerWHY. THE. FUCK. ARE. WE. TALKING. ABOUT. FEMINISTS?!
21:05.18The_RandomnessIs there anything wrong with it?
21:05.25ImpyDroidAs in "the man ynder the heel of a woman",
21:05.35The_RandomnessTo answer your question, xho brought up a twitter trend that mentioned feminists
21:05.51HachimanImpyDroid: In England people tend to call it "being whipped"
21:06.24MonetI'm not an underheel because I leave them to clean their messes.
21:06.32ExternalizerFor some reason, if I download a creation with lots of Horrorlump parts, the horrorlumps break and are in different places...
21:06.43MonetShame that my current strategy means the skinks are always full of saucepans, plates and cutlery.
21:06.47Monetsinks*
21:06.54HachimanOuch
21:07.19Wormy_I don't understand this "trigger warning" and "jazz hand" culture at all.  If you have anxiety, from experience, catering for it is a bad idea.
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21:08.32The_RandomnessHello
21:08.36ImpyDroidHi
21:08.38GhelHello.
21:08.38CyrannianHello
21:08.39ImpyDroidAnd ded
21:08.40Wormy_Apparently the same culture of students at a uni in the US opposed a Conservative speaker talking.  While I'm no Conservative, I find that intellectually weak.  Debate her, don't plug your ears.
21:08.40OluapPlayer~kick Cyrannian
21:08.40infobotACTION kicks Cyrannian
21:08.45Cyrannian~lick OluapPlayer
21:08.45infobotACTION licks OluapPlayer *SHLUUURRRRPPP*
21:09.01The_RandomnessWormy_: That would take effort though
21:09.13OluapPlayerCyrannian: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/56/URC_and_Dracs_vs_Grox.png/revision/latest?cb=20150426134632 I remade this old picture
21:09.34MonetAren't American debate clubs performed differently from British debate clubs?
21:09.37Wormy_I still think it should be seen as an opportunity
21:09.53AeoWormy_ People who have been abused don't like to be reminded of abuse or their abuser. People who have been raped often have PTSD which could be triggered by mention of rape, and some people with various disorders might be in danger if prompted to think about suicide.
21:10.02CyrannianOluapPlayer: Oh yes, I saw that earlier. Very nice! dem libertus doe
21:10.07MonetSomething about how the aim is to argue until one group has a nargument solid enough ot be declared a winner
21:10.11Wormy_Monet:  This is a recent phenomenon in the US I believe, soon it will be hear too and I will tell such dogooders to suck it.
21:10.39Wormy_*here
21:10.42OluapPlayerI didn't know if the modern Imperial troopers also existed back in the URC days
21:10.49OluapPlayerSo I used URC-day models hur
21:11.09Vinny_at_WorkHey Cyra!
21:11.10CyrannianI mean they are all aiming for the sky instead of the Caprigrox
21:11.24MonetEuropean debate clubs I tihnk are more geared towards discussing and throwing around ideas until the two parties reach an agreement o nthe matter.
21:11.36Wormy_Aeo:  Then why the hell are they going to environments they know will distress them?  You either don't or you combat your difficulties in my opinion.  Not try to bend society to your will.  I see this as a dangerous thing to criticism.
21:11.49OluapPlayerThat's because they just shot their weapons and are recoiling backwards
21:12.31Wormy_If you can't bare being clapped at, then don't stop people from clapping.
21:12.40AeoWormy_: What's preferable? People with mental illnesses abstaining from the internet wholesale or people taking three seconds to write twrape?
21:13.01CyrannianI also like the new Dracogonarious marines
21:13.33Wormy_That is up to them how they do it
21:13.41Externalizer~shoot Oluap
21:13.41infobotACTION shoots Oluap in the head with a frozen turkey cannon!
21:13.44AeoNo one is saying not to talk about those issues. I have literally never ever heard that argument made. It's about letting people who have good reasons to avoid such content do so.
21:13.47ExternalizerYes!
21:14.17Wormy_Aeo:  The said students protested to stop the Conservative speaker talking.
21:14.29Wormy_*That* is what I find silly.
21:14.36AeoTalking where?
21:14.54The_RandomnessAt some university I believe
21:15.08MonetCOuld it be because the speaker was a Republican?
21:15.33The_RandomnessNo, just more likely they had views they didn't like
21:15.35AeoBecause the University has no obligation to let a person give a talk there, so the students are fine to encourage them not to.
21:15.47Wormy_http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417179/students-fear-their-safety-because-conservatives-invited-speaker-campus-katherine
21:16.11Wormy_I find it intellectual cowardice in terms of academia
21:17.00Wormy_I don't think that would happen in the UK yet.  But it is coming.
21:17.22AeoThe University isn't obligated to give someone a forum. That's a favor they do out of goodwill. It's different from if someone passed a law saying that no University could host them or something like that.
21:18.33Wormy_Academically, censoring opinions you don't like instead of actuaslly criticising them is the wrong way to do things in my opinion.
21:18.49CyrannianIndeed
21:19.12The_Randomnessyeah
21:19.50Wormy_I find it quite honestly scary that young academics are doing this, and not really thinking about why.
21:20.01AeoWormy_ Censoring someone is stupping them from talking. Not letting someone speak on your property is not stopping them from speaking somewhere else.
21:21.04AeoThe University is private property. It is not a violation of your free speech to not hand you a microphone and set aside an hour for you to talk in thier building.
21:21.12Wormy_No, I find censorship in general a bad idea.  Because where does it stop?
21:21.15MonetTHe students could have simply not turned up, yeah.
21:21.34MonetPLus it might be more of a middle finger
21:21.57AeoDid the university invite you to speak? No? I guess your free speech is being violated too.
21:21.59MonetShe feels really exited to talk: And when she's ready walks into a near-empty lecture theatre.
21:22.03The_RandomnessGranted, those students only represent a small portion of the student population. They aren't representative of all the students on that campus.
21:22.15Wormy_There are so many betters ways to criticise the speaker, by taking control of one;s own difficulties and debating her or not turning up at all.#
21:22.24Wormy_Random:  I hope not
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21:23.31The_RandomnessJust because they're loud that doesn't mean they're numerous by any means
21:23.41MonetRandomness: THat's a proble mthat turns up again and again
21:24.12MonetWHere the rowdy few cause more damage than the quiet many and end u ppercieved as representative of the whole.
21:24.28The_RandomnessYeah, that's why the perception of a lot of fandoms are complete shit
21:24.28AeoWormy_: The university is a private bussiness. It is not obligated to give anyone a forum to speak. Because of this, the students are allowed to encourage the University not to give them a forum. She is not owed a chance to give a talk at the university just because she was initially invited.
21:25.13Wormy_They are the vocal minority, yes.  But the problem with this kind of censorship is that it has no self-criticism?  If it spreads virally it'll end up everywhere and there you go, opinions become unheard and unchallenged.
21:26.23Wormy_I can see much more constructive ways those students could have dealt with it.
21:26.29The_RandomnessDid they successfully block people from attending the lecture or prevent that person from coming?
21:26.54AeoWormy_ What if it were a Neo-Nazi?
21:26.57Wormy_Especially considering they might well be, future policy makers, future scientists, future economists?  I don't know.
21:27.23MonetAeo: Redacto ad absurdum.
21:27.32Wormy_The_Randomness:  That happened https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/590391200311554048
21:27.41Wormy_Nothing bad at all
21:28.00Wormy_Aeo:  I'd rather be in a counter protest to out-speak the Neo-Nazis
21:28.23Monet"Is the speaker a nazi? Yes? Then it's fine to yell at them" - neo nazis are human beings too
21:28.32Wormy_That happens a lot here luckily.  There's a faAscist rally and it gets over-run by the opposition.
21:29.29Wormy_If people don't want a fascist rally in their nighborhead they should do all they can to fight it.  Not hide in their homes quaking.
21:29.43AeoWormy_ This isn't a government office or a public park. This is a University. It is private property. She was not owed a talk there, which is why it is no censorship to deny her one because the shit she spews is hateful or reality-denying.
21:29.58AeoOr for any other reason really.
21:30.13Wormy_Anyway, the things I've seen "triggers" get applied to show there is no criterion they have made for what actually is triggering.  Jazz handing is an example really.
21:30.38AeoSomeone who denies the existence of rape culture has no more right to University resources than a flat-earther.
21:30.39The_RandomnessJazz handing?
21:30.41CyrannianWhat party was this woman with?
21:30.44Wormy_Neo-Nazis in a rally were owed either
21:30.52MonetCyrannian: Republican
21:31.21CyrannianOh right, I was under the impression this was something that happened to Wormy
21:31.54MonetAeo: "This is a University. It is private property" we get it, part of the confusion might be that in the UK universities are funded by the Government and overseen by a MInistry of Education.
21:32.18Wormy_Random:  A student society wants to pressurise people not to clap because its a "trigger"
21:32.27The_Randomnessoh
21:32.30The_Randomnesslol
21:32.56MonetAt least I think universities in the UK are state institutions...
21:33.34AeoHere's something to think about: Why should the act of clapping be immune from criticism just because it's been done for a long time?
21:34.36HachimanThat's a stupid thing to think about
21:34.45Wormy_I don't really understand your argument though Aeo, to me its not about whether she has a right to.  Its about whether censoring and fearmongering her opinions are intellectually the right thing todo.
21:35.25AeoNot letting her speak at the University is not censorship because she does not have any pre-existing right to speak there.
21:35.52Wormy_Because it is censorship for all intensive purposes, and if left unchecked, is just wrong.
21:36.10MonetAeo: SO by your understanding she is tresspassing?
21:36.35MonetWhat if the Universitys Board had discussed the matter with the Conservatives?
21:36.54HachimanThis is a really stupid debate and it needs to stop
21:37.11HachimanWe are just going to end up upsetting ourselves and each other again
21:37.26Wormy_Aeo:  I agree that everything should be open to criticism, though I do not agree with the premises of enforcing your fears on others.
21:37.26XhoEh what's going on
21:37.32AeoNo. The University has announced intent to grant her use of its resources. People protested this decision of the University's. They had the right to do that.
21:38.14Wormy_They have a right to just as much as she had a right to speak.  But it was not necessarily the most rational, open minded or constructive thing to do.
21:38.22XhoHachiman: wat is dis
21:38.23MonetXho: Not 100%
21:38.50HachimanThey are discussing whether or not some twatting SJWs deserved the right to complain about people clapping or something like that
21:38.59HachimanEither way it's an argument that needs to stop
21:39.05Wormy_lol
21:39.07XhoClapping about what though
21:39.18Wormy_Yeah its getting nowhere really.
21:39.19HachimanClapping in general because apparently it causes anxiety
21:39.23The_Randomness^
21:39.25MonetSJWs...okay now I'm even more confused
21:39.26XhoWell
21:39.35XhoThey need to get that cactus out of their arse
21:39.49XhoMonet: Social justice warrior
21:39.52Wormy_Quite funny on the face of it, arguing about jazz handing.
21:40.04AeoWe don't really have those. That's something people who don't like what we have to say made up to dismiss us.
21:40.28AeoI've never heard of Jazz-Handing, though.
21:40.30HachimanRight time to shut up because this discussion is over
21:41.06HachimanIt is not productive or interesting and quite frankly I am sure it is agitating people at this point
21:41.22The_RandomnessYeah, it's ceased to be interesting at this point
21:41.39Wormy_I'm sorry for dragging this out then.
21:41.49AeoI will say this: Due to my mental health issues, loud clapping tends to be really unpleasant for me. I have to cover my ears even in my speech class, which has about twenty people in it.
21:42.03HachimanOh well
21:42.41XhoWas it interesting in the first place
21:42.50XhoTalking about applause sounds extremely boring
21:42.51MonetYou can't pelase everyone, if you could the world would be boring.
21:42.56Wormy_I have quite bad anxiety too.  I am perhaps a bit biased, its just that the way I have found to help is not to avoid the things that well, trigger negative thoughts or panic.
21:43.08The_RandomnessIt started off as a constructive conversation about feminism, then eventually lost steam
21:43.11OluapPlayerhttp://i.4cdn.org/an/1430015479021.jpg how about we talk about cute squirrels instead
21:43.25Hachiman<3
21:43.27The_Randomnessthat is the face of evil
21:43.30Wormy_Hence I have to confront what it is.  I realise that might not be the same for everyone
21:43.43XhoDon't like squirrels really
21:44.04AeoJust one closing statement: We shouldn't be unwilling to criticize clapping as a gesture just because it's a long-standing tradition. Jazz-hands might be better even if we only just now came up with them.
21:44.39ExternalizerOluapPlayer: KILL THEM! KILL THEM WITH BURNING SCALDING PLASMA AND HOT OIL!
21:44.53XhoI think
21:44.55OluapPlayerOdd way to say cuddle them with hugs and kisses
21:45.08XhoPeople have problems and people shouldn't care about said problems
21:45.14XhoSo what if people get offended
21:45.35XhoThey should have a nice hot cup of man-the-fuck-up
21:45.43MonetXho: Agreed
21:46.02MonetSOmetimes you just have to accept what's going on
21:46.12AeoPeople don't decide if something offends them, not that that's really what's at issue.
21:46.47XhoPeople are entitled to be offended
21:46.55MonetAeo: Xho Hachi and I are British. Brits tend to go "meh" to a number of tihngs.
21:47.06XhoThough people are also intended to not give a shit
21:47.13Xhointended
21:47.17XhoWhere the hell did that come from
21:47.19Xhoentitled*
21:47.30XhoI'm too tired for this shit tbh
21:48.26XhoI always find that people are overly emotional or I'm just emotionless
21:48.38XhoThough it's one of those things I'll probably never figure out
21:48.40MonetXho: Depends on the person
21:48.57XhoYeah
21:49.01MonetSome people yeah, het way to oworked up over the smallest things.
21:49.13XhoSociety's too complicated for people to give their full attention
21:49.15ExternalizerHow much would it hurt if hot oil and sand was dumped on you?
21:49.18ExternalizerProbably a bit.
21:49.19Wormy_Psychopaths are good at manipulating the emotions of others, making others angrier and angrier.  I admire that skill.
21:49.30XhoI'm not a psychopath though
21:49.40XhoI'm just brutally honest
21:49.54XhoI might be a psychopath but I wouldn't be a good one
21:49.59Wormy_Ah sorry I thought you once said you was.
21:50.08XhoI was going through an edgy phase hur
21:50.48XhoI can switch my emotions on and off but it requires a time and place to potentially give a shit
21:50.55XhoI think that's just life though
21:51.18OluapPlayerhttp://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/files/2014/02/weird-marine-reptile.jpg this is a real thing which existed 242 million years ago
21:51.31XhoOluapPlayer: looks liek ur mom
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21:51.40OluapPlayerGetting bit by that probably felt extremely awkward
21:51.50Wormy_Almost as amazing as that shark with the chainsaw mouth.
21:51.52XhoAnd painful
21:52.25OluapPlayerI remember the chainsaw mouth shark
21:52.29OluapPlayerIs that a legit thing?
21:54.04Cyrannianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltooth_sawfish
21:55.16HachimanHoly fuck that mouth
21:55.22HachimanLooks like a Consangui
21:56.13XhoBet it tastes good
21:56.22OluapPlayerOh
21:56.30OluapPlayerThat's not the one I had in mind
21:56.50XhoThe one that unfurls its jaw
21:57.21OluapPlayerThere was another picture of a fish whose lower jaw looked like a spur
21:57.23Hachimanhttp://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/500whorl.jpg This thing?
21:57.26XhoHelicoprion
21:57.33OluapPlayeryes that
21:58.03XhoApparently the term is 'tooth whorls'
21:58.11HachimanHelicoprion, aka whorl shark
21:58.12OluapPlayerhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Helicoprion_bessonovi1DB.jpg this is the pic I had seen
21:58.13XhoI just get reminded of Didney Worl
21:58.40OluapPlayerSo it is real
21:58.47OluapPlayerThe ancient ocean was full of terrifying things
21:59.04OluapPlayerFrom man-sized scorpions to these
21:59.59Wormy_Cyrannian, Hachiman:  BTW I was talking about helicoprion http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e0OHsWGJwHg/Uef2xxuEXVI/AAAAAAAAAT8/Tg_ZbQVBF_8/s1600/1045034_619173648107882_1434455688_n.jpg  http://www.search4dinosaurs.com/tm_helicoprion.jpg
22:00.17OluapPlayerAt least today's terrifying monsters exist in the deep darkness rather than near the surface
22:00.18Wormy_Ah, looks like you foujnd it
22:02.58ExternalizerOluapPlayer: What the hell is that?!
22:03.45OluapPlayerIt's like you can't read
22:04.16Wormy_Prehistoric shark.  Actually I read it wasn't a true shark though]
22:04.27Xhohttps://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11200780_2172442556136256_2097683227508041777_n.jpg?oh=221749d734878af9dc0e46d483ac5a86&oe=5597963A
22:05.06Wormy_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocephali
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22:12.51Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Khahurnim_Elf There we go, mostly completed minus a top quote
22:13.33Xhonoice
22:14.05XhoIf I can come up with a top quote
22:14.14XhoI don't seem to have many of my quotes that are topped on the wiki
22:14.38XhoHm were they prominent during Orichalcum Elf rule
22:15.37HachimanProbably not, I mean they shared territory with Khaepsha-ultan midway through the Adamantine Age but got torn apart by them sometime after Caligaduro got imprisoned
22:15.58Xhohm rite
22:16.02HachimanBut like Khaepsha-ultan they did use recovered Sohet magitech to an extent
22:16.12HachimanStill do but not as much as Khaepsha does
22:16.18XhoWell I don't think I can really do a comment for that
22:16.27XhoI don't have any desert-faring races
22:16.36HachimanIt's all good hur
22:16.42HachimanI was mostly looking for feedback anyway
22:17.24XhoWell it's pretty heavily thought out as per usual
22:17.43Wormy_I admit I haven't looked too deeply into the Fantasyverse but I can see they have had a lot of thought put into them, and quite evenly for all the topics.
22:17.47HachimanWonder if it's a bit too thought out hur
22:18.00Wormy_*you have put
22:18.16OluapPlayerNo such thing as too thought out
22:18.41ExternalizerHachiman: You forgot jewish elves
22:18.43XhoXhodocto hur
22:18.55HachimanExternalizer: Eh?
22:18.58XhoActually that was a mix of no thought and too much thought
22:19.18HachimanThe Khahurnim are the Jewish elves I was talking about hur
22:19.33HachimanI spent literally all day editing them, how could I have forgotten them
22:19.34ExternalizerHachiman: On the elves, you forgot Jewish Elves as one of the titles.
22:19.41ExternalizerI know
22:19.41HachimanYeah no
22:19.46XhoThat's just a joke
22:19.46ExternalizerYou just forgot to list it
22:19.54XhoNo such things as Jews in Koldenwelt
22:19.57Xhothing
22:20.00XhoI can't English for shit
22:20.05HachimanMinus Asv-Aldz
22:20.12XhoOuch
22:20.21OluapPlayerhe's the god of shekels
22:20.23HachimanHe's a rich goy
22:20.26XhoKhahurnim - LET MY PEOPLE GO                       Ankhor - no                *scratching posts*
22:21.11XhoI think the Freelanders call Asv-Aldz a djinn
22:22.48XhoHm we didn't do any Wrath of Night
22:22.51Xhosad times
22:23.27OluapPlayercus you didn't suggest it
22:23.34XhoYeah
22:23.40XhoI wasn't really here today so I couldn't have done it
22:23.41dromI expected Seth MacFarlane some adorable and nice looking man. But all he looks like is a greaser version of Elvis.
22:24.05XhoElvis was a greaser
22:24.06XhoSorta
22:24.45XhoAt least he went through a phase
22:28.23dromAt least he makes good comedies, imo.
22:29.21XhoComedies
22:29.26XhoAre we talking about the same Elvis
22:29.37dromSeth
22:29.45XhoOh right
22:30.13XhoAnyway time for sleep
22:30.25XhoI gotta go another week in not trying to kill my manager
22:30.37XhoI'm getting very close to blunt physical trauma
22:32.02OluapPlayerDon't do that unless you wanna get your bum hurt at jail
22:32.35XhoI also like money so
22:32.47XhoI think of it as a universal deal
22:32.56XhoI get money and I don't go violent psycho on my manager
22:33.07XhoI don't get paid enough though
22:35.25CyrannianNight folks
22:35.33XhoIf I start noticing a pattern in his attitude it will only be a matter of time before I lose it
22:41.38HachimanXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdnYd0wwDE
22:42.43XhoThis is how Santorakh wakes Angazhar up in the morning
22:42.58Hachimanolol
22:49.11The_RandomnessI'm off, bye guys
22:49.52ExternalizerErm...
22:49.54Externalizerhttps://www.youtube.com/user/siomar60
22:50.00ExternalizerNevermind
22:50.14ExternalizerThe guy had a name of "{[Illuminati-confirmed][OPTIC][FAZE][MLG][ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°]}xXx_Beefalo_xXx"
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22:53.59XhoI just read that as "Cancer"
22:54.35Hachimanolol
22:57.44Liquid_InkHey Xho, what ever happened to Nexidium?
22:57.54XhoIt slowly became forgotten and non-canon over time
22:59.33ExternalizerI forgot about the Nexus.
23:00.57XhoMost of my fiction is non-canon now
23:02.22Liquid_InkYou should recycle it. I'm sure the Shiarchon would appreciate some nexidium
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23:03.53Externalizer_Graphhics card problem.
23:07.15XhoThey have their own substance called Darkstone
23:07.28XhoWhich is a borderline indestructible material full of evil
23:08.29XhoWell I better go to sleep now
23:08.34XhoLike I said half an hour ago
23:08.53Monetgoodnight
23:10.54Externalizer_Bye
23:11.05Externalizer_Is Vinny still at work?
23:30.08Externalizer_Ever wonder how Dvotties became such large memes?
23:34.48Externalizer_Wormy_away, can you make a feasible explanation why the Dvottie can cough up sugar and flowers to defend itself?
23:43.56Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Operation_White_Fire#Jaws_of_Life New Section.
23:50.43MonetFor a moment I thought the guy was being trodden on by whoever blew up the door.
23:51.52Monetthough so far the Khozai appear somewhat defenseless
23:52.26MonetOKay apart form losing a dozen ships
23:52.44Monetfrom destroying*
23:53.06Wormy_awayI'm not sure how true this story is but frightening none the less http://www.cracked.com/article_18503_how-biotech-company-almost-killed-world-with-booze.html
23:56.48AeoMonet: The IoR is high tier 3, the Shiyozai low tier 4, with the exception of their much higher tier biotech. This is also a battle between the full invasion fleet and a relatively unguarded planet.

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