| 00:00.37 | odell | FUCK |
| 00:00.41 | odell | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK |
| 00:00.46 | Vincent20100 | 'Merica! |
| 00:01.08 | odell | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU SPORE |
| 00:01.19 | TheBindingOfLol | Hello |
| 00:02.22 | TheBindingOfLol | anyone want to see a creature i made? |
| 00:04.15 | Vincent20100 | Sure :) |
| 00:04.39 | *** join/#sporewiki odell (~dromlexer@unaffiliated/drom) |
| 00:04.43 | odell | FUCK THIS WORLD |
| 00:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 00:07.33 | odell | WHY IS CHROME ALWAYS A FUCKING HASSLE |
| 00:07.46 | TekDroid | I think I'm winning this game. >.> http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/550895166100823489/BFC55932213A52D5F1E3601AED2BEE77A2865D7C/ |
| 00:09.03 | Vincent20100 | I usually say "Screw you" at one ting in Demo 3 |
| 00:09.10 | TekDroid | Also, that's shortly after a market crash. :P |
| 00:09.17 | Vincent20100 | Usually Heatlh (Asthma) or Pollution |
| 00:09.22 | TheBindingOfLol | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=363826552 |
| 00:09.33 | Vincent20100 | Can't win every battles :p |
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| 00:10.45 | Hachiman | Right the consensus is had |
| 00:10.49 | Hachiman | Lets remove the blogs |
| 00:11.05 | TekDroid | I would hardly call it consensus. |
| 00:11.14 | DrodoEmpire | Its a consensus. |
| 00:11.31 | DrodoEmpire | Basically everyone who cares to weigh in has; EVen I support their removal. |
| 00:11.34 | DrodoEmpire | *Even |
| 00:12.11 | DrodoEmpire | Five support, two oppose, one is neutral by my count |
| 00:12.31 | DrodoEmpire | I say a timer or deadline is put for anyone else who wants to make a last-minute statement |
| 00:13.07 | Hachiman | Give blog nuts a few days to decide which blogs they want archived as well |
| 00:13.16 | Vincent20100 | Pretty good Binding :,) |
| 00:13.20 | Hachiman | None of mine are getting archived so |
| 00:14.05 | odell | christ, this game is 23.7 GB big |
| 00:14.09 | DrodoEmpire | o.o |
| 00:15.32 | Charles_Murray | Wait, I'm actually a little confused. |
| 00:15.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 00:16.12 | Charles_Murray | I remember a few times past that a strong argument was made that the wiki is not a democracy, and that polls shouldn't matter? |
| 00:16.33 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a *voting* democracy, but that doesn't mean we don't discuss issues |
| 00:16.34 | Charles_Murray | And the majority opinion was overruled because it was judged that the minority opinion was more valid. |
| 00:16.34 | Hachiman | Well |
| 00:16.41 | odell | Democracy is futile though. |
| 00:16.56 | Hachiman | The consensus was not going to influence the decision in a major way |
| 00:17.08 | DrodoEmpire | Not necessarily in such a small community. But its not the way things work here anyhow |
| 00:17.08 | Hachiman | Either way it was probable the blogs would be deleted |
| 00:17.13 | Charles_Murray | [16:10] <Hachiman> Right the consensus is had [16:10] <Hachiman> Lets remove the blogs |
| 00:17.23 | Hachiman | Everybody has had a say |
| 00:17.26 | Hachiman | Well |
| 00:17.27 | DrodoEmpire | There's more support for its removal at this point |
| 00:17.31 | Charles_Murray | That's a very clear IF consensus, THEN removal. |
| 00:17.32 | DrodoEmpire | Just counting the votes |
| 00:17.34 | Hachiman | No the majority of people had |
| 00:18.07 | DrodoEmpire | The majority *is* against you and your arguments, while good, hardly mop the floor with Tech. I agree with her more on this matter. |
| 00:18.08 | Hachiman | Basically all the consensus would have done was either slow or speed up the process |
| 00:18.11 | DrodoEmpire | *with tech's |
| 00:18.29 | Hachiman | It was a gathering of opinions, not a vote |
| 00:19.08 | Hachiman | Jo and the administrators are aware of what they are doing and how to maintain the wiki |
| 00:19.32 | DrodoEmpire | I know. But the thing is that the facts are against him in both ways; The majority of people disagree with Charles and his arguments, at least in my eyes, aren't holding enough water to be convincing. |
| 00:19.42 | DrodoEmpire | I'm agreeing with you |
| 00:19.57 | Hachiman | Yeah I was making it clear to Charles |
| 00:20.00 | DrodoEmpire | Alright |
| 00:20.30 | Hachiman | The hardware matters of the wiki matter more than the community that uses it unfortunately |
| 00:20.37 | Hachiman | Well |
| 00:20.43 | Hachiman | No not unfortunately |
| 00:21.12 | Hachiman | They're both significant in their own way |
| 00:21.13 | Charles_Murray | Shouldn't we decide whether they matter, though? The wiki is just a bunch of ones and zeros on a server somewhere. What does it mean without a community? |
| 00:21.39 | Hachiman | The wiki is a workplace |
| 00:21.43 | Hachiman | Not a social site |
| 00:22.01 | Hachiman | And at this point it's a shitty workplace because no mainspace edits are being made |
| 00:22.10 | TekDroid | Do blogs really harm the hardware of the wiki though? |
| 00:22.25 | Hachiman | It is not a matter if they cause harm or not |
| 00:22.42 | DrodoEmpire | Not to interrupt, but there isn't much being added to Spore; What is there to add besides maintenance to the mainspace? |
| 00:22.51 | DrodoEmpire | Of course there are a few things I guess |
| 00:22.55 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing major though |
| 00:22.56 | Hachiman | But by technicality yes they do because they are redundant and they take up memory that can be used for more relevant matters and functions |
| 00:23.21 | DrodoEmpire | They're redundant and all of the functions that a blog does a forum can do better. |
| 00:23.29 | DrodoEmpire | That's how |I see it |
| 00:23.35 | Hachiman | The common misconception is that the mainspace was completed some time ago when it has actually been incomplete even now |
| 00:23.43 | Charles_Murray | Do we have limited memory, though? |
| 00:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | I see |
| 00:24.05 | Hachiman | Why waste memory whether it is limited or not |
| 00:24.37 | Hachiman | We already guaranteed that your most important blogs are getting archived |
| 00:24.58 | Hachiman | That is honestly a gift of generosity when you can simply move the content to a user subpage |
| 00:26.26 | odell | Monobook best layout. |
| 00:27.15 | odell | But it, however, screwed up by the Wikia-default css. |
| 00:29.57 | odell | Ever since 100% of the content is friendly to the wikia layout. I see no point using the vanilla layout: Monobook. |
| 00:30.35 | odell | Also, the monobook ditches the blogs. |
| 00:30.36 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:192916 - This guy's got the right idea. |
| 00:30.49 | DrodoEmpire | Space Engine's a great game to get pictures of planets |
| 00:31.18 | TekDroid | Indeed. |
| 00:34.16 | TekDroid | One thing I've been meaning to do is trying to find roughly the position of Katar in it. |
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| 00:44.15 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 00:44.22 | Vincent20100 | Hey Wormy! |
| 00:44.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hey Wormy |
| 00:45.20 | DrodoEmpire | http://en.spaceengine.org/ - Wormy, ever hear of SpaceEngine? |
| 00:48.24 | Wormy_ | Seen you guys talking about it |
| 00:48.29 | Wormy_ | It looks good |
| 00:50.45 | Vincent20100 | Trying to find a green-ish planet ffor Santiago de Cristobal |
| 00:52.46 | DrodoEmpire | Good luck. :P Not many with life, though there's a few bookmarks in the game |
| 00:52.52 | DrodoEmpire | For some really nice planets |
| 00:53.07 | DrodoEmpire | I'd check those out first |
| 00:53.07 | Vincent20100 | Maybe a green-ish atmosphere |
| 00:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:53.21 | DrodoEmpire | I saw a moon with that; It was pretty cool. |
| 00:53.35 | DrodoEmpire | Especially being on the surface and seeing its gas giant loom over the skyline |
| 00:54.04 | Vincent20100 | Could I see screenshots? |
| 00:54.15 | Wormy_ | Drodo: Remember Infinity? I'm reminded most of that |
| 00:54.34 | Wormy_ | https://www.inovaestudios.com/ |
| 00:54.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh yeah I remember that |
| 00:54.43 | DrodoEmpire | How's development on that? |
| 00:54.47 | Wormy_ | The thing they promise every year but all we get is an announcement |
| 00:55.07 | Wormy_ | They were supposed to release a demo this year |
| 00:55.17 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah. :\ |
| 00:55.34 | Vincent20100 | Dammit, my pc don't want to install SE |
| 00:55.43 | Wormy_ | http://inovaekeith.blogspot.co.uk/ |
| 00:55.57 | Wormy_ | They've got a new blog at least |
| 00:56.39 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9KpK1Ua-Q&list=UUNEHBrhTUN4P_ZxIy29DNQw |
| 00:56.51 | Wormy_ | SO GORGEOUS |
| 00:57.43 | DrodoEmpire | It looks absolutely incredible |
| 00:59.07 | Vincent20100 | DrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Santiago_de_Cristobal_from_orbit.png |
| 01:00.51 | DrodoEmpire | Ooh, nice |
| 01:00.52 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 01:00.58 | DrodoEmpire | Trying to get it to start |
| 01:01.00 | DrodoEmpire | It won't |
| 01:01.11 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe because I changed the directory to which it installed? |
| 01:05.26 | TekDroid | O.o I just got re-elected with 98% of the vote in Democracy 3. |
| 01:05.44 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 01:13.52 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 01:36.54 | TekDroid | The Global Economy in this game has sat at the minimum for a while now. Meanwhile I have a massive surplus. XD |
| 01:41.20 | DrodoEmpire | Nice |
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| 02:04.06 | TekDroid | ...damnit I forgot to remove the term limit. >.| |
| 02:04.10 | TekDroid | *>.< |
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| 02:24.14 | TheBindingOfLol | Hey Drodo |
| 02:24.41 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 02:29.43 | TekDroid | I turned America into a police state before being overthrown by communists. XD |
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| 02:32.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | Back. |
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| 02:49.10 | TekDroid | Wierd fact: The Isreal and Palestine populations are on different timezones despite living in the same area. O.o |
| 02:50.04 | DrodoEmpire_ | Huh. |
| 03:38.16 | TekDroid | For some reason my ship placement seem to ne broken in space engine. |
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| 03:58.15 | DrodoEmpire_ | ...Why in the blue fuck is there an ad in Japanese, and an ad for lube on this Sporewiki page I'm on? XD |
| 04:10.31 | TekDroid | O.O |
| 04:12.01 | TekDroid | ...damnit. I found an almost perfect fit for the Farengeto system in Space Engine and I lost it... |
| 04:12.11 | DrodoEmpire_ | You can't make this shit up. XD Maybe we should take a good look at exactly *what* ads go on here; I don't think an ad for sex lube is exactly kid-friendly. |
| 04:13.32 | TekDroid | Habitable planet that fits with a bit of tweaking, brown dwarf as a second star... this had everything I needed, roughly near the Katar Sector, and I lost it to a crash. D: |
| 04:14.42 | DrodoEmpire_ | Fuuck |
| 04:14.49 | DrodoEmpire_ | DId you bookmark it or anything? |
| 04:14.50 | DrodoEmpire_ | Wait |
| 04:15.03 | DrodoEmpire_ | I think you spawn where you last where when you boot it back up |
| 04:15.14 | TekDroid | *runs a search from where he loaded* |
| 04:15.34 | TekDroid | *finds star matching everything* |
| 04:15.39 | DrodoEmpire_ | lol |
| 04:15.47 | TekDroid | ... O.O *heart skips a beat* |
| 04:16.44 | TekDroid | RS 8409-2285-5-7164-41. a.k.a. the Farengeto System. XD |
| 04:17.58 | TekDroid | You can fimd it in your game too Drodo, just search for that. ;) |
| 04:19.26 | DrodoEmpire_ | Okay |
| 04:20.07 | TekDroid | I'm tweaking one planet a bit though, so I can make it Farengeto-friendly. :P |
| 04:21.10 | TekDroid | Only problem is it doesn't match the Farengeto year, but if I could always have theor calendar based on arbitrary units rather than unreliable orbits. XD |
| 04:23.56 | DrodoEmpire_ | Ah |
| 04:40.58 | DrodoEmpire_ | Hey there |
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| 04:57.55 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 05:40.38 | TekDroid | Well I've found a Space Engine system for 3 of the main Farengeto races and Farengeto itself. XD |
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| 05:52.27 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 06:14.05 | TekDroid | So just by looking for stars within a specific range of a specific nebula space engine gave me a whole list of workable systems. XD |
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| 07:27.21 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 08:44.08 | Liquid_Ink | Hello! |
| 08:47.07 | dino_ | Liquid! |
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| 09:21.39 | dino_ | Rambo Command HeadQuarters |
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| 11:28.56 | AdmiralPanda | Hi all |
| 11:29.29 | dino_ | helo |
| 11:31.57 | OluapPlayer | ohi |
| 11:35.14 | dino_ | :P |
| 11:38.45 | AdmiralPanda | oh god, my mum bought a carton of really fancy ice cream but it tastes like shit- keep in mind this is a $10 litre tub when we could have bought a 4L tub of better ice cream for half that |
| 11:40.11 | dino_ | ow |
| 11:40.13 | dino_ | auch |
| 11:40.38 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 11:50.12 | dino_ | How areyou dojg Oluap! |
| 11:54.57 | OluapPlayer | I've been better |
| 12:05.27 | dino_ | oh? |
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| 12:40.58 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 12:41.21 | Xho | u |
| 12:42.22 | Xho | OluapPlayer: I found another use for my Thunder Drake model so you can make Thunder Drakes |
| 12:43.10 | OluapPlayer | And what's that |
| 12:43.29 | Xho | Pavor Drakes |
| 12:43.57 | OluapPlayer | Alright that's good |
| 12:44.09 | OluapPlayer | I still need a history before I can make anything though |
| 12:44.40 | Xho | rite |
| 12:44.56 | Xho | I've thought of an idea for denizens for Hypocrite's Rest |
| 12:45.25 | OluapPlayer | Coin Drakes |
| 12:45.33 | Xho | hur |
| 12:45.51 | Xho | Actually they're just demons who take on the form of Koldenweltians to search the planet for items that Asv-Aldz might consider valuable |
| 12:46.38 | OluapPlayer | Sounds fitting |
| 12:53.16 | dino_ | bye bye |
| 12:53.22 | Xho | Bye |
| 13:18.41 | Xho | I think I'm gonna make Asv-Aldz look a little more alien |
| 13:19.02 | OluapPlayer | ur an alien |
| 13:19.12 | Xho | yee |
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| 13:30.20 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:31.32 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
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| 13:35.51 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 13:36.34 | OfficerJackal | Hello! :) |
| 13:38.18 | AdmiralPanda | Hai buniman |
| 13:39.06 | OluapPlayer | ew go away |
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| 13:39.43 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:41.03 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:45.38 | Xho | Well this Asv-Aldz certainly doesn't look like a pushover |
| 13:46.18 | OluapPlayer | Asv-Aldz - i wish |
| 13:48.03 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141228134728/spore/images/d/dd/AsvAldz2015.png dere |
| 13:48.49 | Hachiman | Looks pretty damn mighty |
| 13:49.14 | Xho | Asv-Aldz - god of gold mucho goldo |
| 13:50.09 | OluapPlayer | Pelagrios - i richer |
| 13:51.58 | Xho | Asv-Aldz - well i never |
| 13:57.55 | Xho | Poor old Harstag being the only non-abominable one |
| 13:58.08 | Xho | And Nalashtannylor technically as well |
| 13:59.54 | OluapPlayer | And Mortium |
| 14:00.32 | Xho | Sure if you think Death isn't abominable hur |
| 14:00.50 | Xho | In terms of appearance I'm mostly on about |
| 14:00.59 | Hachiman | Death isn't that abominable |
| 14:01.16 | Xho | Kinmo - phoenix powa get rek'd deth |
| 14:01.20 | OluapPlayer | It's a skeleton with a cloak |
| 14:01.27 | OluapPlayer | Not that abominable appearance-wise |
| 14:01.40 | Xho | Fair enough I suppose |
| 14:01.42 | Hachiman | Just spooky |
| 14:01.55 | Xho | I guess there's a bit of difference between Mortium and Kaicaiusarin |
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| 14:02.09 | Xho | Or any other Simulacra that's not those three |
| 14:03.59 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 14:05.15 | OluapPlayer | ew go away |
| 14:06.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 14:17.55 | *** topic/#sporewiki by Technobliterator -> SporeWiki! http://spore.wikia.com || Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/ || Collaborative Universes: Sci-Fi http://tinyurl.com/3ddvp7q Fantasy http://tinyurl.com/p9qau7l || Roleplay subchannels: #sporewiki-rp1 and #sporewiki-rp2 || If you wish your blog kept, make request here: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Technobliterator |
| 14:18.43 | Technobliterator | taking requests |
| 14:18.56 | Technobliterator | though most people can do it themselves |
| 14:20.26 | Wormy_ | I'll archive them myself thanks |
| 14:20.42 | Wormy_ | Save you the job |
| 14:22.30 | Cyrannian | So... 2014 was a pretty crappy year for the wiki. |
| 14:22.36 | Xho | Yep |
| 14:23.22 | Technobliterator | Nope, it was worth it for removing blogspace |
| 14:23.29 | Technobliterator | But this is one of our darkest years, it's true |
| 14:23.46 | Wormy_ | It was as bad as when it was in 2011 |
| 14:23.46 | Technobliterator | let's hope for a better one next year :o |
| 14:24.07 | Technobliterator | The worst year was 2010 or 2011, I can't remember |
| 14:24.11 | Wormy_ | Well, at least now most of us agree on why some of it is going wrong |
| 14:24.24 | Technobliterator | it was when Mush was around and everyone used to get into arguments with one another over stupid shit |
| 14:24.28 | Xho | How about we just kick people between the legs for sport |
| 14:24.38 | Technobliterator | which year was the Cleanslate year? was that 2011? |
| 14:24.45 | Wormy_ | Might have been |
| 14:24.48 | Wormy_ | yes |
| 14:24.50 | Xho | 2013 I think |
| 14:24.54 | Xho | I dunno |
| 14:25.05 | Technobliterator | 2011 iirc |
| 14:25.16 | Technobliterator | but yes, THAT was awful |
| 14:25.23 | Xho | Yeah 2011 |
| 14:25.25 | Technobliterator | This is basically a throwback to that year |
| 14:25.36 | Wormy_ | There was a small period in 2012 when things got a bit hairy on IRC |
| 14:25.37 | Xho | Worse than 2011 if you ask me |
| 14:25.53 | OluapPlayer | The Annihilation page was started in June 9, 2011â |
| 14:25.54 | OluapPlayer | So 2011 |
| 14:25.57 | Wormy_ | I think events of 2014 have been scarring |
| 14:26.06 | Cyrannian | Yes, I think it was worse than 2011. 2011 had some great moments. |
| 14:26.25 | Technobliterator | moderately worse |
| 14:26.29 | OluapPlayer | And yeah I agree this year was worse than 2011 |
| 14:26.47 | OluapPlayer | Or rather it was the worst year I had here in general |
| 14:26.50 | Technobliterator | I tried my best to save it :o |
| 14:27.17 | Wormy_ | I must apologise Oluap. We have had some disagreements this year and I spoke to you harshly a couple of weeks ago. |
| 14:27.18 | Technobliterator | hm, I'd say it was my tied-worst year in general, but then again, honestly I missed a lot of this year |
| 14:27.18 | Xho | 2015 better be an improvement or I'll bring out a giant 18-inch dildo and slap people with it |
| 14:27.50 | Technobliterator | isn't it funny how we de-admin Xho then have a crappy year as punishment for it |
| 14:27.51 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 14:28.04 | Xho | I de-admined myself I'll have you know |
| 14:28.05 | OluapPlayer | 2014 was awful becuase you started this :o thing |
| 14:28.06 | OluapPlayer | Stop dis |
| 14:28.09 | Wormy_ | You know I had to leave in November just for a while because I was not enjoying myself here at all. |
| 14:28.20 | Technobliterator | I thought I always :o'd all the time |
| 14:28.22 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 14:28.23 | odell | 2015 wrap yourself with the British flag for 20%+ patriotism. |
| 14:28.31 | Xho | odell: Sounds like a plan |
| 14:28.34 | Wormy_ | I could do that |
| 14:28.39 | Cyrannian | 2010 was pretty bad for arguments too. I remember towards the end, we had to stage an intervention to prevent people from killing each other. |
| 14:28.42 | Wormy_ | sips tea |
| 14:28.58 | Technobliterator | I don't like to look back on 2010 |
| 14:29.03 | Xho | I doubt re-admining me would fix things though |
| 14:29.15 | Xho | It's definitely above me just having a few buttons |
| 14:29.17 | Technobliterator | oh, you de-admin'd yourself? |
| 14:29.19 | Xho | Yeah |
| 14:29.31 | Technobliterator | ...so YOU are the cause of all our suffering |
| 14:29.35 | Technobliterator | D:< |
| 14:29.49 | Xho | I went into some psychotic breakdown at Cyrannian and took me almost a year to get over it |
| 14:29.58 | Wormy_ | You know I agree with Xho sometimes. We need to take things less seriously in a way and get less angry over them |
| 14:29.58 | Xho | That was real life stuff though |
| 14:30.06 | Technobliterator | If there's one good thing about 2014, it's that we got over that |
| 14:30.18 | Technobliterator | I'm glad you guys sorted that out |
| 14:30.22 | OluapPlayer | At least we got the Fantasyverse running in 2014 |
| 14:30.30 | OluapPlayer | That's one good thing about this year |
| 14:30.43 | Wormy_ | Yeah I think we understand better what is going wrong and agree its wrong |
| 14:30.53 | Technobliterator | Fantasyverse, for a bright and better future 2015! |
| 14:30.53 | odell | I'm kinda ashamed of myself that I argured about a second countinuity. |
| 14:30.59 | Xho | Perhaps in 2015 we should get the Civ Universe running |
| 14:31.19 | OluapPlayer | how bout get it deleted |
| 14:31.24 | odell | 2015 better be an improvement. |
| 14:31.31 | Technobliterator | hoh |
| 14:31.32 | odell | *echoes it* |
| 14:31.43 | Wormy_ | I'm ashamed with myself for becoming more argumentative myself. I used to be more neutral but I get very much involved on one side or the other this year. |
| 14:31.52 | Xho | OluapPlayer: NEEEH |
| 14:32.19 | Technobliterator | Wormy, are you sure you're ok with handling this bcrat business on your own? I mean, if it's too much stress for just you, then one of us can help you out |
| 14:34.39 | Hachiman | I feel more people are required to participate in the Fantasyverse and be more proactive with it |
| 14:34.43 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10345764_2360338510688053_802254058995148883_n.jpg?oh=35ca4f32779956c585eb29ff75195fe5&oe=55456C4B&__gda__=1425657469_6b195f869ed53615fb4d6c4b01b09d65 My head |
| 14:36.23 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 14:36.26 | Technobliterator | in general 2014 was meh |
| 14:36.33 | Cyrannian | Any ideas on how to improve the wiki for 2015? |
| 14:36.35 | Technobliterator | there are, like, 2 new games I actually liked? |
| 14:36.52 | Hachiman | Aside from getting rid of detrimental users, no idea |
| 14:37.12 | Technobliterator | There's a Fantasyverse, we can make our best efforts to revive the Fictionverse, there's a couple ideas I had |
| 14:37.24 | Xho | Re-introducing the old way of doing things in the Ficitonverse |
| 14:37.45 | AdmiralPanda | I've basically accepted the fact that the kind of stories I came here to write don't happen, so I mostly just use this place as a way of staying in touch with you guys |
| 14:37.48 | Xho | Fictionverse even |
| 14:37.58 | Hachiman | Get more interest in the Fantasyverse and getting the Fictionverse out of its stage of universal realpolitik bullcrap |
| 14:38.07 | Hachiman | Which is down to detrimental users |
| 14:38.27 | Hachiman | And in turn prevent Fantasyverse from becoming universally realpolitik |
| 14:38.36 | Technobliterator | Or just make it clear that the existence of the "realpolitik bullcrap" does not prevent the existence of character based stories |
| 14:38.51 | Xho | Realpolitik Fantasyverse |
| 14:38.54 | Xho | Can such a thing even exist |
| 14:39.00 | Hachiman | I hope not |
| 14:39.26 | Technobliterator | The feeling that the fictionverse is "ruined" by realpolitik stories is the feeling we need to get rid of |
| 14:39.38 | Hachiman | Well then we need less realpolitik stories |
| 14:39.49 | Hachiman | The GigConflicts fucked over the Fictionverse |
| 14:39.54 | Technobliterator | no, they can still exist |
| 14:40.00 | Technobliterator | Just don't impose them on other people |
| 14:40.01 | Cyrannian | Fire mages debating fiscal reform with conservative necromancers |
| 14:40.17 | Xho | Pelagrios - MORE RUM |
| 14:40.28 | OluapPlayer | Politics of rum |
| 14:40.34 | Technobliterator | I find the failure of the GigConflicts said, but honestly we have to make mistakes to learn from them |
| 14:40.36 | Hachiman | It made the entire setting less enjoyable because it was an imposed movement, not particularly on behalf of the founder but on behalf of many of the users involved in it |
| 14:40.40 | Xho | Pelagrios - best democracy because everyone drinks rum |
| 14:40.52 | Technobliterator | *sad |
| 14:40.52 | Xho | Pelagrios - actually no worst democracy because I want all the rum |
| 14:41.01 | OluapPlayer | Caligaduro - fuck it *gets drunk* |
| 14:41.11 | Xho | Pelagrios - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 14:41.31 | OluapPlayer | Drinking Pelagrios' rum is a good way to kill even Caligaduro |
| 14:41.54 | Xho | Caligaduro - what is this mortal sorcery Pelagrios - rum u liek Caligaduro - yes and no |
| 14:42.14 | Cyrannian | I actually agree that the GigaConflicts severely damaged the Fiction Universe. It's one of the worst episodes in the Wiki's history in my opinion. |
| 14:42.24 | Hachiman | The GigConflicts was a mistake that shattered the enjoyability of the Fictionverse setting, leaving the older users who are disinterested in the crap imposed upon them with little more than the Fantasyverse to retreat to |
| 14:42.28 | Xho | It sounded like a good idea on paper |
| 14:42.43 | Hachiman | Sure it was fine for the newer users but they are the ones imposing realpolitik on others |
| 14:43.16 | OluapPlayer | While I hate the GigaCondoms with a passion, there's no such thing as "newer users" anymore |
| 14:43.21 | Wormy_ | I think the main difficuluty is that both sides of the Gigaconflict couldn't agree, leading to such poor communication. And i actually got caught in the middle |
| 14:43.24 | OluapPlayer | Everyone involved is a senior at this point |
| 14:43.59 | Wormy_ | Maybe the Gigaconflict had out-of-universe undertones. |
| 14:44.15 | Xho | Throwing everyone into a gigaquadrantic war was difficult since there's probably only two or three factions in the entire universe that want a war |
| 14:44.19 | Hachiman | Alright then, the senior users are imposing the realpolitik issue, the veterans are being oppressed by this movement as they feel they no longer have a place in the setting |
| 14:44.41 | Technobliterator | GigCondoms |
| 14:44.43 | Technobliterator | I lol'd |
| 14:45.09 | Cyrannian | It was created for the purpose of breaking down the divisions between users and get them collaborating with each other, but clearly it spiraled into madness soon after it was created. |
| 14:45.10 | Xho | The only empire I can think of that actively want to create a war is the Dominion...though that's not new news |
| 14:45.57 | Xho | Certainly must be more than just the Dominion but I've forgotten most of the Fictionverse |
| 14:46.04 | Wormy_ | We both felt oppressed by each other, because it became "us and them". It should never have been like that. To be fair, when we started, we thought it could work like the War ofd ages years before but changes had already happened. |
| 14:46.06 | Cyrannian | brb |
| 14:46.29 | Xho | Well there's one outstanding idea for 2013 |
| 14:46.32 | Xho | 2015 even |
| 14:46.34 | Hachiman | If I was placed in charge of what to do in order to avoid the entire realpolitik issue, I would cut out the roots of the cancer |
| 14:46.36 | Xho | Redoing War of Ages |
| 14:46.39 | Xho | Or Tigris War |
| 14:46.45 | Technobliterator | please |
| 14:47.10 | Hachiman | Roots of the cancer referring to those users who continue to destroy the setting with their mess |
| 14:47.32 | Wormy_ | Hachi: We need to stop thinking of it as a conflict like that. |
| 14:47.53 | Xho | OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqtHP988EhY How the Eschaton ends |
| 14:48.00 | OluapPlayer | That kind of attitude could get you banned for harrassment |
| 14:48.15 | Hachiman | It is a user-based issue however |
| 14:48.17 | Wormy_ | Lets just forget our opinions and make wiki based thinking instead |
| 14:48.26 | OluapPlayer | Xho: Kalarah's death scene |
| 14:48.33 | Xho | Septimus - u dramatic lil sit |
| 14:48.34 | Xho | shit even |
| 14:48.39 | Xho | I can't keyboard today |
| 14:48.45 | OluapPlayer | Kalarah - sit down and aaa *boom* |
| 14:49.05 | Hachiman | While I will push for more interest in the Fantasyverse I am actually thankful it has not been touched and attempted to convert to realpolitik |
| 14:49.25 | Technobliterator | I think you're taking the "realpolitik" thing too seriously |
| 14:49.27 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (3a6b1c72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.107.28.114) |
| 14:49.33 | AdmiralPanda | Internet dropped out |
| 14:49.59 | Hachiman | The issue really is not the realpolitik; it is the fact it is an imposed trend |
| 14:50.15 | Technobliterator | I don't see how its existence imposes it |
| 14:50.17 | Wormy_ | Yeah, I'm not even doing the real-politik side of the Xonexi war |
| 14:50.31 | Wormy_ | Nobody is being converted |
| 14:50.56 | Wormy_ | What I think is better is that we mix these trends together and try them out |
| 14:51.03 | Hachiman | It is not its existence that imposes it, it is the prevalence of its imposement on others at the hand of other users |
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| 14:51.13 | Wormy_ | Just my opinion, not going to argue for it |
| 14:51.38 | Xho | I certainly don't like the sentiment of necessity of doing Realpolitik because it's the in-thing |
| 14:51.40 | Hachiman | This is a user-based problem at the core and not a genre-based one |
| 14:52.01 | Technobliterator | The only time it was imposed was the GigCondom time which is over |
| 14:52.17 | Xho | And I certainly didn't like that discussion we had when someone said "Certain themes were taken out because it was at the interest of the majority" |
| 14:52.21 | Wormy_ | I think the user-based problem stems from said problems of communication and wiki understanding however |
| 14:52.22 | Hachiman | It still nonetheless fucked everything up |
| 14:52.33 | Xho | Utilitarianism works in some cases but not in that respect |
| 14:53.14 | Wormy_ | What about negative utilitarianism? |
| 14:53.22 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Mind if I make an Orichalcum Elf representation of Death |
| 14:53.34 | Wormy_ | http://www.utilitarianism.com/karl-popper.html |
| 14:53.50 | OluapPlayer | Xho: Go ahead |
| 14:54.07 | Xho | Well I probably won't do it now since I'm heading out fairly soon |
| 14:54.08 | Hachiman | I have spoken to some of the less-veteran users and I have heard comments that range from people that are dissatisfied with the current state of the Fictionverse - such as me, Xho, Oluap, etc - being the actual problem rather than those that caused its current state and that those people who do not want to be involved in realpolitik "still have Borealis" |
| 14:54.43 | Xho | Well we don't have Borealis because Oluap doesn't want to use Borealis atm |
| 14:54.49 | Hachiman | Exactly |
| 14:55.05 | Technobliterator | That sounds more like a "you have yours, we have ours" sentiment |
| 14:55.39 | Xho | Wormy_: Depends in what kind of situation you want to use negative utilitarianism |
| 14:55.42 | Hachiman | Except in this situation the "we have ours" is the rest of the Fictionverse outside of Borealis and that nothing else other than realpolitik is accepted |
| 14:56.30 | Xho | Well the only way to stop that is to actually create something that isn't politically incined |
| 14:56.32 | Xho | inclined |
| 14:56.36 | Xho | FUCK MY FINGERS TODAY |
| 14:56.49 | Wormy_ | Xho: Perhaps minimise the conditions that cause an argument, although not with absolute certainty. I don't know, I'm not well-versed in moral or political philosophy. I'm more into philosophy of science and knowledge |
| 14:56.50 | Xho | Don't actually screw my fingers I need them |
| 14:56.58 | Hachiman | In my opinion the wiki has practically reached one minute to midnight on the clock of death |
| 14:57.07 | Wormy_ | "SporeWiki is not a democracy" |
| 14:57.41 | Xho | Hypothetically speaking if I created an event on the wiki that was following the original format would people follow it |
| 14:57.54 | Technobliterator | I would |
| 14:57.58 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure |
| 14:58.02 | Technobliterator | I don't even edit the wiki anymore, but I would |
| 14:58.10 | Technobliterator | Honestly, now we need it more than ever |
| 14:58.12 | OluapPlayer | All depends of the plot |
| 14:58.15 | Xho | Well this outside of the boundaries of personal restraint |
| 14:58.17 | Wormy_ | I've tried to create lots of old format fiction and nobody joins it anymore :( |
| 14:58.17 | Hachiman | The users that are more prevalent in the current wreck of the Fictionverse would push against it |
| 14:58.34 | Technobliterator | Then ignore them? |
| 14:58.40 | Hachiman | Because of reasons usually relating to "muh realism" |
| 14:58.49 | Technobliterator | If they don't want to be involved, they don't have to be |
| 14:58.55 | Xho | I wouldn't know what to do for a plot really, I'm definitely not pushing out the old Xhodocto ploy |
| 15:00.48 | Xho | Redoing the War of Ages is the only thing of which sounds like an idea |
| 15:01.15 | Wormy_ | Yeah |
| 15:01.34 | Wormy_ | Perhaps involve the temporal war thing |
| 15:01.44 | *** join/#sporewiki AdmiralPanda (3a6b1c72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.58.107.28.114) |
| 15:01.49 | Wormy_ | Right I must go on to archive my blogs |
| 15:01.52 | AdmiralPanda | Ugh |
| 15:01.59 | AdmiralPanda | so what did I miss |
| 15:02.16 | Xho | Not much really |
| 15:02.35 | Xho | We're saying that if there was a fiction following the old format a few users might join it |
| 15:02.45 | Xho | Though the only probable idea we have is redoing the War of Ages |
| 15:02.56 | AdmiralPanda | And what exactly do you mean by the old format |
| 15:02.59 | Hachiman | And the more prevalent users in the current mess that is the Fictionverse would oppose it |
| 15:03.13 | Hachiman | As in not just not join but actually oppose its going-through |
| 15:03.17 | Xho | The non-realpolitik format as Hachi would say |
| 15:03.31 | AdmiralPanda | I have no clue what realpolitik actually is so that doesn't help much |
| 15:03.35 | Xho | Right |
| 15:03.39 | Xho | Well just the usual way of doing things then |
| 15:04.34 | AdmiralPanda | I'll admit I'm a little tired and cranky so could you please give me an example? |
| 15:04.40 | Cyrannian | Back |
| 15:04.53 | Xho | Any of the war stories that we've done |
| 15:05.04 | Wormy_away | The thing about thisrealpolitik thing is that its not stopped the way I do fiction, or Monet does outside the Xonexi conflict, or what dino or Cyrannian does |
| 15:05.27 | Xho | I personally wouldn't head the War of Ages thing again, I generally tend to lose interest when it gets past a certain point |
| 15:06.13 | Cyrannian | I think the point is that there is a perception that the prevalence of that kind of fiction discourages other forms from gaining a foothold. |
| 15:06.20 | OluapPlayer | Realpolitik = realism-heavy, little focus on characters, no supernatural elements |
| 15:06.29 | Wormy_away | It certainly isn't my favourite format and I agree it shouldn't be forced on people just because its said to be "in the now"] |
| 15:07.00 | AdmiralPanda | OluapPlayer: Much obliged. The third point I approve of but the other two can go die (raises bias flags) |
| 15:07.05 | OluapPlayer | The old format would be character-centric bombastic demons and devils and explosions everywhere |
| 15:07.24 | Xho | Santorakh - just like mardi gras everyday c |
| 15:07.27 | Wormy_away | I remember when I started being in the fiction universe, and I enjoyed writing speculative sci-fi, and maybe couyple of others. None of us wanted everyone else to be forced into it. We just did what we did |
| 15:07.35 | Cyrannian | I suppose Dino and I exist somewhere in the middle |
| 15:07.43 | Xho | Well the Xhodocto back then would be more like giant techno-magic demon aliens |
| 15:07.52 | Xho | Sounds like an awful pop genre |
| 15:07.55 | Technobliterator | you just pinged me |
| 15:07.57 | Technobliterator | ;_; |
| 15:08.01 | Wormy_away | I do remember some perception that it was discouraging other kinds of fiction though |
| 15:08.16 | OluapPlayer | Go back to anywhere but here dumba you're not even a member of the wiki anymore |
| 15:08.16 | OluapPlayer | shoo |
| 15:08.31 | Technobliterator | :'( |
| 15:08.57 | Xho | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140313212202/spore/images/e/ec/WoAXhodocto.png I retconned the Xhodocto to look like that |
| 15:09.31 | Wormy_away | Cyrannian: Its why I think users should communicate more effectively across so called "factions" and share some of these trends |
| 15:09.55 | Wormy_away | and minimise the perception that its discouraging other trends |
| 15:10.19 | Cyrannian | I think I have good relations with both sides of this divide now, but I will admit that while I enjoy the Xonexian Schism, there are some parts of it that are written in such a way that make it seem all-encompassing to whatever galaxy it is set in. That may be part of the mistrust and annoyance surrounding it. |
| 15:11.36 | Xho | I gotta go soon so update me on this if or when I get back |
| 15:12.11 | Wormy_away | I think it could be that what went wrong with the Gogaconflicts was disagreements on a rather subjective basis, but with undertones pointing to factions and bad communication that had developed. That is where we need to cut the roots. |
| 15:12.26 | Hachiman | Or just prohibit users |
| 15:12.32 | Wormy_away | Because you can't argure subjectively |
| 15:12.33 | Hachiman | Since they are the ones causing the problem |
| 15:12.47 | AdmiralPanda | tbh the ONLY thing I write is purely character driven, at least the only thing I write worth anything, so you can understand why I haven't done much of anything lately |
| 15:13.11 | Hachiman | The ones that are imposing the idea that realpolitik should be the be-all and end-all should be removed ideally but that is just personal bias and opinion |
| 15:14.12 | Hachiman | I remember when the idea of a new galaxy was posed and they immediately wanted to bring its entirety into their shitty GigConflicts/Schism shit |
| 15:14.18 | Wormy_away | That's where I disagree Hachi. You are using your opinion and perception of the problem and then imposing an aggressive ban on them. I think the real problem is a lot more complex than blaming it on users, For one, a big reason why they aren't as integrated is the way they enter the wiki and don't know things like the Recent Changes |
| 15:14.34 | Xho | We're gonna go into a discussion with no result again |
| 15:14.45 | Xho | I'd rather think of solutions than addressing problems |
| 15:14.46 | Wormy_away | They may think that, but it is no use arguing on opinion. I can only argue on the basis of the wiki |
| 15:14.56 | Cyrannian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.50 | Wormy_away | Yeah |
| 15:16.19 | Wormy_away | It makes the Xonexi people seem like revolutionaries (no offense to them, but it might have been what it was about) |
| 15:16.46 | Wormy_away | In fact I reemember some stating as such, sothat one faction wins the status quo |
| 15:16.52 | Wormy_away | That I don't agree with |
| 15:16.59 | Xho | I think we should just say fuck them and do what we must within the realms of wiki to balance it out |
| 15:17.09 | Hachiman | Like I said |
| 15:17.20 | Hachiman | User-based problem that can be solved with removal |
| 15:17.33 | Wormy_away | Obviously, if it got to that level of disruption yes. But we no longer are I think |
| 15:17.55 | Xho | Get rid of them, create a friendly environement, I don't really have an opinion on the matter now just as long as there's a resolution |
| 15:18.35 | Xho | Either that or we just bring more focus into the Fantasyverse because there only seems to be three users adding to it atm |
| 15:18.45 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 15:19.01 | Cyrannian | I suppose editing the GXS in such a way that downplays the whole Gigaquadrant-spanning aspect could be a first step. |
| 15:19.03 | Wormy_away | I don't know. My opinion is that I'd feel unwelcome at this point. |
| 15:19.06 | Vincent20100 | Well, adhering to the Fiction or Fantasy verse are personnal choices |
| 15:19.31 | Xho | True |
| 15:19.55 | Wormy_away | If too many cooks spoil the broth, then I don't want to spoil your broth. Do you understand what I'm getting at? |
| 15:19.58 | Xho | You shouldn't be forced into the Fantasyverse but I'd encourage more activity in it |
| 15:20.02 | Vincent20100 | Of course we can make some kind of "advertisment" to let user who don't kow the Fantasy verse exist know it is |
| 15:20.31 | Xho | Well the only reason Oluap/Me/Hachi tend to reign dominant over it is because there's only the three of us |
| 15:20.39 | OluapPlayer | And imp |
| 15:20.44 | Xho | And Imperios blah |
| 15:20.54 | Xho | Imperios is too quiet for me to remember hur |
| 15:21.07 | Xho | Oluap/Me/Hachi/Imperios then |
| 15:21.13 | Wormy_away | I think this whole faction thing is against an open wiki and needs to go. Rather than have factions fight it out I'd rather we actually work together and do that by putting the wiki first. |
| 15:21.35 | Xho | We do kind of need more users to be more active to create a more plentiful setting |
| 15:22.09 | Xho | Wormy_away: As much as I'd like to do that it's not gonna happen if users are not willing to cooperate |
| 15:22.10 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 15:22.20 | Vincent20100 | Utlimatly, more users is what is needed |
| 15:22.24 | Xho | Even one user not cooperating has already put the idea into impossibility |
| 15:22.38 | Wormy_away | Xho: Well I say leave those no willing to cooperate behind. Thats why I said in my comment, they are in no place to moan |
| 15:22.39 | Vincent20100 | MOre users would allow more connections between these so called factions |
| 15:22.45 | Xho | Fair enough |
| 15:23.03 | Cyrannian | I'll make a forum post about revitalising the Fiction Universe. Hachi, Xho and Oluap, do you fellows have any ideas given your departures from it? |
| 15:23.29 | Xho | Well like I said, make it open or available to doing things 'the old way' |
| 15:23.32 | Wormy_away | I think we can go back to what it was like a few years ago by thinking in terns of the wiki, not what benefits peoples opinions |
| 15:23.55 | Xho | It's not exactly that realpolitik dominates the fictionverse, users can go about doing what they like |
| 15:24.12 | Xho | It's the attitudes of the users that twist that view |
| 15:24.23 | Wormy_away | yeah |
| 15:25.06 | Hachiman | Allow for more significance of plot genres other than the realpolitik based on the perception that the genre is the most important aspect and conformity to it is required, downplay the significance of events such as GigConflicts and Xonexian Schism so as to not affect the entire universe/cluster |
| 15:25.08 | Cyrannian | I suppose I could start with "stop trying to make universal conflict happen, it's not gonna happen." :P |
| 15:25.17 | Xho | Some users are pro-realpolitik and have pretty much hammered that sentiment into every place possible even though it's realistically a tiny conecpt |
| 15:25.22 | Xho | concept* |
| 15:26.04 | Xho | Entire-universe plots should have ended and died with Tantum really |
| 15:26.17 | Hachiman | I would also say call out and remove those users that emphasize and impose the trend from the wiki |
| 15:26.21 | Hachiman | But that is just me |
| 15:26.21 | Technobliterator | I am fine with the War of Ages |
| 15:26.31 | Technobliterator | being revitalised |
| 15:26.48 | Xho | Redoing a War of Ages thing would be a cool idea for most of 2015 though that might draw attention away from everything else |
| 15:26.48 | OluapPlayer | I myself am not a fan of how the GXS because it makes claims such as "battle of the Milky Way", because it implies the entire Milky Way is involved |
| 15:26.49 | Technobliterator | I also think you're seriously overestimating the influence and detriment of these "new users" |
| 15:27.02 | OluapPlayer | My empire is a major power of the Milky Way, or at least it's supposed to be, yet it's not involved |
| 15:27.32 | Xho | "New users" don't have any "influence", it's just the fact that they think they do it gets to the point where they're in their own bubble that sucks everyone else into |
| 15:28.47 | Vincent20100 | HAchiman: Removing users? Not sure it's exactly the best solution |
| 15:29.01 | Hachiman | Gets rid of the cause of the problem |
| 15:29.26 | Vincent20100 | PArt of the problem is the lack of users, removing users would worsen this |
| 15:29.31 | Xho | It would work on the short term |
| 15:29.43 | Xho | The long term would probably cause a domino effect |
| 15:29.46 | Hachiman | I feel that one particular user has over-stepped their boundaries multiple times and has questioned the competence of the administrative board due to not receiving adminship purely for doing nothing actually pertaining to the wiki as a whole other than "wanting to represent the community" |
| 15:29.47 | Vincent20100 | It would be a shot in the foot |
| 15:30.41 | Hachiman | And based on their own significance in the Fantasyverse |
| 15:30.46 | Hachiman | Fictionnverse* |
| 15:30.51 | Hachiman | Fictionverse* |
| 15:31.08 | AdmiralPanda | I'll be quite honest, given the fiction styles of basically everyone else here I'm not likely to get back into the universe |
| 15:31.29 | Xho | You can do your own fiction style you know |
| 15:31.53 | Xho | That's probably going to do more good than bad |
| 15:31.59 | AdmiralPanda | Not much point if I'm doing it on my own |
| 15:32.14 | Xho | It's only hard because time zones |
| 15:32.28 | AdmiralPanda | Correction, roleplaying is hard because of time zones |
| 15:32.53 | Xho | Oh right you mean narratives |
| 15:33.12 | AdmiralPanda | Dino and I managed to write In Better Times, what I consider to be my best contribution to the universe, without roleplaying or even being online at remotely the same time |
| 15:33.16 | Technobliterator | I can always solve this problem like I normally do |
| 15:33.22 | Technobliterator | Shove blockwarnings on peoples' pages |
| 15:33.24 | Technobliterator | >:) |
| 15:33.27 | Xho | Chronoscopic powers aren't real |
| 15:33.33 | Xho | Or that |
| 15:33.56 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: Well you need to stick yourself right into getting users to write |
| 15:34.01 | Vincent20100 | Not sure it would work |
| 15:34.51 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: Last time I did that, the two users I was writing with got into an argument and the whole thing fell apart, and all my attempts since have been "I don't have time to start anything new" |
| 15:35.31 | Xho | Well the only solution then is a positive outlook |
| 15:35.46 | Xho | As should be with the whole situation on the wiki in general |
| 15:37.09 | Xho | Gotta go |
| 15:38.00 | Technobliterator | Wormy_away, which blogs need archiving? |
| 15:38.20 | Cyrannian | So far I have: "Downplaying the intergalactic significance of the GXC so it doesn't marginalise those who aren't involved." Anything else? |
| 15:38.59 | OluapPlayer | Not telling people to stick to one place or make a different universe just because it's not realpolitik |
| 15:39.12 | Technobliterator | No feelings of imposing or implications that there's any "place" for any "type" of fiction |
| 15:39.16 | Hachiman | Less imposed significance of the realpolitik genre or any genre in general so as to allow a coexistence |
| 15:39.20 | Technobliterator | So no "oh, that fiction goes there, and that fiction goes there" |
| 15:39.54 | Technobliterator | Anyone want any blogs moved? |
| 15:40.10 | Hachiman | Remove all my blogs from existence pls |
| 15:40.17 | Vincent20100 | Moved blogs can still used? |
| 15:40.28 | Technobliterator | No |
| 15:40.39 | Technobliterator | Instead, you can use the talk page of the moved blogs |
| 15:41.04 | Cyrannian | People were told to stick to a single place because they didn't follow realpolitik? |
| 15:41.13 | Wormy_away | Jo: I'm currently moving mine to a subpage with a few selected comments |
| 15:41.22 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: Yes |
| 15:41.27 | Hachiman | Yes they were |
| 15:41.40 | Wormy_away | Actually, I didn't think of doing it that way |
| 15:41.41 | Vincent20100 | Honestly, I have never seen anybody being forced to follow realpolitik |
| 15:41.50 | Wormy_away | Don't worry Jo I'll do my own |
| 15:41.53 | Technobliterator | Alright |
| 15:41.59 | Technobliterator | I'm giving you all until tonight |
| 15:42.20 | Hachiman | It was also said to people to stop complaining about the significance of the realpolitik genre in the current Fictionverse due to the logic of them complaining = them causing the problem |
| 15:43.57 | Technobliterator | odell, do you want http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dromlexer/Vision_of_2015 archived? |
| 15:44.23 | odell | meh, fuck it. nobody cares anyway |
| 15:45.44 | Vincent20100 | I did :) |
| 15:46.02 | Technobliterator | I assume since Monet's not continued to work on his "guide to solid fiction" blog that he doesn't care for me keeping that around |
| 15:46.24 | Hachiman | Yeah please delete that |
| 15:46.40 | Vincent20100 | HAchi, I find it kind akward you oppose to such a logic, when your very solution to ban the users opposing other subject was litteraly to the droop the banhammer on all of them |
| 15:46.48 | Technobliterator | Everything in the namespace will be delted |
| 15:48.14 | Technobliterator | Ahahaha |
| 15:48.28 | Technobliterator | I love how about half of MushrumKing's editcount will be gone >:D |
| 15:48.41 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 15:48.51 | Wormy_away | Lol at mine and Falco's AHHH battle http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Wormulon/Incoming_Transmission_-_Your_new_masters |
| 15:49.39 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:194032 - Look at this, my beautiful little munchkins |
| 15:50.01 | odell | Wormy_away: welp |
| 15:51.12 | Vincent20100 | Cyrannian: uld be a great way to get off to a great start in 2014. |
| 15:51.13 | *** topic/#sporewiki by Technobliterator -> SporeWiki! http://spore.wikia.com || Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/ || Collaborative Universes: Sci-Fi http://tinyurl.com/3ddvp7q Fantasy http://tinyurl.com/p9qau7l || Roleplay subchannels: #sporewiki-rp1 and #sporewiki-rp2 || If you wish your blog kept, poke the admins || http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:194032 |
| 15:51.23 | Vincent20100 | You probably meant 2015 |
| 15:52.00 | Cyrannian | Le whoops, you kids and your new years. |
| 15:52.05 | Vincent20100 | ^^ |
| 15:52.17 | Wormy_away | You know, I was so close to reaching 30,000 edits. I guess I might get set back a few thousand. Somebody even get ahead of me ;) |
| 15:52.42 | Wormy_away | *might even |
| 15:52.57 | AdmiralPanda | alright well I'm gonna go pass out, see you guys later |
| 15:53.17 | Cyrannian | I'll be down 5,234 edits. |
| 15:53.47 | Technobliterator | Oluap's ahead of all of us :o |
| 15:53.48 | odell | Fuck blade wolf |
| 15:53.55 | Vincent20100 | I don't get the realpolitk issue. I have never seen anybody being "bullied" about that or anything even close to that |
| 15:53.56 | OluapPlayer | ayyy |
| 15:54.02 | OluapPlayer | can't catch me |
| 15:54.30 | Cyrannian | Oluap will be down only 200 hundred edits. :O |
| 15:55.11 | Technobliterator | I'll be down a few ;____; |
| 15:55.12 | OluapPlayer | 200 hundred Oluaps down the drain |
| 15:55.31 | OluapPlayer | Wait |
| 15:55.34 | OluapPlayer | 200 hundred |
| 15:55.37 | OluapPlayer | Two hundred hundred |
| 15:55.40 | OluapPlayer | bro wat |
| 15:56.33 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Galactic_Empire_of_Cyrannus/Inquisition - C dis for those who haven't |
| 15:56.42 | odell | I'll be only down with a few teens. But I don't jusitify people by their editing numbers. And people shouldn't. |
| 16:00.33 | *** join/#sporewiki Vincent20100 (b8a1360d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.161.54.13) |
| 16:02.15 | Wormy_away | My fav blog of all time, I will miss it http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Wormulon/What_DO_YOU_think_this_is%3F |
| 16:02.26 | Wormy_away | last chance 2 comment |
| 16:07.02 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:E32.jpg Okay, this is the best image ever uploaded to the wiki, confirmed |
| 16:08.25 | OluapPlayer | terrible/10 commit sepukku |
| 16:08.35 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:165204#26 - Ah yes, when Mush was ranting |
| 16:09.00 | Technobliterator | and we blocked him for trolling admins |
| 16:12.09 | Vincent20100 | Cyrannian: I wanna makke one! |
| 16:12.50 | Cyrannian | An Inquisitor? |
| 16:13.06 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@CPE0026f31ad308-CM0026f31ad305.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:13.23 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mur-dorr. ah, this Spartian300 sockpuppet |
| 16:13.30 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 16:17.48 | TekDroid | Why does it show no edits for him? |
| 16:18.23 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spartian300 lolz, I guess we won't miss these |
| 16:20.03 | TekDroid | *sarcastic laugh* I hope we never have to deal with that again. |
| 16:21.16 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spartian300/im_came_up_with_a_new_creature_which_we_can_all_share. and we shall all miss this one |
| 16:22.32 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10689644_1003074676380210_2309034621722700511_n.jpg?oh=ac8765e9c550266d387d2b6f05ad699a&oe=552B1DD9&__gda__=1426126816_ef5c6e2e9ce6b040e3f3c02dadb8078c |
| 16:24.10 | TekDroid | Also ironic that it was part of technology race with the USSR. |
| 16:24.32 | TekDroid | Which had anything but peaceful aims. |
| 16:26.44 | TekDroid | But I'm not going to miss a single Spartain blog. |
| 16:56.32 | *** join/#sporewiki Monet (5771d3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.113.211.176) |
| 17:00.37 | *** part/#sporewiki Ghelaway (519cca59@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.156.202.89) |
| 17:18.13 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:194032 This will probably become more active later but for those that were not here or did not see earlier |
| 17:20.26 | odell | Gotta love games with hardcore controls. Clumpsy and strenous |
| 17:20.38 | Technobliterator | everyone should see it, it's on the chantopic and in the recent changes |
| 17:21.05 | Hachiman | Yes but some people do not know the Recent Changes exist for some stupid reason |
| 17:23.43 | Monet | Hachiman: One person. |
| 17:24.00 | Hachiman | Nonetheless |
| 17:24.10 | *** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian (562d6746@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.103.70) |
| 17:24.28 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ |
| 17:25.05 | Technobliterator | I wish I could disable Special:WikiaActivity |
| 17:25.16 | Technobliterator | in fact I can probably hack the wiki and do it |
| 17:26.57 | odell | Remove that page from the navigation bar and replace it with the Recent Changes |
| 17:27.32 | odell | It's in both "On the Wiki" and under the "Special Pages" in "Help & Tools" |
| 17:28.02 | Cyrannian | brb |
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| 17:32.33 | Technobliterator | We can't edit that one |
| 17:32.35 | Technobliterator | Wikia disabled it |
| 17:37.49 | Technobliterator | hmm |
| 17:38.08 | Technobliterator | Okay, anyone want any blogs in particular kept? I'm going to disable them in half an hour's time |
| 17:41.36 | Hachiman | None of mine |
| 17:41.55 | Wormy_away | Just finishing up Jo |
| 17:42.00 | Wormy_away | I had to go out |
| 17:42.20 | Vincent20100 | Tech yah, just a sec |
| 17:42.59 | Vincent20100 | I would like to keep the MCA forge thingy |
| 17:43.13 | Vincent20100 | I will wrote down the other on on word |
| 17:43.54 | TekDroid | Can't we just give time so people besides the half dozen of you have time to check what to keep? |
| 17:45.18 | Wormy_away | I believe Jo can undo the blog deletion and restore/move any requested blogs. But I agree, it would be more practical to give users in other time zones more notice. |
| 17:46.29 | Technobliterator | Exactly, I can just restore the namespace and restore any blog |
| 17:46.41 | Hachiman | If you cannot remember what blogs you wish to keep |
| 17:46.46 | Hachiman | Then they are not really worth keeping |
| 17:46.51 | TekDroid | Yes, but people need time to see what they have and want to keep. |
| 17:47.02 | Technobliterator | As Hachi said |
| 17:47.23 | Monet | Not everyone would have seen last night or this morning. |
| 17:47.34 | TekDroid | Just because you can't remember every one off the top of your head doesn't mean it's not worth keeping. |
| 17:48.22 | Wormy_away | It would more practical though to give time, otherwise we are going to have to restore and delete for a few days perhaps |
| 17:48.35 | TekDroid | Exactly. |
| 17:48.56 | Vincent20100 | ^ |
| 17:49.31 | Hachiman | Also we are not keeping every single blog a user has before you get any ideas |
| 17:50.00 | TekDroid | Noone said they were going to try that. |
| 17:50.14 | Vincent20100 | By "we" I assume you mean Tech, right? |
| 17:50.28 | Technobliterator | I don't mind restoring and deleting again for a few days. |
| 17:50.39 | Technobliterator | That way, I get to kill blogspace a million times over |
| 17:50.41 | Technobliterator | >:D |
| 17:50.58 | OluapPlayer | I hope you realize how stupid you sound right now |
| 17:51.26 | TekDroid | ...And how is that? |
| 17:51.30 | Technobliterator | and I hope you realize I've waited years for this |
| 17:51.33 | OluapPlayer | I'm talking to Jo |
| 17:51.41 | Technobliterator | literally years |
| 17:52.05 | TekDroid | ...you only implemented the forums a few months ago. |
| 17:52.09 | Technobliterator | There has not been a single day gone where I haven't wanted blogs removed permanently |
| 17:52.21 | OluapPlayer | It doesn't matter if you have a personal bias against blogs or if they murdered your family |
| 17:52.24 | Technobliterator | not a single day, ever |
| 17:52.26 | OluapPlayer | Users need time to organize themselves |
| 17:52.46 | Technobliterator | then why have I received only 2 or 3 requests for their blogs to be archived? |
| 17:53.03 | Vincent20100 | Why not wait to January 1? |
| 17:53.14 | Technobliterator | no, I'm deleting it today |
| 17:53.15 | TekDroid | Became people haven't had time to look. |
| 17:53.16 | Vincent20100 | Like that you can delete them to celebrate the new year |
| 17:53.34 | Technobliterator | I have to bury this antichrist |
| 17:53.44 | OluapPlayer | You sound extremely obnoxious |
| 17:53.52 | Technobliterator | I have to be the hero to save SporeWiki |
| 17:53.56 | OluapPlayer | This whole thing is extremely obnoxious |
| 17:54.07 | Technobliterator | No, it's what I've waited years for |
| 17:54.23 | OluapPlayer | "How dare the wiki not look the way I want it to" |
| 17:54.29 | OluapPlayer | This is the vibe I get whenever you talk about this |
| 17:55.09 | Technobliterator | the forum posts contains several opinions, mine are not the only ones |
| 17:55.26 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:194032 - This is important, it'll be good to hear people's suggestions. |
| 17:55.29 | OluapPlayer | Doesn't mean everyone in the wiki has read it yet |
| 17:55.30 | Technobliterator | And I have seen only 2 people advocating for keeping blogspace, the rest supporting their destruction |
| 17:55.39 | OluapPlayer | Give it time and stop being obnoxious |
| 17:55.47 | Vincent20100 | Well, honestly, I had no probs with blogs either |
| 17:55.53 | Technobliterator | Then everyone in the wiki can have the space restored and their blogs restored then deleted again |
| 17:56.28 | Technobliterator | brb dinner |
| 17:56.31 | OluapPlayer | Right right go and be a douchebag if you want |
| 17:56.37 | OluapPlayer | If someone complains it's your fault alone |
| 17:57.37 | TekDroid | Can we not giving people outside you narrow timezone time just to know what's going on and check their lists? 5 people are not the whole wiki and you're the only one who wants to rush this. |
| 17:58.37 | OluapPlayer | We can't apparently |
| 17:58.54 | OluapPlayer | Gotta fulfill my childish dream of deleting internet pages |
| 18:01.57 | TekDroid | And can we at least get an official announcement confirming this, rather than an implied consensus buried in a forum post. |
| 18:07.50 | Technobliterator | I am fulfilling my dream |
| 18:07.54 | Technobliterator | and I am SO happy about it |
| 18:09.08 | Technobliterator | I'm going to wait until the end of today |
| 18:09.37 | Technobliterator | and then, I shall cackle evilly as this space burns in hell forever |
| 18:11.13 | Hachiman | Cyrannian: Commented |
| 18:21.02 | Wormy_away | Actually thats quite a good comment |
| 18:22.35 | Cyrannian | Indeed |
| 18:24.12 | Hachiman | I do not see why people shy away from a more radical approach |
| 18:24.17 | Hachiman | Being nice has gotten us nowhere |
| 18:25.01 | Hachiman | If somebody wants to get something done then you should grab the bull by its horns rather than pet its hide |
| 18:29.11 | Wormy_away | If there was a group of users causing disruption purposefully, I would want them banned. |
| 18:29.31 | Wormy_away | But I don't think that is the case now. |
| 18:30.37 | Wormy_away | I do have a vague memory of some user saying something about factions fighting out the status quo but that was well over half a year ago |
| 18:31.09 | Wormy_away | If it was the case, I'm all ears |
| 18:31.09 | Vincent20100 | Seriously, how can you even seriously consider to ban the users involved in this particuliar situation? |
| 18:31.38 | Vincent20100 | Nobody got bullied, insulted, trolled or griefed... |
| 18:31.59 | Vincent20100 | Banning anyone at this point would be completly irrationnal |
| 18:32.01 | Wormy_away | But I cannot block users just because I don't like them. That would be a horrible wiki to be on and it would a downward spiral. Especially if the problem is more opinion-based. |
| 18:32.15 | Vincent20100 | Well, that's what as been suggested |
| 18:32.42 | Wormy_away | It doesn't solve disputes. There would eventually be more, and more users would be banned. Reductio Ad Absurdum |
| 18:33.42 | Hachiman | "Nobody got bullied, insulted, trolled or griefed..." |
| 18:33.46 | Hachiman | But they did |
| 18:33.51 | TekDroid | Who? |
| 18:33.51 | Wormy_away | But its not radical to consider banning users if they are causing willing disruption. In that case, I agree. |
| 18:33.55 | Hachiman | That is why the situation is as it is now |
| 18:34.09 | TekDroid | Who got insulted? Who got forced in? |
| 18:34.13 | TekDroid | Who? |
| 18:34.22 | Hachiman | It was not that we were forced in |
| 18:34.27 | Hachiman | We were forced OUT |
| 18:34.34 | Vincent20100 | Well Hachi, that is exactly what you are saying |
| 18:34.35 | TekDroid | How? |
| 18:34.53 | TekDroid | You're saying we forced you out. How? |
| 18:34.59 | Hachiman | Notice how nobody but you and your gang edit the Fictionverse now with the exception of Wormy, Cyr and Dino |
| 18:35.13 | Wormy_away | This is a subjective argument. Take it off the public chat please. |
| 18:35.19 | TekDroid | You stooped writing. What did we do? |
| 18:35.29 | Vincent20100 | How can you even say that, while being almost in the monopole of the fantasy verse? |
| 18:36.09 | Hachiman | The reason we are at the monopole of the Fantasyverse is because nobody has brought attention to it and it has been left untouched by those that afflicted the Fictionverse with its current bout of cancer |
| 18:36.17 | Vincent20100 | Don't get me wrong, it's no accusation |
| 18:36.29 | Vincent20100 | Fiction verse is in the same case as the Fantasy |
| 18:36.47 | TekDroid | But how did we force you out of the fictionverse. You keep saying it but don't say why. |
| 18:36.47 | Hachiman | It really is not |
| 18:36.53 | Hachiman | The reason me and others stopped writing is because we were made to feel like we no longer had a place in the Fictionverse |
| 18:37.14 | Vincent20100 | Why? Because we wrote our own stuff? |
| 18:37.15 | TekDroid | How is that our fault? |
| 18:37.25 | Vincent20100 | YOU choosed to left it |
| 18:37.30 | Hachiman | We refused to get involved in the realpolitikal GigConflicts/XonSchism bullshit after we had it imposed on us by other users and we were made to feel and look like shit because of it |
| 18:37.41 | Vincent20100 | I'm not involved in any of this either |
| 18:37.46 | Vincent20100 | Still in it though |
| 18:38.03 | Vincent20100 | Nobody is forcing me to join it |
| 18:38.04 | TekDroid | We never forced anyone to get involved with GXS. |
| 18:38.12 | Hachiman | Yes you did though |
| 18:38.19 | Vincent20100 | ... |
| 18:38.20 | Hachiman | That is why people were unhappy with it |
| 18:38.26 | *** part/#sporewiki Monet (5771d3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.113.211.176) |
| 18:38.37 | TekDroid | I give up. |
| 18:38.39 | *** part/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@CPE0026f31ad308-CM0026f31ad305.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:38.57 | Hachiman | Fucking selfish |
| 18:39.00 | Vincent20100 | Hachi, the APR, nor any of my fictions are involved in the GXS thing |
| 18:39.05 | Vincent20100 | None, at all |
| 18:39.21 | Hachiman | They do not even see what they have done and how it has affected the veteran users no longer involved |
| 18:39.24 | Vincent20100 | Yes, I'm interacting with fictions involved in it, but that's a community after all |
| 18:40.10 | Vincent20100 | Look at Cyrannian, neither is he involved, nor forced |
| 18:40.29 | Hachiman | He FOUNDED the GigConflicts |
| 18:40.34 | Hachiman | It's different for Cyrannian |
| 18:40.49 | Technobliterator | I don't think people are understanding the problem at hand. |
| 18:41.18 | Technobliterator | The problem is that, instead of trying to change the perceptions that people have of these users, they just fight and ignore the perceptions |
| 18:41.43 | Hachiman | That is not my fault the senior users are ignorant and blind to the plights of the veteran users |
| 18:41.45 | Technobliterator | When they are perceived as being imposing, and have these accusations thrown at them, they just get defensive and act more imposing, rather than trying to work things out |
| 18:41.59 | Hachiman | This is why I suggest removing them |
| 18:42.36 | Vincent20100 | It's different for Cyra, of course... |
| 18:43.02 | Vincent20100 | It's different for me too? Because his situation and mne are very similar |
| 18:43.07 | Hachiman | No they are not |
| 18:43.11 | Hachiman | You did not cause this mess |
| 18:43.23 | Hachiman | Cyrannian is trying to amend for it |
| 18:43.46 | Technobliterator | Vincent20100, may I ask how any of these fictions seem like the "bad starter example"? |
| 18:44.13 | Vincent20100 | You never saw any bad fictions in your whole lifetime on the wiki |
| 18:44.21 | Vincent20100 | ? |
| 18:44.35 | Hachiman | Of course we did |
| 18:44.44 | Vincent20100 | I didn't called all non-pilitk fictions bad fictions |
| 18:44.45 | Hachiman | That is why we established the bad starter example |
| 18:44.51 | Vincent20100 | I said that yes, some fictions were bad |
| 18:45.02 | Vincent20100 | *politik |
| 18:45.32 | Hachiman | I got to have dinner |
| 18:45.32 | Technobliterator | I was the one who created the bad starter example page. |
| 18:45.38 | Hachiman | The blind attitude of some people is fucking disgusting |
| 18:45.44 | Hachiman | The userbase has really decreased in quality |
| 18:45.49 | Technobliterator | so yes, I have sen several bad fictions |
| 18:45.50 | Vincent20100 | Seriously, that whole debate around GXS means nothing. Lots of good fictions aren't involved in it and were never bullied to get into it |
| 18:46.30 | Vincent20100 | Tech, it was more of a rethorical question, it'S true there is bad fictions out there |
| 18:46.39 | Vincent20100 | And I oppose to them |
| 18:46.51 | Vincent20100 | But I never bullied anybody who used magic to "get out" |
| 18:47.06 | Technobliterator | And how do these fictions appear as bad starter examples? How do the ones created by the older users look like that? |
| 18:47.18 | Technobliterator | No magic is used in the fictionverse |
| 18:47.34 | Vincent20100 | I never called old fictions bad. DCP, NCR and others are good |
| 18:47.42 | Vincent20100 | Well... Some do |
| 18:47.57 | Technobliterator | Such as? |
| 18:48.56 | Vincent20100 | Elderasian uses it, Xhodocto too |
| 18:49.07 | Technobliterator | Xhodocto...do not use magic |
| 18:49.14 | Vincent20100 | Most God-tier races appears too |
| 18:49.22 | Technobliterator | God tier races do not use magic |
| 18:49.45 | Technobliterator | I find it incredibly shallow of you to claim that they use "magic" or are similar to the bad starter example |
| 18:49.58 | Vincent20100 | I never said they were similar |
| 18:50.02 | Technobliterator | These fictions have been built up over years and many long man hours |
| 18:50.15 | Technobliterator | Many of them have incredibly complex explanations for their powers |
| 18:50.28 | Vincent20100 | I said, that like you, I hate bad starter examples, and I oppose to them, but I nver called these bad starters |
| 18:50.47 | Vincent20100 | And never even implicitly meaned it |
| 18:51.02 | Technobliterator | You claimed that you did not find a few fictions appealing because they appeared similar to it |
| 18:52.23 | Vincent20100 | "Of course, like almost everybody in the wiki, I got opposed to some fictions, but not because of their "fantastic" aspects, but because of they were closer to the Bad Starter example" |
| 18:52.28 | Vincent20100 | That is the exact quote |
| 18:52.54 | Vincent20100 | Want some examples of what I meant? |
| 18:53.11 | Vincent20100 | You'll see, none of the older fictions are concerned by what I meant |
| 18:53.20 | Technobliterator | alright, okay then |
| 18:54.16 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Allsucker_Empire |
| 18:54.48 | Technobliterator | those I agree with |
| 18:56.11 | Vincent20100 | That's what I meant |
| 18:56.13 | Vincent20100 | See? |
| 18:56.24 | Vincent20100 | THere is nothing to get wrong in that |
| 18:57.14 | Vincent20100 | And the reason I wrote that was to say that yes, I wouldn't be opposed to some magic (or things similar) to get involved in the Fiction verse maybe |
| 18:57.24 | Vincent20100 | As long as it is well wrote |
| 18:58.29 | Vincent20100 | The thing I'm really against is all that persecution complex |
| 18:59.12 | Vincent20100 | I don't anybody who were forced to do anything they didn't wanted with their own fictions. |
| 18:59.41 | Vincent20100 | If some people want to do a Giant Conflict, free to them, but I never saw any of them dragging me in it |
| 19:01.56 | Vincent20100 | And yes Hachi, the Fantasy and Fiction verses are pretty much in the same situation. Both of them are open to new (or new-older) users. It's just that none wants to get involved (or re-involved) |
| 19:02.09 | Vincent20100 | And if you want to, then do it and stop whinning |
| 19:02.29 | Vincent20100 | I can assure you nobody will be arrassing you |
| 19:06.02 | *** join/#sporewiki Knight_Alien (62cebba2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.206.187.162) |
| 19:06.36 | Knight_Alien | Hello |
| 19:31.03 | *** join/#sporewiki Imperios (~Imperios@95.140.92.52) |
| 19:32.56 | Hachiman | Shut the fuck up Vincent |
| 19:33.04 | Hachiman | You obviously have no grasp of what the fuck is going on |
| 19:33.08 | Hachiman | Or what you are talking about |
| 19:33.22 | Hachiman | And until you learn to understand the fucking point you are arguing for |
| 19:33.24 | Vincent20100 | Really Hachi... |
| 19:33.27 | Hachiman | I suggest you keep your mouth shut |
| 19:33.27 | Vincent20100 | That is sad |
| 19:33.39 | Vincent20100 | But do it the civilized way |
| 19:33.47 | OfficerJackal | Nice going Hachi, Vincent voices his opinion and you beat him down like a dog. |
| 19:34.08 | Hachiman | You're a new user here and you do not understand how the wiki worked prior to the major fuck up that was the GigConflicts |
| 19:34.45 | Vincent20100 | And how what I became false with that new statement? |
| 19:34.53 | Vincent20100 | *what I said |
| 19:35.00 | Hachiman | I am not "whining", I am bringing attention to a plight more people than myself have been experiencing for some time |
| 19:35.05 | Knight_Alien | Can you stop cursing Hachi. |
| 19:35.30 | Vincent20100 | Hachi, you want to wrote stuff? Do it then |
| 19:35.38 | Hachiman | Ask Imperios, or Xho, or OluapPlayer, and they will respond the same way I do with the same stance on the situation |
| 19:35.47 | Vincent20100 | And I'm betting my left nut, that nobody will harass you |
| 19:36.02 | Vincent20100 | Yes, the fiction verse has changed |
| 19:36.12 | Vincent20100 | But you aren't forced to adhere to these changes |
| 19:36.26 | Hachiman | Then why the fuck did this situation arose |
| 19:36.41 | Hachiman | Because we were being imposed upon with these changes |
| 19:36.44 | Vincent20100 | I can't answer that |
| 19:36.47 | Vincent20100 | WHo? |
| 19:36.48 | Imperios | what is happening |
| 19:36.50 | Vincent20100 | Who imposed that? |
| 19:36.53 | Vincent20100 | How? |
| 19:36.53 | Imperios | Why is everyone raging |
| 19:36.55 | Vincent20100 | When? |
| 19:37.06 | Technobliterator | Hachi, I would strongly advise you do not address people with "shut the fuck up" and "you obviously have no grasp of what is going on" |
| 19:37.21 | Wormy_away | Vincent: My word of advise: You wasn't here when there was a massive conflict with GXS. I wouldn't dig your own grave by getting involved in it. |
| 19:37.22 | Hachiman | When the GigConflicts was a thing and by the majority of users who wanted involvement |
| 19:37.38 | Imperios | ^ That is problematic, Hachi. Keep civil as always |
| 19:37.39 | Technobliterator | Because, for someone attempting to play the victim card as your main line of argument, the only victim I see currently is Vincent |
| 19:37.40 | Hachiman | Exactly, Wormy just said it |
| 19:37.47 | Wormy_away | Because you don't fully understand all sides of the debate |
| 19:37.49 | Hachiman | Vincent does not know what the fuck is going on |
| 19:38.02 | Technobliterator | You can tell him that without telling him to shut the fuck up |
| 19:38.02 | Imperios | Guys |
| 19:38.07 | Imperios | Does anybody care to explain it |
| 19:38.18 | Imperios | As far as I understand Hachiman is throwing another tantrum again |
| 19:38.18 | Technobliterator | Imperios, it's in the thread in the chantopic |
| 19:38.34 | Hachiman | "Another tantrum" |
| 19:38.39 | Vincent20100 | Still, my point still stands. Wrote what you want. |
| 19:38.40 | Hachiman | Do I look like Monet |
| 19:38.46 | Imperios | Yes? |
| 19:39.11 | Technobliterator | Vincent20100, I must bring to your attention that you seem to have less context than most users involved, so you should not be so quick to jump to conclusions |
| 19:39.21 | Imperios | You kinda do; no offense but you are the one that throws tantrums the most |
| 19:39.25 | Hachiman | aka keep your nose out of our business |
| 19:39.37 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, I mean I was a part of the GXS before I left and disbanded the GHE, and I didn't force anything on anyone. None of us did, people had the option to join or to not participate, just like the War of Ages and other fictions, the only difference here is that it was "Realpoliik" rather then demons absolutely wrecking everything. People do realpolitik because they enjoy it, nothing more and nothing less, and don't really |
| 19:39.37 | OfficerJackal | want to do demon stories anymore, or at least the type that were done in the past. I mean, Hachi, if you present a good science fantasy story, I bet you lots of people will be interested in it, even the ones who participate in realpolitik. You just need to stop with this persecution complex, when there is no persecution to speak of really. I don't really get involved in arguments much, but come on. |
| 19:39.48 | Imperios | Alright |
| 19:39.56 | Imperios | Realpolitik and stuff |
| 19:40.02 | Hachiman | You are wrong Officer |
| 19:40.04 | Hachiman | We were bullied |
| 19:40.05 | Knight_Alien | If you tell new users to saty out of these things then no wonder why they leave! |
| 19:40.07 | Technobliterator | While Hachi was incorrect for addressing you in such a way, I do feel it is better for you to calm down. |
| 19:40.08 | Imperios | I don't see why these two types of stories cannot coexist |
| 19:40.08 | Hachiman | We were imposed upon |
| 19:40.34 | Wormy_away | I remember both sides feeling bullied and myself feeling bad for becoming a stupid messenger between both groups |
| 19:40.35 | OfficerJackal | How were you bullied and imposed upon? Sorry if I'm somehow ignorant if the situation, but I just want to know. |
| 19:40.36 | Imperios | The only problem I see is that Gigaquadrantic Conflicts was too large |
| 19:40.43 | OfficerJackal | of the situation* |
| 19:41.02 | Imperios | Like you can't just involve half of the universe in a fiction without the majority's consensus |
| 19:41.02 | Hachiman | Do you not remember the fucking problem with the GigConflicts in the first place Officer |
| 19:41.06 | Imperios | Otherwise, trhere is nothing wrong |
| 19:41.17 | Imperios | So, here is my solution |
| 19:41.36 | Wormy_away | I remember one side feeling it was being forced into the Gigaconflicts, and the other side felt that they were marginalised user group who needed to take on aggressive tactics |
| 19:41.38 | Hachiman | We were getting dragged into a shitty realpolitik conflict without even being invited and were made to look like shit upon decline |
| 19:41.54 | Vincent20100 | WHAT?! |
| 19:42.01 | Technobliterator | Hachiman, OfficerJackal is asking innocent questions, so please tone your language down or you will look like the oppressor |
| 19:42.05 | Knight_Alien | This is stupid. |
| 19:42.09 | Imperios | ^^ This |
| 19:42.10 | Imperios | Calm down |
| 19:42.10 | Vincent20100 | ^ |
| 19:42.12 | Wormy_away | Imperios: "Too many cooks spoil the broth" |
| 19:42.16 | Vincent20100 | ^Knight |
| 19:42.22 | Imperios | ^That |
| 19:42.26 | OfficerJackal | Wormy_away: TOO MANY COOKS! |
| 19:42.26 | OfficerJackal | Anyways. |
| 19:42.26 | Hachiman | "This is stupid" It is only stupid because you do not understand |
| 19:42.30 | Hachiman | Because you were not there |
| 19:42.33 | Technobliterator | Vincent20100, Knight_Alien, you not really helping either way |
| 19:42.34 | Imperios | Alrgiht guys |
| 19:42.35 | Imperios | Please |
| 19:42.42 | Imperios | Can I propose my resolution |
| 19:42.43 | Imperios | Okay? |
| 19:42.44 | Knight_Alien | No one is helping. |
| 19:42.47 | Imperios | Okay? |
| 19:42.48 | Imperios | Please? |
| 19:42.50 | OfficerJackal | Sure. |
| 19:42.55 | Hachiman | No solutions work Imperios |
| 19:42.56 | Technobliterator | You can, Imperios |
| 19:43.03 | Technobliterator | We're all listening |
| 19:43.06 | Hachiman | They have not been working and they will never work |
| 19:43.07 | Knight_Alien | Hachi also I was there. |
| 19:43.11 | Imperios | Now stop throwing profanities and throwing tantrums |
| 19:43.17 | Imperios | And listen |
| 19:43.18 | Wormy_away | This is supposed to be an open chat |
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| 19:44.23 | Imperios | 1) We abstain from fictions that involve a large part of the verse without the consensus of the community - whether they be space opera, political fiction, yaoi love stories, whatever |
| 19:44.53 | Imperios | Consensus of the community as in consensus from the OVERWHELMING majority - 90% or something |
| 19:46.11 | Imperios | 2) We let everyone else do whatever they want within the community as long as the basic themes of SporeWiki are maintained |
| 19:46.35 | Imperios | 3) We start doing productive work |
| 19:46.37 | Imperios | 4) ??? |
| 19:46.41 | Imperios | 5) PROFI |
| 19:46.44 | Imperios | *PROFIT |
| 19:46.53 | Imperios | Is that simple? |
| 19:47.02 | Imperios | Simple enough to be understood? |
| 19:47.11 | Vincent20100 | Thank you Imperios... |
| 19:47.22 | Vincent20100 | (Sincerly) |
| 19:47.30 | Imperios | Now, do all of you agree? |
| 19:47.46 | Technobliterator | I agree, but I'd rather you propsed that in the forum |
| 19:47.52 | OfficerJackal | I didn't really like the included meme there, because it w@znt dunk enuf sKrub, but other then that I agree with yuor idea. |
| 19:48.52 | Vincent20100 | Imper, I have a question for you (I will ask in private) |
| 19:49.02 | Imperios | Rite |
| 19:49.27 | Wormy_away | 1) We need to STOP arguing on subjective terms and recognise we are ALL suffering in some way from this issue |
| 19:49.48 | Wormy_away | 2) We have to take each other's concerns seriously |
| 19:50.05 | Wormy_away | 3 Recognise that we must both put the wiki first with least disruption. This is at least constructive, and while you may not agree on the why's, it is something. |
| 19:50.31 | Wormy_away | BECAUSE, by putting the wiki first, it can benefit us all in the long run# |
| 19:50.54 | Wormy_away | ]The wiki gives us ALL a NEUTRAL ground to work on |
| 19:52.00 | Wormy_away | That is how matters used to be settled on the wiki. It was objective and reasoned. It is how things are decided on Wikipedia (theoretically). Not this silly arguments or polls, but by accepting each others point but posting ideas on an objective wiki based ethic |
| 19:52.25 | Wormy_away | What do you think? |
| 19:53.18 | OfficerJackal | I agree with it, but whenever we try to talk about issues, arguments arise. |
| 19:53.39 | Wormy_away | But no, every time something like this is tried, someone brings up a massive opinionated argument, and people get defensive and feel threatened |
| 19:54.03 | Wormy_away | I think this is one point of disruption we must keep in our heads. |
| 19:54.11 | OfficerJackal | Some people on the wiki, aparrently, hold very strong opinions that conflict with other people's opinions and that causes conflict. |
| 19:54.13 | Wormy_away | think before you post |
| 19:54.46 | Wormy_away | Well, if it gets repetitively disruptive the admins should enforce bans at that point |
| 19:55.01 | Wormy_away | And that applies to us all. |
| 19:55.32 | Wormy_away | If I see more disruptive arguments tonight I will sort it out. |
| 19:55.43 | OfficerJackal | But who would get banned? Almost all arguments on Sporewiki are full of opinions on both sides. |
| 19:55.44 | Wormy_away | I don't care who you are |
| 19:56.14 | OfficerJackal | I mean, unless someone breaks the rules of course like cursing someone out or something along those lines, then it would be clear. |
| 19:56.43 | Wormy_away | Its when people take their opinions to disruptive levels instead of communicating effectively or putting the wiki first. It is unconstructive. I think people know the difference. |
| 19:57.30 | Vincent20100 | Looks like the Ban-Hammer was effectively the solution after all |
| 19:58.10 | OfficerJackal | Hmm, so basically ban the first one who starts to do it? Because when people start doing that, people respond in kind to counter, and then it just snowballs until it spills out on #sporewiki. |
| 20:00.10 | OfficerJackal | Also, another thing to think about is what exactly constitutes an opinion taken to disruptive levels. What that exactly is, is subjective to all the different admins of Sporewiki. |
| 20:00.28 | OfficerJackal | They have different views of it most likely. |
| 20:01.19 | Vincent20100 | And that is without forgetting the admins too can be biased by their opinions |
| 20:01.42 | OfficerJackal | Mhm, people are people. |
| 20:03.53 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 20:04.03 | Hachiman | Are you questioning the competency of the administrative board |
| 20:04.20 | Hachiman | Since when has their bias ever got in the way of how the wiki operates |
| 20:04.45 | Vincent20100 | It can, especially when the ban hammer is in game |
| 20:05.05 | Hachiman | Technobliterator Wormy_away Are you both seeing this |
| 20:05.12 | OfficerJackal | I am just saying, people have different views/ways of thinking and that might influence decisions to some degree. |
| 20:05.13 | OfficerJackal | Like. |
| 20:05.13 | OfficerJackal | That's like saying. |
| 20:05.13 | TekDroid | No one questioned the admins. But everyone, admin or not, is always biased. |
| 20:05.19 | Knight_Alien | Please stop Hachi fighting is not helping. |
| 20:05.20 | Hachiman | I think you need to get back behind that boundry you stepped over |
| 20:05.23 | OfficerJackal | "Oh wow, are you questioning the competency of the United States Government?" |
| 20:06.09 | Vincent20100 | Hachi, take it with pinch of salt. All I said is that we ALL need to watchout |
| 20:06.21 | Hachiman | Yes the admins can be biased and have biased opinions but they have never allowed it to get in the way of formal decisions in regards to the benefits of the wiki |
| 20:06.31 | Technobliterator | Urm, I don't take any of their concerns as insults, really |
| 20:06.32 | Hachiman | If somebody is banned there is a damn good reason for it |
| 20:06.40 | Vincent20100 | See? |
| 20:07.13 | Technobliterator | I think they are fair that they shouldn't blindly accept every word as long as they aren't outright dissenting |
| 20:07.56 | Hachiman | I think they're over-stepping the mark by bringing their competency and trust into question |
| 20:08.22 | TekDroid | To insist the admins are inherently infallible is flawed though. They can make good decisions but sometimes some of them can still be wromg. None of us are questioning ge admins here though. |
| 20:08.27 | Hachiman | But then again that is what happens when people who are inexperienced have no idea of how things are supposed to work |
| 20:08.32 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, I mean when it comes to violating the rules of course they were probably right in banning that certain person. I was just saying, that the admins MIGHT have different views on what exactly is "disruptive opinion" since they are people and people have different views of stuff. I wasn't questioning their abilities as admins or insulting them, just saying that they might have different ideas. |
| 20:09.05 | OfficerJackal | Because, as quoted by a certain 1980's song... |
| 20:09.14 | OfficerJackal | "PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE" *Synth drum beat* |
| 20:09.41 | Technobliterator | Honestly, if the admins were perfect, then I wouldn't have had other admins telling me off earlier when I said I wanted to delete blogspace immediately |
| 20:10.26 | TekDroid | Banning someone just because they disagree with you regardless of context. Neitherside is prefect here. |
| 20:11.03 | TekDroid | *just because they disagree with you is a terrible policy regardless of context |
| 20:11.57 | Technobliterator | TekDroid, none of the admins have suggested banning anyone |
| 20:12.02 | *** part/#sporewiki Knight_Alien (62cebba2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.206.187.162) |
| 20:20.06 | Imperios | Honestly |
| 20:20.12 | Vincent20100 | You know what the Chimpanzees do after a giant querel guys? |
| 20:20.17 | Imperios | I do not see why different people can't work in different directions |
| 20:20.24 | Imperios | Hachiman |
| 20:20.40 | Imperios | We can make stories of our own without even caring about what other people |
| 20:20.45 | Vincent20100 | An days-long orgy... |
| 20:20.46 | Imperios | I even had a few ideas |
| 20:21.00 | Hachiman | I was not implying people be banned for differences in writing style or opinion |
| 20:21.26 | Vincent20100 | We should do the same, and just forgive and forget do fictions togheter |
| 20:22.04 | Hachiman | I was bringing to attention the fact that people were persecuted for refusal for entry in the GigConflicts and conforming to the realpolitik way that the Fictionverse happens to be now and that the newer users do not know it happened thus do not understand and the senior users are treating the veteran users like shit |
| 20:22.17 | Imperios | Hm? |
| 20:22.42 | Imperios | True, I didn't feel persecuted though |
| 20:23.05 | Hachiman | In case you did not read my comment on Cyrannian's forum I am all for blending styles and allowing them to coexist |
| 20:23.15 | Hachiman | But imposing one above all others is wrong and people are doing it |
| 20:23.32 | Hachiman | I was suggesting removing the pople that happen to be doing it |
| 20:23.37 | Hachiman | *people |
| 20:23.43 | Imperios | True |
| 20:23.44 | Imperios | Remove kebab hur |
| 20:24.17 | Vincent20100 | Hachi, without any hate from both of us, explain plz exactly what you mean by an imposed style |
| 20:24.28 | Imperios | I suggest people just try to make projects more low-key |
| 20:24.39 | Hachiman | Do you see anything other than realpolitik in the Fictionverse now |
| 20:24.47 | Imperios | Also what do you think of my idea up above ^ |
| 20:24.53 | Imperios | Hachiman: Change that, make a story of your own style |
| 20:24.57 | Imperios | I in fact had a few ideas |
| 20:25.17 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: Because a fair deal of people like it, that's why they do realpolitik. Like Imperios said, make a story to shake things up a bit. |
| 20:25.29 | Vincent20100 | Again, without any hate from me, I see what you mean, but how is it imposed? |
| 20:25.35 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: Get people interested, excited! |
| 20:25.39 | Imperios | PM me, I can tell you that |
| 20:25.45 | Hachiman | People will not be excited or interested |
| 20:25.52 | OfficerJackal | Why do you say that/ |
| 20:25.54 | OfficerJackal | ?* |
| 20:26.03 | Hachiman | We allowed them influence over the Fictionverse and they will do everything in their power not to change that |
| 20:26.17 | Imperios | Hachiman: I would, people that like that kind of story would |
| 20:26.26 | Hachiman | They will do everything they can to shun and stomp out fiction without non-realpolitik themes |
| 20:26.55 | Hachiman | And people who would be interested have already been driven out by those people and made to feel like they cannot be involved |
| 20:26.56 | Imperios | Hachiman: Eh? |
| 20:26.59 | Imperios | Eh? |
| 20:27.07 | OfficerJackal | Who do you mean by they? I can bet you that most people, even the ones doing realpolitik, would at least show some interested towards any story you make. |
| 20:27.08 | TekDroid | Except Mirus has continued in their style this whole time without any issues. |
| 20:27.09 | Imperios | Now you're making things up |
| 20:27.19 | OfficerJackal | Like, can you name names? |
| 20:27.46 | Hachiman | Monet, Angrybirds/Charles_Murray, DrodoEmpire, TekDroid, drom |
| 20:27.59 | Vincent20100 | Me! :) |
| 20:28.19 | Imperios | ...Right |
| 20:28.40 | Imperios | How exactly do they bully people who don't do their kind of stuff |
| 20:28.44 | OfficerJackal | Hmm... I don't think those users would really try to stomp out any story ideas you have, I think all would show at least some interested if you were to announce a story idea. |
| 20:28.59 | Hachiman | Monet told us to make a separate universe for non-realpolitik stuff |
| 20:29.11 | Imperios | Okay, he is dum |
| 20:29.15 | Hachiman | drom told people that were complaining about realpolitik prominence that they were the ones causing the problem |
| 20:29.17 | Imperios | That cannot do |
| 20:29.27 | Imperios | That is not right |
| 20:29.35 | Imperios | odell, don't do that hur |
| 20:30.16 | Vincent20100 | Wait, these are kinda serious things |
| 20:30.17 | Hachiman | And DrodoEmpire said we "still had Borealis" if we wanted to do non-realpolitik stuff |
| 20:30.31 | Imperios | Hachiman: The first two things are bad |
| 20:30.33 | Hachiman | As in, segregate us away from the rest of the Fictionverse |
| 20:30.37 | Vincent20100 | I kinda want proof |
| 20:30.49 | TekDroid | Do you have any logs of this? I haven't seen any of that. |
| 20:30.54 | Hachiman | They are saved in the logs |
| 20:31.08 | Hachiman | I cannot specify dates but they are saved in the public logs, around a month or two before now |
| 20:31.20 | Imperios | rite |
| 20:31.26 | Imperios | That's bad |
| 20:31.34 | Imperios | odell |
| 20:31.39 | Imperios | And other people who propagated that |
| 20:31.47 | Imperios | I suggest you apologise and refrain from intolerance |
| 20:31.50 | Imperios | Hachiman |
| 20:31.55 | Wormy_away | Back from dinner |
| 20:31.57 | Vincent20100 | I have the impression this started mostly as a misinterpretation |
| 20:32.02 | Hachiman | Do not EVER say that bullying did not occur |
| 20:32.06 | Imperios | I suggest you apologise for throwing tantrums :P |
| 20:32.08 | Hachiman | Because it did |
| 20:32.13 | Wormy_away | I think we all know what disruptive arguments look like. |
| 20:32.29 | Imperios | Like, I can understand your problem, but acting hysterical never helps |
| 20:33.03 | Imperios | Like when I log in and the first thing I see is throwing F-bombs I do not like that] |
| 20:33.15 | Hachiman | I do not like the state of the wiki |
| 20:33.16 | Wormy_away | I am by right of the rules, allowed to kick and block people for a length of time of my choosing who are causing arguments. I can do this before it snowballs. |
| 20:33.19 | Hachiman | But I still have to endure it |
| 20:34.40 | Wormy_away | And it doesn't matter what the content of the opinion is, or the user. That would be subjective. I don't care if you are arguing about moonshine dust. Its an argument, and if don't stop I will enforce the rule. |
| 20:34.44 | Imperios | Ruining other people's days (especially those who are not even responsible for your problems) is not very pleasant |
| 20:36.37 | TekDroid | The problem is that we decided to just drop it last time, and we ended up here again. |
| 20:36.56 | Vincent20100 | I think we really progressed today |
| 20:39.47 | Wormy_away | I'm really not sure if we have. |
| 20:40.17 | OfficerJackal | Well. |
| 20:40.34 | OfficerJackal | I think, at least for me, I've become more informed about the situation. |
| 20:40.41 | OfficerJackal | From this argument,. |
| 20:40.56 | Vincent20100 | Same, and I think the right people talked to the right people |
| 20:42.09 | Wormy_away | OfficerJackal, TekDroid, Vinvent20100: Now lets just be clear here. I was advocating the use of kicks and blocks to end disruptive arguments on IRC regardless of user or opinion. Its not a subjective matter, I think we can tell when an argument is happening. If the warning is not heeded, the rule will have to be enforced. The irony is, I think I was completely misunderstood. |
| 20:43.45 | odell | Imperios: I was distracted slicing my hatred enemies in thousand pieces in MGSR. I'm kinda off the track. Mind? |
| 20:43.46 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 20:44.13 | Wormy_away | Disruption is an objective, wiki-based matter which effects people who do not want or like to argue. It does solve the problem |
| 20:44.26 | Wormy_away | *it does not |
| 20:45.24 | Wormy_away | The point is I think we need to stop arguing on our opinions as I said. They are not solvable. |
| 20:45.51 | Wormy_away | And while we may not entirely agree we can all be in the same boat if we think what is best for the wiki |
| 20:46.44 | Wormy_away | and mitigate for those users who do not have the same consensus or feel limited by it. At least we can all feel we are working together for something |
| 20:47.31 | Wormy_away | And true, nobody ever will fully agree with each other. But we can still avoid opinion based arguments like all of today's |
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| 20:59.51 | dino_ | Well hello there! |
| 20:59.53 | dino_ | Hwo is all dong :D |
| 21:00.23 | Vincent20100 | That is actually a good question Dino... |
| 21:01.17 | dino_ | @Vincent: Oh? |
| 21:01.33 | Vincent20100 | We can't looks at today's log yet |
| 21:02.00 | dino_ | @Vincent: something wrong with the IRC databases? |
| 21:02.28 | Vincent20100 | I don't think so |
| 21:02.38 | Vincent20100 | Or maybe I,m looking at it wrong |
| 21:03.10 | Wormy_away | Hello Dino |
| 21:03.22 | dino_ | hello Wormy! |
| 21:03.36 | dino_ | see you made some updates to keep or archive your blogs :D |
| 21:04.27 | Wormy_away | Yes, do you know we are getting rid of blogs. Do you want any archiving? |
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| 21:05.44 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 21:05.52 | DrodoEmpire | Hi. |
| 21:06.27 | dino_ | @Wormy: I hear you and Jo talking about it yesterday yes. Nah don't think so, as Jo said, if you really want to find a blog back I can just ask, and the time I used a blog has been a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago :D |
| 21:06.30 | dino_ | Drodo! |
| 21:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | Hi. |
| 21:07.16 | dino_ | How are you Drodo! |
| 21:07.22 | DrodoEmpire | Not good. |
| 21:07.53 | dino_ | oh why? |
| 21:07.56 | dino_ | What is gonig on> |
| 21:08.43 | odell | Another dispute. I guess? |
| 21:09.23 | Wormy_away | DrodoEmpire: Did your blog get moved? |
| 21:10.16 | Wormy_away | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:DrodoEmpire/SporeWiki_Fictions_for_Europa_Universalis |
| 21:10.19 | Wormy_away | it did |
| 21:10.28 | TekDroid | https://m.imgur.com/gallery/KEd9Yj8 This one took me a minute. XD |
| 21:11.09 | Wormy_away | huh |
| 21:15.04 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Good to hear |
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| 21:29.24 | dino_ | Xho! |
| 21:29.28 | dino_ | Nice Inquisitor you made :D |
| 21:31.41 | Xho | danke |
| 21:31.59 | dino_ | :d |
| 21:32.34 | dino_ | gern geschehen/bitte schön |
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| 21:39.09 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 21:39.57 | Tybusen | Hello |
| 21:41.40 | dino_ | hello tybusen |
| 21:42.00 | Tybusen | Hai dino |
| 21:42.52 | Xho | I wish I had a piano again |
| 21:43.15 | Hachiman | Thought you said porno for a moment |
| 21:43.28 | Xho | hur |
| 21:43.40 | Xho | Proper pianos are so expensive though |
| 21:43.47 | Xho | An upright is like £3000 - £7000 |
| 21:43.47 | dino_ | @Hachi: Lol! |
| 21:47.12 | Xho | And I don't have space for a grand |
| 21:47.21 | Xho | Grand pianos go into the tens of thousands |
| 21:47.47 | Xho | Most expensive grand piano I've ever seen for sale is like £400,000 |
| 21:50.42 | dino_ | Oh |
| 21:50.47 | dino_ | thats a lot |
| 21:52.39 | Xho | oh u think |
| 22:13.12 | dino_ | Bye bye |
| 22:13.14 | dino_ | have to elave |
| 22:13.16 | dino_ | see ya all next time |
| 22:13.17 | dino_ | :D |
| 22:14.59 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10671324_10154991184385054_2246294874507029081_n.jpg?oh=cd65fa2a8c6fa679ede9948cf13f31ea&oe=5540B72D |
| 22:23.37 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 22:23.37 | infobot | i guess test is not funny |
| 22:33.42 | odell | I fucking hate the BMI errors in MGSR |
| 22:36.52 | Xho | I had an idea for Genies in the Fantasyverse |
| 22:37.08 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 22:37.37 | Xho | Denizens of Hypocrite's Rest that Asv-Aldz thought it humorous to trap in objects and throw into Koldenwelt |
| 22:38.47 | Xho | Well that's not the real idea |
| 22:39.03 | Xho | It was something alluding to Hypocrite's Rest denizens though I can't remember what |
| 22:39.18 | Hachiman | And would they grant wishes? |
| 22:39.23 | Xho | Yeah |
| 22:39.36 | Xho | I imagine you'd get virtuous and jerkass genies in equal quantities |
| 22:39.58 | Xho | What with Asv-Aldz being both helpful and a god-grade douche in unpredictable situations |
| 22:41.44 | Xho | I already have ideas for denizens of Hypocrite's Rest so if anyone has a better idea I'll leave that to them |
| 22:41.59 | Hachiman | Well I currently do not have any better ideas |
| 22:42.08 | Xho | I know you wanted to do Genies |
| 22:42.19 | Hachiman | I would never be able to get around to working on them so feel free |
| 22:42.29 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry if I asked this before, but would people be interested if I made an EUIV mod of Koldenwelt? |
| 22:42.37 | DrodoEmpire | I feel it might be cool to just make the map even |
| 22:42.37 | Xho | I dunno what that is so go ahead |
| 22:42.48 | Hachiman | Feel free |
| 22:42.58 | DrodoEmpire | EUropa Universalis IV; A grand strategy game |
| 22:43.04 | DrodoEmpire | *Europa |
| 22:43.25 | Halopediaman | DrodoEmpire |
| 22:43.29 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 22:43.34 | Halopediaman | Why have you summoned me? |
| 22:43.44 | Xho | The other idea of Hyprocrite's Rest denizens were a demon race called the Repossessors |
| 22:43.48 | DrodoEmpire | You? |
| 22:43.53 | Halopediaman | Me. |
| 22:43.56 | DrodoEmpire | I don't recall. |
| 22:43.58 | DrodoEmpire | When was that? |
| 22:44.00 | TekDroid | Isn't a lot of it unclaimed though? Might make it tricky due to a large number of uncolonized provinces. |
| 22:44.06 | Halopediaman | When you said mod. :P |
| 22:44.06 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:44.12 | DrodoEmpire | That's my concern |
| 22:44.19 | DrodoEmpire | Ah, lol |
| 22:44.32 | Xho | They're basically demonic creatures taking form of mortal races in order to search through Koldenwelt for items that they or Asv-Aldz might consider valuable |
| 22:44.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah I have one on the go but I'll need to get the data from my old computer |
| 22:45.26 | TekDroid | Then again it might also be interesting. Technologically you have much of what you need from natives to late-game. |
| 22:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:49.10 | DrodoEmpire | I may have to introduce abstractions/inaccuracies to actually make it work or enjoyable but it'd be fun |
| 22:49.47 | TekDroid | I'd reduce the tech benefits to compensate for the drastic gaps and magic. Or maybe rebalanc tech groups so each is similar unit strength at start. |
| 22:49.58 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:50.13 | DrodoEmpire | Both maybe a good idea. |
| 22:50.17 | DrodoEmpire | *may be |
| 22:51.10 | TekDroid | Hardest part with a fantasy mid us compensating for the effect of magic. |
| 22:51.15 | TekDroid | *mod |
| 22:51.15 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:51.27 | Halopediaman | I am resummoned |
| 22:51.38 | Halopediaman | What is thy wish, TekDroid? |
| 22:51.46 | DrodoEmpire | Simple events wouldn't do enough, really. Maybe add diplomatic interactions or something similar that fires events in other countries? |
| 22:51.59 | DrodoEmpire | For some nations |
| 22:52.01 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure |
| 22:53.44 | TekDroid | You'd have to balance industrial and tribal in the same area. |
| 22:53.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:54.21 | DrodoEmpire | BNW'verse would be the perfect candidate for this type of thing but I'd rather wait until more of the map's revealed and more nations are on the map |
| 22:54.42 | TekDroid | Indeed. |
| 22:55.09 | DrodoEmpire | We should also encourage development in BNW'East Asia |
| 22:55.14 | DrodoEmpire | Where the Zi are at and whatnot |
| 22:56.42 | TekDroid | One thing I want to try is a mod like that for Victoria 2. It's imperialism is good for rapid expansion. |
| 23:03.40 | TekDroid | BNW would definitely make a good EUIV mod though. |
| 23:03.46 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:04.13 | Tybusen | Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEaeKarjw0 Look at what I made |
| 23:04.39 | Hachiman | Brilliant |
| 23:04.40 | TekDroid | Also maybe ETW if we did it right |
| 23:04.56 | Hachiman | Space Jam theme goes with pretty much everything |
| 23:05.59 | Tybusen | It's actually not quite as simple as slapping it on, but with a little work it can make anything glorious |
| 23:06.55 | Hachiman | Needs Sporewiki Jam |
| 23:06.55 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Yeah, its possible |
| 23:07.37 | TekDroid | It'd need lots of native factions. XD |
| 23:09.12 | Hachiman | Tybusen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwv_2OKxZr8 I still cannot get over this |
| 23:09.12 | DrodoEmpire | ^^^^^^ |
| 23:09.41 | odell | Noticed this in MGSR. http://i.imgur.com/NHc1JOy.jpg |
| 23:10.01 | Tybusen | Hachiman: That is probably the best video editing I've ever seen in a Slam Jam ever |
| 23:10.43 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 23:13.47 | Hachiman | Also Stardust Crusaders returns in January 2015 |
| 23:13.53 | Tybusen | nice |
| 23:13.54 | Hachiman | Words cannot describe my excitement |
| 23:14.04 | Tybusen | I still need to catch up on JoJo |
| 23:14.09 | Hachiman | They are finally getting to the final arc |
| 23:14.17 | Hachiman | Well that is the final arc of Stardust Crusaders |
| 23:14.29 | Tybusen | I've been too busy lately and one of my weeaboo friends has been pressing me to watch Steins;gate |
| 23:14.59 | odell | Xho: http://puu.sh/dMye4.png |
| 23:15.12 | Hachiman | I am hoping they will proceed to do Part IV: Diamond Is Unbreakable / Diamond Is Not Crash |
| 23:18.38 | Xho | odell: Jesus |
| 23:19.21 | odell | Could've been Nu doing an anal. |
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| 23:25.24 | Wormy_away | Xho: I loved this bit http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198054095784/screenshot/548643366322099314 |
| 23:25.36 | Xho | Never played that one |
| 23:25.49 | Xho | Or that part of the game which I think is an expansion |
| 23:25.58 | Wormy_away | Just plain AC II |
| 23:26.02 | Xho | Hm |
| 23:26.05 | Xho | I don't remember it then hur |
| 23:26.30 | Wormy_away | Its the bit where the bloke get put on the stake but Ezio puts him out of his misery |
| 23:26.54 | Xho | Nope, no recollection |
| 23:27.00 | Xho | It's been years since I played AC II |
| 23:40.46 | Wormy_ | I had to look twice at the Repossessor's maw |
| 23:41.17 | Xho | Repossessor - #deemun |
| 23:49.10 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Repossessor There we go |
| 23:51.01 | Xho | F5 pls |
| 23:54.19 | Wormy_ | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap141228.html |
| 23:55.49 | Hachiman | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Angels_of_the_Hunting_Isle#Drake_of_Flames and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Angels_of_the_Hunting_Isle#Petroatragal |
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