| 00:14.36 | TekDroid | >.< I've been in line so long fir my sandwich that the rest of my food is cold. |
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| 00:25.53 | GD12 | Hi |
| 00:26.31 | Monet | Hi |
| 00:28.41 | GD12 | I swear I was thinking of something |
| 00:32.04 | odell | Monet: I can agree that good vs evil trope is overused and has been done so far it should've been dead long time ago. But yet it's a natural concept, so it can never die. |
| 00:34.03 | Monet | I disagree since I can't tell what aspects that exist beyond human society and perception can easily be defined as either good or evil |
| 00:34.26 | Monet | I consider it a social concept. A way for two sides to rationalise who is better. |
| 00:35.32 | Monet | And a way to inforce social norms. |
| 00:37.18 | Monet | Cannibalism = evil, altrusim = good. I consider the lifespan of the universe, the life and death of stars and the great cycles as either devoid of or beyond good and evil. A supernova may be destructive ,but it also allows new life to bloom. |
| 00:38.49 | Monet | I think good and evil are natural in thesense that the idea helps develop social policies. Good things promote prosperity, bad things are detrimental (but sometimes it can be the inverse) |
| 00:40.22 | Monet | Athough I do agree that balance and conflict between two forces is natural. |
| 00:40.27 | TekDroid | There's also a some blurry general areas. For instance doing good to evil may be considered bad, and doing evil to evil can often be good. |
| 00:41.48 | TekDroid | I'd say good/evil is less beneficial/deterimental and more benefit group vs benefit self |
| 00:42.28 | odell | Evil is usually a word that can easily polarise someone's view to "bad". |
| 00:42.44 | Monet | odell: It's a meme. |
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| 00:43.48 | odell | Evil doesn't mean that it has to have to be bad. It can actually provide to be benetifical or helpfull for a certain group. |
| 00:45.01 | Monet | But calling it evil can polarise it as bad. |
| 00:45.25 | Tek0516 | I'd say fundamentally good/evil comes down to agrees/disagrees with your ideology. |
| 00:45.46 | odell | For one, like you said, it reinforces social policies. And it there are a group of factors, too many to state and does vary on the situation. |
| 00:45.49 | Monet | Tek0516: I can understand that |
| 00:46.28 | Tek0516 | Like how two polar opposite ideologies would consider themselves good and the other evil. |
| 00:46.51 | Tek0516 | Capitalist/communist being an example |
| 00:46.53 | odell | I find that certain words can be automatically translated to "evil" and "good". Depending on the sentence. |
| 00:47.16 | Monet | It's easy to see how the side that doesn't agree with you is either seen as stupid, misunderstood or wrong. |
| 00:48.43 | Monet | Tek0516: The Cold War is a great example |
| 00:48.52 | Tek0516 | Yeah. |
| 00:49.55 | Monet | Communism has less of a bad rep in Europe, strangely. |
| 00:49.58 | odell | Speaking of politics. http://i.imgur.com/UtnRYUx.png |
| 00:51.05 | Tek0516 | Think last time I took one I was somewhere around Liberalism or Acrivism on that. |
| 00:51.33 | Monet | Although It's interesting that the countries that wer right next door to the USSR and on the other side of the Iron Curtain are less paranoid of Communism than the USSR's biggest rival. |
| 00:53.04 | Monet | A few years ago there was a report on BBC TV of recently-found invasion plans the USSR had made for the UK. |
| 00:53.42 | Tek0516 | Perhaps because those countries have been a lot more connected and the US has the advantage of being distantly isolated and thus easier to reinforce the us and them. |
| 00:55.04 | Tek0516 | There's also the fact Europe has overall been more liberal and/or socialist than the US, leaving a smaller ideological gap compared to the still rather conservative US. |
| 00:56.16 | Monet | Maybe there was some bleedthough of socialist ideas? Meanwhile by having the Atlantic and Pacific between it, the US militantly isolated itself |
| 00:56.24 | Monet | to COmmunist influence |
| 00:57.23 | Monet | Europe spent the entire period in the shadow of Russian missiles. The US freaked out when Russia tried installing missiles on Cuba. |
| 00:57.51 | Tek0516 | Even looking at Germany which after reunification was half and half, there had to be lots of bleedthrough. |
| 00:59.16 | Monet | I suppose to the COld War era States, this bleedthough was taking over Euroep from the inside. |
| 01:00.06 | Tek0516 | After the war too, US is still extremely paranoid and xenophobic. |
| 01:00.27 | Monet | Even after most of Russia itself despises what it was. |
| 01:02.13 | Monet | I have noticed a severe and very deep "wound" (if we could call it that, it has conotations of its own) in US culture. |
| 01:03.04 | Monet | The USSR and Josef Stalin may be dead, but the fear of the concept lives on. |
| 01:04.00 | odell | I've took the survey. I stand on the Democratic Socialism. |
| 01:04.45 | Monet | As far as I can tell, many of socialism's detractors associate it with Stalin's regime. |
| 01:05.29 | Tek0516 | Yeah. |
| 01:06.27 | Monet | A number of these detractors may not realise there are differences between Marxism, Socialism, COmmunism and Stalinism. |
| 01:06.34 | Tek0516 | Though USSR would really be considered more a dictatorship than any sort of proper communist state. |
| 01:06.58 | odell | (still about the survey) http://i.imgur.com/eqQrqVV.png |
| 01:07.08 | Monet | It like the modern "Democratic Republics" of Africa and Asia |
| 01:07.16 | odell | US have had a history of racial centralism too. |
| 01:08.56 | Monet | odell: Yeah. Look at the recent cop-related court cases. |
| 01:09.42 | odell | Specially New York. |
| 01:09.50 | Tek0516 | This was my result several months ago: http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?Farengeto=-0.3%2C-1.6<div%20style= |
| 01:11.13 | Monet | I can only recall one race-related case of race-related police brutality in the UK that reached national television in the past three years. |
| 01:12.08 | Tek0516 | The media has been making it a race issue even when it isn't necessarily. |
| 01:13.23 | odell | I can also recall a police shooting case. Which resulted the neighborhood go nuts and molotov-bomb cars. |
| 01:13.23 | Tek0516 | And even with the cases being entirely different circumstances it's still drawn along racial lines. |
| 01:13.36 | odell | Here, in Sweden. |
| 01:13.37 | Monet | Have any of the cops been declared guilty? |
| 01:14.12 | Tek0516 | I know the two cases aren't even going to trial. |
| 01:14.28 | odell | Hm. I can't recall. |
| 01:14.40 | Tek0516 | I forget the term. |
| 01:14.56 | Monet | I know the Ferguson trial ended in a declaration of "not guilty" and the townspeope lwent nuts despite pleas from the boy's parents and the president to kee pthe protests nonviolent |
| 01:15.44 | odell | But the man held a woman hostage in her apartment and spat out threats with a knife. The picket killed him when they broke into the flat. |
| 01:15.46 | Tek0516 | Monet: not even not guilty, wasn't even indicted. |
| 01:17.17 | odell | A neighborhood going nuts for the death of a psychopath? Brilliant, society. BRILLIANT. |
| 01:17.50 | Monet | "It's perfectly okay because he was nasty" |
| 01:17.50 | Tek0516 | Though given that the kid had commited robbery and had strugled with the officer in the car including grabbing his gun, and was proven to have moved a significant distance towards the cop when he was shot, I'm inclined to support the police in Ferguson. |
| 01:18.31 | Monet | Psychopath or not, its still killing a human being |
| 01:19.35 | odell | Monet: I understand the point. But people doesn't seem to understand that the police career is lot more dangerous than their office and grocery store jobs. |
| 01:20.11 | Monet | It's a very stressful job |
| 01:20.24 | Tek0516 | What I meant by that though there was evidence he had been struggling with the officer, including attempting to grab his gun I believe the evidence indicated. |
| 01:20.59 | Monet | Stress and a trigger are never a good combination. |
| 01:22.21 | Monet | I think it's a very real issue that nerves and sudden movements have turned tense holdups into shootouts and death. |
| 01:22.48 | Monet | It's that base instinct buried deep in our brains; when danger is present is it kill or be killed? |
| 01:28.10 | odell | Even if we are sentient and intelligent creatures. But one of the things that makes us "human" are the instincts. |
| 01:28.52 | odell | And instincts are important for our surivial. |
| 01:29.58 | odell | Police officer killed by a psychopath -> no one bats an eye |
| 01:30.09 | odell | Vice versa -> everyone loses their minds |
| 01:31.03 | Monet | Its probably that notion of good and evil |
| 01:31.09 | odell | Same thing, but not the same shit. |
| 01:31.11 | Monet | Cop = good, psychopath = evil. |
| 01:31.17 | Tek0516 | Odell: Whether there's racial differences also changes it. |
| 01:33.37 | Monet | It may be that the idea of good and evil only persists as it does because of how easy it must seem to divide an argument into a good and a bad side. |
| 01:33.55 | Monet | Old habits die hard |
| 01:35.11 | Monet | And it's quite normal to expose children to the idea of good and evil - when we are young, ideas imprinted on us can persis without us realising it. |
| 01:35.22 | Monet | persist* |
| 01:35.35 | Monet | What may be a social construct feels like the natural order of things. |
| 01:36.31 | Tek0516 | http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.50&soc=-0.77 Here's me in the middle. XD |
| 01:36.44 | odell | It's natural. It's a part of the [natural] selection of whatever is right and wrong for the situation. |
| 01:37.17 | odell | Tek0516: You're on left. *raises pitchfork* |
| 01:37.25 | odell | right* |
| 01:37.54 | Tek0516 | http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?Old=-0.3%2C-1.6&New=0.5%2C-0.8 This is now compared to at least several months ago. http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?Old=-0.3%2C-1.6&New=0.5%2C-0.8 |
| 01:37.57 | Monet | Problem is not every idea is right for every situation. |
| 01:37.59 | Tek0516 | Whoops |
| 01:38.37 | odell | That's why it's bascially a natural selection of natural selections. |
| 01:38.42 | Tek0516 | I tend to however between +/- on the left/right scale. |
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| 01:39.05 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 01:39.10 | Dazel | Hi! |
| 01:39.13 | Dazel | I can't actually stay. |
| 01:39.20 | Dazel | Hexchat opened on accident. :I |
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| 01:39.28 | odell | lol |
| 01:39.46 | Tek0516 | *+/-1 |
| 01:40.35 | Monet | That's my concern with the US and its ake on Socialism |
| 01:40.44 | odell | I usually quickly adapt my opinions and view to the situation in a way that makes me feel whichever is right. |
| 01:41.37 | odell | So this took me circa 30 min. But worth it, I guess. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Nomatari_Sovereignty#Cold_War |
| 01:42.53 | Monet | Many in the American right overlook the health benefits of socialised medicine because of the memetic idea that it's one of the steps towards a Stalinist regime. |
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| 01:43.11 | odell | Rejoice! |
| 01:44.24 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 01:45.04 | Monet | thing is the UK has had a socialised healthcare system since 1948 and so far the closest it has come to a mini USSR is having the highest number of CCTV cameras in Europe. |
| 01:46.15 | Monet | Other than that, the UK is more like the USA rather than the USSR. |
| 01:47.03 | Tek0516 | Pretty much every bit of Socialism you hear the US freaking out about in the US we've had here in Canada for decades. |
| 01:48.10 | Monet | I guess Karl Marx could have been right about one thing - Socialism is a state of progression. |
| 01:48.39 | Monet | I'm guessing the closest Canada had to Soviet influence is a close connection to the UK. |
| 01:49.05 | Monet | SInce it's deep within NATO's and the US's sphere of influence. |
| 01:49.35 | Tek0516 | Socialized health care, gay marriage, all of that is a given just a bit north of the US. And if anything I believe our country to be more free and we're certainly not on the brink of social collapse for socialism. |
| 01:50.51 | Tek0516 | I think during the cold war for the most part Canada was America's early warning system, given that a lot of the USSR ICBMs would be fired over the poles. |
| 01:52.39 | Tek0516 | But given that acts like medicare were introduced then we certainly weren't as paranoid. |
| 01:53.46 | Tek0516 | We have a full socialist party as the official opposition right now and noone really even bats an eye at that fact. |
| 01:54.24 | Tek0516 | (Feel free to correct me on anything Drodo. :P) |
| 01:55.02 | Monet | I've talked to one guy who thinks the US is better off without "Obamacare". He told me a story about how since under the ACA doctors risk getting their medical licenses revoked for performing unpaid healthcare services As a result, a number of doctors emigrated. |
| 01:56.15 | Tek0516 | I'm not even sure how that license thing makes sense... |
| 01:56.33 | Monet | A doctor's license? |
| 01:56.48 | Monet | Or that it could get revoked for offering free healthcare to the uninsured? |
| 01:57.51 | Tek0516 | So doctors would lose their license for free care to uninsured? |
| 01:57.58 | Tek0516 | That seems... odd. |
| 02:00.10 | Monet | He was a staunch republican and anti-commnist so I don't know if this story is even true |
| 02:00.26 | Monet | He was using anecdote as to why he hated socialised medicine |
| 02:00.34 | Tek0516 | Probably not, that sounds like a very odd condition. |
| 02:01.41 | Monet | I suppose it could encourage people to get insurance. |
| 02:02.42 | Charles_Murray | Tek0516 : What kind of naming scheme would Roreinia and Farengeto apply to the C-41 A3 AF? |
| 02:04.55 | Tek0516 | Farengeto would be T-F[insert unused two digit number] |
| 02:06.13 | odell | Eh. I'm certain that this new relations system will work all fine. |
| 02:07.24 | odell | I have to get some sleep. It's 3:00 at night here already. |
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| 07:10.57 | Tybusen | Hai buni |
| 07:10.58 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 07:11.31 | Hachiman | If you're like fat or obese does that mean there is a higher chance of catching sunburn since there is more of you on show |
| 07:11.53 | Tybusen | I don't think that's how sunburn works |
| 07:12.00 | DrodoEmpire | Hey hachi |
| 07:12.19 | Tybusen | Well actually I suppose so but literally any exposed skin can earn you a sunburn |
| 07:12.52 | Hachiman | But does that mean fat people get more sunburn than others |
| 07:13.03 | Tybusen | A naked thin guy is just as likely to catch a burn as a clothed big guy if the same amount of skin is exposed |
| 07:13.25 | Tybusen | I don't think fat people are necessarily more likely to get sunburnt |
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| 10:16.47 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 10:16.54 | OluapPlayer | ohi |
| 10:17.00 | OluapPlayer | u ready for stuph |
| 10:17.25 | AdmiralPanda | is Hachi a perv? |
| 10:17.27 | Hachiman | yeh |
| 10:17.34 | Hachiman | i meen noh |
| 10:17.46 | OluapPlayer | Imp is gonna be late today and said we should start without him |
| 10:17.50 | OluapPlayer | And dats what we're doin |
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| 10:57.14 | Hachiman | ~give Ghelae a cookie |
| 10:57.15 | infobot | ACTION gives Ghelae a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
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| 10:57.53 | Ghelae | ~give Hachiman a cookie |
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| 12:38.22 | dinoman | hello wodell |
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| 13:05.14 | Wormy_ | Decembeard? I've had a beard since LAST December |
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| 13:26.01 | Hachiman | Hey Imp, Dino |
| 13:29.14 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 13:29.35 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman OluapPlayer AdmiralPanda: You may start D&D without me, I'll join later |
| 13:29.49 | AdmiralPanda | ImpyDroid is slowpoke |
| 13:29.52 | AdmiralPanda | 100% confirmed |
| 13:30.03 | ImpyDroid | Eh? |
| 13:30.10 | OluapPlayer | The session's been going for 3 hours already |
| 13:30.11 | AdmiralPanda | We started so long ago I'm already at passing out point :P |
| 13:30.37 | ImpyDroid | How does that make me a slowpoke? It's not like I could be aware of that |
| 13:30.43 | TekDroid | Alright then, time for my linear algebra exam. Later! |
| 13:37.25 | ImpyDroid | Anyway right |
| 13:38.15 | ImpyDroid | bye |
| 14:01.12 | Wormy_ | Hachiman, Technobliterator: Remember that wiki? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:188942 |
| 14:01.16 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:01.25 | Hachiman | Of course I do |
| 14:01.27 | Hachiman | It's a nightmare |
| 14:02.12 | Wormy_ | I don't seriously want an interwiki link |
| 14:02.22 | Wormy_ | Especially not now |
| 14:04.12 | Wormy_ | You know I fear most wikia wikis no longer follow up to the standards or respect what a wiki is |
| 14:04.20 | Wormy_ | They have become blogospheres |
| 14:04.39 | Wormy_ | Understandingly, it brings wikia more money from advertisers |
| 14:04.52 | Wormy_ | But I've seen the change |
| 14:05.18 | Wormy_ | That user has absolutely no understanding so that even simply policies are not heard about |
| 14:07.34 | Wormy_ | http://sporerevolution.wikia.com/wiki/Steve |
| 14:07.36 | OluapPlayer | Replying to an August post |
| 14:07.38 | OluapPlayer | Dude's a dumb |
| 14:09.41 | Wormy_ | Happens a lot now |
| 14:15.49 | Wormy_ | They can keep their dirty blogosphere away |
| 14:18.21 | dinoman | Don't threaten Wormy! Go Wormy! |
| 14:19.01 | Hachiman | hur |
| 14:19.54 | OluapPlayer | Oh my god that Steve |
| 14:20.00 | OluapPlayer | That's fucking gross |
| 14:20.14 | Wormy_away | Her boobs are stretched |
| 14:20.23 | odell | What. The. Fuck. Is. That? |
| 14:20.42 | OluapPlayer | They look like tumours |
| 14:21.38 | Hachiman | WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT |
| 14:21.49 | Hachiman | WHAT AM I LOOKING AT AND WHY |
| 14:22.43 | Wormy_away | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:188942#7 |
| 14:22.49 | Wormy_away | It is exactly what you meant |
| 14:23.38 | Wormy_away | Don't blame other users for your wiki's shitty management |
| 14:24.09 | Hachiman | We have three users here who can make better breasts in Spore than anybody on that wiki can |
| 14:24.14 | Hachiman | We're automatically better by default |
| 14:24.42 | Wormy_away | Anatomically correct for a start |
| 14:24.51 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:25.30 | Technobliterator | Wormy_away, not really |
| 14:26.02 | Wormy_away | Isn't it the same wiki that was copying stuff from ours? |
| 14:26.18 | Wormy_away | You probably blotted it from your mind lol |
| 14:26.44 | Hachiman | I don't think it is |
| 14:30.03 | odell | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.20 | odell | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.24 | Hachiman | I've also seen the humour on that site |
| 14:32.28 | Hachiman | Full of randumb and maymays |
| 14:34.37 | Technobliterator | I replied to him |
| 14:40.18 | OluapPlayer | ebic mimis |
| 14:40.33 | odell | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.22 | Technobliterator | ... |
| 14:41.24 | Technobliterator | his response |
| 14:41.26 | Technobliterator | "Meh." |
| 14:42.31 | OluapPlayer | Stop talking to him |
| 14:42.55 | Hachiman | Banhammer pls |
| 14:42.59 | Technobliterator | I'm just going to drop a blockwarning on his page then ignore him |
| 14:43.33 | odell | I'd block instead. |
| 14:44.26 | Technobliterator | You don't block for a first offense, unless it's a bad faith edit |
| 14:44.31 | Hachiman | He's an immature fuckwad |
| 14:44.59 | odell | Fair enough. |
| 14:46.56 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:192466 there ew go |
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| 14:52.23 | odell | Damn. I gotta EAW |
| 14:52.27 | odell | love EAW* |
| 14:54.05 | odell | One of the empires, IAE, has got this beauty. http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/eaw/5/5b/GV11-Sumno_SH-HT_A4.PNG |
| 14:55.48 | Hachiman | EAW? |
| 14:56.20 | odell | Too bad that EAW is dead. |
| 15:03.48 | Wormy_away | Technobliterator: I say let their wiki fail, if they want to be isolationist and they can't embrace new users or ideas then so be it |
| 15:04.05 | Technobliterator | That appears to be their attitude |
| 15:04.15 | Technobliterator | My problem isn't that, my problem is that they are whining about it on our wiki |
| 15:05.43 | Wormy_away | yes |
| 15:06.27 | Wormy_away | It was very gracious of us to even give advice |
| 15:07.11 | Hollypediaman | Oh man |
| 15:07.15 | Hollypediaman | Wiki politics |
| 15:14.28 | odell | Still better politics than EU and America. |
| 15:15.30 | Vincent20100 | NSA: Mr. Odell, we have some questions for you, please follow us. |
| 15:16.02 | Vincent20100 | NSA: We have evidence that you are a Commie-Nazie-Jew-Terrorists. |
| 15:19.46 | Hollypediaman | Now now Vincent20100 |
| 15:20.06 | Hollypediaman | if odell is of the EU, which I suspect as it was listed first, then it's a CIA matter. |
| 15:20.32 | Wormy_away | calls Interpol |
| 15:22.19 | Vincent20100 | See? HE lives in Sweden. |
| 15:22.33 | Vincent20100 | He is clearly a Soviet sleeping agent! |
| 15:23.07 | Vincent20100 | And he eat kittens! |
| 15:23.17 | Hollypediaman | Unforgivable crimes |
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| 16:11.07 | Wormy_away | I still love this http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9310/stress101251l.jpg |
| 16:13.02 | TekDroid | 2 down, 3 to go. |
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| 16:17.45 | TekDroid | I'm done with linear algebra at least |
| 16:21.51 | odell | Screw politics. |
| 16:22.36 | odell | I rather to die than to getting my ass Americanized. |
| 16:23.26 | Wormy_away | *arse Americanised |
| 16:23.56 | Wormy_away | You may have noticed my refusal to use "z" on the wiki |
| 16:24.23 | odell | Zcrew your ztupid rulez. |
| 16:24.36 | TekDroid | builds a wall on the Canadian border to keep the Americans out |
| 16:26.19 | TekDroid | I prefer UK to US. :P |
| 16:28.10 | odell | I finished building this beauty. Now it just needs to be painted. http://i.imgur.com/HlPhYZc.png |
| 16:35.02 | TekDroid | Cool |
| 16:38.26 | TekDroid | Brb |
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| 16:57.13 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 16:58.27 | Wormy_away | TekDroid: Commonwealth brofist |
| 17:03.23 | Wormy_away | is not surprised http://phys.org/news/2014-12-chickens-turkeys-closer-dinosaur-ancestors.html |
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| 17:14.59 | TekDroid | A news headline confused me for a moment because it started with "12th doctor". XD |
| 17:25.50 | Wormy_ | Richard Dawkins irritated by irrationality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKe4fshETQ4 |
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| 17:27.41 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 17:28.20 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10805711_530311857097717_2081784919038166380_n.jpg?oh=22e12bfa74f89414e111435b02ac33b1&oe=54FAA1A3&__gda__=1430149147_d709f3ba7c324b3e71ad157713a2673e |
| 17:30.52 | TekDroid | https://m.imgur.com/gallery/GNPBAEM This is actually a serious problem up here. XD |
| 17:33.00 | Wormy_ | That video rose my blood pressure |
| 17:34.14 | Wormy_ | Deepok Chopra says atoms have sentience and claimed Freeman Dyson said it. Richad Dawkins demands where he got his quiote from and couldn't answer. But his brainwashed crowds of idiots cheer |
| 17:34.58 | Wormy_ | I fear the age of reason is coming to an end |
| 17:35.50 | TekDroid | ... |
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| 17:37.21 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 17:37.22 | Wormy_ | Postmodernists and social justice warriors with their coercive tactics and anti-science. Environmentalists peddling an anti-progress movement. Creationists gaining the favour of schools. Education going out the window. Poor funding for science. More money goes to fucking dog grooming than nuclear fusion and cancer research |
| 17:38.03 | Wormy_ | Nobody dreams anymore |
| 17:38.14 | Wormy_ | They just care about the next stupid ipod |
| 17:40.12 | odell | ngh, naming gotta be one of the worst things |
| 17:40.17 | odell | it's like a torture |
| 17:41.00 | TekDroid | 95% of named things in my fiction were pulled out of a random nsme generator. |
| 17:41.48 | odell | https://imgur.com/gallery/ZjNZIyD |
| 17:42.07 | TekDroid | But I agree Wormy, and it is extremely frustrating. |
| 17:42.11 | odell | It's more of a ride to hell if you have to find a username, specially spore screen names |
| 17:43.39 | TekDroid | Tek0516 came from an account that I didn't even remember I had until I got an email involving it. XD My former was themed so this one took over. |
| 17:45.16 | TekDroid | Nowadays I've switched to Farengeto since the name is gibberish. XD |
| 17:46.08 | odell | I probably will use my very first name (Robin) and mix it a little with anime and japanese. |
| 17:47.35 | Hollypediaman | Every part of that image is great odell |
| 17:52.18 | odell | "rybjin" |
| 17:55.43 | Wormy_away | https://twitter.com/fyoudbag/status/543033682173235200/photo/1 |
| 17:55.43 | odell | A cosplayer as Dalek when winning Heroes of Cosplay's "Best in Show": "Nobody will be -exterminated- tonight." |
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| 18:41.48 | Knight_Alien | Hello |
| 18:46.31 | Vincent20100 | Hey Knight |
| 19:28.27 | odell | I cannot wait to get back to my desktop. So I can make it more sexier. http://i.imgur.com/Yg6udeW.png |
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| 19:34.04 | odell | Gotta admit that I pimped it too much. |
| 19:34.56 | TekDroid | Oh my. |
| 19:44.50 | Charles_Murray | What. |
| 19:44.51 | Charles_Murray | Is that. |
| 19:45.50 | Charles_Murray | Artillery? |
| 19:46.31 | odell | Well. Hard to say. |
| 19:46.48 | odell | Since I've only saved it as <race> Super |
| 19:47.57 | Charles_Murray | It looks like an arty piece to me, since the fact that it needs a turret to be a tank, and the gun is WAAAAY to big to make it a tank destroyer. |
| 19:48.28 | odell | By the way, it was mostly a study. And attempt to find a fitting style for the Nomatarians |
| 19:50.20 | odell | Same Nomatarian military equipment piece. http://i.imgur.com/HlPhYZc.png it fired homing energy projectiles to destroy aerospace and fast moving vehicles. |
| 19:50.49 | odell | Currently unpainted due to low graphics and artpass study. |
| 19:56.23 | OluapPlayer | Technobliterator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSduMQInuE |
| 19:59.27 | Technobliterator | sec |
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| 20:00.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone\ |
| 20:00.51 | odell | Hello. |
| 20:01.04 | odell | Nomatarians are more or less around Tier 1 |
| 20:03.00 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 20:08.24 | Charles_Murray | odell: I personally think that might be a -bit- too powerful for a brand new fiction. |
| 20:08.46 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 20:08.51 | DrodoEmpire | It really is. |
| 20:12.15 | Wormy_away | Its best to hover around Tier 2, with the hyperspatial revolution, everyone can be closer to equal footing |
| 20:12.48 | Wormy_away | Or at least somewhere between Tier 3 and high tier 2 |
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| 20:19.25 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 20:20.01 | odell | Well. It's a de facto statement. |
| 20:25.04 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Warfare - Added a bunch of glossary entries and started work on the Artillery section (which still needs a lot of work) |
| 20:25.53 | DrodoEmpire | I'd appreciate it if people could add Space weapon glossary terms |
| 20:30.08 | odell | Privateer |
| 20:30.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 20:34.29 | odell | Privateers can actually play as a role in the wars. |
| 20:35.21 | odell | For one, it's basically a private/independent ship with crew whose authorized by a government to pest their enemies as pirates. |
| 20:35.57 | odell | In order to gain profit from attacking trade conveys, and blame it on pirates. |
| 20:37.10 | odell | And the other, board and conquer ships as their own. Which can be later sold to their authorized officals. Without raising any suspicion. |
| 20:38.30 | DrodoEmpire | Right, right. |
| 20:40.14 | odell | Even if it's not yet popular or even used in Fictionverse so far. It might be a good idea to add it to the glossary. So we will be more certain of the possible choices. |
| 20:40.50 | Monet | Maybe we could add other things like magnetic cannons, ion cannons, vortex torpedoes etc |
| 20:41.30 | DrodoEmpire | Then by all means please do; This *is* a collaberative project |
| 20:42.18 | odell | I'll do. But I wonder in which category it should fall in. |
| 20:42.46 | DrodoEmpire | I added two new categories to the glossary; "Space Weapons" and "Space Warfare" |
| 20:43.01 | DrodoEmpire | Privateers would fall into "Space Warfare" |
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| 20:49.47 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 20:49.56 | GD12 | Hello |
| 20:50.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hey GD |
| 20:51.09 | GD12 | DrodoEmpire : If you're not editing right now I might add some stuff to the military section |
| 20:51.30 | DrodoEmpire | On the Warfare page? |
| 20:51.44 | odell | Monet GD12: I've added a glossary term, expect an editing error. |
| 20:52.02 | GD12 | yeh |
| 20:52.14 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
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| 20:52.24 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:52.30 | Wormy_away | I'll add some stuff about space warfare, relativistic tactics, hyperspatial weaponry, alien strategy, warfog, etc |
| 20:52.36 | Wormy_away | memetic warfare even |
| 20:52.38 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 20:53.15 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy_ Alright, place that under "Higher-Scope warfare" |
| 20:53.27 | Wormy_ | okay |
| 20:53.34 | DrodoEmpire | Or for some place it under a new section; "Exotic/Alien Warfare" perhaps |
| 20:53.58 | GD12 | I think Higher-Scope warfare is good |
| 20:54.12 | GD12 | *place to put in under |
| 20:54.29 | GD12 | So Relatavistic Tactics and Hyperspatial Weaponry would fit very well under there |
| 20:55.00 | Wormy_ | indeed |
| 20:55.05 | Monet | "alien warfare" might be a tad from-one-viewpoint. |
| 20:55.17 | GD12 | When I wrote up the summary of that section I used the DCP-DT conflicts as an explicit refernece |
| 20:55.20 | Wormy_ | I won't add it tonight, as I'm trying to dissciplin a wiki break |
| 20:55.51 | Monet | Depending on what, we humans might do stuff in war that aliens consider "alien" |
| 20:56.00 | GD12 | ^ |
| 20:56.16 | Monet | Exotic would be a better term. |
| 20:56.35 | Wormy_ | Monet has a point |
| 20:57.08 | Ghelae | What sort of things would it include? Without knowing exactly what the content of that section is, we can't really classify it. |
| 20:57.18 | Wormy_ | I imagine warfare is similar between likeminded species on similar environments |
| 20:57.36 | DrodoEmpire | "Exotic" warfare would likely include Memetic Warfare, use of nanomachines; Things that aren't often seen |
| 20:57.39 | GD12 | High-Scope warfare = High Tier 2 and more advanced warfare |
| 20:58.38 | Wormy_ | Thing is even things like nanowarfare can resemble normal warfare |
| 20:58.48 | Wormy_ | in terms of rules |
| 20:59.08 | GD12 | I think nanowarfare would be pretty mainstream |
| 20:59.10 | DrodoEmpire | Well yes but obviously they have there own niche and uses; Nanomachines certainly are not conventional |
| 20:59.13 | Wormy_ | You could have a symmetric war between blue goo and grey goo |
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| 20:59.43 | GD12 | I think nanomachines would be conventional, even in the gist of acting as support units as oppsoed to full fledged grey goo things |
| 20:59.47 | DrodoEmpire | Just because something follows what is basically the laws of physics of war doesn't mean its conventional; If that was true everything would be conventional |
| 20:59.51 | GD12 | but not traditional in the normal sense |
| 20:59.53 | GD12 | yeah true |
| 20:59.55 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:00.03 | Monet | They might become conventional; berserker warheads inside missiles for instance |
| 21:00.07 | ImpyDroid | GODDAMN ESSAYS |
| 21:00.09 | Wormy_ | What I'd like to think about might be things we might find hard to consider as war, but consists of alien tactics and motives. |
| 21:00.13 | ImpyDroid | GODDAMN GODDAMN |
| 21:00.41 | Technobliterator | OluapPlayer, I lmao'd |
| 21:00.52 | Wormy_ | Star Trek had a few ideas in that area |
| 21:01.21 | Wormy_ | Then of course there's the Xeelee-Photino Bird Conflict, which was almost evolutionary |
| 21:02.28 | Wormy_ | And of course, stories where war turns into an orchestrated simulation that kills a certain agreed amount of the population |
| 21:02.38 | GD12 | yeah |
| 21:02.45 | ImpyDroid | So 1984 warfarwbasically |
| 21:03.21 | DrodoEmpire | Its going under "Exotic". :P Its commonly used as a support role for some nations or even as a primary role but the point is that it doesn't really follow many of the "rules" of warfare and isn't common in many other nations' arsenal; This is supposed to be for *all tiers, remember. |
| 21:04.51 | Wormy_ | So I can think of two sections to fill out, higher scope warfare, which can be conventional but not traditional (like nanowarfare or relativistic fighting or hyperspatial), or unconventional (memetics or black hole battles) and exotic strategy/tactics/motives |
| 21:05.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 21:05.08 | DrodoEmpire | Looks good. |
| 21:05.37 | GD12 | sounds good |
| 21:06.09 | Wormy_ | I'll add it some point next week, as next week I'm breaking the wikibreak |
| 21:06.33 | DrodoEmpire | Alright.; |
| 21:08.06 | Wormy_ | I guess meme wars have always existed but there has never been a concentrated study of using memes as a primary weapon (I might be wrong) between two powers. So they still belong to higher scope advanced warfare |
| 21:08.35 | DrodoEmpire | Well unless you count propaganda as memetics then no. |
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| 21:08.58 | DrodoEmpire | And even then propaganda has always been used as a secondary weapon to degrade the morale of the enemy |
| 21:09.24 | DrodoEmpire | Like airdropping pamphlets onto enemy positions saying that they're going to lose the war |
| 21:09.30 | ImpyDroid | turns into a bear and douses Tybusen with vodka before setting him on fire with an atomic bomb |
| 21:09.31 | DrodoEmpire | Or something else |
| 21:10.26 | Wormy_ | Yes, its certainty been used as a weapon |
| 21:11.17 | Tybusen | escapes ImpyDroid's grasp using 20 cubic tons of fat and flies away on his bald eagle as it deafens ImpyDroid with a shrill cry of "AMERICA!" before setting him on fire with a nuclear missile |
| 21:11.52 | Wormy_ | What usually defined as a meme war in sci-fi consists of large scale engineering of a society by memegineers or AI polities. Or memetic battles between drones, sentient spacecraft or nanotech |
| 21:12.08 | Wormy_ | in attempts to take over |
| 21:12.46 | Tybusen | When I see the phrase "memetic warfare" all I can think of is someone hacking the enemy defense mainframe such that all of their tactical displays are replaced with pictures of Lolcats and Doge |
| 21:13.01 | ImpyDroid | Tybusen: MLG warfare |
| 21:13.39 | Wormy_ | Its certainly viable. Especially if the meme is distracting |
| 21:14.14 | Wormy_ | Memes afterall control and are encoded by human minds and behaviour |
| 21:14.37 | Tybusen | The DCP is immobilized by an ingenious TIAF-French plot to plaster an animated GIF of Doge singing the Heyeayeayea on all DCP military communication channels |
| 21:14.37 | Ghelae | Memetic warfare is more subtle than that. It involves manipulating the enemy so that they hack their own defence mainframe such that all of their tactical displays are replaced with pictures of Lolcats and Doge. |
| 21:15.13 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 21:16.16 | odell | blinds ImpyDroid with his sheer gayness and pride flag* |
| 21:17.11 | ImpyDroid | strikes odell down with his super Russian homophobe law powers |
| 21:19.03 | Monet | Ghelae: I'd consider the tightening securities of the developed world during the War on Terror as an example of memetic warfare on the Taliban's part |
| 21:19.11 | Tybusen | is confused as to whether to help ImpyDroid using the Confederate Blade of Praying the Gay Away or to help odell with his Authentic San Francisco Staff of Having a Gay Old Time |
| 21:20.07 | odell | quickly regenerates using the Swedish free healthcare and bludgeons ImpyDroid to death with a thick copper-rich Falukorv* |
| 21:20.14 | Tybusen | Monet: I guess that's directly related to the notion that the terrorists won because they did terrorize us |
| 21:20.47 | Monet | Our societies changed with their nudging for better or worse |
| 21:21.12 | Ghelae | So then one could argue that terrorism is memetic warfare performed using the techniques of asymmetric warfare. |
| 21:21.53 | Tybusen | That sounds reasonable |
| 21:22.29 | Monet | I remember my secondary school planned that as well as fire drills, we'd also get bomb scare drills |
| 21:22.31 | odell | excorizes away Putin and the Russian powers from ImpyDroid's cropse with an open can of Surströmmning and several Pride flags* |
| 21:23.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ghel: An interesting conclusion. I suppose I agree |
| 21:23.14 | ImpyDroid | counteracs odell's Pride energies with his own Tatu superweapom |
| 21:23.18 | ImpyDroid | *superweapon |
| 21:23.20 | DrodoEmpire | I tend to be very traditionalist when it comes to warfare discussions. :P |
| 21:23.47 | Monet | When a country begins restricting its much-celebrated freedoms for fear of attack when 80% of all targets have been public places, airports and skyscrapers, I'd argue that terrorism has won |
| 21:24.02 | DrodoEmpire | "memetics" is still an unfamiliar thing for me, but I get the jist |
| 21:24.10 | Tybusen | I don't know if they had these before 9/11, but throughout my school years we'd have "stranger danger" drills along with the standard fire and earthquake drills |
| 21:24.35 | Monet | Tybusen: I think "stranger danger" was more to do with paedogeddon |
| 21:24.49 | Monet | Memetic warfare still in action though |
| 21:25.10 | odell | attempts to melt ImypDroid away by dousing him with a bottle of 100% pure racism* |
| 21:25.14 | Charles_Murray | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Command_Rating_System - While we're on the subject of warfare ;) What do you guys think? |
| 21:25.19 | Tybusen | I'd imagine it would have less to do with paedophiles and more with just "suspicious people" |
| 21:25.41 | Monet | As these days I get nervous when spending more than a moment looking at someone's four-ear-old or baby out of innocent curoisity for fear of getting looked at like a rapist. |
| 21:25.42 | Tybusen | Obviously it's hard for a pedophile to do what he/she wants in a public place with adults |
| 21:26.19 | Tybusen | Though perhaps there's a reason that they renamed "stranger danger" drills to "shelter in place" drills once I got to high school |
| 21:26.29 | DrodoEmpire | Charles: Nice! Perhaps it should be added to the Warfare page? |
| 21:28.39 | Charles_Murray | DrodoEmpire: Sure! It's a little arbitrary, though, so I'm not sure how it'd fit on an objective discussion on warfare? |
| 21:28.42 | odell | "Veterancy Rating" exists, but yet it's not there, in Sporewiki. |
| 21:29.10 | DrodoEmpire | Somewhat, sure; But its still useful. |
| 21:29.57 | Tybusen | I would imagine most top-level commanders would have to have a lot of experience, though |
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| 21:31.50 | Charles_Murray | Tybusen: Agreed. I personally am of the opinion that ten-star commanders should be -extremely- rare. There might be one per coalition, and that's it. |
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| 22:16.34 | GD12 | whats a good name for evil knight? |
| 22:16.36 | GD12 | or evil paladin |
| 22:19.16 | Tybusen | Paladin? |
| 22:19.23 | DrodoEmpire | Sir spoopyess Skellington of spookistan |
| 22:19.32 | Tybusen | I mean, isn't a paladin already an evil knight |
| 22:19.45 | Tybusen | Or were you asking for like a *name* name, not a term |
| 22:20.11 | GD12 | well term |
| 22:21.15 | Tybusen | Paladin is the pre-existing term for "evil knight" I think, but you probably aren't going to use something as simple as that |
| 22:23.06 | GD12 | Heck i might just call it a Death Knight |
| 22:23.18 | GD12 | the idea is a mecha an overseer pilots hur |
| 22:24.23 | Tybusen | Quietus Knight? |
| 22:24.33 | Tybusen | Means the same thing except with more Latin :U |
| 22:24.42 | GD12 | Aye perhaps |
| 22:25.21 | GD12 | Mortem Militus? |
| 22:25.31 | GD12 | how does that sound |
| 22:27.07 | DrodoEmpire | That sounds good imo |
| 22:29.53 | Tybusen | Sounds good :U |
| 22:32.32 | GD12 | tl;dr Overseer Dreadknight hur |
| 22:35.39 | odell | Charles_Murray: Just wait, I've got something. *evil laugh* |
| 22:36.42 | Charles_Murray | Hm? |
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| 22:39.15 | odell | Charles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/ibAT9Gc.png |
| 22:39.54 | Charles_Murray | -Very- nice! |
| 22:39.56 | Charles_Murray | What is it? |
| 22:39.58 | GD12 | hover tank? |
| 22:39.58 | GD12 | wow |
| 22:40.27 | odell | Yes. A hover main tank. |
| 22:40.52 | Charles_Murray | It looks fantastic. |
| 22:42.34 | odell | Thanks |
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| 22:55.48 | GD12 | here http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drakodominatus_Tyranny/Army/Infantry#Mortem_Militum |
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| 23:08.09 | GD12 | Hello |
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| 23:14.27 | Wormy_ | from Catface http://i.imgur.com/xBoo86k.gif |
| 23:28.57 | odell | I'm not finished with you Charles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/qPIZB9D.png |
| 23:29.17 | Charles_Murray | Another MBT? |
| 23:29.26 | GD12 | odere |
| 23:29.26 | GD12 | nice |
| 23:29.37 | GD12 | I can't design hover ttanks for shit |
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| 23:31.28 | odell | Sort more MBT, cause it's has lot more speed and mobility, so it can easily outrun a group of enemy tanks. But their firepower and range is rather considerably decent. |
| 23:32.13 | GD12 | *Some sort of MBT? |
| 23:33.01 | odell | Nah, it plays the role as MBT more than the latter one. |
| 23:33.24 | odell | And, it's quite better on that role. |
| 23:35.14 | GD12 | i see |
| 23:35.28 | GD12 | Hover tanks can probably move in excess of 200 km |
| 23:35.30 | Charles_Murray | So something like a light tank? |
| 23:35.30 | GD12 | *kmph |
| 23:35.46 | GD12 | Though i suspect that there are targeting issues and recoil issues associated with firing on the move with such a fast tank |
| 23:35.46 | Charles_Murray | GD12: But they need more room to maneuver and stop. xD |
| 23:35.51 | GD12 | true |
| 23:36.06 | GD12 | Dominatus - see we got it right with having our fastest tanks move at a top speed of 60 kmph |
| 23:36.23 | odell | That's why there's air exhausts at back, side and front |
| 23:36.53 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta - So many exploitable weaknesses ^.^ |
| 23:37.01 | GD12 | ^ |
| 23:37.18 | odell | Using directed compressed air and airbrakes in order to brake and stabilize. |
| 23:37.42 | odell | Most of them are under layers of armor. So they are usually facing downward. |
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| 23:39.36 | GD12 | I think the thing with any tank is its a pick two of three Armor, Firepower, Mobility |
| 23:39.40 | AdmiralPanda | Just stick a bouncing betty in the right place :P |
| 23:39.42 | AdmiralPanda | ^^ |
| 23:39.51 | GD12 | Thats not even taking into account logistics, expense, or other things |
| 23:40.09 | GD12 | In addition to that there is the variety of targets it can engage |
| 23:40.22 | GD12 | since adding more subsystems increases complexity which drives up cost or decreases other attribues |
| 23:40.59 | odell | http://i.imgur.com/jbNqN9D.png |
| 23:41.08 | odell | Those weakpoints are barely expoed. |
| 23:41.59 | Monet | And the underside? |
| 23:42.29 | odell | "My bonfire----!" - Me |
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| 23:42.54 | GD12 | i don't know much about hovertank design but i'm pretty sure its hard to protext the underside of a hovertank |
| 23:42.56 | GD12 | idk though |
| 23:43.00 | GD12 | *protect |
| 23:43.19 | odell | Seriously though, the underside is every tank's weakness. |
| 23:43.29 | GD12 | yeah |
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| 23:43.42 | GD12 | but i think its amplified more for hovertanks |
| 23:43.59 | GD12 | since i assume if the proplulsion systems (on the underside) go kaput then GG |
| 23:44.37 | odell | And it can actually be solvable by installing shield systems. |
| 23:46.15 | GD12 | Yeah thats true since a shielding system covers the entire tank |
| 23:46.32 | odell | Depending on the proplusion system that keeps the vehicle in the air, hovercraft are by default undetectable by mines. |
| 23:46.50 | GD12 | depends on the mine i think |
| 23:46.53 | GD12 | but valid logic |
| 23:47.08 | odell | Unless it's those mines with range trigger and movement detector. |
| 23:47.19 | GD12 | For example if you have a mine with a camera and cv/ml/ai |
| 23:47.41 | odell | That would be a kinda expensive investment. |
| 23:47.42 | GD12 | then the hovertank is as easy to detect as a normal tank |
| 23:47.45 | GD12 | well |
| 23:47.48 | GD12 | its the 29th century |
| 23:48.25 | GD12 | Also i think such a mine is in bad taste :) |
| 23:48.56 | Monet | Cameras are likely ot be cheaper in the future |
| 23:49.31 | odell | Depends on the type though. |
| 23:49.56 | Monet | Maybe a daylight sensor? If the light amount detected drops fast enough, it could be indicative of something passing over the mine. |
| 23:50.06 | GD12 | yeah |
| 23:50.09 | GD12 | thats even simpler |
| 23:50.11 | GD12 | an LED diode |
| 23:50.19 | GD12 | not diode |
| 23:50.27 | GD12 | photoresistor? |
| 23:50.37 | GD12 | yeah photo resistor |
| 23:50.45 | GD12 | those things are less than a dollar |
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| 23:50.52 | Wormy_ | http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-of-hostage-situation-inside-martin-place-cafe-live?CMP=soc_568 |
| 23:51.02 | Wormy_ | Current hostage crisis in Syney |
| 23:51.06 | odell | That's a trick, but the factor is. The hover-system can emit light, which kills the factor, if it's not sensitive enough. |
| 23:51.07 | Wormy_ | Sydney |
| 23:51.08 | Monet | And will be even cheaper for a more advanced and spread-out empire |
| 23:51.16 | Wormy_ | A chocolate shop of all places |
| 23:51.25 | Monet | odell: Maybe it works both ways? |
| 23:51.40 | GD12 | Wormy : holy shit |
| 23:51.44 | odell | Wormy_: Is that a snackbar flag I see? |
| 23:51.57 | Monet | Though that does mean a flashbang could set off one of these mines |
| 23:52.04 | GD12 | yeah |
| 23:52.13 | Wormy_ | With an islamic flag over the top of it yes |
| 23:52.13 | GD12 | hence why you would need an AI mine thing |
| 23:52.22 | GD12 | not even that implausible since Lockheed just developed AI missiles |
| 23:52.26 | GD12 | with swarm intelligence |
| 23:52.33 | Wormy_ | daumn |
| 23:53.01 | odell | Monet: Or a barrage of smoke grenades. |
| 23:53.07 | GD12 | if a 21st century defense company can make such a thing then a 29th century thing can make it very cheaply most probably hur |
| 23:53.24 | Monet | I don't know if smoke could obscure fast enough |
| 23:53.41 | Monet | Though question is, if you've got a light-emitting hover system, either you're using air/fuel-burning jets or you have a woefully inefficient emission system |
| 23:53.43 | GD12 | AI and Machine Learning and Computer Vision have probably progressed to a point in the 29th century that you can make mines with the cognitive reasoning of a human |
| 23:53.55 | odell | Light-sensitive mines are still impraticl though. |
| 23:53.58 | odell | Day-night. |
| 23:54.06 | Monet | odel: I already covered that |
| 23:54.43 | Monet | Unles you're on a planet with a very brief day-night cycle, the light difference between day changing to night will always be slower than the light difference of something passing just over the mine |
| 23:57.03 | odell | The negative is though: It's impartical in windy, forest, dusty and areas that move dust over the area over and over. |
| 23:57.38 | GD12 | hence my solution of AI mine with cognitive reasoning of a sentient ability |
| 23:57.43 | odell | Unless the sensor is set high enough to peek over the ground without risking fault-trigged or be detected. |
| 23:57.55 | GD12 | But the thing with AI things is that even though they're plausible they're pretty OP ifapplied to things like that |
| 23:58.14 | GD12 | e.g. the ficverse has glasma guns but not guided bullets even though DARPA just premiered guided bullets today |
| 23:59.09 | Monet | I can see some people declaring OP on smart rounds |
| 23:59.31 | Monet | But tbf isn't one of the points of warfare tech development to get a one-up on your opponent? |
