| 00:00.29 | *** join/#sporewiki Tek0516 (~TekDroid@24.114.107.64) |
| 00:00.36 | Wormy_ | Awww http://www.thestar.com/life/2011/02/13/deafblind_couple_can_feel_the_love.html |
| 00:01.48 | Monet | I saw a Cracked article the other day that suggested that negatice criticism is often a result of a reactionary response when it comes to important information. Rather than realising how significant a new piece of information is, a reader of an article say about China's enviromental impact, the reader wil lfind it easier to say and believe the reporter is a fraud because its the easier consequence ot conclude. |
| 00:03.28 | Monet | Rather than (in this case) living with the idea that China is a major contributor to biosphere decline. |
| 00:21.13 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 00:21.20 | Vincent20100 | failed |
| 00:22.01 | DrodoEmpire | 3: |
| 00:23.38 | Hachiman | At least one military manufacturer in the Fictionverse, government-funded or not, should produce a variant of sniper rifles that are allowed to be efficiently one-handed |
| 00:24.08 | Hachiman | For use by otherwise unaugmented infantry |
| 00:24.46 | Monet | ...okay |
| 00:24.53 | Vincent20100 | That's an idea |
| 00:25.13 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tro_Klak_L._75 |
| 00:25.19 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tro_Klak_L._95 |
| 00:25.28 | Monet | THen again I suppose that's what a bipod oculd be for. |
| 00:25.28 | Vincent20100 | These are my sniper rifles |
| 00:26.33 | DrodoEmpire | hachi: Firing one-handed is an idiotic thing to do with any firearm. :P |
| 00:26.58 | DrodoEmpire | No matter how accurate the weapon is, your wrist is only so strong and steady |
| 00:27.01 | Vincent20100 | ^ |
| 00:27.08 | DrodoEmpire | Plus rifles need the barrel length for accuracy |
| 00:27.08 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: THat's what I thought but I'm guessing Hachi also means amputees |
| 00:27.10 | Hachiman | I thought pistols and revolvers were designed to be one-handed? |
| 00:27.13 | Vincent20100 | That is true even for hand guns |
| 00:27.20 | DrodoEmpire | They *can* be used one handed |
| 00:27.21 | Vincent20100 | No |
| 00:27.25 | DrodoEmpire | Its a foolish thing to do though |
| 00:27.27 | Vincent20100 | Two hands |
| 00:27.30 | Vincent20100 | ALWAYS! |
| 00:27.35 | Monet | If you're moving and firing a sniper rifle, you're using it wrong. |
| 00:27.41 | Vincent20100 | Never, NEVER shot a weapon with one hand |
| 00:27.41 | DrodoEmpire | They're made to be compact sidearms; not to be used one-handed |
| 00:27.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:27.54 | Tek0516 | "Neonicotinoids Nixed" That's a tongue twisting headline |
| 00:28.08 | DrodoEmpire | At best you'll miss; At worst you'll break your wrist |
| 00:28.39 | Monet | Also Vince is right. You can fire a pistol or a revolver one-handed, but you'll losse a lot of accuracy and won't be able ot control recoil as easily |
| 00:29.02 | Vincent20100 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3PUXbo3tCo |
| 00:29.07 | Vincent20100 | This is what happen otherwise |
| 00:29.31 | Tek0516 | Moving while trying to aim it would really throw off accuracy |
| 00:30.02 | Vincent20100 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3PUXbo3tCo |
| 00:30.07 | DrodoEmpire | Only really at point-blank range will you hit anything one-handed; Even then literally the only two excuses to shoot a pistol one-handed is if A you have a sword in the other hand or B you only have one arm or hand |
| 00:31.04 | DrodoEmpire | And seeing as swords aren't used in warfare anymore, and you probably shouldn't send amputees out to war, both of those are really rendered moot in all but the most ridiculous circumstances |
| 00:31.11 | Vincent20100 | Video games where you have 2 hand guns in hands are stupid |
| 00:31.16 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:31.29 | Vincent20100 | You just miss mthe target with both gun |
| 00:31.40 | DrodoEmpire | Dual-wielding is basically doubling the risk to yourself while cutting your own combat effectiveness in half |
| 00:31.46 | Vincent20100 | [19:29] <Tek0516> Moving while trying to aim it would really throw off accuracy |
| 00:31.49 | Vincent20100 | That is also a no-go |
| 00:31.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:32.08 | Vincent20100 | Even militaries don't do that |
| 00:32.14 | DrodoEmpire | "Run-and-gun" is a bad idea; Find cover, stay in it, and shoot |
| 00:32.26 | Vincent20100 | Except special cases (which the average citizen will never run into) |
| 00:32.27 | DrodoEmpire | If you gotta move, keep your head down and do so quickly |
| 00:32.43 | Vincent20100 | And lean forward |
| 00:32.46 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:32.51 | Tek0516 | Real life doesn't have a targetting reticule. :P |
| 00:32.58 | Vincent20100 | Don't do like gangstas that lean backward, the recoil can make you fall |
| 00:33.11 | DrodoEmpire | Also don't hold your pistol sideways. :P |
| 00:33.23 | Vincent20100 | Police man lean forward when they hold their gun for a reason |
| 00:33.27 | Vincent20100 | ^^ |
| 00:33.58 | DrodoEmpire | So this is the long answer to why holding a pistol one-handed is bad and why a one-handed sniper rifle is redundant, useless, and impossible. |
| 00:34.00 | DrodoEmpire | To be blunt |
| 00:34.01 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:34.42 | Vincent20100 | Hand guns are made to be cheap and concealable, not to be one handed |
| 00:34.45 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:35.05 | Monet | Hachiman: OKay. Other than "I thought revolvers and pistols are designed ot be one-handed" and "so unaugmented people can shoot them with one hand" what are the other possibilities you thought as ot why there would be such a manufacturer? |
| 00:35.33 | Vincent20100 | For one-handed species I guess ^^ |
| 00:35.57 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:36.08 | Hachiman | Dunno hur |
| 00:36.48 | Hachiman | I saw the Lord General from Dawn of War II carry a power sword and one-hand a sniper rifle and thought that it'd be a neat idea hur |
| 00:36.53 | Vincent20100 | Sowwy for that aggressive expose, but as the son of a policeman and a lover of waepons, that touched me ^^ |
| 00:36.58 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 00:37.15 | DrodoEmpire | Wonder how buddy actually used the scope then. :P |
| 00:37.30 | Hachiman | Well if I remember correctly he has a cybernetic eye implant |
| 00:37.31 | Monet | Space Marine Bolters lack a stock. But that's because their power armour balances the firearm for them |
| 00:37.34 | DrodoEmpire | Like, you should keep your eye away from the scope but not a whole arm's length. XD |
| 00:37.37 | Hachiman | If he doesn't then he has a fucking great moustache |
| 00:37.58 | Monet | And the Lord General ahs a robotic arm iirc |
| 00:38.16 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Seems a little frivolous, the balancing system but alright |
| 00:38.37 | Monet | I designed that DI fusion rifle to be used one-handed but its only useable if you have an augmented arm to stabilise the gun and control recoil, and aiming is provided by HUD-weapon sight communication. |
| 00:38.42 | DrodoEmpire | I don't see what a cheap folding stock could do that's any worse |
| 00:39.11 | DrodoEmpire | This one-handed stuff sounds silly unless swords are a *very common* armament imo |
| 00:39.15 | Monet | AUgmented arm or a powered exoskeleton will do, which the Talon Marine Corps have standard issue anyway. |
| 00:39.24 | DrodoEmpire | And even then that's why bayonets where invented |
| 00:39.36 | Tek0516 | ^ |
| 00:39.42 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 00:39.42 | DrodoEmpire | To turn a rifle into a spear, or glaie |
| 00:39.46 | DrodoEmpire | *glaive |
| 00:39.54 | Hachiman | I always thought a sword swings better than a bayonet :p |
| 00:39.58 | Vincent20100 | The Algolurns assault rifles (lasers) actually have kinetic bayonnets |
| 00:40.03 | Monet | Bayonets re better for stabbing |
| 00:40.14 | DrodoEmpire | Well all you need to do is stab, and sword bayonets fix that problem by being more like glaives |
| 00:40.20 | DrodoEmpire | And can also be shortswords |
| 00:40.29 | Tek0516 | Having a sword just means more bulk to carry and more stuff to drop. ;) |
| 00:40.33 | DrodoEmpire | So long as it isn't a carbine making a bayonet would be cheaper and more efficient |
| 00:40.33 | Hachiman | Consider the enemies the Imperial Guard usually fights and the armour they usually tend to wear |
| 00:40.39 | Vincent20100 | Yah, lots of bayonnets are actually removable to be nused as swords |
| 00:40.45 | Monet | if you're cutting with a bayonet (stabbing is more accurate) you're using it wrong |
| 00:40.54 | DrodoEmpire | So? What could a sword do that's any better than a 15 to 30cm long sword bayonet? |
| 00:41.05 | DrodoEmpire | You hae more reach with a bayonet and their cheaper |
| 00:41.07 | Vincent20100 | It's lighter |
| 00:41.15 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: SWORD BAYONETS |
| 00:41.33 | DrodoEmpire | They made the weapon into a glaive; epee bayonets are what you're thinking of and they're obsolete |
| 00:42.02 | Tek0516 | Also there's the fact that you really shouldn't be doing a ton of melee when your army has rifles. :P |
| 00:42.12 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 00:42.13 | Monet | The Imperial Guard in DoW have combat knives for bayonets. But that's probably because a combat knife is standard issue for guardsmen and is probably more versatile than a purpose-built bayonet. |
| 00:42.16 | DrodoEmpire | Swords do hae their benefits, but their hard to switch to quickly and tend to be bulky, hence why they used to be issued to officers and cavalry |
| 00:42.21 | Vincent20100 | That's why I love flamethrowers ^^ |
| 00:42.21 | Tek0516 | ^^ |
| 00:42.28 | Hachiman | Ech flamethrowers |
| 00:42.44 | Vincent20100 | Flames don't cary about accuracy |
| 00:42.45 | Hachiman | Implying flamethrowers are efficient for anything other than bunker-busting |
| 00:42.50 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:42.55 | DrodoEmpire | They're stupid weapons |
| 00:42.58 | DrodoEmpire | ]Too bulky |
| 00:43.04 | Vincent20100 | They can clear vegetations |
| 00:43.15 | Vincent20100 | And just burn the fuck out of infantry |
| 00:43.19 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: World War One wants to say otherwise. :P Trench warfare was all about melee combat once you reached them; Rifles where little more than spears and clubs |
| 00:43.24 | Tek0516 | Flamethrowers can also be used to clear enemy terrain |
| 00:43.25 | Monet | "flames don't care about acuracy" or who's side is getting burned |
| 00:43.37 | DrodoEmpire | They're also bulky and require you to be well within the range of a rifle |
| 00:43.44 | Vincent20100 | Guns don't care if you shot a friend too -_- |
| 00:43.46 | DrodoEmpire | Which means yo can easily be picked off |
| 00:43.49 | Hachiman | Plus if your flamethrower gets shot, not only do you endanger yourself but everyone around you |
| 00:43.50 | DrodoEmpire | *you |
| 00:43.53 | Monet | A quick change of the wind and suddenly you're setting your own fortification ablaze |
| 00:43.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:44.03 | DrodoEmpire | They're overrated weapons entirely |
| 00:44.12 | DrodoEmpire | Once you get within range, sure |
| 00:44.17 | Vincent20100 | Well, in Fictionverse, the tank explosion problem can pretty much be secured |
| 00:44.25 | DrodoEmpire | Good luck getting with 100 feet of a machine gun though. |
| 00:44.27 | Monet | You don't really hear about them being used much i nthe field |
| 00:44.34 | DrodoEmpire | With sixty pounds on your back |
| 00:44.39 | Vincent20100 | But in WW", several tanks were equipped with flamethrowers and they had great results |
| 00:44.50 | Tek0516 | If you want fire it's probably better to just use a napalm bomb or such. |
| 00:44.52 | DrodoEmpire | But they're tanks; Expensive ones to |
| 00:44.56 | DrodoEmpire | *too |
| 00:45.05 | DrodoEmpire | And lack the versitility of regular tanks |
| 00:45.15 | DrodoEmpire | Which can, again, pick them off before they get anywhere close |
| 00:45.17 | Vincent20100 | AndNo that much, it was less expansive to fire than a conventionnal shell |
| 00:45.29 | DrodoEmpire | The refitting I mean |
| 00:45.36 | DrodoEmpire | And I'll refer to my last point |
| 00:45.49 | DrodoEmpire | Flamethrowers are cruel and overrated weapons |
| 00:45.53 | Tek0516 | Like I said, just use a napalm bomb. :P |
| 00:45.56 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:46.02 | Hachiman | Or a plasma grenade |
| 00:46.07 | DrodoEmpire | Plasma lol |
| 00:46.14 | Vincent20100 | And the advantage of flamethrower over melle stuff is that the range is still shorter than rifles, but still longer than any melle weapon |
| 00:46.14 | Hachiman | Plasma in the Halo-sense |
| 00:46.25 | DrodoEmpire | Plasma isn't really an effective weapon realistically |
| 00:46.28 | Hachiman | As in the sticky hyper-reactive blue energetic stuff |
| 00:46.34 | DrodoEmpire | Haloverse "plasme" yeah |
| 00:46.36 | Monet | Scientific plasma no. |
| 00:46.36 | DrodoEmpire | *plasma |
| 00:46.49 | DrodoEmpire | But again, good luck using it |
| 00:46.53 | Monet | But who knows. They might be effective concussive weapons. |
| 00:47.06 | Monet | You're compressing a lot of material. |
| 00:47.09 | DrodoEmpire | It has a very niche role and is outclassed by eerything else |
| 00:47.30 | DrodoEmpire | It can stop a bayonet charge or kill an unsuspecting enemy, but that's *all* it can do |
| 00:47.43 | DrodoEmpire | Realistically speaking |
| 00:47.53 | DrodoEmpire | Not cost-efficient |
| 00:47.56 | Hachiman | Also Drodo, can I ask, what the fuck is a bouncing betty and how does it work hur |
| 00:47.59 | Monet | The grenade being sticky doesn't have to be restricted ot plasma grenades. |
| 00:48.04 | Vincent20100 | burn Drodo with it's APR made flamethrower! |
| 00:48.23 | Vincent20100 | And roll over him with it's flamethrower Soviet T-34 |
| 00:48.35 | DrodoEmpire | Its a type of grenade or mine that I believe uses a spring mechanism to bounce up to chest or head-level, and then blows up |
| 00:48.42 | Hachiman | Fucking hell |
| 00:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | Probably uses a tripwire |
| 00:48.53 | DrodoEmpire | They are very terrible weapons |
| 00:49.08 | Vincent20100 | Bouncing betty are basically and personnal mines |
| 00:49.12 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:49.13 | Vincent20100 | *anti |
| 00:49.19 | DrodoEmpire | Anti-personell, yeah |
| 00:50.09 | Monet | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Bouncing-mine.svg/299px-Bouncing-mine.svg.png founda diagram of the fragmentation blast |
| 00:50.20 | Vincent20100 | Actually, I consider bouncing betty to be less horrible then other mines, since they usually kill unlike other mines that just estropiate |
| 00:50.25 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:50.49 | DrodoEmpire | I just imagine the carnage it must induce; But yeah at least its an instant, if very gruesome, kill. |
| 00:50.53 | Vincent20100 | modern anti-personnal mine usually just rip off one or two legs rather then kill |
| 00:50.57 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:51.04 | DrodoEmpire | They maim |
| 00:51.46 | DrodoEmpire | Which is similar to a lot of weapons; sabres, especially curved ones for example where often responsible for making gruesome but non-lethal cuts that got infected easilyu |
| 00:51.48 | Monet | Apparently there is controversy surrounding them possibly violating human rights in warfare. |
| 00:52.05 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 00:52.16 | Hachiman | So that's how so many ex-soldiers return from tours as amputees |
| 00:52.24 | Vincent20100 | AP mines were always controversial |
| 00:52.37 | Vincent20100 | Just like cluster-bombs |
| 00:52.38 | DrodoEmpire | There where plenty of reports especially in the napoleonic wars about soldiers being crippled for life by a non-fatal cut in the arm, leg, even head |
| 00:52.38 | Monet | Mines and grenades probably kill more than assault rifles. |
| 00:52.40 | Hachiman | I always wondered why so many soldiers somehow managed to survive mines |
| 00:52.58 | Vincent20100 | Monet: Not sure about that |
| 00:53.06 | Vincent20100 | BEcause mines are buried |
| 00:53.14 | Vincent20100 | which reduced their explosive powers |
| 00:53.30 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose we should say "cause more casualties" |
| 00:53.32 | Vincent20100 | ANd the explosive charge in it is kinda small, to make then affordable by third world countries |
| 00:53.39 | Vincent20100 | Still not sure |
| 00:53.52 | Monet | Well consider that possibly 1 in every 10 bullets is actually intended to hit something. The rest are used in suppression. |
| 00:54.06 | Vincent20100 | If I remember correctly, most of the casualties in warfare comes from aerial bombardments |
| 00:54.09 | Monet | Or soemthing like that |
| 00:54.23 | Monet | VIncent: Still explosives |
| 00:54.28 | DrodoEmpire | Nowadays yeah |
| 00:54.39 | DrodoEmpire | I remember historically the big killer was the bayonet. |
| 00:54.46 | Vincent20100 | [19:52] <Monet> Mines and grenades probably kill more than assault rifles. |
| 00:54.51 | Vincent20100 | You didn't said explosives |
| 00:55.03 | Vincent20100 | There is quite a way between mines and cluster bombs |
| 00:55.12 | DrodoEmpire | Firearms, artillery and sword cuts all counted for about a third, while injuries and deaths by bayonets took the rest |
| 00:55.18 | Monet | No but mines and grenades are still a form of explosive |
| 00:55.38 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: The reason for that being that back then, charges were a legitimate combat strategy while it's pretty much outright redundant now |
| 00:55.41 | Vincent20100 | But that is not what your sentece was -_- |
| 00:55.50 | Vincent20100 | *sentence |
| 00:55.53 | Monet | Please don't get pedantic... |
| 00:56.05 | DrodoEmpire | hachi: precisely; Plus how terrible firearms used to be |
| 00:56.22 | DrodoEmpire | Bayonet charges where just common docrine in the napoleonic era and before |
| 00:56.45 | DrodoEmpire | Though after the minie rifle (the first rifle that was viable for line infantry), this quickly shifted to become the exact opposite |
| 00:56.46 | Vincent20100 | Anyway, nowaday, 90% of the casualties in warfare are civilians |
| 00:57.17 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as now you have rifles that can shoot accurately up to 600 metres, rather than the fifty paces of before |
| 00:57.38 | Monet | I can see why the bouncing betty would be a human rights violation; when a standard AP mine goes off, you lose a limb at best, maybe require intensive care or death at worst. A Boncing Betty jumps up to waist or face height and shreds your torso or legs ot pieces or possibly horribly disfigures your face. |
| 00:57.57 | DrodoEmpire | Hence why the American Civil War; The first major war with these new musket rifles, was so costly |
| 00:58.15 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as they where using outdated tactics for such a terrifying new weapon; The Minie |
| 00:58.15 | Vincent20100 | Monet: Bouncing betties were lethal most of time, while standard mines aren't |
| 00:58.30 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, Bouncing betties just mean its closed-casket |
| 00:58.32 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:58.42 | Vincent20100 | You have to be very close to a Betty to actually trigger it up |
| 00:58.50 | DrodoEmpire | Normal mines are the human rights violation because they maim and scar people for life |
| 00:59.02 | Vincent20100 | Not just that |
| 00:59.02 | DrodoEmpire | The fact that they are rarely lethal is why they are so horrific |
| 00:59.10 | Vincent20100 | Mines stay buried even after conflicts |
| 00:59.13 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:59.16 | Vincent20100 | And they kill civilians |
| 00:59.24 | DrodoEmpire | And can stay buried for years, een decades |
| 00:59.28 | DrodoEmpire | *even |
| 00:59.29 | Vincent20100 | Military just "forgot" where they placed them |
| 00:59.50 | Vincent20100 | There is still Mines buried in France that are still operationnal |
| 00:59.57 | DrodoEmpire | Scary thought |
| 01:00.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: As well, not only is the bayonet charge redundant nowadays; Its suicide |
| 01:00.44 | DrodoEmpire | Look at World War I, for example |
| 01:00.53 | Monet | The charge of the Light Brigade |
| 01:01.00 | Vincent20100 | The mine don't dig themselves up after the conflict saying " Ha, the germans lsot. Time to go home'' |
| 01:01.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hundreds of thousands, *Millions*, of casualties in a single day |
| 01:01.18 | DrodoEmpire | rite |
| 01:01.33 | Vincent20100 | Charge were useless long before WW |
| 01:01.43 | Vincent20100 | They were already useless during the American Civil War |
| 01:02.04 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Well part of that *was* an absolutely retarded tactical decision; Cavalry still had some use before they became obsolete |
| 01:02.11 | DrodoEmpire | In the Crimean war |
| 01:02.16 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickett%27s_Charge |
| 01:02.19 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:02.21 | Monet | They were still good for flanking |
| 01:02.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah Pickett's charge was a disaster |
| 01:02.33 | Vincent20100 | ^^ |
| 01:03.14 | Vincent20100 | I actually visited Gettysburg this summer |
| 01:03.43 | DrodoEmpire | It really was one of the first warnings that defence was beginning to outstrip the offence; A trend that reached its peak during the First World War |
| 01:03.54 | DrodoEmpire | The fact that such a massive charge was turned away |
| 01:04.36 | Vincent20100 | It's funny to see how the guides aren't describing the Confederates as "Devils themselves" like they did for the Brits during my visit at Boston |
| 01:04.38 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo cavalry - ...Perhaps I should hae joined the infantry |
| 01:05.05 | Vincent20100 | Probably because nowaday, several american still remember some parents were among them |
| 01:05.16 | DrodoEmpire | Drodo Cavalry - Nah just kidding I got energy shields |
| 01:05.37 | Vincent20100 | Nowaday offensive is actually valuable |
| 01:05.41 | Monet | And British are foreigners. They'd only find out if we actually went there :P |
| 01:05.51 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:06.20 | Vincent20100 | Americans call every foes they fought "Devils incarnated" except the Confederates |
| 01:06.29 | Vincent20100 | Kinda ironnically |
| 01:06.35 | DrodoEmpire | Probably because they where fellow Americans. :P |
| 01:06.45 | DrodoEmpire | Even if still bitter enemies |
| 01:06.56 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:07.15 | Vincent20100 | Nowaday, several american remember they had an ancestor who fought for the confederates |
| 01:07.37 | Monet | Its nationalism. |
| 01:08.03 | Vincent20100 | No |
| 01:08.07 | Vincent20100 | It's 'Murica! |
| 01:08.15 | Vincent20100 | F*** YAH! |
| 01:08.17 | Monet | I suppose its both |
| 01:08.30 | Vincent20100 | This |
| 01:08.32 | Vincent20100 | is |
| 01:08.34 | Vincent20100 | 'MURICA!!! |
| 01:08.41 | DrodoEmpire | I also find ironic how segregated regiments of black people where actually in positions in the back lines; Like artillery or logistics |
| 01:08.46 | DrodoEmpire | I guess the logic was so the whites would take all of the glory |
| 01:08.47 | Vincent20100 | kick Monet with it's boot. |
| 01:08.58 | DrodoEmpire | But in practice, whitey just went out and got himself killed. :P |
| 01:09.45 | Monet | I remember when visiting NYC I got an "'ey up guv'ner" when I revealed I was from England to this one guy. Even though I was brought up in Oxfordshire. |
| 01:10.21 | Vincent20100 | "'ey up guv'ner" What? |
| 01:10.24 | Monet | Granted I didn't tell him I was from the Oxford region. Just that I was English |
| 01:10.40 | Monet | Vincent20100: Cockney |
| 01:11.02 | DrodoEmpire | Honestly it wouldn't hae mattered. XD If Americans are anything like Canadians in this regard, we don't know our British counties |
| 01:11.29 | DrodoEmpire | *have |
| 01:11.30 | Monet | I'm sure it was all in gest but not many brits address each other as "guv'ner" anymore. |
| 01:11.30 | Vincent20100 | Ho my gosh, my king is at war with every single other kingdoms in Mounts and Blades! |
| 01:11.45 | Wormy_ | As a dog owner I lolled at the people trying to be clever by submitting to an angry pack of dogs. They are not wolves, they want you out of their territory and they are nervous. Put the bike between you and them and be commanding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oOrwqS-0L4 |
| 01:12.15 | DrodoEmpire | Which is sort of sad seeing how culturally separate Canada is from the UK nowadays; Not thirty years ago we recited "God Save the Queen" in school at the end of the day. :P |
| 01:12.45 | Monet | I'm trying to think if the UK ever did that... |
| 01:12.47 | DrodoEmpire | "We" being Canadians, not necessarily myself. XD |
| 01:13.06 | Vincent20100 | Honestly Drodo, it's a good thing we stop did that |
| 01:13.24 | Vincent20100 | I would never recite this, nor the AMerican Oath of Alliegance |
| 01:13.40 | Monet | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607486/God-Save-Queen-How-school-children-begin-classes-singing-national-anthem-new-plans-improve-British-pride.html I spoke too soon |
| 01:13.41 | DrodoEmpire | Not to me; I like the whole "commonwealth" thing and do feel we should be more connected to Britain |
| 01:14.32 | DrodoEmpire | I agree I, as a Canadian should have to recite the Oath a Alliegance. :P I'm happy to stand for the anthem though. |
| 01:14.37 | DrodoEmpire | *shouldn't |
| 01:14.41 | DrodoEmpire | shouldn't hae to |
| 01:14.45 | DrodoEmpire | *have |
| 01:15.03 | Vincent20100 | Even if I was in the USA I would not |
| 01:15.22 | Vincent20100 | Just like I never sing their natinnal anthem at baseball |
| 01:15.27 | Vincent20100 | *nationnal |
| 01:16.00 | DrodoEmpire | Well yeah of course you don't; Being a foreigner you have no obligation or need to |
| 01:16.25 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Canadian schools recite Oh Canada eery morning. :P Doesn't seem new to me really |
| 01:16.28 | DrodoEmpire | *every |
| 01:17.36 | Tybusen | At American schools we're supposed to pledge allegiance to the American flag every day |
| 01:17.48 | Monet | I don't ever recall reciting God save the Queen in school. Though assemblies in my primary school typically ended with everyone singing a hymn from a projector |
| 01:18.40 | Tybusen | We do sing the national anthem before sporting events but we don't recite any other sort of anthems at school |
| 01:19.06 | Vincent20100 | DrodoEmpire: I would not sing both even if I was american |
| 01:19.15 | Monet | I say the anthem because I don't recall the UK having an oath of alliegence. |
| 01:19.18 | DrodoEmpire | Good for you...? :P |
| 01:19.26 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno where you're going with this anymore |
| 01:19.28 | Vincent20100 | And we never recite the Oh Canada at school, da hell? o.O |
| 01:19.46 | DrodoEmpire | Must be a provincial thing then. :P |
| 01:19.54 | Vincent20100 | It is |
| 01:20.00 | DrodoEmpire | I live in Nova Scotia, you? |
| 01:20.12 | Vincent20100 | Education in Canada is a competence of Province, not the Federal |
| 01:20.14 | Vincent20100 | Quebec |
| 01:20.23 | DrodoEmpire | Explains a lot then yeah |
| 01:20.26 | Wormy_ | I learned there used to be an Empire day |
| 01:20.36 | DrodoEmpire | That sounds sort of badass really |
| 01:20.37 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 01:20.39 | Vincent20100 | Yep |
| 01:20.44 | Wormy_ | aye |
| 01:20.55 | Vincent20100 | And there is no Victoria or Queen's day in Quebec too |
| 01:20.56 | Wormy_ | Its now called the un-celebrated Commonwealth day |
| 01:21.02 | DrodoEmpire | Huh |
| 01:21.26 | Vincent20100 | It's called the Patriots Day instead ^^ |
| 01:21.27 | DrodoEmpire | "Commonwealth" sounds considerably less fucking awesome than "Empire". :P |
| 01:21.37 | Vincent20100 | ^ |
| 01:21.44 | Vincent20100 | I must admit that |
| 01:21.48 | Wormy_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Day#United_Kingdom |
| 01:22.12 | Monet | Oh if only the days of the empire were not long gone. |
| 01:22.26 | Monet | Perhaps what is needed is a reinvigoration of the COmmonwealth |
| 01:22.46 | Wormy_ | We do have the Queen's speech every Christmas. Last year there were clips of people celebrating across the commonwealth, including these tribal people, and I thought "Its the Empire" |
| 01:22.48 | Wormy_ | XD |
| 01:23.12 | Wormy_ | It was depicted like an Empire sort of thing |
| 01:23.13 | Monet | I hear places like Canada and AUstrailia want out of it because being "a apart of the commonwealth" is nothing more than a bragging right these days. |
| 01:23.34 | Monet | a part* |
| 01:23.37 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: I'd support that actually; I really do believe in our connection to Britain is important. :P |
| 01:23.45 | Vincent20100 | Monet: I can assure you this isn't true here in Canada ^^ |
| 01:24.21 | Vincent20100 | I'm going to Ontario a lot and since the Conservatives are there, the Queens is a lot more present than before |
| 01:24.41 | Monet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_%28United_Kingdom%29 oh turns out the UK does have an oath |
| 01:24.47 | Wormy_ | found it http://youtu.be/6E4v4Dw5Ags?t=3m28s |
| 01:25.14 | Vincent20100 | Monet: Yah, the Canadian have to swear it to get into the military |
| 01:25.41 | Vincent20100 | But we have the right to remove the So help me God. |
| 01:26.23 | Monet | I was never in the scouts, not did I take citizenship classes so I guess the state thought I didn't need to recite it |
| 01:27.29 | Wormy_ | I might have taken an oaf when I was in the Scouts come to think of it |
| 01:27.35 | Wormy_ | *oath |
| 01:28.44 | Wormy_ | I took some kind of oath anyway. But then I also remember pledging an oath to Taikwondoe and Korea (not sure North or South hur) |
| 01:29.07 | Wormy_ | When I did taekwondoe |
| 01:29.08 | Monet | South probably |
| 01:29.29 | Wormy_ | Its all culture, means something only if you care |
| 01:29.55 | Monet | I think Taekwondo started out as a martial arts form used by the SOuth KOrean military. |
| 01:30.01 | Wormy_ | I've already defected to chinese martial arts lol |
| 01:30.18 | Wormy_ | well |
| 01:30.52 | Wormy_ | Whether Tai Chi is a martial art depends on whether you like martial arts or is an MMA head which you probably wouldn't care |
| 01:31.09 | Wormy_ | I like watching MMA but I'm disgusted by its fans |
| 01:31.18 | Monet | How so? |
| 01:31.23 | DrodoEmpire | What are they like? |
| 01:31.47 | Monet | There was an MMA shampion at this year's EVE fanfest |
| 01:31.57 | Wormy_ | These internal warriors usually every other form of martial art |
| 01:32.01 | Wormy_ | *internet |
| 01:32.09 | Wormy_ | usuallyu diss |
| 01:32.51 | Wormy_ | And there are some kinds who try to reduce MMA to basically kick boxing or BJJ, which is not MMA if its not mixed |
| 01:33.43 | Wormy_ | But then |
| 01:33.53 | Wormy_ | There is this fighter called Cung Le |
| 01:34.29 | Wormy_ | Who does MMA, kick boxing and wushu (chinese martial arts) and he kicks arse in UFC and uses unorthodox moves. So there |
| 01:35.11 | Wormy_ | Although Bispin beat him, because Cung Le is getting older and sustained an eye injury (first 2 rounds were his) |
| 01:37.19 | Wormy_ | Anyway I quite like Tai Chi, though one needs to master it to turn into a fighting style |
| 01:37.26 | Wormy_ | so that means many years |
| 01:37.37 | Wormy_ | Otherwise, I do it after running, and it feels good |
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| 01:47.39 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 01:47.46 | Wormy_ | Monet: Many MMA fighters in UFC however are not arrogant |
| 01:48.00 | Wormy_ | to the degree some of the fanbase is |
| 01:48.01 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Monet47/Sandbox#Imperial_Oath_of_Alliegence since we were talking about it I finally wrote this up |
| 01:48.18 | Wormy_ | A few are very respectful |
| 01:49.10 | Wormy_ | DCP - Oath is programmed by more than cultural honour |
| 01:49.19 | Wormy_ | Anyway, bye |
| 01:50.07 | Monet | Yeah I'm largely unfamiliar with these things so any suggestions I would love since I have been putting off writing this since forever |
| 01:50.42 | Monet | Considering that I have been saying for a long time that PoWs have to recite this with honesty to not end up a sub-citizens. |
| 02:13.51 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:18.41 | OfficerJackal | DrodoEmpire: Belated loud and clear! |
| 02:21.04 | DrodoEmpire | yey |
| 02:21.11 | DrodoEmpire | <:3 |
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| 05:00.01 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 06:04.01 | Halopediaman | Howdy. |
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| 06:46.25 | ImpyDroid | hi |
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| 11:10.13 | HachiDroid | I fucking hate dogs sometimes |
| 11:11.26 | Liquid_Ink | Still with the puppies? |
| 11:11.55 | HachiDroid | A puppy and yeah |
| 11:12.13 | HachiDroid | A puppy and two older dogs |
| 11:14.16 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle HachiDroid |
| 11:14.16 | infobot | ACTION grabs HachiDroid and cuddles until HachiDroid begs for mercy |
| 11:14.22 | HachiDroid | Well now it's asleep so I can rest for a bit |
| 11:14.30 | HachiDroid | <3 |
| 11:17.38 | HachiDroid | So now I'm stuck with daytime television and its really painful to watch |
| 11:19.27 | OluapWorker | What's so bad about this puppy that makes you unable to leave its presence? |
| 11:20.43 | HachiDroid | It eats things it can get its cute little chops around |
| 11:21.10 | HachiDroid | This includes wires, electronics, and the other dogs |
| 11:22.50 | HachiDroid | That and it's fucking adorable and it's asleep on my lap and it's <3 |
| 11:23.18 | OluapWorker | hur |
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| 12:40.16 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: http://lurkmore.so/images/0/09/Funny-pictures-auto-india-britain-479232.jpg |
| 12:42.43 | Liquid_Ink | I saw |
| 12:42.45 | Liquid_Ink | I lolled |
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| 12:51.40 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
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| 12:53.57 | drom | So I figured out that we are supposed to have maths. But I left my book in my dorm becasue I thought it would be tech. |
| 12:54.06 | drom | ffffffff- |
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| 13:14.14 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 13:22.16 | Hachiman | Puppy's asleep and in her cage, can be here for a bit |
| 13:22.42 | ImpyDroid | http://lurkmore.so/images/f/fe/Amusing-sheep-sign.jpg |
| 13:22.47 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 13:24.04 | Hachiman | "Second place is the first loser" |
| 13:24.11 | Hachiman | My philosophy in a nutshell hur |
| 13:26.35 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/61ekxPv0hK6JjdiQ9iMEwGXliW6s0aG7UoqVig486aZK5pt9vwA0dgLpTYJu11Z_q3R33NzYVb3n2YHZz3M6I25fpcJEy95BqqPZ78PVu7kaJz2vu2bv-gd7NS8j_lLVz9gYrr__UJlL6h0zbXF2kptbrHt7TPL-68znFew-bNRw9dLTXD6fjmmQ=w646-h405-nc The Brit King |
| 13:27.02 | ImpyDroid | Wait who is Scar then |
| 13:27.33 | Hachiman | Ireland |
| 13:29.10 | ImpyDroid | http://i.imgur.com/LDwWx7f.png |
| 13:29.15 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
| 13:29.15 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
| 13:29.41 | Hachiman | <3 |
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| 13:53.53 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
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| 13:59.36 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:02.21 | Hachiman | http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1416299806923.jpg So somebody on 4chan found this nice bestiary of Lovecraftian entities and monsters |
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| 14:03.33 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 14:12.57 | Vincent20100 | Hachiman: What is that? O_o |
| 14:13.37 | Hachiman | It's a bestiary that marks the hierarchy of Lovecraftian authors' monsters and entities |
| 14:14.45 | Wormy_ | I still mean to get into reading that |
| 14:16.01 | Wormy_ | Lovecraftian are really truly alien species aren't they? |
| 14:16.11 | Hachiman | Jah |
| 14:17.35 | Hachiman | Well some of them anyway, others are more recognizeable to standard mutants and ghouls and such |
| 14:19.58 | Hachiman | welcum bak fag |
| 14:20.43 | OluapWorker | shup fagit |
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| 14:24.12 | Imperios | Hi |
| 14:25.59 | OluapWorker | ohi |
| 14:26.05 | Vincent20100 | Hey Imper! |
| 14:26.15 | OluapWorker | Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Red_Harmony me and Hachi got a new story up |
| 14:26.23 | Imperios | Just seen this |
| 14:26.35 | Imperios | >Oevrumine - Ah, liquor stronk! |
| 14:26.41 | Imperios | Liquor cannot into space |
| 14:27.55 | Wormy_ | depends how muchyou had |
| 14:28.05 | Imperios | Rite, that is interesting |
| 14:29.12 | Imperios | So we'll be facing vampire remnants now? |
| 14:29.31 | OluapWorker | If by we you mean Hachi, yes hur |
| 14:29.41 | Imperios | Yeah |
| 14:30.00 | Imperios | BTW could this be the chance to use Vurdal and/or Alcony? (not necessarily by me) |
| 14:30.09 | OluapWorker | No hur |
| 14:30.15 | Imperios | fuk u womabn |
| 14:30.44 | OluapWorker | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141118021817/spore/images/2/2e/Clothovera_Aether_State.png also ahve spooky |
| 14:31.21 | Imperios | Seen this |
| 14:31.32 | Imperios | http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Galadriel2.gif That's what I thought of when I saw this |
| 14:31.54 | OluapWorker | hur |
| 14:32.13 | OluapWorker | There's a reason Clotho prefers to make Nyakik go Aether instead of just doing it herself |
| 14:32.44 | Hachiman | Hachi - ur tall i like dat but ur also blak |
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| 14:33.17 | Imperios | Carlini - ;-; |
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| 14:34.52 | Hachiman | I can imagine Aether Clotho would be doing the whole Finger of Death thing from all of her fingers |
| 14:35.41 | Imperios | Palpavera |
| 14:37.02 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1416299806923.jpg Might interest you |
| 14:39.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: Looks c̷̺̿ÍÌ¥Í̱̱̮ÍoÍÍÌÍ̲̱oÍÌÍÍÍÍ ÍÍÌ̦̺̥Í
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| 15:04.03 | HachiDroid | Have to look after puppy again ngh |
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| 15:11.45 | HachiDroid | Hai |
| 15:12.04 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 15:15.16 | OluapWorker | Hello |
| 15:19.42 | Imperios | iH |
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| 15:56.50 | Vincent20100 | Impy -_- |
| 15:56.51 | Vincent20100 | :) |
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| 16:11.45 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 16:23.13 | drom | Yeah. Sums up pretty much about me: http://imgur.com/gallery/VNQ4i |
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| 16:28.12 | drom | TekDroid: "Using your roommates or friend's Netflix account to watch movies is actually a federal crime." |
| 16:28.39 | TekDroid | Interesting. I don't even have Netflix though. XD |
| 16:34.46 | drom | TekDroid: Moar imgur shenanigans. http://i.imgur.com/IyomjBT.png |
| 16:35.13 | TekDroid | is on mobile data right now |
| 16:35.39 | drom | Which G is that? |
| 16:38.26 | TekDroid | 4G, but having already reached my "Data usage warning" notification for the month. |
| 16:39.12 | TekDroid | Meh, still looked anyway. XD Did ubisoft really try that? O.O |
| 16:45.35 | drom | Yeah: https://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8&q=ubisoft%20blame%20amd |
| 16:52.22 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 16:52.22 | infobot | [test] not funny |
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| 17:50.14 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 17:50.40 | Hachiman | spi |
| 17:51.13 | Xho | me |
| 17:51.32 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Red_Harmony chek dis |
| 17:54.22 | Xho | "Your Count is a weak, miserable fool, 'auntie'. I serve a much better master." |
| 17:54.25 | Xho | aktuly pelagrios |
| 17:55.34 | Xho | "The Incubus roared again, loud enough to blow Dragostea's hair away as his skin turned into flames which burned on her grasp, reducing the demon's body to cinders, with the single exception of his skeleton which crumbled down into the floor. His charred skull received similar treatment as she lowered her arms and took a step forward," |
| 17:55.38 | Xho | Incubus - aktuly shiarchon lel |
| 17:55.56 | OluapWorker | In that case all vampires are aktuly shiarchon |
| 17:56.05 | Xho | Shiarchon - we have fangs shit works |
| 17:57.06 | Xho | Well all of their teeth are fanged so it's not exactly vampiric hur |
| 17:59.57 | Xho | "Captain:Otravaena" |
| 18:00.02 | Xho | Akharav - oh ffs |
| 18:00.12 | OluapWorker | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141118021817/spore/images/2/2e/Clothovera_Aether_State.png and dis |
| 18:00.26 | Xho | Kinmo - geezush calm down |
| 18:00.56 | OluapWorker | Clotho makes Nyakik go Aether instead of herself because she'd turn into that |
| 18:01.06 | Xho | rite |
| 18:01.08 | OluapWorker | And that's not a friendly cute witch girl |
| 18:01.26 | Xho | I guess I should add Kinmo's Aether State for the sake of completion |
| 18:01.38 | Xho | On the Aether Emerald page that is |
| 18:01.55 | OluapWorker | Yes you should |
| 18:02.05 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10509728_10153428853470476_7847759615665096000_n.png?oh=e57b64e6cfbf1a283e77bb453f6cc7c5&oe=5510F010&__gda__=1427529285_b093409804c6756d3d11106e2db61be5 |
| 18:03.23 | drom | ign dun goofed: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2mmb7h/ign_proven_to_use_lower_settings_on_pc_when_doing/ |
| 18:03.25 | OluapWorker | olol |
| 18:04.00 | Xho | dum |
| 18:07.01 | drom | Atleast it wasn't intentionally, according to the IGN guy Dan Stapleton. |
| 18:07.07 | drom | At last* |
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| 18:09.34 | Imperios | Can you tell me when Wormy, Cyr or Monet appears? |
| 18:09.37 | Imperios | *comes in |
| 18:10.24 | OluapWorker | neva |
| 18:10.55 | Hachiman | Yeah sure |
| 18:13.48 | drom | Sure. |
| 18:19.39 | drom | Oh boy. http://ufopaedia.org/index.php?title=Long_War |
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| 18:22.34 | Xho | OluapWorker: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141118182145/spore/images/7/72/KinmoAetherState.png |
| 18:23.25 | OluapWorker | teeny burd |
| 18:23.44 | OluapWorker | Looks good |
| 18:24.35 | Xho | So in other words that's Kinmorunddraver's actual appearance |
| 18:24.56 | Xho | As some kind of demigod celestial spirit burd |
| 18:25.18 | TekDroid | Wormy_: Imperios was looking for you |
| 18:25.26 | Wormy_ | oh why? |
| 18:26.05 | drom | Ah, our beloved ninja |
| 18:26.06 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10386381_1105900806106038_4180834630038371264_n.jpg?oh=4311093889c677b62c82a3993d7d96a9&oe=55158D2A |
| 18:27.08 | Hachiman | drom: Does Long War require the XCOM DLC to be able to augment the game? |
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| 18:27.36 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Wormy_ is here |
| 18:27.54 | drom | "You must have a legitimate PC, Mac, or Linux version of XCOM and the Enemy Within DLC to play this mod. This mod is for games with the March 10, 2014, patch, what we're calling Enemy Within Patch 3. The game version is still listed as 401776." |
| 18:28.00 | drom | So no pirate. |
| 18:29.40 | Hachiman | fuk |
| 18:30.03 | Wormy_ | Impy: You wanted me? |
| 18:31.20 | drom | simultaneously shakes the living out Imperios and his sockpuppet ImpyDroid * |
| 18:32.34 | Imperios | Oh yeah |
| 18:32.37 | Imperios | Gimme a sec |
| 18:32.55 | Imperios | Wormy_: What Star Wars products do you think are suitable for 5 year old kids? |
| 18:33.11 | Imperios | My sis seems to like Star Wars but I do not want to scare or traumatise her |
| 18:33.41 | Hachiman | Get the scorched-to-near-death Anakin Skywalker model |
| 18:33.52 | drom | This Long War mod seems to be a C# (cause .NET) language application. |
| 18:34.14 | Imperios | Hachiman: Near death |
| 18:34.16 | Imperios | like ur dik |
| 18:34.24 | Hachiman | fug |
| 18:34.58 | Xho | How about Uncle Lars and Aunt Beru after the Stormtroopers attacked their home |
| 18:35.20 | Xho | http://propfreaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/uncle-owen-aunt-beru-charred-remains-action-figures.jpg There we go |
| 18:35.32 | Hachiman | Ohgod |
| 18:35.58 | drom | Imperios: Like dis: http://i.imgur.com/EoBo3Ug.png |
| 18:36.45 | Imperios | Xho: 3spooky5me |
| 18:41.07 | drom | Smart move, white trash. Smart move: http://imgur.com/gallery/LZwdc |
| 18:43.12 | Xho | "I wish I knew how to do stuff" |
| 18:44.04 | Wormy_ | Imperios: I remember these Hasbro potato men Star Wars toys, although if she is five the parts by not be suitable |
| 18:54.40 | Imperios | drom: Seems the KKK are afraid of being... |
| 18:54.40 | Imperios | Denigrated. |
| 18:55.20 | drom | olol |
| 19:01.17 | Xho | Can we just stop and look that the woman that's going to marry Charles Manson is probably twice as crazy as he is |
| 19:12.21 | Wormy_ | So.. My dog has been viciously attacked again and chased all the way home |
| 19:12.56 | Wormy_ | Why can't people be more fucking responsible and use muzzles and/or keep it on a lead |
| 19:15.51 | Wormy_ | Uses Google Chrome and re-open closed tabs http://i.imgur.com/EoBo3Ug.png |
| 19:15.56 | Wormy_ | *use |
| 19:16.27 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 19:22.19 | TekDroid | Wormy: I know what you mean with the dogs. Our neighbour had practically raised theor dog to be violent. |
| 19:23.18 | TekDroid | Then one day in my childhood it got lose and cornered me and my sibling. |
| 19:24.06 | TekDroid | (Luckily that corner included the front door. :/ ) |
| 19:24.50 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.51 | TekDroid | Alright, gtg for a calculus test. |
| 19:25.01 | TekDroid | Oh my. |
| 19:25.04 | Wormy_ | Its only a small whippet |
| 19:25.28 | TekDroid | That's terrible |
| 19:25.41 | Wormy_ | My other dog is much tougher but never seems to get attacked. They seem to pick on the weaker nervous one |
| 19:26.01 | TekDroid | Not surprising frankly. |
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| 19:45.07 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 19:51.22 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 19:56.30 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:24.54 | TekAway | I'm an idiot. >.< I hate integration by parts now |
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| 20:28.36 | drom | best internet ever |
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| 20:39.57 | drom | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mmuQteX1qA |
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| 21:15.13 | Xho | Well |
| 21:15.18 | Xho | I like Pantheon that's for sure |
| 21:17.39 | Hachiman | Pantheon? |
| 21:19.10 | Xho | Basically |
| 21:19.13 | Xho | Big Fucking Spartan |
| 21:19.21 | Hachiman | Oh right as in LoLL |
| 21:19.25 | Hachiman | LoL* |
| 21:19.25 | Xho | yah |
| 21:19.40 | Hachiman | Tank? |
| 21:20.30 | Xho | Assassin/Fighter |
| 21:20.44 | Xho | Just turns up outta nowhere and murders everything |
| 21:20.48 | Xho | As I have just found |
| 21:21.54 | Hachiman | hur |
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| 21:30.31 | Monet | Hi |
| 21:31.23 | Hachiman | Monet: ImpyDroid wanted to speak to you |
| 21:31.27 | Hachiman | Well fuck |
| 21:31.58 | Monet | Right |
| 21:33.00 | Hachiman | He probably wanted to talk to you about Star Wars or something |
| 21:33.10 | Hachiman | He was mentioning it earlier |
| 21:34.51 | Monet | I'll ask when he comes back |
| 21:51.52 | drom | I'm really yearning to come back to my Wacom tablet and get into drawing again. |
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| 21:52.04 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 21:57.00 | drom | Watching supernatural movies, like the Wanted. Makes me wonder how far can one get supernatural in Fictionverse. |
| 21:57.59 | Hachiman | We have demonic planes, Essence gods, ghosts, superpowers, etc |
| 21:58.09 | Hachiman | This is literally what the old Fictionverse was about |
| 21:59.30 | drom | I mean innocently, not the type of half-gods or Marvel-like. |
| 22:00.05 | Monet | I'd say the only thing we haven't done is clandestine government projects to create supernatural warriors other than psychic soldier projects. |
| 22:00.11 | Monet | Unless its happened and I didn't notice |
| 22:10.20 | Xho | Well the Agents are scheduled to begin using essence-pumped Agents |
| 22:10.32 | Xho | Then again since it's government approved it's not clandestine really |
| 22:11.00 | Xho | Kicath aren't exactly clandestine either |
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| 22:11.14 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 22:11.22 | Monet | Xho: I suppose that counts |
| 22:11.25 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:11.47 | drom | Hi |
| 22:11.56 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 22:12.22 | Monet | I was using "clandestine" because in the real world "government" and "augmentation" and "experiment" tend to cause media shitstorms when put together. |
| 22:12.36 | Monet | And its a common thing in cyberpunk |
| 22:12.52 | drom | Well. Atleast there ARE different ways to become supernatural. This includes psychics |
| 22:14.08 | drom | Technology is a flourishing, but worn, trope. |
| 22:14.34 | Wormy_ | Hachiman: The Barclays adverts appealing to young adults to speak confidently to employers makes me feel sad for our generation |
| 22:14.50 | Hachiman | Oh yes technology is definitely a worn and tired trope. In a fiction universe built around science fiction. |
| 22:14.57 | Monet | Most fictionverse nations have some sort of psychic thing going on. Then again I think its been indicated that psychics are well-understood. |
| 22:15.01 | Wormy_ | Obvious things like "They are not your mates" |
| 22:15.22 | Hachiman | Wormy_: Aye, it's fucking pitiful |
| 22:15.40 | drom | I dumped psychics in the favor of gaining potential resistance against it. |
| 22:15.42 | Monet | I can picture thousands of scientific journals published on ther nature of psychokinetics. |
| 22:15.48 | Xho | Kicathian media must be really censored |
| 22:15.55 | Wormy_ | The said advert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9W8A18dOLU |
| 22:16.02 | Xho | Imagine waking up everyday to "Agent Nu apprehended in makeshift terrorism plot" |
| 22:17.23 | Hachiman | Wormy_: To be fair most of the terms (all) make me fucking furious when spoken aloud |
| 22:17.29 | Monet | I've tried to make psychokinetics less like magic by indicating that, in the imperium at least, its a credible (or semi-credible) scientific field. |
| 22:17.34 | Hachiman | Why do people feel the need to talk like a text message |
| 22:18.10 | Wormy_ | Yes, I detest it spoken |
| 22:18.38 | Monet | I iamgine in the fictionverse you could probably pursue a PhD in psychokinetic theory. |
| 22:19.02 | Wormy_ | I think Ghelae should head the research for psychokinetics |
| 22:19.28 | drom | I honestly find "magic" an extremely long-lived trope. And that's a negative factor in my view. |
| 22:20.07 | Ghelae | As I've said many times before, the only reason I'm doing a degree in Natural Sciences is because there isn't any decent course in the unnatural ones. |
| 22:21.11 | Wormy_ | Perhaps do a masters in it, you might find it hard to convince any grants or lecturers though lol |
| 22:21.39 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 22:21.39 | infobot | it has been said that test is not funny |
| 22:21.58 | drom | But the positive thing with it, one can use it as an 'excuse' (or a better term of your preference) to create something which is too 'exotic' for the present technology or science to explain, a 'crash-course' info. |
| 22:23.07 | Wormy_ | To be fair, there are different concepts of magic. I don't think science fiction really explores it properly, and nor perhaps many popular fantasies |
| 22:23.19 | drom | I mean. Anything that is too advancded or unfamiliar for either our or said fiction-universe's in-focus physics and science level. Which renders it as a secret or simply unexplainable. |
| 22:23.56 | Monet | Clarke had a good idea of what magic is imo. |
| 22:24.07 | Monet | Its a buzzword for that which cannot be explained |
| 22:24.08 | drom | "Magic" has been used as a term for something that we haven't yet explored. |
| 22:24.14 | Wormy_ | Sword and Sorcery magic doesn't seem to work well in science fiction. Closest approximate would be psyhic fields like the Force |
| 22:24.35 | drom | How would a bunch of medieval guys treat a present you if time-travel was possible? |
| 22:24.55 | Ghelae | "Magic" as a synonym for "supernatural", which is how it's commonly used, generally means that which is beyond our current understanding, yes. |
| 22:24.58 | Wormy_ | They would probably burn me for bing a witch |
| 22:24.58 | drom | The short answer is: They will treat you as a witch. Why? Magic. |
| 22:25.27 | Wormy_ | That is if they could over power me |
| 22:25.29 | Hachiman | The "magic is technology" trope is also pretty worn to me and it makes me feel like certain people just can't deal with the fact that metaphysical concepts and pseudophysics exist |
| 22:25.40 | Wormy_ | Those poor, skinny peasants |
| 22:25.51 | drom | Hue. Burn them. |
| 22:25.57 | Ghelae | Although traditionally, magic was just a particular thing you could do, which just so happens to have turned out to go against our scientific discoveries of what is possible, |
| 22:26.01 | Ghelae | .* |
| 22:26.35 | Hachiman | Not saying I believe in pseudophysics or anything of the like in reality but for a fictional collaberative universe it should be entirely applicable |
| 22:26.54 | drom | Science-fiction in general. |
| 22:27.29 | drom | Science-fiction is old. But it's a very, very - VERY - huge collection of the humanity's vision on the future. |
| 22:27.35 | Ghelae | So magic as typically appears in, SporeWiki fiction, which is generally like superpowers, is certainly supernatural, but not magic in the old-fashioned sense of drawing sigils and the ground, chanting magic words and performing a ritual to bind a spirit to your servitude or such things. |
| 22:27.49 | drom | Which is what I find so interesting. |
| 22:27.54 | Wormy_ | I have rarely seen a fiction which explores magic based on metaphysical mental properties like the collective unconscious or synchronicity, or astral magic |
| 22:28.06 | Monet | drom: ANd such a vision understandably often includes the idea we've gone past the stage of sorcerors, demons and withces being literal. |
| 22:28.51 | Wormy_ | A lot seems to be based on 16th/17rh century Western Alchemy |
| 22:29.09 | Wormy_ | Like High Fantasy |
| 22:29.21 | drom | Yeah. But I find it a bit hard to imagine similar -unliterate- utopia. |
| 22:29.44 | drom | I mean. Our present day as viewed from approx 100 years later in. |
| 22:30.02 | drom | Like how we view our medieval times from present day. |
| 22:30.27 | Monet | Though I wonder if the genre of "science fantasy" is the romantic side of scoemce fiction. |
| 22:31.02 | Monet | Generally when an idea for the future comes about, it is almost inevitable that at least oen perso nwill have a vision based o nthe past |
| 22:31.03 | drom | Fuck yeah, romanticism. |
| 22:32.57 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Astartes Totally original |
| 22:33.01 | Monet | Its' imagination verses logic, really. |
| 22:33.30 | drom | I'll make my own conclusion of the science-fiction genre: present-day romanticism |
| 22:34.12 | Hachiman | Some of the fiction here fucking disgusts me honestly |
| 22:34.34 | Wormy_ | You might not take my view, but Orion's Arm has a lot of references to mystic schools, almost supernaturally clever AI's, technoshamanism and even metaphysical articles. Anders Sanberg was one of the founders and his website has links to chaos magic and the like. |
| 22:35.03 | Wormy_ | But it doesn't push past the redline o remain hard SF |
| 22:35.28 | drom | Sounds almost like hard-core romanticism combined with fantasy. |
| 22:36.16 | Wormy_ | Kabbalah features heavikly |
| 22:36.38 | Hachiman | It is almost like Patriot868 thought nobody ever heard of the Space Marines from WH40K |
| 22:37.30 | Wormy_ | http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45f7672e2268a |
| 22:37.47 | drom | Everytime whenever someone misspells a word. I desperately try to find and make a pun/joke out of it. |
| 22:37.49 | Monet | Hachiman: So? Let him have his fun. |
| 22:38.05 | Monet | If it bothers you that much, point it out but be civil, be polite. |
| 22:38.05 | Wormy_ | I bet you have fun with my posts then drom. |
| 22:38.24 | Hachiman | Okay then how about I just copy the Draconid Imperium and not even bother to rehash it |
| 22:38.38 | drom | Wormy_: "Only myself will get my jokes~" |
| 22:38.48 | Hachiman | Because it's "fun" to plagiarize somebody else's creative properties apparently |
| 22:38.48 | drom | -Me |
| 22:39.28 | Monet | Hachiman: I wouldn't mind if he did a little renaming |
| 22:39.49 | Hachiman | I mind entirely |
| 22:39.58 | Hachiman | There is absolutely zero creative input |
| 22:40.01 | Hachiman | Of their own |
| 22:40.32 | Monet | Napoleon's Old Guard, the Byzantine Varagians and the Ottoman Jannissary guard are essentialyl rehashed version od the Praetorian GUard. |
| 22:40.48 | Ghelae | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
| 22:40.50 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 22:40.53 | Hachiman | I hope that theft doesn't become a trend here because that would truly kill our wiki |
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| 22:42.01 | Hachiman | I do not even know how anyone can support plagiarism |
| 22:42.29 | Monet | Does seem a little odd when the largely-agnostic (afaik) Hegemony are using terms here that come from Crusader orders. |
| 22:42.38 | Hachiman | Tropes, referencing and inspiration, that's all good, that's fine |
| 22:42.44 | drom | This point is more like: "LOOK A GUY HAS THE SAME NAME AS ME! LET'S GO AND GET HIM!" |
| 22:42.45 | Hachiman | Theft, no |
| 22:42.46 | Xho | None of our fictions are completely original though |
| 22:42.53 | Wormy_ | Direct copies are bad taste |
| 22:42.54 | Xho | Though massive ripoffs aren't exactly uh |
| 22:42.57 | Xho | Useful |
| 22:43.26 | Wormy_ | If the fic universe was filled with rip offs, it would not look very mature |
| 22:43.43 | Monet | Also I myself might point out that as far as fireteams go, 15 is a huge group. |
| 22:44.03 | Wormy_ | That being said, I have done direct crossovers for fangasming, so I'm not in a position to say lol |
| 22:44.08 | Monet | In Earth militaries the expected size of a fireteam is 4, five at a stretch |
| 22:44.44 | drom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.45 | Hachiman | I'm going to make a comment |
| 22:45.03 | Monet | Please keep it polite. |
| 22:45.13 | Hachiman | Underrated or not, plagiarism is not correct ethically or functionally under any sense |
| 22:45.31 | Monet | If you start shouting, he may get defensive |
| 22:45.51 | Hachiman | If he gets defensive even though he's wrong then he's an idiot |
| 22:45.57 | drom | Keep it polite. It ain't gonna help if you pull sarcasm in it. |
| 22:47.23 | drom | Sarcasm is the least constructive thing I know aside attacks and rambling. |
| 22:47.31 | Monet | I wouldnt' call it being stupid. This might sound pansy-like or obvious but humans rarely respond well to being shouted at. |
| 22:48.03 | Hachiman | That is why I am not going to be "shouty" or sarcastic |
| 22:48.08 | Hachiman | I am going to be as blunt as possible |
| 22:49.08 | Hachiman | And if he gets defensive over it then he seriously needs to re-evaluate his place here, he's already 'underrated' and if his fiction is founded on plagiarism then I can see why he's not very popular |
| 22:49.43 | drom | Well. At last sarcasm is a way to parodize an act to deliever a point. But in a rather unfriendly way. |
| 22:49.50 | Hachiman | It's people like Patriot and his pseudofiction that kill our wiki |
| 22:49.52 | Wormy_ | I usually try to sound blunt/straight to the point, polite but flawless (by try to correct errors or guess how they might talk back) and pretty stern (so that I'm not purasauded) |
| 22:50.39 | drom | I'm open to better examples. Most of the sarcasm I have encountered comes from someone's ass and angry ranters on forums. |
| 22:50.39 | Monet | Hachiman: Pointing fingers and making accusations won't hel panyone. |
| 22:51.00 | Hachiman | I am not making accusations |
| 22:51.08 | Hachiman | I am correct in saying that his "Astartes" fiction is plagiarism |
| 22:51.20 | Hachiman | And that it reflects badly on the rest of our collaberative fiction project |
| 22:52.22 | Wormy_ | I think anything even hinting Patriot's fiction is part of the cause of death for our wiki could be interpreted as an accusation |
| 22:53.25 | Hachiman | Well Patriot and the rest of the 'minor' users aren't contributing to the wiki's welfare and activity in a positive manner are they |
| 22:53.48 | drom | Because they are not in IRC |
| 22:53.56 | drom | And neither did we dare to make a contact with them. |
| 22:54.19 | Monet | I applaud Zilla, Eco and that lot for what they have done with Mirus. |
| 22:54.21 | Hachiman | It goes beyond the IRC drom |
| 22:54.28 | Monet | And yet they did it without the IRC |
| 22:54.41 | Xho | Guys |
| 22:54.42 | Wormy_ | They could be more intergrated with the rest of the community on IRC or not, yes. But I don't think they are obliged to do anything. It would be more wiki'ish to encourage them to be more constuctive. |
| 22:54.42 | Xho | Stahp |
| 22:54.53 | Hachiman | Zilla isn't one to be applauded personally |
| 22:55.01 | Hachiman | Look at his track record |
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| 22:55.41 | drom | It's still their - and OUR - responiblity to create a working intergration and feedback system. Even with the desolate parts. |
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| 22:55.52 | Monet | Hachi I'm not going down that road. |
| 22:56.14 | Hachiman | Monet I do not see you actually applauding Zilla or Eco or collaberating with them |
| 22:56.24 | DrodoEmpire | sighs |
| 22:56.29 | DrodoEmpire | What's happening? |
| 22:56.37 | drom | Some edgy dicussion. |
| 22:56.45 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:56.45 | Monet | Hachiman: I said I'm not going down that road. |
| 22:56.47 | DrodoEmpire | But honestly |
| 22:56.51 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Astartes Plagiarism |
| 22:56.52 | Wormy_ | I second drom. Civility is key in this situation. Hachi is fine to voice his concerns to these users if done in a constructive way |
| 22:57.08 | Xho | I have not a clue what's going on hur |
| 22:57.18 | Wormy_ | And if they respond unconstructively, then it should get our attention as an issue |
| 22:57.28 | drom | Xho: It's probably safe not to. |
| 22:57.32 | Xho | rite |
| 22:57.54 | Wormy_ | But before that don't make a mountain out of a molehill, ad that applies for all of us. |
| 22:58.00 | Wormy_ | Lets leave it at that |
| 22:58.21 | DrodoEmpire | So its concerns about lack of originality/plagiarism? |
| 22:58.33 | DrodoEmpire | In that case then yeah, remind them or point out this stuff but keep it civil |
| 22:58.38 | Hachiman | A lack of quality control |
| 22:58.43 | DrodoEmpire | Only through being constructive will they actually listen. |
| 22:59.16 | DrodoEmpire | "Quality control" is an odd term to use in a universe that's free to everyone. :P If you don't like the quality of their fiction, don't bother with them |
| 22:59.23 | Hachiman | It reflects badly on the reputation of the collaberative fiction project |
| 22:59.25 | DrodoEmpire | But I agree some blatant plagiarism is goi9ng on |
| 22:59.28 | DrodoEmpire | *going |
| 22:59.29 | drom | If done in an unconstructive way. I'll return the favor to balantly rub a finger in your face. Because it creates two "civilizations". |
| 22:59.58 | Hachiman | drom look at yourself and try to justify how in any way you are being constructive other than making snide, snarky comments |
| 23:00.13 | drom | Cause it's not getting anywhere. |
| 23:00.38 | Monet | [22:55] <drom> It's still their - and OUR - responiblity to create a working intergration and feedback system. Even with the desolate parts. >> this is hardly unconstructive. |
| 23:00.56 | DrodoEmpire | hachi: I suppose you're right and I'm not against giving advice; but it shouldn't go too far |
| 23:01.01 | Monet | And this is something AB, GD12, Cyrannian and I have bee ntrying to do. |
| 23:01.24 | drom | Shoutout to Wormy too. |
| 23:01.31 | Hachiman | I do not see you collaberating with Patriot or Zilla or Eco Monet |
| 23:01.34 | Hachiman | Only GD12 |
| 23:01.59 | Monet | Hachiman: That's because I haven't posted anything yet |
| 23:01.59 | drom | Because we consist more than one unitied community. |
| 23:02.07 | DrodoEmpire | Monet, Hachi, please don't make this an argument. :L |
| 23:02.18 | Monet | Drodoempire: I'm rtying not to |
| 23:02.54 | DrodoEmpire | Good |
| 23:03.29 | DrodoEmpire | But I'm just going to say that for now I agree with Hachi; He has a point that its name is near-plagiarism and it wouldn't hurt to have a renaming |
| 23:04.13 | Monet | I agree with that |
| 23:04.26 | Monet | But this could become a sensetive issue |
| 23:04.27 | DrodoEmpire | It *does* reflect badly; But at the same time he should have the right to "do his own thing"; we should never go so far as to coerce people or order people to rewrite things, not saying that we would |
| 23:04.34 | drom | I have too to agree with that point. But the method of delievery matters. |
| 23:04.57 | DrodoEmpire | And you're right it could but its better that we confront sensitive issues than to let them grow into terrible divisions |
| 23:05.01 | drom | The constructive delivery is the only way to solve it. |
| 23:05.01 | DrodoEmpire | I also agree there |
| 23:05.04 | Hachiman | Well once I deliver you are free to comment on it |
| 23:05.07 | DrodoEmpire | Definitely drom |
| 23:05.22 | DrodoEmpire | hachi, please do say something but try and keep it classy |
| 23:05.41 | drom | If you make an unconstructive delivery: You are actually digging your community's grave. |
| 23:06.26 | Hachiman | I would still retain the higher ground of morals for not being a plagiarist |
| 23:06.48 | DrodoEmpire | But the point is that he won't listen to you if you say it in the harshest terms humanly possible\ |
| 23:07.02 | DrodoEmpire | Plus people may read your comments and think that we're all hostile |
| 23:07.16 | Wormy_ | One mistake I did think you made though Hachi, which could become unconstructive, was make that accusation on the public log. Think what you will, but it could cause a future shitstorm if they read the logs and start feeling threataned by you, and then misread us |
| 23:07.19 | DrodoEmpire | Just from one comment that may have been worded poorly |
| 23:07.41 | DrodoEmpire | In other words, say something by all means but say so in an open maner |
| 23:07.43 | DrodoEmpire | *manner |
| 23:07.49 | Monet | There has alreaady been some concern that we are a hostile and unfriendly community to outsiders |
| 23:07.57 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:07.59 | drom | Aye |
| 23:08.17 | Hachiman | I am not going to withold what I say just because somebody can read it and use it for later reference |
| 23:08.29 | Hachiman | I should not have to restrict my comments and opinions |
| 23:08.36 | DrodoEmpire | We're not asking you to withhold anything; We're asking you to be civil |
| 23:08.49 | DrodoEmpire | You do though because you are an older user people look up to |
| 23:08.56 | Monet | There is right of free speech, and the appropriateness of it. |
| 23:08.59 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 23:09.02 | drom | If this atmosphere existed and lasted before I joined. Be ----ing happy that it wasn't noticeable by since then. |
| 23:09.21 | Hachiman | I am going to be blunt and straightforward and I am not going to cater what I have to say with sugar, but I will attempt to retain a constructive hand in my delivery and emphasize on what can be done better to improve quality |
| 23:09.31 | DrodoEmpire | And, again, calling him out and being "blunt" about it will not make him listen; It will just offend him and nothing will be gained |
| 23:09.36 | Wormy_ | You are not obliged too, no. But if you consider constructiveness on the wiki a moral to live by and tell others, then you must take it to heart on the wiki and IRC |
| 23:09.44 | DrodoEmpire | Being firm is fine, yes |
| 23:09.48 | DrodoEmpire | But don't be hostile |
| 23:10.51 | Wormy_ | I've noticed all sorts pof silly loops between users or groups of users who feel each other to be unreasonably hostile, in their perception |
| 23:11.16 | Wormy_ | And this sort of thing can be avoidable |
| 23:11.41 | Wormy_ | And it is fair on other users not so involved by the issue. |
| 23:12.31 | Wormy_ | Not seen that before |
| 23:13.52 | Wormy_ | I'm not asking you to sugar coat, you are right about criticising plagiarism and you should be straight forward, and making them more constructive should be done in a constructive manner |
| 23:14.55 | Wormy_ | Otherwise it solves nothing and just makes the enjoyment less for everyone on the wiki |
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| 23:15.20 | Wormy_ | Anyway I'm not directing this at you, but I think this should be the done thing in general |
| 23:19.19 | drom | Time to put this dicussion out of misery. |
| 23:19.25 | drom | I declare this topic: Dead. |
| 23:21.50 | Wormy_ | It was already |
| 23:24.12 | drom | You gotta treat topics as how you do with fresh cropses about to reanimate. Nobody likes necroing without a solid applyable reason. |
| 23:28.43 | drom | Urgh, what an irrelevant way to waste your valuerable sleeping night. |
| 23:31.41 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:Evolution_on_Clompagnow#Planets_in_a_red_dwarf.27s_goldilocks_zone_are_tidally_locked |
| 23:31.55 | Wormy_ | While it is likely many are, not all will be the case |
| 23:32.13 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I probably could have explored that avebue |
| 23:32.21 | Wormy_ | *avenue |
| 23:38.17 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:Astartes There done |
| 23:38.53 | Hachiman | Feel free to evaluate further or criticize me |
| 23:40.17 | DrodoEmpire | Its well-worded for sure |
| 23:40.51 | DrodoEmpire | Just reading the first paragraph I say its a very well-compiled statement; Firm but not hostile |
| 23:41.43 | Monet | Its rational yeah |
| 23:42.00 | Hachiman | A scare was had for nothing |
| 23:42.22 | Monet | I wonder if "gene-seed" is one of those words that emerged due to the loss of knowledge due to the Dark Age of technology. |
| 23:43.31 | Hachiman | Well consider that "replicae" is the Warhammer 40k equivalent of "clone" and yet "clone" is still used |
| 23:44.46 | Monet | Wel lconsider Promethium |
| 23:44.54 | Monet | In canon I believe they use it as fuel |
| 23:45.09 | Hachiman | They do yeah |
| 23:45.28 | Hachiman | Any combustible fuel |
| 23:45.56 | Monet | In the real world the closest Promethium comes to fuel is as the material used to generate energy in atopmic batteries |
| 23:46.02 | Monet | atomic* |
| 23:46.57 | Monet | Its a radioactive metal. |
| 23:47.22 | Monet | But I suppose the way the Imperium uses it the stuff we call patrol they named after the titan who gifted man with fire |
| 23:47.29 | Monet | petrol* |
| 23:48.51 | Monet | And the best place to find it is either the decay of another radioactive element (Europium-151) or, extract it from a Uranium mix. |
| 23:49.48 | Monet | I guess by the 31st millenium the legends of old lasted longer than scientific understanding heh. |
| 23:51.08 | Monet | As far as I can see ,the closest we have to a gene-seed is a phenotype or a genome template. |
| 23:51.35 | Monet | Somehow combined with stem cell clusters |
| 23:53.57 | DrodoEmpire | "I hate the guy more then Lotg." - Seems as though Spartian can't resist cheap jabs at Hachi even when he's trying to join the community again. Wow. :L |
| 23:55.10 | Hachiman | It makes me feel happy to know he cares about me that much |
| 23:55.20 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 23:55.26 | DrodoEmpire | *obsesses |
| 23:55.52 | Hachiman | I'm glad I actually mean something significant to somebody else |
