IRC log for #sporewiki on 20141203

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03:07.43Vincent20100Hey guys
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10:37.13AdmiralPandaHi
10:39.54OluapWorkerAdmiralPanda: http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1417592077886.png
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11:31.05AdmiralPandaDragon god of tea
11:31.08AdmiralPandano words
11:37.09OluapWorkerI hope he has a tophat and a monocle
11:48.10AdmiralPandaThat said, the Deadly Critical Failure style is still one of my favourite stories, just because I hate monks XD
11:52.07Technobliteratorwhat's wrong with monks :o
11:57.22OluapWorkerdats racist
11:57.27OluapWorkerWhat's dis story
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11:59.14JepardiHi
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12:10.45AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: They're OP as fuck and contribute nothing to the game.                            OluapWorker: Basically, four monks got into a fight, everybody kept rolling natural 1's until they all killed each other through spectacular failure
12:11.15TechnobliteratorThat's why monks are awesome, they're OP :o
12:11.49Technobliterator(they are in FF too)
12:13.49OluapWorkerOh yeah i remember that one
12:14.09OluapWorkerAlso doesn't being OP mean they contribute more than others hur
12:15.55AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: It's utterly horrible when they make half the party utterly pointless for most of the game
12:16.06OluapWorkerTo me it sounds like with some pretty bad monks
12:16.14OluapWorkersounds like you played*
12:16.38AdmiralPandaIt's nothing to do with the player, the class itself is flawed
12:17.01OluapWorkerAs far as I read online, everyone calls monks and fighters UP
12:17.06OluapWorkerEspecially when compared to wizards
12:17.14AdmiralPandaEverything is UP compared to wizards
12:17.24AdmiralPandabut monks make every other martial class useless
12:18.02OluapWorkerHow so?
12:18.23AdmiralPandaA monk can do more damage, and have higher defences and saves, than any other class, just by existing as they level up.
12:19.11AdmiralPandaThey also get more attacks, the ability to heal themselves, teleport, a number of other utility abilities that cripple mots attempts to attack you
12:19.52OluapWorkerHuh
12:20.19AdmiralPandaI mean they even get Improved Evasion, that's like half the reason to play a rogue right there
12:22.52OluapWorkerguess i found muh next player class hur hur hur
12:24.12OluapWorkerI've been wanting to play as a PC again for a while, I have so many ideas I want to try
12:24.54AdmiralPandaWait till you get to your second or third year :P
12:25.19OluapWorkerpls no
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12:26.26OluapWorkerSkeleton sorcerer, goblin bard, crab eidolon
12:27.06OluapWorkerI'm gonna make them a reality even if it's in the form of enemies trying to murder you hur
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12:36.52AdmiralPandagiant enemy eidolon
12:38.41OluapWorkerToo predictable hur
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12:38.56OluapWorkerHey dino!
12:39.01dino_hello!
12:39.14OluapWorkerYou've been missing for ages now
12:39.35dino_How are you!
12:39.45OluapWorkerI'm good, you?
12:39.49dino_Yeah! I know, for a long time I was unable to get acces to the internet
12:39.53dino_I am great as well!
12:40.06OluapWorkerAh I see
12:40.36dino_Glad to see you at the irc!
12:40.39dino_Happy to be back on spore
12:43.09dino_so what all happened on the wiki?
12:44.35OluapWorkerNot much, the wiki's been slow lately due to everyone being busy with either work or education
12:44.43OluapWorkerBut the fantasyverse is full of life now
12:45.57dino_oh ok? Busy eh
12:46.06dino_Interesstng, the fantasy verse! Nice!
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13:20.55dino_oh have to go again
13:21.01dino_seee ya all veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery soon again :D
13:21.04dino_Bye bye
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15:26.30dromTechnobliterator: So they updated the topbar.
15:26.59Technobliteratoryeah
15:27.25dromIt's too thick imo
15:27.33Vincent20100^
15:29.33dromAnd it cuts my eyes with it's edgy color transition.
15:29.38dromits'*
15:39.35drom"North Korea to attract left-culture tourism with missles"
15:58.48TekDroid*turns off "Windows Defender"* -> *CPU Usage increases* O.o
16:06.49TekDroidMy laptop was getting warm just browsing the internet.
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16:52.45DazelAm I the only one who's having issues with Wikia?
16:54.01dromNope. But not technical issues though.
16:54.19DazelIt loads, it's just super slow and I can't get the editor to work at all.
16:56.37dromRetry
16:56.57dromThe software is shit on loading pages.
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16:57.23OluapWorkerspu
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16:59.00Xhou
16:59.10XhoOH GOD THE WIKIA TAB
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16:59.12XhoTHE FUCK IS THIS
17:00.08OluapWorkerA dumb wikia update we can't turn off
17:00.25XhoNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
17:00.51DazelIt doesn't even look that nice.
17:01.06DazelI don't understand all this minimalism.
17:01.08OluapWorkerIt looks extremely distracting
17:01.29Dazelthe meun bar ruse
17:01.31Dazelwas a distaction
17:02.07Dazeli have the car now
17:02.16Dazelhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meda1uTB6F1qk2gxe.png
17:02.18dromI actually like the avatar mask though.
17:02.48DazelIt's making my avatar look really low-quality.
17:04.28dromTechnobliterator: The bar's stylesheet is "monaco.css" right?
17:04.47TekDroidWell, just saw the new Wikia tab. Had to supress outburst during a lecture. -.-
17:05.11TekDroidThey moved the search bar. -.-
17:05.40dromWhat's next? 'New' hyper-constrast user page?
17:05.57TekDroidThe contrast hurts my eyes
17:06.21XhoIf it gets too bad we can just edit the wiki's skin to suit it
17:06.41Technobliteratordrom, no
17:06.48OluapWorkerHell no
17:06.50TechnobliteratorMonaco.css is an old skin that is no longer used by Wikia
17:06.59TechnobliteratorOluapWorker, you can turn it off
17:07.06OluapWorkerHow?
17:07.14dromBah, I switched over to Monobook. my eyes are burning even more with the Sporewiki style.
17:07.22Technobliteratoryou need to add 1 line to your personal .css
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17:07.36dromCommon.css
17:07.40OluapWorkerI certainly know what that is
17:07.47MonetHi
17:07.54Technobliteratoris about to tell you :o
17:08.11Technobliterator.global-navigation { display: none }
17:08.35dromElse you can change the background of it, right?
17:08.37OluapWorkerAnd where do I do this
17:08.55TechnobliteratorIf you want it to apply to every wiki, then User:OluapPlayer/global.css; otherwise /common.css works
17:09.03TekDroidTell us, please. I think it's honestly starting to hurt my eyes
17:09.13TechnobliteratorOr Wikia.css, it doesn't really matter
17:09.34Dazel...How do you do that?
17:09.44OluapWorkerWait where is this at, SporeWiki?
17:09.49TechnobliteratorAt SporeWiki
17:10.34XhoTechnobliterator: Why can't you do it yourselfh ur
17:10.35dromIt's still possible to create that on the CC and then import it with {{w:c:blahblah}}?
17:10.37Xhohur*
17:10.38OluapWorkerBecause none of these pages exist
17:10.41TechnobliteratorOh, and that will just remove the top bar, which means you can't search, so the solution is to add Special:Search
17:10.48Technobliteratordrom, no
17:10.52OluapWorkerBah
17:11.01OluapWorkerI rely on the search bar to browse
17:11.04TechnobliteratorYou add Special:Search to your widget thing at the bottom
17:11.14Technobliteratorin My Tools
17:11.15DazelIt's not letting me edit User:Qvalador/common.css
17:11.16dromGoddamnit, why don't they make those frigging .css files global?
17:11.48Technobliteratordrom, you just use User:Dromlexer/global.css
17:11.53XhoBut
17:11.55TechnobliteratorDazel, that probably means you're not logged in
17:12.02XhoHow do you browse without a search bar
17:12.07OluapWorkerEh forget it, I'll just leave the dumb bar in there
17:12.13DazelI am.
17:12.16TechnobliteratorYou just add Special:Search to My Tools
17:12.25dromLet me work on a solution.
17:12.26TechnobliteratorOr change the URL to Special:Search
17:12.29DazelThere's just not an edit button anywhere, as far as I can see.
17:12.31dromTrust me, I'm a Web Designer.
17:12.55TechnobliteratorAlternatively, you can just make it so the top bar stays there
17:13.00TechnobliteratorAnd doesn't move when you scroll down pages
17:13.10OluapWorkerThat's better
17:13.13OluapWorkerHow do you do that
17:13.28dromIf it's definied by a .css, not a .js. That's ultimately possible.
17:13.32Technobliterator#globalNavigation {position:static}
17:13.40DazelOh, is the page supposed to be empty?
17:13.40OluapWorkerI don't get these
17:13.40TechnobliteratorAdd that to your User:OluapPlayer/global.css
17:13.46TechnobliteratorJust copypaste it
17:13.52TekDroidHm... don't think I did that right.
17:14.02OluapWorkerAm I supposed to make an empty subpage to my userpage and just add that text in there with nothing else?
17:14.25Technobliteratorwell, unfortunately, yeah
17:14.31OluapWorkerOh
17:14.38OluapWorkerSo I don't need anymore code
17:14.41dromIt's empty. Because Wikia didn't code enough.
17:15.15TechnobliteratorNope
17:15.39Technobliterator1 se
17:15.40Technobliteratorc
17:15.57DazelIt's automatically putting <nowiki> around the # in the id bit, should I remove that?
17:16.19TekDroid...why does Wikia think I want visual editor for a .css page.
17:16.23OluapWorkerDidn't work. Pehraps it's because I'm currently in incognito mode
17:16.27DazelYeah, it's dumb.
17:16.40dromYou can disable that in your preferences.
17:16.49Technobliteratoror because wikia are dicks
17:16.56XhoIncognito mode               wat u serchin
17:17.23dromOluapWorker: Hard-reset the cache. Ctrl+F5 or Shift+F5
17:17.32OluapWorkerExcept I've done that
17:17.44OluapWorkerXho: We always use incognito mode here in order to not save browser history on the clients' computers
17:17.49Xhorite
17:18.13OluapWorkerAlso get writin more story
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17:19.10OluapWorker~cuddle Hachiman
17:19.10infobotACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy
17:19.30Hachiman<3
17:19.40Technobliterator1 moment, I'm trying to figure out what's up with it
17:20.06XhoDoesn't work for me either
17:20.08HachimanWhat's this new top bar feature
17:20.09TechnobliteratorThat...is...extremely fucking stupid.
17:20.12dromTechnobliterator the topbar's stylesheet is a .scss
17:20.13HachimanIt's so ugly
17:20.15TechnobliteratorChange it to your /common.css
17:20.23HachimanHow dat
17:20.26TechnobliteratorApparently /global.css doesn't work anymore -_-
17:20.50OluapWorkerhur
17:20.53XhoNope still doesn't work
17:20.56HachimanHow do I get rid of this pls
17:21.13DazelWe're working on it, Hachiman.
17:21.29TechnobliteratorHachiman, you should not get rid of it because it has a search bar
17:21.39TechnobliteratorHowever, you can make it so it doesn't continue to go down when you scroll down
17:21.55HachimanOh?
17:21.59TechnobliteratorAdd ".global-navigation {position:static}" to User:Lucario of the Gods/common.css
17:22.18drom"Qualaroo.scss"
17:22.59HachimanPage doesn't exist apparently
17:23.01XhoThere fixed
17:23.08XhoYou have to make it
17:23.14HachimanFuck
17:23.34Technobliteratorit doesn't have to contain anything else :o
17:23.36dromTechnobliterator: I have have come across a solution to make the bar less eye-raping. If anyone wants to keep it.
17:23.48TechnobliteratorYou can apply that to your personal css
17:23.54dromYep.
17:24.02TechnobliteratorBut Wikia will ban us if we implement it site-wide
17:24.20TechnobliteratorXho, OluapWorker, is it fine for you now?
17:24.28OluapWorkerYeah
17:24.30DazelIt won't let me edit this stupid page.
17:24.32Xhos
17:24.34XhoSí even
17:24.38DazelEvery time I hit edit it just reloads the page.
17:24.38Technobliteratorsweet
17:24.49Technobliteratorbrb
17:24.49XhoLooks like there's a virus going around on Steam
17:24.51HachimanNope doesn't work
17:24.56HachimanStill scrolls down with me
17:25.05TechnobliteratorHachiman, you have to use ctrl + F5 after putting it in the page
17:25.16HachimanYeah I did that
17:25.25TechnobliteratorThen it should be working?
17:25.28Technobliteratorhmm
17:25.37HachimanIt doesn't work even after refreshing
17:25.48dromUrgh, try Shift+F5
17:25.54TechnobliteratorF5 or ctrl + F5? or shift+F5
17:26.02DazelWhich browser are you using, Hachiman?
17:26.22HachimanOkay Shift+F5 works
17:26.25dromI use Chrome: but out of the two, Shift+F5 usually works for me.
17:26.28Technobliteratorthere we go
17:26.35Technobliteratoraren't you guys glad you have me along for this thing? :3
17:26.40DazelHolding Shift and refreshing should work.
17:27.00Technobliteratorexpects to be told to go back to the kitchen regardles
17:27.01OluapWorkerNo
17:27.02Technobliterators
17:27.04OluapWorker>:C
17:27.07Technobliterator:'(
17:27.12OluapWorkerjk
17:27.14Technobliteratorbrb
17:27.14OluapWorker~cuddle Technobliterator
17:27.15infobotACTION grabs Technobliterator and cuddles until Technobliterator begs for mercy
17:27.33Technobliteratordawwww
17:27.37Technobliteratorok now brb for real
17:28.05DazelWait, is it a class or an id?
17:28.18XhoOluapWorker: I take it you saw the recent updates to Black Wave then
17:28.19DazelIt's fluctuated between . and #, which is it?
17:28.33OluapWorkerYes
17:28.37OluapWorkerHence get writin
17:28.37AdmiralPandaHai Hachiman
17:28.44TechnobliteratorDazel, it's a class
17:29.57dromThe bar's class is global-navigation. The name (id) is globalNavigation
17:30.12Technobliterator^
17:30.17DazelOh, I see.
17:30.22dromYou can actually have the both at same time, by seperating them with a comma (,)
17:31.02Technobliteratoryou can but that's kinda pointless
17:31.15DazelThis winamp plugin doesn't work~~
17:31.23DazelI try to stay away from doing that.
17:31.53DazelIt's sort of lazy and I find it more useful to just make seperate rules, so that if I need to change one and not the other for any reason I don't have to go back and make a new rule later.
17:31.59dromTechnobliterator: Dayum, I really need to find a way to import the .css cross-site.
17:32.22DazelWho's the admin of the wiki?
17:32.42dromAll channel operators, except ChanServ.
17:33.11DazelThere's no dark theme for the bar in the wiki settings?
17:33.18dromNope.
17:33.18XhoThis is the dark theme hur
17:33.26dromYou have to do it by yourself.
17:33.53dromYou can do that by putting this: background-color: #222222;
17:34.00DazelWow.  That's sort of stupid.
17:34.23Dazel...Eh, might go for something bluer.
17:34.30dromTo be advised, the color will be barely readable: color: #FFFFFF;
17:34.40drom#222299;?
17:34.59XhoGo for #FF0099
17:35.29DazelHell yeah, that's the best option by far.
17:35.34dromFiddle with it how much you want, the layout is #RRGGBB. R = red, G = green, B = blue.
17:35.45dromA comes after 9.
17:36.28Dazel#7dff00 would probably compliment the blue nicely.
17:40.15XhoSo, few this I can do
17:40.43XhoPavor page, Valentinianus' page, Pavor's page, Nidhrázkyr's page, Natelevarí Elf page or continue with Black Wave
17:40.55XhoOh and  Qarmurnr's page
17:41.03OluapWorkerAnd Pavor page
17:41.18OluapWorkerAlso dunt forget Ice Colossis kid
17:41.36OluapWorkerNidhrázkyr
17:41.38OluapWorkerwho dis again
17:42.02XhoKinmo's alien horse
17:42.06XhoI said Pavor page first u dum
17:42.25OluapWorkerYou said Pavor page twice
17:42.55Xhowas outsmarted
17:43.07XhoSo I did
17:43.11dromTechnobliterator: I finally imported a cross-site css file.
17:43.13dromAnd it works.
17:43.21XhoDouble Nightmare Power
17:43.25Dazel...Someone just made me a sprite and it's amazing.
17:43.55XhoAnd Kartansimal's page as well
17:45.06dromTechnobliterator: F5 is just enough to change the style.
17:45.30XhoValentinianus' page is probably the easiest to do
17:47.02OluapWorkerGo with that then
17:48.41DazelCan someone edit my common.css page for me?  It refuses to load.
17:51.51Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Valentinianus Well there's the start
17:52.54dromSet the topbar's background to #445599 if you guys want a matching color with the wiki's tabmenu.
17:53.04XhoRight
17:53.08Xhohao i do dat
17:53.23TekDroidTried 445599, wasn't a huge fan of it.
17:54.05TekDroidI'm using #111122 right now, same as Wiki's window area.
17:54.09drombackground-color: #colorhere;
17:54.54dromAtleast 445599 makes the text more visible against it than anything darker than that.
17:55.11TekDroidYeah.
17:55.13XhoI don't think anything happened
17:55.19XhoDo I put this in common.css as well
17:55.40dromXho: You put it outside the brackets.
17:55.47dromIt should be inside.
17:56.19XhoStill nothing
17:56.27XhoJust show me a finished result and I'll copy it
17:56.48dromFrom my cross-site .css
17:56.49drom.global-navigation, #globalNavigation {
17:56.50drombackground-color:#445599;
17:56.50dromposition:absolute;
17:56.51dromborder:none;
17:56.53dromcolor: #FFFFFF;
17:56.55drom}
17:57.27XhoAh there we go
17:58.13dromThe problem was, you put it after a parameter, that didn't end properly.
17:58.34XhoRight
17:58.39XhoTry colours like #394F65
17:58.41dromBecause the parameter that didn't end (which was "position: static") has no semicolon (;)
17:59.12XhoOr #4E5459
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18:00.25Technobliteratordrom, you have to create User:Dromlexer/global.css at community central to do it
18:00.56dromTechnobliterator: The view of people raging in wikia's blog is wonderful. Wonderful...
18:01.35Technobliteratorheh
18:01.53dromActually. The cross-site @import works for me.
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18:03.32TechnobliteratorNo, that works
18:03.42TechnobliteratorBut there's an easier way to do it if you use common.css
18:03.55dromTechnobliterator: 264 comments within a day. http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rupert_Giles/Global_Navigation_Update
18:04.23XhoYou can't use blueish colours on that global navigation thing
18:04.30XhoSerious eyesore
18:05.09dromI have got no problem with mine. Just my eyes' preferences.
18:06.41TekDroidSeems to be a notable number of comments on its size and the brightness of it
18:06.52dromAnd bugs.
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18:08.52ImperiosOhgod I just found an old Soviet parody\ cartoon that features buxom women and strippers
18:09.03OluapWorkerHamoins - AAAH MOTHERLAND
18:09.39TekDroidYou don't need a huge nav bar when most people only use it for search, and it wasn't even in there originally.
18:11.13dromActually. They followed the tend to put the search bar in a [window]-fixed topbar, in the wrong way and time.
18:11.24Imperioshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXHN7ReX0ck This
18:13.10HachimanHoly shit this cartoon
18:14.20dromImperios: That underwater scene
18:17.52Imperioshttp://lurkmore.so/images/9/9b/Black_helicopter.jpg The only hairstyle worthy of the NWO
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18:23.24TekDroidIs there any way I can make the source editor the default instead of this stupid VisualEditor?
18:24.56dromTekDroid: Go to Editing under "My Preferences"
18:25.38TechnobliteratorVisualEditor is terrible
18:26.30TekDroid^^^^^^^^^^
18:26.59TekDroidIt's useless if you want anything more than a simplified Microsoft Word.
18:27.30TekDroidWhich unsurprisingly, is not what a wiki should ever even slightly be.
18:27.33TechnobliteratorAnd yes, just Special:MyPreferences and change to source editor
18:30.06TekDroidOh god, just when I thought the snow was getting heavy it intensified.
18:32.55dromFeel free to give feedback and opinions. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dromlexer/Vision_of_2015
18:33.10dromMonet: Thanks for your message and I'll note what you said.
18:33.45MonetNoi problem
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18:34.14dromImperios: The sign at end (with the two robbers) reads Police?
18:34.48ImperiosYou mean when the cops come in/.
18:34.50Imperios?
18:34.52ImperiosWell, a cop
18:36.26ImperiosThe shorter posts means "Militia" (which is Soviet Newspeak for "police" basically) and the longer posts reads "Keep your money in the Savings Bank"
18:37.30ImperiosOluapWorker: Seen my quotes on Khrokar?
18:38.33Imperioshttp://lurkmore.so/images/d/dc/Idiots.jpg This picture actually sums up Russian-Ukrainian relationships pretty well
18:38.48ImperiosThere has to be America put there somewhere though
18:39.47OluapWorkerImperios: Yes
18:40.08OluapWorkerJavina has been seeing some strange-looking dicks to compare Khrokars with them
18:40.57ImperiosShe means the tentacles
18:41.12OluapWorkerMy point stands
18:41.38OluapWorkerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Pureblood_Vampire#Characteristics I've also done some major expanding here
18:41.51ImperiosTentacles are like ultimate Freudian objects
18:43.50HachimanCorrection; I am the ultimate Freudian object
18:44.07ImperiosYou're a dick, yes
18:44.22ImperiosOluapWorker: Wow, nice
18:44.31ImperiosI would really like to have a named Vurdalak
18:44.32dromImperios: A dead one.
18:46.45OluapWorkerHow about you work on your own fiction first hur
18:48.42ImperiosI would but I not doctor yet
18:48.45ImperiosI have homework
18:48.59ImperiosAnd I must prepare for exams, the first one is next Monday
18:49.16ImperiosSure it's Russian history but still pretty hard
18:53.02Imperioshttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/04/article-0-1A21A70B000005DC-127_634x569.jpg >Jasmine looking like if she was Caucasian
18:53.07Imperios...But... aren't Arabs Caucasian?
18:53.40AdmiralPandaNot everyone cares enough to note that Caucasian is a race not a colour
18:53.58AdmiralPandaWe've been through this before, most people just equate caucasian to white and leave it at that
18:54.14ImperiosTrue
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18:58.55dromThe most Arabs got evil-looking eyebrows
18:59.55ImperiosThey got nothing on Caucasians
19:00.01ImperiosAs in, actual Caucasians
19:00.19ImperiosThey have, like, the best eyebrows in the world
19:00.40ImperiosOr, rather, eyebrow
19:01.28XhoOuch
19:02.00dromAnd naturaly evil
19:03.30Imperioshttp://copypast.ru/foto9/1028/prikolnullnaa_fotopodborka_70.jpg Seriously these are epic
19:04.00drom2 of my 5 classmates got these.
19:04.30XhoEw
19:04.53XhoI don't know in what reality one would class that as 1) attractive   2) fashionable
19:04.59Imperios#swedishimmigration
19:05.18dromImperios: One of them is actally 100% Swedish.
19:05.37ImperiosEpic
19:05.59dromHe usually shaves it away. Because people find it funny.
19:06.11MonetXho: We used to consider being fat attractive in the middle ages
19:06.17Xhoew
19:06.22dromBut he unfortunatly forgot to shave it away once before he took a pic for his ID card.
19:06.33MonetWell fat = well fed = affluent
19:06.49MonetAt least, by the logic of the time.
19:06.55dromThe photo seriously looked like somebody stroked a premanent marker pen across his forehead.
19:07.24Imperiosdrom: This might be true
19:07.30ImperiosMonet: Yep, pale and fat
19:07.50ImperiosSo basically 4chan user
19:08.16dromMonet: Yet some still appreciate these (men) as teddy bears for their night shenanigans.
19:10.39MonetOkay... I have heard that some bulky people have been described as "cuddly" (and often when a fat person in media is not a fat bastard they're portrayed as being downright jolly and affectionate)
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19:11.17dromoh god, you are back
19:11.24MonetHi dino!
19:11.48dromleaps forward at dino_ and hugs him*
19:11.59dino_hello all!
19:12.03dino_\How is everyone doing!
19:12.18dromCyrannian was so worried about you, that he went to look after you. We haven't heard anything from him since.
19:12.33XhoOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Valentinianus I did a thing
19:13.01HalopediamanYou did to a thing.
19:13.21dino_nice page Xho!
19:13.25dromI'm bit stressed, still I'm good. How about you, dino_?
19:13.29dino_Hello drom! Really? He went looking haha
19:13.38XhoOh hi dino
19:13.41dino_I am great, happy to be back to the internet! Was a while since I was able to get on it
19:13.51dromWhat happened?
19:14.51ImperiosHi dino
19:15.23dino_@drom I was unable to get acces to internet for various reasons
19:15.24dino_Imperios!
19:16.31MonetOuch.
19:17.09dino_monet!
19:17.11dino_How are you!
19:17.18dino_And all the others as well ofcourse!
19:17.48MonetLittle exhausted. Other than that I feel positive.
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19:18.16AngrybirdsDINO
19:18.21AngrybirdsHAI :D
19:18.22dino_Exhausted? Bsy day!
19:18.25dino_Angrybirds!!!!!!!!1
19:18.31MonetBusy semester.
19:18.37AngrybirdsGood to see you!
19:18.49dino_@Monet:Auch, school work!
19:18.53dino_@Angry: Glad to see you too!
19:19.01Monetdino_: It's fun schoolwork though.
19:19.11MonetWell...more accurately, university work.
19:19.27ImperiosXho: I wonder if there could be a story set in the time of Koldenweltian gods
19:19.34ImperiosOld Colossi, Simulacra, etc
19:19.39XhoWell Terminus was hur
19:19.47ImperiosIt was not centered around deities
19:19.59dino_Monet:Now that sounds interessting! So the semester is fun to follow?
19:20.01XhoKalarah - FOOL                    I AM A GOD TO ALL MORTAL MEN
19:20.11XhoAnyway
19:20.22XhoNot quite sure how it would work
19:20.23XhoIt's feasible
19:20.31Monetdino_: It's been really good since September. Really fun.
19:20.33XhoBut putting it into practice would be odd
19:21.10dino_@Monet: Great! What subjects are you following?
19:21.34ImperiosAur - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3q51TnKh6s
19:21.42MonetComputer Arts and Animation.
19:22.02OluapWorkerXho: "Constantius may have made a mistake." this is very funny to me hur
19:22.10OluapWorkeris good page
19:24.08dromSo I accidently dailed my dad while SMS:ing, turned out to be a very positive conversation.
19:24.34dromI feel more positive now.
19:25.10dino_:D
19:27.00TekDroidDino_: I've been working on a small side project you might like.
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19:27.56OluapWorker_Shiet
19:28.25dino_@Tekdroid: Oh?
19:28.53dromSo I have had a morning full of CPR-training. And an afternoon coaching trainees.
19:29.04dromSo it was a bit exhausting and busy day.
19:29.56dino_Oh CPR training, that is alwayshelpful! But tiresome! You also have the 30:2?
19:30.50dromYep. The CPR is also about 30:2 to be more exact.
19:31.24dromFormerly. We had the 15:1 instead of 30:2. This training was about preforming CPR on adults.
19:33.31drom"... press the chest cage 5 cm in."
19:33.39dromSounds too much imo.
19:33.40dino_oh, we had formerly 15:2
19:34.04dino_that is a lot, and tiresome, but you ahve to push quite far to actually stimulate the hart
19:34.45dromYep. We did 2-3 cm instead, because preforming 5 cm would cause the dummies to explode.
19:35.17dino_haha ok! Look out, dummy alert!
19:35.27dromBy dummies, I mean inflatable training dolls.
19:35.51GhelHello.
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19:37.45OluapWorkerGoddamnit
19:38.20ImperiosOluapWorker Hachiman: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk1tj7RiUm1qbqt8go1_500.jpg Hachi: the Restaurant
19:38.24dromMonet: Do you feel like that you want to collab the history? Since if we are aiming for an interesting and juiciy article, new fiction(s) -bascially anything from phunny local powers up to superpowers- is a must.
19:38.43OluapWorkerhur
19:39.01Monetdrom: I can certainly help out.
19:39.12dromAnd it can also help others' fiction to establish with ease.
19:41.50XhoVino en botella
19:42.00XhoThat is THE worst translation I have ever seen for Spanish
19:42.08dromMaybe it will be unpopular, but sometimes we have got to hit the reserve gear to 100, 1000 or even 10000 years back and create history. If there is no potential existing fiction. So we eventually might have to make the GQs' juicier: more 'old/anicent' empires and races. Unless someone is willing to recon their own fiction.
19:43.39ImperiosXho: What is the most generic term of Simulacrum-spawned creatures
19:43.46XhoDemon
19:45.38dromAnd then comes the challenge with the new old and anicent fiction empires and races: integration.
19:45.39Monetdrom: If you're happy abotu the idea we could always indicate that there are worlds that were once-but-no-longer inhabited by the DI or Varkekian Empire.
19:45.47dromTimeline integration.
19:46.01dromGood chance.
19:46.27MonetI've kept the DI's ancient (to us) history vague for situations just like this.
19:46.47dromBut we shouldn't forget about that Cyrannian actually got an ancient empire in the area too.
19:47.14dromSo we can ask him about the proposal and see what he think once he gets available for fiction.
19:47.28MonetThe Draconis and Vartekians came to mind because they both have quite expansionist histories.
19:48.02dromAnd they will play a role to reserve-engineering races/empires. I suppose?
19:48.51MonetWith the DI it's largely confirmed that they've played precursor on the odd occasion.
19:49.33MonetHow -often- tthey have done it however I'm still keepign vague
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19:49.50OluapWorkerJesus christ
19:50.02dino_Oluap!
19:53.42XhoToo much hoh
19:54.01ImperiosHachiman Monet: Speaking of history, I just found out one interesting theory about Putin's ancestry
19:54.11MonetOh?
19:54.38ImperiosIn Imperial Russia, nobles often gave their bastard children surnames that were shortened versions of their own
19:54.52ImperiosFor example, "Trubetskoy" -> "Betskoy"
19:54.57ImperiosThat makes Putin's ancestors...
19:56.15dromMonet: A bit unrelated, but this basically every WoT match I get: http://i.imgur.com/lyqDjm4.jpg
19:57.44TekDroid.llol
19:57.56ImperiosSeriously speaking, there was a Russian noble family called "Putyanin"
19:58.11MonetOoohh
19:58.17ImperiosHOWEVER there is also *RasPUTIN*
19:58.44dromRasputin sounds similar to Rasmus
20:00.11Monet"Grigori Rasputin"
20:00.17MonetYou think there's a relation?
20:01.56ImperiosSeriously? That's rather improbably
20:02.02ImperiosBut hell it'd be fun if there was actually one
20:05.28HachimanConsider Rasputin was a monk thus celibate
20:05.34HachimanWell, supposed to be celibate
20:05.45HachimanI can't count the legitimacy of his monkhood
20:06.45HachimanIt's probably just a coincidence anyway, it's probably not unusual for multiple families to have the same name
20:08.16ImperiosIt depends on the surname
20:08.19HachimanI know that Oda Nobunaga's more prominent descendant in the modern age is a Japanese figure skater
20:08.29ImperiosAnd the culture in question
20:08.51ImperiosLike I am pretty sure that I am not related to Wu Zetian
20:09.02ImperiosEven though our surnames are kinda derived from the same source
20:09.20MonetJust because he was a man of the cloth doesn't guarentee he was celibate.
20:09.21ImperiosNoble Russian last names, however
20:09.44MonetEven prists and monks can fall to temptation.
20:11.20HachimanWell Rasputin wasn't a real "man of the cloth" and more of some sorta occultist if I remember
20:11.37HachimanThe Russian church hated him due to his eccentric practices
20:11.42MonetAlso I never meant to indicate there was a direct connection.
20:12.08Imperioshttp://i41.tinypic.com/11i1zjc.jpg
20:12.12HachimanIt would be amusing if Putin was somehow related to Grigori though
20:12.20ImperiosOccultist? Nope
20:12.25MonetHe oculd have had brothers or sisters
20:12.34ImperiosHe was a Starover if I am not mistaken
20:13.05ImperiosWAit, my mistake, just a faith healer
20:13.13ImperiosBasically a D&D cleric hur
20:13.18Hachimanhur
20:13.43Monethttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/daughters-diary-tells-of-rasputins-glory-1387517.html also he -was- married for a time.
20:14.23dino_Wow the desolation of the Bisastar looks neat
20:14.25dino_nice battles!
20:14.30ImperiosThere is also a legend that he was a member of the Khlysty sect
20:14.33HachimanOhai dino_!!!
20:14.38ImperiosBasically crazy cultist guys who whipped themselves
20:14.48HachimanHaven't seen you around for a long while
20:14.59HachimanImperios: Wouldn't surprise me much
20:15.06dino_HelloHachi!
20:15.19dino_That is correct, was quite a while unable to get to the internet
20:15.19ImperiosThey were also celibate, though
20:15.26dino_how are you doing! Glad to see you!
20:15.28Monet"But because Alexis's illness was kept secret, Rasputin's role was misunderstood. Rumours sprang up that he was a German agent, a member of an orgiastic sect, the lover of the empress and her friend Anna Vyrubova, and the man who influenced political decisions. He became known as the "mad monk"."
20:15.51ImperiosIn fact one of their branch sects castrated themselves
20:15.55ImperiosIncluding the women, somehow
20:16.30HachimanOuch
20:16.52MonetEssentially Rasputin's role was blurred because no one was allowed ot know the wife of the Tzar was ill and thus he was there to heal her. So by the sounds of it peopel came up with all kinds of crazy theories
20:17.17HachimanThey probably did fuck though
20:18.12MonetAlexandra did like him.
20:19.08ImperiosHe also healed the tsar's son's hemophilia
20:19.25HachimanI thought he died from that?
20:20.09ImperiosI never said he succeeded in curing it
20:20.28ImperiosAlthough he supposedly stopped it somehow
20:21.44dromAnd I am back...
20:23.04MonetLooks like a lot of his life was surrounded in rumour, hearsay and speculation
20:23.33dromGame of Thrones is available as a TellTale game on Steam now
20:23.58MonetAlthough that thing about him being admired by Alexandria reminds me of that erm...rumour about Uriel and Maxime...
20:24.09MonetAlexandra*
20:25.10dromUncanny: https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/330840/ss_cdc027dfa15314d9c35ef64d072eb7a52254c0ef.1920x1080.jpg?t=1417545384
20:25.40MonetEven with Telltale's signature artstyle that is a pretty good rendering
20:26.06dino_have to leave again!
20:26.09dino_Se ya ll next ime
20:26.11dino_bye bye
20:26.27dromSee ya dino_!
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20:26.59dromHere's the game's store page: http://store.steampowered.com/app/330840/
20:28.16dromIt even look damn spot on.
20:34.18dromMonet: Since the proposal will greatly expand the perspective, I'll be taking this opporunity to settle my Kamamus and an other planned extragalatic nomads, whose abandoned their home galaxy for their own better good, settling there.
20:35.08MonetDrom: ALright. I'm keen ot see how they develop.
20:35.27HachimanHm, I hadn't known that Dooku had trained Qui-Gon Jinn
20:35.39HachimanApparently Qui-Gon was Dooku's first Padawan
20:35.55dromThese won't arrive there until our Umbra history work is solid and done.
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20:40.44Wormy_Hi
20:41.21GhelHello.
20:41.30MonetHello
20:46.17dromOh hey.
20:48.30Wormy_Weird, I'm reading an article written by Craig Callender, who mentions a a ma named Walter Craig at a Craig Mcaster university.
20:48.34Wormy_Craigception
20:49.02Hachimanhur
20:50.17Wormy_http://wundergroundmusic.com/richard-dawkins-renounces-atheism-after-smoking-dmt/
20:50.24Wormy_lawl
20:51.09Wormy_“He always gets top gear does Attenborough and he had his crack pipe with him so we took a few hits each and fell straight into the trip.”
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20:55.26Wormy_Is it bad I watch Celebrity Get me out of here?
20:55.38HachimanNot really
20:55.40Wormy_hi
20:55.44HachimanIt's nice watching celebrities suffer
20:55.48Wormy_Indeed
20:55.57Wormy_There's a really whiney American blonde
20:56.02HachimanThat and seeing them act like people for a change
20:56.15HachimanAs in, we get to see what they're like behind the glamour and such
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20:56.44Wormy_I find some of the challenges entertaining
20:57.20Tek0516Is it celebrities actually suffering or the "I can't find room for another luxury car."
20:57.26Tek0516Type suffering
20:57.36HachimanOh no they're definitely suffering
20:57.44HachimanAs in, genuine suffering
20:58.09Tek0516Then your watching it is valid.
20:58.31HachimanThey have to compete in challenges to earn food for themselves and their teams and have to try and coexist with one another, which most of them can't seem to do hur
20:58.33Wormy_They have to eat kangaroo anus and bugs if they lose, and they often do
20:58.45Wormy_or even go hungry
20:59.52HachimanThey're basically stuck out in the middle of an Australian jungle in the middle of nowhere, have to compete in challenged for necessities like food and sometimes luxuries such as champagne, with some of the challenges involving eating or wading through gross shit or doing acrobatic stuff
20:59.57Wormy_Some of them cried last night because they had a challege to remember a list of words in sequence, anything under 7 meant letters from home would be shredded in front of their eyes, and eah team mate had to save a letter for the other
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21:00.42ImpyDroidHachiman: Oooooh we had that kind of show in Russia
21:01.49ImpyDroidwas fuj
21:01.51ImpyDroidfun
21:02.14Wormy_I think ots of countris have a variation of Celeb Get me out of here
21:02.32HachimanI myself prefer shows like Ninja Warrior and Takeshi's Castle
21:04.18Hachimanhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20141203.png
21:08.00HachimanImpyDroid: What's the name of the cybernetic Sith guy that appears in The Old Republic? The bald, pale one?
21:08.11ImpyDroidDarth Malgus
21:08.50Wormy_I just realised, Ant is always on the left and Dec is always on the right.
21:27.28ImpyDroidHachiman: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RnByLF64-A0/UbVALd3NGSI/AAAAAAAAAfo/M2avv1WbMwQ/s1600/Hotspring_scene_by_Kenxan19.jpg Do you know where is this from?
21:27.48HachimanYeah that's Bleach
21:27.53HachimanBleach is shit-tier anime though
21:32.02HachimanIf you're one of the fans who enjoy any member of the Big Three - Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece - then you're practically a pleb
21:32.18HachimanAnd a weaboo cunt with shit taste
21:32.21XhoWhat about Dragonball
21:32.30HachimanDragonball's all good
21:32.42XhoDragonball to me is generally the beginner's guide to anime hur
21:32.48HachimanAye
21:33.10HachimanThing is Dragonball is so retro that a lot of other anime steal from its concepts
21:33.54XhoLooking through most of the best selling manga
21:34.05XhoDragonball was 30 years ago
21:36.04XhoI remember Kinnikuman
21:36.10XhoThat was just nuts
21:37.06HachimanGeezush
21:37.22dromAnother reminder: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dromlexer/Vision_of_2015
21:37.43HachimanI don't care drom, stop reminding me
21:38.04HachimanIf people wanted to comment they'd comment already
21:39.41dromWhy did you even bother to?
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21:42.42Knight_Alienhi
21:43.43dromHello
21:44.50GhelHello.
21:51.24dromOur Math/Phys teacher has called in sick for the whole week.
21:52.17dromSounds like we are going to have 3 hrs of nonsensiual relaxing while present in the classroom for the whole morning.
21:54.03Wormy_More like 3 hours of internet browsing and crudeness
21:54.16Wormy_It was like that in my college anyway lol
21:54.25dromIndeed.
21:55.09dromOr even some shenanigans with my turk and the unibrow swede classmates.
21:55.26Wormy_unibrow?
21:55.45Wormy_Is that a Swedish thing>?
21:56.05Wormy_I imagined monobrow lol
21:56.39dromHe can grow a mono-/unibrow. But he usually shaves it away. Because people find it either funny and ugly.
21:57.17Wormy_I'm sure my uncle shaved his eyebrows off once
21:57.24Wormy_He has done odd things
21:57.34Xhohttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1959301_683170011726282_1898615386_n.jpg?oh=45811ae8acb30de1a0d50f55b841b2e6&oe=551F5227 God is Japan
21:58.07dromWormy_: We all do, we all do.
21:59.26dromI wonder if getting laid with your own bed is a normal thing.
22:01.12*** part/#sporewiki Ghel (059700c0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.0.192)
22:01.31Xhohttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10006969_673809999328950_221784975_n.jpg?oh=5a0319de1899eaa1eb7ff6e6cfad189e&oe=551D3868 Strangely enough I don't think this is Engrish at all
22:02.37drom#asianproblems
22:03.24Xho嚴禁 = Strictly Prohibited 就地 = Here 死亡 = Death
22:06.48Wormy_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30293964
22:07.00Wormy_This is good, I want to jump straight into Masters
22:07.53XhoI call bullshit
22:08.14XhoThis is George Osborne reeling in all the promises before the general election
22:09.17Wormy_True
22:09.55XhoI just showed my friend that Chinese thing
22:10.04XhoHe started talking about kindergarten and screaming
22:10.08XhoWell I am now stumped
22:10.29Wormy_Is he Chinese?
22:10.33XhoNo
22:10.38XhoHe did Chinese as a subject though
22:10.39Wormy_Might have brought up memories
22:11.22Xho"嚴禁就地死亡"            "NOT INTO THE KINDERGARTEN NO *Screams*"
22:13.41Wormy_Actually I'll already be in massive debt by the end so maybe more isn't a good idea
22:18.55Wormy_http://www.itv.com/news/2014-08-16/dragon-attack-council-plans-and-other-wacky-freedom-of-information-requests/
22:24.31Wormy_bbl
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22:57.27Wormy_hi
23:21.36MonetXho: Can't help noticing most of the top 10 most popular articles are about a missing baby...am I missing something?
23:21.56TekDroidEver since I started university I've gotten sick around the turn of the month. >.<
23:22.39Wormy_I keep wanting to cough tonight...
23:23.23MonetActually its probably because I generalyl haven't been paying attention ot the news
23:23.58Wormy_Yeah a mother took her newborn son without a coat and only a thin blanket the other night
23:24.36Monet...that's national news?
23:24.41Wormy_Given that she brought a blanket most people think she is merely hiding somewhere
23:25.22Wormy_Maybe she was middle class and thats why it is.  Only middle class kids or up seem to get reported
23:25.32Wormy_when they disappear
23:31.12Monethttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30290540 I like one idea of AI; that when AI emerge thoughout the world they won't be our cold-hearted overlords; they will be our children.
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23:31.52Wormy_http://phys.org/news/2014-12-orion-spaceship-nasa-high.html
23:31.54Wormy_yAY
23:31.56HachimanHai
23:32.34Wormy_Monet:  Someone posted that to me, I made a huge crit of it
23:32.55MonetFirst aliens, now AI. I wonder if Hawking is getting pessamistic
23:33.15Wormy_I think he is
23:33.41Wormy_I really admire him and like his theories in physics, but I'm not a fan of his philosophy
23:33.52Wormy_He is also a logical positivist
23:34.36Wormy_http://pastie.org/private/hjdz33gzcqkjzg6ygd7ylg
23:34.40Wormy_My thoughts ^
23:37.15Wormy_http://chrome.com/racer?gl=UK&hl=en-GB&utm_source=en_GB-hpp-EMEA-UK&utm_medium=hpp&utm_campaign=en_GB
23:37.24Wormy_wrong link
23:37.26Wormy_http://www.wheatandtares.org/2937/stephen-hawkings-defense-of-positivism/
23:37.37Wormy_I can't stand positivism
23:37.52Wormy_Its also extremely old fashioned and dead philosophy of science
23:39.09Wormy_Ernst Mach was a such a die hard positivist he rejected Einstein's theories and anything unobservable even atoms, which is most of physics.  If he lived a bit longer and realised atoms could be inferrred, he would still reject atomic theory
23:40.46Wormy_On the other hand a scientific realist is prepared to say his model is reality, and explanations of unobservable entities like curved spacetime are not meaningless.  I guess its luike doing science, then rejecting an explanation from an extra prejedice
23:41.28MonetThe thing with these AI naysayers i've found is a lot of technologies of the 20th centuries have become double-edged swords; nuclear fission, the internet and antimatter particle accelerators to name three.
23:41.32Wormy_I'm surprised Hawking is a positivist
23:43.53Monet"The fears of AI are half simple hyperbole & half real - a poorly designed or spontaneously evolved machine could be truly lethal. Properly designed machines should be totally safe." - Robert Lucien  this guy has it spot in. It's how we develop the technology.
23:44.42Wormy_http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/david-deutsch-artificial-intelligence/
23:44.58Wormy_You might like this article, its long, but deep
23:45.46TekDroidIt's all based on an unproven fundamental assumption that because they're smarter they must destroy us.
23:46.35MonetTekDroid: Smarter -and- non-emotional.
23:46.54TekDroidThat too, forgot about that.
23:47.20MonetBut what if emotion is an emergent part of intelligence?
23:47.30Wormy_I criticise the very premise of a superintelligent singularity AI being.  Its seems to be a very naive way of viewing epistemology
23:48.01MonetEmotion is an essential component of communication between a huge number of animals.
23:48.43Wormy_They will still be prone to error, they will still have the same problems when engaging with reality.  They I assume are computational beings, so in principle they can know we can know and viseversa. They might be faster, but not better
23:49.40Wormy_An alien AI may even have a different mental life and more knowledge.  But such an entity is not necessarily evil.  They may even have better morality than we have
23:49.44Monet"Whilst I don't believe AI will end the human race, humans need to realise that computers are BILLIONS of times faster at 'thinking' than we are." this person does not understand how brains and computers calculate.
23:49.58TekDroidThe whole emotionless AI is based on the extrapolation of non-general machines with exponentially less computing capacity than the human brain.
23:51.27Wormy_I'm of the view that man will always keep up with machines, that there is no such thing as a singularity as its concieved, and we already are experiencing an indefinite or even infinite growth of knowledge
23:52.59Wormy_An advantage to silicon brains, and perhaps the inly one, is processing speed  and memory.  But then, why not a slow AI?  One can imagine very slow minds, and that might have advantages
23:53.08MonetI suppose one question is this: if computers are that much faster at thinking and processing, why does it take six hours to tell ASIMO to walk for five minutes aside from "it's peopel programming the data." Even if we did compress the timescale that still sounds like a metric crapton of computations for something we do almost unconsciously.
23:53.38Wormy_Well processing speed =/= real understanding
23:53.47TekDroid^
23:53.54MonetExactly.
23:54.30MonetComputers may *look* faster but overall that's because they have overall less tihnking to do.
23:54.42Wormy_Unfortunately Orion's Arm takes on the superintelligent mind trope
23:55.58MonetSure people may strain over GCSE maths equations but look at it this way: Walking involves a lot of maths we don't see.
23:56.35MonetWe're comparing our slower ocnscious capabilities with a machine that is trying to match the speed of the brain at theu nconscious level.
23:56.35TekDroidIndeed.
23:56.48Wormy_The human brain is the most complex object we know about in the universe, its absolutely full of processes that are unseen and hence very hard to explain
23:57.09Wormy_So I agree
23:57.43Monet"The one thing we have yet to figure out (which is very important) is how to teach a machine to intelligently forget. Lacking this skill, any long lived AI program will suffocate under the weight of meaningless data" this is an interesting idea
23:58.02TekDroidIt's true though.
23:58.16MonetI believe this is what limits the lifespan of AI in the Halo universe.
23:58.30Wormy_Where did you read that?
23:59.22MonetWOrmy_: This quote is in the comments section. For the AI thing, they call it Rampancy http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Rampancy

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