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| 00:07.38 | GD12 | dumternet |
| 00:09.04 | drom | And here is the shenanigans I told about teens mins ago. http://i.imgur.com/ezUyL50.png |
| 00:09.34 | drom | I took a screenshot because I smacked it together on an ultra-shitty computer. |
| 00:09.50 | drom | And it literaly took 30min to save it |
| 00:10.26 | DrodoEmpire | Jeebus |
| 00:11.32 | drom | The bad news though, is. Whenever I try to render it. It freaks out and becomes a fully white creation. |
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| 00:43.31 | DrodoEUIV | Working on the mod |
| 00:43.55 | TekDroid | Cool |
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| 00:58.01 | Wormy_ | Finally learned how to get a Digital Elevation Model into GIS, then convert over to Maya |
| 00:58.16 | Wormy_ | It has been an extremely fustrating weekend of blind alleys |
| 00:58.34 | Wormy_ | *frustrating |
| 01:11.41 | Monet | Goodnight |
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| 02:05.40 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 02:05.40 | infobot | it has been said that test is not funny |
| 02:21.43 | DrodoEUIV | Ugh, now its crashing constantly. >.< |
| 02:21.49 | Tek0516 | Odere |
| 02:22.07 | DrodoEUIV | It crashes at "processing flags", but that makes no sense; I have valid flags for all of the nations |
| 02:22.50 | Tek0516 | Odd |
| 02:23.02 | Tek0516 | Check the error logs? |
| 02:23.02 | DrodoEUIV | I'm checking for little mistakes now |
| 02:25.04 | DrodoEUIV | Can't find it |
| 02:25.11 | DrodoEUIV | How do you access the error logs? |
| 02:25.50 | Tek0516 | Should be in the folder that contains the mods folder. |
| 02:28.12 | DrodoEUIV | Alright; I'll check |
| 02:28.46 | DrodoEUIV | Nothing. :/ |
| 02:29.15 | DrodoEUIV | I checked the entire EUIV directory for "crash", "error" and "log" keywords and nothing related showed up |
| 02:29.57 | Tek0516 | The EUIV folder in my documents? |
| 02:30.32 | DrodoEUIV | No; program files |
| 02:30.38 | DrodoEUIV | I'll check that one |
| 02:30.51 | Tek0516 | That's where you're supposed to put the mods... |
| 02:31.58 | Tek0516 | Anyway, check its logs folder. |
| 02:32.09 | DrodoEUIV | Alright, found it |
| 02:32.17 | DrodoEUIV | "error.log" |
| 02:32.53 | DrodoEUIV | Restarting the game again to see if anything new shows up |
| 02:33.05 | Tek0516 | Check setup_error too |
| 02:34.15 | DrodoEUIV | Empty |
| 02:34.51 | DrodoEUIV | Nothing new in either; So I guess I'll have to interpret what's there |
| 02:35.04 | DrodoEUIV | It mentions an "unexpected token" at "mil_tech". |
| 02:35.27 | DrodoEUIV | I suppose now that I think about it I didn't put in the loron units into the tech tree, but would that really be the issue? |
| 02:35.27 | DrodoEUIV | :P |
| 02:35.33 | DrodoEUIV | Wouldn't hurt to check |
| 02:42.08 | DrodoEUIV | Its saying something's wrong with the technologies.txt file |
| 02:42.14 | DrodoEUIV | I'll compare base game to mine |
| 02:44.39 | DrodoEUIV | ... |
| 02:44.50 | DrodoEUIV | I was missing a single fucking bracket. ._. |
| 02:47.19 | Tek0516 | XD |
| 02:52.13 | Tek0516 | I know the feeling though |
| 02:53.27 | Tek0516 | A couple weeks ago I spent half an hour trying to find a bug in my codd before I realized the error was a single letter. |
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| 02:57.12 | GD12 | Hello |
| 03:04.24 | DrodoEUIV | Tek: Ouch |
| 03:04.25 | DrodoEUIV | Hey |
| 03:04.33 | DrodoEUIV | Working on the SporeWiki mod |
| 03:05.03 | DrodoEUIV | I *really* messed up the localiation for the Loron; So I'm trying to clean it all up and make the names of stuff consistent |
| 03:14.09 | DrodoEmpire | That localization issue is a problem for tomorrow. :L |
| 03:30.10 | Tek0516 | I found out why my health sucked so badly in Beyond Earth. XD |
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| 03:41.05 | Tek0516 | hey GD |
| 03:48.02 | Tom|Away | Lordie, I got highlighted so many times by people not talking to me |
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| 04:54.07 | Vincent20100 | HEy |
| 04:55.46 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 05:00.20 | Tek0516 | -.- Whenever Beyond Earth glitches up I have to log off. |
| 05:01.20 | Vincent20100 | What civ do you prefer? |
| 05:01.57 | Tek0516 | Still Franco-Iberia |
| 05:02.14 | Vincent20100 | Really? o.O |
| 05:02.25 | Tek0516 | Yeah? |
| 05:02.43 | Vincent20100 | Well, their bonus isn't amazing |
| 05:03.39 | Tek0516 | I didn't really care too much. Free techs are useful for grabbing something really advanced though. :P |
| 05:03.43 | Vincent20100 | Compared to lets say Brazil |
| 05:04.04 | Vincent20100 | Or USSR :p |
| 05:04.53 | Tek0516 | I can't even remember what the slavic one is. |
| 05:05.31 | Vincent20100 | Free tech when launching first satellite |
| 05:05.41 | Vincent20100 | And satellites tay in orbit longer |
| 05:06.32 | Tek0516 | Ah. |
| 05:07.58 | Vincent20100 | It allow to get a free tech fast and rather take Pioneering as the spaceship's bonus |
| 05:09.58 | Vincent20100 | And they got best cities' name. ^_^ |
| 05:29.04 | Vincent20100 | Franco-Iberia is free tech every certain number of virtu, right? |
| 05:29.23 | Tek0516 | Yeah |
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| 05:52.40 | Tek0516 | ~TEST |
| 05:52.40 | infobot | methinks test is not funny |
| 05:52.43 | Tek0516 | Whoops |
| 06:24.52 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 06:24.52 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny |
| 06:25.34 | Tek0516 | Really dead tonight |
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| 06:35.47 | ImpyDroid | Hello |
| 07:22.54 | Liquid_Ink | My little sister just said "you know" three times in saying one thing. |
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| 09:53.01 | IPanda | Hi all |
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| 09:53.38 | IPanda | Hi u |
| 09:55.13 | OluapWorker | Hello |
| 10:11.43 | IPanda | So, how's things? |
| 10:15.10 | OluapWorker | Been very busy lately, college makes me want to cry |
| 10:15.29 | IPanda | I know those feels |
| 10:24.39 | IPanda | Watching a documentary about my people |
| 10:26.53 | OluapWorker | You of all people should know about your people |
| 10:27.42 | IPanda | I do, I'm watching to see how much they get wrong |
| 10:29.18 | IPanda | That, s |
| 10:29.37 | IPanda | That, and Goodfellas is on after |
| 10:35.07 | ImpyDroid2 | Hi |
| 10:35.26 | ImpyDroid2 | IPanda: You mean pandas? |
| 10:35.30 | ImpyDroid2 | Or Australians |
| 10:35.52 | IPanda | Pandas |
| 10:36.34 | IPanda | Nobody would make a documentary about Australians |
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| 10:43.31 | OluapWorker | I have to admit, I thought you meant a documentary about australians |
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| 12:18.21 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:22.36 | OluapWorker | ~cuddle Hachiman |
| 12:22.37 | infobot | ACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy |
| 12:22.51 | Hachiman | <3 |
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| 13:13.12 | TekDroid | https://m.imgur.com/gallery/VlLqJ |
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| 14:49.37 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 15:02.02 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 15:04.59 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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| 15:42.01 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
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| 16:12.01 | drom | waz |
| 16:12.19 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
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| 16:29.27 | OfficerJackal | Hey, I'm having trouble getting STO to start. I installed it yesterday, and it ran fine. However, I load it up today and it doesn't start, it just hangs at the "Star Trek Online:Delta Rising" title screen with "Loading..." on the bottom. |
| 16:33.40 | OfficerJackal | Hello? |
| 16:35.19 | Hachiman | It's been quiet all day |
| 16:37.56 | OfficerJackal | Oh. :( Well, do you have STO/able to help me? |
| 16:38.09 | OfficerJackal | Because no matter what I do it doesn't start. |
| 16:40.11 | Hachiman | Hmm |
| 16:40.17 | Hachiman | Not quite sure, I haven't played STO in a while |
| 16:40.25 | Hachiman | Sorry, perhaps you should take this to the STO forums? |
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| 16:41.33 | drom | Well. There's other STO players here. |
| 16:41.52 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 16:42.04 | drom | Wait for Cyrannian, Wormy or Randomness. They can help you. |
| 16:42.10 | drom | I guess Monet can also help with you. |
| 16:42.12 | OfficerJackal | Alright. |
| 16:42.21 | Xho | u |
| 16:47.17 | drom | Oh. It's my name-day today. |
| 16:47.43 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: Also, are you going to do anything with the Union of Afghanistan, the fiction I gave to you? Because if not, I reccomend talking to Wormy about retconning them so they become part of India or something. |
| 16:47.56 | Hachiman | Yeah I'm unlikely to |
| 16:48.38 | Xho | all your india are belong to spu |
| 16:49.22 | OluapWorker | u get nothing |
| 16:50.29 | Xho | nao |
| 16:56.58 | drom | this cheered me from a really tense monday. http://i.imgur.com/ebEZJ54.png |
| 16:58.40 | drom | chocolate cake made on black bean is damn good, no joke |
| 16:58.44 | drom | beans* |
| 16:59.38 | TekDroid | Space Engine: *warps inside event horizon of black hole* -> *almost gives self RL heart attack* |
| 17:00.26 | Xho | EU in a nutshell |
| 17:01.43 | TekDroid | They have spatial distortion for these black holes. It's so... Xhodocto-esque. XD |
| 17:05.11 | Vincent20100 | OfficerJackal: Afghanistan could be split between India and Russia :) |
| 17:05.44 | OfficerJackal | Vincent20100: That is true, Afghanistan could be re-incorporated into Euraspact while Pakistan is given back to India. |
| 17:05.52 | OfficerJackal | *inb4 sectarian violence in india* |
| 17:06.12 | Vincent20100 | Mouhahahaha! |
| 17:06.18 | Vincent20100 | Wait wat? |
| 17:06.25 | OfficerJackal | Pakistan HATES India. |
| 17:06.37 | Vincent20100 | Pakistan "voluntarly" joinning India?! |
| 17:06.58 | OfficerJackal | That's the problem here, Pakistan would never voluntarily join India. |
| 17:07.04 | OfficerJackal | India would have to invade them. |
| 17:09.10 | drom | Well. |
| 17:09.19 | drom | That conflict is rather more religious. |
| 17:11.44 | Angrybirds | It would make more sense for Pakistan to join Euraspact, though it's possible that they could be forcefully incorporated into India with devastating consequences further down the line. |
| 17:12.31 | Vincent20100 | I like the idea of them joinning Euraspact |
| 17:12.38 | Vincent20100 | USSR stronk! ^.^ |
| 17:13.12 | Halopediaman | I don't know what we're talking about, but I like the idea of splitting nations. |
| 17:13.50 | Vincent20100 | By the way Tybusen, I still want Guantanamo back! |
| 17:14.04 | Vincent20100 | Muh, burger oppression |
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| 17:20.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 17:22.43 | Vincent20100 | Epic Rap Battle is out! |
| 17:23.30 | Angrybirds | Sorry I haven't been on and doing stuff on the wiki as much as I'd like. These past few weeks have been intense for me IRL. |
| 17:25.38 | Angrybirds | I have to go in a few minutes, but is there anything anyone needs to speak to me about? |
| 17:25.49 | OfficerJackal | Back! |
| 17:26.16 | OfficerJackal | Anyways, it would be alot less violent of just the whole of the Union of Afghanistan joined Euraspact. |
| 17:26.22 | OfficerJackal | if* |
| 17:29.02 | Xho | OluapWorker: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=339897029 |
| 17:29.22 | OluapWorker | Hudda |
| 17:29.29 | Xho | spus not pyros u dunec |
| 17:29.35 | Hachiman | "PepsiCo brands Doritos, Mountain Dew begins tests on nacho chip-flavoured soda" |
| 17:29.57 | OluapWorker | They're evolving |
| 17:34.34 | ImpyDroid | Nacho-flavoured soda |
| 17:34.40 | ImpyDroid | How would that taste |
| 17:34.51 | Ghelae | Like nachos. |
| 17:34.59 | Hachiman | Duh |
| 17:35.17 | Hachiman | It's perfect for neckbeard fertilization |
| 17:35.51 | Vincent20100 | Imagine a TF2 game with one team with only spies ^^ |
| 17:38.09 | Xho | Neckbeard Fertilisation |
| 17:38.14 | Xho | plz dont do dis |
| 17:42.17 | TekDroid | I just crashed a space shuttle into the even horizon of the block hole at the center of the galaxy. XD |
| 17:45.05 | Vincent20100 | Steve didn't save you? |
| 17:46.25 | TekDroid | Wrong galaxy I guess. XD |
| 17:55.06 | drom | Xho: Kicathian politics, eh? http://i.imgur.com/cxThNtd.png |
| 17:56.29 | Xho | Pretty much |
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| 18:00.00 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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| 18:05.44 | drom | Angrybirds: I have got the deal from GD12 that Naakji colonize in Mirus already in 2790. |
| 18:05.54 | drom | A fiction-related deal. |
| 18:11.16 | drom | Hachiman: http://imgur.com/gallery/L98mAZU |
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| 18:15.10 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 18:15.12 | drom | so much truth in this one: http://imgur.com/gallery/pdfFf |
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| 18:45.17 | Hachiman | I wonder where Wormy is |
| 18:46.12 | OluapWorker | Wiggling |
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| 19:00.37 | ImpyDroid | Gah |
| 19:00.57 | ImpyDroid | >My parents leave for three hours |
| 19:01.07 | ImpyDroid | >I spend all that time studying |
| 19:01.10 | ImpyDroid | >Done |
| 19:01.21 | ImpyDroid | >They return and tell me I do not study enough |
| 19:01.51 | Hachiman | #asianparents |
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| 19:44.55 | TekDroid | O.o My roommate keeps turning he thermostat up to 25°C. |
| 19:48.15 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 19:48.15 | infobot | it has been said that test is not funny |
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| 19:53.18 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 19:53.29 | TekDroid | Hey! |
| 19:53.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hey. :3 |
| 19:54.13 | DrodoEmpire | So hopefully I'll be able to fix and finish the Loron today or tomorrow |
| 19:55.55 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as I'm completely redoing them as the localization's unsalvagable, and after I'm done that I'm gonna have to code in a few events and a special decision for them |
| 20:01.47 | Hachiman | I wonder of the likelihood of whether or not there is actually a form of fauna that can sustain itself in a vacuum like space like a fish can in water |
| 20:01.59 | DrodoEmpire | Huh. |
| 20:02.09 | DrodoEmpire | Its an interesting question |
| 20:02.50 | Ghelae | You can certainly get life that can survive in space, but thriving is more difficult. |
| 20:03.15 | Ghelae | There's not very much to eat throughout most of space, after all. |
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| 20:03.44 | Hachiman | Aye of course |
| 20:03.52 | drom | blrgh |
| 20:04.03 | Ghelae | Environments like planetary rings would be better places to start an ecosystem. |
| 20:04.14 | DrodoEmpire | http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Tercio_Spanish.JPG - Okay so most Tercio formations make sense, but this one doesn't for me |
| 20:04.41 | DrodoEmpire | Like in the event of a charging enemy, this *does* give the musketeers better fields of fire; But they're extremely vulnerable |
| 20:04.52 | DrodoEmpire | The pikemen couldn't cover them effectively |
| 20:05.13 | DrodoEmpire | Granted this isn't the *only* formation they'd use |
| 20:05.15 | TekDroid | Though if the requirement for this question is just in a vaccumn, then an atmosphereless planetoid surface is probably a feasible candidate. |
| 20:05.41 | Hachiman | Well I was more pertaining to space |
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| 20:06.30 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose, however, that they could retreat into the formation after firing a few volleys and then letting the pikemen do the rest |
| 20:07.19 | DrodoEmpire | Or the pikemen could advance upwards more as well so that the arquebusiers are on the flanks |
| 20:07.32 | DrodoEmpire | Rather than in squares on the corners of the formation |
| 20:07.56 | Hachiman | Of course I suppose the matter of surviving in the vacuum of space with the absence of food can be avoided if aforementioned fauna isn't wholly biological |
| 20:09.47 | Ghel | The lack of food isn't necessarily a problem for energy, but without a source of matter there's no way to grow or reproduce. |
| 20:10.30 | Ghel | And any repairs that involve a loss of biomass would also be impossible. |
| 20:12.09 | Hachiman | Hm yeah that's true |
| 20:14.15 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/LXtrdwE.png |
| 20:15.03 | Ghel | As usual, there's a short example in Orion's Arm: http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/5151caf500550 The "conchsquid" gets its energy from the magnetic field of the gas giant that it lives in orbit of. |
| 20:15.31 | TekDroid | Drom: Lol |
| 20:16.23 | Ghel | But it still needs to eat. A more interplanetary or interstellar organism would perhaps stop at material-rich locations once every few years to centuries in order to feast, then spend the rest of its life in the void. |
| 20:17.52 | Hachiman | So it would stop at say particularly large asteroid clusters and small celestial bodies and such? |
| 20:19.18 | drom | Ghel: In Civ:BE, there a resource so called "Xenomass", literaly a bubbling green pool of proteins. Once you exploit them, you get a quest-promotion which lets you choose to use it as a food resource or for production (building, armor and alloys). |
| 20:19.57 | drom | For the latter, the quest described that if one let the protein to harden for a time, it becomes extremely sturdy and becomes useable as a construction material. |
| 20:20.49 | Ghel | Yes. Although in reality, asteroid belts are very sparse; ringed planets might be the most efficient place to feed. |
| 20:20.50 | drom | Which asks me, is this possible with our thesis as of the current discoveries? |
| 20:23.05 | Ghel | drom: Proteins can be fairly strong materials: take spider silk, for example. |
| 20:23.47 | drom | I see, but what about out-classing (not necenssarily all) metal? |
| 20:25.38 | Ghel | Organic molecules can easily be better than metals in a lot of situations, although I don't think proteins are good for most purposes. |
| 20:25.43 | Ghel | That is, most high-strength structural purposes. |
| 20:25.57 | Ghel | That's why our bones aren't made purely of proteins, for example. |
| 20:27.24 | Ghel | And wood is made strong because of lignin, which is another non-protein organic compound. |
| 20:27.43 | drom | The proteins' strength and capacities depend on its' molecular structure? |
| 20:30.06 | Ghel | Yes, and since proteins are made up of amino acids, their material properties are going to be limited to how the amino acids bind to each other. |
| 20:31.05 | drom | I had the thought of using protein as a breakthrough of metal-like (capacity and strength) material. Almost similar to the top-tier materials used by the majority of 2 and 1 tiers. Though limited, in the trade-off as an effective material for production. As it's easily refined and formed to desired output. |
| 20:32.01 | drom | Which then would give a new constrast to organic(?) materials compared to artifically created super-materials. |
| 20:35.16 | ImpyDroid | Organic and artificially created do not exclude each other |
| 20:35.32 | drom | So. I'm asking for the pausiblity. Since I'm not really in touch of nuclear physics when it comes to proteins. |
| 20:35.32 | ImpyDroid | Plastic is both for example |
| 20:35.33 | Ghel | For high structural strength, civilisations will most likely use diamond-like carbon molecules such as nanotubes. While I'm not a biochemist, I doubt proteins can come anywhere close. |
| 20:35.50 | Ghel | As for biological production, I would not be surprised if they had figured out a way to make such molecules in a biological manner anyway, just as other organic compounds are naturally synthesised by living cells. |
| 20:36.57 | ImpyDroid | drom: Börk börk |
| 20:37.00 | Ghel | To put it another way: proteins are certainly useful for a lot of things, but I wouldn't try using them as the framework for a starship. |
| 20:37.54 | drom | Yeah. But over-exploiting would lead them drained out. If they haven't come through either a natural or artifical method to mass-produce the raw material. Since complex structures usually take time to be naturally produce on its' own. |
| 20:41.05 | Ghel | Complex structures taking a long time to produce is an even worse problem for proteins than anything else. |
| 20:41.21 | drom | So. Appearently, it would be unrealistic for organic material to achieve the same capacity and mechincal porperities as metal. |
| 20:43.07 | Ghel | "Mechanical properties", "metal" and "organic material" are all very vague categories. |
| 20:43.10 | drom | What are the strongest then? |
| 20:44.18 | drom | What/which* |
| 20:44.24 | Ghel | Really, it's using proteins as a high-strength building material, like biologically-derived concrete, which is where your problem lies. |
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| 20:44.59 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:45.21 | drom | The problem is, the molecular structure is too complex? |
| 20:45.21 | drom | Hey |
| 20:45.22 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:45.32 | Wormy_ | What's this? |
| 20:46.48 | drom | A talk about strong materials. Currently about organic material, such as proteins as for high-strength building material. |
| 20:46.48 | Ghel | Proteins are made by attaching amino acids together in the correct sequence. Even though there are only around twenty of those building blocks used in nature, many proteins involve a hugely complicated sequence of them. |
| 20:47.35 | drom | I'm putting sluggish questions because I feel most comfortable about getting all of my question marks to exclaimation marks. |
| 20:47.46 | Ghel | But that's not biggest problem, it just makes them no less efficient to make biologically than if you could genetically engineer a cell to produce, for example, enzymes that make carbon nanotubes. |
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| 20:48.56 | Ghel | And even assuming there are proteins that can make for a building material comparable in strength to wood, that's obviously going to be no easier than just growing genetically-modified wood. |
| 20:48.56 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:48.56 | drom | Hey |
| 20:48.57 | Wormy_ | I'm no chemist, but I'm sure at least some proteins are biopolymers? |
| 20:48.57 | Monet | hi |
| 20:49.53 | drom | Carbon-based sugar, ya mean? |
| 20:50.22 | Ghel | Yes, proteins can easily be polymers. |
| 20:50.40 | Ghel | The hideous complexity is mainly reserved for enzymes rather than structural proteins. |
| 20:51.46 | Ghel | And sugars aren't proteins, drom. |
| 20:51.50 | drom | I noticed after a quick research. |
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| 20:53.01 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:53.21 | drom | Hey |
| 20:53.49 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 20:54.01 | drom | So in short. The biggest problem lies in the production in terms of effective and high-output goal? |
| 20:54.42 | Ghel | No, the biggest problem lies in proteins not being effective enough for large-scale construction. |
| 20:54.43 | Wormy_ | Are these high strength building materials living? While some of these molecules are indeed strong, they can be sensitive to things like cosmic ray impacts :P. So if its living technology, it may need a kind of error correction, like how digital computers can solve for exactly the same problems |
| 20:54.53 | drom | Call me sluggish if you have to. I have gotten a bit too tired. |
| 20:55.05 | drom | They don't have to be living. |
| 20:55.11 | Hachiman | drom: Basically proteins are shit |
| 20:55.34 | Wormy_ | But as Ghel said, cells producing carbon nanotubes and the like would be more efficient if possible |
| 20:55.45 | Ghel | The complexity of protein production only refutes your idea that there would be some ease-of-production advantage to proteins. |
| 20:57.05 | ImpyDroid | Sorry to interrupt the discussion |
| 20:57.13 | ImpyDroid | But Omegle is like the weirdest website evet |
| 20:57.17 | drom | I see the whole point now, thanks Ghel and Wormy_. Back to the drawing board and reformulate my idea. |
| 20:57.17 | ImpyDroid | ever |
| 20:57.27 | drom | It's okay. I think I have got what I needed. |
| 20:57.35 | Wormy_ | Wait |
| 20:57.43 | drom | Yes? |
| 20:58.00 | Wormy_ | Does this complexity relate in anyway to computsational intractability? |
| 20:58.09 | Wormy_ | When modelling how say, a gene is unfolded |
| 20:58.53 | Ghel | Proteins can still be useful as materials: spider silk, for example, is very tough and has good tensile strength. So you could use that as, for example, cables to hold up bridges. But not to build a skyscraper. |
| 20:58.54 | Wormy_ | And then putting into practice with machinery? |
| 20:59.13 | Ghel | Wormy_: I don't think that's really relevant... what are you thinking? |
| 20:59.51 | drom | What I understand from your questions: No, not really. I was aiming for the pausiblity to use protein for high-strength construction, such as spaceship/skycrapers. But it seems to be much for the protein complexity in general. |
| 21:00.03 | Wormy_ | Sorry, I apologise for jumping into the conversation late and not getting the context. |
| 21:00.30 | drom | So yeah. I have to revolve the idea of using organics to produce high-tier material. |
| 21:00.51 | drom | But at least it helped me alot. |
| 21:01.13 | Wormy_ | Well, quantum computation could potentially overcome intractability in classical systems and I was thinking, it might be able to make up for it, Especially Deutsch's Universal Quantum Computer |
| 21:02.01 | Ghel | Wormy_: Protein complexity, as I mentioned, isn't the important part. Drom suggested that proteins would have an advantage over other structural materials due to ease of manufacture; I pointed out that this is not the case. |
| 21:02.13 | Wormy_ | Yes |
| 21:02.14 | drom | What the more relevant case/scenario? |
| 21:02.14 | drom | What is* |
| 21:02.34 | drom | If not the most relevant imaginable case. |
| 21:03.17 | Ghel | I think you misunderstand what I wrote. There is no new information there. |
| 21:03.22 | drom | Oh. |
| 21:04.15 | drom | Well. It ain't gonna help alot for you guys, including me, when I'm sluggish due to exhaustation. |
| 21:04.56 | drom | Thanks though, it helped me alot to be started. |
| 21:05.21 | Wormy_ | Complex molecules and materials science is very heavy, amongst the more complicated sciences, so I'm not surprised you are exhuasted |
| 21:06.09 | drom | Well. I was exhausted mainly because of the math test I have had today. |
| 21:06.20 | Wormy_ | Speaking of which, I decided to read up on Neodarwinism lately, and got some books by Richard Dawkins |
| 21:07.50 | Wormy_ | He puts animals as amongst the most complicated machinery known to man in the whole universe, so there you go, one up for zoology and life science |
| 21:08.18 | drom | Which then made me too sluggish to understand scientifically formal terms. |
| 21:11.28 | drom | I really want to do fiction today. But the one I'm focused on is halted due to lack of fitting names. And I don't like replacing TODO:s by one and one. Even if I copy over to an editor with find+replace function. |
| 21:11.50 | Wormy_ | Ugh, I hate being stuck on character names |
| 21:12.15 | Wormy_ | or placenames |
| 21:12.15 | Wormy_ | or titles/headers |
| 21:12.48 | Wormy_ | I really gave up the chance of giving the Grimbolsarians or D -CP good names |
| 21:14.18 | drom | It happens to that Cyrannian is the most realible expert, obviously because he's the creator of the 'universe' (Cyrannus, not the gigaquadrants). Not to mention that I'm more of the "get concrete answer -> get started already" person with mono-focus. |
| 21:16.42 | drom | By mono-focus, I mean: Single-mindly work on a project and insist to finish it, no matter what. |
| 21:17.27 | Wormy_ | Yeah, thats how I do it |
| 21:17.31 | Wormy_ | One fic at a time and I can end up writing most of it in one sitting if it isn't a collab |
| 21:17.33 | drom | Writing a non-collab fiction outside your own can be strenous when it has to fit to the atmosphere. |
| 21:17.53 | drom | When you are not really educated or in touch of said atmosphere. |
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| 21:18.03 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 21:18.13 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 21:18.55 | drom | Hey. |
| 21:18.58 | drom | Wormy_: I guess, welcome to the single-empire club then? |
| 21:19.12 | Wormy_ | DCP is my first and foremost |
| 21:19.26 | Wormy_ | Do I qualify? |
| 21:19.32 | Xho | Fiction Universe is pretty much dead anyway |
| 21:19.48 | Monet | Can people stop saying that |
| 21:19.56 | drom | Wormy_: Aye. Since I do only possess mine: NC. |
| 21:20.18 | Wormy_ | I don't feel like its dead. |
| 21:20.19 | drom | Me neither. |
| 21:20.27 | Monet | Its very pessamistic and short-sighted |
| 21:20.27 | Wormy_ | I'm currently involved in more fiction than I can actually handle |
| 21:20.49 | drom | And it's funny that it comes from the one of the first group of people who left it. |
| 21:20.52 | Wormy_ | Its also my return to the fic universe other than solo stories |
| 21:21.13 | Wormy_ | I'd be sad if I returned to a dead one |
| 21:21.15 | Xho | Well there's a fair few of us who certainly don't enjoy it any moer |
| 21:21.23 | Xho | more* |
| 21:21.30 | Monet | Wormy_: Exactly. You or Drom wouldn't be collabing if the ficverse was dead |
| 21:21.33 | Wormy_ | Though I do feel the fic universe might be too big to manage now |
| 21:22.21 | Monet | It was probably an ambitious universe at the start |
| 21:22.21 | Monet | Several galaxies, all as richly detailed as each other |
| 21:22.22 | Wormy_ | And maybe its diverged at funny angles and different writing styles and I might even agree users have seperated a bit |
| 21:22.43 | Wormy_ | But the fic universe was never a centralised world building project |
| 21:24.17 | drom | I have to agree. That atmosphere was really strong for me as a newbie when I first arrived after my registeration. |
| 21:26.00 | drom | I noticed that pretty quickly when I looked for vacation. |
| 21:26.01 | Wormy_ | I'm going to have top break some woes however |
| 21:26.02 | drom | At least it wasn't a big deal though. |
| 21:26.06 | Wormy_ | I'm thinking of retiring from the fiction universe |
| 21:26.44 | Wormy_ | As soon as my planned fiction is complete and collabs done |
| 21:26.49 | drom | We "all" will miss you. Just do whatever is the best for you. |
| 21:26.50 | Wormy_ | What I will do, is write Station Halcyon as my window of interaction, and importantly, I will continue to make sci-fi stories, which I enjoy the most, as I write in inspiration |
| 21:27.05 | Wormy_ | Spur of the moment |
| 21:27.24 | Monet | You will be missed. |
| 21:28.16 | Wormy_ | I'm finding it really hard to find downtime for fiction atm, and really, there is so much for me to do. It could take a year before I finish planned fiction |
| 21:28.20 | Wormy_ | I'm not leaving the wiki or IRC though |
| 21:28.21 | drom | Just putting major writing business aside. |
| 21:28.22 | Wormy_ | yes |
| 21:28.36 | Wormy_ | Major poliotical stories, wars etc |
| 21:28.43 | Monet | But I suppose this day was coming, Just as empires rise and fall, the old must pass so that the new may blossom under their wisdom and legacy. |
| 21:29.18 | Wormy_ | I suppose readers of my fiction might be able to sense a direction I'm putting to everything, connecting it to one big story |
| 21:29.50 | Wormy_ | DCP is central |
| 21:29.52 | drom | You might eventually write a sci-fi triology based on that. |
| 21:30.15 | drom | Who knows. Not everyone are born as writers. |
| 21:30.46 | Wormy_ | I love writing actually, mabe one day I'll make a novel based on what I've done |
| 21:31.04 | Wormy_ | But I love it most when its spur of the moment |
| 21:31.51 | Wormy_ | Anyway, I estimate it could take a year, given all the RL stuff going on |
| 21:32.34 | drom | Heh. I would damn like to write a triology, if not series. But the hardest to best started is a concept and a story where people would find interesting and like to read though. |
| 21:33.01 | Hachiman | When I retire from the fictionverse, I probably won't look back at it. If the new are going to flourish in it after I'm gone, I don't want to see the crap they spew out as a misguided result of whatever wisdom or legacy I leave behind, which I hope is nothing |
| 21:33.01 | Wormy_ | Considering I started fic universe properly at 15, and I'll be 21 next year, that's six years! |
| 21:34.24 | drom | "It was fun, while it lasted." |
| 21:34.42 | Ghel | IIRC I joined SporeWiki around November 2009, so that's five years for me now. |
| 21:34.43 | Monet | Six years is a long time for a web writer |
| 21:34.43 | Hachiman | As Xho said, the fictionverse is either dead or dying and some of the more influential people really don't like how it's turned out now |
| 21:34.43 | Hachiman | So I don't blame any of the older users for wanting to leave it behind |
| 21:34.43 | Wormy_ | Frightening |
| 21:34.43 | drom | Well. There's always solutions. |
| 21:34.43 | Wormy_ | I don't |
| 21:34.47 | Xho | Just saying in my personal opinion, Gigaquadrantic Conflicts truly massacred it |
| 21:34.51 | Xho | Not intentionally |
| 21:35.02 | Xho | Just how it grew wasn't to plan |
| 21:35.14 | Xho | And it sort of smashed everything up |
| 21:36.44 | Wormy_ | not by intension though |
| 21:36.44 | Hachiman | Aye I'll have to agree |
| 21:36.45 | drom | Well. I predict that the sci-fi triology won't be entirely based on this universe. But with the knowledge and experience from there. I should be able to go farther. |
| 21:36.46 | Hachiman | Intentional or not, and I'm going to greatly assume it wasn't, GigConflicts practically wrecked the fictionverse with great discouragement |
| 21:36.46 | Xho | Now I feel it's being bombarded with soulless stratagem fictions and no individualistic interactions |
| 21:36.51 | Hachiman | You have it down to a T |
| 21:38.09 | Xho | That's killed it for me really; nothing to me has a personality any more |
| 21:38.09 | Xho | It's just *thud* and move on, and another *thud* |
| 21:38.10 | Xho | y u destroy my lovely child |
| 21:38.10 | Xho | i gon kil u all |
| 21:39.17 | Hachiman | Doesn't help that a lot of users now fester hate towards anything that even remotely hints at anything beyond politics or hard science, such as demons or supernatural planes or magic or anything |
| 21:41.12 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 21:41.12 | Technobliterator | Ghel, I joined SporeWiki the same time as you |
| 21:41.12 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 21:41.13 | Monet | Well it is understandable, supernatural planes, magic and demons are more fantasy although I think Xho tried retconning the demons of Inferno into interdimensional beings didn't he? |
| 21:41.14 | Xho | Vaguely |
| 21:41.14 | Hachiman | The fictionverse began as science fantasy |
| 21:41.24 | Xho | Now I can do all that in the Fantasyverse and turned to eleven |
| 21:41.40 | Xho | Except on one planet and not in infinite universes |
| 21:41.59 | Xho | But yes, it started as science fantasy |
| 21:41.59 | Monet | It began as science fantasy yes, but was there any solid rule it had to be science fantasy? |
| 21:42.14 | Xho | Trying to turn it solely into science is something I will resent and not forgive |
| 21:42.28 | Wormy_ | .. |
| 21:42.28 | OfficerJackal | That is true, from what I can see from the stories all the way back, Sporewiki was indeed science fantasy when it first started out. But people joined, and it evolved due to the will of the Users that participated, and it became more political and stuff because the majority wanted it to happen. |
| 21:44.07 | OfficerJackal | If everyone wanted it to still be Science Fantasy, Sporewiki would still be mainly Science Fantasy. |
| 21:44.13 | Technobliterator | a while ago, I used to think that science was just bogging down my fiction and making it boring because of limitations |
| 21:44.13 | Technobliterator | then I learned that scifi was all about bending the limitations in fun ways |
| 21:44.13 | Technobliterator | DrodoGMod, when it comes to Spartian300, don't feed the troll |
| 21:44.13 | Technobliterator | although I did open up his Message Wall, there's no need to keep responding to him |
| 21:44.21 | Hachiman | "The majority wanted it to happen" |
| 21:44.21 | Monet | Hachiman: Yes. The majority. |
| 21:44.21 | Wormy_ | You know I've been out-right accused of forcing sci down peoples throats in the fiction universe, I find it rather insulting. Nobody has forced science down anyone. |
| 21:44.22 | Hachiman | This is how soulless the fictionverse has become |
| 21:44.22 | Xho | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/859/BS.jpg |
| 21:44.27 | Xho | Wormy_: Not in that sense, I just mean it's taken the effect out of what I've done and has no real impact any more |
| 21:44.28 | Wormy_ | And my early fiction was quite shit, some of it may have looked like a science lecture, but I feel like I've progressed from that |
| 21:44.33 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Wormy_] by Technobliterator |
| 21:44.40 | Hachiman | And what of the apparent "minority" who didn't want it to happen? It's a collaberative universe, not some political office |
| 21:44.55 | Hachiman | It's like the fictionverse has become the setting of The Incredibles; all the characteristic traits that don't conform to the norm are in retirement or hiding their supersuits |
| 21:44.56 | Monet | Hachiman: You had Borealis |
| 21:45.41 | Monet | You could have continued the scence fantasy setting there |
| 21:45.41 | Wormy_ | Alright, I apologise for my outburst, its not aimed at anyone. I just used to get a feeling my stuff wasn't liked |
| 21:45.47 | Xho | On a side note, I just had a banana and it flopped and broke off. For a brief period I discovered the horrors of erectile dysfunction |
| 21:45.52 | Wormy_ | damn |
| 21:45.53 | Hachiman | Monet: Nobody should have to restrict anything anywhere in a collaberative universe |
| 21:47.05 | Monet | Hachiman: No but you're lamenting as if you had nowhere to practice scence fantasy. |
| 21:47.06 | Hachiman | We don't |
| 21:47.06 | Xho | Well as a general sense we don't now |
| 21:47.06 | OfficerJackal | Back, had to feed my fish. |
| 21:47.06 | Monet | I just said you had Borealis |
| 21:47.06 | Xho | Borealis is inactive since Oluap's retired from the Fictionverse |
| 21:47.17 | Hachiman | And Oluap retired with good reason |
| 21:47.27 | Wormy_ | I would like to think as an ideal, the fiction universe can support all formats, science fantasy, speculative sci-fi, and realpolitik |
| 21:48.46 | Xho | As an older user, I feel the Fictionverse has recently grown into something very very ugly |
| 21:48.47 | DrodoGMod | Wormy: I agree |
| 21:48.47 | Monet | Xho: I will take that as an opinion. |
| 21:48.47 | Xho | That was an opinion |
| 21:48.47 | Wormy_ | I think this all quite subjective. |
| 21:48.49 | Hachiman | Consider that Xho founded the fictionverse |
| 21:48.49 | Wormy_ | And not worth arguing over |
| 21:48.55 | Xho | Not entirely founded, just sort of kicked everyone into doing something |
| 21:49.02 | Monet | Hachiman: Are you...are you pulling rank? |
| 21:49.07 | Xho | Suppose that is founding in a violent sense |
| 21:49.25 | Hachiman | Monet: You're pulling your apparent democracy movement |
| 21:49.33 | Wormy_ | Yeah, the Seven Starr Alliance pre-dates it, though did not start a universe,. I suppose it added a bucketload |
| 21:49.50 | Technobliterator | I'd just like to take the time to point out that I am not afraid of using the kick button I have right over here, nor am I afraid of pointing out you're all blowing this way out of proportion. |
| 21:50.08 | DrodoGMod | How is this as a solution; Try and make Borealis active again. :P I know it isn't nearly that easy, but perhaps try and drum-up activity there and explicitly state it is a galaxy whose primary theme is science fantasy, character-based, etc. |
| 21:50.23 | DrodoGMod | No need for this hostility. |
| 21:50.23 | Hachiman | How about we don't restrict it to Borealis |
| 21:50.40 | Hachiman | How about we bring it back to Andromeda, or the Milky Way, or wherever |
| 21:50.47 | Xho | Or everywhere |
| 21:50.54 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 21:51.00 | drom | I firstly requested a vacation in Borealis. I was rejected. Good riddance. |
| 21:51.10 | Monet | Hachiman: You, Impy and I managed to restore Andromeda after Richardson left. I don't see restoring Boralis to activity as an impossibility |
| 21:51.12 | Xho | Restricting themes is probably the #1 no-no |
| 21:51.23 | DrodoGMod | You don't have to; I'm just saying that trying to impose your version over others is silly just as us trying to impose ours everywhere else |
| 21:51.27 | Xho | It's gonna be an impossibility as long as Oluap says no |
| 21:51.28 | Hachiman | Monet: Oluap doesn't want his child corrupted |
| 21:51.34 | Technobliterator | Restrictions limit creativity and are nothing but bad news |
| 21:51.46 | DrodoGMod | It seemed like a good compromise |
| 21:51.48 | DrodoGMod | :P |
| 21:51.51 | DrodoGMod | Sorry |
| 21:51.56 | Hachiman | DrodoGMod: Even though the realpolitik users did this to the space fantasy ones |
| 21:52.13 | DrodoGMod | No. |
| 21:52.15 | DrodoGMod | We didn't |
| 21:52.25 | Hachiman | Then why are we having this discussion |
| 21:52.33 | Wormy_ | I'll just say it now, one reason I think I want to restire the fic universe is exactly these arguments and pessimism in general. It is not very fun to do fiction anymore. In fact I join today and within an hour and conflict erupts. |
| 21:52.42 | OfficerJackal | Alright, look. I want the Fictionverse to be accepting and tolerating of all forms of Fiction just like the next guy, and to be honest I'm completely fine with Science Fantasy like demons and supernatural, I think combined with the Political and Hard Science aspects of the Fictionverse today it would actually be very cool. But, people on the Fictionverse today just aren't doing those sort of fictions anymore like demons |
| 21:52.42 | OfficerJackal | and the such, not because they have a hate for it, just because they don't want to do it and would rather do something else. I'm sure if you started a compelling enough fiction story with those aspects you like, and talked to enough people, fictions like that could start up again. |
| 21:52.43 | Xho | Pretty much |
| 21:52.45 | DrodoGMod | We didn't go on a crusade and denouce character-based fictions; It just so happens that it is popular and the Gigaconflict tried to pull everyone into that type of fiction |
| 21:52.48 | Monet | You blamed the realpolitik users for the death of the fictionverse |
| 21:52.51 | drom | Because you deny realpolitik. |
| 21:52.57 | DrodoGMod | Which was a massive mistake |
| 21:54.09 | Wormy_ | It wastes my time I could be having fun here. I think the real problem is out-of-universe and that is my raw opinion |
| 21:54.10 | Xho | See this is why I like Fantasyverse more |
| 21:54.10 | Wormy_ | What safeguards are present to protect the Fantasyverse? |
| 21:54.11 | DrodoGMod | Wormy: I agree it is OOC issues bleeding into IC ones |
| 21:54.22 | Xho | None |
| 21:54.23 | Technobliterator | y'know, I kind of tried to make Uncharted Expanse to solve this issue |
| 21:54.23 | Xho | Just that there's only three users active |
| 21:54.29 | Technobliterator | but it's a shame it didn't really work |
| 21:54.29 | Wormy_ | Nobody really knows what the fault is in the fic universe or wiki atm. |
| 21:54.29 | Xho | Not that I don't like you lot, just stating facts |
| 21:54.40 | DrodoGMod | ^ |
| 21:55.15 | drom | ^ |
| 21:55.16 | Technobliterator | woah woah wait |
| 21:55.17 | OfficerJackal | ^ Uncharted Expanse would have been cool. |
| 21:55.17 | Wormy_ | Jo: You did pick a time when we are back to college or uni, or starting again though |
| 21:55.17 | Monet | Xho: Exactly ,the fictionverse has grown. People have brought in new ideas and new ways of doing things and there's been opposition |
| 21:55.49 | Monet | Rather than hiding the issue or sweeping things under the rug, perhaps a compromise or an agreement could have been reached diplomatically. |
| 21:55.50 | OfficerJackal | Refer to my post. Just because people don't do those sort of fictions anymore, doesn't mean they HATE it, it just means they have either grown tired of it or are not interested enough in the current/proposed fictions that have it. |
| 21:56.36 | Xho | The main contrast is the realpolitik users and the users who do things by character-based stories and interactions |
| 21:56.37 | Xho | There I said it |
| 21:56.37 | Wormy_ | There was definately opposition to having speculative sci-fi, I do do remember this and it nearly pushed me from the fic universe |
| 21:56.37 | drom | Technobliterator: Is it possible to request a ban-me? |
| 21:56.42 | Monet | Xho: Realpolitik can still be character based |
| 21:56.42 | DrodoGMod | Xho: That's part of the problem; Incompatibility. But I think there is other OOC tensions too that help fuel the fire |
| 21:56.45 | Xho | OOC no comprendo |
| 21:56.50 | DrodoGMod | Out-Of-Character. |
| 21:56.55 | Wormy_ | The only solution I can see is getting both user groups to work together and integrate more then. Better than nothing |
| 21:56.55 | Xho | rite |
| 21:56.55 | Technobliterator | drom, what are you talking about? |
| 21:57.05 | Hachiman | He means problems between users on a personal level |
| 21:57.08 | Xho | Wormy_: After all this I think the rapture is more likely |
| 21:57.28 | Technobliterator | Uncharted Expanse |
| 21:57.31 | Technobliterator | Uncharted Expanse guys |
| 21:57.45 | drom | Technobliterator: I'm tried of going to this channel to see a daily shitstorm. I wanted to be banned for 5 days (to Friday). |
| 21:57.49 | Wormy_ | See this is why I haven't much faith in the wiki anymore |
| 21:57.58 | OfficerJackal | Realpolitik can still very well be character based, infact it sort of encourages it if you write it the right way, there's no reason why realpolitk and character-driven stories should be at odds. |
| 21:58.14 | Hachiman | Because fuck realpolitik it's fucking boring |
| 21:58.18 | Technobliterator | drom, alright, I understand. If you ever want to return, just pop me a note on Steam or anything. |
| 21:58.21 | DrodoGMod | Hachi stop |
| 21:58.24 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+b *!*@unaffiliated/drom] by Technobliterator |
| 21:58.27 | DrodoGMod | Its not for a lot of peope |
| 21:58.29 | DrodoGMod | *people |
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| 21:58.36 | DrodoGMod | Your intolerance isn't helping |
| 21:58.40 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: There, that's the attitude that sets certain groups at odds, the "Fuck that!" attitude. |
| 21:58.41 | Wormy_ | And why I think I might be leaving the fic universe entirely aside from solo-writing. This, this going on right now, is killing the fun |
| 21:58.46 | Hachiman | I come here for the speculative science fiction and demons and shit, not a simulation of real life |
| 21:58.50 | Xho | Honestly I think we should just start banning users or something |
| 21:58.51 | Monet | HAchiman: Do you watch Game of Thrones? |
| 21:59.00 | Hachiman | Yes I do, I love Game of Thrones |
| 21:59.01 | DrodoGMod | And realpolitik isn't a "simulation of real life"...? |
| 21:59.01 | Monet | Do you realise how politics-driven Game of Thrones IS |
| 21:59.07 | DrodoGMod | Its a very broad topic |
| 21:59.08 | Xho | Not the best idea but then again I'm not one for sensitive ideas |
| 22:00.23 | Hachiman | The difference between GoT and the Fictionverse is that I and a few other people have come to think that the Fictionverse is lacking the soul and character it used to |
| 22:00.55 | Xho | I have to agree with Hachi on that one |
| 22:01.14 | Hachiman | Plus there was a time where Xho and Oluap suggested plots regarding armageddon scenarios and a lot of people outright insulted them for it |
| 22:01.30 | Xho | Well it did become an old trope after Tantum |
| 22:01.47 | Hachiman | Nonetheless the point stands |
| 22:01.51 | Xho | At least the Fantasyverse hasn't got one yet so I'm safe there |
| 22:02.08 | DrodoEmpire | I think there is a major problem with the wiki's whole community setup; Up until somewhat recently the wiki (*especially* the fictionverse) has been a fairly small community, yes? |
| 22:02.12 | Monet | Armaggeddon plots tend to get old when you know the world will be saved in the end |
| 22:02.33 | OfficerJackal | ^ That is true, having a predictable outcome does not compel a reader to actually read the story. |
| 22:02.57 | DrodoEmpire | I think the issue here is, that the community has grown rapidly in the past... I'd say two years, and now its having a very difficult time coping with all of the new population, ideas, fiction, etc. |
| 22:03.08 | DrodoEmpire | Which is tearing the community apart |
| 22:03.10 | Technobliterator | the community has grown rapidly? 0.o |
| 22:03.18 | DrodoEmpire | Somewhat |
| 22:03.23 | DrodoEmpire | Its certainly grown |
| 22:03.38 | DrodoEmpire | I've seen a lot of new people come on in the past year or two. :P |
| 22:03.45 | Monet | Technobliterator: Well since 2011 there's been me, drom, all the Katarian users, Zilla... |
| 22:03.57 | Hachiman | I'm fine with realpolitik in the fictionverse, it's *too* political for me to enjoy properly but I'm fine. What I'm NOT fine with is how it has come to dominate everything else in the fictionverse after the miscarriage that was GigConflicts |
| 22:04.01 | Technobliterator | ...that's a pretty small growth |
| 22:04.02 | DrodoEmpire | This is the issue as I have seen it, as for a solution? I have no idea |
| 22:04.14 | DrodoEmpire | That's a lot for a very small community |
| 22:04.22 | Wormy_ | You know, I'e adapoted both styles writing in GXS, I write the story from a nation perspectivem and character. The idea they are incompatible is flawed |
| 22:04.32 | DrodoEmpire | remember that the "Katarian users" mean me, tek, OJ, and several others |
| 22:04.33 | OfficerJackal | Look, if you want people to do those sort of stories again with demons and such, you need to GET THEM INTERESTED. Look a what people like on Sporewiki, how they write and etc, and try to get them in to have a fun and cooperative experience. |
| 22:04.46 | Wormy_ | I do prefer character writing though, but I won't shit on others |
| 22:05.44 | Hachiman | GigConflicts initially promised an experience that would affect the Fictionverse as a whole and forbade the use of supernatural or fantastical elements and everything went down the shitter from there |
| 22:05.52 | Technobliterator | my opinion will probably be less popular than the most unpopular ones here: |
| 22:05.53 | Hachiman | We are still in the wake of the GigConflicts |
| 22:06.04 | Technobliterator | that the Fiction Universe was a neat idea blown way out of proportion |
| 22:06.24 | OfficerJackal | People do Realpolitik because they enjoy writing about it, if they didn't they would not do it. |
| 22:06.51 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: I agree that it was terrible. But I think realpolitik is more of a trend; It'll decline in time |
| 22:07.00 | Hachiman | I certainly hope so |
| 22:07.00 | DrodoEmpire | Until it is just another writing style |
| 22:07.16 | Monet | Its a phase |
| 22:07.17 | DrodoEmpire | That said I am personally open to any kind of writing |
| 22:07.23 | OfficerJackal | Same here. |
| 22:07.41 | DrodoEmpire | Realpolitik *is* likely here to stay; Its just it happens to own a large presence at the moment |
| 22:07.54 | DrodoEmpire | I would encourage "competing" writing styles, honestly |
| 22:08.13 | Hachiman | Once the realpolitik fad is over then I'll probably start to put my faith back into the Fictionverse |
| 22:08.30 | DrodoEmpire | I say that realpolitik users write character-based or collab with character users |
| 22:08.51 | DrodoEmpire | And perhaps also vice versa; Though I'm not sure of the fairness of a vice-versa against a minority |
| 22:09.03 | Hachiman | I think the most viable solution here would be for users to come out of their comfort zones really |
| 22:09.03 | DrodoEmpire | ^^^^^ |
| 22:09.03 | Monet | Hachiman: Didn't you try realpolitik in the form of Golden Movement? |
| 22:09.14 | Hachiman | I did and I lost interest quickly |
| 22:09.37 | Hachiman | I will get Golden Movement done eventually but it will probably be more character-centric or something I dunno |
| 22:10.00 | DrodoEmpire | I am trying to write something somewhat character-based; But its been delayed a lot |
| 22:10.01 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 22:10.18 | Monet | Hachiman: Getting out of the comfort zone is something I hear encouragement of in -all- areas of creative media. |
| 22:11.01 | Monet | So I'm fine with users moving away from what they may be settled in. |
| 22:11.22 | Hachiman | But if I was to pose the idea of a collaberative fiction involving heavy supernatural/fantasy elements in a science fiction setting, how many of you realpolitik users would actually join out of interest |
| 22:11.28 | Monet | "you won't know until you've tried" |
| 22:11.38 | DrodoEmpire | I'm experimental, I would |
| 22:11.44 | DrodoEmpire | Depends on location though |
| 22:11.58 | Monet | I've got the Inquisition and Purgatory Guard so why wouldn't i? |
| 22:12.38 | Monet | But for some it may take mroe than genre to get them interested |
| 22:12.42 | DrodoEmpire | Depends (obviously) on the basic premise as well; But yeah I would |
| 22:15.04 | OfficerJackal | Hachiman: Back. Anyways, I would check it out if I was invited, and I would join depending on the premise of the fiction. |
| 22:16.06 | Technobliterator | ...Uncharted Expanse |
| 22:16.07 | Monet | I keep getting told to start small when it comes to business. So maybe if we were to try this maybe a scale other than "universe-destroying"? (Not against it just saying at this stage overreaching may be dangerous) |
| 22:16.11 | Technobliterator | Uncharted Expanse |
| 22:16.49 | Hachiman | How many of you have played Dungeons & Dragons before, aside from Monet? Because I feel that's somewhat similar to the format that stories used to be ran within the wiki prior to the realpolitik movement, minus rolling for attacks and actions and such |
| 22:17.03 | DrodoEmpire | Unfortunately, no. |
| 22:17.08 | Wormy_ | never |
| 22:17.21 | Xho | Nope |
| 22:17.39 | Xho | Well of course I haven't I don't even know what rolling for attacks even means |
| 22:18.07 | Monet | Xho, Wormy_: You havent' but you two already have some experience with the format due t oRPs in the past |
| 22:18.11 | Wormy_ | In GXS. I'm still following character stories, like here http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism/Orion_War/Behind_closed_doors |
| 22:18.20 | Wormy_ | yes |
| 22:18.40 | OfficerJackal | I've never played Dungeions & Dragons before. |
| 22:18.43 | Wormy_ | Never enjoyed long roleplays though, but I like writing stories from perspective of characters |
| 22:19.31 | Hachiman | A party of people with characters being guided through an experience by an administrator(s) was the core of how fictional stories used to work here and I am wondering if the realpolitik users here would be open to participating in such if themes were primarily centric around action and supernatural elements and the likes |
| 22:20.15 | Wormy_ | I still suggest one solution might well be that users from both directions cross-over and try each others styles |
| 22:20.28 | Xho | I know what a Dungeon Master is |
| 22:20.32 | Technobliterator | fuckkkkkkk |
| 22:20.37 | Technobliterator | I had homework in for tomorrow |
| 22:20.46 | Technobliterator | and I haven't started it, now I don't even know the question |
| 22:20.48 | Xho | Technobliterator: get it dun scrub |
| 22:20.49 | Technobliterator | :'( |
| 22:20.50 | Wormy_ | Of course segregation is going to kill the fiction universe |
| 22:21.51 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: I agree. |
| 22:22.30 | Hachiman | Although I personally don't see why action, supernatural aspects, and politics cannot crossover myself |
| 22:22.39 | Hachiman | It's just one dominating over the other that bothers me |
| 22:23.03 | Xho | overflows the Fictionverse with demonspawn cheese |
| 22:23.09 | Hachiman | yee |
| 22:23.09 | Xho | Balance restored |
| 22:23.42 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, I think that if those three aspects combined and crossed over in a fiction, it'd be pretty cool. |
| 22:23.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: I agree with you; By trying others' styles we can find a good balance |
| 22:23.54 | DrodoEmpire | The only issue is actually doing it this time |
| 22:23.58 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 22:24.04 | Monet | One of the possibilities may be demons tend to be black-and-white. One of the isues and the inspirations with the GigCOnflicts was until that point everyone was fighting demons, there was a rigid understand of who was a good and who was a bad guy. Part of the GC's collapse was because it was turnin friends on each other. |
| 22:24.42 | Xho | *cough* |
| 22:25.16 | DrodoEmpire | So yeah... With that said, I'm definitely open to anyone who'd want to collab |
| 22:25.18 | Monet | I should probably stop. |
| 22:25.28 | DrodoEmpire | Probably. |
| 22:25.31 | DrodoEmpire | :L |
| 22:25.33 | Wormy_ | whispers Uncharted Expanse |
| 22:25.39 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:25.47 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, we should revive that |
| 22:25.54 | Hachiman | Uncharted Expanse, yeah |
| 22:27.00 | Technobliterator | coughitwasmyideacough |
| 22:27.19 | Hachiman | I'm glad I came up with Uncharted Expanse |
| 22:27.26 | Hachiman | Shame it didn't happen but it might now |
| 22:27.27 | Xho | Yeah, best idea I've ever had |
| 22:27.33 | Technobliterator | >:( |
| 22:27.37 | Xho | wait what |
| 22:30.27 | Technobliterator | urgh |
| 22:30.32 | Technobliterator | can't find the fucking homework sheet |
| 22:30.55 | Xho | lel homework |
| 22:31.01 | Hachiman | kek |
| 22:31.06 | Hachiman | Have you tried the kitchen Jo |
| 22:31.13 | Xho | HOOOOON |
| 22:31.43 | Xho | Wish I knew how to do 3D Modelling |
| 22:31.54 | Xho | Probelms are: 1) I'm too impatient to give a shit |
| 22:32.01 | Xho | That's it really |
| 22:32.36 | Monet | There's online tutorials but yeah, you need patience |
| 22:32.53 | Monet | The longest part is texturing and rendering I think. |
| 22:33.22 | Xho | Working full time makes it slightly impossible |
| 22:33.43 | Xho | I need to be rich and unemployed like right now |
| 22:34.16 | Xho | Looking at artwork of Sauron on dA -> I get Taki from Soulcalibur |
| 22:34.22 | Xho | Now that was unexpected |
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| 22:35.34 | Wormy_ | wants to mention university to Xho but realises that might be irrelevant |
| 22:35.45 | Xho | no no no no no no no no |
| 22:36.12 | Wormy_ | you could be unemployed at least |
| 22:36.17 | Wormy_ | :P |
| 22:36.45 | Wormy_ | you could do 3D animation or interactive media |
| 22:37.00 | Wormy_ | Or even a foundation degree, so no exams |
| 22:37.29 | Wormy_ | you could model to your content |
| 22:38.12 | Monet | On my animation couse there's still essays, but apparently that's because there are still employers out there who think "art college student = failed at academics" |
| 22:39.08 | Xho | I'd like to say I succeeded in academics |
| 22:39.12 | Xho | I just hated it with every fibre of my being |
| 22:40.07 | Monet | Well in animation there's a teeny bit of maths but I havent' got there yet. |
| 22:40.16 | Technobliterator | I had two fucking weeks to do this and forgot it |
| 22:40.28 | Technobliterator | I think I failed the homework before that one too :'( |
| 22:40.42 | Ghel | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
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| 22:41.34 | Wormy_ | See this is another rason why I have been semi-active lately. University |
| 22:42.06 | Wormy_ | Too much fiction + I like spur of moment stuff + too busy in RL + arguments here |
| 22:43.09 | Wormy_ | I've been trying to apply my geological knowledge to 3D, spent last weekend strruggling with Geographical Information Software |
| 22:43.31 | Wormy_ | Then to create whats called a greyscale map to displace geometry in Maya |
| 22:44.22 | Wormy_ | I tried it with AutoCad and gave up in a mass of frustration |
| 22:45.30 | Xho | I dunno why I think of grayscale rendering |
| 22:46.10 | Wormy_ | Probably the same thing |
| 22:46.35 | Monet | Autocad is....pedantic |
| 22:48.28 | Xho | I guess when you say mathematics I guess you mean interpolation |
| 22:49.03 | Xho | And stuff along those lines |
| 22:49.18 | Monet | For animation? |
| 22:49.31 | Xho | General graphics I guess |
| 22:50.51 | Monet | There's that, there's also scale, accuracy, lighting and shading values |
| 22:54.15 | Monet | And with Maya all the various shaders, riggers (I think, i'm not quite there yet) and lighting setups are generated though complx algorithms which firtunately you don't need to know what those algorithms are but its good to understand the modifiable parameters |
| 22:54.39 | Monet | Fortunately when ot comes to rendering, you can multitask |
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