IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150301

00:01.25MonetDarcySupremacist: So Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR if their leaders had actually been competent?
00:01.39GD12aka Orwellian
00:01.45GD12In that its a stable totalitarian state
00:02.09MonetI give congrats to the Arcanium if it is truly stable.
00:02.49GD12If the inhabitants are brainwashed and don't know much I think its a stable state
00:02.49MonetHumans at least while it is possible to get them to livei n a totalitarian state, they are much, MUCH less open to it if said liberties are taken at gunpoint.
00:02.56GD12(in the orwellian case)
00:03.41Monet"the best way to take away peoples' freedom is to have them willingly give it away"
00:04.24GD12aye
00:04.44Wormy_GD:  Could you add the DCP literally firing slaves out of cannons lol
00:05.26Monet*slam* "I didn't tuck in my legs"
00:05.34GD12Of course
00:05.43Wormy_Sometimes I wonder if my fiction shows that I'm a sadist
00:05.45GD12With parachutes or without parachutes?
00:05.55Wormy_Both
00:06.10DarcySupremestPsh, just like put SRBs on their feet
00:06.15DarcySupremesthope it slows them down in time
00:06.38Wormy_I used to get pleasure abducting citizens and then flinging them for as long as possible so they screamed longer
00:06.54MonetEvery human has a sadistic side
00:07.09MonetSoemhow we all get a guilty kick out of prolonging suffering
00:07.35LeagueofPandaand yet only the Germans have a name for the sensation
00:07.37Wormy_I think I agree
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00:08.05GD12Schaedenfreude kek
00:08.46MonetIt sort-of counts because Germans like to compound their sentences and phrases.
00:12.24Wormy_I also am responsible for a lot of evil plotting on the wiki :3
00:12.36Wormy_Cleanslate was my idea
00:12.39MonetThe closest English has I gues is "Sadism" - an enjoyment from causing harm or suffering. But unlike Shadenfreude, "sadism" is a a verb and the related noun is "sadist"
00:12.43Monet...I think
00:12.52Wormy_I often use Xho to do my evil deeds
00:14.03LeagueofPandaMonet: yeah basically, sadism is the act, but schadenfreude refers to the actual enjoyment itself, which nobody else has a word for
00:15.22MonetThen again the original defenition of Sadism refered to *sexual* cruelty.
00:15.27DarcySupremestWormy-littlefinger
00:16.52MonetThere's also Sadistic Personality Disorder. Although again this is more a reference to the pyschological profile of people who do it, not the enjoyment of the act.
00:20.34Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/vg5cfLM
00:20.56MonetAwww :3
00:21.27Wormy_"Unless he is just arriving" http://imgur.com/gallery/MPlLCih
00:22.28MonetThere's a small corner of my mind that wishes to HALO jump at least once in my life.
00:23.22GD12Join the SAS lol
00:23.27Zillafire101I can't help but think of Godzilla.
00:23.32DarcySupremest'join'
00:24.13DarcySupremestHalo jumping will be old school anyway
00:24.22DarcySupremestDARPA wants to develop ODSTs
00:24.37MonetZillafire101: Because of the HALO jump in 2014?
00:24.38GD12Go DARPA
00:24.43DarcySupremestAnd relating back to wormy, the essentially want to fire them out of ICBM's
00:25.05DarcySupremestthen they Halo jump when the rocket renters
00:25.38MonetGD12: Since HALO stands for high-altitude-low-opening I don't see why a civilian can't do it.
00:25.47MonetI just need something that'll take me high enough
00:26.03DarcySupremestMust...resist....joke...
00:26.31GD12Hijack a Eurofighter and jump out of it
00:26.38GD12remembers life isn't a video game
00:27.07MonetFelix Baumgartner did it fro ma weather balloon
00:28.06Wormy_What is a HALO jimp?
00:28.13DarcySupremestDIdn't somebody beat him?
00:28.25DarcySupremestBy going like a metre higher then him
00:28.43MonetWormy_: It's where you jump from a plane at high altitude and freefall until you open your parachude near the ground
00:29.02Wormy_nothanks.gif
00:29.52MonetThe adrenaline rush must surely be phenomenal
00:30.07DarcySupremestDoing it from as high as Felix is a must
00:30.18DarcySupremestSo you travel through like the thin air
00:30.44MonetFelix jumped fro mthe stratosphere
00:31.33Monethttp://wordlesstech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Watch-Felix-Baumgartner%E2%80%99s-Space-Dive-Live.jpg and apparently managed this
00:32.03SpuSonic tutu
00:32.07Wormy_I wonder if you could sense that
00:32.08SpuThat's all I'm saying
00:32.51Wormy_sanic
00:33.20Monethttp://www.pakviewz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/FelixBaumgartnerAchieve.jpg words to live by imo
00:34.32Wormy_Monet:  Synchroncity http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/600/494/50b.png
00:35.01DarcySupremestSanic is luv
00:35.04DarcySupremestsanic is life
00:35.36MonetI'm trying ot live by these words on my current couse
00:38.36DarcySupremestbeyodiful
00:39.23Monetcourse*
00:40.49DarcySupremesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C67thOEtVNQ
00:43.04Wormy_I'm scared Dracy.
00:43.11Wormy_*Dracy even
00:43.12Wormy_Damn
00:43.30Wormy_So scared I can't type right
00:43.57DarcySupremestIt so beautiful Wormy_
00:44.03DarcySupremestAll of mankind's art and science was leading tot his
00:44.40DarcySupremest"This book belongs to THE ISLAMIC STATE"
00:45.48MonetI must be doing something right as this was my submission for December's project and was showcasedo  the course blog http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UYdTRwALzCQ/VJMIzGwVSxI/AAAAAAAAUN8/1vXf5bgj5Vg/s1600/Final%2BImage.jpg
00:47.14Wormy_DarcySupremest:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY8L4ZrWizs
00:47.25MonetBear in mind before I started thois course the only 3D modeling software I ever used has been Google Sketchup and Spore
00:49.07DarcySupremestIt looks good, it has a lot of like real depth to it
00:49.08Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux6QMEuCgVs
00:49.13DarcySupremestre:Monet
00:49.28DarcySupremestIn regardts to Wormy_  that was nightmarish
00:50.06MonetDarcySupremacist: The only complaints I got,, and iv'e been trying ot work on it since, is making my background paintings less "supersoft"
00:51.05Wormy_Dacy:  This also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_TXgsFsh8g
00:51.54DarcySupremestYeah you can see where the model ends and the painting begins
00:52.02DarcySupremestI like the modeling though
00:52.07DarcySupremestBetter then my 3D modeling work
00:52.10DarcySupremestI suck at it
00:52.23MonetWhat software do you use?
00:54.12DarcySupremestMaya
00:54.14DarcySupremestused*
00:54.26DarcySupremestHaven't used it since my TVET course which finished last year
00:55.00MonetThat's what I use
00:55.27MonetI might have gotten a little crazy with bump and specular maps
00:56.00Wormy_I work with Maya, but more with the dynamics and scripting.  My projects are scientific animation based.
00:56.30DarcySupremestTo be fair our instructor was a joke
00:56.31Wormy_Currently building a new geological map (I have studied geology at university)
00:56.44DarcySupremestMe and my friend practically taught ourselves how to use that program
00:57.36Wormy_I'm feeling like I can use it without constantly needing assistance or to change screen now
00:57.57DarcySupremestMy friend spent a whole afternoon lesson making this massive physics based ruth goldburg machine
00:58.00DarcySupremestit was great
00:58.40Wormy_for instructions
00:59.19Wormy_Yes, they are quite popular applications of the Dynamics engine
01:00.22Wormy_Monet:  Did you render out Maya's lighting effects first before painting over it
01:00.38Wormy_Either way I'm impressed
01:01.46MonetWormy_ I set up lights first before making texture maps.
01:02.16MonetThe background and forest floor were added over the final render
01:05.28Wormy_I'm going to create a portfolio website soon with my own Maya projects
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01:29.15Wormy_"Buckingham Palace naked man"  XD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRyM1TJE6HA
01:31.43DarcySupremestTheres no way, that has to be a set up
01:31.45DarcySupremestat the very least
01:43.04Wormy_May not be real but if it is that bloke fell a long way
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01:56.41DrodoEmpireHi everyone.
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02:00.50The_RandomnessHello
02:17.34Monethttp://www.wired.com/2015/02/scientists-wrong-time-thats-fantastic/ "a negative result is still a result"
02:18.56The_Randomness^
02:19.02MonetALso I'm not sure why but it always feels good to read an article that points out how much of an unscientific idiot Andrew Wakefield was.
02:19.42The_RandomnessI think that's largely because of how odious the consequences of his actions were.
02:20.04Wormy_Random:  Self-assembling technology!  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31610500
02:21.09MonetI'm on the autistic spectrum myself. So maybe knowing that it came form my dad and not the MMR vaccine I got when I was young migth also contribute.
02:22.00MonetALthough I also question myself how injecting oneself with dead or inactive samples of measles, mumps or rubella can completely require the human brain of a four-year-old infant.
02:22.16Monetrewire*
02:22.44Wormy_Anti-vaxers believe it is caused by a mercury compound (which isn't absorbed by the body)
02:23.25DrodoEmpireAnti-vaxxers are a danger to society. :P
02:23.31MonetMaybe a lack of understanding of autism was also a contributing factor?
02:23.33Wormy_Monet:  I got into an argument with an anti-vaxxer who didn't believe I was autistic because I could "articulate a response"
02:23.40DrodoEmpireMonet: Definitely
02:23.44MonetThere are people today who swear that autism can be "cured"
02:24.11Wormy_Hm let me find it, it was on youtube, I was brave
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02:24.30DrodoEmpireI think many anti-vaxxers believe autism is this horrible debilitating blight on mankind. It isn't.
02:25.04Zillafire101^
02:25.37Zillafire101THere's much I want to say about that, but I don't wish to get to offensive.
02:25.43MonetIt has it's benefits and drawbacks.
02:25.50DrodoEmpireThough at the same time anti-vaxxers in general are idiots who refuse to listen to reason
02:26.29Wormy_Monet, DrodoEmpire:  Scroll down to my comment if you want to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqVDMr9ivo
02:26.34Zillafire101I love how they listen to disgrace scientists, but won't listen to legit ones.
02:26.42DrodoEmpireI'd let them die horrible deaths to medieval disease if it weren't for the fact that we'd put other innocent lives at risk by letting them
02:26.43DrodoEmpire:P
02:26.47DrodoEmpire*diseases
02:27.11DrodoEmpireThe very young and elderly, to be specific
02:28.04Tek0516Or those legitimatly unable to be vaccinated, such as those with allergies.
02:28.34Zillafire101Herd immunity, basically, is like a wall. One crack and lead to much trouble for the few.
02:29.00OfficerJackalI dunno, I mean I don't think they deserve to die over denying vaccines, although getting very sick and surviving would be a good bout of karma for the harm they have done. Anyways, yeah they listen to disgrace scientists because that is the only way they can even attempt to somehow argue their point, along with maintain it in their heads.
02:29.18OfficerJackalWell, one of the only ways.
02:29.18Monet"promoting their completely unproven safety."
02:29.31MonetRemind me when was the last case of smallpox in Europe?
02:29.39Wormy_:Conspiracy:
02:29.51Zillafire101Illumanti! Hide yo kids!
02:29.55DrodoEmpireWithin the last 100-150 years definitely Monet
02:30.02Wormy_Apparentely I'm working for the drug companies
02:30.10DrodoEmpireOJ: Right
02:30.17The_RandomnessWormy_: http://www.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/ancient-aliens-th_0.jpg
02:30.19OfficerJackalMonet: The illuminaty j00s h1de all te|h sm@11p0x! we r begin l1ed to op3n ur 3yes!
02:30.24DrodoEmpirehur
02:30.42OfficerJackalBut seriously, I've had some people believe that taking vaccines make you gay. :/
02:30.47Wormy_Lol I actually watch Ancient Aliens so I can see that guy
02:30.56MonetOfficerJackal: YEah Smallpox is rather hard ot miss since it leaves a permenant residue on the victim.
02:31.10Wormy_Rad=ndom:  I believe his is a Centauri
02:31.19Tek0516The fact deadly diseases dropped of significantly after the creation of their respective vaccines is the result of coincidence and fabricated evidence. :P
02:31.42MonetPeople who catch Smallpox and survive ten ot have their bodies covered in white spots.
02:31.43Wormy_http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ykZDyeaS--/18dyxzbug6rfdjpg.jpg
02:31.48Wormy_XD
02:31.50Monettend to*
02:31.56Zillafire101That hair is win. I want it.
02:32.05Zillafire10110/10 would hair.
02:32.20DrodoEmpireI have one friend that, while not anti-vax, said that after he took his vaccines at two, up until third grade he was unable to speak. He is convinced it had something to do with the vaccine (such as he was one of the very few people who have severe side-effects to a vaccine), but I think it may have been an incredible coincidence myself
02:32.26Wormy_From Babyon 5
02:32.39MonetAt least, I think it does - not sure
02:32.51Zillafire101New favorite show, just for that guy.
02:33.18The_RandomnessWormy_: lol
02:33.38DrodoEmpireAnd even if vaccines *had* more common severe side effects; Have you read the labels on some prescription or even over-the-counter drugs? Those things can outright kill you if you look at them wrong and I don't see people rallying against "big cough medicine"
02:34.10DrodoEmpireWhy? Because they can help you if you have half a brain and know how to use them right. :P
02:35.27OfficerJackalYeah. :/ I can't really figure out the logic behind all of these anti-vaccine people, although I guess some of them tried to look for an answer to whatever ailment they or their aquainted ones had, and tried to find the answer in anti-vaccine groups.
02:35.58DrodoEmpireYeah
02:36.20The_RandomnessThey want someone to blame
02:36.36DrodoEmpireAnti-vaccination logic itself breeds from a distrust of science, conspiracy theories, and ignorance of both history and basic scientific principles.
02:36.38Wormy_^
02:36.45The_Randomness^
02:36.51OfficerJackalYep, basically that. ^
02:36.57Zillafire101^^^^^
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02:38.22Knight_AlienHello
02:39.16MonetI noticed some kind of pattern when it comes to the perception of science.
02:39.36DrodoEmpireHm?
02:40.10MonetWhen people think of the part of science they see as bad what they imagine mad scientists, animal-huamn hybrids or destructive forces being harnessed by mankind.
02:40.27DrodoEmpireRight,
02:40.57MonetNever mind the fact this ignores the large field of science that is understanding the universe and the world around us
02:41.07Tek0516I think we also have a few anti-vaxxers from the fact they may not be 100% effective all the time and that usually small fraction has that used as anecdotal evidence.
02:41.47MonetTek0516: Anecdotal evidence cen be a bane to scientifically tested findings
02:41.58Tek0516Indeed.
02:42.07DrodoEmpireOh yeah while I was talking to my friend someone came up to us two and said, dead-serious; "You know... They put viruses *in* the vaccines?"
02:42.15DrodoEmpireI looked at them for a long, long time.
02:42.34Tek0516They do, but not live ones. >.<
02:42.39DrodoEmpire^
02:42.46MonetOne example I recall from school is at least two people I've talked to (bear in mind i wasn't very social at school) who didn't see smoking as that bad because they had relatives who chain-smoked and still lived to the age of 80
02:43.28DrodoEmpireYeah that's extremely anecdotal. :P I also had a teacher that had cancer three times because he smoked cigars too much
02:43.46MonetThree? Damn
02:44.05The_RandomnessOh gosh, my grandmother on my father's side was like that. She smoked so much, and yet she's fine.
02:44.49Tek0516Just being near one of my aunts dispelling even the thought of smoking long, long ago.
02:45.11MonetI think I was 14 when I worked out that some people took up smoking despite the risks because they have anecdoal evidence that the negative effects are no guarentee.
02:45.14DrodoEmpireSome people are just blessed with some sort of immunity or luck in that regard. I wouldn't use it as evidence to disprove that tobacco (or smoking anything for that matter) can be bad for your health.
02:45.16Zillafire101My grandfather smoked, drank and rarely exercised, and lived to be 90.
02:45.36Zillafire101He kept skinny of course, which helped.
02:45.38DrodoEmpireMonet: Makes sense
02:46.37MonetI guess to the more primitive parts of the rain which is a better source of information? A piece of paper or seeing a living example of someone defying what the paper says?
02:47.42DrodoEmpireProbably close to half of the people in my school have tried some sort of drug, specifically marijuana or cigarettes and I'm not sure if there is an overarching reason why. Probably a mix of socioeconomic status (a lot of these people are from the trailer park or less affluent parts of town), peer pressure and belief that is isn't very bad for you.
02:48.00Monet"seeing is believing" so a relative being a living exception is much more plausable than the claim of words on a paper.
02:48.10Tek0516A living family member that supposedly contradicts scientific evidence probably encourages them.
02:48.12DrodoEmpireTo a subjective mind, yes
02:49.26MonetOlder parts of the brain (evolution-wise) tend to be more dominant when it comes to decision-making.
02:49.59DrodoEmpire^
02:49.59MonetRational judgement has to fight really hard against the more subconsious reactionary parts of the brain
02:50.32MonetBecause evolution has honed those components to be the ones that best survived natural selection.
02:50.55DrodoEmpireRIght
02:51.09DrodoEmpireOnly now has it come back to really sort of bite us in the ass. :P
02:52.05MonetSocial evolution has proven to outpace biological evolution
02:52.39DrodoEmpire^
02:54.32MonetCharging into melee has been inadviseable for the past 300 years and largely considered suicide for the past 100. yet even i nthe 21st century there are still millions who admire a good old melee brawl or a guy who can take on entire gangs with a sword or his fists.
02:54.52MonetEven if today, in a lot of real world millitary situations, you'll die pretty damn quickly.
02:55.01DrodoEmpireWell yeah
02:55.30DrodoEmpireBut there's a big difference between a street brawl, where the biggest weapon would be an automatic pistol, and a modern-day battlefield whicha re fast ceasing to exist
02:56.17MonetThere's a big difference yeah, but the guy holding hte gun will still potentially flip the table.
02:56.28DrodoEmpirePlus a physical show of strength activates something primal in us. It impresses us on an animalistic scale
02:56.58DrodoEmpireBut it has little to do with the conscious balance of power. Again it impresses us on a primal scale
02:57.00Monet^ That's probably what keeps the tradition alive the most
02:57.47DrodoEmpireAnd it'll stay alive for as long as we exist, probably.
02:58.37DrodoEmpire(Also 1700's-early-mid 1800's charges where completely practical; You waited for the enemy line to start reloading and then you fixed bayonets and charged)
02:59.20MonetWe evolved from primates, where the alpha was frequently the biggest and/or toughest of the group. So even in the 21st century where a gun can level the playing field between 6' 5" tank and a 5' 11" dude, the 6ft dude will always be mroe of a threat.
02:59.29MonetTo our primal brains
02:59.34DrodoEmpire(In fact until the American Civil war bayonets, swords, etc. made up for about 2/3's of battlefield casualties. Firearms made up for very little)
02:59.52DrodoEmpireMonet: Exactly
03:01.12MonetProbably why the criteria for being a grenadier was to nto only be muscular or heavy-set, but also tall. And were given a nice tall hat to accompany your uniform.
03:01.27DrodoEmpire^ Yep
03:01.49DrodoEmpireGrenadiers very quickly went from "bomb-guys" to "fuck those guys up with your bayonet" guys
03:02.20MonetAll you really need to be a grenadier is to have a very good throwing arm.
03:02.29DrodoEmpireBeing much taller and stronger helped in a brawl
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03:02.59MonetBut having a single massive right arm may bring up other assumptions. :P
03:03.06DrodoEmpirehur
03:03.13GD12wat
03:03.15DrodoEmpireWell back then yeah; Most soldiers where poor people picked up from the slums
03:03.25DrodoEmpireTalking about grenadiers
03:03.28GD12oh
03:03.57DrodoEmpireVery different from the professional career-soldier of today. :P
03:04.37MonetI admit that similar criteria, despite having the capacity to perhaps GM the trait out, Blood Dragons are still picked from egg donations that contain genes that favour the tendency to result in big and strong Draconis.
03:04.57DrodoEmpireAh, right
03:05.23MonetSo I guess in the Imperium the grenadier guard live on in the BDs
03:05.47GD12Why would you want to GM out massive arms?
03:06.30MonetGD12: Actually the GM trait I was talking about was the primal programming to see being big as being powerful.
03:06.41GD12Oh lol
03:07.41MonetAlthough BD candidates are also picked based on the potential intelligence of the donation. So the Guard isn't  an army of dumb brutes.
03:08.05GD12Also helps that iirc they are educated
03:08.13GD12BD reminds me more of janissaries than thugs
03:08.30MonetThey are
03:09.31Monet" Academic studies focus on basics such as maths and Dracid as well as topics they can use within military life includiing anatomy, chemistry, imperial history, psychology, maths, information technology and biology."
03:10.24MonetAnd as we worked out, veteren BDs can potentially get pretty good at understanding politics.
03:10.33DrodoEmpire"maths"
03:10.34GD12The Warrior-Philosopher or Warrior-Scholar I think is much more popular than thuggish brute on SW
03:10.42GD12Maths is useful lol
03:10.44DrodoEmpireI'm sorry but as a canadian I get a kick out of "Maths"
03:10.49DrodoEmpireJust the word
03:10.52DrodoEmpire"Maths"
03:11.11GD12oh lol
03:11.44MonetGD12: The warrior scholar is a mroe interesting oponent
03:11.55DrodoEmpireMore dangerous opponent as well
03:12.26MonetSuh an opponent can both deck you to next Sunday and outsmart/wit you while doing so.
03:12.30MonetSuch*
03:13.19The_Randomness"I challenged you to a battle of wits, but you appear to have come unarmed." :^)
03:14.13GD12Oh thats good
03:14.23GD12I'm going to use that next time I get into a debate irl
03:14.32MonetI think I added anatomy and biology because in WoW, when you progress down the skinning profession your character gains a percentage increase to damage against beast-class opponents.
03:14.38Monetbeast-type*
03:15.19GD12Theres also a game
03:15.21MonetThe tooltip for the buff strongly implied the damge increase came from knowing where to properly hit.
03:15.22GD12Ahh
03:15.23GD12XCOM
03:15.27GD12if you have anatomy of enemy
03:15.32GD12you get better hit chance iirc
03:15.36GD12or something like that
03:15.58MonetAlso anatony I suppose is good for adminsitering first ade lol
03:16.04Monetaid*
03:17.05MonetEven if field wound treatment in the Imperial military is as simple as injecting nanites into the wound that knit the flesh up.
03:17.06DrodoEmpirehttp://www.brainpickings.org/2014/12/29/neil-degrasse-tyson-reading-list/ - Clever, but from his assessment of The Art of War he must not have read it.
03:17.41DrodoEmpireIf anything, the Art of War strongly cautions against armed conflict; Much preferring (admittedly underhanded) diplomacy and other tricks to achieve bloodless victory.
03:18.16MonetAs satirical as The Prince was, it had a big influence on the way modern politics is done.
03:18.21DrodoEmpire^^^^^^^
03:19.12MonetThe publication seems almsot ironic
03:19.13DrodoEmpireIn his discussion of the "levels of war", meeting the enemy's armies in battle; Causing the deaths of soldiers, was ranked as the second lowest. Besieging the enemy's cities, thus putting innocent lives at risk, was seen as the lowest form; Economically impractical and dimishes the value of the land postwar
03:19.59DrodoEmpireIt is rather ironic, even satirical, but that doesn't change the fact that his assessment of the Art of War is objectively incorrect. :P War isn't about killing, its about achieving an objective
03:20.45MonetMachiavelli wrote it as a "fuck you bitch" to the Rennaisance politics that led him to be exiled from Florence, yet these days it's practicalyl required reading if you want to progress in business or politics.
03:20.57DrodoEmpirePretty much
03:22.21MonetMaybe it was the way Machiavelli offered it to his former patrons?
03:23.44MonetDid he write it with the intent to sabotage the career of the Medici or something?
03:25.34GD12hmm
03:25.48DrodoEmpire?
03:26.10GD12In any case, there's no denying he made many astute observations in that book
03:26.43GD12since iirc the book was (whatever its intention was) mostly based on observations he had on how people REALLY conducted politics
03:26.48GD12that or memory is just foggy
03:27.26MonetAccording to Cracked he was one of those wh owatched the Medici rise to power and take over Lorence
03:27.29MonetFlorence*
03:27.47MonetAnd they broke his arms as punishment for advocating the idea of free republics
03:28.27DrodoEmpire:P
03:29.13The_Randomnessrude
03:29.15The_Randomness:p
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03:29.51MonetSo yeah, I guess The Prince was a "fuck you society" treatise that ended u pebing used a sa guidebook
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03:30.07DrodoEmpireBasicallt
03:30.12DrodoEmpire*Basically
03:30.37DrodoEmpireIt was a critique of society so accurate it came to be used by the same society it condemned.
03:31.44GD12I don't think critique implies condemnation
03:32.23MonetProbably didn't help that the Medici rose ot become one of the most prolificof the Rennaissance banking families
03:32.28GD12aye
03:32.33DrodoEmpireBit of a nitpick, but good observation nonetheless. :P
03:32.57GD12haha
03:33.23GD12bbl
03:58.38DrodoEmpireWell here's one thing I know
03:58.50DrodoEmpireEndless Space's soundtrack is absolutely incredible.
03:59.10The_RandomnessYeah, it has a pretty nice OST
03:59.10TekDroidNever played it.
03:59.34DrodoEmpireIts a little like Civ V but with a space empire. Pretty fun game
04:00.20MonetMusic is indeed beautiful, tech web is astounding
04:00.31MonetWar can be a pain though
04:01.09DrodoEmpireYeah the war mechanics leave a lot to be desired. But war really isn't the rewarding part of the game for me
04:01.21DrodoEmpireIn fact in my experience its a smaller part of the game
04:01.24The_Randomnesstfw pirates show up and give you a headache
04:02.36DrodoEmpirehur
04:03.10DrodoEmpireJust the activity of colonizing and developing your star systems is enough of a game for me almost.
04:03.56The_RandomnessI agree
04:06.09TekDroidI should really get that next time it goes on sale. It's been on my list for a while.
04:06.50DrodoEmpireYeah, its fun
04:07.15DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASecond_Roman_Republic - Also I *really* need to use these guys
04:07.30DrodoEmpireSuch an interesting fiction I've left sitting around for a while
04:07.55MonetI love how funny the truth is in the last line
04:08.38DrodoEmpireHm?
04:10.19MonetIn the real Roman EMpire, Maximus Decimus Meridius woulf have effectively escaped execution and got picked up by a travelling talent scout.
04:11.05DrodoEmpireAh
04:11.32MonetRather than being valued entertainment fodder like the film portrayed him as.
04:11.46DrodoEmpireYeah
04:12.19DrodoEmpireBut yeah their reaction to finding modern humans will be... Interesting, to say the least/
04:12.53DrodoEmpireConsidering their want and hope to reunite with the Roman Empire has become an ingrained, almost religious part of their culture since day one
04:12.54MonetOther than "wht kind of dum gibberish is this you're all speaking!"?
04:13.03DrodoEmpireYeah. XD
04:13.17Zillafire101"Latin Motherf*cker do you speak it?"
04:13.42DrodoEmpireThey'd likely be utterly devastated and shocked to hear of the fall of the Roman Empire. At that point their  objective would be the capture and restoration of Rome
04:14.02Zillafire101I must say, I really like the SRR, really awesome.
04:14.05DrodoEmpireWhich would've been like the crusaders crossing into the holy land for them
04:14.08DrodoEmpireThanks
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04:15.00Zillafire101I've actually harbored ideas of doing my own "humans-being transplated into my fiction" type idea, though I'm afraid it's been done to often.
04:15.29DrodoEmpireI'm not certain if its been done too often honestly; The Romans and *maybe* a few others are all I know of
04:15.43Zillafire101Still, I'm iffy about it.
04:15.50Zillafire101if-fy?
04:16.00DrodoEmpireNah, iffy
04:16.02Zillafire101You ge the idea
04:16.08Zillafire101*get
04:16.39DrodoEmpireYeah XD
04:17.44Zillafire101Eh, your right, I've already asked some of my other firneds on here about the idea, and they like it. I'll go for it. I need to expand my fiction's touch a bit anyway.
04:17.57DrodoEmpireAh
04:18.29MonetDrodoEmpire: It could be interesting to see a mroe independant human power.
04:18.39MonetBut maybe add a bit ot the page first
04:18.55DrodoEmpireYeah that's just the starting off bit
04:19.01DrodoEmpireI will need to work on it for sure
04:20.22Monet"For a short time, the captured Romans where contained in the Draconid outpost in the Alps, where many fearful but curious Romans wrote accounts and sketched what they saw; Even seeing there capturers, in the short moments they saw them, as gods" > This gave me the mental image of Jupiter and Mars as lizardmen lol
04:20.29DrodoEmpirehur
04:20.39DrodoEmpireI'm rewriting the history anyhow
04:20.48DrodoEmpireMost of the first half'll stay the same
04:20.59DrodoEmpireBut when they actually reach the planet, I'm expanding on that
04:22.15MonetALthough that section gives me a curiosu thought...would the Roman captives percieve the Draconis to be wearing tunics and legionary uniforms, or something quite different and alien?
04:22.52Zillafire101Perhaps they'd wear familiar clothing to make them feel more comfortable?
04:23.13DrodoEmpireProbably something familiar, yeah
04:24.21DrodoEmpirePlus the amount of time that's gone by would probably mean that the Draconis the modern romans see as physical depictions of their gods and the real draconis likely look very different due to artistic interpretation, misinterpretation of eyewitness reports, etc.
04:24.33DrodoEmpireAs in statues, etc.
04:24.34MonetZillafore101: They mainly saw the Draconis in the Alps outpost. SO while thre might be one or two who dressed the part, most of them - the security detail especially - would be wearing something commonplace i nthe DI
04:25.51MonetI remember one educational game about the Romans at school that was built to feel like you were wandering a small Roman town. You talked to citizens like an interview and I remember oen guy who found beer to be a disgusting concoction and trouers to be both strange and "very ugly"
04:26.31MonetThen again it was jsut oen guy so it's possible that not every ROman - especially in the northern part of the Empire, saw trousers as wierd.
04:27.36DrodoEmpireWell it was a general sentiment within among Romans that trousers where barbaric
04:28.02DrodoEmpireBut yeah considering how cold it got (along with the general barbarization of the empire in the later period) they would've gained acceptance
04:28.49Zillafire101Beer to be disgusting? This is why the "barbarians" are so much more manly.
04:29.12MonetWell eyah it was made from wheat or barley.
04:29.31MonetPlebian foodstuffs
04:30.20MonetDrodoEmpire: About the depictions. Maybe ancient statues could look like a hybrid of sorts between human and Draconis while maybe more modern depictions (enlightenment, late medieval) could either have them looking like winged Argonians or perhaps humans with wings and scaly skin?
04:30.54DrodoEmpireMakes sense.
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04:34.53MonetI was about to suggest the amount of humanisation could depend on how positively or negatively the Draconis were seen. But then I remembered that in the times of Rome, pretty much all the Gods had their flaws.
04:48.52Zillafire101Alright, Drodo, I went ahead with it, humans are now in my fiction. And not just a crazy Queen fan.
04:49.30DrodoEmpire_hur
04:49.36Zillafire101http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%Mendel_Pact/Species#Humans/Geu'meha(?)
04:50.13DrodoEmpire_Link isn't working
04:50.31Zillafire101I know. Maybe it's those dum Paratha-thingies.
04:50.31MonetWho called them Geu'meha?
04:50.44Zillafire101It's a Mendel word for human.
04:50.53MonetRight.
04:51.56Zillafire101http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%Mendel_Pact/Species#Humans/Geu'meha
04:51.57MonetI'm guessing you based them on the Tau term for humans in their space: gue'la
04:52.22Zillafire101Yeah, I consider it a place holder until I find something with a more gaelic feel.
04:52.33Zillafire101That's not working either.
04:52.54Zillafire101These computers confound me.
04:53.12MonetYeah, was going ot say Geu'meha and gue'la both sound a little too close to "Gaijin"
04:54.17MonetI'm not against you using a derivative of gaijin - hell half of Dracid is butchered Latin - but I agree you should find something that fits the Mendel more
04:54.30Zillafire101Yeah, even the more Tau-based elements still paint their bodies with tattos and fight with claymores.
04:55.36TekDroid-.- My enemy requies me to give up a province for it to accept peace, but it won't even let me give it up if I wanted to.
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04:56.36DrodoEmpire_wat
04:57.17MonetDammit FOX
04:57.18Zillafire101It's gone too far. My gawd.
04:57.36MonetY u no come up with a news story tthat maeks sense
04:57.52Zillafire101Ain't no Fox got time for that.
04:57.55TekDroid...
04:59.37MonetZIllaFire: Brousing about, common Gaelic terms for "foreigner" "outsider" or "exotic" tend to end in -reach
05:00.06MonetWHich I think is ponounced "rae-acch"
05:00.07Zillafire101Yeah, I saw that. I think I got something.
05:00.57Zillafire101Sicorséach
05:01.09DrodoEmpire_Nice
05:01.10MonetI like
05:01.37Zillafire101Thank you.
05:01.54MonetThis makes me wonder what language was the inspiration for Mando'a
05:02.07DrodoEmpire_I just realized; The endless space soundtrack would, predictably, go perfectly with SpaceEngine.
05:02.15Zillafire101I keep hearing either Russian or Hungarian.
05:02.19DrodoEmpire_Dunno why it took me so long to come to that conclusion
05:02.40Zillafire101The Mando word for glory I bleieve it the russian word for cat.
05:03.12MonetLooking at the mando'a dicitonary I am getting an Eastern European/Russian feel.
05:03.58Monet"ash'ad" (someone else) however sounds Arabic
05:05.12Monet"Kote"?
05:06.18Zillafire101Glorious cats.
05:06.40Monet"mirshmure'cya" = Keldabe Kiss
05:06.55MonetWas Keldabe the Star Wars equivilent of Glasgow?
05:07.07MonetOh bloody hell
05:07.14Zillafire101The Mandos are Celtic-based, so possibly.
05:07.20MonetImagine a city full of angry drunk Mandalorians.
05:07.38DrodoEmpire_hur
05:08.02Zillafire101They can take our land, but they can never take, our cats!
05:08.09DrodoEmpire_olol
05:08.38Zillafire101I now have the image of Mandos chanting about cats before going to battle.
05:09.23MonetCould there be a touch of Bedouin or Tatar in them? (nomadic tendancies)
05:10.06Zillafire101I always got a Mongol or Turkish theme, with how they conscript others into their ranks.
05:10.30MonetThey do also tend ot have the reputation of the Mongols where they like showing up, fucking shit up then leaving all for the sake of glory.
05:10.50Zillafire101And the fact the Khan and Mandalore titles are pretty similar.
05:11.27MonetI recall Gengis Khan's attempt at a capital was, quite simply, a massive city of yurts.
05:12.31MonetMakes sense I guess, when your entire world is nothing but flatland with parelyany trees, shrubbery or even runnign water, settling down is a little tricky
05:13.13Monetbarely any*
05:13.47MonetTechnically Tatars count as Mongols as they were subjugated by the Khans
05:13.58MonetAlthough I think they also outlasted it for a time
05:14.43MonetThey were one of several major Mongol clans
05:15.53MonetSO I guess logically, Mandalorians are combinations of Mongols, Turks and Scottish clans.
05:16.25MonetAlthough as I have been informed, an affinity with greatsowrds isn't as unique as it seems
05:16.41MonetThey were pretty widely used thoughout Europe.
05:17.46MonetHighland er and Bravehart might have helped the idea though, since I recal lthat as far as swords go, Wallace's was massive
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09:28.02HachimanHai Panda
09:28.55GhelaeHello.
09:30.47TekDroidHello
09:31.07AdmiralPanda_hi
09:31.10TekDroidIt's 4:30am here... >.>
09:31.23HachimanGet to bed then
09:31.30AdmiralPanda_so normal clock off time for me after D&D :P
09:33.36TekDroidI was going to go sleep a few hours ago but then I stumbled across the series Cosmos and watched three episodes of it. XD
09:35.02HachimanNgh gonna have to restart comp because Youtube is acting up again
09:35.19HachimanLeave my computer on for around several days and Youtube will start to glitch
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09:41.12HachimanRight better
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11:00.19GhelHello.
11:05.39AdmiralPanda_hi all
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13:21.57HachimanHai
13:22.06HachimanWell all the stuff has been moved around now
13:22.20HachimanJust need to unpack the stuff I put away
13:24.57OluapPlayerhi
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13:41.35ImpyDroidHachiman: What happened?
13:41.47HachimanRearranged my room
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13:50.18Hachimanfug
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14:08.05ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: http://www.fenapef.org.br/fenapef/imagem/noticia/081128_caveirao.jpg Holy shit is that what the police drivrs in your country
14:08.07ImpyDroid*drives
14:08.25OluapPlayerApparently
14:08.32OluapPlayerI've never seen one of these before
14:08.38ImpyDroidThat looks like a Batmobile
14:09.27OluapPlayerWhy are you looking at pictures of brazilian police cars?
14:09.30LeagueOfPandathat'd probably be a SWAT vehicle
14:09.38LeagueOfPandaor the local equivalent
14:10.21ImpyDroidStumbled across its description on TVTropes, decided to take a look
14:19.49Xho"What do you call a cheap circumcision? A rip off."
14:23.23OluapPlayerNgh I want to do fiction but there's no fiction to do
14:24.05XhoI would start off the next fantasy arc
14:24.11XhoBut I have Shroud to finish coding first
14:25.01OluapPlayerAnd you've not coded anything up in days
14:25.28XhoHaven't felt like it
14:25.59OluapPlayer"hur dur ill code one section per day"
14:26.00OluapPlayerbullshi
14:26.20XhoWell that was the plan
14:26.24XhoI never usually follow plans
14:52.42ImpyDroidOluapPlayer Xho: Let eet Go - Heavina BabyMenzel : [sfm]: http://youtu.be/pSsYTj9kCHE
14:57.43OluapPlayerWell that was something
14:57.48OluapPlayerPretty good something
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15:26.33MonetHello
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15:57.51Vincent20100Hey Officer!
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16:04.44MonetReminds me of a line from GTA V
16:05.51MonetTrevor says a sentence in Spanish to this Mexican arms dealer contact and his repsonse to Trevor's fluency was an intrigued "Hey! I didn't know you spoke a real language."
16:06.47Hachimanolol
16:40.35Hachiman~test
16:40.35infobotrumour has it, test is not funny
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16:40.58HachimanDumb IRC
16:46.51Hachiman~test
16:46.52infobotmethinks test is not funny
16:46.56HachimanRight
16:47.20OluapPlayerstop dis
16:47.36GhelDid you quit and then rejoin becaus you did a ~test and infobot didn't respond? Because she did respond right after you quit.
16:47.52HachimanOh wow what a bitch
16:48.05HachimanYeah that was why I quit
16:48.42OluapPlayerhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/11/Vargash.png/revision/latest?cb=20150301164755 no more face
16:49.14HachimanJesus
16:49.16HachimanI like it
16:49.31HachimanI think it's a definite improvement to the old Vargash model for sure
16:49.38HachimanLooks much more intimidating and bizarre
16:51.53OluapPlayerhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/11/Vargash.png/revision/20130525174614 eugh
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17:07.31HachimanHai Imp
17:10.10HachimanSo apparently Kanye West is naming his next album "So Help Me God"
17:13.27OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Simulacra#Ramainaualmari I've updated this so it explains there are 3 Vargashs
17:14.41HachimanNice, pretty damn daunting
17:15.51OluapPlayerThat makes all 3 of them equally important
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17:28.47ImperiosOluapPlayer: >expand Vargash
17:29.07OluapPlayertentacleface.png
17:29.10OluapPlayer~slap Cyrannian
17:29.11infobotACTION slaps Cyrannian, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
17:29.40GhelHello.
17:32.34ImperiosSo what personality does normal Vargash have now
17:33.43MonetHello
17:33.49OluapPlayerUnchanged
17:34.12ImperiosRight
17:34.26OluapPlayerVargash is still the evil crystal-obsessed tentacle mountain everyone knows
17:34.33HachimanHai Cyr
17:35.11HachimanCrux - f͘͝͞͠U̵̶̧͟C͏̶K̸̴
17:35.31HachimanThat reminds me
17:35.40HachimanI have no idea what to do with Crux at this point
17:35.56HachimanThe whole deal with insanity is filled by Vargash
17:35.58LeagueOfPandacall him terminatus and put him on your shoulder
17:36.05Hachimanhur
17:36.15HachimanA Terminatus biscuit
17:36.29ImperiosI have a similar deal with Alar'xashan
17:36.46OluapPlayerdey problematic cus no paeg
17:36.48ImperiosWe have not one but *two* control freaks
17:36.48LeagueOfPandaactually the crux terminatus is the fancy cross on a Terminator's shoulder pad, which is also their power field generator
17:37.07ImperiosLeagueOfPanda: Not sure if Crux would give its user a 5+ save
17:37.08OluapPlayerThree
17:37.26OluapPlayerAlar'xashan, Zran Kar and Zarmagahla
17:37.29LeagueOfPandaImperios: Created to resist the energies of a titan's plasma core > gives 5+ invul save
17:37.47ImperiosAnd that's the power of Imperial technology kids
17:37.53ImperiosOluapPlayer: I was not counting my guy
17:38.03OluapPlayery not hes your guy
17:38.06LeagueOfPandameanwhile, Eldar get saves like that for being fancy
17:38.23ImperiosI mean Alar
17:38.35OluapPlayerTo be honest I never really understood your Simulacra and the Outworld mainly because of how little you wrote about them
17:40.37ImperiosThat's because I did not have much inspiration behind them other than "bloodthirsty Mesoamerican-Abrahamic shiny god" and "sexy evil cat goddess"
17:40.58ImperiosI still struggle with getting any characterisation for them and, most of all, weaving their story into that of the rest of the world
17:42.00OluapPlayerwell work on dat
17:42.16OluapPlayerI'd like our fiction to be more involved
17:42.28OluapPlayerAs in, yours and mine
17:43.42ImperiosCould work perhaps
17:44.30OluapPlayerWe ought to do stories together at some point, i'm sure we can come up with good stuff
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17:47.57ImperiosYa
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18:12.49Hachiman_AwayAm I still connected
18:12.56LeagueOfPandamhm
18:13.01LeagueOfPandayou've been going in and out
18:13.29HachimanSounds like my sex life
18:13.33HachimanExcept the in part
18:13.53HachimanJust out
18:15.30CyrannianBother, if anyone has any featured article suggestions, let it be known.
18:15.56HachimanWeep and wither dear Cyrannian for I have none
18:16.31CyrannianTroublesome news dear boy
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18:17.16DrodoEmpireHi everyone
18:17.19GhelHello.
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18:17.35Cyrannianbrb
18:17.44HachimanHai Drodo
18:19.44TekDroidHello
18:28.32ImperiosXho: I am surprised that noone has ever made jokes about ISIS's leader's first name being Abu
18:31.06Imperioshttp://krautchan.net/files/1425234637001.png I'll be the first one then
18:33.36XhoImperios: I only barely get that
18:33.44ImperiosHis first name is Abu
18:33.58ImperiosISIS's leader's, that is
18:36.03ImperiosHachiman: Oh BTW I quoted Khadya
18:36.11HachimanI saw
18:36.13HachimanNice quote
18:37.52ImperiosI imagine Javina's voice turning into a high-pitched whisper whenever she's aroused or infatuated
18:38.55XhoWell it would be weird if it became deep like an Oevrumine's
18:41.20Monet"Set is a god of the desert, storms, disorder, violence and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion" > "and foreigners"
18:41.39Hachiman>foreigners
18:41.41Hachiman>disorder
18:42.35OluapPlayerJavina - MUH methaphorical DIK
18:44.03MonetFor me this is the nail that xnophobia is probably innate in humans
18:44.55HachimanXenophobia is innate in a lot of animals
18:45.00HachimanTerritorial animals anyway
18:45.03GhelForeigners have been associated with violance and disorder in every civilisation with a concept of "barbarians".
18:45.29XhoWell the foreigners for the Egyptians were damn right vicious
18:46.17MonetXho: Hmm true, so I guess in Egypt's case there's credance for associating violent foreigners with the god of disorder and violence
18:46.27GhelAnd the foreigners for the Egyptians were also associated with the desert. Because Egypt is surrounded by desert.
18:47.14MonetAlthough I find some humour in how the Roman use of "barbarian" was basically "Anyone who isn't part of the empire" - the list of which interestingly has included Carthage, Greece, Egypt and Persia.
18:47.47ImperiosHachiman: Egyptian - fukin hyksos taking our jerbs
18:48.04ImperiosMonet: Isn't it Greek?
18:48.12Hachimanbar bar
18:48.15Imperiosbar bar bar
18:48.19ImperiosJohn Green is God
18:48.38ImperiosThe original term's meaning was "anyone who could not speak Greek"
18:48.59XhoHachiman: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=401150104 Vegeta's Ki bar
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18:49.57MonetImperios: OKay that makes a lot of sense.
18:50.04ImperiosGreeks aren't the only ones with similar terms for foreigners
18:50.06XhoLiterally spamming Final Flash until everyone dies
18:50.20ImperiosThe Russian term for Germans literally means "those who cannot speak"
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18:51.29XhoIn one of the side missions Ginyu keeps stating that his power level with Goku's body is 180,000
18:51.36The_RandomnessHello
18:51.38XhoHere I am playing with SSJ 4 Vegeta
18:51.41XhoHi
18:51.44ImperiosIt is actually common for peoples to come up with various derogatory terms for their neighbours - terms that often become commonplace
18:51.45GhelHello.
18:51.56ImperiosDo you know that "Welsh" was originally an ethnic slur essentially?
18:52.12HachimanBeing Welsh is an insult in itself :p
18:52.58MonetI didn't.
18:53.46MonetAlthough it's funny how a slur can lose it's vulgarity when the people labelled with it start using it proudly.
18:54.00LeagueOfPandaImperios Monet The_Randomness: Do you scrubs have time to talk about D&D?
18:54.05ImperiosA littler bit
18:54.19The_RandomnessNot right now, sorry. :/
18:54.37ImperiosMonet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhaz That
18:54.47ImperiosAnd yeah it happens, look at the N-word for example
18:54.55LeagueOfPandalater then?
18:55.22The_RandomnessYeah
18:56.17ImperiosHachiman: Why's that? Is that some inter-British rivalry I do not get?
18:56.36ImperiosAll I know about the Welsh is that they are Celts and apparently other Brits think they have a liking for sheep
18:56.40LeagueOfPandaIt's a commonwealth thing in general
18:56.43HachimanAye
18:56.58LeagueOfPandaevery part of the commonwealth is subject to joking insults from every other part
18:57.00MonetWales is...not that imrpessive a vountry aside from Cardiff and Swansea.
18:57.03LeagueOfPandaexcept canada, those guys are cool
18:57.12Monetcountry*
18:57.23HachimanI remember going to Wales on a trip
18:57.29HachimanMy God I am glad I have not returned since
18:57.29GhelCanada get insulted by the USA, so they don't need the rest of us for that.
18:57.53ImperiosAlso Canadian apology storm has to be restrained somehow
18:58.12ImperiosThe only Canadian I saw in my life apologised to me for about half a minute
18:58.23MonetUnlike Scotland, no one pulls punches joking about Wales because it's common knowledge that modern Wales simply could not survive independantly.
18:58.29OluapPlayeru apologize more than a canadian
18:59.01ImperiosYa, sorry for that
18:59.12OluapPlayerc
18:59.14MonetWales is pretty massively reliant on England's economy and infrastructure
18:59.49ImperiosEthnic Russians have a neutral passive-agressive relationship for one another and friendly contempt for other Russian ethnicities
19:00.28ImperiosBut we generally do not care about that because we all want to punch the Donbass out of Ukraine more
19:02.09ImperiosOr rather punch Ukraine's desire to be Westernised out of it
19:02.37HachimanNothing wrong with being Westernised
19:02.43ImperiosYa of course
19:02.53ImperiosThe basic premise behind the Ukrainian crisis is basically a yandere love story
19:03.04MonetPutin would disagree :>
19:03.38MonetThen again isn't Russia still somewhat westernised because of Peter the Great?
19:03.50ImperiosPutin/Russia is basically so outraged that Ukraine's new government decided to be fully pro-Western that he went full yandere and basically went all "IF I CAN'T HAVE YOU THEN NOONE WILL"
19:03.51Cyrannianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_II - This is a thing apparently.
19:04.00ImperiosMonet: By Westernised I mean politically
19:04.08ImperiosAligned with the EU and NATO
19:04.17OluapPlayer"Colder War"
19:04.19OluapPlayerFucking 10/10
19:04.37ImperiosOluapPlayer: Putin - THE COLD NEVER BOTHERED ME ANYWAY
19:04.42OluapPlayerhur
19:06.18Cyrannianhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/George_Bush_and_Vladimir_Putin_2008-04-05.jpg - I ship it
19:06.33ImperiosHur
19:06.48ImperiosActually, Putin x Obama is much better
19:07.02CyrannianPutbush is my OTP.
19:07.08MonetObana's not a warmonger
19:07.19ImperiosTrue, Bush and Putin are more similar in that regard
19:07.25ImperiosBut Putin at least has a brain
19:07.32MonetThen again Bush...I dunno. THe Iraq War was Cheney's fault mostly
19:07.55ImperiosFunny thing is, there were jokes about Putin being gay in late 2000s
19:08.15The_Randomnessbbl
19:08.15OluapPlayerPutin likes to putin
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19:08.41Cyrannianhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Vladimir_Putin_in_Japan_3-5_September_2000-22.jpg - <3
19:09.06OluapPlayer"That'll teach you you damn weeaboo"
19:09.43Monet"I will be Putin you on the floor.... now"
19:10.12ImperiosPutin should demand duels with all other world leaders and then beat them all one by one
19:10.53ImperiosI'll be honest I do not like Putin that much but at least he's kinda cool
19:10.56HachimanPutin's ex-KGB, I would not be surprised if he could
19:11.11HachimanPutin strikes me as a Russian equivalent to Margaret Thatcher
19:11.17ImperiosMixed with James Bond
19:11.30ImperiosBut yeah the comparison can be made
19:11.42ImperiosOf Russian leaders before him he can be compared to Catherine the Great probably
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19:11.49Knight_AlienHello
19:12.18MonetSo he's bad, but he manages to pull off looking cool?
19:12.35ImperiosAye, he's quite popular here
19:12.38Cyrannianhttp://i.imgur.com/fh2ro.jpg - I think I've had enough of the Internet for one day
19:13.05OluapPlayerCyrannian confirmed for having an affair with Putin
19:13.15ImperiosPeople decry him as a tyrant, but that is exactly why he is popular; he uses this to show that he is powerful, and also to portray himself as a defender of Russia against Western incursion
19:14.15ImperiosAfter all the whole Ukraine affair was, as I said, to keep NATO away from Ukraine (and to steal Crimea), and he largely succeeded in that
19:14.43ImperiosBecause obviously if NATO was right at his border Putin would probably have a solid chance of becoming the next Saddam Hussein or at least Yanukovitch
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19:15.14GhelaeHello.
19:16.01ImperiosAnd neither he nor most Russians would like that, because after 1917 and 1991 Russians are generally VERY suspicious of revolutions
19:16.26CyrannianHello dearie
19:16.38ImperiosLike we ended up with a civil war the first time and a crime-ridden corporatocracy owned by Western companies the second time
19:16.38Ghelae~give Cyrannian a cookie
19:16.39infobotACTION gives Cyrannian a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up.
19:17.02Cyrannian~give Ghelae a cake
19:17.02infobotACTION gives a cake to Ghelae
19:17.13ImperiosAnd frankly I am not sure if Ukraine will actually get better from being part of EU
19:17.16ImperiosLook at Greece
19:17.18ImperiosOr Italy
19:17.19Ghelaeturns the cake into a cookie and sets it on fire
19:17.46GhelaeHmm. On second thoughts, maybe I should have just eaten that cake.
19:21.09ImperiosThat and they are RULED BY A CHOCOLATE MAGNATE
19:24.39HachimanI swear that's racism right there
19:25.04ImperiosI mean he owns a chocolate factory
19:25.04Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10968228_325030861020899_2093881670667825156_n.jpg?oh=c09e81f0d72ab54fe15a87900278fede&oe=5591093E&__gda__=1435337812_00a7f4c6590b0aca2ca82cffba54076e
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19:29.58Hachiman~test
19:29.58infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
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19:30.53Suppy_Hey howdy
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19:31.58dino82_hellow!
19:32.16CyrannianDino!
19:32.51DrodoEmpireHey Dino!
19:32.53GhelaeHello.
19:32.57DrodoEmpirewaves to Suppy_
19:33.54dino82_How is all doing!
19:33.57dino82_Hello Drodo adn Ghel!
19:34.00DrodoEmpireGood, good!
19:34.06DrodoEmpireYou?
19:35.23MonetVery good.
19:35.53dino82_I am also geat, thanks :D
19:35.57dino82_Monet!!!!!!!
19:36.03dino82_Just played out Lighting Returns
19:36.06dino82_very nice ending
19:36.15HachimanEw FF13
19:36.41HachimanI am surprised you can consider anything redeeming about Final Fantasy 13
19:36.44Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11018346_956233191053405_1479933802636370923_n.jpg?oh=f4e721ac2dbd545f3cbd1b2a0571a9fd&oe=5576734A&__gda__=1434104352_9ec90a6c86e8770ff351c2469076799f
19:36.57ImperiosHachi goes AM mode again
19:37.05MonetThe some of the locations?
19:37.37dino82_@Hachi: Well I found FF13-2 and Lightnign Returns very amusing games,
19:37.49HachimanImperios: Except a large majority of Final Fantasy fans hate Final Fantasy 13 :p
19:38.00ImperiosAlright
19:38.13ImperiosSorry, didn't know what you were talking about hur
19:38.19Hachimandino82_: Well if you enjoy them then it's your opinion but I just didn't find FF13 as enjoyable as the other games
19:38.58dino82_the original FF13 was hard to get in, was getting fun while half way the game
19:54.25DrodoEmpiretest
19:54.31Suppy_gud
19:54.40DrodoEmpireyey
19:54.42DrodoEmpire:3
19:57.38CyrannianA name for an Imperial enforcement agency: Imperial Directorate of Intelligence or Imperial Bureau of Defence?
19:58.05Suppy_Imperial Security Bureau is a classic
19:58.09DrodoEmpireI like both really
19:58.20DrodoEmpireThough either one mean different things
19:58.41DrodoEmpireThat, or "Imperial Bureau of Defence" is somewhat purposely ambiguous
19:59.02DrodoEmpire*Purposely somewhat ambiguous?
19:59.06Suppy_Imperial Security Office?
19:59.09HachimanSounds Orwellian
19:59.45CyrannianDefence here having the meaning of "spying on you for your own good".
20:00.04MonetOrwellian would be something positive, but the inverse
20:00.11MonetLike "Minsitry of truth" = propaganda
20:00.12GhelaeThat explains why the first option sounds like an intelligence agency.
20:00.36MonetMinistry of plenty -> ministry of rations
20:00.58GhelaeImperial Bureau of Defence sounds less like they're spying on you, so if they don't want people to think they're being spied on, that's a good choice.
20:01.36CyrannianYeah, I think I'll use that
20:02.52OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Angels_of_the_Hunting_Isle#The_Devil_Jaw blah
20:03.19XhoI thought that said 'The Devil Jew' for a sec
20:03.21XhoI blame Imp
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20:11.55ImperiosBureau of Defense is best
20:15.03Imperios...That's actually what FSB translates to
20:15.08ImperiosFederal Security Service
20:25.26XhoOluapPlayer: "1-7 Germany?                Nice try mate, but I don't care for football."             Man that burn
20:25.58OluapPlayerbecause I love football
20:26.31ImperiosYou do?
20:27.16OluapPlayerNo I hate football, that was sarcasm hur
20:28.16XhoAnd then the response to my question
20:28.21XhoI WILL NEVER GET OUT OF YOUR LIFE
20:28.23XhoYOUR LIFE IS MY LIFE
20:28.24XhoSORTA
20:28.26XhoNOT REALLY
20:28.54OluapPlayerhur
20:31.07XhoJust to affirm your suspicions, OluRhap's name *is* a combination of yours and Rhapsidous'
20:31.41OluapPlayerI figured as much
20:31.43OluapPlayerDude's weird
20:32.25XhoHe's alright to talk to
20:32.43XhoI freaked him out once
20:35.36XhoI think Kuga was expecting you to say one of his videos
20:35.41XhoShot down
20:37.04DrodoEmpireI'm gonna defrag my computer so I'll be away for a while
20:37.15OluapPlayerIt'd be impossible to be one of his videos considering I started video-ing a lot earlier than him
20:37.30XhoExactly
20:37.37XhoAlso the two moths per second answer
20:37.47XhoOnly two people at the most would get that joke hur
20:38.39Hachimanhur
20:38.48OluapPlayerdun care hav goggly eyed batman
20:41.39Hachiman"Favourite animes" "Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann"
20:41.41HachimanMan has taste
20:41.59OluapPlayerfukin stalker
20:42.24Suppy_Hachi, you are exactly like one of my friends
20:42.33Suppy_All of your interests are the same, and it's odd
20:42.47Suppy_He goes from papa franku to one moment to quoting Kamina
20:42.54Hachimanhur
20:51.36dino82_New Battle image: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:RamboAidEmpire02.png
20:53.04CyrannianFor this battle: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_Two/Battle_of_Antemurale
20:55.34dino82_Did  you guys also heard of it this week, Leonard Spock Nimoy has passed away, a great actor and inspirator for many
20:55.39dino82_a personal youth hero
20:56.07MonetI heard.
20:56.30MonetCryptic are establishing a monument for him in STO
21:00.24dino82_Wow that is amazing
21:01.22dino82_bye all
21:01.23dino82_have to leave
21:01.26dino82_see ya all next time
21:03.08Suppy_He's absolutely going to have R&D named for him in the future, space/military-wise
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21:13.07Suppy_http://i.imgur.com/QO8JOpi.jpg
21:13.12Suppy_These were some neat little buggers
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21:14.36DarcySupremestgentlemen and ladies
21:15.42GhelaeHello.
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21:56.42Xho"The world is just a barrel-organ which the Lord God turns Himself. We all have to dance to the tune which is already on the drum." It's a cool phrase though who coined it is a little controversial
21:57.03XhoThat being Richard Heydrich who was the father of Reinhard Heydrich
21:57.53HachimanAh
21:58.10XhoIt was also allegedly Heydrich's last words
22:10.46Vincent20100Suppy: I prefer these personnally ^^ http://7770647a14b0867efc75-b939f832d8cd9c860ce8909163419528.r92.cf2.rackcdn.com/176212.jpg
22:11.33MonetIronic because Thunderbirds is American.
22:12.07Vincent20100No, it's British...
22:12.26MonetI was close
22:12.41MonetStill a NATO country tho
22:12.45Vincent20100Yah, only an ocean away ^^
22:13.22MonetAnd don't forget that, these days especially ,Britian is basically America's trying-to-look-cool dad
22:13.35Vincent20100I remember watching this show hardcore when I was 3 - 12
22:16.30MonetYou were watching repeats.
22:16.47Vincent20100Nah, I had them on VHS
22:16.56Monetoh
22:17.06MonetYeah Thunderbirds comes from 1965
22:17.15Vincent20100My father used to watch them younger and he gived me them
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22:19.03SuppyThe Lun-class was super radical
22:19.09Suppyfo sho
22:26.05XhoOluapPlayer: I like how you said "Stay away from TF2 Freaks" in that answer
22:26.34OluapPlayerAnd I mean it
22:27.56XhoAnything past a certain point in time and freaks tend to get a little uh
22:28.00XhoAwful
22:28.24OluapPlayerYes
22:28.45OluapPlayerI tend to prefer TF2 videos where the characters actually act like the TF2 mercs
22:28.46XhoI take it you saw that Death page
22:28.52XhoOh wait I linked it to you didn't I
22:28.57OluapPlayerI saw it yes
22:29.02OluapPlayerThere was not much to see there
22:30.01XhoI think if one can pull off TF2 mercs well enough it is more entertaining than freaks
22:30.35XhoEspecially now as there's some hard-set rule system going on now
22:31.26OluapPlayerI also don't like them referred to as freaks since it sounds very derogative
22:31.45XhoIt works for the old-school characters
22:31.47OluapPlayerSo I always refer to my own characters as simply characters
22:32.14XhoBut characters like Major Scout Guy and Dr. Schadenfreude aren't exactly 'freakish'
22:33.01OluapPlayerThe older original characters are also dead fads by now
22:33.14OluapPlayerMaking a video about Painis Cupcake today is like trying to Rickroll someone
22:33.25XhoThat's quite a comparison
22:33.34OluapPlayerYou're quite a few years late
22:33.59XhoHow old is Rick Roll again
22:34.40Xho2007 apparently
22:34.53XhoThat's some old school stuff
22:34.58OluapPlayer8 years old
22:35.05Xho8
22:35.08XhoOh yeah 2015
22:35.36XhoPersonally I wouldn't call any of the Pavor Nocturnus characters freaks since they're all tech-enhanced instead
22:36.28XhoSuperhuman, metahuman, posthuman
22:36.29XhoI dunno
22:36.59XhoExcept Castor, Sarin and Leviathan of course
22:37.02XhoAndroids instead
22:38.05OluapPlayerbeep
22:38.59XhoThe only characters I could genuinely call freaks are the really weird ones
22:39.05XhoLike Vagineer and that sort of ilk
22:40.32XhoBut no I find most older characters are left in the dust with the more recent ones that are still fairly good
22:41.45OluapPlayerAnd there are the ones who are just TF2 versions of Sonic OCs
22:41.48OluapPlayerLike mister Death
22:41.56XhoThere's a *LOT* of those on deviantART
22:42.19OluapPlayerUnfortunately
22:42.23XhoThe best new-ish character I've seen is The Blightcaller
22:44.29XhoAnything past 2013 is a tenuous region
22:46.28OluapPlayerBlightcaller is cool
22:47.32XhoI have seen a fair few Nightmare Medic rip-offs come to think of it
22:47.52XhoThough since Blightcalller and NiiN are similar I can't actually tell if they're rip-offs of one or the other
22:48.19XhoHm I worded that a bit strangely
22:48.36XhoI mean whether rip-offs are based on Blightcaller or NiiN since they're similar characters
22:50.47XhoI remember Anaidon once said to me "I wonder how he'd do in a fight against Nightmare Medic"
22:50.52XhoI can't remember how it ended
22:51.28OluapPlayerThey MEEEEEEEEEEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC each other and explode
22:51.29OluapPlayerdere
22:51.35XhoDoesn't matter anyway, I'm in the process of moving all my characters to the Pavor Nocturnus worl
22:51.38Xhoworl
22:51.43XhoOh dear here we go
22:51.55Xhoworld*
22:52.31OluapPlayerDIDNEY WORL
22:52.42XhoThey'll all be in that side for the comic series anyway, NiiN is basically a GoD side-antagonist who doesn't do much aside from wrecking settings for sheer fun
22:53.09XhoGoD being short for god-of-dickery/destruction   whatever beings with d
22:53.23XhoDoesn't really have a motive in it for a long time as far as I can tell
22:54.11XhoAll of the supernatural characters basically have a power boost for the sake of them actually being immortal in lore
22:54.53XhoSo I practically intend to shift the power of the whole Freak-setting from goofy dickery into weapon-of-mass-destruction territory
22:55.08XhoWhilst keeping it not in that level
22:55.18XhoI dunno it'll become clearer when I actually get around to doing it
22:56.21OluapPlayerhur
22:56.56XhoI don't think NiiN would be the final-boss of the series though, Eidolon might fit that role
22:57.19XhoI'm having the idea right now that Eidolon is the sentience of the artifact that just warps all of reality into a blender
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23:14.01DrodoEmpireHi evertone
23:14.06DrodoEmpire*Everyone
23:14.09DrodoEmpire>.<
23:23.33DarcySupremestI wonder if I can make a still image of a ship look natural as if it was a moving one
23:24.25Knight_AlienHow is your fictioning Darcy?
23:26.44DarcySupremestGood, I'm touching up a few parts again, like I updated the armor of my Arcanial Guards today because I was bored, and it looks a lot better
23:27.17DarcySupremestIt looks a lot more like the Imperial Guard armor from WH40k in a sense which is what I wanted
23:27.38Knight_AlienAny plans?
23:28.49DarcySupremestWell I plan to update my Navy later when some other stuff progresses, I want to finish off all the pages for my Empire's  internal enemies and stuggles
23:29.03DarcySupremestAnd finish the short story I'm writing for it
23:29.17Knight_AlienAh.
23:29.22DarcySupremestBeyond that I'd call my stuff done when I do that
23:29.40Knight_AlienDo you plan on creating relations with others?
23:30.10DarcySupremestYeah I've just opened up to start doing that
23:30.20DarcySupremestSo I'm hoping to get in on that
23:35.31DarcySupremestI've also been working at a small Machinma purely for shits and giggles
23:35.35DarcySupremestSo we'll see how that turns out
23:37.05Knight_AlienThe Eldarisian's would be glad to establish relations with a new factions, if you want.
23:37.12Knight_Alien*Faction*
23:40.26Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1c2KzJbcGA Prepare to be terrified
23:41.24DarcySupremestUh, that'd be great
23:41.58DarcySupremestProblem is if I end up joining the Schism, I was planning on being DCP sympathetic
23:42.17DarcySupremestso, that might be a bit iffy
23:42.28DarcySupremestBut I like constraints in writing, it makes better stories
23:43.36Knight_AlienEldarisian: We weren't planning on makeing you join the Schism. Just two Empires creating relations. (Hides Schism pamphlets)
23:46.48DarcySupremestIt all works out of course, it just means inter-imperial relations are interest
23:46.59DarcySupremesthaha
23:47.16Knight_AlienXD
23:47.46MonetKnigth_Alien  Indeed it does
23:49.06DarcySupremestWe just make friends and end up helping the other side of the war, its all good
23:50.15DarcySupremestSpeaking of Monet, did you want the Arcanium to run into the DI before the whole brouhaha in the Schism?
23:51.15DarcySupremestI'm going to try have the arcanium at least make it to "Those angry cunts in the middle of nowhere" status before anything big
23:51.57MonetWe can set that event before the big tuff going down yeah
23:51.59MonetI have time now
23:52.28DarcySupremestJust got to think of things storywise
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23:52.46DarcySupremestwhich shouldn't be a problem, I did that with GD12 and it turned out well enough
23:57.06DarcySupremestSo does the DI have any investment in Segmentum Exterioris?
23:57.19DarcySupremestOr is it really just a massive strech of long black

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