IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150129

00:00.12XhoHe's on friendly terms with numerous professional musician as well as Ola Strandberg
00:00.15XhoHe stole my life
00:00.22XhoHe actually ripped it right from me
00:00.56MonetBefriend this musician
00:01.21MonetMake his contacts yours!
00:01.37XhoYeah I should
00:01.57XhoThough I kind of need to start doing solo projects as well in order to make that somewhat justifiable
00:02.34XhoBut Ola Strandberg though
00:02.52XhoThat guy owns the company who makes my favourite custom guitars
00:03.14Xhohttp://www.wrighttoneguitars.com/img/guitars/strandberg/Strandberg8_1/1_Strandberg8_1_butterfly.jpg I would eat a toddler for one of these
00:03.37XhoExceptionally expensive though
00:03.51XhoA top end made-to-measure one costs closer to £4000
00:03.57The_Randomnessjeez
00:04.29XhoOf course if you get an endorsement the price is reduced
00:05.00XhoBig companies like Ibanez can grant full endorsements to the point where guitars are free
00:05.32XhoWhich I guess is how the two guitarists in Meshuggah between them have customised guitars
00:05.48XhoTheir guitars are worth like £5000
00:06.42Xhohttp://www.dv247.com/guitars/ibanez-m8m-8-string-electric-guitar--107075?gclid=CKzq-Jf0t8MCFUPJtAod1DAAGg
00:07.22XhoBut considering they're handmade in Japan it's going to be that expensive
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00:12.31Quark8Hello.
00:14.14MonetHi
00:17.01Wormy_~seen Cyrannian
00:17.01infobotcyrannian <562d6746@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.103.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 5d 5h 32m 40s ago, saying: '~punch OluapWorker'.
00:18.09DrodoEmpireSpeaking of which, has anyone been in contact with Cyrannian?
00:19.25The_RandomnessI haven't talked to him recently, but I can contact him through Steam or something
00:20.09MonetHe's not on Steam right now
00:20.14The_Randomnessyeah
00:20.17DrodoEmpireHm
00:20.42DrodoEmpireIts a bit concerning honestly. I know its a bit of an overreaction but still
00:21.10The_RandomnessHe's probably just been busy with school recently or something
00:21.17DrodoEmpireProbably.
00:27.13TekDroidO.o Our physics prof just snapped. People wouldn't stop talking so she just ended the lecture.
00:28.12MonetWas it mostly the back of the class?
00:28.21TekDroidNo.
00:28.36The_Randomnesswow
00:28.40TekDroidThere was also less than 5 minutes left in the lecture.
00:28.44TekDroidbrb
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00:33.55Tek0516People had been talking the whole lecture so when she got to the test review she basically just stopped it there and left without leaving time for questions.
00:38.46Monet"Screw it if you won't listen why bother with the last bit"?
00:38.52Monetkinda thing?
00:39.51Tek0516Pretty much. Most on the content is also on the website and one of the other profs for the course even posts videos of his lectures.
00:40.42MonetMaybe that's why?
00:43.34The_RandomnessHonestly that's extremely disrespectful of the class for behaving like that
00:43.59The_RandomnessOr rather, those students
00:52.20Quark8test
00:55.27Wormy_Tek:  That woman has no concept of rhetoric, or any ability to command her presence
00:56.02Wormy_Yes, her students were in the wrong, but storming out is the wrong message and a ridiculous thing to do
00:56.23Tek0516Yeah.
00:56.53Tek0516I don’t think most of the class has even understood what's she's teaching.
00:57.34Tek0516Doesn't help it's a large lecture hall and she uses no microphone.
00:58.13Wormy_Its also not fair to end the lecture so abruptly for students who *are* paying attention.
00:58.34Wormy_And do need a Q/A
00:59.23Wormy_When I was at University of Leicester, a lecturer might set us a question, say, a third way through to keep our minds on the subject.
00:59.55Wormy_There would be some element of interactivity, and a element of passion for their work
01:00.04Wormy_And that made it interesting
01:00.21Wormy_Even humour
01:00.30The_RandomnessMy current E&M teacher regularly asks us questions during lecture
01:01.26Wormy_Its terrible that uni students are behaving like that though
01:01.41The_RandomnessIndeed
01:02.09Wormy_Oh well, I assume in Canada they will be in debt, so its their money and time wasted
01:02.21Tek0516She has giant projector screens and instead uses the tiny chalkboard that's too dirty to even be visible from the back with no microphone.
01:03.04Wormy_The smart thing to do is to complain to student reps
01:03.49Wormy_That her style isn't engaging and clear, she is hard to hear, allows for no inreraction and its difficult to read her notes
01:06.31Wormy_goodbye
01:32.18DrodoEmpiretest
01:33.14Tek0516fail.
01:33.31Tek0516sends DrodoEmpire back to pre-school
01:35.49DrodoEmpirecompletely flips his shit and gives Tek a haymaker to the jaw, before flipping his desk and proceeding to batter through the channel, destroying anything in his wake with a baseball bat.
01:38.12Quark8how do you flip your shit?
01:39.00Tek0516hands Quark8 a shovel
01:39.31Quark8Oh
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01:47.38Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Organisations still some updating required but I did a rework
01:48.06MonetWait refresh.
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02:17.19Quark8hi
02:21.09DrodoEmpireHi
02:35.47Quark8night
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02:45.27Comrade_VinnyDammit, Imper isn't here
02:45.35Comrade_VinnyAnybody else here speaks russian?
02:48.28DrodoEmpireNah
03:59.18Comrade_VinnyA little poll guys http://strawpoll.me/3511299
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09:55.08GhelaeHello.
09:55.43OluapWorkerHi
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11:01.28AdmiralPandaHi all
11:03.40OluapWorkerohi
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12:55.10Wormy_Hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zlsCLukG9A
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13:15.22ArdokuHello? I was wandering if we could discuss my Un-grox concept?
13:15.49AdmiralPandaHi, and go for it
13:23.58ArdokuOk, so I've already put it up here: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Un-Grox
13:26.37ArdokuBasically, my thought process was to create basically the exact opposite of the Grox, except in a way that connected the two together. In a way, to create a good twin of the Grox. With that in mind, I decided that where as the Grox are all about machines, mechanical augmentations, and eradication of life which is not them, the Un-grox would instead be all organic tech, organic augmentations, and the preservation of all life.
13:28.07ArdokuHow ever, since I didn't want to interfere with pre-established events concerning the Grox, I made it so that they emerged before the Grox arose as a universal personification of evil, and then re-emerged after the main Grox were defeated.
13:30.35AdmiralPandaSo far I don't really see any problems, this is slightly nit-picking but "organic" doesn't mean alive, it means anything composed of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, phosphorus and a couple of early order metals
13:30.53AdmiralPandathat's just nitpicking on the tech to be clear
13:31.08AdmiralPandaso you could have "organic" technology that isn't alive, it's just comprised of those materials exclusively
13:32.42AdmiralPandaI don't really have anything else to contribute, everything seems fine at its current stage
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14:16.39AdmiralPandahi u
14:16.58Xhoohai
14:20.41AdmiralPandaI love how halfway through the development of a Druid character for D&D, the term "grapple" got replaced with "get kinky with"
14:21.00Xhowat
14:21.09XhoAnyway gotta brb since my audio interface is fucking up
14:21.12AdmiralPandaI don't even know how it happened, but it did
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14:21.57GhelaeHello.
14:22.45AdmiralPandahi
14:23.27AdmiralPandaI love how the basic summary of the Adeptus Mechanicus' policy is "They told us we couldn't make machine in the form of man, so we made man in the form of machine"
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14:32.15OluapWorkerspu
14:32.43Xhou
14:33.51OluapWorkerImperios ImpyDroid: Can you play this weekend?
14:33.59ImperiosI think so
14:34.23OluapWorkeru better
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14:46.26Xho"I wonder what quality of potato was used to record this"                   "I wonder of which prehistoric year you found that joke laying around in, not being used, because even back then it was considered old."                                "Cameron Burke Probably the same year I first fucked your mum"
14:46.47Xho1440 quickscope rekt
14:47.22OluapWorkerdoot doot
14:48.59AdmiralPandasee that's where I'd say "so you're desperate enough to get pity sex from someone so old they can't even be considered a cougar? gratis"
14:49.02AdmiralPandagrats*
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14:57.57OluapWorker~cuddle HachiCollege
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14:58.04HachiCollegeHai
14:58.05HachiCollege<3
14:58.11Xhoy u on irc at college get to work u
14:58.29OluapWorkery u not at home
14:59.05HachiCollegecuz work
14:59.16HachiCollegeI am staying behind to finish off some Photoshop work and an essay
14:59.20AdmiralPandaI see
15:03.19OluapWorkerget dese done so u can be availabul 4 me l8
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15:13.57odellImperios ImpyDroid: http://www.thelocal.se/20150128/ten-english-quirks-that-baffle-swedes
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15:26.05Wormy_hi
15:27.15GhelaeHello.
15:28.00Wormy_Ghelae:  David Deutsch is debating with Deepak Chopra O_o https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/560778477721636864
15:29.02Wormy_Chopra seems to spout baseless comments that don'ty mean anything
15:30.55HachiCollegeSo apparently a girl's father committed suicide after seeing her pose nude in Playboy magazine
15:31.05HachiCollegeShame really, especially considering the daughter is hot hur
15:31.17GhelaeWormy_: I don't know much about him, but AFAIK that's practically his modus operandi.
15:31.30AdmiralPandanot exactly like seeing her naked is a new experience
15:32.07OluapWorkerThat`s genuinely sad
15:32.11Wormy_The reason why I said it was after I watched him debate Richard Dawkins
15:32.51Wormy_When confronted by Dawkin's points he jumped into a mode of throwing phrases together
15:33.00AdmiralPandaoh it's genuinely sad, just there isn't much to be said when you don't know which part offended him
15:55.22Wormy_Here is an example https://twitter.com/DeepakChopra/status/560472015568904194
15:55.31Wormy_That is intellectually weak and dishonest
15:56.17Wormy_Science discovers thing about the objective world beyond our sense impressions, and contradict our intuitions and perceptions about reality.
15:57.58HachiCollege"Autoerotic asphyxiation, or masturbating while strangling yourself, is not a contemporary phenomenon. The practice dates back to the 1600s, when it was used as a treatment for erectile dysfunction."
15:58.22OluapWorkerWhat the fuck
15:59.12AdmiralPanda^, + were you doing that made you learn that
16:00.03HachiCollegeLooking through Facebook and read a Cracked article hur
16:00.13OluapWorkerLooking through Facebook
16:00.19OluapWorker\Shouldn`t you be doing an essay?
16:00.51HachiCollegeWell yes, I was taking a breather hur
16:09.32Technobliteratorugggggggh, I don't want to do my essay :(
16:10.10OluapWorkerdats a dam shame
16:12.17Technobliterator;_;
16:15.06HachiCollegeif u dunt do ur essay den u can do me
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16:16.43DrodoEmpireHi everyone
16:18.34GhelaeHello.
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16:26.39Xhohttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10943030_1167788849917233_4011719975297523584_n.jpg?oh=abce1742f8fc918aaefdaa1e24664f43&oe=552541AB
16:27.07OluapWorkerhur
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16:29.24OluapWorkerhttp://i.4cdn.org/v/1422546289593.png fiction
16:30.20XhoFunny because tru
16:30.46AdmiralPandanow need more death by grey goo
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16:40.34Wormy_Sends Clippy to aid HachiCollege and Technobliterator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUvcYP859fg
16:41.19Technobliterator._.
16:46.36HachiCollege;-;
16:49.24OluapWorkerpls dont bully clippy hes just doin his job
16:55.46Xho"I fist saw Clippy as I was typing something for my family's use. I thought, "Huh?" and continued typing. He popped up again. I then thought, "Aww! You're kind of cute." Then he introduced me to Hell."
16:56.27DrodoEmpirehur
16:57.06Wormy_I used to be frightened of Clippy
16:57.27Wormy_Or unnerved, rather
17:01.31Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf045VYP3z4#t=179 NIGGUH DAT SHIT B CRAY
17:02.39Wormy_shame the camera is anited so poorly
17:02.43Wormy_animated
17:11.54OluapWorkerhttp://i.4cdn.org/vg/1422526974656.gif have bunnies
17:12.32XhoI don't usually like rabbits but that's cute
17:12.39AdmiralPandaHachi if someone ever asks him out on a date
17:12.51XhoIt amazes me about Earth
17:13.08XhoWe have things as cute as floppy-eared bunnies and then things as scary as an angler fish
17:14.29OluapWorkerNature can be adorable and horrifying
17:14.51Wormy_Benevolent and cruel
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17:15.15Wormy_hi
17:15.35odellHey
17:15.48odellIt has been a very exhausting day today.
17:16.06GhelHello.
17:16.59odellBad stuff, worth to be mad about, happened today. I just don't have the energy to carry the venting out.
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17:17.51Wormy_awayHi
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17:22.04odellHow's today been?
17:23.15odellThe more I stare at a text. The feel of the language being alien and unknown grow inside me.
17:23.25odellThe more of the feel*
17:29.50Wormy_awayI've had that feeling.
17:30.14Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps/1776 Added a couple more things to Abyssus
17:30.43Wormy_awayDon't stare at words too deeply.
17:31.08XhoImperios: Gimme a name for Servius' fortress
17:31.20XhoGenerally along the lines of a Dark Elivsh feel to the name
17:32.21ImperiosKhazdriaelum
17:32.40XhoThat works
17:33.03OluapWorkerThratandrovan -> right next door to Khor and the Sable Hive
17:33.06odellSounds more like dorfy to me.
17:33.09OluapWorkerKebra`Oso - SLUMBA PARTY
17:33.14OluapWorkerOsos even
17:33.46XhoValentinianus - gtfo
17:34.44XhoEvery Shiarchon Praetor is in a way a lord of a part of Abyssus
17:34.59XhoSo Arcturus, Julianus and Servius have cities and palatial fortresses they rule over
17:35.16XhoSo I've added those three
17:35.22XhoValentinianus' was already added
17:35.53XhoNot too sure how many Praetors there are
17:36.02OluapWorker21
17:36.05Xhohur
17:36.14XhoIt's about 70 - 100 I think
17:37.25Ghel21 x 4 = 84, so if you can find a way to make 4 sacred to the Shiarchon...
17:37.58OluapWorkerShiarchon - 4 limbs            i got dis
17:38.21XhoKalarah - ur an idiot
17:38.32Xho84 is divisible by 7 of which 7 is the sacred number
17:39.18XhoSo 84 Praetors could work
17:39.39GhelAnything divisible by 21 is divisible by 7. And 3.
17:40.18XhoThe Praetors would often bring delegates/servants/whatever to sit in the Imperial Chamber so Kalarah's throne room would be pretty huge
17:40.50OluapWorkerXacutus - been dere                 needs more fire
17:41.01Wormy_away7 is a magical number
17:41.10XhoIf we're talking like 7 per (and including) Praetor it's large enough to house 588 Shiarchon plus Kalarah
17:41.45XhoKalarah's throne room is similar to a senatorial chamber
17:42.47XhoSo big room
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17:42.56MonetHello
17:43.02XhoHi
17:43.17XhoI've been tempted to try and make the Imperial Palace at Sangua Mons on Google Sketchup but the effort
17:43.20XhoThe goddamn effort
17:43.25TekDroidHello
17:43.28GhelHello.
17:46.25XhoI mean the front square to the palace itself is (how I imagine it) about 280m wide
17:46.40MonetWHat about a downsized version?
17:46.49XhoCould do but what's the fun in that hur
17:46.49MonetYou could easily scale it up later
17:47.37MonetWell with Sketchup the scale ratio doesn't really matter without representativefigures.
17:48.04MonetWithout a figure ot show a char could be made in metres but the model is then scaled down to centimetres
17:50.33OluapWorkerI ought to do something fiction-related, I feel like I`m starving for a new story
17:50.44XhoShroud of the Sun
17:50.51XhoThough that's quiet because well
17:50.53Xhoblah
17:50.56OluapWorkerWhich you never move on
17:51.10XhoI would but Hachi isn't here atm
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17:52.16AdmiralPandaOluapWorker: I would say get involved with my transhumanism plot but you live in borealis
17:52.38OluapWorkerwut u implyin
17:53.24OluapWorkerI have fiction outside of Borealis too
17:53.40OluapWorkerIn fact my main fiction is in the Milky Way despite everyone often forgetting that
17:54.03Xhocuz u galasci
17:58.57XhoSomething about Koldenwely
17:59.01XhoKodlenwelt even
17:59.24XhoIf I were to start a page on the Talmyr geographical region what part of Koldenwelt is it
17:59.34XhoPolar Lands or Western Forests
17:59.41OluapWorkerPolar
17:59.47Xhorite
17:59.54OluapWorkerpolor londs
18:00.07XhoDalmiric Human - frosto hoomon
18:00.11OluapWorkerActually let me check
18:00.24OluapWorkerTo the mapmobile
18:00.28AdmiralPandaOluapWorker: well all my stuff lives in Andromeda so dum :P
18:00.45XhoTalmyr sort of encompasses the two regions so I dunno what it really is
18:00.48OluapWorkerCan`t do then, Andromeda is kinda off limits to me now
18:01.32OluapWorkerWell, by the map, only a little bit of it is in the Polar Lands
18:01.43OluapWorkerMost of it is in the Forests and Continent 2.0
18:01.57OluapWorkerSo I`d say go for Forests
18:02.09Xhorite
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18:02.55HachimanHai
18:03.05OluapWorker~cuddle Hachiman
18:03.05infobotACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy
18:03.23Hachiman<3
18:03.31HachimanWell I was caught in the snow on my way back
18:03.46HachimanIt was not snow like proper snow but like wet snow
18:03.56OluapWorkerMeanwhile you could probably fry an egg in the street over here
18:04.10HachimanCan I fry you in the street
18:04.23OluapWorkerye
18:04.26OluapWorkerCurrently 34 C
18:04.43XhoFOK
18:04.52XhoIt's a wonderful 2 C here
18:05.45XhoSo the Siberian boreal forests can drop down to -55ºC
18:05.58OluapWorkerforest 2cold
18:06.00XhoTalmyr must get some shit winters then
18:06.26XhoProbably not as cold as -50
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18:06.41Xho-30 perhaps
18:07.06XhoThough technically the Talmyr region is part polar as well
18:07.15XhoSo yeah it could drop down to -50
18:07.35Xhofukin freezin
18:07.53OluapWorkerLindworm - welcome to cold hell i`ll be ur guide dis evening *dark breath*
18:08.18Hachimanhttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10940526_382576578569710_1277962510271705296_n.png?oh=7d17ef6ee81a3c1c59e0028bbb53f94c&oe=5568923F
18:08.49OluapWorkerThat makes me angry
18:09.19Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10943717_382576691903032_277893753076773075_n.jpg?oh=75c1dda5b2694ae36d833a7450f91506&oe=555B965F&__gda__=1431694020_3ed4e33924ce899f8548fe8f1ec476b3
18:09.59Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Talmyr kold
18:10.09OluapWorkerenwelt
18:10.09XhoThe top temperature is 12 C
18:10.29OluapWorkerMerovar - u lot r insane
18:10.38Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906470_10153642320975476_1160997393368041446_n.png?oh=38352cb5a6d216f5a63bffed68a35d63&oe=556346CC&__gda__=1432992153_4cdca11722f518b193cb37c5609beebc
18:10.48XhoDalmiric Human - maybe
18:11.10XhoThe Névari lands are even colder
18:11.27Xho-65ºC at its coldest perhaps
18:11.41XhoFrozen salamander sticks
18:12.09OluapWorkerMerovar - possibru
18:12.10Hachiman>-65ºC at coldest >Riad still walks around without a shirt on
18:12.13OluapWorkerimpossibru even
18:12.37OluapWorker12 C would be already physically painful for a Merovar
18:12.46XhoNéva - leathery blue skin               it helps lel
18:13.14XhoActually all Néva are well clothed in that cold
18:13.18OluapWorkerGoing lower than that would probably kill them instantly
18:13.55XhoThe Néva probably start feeling the cold at around -30
18:13.58HachimanSo apparently Barack and Michelle Obama visited Saudi Arabia and Michelle refused to wear a headscarf, causing something of a cultural outrage
18:14.26Wormy_awayYou know thats whats also awesome about Earth.  Yeah its not as hot as Venus or as cold as Mars, but any two points can vary between -90 and 60-100 degrees C (at ground temperature outside shade) that's a massive spectrum.
18:15.05OluapWorkerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet%3AKoldenwelt#Prehistoric_Age_.28Beginning_-_40.2C000_BNA.29 I don`t think anyone noticed but I filled this
18:15.24XhoHachiman: But they're black how does this work      #notracistatall
18:15.38XhoOluapWorker: gud nao moar
18:15.53OluapWorkeru didnt reed
18:16.01XhoI read it a few hours ago
18:16.29XhoI just didn't bring it up
18:16.36OluapWorkeru shuld
18:16.46OluapWorkerI need to know if I`m getting all the events right
18:16.51HachimanNice, pretty accurate to me
18:16.53XhoSeems right to me
18:17.18XhoI think now that I have a boreal forest under geographic control I can finally bring in bear people
18:17.22XhoBEAR PEOPLE
18:17.26OluapWorkerI have no idea what to put in the Orichalcum Age
18:17.30Hachimanhttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10857880_1571286516421751_1053476574655972505_n.jpg?oh=fd4f64738cf952ae14b94e778abda62a&oe=5521BA47
18:17.34OluapWorkerAs far as I can tell, nothing important happened there
18:17.45XhoMost of it was basically the Orichalcum Elves telling everyone to do things for them
18:17.55OluapWorkerdats not important
18:18.24XhoWell it did cause the Orichalcum Elf Imperium to crumble almost at one point
18:18.30XhoAkharav's influence mainly
18:19.14Xhohttp://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--KNVQ8bsw--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/19bqa870k8wb6jpg.jpg This is Earath in Talmyr
18:19.47OluapWorkerhur
18:20.00OluapWorkerThat`s at the hottest temperature possible
18:20.19XhoRiad - night father save you when winter comes
18:20.26Xho12 C is like the peak of summer
18:20.30OluapWorkerEarath - more like bye im off this dump
18:20.45XhoBlack Wave is set at the end of winter and it's probably about -15 C there
18:22.06XhoThen again -52 is mainly the polar parts of it at winter and at night
18:22.38XhoWinter in the boreal forests of Talmyr drops to about -30 probably
18:23.29XhoAnd now I can make bear people
18:23.31XhoBEAR PEOPEL
18:23.44OluapWorkershup
18:24.00XhoBOOR POOPLO
18:24.05XhoI'll shup now
18:27.36XhoI just realised
18:27.47XhoBears look similar to dogs
18:28.27HachimanAre you high
18:28.30AdmiralPandaI was gonna make a race of volibears at one point but then I gave up on RPs in general
18:28.46Xhohttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Medved_mzoo.jpg
18:28.59XhoTheir faces
18:29.06odellOh god ew. A cat was premused dead after being driven over and was buried in his owner's backyard. Five days later, the cat was actually alive all along.
18:29.15MonetXho: I can see it in the snout
18:30.05AdmiralPandawhen you really get down to it the only difference is the proportions
18:30.16OluapWorkerWell bears and dogs are both carniformes
18:30.23HachimanAre you all high
18:30.26OluapWorkerThey`re not that far away from each other
18:30.42OluapWorker*caniformes
18:31.01Hachimanhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Polar_Bear_-_Alaska.jpg This looks nothing like a dog to me
18:31.23Xhohttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Sitting_sun_bear.jpg
18:32.02AdmiralPandaHachiman: I'm not saying they look the same, I'm saying that the only functional difference between the two is the proportions of their body
18:32.17OluapWorkerDogs, bears, red pandas, skunks, badgers, raccoons and seals all belong to the same taxon suborder
18:32.28MonetHAchiman: No you're right...it looks like a realyl really fat wolf
18:33.23OluapWorkerRed pandas are <3
18:33.38AdmiralPandaall pandas are cute
18:33.43HachimanAye
18:33.52OluapWorkercept u
18:33.54AdmiralPandaespecially baby pandas rolling down hills
18:34.09AdmiralPandaOluapWorker: I'm not cute, I'm FABULOUS
18:34.25Hachimani call anb
18:34.27HachimanWhoops
18:34.31HachimanBy the way just in case anybody has any thoughts about it
18:34.33HachimanI am calling ant people
18:34.36XhoWell I got the body sorted
18:34.41XhoThe head's gonna be interesting
18:34.54AdmiralPandaHachiman: I cover your antennas in skunk emissions
18:34.56OluapWorkerBy that I mean you`re never gonna do it
18:35.00AdmiralPandayou people suicide nao
18:35.07OluapWorkeryou mean even
18:35.13XhoProbably not
18:35.21OluapWorkerI meant Hachi hur
18:35.24XhoI need some details on this head I think
18:35.32Xhostill dis gon b hard
18:35.46HachimanAlso somebody should probably make a race of anthro mantis shrimps
18:35.46HachimanOr that might be too OP, dunno
18:36.12AdmiralPandathey only really work the way they do because they're tiny
18:37.09OluapWorkerSomething is only OP if you make it OP
18:37.27XhoI go on to Google for looks for a bear head
18:37.31XhoI get http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/79/DoombringerOfFenrisPortrait.png/revision/latest?cb=20130305093118 this
18:37.40XhoGD that is not a bear
18:38.01Hachimanhttp://www.wherecoolthingshappen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/animalyoudontknow_wcth13_1.jpg Look at this dumb cunt
18:38.34OluapWorkerhur
18:38.44OluapWorkerHow did bear become Cerberus-like thingy
18:38.54Wormy_awayI must admit I think bears and dogs are alike.  There usaed to be a taxonomic family of "Bear Dogs" too
18:39.24AdmiralPandahttp://www.ardentlight.com/costa-rica/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/aluki.jpg I don't care that this thing is lethally toxic, I want to give it a tiny hat and a monocle
18:39.44OluapWorkerThose blue lines
18:39.50OluapWorkerThey actually bother my eyes a bit
18:39.59AdmiralPandathen it's working
18:40.07AdmiralPandathey're meant to make people stay the fuk away
18:40.44Wormy_awayoc - fuk ur all
18:42.11AdmiralPandaI love how the Pathfinder Kingdoms rules give the government the ability to establish an illegal black market
18:43.16Hachimanhttp://www.wherecoolthingshappen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/animalyoudontknow_wcth23.png "beep"
18:44.12OluapWorkerGoofy
18:45.15Hachimanhttp://r2-store.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/postimage/201409/24/8f25e8979a759e6a6c2f447b491c116b_650x.jpg "u fukn wot m8 ill rek u m8 i swer on me mum" "yo calm down fam"
18:45.51AdmiralPandaWhat's really funny is I can actually kinda imagine Khara founding her own settlement if not kingdom
18:46.13HachimanOh?
18:47.34AdmiralPandaShe has a pretty strong sense of right and wrong, wants to help/protect people, and she has at least a forceful enough personality to make some fairly potent adventurers follow her lead, so I imagine she could pull together a settlement in the interest of aiding and protecting the people within
18:48.10Wormy_awayI remember finding an image in a book where this diver met face to face with a giant lobster or similar creature.  It wasn't a crab.  Never been able to find out was that giant Crustacean was
18:48.26Wormy_awayIt was as big as the diver
18:48.46AdmiralPandaI mean sure she'd probably need everyone else to do the actual running of the place, but I reckon she could pull one together
18:49.34HachimanKhara - as long as deres fings dat need punchin im in charge            and  a lotta fings need punchin
18:50.06AdmiralPandaMirya - Yes dear now shup while I make the dirty peasants do what they're told
18:51.03OluapWorkerA village of gleerfully homicidal half-orc half-goblin children led by Khara and Gretchbite
18:51.47AdmiralPandaohgod
18:52.09AdmiralPandanow I'm kinda regretting mentioning the idea in public
18:53.28HachimanXho: https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1012985_215944225242634_6336592215455239653_n.jpg?oh=612fa479b95e0b37e98a28705cd3afdf&oe=556ED554
18:54.03Xhoexcellent
18:54.08XhoNow what to call these bear people
18:54.19OluapWorkerBeary Funny
18:54.19HachimanWinnies
18:54.43AdmiralPandaUrsine
18:55.01XhoWell something related to 'Ursa' was my original thouht
18:55.03AdmiralPandatwo jokes and a ripoff :P that's about the normal answer from the sporewiki crowd
18:55.03Xhothought
18:55.52HachimanWell what motif are they gonna follow
18:56.38Xhowat u meen by motif
18:56.45HachimanWell
18:56.59HachimanWhat would you compare them to in real life culturally
18:57.09AdmiralPandahuh, the kingdom rules also indirectly state how polygamous rulers work
18:57.14XhoHell I dunno
18:57.23XhoInuits I suppose
18:58.41XhoIf I use Inuktitut, 'bear' is 'aitqpuq'
18:59.15HachimanKârhursi (plural), Kârhursan (singular)
18:59.26Wormy_awayDoes anybody here dislike wub wub sounds in music?  I can be enjoying a track and wub wubz come in and I drop the track instantly.
18:59.32HachimanFrom Finnish "karhu" which means bear and, well, ursa hur
18:59.46XhoHm clever
19:00.01XhoI might change that just slightly though
19:00.02OluapWorkerSo they`re called
19:00.03OluapWorkerBear bear
19:00.14HachimanBear bears
19:00.15HachimanYes
19:00.16XhoWell the latin term for gorilla is 'Gorilla gorilla'
19:00.34OluapWorkerGORILLON
19:02.19HachimanI get reminded of the Girallon from Pathfinder
19:03.17XhoI'll change it to Kôrhusn for singular and Kôrhusnur for plural
19:03.24Xhotanks 4 input
19:03.35Hachiman<3
19:03.40AdmiralPandaprepares loading space for tank input
19:03.56AdmiralPandaneeds moar leman russ
19:04.11HachimanAdmiralPanda: What is this about preparing your mother for my wiener insertion
19:04.52AdmiralPandaI know that's a joke, but my mother is a lesbian, so even if you were serious good luck making that happen.
19:05.04Xhorekt
19:05.08Hachiman"My mother is a lesbian"
19:05.33AdmiralPandaYes, she realised such about 7 years ago when she met her current partner
19:05.35OluapWorkerhow were u born
19:05.54OluapWorkerOh I thought Hachi had said that
19:08.22XhoAaand
19:08.53HachimanSo apparently five exoplanets were discovered that are 80% as old as the universe and are thought to be the eldest planets recorded in current history
19:09.04HachimanDiscovered recently, that is
19:09.15GhelBetween 10.2 and 12.2 billion years old, last time I checked.
19:09.43HachimanThey are all rocky worlds however thus the probability of life is highly unlikely
19:10.07Xhodat star gon xplod
19:10.39XhoOnly 117 light years away as well
19:11.17Hachiman>only
19:11.39Wormy_awayAlso, I was fascinated by the discovery of a planet with a massive ring system, and the fact we could detect it
19:11.43GhelIt's an orange dwarf star, with another twenty billion or so years left in it.
19:11.47XhoIn the grand scheme of the universe 117 light years is minuscule
19:12.12Hachimanyeh but ur dik is even moar miniscule dan dat
19:12.14OluapWorkerits barely the distance between one side of ur mom`s belly to da other
19:12.29Hachiman;~;
19:12.30GhelAlso, last time I checked, Earth was a rocky planet, so that should make them more capable of having life.
19:12.34Wormy_awayhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31001936
19:12.35XhoEspecially in the Fictionverse where most empires make multi-million light year journeys as common as muck
19:13.18HachimanSomebody needs to go look for the Great Attractor in the Fictionverse already
19:13.22HachimanHachi preferably
19:13.33Hachimanbecuz hes da most likely one 2 get attracted 2 it
19:13.41OluapWorkeraka no one
19:14.27OluapWorkerI`m still starving for new fiction
19:15.10Wormy_awayI wonder what billions of years of evolution would look like in the future.  Yes I know the moon is receding and the Sun will expand giving complex life only a few hundred million, but metazoans and plants  only really appeared in last 500 megayears.  And who knows, maybe our descendants will change the sun, move Earth, or so on
19:15.38OluapWorkerXho Wormy_away: Would you be willing to continue the Fog War if I started it again?
19:16.07Wormy_awayIf we live in a multiverse those descendants already have altered the natural course.
19:16.11Wormy_awayYes
19:16.47HachimanI am hopeful that one day we shall remake ourselves in the image of the almighty octopus
19:16.49Wormy_awayI'm a much slower writer these days due to my work and projects
19:17.37Wormy_awayGeology has made me think how tiny a few hundred million years is lol
19:17.58XhoOluapWorker: Sí
19:18.04OluapWorkerrite
19:18.12AdmiralPandaNow that I think of it, since the ISF is practically everywhere we could make a side plot of the transhumanism plot
19:18.14Wormy_awayLife was around, though in a rather boring state, for billions of years before the evolution of animals and terrestrial plants
19:18.23OluapWorkerIn that case I`ll go back to it after I`m done with Angels of the Hunting Isle
19:18.35OluapWorkerAnd hopefully not stop halfway through again
19:18.50HachimanYEY
19:18.53HachimanWhoops caps
19:18.55XhoI take it that Bear People would be mammalian Theriocephali
19:19.10OluapWorkerOf course u eejit
19:19.12HachimanLacertilian
19:19.23Xhor u dum
19:19.33Hachimanu asked da dum question
19:19.40Xhou dunt hav to b dum
19:19.57OluapWorkerI have to figure out a plot for that fiction
19:20.04OluapWorkerI never did since it kinda died
19:20.16GhelWormy_away: Geology tells you how short a million years is, astronomy tells you how small a million light years is, and cosmology tells you to give up and go home.
19:20.17XhoKoluap goes on a hunt for the Greatest Bucket
19:20.45HachimanLittle does Koluap know
19:20.50OluapWorkerKoluap - guys  guys what if          hear me on this one              what if we              put lava in a bucket                 and throw it at the demon
19:20.55HachimanHe IS the Greatest Bucket
19:21.22Wormy_awayAnd if that wasn't enough, there is the possibility of multiverses and ensembles of abstract worlds
19:21.31TekDroidhttps://imgur.com/gallery/rnh1MEp This is very clever.
19:21.44OluapWorkerWell he did try it on Angazhar once so his obsession with lava buckets was canon
19:21.49OluapWorkerI guess that`s one thing I gotta reference
19:22.05XhoAngazhar - '''R U DUM'''
19:22.27OluapWorkerKoluap - ye but u is GET IN THE BUCKET
19:22.58XhoUh
19:22.59OluapWorkerI also have a problem regarding the Fog War
19:23.05XhoWhat kind of Mammal would a Bear person go under
19:23.08Wormy_awayActually, I've thought it over.  There must be an infinite number of everyone.  We are determined by the laws of physics and so it couldn't be otherwise.  Thus, there is no mystery to our existence
19:23.10OluapWorkerI don`t know how the good guys are supposed to beat the bad ones
19:23.13OluapWorkerXho: Carnivore
19:23.22XhoDeus Ex Plot
19:23.40OluapWorkerI don`t wanna have to use a Deus Ex Machina cause dats cheap
19:23.44Wormy_awayWe have always existed in some timeless, platonic and even multiversal sense.
19:23.47OluapWorkerThe original war had one and it sucked gorilla dong
19:23.58GhelOluapWorker: If Koluap is the Greatest Bucket, he can fill himself with lava and throw himself at the bad guys.
19:24.09OluapWorkerThat`s just silly
19:24.15OluapWorkerEven for Koluap`s standards
19:24.26GhelYou're right.
19:24.36AdmiralPandaThis is why Chekov
19:24.37GhelThere are far too may bad guys; it would be too time-consuming.
19:24.43Xhohttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/3/3d/KorhusnRaces.png/revision/latest?cb=20150129192412 BEAR PEOPLE
19:24.54OluapWorkerbeary gud
19:25.13HachimanOoh sweet
19:25.26OluapWorkerThe villains are too powerful compared to the heroes. The main protagonist is a regular mortal and the main antagonist is a demon god
19:27.37HachimanYou do not necessarily have to fight the main antagonist to win
19:27.51OluapWorkerYou do in this case
19:27.51XhoShu - shoo
19:28.06XhoThat was by far the worst joke I have ever done
19:28.08OluapWorkerNot killing Shu means he`ll just make more demons to throw at everyone
19:28.11XhoI'm gonna hide now
19:28.21HachimanBut he survives anyway
19:28.30OluapWorkerHe dies in the end
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19:35.11GhelIf the antagonist-protagonist power ratio is too high, then your options are either something happens that increases the power of the protagonists, or something happens that decreases the power of the antagonist.
19:35.41GhelWould either one of those be a more reasonable area to think about than the other?
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19:36.22OluapWorkerThe latter I guess
19:42.29GhelSo then, as far as I can see it (note that I'm not the best when it comes to creative thinking): either the antagonist has some kind of exploitable weakness, or something arises that gives the antagonist some kind of exploitable weakness.
19:43.40OluapWorkerI`ll have to think of something
19:44.24OluapWorkerEmpowering the protagonist is out of the question since Jerkon is not supposed to be a strong fighter
19:45.00GhelYeah; this is so vague it might not be helping, but I'm trying to include all options, which I hope is better than no options. And even this technically includes options that are out of the question: the latter category includes dei ex machina, for example.
19:45.24ImperiosWho mentioned lesbians
19:46.08OluapWorkerOh no you`re helping
19:46.31OluapWorkerDon`t worry about it. I`ll just have to figure out how to make it work
19:47.34HachimanWell doesn't Jerkon have friends/allies who are also powerful
19:48.01GhelIf you go for the something-gives-him-a-weakness option... if some powerful Essence-based demon-god-affecting device were to be discovered or invented, it could be woven into the plot, e.g. by attacks on the excavation site or research facility, making it more like a Chekov's gun than a deus ex machina.
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19:48.32OluapWorkerThat`s an idea
19:48.44TheImperiosOluapWorker: You're thinking of how to make the Corruptus a threat?
19:49.00OluapWorkerI`m thinking of how Jerkon & friends can kill Shu
19:49.04TheImperiosOh
19:49.25TheImperiosExploitable weakness is a possibility
19:49.35OluapWorkerHachiman: He does but since he`s the main protagonist he should at least contribute to it instead of letting them do it for him
19:49.52OluapWorkerThe original war was "revive Rhigeo and let him kill Shu for us", and that sucked
19:50.19TheImperiosOr perhaps the characters could merge with the Realm of Dreams and gain a portion of its powers
19:50.38OluapWorkerI don`t want to empower them though
19:50.42TheImperiosRight
19:50.54OluapWorkerIt doesn`t fit the characters
19:51.01OluapWorkerWhat I can do is depower Shu somehow
19:51.18TheImperiosDracos are scientists
19:51.33HachimanPerhaps you could have Jerkon use his smarts to find a way to counter/depower Shu
19:51.36OluapWorkerJerkon is not supposed to fight more than somewhat being able to shoot agun
19:52.20TheImperiosStudying a supernatural entity then somehow finding its weak point and then destroying it using this knowledge can work
19:52.22OluapWorkerSee that works fine in theory but the power difference is too immense
19:52.33Hachimanbrb dinner
19:52.42TheImperiosCould even set up a theme
19:53.12TheImperiosRationality prevailing over the supernatural
19:53.20OluapWorkerThat`s an idea
19:53.54OluapWorkerI`m planning to come back to the Fog War soon so you ought to get yourself involved too
19:55.03TheImperiosReplicating Dream Energy in a lab and then making superconcentrated Dream lava so that Koluap could throw a bucketload of it on Shu is a possibility
19:55.26OluapWorkerJesus christ
19:55.54OluapWorkerIt`s not something you can replicate but I suppose the Dracs could invent something with similar properties
19:56.08TheImperiosArtificial Thoi Themek?
19:56.16OluapWorkerYeah
19:57.02TheImperiosWorks for me
19:57.07OluapWorkerIt wouldn`t be as effective as the actual Essence but it would still cause a lot of pain on Corruptus demons
19:57.19OluapWorkerThe Indocs would probably still use it to this day
19:57.44TheImperiosYou could actually lampshade how crazy SporeWiki's setting is
19:58.29TheImperiosLike showing Dracogonarious scientists studying a Corruptus demon's body and then several characters noting just how strange it is to believe that everything can be rationally explained in a world full of supernatural
19:58.29OluapWorkerHow`d you mean?
19:58.44TheImperiosAnd then having Jerkon retort
19:58.58OluapWorkerJerkon - shit`s weird
20:00.49OluapWorkerAnyway gotta go home bai
20:16.03XhoTheImperios Hachiman: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a3/TalmyrRegionMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20150129201543 This is sorta what I consider to be the Talmyr region
20:16.21Hachimandats huge
20:16.21XhoNote most of it is centre is uninhabited
20:16.24TheImperiosThat's a lot
20:16.32TheImperiosOh so they're thinly spread
20:16.45XhoWell we haven't established a lot for the second continent so perhaps Talmyr is one of the regions
20:17.09XhoYeah there's only two notable civilisations that live in Talmyre
20:17.12XhoTalmyr*
20:17.18XhoThe Orayu and the Dalmiric Kingdom
20:17.29XhoIt's open to having a lot more in there
20:17.48HachimanI wanna set up a power or two in the southern part of the Western Continent
20:17.54Xhoset it up in dere u dunce
20:18.03Hachimanneed ideas first u fukwit
20:18.14HachimanWhat is the south supposed to be like again
20:18.21XhoBrazil
20:18.29HachimanAnd what is Brazil like
20:18.36XhoAmazon
20:18.48Xhou fukwit
20:19.02HachimanSo much of the south is jungle and rainforest then
20:19.08XhoNote that most of the Lindworms live in that region as well
20:19.11XhoYeah
20:19.19XhoTalmyr is not the safest region in the world
20:20.19XhoI think Oluap intends the Lindworms to live in that region anyway
20:20.25XhoTalmyr is basically Dark Magic Central
20:21.31XhoI mainly put the Orayu and Dalmiric Kingdom together because it sounded illogical to have the two in separate regions of their own
20:21.45XhoEspecially when they're fairly close together
20:22.17HachimanI was thinking that the south part of the WC once belonged to ancient reptilian Aztec satanist precursors who eventually either got fucked over, fucked themselves other, or both and now live underneath the continent, most of them regressed to pretty much tribal lifestyles in the shadow of their empire
20:22.32XhoShiarchon - heheheheh
20:23.52HachimanAnother idea I had for the south part of the WC was a macrohive of ant people that is divided into many smaller hives that pay fealty to one overruling hive
20:24.29XhoYou should make them crab people
20:24.31XhoCRAAAB PEOPLE
20:24.44Hachimancrabs in da amazon
20:25.02Hachimanhao
20:25.03XhoGreat band nae
20:25.04Xhoname
20:25.16Xhou touch urself at nite dats hao
20:34.39TheImperiosHachiman: We have enough precursors as it is, so I think ants are a better option
20:35.02XhoI've established that the world 'Tálmyr' is Dalmiric for 'forest'
20:35.18XhoAlthough Talmyr is a mix of a few environments
20:35.49XhoSo the Dalmiric Humans are basically 'Forest Humans'
20:35.57HachimanImperios: If there were no precursors on the WC then what would have existed there before we started coming up with shit
20:36.07XhoCaligaduro hur
20:36.12Hachimannon
20:36.18XhoNot even kidding it's probable
20:36.42XhoWell Caligaduro's presence was strong in the Talmyr region until it went to shit
20:40.10TheImperiosHachiman: ..True
20:41.23HachimanIt makes no sense for there not to be precursors
20:42.25AdmiralPandaWhat came before the precursors?
20:42.40GhelPreprecursors.
20:42.52XhoOr Anteprecursors
20:43.17AdmiralPandaMy point is, what says the races that exist aren't the races that will eventually be precursors to something else?
20:43.35HachimanBecause that is implying NOTHING existed on that CONTINENT before now
20:43.57AdmiralPandaSo what came before the precursors?
20:43.59HachimanAn entire CONTINENT and life just apparently springs up in the Old Age or something
20:45.23HachimanProbably older precursors, dunno
20:45.44XhoA 300,000 year old history
20:45.49XhoThere was probably a lot of precursors
20:47.42HachimanIf the Western Continent is younger than the Eastern Continent then I might understand better but otherwise it makes no sense
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20:48.29GhelHello.
20:48.32HachimanHai
20:48.39XhoHachiman: The Orayu have been on the Western Continent for at least 50,000 years
20:48.51AdmiralPandaI give up, my point was that if you go back far enough you either get evolution or spontaneous creation, either of which could explain why there wasn't any civilised life on the continent before these races
20:48.52OluapPlayerHi
20:49.15XhoAnd Kaicaiusarin's presence was there as well, so I'd guess the Western Continent is as old as the rest of Koldenwelt
20:49.27GhelWhile it's possible for a continent to be uninhabited by any civilisations, and there does have to be a first race - which I think is Panda's point - that's a long time for it to remain uninhabited when there were civilisations just across the water back in the Prehistoric Age.
20:49.35HachimanAnd I understand that point but it just does not sit right with me why an entire landmass would remain uncultivated with life until recent
20:50.14OluapPlayerWhat's going on
20:50.22XhoPrecursors on the Western Continent
20:50.31Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Talmyr Also I've done a bit of this
20:50.38HachimanBut no if people do not want precursors for the Western Continent even though that makes no sense then I won't make any
20:50.46XhoI don't mind
20:51.59OluapPlayerI guess the Lindworms kinda count as precursors
20:52.07OluapPlayerThey've been around since Siivhahzin died
20:52.42GhelHachi's specifically thinking about precursors for the southern part of the continent.
20:53.58TheImperiosWell TBH
20:54.40OluapPlayerOh god why is there tea in the juice jar
20:54.52TheImperiosNot every continent has to have an ancient advanced civlisation
20:54.53OluapPlayerThis makes no sense
20:55.05Xho[20:54] <@OluapPlayer> Oh god why is there tea in the juice jar                        Is that a euphemism
20:55.09Xhocuz dat strange
20:55.12HachimanRight so no precursors for Western Continent then
20:55.15OluapPlayerIt's not
20:55.17HachimanOkay
20:55.20OluapPlayerThere's tea in the juice jar
20:55.35XhoSo what's a juice jar because it certainly not a British thing
20:56.43OluapPlayerThink this http://www.p-wholesale.com/upimg/13/55a2/water-jar--jug-gs5316-160.jpg with tea inside
20:56.54MonetWe call that a pitcher
20:56.54Xhoeh
20:57.04XhoOh a pitcher that makes sense
20:57.05HachimanIt's called a pitcher?
20:57.11XhoTea pitcher
20:57.19Wormy_awayA bar that sells juice and nothing else was what I thought.  But then I thought, was it real juice, concentrated juice, or squash?
20:57.20MonetDat a lot of tea
20:57.20XhoA British person would hang draw and quarter the person responsible
20:57.33XhoTEA IS BLOOD
20:57.35XhoBLOOD IS TEA
20:57.43OluapPlayerRegarding precursors I think the West needs its share of them but not before the regions are specified
20:58.16Wormy_awayI would call that a jug :P
20:58.40HachimanSo absolutely NO civilisation present on the Western Continent until NOW were advanced, even though the Western Continent is probably as old as the Eastern one
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20:59.12Wormy_awayBut then my vocabulary is seldom posh.
20:59.22OluapPlayerThat makes no sense and makes the west bland in comparison to the east. It deserves to have its own history
20:59.32XhoYou're a northerner, saying posh is linguistically sacrilegious
20:59.42HachimanExactly, that is what I was saying
20:59.49HachimanBut nobody wants any more precursors it seems
21:00.08MonetAustrailia.
21:00.23XhoSesquipedalian loquaciousness is for the southerners
21:00.46GhelImp and Panda are the only two who have said anything against it.
21:01.09XhoI'm sorta neutral to it
21:01.10AdmiralPandaThe only thing I was against was the idea that there had to be a line of precursors going all the way back to the dawn of time
21:01.27XhoThe line of precursors is kind of odd on Koldenwelt
21:01.58OluapPlayerMind you, precursor doesn't have to mean "SUPA DUPA ADVANCED BIG DONG MAGIC"
21:02.08XhoI won't mention Orichalcum Elves because they're what Oluap just said
21:02.14OluapPlayerThere's no reason there couldn't be small but influential civs in the past
21:02.45GhelThere only need to be races on the western continent during the same times that there were precursors on the eastern one.
21:02.48XhoOluapPlayer: So I take it the Lindworms inhabit the Talmyr region then
21:02.58OluapPlayerSeems to be the case
21:03.07XhoFor how long so I can add it to the page
21:03.33OluapPlayerSince around 265,000 BNA
21:03.54HachimanUgh I have made myself look childish now
21:04.05HachimanSorry for bringing it up, I had no idea people disliked the idea
21:04.12XhoI'm kind of netural to it
21:04.34XhoIt's logical to have precursors but it's sort of ngh to call them precursors
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21:04.48HachimanWell if it comes before something else
21:04.49OluapPlayerWe call them something else then
21:04.51HachimanIt is a precursor
21:04.56XhoAncient dominant civilisation might work since there's a lot of precursors on Koldenwelt
21:04.57OluapPlayerLike ancient culture or whatever
21:05.02GhelI still don't see people disliking the idea.
21:05.31XhoWe can say that the Romans were the precursor civilisation to Britain and that was 2,000 years ago
21:05.44XhoImagine how many precursors have existed on Koldenwelt if we used the same principle
21:06.13XhoOf course we have elves that can live 2,000 years but the idea is that precursor isn't the right word to use
21:06.25HachimanWhy is it not
21:06.45XhoBecause Koldenweltian civilisation has been in full swing for 300,000 years or so
21:07.23HachimanSo it is wrong to call the Orichalcum Elves precursors then
21:07.31XhoI don't call them precursors
21:07.56XhoThere's likely been hundreds of precursor civilisations and thus the word precursor sounds a bit too common
21:08.09XhoIf we said Ancient Culture or something it stands out a bit more
21:08.22HachimanWe can literally use any other word and we would have the same problem
21:08.38XhoWell you can't knock it until you try it
21:11.16TechnobliteratorIs the problem that there's an entire continent with no ancient civilization as opposed to one with many civilizations?
21:11.21XhoAll I'm saying is I don't think we can apply common terminology to something that isn't particularly logical
21:12.11Technobliteratorwell, it's not completely unreasonable to have a continent without one; you could say that one continent simply did not have any races which formed civilization due to the surrounding environment and the evolution of creatures around it
21:12.30Technobliteratorthere could just be circumstances which prevented one from forming
21:12.37HachimanI'm just not going to bother
21:12.39GhelJo: the problem is with an entire continent remaining uninhabited when there's an inhabited continent just a short distance away across the water. Even if no races evolved there, colonisation should occur.
21:12.52TechnobliteratorRight
21:13.30GhelIt only takes one race out of many to build boats and found a colony. So it makes things more varied to just stick some ancient cultures (or precursors, if you prefer) on the western continent instead.
21:13.45HachimanPeople got up in arms about it, including myself, so there's no point to it plus I am probably going to be too busy or lazy to establish anything anyway
21:13.57HachimanLike the rest of my fiction
21:14.09TechnobliteratorBut that's only uninhabited by sentient creatures, it doesn't mean there was no life there
21:14.50XhoObviously needs some sleep or something
21:14.52TechnobliteratorI don't think it's completely unreasonable to say that there were no precursors, if that's the issue
21:14.57Technobliteratoryeah, I think he's tired
21:15.24XhoI'm not against the idea in theory
21:15.37XhoI mean the civilisation would be long dead and gone
21:15.56GhelI'm not sure if anyone is. It looked like people were just arguing "is it necessary?".
21:16.25TechnobliteratorI'm not against the idea. I just say that there's no obligation to fill this void, so going out of your way to try and fill it doesn't necessarily end well, if that's the only reason such a race would be created.
21:16.27XhoWell I imagine it's for aesthetics than the idea of being necessary
21:16.51XhoMost of my fiction is aesthetics and doesn't serve a purpose but to polish something half-relevant
21:17.00Technobliteratoragain, I think Hachi's just tired and worn out honestly, he's got shitloads of college work to do
21:17.23XhoNo disrespect to Hachi but college work can be managed no matter the workload
21:17.31TheImperiosHachiman: Here's a thing
21:17.34XhoHe's gone hur
21:17.35TheImperiosAn idea
21:17.37TheImperiosDammit
21:17.41TechnobliteratorThat is very easy to say when you're not at college. :P
21:17.44Xhoboy u like internet explorer
21:17.50GhelYou can still tell us the idea if you like.
21:17.50XhoI did college for two years
21:18.18Technobliterator"boy u like internet explorer"
21:18.20Technobliteratorrofl
21:18.34Wormy_awaylol
21:18.55Technobliteratorugggggggh, I wish I knew how to fucking structure this piece of shit essay
21:18.57Wormy_awayWell, college work ontop of everything else too you have to think about
21:19.06XhoTechnobliterator: Well what's it about
21:19.26XhoThere's not much to think about at 18 years old
21:19.27TechnobliteratorIt's for Music Technology, I have to write an essay explaining about my composition
21:19.42XhoTechnobliterator: erm I might be able to help
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21:19.52TechnobliteratorIt's meant to explain what I did and why I did everything for a couple questions
21:19.54Technobliteratorok so
21:20.08XhoMy musical knowledge doesn't traverse academically but I might be able to help
21:20.14odellPlaying as a Human outsider in Dwarf fortress' adventurer mode.
21:20.17Wormy_awayDepends what kind of life you are living, I guess.  Not age.  But i know what you mean.
21:20.19XhoDo they give you any criteria for the homework
21:20.20Technobliteratore. Effects and processing applied to the sounds used in composition:
21:20.25odellBeing 'attacked' by dingo men.
21:20.25Technobliteratorf. Describe MIDI editing or shaping used to musically enhance the piece:
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21:20.48Knight_AlienHello
21:20.52XhoHi
21:20.59Technobliteratorin these I'm meant to explain each of my recorded tracks, all the automation and shit
21:21.05AdmiralPandaThat just sounds like standard state-and-describe to me, what's the problem?
21:21.12XhoTechnobliterator: I suppose when you talk about things like that I'd go back to basic musical theory such as dynamics and timbre
21:21.53Wormy_awayThink of the relationships and build a hierachy to explain
21:22.04TechnobliteratorThe problem mostly stems from the fact that, if I'm describing one of my tracks, I have to describe it twice, once for each question, and it will end up cluttered as fuck
21:22.15TechnobliteratorAnd I don't really know how to explain, y'know, the actual music part :/
21:22.22TheImperiosSo... what did Hachi saY?
21:22.24XhoI don't really know what the parameters are for explaining composition in music and how liberal you can be with it
21:22.32Technobliteratorthis is for coursework, btw
21:22.50Technobliteratorit's Music Technology, so the questions are more about how I created each sound than how I wrote the piece
21:22.54XhoI mean if the music has intervalic properties then explain that
21:22.59XhoOh right
21:23.10TechnobliteratorAnd that's the part that confuses me
21:23.15XhoWell do you have the piece saved still
21:23.30XhoSo what kind of sounds did you use in it
21:23.30AdmiralPandaSo to put it in layman's terms, the knobs you turned to make the music sound the way it is?
21:23.49Technobliteratorhow the fuck do I explain how I wrote my piece and what each part represents if it's asking me something else :|
21:23.53Technobliteratorwell, I suppose so
21:24.02AdmiralPandaThen answer the question directly
21:24.07odellThere were 5 of them and I was alone. As a naked human with a copper dagger and spear. But the funny thing is, they just stood there and chatted with each other. While one of them stayed with them and remained aggressive against me. http://i.imgur.com/eiEILU5.png
21:24.19XhoIf it's music technology I guess you have to explain the software behind it and what you did to create such sounds
21:24.21AdmiralPandafrom what I see, segment E just asks for statements of what you did
21:24.27Technobliteratoryeah, it's basically asking how I created the desired sounds, but I'm confused because I have a distinct feeling that it should be asking me what I created my sounds for
21:24.38AdmiralPandaIf it doesn't ask you, it doesn't ask you
21:24.45XhoYeah
21:24.49Technobliteratorhm, alright
21:24.53AdmiralPandaunless it stated somewhere in the criteria that you have to justify the reasons at every step, you don't have to
21:25.01XhoSo if it's a snyth you used I guess that would be to do with equaliser and what kind of wave you used
21:25.07TechnobliteratorI'll just tackle it literally then, I guess
21:25.09Xholike sawtooth/sine or something else
21:25.10Technobliteratorthanks guys ^.^
21:25.17Wormy_awayodell:  Is that game just text something
21:25.30AdmiralPandanp, I came from science- we had to do experiments to justify the decisions we made in the actual experiments :P
21:26.10odellWormy_away: Yes. But text-based graphics too. I've also another screenshot, lemme upload it.
21:26.10XhoTechnobliterator: If you're going along those lines you might want to outline each element of what you used to create the piece
21:26.23XhoSuch as instruments and effects
21:26.53AdmiralPandaI think for one of my assignments I had to do four individual experiments just to determine one factor of the main experiment. That was fun
21:26.55XhoThen describe what kind of methods you used to manipulate the sound with the general tech jargon
21:27.07odellWormy_away: like this, http://i.imgur.com/AAfCYYe.png
21:27.15odellThe yellow 'd's are the dingomen.
21:27.35XhoI couldn't get my head around DF
21:27.48XhoI'm not patient enough to concentrate
21:28.16Wormy_awayodell:  How does a game like that have such powerful stories that you post up?
21:28.24AdmiralPandaXho: I'm into roguelikes and I couldn't get into it either, it's impenetrable
21:28.31odellDwarfs being dwarves.
21:28.38odellDrawves*
21:28.51Wormy_awayI'm sure its complex but it sounds like a more typical game
21:29.30AdmiralPandaThe main thing holding back DF is the fact that it's so inaccessible, only a niche few players are able to get into it at all
21:30.48odellI think I'm going to YOLO against these 5 dingomen.
21:31.24odellI haven't progressed so much as an Human Outsider though. I made a dumb start, starting at a human camp out in middle of nowhere.
21:31.33odellAnd that's how the giant lion comes in.
21:33.16odellMaybe they have a reason to not attack me.
21:34.01TekDroidI tried DF once but couldn't figure out the controls
21:34.48MonetI've managed to set up a few outposts myself.
21:35.24MonetThe greatest moment in any of my experiences is watching six wrestlers punch a cyclops to death.
21:36.13odellI personally think that DF isn't one of the ordinary games you usually hear of. http://i.imgur.com/ckWUCYb.png
21:36.17Wormy_awayBut there is no animation in it but ASCII-like text and symbols, right?
21:36.45MonetWormy_away: That's right
21:36.59MonetThere is great potential for imaginatio as a result
21:37.00Wormy_awayIs this a game that requires your...  Your i m a g i n a t i o n ?
21:37.11Wormy_awayI see]
21:37.13AdmiralPandaodell: That's because it's not. It's an impenetrable niche game that won't make it into general gaming in its current condition
21:37.54MonetThat story about the cyclops. While in the game it looked like six dwarves around a cyclops, I fondly imagined those dwarves were climbing all over him punching, kicking and biting
21:37.55Wormy_awayMonet, odell:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbPWe9U4uPU
21:37.59odellAh crap, mortal wound.
21:38.42Wormy_awayI hope they weren't biting.
21:39.20MonetXho: I'm looking on the list of bevereges on your random things page
21:39.33MonetThere's only one drink you or I didnt' create lol.
21:40.00odellWormy_away: They are punching me. All of my attacks are miss.
21:40.10XhoOur aliens are alcoholics
21:40.35odellOh he did bite.
21:41.37MonetXho: Draconis - That's not true. Did I ever tell you that...I love you...?
21:43.18Wormy_awayI have found an epic track.  I've heard one like it before but this is better
21:43.20odellHe ran away.
21:43.22odellThank god.
21:43.36Wormy_awayhttp://youtu.be/Ym8JjY4fy-M?t=9m35s
21:44.55MonetXho: Actually considering that it's rude ot turn down a draconis' offer of a blend bewed by their own house, you might be onto something.
21:45.08Monetits' considered rude*
21:45.20odellDead. My lung was heavily bruised, death through suffocation.
21:45.58odellThat was fun.
21:46.04Xhou ded
21:46.18XhoTechnobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUm12I7pZwk Check out this band
21:46.43odellXho: It's actually funnier to die in this game compared to Dark Souls.
21:46.45Technobliterator:o
21:46.53Technobliteratorthis is insane
21:46.55TechnobliteratorI love it
21:50.22odelldorf.exe crashed
21:52.59Wormy_awayThey're all bloody ded
21:53.59Xhohm
21:54.13XhoGood that work decided to pay me 90% of my salary this month
21:54.18XhoConsidering I've been off sick all month
21:55.25XhoGot to get up at stupid o'clock tomorrow though
21:55.39XhoHave to go off to the surgery so they can pump more blood outta me
21:56.33GhelI thought medicine was more advanced tha bloodletting in Southampton.
21:56.50Wormy_away^
21:56.55odellAdamanite exists as one of the thoughest material in this game. Behind the all-time leader stone only found in the circus.
21:57.11XhoWell
21:57.15XhoNo not really hur
21:57.24XhoI have to go for another blood test is all
21:57.47GhelThat makes more sense. :P
21:58.16Xhohttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1545717_10153064930817174_6300784899325596573_n.jpg?oh=b74ad0a39ecdd5c1a52fa3bf96d8170d&oe=555442B3 "Are you sure people won't read this wrong?"
21:58.30Wormy_awayMaybe the secret police are behind this.  To analyse and use Xho's blood.
21:58.38XhoFor what exactly
21:58.54XhoThe only thing I can offer them right now is viral infection
21:59.15Wormy_awayFor reasons we must never know.  And never even think of.  I should not be thinking this.
21:59.39XhoViral genocide to cull the overpopulation in the UK
21:59.41odellI read that sign as "Wanky Teapot"
21:59.47Xhoodell: Exactly
22:00.03odellGoddamn brits and their strong tea fetish.
22:00.11XhoTEA
22:00.14XhoTEA FOR THE GOD
22:00.23XhoI missed out 'TEA' there
22:00.30Wormy_awayWanky from where I come from means "weak"
22:00.46Xho#northerners
22:00.49Wormy_awayI canner abide southern wanky tea
22:01.04XhoI don't like tea personally
22:01.09XhoI'm more of a coffee person
22:01.17odellXho: Found my soulmate.
22:01.20Wormy_away*Ah canner abide
22:01.23MonetXho: You are dead to us
22:01.45XhoThat there is the difference between Scandinavia and Britain
22:01.49odellMonet: Over my deay body.
22:01.53XhoIn the span of 60 seconds
22:02.16MonetHow dare you declare, as a man of the kingdom of England, that you don't like tea!
22:02.33XhoI'm only half-English mind you
22:02.35odellIt's called: Anarchy.
22:02.41XhoEthnically speaking anyway
22:02.48Wormy_awaytem tea how = pour tea out
22:03.40Wormy_away"Anarchy in the... UK!"
22:03.48odellDo it like the Americans: Lit the tea on fire and dump it into the bottom of the sea-.
22:03.57Wormy_awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbmWs6Jf5dc
22:04.06XhoTea is really odd in the USA
22:04.27XhoA British person asks for Tea in the USA -> cashier/bartender gives you a weird look
22:04.59Wormy_awayAnd then they go onto to pour you some dumb fruit or herbal tea
22:05.04Xhohur
22:05.13Wormy_awayOr they dip the tea bag for a few seconds
22:05.18XhoI think there is definitely a linguistic barrier between the English and Americans
22:05.27Wormy_away"Gnats piss" as they say up here
22:05.29XhoSpoken anyway
22:05.43XhoAs well as a linguistic barrier between the Northerners and Southerners
22:06.00XhoI can't think of any southern sayings apart from that the northerners are inbred
22:06.24Wormy_awayI'm actually slowing down my tea intake, I'm having 6+ big cups of well brewed tea a day
22:06.54Wormy_awayIts making me constantly tired, irritable and giving me a racing heart rate
22:06.57odellI barely drink 1 cup of coffee per month.
22:07.01Wormy_awayThat or I might be dying
22:07.14XhoYou might have a virus
22:07.58odellIt seems like everybody are getting health problems.
22:08.05odelleverybody.
22:08.14Wormy_awayUgh, I've had two bad infections since late December already
22:08.22Wormy_awayodell: age
22:08.39Wormy_awayNot hosptal level but close
22:08.39Xho"Age"
22:08.42XhoWe're both 20
22:08.50odellWormy_away: Even we are young. Some of us have irritable health problems.
22:08.52MonetXho: I heard one from a comedian ages ago that northerners abandon the second half of "the"
22:08.56Wormy_awayOne night I was struggling to breathe
22:08.57Xhot'
22:09.10XhoI've heard of that one
22:09.14Xho"Going off t' pub"
22:09.17odellMy turkish classmate has got runny nose. Which he had all of the time ever since many months ago.
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22:10.06Monet"Going off t' pub" > Dum Northeners y u fail at grammar
22:11.13GhelI can't imagine "t'" in anything other than a thick Yorkshire accent.
22:11.48MonetXho: If you want a good source of insults to northerners watch Tim Vine on Not Going Out.
22:11.58GhelSo much so, even reading that sentence after posting it, I imagine myself with a Yorkshire accent saying it.
22:12.02odellWhile I got acne problem, pimples growing everywhere on my upper body and head, with exception of my hair. And then now my friends and the school nurse say that my nose sounds clogged even all clear.
22:12.30Xhoew
22:12.55odellAnd now I have this mysterious dry skin patch growing on back of my leg.
22:13.10MonetI think it's Yorkshire and above where you just have "t' "
22:13.48GhelAnd I'm now imagining Monet with a Yorkshire accent.
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22:14.03ImpyDroidI think Monet has an RP accemt
22:14.03Wormy_awayI'll leave it to you to guess
22:14.05ImpyDroid*accemt
22:14.09ImpyDroid*accent
22:14.34MonetI'm half-northern yes
22:14.44ImpyDroidYou were raised in Oxfordshire weren't you?
22:14.49MonetI was
22:15.03Wormy_awayodell:  Does "bogger" mean anything to you?
22:15.05MonetI think I do have an RP accent
22:15.21Wormy_awaySome Northern English words are Scandavian descended
22:15.25XhoWell I just saw a picture with the caption "Don't wear rings in industrial construction.", proceeds to be a man's hand with his left ring finger skinned to the bone
22:15.26odellWormy_away: Why wouldn't it?
22:15.43Wormy_away*Scandanavian
22:16.05MonetMy dad's spent so long in the south he doesn't have a Yorkshire accent like his mother, father or brothers
22:16.19XhoAnd in the background the peeled sheath that was the skin on his finger
22:16.29XhoAnd remaining flesh by the looks of it
22:16.51odellEven if I squeeze all of the air my lungs capable of through the nose. It sounds more like toned down vaccumer on reserve.
22:17.37odellBasically. The generic sound of wind blowing.
22:18.20Wormy_awaySupwiye?
22:19.18Wormy_away"wassock" is the best insult
22:19.58Wormy_awayPronounced "wazzerk"
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22:20.07GhelHello.
22:20.11Wormy_awayhi
22:21.11MonetImpyDroid: I just remembered you've heard my voice befor
22:21.36odellThe best way to insult Stockholmers is to joke about how well they preform during winter.
22:22.30odellThrust me, they are terrible on taking care of the snow.
22:22.52MonetI remember one time coming back from Yorkshire and my dad joked that we could tell we wer eback in the south because we drove past someone driving while on their mobile.
22:23.03odellOnce a snowflake lands on the concrete sidewalk. The whole city goes full panic mode and every citizen faint.
22:24.23Wormy_awayBut you are big strong Nords!
22:25.47odellYou are no longer a nord when you live inside a busy city like New York.
22:26.29MonetI think that's why Northerners call southerners soft: Mild winters, little snow, and we al llive in big cities.
22:26.37odellFor they drive around in ridicously low cars. Drives buses and trains only suitable for warm climates.
22:27.51Wormy_awayMonet:  Don't forget the fact that we supply the goods, the wool, the meat, the coal, the limestone, the lead.  And the cotton.
22:28.05Wormy_awayBetween between 1700 and 1970 anyway
22:28.21odellCentral and Southern parts of Sweden, with exception of the Baltic coast on the east side of Scania and up to Stockholm, are terrible on taking care of the snow.
22:28.41Wormy_awayAnd how could I foreget Sheffield steel?
22:28.58odellI don't know about Öland and Gotland though. But they never complain.
22:29.57Wormy_awayMonet:  We laugh that you southerners get taxed for using water and panic when its Summer.  We have all the water we can get
22:30.34odell>water tax
22:30.39odellbitch please
22:30.54odellGroundwater masterrace
22:31.08Wormy_away^
22:32.01odellThe water distributed by the city where I live smells weird and has a shitty taste of metal.
22:32.20Wormy_awayIt was northerners running this country all along.  We dug into the lifeforce of this island.  And yet you southerners still insult us
22:32.25odellSo I drink bottled mineral water and milk instead.
22:33.18odellAnd oh. Bombard myself with parfyme and decorant. Like I've some germphobia.
22:33.50MonetNortherners may provide the raw materials, but we sotherners turn it into the lifeblood of capitalism.
22:33.51Wormy_awayImagine all the moulds and bacteria that grow in taps
22:35.45GhelI'm going to go now. Bye!
22:35.51Liquid_InkBye!
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22:36.30odellWormy_away: Fuck you. I don't want to wash my hands, my cutlery and my body anymore with the filth.
22:37.47Wormy_awayOwd yer sweat.  Dunna wittle abaht taps
22:38.04odellfills a used glass with water from his own dorm tap and pours it upon Wormy*
22:40.30Wormy_awayya daft bogger
22:42.35Wormy_awayIts only watter
22:42.56Wormy_awayshould stop speaking in dialect to foreigners
22:43.23odellGust wait for wit!
23:28.32Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/6q2xVOt
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23:32.49Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/3lmPYLF
23:36.31Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/0XBEO
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