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| 00:06.10 | Wormy_ | I'm already covered in insect bites. |
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| 00:07.22 | Wormy_ | Biting insects, allergies, overgrown vegetation, stinky dog bins, sun in your face when in a vehicle, too much heat are just some of the problems to endure |
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| 00:07.53 | GD12 | hi |
| 00:07.56 | Patriot868 | Hello |
| 00:08.11 | Wormy_ | oh yeah, sunburn |
| 00:08.18 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:08.33 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Meanwhile, in Canada, I still have thick snow in patches in my backyard. |
| 00:08.52 | Wormy_ | and if you live on higher latitudes, too light to sleep |
| 00:08.53 | DrodoEmpire | Actually, at the beginning of this week, it was still one and a half, two metres high |
| 00:09.03 | Patriot868 | And in California, we have the worst drought in recorded state history |
| 00:09.13 | DrodoEmpire | We just had a wet few days and now its *finally* clearing up. |
| 00:09.18 | Tek0516 | Alright, time to fix my math error while I wait for laundry... |
| 00:09.23 | DrodoEmpire | Patriot: Ouch... >: |
| 00:09.31 | Patriot868 | Ya, its pretty bad |
| 00:10.22 | Wormy_ | We still get frost at night but Spring is in full bloom now |
| 00:10.38 | Wormy_ | and all the bitey, stingy things |
| 00:10.54 | Wormy_ | hungry to dr\w first blood |
| 00:11.14 | Wormy_ | three bloody bites in a row |
| 00:11.24 | Monet | It was really sunny and warm a few days ago where I am. Now it's chilly again |
| 00:11.36 | Patriot868 | Governor said there was a state of emergency back in January. Then we had the lowest snowfall on record, then figures say we arent conserving enough water at all. |
| 00:11.54 | GD12 | ^ |
| 00:12.22 | GD12 | idk but im guessing its worse in southern rather than northern califonrnia |
| 00:12.27 | Wormy_ | time to drink alcohol instead |
| 00:12.38 | GD12 | us drinking age is 21 |
| 00:12.44 | Patriot868 | Yes. We won't run out of that at least. |
| 00:12.46 | GD12 | not gunna work |
| 00:13.17 | Wormy_ | So its a choice, life or jail |
| 00:13.31 | GD12 | all the apts here have water conversation guidelines |
| 00:13.38 | Patriot868 | Ya, its really bad in southern california. The offical website has some more info on it http://ca.gov/drought/ |
| 00:14.13 | GD12 | ouchie |
| 00:14.29 | Patriot868 | Wormy:Yup. Though its not gone full Mad Max yet. Just theres a lot of regulation coming in to play now. |
| 00:15.47 | GD12 | I also doubt that it will get much better |
| 00:16.35 | Patriot868 | Ya, it wont. We would need a virtual biblical flood to refill again, and that would also cause mass landslides due to erosion. |
| 00:17.23 | Patriot868 | But, I would prefer that to a spark going up and causing wildfires. I already went through one of those once. |
| 00:17.24 | GD12 | yeah |
| 00:17.34 | GD12 | we'll need to steal water from oregon now lol |
| 00:17.52 | Patriot868 | Damm straight. |
| 00:18.11 | Patriot868 | We'll just end up buying water from other states. |
| 00:19.34 | Wormy_ | You could set up those machines that convert seawater into drinking water, and sell the salt to make moneys |
| 00:19.39 | Charles_Murray | Maine water best water |
| 00:19.59 | Charles_Murray | I'm pretty sure California already does that, though it's extremely inefficient. |
| 00:20.07 | Patriot868 | Yes, the desalination plants. They are viable, actually |
| 00:20.45 | Patriot868 | Yes, we don't have enough power. Only one nuclear reactor left in the state, and NO one wants to use fossil fuels because of the way the state swing politically. |
| 00:20.45 | Wormy_ | There are even handheld desalination devices now |
| 00:21.10 | Wormy_ | I remember seeing this one for people stranded at sea |
| 00:21.22 | Patriot868 | Oh those. Those are really cool |
| 00:21.59 | GD12 | I think if California dialed down its agriculture a bit the water problem would be helepd a lot |
| 00:22.07 | GD12 | Given how water-intensive agriculture is |
| 00:22.10 | GD12 | idk |
| 00:22.39 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno if the production of food is something that is wise to just "dial down". XD |
| 00:23.02 | Patriot868 | Ya, but then everyone says thats the last of our money gone. And other states and even other countries rely on the food we produce. |
| 00:23.42 | Patriot868 | Honestly though, ranch land does need to be cut down on a bit. But thats peoples livelhoods. And then the argument cycle repeats. |
| 00:23.46 | Wormy_ | Idk, market the produce as bred for harsh conditions and sell it for higher prices |
| 00:24.15 | GD12 | tl;dr gg get rekt m8 |
| 00:26.02 | Patriot868 | But enough about the drought, what else has been going on? |
| 00:26.34 | DrodoEmpire | Fiction stuff, I suppose. Not much for me anyhow. |
| 00:26.40 | GD12 | in California or elswwhere |
| 00:26.46 | GD12 | UC is hiking up tuition iirc |
| 00:26.57 | Wormy_ | I fell asleep and was bitten all over by bugs. |
| 00:27.23 | Patriot868 | Wormy:That sucks. |
| 00:27.46 | Patriot868 | GD12:Thats why I'm at city college. |
| 00:28.21 | GD12 | I'm an international student so I'm shafted either way :( |
| 00:29.06 | Patriot868 | International students. I rember we had a ton of them in German class. Very interesting people. |
| 00:29.09 | Wormy_ | for some reason international students get hardly any tuition fees over here |
| 00:29.25 | Patriot868 | Had a habit about bitching about American chocolate though |
| 00:29.38 | Wormy_ | it is a bit yucky, I'm afraid |
| 00:30.00 | Wormy_ | Especially if its a familiar looking brand with a completely different taste |
| 00:30.17 | GD12 | Cadbury >>>>>>> >Hersheys |
| 00:30.23 | Patriot868 | I understand that, but after the fifth time, the amusment of hearing it wears off. Especially if it causes the class to go one a tangent. |
| 00:30.36 | Wormy_ | lol I understad |
| 00:30.38 | Patriot868 | Hereshy's is pretty bland though |
| 00:31.03 | Wormy_ | I think they shot themselves in the foot blocking Cadbury imports |
| 00:32.00 | Wormy_ | But then, the US gets so much more flavour choice |
| 00:32.14 | Wormy_ | All those dorito varieties |
| 00:32.19 | GD12 | Wormy_ : I thought international students in the UK had to pay a LOT of money |
| 00:32.24 | Wormy_ | Crazy Ben and Jerries |
| 00:32.57 | Wormy_ | Yeah they often pay much less (at least if they are EU students, maybe) |
| 00:33.14 | Wormy_ | And Scottish students don't get any |
| 00:33.17 | GD12 | oh |
| 00:35.16 | Wormy_ | The politicians are getting really slatered when they talk about cutting down the fees, when they never had to pay any during leaders debates |
| 00:35.33 | Wormy_ | It was free once |
| 00:36.36 | GD12 | o |
| 00:37.08 | GD12 | I can't complain too much since my parents are fairly high up, but student debt seems like an immense problem |
| 00:37.22 | Tek0516 | it is |
| 00:37.36 | GD12 | esp since its hard i think for most to get a full-time well paying job straight out of uni |
| 00:38.26 | Tek0516 | My parents practically expect me to pay it all while still in university. |
| 00:38.36 | GD12 | o |
| 00:39.07 | GD12 | is a lucky shit |
| 00:39.40 | Technobliterator | I don't even go to university yet |
| 00:39.44 | Technobliterator | :/ |
| 00:39.57 | Wormy_ | Here it gets taken out of your wages once it reaches a certain level |
| 00:40.14 | Wormy_ | But you can pay more into it |
| 00:40.55 | Tek0516 | Meanwhile back home student unemployment is only something a third to 50%. Should be easy for someone like me with no social skills and a specialized major to find a job. |
| 00:41.26 | Wormy_ | Tbh, the real problem with uni is that it doesn't gaurentee success anymore, I know postr-graduates who never found jobs in what they wanted. |
| 00:42.00 | GD12 | ya |
| 00:42.06 | Wormy_ | Young people here can't even afford their own housing and are living more and more with their parents for longer |
| 00:42.09 | Wormy_ | What a mess |
| 00:42.10 | GD12 | tis no longer a guaranteed golden tickeet |
| 00:44.50 | Wormy_ | Masters in the UK might have student loans though soon |
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| 00:45.23 | Wormy_ | Right, I must go, goodnight |
| 00:45.24 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 00:45.26 | The_Randomness | Bye |
| 00:45.33 | Wormy_ | And hi |
| 00:46.58 | Tek0516 | Ngh, I really nerd sniped myself with this question. XD |
| 00:47.07 | The_Randomness | Heh, what is it? |
| 00:47.40 | Tek0516 | General formula for Andasium production over time. XD |
| 00:47.50 | The_Randomness | Ah |
| 00:48.08 | The_Randomness | I nearly did that to myself today working on a Minecraft redstone project |
| 00:48.38 | The_Randomness | Fortunately a friend of mine came to the rescue and offered a very nice solution to the problem I faced. |
| 00:49.54 | Tek0516 | After a few pages I've had to correct what my problem even is. XD |
| 00:51.07 | Tek0516 | Goddamnit, this one party doesn't even simplify nicely like I thought. >.< |
| 01:06.42 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:06.54 | The_Randomness | ~whalenuke DrodoEmpire |
| 01:06.54 | infobot | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around DrodoEmpire with his mind powers. |
| 01:07.05 | Aeo | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Operation_White_Fire#Ignition DrodoEmpire GD12 Tek0516 Charles_Murray |
| 01:21.08 | Monet | I sense Zanut is after a juicy irony |
| 01:22.32 | Monet | It seems to be a ocmmon desire to have the Draconis as slaves or servants |
| 01:24.00 | Aeo | That's not what hes after for now. He has smaller AGC empires in mind, |
| 01:25.18 | Aeo | Hes not that dumb. Of course, if it were a realistic goal, he'd love it. |
| 01:25.47 | Monet | It sounds like its on his mind though |
| 01:27.10 | Aeo | Zanuk - Well, in the long term, maybe if the DI did collapse, I could buy a few... |
| 01:46.34 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently there's a mod for Napoleon Total War in development that'll bring it into the Victorian Era |
| 01:46.39 | DrodoEmpire | Sounds pretty fucking awesome |
| 01:46.44 | DrodoEmpire | :p |
| 01:46.54 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno how they'll map it, but hey |
| 01:50.28 | GD12 | oh shit |
| 01:50.32 | GD12 | that sounds fucking awesome |
| 01:51.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 01:52.13 | DrodoEmpire | There are a lot of similar mods that do the same thing on a really small scale, like the Zulu war mod |
| 01:52.37 | DrodoEmpire | But this one is doing most or all of the world between the mid 19th to the early 20th century |
| 01:52.54 | DrodoEmpire | Gonna be great |
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| 02:01.22 | GD12 | Biggest mod i played |
| 02:01.25 | GD12 | was TGW |
| 02:01.27 | GD12 | WWI mod |
| 02:01.31 | GD12 | for Napoleon |
| 02:01.52 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 02:01.55 | DrodoEmpire | That one's pretty cool |
| 02:02.18 | GD12 | modders are awesome |
| 02:02.22 | DrodoEmpire | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:02.29 | DrodoEmpire | One of my favourites is the Khartoum/Zulu mod. |
| 02:02.34 | GD12 | ooh |
| 02:02.37 | GD12 | ive got to try that |
| 02:02.43 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah its great |
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| 02:05.01 | TekDroid | >.< Well my formula attempt keeps getting worse: https://i.imgur.com/S3dTCGjh.jpg |
| 02:05.59 | TekDroid | I just realized I'm using n for two unrelated purposes in that. >.> |
| 02:06.15 | DrodoEmpire | melts away slowly; "AAAAH THE MATH" |
| 02:06.20 | DrodoEmpire | MAAATH |
| 02:06.40 | TekDroid | No, it actually is horrible and not just you. |
| 02:07.04 | TekDroid | Wolfram alpha is no help. XD |
| 02:07.39 | TekDroid | And even if I do somehow solve that I still have to take he derivative of that. XD |
| 02:08.16 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 02:08.34 | TekDroid | TL;DR AAAAHHHH MATHHHHH! |
| 02:08.46 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 02:09.02 | GD12 | whats that even for |
| 02:09.21 | GD12 | what are you trying to model |
| 02:09.25 | TekDroid | A model for Andasium production. XD |
| 02:09.30 | GD12 | right |
| 02:09.35 | GD12 | so what are your assumptions and logic for it |
| 02:11.44 | GD12 | *the model that is |
| 02:13.15 | TekDroid | So first I took a model for peak oil: Q(t)=Qmax/(1+ae^-bt), where Q represents cumulative production and Qmax the max. |
| 02:13.36 | GD12 | then? |
| 02:14.52 | DrodoEmpire | "Q(t)=Qmax/(1+ae^-bt)" |
| 02:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9JA8Tk7Xo5g/hqdefault.jpg |
| 02:15.20 | DrodoEmpire | What kind of math sorcery is that... >.< |
| 02:15.55 | Aeo | Drodo: How old are you? |
| 02:15.57 | TekDroid | I set Qmax to be equivalent to the average amount of Andasium per volume of space (n) times an area of space. |
| 02:16.14 | GD12 | o |
| 02:16.40 | TekDroid | The total Area (A) of an empire is represented by an exponential function. |
| 02:18.18 | GD12 | average amount of Andasium per volume of space or area of space? |
| 02:19.13 | TekDroid | yes |
| 02:19.14 | GD12 | Qmax could also be = Average Amount of Andasium Per System * Systems in Empire |
| 02:19.24 | TekDroid | Since it's not colonized all at once, I made the total Q(t) equal to sum of infinitesimal changes of area (A(t+h)-A(t), etc) |
| 02:20.34 | GD12 | o |
| 02:21.47 | GD12 | idk making qmax directly proportional to amount of systems sounds like an easier thing to do :) |
| 02:22.02 | TekDroid | And the e^t at the bottom e^(t+h). This counted up while that counted down, as it's been harvested for a longer period |
| 02:22.33 | TekDroid | https://i.imgur.com/CmEA7zTh.jpg The rest of that page currently, |
| 02:22.47 | Comrade_Vinny | What math do in my head: ERROR 404 Brain not Found |
| 02:23.04 | TekDroid | My brain has stopped working now too. :P |
| 02:24.11 | GD12 | blah |
| 02:24.15 | GD12 | shouldnt you be doing rl math? |
| 02:24.30 | TekDroid | I'm on summer break as of 5 hours ago. |
| 02:24.36 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 02:24.39 | TekDroid | parties |
| 02:25.02 | TekDroid | realizes he has no job then curls up and cries to sleep |
| 02:25.08 | DrodoEmpire | >: |
| 02:25.10 | GD12 | o |
| 02:25.21 | GD12 | summer break |
| 02:25.24 | GD12 | wat |
| 02:25.40 | TekDroid | Exams are over for me. |
| 02:30.39 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 02:30.39 | infobot | methinks test is not funny |
| 02:31.23 | TekDroid | But yeah, I've been horribly nerd sniped and I still haven't solved it. >.> |
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| 07:19.59 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 07:36.33 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 08:51.55 | DarcySupremest | evening |
| 08:52.36 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:52.52 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 12:44.46 | DarcySupremest | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9HI4eudR8 |
| 12:44.53 | DarcySupremest | Think I found the Arcanium's Theme Music |
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| 13:33.52 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 13:35.27 | DarcySupremest | hey |
| 13:37.55 | DarcySupremest | I need somebody good at posing for ship battles |
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| 13:41.03 | OluapWorker | ipmu |
| 13:41.06 | OluapWorker | impu even |
| 13:43.11 | DarcySupremest | I just need some stock images for this rulebook is all |
| 13:43.21 | DarcySupremest | and I suck horribly at designing cool ships and posing them |
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| 14:09.52 | drom | ImpyDroid TekDroid: Finally an ad that makes fun of Online gaming and internet connectivity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyi1gm9Yjbk |
| 14:10.23 | TekDroid | Sorry, on my phone in the cafeteria |
| 14:12.39 | DarcySupremest | http://i.imgur.com/IUY00V2.png |
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| 14:16.15 | ImpyDroid | Hell that be brilliant |
| 14:16.32 | DarcySupremest | ? |
| 14:16.54 | DarcySupremest | Ah |
| 14:17.03 | DarcySupremest | ignore that I just had a brainfart and thought this was steam |
| 14:17.15 | DarcySupremest | I really have no idea how I made that mistake |
| 14:17.18 | DarcySupremest | I need to go to bed |
| 14:18.52 | drom | hur |
| 14:18.55 | drom | Americans |
| 14:19.03 | DarcySupremest | Hey I resent that |
| 14:19.10 | DarcySupremest | I am a proud colonial boy |
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| 14:20.13 | drom | Well, I don't quite understand the picture you provided. |
| 14:20.27 | drom | But it looks like a game I'd give a try |
| 14:20.42 | drom | Oh |
| 14:20.57 | drom | I'm dumb |
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| 14:21.04 | DarcySupremest | Its for the tabletop |
| 14:21.52 | DarcySupremest | I named it Caelors after the Arcanium's name for Space, Cael and a bastardisation of Sailors |
| 14:23.18 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/GjslNAQ.jpg |
| 14:23.48 | ImpyDroid | I think I know what that means |
| 14:23.48 | drom | It says "smoke wood everyday" |
| 14:23.54 | ImpyDroid | Ohgod |
| 14:24.02 | drom | It's because "ved" is pronounced as "weed" |
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| 14:25.33 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:25.38 | drom | Hello |
| 14:25.53 | DarcySupremest | Hulla at ya boi |
| 14:26.29 | drom | ImpyDroid: Product placement: http://i.imgur.com/CD00NUo.jpg |
| 14:27.08 | ImpyDroid | Rape nuts |
| 14:27.10 | ImpyDroid | Ohgod |
| 14:27.14 | ImpyDroid | Hi Monet |
| 14:34.48 | drom | ImpyDroid: This just popped up. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B4.D0.B0.D0.BC_.D0.B1.D1.83_.D0.B4.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B5.D0.B2.D1.8F.D0.BD.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.B5.D0.B2.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.BE.D0.BA.D0.BD.D0.B0_.D0.9C.D0.BE.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B2.D0.B0_84957828119 |
| 14:35.20 | ImpyDroid | Used wooden European windows in Moscow |
| 14:35.32 | OluapWorker | CHEEKI BREEKI |
| 14:36.18 | drom | I'm going to undo the edit |
| 14:36.19 | ImpyDroid | Let's pretend it's an actual in-universe advertisement from Human Superstate corporation |
| 14:36.27 | drom | Oh right. |
| 14:36.34 | ImpyDroid | corporations |
| 14:36.40 | ImpyDroid | Just kidding,, delete it |
| 14:36.46 | OluapWorker | Done that already |
| 14:38.08 | drom | Notice that there was a similar edit 20 days ago. |
| 14:41.40 | Monet | This makes me wonder how many english phrases there are that have been memeworthy to non-English speakers. |
| 14:42.18 | TekDroid | Huh. |
| 14:42.58 | DarcySupremest | Wait so did somebody just make a post to spam the URL? |
| 14:44.50 | drom | There was no url. |
| 14:45.20 | DarcySupremest | what happened? |
| 14:46.09 | drom | But what I've understood, the message directs to a private small company/business in Moscow. I think... |
| 14:46.44 | drom | Yep. Wooden windows. |
| 14:47.19 | Monet | Phrases like half of Gangam Style, "Cheeki Breeki" and "Allahu Akbar" seem to be popular for the ring they have to the sound of them. (maybe "Namaste" counts as well?) |
| 14:47.56 | DarcySupremest | really? |
| 14:48.02 | DarcySupremest | hahaha what? |
| 14:48.15 | Monet | They're catchy |
| 14:49.15 | Monet | Cockney Rhyming Slang could be a source, the nagain it's also memeworthy to people who speak English. |
| 14:49.34 | drom | Chav-speak aswell. |
| 14:49.58 | Monet | "innit blud" |
| 14:50.41 | Monet | Victorian English as well. |
| 14:51.40 | drom | I wonder how it would be been if the Norse languages still used the rune alphabet. |
| 14:51.47 | Monet | It's funny because no real English say "guv'ner" or "pip-pip cheerio" anymore. |
| 14:53.08 | TekDroid | Drom: So this was about where I gave up on my attempt at the production equation: https://i.imgur.com/S3dTCGjh.jpg XD |
| 14:53.35 | drom | lims nnnnngh |
| 14:53.41 | drom | I hate the lim equations |
| 14:53.46 | drom | becuase I just don't understand them |
| 14:54.01 | Monet | Muh brain |
| 14:54.22 | TekDroid | The production equation is the derivative of all of that. O.o |
| 14:55.29 | drom | I actually understand what and how lims are used. But I just don't fucking know how to calculate the h. |
| 14:56.24 | TekDroid | II have enough reasonable equations that I could probably get a reasonable approximation using a brute force approach in a code. |
| 14:57.08 | ImpyDroid | Monet: U wot m8 counts too |
| 14:57.28 | ImpyDroid | drom: Ã, son. Ã. |
| 14:57.57 | drom | ImpyDroid Monet: Jo vuot mae?! |
| 14:58.28 | ImpyDroid | Any Muhricans here? |
| 14:59.32 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I'd be disappointed but then again "Cheeki Breeki" sounds as corrupting of its parent language as "U wot m8" |
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| 15:00.30 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 15:00.39 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:00.49 | Monet | So I guess part of the meme is funny pronounciation. |
| 15:01.02 | Halopediaman | waves |
| 15:01.04 | ImpyDroid | Well, Cheeki Breeki is about as low-class as U wot m8 |
| 15:01.18 | ImpyDroid | It means something like "Okie-dokie" |
| 15:01.28 | Monet | Lol! |
| 15:01.46 | ImpyDroid | Halopediaman: How many girls are usually in a high school cheerleader team in the USA? |
| 15:02.01 | drom | Halopediaman: RUN FORREST GRAMP! RUUUUUUUUUN! |
| 15:02.35 | Halopediaman | Whoa there |
| 15:03.09 | Halopediaman | Uhm, I honestly have no idea. As a short chubby male, I didn't exactly join the cheerleading team. |
| 15:03.19 | drom | ImpyDroid: Usually even numbers. |
| 15:03.47 | ImpyDroid | Rite |
| 15:04.10 | DarcySupremest | Okay who likes is good at shipbuilding in spore and wants to do me a big ol' favor at some point? |
| 15:04.33 | drom | I would, but I'm running on a toaster right now |
| 15:04.48 | Monet | "The literal translation of the phase (A nu chiki-briki i v damki!) is âOne, two â youâre on top!â" - Knoew Your Meme > so... chiki-briki is "one, two"? |
| 15:05.18 | Monet | Or is it something else? |
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| 15:05.55 | ImpyDroid | I think it depends on the context |
| 15:06.21 | Halopediaman | Is the world ending or something? Why are half my webpages not coming up and there's a large number of sirens outside? |
| 15:06.29 | drom | Russian and Ukranian is context-sensitive. |
| 15:06.35 | drom | Just like computer programming. |
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| 15:06.50 | ImpyDroid | "V damki" is a checkers thing |
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| 15:07.20 | GD12 | hai |
| 15:07.23 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 15:07.29 | DarcySupremest | aylow |
| 15:07.33 | Monet | Well, in English "one-two" is a euphamism for "left-hook-then-right-hook punch" |
| 15:08.08 | DarcySupremest | I just need like 6 pictures of ships for this rulebook |
| 15:08.51 | Monet | So if the context is one-two and fighting "how about i chiki-briki your shit" could translate as "how about I batter the shit out of you?" |
| 15:10.28 | GD12 | DarcySupremest : What kind of ships? |
| 15:10.48 | DarcySupremest | They'd be the specific classes for the rulebook |
| 15:11.09 | GD12 | So which classes are those |
| 15:11.18 | GD12 | I have about ~3 dozen ship pngs on the wiki |
| 15:11.36 | DarcySupremest | Cruiser, Sniper, Corvette, Weapons Platform, Dreadnaught and Frigate |
| 15:11.50 | DarcySupremest | Those are my core classes for now |
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| 15:13.43 | DarcySupremest | Thing is I wanted this to be very custom friendly, like the idea is that everybody on the wiki can roll up their fleet and have a personal battle with another guy who rolled up their own fleet |
| 15:14.08 | drom | Tek0516: a and b are constants, are they predefined or what? |
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| 15:14.44 | Ghel | What sort of pictures do you want? |
| 15:14.52 | DarcySupremest | So I was kind of looking to get 6 orginal generic looking ships to just sort of show off what the class would look like in concept |
| 15:14.59 | drom | TekDroid: I tried to give you the question: a and b are constants, are they predefined or what? |
| 15:15.05 | Comrade_Vinny | Darcy: Maybe it woul;d be good to switch Weapons platform and snipers for Fighters and Bombers |
| 15:15.09 | drom | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory#Hubbert_curve |
| 15:15.17 | Ghel | For example, to use some of my images to illustrate, do you want them just against blank backgrounds like http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Makeshift.png or action images like http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:RapidFireMissiles.png or something else? |
| 15:15.26 | DarcySupremest | Those are coming Comrade Vinny |
| 15:15.38 | DarcySupremest | Bombers and Fighters are getting their own ruleset |
| 15:16.03 | Comrade_Vinny | BEcause honestly, I'm not sure what exactly are snipers ships ^^ |
| 15:16.14 | DarcySupremest | Because a Fighter Squadron or a Bomber Sortie wouldn't fly or act as a Cruiser or Frigate |
| 15:16.15 | Comrade_Vinny | MAybe Destroyers |
| 15:16.16 | drom | Comrade_Vinny: Artillery. |
| 15:16.26 | DarcySupremest | Sniper is just a working name for |
| 15:16.30 | DarcySupremest | Massive Range |
| 15:17.05 | drom | Artillery is aswell a working name for massive range, but applied as blind fire. |
| 15:17.26 | Ghel | Blind fire in space would be quite an usual tactic. |
| 15:17.49 | TekDroid | Drom: The a and b are constants that are used in the formula for the shape of the hubbert curve. |
| 15:17.50 | DarcySupremest | And a weapons platform is basically a ship that exists as nothing else but as a means to carry a specific weapon |
| 15:18.00 | Comrade_Vinny | ANyway, I have the APR ship pictures here if you want |
| 15:18.07 | Comrade_Vinny | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic/Military |
| 15:18.52 | DarcySupremest | So if anybody wants to take the massive effort to make 6 original ship designs just because they like me or the project |
| 15:19.04 | DarcySupremest | I'll buy you a coffe somehow |
| 15:19.08 | TekDroid | The oil production was the derivative of Qmax/(1+ae^-bt), I believe. |
| 15:20.08 | GD12 | with respect to time i'm assuming |
| 15:20.26 | TekDroid | Yes, |
| 15:20.43 | DarcySupremest | Well of course |
| 15:20.51 | drom | TekDroid: I'm going to assume the Qmax as y = gh |
| 15:20.54 | DarcySupremest | I don't care how long it takes, its not like Caelors has a dead line |
| 15:21.31 | drom | Where g is an estimateable constant of amount of available raw Andasium per fixed volume. |
| 15:21.42 | drom | h the amount of available depots |
| 15:21.48 | TekDroid | I max Qnax a function of Area (A) time average occurence per volume (n) |
| 15:21.58 | DarcySupremest | I can give you more complex Descriptions if you like GD12 |
| 15:22.17 | GD12 | Sure that would be nice |
| 15:22.22 | GD12 | I won't be albe to do them for a while |
| 15:22.24 | drom | I was about to define it as y = gh - Q'(t) only to find out it's a tad silly. |
| 15:23.36 | TekDroid | To adjust the curve for time I defined the total production as a sum of that function for an infinite sum of initesimals, with the t term at the both having a corrected time offset. |
| 15:23.44 | DarcySupremest | Its no problem |
| 15:24.02 | DarcySupremest | I'd do them myself its just, I suck at drawing and making convincing looking ships in spore |
| 15:25.05 | TekDroid | I'm Still not entirely sure I was doing it right. XD |
| 15:25.23 | drom | hur |
| 15:26.39 | TekDroid | Probably not. XD |
| 15:27.20 | TekDroid | I'll try again later. :P |
| 15:28.13 | Comrade_Vinny | Darcy: You can also use mines if you wish |
| 15:28.33 | DarcySupremest | Thanks! |
| 15:28.41 | drom | Going to assume that g is 1,000,000 trillion kilotonnes. |
| 15:28.52 | drom | (yolo) |
| 15:29.51 | TekDroid | G was the average rate of increase of an empire's volume. (i.e. 10% annual growth = 1.10) |
| 15:29.57 | drom | 12+3+6 zeroes. |
| 15:30.16 | drom | That's 19 zeroes if converted to tonnes |
| 15:30.46 | TekDroid | I defined the Area of an empire as an exponential function: A(t)=a*g^t where a is the size of the empire at t=0 |
| 15:31.22 | drom | Well I'm just going to stop there. |
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| 15:31.39 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 15:31.41 | Monet | Hi |
| 15:31.51 | TekDroid | The rate pf production isn't even in that equation I showed you yet. XD |
| 15:31.59 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 15:32.00 | drom | It's easier to make up the formula use constants are temponary placeholders for additional functions |
| 15:32.13 | Monet | The problem with using system count as a measure of an empire's output is the majority of anasite is in either supernova remnants or asteroids. |
| 15:32.18 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
| 15:32.18 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
| 15:32.19 | TekDroid | That's what I did Drom. |
| 15:32.31 | Hachiman | <3 |
| 15:32.32 | drom | Sssch, give me some time too. :( |
| 15:33.09 | TekDroid | Monet: That's why I'm using volume instead of system count for mine. >.> |
| 15:33.19 | Monet | TekDroid: Fair enough |
| 15:34.10 | Monet | I have some competence with photoshop so I could look into some distribution maps if I have time. |
| 15:34.25 | ImpyDroid | This may be a weird question |
| 15:34.34 | TekDroid | The only mention of Andasium is the constant n at the beginning of it (accidentally used n twice) which is trillion tonnes of Andasium per say ly^3. |
| 15:34.39 | ImpyDroid | But what accent does Peppa Pig speak with? |
| 15:34.51 | drom | Tried to define the deposit amount. But I made a mistake. http://i.imgur.com/reGjWYJ.png |
| 15:35.43 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Four year old. |
| 15:35.52 | ImpyDroid | Rite |
| 15:36.31 | ImpyDroid | I assume the adult characters speak RP or something considering it is a children's show |
| 15:36.51 | Monet | Probably |
| 15:37.22 | Monet | Oooooh Radio 2's playing "I am the very model of a modern major general" |
| 15:39.49 | ImpyDroid | Peppa Pig is a ridiculously cute cartoon hur |
| 15:42.11 | drom | TekDroid: Neither do I've a single idea: http://i.imgur.com/Vqj7vaZ.png |
| 15:45.09 | drom | brb getting food before selling more of my brain to the satan of maths |
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| 15:49.58 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:50.03 | drom | Hey |
| 15:50.22 | TekDroid | Drom: Q(t) is also cumulative production, not production rate. |
| 15:50.36 | drom | I heard that already |
| 15:50.56 | drom | Also, what was the g in your A(t) equation again? |
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| 15:54.43 | Hachiman | Right back on actual PC now |
| 15:54.44 | TekDroid | rate of expansion. |
| 15:54.51 | OluapWorker | hai |
| 15:55.03 | Hachiman | Are we still on about economic stuff |
| 15:55.07 | Hachiman | Jesus Christ you guys are boring |
| 15:55.20 | OluapWorker | I'm finally done expanding all the creature and captain pages of the Indoc Collective |
| 15:55.25 | OluapWorker | That took way too long |
| 15:55.26 | Hachiman | Oh sweet |
| 15:55.36 | drom | Interesting |
| 15:57.03 | Monet | Hachiman: Economics is interesting to some people. |
| 15:57.36 | drom | Monet: It's however a hard subject to tame. |
| 15:58.00 | Monet | ALthough maybe reducing how to measure the availability of the most plentiful fuel source in the 1st gig to a complicated equation may be sucking the fun out for some people. |
| 15:59.17 | drom | Wormy_: My favorite SS13 got this up as their lobby cover. http://i.imgur.com/m3fO2Pl.png |
| 15:59.26 | drom | favorite SS13 server even |
| 16:00.35 | Wormy_ | lokl |
| 16:00.58 | Monet | http://www.deviantart.com/art/Justice-is-Blind-528312643 there's Daredevil fanart already (for the new show I mean) |
| 16:04.50 | OluapWorker | I got the Indocs, Marinox, Gros and Ernai done |
| 16:04.57 | Monet | Oh bloody hell Farage http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32409901 |
| 16:04.58 | OluapWorker | Still need to do Dream stuff and the Corruptus |
| 16:05.02 | OluapWorker | Nnngh this is gonna take ages |
| 16:05.11 | OluapWorker | Oh yeah and Borealis stuff |
| 16:05.42 | Monet | "Migrants trying to cross the Mediterranean to reach Europe should be returned to where they came from, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said." |
| 16:07.10 | Wormy_ | Monet: He said the other day he would be happy to allow christian asylum seekers in |
| 16:07.31 | Wormy_ | Favouritism |
| 16:07.58 | Wormy_ | I do not want to live in this country if we have a Torie-UKIP coalition |
| 16:08.15 | Monet | That's it I'm voting Lib-Dem |
| 16:08.41 | Wormy_ | I'm voting Green because I have no faith in them anymore |
| 16:09.18 | Monet | I'd vote Green but I'm not 100% sure how wel lthey'd actually do as a party in power. |
| 16:09.51 | Wormy_ | A lot of people voting UKIP think its great because "Farage visits the pub, he's one of us" |
| 16:10.14 | Monet | It's PR bullshit. |
| 16:10.40 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure either, but I know for sure that the three main parties are not that different to each other |
| 16:11.14 | Wormy_ | And I do criticise some of the Green's ideological grounds as well, like opposing GM crops even for humanitarian efforts |
| 16:11.58 | Monet | THe Lib Dems did act as a stopgap to some degree on Conservative policies. |
| 16:12.51 | Monet | Not perfect but a pure Tory government could ahve been worse |
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| 16:17.12 | DarcySupremest | Anti GM is such a backwards way of thinking |
| 16:17.24 | DarcySupremest | We need it if we want big populations |
| 16:17.33 | Monet | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide#tab=issue!issue=priorities!party=ld!nation=uk I think Lib Dems have promise |
| 16:17.50 | DarcySupremest | Genetic Modification doesn't even mean anything right now anyway, its just selective breeding but it sounds scarier |
| 16:18.41 | Monet | Well actually scientific processes are used. |
| 16:19.06 | DarcySupremest | well of course but it comes down to centuries of breeding and artificial selection |
| 16:19.38 | DarcySupremest | What the bleeding heart hippy types and angry Conservative Types think GMs are is probably more acurately described as Genetic Engineering |
| 16:19.40 | Monet | But a common (and inaccurate) term for GM foods is "frankenfoods" which I find a bit disrespectful. |
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| 16:20.30 | Wormy_ | I'm fond of these guys http://www.loonyparty.com/about/policy-proposals/ |
| 16:20.35 | Monet | Actually a degree of the GMO business is genetic engneering. But yeah they make it seem more like mad science than actual science. |
| 16:22.24 | Monet | The only Lib Dem policy I really question is cutting the funding to our three at-se nuclear submarines. |
| 16:22.53 | DarcySupremest | See politics are weird |
| 16:22.59 | DarcySupremest | here the liberal democrats are insane idiots |
| 16:23.16 | DarcySupremest | that want to privatise every goddamn thing that makes this country so economically sound |
| 16:23.40 | DarcySupremest | like they want to totally scrap public healthcare and turn us into some pseudo US wannabe state |
| 16:23.53 | Monet | Oh I'm all for nationalised healthcare |
| 16:24.32 | Monet | I don't want to be footed a bill of thousands just because I roke my leg and had to call 911 |
| 16:24.41 | Monet | broke* |
| 16:25.11 | DarcySupremest | Its dumb, the liberal democrats here are a joke |
| 16:25.26 | Monet | And the COnservative Republicans? |
| 16:25.47 | DarcySupremest | And the annoying problem is the Airsoft Reform Committee I follow keeps urging everybody to vote for them |
| 16:26.58 | DarcySupremest | And I always urge against it on facebook because "Getting Plastic Toy guns legalised at the cost of losing medicare and lowering the minimum wage is about the stupidest thing ever" |
| 16:28.28 | Monet | Wait...so even though Obama's democrats pushed a (dubious) step towards universal healthcare they want to remove the system? |
| 16:28.50 | DarcySupremest | Monet do you take me for a yankee doodle dandy sir |
| 16:29.18 | Monet | I have no idea. |
| 16:29.27 | DarcySupremest | Straya born and rep |
| 16:30.03 | Monet | Oh *those* democrats |
| 16:30.14 | DarcySupremest | Glory to the Stockade and the men of Bakery Hill |
| 16:30.22 | Monet | I forgot you're Australian. |
| 16:30.41 | DarcySupremest | But yeah |
| 16:31.00 | DarcySupremest | Social Healthcare and a high Minimum wage made this country a massive envy for years |
| 16:31.26 | Monet | OKay now I get you |
| 16:31.38 | DarcySupremest | But of course, the Coalition Systematically removed half of that |
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| 16:31.55 | DarcySupremest | and as if its not bad enough the Lib Dems here want even more laws and regulations removed |
| 16:32.00 | Monet | I was confused because I heard "democrat" and "healthcare" and thought "the US ACA is getting repealed" |
| 16:32.36 | DarcySupremest | Nah its just the dying insane kicks of the elder heavy population and its idiot conservatives |
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| 16:33.24 | Monet | "Consult on introducing a Basic Income, a fixed amount paid to every individual" - one of the Green Parry's policies. I...kinda disagree with this idea |
| 16:33.26 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10999689_339524046238247_7862829789356973874_n.png?oh=39e971628f69066f0eb1a16e5952b281&oe=55DB0220 brr |
| 16:34.03 | Monet | It's a nice idea but in this current economic climate is it viable? |
| 16:34.57 | Comrade_Vinny | Well, technically yes, since all it would do is raise the inflation at the cost of the richer people |
| 16:35.16 | Monet | COmrade_VInny: Yeah that money has got to come form somewhere. |
| 16:35.33 | Monet | And not being paid unless you work for it is kinda in incentive for, yknow, working. |
| 16:35.41 | DarcySupremest | Anyway, I have to go to bed now, see you all at some point for tommorrow |
| 16:35.45 | Comrade_Vinny | That is what is actually funny with money, you can litteraly create it out of thin air :) |
| 16:36.16 | Comrade_Vinny | Money is really one hell of a strange thing |
| 16:36.27 | Monet | Yeah but when governments print it to pay their budget it becomes worthless pretty quickly |
| 16:36.44 | Monet | "Scrap all the UK's nuclear weapons" and this is so idealistic it's kinda silly.- the fact everyone had nuclear weapons was one of the deterrents of WWIII during the COld War |
| 16:37.07 | Comrade_Vinny | Money isn't mreally created by the printing of it. Printed money account for less then 5% of the total money in circulation |
| 16:37.17 | Comrade_Vinny | Money is creating by banking |
| 16:38.04 | Monet | "Introduce a maximum 35-hour working week " ...seriously? |
| 16:38.05 | Comrade_Vinny | Here is how the very vast majority of money is created: Dude A depose 100 bucks at bank A |
| 16:38.17 | Wormy_ | I suspect if the UK was to ditch its Trident system, we'd discreetly pay the US a lot of money to have an American sub roam for us. |
| 16:38.34 | Comrade_Vinny | Bank A lend it 95 of these 100 bucks to Dude B |
| 16:38.54 | Comrade_Vinny | And 95% is very generous amount. It normally goes to around 99% |
| 16:39.08 | Wormy_ | Then we'd have to appease the US even more lol |
| 16:39.10 | Comrade_Vinny | Dude B spends it is commerce C |
| 16:39.27 | Comrade_Vinny | Commerce C desposit these 95 bucks to Bank D |
| 16:39.35 | Comrade_Vinny | Bank D lends it to Dude E |
| 16:40.03 | Monet | Wormy_: SO essentially the Greens' plan will make the UK the US's bitch even more :P |
| 16:40.19 | Comrade_Vinny | Dude E spends the loaned 90 bucks in Commerce F, which deposit it in Bank G and etc |
| 16:40.43 | Comrade_Vinny | That is how banks are creating 1.000 bucks with an originall 100 bucks |
| 16:40.55 | Wormy_ | yeah probably |
| 16:41.01 | Monet | One of the driving factors for the value of money is supply and demand. |
| 16:41.24 | Monet | Whe nthe supply of money is plentiful compared to how much it is needed daily, its value goes down |
| 16:41.43 | Hachiman | I can already feel my vitality being sapped away by reading all of this |
| 16:41.47 | Comrade_Vinny | That would technically work, if there was a limit to the Demand |
| 16:42.17 | Comrade_Vinny | But as long as people have Trust in the system, the Demand for money will always be there |
| 16:42.27 | Comrade_Vinny | Trust is the basis of economy |
| 16:43.37 | Hachiman | Man the wiki must be really inactive if you guys have been speaking about economic rates for the entire day |
| 16:43.57 | Comrade_Vinny | People had trust in the value of gold, therefor the demand for gold was very unlimited |
| 16:44.06 | Monet | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fWN039cQw hope this cheers you up |
| 16:44.11 | Wormy_ | We've out-grown Spore, that is all. |
| 16:44.19 | Hachiman | Ew Vanoss |
| 16:44.26 | Wormy_ | got hair on our faces, and so on |
| 16:44.28 | Comrade_Vinny | Even if gold is, overall, pretty useless |
| 16:44.28 | Hachiman | Well no not ew Vanoss |
| 16:45.05 | Monet | I didn't know! |
| 16:45.15 | Hachiman | Vanoss is okay hur |
| 16:45.19 | Monet | I was looking for random funny shit in YouTube. |
| 16:45.31 | Hachiman | Delirious is in there so it's all good hur |
| 16:45.32 | Wormy_ | I can help you with that. |
| 16:45.37 | Hachiman | And Nogla |
| 16:46.04 | Comrade_Vinny | Monet: If you ever feel depressed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpl5mOAXNl4 |
| 16:48.43 | Wormy_ | Monet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV6GQ49DWoQ |
| 16:49.54 | Wormy_ | and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPlSP6V8x5g |
| 16:51.35 | Monet | Hachiman: I was more interested in examining the feisability and what I think of the UK parties' policies. |
| 16:51.50 | Hachiman | UKIP and Labour need to gtfo |
| 16:52.04 | Hachiman | Green is preferable by merit of being lesser evi; |
| 16:52.06 | Hachiman | evil even |
| 16:53.13 | Monet | Then after I asked where money for the Green's Basic Income idea (they want to pay everyone in the country a minimum amount regardless of if they're employed) Vinny started again about how "strange" Fiat currency is. |
| 16:54.48 | Monet | Personally though I don't give a shit how much "real value" a currency has because even commodity money has an abstract and entirely human-invented value. |
| 16:57.02 | Wormy_ | more randumbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO63Ih0UAWE |
| 16:58.04 | Comrade_Vinny | That is true, money has no real value |
| 16:58.27 | Comrade_Vinny | The real value are the Consumer Goods |
| 17:00.39 | Monet | "Scrap Human Rights Act and replace with a British Bill of Rights" - Found this i nthe Tory manifesto. |
| 17:02.08 | Imperios | Fun |
| 17:02.44 | Imperios | Funny because I just saw a BNP supporter spouting nationalist shit on YouTube |
| 17:03.36 | Imperios | "We will rising again , and comunists gay scum cannot stop us this time , urss is die it's time for our rebirth , SIEG HEIL 14/88!!!! Golden dawn in greece , forza nuova and casapound in italy , bnp in england , npd in germany and others ?, we are rising and comunists can't stop us" |
| 17:04.01 | Imperios | My response could be summed up as "Come and get us if you can" |
| 17:04.18 | Hachiman | "We have a BNP" "We have a Putin" |
| 17:05.13 | Imperios | I don't get why right-wing nuts in your countries like Putin |
| 17:06.13 | Comrade_Vinny | Me neither. Pretty sure he would send them work in the old gulags. |
| 17:06.34 | Monet | It might be because of his memetic reputation. |
| 17:07.43 | Monet | I remember during a debate it was brought up that someone on a foru mcommented that if Ed Miliband and Vladimir Putin entered a room together, Putin would leave it and Miliband would be in a thousand pieces on the floor. |
| 17:07.51 | Imperios | Comrade_Vinny: We don't have gulags anymore hur but... yes you're pretty much right |
| 17:08.38 | Wormy_ | What I caught my younger cousin watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5SZzFaAZyY |
| 17:08.39 | Imperios | Russia may be more aggressive but extreme forms of nationalism are frowned at in the country, Putin is pro-multiculturalism *as long as everyone is loyal to Russia* |
| 17:09.06 | Imperios | We have hate speech laws |
| 17:09.31 | Imperios | It's just the gays we don't like, really |
| 17:10.31 | OluapWorker | y must u hate poor hachi like dis |
| 17:11.18 | Monet | Admittedly I should be working |
| 17:12.47 | Imperios | Funny because "blue" is Russian slang for "gay" |
| 17:16.45 | Comrade_Vinny | Monet: get ot n wurk u lazy buy! |
| 17:17.15 | Monet | Comrade_Vinny: Et tu Vinny? You working too? |
| 17:18.18 | Hachiman | Imperios: Also for once I get to tell a story about non-binary people in that a lesbian girl bought a pack of custard cream biscuits for me today hur |
| 17:18.28 | Comrade_Vinny | Yah |
| 17:18.45 | Imperios | nyan |
| 17:19.06 | Comrade_Vinny | Everyday from 8am to 2pm and then off to school from 2:30pm to 9:30pm |
| 17:19.12 | Imperios | Most lesbian girls I know are crazy manic pixie dream girls |
| 17:19.16 | Imperios | *lesbians |
| 17:19.21 | Imperios | Lesbian girls is redundant |
| 17:19.34 | Comrade_Vinny | Count yourself lucky Imper, for you at least know girls ^^ |
| 17:19.40 | Imperios | Who hate Putin |
| 17:19.47 | Hachiman | She reminds me of myself in that she is pretty much AM in tubby female form hur |
| 17:21.07 | Hachiman | Also the fact I help her cope with the fact she lives with Christian fundamentalist parents that do not accept homosexuality |
| 17:21.26 | Hachiman | With Asian-level standards in regards to her grades |
| 17:21.47 | Imperios | So happy together, hating all life |
| 17:22.03 | Imperios | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ97YJE4cSI |
| 17:22.43 | Hachiman | The part where he kicks the midget is always my favourite hur |
| 17:23.54 | Hachiman | Also I just realised that Garrosh is punching Thrall |
| 17:23.57 | Hachiman | Ironic hur |
| 17:24.08 | Imperios | It's a gnome u ignoramus |
| 17:24.17 | Imperios | Gnome punting is a sacred Warcraft tradition |
| 17:25.24 | Hachiman | I thought it was a gnome |
| 17:25.33 | Hachiman | Good thing too because I dislike gnomes hur |
| 17:25.57 | Hachiman | I am rather glad gnomes are not a thing in Koldenwelt |
| 17:26.02 | Monet | Garrosh lost a lto of respect for Thrall i nthe Siege of Orgrimmar |
| 17:26.11 | Monet | But everyone hates Green Jesus |
| 17:27.47 | Imperios | Well WoW gnomes were one of the inspirations for the Klaxxa so they sort of are |
| 17:28.27 | Hachiman | Yes but Klaxxa fit with Koldenwelt's setting |
| 17:28.42 | Hachiman | Gnomes are intentionally portrayed to be outside of a setting's norms a lot of the time |
| 17:29.04 | Hachiman | Their entire purpose is "lol so randumb" |
| 17:29.42 | Imperios | D&D gnomes are magic creatures right? |
| 17:29.50 | Hachiman | Yes |
| 17:30.06 | Hachiman | They are basically to elves what halflings are to humans |
| 17:30.31 | OluapWorker | because D&D gnomes are the only gnomes in the world |
| 17:30.38 | OluapWorker | Actual gnomes are earth elementals |
| 17:30.52 | Imperios | Mini-elves |
| 17:31.01 | Imperios | That's so painful to imagine it hurts |
| 17:31.03 | Monet | I now in Forgotten Realms that elves ,fairies and pixies come from an alternate realm called the Feywild. |
| 17:31.11 | Monet | know* |
| 17:31.26 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/QS3okrv.jpg |
| 17:31.50 | Hachiman | drom: NO |
| 17:32.41 | drom | Ssssch, it's all dreams now. |
| 17:33.09 | Imperios | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:33.46 | OluapWorker | fukin furfags |
| 17:40.45 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/aU36d8u.png |
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| 17:55.20 | drom | mymind.png http://i.imgur.com/Bc3CLmP.png |
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| 18:03.38 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 18:04.37 | Xho | u |
| 18:05.37 | Imperios | >her enormous |
| 18:05.38 | Imperios | wait what |
| 18:05.40 | Imperios | NO |
| 18:05.48 | Xho | SÃ |
| 18:06.20 | Wormy_ | So, the Heralds have killed all my crew members in STO as soon as I beamed down to the invasion |
| 18:06.50 | Wormy_ | And for the first time, I don't have a medical tricorder |
| 18:09.38 | Hachiman | >her enormous |
| 18:09.46 | Hachiman | >HER enormous dick |
| 18:11.14 | OluapWorker | Hamoins - im on top today |
| 18:11.43 | Xho | Longinus - aur preserve what dignity I have left |
| 18:16.52 | Monet | Wormy_: Your team got wrekd |
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| 18:23.54 | GD12 | ooh the andromedap part of GXS is beginning? |
| 18:23.55 | GD12 | nice |
| 18:27.33 | Xho | https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CDNm2tpW8AA5nEq.mp4 YOU WANT CUTE I'LL GIVE YOU CUTE |
| 18:28.51 | OluapWorker | oh my gosh <333 |
| 18:30.01 | Monet | GD12: The DCP's rampage has begun |
| 18:30.10 | drom | Imperios: http://hugecartoons.com/comics/2014-08-13-Space-Vampire.png |
| 18:30.36 | Imperios | HUR |
| 18:32.08 | Xho | Even I squeal when I see that gif |
| 18:32.11 | Xho | It's just so damn cute |
| 18:33.05 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Recruitment#The_Devoted_Researcher nerdos |
| 18:34.50 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N7w17Kx3xs Works best when listening to this |
| 18:35.04 | Hachiman | At 06:15 |
| 18:35.48 | OluapWorker | THE AYYLEINS |
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| 19:04.45 | Wormy_ | Monet: I won't spioil the Iconian invasion, but Starfleet, KDF and Romulan fleet got wrekd |
| 19:04.53 | Wormy_ | And much worse happened |
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| 19:09.53 | Monet | I guessed they'd get wrekd |
| 19:11.12 | Wormy_ | There was a great loss, even I am stunned |
| 19:11.32 | Wormy_ | But its too much of a poiler |
| 19:11.37 | Wormy_ | spoiler |
| 19:12.07 | Wormy_ | Also Sector Space really looks like space now and doesn't look crowded |
| 19:13.19 | drom | Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/m5oAM.png |
| 19:13.34 | drom | Arrival is where you spawn in a mid-game. |
| 19:14.12 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:16.17 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/fWeFZqy.png |
| 19:16.31 | drom | Goat Simulator meets SS13 |
| 19:16.48 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 19:20.46 | Wormy_ | http://phys.org/news/2015-04-dna-bacteria-crucial-ecosystem-defies.html |
| 19:33.35 | Wormy_ | Oh wow, Sega Dreamcast going for 32 quid |
| 19:33.52 | Wormy_ | That brings me back, still have all the games somewhere |
| 19:34.09 | OluapWorker | 32 squids |
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| 19:34.36 | Xho | wbwwbwlblbl |
| 19:35.57 | Wormy_ | Shenume, Ecco the Dolphin, magrace, Toy Soldiers, etc |
| 19:36.25 | OluapWorker | I remember playing Ecco the Dolphin and not knowing what the hell to do |
| 19:36.48 | OluapWorker | i ended up just making the dolphin jump off the water a few times |
| 19:38.04 | Wormy_ | Same |
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| 19:41.05 | HachiTop | Sitting downstairs with dogs |
| 19:44.04 | Wormy_ | What does the "Top" mean? |
| 19:44.09 | Technobliterator | laptop |
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| 19:44.53 | Imperios | Hachiman OluapWorker: Nice, I liked the sinister atmosphere |
| 19:44.59 | Imperios | And yes, AYYLEINS |
| 19:45.24 | Wormy_ | Funny because I'm on a laptop |
| 19:45.27 | Wormy_ | derp herp |
| 19:45.41 | OluapWorker | gud |
| 19:45.58 | OluapWorker | Hachi's section is currently being written |
| 19:46.04 | OluapWorker | As in, his formal introduction in fiction |
| 19:53.35 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/1bPETdE |
| 19:54.12 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/QKCjCvl |
| 19:56.32 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/oS3QsdO |
| 19:57.19 | Wormy_ | Zombie trooper http://imgur.com/gallery/oS3QsdO |
| 19:57.47 | Wormy_ | I did not know this creature existed http://imgur.com/gallery/Tm05gsh |
| 19:58.06 | Wormy_ | My frozen heart it just slightly less cold |
| 19:59.14 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.41 | Wormy_ | it was more like a cat |
| 20:00.16 | Wormy_ | Sadly it was long before I was born so I don't remember it |
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| 20:02.39 | DrodoEmpire | Hi everyone |
| 20:02.54 | GD12 | Hey |
| 20:05.17 | drom | Wormy_ Comrade_Vinny: Got to play as a chef in SS13. The very first thing I got to do was taking the lifeless furry co-worker, who was abused by several greytides (assistants) and a chaplin, and drag it into the meat grinder. Then I made hamburgers of the meat and served it to everyone. |
| 20:12.07 | Hachiman | Back |
| 20:12.18 | Hachiman | And Titanpad is acting up again it appears |
| 20:13.04 | Xho | toitonpod |
| 20:13.24 | Xho | I wonder if I can get the concept of Hyperuranion into my fiction |
| 20:14.06 | Xho | Technically the Xhodocto are the hyperuranion so blah |
| 20:14.29 | Xho | Theoretical anyway |
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| 20:15.36 | OluapWorker | wat dat even |
| 20:15.58 | Technobliterator | when do I get to do stuff in fog war |
| 20:16.00 | Technobliterator | ;_; |
| 20:16.51 | OluapWorker | never lol |
| 20:17.01 | Technobliterator | ;____; |
| 20:17.14 | Xho | The Hyperuranion is the idea that there is a place beyond heaven in which the idea that God controls all universal motion from outside of heaven itself |
| 20:17.32 | Xho | The medieval side of it |
| 20:17.47 | Xho | Plato's side of it is a little more complicated |
| 20:17.57 | OluapWorker | God - dis is HEAVEN'S HEAVEN |
| 20:18.46 | OluapWorker | Goddamnit Titanpad ngh |
| 20:19.06 | OluapWorker | Right in the end of the section it just goes full retard |
| 20:19.17 | Technobliterator | I actually had a few fiction ideas, then I realised none of them would work because I killed off Zaarkhun |
| 20:19.28 | Technobliterator | And I remembered why I never kill off characters |
| 20:19.44 | OluapWorker | weeeh im too afraid of change |
| 20:19.48 | OluapWorker | Also you ahve fat Zaarkhun |
| 20:19.51 | Technobliterator | never used to, anyway |
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| 20:20.56 | Technobliterator | Eh |
| 20:21.04 | Technobliterator | I don't think they'd work as well with Billig |
| 20:21.38 | Technobliterator | But I don't want to bring Zaarkhun back at all, let alone for a fiction I *might* write, it'd just cheapen his death |
| 20:22.19 | OluapWorker | Plus Zaarkhun has been back from the dead plenty of times already |
| 20:23.03 | Technobliterator | that too |
| 20:23.19 | Technobliterator | he's also been in plenty of fictions already |
| 20:23.33 | OluapWorker | u wont do anythin anyway cus u ded |
| 20:23.40 | OluapWorker | write fukin hagot'zhl section already |
| 20:23.44 | OluapWorker | hagto even |
| 20:23.45 | Technobliterator | see that's the thing |
| 20:24.01 | Technobliterator | this was the first time a proper idea had come to me in ages |
| 20:24.17 | Technobliterator | maybe I'm slowly slipping back into this place |
| 20:24.54 | OluapWorker | Should have never left to begin with |
| 20:25.12 | Technobliterator | ur fault for showin me dumta |
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| 20:25.58 | HachiTop | Just a backup do not worry hur |
| 20:26.27 | Technobliterator | hachi, is your internet, like, super unstable? |
| 20:26.30 | Technobliterator | 0.o |
| 20:27.40 | Hachiman | Not really |
| 20:27.42 | Hachiman | Well |
| 20:27.46 | Hachiman | Only occasionally hur |
| 20:27.50 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Freeland_City_States#Culture Blood sacrificesh |
| 20:27.58 | Hachiman | Also guys |
| 20:28.00 | Hachiman | Behold |
| 20:28.06 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Recruitment#Rise_of_Hachiman WIIIIIIIIIENER |
| 20:28.08 | Hachiman | Hachiman's official intro into the Fictionverse |
| 20:28.11 | Technobliterator | I was gonna suggest using irccloud if you wanted a backup |
| 20:28.12 | Technobliterator | :O |
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| 20:28.30 | Technobliterator | the reboot right |
| 20:28.36 | Technobliterator | I'm not going crazy am I |
| 20:29.12 | Xho | Nu - and thus a fgt was born |
| 20:29.19 | Imperios | DIIIIIIIIK |
| 20:29.41 | Imperios | That's ridiculously cute |
| 20:30.12 | ImpyDroid | Now comment on my new stoof |
| 20:30.23 | Hachiman | Actually F5 that |
| 20:32.35 | Hachiman | Very nice, their interpretations of honouring the Simulacra are rather interesting |
| 20:34.28 | ImpyDroid | The moment when Hachiman meets The is adorable |
| 20:34.40 | Xho | Caligaduro - honour me by blowing yourself up good one you idiots |
| 20:34.52 | ImpyDroid | CALIGADURO AKBAR |
| 20:35.49 | OluapWorker | Hachi - mummy Thea - SQUAWK |
| 20:36.17 | ImpyDroid | Ximicacan - UMMATI QAD LAHA FAJRUN |
| 20:36.52 | OluapWorker | And good job on the culture stuff |
| 20:36.56 | Xho | Caligaduro - SPEAK COMMON TONGUE DAMMIT |
| 20:37.01 | OluapWorker | They're very varied |
| 20:37.30 | OluapWorker | now I just need Geltastra's section and I'll finally be able to write the ending |
| 20:37.49 | Technobliterator | everyone ded |
| 20:37.52 | Technobliterator | the end |
| 20:38.28 | OluapWorker | shup reed section pls |
| 20:38.30 | ImpyDroid | Shu shapeshifts into a woman and seduces Gel |
| 20:38.31 | ImpyDroid | The end |
| 20:38.53 | OluapWorker | Gel - tentacle <3 |
| 20:39.13 | drom | I'm becoming more and more concerned about my NC. I probably should exterminate them anytime. |
| 20:39.14 | Xho | Krath - well that was unexpected |
| 20:41.32 | Wormy_ | I don't think we need an article for the tech demo, we already have articles on development and removed features. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Spore_Tech_Demo_(2005) |
| 20:42.08 | OluapWorker | We probably don't no |
| 20:42.14 | DrodoEmpire | I think it can stay. |
| 20:42.15 | DrodoEmpire | Though, |
| 20:42.31 | DrodoEmpire | Looking at it there seems to perhaps be some speculation |
| 20:42.45 | Technobliterator | We don't need an article, we can make "List of Spore Removed Features" or some crap |
| 20:42.45 | DrodoEmpire | Dunno |
| 20:42.56 | Technobliterator | and before Oluap gets on my case, yes I am reading :o |
| 20:43.15 | Wormy_ | We already have "Removed Features" |
| 20:44.17 | OluapWorker | Go read go write go everything |
| 20:44.56 | Technobliterator | Tech demos can also be on the game's article, but the game's article is a mess |
| 20:46.11 | Technobliterator | alright I've finished reading |
| 20:46.59 | Technobliterator | I like what it is, I just never got you guys and your stuttering thing |
| 20:47.48 | OluapWorker | It represents the char is shy and or nervous |
| 20:47.53 | Wormy_ | Yes I really like the atmosphere and ending, but I think the stuttering is overdone |
| 20:48.00 | OluapWorker | And in this case the fact Hachi nearly died |
| 20:48.01 | Technobliterator | yeah, I got that |
| 20:48.27 | Wormy_ | Perhaps he stutters more when he nearly dies, to add to the urgency of the situation? |
| 20:48.32 | Technobliterator | I mean, I take that back, I get why you use it, but it's just used so often |
| 20:48.40 | Technobliterator | not to sound rude, sorry |
| 20:48.46 | Wormy_ | Thats just my constructive feedback anyway |
| 20:49.19 | OluapWorker | You don't sound rude, i'm just explaining how I see it hur |
| 20:49.24 | Xho | I'm re-writing the Chaos page with lotsa theories that hurt heads |
| 20:49.26 | Technobliterator | ah right ok |
| 20:49.27 | Hachiman | S-s-s-s-s-s-s-sorry about the s-s-s-s-s-s-stuttering s-s-s-s-s-situation |
| 20:49.34 | Technobliterator | well yeah I think it's pretty sweet |
| 20:49.36 | OluapWorker | ssssssssssss |
| 20:49.49 | Xho | I'm surprised Hachi doesn't permanently stutter since the shit he's been through would be enough to break a man |
| 20:50.00 | Technobliterator | am I crazy for getting an Alien: Isolation vibe, btw? |
| 20:50.13 | OluapWorker | Mordathai - I MUST BREKA YOU |
| 20:50.13 | OluapWorker | BREAK* |
| 20:50.57 | Hachiman | Not really, that was the basis of Mordathai's section |
| 20:51.01 | Hachiman | A homage to Alien hur |
| 20:51.48 | Technobliterator | I appreciate Alien. I don't enjoy it, not because I don't like it, but because I hate the horror genre :x |
| 20:52.06 | Technobliterator | but I thought that made it intense there |
| 20:52.35 | OluapWorker | Oh I just realized I have no college today |
| 20:52.37 | OluapWorker | woo |
| 20:52.49 | OluapWorker | Technobliterator: boo |
| 20:53.20 | Technobliterator | D: |
| 20:53.38 | Technobliterator | i'm too squeamish for horror films ;_; |
| 20:53.48 | OluapWorker | Now go write Hagto'Zhl's section before I murder u |
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| 20:55.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 20:55.47 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11102717_248939081943148_466755046433334787_n.jpg?oh=30cad4435ee68366f2bd08bd2de61bbc&oe=55DD0695 |
| 20:56.06 | OluapWorker | hoh |
| 20:56.31 | Technobliterator | oh, I was doing that, wasn't I? |
| 20:56.44 | Technobliterator | that requires me to be poetic though :c |
| 20:56.47 | OluapWorker | You were supposed to have done that 2 days ago |
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| 20:57.06 | Technobliterator | 2 days? wtf |
| 20:57.21 | OluapWorker | Xho: Do you still want those Fog War sections where Angazhar/whoever else you want visit Errr and spook Maryah to be canon? |
| 20:57.36 | Xho | Hm |
| 20:57.45 | Xho | Not really |
| 20:57.53 | OluapWorker | blah |
| 20:57.57 | OluapWorker | rite then |
| 20:59.32 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chaos Brain pain time |
| 20:59.51 | OluapWorker | "It's cheese. Like, it's just cheese." -Santorakh's theory |
| 21:00.03 | Technobliterator | :D |
| 21:00.20 | OluapWorker | That'll have to wait until Im home |
| 21:01.03 | Xho | muy |
| 21:01.25 | Xho | The thing about Chaos is |
| 21:01.42 | Xho | Don't read if you want to feel safe in fiction |
| 21:02.03 | Technobliterator | I'm fairly safe, I have time goddesses protecting me |
| 21:02.05 | Technobliterator | ;D |
| 21:02.22 | Xho | Wait until you read the Dreamer Theory then |
| 21:02.37 | Hachiman | Yes but neither they or you are making sandwiches so |
| 21:02.45 | Technobliterator | dreamer theory? |
| 21:02.48 | Technobliterator | that sounds cartesian |
| 21:02.50 | Xho | Dreamer Theory basically says that the entire Fiction Universe is a useless byproduct of the Xhodocto's thought |
| 21:03.10 | Technobliterator | Hm, more idealism than cartesianism then...?_? |
| 21:03.18 | Xho | Let's call it |
| 21:03.24 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11118637_965076820199313_9094171961895184356_n.jpg?oh=80ac1441eaf5f78b751e9096cd0cf263&oe=553AD38C&__gda__=1429908147_4b6bd1ef97959ee5002687cff733ea40 |
| 21:03.25 | Xho | Xho has problemsism |
| 21:03.46 | Hachiman | Let's say the picture I just linked is the solutionism |
| 21:03.54 | Xho | aye |
| 21:04.12 | Technobliterator | or we could say that's dumbism |
| 21:04.26 | Technobliterator | why are we adding ism to the end of everythingism? |
| 21:04.50 | Xho | I'm not actually sure how these theories come about |
| 21:05.13 | Xho | It's well beyond the idea of Essentials |
| 21:05.21 | Technobliterator | It's definitely the kind of thing Descartes or Berkeley would come up with |
| 21:05.24 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11156287_347873162070002_1397034466407875359_n.png?oh=f20e367d19e9bc500604b4a4d3f751f7&oe=55DA3662 |
| 21:05.41 | Hachiman | Descartes would just give the entire Fictionverse the D |
| 21:05.51 | Xho | I'm not sure how the Box fits into this |
| 21:06.02 | Hachiman | It doesn't |
| 21:06.09 | Hachiman | It's the Box; stuff fits into it |
| 21:06.11 | Technobliterator | The Box is a theory |
| 21:06.12 | Wormy_ | This may fit with chaos http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Unseen_Entity |
| 21:06.48 | Xho | I suppose in the Chaos ideals the Box is a subconscious deterrent of the Xhodocto's thoughts and what is contained in it is the reasoning behind the Xhodocto's thoughtless creation and order |
| 21:07.06 | Technobliterator | The Box could be at the centre of Chaos |
| 21:07.13 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11156286_419003298278448_1843379456750688954_n.jpg?oh=76727868a9f9adfcd8f16c07092051c3&oe=55A19BC9&__gda__=1436289301_ec55e7c5bbfe1bd060a13f5679735256 |
| 21:07.13 | Xho | It wouldn't be located anywhere |
| 21:07.31 | Technobliterator | well, I mean, central to it |
| 21:07.33 | Xho | I just think of it as perhaps a moral/psychological representation of the Xhodocto |
| 21:07.39 | Technobliterator | not literally spatially central |
| 21:07.40 | Technobliterator | mhm |
| 21:08.58 | Xho | Whereas the Xhodocto could be viewed as rational the idea of this 'box' is basically 'subliminal irrationality' |
| 21:09.11 | Xho | Irrationality being all creation |
| 21:09.28 | Xho | I should really replace 'Xhodocto' with Chaos |
| 21:09.39 | Technobliterator | that could be added to the Box' page |
| 21:09.44 | Xho | Xhodocto/Chaos/Ouroboros are all interchangeable at a certain degree |
| 21:09.54 | Technobliterator | Well, the Xhodocto are a personification of Chaos, that's how I saw it |
| 21:09.59 | Xho | Then there's the even more terrifying idea of Origin/Nihilist's Cradle |
| 21:10.06 | Technobliterator | the Taldar aren't really a personification of Time, they just watch over it |
| 21:10.35 | Xho | Which is that Chaos/Ouroboros/Xhodocto are creations of themselves and exist *outside* of Chaos |
| 21:10.44 | Xho | Though that's at a degree where the human mind verges on breaking |
| 21:11.29 | Hachiman | https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11174859_10153015415484667_6885956097285490249_n.jpg?oh=705f3c1dfbea38b62ef8ebad8b2bf6ad&oe=55A671BF Is this you Xho |
| 21:11.31 | Xho | In what form they exist can only be described as contemplation and deep-thought at is most intricate |
| 21:11.42 | Xho | yup |
| 21:13.07 | Xho | In that theory then Chaos is a predicate to all thought and reality is all thought of the Xhodocto manifested, and that all mathematics and logic under it is the thought of the Xhodocto in infinite expressions that gives us form and reason |
| 21:13.14 | Xho | Okay now that's scary |
| 21:13.38 | Xho | It's a good thing this is a theory |
| 21:13.57 | Xho | The Fiction Universe would quite literally go mad and crumble if this was the truth |
| 21:14.07 | Xho | Or the characters in it |
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| 21:14.13 | Wormy_ | It sounds like me that chaos is not beyond reason, but it is beyond certainty. |
| 21:14.37 | Wormy_ | Alternatively |
| 21:15.47 | Xho | It depends on what one means by reason |
| 21:16.10 | Wormy_ | I mean it at the level of concept (rather than hard core rationality) |
| 21:16.22 | Xho | Suppose it would be |
| 21:16.31 | Wormy_ | By merely writing about an incomprehensible thing, was has reasoned it so |
| 21:16.52 | Xho | I mean this niche of fiction is in the pool of things that people have been discussing for millennia |
| 21:17.20 | Xho | It almost comes out of fiction since it's so...uh |
| 21:17.28 | Xho | outlandish I guess is a way to put it |
| 21:17.38 | Monet | Innovation. |
| 21:17.51 | Xho | In a way I couldn't imagine the theories of Chaos and then the Kicath in the same region |
| 21:18.01 | Xho | It's a different trail of thought completely |
| 21:18.06 | Xho | trail, train |
| 21:18.07 | Xho | I dunno |
| 21:19.10 | Monet | The universe's intricate workings are wierd. It stands ot reason the workings of the multi/omniverse are even wierder. |
| 21:19.34 | Monet | And completely uncaring of the significance of human egos |
| 21:19.56 | Wormy_ | Chaos almost reminds me of zen |
| 21:20.17 | Wormy_ | Which is unreachable |
| 21:20.36 | Wormy_ | Described as always beyond the hirozpn |
| 21:20.53 | Wormy_ | horizon |
| 21:21.31 | Wormy_ | That is is really the gulf between the percieved and the objective world |
| 21:22.26 | Hachiman | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YycAzdtUIko I love this PBS channel |
| 21:24.11 | Xho | The Xhodocto could very well be the closest thing to the Unseen Entity |
| 21:24.29 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 21:25.21 | Xho | If not this whole concept of Ouroboros (which is the unknowable 'psychological and immaterial functioning' of the Xhodocto) is in the same wavelength |
| 21:25.48 | Wormy_ | Indeed |
| 21:26.08 | Xho | I can't explain anything beyond the vagueness of what the Xhodocto are really |
| 21:26.37 | Xho | This idea that they themselves are only shadows of themselves (in what one could call a solid object) is certainly beyond explaining |
| 21:27.18 | Xho | This solid object being either the source of Ouroboros/Ouroboros itself or something completely different |
| 21:27.51 | Xho | It's like scratching the surface of an object with infinite depth if such things can be imagined |
| 21:28.56 | Wormy_ | The kind of thinking that inspired me to write about the Unseen Entity are what I find the ultimate mysteries, like "what dragons put fire into the equations and make them fly", or "are there worlds beyond all mathematics" or "why does 2+3=5", etc. |
| 21:29.38 | Wormy_ | Is there a thing beyond our concept of existence and non-existence |
| 21:29.45 | Xho | Yeah |
| 21:29.58 | Xho | I talk about this thing called Origin or Nihilist's Cradle |
| 21:30.29 | Wormy_ | What is it that all worlds share, if not logic, like even in "impossible worlds" |
| 21:30.46 | Xho | At one end of the spectrum it's this concept of a total lack of existence, so much so that it is what the Xhodocto cannot understand within this 'dream state' or Chaos |
| 21:31.00 | Wormy_ | Of course one gets lost in that kind of thinking |
| 21:31.13 | Xho | I suppose to the Xhodocto the idea of 'Origin' would be like failing to understand or remembering the beginning of a dream |
| 21:31.21 | Wormy_ | They may well be paradoxical due to them being false however |
| 21:31.50 | Xho | Going along those lines I guess one theory is that the whole idea of Chaos is a paradox trying to correct itself |
| 21:32.02 | Xho | And at best even Tier 0s view it as outright destruction |
| 21:32.14 | Xho | Though the Xhodocto may view it as something else entirely |
| 21:33.13 | Wormy_ | What I think, is that subjectively the universe's minds are tortured by its inability to comprehend the absolutely objective, as it always sits beyond. And that brings me back to zen ideas |
| 21:33.38 | Xho | Chaos and Zen would have some similarities then |
| 21:33.44 | Wormy_ | And that somehow causes the Xhodoctp, as the universe's madness |
| 21:34.05 | Wormy_ | I think thats probably the thoughtform theory you wrote though |
| 21:34.30 | Xho | Sounds like it |
| 21:34.49 | Xho | The fears and madness of what reality cannot understand is therefore what the Xhodocto are |
| 21:34.59 | Wormy_ | yeah |
| 21:35.00 | Xho | At the most understandable level |
| 21:35.24 | Wormy_ | And like nature, the Xhodocto destroy you and make new things from you, lol |
| 21:35.58 | Wormy_ | And that brings us almost to a rational and physical observation of the universe |
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| 21:36.05 | Xho | Xhodocto - OH IT'S JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING THEY SAID THEY COME AT US WITH GODDAMN PITCHFORKS |
| 21:36.46 | Wormy_ | wonders what Ghel thinks if he is interested in this |
| 21:37.09 | Ghel | I'm currently reading Xho's most recent edits to the Chaos page. |
| 21:38.38 | Xho | One could go mad from this |
| 21:38.54 | Xho | I don't think it's something one should think about on a daily basis that's for sure |
| 21:39.03 | Ghel | Now I've moved on to making sense of what you've been discussing here now. |
| 21:39.10 | Ghel | You seem to have jumped between quite a few ideas. |
| 21:39.23 | Wormy_ | Its already made me insae long ago after continuous existential crisis |
| 21:40.30 | Xho | It gets to a point where the idea of the Xhodocto themselves only like paint on a paintbrush |
| 21:40.42 | Xho | are only* |
| 21:41.12 | Wormy_ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/DrawingHands.jpg |
| 21:41.27 | Wormy_ | Perhaps with the painting painting the paintbrushes |
| 21:41.47 | Wormy_ | Chaos be infinite recrusion |
| 21:41.51 | Wormy_ | recursion |
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| 21:42.13 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 21:42.21 | Externalizer | Alright, if the Clouds are going to be Fiction Galaxies, there should be some Grox associated with it. |
| 21:42.24 | Externalizer | And hi. |
| 21:42.45 | Wormy_ | If they were in the Clouds they were expelled long ago |
| 21:42.51 | Wormy_ | brb shower |
| 21:43.12 | Ghel | The Magellanic Clouds? They don't have a supermassive black hole in the centre for the Grox to surround. |
| 21:43.20 | Xho | Talking about the Xhodocto is always a borderline-maddening discussion |
| 21:45.11 | Externalizer | Xho, your Santorakh confuses me...a lot. I get the story, but on the Mass Armageddon page of Tantummodo Mortem, Santorakh mentions Caligaduro Provenctus. |
| 21:45.15 | Ghel | Yeah; sometimes I think discussions like that just drive Wormy into making word salads. :P |
| 21:45.47 | Xho | Mass Armaggedon is just an intentional clash of continuities |
| 21:46.13 | Externalizer | So... |
| 21:46.28 | Externalizer | The Koldenwelt universe clashed with the Fiction universe? |
| 21:46.37 | Xho | Yeah |
| 21:47.04 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chaos If you want confusion read this |
| 21:47.43 | Externalizer | Olol, already posted that on your wall. |
| 21:47.56 | Externalizer | And the Chaos energy too |
| 21:48.02 | Externalizer | Noth confuse me |
| 21:48.04 | Externalizer | *both |
| 21:48.32 | Xho | Chaos Energy is an extremely primitive concept now |
| 21:48.40 | Xho | Compared to what Chaos in itself is |
| 21:49.44 | Externalizer | I meant the abilities of it. Does it have power over all of REality, so you can use it to crush your enemies? |
| 21:50.08 | Xho | Suppose it would |
| 21:50.16 | Xho | Explanations behind it is too vague |
| 21:50.33 | Ghel | Crushing ones enemies is a very limited thing to do with power over all of reality. |
| 21:50.38 | Xho | I suppose it's almost like tapping into the Xhodocto's wavelength to become one with universal motion |
| 21:50.44 | drom | Wormy_ Comrade_Vinny: Behold! My produest creation! |
| 21:51.14 | Ghel | Chaos seems to be not only beyond physics, but beyond metaphysical concepts such as "reality" itself. |
| 21:51.14 | Xho | Chaos Energy is only really a theoretical essence at best |
| 21:51.40 | Externalizer | Ngggh |
| 21:51.49 | Xho | Chaos Energy in an explanation is "the art of mentally screwing over the gods of all existence" |
| 21:52.13 | Externalizer | It's mentally screwing me over right NOW. |
| 21:52.20 | Xho | But no the Xhodocto don't really control any essence in practice |
| 21:52.38 | Xho | At that level of detachment essence is a vastly redundant theme |
| 21:53.14 | Xho | Things beyond the metaphysical concept of reality wouldn't have much need for essence |
| 21:53.24 | Xho | Or anything that works inside of reality |
| 21:54.02 | Xho | I guess it would be like putting your hand into a pool of water to pull out a rubber ball and having absolutely no purpose for it other than throwing it back in |
| 21:54.16 | Externalizer | ... |
| 21:54.25 | Externalizer | I got confused by the first explanation |
| 21:54.30 | Externalizer | But the second was perfect. |
| 21:56.17 | Xho | Chaos is certainly one of those things that will ruin fiction for you if you let it get to you |
| 21:56.35 | Xho | So it's best treating either as a theory or fiction inside of fiction |
| 21:56.40 | Externalizer | I clicked on Erratsactum and it brought me to the Vi'Navitum |
| 21:56.57 | Xho | That would be their plane of existence |
| 21:57.10 | Xho | Not quite sure how to explain the Chaos planes |
| 21:57.25 | Xho | They are all technically universes with unique qualities |
| 21:58.06 | Xho | Whereas our universe is almost like a sphere full of celestial objects, other Chaos planes are generally flat and just have infinite spaces of ground |
| 21:58.18 | Ghel | So, planes. |
| 21:58.23 | Xho | Exactly heh |
| 21:58.43 | Xho | Reasoning behind it would be too alien for anyone from our universe to understand |
| 21:58.43 | Externalizer | So...those universes are on different dimensions, I guess? |
| 21:58.54 | Xho | Different realities entirely |
| 21:59.12 | Xho | Chaos as a theory would suggest that these planes exist outside of this 'omniverse' |
| 21:59.32 | Xho | So dimensional theory is put in a blender and then spewed back out |
| 21:59.33 | Externalizer | Imma guess you are one of them> |
| 21:59.50 | Externalizer | Cause you are explaining it |
| 21:59.59 | Xho | I'm only explaining it as vaguely as possible |
| 22:00.18 | Ghel | The dimensions of an object or space, in the sense of physics and maths, means the maximum number of coordinates required to locate a point within that object/space. |
| 22:00.35 | Xho | If our omniverse or reality or whatever was the colour red, then another Chaos plane will be blue or green |
| 22:00.39 | Ghel | So other planes of existence could be thought of being located "along" additional dimensions to the three of space and one of time that describe our universe. |
| 22:00.56 | Ghel | But those additional Chaos dimensions would not be spatial or temporal. |
| 22:01.05 | Xho | Yeah I guess that would make sense |
| 22:01.32 | Externalizer | I saw that boardgame forum, and I'm worried if I can play as Ioketa, and end up facing Xhodocto |
| 22:01.35 | Externalizer | :/ |
| 22:01.35 | Ghel | Indeed, as space and time are physics concepts - the four-position is basically another field within our universe - Chaos itself, as a whole, is not something with spatial or temporal extent. |
| 22:02.07 | Xho | If you were playing as the Ioketa I'd worry more about the Kraw Galaxy first |
| 22:02.12 | Ghel | There, you get to concepts literally beyond human conception; our minds work within a mental world with spatial dimensions. |
| 22:02.21 | Externalizer | I'm trying to understand this but I can't! |
| 22:02.31 | Xho | It isn't in our power to understand |
| 22:02.46 | Xho | Basically Chaos works along alien dimensions that the human mind cannot perceive |
| 22:02.50 | Xho | Chaos planes anyway |
| 22:03.13 | Xho | I use the term alien dimensions loosely |
| 22:03.14 | Monet | I sort of like the Dreamer theory |
| 22:03.27 | Ghel | You can *understand* it, but don't try to understand it by properly visualising it. Visualise an analogy instead. |
| 22:03.41 | Monet | Fear has been used as a survival method in all kinds of animals. It would make sense that the dreams of thinkin beings create the ultimate fear. |
| 22:04.02 | Xho | The Dreamer Theory is mostly what I tend to work along |
| 22:04.14 | Xho | Though all of them are equally probable |
| 22:04.16 | Ghel | Imagine these Chaos dimensions as spatial dimensions, seperating one-dimensional lines in a three-dimensional volume, but remember that they're not truly spatial. |
| 22:04.36 | Ghel | Or as a single Chaos dimension seperating two-dimensional sheets, if that's easier. |
| 22:04.57 | Ghel | It's literally wrong, but in general principles it's practically right. |
| 22:05.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hello Monet |
| 22:06.22 | Externalizer | I'll copy and paste this whole conversation so I can spend the next few weeks understanding. |
| 22:06.37 | Xho | Not even characters like Kithworto understand |
| 22:06.55 | Xho | Or the Vi'Navitum even |
| 22:07.19 | Xho | I'd imagine the Essentials would strongly believe in the thoughtform theory |
| 22:07.31 | Externalizer | What about "The Unfathomable"? |
| 22:07.44 | Xho | The Unfathomable is basically a Lovecraftian horror that exists in Tangent |
| 22:08.05 | Xho | Chaos Monsters and whatnot |
| 22:08.32 | Xho | Chaos Monsters are more or less abominations or denizens of Chaos planes that tend to exhibit god-like qualities in comparison to those from our universe |
| 22:08.42 | Xho | god-like is also a loose term |
| 22:08.55 | Externalizer | A million rows of a million teeth. |
| 22:08.58 | Externalizer | GG Angazhar. |
| 22:09.44 | Monet | WHat's happenign here is like sending an Ancient Egypttian off to study quantum theory. |
| 22:09.56 | Xho | Well if a quadrillion teeth doesn't scare you then I don't know what will |
| 22:10.21 | Ghel | Perhaps a concept of layers of metaphysical-ness would be useful in thinking about Chaos. Or perhaps not. |
| 22:10.33 | Xho | Knowing the scales that the Xhodocto work in each of those quadrillion teeth are probably galactic in size |
| 22:10.51 | Externalizer | Monet: I'd say ancient Roman or Greek. Or cavemen. |
| 22:11.08 | Xho | Layers of metaphysicalness |
| 22:11.09 | Xho | Hm |
| 22:11.18 | Xho | Think of everything drowning in water and then you have Chaos |
| 22:11.25 | Monet | lol |
| 22:11.55 | Ghel | Firstly, we have physical properties, which describe how things interact with each other. In the end, this is all that physics is, the study of how things interact with each other. Wavelengths and frequencies relate to how quantum field excitations spread over space; things like electric charge relate to how fields interact with each other. |
| 22:11.59 | Externalizer | Do you need to ask for a character using an essence? I am thinking of one of my characters being able to use Death Energy, with Xhos permission, of course. |
| 22:12.10 | Xho | I already declined that one |
| 22:12.25 | Aeo | Xho: While impressive, I do not see what good that many teeth of that size would be for chewing anything. |
| 22:12.26 | Monet | I once rtied to visualise this http://www.guide-to-the-universe.com/images/black-hole-spacetime-curvature.jpg in 3D space, given that's what spacetime would actually be like. |
| 22:12.32 | Xho | Not really no |
| 22:12.35 | Ghel | Then beyond that we have nonphysical properties which define how things absolutely are, but don't relate things to each other in interaction-like terms. |
| 22:12.47 | Ghel | One example, already mentioned, is reality, or existence. |
| 22:12.47 | Xho | It certainly acts as a good intimidatory factor |
| 22:13.05 | Xho | Having a multi-quadrillion light year long abomination acting as your guard dog |
| 22:13.11 | Ghel | To say that something exists in relational terms only means that it is able to interact with something else that exists - a recursive definition. |
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| 22:13.24 | Xho | Chaos Monsters tend to be overt in size |
| 22:13.34 | Ghel | "Existence" is taken to be something else, another objective property of an object. |
| 22:13.46 | OluapPlayer | muh dik |
| 22:13.48 | OluapPlayer | deres a chaos monster |
| 22:13.54 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:13.58 | Xho | Santorakh - oh my |
| 22:14.07 | Xho | There are invisible flying creatures in Inferno that in full length are probably twice the length of the observable universe |
| 22:14.20 | Monet | The closest I could get to imagining what a real spacetime image of a black hole was "a body of whater except in one sphere the density of the water increases exponentially into a sphere of infinite density" |
| 22:14.45 | Xho | It's all basically the Xhodocto's whimsical experimentation with messing with physics |
| 22:14.53 | Ghel | The only other nonphysical property I can think of that has been imaged by humans is morality: whether something "should" be some way certainly doesn't affect how the universe works. |
| 22:15.11 | Externalizer | Death energy looks so kewl. |
| 22:15.28 | Xho | You are not having it |
| 22:15.33 | Ghel | Monet: Imagining spacetime is certainly something that requires a huge conceptual shift. |
| 22:15.36 | Xho | Death Energy is off-limits |
| 22:15.42 | Ghel | You're dealing with four-dimensional non-Euclidean geometry there. |
| 22:15.45 | Xho | Demonic Energy is the only available one |
| 22:16.13 | Ghel | So there's the two "layers of metaphysical-ness" I can think of. |
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| 22:16.22 | Ghel | There may be others. Chaos would be beyond it. |
| 22:16.25 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:16.37 | Ghel | The concept of logic presumably fits in there somewhere. |
| 22:16.41 | Xho | Most of the ideas behind Chaos is designed to hurt people's heads |
| 22:16.47 | Xho | peoples'* |
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| 22:17.02 | Word_salad_man | Still going at it? What did I miss in the last 3 mins? |
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| 22:17.10 | Word_salad_man | hi |
| 22:17.12 | Ghel | Logic seems to be between the physical and nonphysical layers. |
| 22:17.13 | Word_salad_man | [Wormy] |
| 22:17.14 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 22:17.16 | Xho | It's all in the purpose of describing something that cannot be described and thus making a infinitely large mess out of it |
| 22:17.23 | Ghel | You've missed a lot of words. |
| 22:17.29 | GD12 | what are we talking about |
| 22:17.33 | Ghel | Chaos. |
| 22:17.37 | Xho | hih |
| 22:17.37 | GD12 | o |
| 22:17.38 | Ghel | In the SporeWikiverse sense. |
| 22:17.51 | Word_salad_man | Aesthetics too |
| 22:17.56 | Xho | I think the term "Chaos" is the best description for it |
| 22:17.58 | GD12 | isn't chaos inherently indescribable? |
| 22:17.59 | Word_salad_man | And maybe morality |
| 22:18.10 | Word_salad_man | We haven't reached the undescribable yet |
| 22:18.13 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - answer is cheese |
| 22:18.19 | Xho | Angazhar - WOULD YOU STOP |
| 22:18.23 | drom | Safe word* |
| 22:18.32 | GD12 | iirc Chaos is inherently unpredictable |
| 22:18.32 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - >stopping cheese >ever |
| 22:18.35 | Ghel | I've been considering the idea of "layers of metaphysical-ness". The first layer is physical properties that relate to how things interact with each other, the second layer is nonphysical properties that do not - the three I could think of were existence, qualia and morality. |
| 22:18.37 | Word_salad_man | To be fair there isn't yet formal language for aesthetics or feelings so we are close |
| 22:18.41 | Xho | There are things beyond Chaos that cannot be described |
| 22:18.51 | OluapPlayer | Chaos² |
| 22:19.06 | Xho | Chaos is merely the concept that there are infinite and alien concepts outside of our own reality |
| 22:19.16 | Xho | It's the Xhodocto themselves that are indescribable |
| 22:19.18 | GD12 | in the sporewiki sense or the irl sense |
| 22:19.22 | Xho | Both I guess |
| 22:19.26 | Ghel | Aesthetics is often treated as one, as it's usually taken as a branch of philosophy, but I tend to think of it as an abstract concept but one that still relates to the physical, that is, how minds react to stimuli. |
| 22:19.28 | Xho | SporeWiki sense |
| 22:19.41 | Monet | Ghel: Yeah my understandig is that images like this http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/space-time-continuum-11748460.jpg are only a 2.5d compression ow hat spacetime looks like. What it woudl really be is that in every percieveable direction. |
| 22:19.55 | Ghel | Yes, exactly. |
| 22:20.09 | Xho | It's easy enough to understand that Chaos is a twisted infinity of things that cannot be fully understood |
| 22:20.11 | Monet | Not something one can easily draw up |
| 22:20.33 | Ghel | Word_salad_man: I also figured that logic would have to fit somewhere into the layers of metaphysicality. |
| 22:20.37 | Xho | But once you put something in there that is the personification of it or is its regulator, that's where it gets really confusing |
| 22:20.51 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chaos Hence theories |
| 22:20.52 | GD12 | so an infinite ambiguous mass of incomprehensible shenanigans |
| 22:20.53 | GD12 | aka cheese |
| 22:21.00 | Ghel | Logic is not quite a physical concept, although when turned into the language of mathematics it certainly describes them. |
| 22:21.03 | OluapPlayer | Santorakh - PUT IT ON YOUR THICK SKULLS |
| 22:21.25 | Ghel | It doesn't seem to fit with the nonphysical properties. |
| 22:21.28 | Xho | I tend to describe the Xhodocto as "Alpha, Omega, Zero and Infinity in infinite convergence and divergence" |
| 22:21.34 | Ghel | Presumably it's another layer. |
| 22:21.43 | Xho | That's the easiest way to describe them and it's still not right really |
| 22:22.02 | GD12 | Wait, what explicitly are we trying to describe/find words for |
| 22:22.03 | OluapPlayer | Shu - i am half-alpha Santorakh - mor like whole zero Shu - ;_; |
| 22:22.07 | Xho | Nothing now really |
| 22:22.19 | Ghel | We're just being all philosophical now. |
| 22:22.23 | GD12 | o |
| 22:22.28 | Xho | The Xhodocto-side of the discussion is over since it always fizzles out once our minds burn out |
| 22:23.09 | Word_salad_man | Ghel: David Deutsch (the ultimate salad for me) hypotheses that flowers and pollinators co-evolved aesthetic sense to produce regular patterns of increasingly beauty |
| 22:23.20 | Word_salad_man | *increasing |
| 22:23.22 | Ghel | Epistemology is the only other branch of philosophy I seem to have left out. |
| 22:23.32 | Word_salad_man | Don't get me started on that |
| 22:23.40 | Word_salad_man | We'll be here all night agan |
| 22:24.00 | Ghel | I don't think it's really a concept that fits into the idea of "layers of metaphysicality". |
| 22:24.24 | Xho | Epistemological metaphysics |
| 22:24.26 | Xho | can we not |
| 22:24.49 | Word_salad_man | Again, thinkers like Popper and Deutsch talk about knowledge (or constructors now) as though they are abstractions embedded in phyical objects |
| 22:25.06 | Externalizer | I have a eeling this whole physics lecture is going to be posted somewhere.... |
| 22:25.28 | Ghel | In some ways, I guess it relates to the capacity of the human mind for knowledge, so in that case, like aesthetics, epistemology is connected more to the physical than the metaphysical (or any other) layer, although it can connect to them all. |
| 22:26.59 | Ghel | So to conclude, we have physical, nonphysical and logical properties, and Chaos appears to certainly be beyond the former and probably beyond the latter two as well, whatever that means. |
| 22:27.08 | Word_salad_man | "The one physical object, the brain contains an accurate working model of the other, the quasar, and can do it more and more so over time" |
| 22:27.14 | Externalizer | How powerful can the Shades be? |
| 22:27.16 | Word_salad_man | --DD |
| 22:27.46 | Word_salad_man | That awes me actually |
| 22:28.26 | Word_salad_man | The physics of the brain and a quasar are so unlike each other but the information travelled so far across the universe to then enter this hub of knowing |
| 22:28.51 | Word_salad_man | Timeless even |
| 22:30.33 | Word_salad_man | And how strange ad extra-ordinary people seem to be (though people could be everywhere in time and space I suppose) |
| 22:30.42 | Word_salad_man | as in, alien life |
| 22:30.53 | Word_salad_man | or future human descesndants |
| 22:30.57 | Ghel | Well, I'm going to go now. Bye! |
| 22:30.59 | Word_salad_man | bye |
| 22:33.46 | Wormy_ | Onto another subject, has anyone seen that video on youtube of a man squashing a wolf spider causing thousands of baby spiders to escape? |
| 22:34.01 | Wormy_ | I'm eating so don't want to link it here lol |
| 22:34.17 | OluapPlayer | EW |
| 22:34.22 | OluapPlayer | Just the thought of it is ew |
| 22:38.44 | Externalizer | U PERVERT |
| 22:39.57 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/ysl4Jss.png |
| 22:40.04 | drom | So much for a pulse |
| 22:41.15 | Externalizer | FUCK HE'S MOVING |
| 22:41.19 | Externalizer | *Stops on* |
| 22:42.21 | Externalizer | *Stomps |
| 22:43.15 | Wormy_ | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150421-wolf-spider-squashed-video-animals/ |
| 22:43.23 | Wormy_ | Only watch if you can somach it |
| 22:43.28 | Wormy_ | stomach |
| 22:43.44 | Wormy_ | Honestly, I only just remembered it and I wish I hadn't seen it now |
| 22:48.31 | Externalizer | CAN'T. MAKE. ACCOUNT |
| 22:49.43 | Wormy_ | They should be glad it wasn't smushed on a carpet |
| 22:50.04 | drom | Wormy_: She/he should've vaccumed that motherfucker then thrown the dustbag into a burner. |
| 22:50.21 | Externalizer | Drom:OLOL |
| 22:50.34 | Wormy_ | fire is the only means to kill |
| 22:50.40 | Wormy_ | for sure |
| 22:50.58 | Wormy_ | I'd have then bleached the floor |
| 22:51.24 | Externalizer | Flamethrower power-ranger powers, ACTIVATE! |
| 22:56.04 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/VISQ6ZC.png |
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| 23:01.08 | Externalizer | Here a little something to lighten the mood for you Te. It lightened mine. Regards to Wormy |
| 23:01.10 | Externalizer | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150421-wolf-spider-squashed-video-animals/ |
| 23:02.25 | Wormy_ | its not nice |
| 23:02.30 | Wormy_ | word of warning |
| 23:02.44 | Externalizer | It's very nice. VERY VERY NICE. |
| 23:03.04 | Externalizer | I didn't know you had to hit spiders with a broom 5 times to kill it. |
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| 23:10.34 | Wormy_ | Actually, I thought it was sad |
| 23:14.14 | Externalizer | Problem is, is that I have almosdt no cares...in real life. |
| 23:14.25 | drom | Wormy_: Comon, she gave birth. |
| 23:14.38 | Externalizer | So...IU thought it was hilarious that the s[ider got squished and squashed and her babies popped out. |
| 23:15.12 | Wormy_ | How would you like to be squished to death with all your siblings and mother? |
| 23:16.03 | Externalizer | Hmm.... |
| 23:16.08 | Externalizer | Should I answer that? |
| 23:16.31 | Wormy_ | Well, thats what happened to all those baby spiders |
| 23:16.39 | Externalizer | If it would be painless, I wouldn't care, since we are all going to the same place afterwards. (Maybe.) |
| 23:16.45 | Externalizer | If it was painful, hell no. |
| 23:17.11 | Externalizer | It wasn't painful though. They got squished fairly quickly] |
| 23:17.43 | Wormy_ | They were scattering for their lives, like hundreds of little bmbis |
| 23:17.46 | Wormy_ | bambis |
| 23:18.24 | Monet | It's kinda cute. |
| 23:18.25 | Externalizer | "KILL THEM! KILL THEM WITH FIRE!" |
| 23:18.37 | Externalizer | And shoot Bambi to death. With a rifle |
| 23:19.31 | drom | dies from manical laughter |
| 23:19.38 | Externalizer | Liquid, are you going to finish the Mystic Energy page? |
| 23:19.51 | Externalizer | HHow, what? how do you do that> |
| 23:19.58 | Externalizer | @Drom |
| 23:20.02 | Wormy_ | suffocation |
| 23:20.15 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.53 | Externalizer | Let me try |
| 23:21.01 | Externalizer | kills Bambi with a rifl |
| 23:21.04 | Externalizer | WHOO! |
| 23:21.22 | Externalizer | Can Info Bot do it for me? |
| 23:22.34 | Wormy_ | ~Shoot Bambi |
| 23:22.34 | infobot | ACTION shoots Bambi in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 23:23.26 | Externalizer | OLOLOLOL |
| 23:23.33 | Externalizer | That was actually funny |
| 23:23.54 | drom | Earth was later consumed by the singularity created by Wormy_'s infobox fiddling. |
| 23:23.58 | drom | Everyone dies |
| 23:23.59 | drom | the end |
| 23:24.16 | Wormy_ | everyone dies laughing |
| 23:24.31 | Externalizer | I expected the Xhodocto to do that |
| 23:24.34 | drom | Except the one who you just shoot |
| 23:28.31 | drom | primes a mysterious bomb and arms it live to detonate when drom quits the IRC |
| 23:28.55 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/qGJuww0 |
| 23:29.02 | Wormy_ | nah mad cow disease |
| 23:29.09 | Externalizer | shoots drom for trying to kill us all...with a quantum singularity rifle |
| 23:29.31 | Externalizer | meant that he would kill drom with the rifl |
| 23:30.35 | drom | You kill me, or earse me from existence, the bomb will let off. |
| 23:30.50 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/acfTLGO |
| 23:31.47 | drom | That fucking face, daaaaw |
| 23:32.56 | drom | The world will implode |
| 23:33.18 | Externalizer | yells out "fuck" and cowers before the bomb goes off. |
| 23:34.00 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/Xm17F |
| 23:35.22 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/lrQj5kP |
| 23:36.06 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/LRLJKRE |
| 23:36.49 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/JD0jfGN |
| 23:37.55 | Externalizer | Wormy:I died from laughing at that first part. |
| 23:38.57 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/fFOdg |
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| 23:39.55 | Externalizer | Thank god you got here Aeon, Wormy was about to murder me from laughing! |
| 23:40.10 | Aeondroid | What has happened? |
| 23:41.23 | Externalizer | http://imgur.com/gallery/fFOdg |
| 23:41.37 | Externalizer | http://imgur.com/gallery/lrQj5kP |
| 23:41.56 | Wormy_ | "Youtube needs to come film me cause i have funny things to show on the internet" |
| 23:42.00 | Wormy_ | yes, yes you do |
| 23:43.47 | Aeondroid | I don't get the boys with eyes one. |
| 23:44.18 | Aeondroid | I think they mean it as an expression for sexy eyes. |
| 23:44.24 | Externalizer | It's because the stupidity of that one is high |
| 23:44.39 | Externalizer | That person means they found a boy with EYES!!1!! OMMMG |
| 23:45.25 | Externalizer | "There are only two things which are infinite, human stupidity and the universe. And I'm not so sure about the former..." - Albert Einstein |
| 23:47.18 | Monet | Einstein was lucky to die before the riseof internet comments. |
| 23:47.22 | Aeondroid | The dumbest ones are the 2012 Olympics ones |
| 23:48.47 | Aeondroid | You debate with young earth creationists and then u learn a bunch of people are even wronger. |
| 23:49.16 | Aeondroid | Or they were joking |
| 23:50.25 | Externalizer | GUYZ GUYZ |
| 23:50.36 | Externalizer | THEIR R 2012 YAERS |
| 23:50.57 | Externalizer | AN 1+1=2 AND 2+1=3 ILUMINATI CONFIRMED!11! |
| 23:52.18 | Aeondroid | I think David Icke's reptilians are canon in the ficverse |
| 23:52.25 | Aeondroid | At least they were. |
| 23:54.00 | Wormy_ | still are |
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| 23:56.08 | Externalizer | kicks Guest86619 in a random whim |
| 23:56.17 | Externalizer | Oops, sorry |
| 23:56.25 | Aeondroid | What I miss? |
| 23:56.48 | Monet | Nothing really |
| 23:56.49 | Externalizer | Nothing. |
| 23:56.55 | Externalizer | I kicked you |
| 23:57.00 | Monet | And I think the Reptillians are still canon |
| 23:57.03 | Externalizer | But that isn't relevant. |
| 23:57.26 | Aeondroid | Except to me. |
| 23:57.51 | Aeondroid | I run an award show for stupid conspiracy theorists. |
