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00:22.57 | Wormy_away | damn game updates |
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02:17.53 | TekDroid | The one thing I despise about Skype is the fact I need the task manager just to close it. |
02:18.13 | TekDroid | And my family wonders why I'm never logged in. >.< |
02:21.59 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
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02:31.02 | DrodoEmpire | Here's one sci-fi weapon that rubs me the wrong way; Antimatter hand grenades |
02:31.11 | DrodoEmpire | Its a pretty bad idea |
02:31.12 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
02:31.47 | DrodoEmpire | Trying to fit so many volitile materials and complex technology into one, handheld device is asking for trouble no matter what |
02:32.16 | DrodoEmpire | If a single one's (no doubt precarious and constantly-active) containment failed, it could be an utter disaster. :P |
02:32.24 | DrodoEmpire | Plus imagine the production costs |
02:53.53 | TekDroid | Imagine if the storage got it. |
02:54.17 | TekDroid | *got hit |
02:55.52 | Halopediaman | "Antimatter hand grenades" - For when you want to clear a whole city with you still in it. |
02:58.24 | TekDroid | Just 1 gram of matter/antimatter is 90 terajoules |
02:59.14 | TekDroid | Meanwhile we still measure most of our larger power plants in mega or giga. |
03:01.41 | TekDroid | Huh. 1 gram of antimatter collision is equivalent to running Three Gorges damn for a bit over an hour. XD |
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03:07.02 | TekDroid | Hello |
03:07.14 | DrodoEmpire | Hey VInce |
03:07.22 | Vincent20100 | HEy guys |
03:07.33 | Vincent20100 | It's so nice to be greeted when you enter ^^ |
03:08.43 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
03:09.18 | TekDroid | ^^ |
03:55.03 | Vincent20100 | Dammit, nobody is on Katar :( |
04:06.19 | Vincent20100 | Working on the Caribbean page |
04:09.50 | Vincent20100 | Do you think somekink of land cannon could be used to place satellites into orbit? |
04:10.08 | Vincent20100 | Or at least give them the head start and then use their rocket parts? |
04:31.47 | TekDroid | Not unless you intend to have it fly at several times the speed of sound with no thrust |
04:33.03 | TekDroid | Aka no. |
04:39.04 | Vincent20100 | Well, it could be used to launch unmanned satellites, no? |
04:39.59 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sovereign_Caribbean_Federation#History |
04:40.05 | Vincent20100 | I added lots of stuff in the SCF page |
04:40.10 | Vincent20100 | Demography and History |
04:43.38 | Vincent20100 | 455 vs mine 101... |
04:43.47 | Vincent20100 | F*** you too M&B |
04:44.39 | Vincent20100 | HO... it's mostly peaeant and militias |
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04:52.29 | Vincent20100 | HEy Tybusen |
04:52.30 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sovereign_Caribbean_Federation#History |
04:52.36 | Vincent20100 | Added stuff to the SCF |
04:53.24 | Tybusen | It could use some work but what you have so far is a good basis, perhaps |
04:54.02 | Vincent20100 | -_- |
04:54.28 | Tybusen | That is my honest opinion of it |
04:54.33 | Vincent20100 | I'm laying out the space age for the SCF |
04:56.32 | Tybusen | I would question the launching of orbital cannons before putting a man in space (let alone before the first spacewalk), as well as that orbital cannons could potentially violate space arms treaties depending on what the state of those treaties is after WWIII |
04:59.45 | Vincent20100 | It is used to launch unmanned satellites and materials for space stations |
05:00.08 | Tybusen | The name "orbital cannon" suggests otherwise |
05:00.34 | Tybusen | "Orbital Platform" or even simply "Space Station" would be better alternatives if that was what you're intending |
05:01.26 | Tybusen | Since "Orbital Cannon" almost exclusively connotates an orbital weapon designed to perform precision strikes on a planet's surface from orbit |
05:02.08 | Vincent20100 | Orbital Cannons were also concepts of ground based "cannons'' used to launch satellites into orbits |
05:02.53 | Tybusen | Well, you should still change the terminology since "cannon" has a much higher association with weaponry than propulsion |
05:06.00 | Vincent20100 | Well, still better than "Space gun" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_gun |
05:08.13 | Tybusen | That still doesn't change the fact that "orbital cannon" is probably an inappropriate term for what you are describing |
05:08.45 | Tybusen | "Orbital Platform", "Orbital Launcher", "Space Station", or "Launch Platform" would probably make better alternatives |
05:08.54 | Vincent20100 | And I actually went reading on space arms treaties and it would not really theorically prevent ''space cannons'' |
05:09.06 | Vincent20100 | The space arms treaties only concern WMD |
05:09.14 | Tybusen | I think you are misunderstanding my point here |
05:09.30 | Vincent20100 | Nah, I got it, but it's still good to point it out |
05:09.48 | Tybusen | The point is that the phrase "orbital cannon", at least in SporeWiki canon, holds the connotation of orbital strike weapon |
05:10.50 | Tybusen | Space arms treaties likely don't ban orbital cannons because technology isn't advanced yet to produce a non-ballistic missile orbital weapon |
05:10.54 | Vincent20100 | Alright, will switch it for Launcher |
05:11.04 | Tybusen | Launcher would be better |
05:11.25 | Vincent20100 | Well, according to the treaty, conventionnal weapons are still allowed in space, it's not really clear |
05:12.00 | Vincent20100 | The space arms treaty was mostly made to prevent the placment of nuclear warheads in orbit |
05:12.17 | Tybusen | The United States would most certainly not allow Russia or China to put a orbital laser cannon in orbit above New York, for example |
05:12.21 | Tybusen | That's what I'm talking about |
05:12.34 | Tybusen | Most modern "conventional" weaponry is not effective from orbit |
05:13.15 | Vincent20100 | Yah, but the states could place a space cannon above themselves |
05:13.24 | Vincent20100 | A bit like GDI did, to control the population |
05:14.23 | Tybusen | I still doubt that anyone would allow a weapon capable of orbital strikes to reach the launchpad as long as current space treaties stand |
05:14.53 | Tybusen | And even less so in the competitive space era portrayed in the post-WW3 human canon |
05:15.27 | Vincent20100 | Well, people said that for Nuclear warheads too and still... |
05:15.59 | Vincent20100 | Orbitial weapons could be justified a bit like Nukes, to "keep the peace" |
05:17.17 | Vincent20100 | The Nuclear powers signed non-proliferation treaties and India, Isreal and Iran still managed to get some |
05:17.23 | Angrybirds | Except we're talking about a union of tiny caribbean nations as opposed to two empires who could defend themselves if attacked. |
05:17.56 | Angrybirds | And who can ignore treaties at will because they have the economic and military strength to back it up. |
05:18.29 | Angrybirds | Economically and militarily weak nations don't have that luxury, and actually tend to rely more on international law for protection. |
05:19.01 | Tybusen | You have a point but it's not entirely fair to compare nukes and orbital weapons |
05:19.54 | Tybusen | For one, nukes can be concealed relatively easy and still have strike potential, which is why people take nuclear non-proliferation very seriously yet people can still get their hands on nukes |
05:20.20 | Vincent20100 | Well Angry, again, smaller nations (relatively poor) managed to get nukes |
05:20.41 | Tybusen | On the other hand, orbital weapons are useless until in orbit, and are easily shot down if caught before they can set up |
05:20.54 | Angrybirds | Managing to hide nukes is different from launching something into space which can be shot down. |
05:21.09 | Tybusen | Therefore it is much, much easier for the international community to enforce a ban against orbital weapons rather than nukes |
05:21.10 | Vincent20100 | In the midst of a nuclear war (WW3), who will tell them to stop? |
05:21.26 | Angrybirds | Any of their opponents? |
05:21.55 | Vincent20100 | Yah, true |
05:22.19 | Vincent20100 | About comparing nukes to Orbital weapons, well, that is purely speculative, of course |
05:22.39 | Tybusen | Anti-satellite technology is far more advanced than satellite defense technology in the present, and will remain that way for the foreseeable future until powerful deflection shielding is invented |
05:22.54 | Vincent20100 | IN the context, it was assumed Orbital Weapons would be the new WMD |
05:22.59 | Tybusen | While there isn't really such a thing as anti-nuke technology |
05:23.13 | Vincent20100 | ^+10 for that |
05:23.15 | Tybusen | Orbital weapons can be WMD if they're allowed to set up a large enough presence |
05:23.38 | Vincent20100 | I hate when those freaky americansky are like "Muh' missile shield'' |
05:23.51 | Tybusen | If you set up a large enough network of them and then either lead a decapitation strike against the enemy or mark down all of their anti-satellite weaponry, you essentially get a free pass |
05:24.23 | Tybusen | The thing is, though, no nation in their right mind will let another nation get that far |
05:24.41 | Tybusen | And it is much, much easier to prevent someone from getting that far with an orbital weapon |
05:25.15 | Vincent20100 | Okay, but I still keep my ground Orbital Cannons to launche my satellites in orbits |
05:25.29 | Vincent20100 | *Launchers |
05:25.48 | Tybusen | Orbital Launchers are perfectly acceptable |
05:26.08 | Vincent20100 | I will mess with the "feasibility" later... |
05:26.29 | Vincent20100 | The projectiles will probably have concealed rockets inside them to escape orbit |
05:27.12 | Tybusen | I would imagine that you would still want to make sure your space travel technology can safely bring a human into orbit and back before you would start building an orbital launcher |
05:27.30 | Tybusen | At least, a space-based one |
05:27.30 | Vincent20100 | I located them on Curacao and Port-Au-Prince instead of Cuba, to not be too Cuba-centric |
05:28.01 | Tybusen | A ground-based space launcher is perfectly feasible for any stage in their space development once someone invents it elsewhere in the world |
05:28.09 | Vincent20100 | Orbital cannons could be a more economic way to send material into orbits, while mens travel in shuttles |
05:28.27 | Vincent20100 | It could unique to the Caribbean :) |
05:28.43 | Tybusen | You still need someone to unload the material to the orbital platforms |
05:28.46 | Tybusen | Unless it's robotic |
05:29.03 | Vincent20100 | I mean, when you look at it, you tell yourself "Ho my gosh, that thing is risky!" which would fit for a poorer nation |
05:29.27 | Vincent20100 | Well, shuttles from space stations would collect them once in orbit |
05:29.30 | Tybusen | "risky" as in risky to the astronaut's lives or "risky" as in financially risky? |
05:29.45 | Tybusen | Either way I would imagine a poor nation would want to cut the risk involved |
05:29.49 | Vincent20100 | Risky in the sense of "Crazy Technology" |
05:29.50 | Tybusen | Even more so than a rich nation |
05:30.39 | Vincent20100 | Richer nation would rather invest in "classical means", while poorer nations, in attempt to get to space at all cost, would be ready to use "Crazier stuff" |
05:30.52 | Vincent20100 | Like gigantic cannons ^^ |
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05:31.31 | Tybusen | You have to remember though that a poorer nation also has less resources and would likely place more value on a low-risk system than a high-risk system |
05:32.19 | Tybusen | It would be better to spend $100 million on a reliable method than to spend $10 million on a highly risky method that has a relatively low chance of working |
05:32.40 | Vincent20100 | Actually, that isn't entirely true |
05:33.11 | Vincent20100 | India is currently making space launches and they chose to make cheaper rockets to be able to launch more of them in case of failure |
05:33.53 | Vincent20100 | If I remember correctly, rocket mission of India costed like 10M$ each, rather than 500M |
05:35.27 | Vincent20100 | It cost less to make and Indian space mission than a movie |
05:35.27 | Vincent20100 | http://s3.mirror.co.uk/mirror/ampp3d/articles/indiafilms.jpg |
05:35.38 | Vincent20100 | *an |
05:36.19 | Tybusen | How well has it worked out for them, though? |
05:36.37 | Vincent20100 | It hasn't reached Mars yet |
05:36.38 | Vincent20100 | http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/AI-CL004_IMARS2_G_20140924010510.jpg |
05:36.55 | Vincent20100 | On a more serious note, this is the cost compared between several countries |
05:36.59 | Vincent20100 | for a mission to Mars |
05:37.37 | Vincent20100 | THe Indian Mission actually left Earth orbit |
05:37.50 | Vincent20100 | While Japan and China (Russia)'s missions falled |
05:38.14 | Vincent20100 | It's actually China's mission, but they are using Soviet Vostok rockets |
05:39.21 | Tybusen | But was India's Mars mission using traditional rocket launches or a space launcher? |
05:39.27 | Vincent20100 | Notice how NASA anbd India's missions will almost arrived on the same date |
05:39.47 | Vincent20100 | They were using a new type of rockets |
05:40.35 | Vincent20100 | Let's remember the SCF built their "Cannons" in 2249 and 2362. |
05:40.38 | Tybusen | It doesn't really contribute to your point then, because then it's perfectly logical for a poorer nation to buy cheaper equipment to save on costs |
05:40.54 | Tybusen | Cheaper equipment isn't the same thing as experimental technology |
05:40.58 | Vincent20100 | There is more than a 2-3 hundreds yeras of gap |
05:41.24 | Tybusen | Cheaper equipment has a level of reliability due to having been tested before, while experimental tech lacks that reliability that makes it economically viable |
05:41.33 | Vincent20100 | Well, their rocket was an experimental one |
05:42.01 | Tybusen | It is still a traditional rocket launch, though, if I'm not mistaken, not a space gun/launcher-style launch |
05:42.08 | Vincent20100 | They tested it, twerk it several time and got something viable, something that can be applied to any techs |
05:42.53 | Vincent20100 | Rockets too were experimental at one point, but over time they got tweaked and improved and i gave something viable |
05:43.07 | Vincent20100 | *and gave something... |
05:43.11 | Tybusen | But it was wealthy countries who had to lead the way with rocket technology |
05:43.34 | Tybusen | A poorer country does not have the resources to constantly be tweaking an experimental technology |
05:43.46 | Vincent20100 | NOt really, it was Nazy Germany, a country with limited resources to spent |
05:44.07 | Tybusen | The Nazis invented it, but it was the US and USSR who refined it as you speak of |
05:44.23 | Vincent20100 | Nazy Germany's resources were limited, they had very very high expanses to maintain, and gived very little to rockets development |
05:44.36 | Vincent20100 | It's the Nazis who reached space first |
05:44.42 | Tybusen | That's incorrect |
05:44.49 | Tybusen | You've got your facts completely wrong |
05:44.59 | Tybusen | The Nazis never went to space |
05:45.25 | Tybusen | They did invent the first viable rocket technologies, the V-1 and V-2 rockets, but those were more akin to cruise missiles than space rockets |
05:45.48 | Tybusen | The US and USSR invented space-capable rocketry |
05:46.08 | Vincent20100 | http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/edn-moments/4397678/German-rocket-is-1st-to-reach-space--October-3--1942 |
05:47.59 | TekDroid | Vincent: Also the cannon doesn't work because it needs to capable of accelerating it to far past escape velocity as you'll experience a LOT of drag. |
05:49.05 | Tybusen | What Tek says is true, not to mention I don't think we have any explosive force safe enough for surface use that has the force to propel a feasible space cargo to drag-adjusted escape velocity |
05:49.33 | Angrybirds | Maybe a space elevator instead? |
05:49.45 | Vincent20100 | TekDroid Projectiles can carry small rocket payloads with them |
05:50.21 | Vincent20100 | Which, theorically, could allow them to make their gravitaionnal turn |
05:50.44 | TekDroid | Force aside, if we assumed launches took 1s, even if there was no friction escape velocity is 6.6km/s, which means you need to have extremely delicate equipment experience several hundred times the force if gravity. |
05:51.34 | Vincent20100 | Angrybirds: Space elevators would be very costly in 2200-2300, even for France |
05:51.37 | Tybusen | Not to mention you need to make sure the capsule you're sending it in doesn't burst from the launch force itself |
05:52.04 | TekDroid | Essentially, imagine your satellite having a thousand times its weight dropped on it suddenly. |
05:52.26 | TekDroid | With a thousand being a generous underestimate, frankly. |
05:52.30 | Vincent20100 | Yah, there is several technical issues that makes it impossible in 2014, but in 2249, it's what, 235 years into the future |
05:52.45 | TekDroid | Not even. |
05:53.32 | Vincent20100 | SPace elevators, to be kinda affordable, would have to be attached to the moon |
05:53.37 | Tybusen | I don't know if materials science could make the leaps and bounds necessary to make space gun/launcher tech viable within 200 years even |
05:53.46 | TekDroid | Vincent20100: not at all |
05:54.16 | Vincent20100 | Building a tower that reach the Stratosphere and be able to carry cargo to the top -_- |
05:54.31 | Vincent20100 | My space cannon seems more reasonnable at that point |
05:54.43 | Tybusen | Space elevators are incredibly tricky, yes, and are even less viable than space launchers |
05:55.09 | Tybusen | You're essentially building a skyscraper to the stratosphere |
05:55.17 | TekDroid | Well considering the biggest issues with the cannon are Earth's atmosphere and forces measuring in the thousands of g, this is impossible by many centuries. |
05:55.21 | Vincent20100 | The only way I would really see a space elevator work is by attaching to a natural satellite |
05:55.36 | TekDroid | Frankly impractical in any possible way. |
05:55.39 | Tybusen | I think space elevators are just flat out unfeasible at any technology level |
05:55.49 | Vincent20100 | The highest man-made buildings on Earth are Television towers |
05:56.13 | Vincent20100 | But do you imagine carrying up materials for a space station on a television tower? -_- |
05:56.29 | Tybusen | The amount of structural adjustments needed to keep a tower stable at such a height against wind force and the effect of the curvature of the earth make it very difficult to perfect |
05:56.46 | Vincent20100 | Building a whole new planet seems even more feasible |
05:56.55 | Tybusen | Also, the highest man-made building on Earth is a hotel, not a TV tower |
05:57.00 | Vincent20100 | By colliding some asteroids togheter |
05:57.10 | TekDroid | What's wrong with just using conventional rockets for the scf though? |
05:57.42 | Tybusen | Artificial planet husbandry is not as simple as colliding asteroids together, but I would agree that once you have the technology for it, planetary husbandry is easier than space elevators |
05:58.00 | Vincent20100 | Tybusen: I'm pretty sure it's isn't a habitable structures that are the highest |
05:58.53 | Tybusen | Vincent20100: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa |
05:59.10 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
05:59.11 | Vincent20100 | 829.8 m |
05:59.35 | Vincent20100 | But that is the catch Tybusen |
05:59.41 | Vincent20100 | THe word "Building" |
06:00.05 | Tybusen | It's literally the tallest *structure* built by man |
06:00.19 | Tybusen | There is literally nothing |
06:00.20 | Tybusen | nothing |
06:00.22 | Tybusen | taller than it |
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06:00.39 | Vincent20100_ | So, that'S the catch, the word "building" |
06:00.44 | Tybusen | It's literally the tallest *structure* built by man |
06:00.47 | Tybusen | There is literally nothing |
06:00.48 | Tybusen | nothing |
06:00.51 | Tybusen | taller than it |
06:00.59 | Vincent20100_ | For a structure to be considered a "building", it has t allow for human living for a long period |
06:01.18 | Tybusen | That doesn't change anything |
06:01.23 | Angrybirds | Why is it that the United Arab Emirates has the tallest building. |
06:01.31 | TekDroid | It's still the tallest structure |
06:01.41 | Tybusen | Not to mention the Burj Khalifa is very specifically a residential structure |
06:01.46 | TekDroid | Angrybirds: I thought the new WTC beat it though? |
06:01.52 | Tybusen | And structure is a supercategory to building |
06:01.56 | Vincent20100_ | I'm not sure, I remember reading some radio/tev towers could go as up as kilometers, but let me see |
06:02.02 | Tybusen | TekDroid: Freedom Tower is the tallest in North America |
06:02.06 | Angrybirds | TekDroid: I'm not sure that's been built yet. |
06:02.06 | TekDroid | Right. |
06:02.23 | Angrybirds | Of COURSE there's something called Freedom Tower in America. OF COURSE. |
06:02.28 | Tybusen | Freedom Tower reaches 1776 feet |
06:02.30 | TekDroid | Angrybirds: under construction, but still tallest in North America |
06:02.36 | Tybusen | I'm not joking about the 1776 number |
06:02.52 | TekDroid | Angrybirds: It's where the WTC was too, IIRC. |
06:03.03 | Angrybirds | Tybusen: wtf. |
06:03.04 | TekDroid | Or at least part of the new one. |
06:03.05 | Tybusen | The Freedom Tower structure is already completed, so it can be called the tallest structure in America |
06:03.09 | Tybusen | *North America |
06:03.26 | Tybusen | I think Freedom Tower was built where WTC 1 used to be |
06:03.32 | TekDroid | 'MURICA! |
06:03.38 | Vincent20100_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast |
06:03.44 | Vincent20100_ | This one is 600 m. |
06:03.57 | Tybusen | nvm, Freedom Tower is built on the old WTC 6 site |
06:04.07 | Vincent20100_ | It isn't built yet |
06:04.09 | TekDroid | And Khalifa is over 800m. |
06:04.10 | Tybusen | 600 m is still shorter than 800 m, Vincent |
06:04.19 | Vincent20100 | Yah, but that isn't the tallest |
06:04.45 | Tybusen | Why do I have to keep repeating myself on this |
06:04.57 | Tybusen | The Burj Khalifa is literally the tallest structure built by man |
06:04.58 | Tybusen | End of story |
06:05.01 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^ |
06:06.01 | Vincent20100 | OKay, true |
06:06.32 | Vincent20100 | But for a freaking long time, Tv towers were higher than man habited stuff |
06:07.12 | Tybusen | Examples plz |
06:07.21 | Vincent20100 | And with the globalization and China arising, it isn't going to hold it's title for very long |
06:08.11 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast |
06:08.20 | Vincent20100 | Former highest structures |
06:08.21 | TekDroid | Building tall structures isn't just a matter of deciding to build the. |
06:08.32 | TekDroid | >600m |
06:08.42 | TekDroid | Still far below 800m. |
06:08.44 | Vincent20100 | Building high tv/radio towers allow for larger distribution |
06:09.09 | Vincent20100 | It was built in 1970 |
06:09.37 | TekDroid | How did we even get on this pointless tall structures argument anyway. |
06:09.52 | Tybusen | The fact that it collapsed though I think should be an example that extremely tall communication towers that aren't integrated into some sort of skyscraper are extremely vulnerable |
06:09.54 | Vincent20100 | To show how Space elevator aren't realistic |
06:10.05 | Vincent20100 | It collapsed because it was old |
06:10.13 | Vincent20100 | It still old for 20-30 years |
06:10.20 | Vincent20100 | That's longer than most cars |
06:10.28 | TekDroid | That's not a realistic comparison. |
06:10.31 | Tybusen | And also because communication spires are brittle as shit |
06:10.59 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast |
06:11.03 | Vincent20100 | This one is even older |
06:11.06 | Tybusen | It's not fair to compare a car to a tower because a tower isn't constantly experiencing rolling friction from continued use |
06:11.07 | Vincent20100 | and still arise |
06:11.21 | TekDroid | Most of a space elevator would be exposed to minimal atmosphere are thus minimal wear. |
06:11.41 | Tybusen | That KVLY mast isn't free-standing |
06:11.42 | Vincent20100 | Tek, space elevator would exposed to even more atmosphere |
06:11.46 | Vincent20100 | No |
06:11.51 | Vincent20100 | It's tied, of course |
06:11.59 | Vincent20100 | The Warsaw one too |
06:12.52 | Vincent20100 | The ropes maintaining it act like the architectural support of the Burj Kalifat |
06:12.58 | TekDroid | I donât even know what we're arguing here |
06:12.58 | Vincent20100 | It's jsut that you see them naked |
06:13.13 | Vincent20100 | It's not arguing, it'S scientific discussion |
06:13.35 | Angrybirds | Space elevators have been deemed feasible and even cost effective if the anchor is made out of carbon nanotubes. |
06:13.36 | Tybusen | No, it's really become more of a dick comparison contest except with radio masts |
06:13.44 | TekDroid | And regardless those are still less than 800m. |
06:14.07 | Vincent20100 | Tek, it wont be long before you see a chinse or indian one arising |
06:14.17 | TekDroid | Not necessarily |
06:14.32 | Vincent20100 | The higher they are, the longer the signal goes |
06:14.36 | Tybusen | China's tallest tops out #3 and it's still under construction |
06:15.03 | Vincent20100 | Building a tv tower isn't that same as building a skyscrapper, it's not the same purpose and cost |
06:15.20 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^ |
06:15.35 | Vincent20100 | We are in a world of Always Bigger anbd Always Taller |
06:15.53 | TekDroid | No, wait... |
06:16.02 | Vincent20100 | igger highways, bigger cities, bigger buildings, it comes with bigger tv towers |
06:16.06 | Tybusen | Except there's an upwards limit of how tall a certain structure can be before it needs serious structural reinforcement |
06:16.12 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^^^ |
06:16.32 | Vincent20100 | Ho because you think the Bujk Kalifat wasn't an architectural nightmare? |
06:16.39 | TekDroid | It was. |
06:16.43 | Tybusen | Not to mention I'd imagine TV towers are only really being built en masse in developing areas rather than urban areas where they would probably be tallest |
06:16.54 | Vincent20100 | The reinfrocments on it are stronk |
06:17.15 | Tybusen | Society is moving towards the Internet as its main communication mode, and Internet pretty much promotes the exact opposite of broadcast |
06:17.20 | Vincent20100 | China and India are both In Development COuntries |
06:17.32 | TekDroid | Realistical once TV towers get tall enough you'd just be building more towers. |
06:17.56 | TekDroid | *be better of building |
06:18.06 | Vincent20100 | No, it could cost-efective in more remote region to make them taller to get radio everywhere |
06:18.16 | Vincent20100 | It depend of the situation |
06:18.29 | Tybusen | You could build a structure to the stratosphere, you would just need so much structural support for it that it becomes economically unfeasible |
06:19.06 | Tybusen | I think you're also forgetting that TV is not all broadcast |
06:19.09 | Tybusen | A lot of it is cable |
06:19.10 | Vincent20100 | Honestly, I'm not sure this Arrabian tower is economically profitable either, maybe on the short term, but later... |
06:19.14 | Vincent20100 | BUt radio is |
06:19.21 | Tybusen | Radio and TV are different |
06:19.23 | Vincent20100 | ANd radio is everywhere |
06:19.33 | Vincent20100 | The Warsaw Tower was for Radio |
06:19.52 | Tybusen | I don't know what point you're trying to make |
06:19.56 | TekDroid | Most TV in the developed doesn't need towers. |
06:20.18 | Vincent20100 | Trying to show that soon enough, another structure will be made, higher than this arabian one |
06:20.23 | TekDroid | *developed |
06:20.35 | TekDroid | Not necessarily. |
06:20.44 | Vincent20100 | Well, the KTV one was in North Dakota, USA |
06:20.49 | Tybusen | And with radio you really only need to put it on an elevated geographic formation and it will achieve the same effect as a super-tall radio structure, at a fraction of the cost |
06:20.53 | TekDroid | Yes, DECADES AGO. |
06:21.45 | Tybusen | New radio towers are going to become a dying breed and whichever places still need radio are likely not to spend the money for a supertall radio tower to cover their entire region in one go |
06:21.46 | Vincent20100 | ANd still, radio still needs tower, and chinses won't take long to build a higher one just to satisfy their inferiority syndrom |
06:21.59 | Tybusen | >inferiority syndrome |
06:22.06 | Vincent20100 | THey built a freaking budha statue just to have the biggest statue in the world -_- |
06:22.33 | TekDroid | That's not even close to being the sane or relevant. |
06:22.57 | Tybusen | First of all, spell Chinese correctly or I'm going to start getting irritated |
06:23.10 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_by_height |
06:23.43 | Tybusen | And while the inferiority syndrome may be one of their motivations, it still boils down to economic viability |
06:23.45 | Vincent20100 | It's just to show that the Chineses aren't building stuff because it's necessary, but jsut to say "Haha! We have it bigger!" |
06:23.47 | TekDroid | You don't need TV towers in the west because they're effectively obsolete, and you don't need exponentially more expensive towers when there's cheaper ones we've already explained |
06:24.11 | Tybusen | China is not going to build a tower taller than the Burj simply to wave a bigger dick at Dubai |
06:24.13 | Vincent20100 | <By the way, the MOtherLand Statue is bigger than the Liberty Statue because they didn't counted it's pedestal |
06:24.36 | Tybusen | China will build such a tower if it has economic purpose for them |
06:25.04 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Temple_Buddha They built that shitty statue just to have the biggest statue in the world |
06:25.15 | TekDroid | This isn't even a matter of genital measuring, this is a matter of exponentially rising costs coupled with the laws of physics |
06:25.24 | TekDroid | [Citation needed] |
06:25.27 | Tybusen | Excuse you Vincent but first off that isn't a shitty statue at all |
06:25.35 | Vincent20100 | What do you think they will do to have the highest structures in the world? |
06:25.47 | TekDroid | They don't need to. |
06:25.53 | Tybusen | Second of all, statues are pretty much irrelevant to this conversation since they're artistic structures and not functional |
06:25.55 | Vincent20100 | It's ugly -_- THey built it strictly to have the biggest in the world |
06:26.06 | Tybusen | By default the entire comparison of statues is a dick-waving contest |
06:26.07 | Vincent20100 | IT's just to have the bigger one |
06:26.09 | TekDroid | There isn't some worldwide arms race to build a taller building. |
06:26.14 | Vincent20100 | YEs |
06:26.23 | Vincent20100 | That's the whole story of skyscrapper |
06:26.27 | Tybusen | But you can't compare statues to skyscrapers |
06:26.28 | Vincent20100 | Higher, higher, always higher |
06:26.33 | TekDroid | ===ISN'T=== |
06:26.51 | TekDroid | I said there ISN'T a worldwide race. |
06:26.54 | Tybusen | Statues, being artistic structures, aren't built with economic viability in mind and can be whatever the hell they want |
06:27.15 | Tybusen | Skyscrapers on the other hand have to be built with their economic viability in mind |
06:27.17 | Vincent20100 | By Tek, there is, that's the whole point of building higher and Higher buildings, even North Korea is doing that |
06:27.22 | TekDroid | ... |
06:27.28 | Tybusen | North Korea is not a valid subject |
06:27.30 | OfficerJackal | Wtf. |
06:27.31 | OfficerJackal | No. |
06:27.31 | Tybusen | for comparison |
06:27.34 | TekDroid | Screw it. |
06:27.42 | OfficerJackal | You build higher buildings because you need a fucking higher buildi9ng. |
06:27.46 | OfficerJackal | building* |
06:27.52 | Vincent20100 | One of the biggest hotel in the world is in North Korea |
06:28.05 | Tybusen | I'm also somewhat insulted that you're so dismissive of that Buddha statue since by calling it ugly you're insulted the entire Buddhist community |
06:28.05 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel |
06:28.27 | Vincent20100 | The satue that was in Afghanistan was cool, because it had history. |
06:28.32 | Tybusen | North Korea is irrelevant to this conversation because everything they do is to have a bigger dick |
06:28.37 | Vincent20100 | This one was built solely for this purpose |
06:28.43 | Tybusen | How are you so sure of that |
06:29.05 | Vincent20100 | Read the article |
06:29.11 | Tybusen | Are you willing to call the image of Buddha that many, many people respect just a front for China's dick-waving |
06:29.17 | Vincent20100 | There is plenty of cool Budha arts in the world, but not that one |
06:29.23 | Tybusen | Excuse you |
06:29.56 | Tybusen | How do you know if the Afghani statue wasn't built for the same reasons |
06:30.12 | TekDroid | I've spent the day cramming in two engineering labs and a Physics lab and I have a physics test in 7 hours. It's 1:30am and I've lost all tolerance for baseless, incorrect statements and ignorance of science. I give up. |
06:30.15 | Vincent20100 | Because it was built in a era before globalisation. |
06:30.34 | Vincent20100 | It was built to be a sacred place and for pilgrims |
06:30.47 | Tybusen | Also, if you would read the article on the Buddha statue |
06:30.58 | Tybusen | It houses a Buddhist temple that's been around there since the Tang dynasty |
06:31.04 | Tybusen | I'd say that's historically significant enough |
06:31.20 | Vincent20100 | And they disfigured it with that |
06:31.27 | Vincent20100 | They should have let it like it was |
06:31.39 | Tybusen | Why do you think that |
06:31.59 | Tybusen | Is it wrong of them to build a statue to honor what's literally their central religious figure |
06:32.04 | TekDroid | ^^ |
06:32.19 | Tybusen | What would you say about the Cristo Redentor in Rio de Janeiro then |
06:32.21 | Tybusen | Tell me |
06:32.25 | OfficerJackal | No, they built the statue the way it was to show their faith and committment to the Buddhist religion, along with their love for it. That statue, that statue means alot to millions of people, and I can tell you right now they didn't just make it for dick-waving. |
06:32.27 | Tybusen | What's your take on the Cristo Redentor |
06:32.30 | Vincent20100 | And how can you say there isn't a skyscrapper race in the world? COme one, |
06:32.41 | TekDroid | There isn't. |
06:32.48 | Tybusen | The statue "race" and skyscraper "race" are not the same at all |
06:33.02 | Tybusen | Also, I'm going to ask you again |
06:33.06 | Vincent20100 | Tek, that's jsut stupid to say that |
06:33.07 | Tybusen | The Cristo Redentor |
06:33.09 | TekDroid | If there was the new WTC would smash the Khalifa, for one. |
06:33.29 | Vincent20100 | Honestly, I'm not sure about the Cristo Rendemptor either |
06:33.34 | TekDroid | Europe would be building several hundred meter buildings everywhere |
06:33.41 | Tybusen | Is the Cristo Redentor an honest honoring of Jesus or is it a dick-waving attempt by Brazil |
06:33.41 | Vincent20100 | Europe and USA are broke |
06:33.42 | Tybusen | Tell me |
06:33.46 | TekDroid | ... |
06:33.49 | OfficerJackal | LOL. |
06:33.51 | TekDroid | ....... |
06:34.08 | Tybusen | Vincent20100: Answer my goddamn question |
06:34.17 | Vincent20100 | Construction of new skyscrapper in US and Europe has declined since the 1900' |
06:34.21 | Vincent20100 | Minute! |
06:34.42 | TekDroid | ... |
06:34.53 | OfficerJackal | BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED SHITONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AT THE MOMENT. If we really wanted to, there would be fucking WTC heigh skyscrapers everywhere, but we don't! Why? BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT. |
06:34.58 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
06:35.03 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^^^^^ |
06:35.06 | TekDroid | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
06:35.17 | Vincent20100 | Yah, but IF we were building new, they would try to make them HIGHER! |
06:35.22 | Vincent20100 | ^^^^^^ |
06:35.26 | TekDroid | *facepalm* |
06:35.35 | Tybusen | First of all, you cannot "^" your own comment |
06:35.41 | Vincent20100 | China anbd Ariba are doing so and do just try to |
06:35.43 | Tybusen | Second, I'm still waiting |
06:35.45 | TekDroid | EXCEPT WE'RE NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO |
06:36.02 | Vincent20100 | Tybusen, I have made clear I would answer your thing after the skyscrapper race. Cool down |
06:36.04 | Tybusen | Third, even if it is partially dick-measuring it's still primarily economic viability |
06:36.05 | TekDroid | <PROTECTED> |
06:36.18 | Tybusen | Vincent20100: I'm asking you to answer it now |
06:36.26 | OfficerJackal | SKYSCRAPERS ARE MADE TO SPECIFICATION FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES, THEY DON'T JUST PULL THE HEIGHT OUT OF THEIR ASS. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE A SKYSCRAPER THAT IS FUCKING MASSIVE, BUT THEY END UP NOT USING ALL THAT SPACE? THE KHALIFA? IT'S THAT HIGH BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE THAT HIGH, IT HAS A FUCKING MASSIVE BUSINESS CENTER/APARTMENTS/MALL IN IT. |
06:36.28 | Vincent20100 | ANd I'm telling you to wait |
06:36.28 | Tybusen | You're not going to dodge this question |
06:36.50 | Vincent20100 | Because you think they neded that tower in Arabia?!?!?! |
06:36.52 | Vincent20100 | NO |
06:36.57 | Vincent20100 | Absuolutly not |
06:36.59 | OfficerJackal | Or whatever the hell that big building is... |
06:37.03 | Tybusen | You have insulted me personally by insulting Chinese culture and I'm asking you to answer my goddamn question |
06:37.42 | Tybusen | Vincent20100: Answer. |
06:37.42 | Vincent20100 | Well Tybu, you have wrongly interpret me. I didn't insulted Buddhism, I insulted THIS very statue only |
06:37.47 | TekDroid | Even when Canada built the CN tower it wasn't for measuring, it serves as a major broadcast tower for one. |
06:37.47 | Vincent20100 | WAIT |
06:38.05 | Vincent20100 | Tek, I live in Canada, and CN tower is useless |
06:38.14 | TekDroid | No it's not. |
06:38.17 | Vincent20100 | YEs |
06:38.22 | Vincent20100 | I visited it several time |
06:38.34 | Vincent20100 | They almost broacast nothing from here now |
06:38.35 | TekDroid | Practically every major radio station in Toronto broadcasts from there |
06:38.38 | Tybusen | I take offense to the fact that you're so willing to dismiss an artistic monument to a culture just to prove your incredibly flimsy point |
06:39.06 | Vincent20100 | Well, you have to take things les personnally and with a pitch of salt |
06:39.09 | Tybusen | If you actually did some research on that tower you would know it does have cultural significance and isn't simply a bigger dick |
06:39.25 | Vincent20100 | The Arabian tower? |
06:39.31 | Tybusen | *statue |
06:39.33 | TekDroid | And source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CN_Tower#Use |
06:39.42 | Tybusen | You are taking a handful of salt and rubbing it in the wound, Vince |
06:40.03 | Vincent20100 | Tybu, let'S both take it then |
06:40.26 | Tybusen | I don't understand what you're getting at |
06:40.28 | OfficerJackal | Burj Khalifa? Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Anyways, CN Tower is massive because it needs to broadcast to a very large metropolitan area with a high strength signal, and run numerous frequencies. |
06:40.36 | Vincent20100 | Tek, the other buildings surronding the CN tower makes it hard to broadcast signals from here now because the other towers are too high |
06:40.46 | Vincent20100 | It'S no longer very efficient |
06:40.54 | Vincent20100 | Except for the immediate surronding |
06:41.07 | Tybusen | Do you even know how FM radio works |
06:41.09 | TekDroid | Yet for decades after it was built it served that purpose perfectly |
06:41.17 | Vincent20100 | Toronto downtown was pretty flat when the CN was built, now it's much more high |
06:41.26 | Vincent20100 | And now it's pretty much useless |
06:41.27 | TekDroid | Also that's a lie because it's still much taller than the rest of the city. |
06:41.48 | OfficerJackal | CN Tower is doing fine, I don't know what you are talking about. Also yeah, CN Tower is taller then the rest of the city. |
06:41.49 | OfficerJackal | Seriously. |
06:41.52 | Vincent20100 | The Gouvernment is spending tons and tons of money to maintain it and it would seriously need repairs |
06:41.55 | OfficerJackal | The hell are you talking about? |
06:41.57 | TekDroid | Proof: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Xg8nsDvNWZ2gaHaubAz9nUmxnWUPd-XyANaytoNsAaTvuuLC0uLVB1Bf1GwOPO0gH1mperTaP1nT8JIfn4Lxe9uHwfVsT31BydIabG7gN-qPd9sQoPCDVIANX3ZXrPq5woOiTb4PuQkvsKGSHssRaBIz7F_vFcRcjQOX1KwsGW58gOQymw=w652-h401-nc |
06:42.10 | Vincent20100 | Officer, yes, but it isn'Mt high enough anymore |
06:42.27 | TekDroid | Except it is and still ahas extensive use. |
06:42.30 | OfficerJackal | It obviously is. :/ It's antenna is far above all the other buildings. |
06:42.32 | Vincent20100 | Tek Look at the right of the picture |
06:42.35 | TekDroid | As shown in my link |
06:42.41 | Tybusen | That is a hell of a lot taller than the rest of the city and those other buildings will not interfere at all |
06:42.43 | Vincent20100 | Only the first row of building would get the signal |
06:42.49 | TekDroid | ... |
06:42.51 | Tybusen | ... |
06:42.57 | Tybusen | ...Do you even know how waves work |
06:42.59 | TekDroid | ...you have no idea how radio works. |
06:43.05 | Vincent20100 | THe other behind don't really, they have their own antenanas on top |
06:43.18 | Vincent20100 | Have you visited the tower? |
06:43.26 | Vincent20100 | They clearly say it |
06:43.34 | TekDroid | I lived in the GTA for 18 years. |
06:43.34 | Vincent20100 | It's not even hidden |
06:43.50 | OfficerJackal | Well, with that logic, when you are between the buildings in Manhatten you shouldn't get a signal because all the tall buildings molest it. |
06:43.54 | Tybusen | I trust a Toronto native more on CN Tower than a Quebecois |
06:43.59 | TekDroid | THE ATNENNAS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOWER, NOT THE OBSERVATION DECK. |
06:44.18 | Vincent20100 | Tek, are you in Toronto? |
06:44.21 | OfficerJackal | It just doesn't make sense Vincent, you aren't making any sense. |
06:44.34 | TekDroid | I am from the GTA, born and raised there |
06:44.49 | TekDroid | Except for university in Ottawa |
06:44.54 | Vincent20100 | Just go visit the building, the couple of guides are clearly saying it. |
06:45.03 | TekDroid | ... |
06:45.09 | Tybusen | As a California native I wouldn't question a New York native's knowledge of their own city |
06:45.11 | TekDroid | [Citation needed] |
06:45.30 | Vincent20100 | Well sorry I can't cite a guide |
06:45.34 | OfficerJackal | *Is employed at CN Tower/General Area as guide* > *Bad mouths CN Tower/General Area* |
06:45.34 | Tybusen | Much as you, Vince, a Quebec native, should give some more thought to the fact that Tek knows Toronto in and out |
06:45.34 | OfficerJackal | GG. |
06:45.37 | Vincent20100 | Sorry, you have it on that point |
06:46.01 | Vincent20100 | Officer, it's not bad mouthing, it's being informed on the subject you are talking |
06:46.15 | TekDroid | Give me a source that says it's useless. Anything. |
06:46.25 | TekDroid | You have the entirely bloody internet |
06:46.43 | Vincent20100 | And let's get back to your freaking arabian tower, tellme how in hell it wasn't a poroof of race for skyscrapper? |
06:46.58 | TekDroid | Because nothing else is competing. |
06:46.59 | Vincent20100 | *proof |
06:47.16 | Tybusen | That doesn't excuse you from answering his question Vince, in case that's what you were going for |
06:47.18 | TekDroid | And the previous holder held it for decades. |
06:47.22 | OfficerJackal | Because, it needed to be that tall to house everything it needed to do, which is serve as a residential/business tower all in one. |
06:47.26 | Vincent20100 | Just like the CN tower was built for the same purpose, to built higher and higher |
06:47.32 | TekDroid | ... |
06:47.36 | Tybusen | Also, Vince, I'm still waiting for your opinion of the Cristo Redentor |
06:47.39 | TekDroid | We just discussed this. |
06:47.45 | OfficerJackal | Vincent, no. |
06:47.47 | OfficerJackal | CN Tower. |
06:47.48 | OfficerJackal | Was made. |
06:47.56 | Vincent20100 | Tek, if it was really for radio, a simple radio tower would have worked |
06:48.02 | TekDroid | ... |
06:48.04 | OfficerJackal | To broadcast FM signals across the entire or majority Toronto Metropolitan Area. |
06:48.09 | OfficerJackal | Not to be dick-waving. |
06:48.12 | TekDroid | IT WAS THE BLOODY RADIO TOWER |
06:48.35 | Vincent20100 | They could have been a normal radio tower, which would have been way more cheap |
06:48.53 | TekDroid | ... |
06:48.59 | Vincent20100 | And that still doesn't answer about the Burj either |
06:49.02 | OfficerJackal | Vincent20100: Vincent, please listen to me. You need a tall tower to cover the distances it needs to cover, which is the Toronto metropolitan area. |
06:49.20 | Tybusen | I think the CN Tower also doubles as office space, right? |
06:49.32 | Vincent20100 | There is way more cheap radio towers to build |
06:49.34 | TekDroid | Not really, iirc. |
06:49.43 | OfficerJackal | Ok. |
06:49.43 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast |
06:49.44 | OfficerJackal | So. |
06:49.45 | OfficerJackal | Vincent. |
06:50.01 | Vincent20100 | See? |
06:50.05 | Vincent20100 | It's not even offices |
06:50.32 | Tybusen | Still, CN Tower is far more structurally sound of a tower than the Warsaw mast could ever hope to be |
06:50.45 | OfficerJackal | What you are saying, is instead of that one big tower, Toronto should have just asspulled fifty small ones across the whole area? |
06:50.54 | Vincent20100 | Still, it would have been the economical logic choice |
06:51.24 | Vincent20100 | It was just a way to say "Yay! We have high towers!" |
06:51.24 | Tybusen | A simple radio tower made of mesh iron bars will snap like a twig against a strong wind |
06:51.30 | TekDroid | Warsaw held for a couple decades. CN Tower is still strong after 50 years. |
06:51.47 | OfficerJackal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast#mediaviewer/File:Foto_308_web.jpg - "On 8 August 1991 at 4pm UTC the mast collapsed" |
06:51.53 | Tybusen | A skyscraper-esque radio tower has infinitely more structure and can withstand weather |
06:51.55 | Vincent20100 | No, they are reinforeced. Several radio tower like these are surving (the vast majority) |
06:52.11 | TekDroid | After 50 years the CN Tower can still broadcast across the GTA. |
06:52.18 | Vincent20100 | Jackal, this one crashed, but the majority doesn't |
06:52.27 | Tybusen | You're still not understanding that mesh iron bars are much weaker than stone and iron scaffolding |
06:52.35 | Vincent20100 | And we can sink tax money to maintain it for almost nothing yay |
06:52.56 | Vincent20100 | But it's not the economical choice when Mech iron does the job perfectly |
06:53.19 | Vincent20100 | ANd that still doesn't answer about the Burj tower |
06:53.19 | OfficerJackal | The majority didn't because they aren't nearly as tall and are in less demanding climates. You have to understand, that mesh iron bars at that height and with snow just WILL NOT cut it, at that point you might as well make a small skyscraper for the task. |
06:53.31 | OfficerJackal | Will last alot longer. |
06:53.37 | TekDroid | And it has |
06:53.38 | Tybusen | No, the tower was the economic choice because they wanted a structure that would be able to service the city for a long time without it snapping in literally any strong storm |
06:53.47 | Vincent20100 | Jackal that is false |
06:54.01 | Vincent20100 | The CN tower is 550 meters |
06:54.06 | Tybusen | Mesh iron bars are hilariously weak against a combination of cold and wind |
06:54.09 | Vincent20100 | and radio tower can go above 600m |
06:54.13 | Tybusen | Guess where CN Tower is |
06:54.15 | Tybusen | Canada |
06:54.20 | Tybusen | And guess what Canada is |
06:54.22 | Tybusen | Cold and windy |
06:54.25 | Vincent20100 | There are radio towers in canada and they resist too |
06:54.31 | OfficerJackal | They aren't nearly as tall. |
06:54.33 | Vincent20100 | They still resist the cold and wind |
06:54.40 | Tybusen | Toronto is especially windy because it's next to the Great Lakes |
06:54.45 | TekDroid | Toronto, a city that once needed to call in the army to clear the snow. |
06:54.51 | Vincent20100 | Jackal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast |
06:55.02 | Tybusen | It absolutely needs a sturdy mast instead of some flimsy iron bar shit |
06:55.09 | Vincent20100 | In Quebec too we called the Army to clear the snow |
06:55.15 | TekDroid | Ice and wind, a building wreck extrodinare. |
06:55.22 | Vincent20100 | Still |
06:55.47 | Vincent20100 | Jackal, Tv/radio tower can far exceed the CN |
06:55.58 | TekDroid | Of course, don't trust the engineering student from Toronto on the city of Toronto. |
06:56.21 | TekDroid | Just because they can doesn't mean they need to. |
06:56.37 | Vincent20100 | Still, explain to me how that Burj thing wasn't a rsky race and I will explain the buddha thing |
06:56.44 | TekDroid | The CN tower didn't need to be that high in the 60s. |
06:57.22 | TekDroid | BECAUSE IF IT WAS A RACE THE CN TOWER WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE TALLEST BUILDING FOR FREAKING DECADES |
06:57.59 | OfficerJackal | That mast tower is a guyed mast, which means it isn't self supporting and relies on lines to keep it up, which stands alot better in cold and wind then just a free standing one. Of course, it also takes up a rather large area due to... Well, ropes, and thus is only practical in desolate areas with no buildings in the way. |
06:58.03 | Vincent20100 | Or about the Petronas |
06:58.31 | Vincent20100 | The rope explanation is actually probably the best one so far Jackal |
06:59.13 | Vincent20100 | Or the EMpire State/Chrysler BUilings |
06:59.34 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@ru3.housing.carleton.ca) |
06:59.35 | Vincent20100 | It's just companies/countries wanting to have the biggest. |
07:00.06 | Tybusen | I fail to see your point |
07:00.16 | TekDroid | We've already listed multiple reasons why Toronto needed a big tower, and why a tower was better than an antenna |
07:00.40 | OfficerJackal | No, they were made like that to fit specifications... If nobody needed tall buildings, none would be made and instead we would have massive two/one story buildings that span miles. |
07:01.31 | OfficerJackal | As it stands, both the Chrysler Tower and the Empire State buildings are heavily used today still, and in a city like NYC, where you can't go sideways... Well, you need to go up. |
07:01.56 | Vincent20100 | Jackal, when the EMpire Sate building was completed, it reamined empty for a decade |
07:02.03 | TekDroid | ... |
07:02.08 | Vincent20100 | Same for the Chryslaer |
07:02.42 | TekDroid | Well there's the fact the Empire was built during the great depression, which was followed by WWII. Also, source? |
07:02.56 | TekDroid | *Empure State Building |
07:03.15 | OfficerJackal | Unfortunate timing with the Great Depression and WWII were the reasons why they were vacant, also slightly dum location choice. |
07:03.23 | Vincent20100 | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building#Des_premi.C3.A8res_ann.C3.A9es_difficiles |
07:03.29 | Vincent20100 | It's in french unfortunatly |
07:03.36 | TekDroid | ... |
07:03.42 | Angrybirds | Oh goodness, you guys are -still- arguing about this? |
07:03.47 | TekDroid | Unfortunately |
07:03.55 | Vincent20100 | Use Reverso |
07:04.00 | Vincent20100 | It's a good translator |
07:04.00 | Angrybirds | Give it a rest, go to bed! |
07:04.14 | Vincent20100 | http://www.reverso.net/text_translation.aspx?lang=FR |
07:04.15 | TekDroid | I've already lost an hour of sleep I could have used for my Physics test. |
07:04.48 | OfficerJackal | My grandparents leave early tomorrow morning, at this point I will not be able to get up in time to meet with them before they go if I were to go to sleep. |
07:04.50 | Vincent20100 | ANd still, they built the building Druing the depression |
07:04.56 | Vincent20100 | Not before |
07:05.04 | Vincent20100 | 1929-1931 |
07:05.34 | Vincent20100 | *during |
07:05.35 | Tybusen | Vince, I'm still waiting on that Cristo Redentor question |
07:05.39 | Vincent20100 | Yes |
07:05.54 | TekDroid | Yes, finished 1931. Early in the depression, with 8 years of it left followed by 6 years of war. |
07:06.32 | Vincent20100 | THe depression started in 1929, they should have stopped while it was still at the beginning |
07:06.40 | TekDroid | ... |
07:06.42 | OfficerJackal | What. |
07:07.04 | Vincent20100 | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krach_de_1929 |
07:07.20 | OfficerJackal | Why would you just stop a construction project like that, and leave it like that for 8 fucking years? Because that's how long it took. |
07:07.22 | Vincent20100 | It's in french, but just change it in english |
07:07.31 | OfficerJackal | Reminds me of a certain hotel in North Korea... |
07:07.43 | Vincent20100 | Because when everybody is eating the pets, you have to stop a million dollars buildings... |
07:07.46 | Vincent20100 | Yes! |
07:07.53 | Tybusen | >eating the pets |
07:07.55 | Vincent20100 | We talked about this hotel earlier Jackal |
07:07.59 | Tybusen | What are you implying about Koreans |
07:08.02 | Vincent20100 | No |
07:08.10 | Vincent20100 | During the Depression, people eated their pets |
07:08.18 | Vincent20100 | Sad, but true |
07:09.02 | Vincent20100 | Tybu, he is talking about that North Korean Hotel I talked about earlier |
07:09.16 | Vincent20100 | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B4tel_Ryugyong |
07:09.31 | Tybusen | So, are you implying something about Koreans? |
07:09.53 | Vincent20100 | Not really, except that the North Koreans are crazy |
07:09.59 | Vincent20100 | Wanna argue that? :) |
07:10.04 | Tybusen | North Korean government. |
07:10.09 | Angrybirds | Erm. Guys. |
07:10.10 | Angrybirds | Please. |
07:10.15 | Vincent20100 | Building the biggest (or one of them) in North Korea |
07:10.19 | Angrybirds | This is getting a bit ridiculous. |
07:10.26 | Angrybirds | And by a bit, I mean a lot. |
07:10.27 | Vincent20100 | Come on, we can agree that is totally stupid |
07:10.32 | Angrybirds | Maybe we want to stop? |
07:10.43 | Vincent20100 | Just one last thing, Tybu insisted for it |
07:10.48 | Tybusen | When Vince answers my question |
07:10.48 | Vincent20100 | About the Cristo |
07:11.01 | OfficerJackal | I can't go to sleep now, I won't wake up in time to see my grandparents leave now. |
07:11.15 | Angrybirds | If we allow ourselves to put in last words, we'll be here for another hour. xD |
07:12.01 | Vincent20100 | Honestly, I'm not "comfortable" with the Cristo either |
07:13.12 | Vincent20100 | I would rather have churches than a giant religious figure a top a mountain. |
07:13.18 | TekDroid | I'm already going to be exhausted for my physics test. |
07:13.43 | Vincent20100 | But really, the Cristo isn't as bad as this Buddha statue. At least for the Cristo, they didn't scrapped a ancestral temple |
07:13.57 | OfficerJackal | TekDroid: Forget this conversation and the IRC then, go to sleep for your physics test. |
07:14.04 | Vincent20100 | But seriously, this buddha statue... Come on... |
07:14.05 | OfficerJackal | That's way more important then tsi. |
07:14.08 | OfficerJackal | This* |
07:14.14 | Tybusen | Yeah, Tek, go get some sleep |
07:14.18 | Vincent20100 | For those not knowing what statue it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Temple_Buddha |
07:14.49 | Vincent20100 | They built is an put it on an ancestral temple, damaging a historical monument |
07:14.54 | Vincent20100 | *it |
07:15.05 | Vincent20100 | ANd that is not forgivable |
07:15.26 | TekDroid | Damaging what? A Buddhist temple with a statue of a buddhist god? |
07:15.40 | Vincent20100 | It's not against Buddhism, Buddha or even the Statues of Buddha, it's against THIS statue |
07:15.44 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
07:15.49 | Vincent20100 | It was a very old temple |
07:15.53 | TekDroid | ... |
07:15.59 | Vincent20100 | and in 1997, they just dumped a giant statue on it |
07:16.31 | Vincent20100 | It's like if I would put a statue of the Christ on top of... |
07:16.35 | Vincent20100 | The Arc of Triumph... |
07:16.37 | TekDroid | I give up, this is pointless and you're not listening to a single word. |
07:16.51 | Tybusen | If the Cristo Redentor was built on a cathedral would that be any different to you? |
07:16.59 | Vincent20100 | Maybe |
07:17.03 | Vincent20100 | It depends |
07:17.22 | Vincent20100 | If they built it on top of the St-Pierre Basillica, yes |
07:17.47 | Angrybirds | Or the Invalides. |
07:17.53 | Vincent20100 | *St. Peter's Basilica |
07:17.54 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
07:17.57 | Vincent20100 | See! |
07:18.13 | Vincent20100 | It's not even the statue itself the problem |
07:18.24 | Vincent20100 | It's that they scrapped a historical monumet for it |
07:18.37 | Vincent20100 | *monument |
07:18.38 | Tybusen | Did they really scrap historical monument for it |
07:19.38 | Tybusen | As far as that article says the historical temple wasn't built upon, and the monastery was housed inside the base of the statue after it was built |
07:19.58 | Vincent20100 | I like I just said, it's not even the statue itself. |
07:20.07 | Tybusen | Then what is it |
07:20.26 | Vincent20100 | Just a sec, translating this to make sure |
07:21.15 | Vincent20100 | What do you mean? |
07:21.37 | Tybusen | If it's not the statue itself then what the hell are you complaining about |
07:22.02 | Vincent20100 | No not that that: [02:19] <Tybusen> As far as that article says the historical temple wasn't built upon, and the monastery was housed inside the base of the statue after it was built |
07:22.05 | Vincent20100 | What did you meant? |
07:22.52 | Tybusen | The "historical temple" that you say was desecrated wasn't actually desecrated |
07:23.05 | Tybusen | In fact I think you can see it perfectly intact off to the side |
07:23.29 | Tybusen | And the monastery in the base of the statue was not a historical monastery |
07:23.50 | Vincent20100 | They still altered the site |
07:24.29 | Vincent20100 | would you put a giant statue in front of the St-Peter Basilica or the Invalides? |
07:24.30 | Angrybirds | New York is a historical site, yet it's constantly being altered and lived on. |
07:24.33 | Angrybirds | So is the Earth. |
07:24.48 | Vincent20100 | would you put a giant statue in front of the St-Peter Basilica or the Invalides? |
07:25.12 | Angrybirds | Across the street, sure. |
07:25.12 | Tybusen | I would approve of a statue in front of the St. Peter's Basilica if it was respectful |
07:25.17 | Vincent20100 | I by that I mean, building it now |
07:25.32 | Tybusen | Like, not on top of the doorway but in the courtyard totally |
07:26.11 | Vincent20100 | Well, I'm not fine with that personally. I think historical sites like these should be preserved. |
07:27.09 | Tybusen | Even if you're building it off to the side where it's not actually being built on the original structure itself |
07:27.31 | Vincent20100 | It would have to be a minimal distance from the site |
07:27.41 | Vincent20100 | NOt like 10 km |
07:27.57 | Tybusen | Well of course, that's what I'm saying, you don't build it on top of it but you can build next to it |
07:29.31 | Tybusen | So I'm not understanding why you chose the Spring Temple Buddha to pick on simply to prove your "dick waving contest" argument |
07:29.58 | Vincent20100 | For those woundering about the biggest statues in the world: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/c4/c6/1a/c4c61afef1b68c6601b30de032ac2348.jpg |
07:30.19 | Vincent20100 | This one doesn't calculate the pedestals |
07:30.46 | Tybusen | I'm still not seeing your point |
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07:32.41 | Vincent20100_ | Because the statue was intended to measure 153 meters |
07:32.47 | Tybusen | Screw it |
07:32.50 | Tybusen | I'm too tired for this |
07:32.52 | Vincent20100_ | But then they saaid "Nope! bigger plz" |
07:33.05 | Vincent20100_ | They added an unplanned pedestal of 25 m |
07:33.12 | Tybusen | Why is there a problem with this |
07:33.16 | Vincent20100_ | Although that could be debated |
07:33.32 | Vincent20100_ | They changed the planes, just to make it bigger |
07:34.03 | Tybusen | How are you so sure that they were motivated by making it bigger for the sake of it |
07:34.13 | Vincent20100_ | NOt sure |
07:34.21 | Vincent20100_ | That's why it can be debated |
07:34.38 | Vincent20100_ | The french version isn't exactly the same as the english one |
07:35.17 | Tybusen | English article doesn't question the motivations of building the structure |
07:35.20 | Vincent20100_ | On the french versionm it highky suggest this way |
07:35.28 | Vincent20100_ | *highly |
07:35.48 | Vincent20100_ | LEt me translate it (I still hope my translations are better than the internet). |
07:37.55 | Vincent20100_ | When the monument was first measured, the total hieght was of 153m, with the 25m pedestal not yet built. |
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07:41.09 | Vincent20100 | That's suggesting they built the pedestal to raise it even higher |
07:41.46 | Tybusen | ...no...? |
07:42.00 | Tybusen | There's no suggestion of that in the way you phrased it |
07:42.11 | Vincent20100 | It means, they first built the statue, then measured it |
07:42.55 | Tybusen | They could have built the statue first and planned to build its pedestal afterwards |
07:43.09 | Vincent20100 | You can't build a statue of this size and then install it on a pedestal, that'S impossible. |
07:43.32 | Vincent20100 | http://www.giganticstatues.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Spring-Temple.jpg |
07:43.37 | Vincent20100 | Look at the size of the cranes |
07:43.43 | Vincent20100 | Thhese are heavy lifters |
07:44.04 | Vincent20100 | You were talking about the fragility of metal shafts earlifer... |
07:45.48 | Tybusen | That's scaffolding though. |
07:46.02 | Tybusen | Obviously the pedestal would be designed to hold a statue that size no matter what |
07:47.10 | Vincent20100 | Yah, but I don't it's possible to raize such a massive piece with cranes, or anythinf really |
07:47.25 | Vincent20100 | It has to be built ON the pedestal |
07:47.40 | Vincent20100 | But there again, Tek would be more appropriate to tell so |
07:48.39 | Tybusen | It's perfectly possible to raise that statue with cranes |
07:48.54 | Tybusen | Besides, you only know how tall it is, not how heavy it is |
07:49.58 | Vincent20100 | I know how it weight |
07:50.01 | Vincent20100 | 1.000 tons |
07:50.12 | Vincent20100 | <PROTECTED> |
07:50.27 | Vincent20100 | The wieght of the statue was estimated to well over a 1.000 tons |
07:50.51 | Tybusen | 1 ton is nothing to a crane |
07:51.03 | Tybusen | That's essentially the weight of a 16-wheeler truck |
07:51.13 | Vincent20100 | ANd just look at the pict I send, you can see these are cranes,. The counter wieght is visible |
07:51.43 | Vincent20100 | especially the yellow one on the right |
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08:49.46 | ImpyDroid | Hello |
08:50.13 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink Tybusen: http://i.imgur.com/LDwWx7f.png |
08:51.10 | Liquid_Ink | Hurr |
08:51.20 | Tybusen | Hooray for imperialism |
09:00.04 | ImpyDroid | http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/11/the_ku_klux_klan_wants_you_to_join.html?wpisrc=obinsite wait what |
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09:10.46 | ImpyDroid | Hello |
09:11.10 | ImpyDroid | ~test |
09:11.10 | infobot | test is probably not funny |
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10:01.16 | Wormy_ | https://www.facebook.com/137748819598933/photos/a.139696312737517.13745.137748819598933/876361235737684/?type=1 |
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10:18.56 | Jepardi | Hi |
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10:40.40 | ImpyDroid2 | Liquid_Ink: Was checking Tumblr |
10:40.43 | ImpyDroid2 | > Stateless people Iâve never heard of fascinate me. You think you have an understanding of all the people running about and all of a sudden Sorbs and Yoruba and Lurs. Truly fascinating. |
10:40.54 | Liquid_Ink | Yes? |
10:41.08 | ImpyDroid2 | Aren't Yoruba the largest ethnic group of Nigeria? |
10:41.21 | ImpyDroid2 | I'd say they do have a state |
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10:42.44 | Liquid_Ink | Oh |
10:43.54 | Liquid_Ink | No, they're stateless |
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10:56.09 | Wormy_ | :( |
10:56.20 | Wormy_ | http://www.broadway.org.uk/events/near_now_professor_steve_benford_crafting_interactions |
10:56.28 | Wormy_ | I was all prepared to go to that talk |
10:56.48 | Wormy_ | And the effing printer couldn't connect to the new network |
10:57.01 | Wormy_ | So i couldn't print my ticket |
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11:07.06 | Wormy_ | Luckily it was free entry |
11:07.16 | Wormy_ | So I've not wasted any money |
11:07.53 | Wormy_ | Fucking technology shitting on my face before I go to a talk about how wonderful it can be |
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11:44.40 | ImpyDroid2 | http://liquidink21.tumblr.com/image/102504909120 Haven't heard of that hur |
11:45.20 | Liquid_Ink | Apparently they're doing climate research |
11:45.54 | Liquid_Ink | Which I found hilarious since Abbott took climate change off the agenda of the G20 summit |
11:47.17 | ImpyDroid2 | What does Abbot think of Russia BTW? |
11:48.38 | Liquid_Ink | Really, they're just another form of fear mongering for him. |
11:50.25 | Liquid_Ink | Foreign relations wise, he wants to beat his chest and look strong. The problem is Australia is a very minor power, so Russia is the only country he can actually try to intimidate without everyone laughing at him (since Russia's in the bad books because of Ukraine) |
11:50.45 | Liquid_Ink | And that plane that was shot down. |
11:51.24 | Liquid_Ink | Abbott wants to chestbeat about that |
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12:35.18 | ImpyDroid2 | http://media.carbonated.tv/102387_story__ph1.jpg |
12:36.16 | ImpyDroid2 | Liquid_Ink: Hmmm |
12:36.41 | ImpyDroid2 | What climate did the Karacay's original homeland have? |
12:38.51 | Liquid_Ink | Hmm. |
12:39.06 | Liquid_Ink | Tropical? It was in the Tropical Lands |
12:39.46 | Liquid_Ink | Rainforest |
12:48.50 | ImpyDroid2 | rite |
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14:26.12 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle HachiCollege |
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14:29.48 | HachiCollege_ | fuk |
14:30.00 | HachiCollege_ | College computers auto-log off after an hour |
14:30.31 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle HachiCollege_ |
14:30.31 | infobot | ACTION grabs HachiCollege_ and cuddles until HachiCollege_ begs for mercy |
14:30.37 | HachiCollege_ | <3 |
14:51.09 | HachiCollege_ | College is so boring ngh ;-; |
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15:09.27 | ImpyDroid | Hello |
15:09.45 | HachiCollege_ | Hai |
15:15.26 | ImpyDroid | brb |
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16:48.00 | TekDroid | Wormy_: Are there any materials capable of withstand accelerations in excess of 1000 G? |
16:48.29 | TekDroid | Just curious if you know of any. XD |
16:49.39 | Wormy_ | Not anything specific to that acceleration, though I'm sure strong nano or pico technology could. |
16:50.57 | Wormy_ | V8 Formula One engine, maximum piston acceleration - 8,600 g |
16:51.11 | Wormy_ | So well within the range of modern materials science. |
16:52.04 | Wormy_ | "Rating of electronics built into military artillery shells" 15,500 g |
16:54.33 | TekDroid | Interesting. |
16:56.12 | Ghelae | It's more complex structures, like human bodies, that tend to have problems with high accelerations. The problem is really with how acceleration differs across the structure, and hence the stresses that the structure undergoes. |
16:56.13 | Wormy_ | I found this: "Bacteria have been cultivated while rotating in an ultracentrifuge at 403,627 g." |
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17:01.32 | TekDroid | Hello |
17:03.06 | Vincent20100 | Interesting |
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17:22.15 | drom | 'Murica. https://38.media.tumblr.com/1f075941c0edcfc3620fae0dff95fdce/tumblr_nfbjfrPhwL1qbl0vgo1_1280.png |
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17:24.11 | Hachiman | M'wiki |
17:24.59 | Ghelae | Hello. |
17:25.02 | TekDroid | Hello |
17:27.59 | drom | >no fedora tip |
17:28.01 | drom | get out |
17:28.01 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
17:28.01 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
17:28.35 | Hachiman | <3 |
17:46.45 | Vincent20100 | TekDroid: The cannon was never intended to use for manned mission dah -_- |
17:47.46 | TekDroid | I'm just making a point. |
17:48.18 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
17:48.37 | Vincent20100 | BUt of course it would be suicidal to launch a man with that thing, that's sure |
17:49.05 | Vincent20100 | THe really good point you had was the rocket fuel |
17:49.49 | Vincent20100 | I was planning to add a rocket payload to the projectil to all it to make it's gravitaionnal turn, but yah, centrifuging fuel would probably be bad |
17:51.25 | Vincent20100 | My question would be, would a railgun be able to generate the velocity needed... |
17:52.17 | Vincent20100 | I remember NASA made one able to make the projectile reach 150km/s |
17:55.10 | Ghelae | I don't know what this idea is supposed to be, but it sounds like a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mass_driver |
17:56.14 | Vincent20100 | MY bad, it was 150km/minute, derp |
18:00.11 | Vincent20100 | Yah Ghel |
18:01.10 | Vincent20100 | The question is, could a ground 'cannon' of some sort launch a projectile (containing a ssatellite, no man, of course) to space, maybe with the help of some rockets parts for the gravitationnal turn |
18:03.02 | Ghelae | Yes (like that mass driver, and some other forms of non-rocket spaceflight). It's usually ideal to spread the acceleration across as long a distance as possible, of course, hence the electromagnetic acceleration ideas. |
18:03.23 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
18:03.37 | Vincent20100 | But on the other hand, if it's a 100 km long... |
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18:04.07 | Ghelae | Also, I don't see the problem with combining rocket fuel with high accelerations. It will only explode if there's a chemical reaction, and that should only happen if the fuel and oxidiser mix or if the fuel itself is unstable. |
18:04.34 | Ghelae | The former might happen if the acceleration damages the fuel tanks, but the latter would be a horrendous idea in the first place. |
18:04.37 | Ghelae | ~give Xho a cookie |
18:04.37 | infobot | ACTION gives Xho a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up. |
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18:13.08 | TekDroid | ~test |
18:13.08 | infobot | from memory, test is not funny |
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18:15.01 | Vincent20100 | I see, thanks GHhel |
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18:16.37 | Tek0516 | Hello |
18:17.23 | Monet | Hi |
18:17.24 | Ghelae | Hello. |
18:17.40 | drom | Hey |
18:22.06 | Vincent20100 | HEY |
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18:27.03 | Imperios | Hi |
18:27.08 | Ghelae | Hello. |
18:27.09 | drom | hai |
18:27.31 | OluapWorker | impu |
18:28.16 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Black_Bone_Horde chek |
18:31.57 | drom | I'll get to watch Interstellar this weekend. It's going to be awesome. |
18:33.51 | Wormy_ | Black hole hysicist Kip Thorne worked on the physics, I hope its a more hard/speculative sci-fi |
18:33.53 | Imperios | >while Vargash and Kaicaiusarin are known as "Wiggly Git" and "Spida Weirda |
18:33.56 | Wormy_ | physicist |
18:34.01 | Imperios | >"Wiggly Git" |
18:34.55 | Imperios | 10/10 |
18:35.10 | Imperios | Seriously though they're nice |
18:35.23 | Hachiman | Aye they are |
18:35.28 | Hachiman | dats y u shud maek mor of dem |
18:35.48 | Imperios | >Uglier pudgier elfs's gonna get smashed! |
18:35.58 | Imperios | Humans - http://personaltrainerfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/cartman.jpg |
18:36.18 | AdmiralPanda | Hi all |
18:36.23 | Imperios | Hi |
18:36.56 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: mfw one of the random events in Total War: Shogun 2 is called "Hachiman's Blessing" |
18:37.07 | Hachiman | hur |
18:37.30 | Tek0516 | O.o |
18:38.08 | AdmiralPanda | In a pitched battle for the city of Kyoto, an alliance of about 3'000 Shimazu and Chokosabe troops (my side) fought a force of around 5'000 soldiers from four other clans |
18:38.22 | AdmiralPanda | It turns out that having a good 2'000 katanas is really handy |
18:38.35 | AdmiralPanda | Silly peasants got nothing on my elite samurai |
18:40.23 | Tek0516 | Lol |
18:40.25 | Hachiman | 2000 katanas |
18:40.31 | Hachiman | Literally an army of neckbeards |
18:41.00 | Tek0516 | Since this is Kyoto I'm assuming this is around the Realm Divide trigger? |
18:45.37 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/yLamcfC.png |
18:46.19 | drom | Angrybirds: http://imgur.com/gallery/hL8Os0x |
18:46.45 | Tek0516 | :P |
18:47.10 | Tek0516 | I thought that second one was well played. XD |
18:47.11 | AdmiralPanda | Tek: Naturally. |
18:47.46 | Imperios | Hachiman: They will drown their enemies in miniatures |
18:48.04 | AdmiralPanda | Basically I owned half of Japan, the Chokosabe had a few provinces and some other random clan I allied with had a few more |
18:48.05 | Imperios | TBH I am not sure while neckbeards are so associated with nerdiness |
18:48.31 | Imperios | Chechens often have neckbeards and they are a rather martial people |
18:48.33 | Imperios | http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-06/1308279724_56d622a84903b9805add3a0ba632.jpeg for example |
18:50.11 | Monet | Imperios: The neckbeard is the common stereotyped image of the typical D&D player |
18:50.28 | Imperios | Monet: My point is, not only nerds have neckbeards |
18:50.38 | Imperios | http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-06/1308279724_56d622a84903b9805add3a0ba632.jpeg As I said, does this guy look like a nerd to you? |
18:50.42 | drom | TIL: We have got neckbeards |
18:51.13 | Hachiman | Imperios: That's a proper beard hur |
18:51.32 | Monet | THat guy has a neckbeard for a different reason than the D&D neckbeard would |
18:51.51 | Imperios | Well it sort of extends to the neck |
18:52.07 | Imperios | ...That being said, is it just me or does this guy look like a dwarf? |
18:52.13 | Hachiman | olol |
18:52.20 | OluapWorker | Neckbeards are stereotyped with nerdiness because it fits being a shut-in who doesn't take care of their own hygiene and stays on the internet all day |
18:52.24 | Imperios | Chechens live in the mountains |
18:52.27 | Imperios | So it fits |
18:52.48 | Imperios | Wait |
18:53.01 | Monet | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neckbeard |
18:53.04 | Imperios | Does that mean that Russians have been fighting dwarves for several centuries |
18:53.56 | Monet | ALso the D&D neckbeard is considered unattractive - being unattractive is a common stereotype of nerds and geeks the world over. |
18:54.37 | Imperios | True |
18:55.33 | Monet | In the West, men having clean-cut and minimal facial hair is ocnsidered a sign of good hygene. |
18:56.01 | Imperios | Monet since when are you Captain Obvious |
18:56.53 | Monet | I feel like anything I say these days is inappropriate. |
18:57.21 | Monet | This is probably one of those times |
18:58.37 | drom | In the nordic, long hair actually makes you considered as a "student filth". |
18:58.40 | Hachiman | You know it's also common in the West for people to think that people who take art courses in college or university failed their academic studies and have nowhere else to go |
18:59.27 | Imperios | http://memecollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/im-not-fat-im-hot-text.jpg goddamnit that is actually clever |
18:59.45 | Imperios | May be true |
18:59.54 | Imperios | But I am actually kinda jealous of you and Mon in that regard |
19:00.03 | Imperios | You get something creative and interesting |
19:00.12 | Monet | Hachiman: Yes and I got top marks for a science based course |
19:00.41 | Hachiman | As did I for an IT-based one |
19:01.30 | Imperios | Me? Ancient manuscripts, grammatical systems and calculus |
19:01.37 | Wormy_ | I need IT help :P |
19:01.46 | Hachiman | Imperios: My course isn't exactly an *art* course exclusively, it's an encompassing media course which also involves a lot of publishing |
19:01.47 | Imperios | Okay sometimes linguistics is interesting |
19:02.26 | Monet | Imperios: I say take up a subject that you are interested in. |
19:02.39 | drom | I'm an useless piece of shit who tend to roll down stairs. *walks away with lowered head and proceeds rolling downstairs* |
19:02.48 | Imperios | Monet: I *am* interested in linguistics, it's just that it is subjectively not as creative |
19:02.49 | Hachiman | Or rather take up something practical |
19:02.59 | Hachiman | Because if you don't you're going to end up a basement-dweller |
19:03.17 | Imperios | That too, the branch of linguistics I study is rather practical |
19:03.26 | Hachiman | Linguistics and grammatical systems could lead to you being a teacher perhaps |
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19:03.33 | Imperios | And language is *always* useful, as proven by the very fact I am talking with you right now |
19:03.35 | Hachiman | spu |
19:03.41 | Imperios | Hachiman: Not that kind of linguistics |
19:03.50 | Imperios | Mine is more concerned with computerisation |
19:03.50 | Xho | Christ Jesus finally |
19:03.50 | OluapWorker | spi |
19:03.53 | Imperios | Think Google Translate |
19:03.59 | Xho | I've been trying to reconnect to the internet since I last disconnected |
19:04.00 | Imperios | Also, artificial intelligence |
19:04.02 | Hachiman | Oh right |
19:04.05 | Wormy_ | Does anybody know how to search for a specific file type? I need 99 ACS files, but they are in 99 folders and I want to do this one by one (big because its all the terrain data of a huge chunk of Scotland)#. The search documents function doesn't find ACS when I type it in. Essentially I need to search to find specific files. |
19:04.15 | OluapWorker | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Black_Bone_Horde chek and quoto |
19:04.19 | Wormy_ | *and I DON'T |
19:04.45 | Wormy_ | So then I can drag them into a folder I can work with |
19:05.02 | Imperios | Also codes, encryptions and passwords I think |
19:05.06 | Imperios | IMMA HAK U |
19:05.09 | Xho | "impossible to reason with." Shiarchon - hao bout moar smash Khorloron - where do we sign up |
19:05.09 | Monet | Turns out CG Animation is very broad because i'm being taught philosophy, architecture, historical contexts, fashion design, set design and anatomy alongside 2d and 3d animation. |
19:05.26 | OluapWorker | yee |
19:05.39 | Imperios | Monet: Well, fashion design and history can help |
19:05.54 | Imperios | Philosophy, maybe it's the same reason we are taught psychology |
19:06.08 | Imperios | Not directly needed but kinda related |
19:06.12 | drom | Indeed. When you get the task to make a surreal movie set in 1700's |
19:06.16 | Wormy_ | Imperios: You would really like Godel Escher Bach |
19:06.31 | Wormy_ | the book |
19:06.47 | Imperios | Also |
19:07.55 | Monet | Its this course that revealed to me that King Kong had a racist message of "what if afro-americans ever got a position of influence?" and that Edward Scissorheands includes the message about the dangers of ocnsumerism. |
19:08.10 | Monet | consumerism* |
19:08.35 | Imperios | Monet: Good now I have the mental image of King Kong with Obama's face |
19:09.13 | Tek0516 | O.o |
19:09.46 | Monet | It sounds odd but I find the original Kong looks somewhat like Blackface. |
19:09.50 | Xho | OluapWorker: Quoted |
19:10.19 | OluapWorker | Kebra'Osos - big hed |
19:10.32 | Hachiman | So you're comparing a badly-made monkey face to the face of a black man |
19:11.02 | Imperios | Dat racist |
19:11.14 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: "monkey" has been a racial slur for a long time |
19:11.28 | Imperios | Hachiman: I think he means blackface as in makeup that makes you look like a black guy |
19:11.34 | Monet | http://p1.la-img.com/930/21665/7457225_2_l.jpg that face looks vaguely racist to me |
19:11.52 | Imperios | http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/blackface-public-domain-United-States-Library-of-Congress.jpg stuff like that |
19:12.07 | Imperios | That face makes me cringe and crack simultaneous |
19:12.08 | Imperios | ly |
19:12.20 | Imperios | Monet: I think it is just a gorilla |
19:12.30 | Hachiman | That's just a gorilla face |
19:12.40 | Xho | Kalarah - shup u dum mortal fuk |
19:12.49 | Wormy_ | Same *feels bad*, but then its a bad image |
19:12.55 | Monet | Imperios: http://billsmovieemporium.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/king_kong_1933-24.jpg am I seeing things? |
19:13.07 | Hachiman | Consider the fact that Kong is a giant gorilla, gorillas are black, the theatres only shot in black and white, and people didn't know how to make convincing gorilla puppets/suits |
19:13.25 | Imperios | Okay that is genuinely blackface-ish |
19:13.52 | Imperios | But I think it's just the idea of making an ape humanoid-looking |
19:13.55 | Wormy_ | Also design wasn't cheap |
19:14.02 | Imperios | Ape made human-ish = Human made ape-like |
19:14.49 | Monet | ALso there's the whole thing about him having affections for the female lead. Including trying to undress her. |
19:15.19 | Hachiman | I think you're looking too hard into it |
19:15.59 | Monet | I was told by my course leader there's been countless essays on Kong's racist message |
19:16.43 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/fvCGTCE.jpg |
19:16.56 | Xho | "sssh, no tears, only wrench2 |
19:16.58 | Xho | "* |
19:17.37 | drom | every spy's nightmare |
19:17.53 | Imperios | This discussion reminded me of one WoW video I saw |
19:18.57 | Imperios | Basically, the video's author pointed out that since Blizzard made orcs brown, they started looking like stereotypical black people |
19:19.18 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtpakgIWsJQ |
19:19.24 | Monet | This course is challenging me as to question when something reaches the point of "looking too hard into it". |
19:19.28 | Imperios | Still can't stop watching this video |
19:20.10 | Xho | Honestly I think it's all a matter of somewhat annoying people pushing political correctness |
19:20.18 | drom | brb gotta to bed early so I won't wake up with a paralypsised body full of cramps and labour pains. |
19:20.20 | Hachiman | ^ |
19:20.30 | Hachiman | I have to agree |
19:20.45 | Xho | Political correctness is a blight on society nowadays |
19:21.00 | Imperios | It is a good concept |
19:21.07 | Imperios | It's just that people tend to misuse it |
19:22.08 | Wormy_ | I think that uproar about the scientist wearing the shirt with women on was pathetic. |
19:22.24 | Wormy_ | The guy who landed the probe on the comet |
19:22.39 | Wormy_ | He shouldn't have apologised |
19:22.47 | Hachiman | I doubt that the studio that spent an incredible budget in designing and engineering Kong would have used all of that money just to make a black metaphor film |
19:23.43 | Monet | It had shock value |
19:23.55 | Monet | Shock value sells. |
19:24.18 | Imperios | Well it could be unintentional |
19:24.21 | Imperios | Remember the Neimodians? |
19:24.31 | Imperios | Worse yet |
19:24.35 | Imperios | Jar Jar |
19:24.43 | Wormy_ | The shirt was made by a woman, his friend. It was fantasy themed, and yes, they had bondage. But the philosophy of these non-self critical postmodernist ultra modern internet feminists is that "woman can wear what they want, but oh, we don't like what you are wearing" |
19:25.23 | Wormy_ | If you don't what I'm talking about, look up shirtgate |
19:25.29 | Monet | Imperios: I heard something about Nemodians being Asian stereotypes but I haven't heard anything about Jar Jar other than being a blight on the prequals' credibility |
19:25.47 | Imperios | Monet: Think about it |
19:25.53 | Wormy_ | The guy was attacked as a misogonyst |
19:26.04 | Monet | And that conspiracy that Palapatine's rise ot power was his fault |
19:26.05 | Imperios | Huge lips, huge ears, speaks in broken English, is a slave |
19:26.22 | Wormy_ | I'm not anti-feminist but I don't like its modern incarnation of internet warriors. |
19:26.32 | Imperios | Wormy_: I agree |
19:26.46 | Monet | Imperios: A slave? Really? |
19:26.53 | Imperios | Well a servant |
19:27.05 | Imperios | Okay I might be looking too hard into it |
19:27.10 | Hachiman | Yes you are |
19:27.27 | Imperios | But again, Neimodians |
19:27.43 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: It's not even really conspiracy, I mean sure he was manipulated into it but he DID make the motion to give the Chancellor emergency poewrs |
19:27.49 | Monet | OKay Nemodians were a bit of a gaffe. |
19:28.09 | Wormy_ | Instead of looking at real problems of women, perhaps in the wider world, they concetrate on trivial matters. Oh and look at how Anita Sarkeesian is portrayed as an academic by the media. She doesn't deserve to be threatened but her work is very unacademic and has been criticised but being disonest and not objective. |
19:28.50 | Monet | But I'm starting to wonder Hachi if there is anything lately we ever -do- agree on. |
19:29.05 | AdmiralPanda | Take that discussion to PM |
19:29.22 | Wormy_ | I just don't like overly PC pressure groups in general. My younger cousin told me how they are not even allowed to play in the playground anymore if their teaches deem it "cold". I don't like this nannying either its ruining everything |
19:29.43 | Imperios | Wormy_: Fighting for social justice is acceptable if there is a genuine problem |
19:29.48 | Wormy_ | yeah |
19:30.22 | Wormy_ | Trouble is, its often the most vocal that get the most attention, so real social justice is overshadowed. |
19:30.30 | Imperios | Like racism in, say, South Africa or Caucasus, or homophobia in Russia |
19:30.35 | Imperios | Although admittedly |
19:30.42 | Imperios | The latter problem is *ours* |
19:30.56 | Wormy_ | With no evaluation of their claims present, its like a weird fad |
19:31.07 | Imperios | I don't like when other people deem us barbaric or admonish us because we are apparently less tolerant |
19:31.14 | Imperios | As in, foreigners, Europeans etc |
19:32.22 | Monet | This recent argument is why I don't talk as much as I used to. |
19:32.38 | Wormy_ | https://twitter.com/Eggkin/status/533383029083754496?lang=en |
19:33.10 | Hachiman | Don't try guilt tripping me Monet because that's a tactic that doesn't work |
19:33.53 | Monet | Hachiman: No point I know. |
19:36.13 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: Actually, I developed a bit of respect for Putin when I read that speech he made at one of the global conferences. For all the bad things he does, that guy has his shit together. |
19:36.43 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: How do you mean? |
19:37.15 | Hachiman | >Implying Putin is a traitor and not the God-Emperor |
19:37.57 | OluapWorker | God-Emputor |
19:38.01 | AdmiralPanda | I can't remember which conference it was, but Putin basically laid out Russia's position in global politics and told the rest of the world they were done playing nice. Kinda glad to see a politician who actually talks strate for a change |
19:38.48 | Imperios | Yes that is Putin for you |
19:39.38 | Hachiman | Reminds me of Margaret Thatcher |
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19:42.47 | Wormy_ | Help |
19:42.57 | Wormy_ | I need IT help |
19:43.27 | Wormy_ | I want to extract 100 compressed folders, but using extract all only extracts one |
19:43.41 | Wormy_ | Even if I select them all |
19:43.45 | Hachiman | Hmm |
19:44.14 | Hachiman | Yeah "extract all" means as in extracting everything from one folder I believe |
19:44.31 | Wormy_ | Each folder contains multiple files, and only one I need from each, and I want to copy and move them to a work folder |
19:44.39 | Imperios | I think that internal politics aside, Putin is not really THAT worse than any other important political leader |
19:44.53 | Imperios | What makes him different is that he is more blunt and straightforwards |
19:44.58 | Imperios | in his ambitions |
19:45.00 | Wormy_ | Otherwise its manual labour D: |
19:45.31 | Wormy_ | I think you are right |
19:45.40 | Hachiman | Well |
19:45.46 | Hachiman | Manual labour never hurt anyone hur |
19:45.48 | Wormy_ | about them only extracting one |
19:46.09 | Hachiman | Imperios: That's rather admirable I gotta say |
19:46.23 | Hachiman | One thing that makes me wonder is how in the world he's still Prime Minister |
19:46.41 | OluapWorker | Prime Putin |
19:46.47 | OluapWorker | Prutin |
19:47.01 | Wormy_ | I'm making a gological map of my fieldwork in the Islse of Arran, and then I want to present it in 3D now I have learned how to. So its a lot of elevation data lol |
19:47.08 | Wormy_ | *geological |
19:47.17 | Imperios | He has not been a prime minister for six years u |
19:47.26 | Imperios | actually, wait, two |
19:48.09 | Hachiman | So wait how long has he been around |
19:48.22 | OluapWorker | Pootis is eternal |
19:48.41 | Imperios | Hachiman: From 2000 |
19:49.00 | Imperios | Lemme explain, Putin's form of government is odd |
19:49.15 | Imperios | Basically, Russian law states that a president can only serve two consecutive terms |
19:49.17 | Hachiman | So he's not the Prime Minister yet somehow he's still leading Russia? |
19:50.06 | OluapWorker | Form of government: Putin |
19:50.16 | Imperios | Putin was elected president in 2000 and served two terms; afterwards in 2008, his second-in-command, Medvedev, was elected, and Putin was made prime minister |
19:50.23 | Imperios | OluapWorker: Essentially, yes |
19:51.01 | Imperios | After Medvedev served for one term (that's until 2012), Putin was reelected president and Medvedev was made prime minister |
19:51.41 | OluapWorker | Well, Russian politics aren't that different from Brazilian ones then |
19:51.57 | OluapWorker | Our current president and the previous one are practically the same government |
19:52.08 | OluapWorker | Both reelected twice |
19:52.23 | Hachiman | At least it's not a military dictatorship again though |
19:52.39 | OluapWorker | Stil the same shit for 12 years |
19:52.46 | OluapWorker | We got close to changing this year |
19:52.48 | Imperios | hur |
19:52.48 | OluapWorker | REALLY close |
19:53.01 | Imperios | So it's essentially a cycle |
19:53.05 | Wormy_ | Imperios: Didn't you say during elections, it was found they were using dead people's votes? |
19:53.13 | OluapWorker | The damn bitch won with what 52% of the votes |
19:53.18 | OluapWorker | what, |
19:53.21 | Imperios | Wormy_: Not sure, but possibl |
19:53.22 | Imperios | e |
19:53.31 | Hachiman | The Brazillian government are the Reapers? |
19:53.36 | Imperios | Putin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqN2yZ26Jic#t=29 |
19:53.52 | Imperios | Russian government, too |
19:53.52 | OluapWorker | They're not competent enough to turn people into greater beings |
19:54.03 | Imperios | Putin is actually the Catalyst |
19:54.04 | Wormy_ | Also Imperios: Do you erm, ever feel worried about talking about the Russian governmentg on the internet |
19:54.19 | OluapWorker | Everyone hates him and wishes he wasn't born? |
19:54.46 | Imperios | I am not large enough a figure to be targeted, nor am I particularily hostile towards Putin |
19:54.46 | Wormy_ | I actually don't want to diss the British one too hard, because if they wanted to put me down for any reason, they'll use it as evidence as had happened to people |
19:54.55 | Imperios | OluapWorker: Outside Russia, yes hur |
19:55.05 | Imperios | Okay, Harbinger then |
19:55.13 | OluapWorker | Same deal |
19:56.20 | Wormy_ | I heard about this police station (there was a barrier to the media) that had a sex dungeon in the basement. The people who exposed over several years were imprisined for petty or suspected crimes for years |
19:56.28 | Wormy_ | This is in the UK |
19:56.54 | Hachiman | Fucking hell |
19:57.13 | Wormy_ | I wish I could find out more about it |
19:57.19 | AdmiralPanda | I do have to ask who was actually using the sex dungeon and where the money to maintain it came from |
19:57.42 | Wormy_ | Well, they would pick up youths or kids from the streets |
19:57.45 | OluapWorker | The cops were the victims all along |
19:57.48 | OluapWorker | plot twist woooo |
19:58.01 | OluapWorker | Imperios: Can you play D&D this sunday? |
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19:58.22 | Imperios | Ya I think |
19:58.29 | OluapWorker | gud |
19:58.35 | OluapWorker | Because I can't DM at saturdday |
19:58.56 | Hachiman | I'm going out on Saturday as well |
19:59.05 | Hachiman | Like, not staying out, but just out |
20:01.27 | Imperios | I actually am subscribed to an anti-Putin public on VK |
20:01.30 | Imperios | It is actually hilarious |
20:01.34 | Imperios | http://cs624527.vk.me/v624527268/6218/GyAyxFfw_LY.jpg |
20:04.37 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of political correctness, black people and empires |
20:05.15 | ImpyDroid | I should work on Prophet Stone |
20:06.01 | Hachiman | But |
20:06.04 | Hachiman | Javina isn't black |
20:06.28 | ImpyDroid | But Carlini is |
20:07.12 | ImpyDroid | I will have some flashbacks showing the Inquisitors' past and I wonder what kind of training Inqs would endure |
20:07.42 | ImpyDroid | Like I don't have much experience with military/assassin training |
20:07.45 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: I'm getting into LoL |
20:07.50 | AdmiralPanda | Ritualistic torture |
20:08.01 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: ohgod now I'm going to have to start playing again |
20:08.09 | Xho | do it fgt |
20:08.20 | Xho | So far I seem to be good with Pantheon |
20:08.41 | Xho | Turns up and just fucks up the team |
20:09.00 | ImpyDroid | >Ritualistic torture |
20:09.25 | ImpyDroid | Javina and Carlini - can we do it together â¡:~:â¡ |
20:09.36 | ImpyDroid | Okay that was kinda too much |
20:09.49 | Xho | Inquisition - heresy |
20:11.19 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: Tried using Tryndamere, probably not the best champion to begin with |
20:12.04 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: Trynd is hard to figure out, despite his reputation. |
20:14.01 | Xho | Yeah |
20:14.03 | Xho | All I can say is |
20:14.08 | Xho | Squishy rage mode |
20:14.12 | Xho | Suits me well |
20:18.52 | AdmiralPanda | The problem is, everyone knows exactly how to beat him. Either you wait patiently and ambush the enemy when their CC is down, or you die horribly |
20:19.45 | Xho | CC is a pain in the arse that's for sure |
20:21.16 | Xho | http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/546e3cd762121.jpg #rekt |
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20:31.39 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
20:33.37 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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20:37.28 | Wormy_ | My brain scrambled " Squishy" and "Suits" as "Squits" and it made me think you was having raging diarrhoea. |
20:37.54 | Wormy_ | Because you said "rage" and and "arse" as well# |
20:38.45 | Wormy_ | steps slowly away |
20:38.58 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
20:40.36 | DrodoEmpire | "My elderly male king was impregnated by his gay lover" - CKII thread title |
20:44.52 | AdmiralPanda | um |
20:46.17 | DrodoEmpire | ...Its a weird game. XD |
20:47.20 | AdmiralPanda | Clearly |
20:47.34 | DrodoEmpire | Very fun though |
20:53.57 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: Love always finds a way hur |
20:54.15 | Xho | Hachiman: Just got a hold of PCSX2 and downloading Soulcalibur III |
20:55.08 | DrodoEmpire | Impy: lol |
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21:09.39 | TekDroid | Hello |
21:46.07 | DrodoEmpire | test |
21:48.20 | Wormy_ | I love doing scientific projects and listening to space ambience. |
21:49.13 | Wormy_ | Mapping geological structures and using terrain data analysis using a GIS mapping program |
21:49.30 | Wormy_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D4mDTQzMl8 |
21:52.43 | Wormy_ | I suppose what it is about science I like is the interpretation and theory, and the unveiling of the unseen. Often the unseen can be counter intuitive or deeply mysterious (such as in the case of quantum phenomena, or at high velocities and/or near large masses). I suppose that's what makes the growth of knowledge exciting, a reach towards new experience and new thought |
21:54.44 | Wormy_ | But even Galilean physics for counter-intuitive. |
21:54.49 | Wormy_ | *was/is |
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22:13.02 | Wormy_ | Wow, looks like some faults and dykes on my map aren't even on the official survey map (thats because in reality, field geologists rush through quickly and don't look at detail) |
22:15.32 | Wormy_ | But then I had 10 days |
22:15.51 | Wormy_ | They had a few hours to do several kilometres |
22:16.45 | Wormy_ | And were working at a scale easily 10:50,000 while mine is 10:10,000 |
22:18.54 | Wormy_ | Its true that "geology is not an exact science", but then what is? Mathematics? No, by the 20th century chaos theory and undecidability came along. |
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23:20.32 | Wormy_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/tASrcBw |
23:21.08 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
23:21.39 | Wormy_ | Hachiman tries to tell a joke http://imgur.com/gallery/kYa5t0z |
23:23.46 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
23:24.18 | Wormy_ | Mr President got ID'd http://imgur.com/gallery/NeaeRrI |
23:25.16 | Wormy_ | You cannot explain this http://i.imgur.com/9obQ7gT.gif |
23:30.20 | Wormy_ | Re: http://i.imgur.com/c0KiiJT.jpg |
23:39.18 | Wormy_ | Ooh http://www.pcgamer.com/maxis-job-listing-suggests-its-next-project-is-a-free-to-play-mmo/ |
23:40.35 | Wormy_ | Simulation MMO |
23:40.44 | Wormy_ | Two of my fav genres in one? |
23:40.50 | Wormy_ | is already excited |
23:41.02 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I must go |
23:50.42 | Tek0516 | I'm in a lecture about every type of engineering except mine, and he tells us all to close our laptops. -.- |
23:53.20 | Tek0516 | >.< This guy seriously expects me to listen to a lecture about other programs. |