| 00:01.15 | Monet | The AI in Halo build up digital connections inside a set volume, eventually their "brains" get so dense that the connections can cross and interfere with each other. |
| 00:01.46 | Monet | Ibelieve Cortana once described it as "thinking yourself ot death" |
| 00:02.28 | Wormy_ | That might be based on findings in Neuroscience. The brain can't get any bigger because if it did, the blood vessels would need to fill more space and this could slow the neural connection |
| 00:02.35 | Hachiman | Pretty much |
| 00:02.58 | Hachiman | Halo AI, at least human ones, tend to only last for a seven year lifespan before they undergo Rampacy |
| 00:03.19 | Hachiman | Probably as another 7 reference implemented by Bungie |
| 00:03.43 | Monet | Considering that Forerunner AIs also undergo this problem, it must be something ot do with exponential growth of neural connections. |
| 00:04.53 | Monet | Eventually, no matter how fast the AI is at deleting old pathways, it lives for so long that the rate it develops new pathways surpasses the speed it can delete old or junk pathways. |
| 00:05.36 | Wormy_ | Orion's Arm has similar transpatient pathologies http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c1cd970e1876 http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/480d5070d7135 http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/460e7c6d840e5 http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c4364568f787 (Hachi will like this one) |
| 00:08.17 | Hachiman | I remember the Bunny Plague |
| 00:08.23 | Hachiman | Disgusting furry fetishist shit |
| 00:09.01 | Wormy_ | OA has its weird bits |
| 00:09.34 | Hachiman | I remember the society of provolved dinosaurs |
| 00:10.29 | Wormy_ | I like the http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/46f96d09d2cf9 |
| 00:10.58 | Monet | I may be treading controversiality but...what if in the future attitudes to human-anthro interaction could become like the interaction between white and black people these days? |
| 00:11.16 | Hachiman | Then we have failed as a species |
| 00:11.23 | Hachiman | We would have regressed to bestiality |
| 00:11.23 | Monet | It sounds disgusting but, hey, homophobia was considered a fair thing in the 1800s |
| 00:12.38 | Monet | Attitudes to race and sexual preference may be vastly different ot now. |
| 00:12.41 | Hachiman | I can tolerate residing within a society of augmented animals that can fulfill tasks humans can do and have comparitively humanlike thought patterns but to consider anything beyond a platonic relationship with one is just fucking ew |
| 00:13.13 | Wormy_ | They shouldn't be created just to serve our sexual fantasies |
| 00:13.21 | Hachiman | Exactly |
| 00:13.24 | Monet | WOrmy's right |
| 00:15.09 | Monet | SOmething like "Anthro Pride" may evolve from anthros wanting to be seen as more than sex objects or some form of semi-human whom sexual interaction with "pure" humanity is abhorred. |
| 00:15.35 | Hachiman | What I could sympathise with more on a significantly more morally-inclined level is requesting to clone and integrate extinct hominid species such as Neanderthals into modern society and happen to undergo relationships with the clones |
| 00:15.50 | Hachiman | Considering that modern humanity is largely part Neanderthal and other hominid species |
| 00:16.16 | Monet | And technically these anthros will be part-human too. |
| 00:16.53 | Hachiman | And part whatever animal they think will suit their depraved sexual fantasies |
| 00:16.55 | Monet | There could only be hmm,,, 3% genetic difference depending on the person? |
| 00:17.17 | Monet | 10% tops |
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| 00:17.44 | Monet | I might be way above the mark |
| 00:17.49 | Wormy__ | hi |
| 00:17.53 | Monet | Hi |
| 00:18.00 | dinoman9877 | Hi there. |
| 00:18.01 | Wormy__ | its been AGES |
| 00:18.07 | Wormy__ | sorry caps |
| 00:18.10 | dinoman9877 | My search bar for the wiki just disappeared. |
| 00:18.19 | Hachiman | If humanity is to ever undergo voluntary physiological augmentation derived from animal genetics then it had better be for more practical uses such as adaptation to certain planetary conditions rather than just for erotica |
| 00:18.26 | Monet | ALso what about the anthros who were born like it? |
| 00:18.56 | Wormy__ | Oh hey it has gone for me too |
| 00:19.01 | Wormy__ | Musdt be server end |
| 00:19.12 | dinoman9877 | Nope |
| 00:19.18 | dinoman9877 | I think they moved it up there now |
| 00:19.20 | dinoman9877 | At the top |
| 00:19.21 | Monet | Maybe they're proud of their heritage even if their parent or ancestor underwent the procedure to become a half-animal mutant. |
| 00:19.32 | Monet | for the sake of sexual fantasy |
| 00:20.25 | Monet | Sure first generation anthros can be understandably scroned. What what about third, fifth or tenth-generation anthros? |
| 00:20.43 | Hachiman | They follow the impressions of their ancestors undoubtedly |
| 00:21.01 | Wormy__ | Wikia design team are awful |
| 00:21.19 | Monet | Hachiman: THis might be getting racist now... |
| 00:21.47 | Hachiman | Implying an online community is a race |
| 00:21.50 | Monet | Granted we don't -know- what cultural attitudes would be like i nthe future, but we can guess. |
| 00:22.23 | Monet | I wasn't implying that. |
| 00:22.23 | Hachiman | If furries in the future want to consider undergoing voluntary augmentation to make them closer to the animals they want to fuck and migrate to some distant settlement on the outskirts - or preferably outside - of spacefaring human territory then that's fine by me |
| 00:23.56 | Monet | And their offspring deserve the same treatment even if they may think differently towards such a fetish? |
| 00:24.13 | dinoman9877 | Aw, are you against people drawing freakish human-fox-wolf things or those mutant, colorful ponies in a sexual way? Good. |
| 00:24.32 | Hachiman | hur |
| 00:24.42 | Monet | I think Hachi and I might be having slightly different conversations. |
| 00:25.06 | Monet | I'm thinking about half-human hybrids in the future like the ones in OA. |
| 00:25.19 | Hachiman | If they develop a different mentality to their freakish ancestors and regard the norms of their ancestral heritage in the same manner as we do towards subjects like incest then they're absolutely fine |
| 00:26.12 | dinoman9877 | But then they look like the mutant freaks their parents had become. Could such a thing be reversed? |
| 00:26.12 | Hachiman | The only legitimacy I could see in voluntarily undergoing augmentation and integration with semi-animal genetics would be for colonial purposes in certain inhospitable terrestrial environments |
| 00:26.19 | Hachiman | Probably |
| 00:26.21 | Monet | As I said, I will agree you have a point with first-generation anthros. |
| 00:26.56 | Monet | But their kids, grandkids and descendant, I feel like that's when it starts getting racist. |
| 00:28.02 | dinoman9877 | Depends on how extreme it is taken to. |
| 00:28.17 | Monet | But what about those subsequent-generation anthros who have genuine affection for a standard human partner? |
| 00:28.22 | dinoman9877 | Are we talking about people who just draw stuff like that, or the ones that wear costumes? |
| 00:28.28 | Hachiman | Both |
| 00:28.54 | Monet | We're also postulating about the future where genetic engineering allows peopel to become like the animals they obbsess over. |
| 00:28.58 | Hachiman | Monet: Depends if the standard human partner is into bestiality or not |
| 00:29.08 | dinoman9877 | Well Monet, they are technically a new race, as they would not have complete human genes. |
| 00:29.37 | Monet | dinoman9877: There's be between 1-5% difference I think. I'm not sure entirely. |
| 00:29.47 | dinoman9877 | But I don't think a human wants to go for a wolf...person...thing. |
| 00:30.13 | Monet | Actually it might be 2% if we're talking anthros with digitigrade legs. |
| 00:30.21 | dinoman9877 | There's a 1-3% genetic difference between humans and chimps, what's your point? |
| 00:30.42 | Hachiman | There's also a 1-3% between humans and bananas |
| 00:31.01 | Monet | I think there'sa bit more of a difference than 3% |
| 00:31.58 | Monet | Point is that even if they do become part-animal they will still share many of the same genes. |
| 00:32.34 | Angrybirds | Hachiman Monet: I've got several sources telling me that there is a 50% genetic similarity between humans and bananas. |
| 00:32.37 | Monet | Now that I think about it, is it possible i nthe future that a new distinction of beastiality emerges to respect the fact that the animal you're fucking can think and speak like a human? |
| 00:32.53 | Wormy__ | Wouldn't the eviction of Rianths be ethnic cleansing however? |
| 00:33.09 | Hachiman | Not exactly cleansing if they're still alive |
| 00:33.10 | Monet | Wormy__: That's another issue I was concerned about bringing up |
| 00:33.28 | Monet | Forced relocation is mroe accurate. |
| 00:33.42 | Wormy__ | I used to think the same about Posthumans, since they make themselves superior in every way maybe they should leave Earth for baselines. Then I realised thats ethnic cleansing |
| 00:33.45 | Monet | And you only need to open up a history book to know how well that always goes |
| 00:34.17 | Hachiman | I much prefer the idea of engineering and uplifting animal species to a comparitively humanlike state of consciousness and allowing them to fulfill roles and positions alongside humanity and, if certain humans happen to be into that sort of thing for some reason or whatever, maintaining "platonic" relationships |
| 00:34.19 | Monet | Angrybirds: That sounds about right. |
| 00:34.53 | Hachiman | But then if an animal has humanlike consciousness then it can probably consent to interspecies sex but I don't see why an uplifted dog would want to have a human dong inside of it |
| 00:35.23 | Monet | Bear in mind a dog is perfectly happy to ram its own dong against a human leg. |
| 00:35.42 | Wormy__ | Wait |
| 00:35.42 | Monet | Granted that's a baseline, but the urge I think would remain |
| 00:35.47 | Wormy__ | I have a solution |
| 00:36.38 | Wormy__ | You mention uplifting them to a level of human consciousness and mind. They will no longer be animals. They will be people. Thus if humans and dog rianths consent to sex, then its fine. |
| 00:36.40 | Monet | But who says it's the human who wants to be the dong inserter? |
| 00:37.35 | Hachiman | This is probably the fucking weirdest scientific discussion we've had on this IRC |
| 00:37.47 | Wormy__ | Strong AGI, Intelligent aliens, humans and Posthumans are all sentient, all people, all are capable of the same mental capability |
| 00:38.09 | Wormy__ | That is the level of sentience under discussion |
| 00:38.27 | Monet | I agree with Wormy; one of the overarchign features of animals that are involved in a beastial experience neither have the higher brain functions to fully understand the situation or the human-comparable communicative skills to accept or refuse |
| 00:40.02 | Monet | Dogs tend to lack that imprinted lesson that many humans get that trying to mate with a human is just plain wrong. Otherwise you wouldn't get leghumpers. |
| 00:41.30 | Hachiman | I am far more comfortable with the idea of the development of relationships between AI and humans admittedly, with interaction probably being undergone through a remote synthetic body and a natural human or something like that |
| 00:41.41 | Wormy__ | Ngh, watching Life is a Toff, I think I could get on with the people of Benefit Street better |
| 00:43.07 | Monet | In short, the main issue with beastiality that i see is that the animals invovled are...animals. There is this parochial message that we are "above" them (I'm not keen on the word but hear me out), and then there's the idea that you're having sex with something not considered human. |
| 00:43.59 | dinoman9877 | I think the disturbing thing to most is seeing creatures they're familiar with portrayed in such a way. |
| 00:44.06 | Hachiman | One argument that can be made is as to whether "human" is dictated by physiology or psychology |
| 00:44.42 | dinoman9877 | If humans determine an alien 'attractive' and it doesn't resemble earth-life to a huge degree, they likely won't have an issue with it. |
| 00:45.14 | Monet | So the way I'm seeing the Furry Relationships situation is through looking at interratial and homosexual relationships. |
| 00:45.41 | Monet | In oth cases the act was at one tiem considered wrong with the party invovled being percieved as a different kind of human. |
| 00:45.58 | dinoman9877 | But here's the thing. |
| 00:46.05 | dinoman9877 | The person made themself look like that |
| 00:46.09 | dinoman9877 | Through genetic splicing |
| 00:46.24 | Hachiman | Hopefully otherkin and furries would have died the fuck out before we get to that stage |
| 00:46.24 | dinoman9877 | They took their evolved DNA and payed with it like a tinker toy. |
| 00:46.34 | dinoman9877 | *played |
| 00:46.39 | Monet | dinoman9877: I'm also tihnking about the offspring. Who didn't have any say i nthe decision. |
| 00:47.22 | dinoman9877 | Monet: They could get their genes untoyed with. Most things can be reversed...hopefully. |
| 00:48.07 | Monet | Yeah but depending on the viewpoint that's like encouraging race change.surgery. |
| 00:48.20 | Hachiman | I am sincerely hoping that the community that encompasses otherkin, bronies, and furries and other affiliated messes of human psyche is extinct by the 2100s |
| 00:48.46 | Hachiman | Hopefully it shouldn't last too long |
| 00:48.52 | Monet | Hachiman: Considering otherkin and furries predate the internet, I doubt it. |
| 00:49.08 | Wormy__ | There will always be otherkin of some form |
| 00:49.22 | Wormy__ | I went through an otherkin stage aged 9-10. |
| 00:49.35 | Monet | It's been 50 years since the punk movement and you stil lget advocates. |
| 00:49.40 | Monet | punk rock* |
| 00:50.11 | Wormy__ | I believed I had a wolf spirit, and used to run around the playground on all fours so much my hands calliced. And I howled on the wall when parents came to pick up |
| 00:50.26 | Hachiman | Jesus Christ |
| 00:50.37 | Wormy__ | I used to snarl at the teacher I didn't like |
| 00:50.37 | dinoman9877 | Hachi, little kids do that all the time. |
| 00:50.46 | dinoman9877 | Just as long as Wormy was little when he did it. |
| 00:50.59 | dinoman9877 | *Please say you were little when you did that* |
| 00:51.07 | Wormy__ | It was an escapist fantasy tbh, I was bullied quite a bit |
| 00:51.14 | Hachiman | Yeah I know little kids do it and that's fine because they're still finding themselves and coming to grips with the human condition |
| 00:51.41 | Wormy__ | I identified with wolves after watching Balto and getting a dog |
| 00:51.53 | Wormy__ | And thought it would be better to be one |
| 00:52.03 | Hachiman | Escapism is only bad when it extends into and has a significant effect on the process of maturity |
| 00:52.16 | dinoman9877 | I was about to say that Hachi. |
| 00:52.16 | Wormy__ | yeah |
| 00:52.30 | dinoman9877 | Darn you and your beating me to it. |
| 00:53.00 | Wormy__ | I do fear I am entering such a fantasy about being posthuman. I dream of being a posthuman uploaded to a von neumann machine |
| 00:53.14 | dinoman9877 | But the concept comes down to that we see the animals for what they are, and then what some people do to change them, and it disturbs us. |
| 00:53.47 | dinoman9877 | It wouldn't be so bad in aliens because we wouldn't be familiar with the looks, most likely, and they'd be just as intelligent as us or more so. So it's all good then. |
| 00:54.23 | Hachiman | That's under the implication we could psychologically and even physically comprehend extraterrestrial life |
| 00:55.12 | dinoman9877 | Extraterrestrial life would likely still be able to be comprehended by the human senses in some way. |
| 00:55.39 | Hachiman | I guess it depends on how extraterrestrial they happen to be |
| 00:55.39 | dinoman9877 | If we want to get into stuff like that, multi-dimensional/universal makes more sense. |
| 00:56.11 | Monet | If we discovered alien life via radio transmissions, then it might stand to reason they have at least -some- similarity to us |
| 00:56.17 | dinoman9877 | Well I would assume that all life in this universe would evolve to the accordance of their natural laws. |
| 00:56.43 | Monet | One thing that makes me hopeful for comparable alein life are two things: COnvergent evolution and quantum principle. |
| 00:56.53 | dinoman9877 | So life in our universe could look mostly the same. But life in another universe may be far beyond comprehension. And we could be beyond theirs. |
| 00:57.09 | Hachiman | Life that evolved in terrestrial environments would be far easier to comprehend than extraterrestrials that happened to have evolved in obscure environments like antimatter planes or black hole fields |
| 00:57.43 | dinoman9877 | Whos to say life can evolve there? Based on our understanding of life, they can't. |
| 00:57.46 | Wormy__ | I think there could be very exotic aliens even in our own universe, though I don't believe in the supernatural, so they can in principlem be understood eventually |
| 00:58.11 | dinoman9877 | I very highly doubt beings of pure energy. Sorry to be a crasher, guys. |
| 00:58.30 | Wormy__ | To me - something asserted to be incomprehensible is supernatural |
| 00:59.23 | Monet | Quantum principle states that in a world of infinite scope, unlikely flukes become common occurences. Phenomena such as black holes, rocky planets with atmosphere and microbes on asteroids give credance to the idea that this principle can work on the macro scale |
| 00:59.27 | Wormy__ | They don't have to made of pure energy to live in extrenes |
| 00:59.52 | dinoman9877 | Well the only kinds of life living in the harshest extremes are single-celled. |
| 01:00.19 | dinoman9877 | And that's on our planet. The extremes on our planet would be nothing compared to the extremes of a black hole. |
| 01:00.37 | Monet | Also the "energy beings" idea is bull anyway since it's like saying that somewhere out in the universe there is a being made of pure drag. |
| 01:00.39 | Wormy__ | The great physicist and sci-fi author Robert Forward wrote Dragon's Egg, with speculative life made of a nuclear physics analog to chemistry on a neutron star, and of tiny size. |
| 01:00.53 | Hachiman | Keep in mind that the human understanding of physics and life is far from complete |
| 01:01.11 | Monet | It's still a pretty solid understanding. |
| 01:01.16 | Wormy__ | While nuclear physics is speculative, I wouldn't be too skeptical |
| 01:01.22 | dinoman9877 | I could not imagine a race capable of exciting the molecules in their body enough to create and keep a pure energy form. |
| 01:01.24 | Wormy__ | *nuclear chemistry, sorry |
| 01:01.40 | Monet | We might not know how to unify the fundamental forces but we can make accurate predictions about them. |
| 01:01.50 | Wormy__ | They aren't made of the same stuff we are |
| 01:01.59 | dinoman9877 | There are two thinks we can not achieve. Absolute Zero, and whatever is at the other end of the spectrum. |
| 01:02.07 | dinoman9877 | I don't know if they have an end to that spectrum. |
| 01:02.08 | Hachiman | Enough Dakka |
| 01:02.27 | Monet | We've come to I think half a degree above absolute zero |
| 01:02.41 | Hachiman | Neither Absolute Zero nor Enough Dakka shall ever be achieved |
| 01:03.18 | Wormy__ | We've created negative temperatures |
| 01:03.21 | Wormy__ | LP |
| 01:03.24 | Wormy__ | :P |
| 01:03.32 | dinoman9877 | I very much doubt it could be achieved by any, especially if put into a biological form. |
| 01:04.18 | Monet | Hachi: http://www.interactions.org/cms/?pid=1034217 how is -273.144 ot of -273.15 for you? |
| 01:04.25 | Monet | out of* |
| 01:05.05 | Wormy__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature |
| 01:05.28 | Monet | 0.006K...seems quite low to me |
| 01:05.46 | dinoman9877 | Not low enough. |
| 01:06.00 | dinoman9877 | Still not absolute zero. |
| 01:06.09 | Wormy__ | There is quite a lot of room at the bottom |
| 01:06.19 | Hachiman | I can come to believe that exotic alien intelligence probably is thriving somewhere outside of the basic human understanding of terrestrial life, like how the Photino Birds are derived from dark matter - a principle that is entirely unknown in regards to the human understanding of physics - and how the Xeelee thrive upon black holes |
| 01:06.34 | Hachiman | Intelligence can thrive potentially anywhere given the right conditions |
| 01:06.43 | Wormy__ | A lot of interesting physics is predicted at ever closer levels to absolute zero, thoughof course nothing will sit directly on it |
| 01:07.07 | dinoman9877 | As far as we know, only one creature can survive in space. And it's microscopic. |
| 01:07.13 | Wormy__ | Hachi is right I think |
| 01:07.25 | dinoman9877 | And far from intelligent. |
| 01:07.55 | Wormy__ | But we must dare to speculate about the limits of life |
| 01:08.02 | Monet | dinoman9877: I agree with you that I do not think energy beings culd exist. But for me it's because whoever came up with the idea got the definition of energy wrong. |
| 01:08.53 | Monet | Energy is defined as "the capacity to do work" |
| 01:09.12 | Wormy__ | I certainly don't think there is a way for pure energy beings to exist, but that does not negate other possibilities for exotic lifeforms |
| 01:10.02 | Monet | It's like saying a lifeform is made up of pure velocity. |
| 01:10.18 | dinoman9877 | Well, as far as we know, and this is only by our understanding, life needs for elements to begin. |
| 01:10.27 | dinoman9877 | Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen. |
| 01:10.32 | dinoman9877 | *four |
| 01:10.38 | dinoman9877 | God I'm out of it tonight. |
| 01:11.03 | Monet | For carbon-basedl ife yes |
| 01:11.10 | Hachiman | You are aware we have silicon-based life on the wiki |
| 01:11.11 | Wormy__ | Life on Earth |
| 01:11.14 | dinoman9877 | Am I saying life needs those to form? Potentially not, no. But I doubt life will appear in the vacuum of space. |
| 01:11.21 | dinoman9877 | I said life as WE know it. |
| 01:11.27 | dinoman9877 | The only life we know is on Earth. |
| 01:11.38 | Monet | Theorists have been toying with the concept of silicon-based life for years due to silicon's chemical similarity to carbon |
| 01:12.09 | Monet | Although silicon is a bit mroe limited in what it can do due ot being a fair degree more massive. |
| 01:12.36 | Wormy__ | What is life really? Merely very complex survival machines for genes, which themselves are replicators selected by survival over billions of years. |
| 01:12.49 | Monet | Silicon dioxide, for instance, is the most common form of rock. |
| 01:12.55 | Monet | on Earth |
| 01:13.03 | Hachiman | Also it's probable that if antimatter is simply the reverse of matter as we understand such, then it's probable we can get antimatter life built from anti-molecules that consist of smaller anti-physics that contribute towards a scope of anti-elements |
| 01:13.13 | Wormy__ | And genes are an abstract process of physical information. I don't see why other complex structures, if they are complex enough, can't form life |
| 01:13.47 | Monet | Hachiman: I don't kno aboutr anti-physics since the only difference between matter and antimatter is a reversed electromagnetic charge |
| 01:14.00 | Hachiman | Well you get what I mean |
| 01:14.05 | dinoman9877 | Well they can. But black holes and a vacuum are not complex. One is an extremely strong gravity field. The other is the lack of...anything. |
| 01:14.06 | Monet | Yeah |
| 01:14.18 | dinoman9877 | Anti-matter beings could not survive in a universe made of matter. |
| 01:14.42 | Hachiman | The universe isn't *made* of matter though, it encompasses both matter and antimatter |
| 01:14.49 | Monet | Antimatter life would essentally be the same as us molecurlarly, only interaction would result in literal annihilation between the two bodies. |
| 01:14.59 | Wormy__ | Now you see Robert Forward's story is based on nuclear chemistry, which is speculative. But if the environment on a neutron star can yield such complex interactions, then it can also allow for something analogous to life |
| 01:15.12 | Monet | dinoman9877: There has been evidence ot suggest that antimatter does persist in our solar system |
| 01:15.44 | Monet | It has been detected i nthunderstorms and may travel in streams between planetary bodies or the interstellar void |
| 01:15.56 | Monet | or in the* |
| 01:16.13 | dinoman9877 | Wormy, a neutron star is far more extreme than any planet. |
| 01:16.20 | Hachiman | I cannot see why antimatter could not form its own equivalents of matter constructs such as stars and space clouds and planets |
| 01:16.43 | dinoman9877 | Nothing on our planet could survive it. Life taking form on it would itself be an achievement of the universe. |
| 01:16.58 | Wormy__ | Yes, nothing on our world |
| 01:17.06 | Monet | Hachiman: Theoreticaly if antimatter aliens exist they'd ask the same questions about our own matter-based life. |
| 01:17.29 | Wormy__ | That does not imply complex structures, if supported by nuclear chemistry, can't emerge life on them |
| 01:17.59 | Wormy__ | This kind f chemistry however would be a kind not possible on Earth, at least naturally |
| 01:18.39 | dinoman9877 | I don't see these complex compounds being able to be formed on a star. |
| 01:18.47 | Wormy__ | Neutron stars are extreme but to any neutron star life, Earth is extreme |
| 01:19.00 | Wormy__ | They wouldn't be compounds in the same semse |
| 01:19.16 | dinoman9877 | It's a ball of gas, usually of two elements at a time if our guesses are correct. |
| 01:19.16 | Monet | Compared to a neutron star, the sun is a nebula in terms of density. |
| 01:19.31 | Monet | If anything a neutron star is practically solid. |
| 01:19.50 | Wormy__ | It wouln't be molecular chemistry. It would be structures made of neutron degenerate matter and a crust of elements crystallised under high pressure |
| 01:20.07 | dinoman9877 | So now it's crystal beings. |
| 01:20.13 | Monet | Sort-of |
| 01:20.32 | Wormy__ | Some believe Earth's life evolved from self-eplicating crystals |
| 01:20.58 | Wormy__ | Or at least crystals provided a means for early replicators to evolve |
| 01:21.05 | dinoman9877 | Some believe earth-life started from a space-bound Spore or an invisible guy in the sky. What's your point? |
| 01:21.09 | Monet | The thing about neutron stars is a lot of their mass comes from much heavier elements that had sunk to a former star's core and formed a solid "heart" |
| 01:21.39 | Monet | So neutron stars are often far more than hydrogen and helium |
| 01:21.51 | Monet | If anythinh ,they might be largely devoid of the stuff |
| 01:21.56 | Wormy__ | Because a scientific theory is very much unlike a religious myth. Even Panspermia has more explanatory power than an Invisible guy |
| 01:23.18 | Wormy__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Cairns-Smith#Clay_hypothesis |
| 01:23.32 | Monet | Our own bodies do rely on a miniscule amount of crystalline material. |
| 01:23.59 | Wormy__ | My Mineraology lecturer also thinks crystals provided a sort of factory template for replicators, since crystals form very regular patterns |
| 01:24.21 | dinoman9877 | True. But the only problem is that we have not seen evidence of theses spores. Just like the invisible guy. Of course, no one is looking at space with a microscope. |
| 01:25.02 | Wormy__ | My problem with Panspermia is that it doesn't really explain the origin of life |
| 01:25.40 | Wormy__ | Even if it occured, life formed somewhere either on another world or somehow within the comet/asteroid |
| 01:25.41 | dinoman9877 | I hold to the thought process that life can only survive so many extremes, in our universe anyway. An extremely dense, superheated, radioactive sphere is not one of those survivable extremes. |
| 01:26.22 | Hachiman | Panspermia only hypothesizes about the origins of life *on Earth* rather than the origins of life as an overall universal aspect |
| 01:27.01 | dinoman9877 | But if one of these life giving spores existed, there must be more out there. |
| 01:27.02 | Hachiman | It leans more towards the transportation, expansion and replication of life rather than its origins |
| 01:27.29 | dinoman9877 | Every time I type spore, I want to capitlize the S. |
| 01:27.42 | Wormy__ | Interestingly though, the Late Heavy Bombardment was concurrent with the origins of life. The oceans would have been repeatedly vapourised and crust melted by asteroids |
| 01:27.49 | Hachiman | Who needs spores when asteroids and meteorites carry plenty of complex materials with them in their voyages |
| 01:28.43 | Wormy__ | Its possible life survived by being carried back out into space by ejecta, which rained down back on the Earth when the crust cooled and oceans resettled. And that means Panspermia is true |
| 01:28.56 | dinoman9877 | Plus, the Miller-Urey experiment showed that the compounds for life, such as proteins and fats, could be produced in conditions similar to what we think early Earth was like. |
| 01:29.04 | Wormy__ | And is an active process in the universe |
| 01:29.27 | dinoman9877 | But they didn't have another billion years to see if they formed into cells so we can't really prove if it works or not. |
| 01:30.20 | Hachiman | Personally I cannot see why the development of life on other worlds and in exotic scapes such as neutron stars and antimatter realms cannot coincide one another, with multiple active processes undergone throughout the universe |
| 01:30.39 | Hachiman | Panspermia may only be one truth to the development of life on other terrestrial environments |
| 01:30.46 | Wormy__ | Well, lets take stock. We don't know what the limits are |
| 01:31.33 | Wormy__ | I'm quite open myself, since life and complexity seem like an abstract process that migfht be repeated whereever there is an active and long term environment |
| 01:31.58 | Wormy__ | Whether its carbon compounds on Earth, or something more exotic |
| 01:32.10 | Wormy__ | It depends on the environment as well you see |
| 01:33.21 | Wormy__ | We shouldn't reject ideas because they are weird or haven't been seen before, either |
| 01:34.26 | Wormy__ | The universe always smashes our previous conceptions |
| 01:34.54 | Monet | I think the only limit to antimatter life is the reqiurement for a region large enough for it to form. |
| 01:35.13 | Hachiman | Aye, that's why I said that the human understanding of physics that are applicable universally is incomplete and limited |
| 01:36.10 | Hachiman | It was only until recently that scientists began proposing that if black holes exist then they probably don't actually look like holes but rather more asymmetrical formations |
| 01:36.23 | Monet | The only proof we need is evidence of regions of space where antimatter can safely gather into a mass as large as a star. |
| 01:36.26 | dinoman9877 | Anyway, I must be on my way. Adieu. |
| 01:36.57 | Monet | Hachiman: How recent? |
| 01:37.18 | Hachiman | From what I hear, the last year or two |
| 01:37.23 | Hachiman | I may be wrong however |
| 01:38.32 | Monet | I was told that it was an elementary misconception that they are holes when I tried doing A-level physics. That was...about five years ago I think |
| 01:39.26 | Wormy__ | Try to imagine a 3D hole you can't |
| 01:39.44 | Wormy__ | It is why they are usually depicted two dimensionally |
| 01:40.07 | Monet | I think the image of a "black sphere" has been passed around the scientific community for decades. |
| 01:41.09 | Wormy__ | I think black holes are certainly objects, they aren't holes in the traditional sense |
| 01:41.32 | Monet | The core idea - the schwartzchild radius - dates back to around 1915. |
| 01:41.33 | Wormy__ | But weird spacetime boundary things happen when you pass into one |
| 01:43.02 | Wormy__ | I like to think of them as collapsed stars |
| 01:43.02 | Monet | At the time I think Karl Schwarzchild imagined a volume within its radius to be nothingness as light could not escape. So it would look like a hole from any direction |
| 01:43.33 | Wormy__ | They used to call them that |
| 01:44.00 | Wormy__ | I suppose the term probably doesn't cover supermassive ones |
| 01:44.01 | Monet | http://holofractal.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/black-hole-singularity.jpeg although I think this image had something to do with the misconception |
| 01:44.32 | Monet | Which really is the next step of this http://nrumiano.free.fr/Images/bh_warp1_E.gif |
| 01:44.38 | Hachiman | I think the more we know about black holes, the less likely the concept of "white holes" appears to be |
| 01:45.04 | Wormy__ | yeah |
| 01:45.18 | Hachiman | Considering that black holes also produce their own matter ie. Hawking radiation |
| 01:45.43 | Wormy__ | http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/penrose.html |
| 01:46.01 | Wormy__ | Our best knowledge of black hole interiors, basically |
| 01:46.08 | Wormy__ | or conjectural knowledge |
| 01:46.22 | Monet | Though for a white hole ot exist ,wouldn't it need to be some kind of massively repulsive force? |
| 01:46.49 | Monet | Some strange area of spactime where the effect of gravity is nil. |
| 01:46.50 | Hachiman | I have wondered if the universe as we know it is simply within a black hole and is the product of mass that has been consumed throughout the lifespan of the giant we live within |
| 01:47.00 | Hachiman | Although I wonder about its likelihood as well |
| 01:48.20 | Wormy__ | black hole cosmology is seriously taken up by theorists |
| 01:48.30 | Wormy__ | even black hole evolution imagined |
| 01:49.31 | Monet | There might be theories around that the big bang might be an evaporating singularity. SInce they are the only places in physics where such a large mass as a universe can exist within an area smaller than a pinhead. |
| 01:50.22 | Hachiman | It brings into question if black holes eventually die because the universes within them are eventually overrun by internal black holes that repeat the process all over again |
| 01:50.40 | Wormy__ | Lee Smolin proposes black holes give birth to universes, and it happens that the universes with laws that create the most stars also create the most black holes, and for that you need carbon |
| 01:50.57 | Hachiman | Our multiverse is actually just a collection of black holes within a black hole that happens to be one of many within a black hole and so on |
| 01:51.09 | Wormy__ | and life coexists in universes that seed many black holes |
| 01:51.25 | Wormy__ | ad infinitum |
| 01:51.37 | Wormy__ | battery dying, g2g |
| 02:02.12 | Hachiman | Ngh where's Drodo, I want to ask what advantages ballistic weaponry provides above energy-based weaponry |
| 02:05.27 | Monet | Well, energy-based weaponry I think is more t odo with heat. |
| 02:07.10 | Monet | So if the aim is to cause broad dmage ,you might be better off going for a fragmentation grenade/shell |
| 02:07.15 | Monet | damage* |
| 02:08.18 | Monet | I think Drodo's in the school of thought that plasma grenades are actualyl kinda naff. |
| 02:08.33 | Hachiman | Aye they don't provide much shrapnel |
| 02:09.26 | Monet | The hazard radius is pretty short range. The beautiful thing about shrapnel is it can travel a fair distance and stil lcause some damage. |
| 02:14.48 | Monet | Also part of the beauty of artillery is the firing arc. |
| 02:15.04 | Monet | Something you can't get with a laser cannon. |
| 02:15.32 | Monet | Ground-based artillery* |
| 02:15.36 | Hachiman | Aye that's true |
| 02:16.34 | Hachiman | I wonder if it's possible to implement a grenade that provides shrapnel damage, although the shrapnel that gets shot proceeds to dissolve and liquidize coming to a halt and no longer experiencing velocity or momentum |
| 02:17.12 | Monet | Nanotech. |
| 02:17.56 | Monet | The srapnel could be a mamotech material that is programmed to dissolve after travelling a certai ndistance. |
| 02:18.02 | Monet | nanotech* |
| 02:18.37 | Hachiman | Hm makes sense |
| 02:20.35 | Monet | Maybe a shrapnel made out of molecular machines that upon that ,after a certain range, a self-disassembly subroutine is triggered that causes the structure to break up at a micrometre level.. |
| 02:22.14 | Monet | The macihnes don't need to be very smart either |
| 02:23.07 | Monet | Although dissolving -and- suddenly coming to a complete stop and losing all momentum may be another matter as Newton's Laws don't like that. |
| 02:23.22 | Monet | But you'd still lose a lot of lethality. |
| 02:23.52 | Monet | Well, thinking about it I wonder if liquidised shrapnel could actually eb worse. |
| 02:24.14 | Monet | IMagine getting that crap down your windpipe or up your nose. |
| 02:25.07 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 02:25.32 | Hachiman | Basically the idea is that it lodges itself into targets and then dissolves to melt stuff like armour and flesh and such |
| 02:26.31 | Monet | Ah so getting liquidised shrapnel up your nose or down your throat was intentional |
| 02:26.55 | Monet | I originalyl thought you asked about a possible feature to restrict damage radius, |
| 02:27.13 | Monet | Again, nanotech could possibly work. |
| 02:27.31 | Monet | Chenicals that could do it...well themite is pretty nasty |
| 02:29.22 | Monet | You could use utility foglets to suspend it in a solid structure, when it hits something the foglets break up and trigger a heat-based reaction. |
| 02:29.36 | Monet | Voila, instant barbecue. |
| 02:30.08 | Hachiman | hur |
| 02:31.41 | Monet | I don't know many chemicals that can travel as shrapnel and be corrosive. |
| 02:31.54 | Monet | Most corrosive substances tend to be liquids. |
| 02:32.33 | Monet | And ot get them as solids requires some cooling |
| 02:33.29 | Hachiman | Or rather the material begins as a solid and upon being used as shrapnel and lodging itself into a solid surface or coming to a halt, nanomachines could heat the materials and cause a liquidization procedure |
| 02:34.52 | Monet | Hmm, they could start off cooled, get thrown at someone while the structure is held together by said nanomachines |
| 02:35.15 | Monet | SInce I cant' quite think of any corrosive substances that are solid at room temperature. |
| 02:36.38 | Hachiman | Doesn't have to be naturally corrosive, liquidized metal in general tends to be harmful nonetheless whether it has corrosive materials or not |
| 02:36.50 | Hachiman | Since it practically turns into molten sludge |
| 02:37.29 | Monet | Well yeah in molten metal's case it's the heat. |
| 02:38.26 | Monet | But for a nanomachine to heat metal to those kinds of temperatures the best tool I can think of is a mini plasma torch. |
| 02:40.02 | Monet | In which case you may be better off simply firing a grenade full of plasma-torch wielding nanomachines at your opponents. They can cause more isntantanious damage t othe target than trying ot heat companino metal fragment. |
| 02:40.21 | Monet | companion mental fragments* |
| 02:41.43 | Monet | the other method I guess is nanomachines vibrating to heat up the environment to metal-melting temperatures. Again though, simply having them do that inside the body will probably do more damage. You only need ot raise core body temperature by 3 degrees before the target starts suffering hyperthermia. |
| 02:43.15 | Monet | Science is both amazing and terrifying |
| 02:43.45 | Hachiman | Geezush |
| 02:45.27 | Monet | I recall there is at least one species of of bee that kills in this manner by having members of the colony surround an invader, such as a wasp, in a ball, and having the mall exercise their wing muscles to raise the temperature withi nthe ball they create. |
| 02:45.57 | Monet | They can survive the temperature rise but the invading wasp can't, so it gets mildly cooked ot death. |
| 02:47.47 | Hachiman | Aye I remember that |
| 02:47.58 | Hachiman | It's pretty damn horrifying |
| 02:48.39 | Monet | Nature is beautiful but also cruel |
| 02:49.05 | Monet | I'll be off now, hope I was of help |
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| 05:10.56 | Vincent20100 | This is why polish jokes are best ^^ |
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| 16:04.52 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 16:07.29 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
| 16:07.29 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
| 16:07.42 | Hachiman | <3 |
| 16:22.51 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1237636_684604008253459_1740633111_n.jpg?oh=ddb6e21d213e332b5bd171f7568e3b48&oe=55061F12&__gda__=1426637302_cad0668fdcc370b4ca09f826b55bda9e |
| 16:50.06 | Angrybirds | How does one rename their account? |
| 16:52.28 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10325619_1008847922471600_5466748676484454806_n.jpg?oh=579269b6bd7a83fef94497450a3dc533&oe=5502982D&__gda__=1428005959_477690439739c0ef9f9e59b6cfedb4c1 |
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| 16:52.49 | Hachiman | Famous rapper getting high on a plane |
| 16:53.04 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10628290_600083723425962_7120617560449941090_n.jpg?oh=6a9271a56c68162e84cbf0270a8ebe65&oe=5513E731 |
| 16:53.26 | OluapWorker | hur |
| 17:00.10 | Hachiman | So a dead shark that was found washed up on the beach was found to be pregnant and somebody came along and cut it open to let the pups free into the water as the tide was going in |
| 17:00.37 | Hachiman | I'm wondering if it would have been more beneficial to have left the pups and allowed them to eat through their mother's carcass |
| 17:01.40 | Technobliterator | Angrybirds, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contact/rename-account |
| 17:01.50 | Technobliterator | also Hachiman needs to use that link too :o |
| 17:02.06 | Hachiman | I dunno what to rename myself |
| 17:02.18 | Technobliterator | just "Hachiman"? |
| 17:02.51 | Technobliterator | after all, Um named himself Cyrannian |
| 17:07.31 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: Danke! |
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| 17:09.26 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 17:10.11 | Xho | me |
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| 17:12.15 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: Angrybirds is taken D: |
| 17:12.34 | Technobliterator | you can probably add a few numbers or something after it |
| 17:12.38 | drom | Hello. |
| 17:12.40 | Technobliterator | or do what Imperios did with The_Imperios |
| 17:12.44 | Technobliterator | hi drom and xho |
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| 17:12.53 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tritonomarth c |
| 17:13.01 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: The other name I might want to change to, Charles_Murray, is also taken, but that's by an account I own. |
| 17:13.10 | Xho | Caligaduro - fish and chips plz |
| 17:13.26 | Technobliterator | You can't merge accounts, sadly |
| 17:13.48 | drom | Am I *cough* the only one who find it hard to remember all those names? |
| 17:13.49 | Technobliterator | so I'd just say "Angrybirds####" where # = a number or The Angrybirds |
| 17:14.08 | Angrybirds | Got it. Thanks for your help! |
| 17:14.33 | Technobliterator | np |
| 17:15.44 | Angrybirds | How weird would it be if I started calling myself Charles? |
| 17:15.52 | Xho | Very |
| 17:16.00 | Xho | I dunno why |
| 17:16.03 | Xho | But just very |
| 17:16.14 | Angrybirds | lolol |
| 17:16.23 | drom | I don't think so. |
| 17:16.48 | drom | I have always wanted to change my identity. But that would cause unwanted consequences. |
| 17:17.23 | Charles_Murray | I'm trying to think of a username I could change to so my IRC identity matches my on-wiki identity. |
| 17:17.50 | drom | Is "Clanden" taken on IRC? |
| 17:17.56 | Xho | hoh |
| 17:18.05 | Charles_Murray | I don't like that name D: |
| 17:18.32 | Clanden | heheh |
| 17:18.32 | drom | I'm starting to find my drom/dromlexer name too old. |
| 17:18.50 | drom | I just wanna change it to something more... forumish. |
| 17:19.45 | drom | I have had "Odell" in my mind. |
| 17:24.26 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/WzXDIF7.png c |
| 17:24.44 | Xho | My life in three words |
| 17:24.56 | Xho | OluapWorker: quoted ur dum giant calamari |
| 17:26.17 | drom | Xho: I herd you liek bikers. |
| 17:27.26 | Xho | I don't mind bikers |
| 17:27.28 | Xho | I hate cyclists |
| 17:28.00 | drom | The most tempting (to kill) would be Justin Bieber on a bicycle. |
| 17:29.38 | OluapWorker | Xho: Tritonomarth - eat water |
| 17:29.50 | Xho | Caligaduro - u drink water u stoopid shit |
| 17:30.29 | OluapWorker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.47 | Xho | Caligaduro - *throws vargash* |
| 17:30.50 | Xho | And that's how the war began |
| 17:31.01 | OluapWorker | Vargash - dad pls |
| 17:31.19 | Xho | Caligaduro - shut up and fite |
| 17:31.48 | drom | *Vargash dies in battle* Caligaduro - I have... no son! |
| 17:32.39 | OluapWorker | Not enough non-pejorative quotes |
| 17:32.52 | Xho | Probably more like Caligaduro - lol u got rekt ur fault |
| 17:33.10 | Xho | Caligaduro doesn't really care much about his servants, even his own creations |
| 17:33.19 | drom | Xho: Probably unrelated, but: http://i.imgur.com/OmvmEqg.png |
| 17:33.28 | Xho | dear god |
| 17:34.11 | Xho | I mean take Ãnnoria as an example |
| 17:34.34 | Xho | Served Caligaduro and managed to retrieve a Void Matrix -> Caligaduro saps the life out of her in order to further empower Janos |
| 17:35.08 | Xho | And Janos is pretty much a wild cannon and Janos probably doesn't consider himself a servant of Caligaduro since he is vaguely Caligaduro in armour |
| 17:35.20 | drom | "Use a condom next time goddamnit" |
| 17:37.47 | Xho | And other servants of Caligaduro consider Janos to be an omnicidal douchebag |
| 17:38.42 | drom | Basically: The most loyal and productive servant to Caligaduro => first to die of the bunch. |
| 17:39.05 | Xho | #VoidLogic |
| 17:39.29 | Xho | I'd imagine the most loyal servant of Caligaduro is either Nalúnt or Akharav |
| 17:39.48 | Xho | The rest of Caligaduro's servants either have their own intentions or are secretly regretting being a servant in the first place |
| 17:40.30 | Xho | I wouldn't count Makkarast since Makkarast is a part of Caligaduro |
| 17:42.15 | Xho | Actually no Nalúnt would have reservations as well |
| 17:42.32 | Xho | Akharav then |
| 17:42.48 | OluapWorker | Vargash - i hav no problems with servants cus my servants literally cant regret anything |
| 17:43.30 | drom | *gets backstabbed* Servant - no regs |
| 17:43.49 | OluapWorker | Shut up |
| 17:44.07 | Xho | If any of Caligaduro's servants tried to backstab him |
| 17:44.11 | Xho | Well why the hell would you |
| 17:44.35 | OluapWorker | Because yolo |
| 17:45.07 | Xho | Servant - swag swag swag swag yolo Caligaduro - ffs *zap* |
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| 17:50.06 | Ghelae | Hello* |
| 17:51.13 | drom | Hello. |
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| 18:09.40 | GD12 | Hello |
| 18:09.46 | GD12 | just popping in for a while |
| 18:09.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:09.54 | GD12 | School done in 2 weeks |
| 18:09.56 | GD12 | *ahppy dance* |
| 18:10.25 | Ghelae | I have one week left of this term, then a month off for Christmas. |
| 18:10.31 | GD12 | thats nice |
| 18:10.38 | GD12 | i have a very nice month long break too haha |
| 18:10.54 | Ghelae | Although I do have to spend some of that writing up a report for my physics project, and revising for my two exams in January. |
| 18:11.06 | Ghelae | Overall, though, that shouldn't take up very much of the month. |
| 18:11.34 | GD12 | January exams? |
| 18:11.39 | GD12 | after the break? |
| 18:11.40 | TekDroid | Exams start next week, then I'm done for the term. |
| 18:11.48 | GD12 | i have review week next week |
| 18:11.51 | GD12 | and exams week after that |
| 18:12.13 | Ghelae | Yes; I have exams after the break. |
| 18:12.24 | GD12 | I see I see |
| 18:13.16 | *** join/#sporewiki odell (~dpessimis@unaffiliated/drom) |
| 18:13.37 | GD12 | Hello |
| 18:13.39 | odell | Don't be scared, I'm learning how to use the NickServ. |
| 18:13.42 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 18:13.46 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:13.55 | odell | Hello. |
| 18:14.11 | odell | Incase you guys didn't notice, I'm drom. |
| 18:14.16 | GD12 | Aye I noticed |
| 18:14.18 | TekDroid | It says [unaffiliated/drom] when you join..:P |
| 18:14.27 | odell | Good. |
| 18:14.43 | odell | As I thought, the cloak is static. |
| 18:14.44 | GD12 | Hopefully I can finish AD over this winter break, since I doubt I'll have any free breaks after winter |
| 18:15.17 | odell | No summer break for you? |
| 18:17.25 | GD12 | I have Spring and Summer break |
| 18:17.33 | GD12 | But I'll probably be doing research during that term |
| 18:17.38 | GD12 | *point in time |
| 18:17.39 | GD12 | *interval |
| 18:17.39 | GD12 | idk |
| 18:17.47 | GD12 | Point is i'll be busy during those breaks too |
| 18:18.21 | odell | Too bad. |
| 18:18.43 | GD12 | Hence its kind of imperative for me to do/finish AD during this Winter Break |
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| 18:20.33 | GD12 | hi |
| 18:20.41 | Imperios | iH |
| 18:21.20 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 18:21.59 | odell | Anonymous people can be annoying: Annoymous. |
| 18:22.46 | GD12 | hur |
| 18:23.06 | GD12 | ahh fuck real analysis is time conflicting with one of my computer classes |
| 18:23.09 | GD12 | nghtastic |
| 18:24.55 | odell | Programming is a such interesting subject. |
| 18:25.05 | GD12 | aye |
| 18:25.06 | TekDroid | Indeed. |
| 18:25.16 | GD12 | (and lucrative) |
| 18:25.24 | TekDroid | Definitely. |
| 18:25.55 | odell | Specially the language they teach me is going to be the next-gen in a few years. |
| 18:26.16 | GD12 | which languagewould that be |
| 18:26.21 | odell | C++ was taught when C was big. Now it's C# is being taught while C++ is big. |
| 18:27.03 | odell | Tidal wave, is what I imagine. |
| 18:27.17 | GD12 | ahh i see |
| 18:27.39 | TekDroid | I believe we're covering some form of C language after winter break. |
| 18:28.06 | odell | C, a wave revoluates the software market, then comes C++, C becomes too old for the market. C++ makes similar breakthrough effect. Then comes the C#. |
| 18:28.12 | odell | Same for Java and JS. |
| 18:28.32 | GD12 | Yeah one of my CS classes is C based for next semester |
| 18:29.18 | odell | Knowledge of C and C++ is a privilegium though. They can become handy. |
| 18:29.38 | odell | Since C# a more abstract version of C++. |
| 18:29.56 | odell | Wasn't C++ too an abstracter C? |
| 18:30.23 | GD12 | i don't know because the only C language i know is C++ |
| 18:30.44 | odell | "ugh. stone-age language" |
| 18:30.51 | GD12 | if you think that is bad |
| 18:30.59 | GD12 | I'm at one of the world's top CS universities and the first programming language they teach us is a dialect of Lisp |
| 18:31.15 | GD12 | which is wierd |
| 18:31.18 | TekDroid | Looks like we're using... just plain C. |
| 18:31.19 | GD12 | Since no one uses Lisp lol |
| 18:31.27 | GD12 | TekDroid : Same for next semester |
| 18:31.28 | odell | Back-compability is a must. |
| 18:31.31 | GD12 | Just C Major hur |
| 18:32.15 | GD12 | drom : are you thinking of studying computer science in university? |
| 18:32.20 | GD12 | * odell |
| 18:32.27 | odell | Civil engieering, yes. |
| 18:32.42 | odell | there's different types of civil engineering. |
| 18:32.49 | odell | There's is digital and software. |
| 18:33.19 | GD12 | civil engineering includes software engineering in Sweden? |
| 18:33.32 | odell | Depends on the line. |
| 18:33.37 | GD12 | and does digital engineering refer to electrical engineering or is it something completely different |
| 18:33.59 | odell | Civil engieering sounds like a single definiation word, but it's not. |
| 18:34.40 | odell | digital =/= electrical |
| 18:35.14 | GD12 | i thought civil just refers to |
| 18:35.15 | GD12 | "Civil engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the design, construction, and maintenance of the physical and naturally built environment, including works like roads, bridges, canals, dams, and buildings" |
| 18:35.30 | GD12 | I guess Sweden has different definitions haha |
| 18:36.43 | odell | But depending on how the education is intepretated by schools and the [goddamned dumb] school bureaucrats, digital engineering can also include education on electrics. |
| 18:36.59 | odell | So you don't have to hire an electrican to plug that server in. |
| 18:37.08 | TekDroid | I'm looking forward to my second year of Software Engineering, once I'm done this ridiculous common first year. |
| 18:38.18 | odell | GD12: Civil engineering is not limited to the society. As how that description implies that. |
| 18:38.39 | GD12 | i see |
| 18:39.05 | odell | If you have a grade in Civil engineering, the better chances to get a job. |
| 18:39.20 | odell | appealing jobs, ofc. |
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| 18:40.24 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 18:40.27 | odell | oi |
| 18:40.41 | TekDroid | That you, AB? |
| 18:40.47 | odell | He is. |
| 18:41.32 | odell | Sometimes, I think 'Robin' is better than my real name. |
| 18:43.01 | odell | GD12: Do you think you'll be able to talk about the Jamaymus after you haved finished with AD at your winter break? |
| 18:43.28 | GD12 | we can probably do Jamaymus while AD is happening |
| 18:43.40 | GD12 | AD doesnt happen to the exlcusion of other fiction commitments |
| 18:43.49 | GD12 | But Im just saying its very important that i finish it over winter |
| 18:43.50 | odell | Cool. |
| 18:45.13 | odell | To keep myself updated: what was AD exactly again? Orion War? |
| 18:45.29 | GD12 | no lol |
| 18:45.41 | GD12 | to the death fight between Tyanny and Gigaquadrant |
| 18:45.50 | odell | Ah, that. |
| 18:46.45 | odell | Urgh, high school is too easy. |
| 18:47.15 | GD12 | Don't worry, university will be fun |
| 18:47.17 | odell | College/university is where real stuff is gonna happen. |
| 18:47.18 | GD12 | *rigorous |
| 18:55.37 | TekDroid | They do overexaggerate the difficulty jump between first year university and high school, though for me that might just be from taking advanced classes. |
| 18:56.08 | GD12 | The jump depends on rigor of high school and rigor of university and which courses you take and how many you do |
| 18:57.55 | odell | And how commited you are too. |
| 18:59.29 | odell | (how lazy you are) |
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| 19:22.17 | odell | I hate having this atychiphobia scarring me for life. |
| 19:22.44 | odell | For those not familiar with the hyper-formal english terms, fear of failure. |
| 19:29.55 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:31.57 | odell | Nothing is better to finish off a bad day with a playthrough of good ol' Jak X with gingerbread and milk. |
| 19:44.31 | odell | mfw Cutter grabs 1st place with 5 ms |
| 19:44.33 | odell | fffffff |
| 19:45.41 | Hachiman | Nobody cares |
| 20:00.07 | Hachiman | spu |
| 20:00.53 | odell | Ain't silence enough? |
| 20:02.12 | Xho | Me |
| 20:04.42 | Xho | I am enough |
| 20:04.46 | Xho | I am all you need |
| 20:06.40 | Hachiman | Spu is love |
| 20:06.43 | Hachiman | Spu is life |
| 20:08.13 | odell | Intentional or not, that gave me chuckle. |
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| 20:33.35 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:33.39 | AdmiralPanda | Hi |
| 20:34.58 | odell | Hello. |
| 20:36.59 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 21:00.24 | odell | Xho: You Brits usually refer bikers to those who drive a motorcycle/-bike? Cyclists to those who use bicycles and bikes. |
| 21:00.38 | Xho | Bikers = motorcyclists |
| 21:00.53 | Xho | Bicycle rider = cyclist |
| 21:01.26 | odell | Good to know. I thought they were the same. |
| 21:01.40 | Hachiman | Dumb |
| 21:02.57 | odell | We refer bikers and cyclists the same. Motorcyclists who drive motorized bikes on roads, hence the confusion. |
| 21:03.11 | odell | What about mopeders? |
| 21:03.26 | Hachiman | Idiots |
| 21:03.30 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Natelevar%C3%AD_Elf There we go |
| 21:11.49 | odell | nvm, I'm fine with mopeders as long they stay where they belong to. |
| 21:12.04 | AdmiralPanda | The loony-bin? |
| 21:13.45 | odell | Yes. But I don't mind those "EU-mopdes" (vespas/scooters). |
| 21:14.08 | odell | Unless I'm in Italy. |
| 21:16.19 | Xho | https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10690258_1544037019175976_4163957825753712499_n.jpg?oh=8da8185c226ad2330e4d170c024f3587&oe=55046797 Hachi and Clotho |
| 21:17.31 | odell | I don't know how my cousin drive like on those. But I cannot say that I either should like or hate him for that. |
| 21:18.02 | Hachiman | Xho: Which one is which hur |
| 21:18.44 | AdmiralPanda | I think the panda is clotho |
| 21:19.57 | Xho | Can apply to either |
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| 21:22.43 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 21:22.47 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 21:22.58 | odell | Schröndinger: One is scarred for life, the other is cuddled to death. |
| 21:32.35 | TekDroid | ...so my mark for an assignment is based on a jpg saying I've completed it and the mark I'd got. |
| 21:34.09 | TekDroid | *opens file in GIMP* Yeah, if I was that kind of person it'd take me 5, maybe 10 minutes. |
| 21:35.34 | TekDroid | Ir even better, a pdf too. >.< |
| 21:40.57 | TekDroid | Huh, you can password protect pdfs. XD |
| 21:41.46 | AdmiralPanda | gotta keep dat polandball secure |
| 21:42.22 | Xho | TekDroid: We do it all the time at work |
| 21:42.52 | TekDroid | Probably so you can't do exactly what I was curious if you could do. XD |
| 21:42.59 | odell | Xho: "rosebud"? |
| 21:43.13 | Xho | What about rosebud |
| 21:44.28 | odell | It's a common password. |
| 21:45.08 | odell | Xho: http://post.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2009/01/05/1231194818_password.jpg c |
| 21:45.31 | Xho | Nope |
| 21:45.43 | Xho | It's usually a random scramble of words and letters that can never be repeated |
| 21:46.20 | Xho | We have the ability to remove the PDFs so password protection isn't issue for us |
| 21:46.58 | odell | Could've guessed that. |
| 21:47.17 | Xho | It's not exactly unheard of |
| 22:00.19 | *** part/#sporewiki Ghel (059700b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.0.185) |
| 22:01.46 | Xho | https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-9/1508056_2348504595204778_240108953858166151_n.jpg?oh=f1645c8adeb2479fec1195bb4ed98d52&oe=550AD2BB Dear god |
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| 22:34.19 | Hachiman | dumternet |
| 22:41.51 | AdmiralPanda | lel |
| 22:44.27 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 22:47.28 | TekDroid | AdmiralPanda: So what do you think of these projectors in Space Engineers? |
| 22:47.41 | AdmiralPanda | SO GOOD |
| 22:47.53 | AdmiralPanda | my drone factory is now fully automated |
| 22:48.20 | AdmiralPanda | (I build disposable attack drones to hunt and capture cargo ships) |
| 22:49.11 | TekDroid | Haven't had a chance to mess with them yet. Tried to make a minefield generator last update but range into some limitations. :/ |
| 22:50.23 | TekDroid | Namely the blast radius being too pathetically tiny to work. |
| 22:50.41 | TekDroid | Gotta try it out with vehicles though. |
| 22:50.42 | AdmiralPanda | I've always had problems trying to make mines |
| 22:51.06 | AdmiralPanda | the most successful design I've had so far was basically a deep-space early warning device that activated a beacon if it spotted a ship |
| 22:51.43 | TekDroid | Using the sensor blocks that sounds pretty effective. |
| 22:51.58 | AdmiralPanda | They work quite well, yeah |
| 22:52.25 | TekDroid | The mines I got functional but the last range is basically point blank. |
| 22:52.31 | TekDroid | *blast |
| 22:55.17 | TekDroid | Damnit microsoft... |
| 22:57.36 | TekDroid | The menu bar that's supposed to open from the right side of the screen only opens from the bottom right now. The corner I literally never use. |
| 23:29.01 | TekDroid | >"I donât want your opinions" |
| 23:29.10 | TekDroid | >Answer is based on a single model |
| 23:29.35 | TekDroid | >Found several articles that might contradict the answer |
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| 23:43.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 23:45.16 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 23:59.29 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:59.51 | TekDroid | Pass |
