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02:17.53TekDroidThe one thing I despise about Skype is the fact I need the task manager just to close it.
02:18.13TekDroidAnd my family wonders why I'm never logged in. >.<
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02:31.02DrodoEmpireHere's one sci-fi weapon that rubs me the wrong way; Antimatter hand grenades
02:31.11DrodoEmpireIts a pretty bad idea
02:31.12DrodoEmpire:P
02:31.47DrodoEmpireTrying to fit so many volitile materials and complex technology into one, handheld device is asking for trouble no matter what
02:32.16DrodoEmpireIf a single one's (no doubt precarious and constantly-active) containment failed, it could be an utter disaster. :P
02:32.24DrodoEmpirePlus imagine the production costs
02:53.53TekDroidImagine if the storage got it.
02:54.17TekDroid*got hit
02:55.52Halopediaman"Antimatter hand grenades" - For when you want to clear a whole city with you still in it.
02:58.24TekDroidJust 1 gram of matter/antimatter is 90 terajoules
02:59.14TekDroidMeanwhile we still measure most of our larger power plants in mega or giga.
03:01.41TekDroidHuh. 1 gram of antimatter collision is equivalent to running Three Gorges damn for a bit over an hour. XD
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03:07.02TekDroidHello
03:07.14DrodoEmpireHey VInce
03:07.22Vincent20100HEy guys
03:07.33Vincent20100It's so nice to be greeted when you enter ^^
03:08.43DrodoEmpire^
03:09.18TekDroid^^
03:55.03Vincent20100Dammit, nobody is on Katar :(
04:06.19Vincent20100Working on the Caribbean page
04:09.50Vincent20100Do you think somekink of land cannon could be used to place satellites into orbit?
04:10.08Vincent20100Or at least give them the head start and then use their rocket parts?
04:31.47TekDroidNot unless you intend to have it fly at several times the speed of sound with no thrust
04:33.03TekDroidAka no.
04:39.04Vincent20100Well, it could be used to launch unmanned satellites, no?
04:39.59Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sovereign_Caribbean_Federation#History
04:40.05Vincent20100I added lots of stuff in the SCF page
04:40.10Vincent20100Demography and History
04:43.38Vincent20100455 vs mine 101...
04:43.47Vincent20100F*** you too M&B
04:44.39Vincent20100HO... it's mostly peaeant and militias
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04:52.29Vincent20100HEy Tybusen
04:52.30Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sovereign_Caribbean_Federation#History
04:52.36Vincent20100Added stuff to the SCF
04:53.24TybusenIt could use some work but what you have so far is a good basis, perhaps
04:54.02Vincent20100-_-
04:54.28TybusenThat is my honest opinion of it
04:54.33Vincent20100I'm laying out the space age for the SCF
04:56.32TybusenI would question the launching of orbital cannons before putting a man in space (let alone before the first spacewalk), as well as that orbital cannons could potentially violate space arms treaties depending on what the state of those treaties is after WWIII
04:59.45Vincent20100It is used to launch unmanned satellites and materials for space stations
05:00.08TybusenThe name "orbital cannon" suggests otherwise
05:00.34Tybusen"Orbital Platform" or even simply "Space Station" would be better alternatives if that was what you're intending
05:01.26TybusenSince "Orbital Cannon" almost exclusively connotates an orbital weapon designed to perform precision strikes on a planet's surface from orbit
05:02.08Vincent20100Orbital Cannons were also concepts of ground based "cannons'' used to launch satellites into orbits
05:02.53TybusenWell, you should still change the terminology since "cannon" has a much higher association with weaponry than propulsion
05:06.00Vincent20100Well, still better than "Space gun" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_gun
05:08.13TybusenThat still doesn't change the fact that "orbital cannon" is probably an inappropriate term for what you are describing
05:08.45Tybusen"Orbital Platform", "Orbital Launcher", "Space Station", or "Launch Platform" would probably make better alternatives
05:08.54Vincent20100And I actually went reading on space arms treaties and it would not really theorically prevent ''space cannons''
05:09.06Vincent20100The space arms treaties only concern WMD
05:09.14TybusenI think you are misunderstanding my point here
05:09.30Vincent20100Nah, I got it, but it's still good to point it out
05:09.48TybusenThe point is that the phrase "orbital cannon", at least in SporeWiki canon, holds the connotation of orbital strike weapon
05:10.50TybusenSpace arms treaties likely don't ban orbital cannons because technology isn't advanced yet to produce a non-ballistic missile orbital weapon
05:10.54Vincent20100Alright, will switch it for Launcher
05:11.04TybusenLauncher would be better
05:11.25Vincent20100Well, according to the treaty, conventionnal weapons are still allowed in space, it's not really clear
05:12.00Vincent20100The space arms treaty was mostly made to prevent the placment of nuclear warheads in orbit
05:12.17TybusenThe United States would most certainly not allow Russia or China to put a orbital laser cannon in orbit above New York, for example
05:12.21TybusenThat's what I'm talking about
05:12.34TybusenMost modern "conventional" weaponry is not effective from orbit
05:13.15Vincent20100Yah, but the states could place a space cannon above themselves
05:13.24Vincent20100A bit like GDI did, to control the population
05:14.23TybusenI still doubt that anyone would allow a weapon capable of orbital strikes to reach the launchpad as long as current space treaties stand
05:14.53TybusenAnd even less so in the competitive space era portrayed in the post-WW3 human canon
05:15.27Vincent20100Well, people said that for Nuclear warheads too and still...
05:15.59Vincent20100Orbitial weapons could be justified a bit like Nukes, to "keep the peace"
05:17.17Vincent20100The Nuclear powers signed non-proliferation treaties and India, Isreal and Iran still managed to get some
05:17.23AngrybirdsExcept we're talking about a union of tiny caribbean nations as opposed to two empires who could defend themselves if attacked.
05:17.56AngrybirdsAnd who can ignore treaties at will because they have the economic and military strength to back it up.
05:18.29AngrybirdsEconomically and militarily weak nations don't have that luxury, and actually tend to rely more on international law for protection.
05:19.01TybusenYou have a point but it's not entirely fair to compare nukes and orbital weapons
05:19.54TybusenFor one, nukes can be concealed relatively easy and still have strike potential, which is why people take nuclear non-proliferation very seriously yet people can still get their hands on nukes
05:20.20Vincent20100Well Angry, again, smaller nations (relatively poor) managed to get nukes
05:20.41TybusenOn the other hand, orbital weapons are useless until in orbit, and are easily shot down if caught before they can set up
05:20.54AngrybirdsManaging to hide nukes is different from launching something into space which can be shot down.
05:21.09TybusenTherefore it is much, much easier for the international community to enforce a ban against orbital weapons rather than nukes
05:21.10Vincent20100In the midst of a nuclear war (WW3), who will tell them to stop?
05:21.26AngrybirdsAny of their opponents?
05:21.55Vincent20100Yah, true
05:22.19Vincent20100About comparing nukes to Orbital weapons, well, that is purely speculative, of course
05:22.39TybusenAnti-satellite technology is far more advanced than satellite defense technology in the present, and will remain that way for the foreseeable future until powerful deflection shielding is invented
05:22.54Vincent20100IN the context, it was assumed Orbital Weapons would be the new WMD
05:22.59TybusenWhile there isn't really such a thing as anti-nuke technology
05:23.13Vincent20100^+10 for that
05:23.15TybusenOrbital weapons can be WMD if they're allowed to set up a large enough presence
05:23.38Vincent20100I hate when those freaky americansky are like "Muh' missile shield''
05:23.51TybusenIf you set up a large enough network of them and then either lead a decapitation strike against the enemy or mark down all of their anti-satellite weaponry, you essentially get a free pass
05:24.23TybusenThe thing is, though, no nation in their right mind will let another nation get that far
05:24.41TybusenAnd it is much, much easier to prevent someone from getting that far with an orbital weapon
05:25.15Vincent20100Okay, but I still keep my ground Orbital Cannons to launche my satellites in orbits
05:25.29Vincent20100*Launchers
05:25.48TybusenOrbital Launchers are perfectly acceptable
05:26.08Vincent20100I will mess with the "feasibility" later...
05:26.29Vincent20100The projectiles will probably have concealed rockets inside them to escape orbit
05:27.12TybusenI would imagine that you would still want to make sure your space travel technology can safely bring a human into orbit and back before you would start building an orbital launcher
05:27.30TybusenAt least, a space-based one
05:27.30Vincent20100I located them on Curacao and Port-Au-Prince instead of Cuba, to not be too Cuba-centric
05:28.01TybusenA ground-based space launcher is perfectly feasible for any stage in their space development once someone invents it elsewhere in the world
05:28.09Vincent20100Orbital cannons could be a more economic way to send material into orbits, while mens travel in shuttles
05:28.27Vincent20100It could unique to the Caribbean :)
05:28.43TybusenYou still need someone to unload the material to the orbital platforms
05:28.46TybusenUnless it's robotic
05:29.03Vincent20100I mean, when you look at it, you tell yourself "Ho my gosh, that thing is risky!" which would fit for a poorer nation
05:29.27Vincent20100Well, shuttles from space stations would collect them once in orbit
05:29.30Tybusen"risky" as in risky to the astronaut's lives or "risky" as in financially risky?
05:29.45TybusenEither way I would imagine a poor nation would want to cut the risk involved
05:29.49Vincent20100Risky in the sense of "Crazy Technology"
05:29.50TybusenEven more so than a rich nation
05:30.39Vincent20100Richer nation would rather invest in "classical means", while poorer nations, in attempt to get to space at all cost, would be ready to use "Crazier stuff"
05:30.52Vincent20100Like gigantic cannons ^^
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05:31.31TybusenYou have to remember though that a poorer nation also has less resources and would likely place more value on a low-risk system than a high-risk system
05:32.19TybusenIt would be better to spend $100 million on a reliable method than to spend $10 million on a highly risky method that has a relatively low chance of working
05:32.40Vincent20100Actually, that isn't entirely true
05:33.11Vincent20100India is currently making space launches and they chose to make cheaper rockets to be able to launch more of them in case of failure
05:33.53Vincent20100If I remember correctly, rocket mission of India costed like 10M$ each, rather than 500M
05:35.27Vincent20100It cost less to make and Indian space mission than a movie
05:35.27Vincent20100http://s3.mirror.co.uk/mirror/ampp3d/articles/indiafilms.jpg
05:35.38Vincent20100*an
05:36.19TybusenHow well has it worked out for them, though?
05:36.37Vincent20100It hasn't reached Mars yet
05:36.38Vincent20100http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/AI-CL004_IMARS2_G_20140924010510.jpg
05:36.55Vincent20100On a more serious note, this is the cost compared between several countries
05:36.59Vincent20100for a mission to Mars
05:37.37Vincent20100THe Indian Mission actually left Earth orbit
05:37.50Vincent20100While Japan and China (Russia)'s missions falled
05:38.14Vincent20100It's actually China's mission, but they are using Soviet Vostok rockets
05:39.21TybusenBut was India's Mars mission using traditional rocket launches or a space launcher?
05:39.27Vincent20100Notice how NASA anbd India's missions will almost arrived on the same date
05:39.47Vincent20100They were using a new type of rockets
05:40.35Vincent20100Let's remember the SCF built their "Cannons" in 2249 and 2362.
05:40.38TybusenIt doesn't really contribute to your point then, because then it's perfectly logical for a poorer nation to buy cheaper equipment to save on costs
05:40.54TybusenCheaper equipment isn't the same thing as experimental technology
05:40.58Vincent20100There is more than a 2-3 hundreds yeras of gap
05:41.24TybusenCheaper equipment has a level of reliability due to having been tested before, while experimental tech lacks that reliability that makes it economically viable
05:41.33Vincent20100Well, their rocket was an experimental one
05:42.01TybusenIt is still a traditional rocket launch, though, if I'm not mistaken, not a space gun/launcher-style launch
05:42.08Vincent20100They tested it, twerk it several time and got something viable, something that can be applied to any techs
05:42.53Vincent20100Rockets too were experimental at one point, but over time they got tweaked and improved and i gave something viable
05:43.07Vincent20100*and gave something...
05:43.11TybusenBut it was wealthy countries who had to lead the way with rocket technology
05:43.34TybusenA poorer country does not have the resources to constantly be tweaking an experimental technology
05:43.46Vincent20100NOt really, it was Nazy Germany, a country with limited resources to spent
05:44.07TybusenThe Nazis invented it, but it was the US and USSR who refined it as you speak of
05:44.23Vincent20100Nazy Germany's resources were limited, they had very very high expanses to maintain, and gived very little to rockets development
05:44.36Vincent20100It's the Nazis who reached space first
05:44.42TybusenThat's incorrect
05:44.49TybusenYou've got your facts completely wrong
05:44.59TybusenThe Nazis never went to space
05:45.25TybusenThey did invent the first viable rocket technologies, the V-1 and V-2 rockets, but those were more akin to cruise missiles than space rockets
05:45.48TybusenThe US and USSR invented space-capable rocketry
05:46.08Vincent20100http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/edn-moments/4397678/German-rocket-is-1st-to-reach-space--October-3--1942
05:47.59TekDroidVincent: Also the cannon doesn't work because it needs to capable of accelerating it to far past escape velocity as you'll experience a LOT of drag.
05:49.05TybusenWhat Tek says is true, not to mention I don't think we have any explosive force safe enough for surface use that has the force to propel a feasible space cargo to drag-adjusted escape velocity
05:49.33AngrybirdsMaybe a space elevator instead?
05:49.45Vincent20100TekDroid Projectiles can carry small rocket payloads with them
05:50.21Vincent20100Which, theorically, could allow them to make their gravitaionnal turn
05:50.44TekDroidForce aside, if we assumed launches took 1s, even if there was no friction escape velocity is 6.6km/s, which means you need to have extremely delicate equipment experience several hundred times the force if gravity.
05:51.34Vincent20100Angrybirds: Space elevators would be very costly in 2200-2300, even for France
05:51.37TybusenNot to mention you need to make sure the capsule you're sending it in doesn't burst from the launch force itself
05:52.04TekDroidEssentially, imagine your satellite having a thousand times its weight dropped on it suddenly.
05:52.26TekDroidWith a thousand being a generous underestimate, frankly.
05:52.30Vincent20100Yah, there is several technical issues that makes it impossible in 2014, but in 2249, it's what, 235 years into the future
05:52.45TekDroidNot even.
05:53.32Vincent20100SPace elevators, to be kinda affordable, would have to be attached to the moon
05:53.37TybusenI don't know if materials science could make the leaps and bounds necessary to make space gun/launcher tech viable within 200 years even
05:53.46TekDroidVincent20100: not at all
05:54.16Vincent20100Building a tower that reach the Stratosphere and be able to carry cargo to the top -_-
05:54.31Vincent20100My space cannon seems more reasonnable at that point
05:54.43TybusenSpace elevators are incredibly tricky, yes, and are even less viable than space launchers
05:55.09TybusenYou're essentially building a skyscraper to the stratosphere
05:55.17TekDroidWell considering the biggest issues with the cannon are Earth's atmosphere and forces measuring in the thousands of g, this is impossible by many centuries.
05:55.21Vincent20100The only way I would really see a space elevator work is by attaching to a natural satellite
05:55.36TekDroidFrankly impractical in any possible way.
05:55.39TybusenI think space elevators are just flat out unfeasible at any technology level
05:55.49Vincent20100The highest man-made buildings on Earth are Television towers
05:56.13Vincent20100But do you imagine carrying up materials for a space station on a television tower? -_-
05:56.29TybusenThe amount of structural adjustments needed to keep a tower stable at such a height against wind force and the effect of the curvature of the earth make it very difficult to perfect
05:56.46Vincent20100Building a whole new planet seems even more feasible
05:56.55TybusenAlso, the highest man-made building on Earth is a hotel, not a TV tower
05:57.00Vincent20100By colliding some asteroids togheter
05:57.10TekDroidWhat's wrong with just using conventional rockets for the scf though?
05:57.42TybusenArtificial planet husbandry is not as simple as colliding asteroids together, but I would agree that once you have the technology for it, planetary husbandry is easier than space elevators
05:58.00Vincent20100Tybusen: I'm pretty sure it's isn't a habitable structures that are the highest
05:58.53TybusenVincent20100: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa
05:59.10Vincent20100Yah
05:59.11Vincent20100829.8 m
05:59.35Vincent20100But that is the catch Tybusen
05:59.41Vincent20100THe word "Building"
06:00.05TybusenIt's literally the tallest *structure* built by man
06:00.19TybusenThere is literally nothing
06:00.20Tybusennothing
06:00.22Tybusentaller than it
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06:00.39Vincent20100_So, that'S the catch, the word "building"
06:00.44TybusenIt's literally the tallest *structure* built by man
06:00.47TybusenThere is literally nothing
06:00.48Tybusennothing
06:00.51Tybusentaller than it
06:00.59Vincent20100_For a structure to be considered a "building", it has t allow for human living for a long period
06:01.18TybusenThat doesn't change anything
06:01.23AngrybirdsWhy is it that the United Arab Emirates has the tallest building.
06:01.31TekDroidIt's still the tallest structure
06:01.41TybusenNot to mention the Burj Khalifa is very specifically a residential structure
06:01.46TekDroidAngrybirds: I thought the new WTC beat it though?
06:01.52TybusenAnd structure is a supercategory to building
06:01.56Vincent20100_I'm not sure, I remember reading some radio/tev towers could go as up as kilometers, but let me see
06:02.02TybusenTekDroid: Freedom Tower is the tallest in North America
06:02.06AngrybirdsTekDroid: I'm not sure that's been built yet.
06:02.06TekDroidRight.
06:02.23AngrybirdsOf COURSE there's something called Freedom Tower in America. OF COURSE.
06:02.28TybusenFreedom Tower reaches 1776 feet
06:02.30TekDroidAngrybirds: under construction, but still tallest in North America
06:02.36TybusenI'm not joking about the 1776 number
06:02.52TekDroidAngrybirds: It's where the WTC was too, IIRC.
06:03.03AngrybirdsTybusen: wtf.
06:03.04TekDroidOr at least part of the new one.
06:03.05TybusenThe Freedom Tower structure is already completed, so it can be called the tallest structure in America
06:03.09Tybusen*North America
06:03.26TybusenI think Freedom Tower was built where WTC 1 used to be
06:03.32TekDroid'MURICA!
06:03.38Vincent20100_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast
06:03.44Vincent20100_This one is 600 m.
06:03.57Tybusennvm, Freedom Tower is built on the old WTC 6 site
06:04.07Vincent20100_It isn't built yet
06:04.09TekDroidAnd Khalifa is over 800m.
06:04.10Tybusen600 m is still shorter than 800 m, Vincent
06:04.19Vincent20100Yah, but that isn't the tallest
06:04.45TybusenWhy do I have to keep repeating myself on this
06:04.57TybusenThe Burj Khalifa is literally the tallest structure built by man
06:04.58TybusenEnd of story
06:05.01TekDroid^^^^^^
06:06.01Vincent20100OKay, true
06:06.32Vincent20100But for a freaking long time, Tv towers were higher than man habited stuff
06:07.12TybusenExamples plz
06:07.21Vincent20100And with the globalization and China arising, it isn't going to hold it's title for very long
06:08.11Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast
06:08.20Vincent20100Former highest structures
06:08.21TekDroidBuilding tall structures isn't just a matter of deciding to build the.
06:08.32TekDroid>600m
06:08.42TekDroidStill far below 800m.
06:08.44Vincent20100Building high tv/radio towers allow for larger distribution
06:09.09Vincent20100It was built in 1970
06:09.37TekDroidHow did we even get on this pointless tall structures argument anyway.
06:09.52TybusenThe fact that it collapsed though I think should be an example that extremely tall communication towers that aren't integrated into some sort of skyscraper are extremely vulnerable
06:09.54Vincent20100To show how Space elevator aren't realistic
06:10.05Vincent20100It collapsed because it was old
06:10.13Vincent20100It still old for 20-30 years
06:10.20Vincent20100That's longer than most cars
06:10.28TekDroidThat's not a realistic comparison.
06:10.31TybusenAnd also because communication spires are brittle as shit
06:10.59Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast
06:11.03Vincent20100This one is even older
06:11.06TybusenIt's not fair to compare a car to a tower because a tower isn't constantly experiencing rolling friction from continued use
06:11.07Vincent20100and still arise
06:11.21TekDroidMost of a space elevator would be exposed to minimal atmosphere are thus minimal wear.
06:11.41TybusenThat KVLY mast isn't free-standing
06:11.42Vincent20100Tek, space elevator would exposed to even more atmosphere
06:11.46Vincent20100No
06:11.51Vincent20100It's tied, of course
06:11.59Vincent20100The Warsaw one too
06:12.52Vincent20100The ropes maintaining it act like the architectural support of the Burj Kalifat
06:12.58TekDroidI don’t even know what we're arguing here
06:12.58Vincent20100It's jsut that you see them naked
06:13.13Vincent20100It's not arguing, it'S scientific discussion
06:13.35AngrybirdsSpace elevators have been deemed feasible and even cost effective if the anchor is made out of carbon nanotubes.
06:13.36TybusenNo, it's really become more of a dick comparison contest except with radio masts
06:13.44TekDroidAnd regardless those are still less than 800m.
06:14.07Vincent20100Tek, it wont be long before you see a chinse or indian one arising
06:14.17TekDroidNot necessarily
06:14.32Vincent20100The higher they are, the longer the signal goes
06:14.36TybusenChina's tallest tops out #3 and it's still under construction
06:15.03Vincent20100Building a tv tower isn't that same as building a skyscrapper, it's not the same purpose and cost
06:15.20TekDroid^^^^^^
06:15.35Vincent20100We are in a world of Always Bigger anbd Always Taller
06:15.53TekDroidNo, wait...
06:16.02Vincent20100igger highways, bigger cities, bigger buildings, it comes with bigger tv towers
06:16.06TybusenExcept there's an upwards limit of how tall a certain structure can be before it needs serious structural reinforcement
06:16.12TekDroid^^^^^^^^
06:16.32Vincent20100Ho because you think the Bujk Kalifat wasn't an architectural nightmare?
06:16.39TekDroidIt was.
06:16.43TybusenNot to mention I'd imagine TV towers are only really being built en masse in developing areas rather than urban areas where they would probably be tallest
06:16.54Vincent20100The reinfrocments on it are stronk
06:17.15TybusenSociety is moving towards the Internet as its main communication mode, and Internet pretty much promotes the exact opposite of broadcast
06:17.20Vincent20100China and India are both In Development COuntries
06:17.32TekDroidRealistical once TV towers get tall enough you'd just be building more towers.
06:17.56TekDroid*be better of building
06:18.06Vincent20100No, it could cost-efective in more remote region to make them taller to get radio everywhere
06:18.16Vincent20100It depend of the situation
06:18.29TybusenYou could build a structure to the stratosphere, you would just need so much structural support for it that it becomes economically unfeasible
06:19.06TybusenI think you're also forgetting that TV is not all broadcast
06:19.09TybusenA lot of it is cable
06:19.10Vincent20100Honestly, I'm not sure this Arrabian tower is economically profitable either, maybe on the short term, but later...
06:19.14Vincent20100BUt radio is
06:19.21TybusenRadio and TV are different
06:19.23Vincent20100ANd radio is everywhere
06:19.33Vincent20100The Warsaw Tower was for Radio
06:19.52TybusenI don't know what point you're trying to make
06:19.56TekDroidMost TV in the developed doesn't need towers.
06:20.18Vincent20100Trying to show that soon enough, another structure will be made, higher than this arabian one
06:20.23TekDroid*developed
06:20.35TekDroidNot necessarily.
06:20.44Vincent20100Well, the KTV one was in North Dakota, USA
06:20.49TybusenAnd with radio you really only need to put it on an elevated geographic formation and it will achieve the same effect as a super-tall radio structure, at a fraction of the cost
06:20.53TekDroidYes, DECADES AGO.
06:21.45TybusenNew radio towers are going to become a dying breed and whichever places still need radio are likely not to spend the money for a supertall radio tower to cover their entire region in one go
06:21.46Vincent20100ANd still, radio still needs tower, and chinses won't take long to build a higher one just to satisfy their inferiority syndrom
06:21.59Tybusen>inferiority syndrome
06:22.06Vincent20100THey built a freaking budha statue just to have the biggest statue in the world -_-
06:22.33TekDroidThat's not even close to being the sane or relevant.
06:22.57TybusenFirst of all, spell Chinese correctly or I'm going to start getting irritated
06:23.10Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_by_height
06:23.43TybusenAnd while the inferiority syndrome may be one of their motivations, it still boils down to economic viability
06:23.45Vincent20100It's just to show that the Chineses aren't building stuff because it's necessary, but jsut to say "Haha! We have it bigger!"
06:23.47TekDroidYou don't need TV towers in the west because they're effectively obsolete, and you don't need exponentially more expensive towers when there's cheaper ones we've already explained
06:24.11TybusenChina is not going to build a tower taller than the Burj simply to wave a bigger dick at Dubai
06:24.13Vincent20100<By the way, the MOtherLand Statue is bigger than the Liberty Statue because they didn't counted it's pedestal
06:24.36TybusenChina will build such a tower if it has economic purpose for them
06:25.04Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Temple_Buddha They built that shitty statue just to have the biggest statue in the world
06:25.15TekDroidThis isn't even a matter of genital measuring, this is a matter of exponentially rising costs coupled with the laws of physics
06:25.24TekDroid[Citation needed]
06:25.27TybusenExcuse you Vincent but first off that isn't a shitty statue at all
06:25.35Vincent20100What do you think they will do to have the highest structures in the world?
06:25.47TekDroidThey don't need to.
06:25.53TybusenSecond of all, statues are pretty much irrelevant to this conversation since they're artistic structures and not functional
06:25.55Vincent20100It's ugly -_- THey built it strictly to have the biggest in the world
06:26.06TybusenBy default the entire comparison of statues is a dick-waving contest
06:26.07Vincent20100IT's just to have the bigger one
06:26.09TekDroidThere isn't some worldwide arms race to build a taller building.
06:26.14Vincent20100YEs
06:26.23Vincent20100That's the whole story of skyscrapper
06:26.27TybusenBut you can't compare statues to skyscrapers
06:26.28Vincent20100Higher, higher, always higher
06:26.33TekDroid===ISN'T===
06:26.51TekDroidI said there ISN'T a worldwide  race.
06:26.54TybusenStatues, being artistic structures, aren't built with economic viability in mind and can be whatever the hell they want
06:27.15TybusenSkyscrapers on the other hand have to be built with their economic viability in mind
06:27.17Vincent20100By Tek, there is, that's the whole point of building higher and Higher buildings, even North Korea is doing that
06:27.22TekDroid...
06:27.28TybusenNorth Korea is not a valid subject
06:27.30OfficerJackalWtf.
06:27.31OfficerJackalNo.
06:27.31Tybusenfor comparison
06:27.34TekDroidScrew it.
06:27.42OfficerJackalYou build higher buildings because you need a fucking higher buildi9ng.
06:27.46OfficerJackalbuilding*
06:27.52Vincent20100One of the biggest hotel in the world is in North Korea
06:28.05TybusenI'm also somewhat insulted that you're so dismissive of that Buddha statue since by calling it ugly you're insulted the entire Buddhist community
06:28.05Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel
06:28.27Vincent20100The satue that was in Afghanistan was cool, because it had history.
06:28.32TybusenNorth Korea is irrelevant to this conversation because everything they do is to have a bigger dick
06:28.37Vincent20100This one was built solely for this purpose
06:28.43TybusenHow are you so sure of that
06:29.05Vincent20100Read the article
06:29.11TybusenAre you willing to call the image of Buddha that many, many people respect just a front for China's dick-waving
06:29.17Vincent20100There is plenty of cool Budha arts in the world, but not that one
06:29.23TybusenExcuse you
06:29.56TybusenHow do you know if the Afghani statue wasn't built for the same reasons
06:30.12TekDroidI've spent the day cramming in two engineering labs and a Physics lab and I have a physics test in 7 hours. It's 1:30am and I've lost all tolerance for baseless, incorrect statements and ignorance of science. I give up.
06:30.15Vincent20100Because it was built in a era before globalisation.
06:30.34Vincent20100It was built to be a sacred place and for pilgrims
06:30.47TybusenAlso, if you would read the article on the Buddha statue
06:30.58TybusenIt houses a Buddhist temple that's been around there since the Tang dynasty
06:31.04TybusenI'd say that's historically significant enough
06:31.20Vincent20100And they disfigured it with that
06:31.27Vincent20100They should have let it like it was
06:31.39TybusenWhy do you think that
06:31.59TybusenIs it wrong of them to build a statue to honor what's literally their central religious figure
06:32.04TekDroid^^
06:32.19TybusenWhat would you say about the Cristo Redentor in Rio de Janeiro then
06:32.21TybusenTell me
06:32.25OfficerJackalNo, they built the statue the way it was to show their faith and committment to the Buddhist religion, along with their love for it. That statue, that statue means alot to millions of people, and I can tell you right now they didn't just make it for dick-waving.
06:32.27TybusenWhat's your take on the Cristo Redentor
06:32.30Vincent20100And how can you say there isn't a skyscrapper race in the world? COme one,
06:32.41TekDroidThere isn't.
06:32.48TybusenThe statue "race" and skyscraper "race" are not the same at all
06:33.02TybusenAlso, I'm going to ask you again
06:33.06Vincent20100Tek, that's jsut stupid to say that
06:33.07TybusenThe Cristo Redentor
06:33.09TekDroidIf there was the new WTC would smash the Khalifa, for one.
06:33.29Vincent20100Honestly, I'm not sure about the Cristo Rendemptor either
06:33.34TekDroidEurope would be building several hundred meter buildings everywhere
06:33.41TybusenIs the Cristo Redentor an honest honoring of Jesus or is it a dick-waving attempt by Brazil
06:33.41Vincent20100Europe and USA are broke
06:33.42TybusenTell me
06:33.46TekDroid...
06:33.49OfficerJackalLOL.
06:33.51TekDroid.......
06:34.08TybusenVincent20100: Answer my goddamn question
06:34.17Vincent20100Construction of new skyscrapper in US and Europe has declined since the 1900'
06:34.21Vincent20100Minute!
06:34.42TekDroid...
06:34.53OfficerJackalBECAUSE WE DON'T NEED SHITONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AT THE MOMENT. If we really wanted to, there would be fucking WTC heigh skyscrapers everywhere, but we don't! Why? BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT.
06:34.58TekDroid^^^^^^^^^^^^
06:35.03TekDroid^^^^^^^^^^
06:35.06TekDroid^^^^^^^^^^^^
06:35.17Vincent20100Yah, but IF we were building new, they would try to make them HIGHER!
06:35.22Vincent20100^^^^^^
06:35.26TekDroid*facepalm*
06:35.35TybusenFirst of all, you cannot "^" your own comment
06:35.41Vincent20100China anbd Ariba are doing so and do just try to
06:35.43TybusenSecond, I'm still waiting
06:35.45TekDroidEXCEPT WE'RE NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO
06:36.02Vincent20100Tybusen, I have made clear I would answer your thing after the skyscrapper race. Cool down
06:36.04TybusenThird, even if it is partially dick-measuring it's still primarily economic viability
06:36.05TekDroid<PROTECTED>
06:36.18TybusenVincent20100: I'm asking you to answer it now
06:36.26OfficerJackalSKYSCRAPERS ARE MADE TO SPECIFICATION FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES, THEY DON'T JUST PULL THE HEIGHT OUT OF THEIR ASS. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE A SKYSCRAPER THAT IS FUCKING MASSIVE, BUT THEY END UP NOT USING ALL THAT SPACE? THE KHALIFA? IT'S THAT HIGH BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE THAT HIGH, IT HAS A FUCKING MASSIVE BUSINESS CENTER/APARTMENTS/MALL IN IT.
06:36.28Vincent20100ANd I'm telling you to wait
06:36.28TybusenYou're not going to dodge this question
06:36.50Vincent20100Because you think they neded that tower in Arabia?!?!?!
06:36.52Vincent20100NO
06:36.57Vincent20100Absuolutly not
06:36.59OfficerJackalOr whatever the hell that big building is...
06:37.03TybusenYou have insulted me personally by insulting Chinese culture and I'm asking you to answer my goddamn question
06:37.42TybusenVincent20100: Answer.
06:37.42Vincent20100Well Tybu, you have wrongly interpret me. I didn't insulted Buddhism, I insulted THIS very statue only
06:37.47TekDroidEven when Canada built the CN tower it wasn't for measuring, it serves as a major broadcast tower for one.
06:37.47Vincent20100WAIT
06:38.05Vincent20100Tek, I live in Canada, and CN tower is useless
06:38.14TekDroidNo it's not.
06:38.17Vincent20100YEs
06:38.22Vincent20100I visited it several time
06:38.34Vincent20100They almost broacast nothing from here now
06:38.35TekDroidPractically every major radio station in Toronto broadcasts from there
06:38.38TybusenI take offense to the fact that you're so willing to dismiss an artistic monument to a culture just to prove your incredibly flimsy point
06:39.06Vincent20100Well, you have to take things les personnally and with a pitch of salt
06:39.09TybusenIf you actually did some research on that tower you would know it does have cultural significance and isn't simply a bigger dick
06:39.25Vincent20100The Arabian tower?
06:39.31Tybusen*statue
06:39.33TekDroidAnd source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CN_Tower#Use
06:39.42TybusenYou are taking a handful of salt and rubbing it in the wound, Vince
06:40.03Vincent20100Tybu, let'S both take it then
06:40.26TybusenI don't understand what you're getting at
06:40.28OfficerJackalBurj Khalifa? Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Anyways, CN Tower is massive because it needs to broadcast to a very large metropolitan area with a high strength signal, and run numerous frequencies.
06:40.36Vincent20100Tek, the other buildings surronding the CN tower makes it hard to broadcast signals from here now because the other towers are too high
06:40.46Vincent20100It'S no longer very efficient
06:40.54Vincent20100Except for the immediate surronding
06:41.07TybusenDo you even know how FM radio works
06:41.09TekDroidYet for decades after it was built it served that purpose perfectly
06:41.17Vincent20100Toronto downtown  was pretty flat when the CN was built, now it's much more high
06:41.26Vincent20100And now it's pretty much useless
06:41.27TekDroidAlso that's a lie because it's still much taller than the rest of the city.
06:41.48OfficerJackalCN Tower is doing fine, I don't know what you are talking about. Also yeah, CN Tower is taller then the rest of the city.
06:41.49OfficerJackalSeriously.
06:41.52Vincent20100The Gouvernment is spending tons and tons of money to maintain it and it would seriously need repairs
06:41.55OfficerJackalThe hell are you talking about?
06:41.57TekDroidProof: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Xg8nsDvNWZ2gaHaubAz9nUmxnWUPd-XyANaytoNsAaTvuuLC0uLVB1Bf1GwOPO0gH1mperTaP1nT8JIfn4Lxe9uHwfVsT31BydIabG7gN-qPd9sQoPCDVIANX3ZXrPq5woOiTb4PuQkvsKGSHssRaBIz7F_vFcRcjQOX1KwsGW58gOQymw=w652-h401-nc
06:42.10Vincent20100Officer, yes, but it isn'Mt high enough anymore
06:42.27TekDroidExcept it is and still ahas extensive use.
06:42.30OfficerJackalIt obviously is. :/ It's antenna is far above all the other buildings.
06:42.32Vincent20100Tek Look at the right of the picture
06:42.35TekDroidAs shown in my link
06:42.41TybusenThat is a hell of a lot taller than the rest of the city and those other buildings will not interfere at all
06:42.43Vincent20100Only the first row of building would get the signal
06:42.49TekDroid...
06:42.51Tybusen...
06:42.57Tybusen...Do you even know how waves work
06:42.59TekDroid...you have no idea how radio works.
06:43.05Vincent20100THe other behind don't really, they have their own antenanas on top
06:43.18Vincent20100Have you visited the tower?
06:43.26Vincent20100They clearly say it
06:43.34TekDroidI lived in the GTA for 18 years.
06:43.34Vincent20100It's not even hidden
06:43.50OfficerJackalWell, with that logic, when you are between the buildings in Manhatten you shouldn't get a signal because all the tall buildings molest it.
06:43.54TybusenI trust a Toronto native more on CN Tower than a Quebecois
06:43.59TekDroidTHE ATNENNAS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOWER, NOT THE OBSERVATION DECK.
06:44.18Vincent20100Tek, are you in Toronto?
06:44.21OfficerJackalIt just doesn't make sense Vincent, you aren't making any sense.
06:44.34TekDroidI am from the GTA, born and raised there
06:44.49TekDroidExcept  for university in Ottawa
06:44.54Vincent20100Just go visit the building, the couple of guides are clearly saying it.
06:45.03TekDroid...
06:45.09TybusenAs a California native I wouldn't question a New York native's knowledge of their own city
06:45.11TekDroid[Citation needed]
06:45.30Vincent20100Well sorry I can't cite a guide
06:45.34OfficerJackal*Is employed at CN Tower/General Area as guide* > *Bad mouths CN Tower/General Area*
06:45.34TybusenMuch as you, Vince, a Quebec native, should give some more thought to the fact that Tek knows Toronto in and out
06:45.34OfficerJackalGG.
06:45.37Vincent20100Sorry, you have it on that point
06:46.01Vincent20100Officer, it's not bad mouthing, it's being informed on the subject you are talking
06:46.15TekDroidGive me a source that says it's useless. Anything.
06:46.25TekDroidYou have the entirely bloody internet
06:46.43Vincent20100And let's get back to your freaking arabian tower, tellme how in hell it wasn't a poroof of race for skyscrapper?
06:46.58TekDroidBecause nothing else is competing.
06:46.59Vincent20100*proof
06:47.16TybusenThat doesn't excuse you from answering his question Vince, in case that's what you were going for
06:47.18TekDroidAnd the previous holder held it for decades.
06:47.22OfficerJackalBecause, it needed to be that tall to house everything it needed to do, which is serve as a residential/business tower all in one.
06:47.26Vincent20100Just like the CN tower was built for the same purpose, to built higher and higher
06:47.32TekDroid...
06:47.36TybusenAlso, Vince, I'm still waiting for your opinion of the Cristo Redentor
06:47.39TekDroidWe just discussed this.
06:47.45OfficerJackalVincent, no.
06:47.47OfficerJackalCN Tower.
06:47.48OfficerJackalWas made.
06:47.56Vincent20100Tek, if it was really for radio, a simple radio tower would have worked
06:48.02TekDroid...
06:48.04OfficerJackalTo broadcast FM signals across the entire or majority Toronto Metropolitan Area.
06:48.09OfficerJackalNot to be dick-waving.
06:48.12TekDroidIT WAS THE BLOODY RADIO TOWER
06:48.35Vincent20100They could have been a normal radio tower, which would have been way more cheap
06:48.53TekDroid...
06:48.59Vincent20100And that still doesn't answer about the Burj either
06:49.02OfficerJackalVincent20100: Vincent, please listen to me. You need a tall tower to cover the distances it needs to cover, which is the Toronto metropolitan area.
06:49.20TybusenI think the CN Tower also doubles as office space, right?
06:49.32Vincent20100There is way more cheap radio towers to build
06:49.34TekDroidNot really, iirc.
06:49.43OfficerJackalOk.
06:49.43Vincent20100http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast
06:49.44OfficerJackalSo.
06:49.45OfficerJackalVincent.
06:50.01Vincent20100See?
06:50.05Vincent20100It's not even offices
06:50.32TybusenStill, CN Tower is far more structurally sound of a tower than the Warsaw mast could ever hope to be
06:50.45OfficerJackalWhat you are saying, is instead of that one big tower, Toronto should have just asspulled fifty small ones across the whole area?
06:50.54Vincent20100Still, it would have been the economical logic choice
06:51.24Vincent20100It was just a way to say "Yay! We have high towers!"
06:51.24TybusenA simple radio tower made of mesh iron bars will snap like a twig against a strong wind
06:51.30TekDroidWarsaw held for a couple decades. CN Tower is still strong after 50 years.
06:51.47OfficerJackalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast#mediaviewer/File:Foto_308_web.jpg - "On 8 August 1991 at 4pm UTC the mast collapsed"
06:51.53TybusenA skyscraper-esque radio tower has infinitely more structure and can withstand weather
06:51.55Vincent20100No, they are reinforeced. Several radio tower like these are surving (the vast majority)
06:52.11TekDroidAfter 50 years the CN Tower can still broadcast across the GTA.
06:52.18Vincent20100Jackal, this one crashed, but the majority doesn't
06:52.27TybusenYou're still not understanding that mesh iron bars are much weaker than stone and iron scaffolding
06:52.35Vincent20100And we can sink tax money to maintain it for almost nothing yay
06:52.56Vincent20100But it's not the economical choice when Mech iron does the job perfectly
06:53.19Vincent20100ANd that still doesn't answer about the Burj tower
06:53.19OfficerJackalThe majority didn't because they aren't nearly as tall and are in less demanding climates. You have to understand, that mesh iron bars at that height and with snow just WILL NOT cut it, at that point you might as well make a small skyscraper for the task.
06:53.31OfficerJackalWill last alot longer.
06:53.37TekDroidAnd it has
06:53.38TybusenNo, the tower was the economic choice because they wanted a structure that would be able to service the city for a long time without it snapping in literally any strong storm
06:53.47Vincent20100Jackal that is false
06:54.01Vincent20100The CN tower is 550 meters
06:54.06TybusenMesh iron bars are hilariously weak against a combination of cold and wind
06:54.09Vincent20100and radio tower can go above 600m
06:54.13TybusenGuess where CN Tower is
06:54.15TybusenCanada
06:54.20TybusenAnd guess what Canada is
06:54.22TybusenCold and windy
06:54.25Vincent20100There are radio towers in canada and they resist too
06:54.31OfficerJackalThey aren't nearly as tall.
06:54.33Vincent20100They still resist the cold and wind
06:54.40TybusenToronto is especially windy because it's next to the Great Lakes
06:54.45TekDroidToronto, a city that once needed to call in the army to clear the snow.
06:54.51Vincent20100Jackal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVLY-TV_mast
06:55.02TybusenIt absolutely needs a sturdy mast instead of some flimsy iron bar shit
06:55.09Vincent20100In Quebec too we called the Army to clear the snow
06:55.15TekDroidIce and wind, a building wreck extrodinare.
06:55.22Vincent20100Still
06:55.47Vincent20100Jackal, Tv/radio tower can far exceed the CN
06:55.58TekDroidOf course, don't trust the engineering student from Toronto on the city of Toronto.
06:56.21TekDroidJust because they can doesn't mean they need to.
06:56.37Vincent20100Still, explain to me how that Burj thing wasn't a rsky race and I will explain the buddha thing
06:56.44TekDroidThe CN tower didn't need to be that high in the 60s.
06:57.22TekDroidBECAUSE IF IT WAS A RACE THE CN TOWER WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE TALLEST BUILDING FOR FREAKING DECADES
06:57.59OfficerJackalThat mast tower is a guyed mast, which means it isn't self supporting and relies on lines to keep it up, which stands alot better in cold and wind then just a free standing one. Of course, it also takes up a rather large area due to... Well, ropes, and thus is only practical in desolate areas with no buildings in the way.
06:58.03Vincent20100Or about the Petronas
06:58.31Vincent20100The rope explanation is actually probably the best one so far Jackal
06:59.13Vincent20100Or the EMpire State/Chrysler BUilings
06:59.34*** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@ru3.housing.carleton.ca)
06:59.35Vincent20100It's just companies/countries wanting to have the biggest.
07:00.06TybusenI fail to see your point
07:00.16TekDroidWe've already listed multiple reasons why Toronto needed a big tower, and why a tower was better than an antenna
07:00.40OfficerJackalNo, they were made like that to fit specifications... If nobody needed tall buildings, none would be made and instead we would have massive two/one story buildings that span miles.
07:01.31OfficerJackalAs it stands, both the Chrysler Tower and the Empire State buildings are heavily used today still, and in a city like NYC, where you can't go sideways... Well, you need to go up.
07:01.56Vincent20100Jackal, when the EMpire Sate building was completed, it reamined empty for a decade
07:02.03TekDroid...
07:02.08Vincent20100Same for the Chryslaer
07:02.42TekDroidWell there's the fact the Empire was built during the great depression, which was followed by WWII. Also, source?
07:02.56TekDroid*Empure State Building
07:03.15OfficerJackalUnfortunate timing with the Great Depression and WWII were the reasons why they were vacant, also slightly dum location choice.
07:03.23Vincent20100http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building#Des_premi.C3.A8res_ann.C3.A9es_difficiles
07:03.29Vincent20100It's in french unfortunatly
07:03.36TekDroid...
07:03.42AngrybirdsOh goodness, you guys are -still- arguing about this?
07:03.47TekDroidUnfortunately
07:03.55Vincent20100Use Reverso
07:04.00Vincent20100It's a good translator
07:04.00AngrybirdsGive it a rest, go to bed!
07:04.14Vincent20100http://www.reverso.net/text_translation.aspx?lang=FR
07:04.15TekDroidI've already lost an hour of sleep I could have used for my Physics test.
07:04.48OfficerJackalMy grandparents leave early tomorrow morning, at this point I will not be able to get up in time to meet with them before they go if I were to go to sleep.
07:04.50Vincent20100ANd still, they built the building Druing the depression
07:04.56Vincent20100Not before
07:05.04Vincent201001929-1931
07:05.34Vincent20100*during
07:05.35TybusenVince, I'm still waiting on that Cristo Redentor question
07:05.39Vincent20100Yes
07:05.54TekDroidYes, finished 1931. Early in the depression, with 8 years of it left followed by 6 years of war.
07:06.32Vincent20100THe depression started in 1929, they should have stopped while it was still at the beginning
07:06.40TekDroid...
07:06.42OfficerJackalWhat.
07:07.04Vincent20100http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krach_de_1929
07:07.20OfficerJackalWhy would you just stop a construction project like that, and leave it like that for 8 fucking years? Because that's how long it took.
07:07.22Vincent20100It's in french, but just change it in english
07:07.31OfficerJackalReminds me of a certain hotel in North Korea...
07:07.43Vincent20100Because when everybody is eating the pets, you have to stop a million dollars buildings...
07:07.46Vincent20100Yes!
07:07.53Tybusen>eating the pets
07:07.55Vincent20100We talked about this hotel earlier Jackal
07:07.59TybusenWhat are you implying about Koreans
07:08.02Vincent20100No
07:08.10Vincent20100During the Depression, people eated their pets
07:08.18Vincent20100Sad, but true
07:09.02Vincent20100Tybu, he is talking about that North Korean Hotel I talked about earlier
07:09.16Vincent20100http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B4tel_Ryugyong
07:09.31TybusenSo, are you implying something about Koreans?
07:09.53Vincent20100Not really, except that the North Koreans are crazy
07:09.59Vincent20100Wanna argue that? :)
07:10.04TybusenNorth Korean government.
07:10.09AngrybirdsErm. Guys.
07:10.10AngrybirdsPlease.
07:10.15Vincent20100Building the biggest (or one of them) in North Korea
07:10.19AngrybirdsThis is getting a bit ridiculous.
07:10.26AngrybirdsAnd by a bit, I mean a lot.
07:10.27Vincent20100Come on, we can agree that is totally stupid
07:10.32AngrybirdsMaybe we want to stop?
07:10.43Vincent20100Just one last thing, Tybu insisted for it
07:10.48TybusenWhen Vince answers my question
07:10.48Vincent20100About the Cristo
07:11.01OfficerJackalI can't go to sleep now, I won't wake up in time to see my grandparents leave now.
07:11.15AngrybirdsIf we allow ourselves to put in last words, we'll be here for another hour. xD
07:12.01Vincent20100Honestly, I'm not "comfortable" with the Cristo either
07:13.12Vincent20100I would rather have churches than a giant religious figure a top a mountain.
07:13.18TekDroidI'm already going to be exhausted for my physics test.
07:13.43Vincent20100But really, the Cristo isn't as bad as this Buddha statue. At least for the Cristo, they didn't scrapped a ancestral temple
07:13.57OfficerJackalTekDroid: Forget this conversation and the IRC then, go to sleep for your physics test.
07:14.04Vincent20100But seriously, this buddha statue... Come on...
07:14.05OfficerJackalThat's way more important then tsi.
07:14.08OfficerJackalThis*
07:14.14TybusenYeah, Tek, go get some sleep
07:14.18Vincent20100For those not knowing what statue it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Temple_Buddha
07:14.49Vincent20100They built is an put it on an ancestral temple, damaging a historical monument
07:14.54Vincent20100*it
07:15.05Vincent20100ANd that is not forgivable
07:15.26TekDroidDamaging what? A Buddhist temple with a statue of a buddhist god?
07:15.40Vincent20100It's not against Buddhism, Buddha or even the Statues of Buddha, it's against THIS statue
07:15.44Vincent20100Yah
07:15.49Vincent20100It was a very old temple
07:15.53TekDroid...
07:15.59Vincent20100and in 1997, they just dumped a giant statue on it
07:16.31Vincent20100It's like if I would put a statue of the Christ on top of...
07:16.35Vincent20100The Arc of Triumph...
07:16.37TekDroidI give up, this is pointless and you're not listening to a single word.
07:16.51TybusenIf the Cristo Redentor was built on a cathedral would that be any different to you?
07:16.59Vincent20100Maybe
07:17.03Vincent20100It depends
07:17.22Vincent20100If they built it on top of the St-Pierre Basillica, yes
07:17.47AngrybirdsOr the Invalides.
07:17.53Vincent20100*St. Peter's Basilica
07:17.54Vincent20100Yah
07:17.57Vincent20100See!
07:18.13Vincent20100It's not even the statue itself the problem
07:18.24Vincent20100It's that they scrapped a historical monumet for it
07:18.37Vincent20100*monument
07:18.38TybusenDid they really scrap historical monument for it
07:19.38TybusenAs far as that article says the historical temple wasn't built upon, and the monastery was housed inside the base of the statue after it was built
07:19.58Vincent20100I like I just said, it's not even the statue itself.
07:20.07TybusenThen what is it
07:20.26Vincent20100Just a sec, translating this to make sure
07:21.15Vincent20100What do you mean?
07:21.37TybusenIf it's not the statue itself then what the hell are you complaining about
07:22.02Vincent20100No not that that: [02:19] <Tybusen> As far as that article says the historical temple wasn't built upon, and the monastery was housed inside the base of the statue after it was built
07:22.05Vincent20100What did you meant?
07:22.52TybusenThe "historical temple" that you say was desecrated wasn't actually desecrated
07:23.05TybusenIn fact I think you can see it perfectly intact off to the side
07:23.29TybusenAnd the monastery in the base of the statue was not a historical monastery
07:23.50Vincent20100They still altered the site
07:24.29Vincent20100would you put a giant statue in front of the St-Peter Basilica or the Invalides?
07:24.30AngrybirdsNew York is a historical site, yet it's constantly being altered and lived on.
07:24.33AngrybirdsSo is the Earth.
07:24.48Vincent20100would you put a giant statue in front of the St-Peter Basilica or the Invalides?
07:25.12AngrybirdsAcross the street, sure.
07:25.12TybusenI would approve of a statue in front of the St. Peter's Basilica if it was respectful
07:25.17Vincent20100I by that I mean, building it now
07:25.32TybusenLike, not on top of the doorway but in the courtyard totally
07:26.11Vincent20100Well, I'm not fine with that personally. I think historical sites like these should be preserved.
07:27.09TybusenEven if you're building it off to the side where it's not actually being built on the original structure itself
07:27.31Vincent20100It would have to be a minimal distance from the site
07:27.41Vincent20100NOt like 10 km
07:27.57TybusenWell of course, that's what I'm saying, you don't build it on top of it but you can build next to it
07:29.31TybusenSo I'm not understanding why you chose the Spring Temple Buddha to pick on simply to prove your "dick waving contest" argument
07:29.58Vincent20100For those woundering about the biggest statues in the world: http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/c4/c6/1a/c4c61afef1b68c6601b30de032ac2348.jpg
07:30.19Vincent20100This one doesn't calculate the pedestals
07:30.46TybusenI'm still not seeing your point
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07:32.41Vincent20100_Because the statue was intended to measure 153 meters
07:32.47TybusenScrew it
07:32.50TybusenI'm too tired for this
07:32.52Vincent20100_But then they saaid "Nope! bigger plz"
07:33.05Vincent20100_They added an unplanned pedestal of 25 m
07:33.12TybusenWhy is there a problem with this
07:33.16Vincent20100_Although that could be debated
07:33.32Vincent20100_They changed the planes, just to make it bigger
07:34.03TybusenHow are you so sure that they were motivated by making it bigger for the sake of it
07:34.13Vincent20100_NOt sure
07:34.21Vincent20100_That's why it can be debated
07:34.38Vincent20100_The french version isn't exactly the same as the english one
07:35.17TybusenEnglish article doesn't question the motivations of building the structure
07:35.20Vincent20100_On the french versionm it highky suggest this way
07:35.28Vincent20100_*highly
07:35.48Vincent20100_LEt me translate it (I still hope my translations are better than the internet).
07:37.55Vincent20100_When the monument was first measured, the total hieght was of 153m, with the 25m pedestal not yet built.
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07:41.09Vincent20100That's suggesting they built the pedestal to raise it even higher
07:41.46Tybusen...no...?
07:42.00TybusenThere's no suggestion of that in the way you phrased it
07:42.11Vincent20100It means, they first built the statue, then measured it
07:42.55TybusenThey could have built the statue first and planned to build its pedestal afterwards
07:43.09Vincent20100You can't build a statue of this size and then install it on a pedestal, that'S impossible.
07:43.32Vincent20100http://www.giganticstatues.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Spring-Temple.jpg
07:43.37Vincent20100Look at the size of the cranes
07:43.43Vincent20100Thhese are heavy lifters
07:44.04Vincent20100You were talking about the fragility of metal shafts earlifer...
07:45.48TybusenThat's scaffolding though.
07:46.02TybusenObviously the pedestal would be designed to hold a statue that size no matter what
07:47.10Vincent20100Yah, but I don't it's possible to raize such a massive piece with cranes, or anythinf really
07:47.25Vincent20100It has to be built ON the pedestal
07:47.40Vincent20100But there again, Tek would be more appropriate to tell so
07:48.39TybusenIt's perfectly possible to raise that statue with cranes
07:48.54TybusenBesides, you only know how tall it is, not how heavy it is
07:49.58Vincent20100I know how it weight
07:50.01Vincent201001.000 tons
07:50.12Vincent20100<PROTECTED>
07:50.27Vincent20100The wieght of the statue was estimated to well over a 1.000 tons
07:50.51Tybusen1 ton is nothing to a crane
07:51.03TybusenThat's essentially the weight of a 16-wheeler truck
07:51.13Vincent20100ANd just look at the pict I send, you can see these are cranes,. The counter wieght is visible
07:51.43Vincent20100especially the yellow one on the right
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08:49.46ImpyDroidHello
08:50.13ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink Tybusen: http://i.imgur.com/LDwWx7f.png
08:51.10Liquid_InkHurr
08:51.20TybusenHooray for imperialism
09:00.04ImpyDroidhttp://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/11/the_ku_klux_klan_wants_you_to_join.html?wpisrc=obinsite wait what
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09:11.10ImpyDroid~test
09:11.10infobottest is probably not funny
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10:18.56JepardiHi
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10:40.40ImpyDroid2Liquid_Ink: Was checking Tumblr
10:40.43ImpyDroid2> Stateless people I’ve never heard of fascinate me. You think you have an understanding of all the people running about and all of a sudden Sorbs and Yoruba and Lurs. Truly fascinating.
10:40.54Liquid_InkYes?
10:41.08ImpyDroid2Aren't Yoruba the largest ethnic group of Nigeria?
10:41.21ImpyDroid2I'd say they do have a state
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10:42.44Liquid_InkOh
10:43.54Liquid_InkNo, they're stateless
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10:56.09Wormy_:(
10:56.20Wormy_http://www.broadway.org.uk/events/near_now_professor_steve_benford_crafting_interactions
10:56.28Wormy_I was all prepared to go to that talk
10:56.48Wormy_And the effing printer couldn't connect to the new network
10:57.01Wormy_So i couldn't print my ticket
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11:07.06Wormy_Luckily it was free entry
11:07.16Wormy_So I've not wasted any money
11:07.53Wormy_Fucking technology shitting on my face before I go to a talk about how wonderful it can be
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11:44.40ImpyDroid2http://liquidink21.tumblr.com/image/102504909120 Haven't heard of that hur
11:45.20Liquid_InkApparently they're doing climate research
11:45.54Liquid_InkWhich I found hilarious since Abbott took climate change off the agenda of the G20 summit
11:47.17ImpyDroid2What does Abbot think of Russia BTW?
11:48.38Liquid_InkReally, they're just another form of fear mongering for him.
11:50.25Liquid_InkForeign relations wise, he wants to beat his chest and look strong. The problem is Australia is a very minor power, so Russia is the only country he can actually try to intimidate without everyone laughing at him (since Russia's in the bad books because of Ukraine)
11:50.45Liquid_InkAnd that plane that was shot down.
11:51.24Liquid_InkAbbott wants to chestbeat about that
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12:35.18ImpyDroid2http://media.carbonated.tv/102387_story__ph1.jpg
12:36.16ImpyDroid2Liquid_Ink: Hmmm
12:36.41ImpyDroid2What climate did the Karacay's original homeland have?
12:38.51Liquid_InkHmm.
12:39.06Liquid_InkTropical? It was in the Tropical Lands
12:39.46Liquid_InkRainforest
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16:48.00TekDroidWormy_: Are there any materials capable of withstand accelerations in excess of 1000 G?
16:48.29TekDroidJust curious if you know of any. XD
16:49.39Wormy_Not anything specific to that acceleration, though I'm sure strong nano or pico technology could.
16:50.57Wormy_V8 Formula One engine, maximum piston acceleration - 8,600 g
16:51.11Wormy_So well within the range of modern materials science.
16:52.04Wormy_"Rating of electronics built into military artillery shells" 15,500 g
16:54.33TekDroidInteresting.
16:56.12GhelaeIt's more complex structures, like human bodies, that tend to have problems with high accelerations. The problem is really with how acceleration differs across the structure, and hence the stresses that the structure undergoes.
16:56.13Wormy_I found this:  "Bacteria have been cultivated while rotating in an ultracentrifuge at 403,627 g."
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17:03.06Vincent20100Interesting
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17:22.15drom'Murica. https://38.media.tumblr.com/1f075941c0edcfc3620fae0dff95fdce/tumblr_nfbjfrPhwL1qbl0vgo1_1280.png
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17:24.59GhelaeHello.
17:25.02TekDroidHello
17:27.59drom>no fedora tip
17:28.01dromget out
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17:46.45Vincent20100TekDroid: The cannon was never intended to use for manned mission dah -_-
17:47.46TekDroidI'm just making a point.
17:48.18Vincent20100Yah
17:48.37Vincent20100BUt of course it would be suicidal to launch a man with that thing, that's sure
17:49.05Vincent20100THe really good point you had was the rocket fuel
17:49.49Vincent20100I was planning to add a rocket payload to the projectil to all it to make it's gravitaionnal turn, but yah, centrifuging fuel would probably be bad
17:51.25Vincent20100My question would be, would a railgun be able to generate the velocity needed...
17:52.17Vincent20100I remember NASA made one able to make the projectile reach 150km/s
17:55.10GhelaeI don't know what this idea is supposed to be, but it sounds like a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mass_driver
17:56.14Vincent20100MY bad, it was 150km/minute, derp
18:00.11Vincent20100Yah Ghel
18:01.10Vincent20100The question is, could  a ground 'cannon' of some sort launch a projectile (containing a ssatellite, no man, of course) to space, maybe with the help of some rockets parts for the gravitationnal turn
18:03.02GhelaeYes (like that mass driver, and some other forms of non-rocket spaceflight). It's usually ideal to spread the acceleration across as long a distance as possible, of course, hence the electromagnetic acceleration ideas.
18:03.23Vincent20100Yah
18:03.37Vincent20100But on the other hand, if it's a 100 km long...
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18:04.07GhelaeAlso, I don't see the problem with combining rocket fuel with high accelerations. It will only explode if there's a chemical reaction, and that should only happen if the fuel and oxidiser mix or if the fuel itself is unstable.
18:04.34GhelaeThe former might happen if the acceleration damages the fuel tanks, but the latter would be a horrendous idea in the first place.
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18:15.01Vincent20100I see, thanks GHhel
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18:16.37Tek0516Hello
18:17.23MonetHi
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18:17.40dromHey
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18:27.03ImperiosHi
18:27.08GhelaeHello.
18:27.09dromhai
18:27.31OluapWorkerimpu
18:28.16OluapWorkerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Black_Bone_Horde chek
18:31.57dromI'll get to watch Interstellar this weekend. It's going to be awesome.
18:33.51Wormy_Black hole hysicist Kip Thorne worked on the physics, I hope its a more hard/speculative sci-fi
18:33.53Imperios>while Vargash and Kaicaiusarin are known as "Wiggly Git" and "Spida Weirda
18:33.56Wormy_physicist
18:34.01Imperios>"Wiggly Git"
18:34.55Imperios10/10
18:35.10ImperiosSeriously though they're nice
18:35.23HachimanAye they are
18:35.28Hachimandats y u shud maek mor of dem
18:35.48Imperios>Uglier pudgier elfs's gonna get smashed!
18:35.58ImperiosHumans - http://personaltrainerfood.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/cartman.jpg
18:36.18AdmiralPandaHi all
18:36.23ImperiosHi
18:36.56AdmiralPandaHachiman: mfw one of the random events in Total War: Shogun 2 is called "Hachiman's Blessing"
18:37.07Hachimanhur
18:37.30Tek0516O.o
18:38.08AdmiralPandaIn a pitched battle for the city of Kyoto, an alliance of about 3'000 Shimazu and Chokosabe troops (my side) fought a force of around 5'000 soldiers from four other clans
18:38.22AdmiralPandaIt turns out that having a good 2'000 katanas is really handy
18:38.35AdmiralPandaSilly peasants got nothing on my elite samurai
18:40.23Tek0516Lol
18:40.25Hachiman2000 katanas
18:40.31HachimanLiterally an army of neckbeards
18:41.00Tek0516Since this is Kyoto I'm assuming this is around the Realm Divide trigger?
18:45.37dromhttp://i.imgur.com/yLamcfC.png
18:46.19dromAngrybirds: http://imgur.com/gallery/hL8Os0x
18:46.45Tek0516:P
18:47.10Tek0516I thought that second one was well played. XD
18:47.11AdmiralPandaTek: Naturally.
18:47.46ImperiosHachiman: They will drown their enemies in miniatures
18:48.04AdmiralPandaBasically I owned half of Japan, the Chokosabe had a few provinces and some other random clan I allied with had a few more
18:48.05ImperiosTBH I am not sure while neckbeards are so associated with nerdiness
18:48.31ImperiosChechens often have neckbeards and they are a rather martial people
18:48.33Imperioshttp://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-06/1308279724_56d622a84903b9805add3a0ba632.jpeg  for example
18:50.11MonetImperios: The neckbeard is the common stereotyped image of the typical D&D player
18:50.28ImperiosMonet: My point is, not only nerds have neckbeards
18:50.38Imperioshttp://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-06/1308279724_56d622a84903b9805add3a0ba632.jpeg  As I said, does this guy look like a nerd to you?
18:50.42dromTIL: We have got neckbeards
18:51.13HachimanImperios: That's a proper beard hur
18:51.32MonetTHat guy has a neckbeard for a different reason than the D&D neckbeard would
18:51.51ImperiosWell it sort of extends to the neck
18:52.07Imperios...That being said, is it just me or does this guy look like a dwarf?
18:52.13Hachimanolol
18:52.20OluapWorkerNeckbeards are stereotyped with nerdiness because it fits being a shut-in who doesn't take care of their own hygiene and stays on the internet all day
18:52.24ImperiosChechens live in the mountains
18:52.27ImperiosSo it fits
18:52.48ImperiosWait
18:53.01Monethttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neckbeard
18:53.04ImperiosDoes that mean that Russians have been fighting dwarves for several centuries
18:53.56MonetALso the D&D neckbeard is considered unattractive - being unattractive is a common stereotype of nerds and geeks the world over.
18:54.37ImperiosTrue
18:55.33MonetIn the West, men having clean-cut and minimal facial hair is ocnsidered a sign of good hygene.
18:56.01ImperiosMonet since when are you Captain Obvious
18:56.53MonetI feel like anything I say these days is inappropriate.
18:57.21MonetThis is probably one of those times
18:58.37dromIn the nordic, long hair actually makes you considered as a "student filth".
18:58.40HachimanYou know it's also common in the West for people to think that people who take art courses in college or university failed their academic studies and have nowhere else to go
18:59.27Imperioshttp://memecollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/im-not-fat-im-hot-text.jpg goddamnit that is actually clever
18:59.45ImperiosMay be true
18:59.54ImperiosBut I am actually kinda jealous of you and Mon in that regard
19:00.03ImperiosYou get something creative and interesting
19:00.12MonetHachiman: Yes and I got top marks for a science based course
19:00.41HachimanAs did I for an IT-based one
19:01.30ImperiosMe? Ancient manuscripts, grammatical systems and calculus
19:01.37Wormy_I need IT help :P
19:01.46HachimanImperios: My course isn't exactly an *art* course exclusively, it's an encompassing media course which also involves a lot of publishing
19:01.47ImperiosOkay sometimes linguistics is interesting
19:02.26MonetImperios: I say take up a subject that you are interested in.
19:02.39dromI'm an useless piece of shit who tend to roll down stairs. *walks away with lowered head and proceeds rolling downstairs*
19:02.48ImperiosMonet: I *am* interested in linguistics, it's just that it is subjectively not as creative
19:02.49HachimanOr rather take up something practical
19:02.59HachimanBecause if you don't you're going to end up a basement-dweller
19:03.17ImperiosThat too, the branch of linguistics I study is rather practical
19:03.26HachimanLinguistics and grammatical systems could lead to you being a teacher perhaps
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19:03.33ImperiosAnd language is *always* useful, as proven by the very fact I am talking with you right now
19:03.35Hachimanspu
19:03.41ImperiosHachiman: Not that kind of linguistics
19:03.50ImperiosMine is more concerned with computerisation
19:03.50XhoChrist Jesus finally
19:03.50OluapWorkerspi
19:03.53ImperiosThink Google Translate
19:03.59XhoI've been trying to reconnect to the internet since I last disconnected
19:04.00ImperiosAlso, artificial intelligence
19:04.02HachimanOh right
19:04.05Wormy_Does anybody know how to search for a specific file type?  I need 99 ACS files, but they are in 99 folders and I want to do this one by one (big because its all the terrain data of a huge chunk of Scotland)#.  The search documents function doesn't find ACS when I type it in.  Essentially I need to search to find specific files.
19:04.15OluapWorkerXho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Black_Bone_Horde chek and quoto
19:04.19Wormy_*and I DON'T
19:04.45Wormy_So then I can drag them into a folder I can work with
19:05.02ImperiosAlso codes, encryptions and passwords I think
19:05.06ImperiosIMMA HAK U
19:05.09Xho"impossible to reason with."            Shiarchon - hao bout moar smash                    Khorloron - where do we sign up
19:05.09MonetTurns out CG Animation is very broad because i'm being taught philosophy, architecture, historical contexts, fashion design, set design and anatomy alongside 2d and 3d animation.
19:05.26OluapWorkeryee
19:05.39ImperiosMonet: Well, fashion design and history can help
19:05.54ImperiosPhilosophy, maybe it's the same reason we are taught psychology
19:06.08ImperiosNot directly needed but kinda related
19:06.12dromIndeed. When you get the task to make a surreal movie set in 1700's
19:06.16Wormy_Imperios:  You would really like Godel Escher Bach
19:06.31Wormy_the book
19:06.47ImperiosAlso
19:07.55MonetIts this course that revealed to me that King Kong had a racist message of "what if afro-americans ever got a position of influence?" and that Edward Scissorheands includes the message about the dangers of ocnsumerism.
19:08.10Monetconsumerism*
19:08.35ImperiosMonet: Good now I have the mental image of King Kong with Obama's face
19:09.13Tek0516O.o
19:09.46MonetIt sounds odd but I find the original Kong looks somewhat like Blackface.
19:09.50XhoOluapWorker: Quoted
19:10.19OluapWorkerKebra'Osos - big hed
19:10.32HachimanSo you're comparing a badly-made monkey face to the face of a black man
19:11.02ImperiosDat racist
19:11.14AdmiralPandaHachiman: "monkey" has been a racial slur for a long time
19:11.28ImperiosHachiman: I think he means blackface as in makeup that makes you look like a black guy
19:11.34Monethttp://p1.la-img.com/930/21665/7457225_2_l.jpg that face looks vaguely racist to me
19:11.52Imperioshttp://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/blackface-public-domain-United-States-Library-of-Congress.jpg stuff like that
19:12.07ImperiosThat face makes me cringe and crack simultaneous
19:12.08Imperiosly
19:12.20ImperiosMonet: I think it is just a gorilla
19:12.30HachimanThat's just a gorilla face
19:12.40XhoKalarah - shup u dum mortal fuk
19:12.49Wormy_Same *feels bad*, but then its a bad image
19:12.55MonetImperios: http://billsmovieemporium.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/king_kong_1933-24.jpg am I seeing things?
19:13.07HachimanConsider the fact that Kong is a giant gorilla, gorillas are black, the theatres only shot in black and white, and people didn't know how to make convincing gorilla puppets/suits
19:13.25ImperiosOkay that is genuinely blackface-ish
19:13.52ImperiosBut I think it's just the idea of making an ape humanoid-looking
19:13.55Wormy_Also design wasn't cheap
19:14.02ImperiosApe made human-ish = Human made ape-like
19:14.49MonetALso there's the whole thing about him having affections for the female lead. Including trying to undress her.
19:15.19HachimanI think you're looking too hard into it
19:15.59MonetI was told by my course leader there's been countless essays on Kong's racist message
19:16.43dromXho: http://i.imgur.com/fvCGTCE.jpg
19:16.56Xho"sssh, no tears, only wrench2
19:16.58Xho"*
19:17.37dromevery spy's nightmare
19:17.53ImperiosThis discussion reminded me of one WoW video I saw
19:18.57ImperiosBasically, the video's author pointed out that since Blizzard made orcs brown, they started looking like stereotypical black people
19:19.18Imperioshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtpakgIWsJQ
19:19.24MonetThis course is challenging me as to question when something reaches the point of "looking too hard into it".
19:19.28ImperiosStill can't stop watching this video
19:20.10XhoHonestly I think it's all a matter of somewhat annoying people pushing political correctness
19:20.18drombrb gotta to bed early so I won't wake up with a paralypsised body full of cramps and labour pains.
19:20.20Hachiman^
19:20.30HachimanI have to agree
19:20.45XhoPolitical correctness is a blight on society nowadays
19:21.00ImperiosIt is a good concept
19:21.07ImperiosIt's just that people tend to misuse it
19:22.08Wormy_I think that uproar about the scientist wearing the shirt with women on was pathetic.
19:22.24Wormy_The guy who landed the probe on the comet
19:22.39Wormy_He shouldn't have apologised
19:22.47HachimanI doubt that the studio that spent an incredible budget in designing and engineering Kong would have used all of that money just to make a black metaphor film
19:23.43MonetIt had shock value
19:23.55MonetShock value sells.
19:24.18ImperiosWell it could be unintentional
19:24.21ImperiosRemember the Neimodians?
19:24.31ImperiosWorse yet
19:24.35ImperiosJar Jar
19:24.43Wormy_The shirt was made by a woman, his friend.  It was fantasy themed, and yes, they had bondage.  But the philosophy of these non-self critical postmodernist ultra modern internet feminists is that "woman can wear what they want, but oh, we don't like what you are wearing"
19:25.23Wormy_If you don't what I'm talking about, look up shirtgate
19:25.29MonetImperios: I heard something about Nemodians being Asian stereotypes but I haven't heard anything about Jar Jar other than being a blight on the prequals' credibility
19:25.47ImperiosMonet: Think about it
19:25.53Wormy_The guy was attacked as a misogonyst
19:26.04MonetAnd that conspiracy that Palapatine's rise ot power was his fault
19:26.05ImperiosHuge lips, huge ears, speaks in broken English, is a slave
19:26.22Wormy_I'm not anti-feminist but I don't like its modern incarnation of internet warriors.
19:26.32ImperiosWormy_: I agree
19:26.46MonetImperios: A slave? Really?
19:26.53ImperiosWell a servant
19:27.05ImperiosOkay I might be looking too hard into it
19:27.10HachimanYes you are
19:27.27ImperiosBut again, Neimodians
19:27.43AdmiralPandaMonet: It's not even really conspiracy, I mean sure he was manipulated into it but he DID make the motion to give the Chancellor emergency poewrs
19:27.49MonetOKay Nemodians were a bit of a gaffe.
19:28.09Wormy_Instead of looking at real problems of women, perhaps in the wider world, they concetrate on trivial matters.  Oh and look at how Anita Sarkeesian is portrayed as an academic by the media.  She doesn't deserve to be threatened but her work is very unacademic and has been criticised but being disonest and not objective.
19:28.50MonetBut I'm starting to wonder Hachi if there is anything lately we ever -do- agree on.
19:29.05AdmiralPandaTake that discussion to PM
19:29.22Wormy_I just don't like overly PC pressure groups in general.  My younger cousin told me how they are not even allowed to play in the playground anymore if their teaches deem it "cold".  I don't like this nannying either its ruining everything
19:29.43ImperiosWormy_: Fighting for social justice is acceptable if there is a genuine problem
19:29.48Wormy_yeah
19:30.22Wormy_Trouble is, its often the most vocal that get the most attention, so real social justice is overshadowed.
19:30.30ImperiosLike racism in, say, South Africa or Caucasus, or homophobia in Russia
19:30.35ImperiosAlthough admittedly
19:30.42ImperiosThe latter problem is *ours*
19:30.56Wormy_With no evaluation of their claims present, its like a weird fad
19:31.07ImperiosI don't like when other people deem us barbaric or admonish us because we are apparently less tolerant
19:31.14ImperiosAs in, foreigners, Europeans etc
19:32.22MonetThis recent argument is why I don't talk as much as I used to.
19:32.38Wormy_https://twitter.com/Eggkin/status/533383029083754496?lang=en
19:33.10HachimanDon't try guilt tripping me Monet because that's a tactic that doesn't work
19:33.53MonetHachiman: No point I know.
19:36.13AdmiralPandaImperios: Actually, I developed a bit of respect for Putin when I read that speech he made at one of the global conferences. For all the bad things he does, that guy has his shit together.
19:36.43ImperiosAdmiralPanda: How do you mean?
19:37.15Hachiman>Implying Putin is a traitor and not the God-Emperor
19:37.57OluapWorkerGod-Emputor
19:38.01AdmiralPandaI can't remember which conference it was, but Putin basically laid out Russia's position in global politics and told the rest of the world they were done playing nice. Kinda glad to see a politician who actually talks strate for a change
19:38.48ImperiosYes that is Putin for you
19:39.38HachimanReminds me of Margaret Thatcher
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19:42.47Wormy_Help
19:42.57Wormy_I need IT help
19:43.27Wormy_I want to extract 100 compressed folders, but using extract all only extracts one
19:43.41Wormy_Even if I select them all
19:43.45HachimanHmm
19:44.14HachimanYeah "extract all" means as in extracting everything from one folder I believe
19:44.31Wormy_Each folder contains multiple files, and only one I need from each, and I want to copy and move them to a work folder
19:44.39ImperiosI think that internal politics aside, Putin is not really THAT worse than any other important political leader
19:44.53ImperiosWhat makes him different is that he is more blunt and straightforwards
19:44.58Imperiosin his ambitions
19:45.00Wormy_Otherwise its manual labour D:
19:45.31Wormy_I think you are right
19:45.40HachimanWell
19:45.46HachimanManual labour never hurt anyone hur
19:45.48Wormy_about them only extracting one
19:46.09HachimanImperios: That's rather admirable I gotta say
19:46.23HachimanOne thing that makes me wonder is how in the world he's still Prime Minister
19:46.41OluapWorkerPrime Putin
19:46.47OluapWorkerPrutin
19:47.01Wormy_I'm making a gological map of my fieldwork in the Islse of Arran, and then I want to present it in 3D now I have learned how to.  So its a lot of elevation data lol
19:47.08Wormy_*geological
19:47.17ImperiosHe has not been a prime minister for six years u
19:47.26Imperiosactually, wait, two
19:48.09HachimanSo wait how long has he been around
19:48.22OluapWorkerPootis is eternal
19:48.41ImperiosHachiman: From 2000
19:49.00ImperiosLemme explain, Putin's form of government is odd
19:49.15ImperiosBasically, Russian law states that a president can only serve two consecutive terms
19:49.17HachimanSo he's not the Prime Minister yet somehow he's still leading Russia?
19:50.06OluapWorkerForm of government: Putin
19:50.16ImperiosPutin was elected president in 2000 and served two terms; afterwards in 2008, his second-in-command, Medvedev, was elected, and Putin was made prime minister
19:50.23ImperiosOluapWorker: Essentially, yes
19:51.01ImperiosAfter Medvedev served for one term (that's until 2012), Putin was reelected president and Medvedev was made prime minister
19:51.41OluapWorkerWell, Russian politics aren't that different from Brazilian ones then
19:51.57OluapWorkerOur current president and the previous one are practically the same government
19:52.08OluapWorkerBoth reelected twice
19:52.23HachimanAt least it's not a military dictatorship again though
19:52.39OluapWorkerStil the same shit for 12 years
19:52.46OluapWorkerWe got close to changing this year
19:52.48Imperioshur
19:52.48OluapWorkerREALLY  close
19:53.01ImperiosSo it's essentially a cycle
19:53.05Wormy_Imperios:  Didn't you say during elections, it was found they were using dead people's votes?
19:53.13OluapWorkerThe damn bitch won with what 52% of the votes
19:53.18OluapWorkerwhat,
19:53.21ImperiosWormy_: Not sure, but possibl
19:53.22Imperiose
19:53.31HachimanThe Brazillian government are the Reapers?
19:53.36ImperiosPutin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqN2yZ26Jic#t=29
19:53.52ImperiosRussian government, too
19:53.52OluapWorkerThey're not competent enough to turn people into greater beings
19:54.03ImperiosPutin is actually the Catalyst
19:54.04Wormy_Also Imperios:  Do you erm, ever feel worried about talking about the Russian governmentg on the internet
19:54.19OluapWorkerEveryone hates him and wishes he wasn't born?
19:54.46ImperiosI am not large enough a figure to be targeted, nor am I particularily hostile towards Putin
19:54.46Wormy_I actually don't want to diss the British one too hard, because if they wanted to put me down for any reason, they'll use it as evidence as had happened to people
19:54.55ImperiosOluapWorker: Outside Russia, yes hur
19:55.05ImperiosOkay, Harbinger then
19:55.13OluapWorkerSame deal
19:56.20Wormy_I heard about this police station (there was a barrier to the media) that had a sex dungeon in the basement.  The people who exposed over several years were imprisined for petty or suspected crimes for years
19:56.28Wormy_This is in the UK
19:56.54HachimanFucking hell
19:57.13Wormy_I wish I could find out more about it
19:57.19AdmiralPandaI do have to ask who was actually using the sex dungeon and where the money to maintain it came from
19:57.42Wormy_Well, they would pick up youths or kids from the streets
19:57.45OluapWorkerThe cops were the victims all along
19:57.48OluapWorkerplot twist woooo
19:58.01OluapWorkerImperios: Can you play D&D this sunday?
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19:58.22ImperiosYa I think
19:58.29OluapWorkergud
19:58.35OluapWorkerBecause I can't DM at saturdday
19:58.56HachimanI'm going out on Saturday as well
19:59.05HachimanLike, not staying out, but just out
20:01.27ImperiosI actually am subscribed to an anti-Putin public on VK
20:01.30ImperiosIt is actually hilarious
20:01.34Imperioshttp://cs624527.vk.me/v624527268/6218/GyAyxFfw_LY.jpg
20:04.37ImpyDroidSpeaking of political correctness, black people and empires
20:05.15ImpyDroidI should work on Prophet Stone
20:06.01HachimanBut
20:06.04HachimanJavina isn't black
20:06.28ImpyDroidBut Carlini is
20:07.12ImpyDroidI will have some flashbacks showing the Inquisitors' past and I wonder what kind of training Inqs would endure
20:07.42ImpyDroidLike I don't have much experience with military/assassin training
20:07.45XhoAdmiralPanda: I'm getting into LoL
20:07.50AdmiralPandaRitualistic torture
20:08.01AdmiralPandaXho: ohgod now I'm going to have to start playing again
20:08.09Xhodo it fgt
20:08.20XhoSo far I seem to be good with Pantheon
20:08.41XhoTurns up and just fucks up the team
20:09.00ImpyDroid>Ritualistic torture
20:09.25ImpyDroidJavina and Carlini - can we do it together ♡:~:♡
20:09.36ImpyDroidOkay that was kinda too much
20:09.49XhoInquisition - heresy
20:11.19XhoAdmiralPanda: Tried using Tryndamere, probably not the best champion to begin with
20:12.04AdmiralPandaXho: Trynd is hard to figure out, despite his reputation.
20:14.01XhoYeah
20:14.03XhoAll I can say is
20:14.08XhoSquishy rage mode
20:14.12XhoSuits me well
20:18.52AdmiralPandaThe problem is, everyone knows exactly how to beat him. Either you wait patiently and ambush the enemy when their CC is down, or you die horribly
20:19.45XhoCC is a pain in the arse that's for sure
20:21.16Xhohttp://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/630w/546e3cd762121.jpg #rekt
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20:31.39DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
20:33.37Tek0516Hello
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20:37.28Wormy_My brain scrambled " Squishy" and "Suits" as "Squits" and it made me think you was having raging diarrhoea.
20:37.54Wormy_Because you said "rage" and and "arse" as well#
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20:38.58DrodoEmpirewat
20:40.36DrodoEmpire"My elderly male king was impregnated by his gay lover" - CKII thread title
20:44.52AdmiralPandaum
20:46.17DrodoEmpire...Its a weird game. XD
20:47.20AdmiralPandaClearly
20:47.34DrodoEmpireVery fun though
20:53.57ImpyDroidDrodoEmpire: Love always finds a way hur
20:54.15XhoHachiman: Just got a hold of PCSX2 and downloading Soulcalibur III
20:55.08DrodoEmpireImpy: lol
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21:09.39TekDroidHello
21:46.07DrodoEmpiretest
21:48.20Wormy_I love doing scientific projects and listening to space ambience.
21:49.13Wormy_Mapping geological structures and using terrain data analysis using a GIS mapping program
21:49.30Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D4mDTQzMl8
21:52.43Wormy_I suppose what it is about science I like is the interpretation and theory, and the unveiling of the unseen.  Often the unseen can be counter intuitive or deeply mysterious (such as in the case of quantum phenomena, or at high velocities and/or near large masses).  I suppose that's what makes the growth of knowledge exciting, a reach towards new experience and new thought
21:54.44Wormy_But even Galilean physics for counter-intuitive.
21:54.49Wormy_*was/is
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22:13.02Wormy_Wow, looks like some faults and dykes on my map aren't even on the official survey map (thats because in reality, field geologists rush through quickly and don't look at detail)
22:15.32Wormy_But then I had 10 days
22:15.51Wormy_They had a few hours to do several kilometres
22:16.45Wormy_And were working at a scale easily 10:50,000 while mine is 10:10,000
22:18.54Wormy_Its true that "geology is not an exact science", but then what is?  Mathematics?  No, by the 20th century chaos theory and undecidability came along.
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23:20.32Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/tASrcBw
23:21.08DrodoEmpirelul
23:21.39Wormy_Hachiman tries to tell a joke http://imgur.com/gallery/kYa5t0z
23:23.46DrodoEmpirehur
23:24.18Wormy_Mr President got ID'd http://imgur.com/gallery/NeaeRrI
23:25.16Wormy_You cannot explain this http://i.imgur.com/9obQ7gT.gif
23:30.20Wormy_Re:  http://i.imgur.com/c0KiiJT.jpg
23:39.18Wormy_Ooh http://www.pcgamer.com/maxis-job-listing-suggests-its-next-project-is-a-free-to-play-mmo/
23:40.35Wormy_Simulation MMO
23:40.44Wormy_Two of my fav genres in one?
23:40.50Wormy_is already excited
23:41.02Wormy_Anyway, I must go
23:50.42Tek0516I'm in a lecture about every type of engineering except mine, and he tells us all to close our laptops. -.-
23:53.20Tek0516>.< This guy seriously expects me to listen to a lecture about other programs.

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