| 00:12.17 | Hachiman | No point in me being here anymore so |
| 00:24.29 | DrodoEmpire | "One of the most significant historical auctions occurred in the year 193 A.D. when the entire Roman Empire was put on the auction block by the Praetorian Guard." |
| 00:24.30 | DrodoEmpire | O.o |
| 00:24.44 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 00:27.52 | Monet | The Praetorian Guard weren't really that good a guard were they? |
| 00:28.09 | DrodoEmpire | They became decadent and corrupt, yes. |
| 00:28.27 | Monet | I swear I remember hearing at least half of all assasinated emperors were at their hands |
| 00:28.37 | Monet | Or it was from neglect of duty |
| 00:28.47 | DrodoEmpire | Oftentimes putting emperors loyal to them on the throne or, indeed, killing others that they weren't big fans of. |
| 00:29.17 | DrodoEmpire | At times they really did own the empire |
| 00:29.28 | Monet | Good thing the paragons sort-of brainwashed their Praetorian Guard. |
| 00:29.36 | DrodoEmpire | How so? |
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| 00:30.11 | Monet | Well before the Second House War they were conditioned to follow the commands of the paragon unquestioningly. |
| 00:30.34 | Monet | They were stil ladaptie in battle, but when a paragon gave an order, they followed. |
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| 00:31.13 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: I see. And this was enough to stop them from attempting coups? Or acting out of the guard's self-interest? |
| 00:31.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
| 00:31.49 | Monet | Ensuring loyalty mostly, yeah. |
| 00:32.05 | Monet | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141010210142/spore/images/9/96/DraconisSHW01.jpg then one day they were told to do this |
| 00:32.53 | DrodoEmpire | Keep in mind that great empires far younger than the Draconis have had there own guards-gone-corrupt; The Ottoman Janissaries, the Praetorian Guard, the Egyptian Mamluks... The list goes on |
| 00:33.06 | DrodoEmpire | And there are other institutions prone to corruption, too |
| 00:33.40 | DrodoEmpire | So forgive me for being a bit skeptical about the stability and noncorruptness of the current Draconis guard, and country for that matter. :P |
| 00:34.02 | Monet | Oh I won't deny the Imperium's governemnt isn't corrupt. |
| 00:34.20 | Monet | I've identified two massive civil wars in its history |
| 00:34.54 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 00:34.59 | Monet | Anyway not long after there was a -lot- of pressure both from the Grand Senate (most of whom were dead after said event) and the public to give the guard a little more freedom to question orders. |
| 00:36.21 | Monet | Hmm if I recall both the Janissaries and the Praetorian Guard gained considerable wealth and political influence, right? |
| 00:36.36 | Monet | With some as generals as well as bodyguards? |
| 00:37.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yes |
| 00:37.31 | Monet | That might be where Dragons differ then |
| 00:37.35 | DrodoEmpire | Both of the groups became very, very, very wealthy and powerful within their respective nations |
| 00:37.56 | DrodoEmpire | Well, trying to curb the eventual increase in political influence, for one |
| 00:38.07 | DrodoEmpire | While still maintaining loyalty |
| 00:38.34 | Monet | Because Blood Dragons are taken as eggs to Alcanti, they're technically Houseless. |
| 00:38.41 | DrodoEmpire | Which means them practically being drones or just highly-trained army regulars would seem to be two of more effective ways |
| 00:38.47 | Monet | The Draconis equivilent of an untouchable |
| 00:39.03 | Guest33767 | Heh, I got to that scene where half his family gets hanged in Episode II |
| 00:39.16 | Guest33767 | Assassain's Creed II |
| 00:39.29 | Monet | That was nasty |
| 00:39.39 | Monet | The bastards hung a child! |
| 00:39.58 | Wormy_ | aye |
| 00:40.40 | Wormy_ | I am quite a cold person, but that did give me a glimmer of sickness especially as I had to escape |
| 00:41.42 | Monet | So politically, because no Blood Dragons are officially tied by blood or family to a particular house (emphasised by lacking family names), its much more difficult for them to gain influence. |
| 00:41.55 | DrodoEmpire | So? |
| 00:42.16 | Monet | Family and heritage means a LOT in Draconis culture |
| 00:42.35 | DrodoEmpire | Both the Janissaries and Mamluks where *slaves*, within very rigid societies and yet they both came to own their respective countries. |
| 00:42.35 | Monet | Without a family name to attach yourself to, you're essentially an outcast. |
| 00:43.21 | DrodoEmpire | And you think being a slave in the middle east wasn't? |
| 00:43.23 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:43.30 | Monet | OKay fair point |
| 00:43.57 | DrodoEmpire | I'm not gonna say they where treated as chattel, but they certainly didn't have the cards stacked in there favour, the Janissaries and Mamluks |
| 00:44.35 | DrodoEmpire | I hope I don't come off as undermining or mean, I'm just trying to make you think a bit. |
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| 00:44.39 | Monet | Well I think i've only displayed maybe 10, 20% of the Imperium's entire history. |
| 00:45.18 | Monet | Absolutely anything could have happened in al lthose years; the Imeprium as a power has waxed and waned multipl times. |
| 00:45.32 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah that's true |
| 00:45.47 | DrodoEmpire | The guards could have become very corrupt at one point only to be purged |
| 00:46.25 | Monet | Maybe in being bodyguard and essentially blood-brother to Uriel's father, Davius might have some degree of influence on the Paragon |
| 00:46.47 | Monet | But as a soldier, there's probably only so much he knows. |
| 00:48.18 | Monet | The more I talk about this the mroe I wonder about making the Imperium an open-source faction |
| 00:48.52 | Monet | There is just SO MUCH to cover! |
| 00:50.47 | Wormy_ | I'm enjoying AC II a bit more than Mass Effect just for the moment. I keep getting stuck in Mass Effect |
| 00:51.18 | Wormy_ | I'd enjoy ME more if my levels weren't so low and a couple of shots kill me |
| 00:53.03 | Monet | Goodnight |
| 00:53.23 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 01:10.03 | Tek0516 | O.o I just realized that Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who |
| 01:11.00 | DrodoEmpire | Oh god |
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| 01:11.02 | DrodoEmpire | Really? |
| 01:11.05 | DrodoEmpire | O.O |
| 01:11.12 | DrodoEmpire | *X-files theme starts* |
| 01:11.14 | Tek0516 | Yep. |
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| 01:34.18 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 01:34.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 01:45.23 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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| 01:57.45 | Vincent20100 | tst |
| 01:59.05 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
| 02:11.23 | Tek0516 | http://i.imgur.com/L0P9JUL.png The big, beautiful Farengeto empire. XD |
| 02:12.42 | Vincent20100 | Mmmm? |
| 02:13.02 | Tek0516 | I'm assuming you can't even see it. :P |
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| 02:36.06 | GD12 | Hello |
| 02:36.09 | Tek0516 | Hello OfficerJackal and GD12 |
| 02:36.26 | OfficerJackal | Hey! |
| 02:36.28 | GD12 | Greetins yall |
| 02:39.04 | Vincent20100 | Hey GD! |
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| 02:52.29 | Vincent20100 | WB GD |
| 02:52.37 | GD12 | sup |
| 02:53.38 | Quark8 | test |
| 02:54.13 | GD12 | passed |
| 02:54.27 | GD12 | hmm |
| 02:54.28 | GD12 | I think |
| 02:54.38 | GD12 | I'm going to try to add some kind of additiional functionality to the Ogre |
| 02:54.54 | GD12 | For anyone on the IRC : What constitutes the perfect tank (regardless of cost) |
| 02:55.20 | Vincent20100 | ANti aircraft defenses |
| 02:55.45 | Vincent20100 | Anti-infantry AND anti-wehicles weaponry |
| 02:56.12 | Vincent20100 | Flamethrowers (especially in foresty areas) |
| 02:56.32 | Vincent20100 | Armour |
| 02:56.44 | Vincent20100 | Being light |
| 02:57.26 | Vincent20100 | Fuel efficient for maximum mobility range. |
| 02:57.34 | Vincent20100 | Speed |
| 02:59.18 | GD12 | Thanks. Anything else you can think of? |
| 03:00.02 | Vincent20100 | Looking good |
| 03:00.10 | Vincent20100 | Being stealthy |
| 03:00.18 | Vincent20100 | Being cost efficient |
| 03:00.19 | Quark8 | dosent explode |
| 03:00.28 | GD12 | Got it |
| 03:00.44 | Vincent20100 | Looking |
| 03:00.51 | Vincent20100 | IT important I mention it twice |
| 03:01.03 | Vincent20100 | since it is twice more important than everything else |
| 03:01.10 | Vincent20100 | *Looking Good |
| 03:01.34 | Vincent20100 | Having large ammo/cargo/other capacities |
| 03:01.50 | Vincent20100 | BEing strong, to track other vehicles |
| 03:02.27 | Vincent20100 | Trust it or not, but most WW2 tanks weren't strong enough to track other vehicles until late war |
| 03:02.54 | Vincent20100 | This is tactically a big flaw |
| 03:04.10 | Vincent20100 | Which Germans exploited perfectly |
| 03:04.24 | Vincent20100 | Bieng mechanically reliable too |
| 03:04.32 | Vincent20100 | And easy to repair |
| 03:04.53 | Vincent20100 | There is also qualities specific to the weapon(s) |
| 03:04.57 | Vincent20100 | like, firing speed |
| 03:05.05 | Vincent20100 | operation cost |
| 03:05.20 | Vincent20100 | Armour piercing effectivity |
| 03:05.27 | Vincent20100 | stealthyness |
| 03:05.31 | GD12 | got it |
| 03:05.41 | GD12 | I'll get a subset of those characteristics and make sure the Ogre has them |
| 03:06.11 | Vincent20100 | Flamethrowers were very common during WW2 because they were effective weapons for anti-infantry |
| 03:06.20 | Vincent20100 | and anti-fortification |
| 03:06.38 | Vincent20100 | and cheaper to burn gaz than using metal ammos |
| 03:07.41 | Vincent20100 | easiness to clean and maintain |
| 03:11.15 | Vincent20100 | accuracy |
| 03:11.20 | Vincent20100 | range |
| 03:11.27 | Vincent20100 | travelling speed |
| 03:11.29 | GD12 | Got it |
| 03:12.47 | Vincent20100 | And being made by my empire of course, makes it at least 50% better |
| 03:12.55 | Vincent20100 | ^.^ |
| 03:13.15 | GD12 | hur |
| 03:13.21 | GD12 | rite |
| 03:13.24 | GD12 | ill finish up the ogre page tonight |
| 03:13.47 | Vincent20100 | Call now and profit of a discount up to 25% on some products! |
| 03:16.32 | Tek0516 | Vincent20100: So there's been a slight indirect retcon regarding Byzan. |
| 03:16.43 | GD12 | Does the addition of lightning/tesla weaponry make it any cooler? |
| 03:17.05 | Vincent20100 | PErsonnally, I think yes |
| 03:17.21 | Vincent20100 | I like using tesla weapons as anti-infantry |
| 03:17.28 | Vincent20100 | What Tek0516? |
| 03:18.00 | Tek0516 | Turns out we put Katar on the wrong side of the galaxy on the map so now Katar and by extension Byzan are literally on the other side of the Milky Way. XD |
| 03:18.25 | Vincent20100 | -_- |
| 03:18.31 | Tek0516 | Doesn't change the map, just which arm. |
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| 03:33.12 | GD12 | Thanks for the advice Vincent |
| 03:33.58 | Vincent_is_Away | Good night |
| 04:21.17 | Tek0516 | I get this ready and all the Katar and Byzan users are gone. >.< http://i.imgur.com/BJgGHgi.png |
| 04:36.21 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 04:36.21 | infobot | from memory, test is not funny |
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| 05:09.46 | Tek0516 | Hello |
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| 10:59.56 | Wormy_ | hi |
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| 11:18.21 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:22.29 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 11:42.15 | Knight_Alien | Hello |
| 11:52.13 | Wormy_ | I should stop looking at the youtube comment section, it is like a school yard of sniggering/angry peer groups |
| 11:52.52 | Knight_Alien | Any Youtuber who gains Popularity is targeted. |
| 11:53.20 | Knight_Alien | People on youtube who hate are usually Wannabes and Failures. |
| 11:54.28 | Wormy_ | One science channel Veratasium made an incomplete hypothesis, which Thunderf00t, who is an actual chemist set up an experiment falsifying it. TF wasn't treating Veratasium in any bad light, simply be that nature ruled him out, except in some way he might be right |
| 11:54.51 | Wormy_ | The video's comment section is now kicking off with hundreds of youtubers hating on Veratasium |
| 11:55.21 | Wormy_ | With lots of not very well thought out points |
| 11:55.30 | Knight_Alien | Those youtubers just needed a excuse to take a Jab at him. |
| 11:55.37 | Knight_Alien | And they found it. |
| 11:55.54 | Knight_Alien | I need to go for now. |
| 11:56.01 | Wormy_ | Because their hero Thunderfoot refuted him |
| 11:56.25 | Wormy_ | video in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ev_k__U3Io |
| 12:29.47 | Wormy_ | Weather in my county can get pretty damn harsh http://twentytwowords.com/wind-so-strong-it-stops-a-river-and-makes-a-98-foot-waterfall-disappear/ |
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| 13:39.24 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 13:40.30 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 13:40.42 | OluapWorker | hai! |
| 13:40.46 | Wormy_ | "Common inhabitants (and often combatants) of this inhospitable environment are: Zealot the Cleric, Professor Know-it-all, Professor Wiki-it-all, Armchair Activist, Keyboard Patriot, xxxEmoKidxxx, Blatant Illiterate (aka The Child who was Left Behind), Raging Homophobe, Capt. Conspiracy Nut and Sir Lastword of Ihavenojob-shire." |
| 13:40.49 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 13:40.59 | Wormy_ | of youtube |
| 13:41.50 | OluapWorker | What you on about |
| 13:42.46 | Wormy_ | Youtube comment section |
| 13:42.55 | Wormy_ | I should stop looking at the youtube comment section, it is like a school yard of sniggering/angry peer groups |
| 13:43.10 | Wormy_ | At least on the videos I watch |
| 13:44.13 | Wormy_ | "Reading YouTube comments on a video relating to politics, religion, stereotypes, and the like, will often compel those curious enough to let their eyes dangle at the mosh pit of insanity to wonder what has driven most of these people to achieve such great failure." |
| 13:44.41 | Wormy_ | "The comment section on YouTube is truly despicable, mainly due to a lack of moderation by the staff, video owners, and etcetera. True, the occasional intelligent person will seemingly slip through the waves of unintelligible jargon that YouTube renders endlessly, but they are often rare, like finding a lonely message in a bottle, floating among the waves in a sea of urine." |
| 13:46.45 | DarcySupremest | Its not the moderation's fault, its the programmers fault |
| 13:46.59 | DarcySupremest | Its a hilarious failure of design |
| 13:47.27 | DarcySupremest | Its designed to have the most busy and highly discussed comments at the top of the page |
| 13:47.32 | DarcySupremest | to encourage discussion |
| 13:47.39 | DarcySupremest | When in reality all it did |
| 13:47.53 | DarcySupremest | was push Racist and Vitriolic comments to the top |
| 13:48.15 | DarcySupremest | because someone being racist in the comments will usually lead to several people refuting them |
| 13:49.02 | DarcySupremest | and thus create discussion in that comment thread, and push it to the top only further increasing the discussion |
| 13:55.38 | Wormy_ | At the same time, I'm not against the way people use youtube's comments |
| 13:56.10 | Wormy_ | It would be no good if it would be policed, not that that is really possible |
| 13:59.47 | Hachiman | I'm so glad that half-term is so close |
| 13:59.58 | Hachiman | They're making us learn about perspectives and vanishing points and shit |
| 14:00.04 | Hachiman | It hurts |
| 14:01.29 | OluapWorker | u want 2 lern ur vanishin points |
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| 14:07.22 | Wormy_ | He was a vanishing point. |
| 14:07.27 | Wormy_ | http://phys.org/news/2014-10-eau-de-comet-bit-stinker.html |
| 14:07.39 | Hachiman | Also I had a cool thought for some small-scale fiction last night |
| 14:08.26 | Hachiman | A terrorist group consisting of artificial and synthetic intelligence rights extremists |
| 14:10.24 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
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| 14:20.42 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:21.01 | Vincent20100 | Hey Monet |
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| 14:22.19 | GD12 | hi |
| 14:22.40 | Monet | Hi |
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| 14:24.23 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 14:24.31 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 14:25.21 | Vincent20100 | Hey GD |
| 14:28.58 | Vincent20100 | I'm canadian and I can confirm this: http://i.imgur.com/0EMJPUD.png |
| 14:29.20 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 14:29.28 | Wormy_ | all three of you |
| 14:29.52 | Wormy_ | lul |
| 14:30.26 | GD12 | haha |
| 14:31.46 | Monet | Oh Canada. |
| 14:34.27 | Monet | Wormy: I found an interview in Empire magasine regarding Star Wars Rebels |
| 14:35.13 | Monet | Apparently its going to be 5 years before A New Hope and will deal with the formation of the Rebel Alliance. |
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| 14:35.50 | Monet | THat last part I am iffy of because I was sure that the Alliance was conceived in response to Palpatine's conversion of the Republic into the Empire |
| 14:36.21 | Vincent20100 | HO my gosh |
| 14:36.27 | Vincent20100 | Playing EU4 as portugal |
| 14:37.01 | Vincent20100 | got 258 rebels regiment spawning in 1 province of former Dai Viet |
| 14:37.12 | Vincent20100 | 258.000 rebels?!?!?!?! |
| 14:37.43 | Monet | And then you have the FOrce Unleashed stories that told that the Starkiller was the catalyst for Alliance figureheads to gather together. |
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| 14:39.25 | Vincent20100 | I will just let them die to attrition |
| 14:39.37 | Vincent20100 | And give in to Demands, since they are just peasants |
| 14:41.00 | Vincent20100 | I think the tax exemption will cost less then recruiting the army required to crush 258 regiments... |
| 14:52.23 | Wormy_ | Monet: I'm ignoring Star Wars from now on# |
| 14:52.49 | Wormy_ | They declare EU an alternative universe, then I declare their universe is in my mind. |
| 14:52.58 | Monet | Good enough for me. |
| 14:53.34 | Monet | Personally I prefer the idea the Rebel Alliance was formed by a group of disgruntled senators not long after the Empire was formed. |
| 14:53.48 | GD12 | Wait to swhats the new canon? |
| 14:53.57 | GD12 | Is the Rebel Alliance going to be different? |
| 14:54.09 | Monet | We're not sure yet. |
| 14:55.14 | Monet | But Star wars Rebels - set either five years before Episode IV or fivve years after Episode III - will be the story that leads to its formation |
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| 14:57.19 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 14:57.59 | GD12 | I see |
| 14:59.21 | TekDroid | Got a programming midterm in half an hour. |
| 14:59.31 | Monet | Best of luck |
| 15:01.53 | GD12 | good luck |
| 15:01.54 | TekDroid | Fairly simple stuff though. |
| 15:01.56 | GD12 | python? |
| 15:02.56 | Hachiman | So I just read up about how a renowned, historical samurai called Miyamoto Musashi had to take a long boat trip to go and face one of his enemies in a duel and he forgot to bring his sword. He ended up using one of the oars for his boat and pretty much owned his opponent with it despite the other dude having a sword. |
| 15:04.23 | GD12 | i heard of that too |
| 15:04.26 | GD12 | what a boss |
| 15:04.37 | GD12 | fitting he gets a giant battleship named after him |
| 15:04.46 | GD12 | *that he got |
| 15:04.56 | Monet | He did have a reach advantage. |
| 15:06.36 | TekDroid | Yeah, reach can be quite an advantage. |
| 15:07.27 | OluapWorker | grorious nippon wood |
| 15:13.11 | TheRealPanda | Basic understanding of fighting a spearman, as a swordsman without a shield: don't. |
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| 15:14.18 | GD12 | Vincent20100 : btw I finally finished outfitting the Ogre with about half of your suggestions from last night |
| 15:15.04 | GD12 | Aside from the mobile,easy to produce,large supplies of ammunition(depending on how big your defintiion of large is),stealthy, and cheap |
| 15:15.05 | Vincent20100 | SHow me some boobies! |
| 15:15.13 | Vincent20100 | Heu I mean, tanks of course... |
| 15:15.28 | Monet | TheRealPanda: So essentially Miyamoto won because improvised spear beats sword? |
| 15:15.55 | TheRealPanda | Well, I don't know the terms of the combat, but most likely yeah |
| 15:16.59 | Wormy_ | New Scientist diagrans are cool http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2928/29282101.jpg |
| 15:17.04 | GD12 | I'll get to it once I make a model for the Ogre on the weekend |
| 15:17.25 | Monet | I don't really see Miyamoto being easily rendered harmless due to a katana's cutting ability because bamboo and timber (I think that's what the oar was made from) are very different materials in regards to structure. |
| 15:17.25 | GD12 | Likely to be a two piece model given the parts i need for it |
| 15:19.47 | Hachiman | Basically what he had done was he carved an improvised bokken out of an oar when he was travelling |
| 15:19.47 | Monet | I have no idea on the type of wood Miyamoto's oar was made from, but I do know it would probably be a lot denser and harder than a bamboo pole. |
| 15:20.19 | Monet | Wait... |
| 15:20.29 | Monet | So he used a wooden sword? |
| 15:20.38 | Hachiman | An improvised wooden sword yep |
| 15:20.49 | TekDroid | Vincent20100: If you haven't seen this yet - http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141023063206/spore/images/c/c0/Scutum-centaurus_Arm.png |
| 15:21.00 | drom | Wormy: Too that this doesn't include every Sci-fi title. But... http://imgur.com/gallery/SZ2Hv |
| 15:21.38 | Vincent20100 | Tek: saw it this morning |
| 15:21.44 | Vincent20100 | And I must say... |
| 15:22.04 | Vincent20100 | I would like our territory to be a bit bigger please ^^ |
| 15:22.39 | Monet | Draconis - Does little fishy want to compete? |
| 15:23.14 | Monet | VIncent: THat map just shows how big a galactic ar mis |
| 15:23.35 | TekDroid | I tried to keep the scale reasonable. For example Dremarr being comparable to Drodo. |
| 15:24.04 | TekDroid | Actually I made one image that was full galaxy with just Farengeto marked last night. XD |
| 15:25.00 | Monet | I'm guessing that the average Katarian nation - were it inflated to be close to the size of that DI territory - would become a little unwieldy. |
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| 15:25.52 | Monet | [16:24] <Monet> I'm guessing that the average Katarian nation - were it inflated to be close to the size of that DI territory - would become a little unwieldy. |
| 15:26.08 | Tek0516 | See if you can even find the FTC on here. https://i.imgur.com/L0P9JULh.png |
| 15:26.56 | Monet | Hell if I remember o nthe map of the Katar Sector, Tyranny Space was just this massive forbodeing blob taking up almost a third of the map. |
| 15:27.02 | Tek0516 | Yep. |
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| 15:27.15 | Tek0516 | And there it's nothing |
| 15:27.24 | Tek0516 | gtg, midterm. |
| 15:27.29 | Monet | okay |
| 15:27.36 | Monet | I see a little black speck near the top |
| 15:27.43 | Tek0516 | Exactly. |
| 15:27.56 | Hachiman | The duel was stupidly short actually; he arrived to the duel incredibly late and looked like he just got out of bed in order to unnerve his opponent. His enemy went into a rage and tried attacking him and almost won but the sun had blinded him for a moment and Musashi used that to either 1) crack him in the skull or 2) break his ribs |
| 15:28.36 | Hachiman | Keep in mind his opponent was using a nodachi which is a colossal katana in basic terms |
| 15:28.53 | Monet | Big = slow |
| 15:28.57 | Monet | and clumsy |
| 15:29.36 | OluapWorker | I thought nodachi were ceremonial items, not weapons |
| 15:29.55 | Monet | Reminds me of that time Raphael Nadale (was it?) had a match, then went away during intermission and when he came back for the next set he looked as though he'd just arrived at the stadium ready to compete. |
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| 15:30.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:30.44 | GD12 | hello |
| 15:31.08 | Hachiman | It's largely a ceremonial item but it's still capable of killing and this was a personal duel rather than an actual battle where it would have come to a disadvantage |
| 15:32.37 | OluapWorker | Needs more curved greatswords |
| 15:32.39 | Monet | OKay I think I might know how he won |
| 15:32.39 | GD12 | should have used a dual sided nodachi huhu |
| 15:32.46 | GD12 | like darth mauls |
| 15:32.49 | GD12 | jk |
| 15:32.58 | Hachiman | Also the nodachi became a ceremonial item after this duel, which took place in 1612, while they lost popularity and became ceremonial in 1615 |
| 15:33.10 | OluapWorker | Fair enough |
| 15:33.15 | Monet | He pissed off his opponent and thus said opponent had his guard down. |
| 15:33.52 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 15:34.06 | Hachiman | Monet: His opponent actually had the advantage for a lot of the time, it's not like Musashi wasn't trying. The guy had apparently managed to slice off some of his hair with a swing that was supposed to take his head off |
| 15:34.13 | Hachiman | But yeah he was pissed hur |
| 15:34.38 | OluapWorker | dats cliche |
| 15:34.41 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
| 15:34.56 | Monet | Anger may be good for whacking but its not so good for a defensive mindset. |
| 15:35.30 | Monet | So yes while the guy still held up well in the duel, he still wasn't at peak performance. |
| 15:35.36 | Monet | Anger makes you do silly things |
| 15:37.06 | Hachiman | Aye and Musashi had, according to some, cheated by either doing that or actually arriving when the sun was about to go down which in turn apparently blinded his opponent when Musashi stood in front of it, which Musashi then used to break the guy's bones |
| 15:37.14 | Hachiman | Or both |
| 15:37.50 | Monet | Pragmatism often wins over honour |
| 15:38.13 | Hachiman | Although Musashi had turned up late to duels before because he knew it would piss people off and get them out of preparation and peak performance |
| 15:38.16 | Hachiman | The guy was a massive troll |
| 15:39.17 | Monet | In Medieval Europe, chivalry tended to vanish when on the battlefield itself to the point where knights would train their horses to bite and bash people with their hooves and mass. |
| 15:39.52 | Hachiman | Incidentally that fight was also the last one where he killed his opponent to attain victory |
| 15:42.04 | Hachiman | Needless to say, his enemy's supporters were pissed and he had to make a quick escape in order to avoid getting murdered by them, sailing back over the waters almost immediately after having won |
| 15:43.05 | Monet | Miyamoto - Imustleavebutthanksfortheduelseeyoubyebye! |
| 15:43.32 | drom | Hell. "Whale Probe" from Star Trek is just strange and irrelevant |
| 15:45.09 | Monet | I think one of the messages in IV was "humans aren't the only species on this planet who aliens are interested in" |
| 15:45.24 | Wormy_ | I liked the Whale Probe. Its unexpected like any new phenomenon, its alien, and doesn't see human-type intelligence as interesting. |
| 15:45.47 | Monet | For an STL civilisation it makes sense to communicate with a species that's been around a lot longer than we have |
| 15:46.24 | Wormy_ | It goes to show aliens might not be interested in us, they prefer to communicate with our gut bacteria, or think cities are superorganisms. |
| 15:47.47 | Wormy_ | Mind you I've disagree with that view lately, since humans are epistemologically unique on Earth. But then maybe there are subtle things more interesting than us on Earth to wildly alien, aliens |
| 15:48.31 | drom | The conecpt is smart. But I rather find it, strange. |
| 15:48.37 | Monet | I think it has a more current message too. Wasn't whaling a huge concern i nthe 80s? |
| 15:50.01 | drom | Yeah, and it's still a huge concern in the new 10s. |
| 15:50.27 | drom | Specially us in Nordic and Japan. |
| 15:50.46 | Wormy_ | I love strangeness in science fiction |
| 15:51.15 | Wormy_ | Especially when its influenced by strangeness from science |
| 15:51.49 | Wormy_ | though its only strange because of our limited perceptions/internal models |
| 15:52.22 | Wormy_ | science fiction is a way to escape it |
| 15:52.45 | drom | Tek0516: The recent Memorial Murder case is getting huge in the media. http://i.imgur.com/TqiorT5.jpg |
| 15:52.56 | Monet | It makes sense that Rodenberry or Nimoy would come up with such a message. |
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| 16:14.25 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 16:17.36 | drom | hoi |
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| 16:26.18 | drom | TekDroid: Time for feels? http://i.imgur.com/v2Kdbyo.jpg |
| 16:26.36 | TekDroid | Drom: Well given how often Canada gets a terror attack it's no surprise about media coverage. Especially since it went inside the Parliament buildings. |
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| 16:27.36 | Vincent20100 | No! |
| 16:27.50 | Vincent20100 | Please, don't hurt the kittens! |
| 16:28.37 | TekDroid | Surprisingly I haven't seen much about the shooter, which is a pleasant surprise. |
| 16:28.54 | drom | He's dead. |
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| 16:30.42 | Monet | Even better news! |
| 16:30.46 | TekDroid | Always nice when Canada isn't ignored. |
| 16:31.18 | Monet | Canada isn't ignored but the best way to beat terrorists is to try your best to ignore them |
| 16:31.51 | TekDroid | Yeah, so far I've only even seen oke image of the shooter. |
| 16:31.55 | drom | The shooter was killed by a parliamentary guard during a shootout in the parliamentary building. |
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| 16:32.22 | drom | And no one else were injuried. The only civilan killed was the soldier. |
| 16:32.44 | drom | Rumors still say that there's a second gunman on the loose. |
| 16:33.00 | Monet | Unsurprising |
| 16:33.21 | Tek0516 | Lots of remembrance For the soldier |
| 16:34.36 | Tek0516 | According to CTV, police are conformimg only one shooter. |
| 16:35.48 | drom | Vincent20100: Today ain't really the perfect time to make jokes about the shooting. |
| 16:35.57 | drom | Or even Cananda in general. |
| 16:36.05 | Tek0516 | Also the midterm I had to disappear for earlier was really easy. |
| 16:36.14 | GD12 | Thats great |
| 16:36.20 | GD12 | CS 4 lyfe |
| 16:36.23 | Vincent20100 | Drom, you know I'm canadian myself? |
| 16:36.33 | drom | Yes. But you should be aware about taht. |
| 16:37.23 | Tek0516 | Hardest question was ambiguity when I forgot about this image editing syntax. |
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| 16:38.59 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 16:40.03 | Vincent20100 | Hey Knight |
| 16:44.21 | Vincent20100 | Anyone here has played the new CK2 Charlemagne as a tribe? |
| 16:44.27 | Tek0516 | Not yet. |
| 16:44.37 | Tek0516 | Tribal doesn't require DLC though. |
| 16:45.09 | Vincent20100 | ok |
| 16:45.15 | Tek0516 | Otherwise they would have just made most pagans unplayable. ;P |
| 16:45.24 | Vincent20100 | Because I decided to do a new game as Russia (of course ^^) |
| 16:45.41 | Vincent20100 | After my rock'n roll game as a spanish lord |
| 16:45.52 | Vincent20100 | F*cking family |
| 16:46.10 | Vincent20100 | Give all new titles to my family memebers |
| 16:46.19 | Vincent20100 | they start marrying togheter |
| 16:46.22 | Tek0516 | I was doing a HRE count start but I've been having a crash glitch with Catholicism. |
| 16:46.33 | Vincent20100 | two third of them have at least one bad genetic trait |
| 16:47.02 | Tek0516 | Damn. |
| 16:47.08 | Vincent20100 | Revoked everything, hold all titles for about 40 years (for two charceters life time), purified my family |
| 16:47.20 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 16:47.28 | Vincent20100 | From more than 5000 living member, to about 300 |
| 16:47.46 | Tek0516 | O.O |
| 16:47.50 | Vincent20100 | re-breed some genius/strong/quick into the gene to repair it a bit |
| 16:48.08 | Tek0516 | Please tell me you added zeroes there. |
| 16:48.11 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 16:48.17 | Vincent20100 | And relanded only a third of the titles to family members, other went to random families |
| 16:48.48 | Monet | That's one of the flaws with the european monarchy - everyone's marrying each other and creating inbreeding. |
| 16:48.52 | Vincent20100 | Musulim took and good chunk of my land meanwhile with France trying to take Barcelona |
| 16:48.57 | Vincent20100 | yah |
| 16:49.04 | Vincent20100 | That's why from now on |
| 16:49.28 | Vincent20100 | Only 33% of land titles will be granted to my own family |
| 16:49.43 | Vincent20100 | It will limit inbreeding |
| 16:50.18 | Vincent20100 | AI seems to marry first for alliance, than claims, than relation and finally consider inbreeding |
| 16:50.35 | Vincent20100 | But I like have having huge families |
| 16:50.41 | Vincent20100 | Especially as a Catholic |
| 16:51.05 | Tek0516 | The trick is spreading them around. |
| 16:51.07 | Vincent20100 | Once your family pops start exploding, youcan just infiltrate the Curia ^^ |
| 16:51.18 | Vincent20100 | Matrilineal mariages helps too |
| 16:51.39 | Vincent20100 | It'svery rare I mary one of my girl reguliarly |
| 16:51.51 | Tek0516 | I should get that Abraham expansion at some point. |
| 16:52.18 | Vincent20100 | Is it the one introducing the college of Cardinals? |
| 16:52.24 | Tek0516 | Yeah. |
| 16:52.36 | Vincent20100 | I have it then |
| 16:53.15 | Tek0516 | I believe it also adds all the Jewish stuff. |
| 16:53.41 | Vincent20100 | yah |
| 16:53.57 | Vincent20100 | So, I pushed back France |
| 16:54.05 | Jepardi | http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/ayp9BxW_460s_v1.jpg |
| 16:54.12 | Vincent20100 | But musulim almost undid all my Reconquiesta work |
| 16:55.08 | Vincent20100 | Lost Grenada and Portugal |
| 16:56.38 | Vincent20100 | fortunatly, I retook the Pope and called for crusade |
| 16:56.53 | Tek0516 | I remember one flaw with CKII especially recently is an inability to prevent some of those megablobs from collapsing. |
| 16:57.33 | Tek0516 | *inability to cause the collapse of |
| 17:01.45 | Tek0516 | One of my favourite things with the latest update was people complaining how they were no lomger able to essentially rule an empire empire with only counts as vassals. XD |
| 17:02.44 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 17:02.44 | infobot | [test] not funny |
| 17:08.14 | Tek0516 | It got all quiet suddenly. |
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| 17:16.40 | Imperios | Hi |
| 17:16.52 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 17:17.32 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 17:17.52 | Monet | Hi |
| 17:17.52 | OluapWorker | impu |
| 17:18.03 | Hachiman | Imperios: I heard the Russian government is pushing for prohibiting Halloween celebrations due to it being an imported holiday and not a national one |
| 17:18.20 | Imperios | ...Eh? |
| 17:18.31 | Imperios | We never celebrated Halloween at all, not widely at least |
| 17:18.58 | Imperios | There were/are some parties though, but these were never widespread and mostly local, and these stay and remain |
| 17:19.15 | Imperios | In fact I am thinking about going to one myself |
| 17:19.28 | Hachiman | Go as an Asian |
| 17:19.29 | Hachiman | Wait |
| 17:19.39 | Monet | That's not very halloweeney |
| 17:19.57 | Imperios | Hachiman: Doesn't work, I am going to a *Korean* Halloween party |
| 17:20.05 | Hachiman | Imperios: Go as a samurai |
| 17:20.20 | Imperios | Hachiman: That's like going to a Jewish Halloween party as a Nazi hur |
| 17:20.30 | Monet | Or any party as a Nazi |
| 17:20.37 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 17:20.50 | Hachiman | Whoops |
| 17:20.56 | Hachiman | I laughed a bit too hard and clicked off |
| 17:20.56 | Imperios | "Russian government" in this case may mean "Milonov", and Milonov is an overall retard who constantly proposes stupid things |
| 17:21.21 | Imperios | I only remember a few of his laws ever actually passed |
| 17:21.33 | Monet | Imperios: Go as Jim Raynor. |
| 17:21.34 | Imperios | That homosexual propaganda one... and that's it, I think |
| 17:21.39 | Imperios | hur |
| 17:22.00 | Monet | I feel bad now |
| 17:22.05 | Hachiman | Go as one of the Jung family |
| 17:22.29 | Imperios | Monet: >Or any party as a Nazi |
| 17:22.36 | Imperios | Unless it is in Korea http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/20110912-nazi-01.jpg |
| 17:22.44 | Monet | Wat |
| 17:23.07 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 17:23.32 | Monet | http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00092/14810799_sun_92940b.jpg this is why I said "any party" |
| 17:23.33 | Hachiman | Women can't resist men in uniforms |
| 17:23.50 | Imperios | Nazis in general are less stigmatised in Asia for obvious reasons (Japan was an Axis country in the first place and the rest were terrorised by them, not Germany, so... yeah they aren't very hated) |
| 17:24.07 | Monet | What's funny is I swear the image on Prince Harry's armband is wrong. |
| 17:24.11 | Imperios | hur |
| 17:24.21 | Imperios | Hitler's also somewhat popular in India I heard |
| 17:24.30 | Monet | A few Indians joined him |
| 17:24.37 | Hachiman | Aye he had Indian troops |
| 17:24.40 | Imperios | Makes a lot of sense if you realise where the word "Aryan" and the swastika came from |
| 17:24.50 | Monet | Yeah that Swastika on Prince Harry's Armband is dead on straight. |
| 17:25.28 | Monet | So not only was he being a brick for going as a Nazi, he's also a brick for embalzoning the Swastika the wrong way round. |
| 17:25.39 | Monet | to what was intended |
| 17:26.11 | Tek0516 | Well if EUIV's culture groups taught me anything, Aryan is around India. And the swastika was some Indian religion's peace symbol or something, wasn't itM |
| 17:26.15 | Tek0516 | *? |
| 17:27.03 | Tek0516 | Well, the reversed version. |
| 17:28.49 | Monet | I learned that in China (or one of the Oriental countries) the symbol is used in street signs to indicate the location of a temple. |
| 17:29.42 | Monet | So I think its only really in Europe, North Africa and the US where you get "Swastikas = Nazis = Pure evil" |
| 17:30.12 | Imperios | Ya |
| 17:30.22 | Imperios | There are still Jainists |
| 17:30.42 | Hachiman | Keep in mind that there are also few Jews in Asia |
| 17:30.55 | Hachiman | Or at least the far East |
| 17:32.02 | Monet | Yes but were there concentration camps like Dakov and Aushuiz in the Far East? |
| 17:32.22 | Wormy_ | In school we were sent to a Hindu temple and afterwards, we had to make cards thanking them. Our teacher instructed us to safe way of making a swastika. However, he then jumped into racism when he said "if you do it the wrong way around, they will be cleansing and sweeping their temple for months and think you are a demon" |
| 17:32.28 | Hachiman | Well there was Nanking |
| 17:32.45 | Monet | The holocaust is what mainly turned the Nazis from another imperialist power into the physical incarnation of the evils of humanity |
| 17:32.55 | Imperios | Monet: Yes there were, and the Japanese were just as brutal, though in different ways |
| 17:33.07 | Imperios | They had their own Mengele, for example |
| 17:33.22 | Monet | Just for Jews? |
| 17:33.59 | Hachiman | What Japan did to China could be compared to what Germany did to Poland |
| 17:34.06 | Imperios | Well, there was never any group like the Jews in Asia, though the Japanese's conquest was also quite race-driven |
| 17:34.13 | Imperios | I'd compare it to what Germany did in Russia |
| 17:34.21 | Imperios | Hachiman: ...Nah |
| 17:34.23 | Hachiman | Yeah, that's more appropriate |
| 17:34.30 | Imperios | Korea's more like it |
| 17:34.42 | Imperios | Korea = Poland + Austria; China is more like Russia |
| 17:35.20 | Hachiman | Funny cuz China was in league with the Soviets |
| 17:35.35 | Hachiman | And Japan and Russia also had their fair share of battles |
| 17:35.54 | Monet | OKay so as far as I can work out, I take it in China, Korea the Phillipines and the Siam region Japan was the East's answer to Germany? |
| 17:36.09 | Hachiman | Pretty much |
| 17:36.28 | Monet | There's always been a slight communicatio gap between the two halves of the world |
| 17:36.29 | Tek0516 | Yeah. |
| 17:37.00 | Monet | So I can understand if Hitler's atrocities weren't as widely known in Beijing as they were in Washington or London. |
| 17:37.30 | Hachiman | In fact in some aspects Japan was considerably worse; while there are quite a few examples of Germany despising the uprising of the Nazi movement, from what I know there were almost no arguments against what the Japanese government was doing inside of Japan |
| 17:37.58 | Monet | Plus I think the countries talk less to each other i nthe East. |
| 17:38.02 | Imperios | That's pretty much while a great deal of Chinese and Korean people hate Japan more |
| 17:38.28 | Imperios | Germany apologised and changed completely, JApan never did |
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| 17:38.48 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 17:39.08 | Monet | In Europe it was pretty-much France, Russia, America and other smaller nations in constant contact with intelligence and news being spread around like a plague. |
| 17:39.23 | Hachiman | Japan is also currently going through lengths to remove parts of their history from official history books, such as what they did during the World Wars |
| 17:39.26 | Monet | America, England* |
| 17:40.45 | Monet | While the Korean public might not have known that much what the Japanese were doing in the phillipines or in southern China, most of the UK and French populations were wel laware of say Erwin Rommel's African campaign. |
| 17:41.18 | Monet | Then again I could be mistaken |
| 17:41.20 | Imperios | Korea was the first to be invaded and they essentially tried to stamp its culture completely for the entirety of their rule over it |
| 17:41.31 | Imperios | Well actually it was invaded earlier than that, before WWII |
| 17:42.14 | Monet | GCSE pretty much completely ignored what happened in the pacific theatre apart from the bombing of pearl harbour, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. |
| 17:42.31 | Monet | Pre-GCSE sorry |
| 17:42.37 | Imperios | #eurocentrism |
| 17:43.05 | Hachiman | The Rape of Nanking is perhaps too atrocious to be taught to pre-GCSE schoolchildren though |
| 17:43.06 | Monet | Yeah I was largely clueless at what went on at Midway and Iwo Jima. |
| 17:43.25 | GD12 | Another point - I've also heard that education is getting less rigorous in general for secondary schooling so perhaps that leads them to cover these things less in depth? |
| 17:43.34 | GD12 | or less things in general |
| 17:44.09 | Monet | At the very least you would have thought that they would teach kids about the occupation of Singapore. |
| 17:44.25 | GD12 | They don't do that in British School |
| 17:44.28 | GD12 | ? |
| 17:44.41 | Monet | Nope. I found that out watching Tenko. |
| 17:45.17 | Hachiman | I am willing to argue that WW2 was being fought for eight years rather than six due to conflicts in Asia which would later be recognized as causes for Japanese Axis activity |
| 17:45.42 | GD12 | I think thats valid as well |
| 17:45.47 | Ghelae | For my pre-GCSE history education, we went over both D-Day and the nuclear bombings in the final ever lesson. I think I learned more about D-Day in GCSE English. |
| 17:45.49 | Monet | Come to think of it...when it came to learning about Ancient Rome, I can hardly remember being told anything about it beyond Roman Britain. |
| 17:46.12 | GD12 | orly |
| 17:46.13 | GD12 | wot |
| 17:46.42 | Monet | I'd say Roman Britain was about 70-80% of the pre-GCSE curriculum |
| 17:48.01 | Monet | Nothing on the Punic Wars, nothing o nthe Triumvirate Wars, nothing about the Roman Republic, the most I knew of Julius Caesar, Mark Anthony and Cleopatra came from knowing SHakespeare's plays. |
| 17:48.53 | Monet | For..2 years it was mostly about Roman towns and Boudicca's uprising. |
| 17:49.16 | Monet | Roman engineering and a few archaeological sites. |
| 17:49.25 | Monet | Oh and Hadrians' Wall |
| 17:49.32 | GD12 | wait dumb question so eduation in england is like GCSE - A Levels - Uni? |
| 17:50.17 | Wormy_ | Myyeah# |
| 17:50.20 | Wormy_ | *yeah |
| 17:50.21 | Monet | GCSE is when you can start choosing what to study, but yeah that's 14/15+ in a nutshell. |
| 17:50.51 | GD12 | i see, thanks |
| 17:50.55 | Tek0516 | Canadian history: Columbus -> French explorers -> Pioneers -> Confederation -> WWI -> WWII -> Cold War |
| 17:51.01 | Tek0516 | That's pretty much everything |
| 17:51.23 | Tek0516 | They don't teach us anything ekse really. |
| 17:51.27 | Imperios | Monet: ..Weird |
| 17:51.29 | Wormy_ | My primary school was awful and I learned nothing there. Our week was most entirely Maths and English, we had some IT, a tiny bit if history, a tiny tiny bit of acting in our last year. |
| 17:51.29 | Monet | I talked with GCSE and A-Level History students and it turns out they don't learn much outside the 20th century. The bulk of it is WWI and WWII |
| 17:51.45 | Imperios | In Russia we have two separate history subjects: one dedicated to Russia, one to the rest of the world |
| 17:52.16 | Imperios | Since Russia's history begins in the Middle Ages we have one year devoted to global history only, from then on it is evenly split |
| 17:52.43 | Wormy_ | History in my school was Roman Brain, and the Tudors. |
| 17:52.50 | Wormy_ | *Britain |
| 17:53.05 | Monet | I remember being taught the Engish Civil War |
| 17:53.38 | Wormy_ | I learned nothing about maths because despite my clear problems the teachers didn't do shit to help me |
| 17:53.43 | Monet | Probably because during that time Oxford (a 10 minute busride from where I grew up) was Charles I's effective capital. |
| 17:53.58 | Tek0516 | Basically they teach us about the pioneers, explorers and a tiny bit on the native Americans for all of elementary school, then do a very Canadian-centric 10s-40s in one semester of high school. That's the Canadian history curriculum. |
| 17:54.03 | Wormy_ | Even after pressure from an external studying my progress |
| 17:54.49 | Monet | Wormy_: DId you do anything on the middle ages? |
| 17:55.17 | Wormy_ | My teacher was very mean to me. In the end my parents took me and home educated me and I learned a shitload more than I would have done, though both have teaching experience. |
| 17:55.23 | Wormy_ | nope |
| 17:55.42 | Ghelae | From primary school, I vaguely remember Ancient Rome (probably just Britain), Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece (which tied in with our geography topic of Greece), the Tudors, the Victorians, and probably the Dark Ages (there was a whole Viking-themed day which was actually run by followers of Asatru). |
| 17:56.03 | Tek0516 | I think we cover the middle ages in Grade 4 or something, so Middle Ages is basically they had knights and castles, and everyone spoke a really wierd English. |
| 17:56.17 | Monet | I did a bit but again, mostly Britain. My school kind-of glossed over the whole Crusades period aside from how RIchard the I left england and left king John in charge.. |
| 17:57.23 | Monet | I remember my class spent a lesson on the feudal system and the teacher separated the rows of desks into tiers. |
| 17:57.25 | GD12 | Ghelae : Random question, what math class are you taking this term? |
| 17:58.17 | Monet | One girl sat on a chair on a table and was the monarch, sitting on the tables were the lords, sitting in chair were the knights and everyone in the back rows had to sit on the floor. |
| 17:58.19 | Ghelae | My maths modules are Mathematical Medicine and Biology and the poorly-named Differential Equations (we've done plenty and still do plenty of differential equations; "asymptotic methods" would have been a better name). |
| 17:58.34 | Imperios | Mathematical Biology |
| 17:58.36 | Ghelae | Next semester I'm doing Game Theory. |
| 17:58.41 | Imperios | ...how that works |
| 17:58.50 | Wormy_ | We had a "Tudor man" come into our class, dressed as a man from the Tudor period. He actually brought a musket and fired it in the school field |
| 17:58.53 | GD12 | Ooh, nice |
| 17:58.55 | Imperios | Okay I am a mathematical linguist so I probably am a hypocrite hur |
| 17:59.07 | Ghelae | You can describe things like how populations evolve and how biochemical reactions take place. |
| 17:59.39 | GD12 | ngh I always have shedule conflicts for game theory so ip robably cant take that |
| 18:00.12 | Monet | Tek0516: "everyone spoek really wierd english" did you ever read Chaucer's Canterbury Tales in their original form? |
| 18:00.17 | Ghelae | I would have taken Coding and Cryptography instead of Differential Equations this term, and then done Topics in Scientific Computation next term, but... didn't. |
| 18:00.37 | GD12 | Coding and Cryptography is great fun |
| 18:00.47 | Monet | The wierdness of Shakespearian English has nothing on Chaucerian English. |
| 18:01.00 | Tek0516 | Uh... I think we had some guy wearing a kmight costume say a paragraph in old English. XD |
| 18:01.00 | Ghelae | Although because I put CCR on my module choices back in the spring, I was able to access the lecture notes for it online so I downloaded them onto my laptop. |
| 18:01.03 | GD12 | I'm doing Real Analysis, Abstract Algebra, Fourier Analysis, and Stochastic Processes next sem hopefully, then hopefully topology , abstract algebra and sets after that |
| 18:01.14 | GD12 | Ahh cool |
| 18:01.23 | GD12 | The UK college systems sounds really cool |
| 18:01.28 | GD12 | graduate in 3 years |
| 18:01.30 | GD12 | and no bs classes |
| 18:01.37 | Wormy_ | Appled and Environmental http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/geology/ugcourses/aeg |
| 18:01.39 | Monet | Classes as in... |
| 18:01.54 | Monet | Because we still have lectures over here |
| 18:02.24 | GD12 | That and a drinking age of 18 doesn't sound bad |
| 18:02.28 | GD12 | classes = lectures |
| 18:02.30 | Ghelae | My physics modules are called Atoms, Photons and Fundamental Particles (we've done nuclear physics and scattering so far), and Solid State Physics, but this semester I'm also doing a project titled "Non-Equilibrium Dynamics of Simple Open Quantum Systems", which involves using analytical and numerical methods to solve the equations of motions for density matrices. |
| 18:02.49 | Wormy_ | UK has lecture theatres too lol |
| 18:03.26 | Ghelae | Finally, there's a Natural Sciences Synoptic Module, where we get put into groups of six and have to do a few science research and communication projects together. |
| 18:03.30 | GD12 | nice |
| 18:03.35 | GD12 | Thats very cool |
| 18:04.36 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.45 | ImpyDroid | Do you understand anything about limits? |
| 18:04.49 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 18:04.57 | Wormy_ | There is a lot of (classical) physics in geology. I think planetary science one does look into quantum physics |
| 18:04.57 | Monet | My weekly schedule for this term is: Photoshop and Autodesk Maya sessions on Monday, Film studies on Tuesday (where we atch an old film and have to review it later), Wednesday is life drawing, thursday I have lectures and seminars on Cultural Context, Friday I have Adobe Suite and animation lessons. |
| 18:04.59 | ImpyDroid | Rite |
| 18:05.22 | ImpyDroid | I am currently trying to understand what I have to do with them |
| 18:05.49 | Wormy_ | Though in Atoms to Rocks, we did do atomic/nuclear physics (in a geochemical context) and the inner workings of stars |
| 18:05.50 | ImpyDroid | How are you supposed to prove equations with limits using their definition formula? |
| 18:06.07 | Tek0516 | My term consists of Physics, Calculus, Linear Algebra, Engineering Core, and programming. |
| 18:06.42 | Wormy_ | I still love the Coloumb Barrier lecture |
| 18:07.16 | Ghelae | I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean, but my experience with limits generally involves rearranging (and sometimes, using l'Hopital's rule, differentiating) to avoid any division by zero, then basically substituting the limit itself as the relevant variable. |
| 18:07.46 | Monet | One of my cultural context lecturers likes to intersperse his presentations with memes, demotivationals and lolcat pictures. |
| 18:07.56 | ImpyDroid | Hur |
| 18:09.04 | GD12 | do you mean using epsilon delta? |
| 18:09.28 | GD12 | or what? |
| 18:25.23 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: http://33.media.tumblr.com/effc6e25cba075c167cada26a3086261/tumblr_ncmit3fgIY1snsr3no1_400.jpg |
| 18:25.51 | Hachiman | hur |
| 18:26.07 | drom | ImpyDroid: http://imgur.com/gallery/JgYKinT |
| 18:26.29 | ImpyDroid | Hero dog |
| 18:33.03 | GD12 | Wow |
| 18:33.05 | ImpyDroid | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141023183104/spore/images/6/6b/Lowborn_Klaxxa.png u wot m8 |
| 18:33.09 | GD12 | I'm finally done with the Ogre page hur |
| 18:33.37 | GD12 | now I just have to make an image for it some time |
| 18:34.34 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Ooh I like |
| 18:36.08 | OluapWorker | ImpyDroid: Oddly cute hur |
| 18:36.11 | drom | GD12: Whenever I hear "Orge", I either thinks Shrek, but also the big mecha unit from CIV:AC |
| 18:37.17 | drom | welp. the civ is coming out tomorrow |
| 18:37.24 | drom | and I can't hold my wallet anymore |
| 18:37.29 | GD12 | aye thats pretty awesome |
| 18:38.43 | GD12 | The Ogre is probably my most well-described vehicle on the entire website. I've spent the past 4 days or so just adding shit to its description hur |
| 18:38.55 | Tek0516 | Beyond Earth comes out tomorrow? |
| 18:39.18 | drom | yes |
| 18:39.48 | drom | GD12: Heh, probably worth a nomination to next's month featurations. |
| 18:40.07 | GD12 | perhaps when it gets featured in AD |
| 18:40.19 | GD12 | since its slated to see combat 2795 |
| 18:40.25 | GD12 | but AD is at mid 2794 |
| 18:40.30 | GD12 | and resumes in two months hur |
| 18:43.01 | drom | I see. |
| 18:47.31 | drom | I'll probably do the same with my new superdreadnought that I created few days ago. |
| 18:48.15 | drom | But the pace will be slow as I will get to work on this until Cyrannian comes and sees it. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dromlexer/Sandbox#The_Cyrandi_Rebellion |
| 18:49.00 | GD12 | colbeans |
| 18:52.28 | drom | The story is going to be about the life of a female rebel living in a CIS world which NC conquered during the New Cyrandia War. |
| 18:53.38 | drom | It happens that NC has total zero-tolerance policy against armed resistances. Like every empire to exist. |
| 18:56.35 | drom | Hachiman: I suppose you have already seen this? http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/850/718/d4d.png |
| 18:58.59 | Hachiman | Yep |
| 19:00.56 | *** join/#sporewiki OfficerJackal (458b2eec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.139.46.236) |
| 19:01.04 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:01.51 | drom | heck, I'll be creating more pictures tomorrow |
| 19:06.10 | Imperios | Rite I am making that chart |
| 19:06.21 | Imperios | OluapWorker: Remind me what gods do humans worship again |
| 19:07.13 | Imperios | I know what god my guy will worship but I can't remember the name |
| 19:08.12 | OluapWorker | Sarenrae |
| 19:08.39 | Imperios | Oh yes that dude |
| 19:08.42 | Imperios | *lady |
| 19:12.33 | Tek0516 | Oh yay, Space Engineers update. |
| 19:14.02 | drom | mmm... extra dark oboy milk |
| 19:15.01 | drom | Which length would be the most ideal for a super dreadnought. So I won't go too far on the length? |
| 19:15.59 | GD12 | well |
| 19:16.03 | drom | Star Wars' super star destroyer is around 18 km long. |
| 19:16.07 | Imperios | OluapWorker: http://pastie.org/9670970 dere |
| 19:16.32 | GD12 | 30 - 40 km if you want it noticeably bigger than an ssd |
| 19:16.35 | GD12 | idk |
| 19:16.44 | OluapWorker | The hell is up with your scores |
| 19:16.51 | Imperios | I dunno hur |
| 19:16.52 | drom | hm. it's more of a bigger target then |
| 19:16.58 | OluapWorker | Something's wrong there |
| 19:17.02 | GD12 | CyraEmp's executor class is 32 km iirc |
| 19:17.15 | GD12 | depends on how much bigger you want it to be than an ssd |
| 19:17.40 | OluapWorker | Did you pick "5d6 best 3" on your dice? |
| 19:17.50 | drom | bah, i wish i could do D&D but I can't seem to find ideal partners. |
| 19:17.59 | Imperios | I think it's because I made my char old |
| 19:18.14 | OluapWorker | Did you pick "5d6 best 3" on your dice or not? |
| 19:18.29 | Imperios | No, standard |
| 19:18.33 | Imperios | I think it's the old modifier |
| 19:18.43 | OluapWorker | Roll new number sunder that dice then |
| 19:18.51 | Imperios | I dunno I could remove it but lore-wise my dude is supposed to be old |
| 19:18.52 | OluapWorker | I probably should've warned you of this before |
| 19:20.40 | drom | I personally think the one without captions is better. What do you guys think? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dromlexer/Sandbox#Mou.27Cyran_Accords_Member_List |
| 19:23.31 | Imperios | Right I fixed it but my Str and Dxt are still pretty low |
| 19:23.58 | OluapWorker | Lemme see |
| 19:24.02 | Ghel | drom: The one without captions doesn't have the problem of sngle words being cut up and spread across multiple lines. |
| 19:24.27 | Imperios | http://pastie.org/9670990 Basically bad STR and DXT everything else is ok |
| 19:24.53 | OluapWorker | Yoru char is a cripple hur |
| 19:25.20 | Imperios | He's supposed to be super-old yah |
| 19:25.41 | Ghel | Although in case you didn't notice, the NCR flag links to "Fiction:New Cyrannian Republic'" with an apostrophe at the end. |
| 19:26.15 | OluapWorker | If you're willing to have him with such low scores, you can do it |
| 19:26.22 | OluapWorker | After all you do get some bonuses out of being old |
| 19:26.33 | OluapWorker | And you have spells and stuff which don't need strength |
| 19:27.16 | drom | Ghel. Thanks, I'll fix it if Cyrannian likes it. |
| 19:27.27 | drom | Otherwise I'll just leave it and collect dust. |
| 19:27.55 | Imperios | OluapWorker: I actually got special feats in case I get trapped like before |
| 19:28.07 | Imperios | Basically I can use spells without moving my hands |
| 19:28.12 | drom | GD12: Trying to get some original alternative callname for "super dreadnoughts" |
| 19:28.15 | Imperios | Once in a while |
| 19:28.19 | OluapWorker | I see |
| 19:28.29 | OluapWorker | Post this link on my Skype please |
| 19:28.32 | drom | And I like the word "Man'O'War" |
| 19:28.38 | GD12 | Titan |
| 19:29.56 | drom | Hm, good one. |
| 19:30.08 | drom | Goliath |
| 19:30.09 | Tek0516 | "a small gathering of people huddle around an object on fire, chanting ritualistically a repetitive song in unison until the fire is blown out and a knife is stabbed into the object" |
| 19:30.55 | Tek0516 | a.k.a. singing Happy Birthday |
| 19:31.06 | GD12 | Goliath is good |
| 19:31.22 | drom | Tek0516: Sounds almost like what would be a next chapter for "Lord of Flies". |
| 19:31.43 | Tek0516 | Saw it in an imgur gallery. |
| 19:32.00 | GD12 | How about COlossus or Behemonth or Gargantuan or Leviathan |
| 19:32.15 | drom | Noice. |
| 19:32.56 | Ghel | That's six different names. You could have six different types of super-dreadnought with that. |
| 19:33.11 | drom | Aheh. |
| 19:33.24 | drom | Now I wonder, which one would fit the best for Naakji. |
| 19:33.46 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (188a1d68@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.138.29.104) |
| 19:33.56 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 19:34.08 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:34.23 | drom | Naakjian's native language has the characterics of extremely raspy vocal pronounction and few constants. |
| 19:35.05 | GD12 | aye hur |
| 19:35.15 | drom | Hey. |
| 19:35.17 | GD12 | I'm just throwing the names I use for big Dominatus ship categories out there hhaha |
| 19:35.39 | drom | Aheh. |
| 19:37.02 | Ghel | You could even go for Jötunn or Ettin. |
| 19:39.10 | drom | Or "pristis" which means either, sea-monster (leviathan), orc or dragon. |
| 19:39.13 | drom | in latin |
| 19:40.00 | ImpyDroid | Grendel |
| 19:42.05 | GD12 | Grendel's mom |
| 19:43.44 | Monet | Grendel seems to be the only mosnter i nthe saga with a proper name. |
| 19:44.02 | Monet | Grendel - named. His mum - Simply called "grendel's mother", the dragon - has no known name |
| 19:45.36 | ImpyDroid | I think Grendel is a nickname as well |
| 19:46.34 | drom | ragnarök, erebus, avatar |
| 19:46.45 | ImpyDroid | Something to do with the modern English words "grin" and "dell" |
| 19:46.59 | ImpyDroid | "The one who died/was cut laughing" or something |
| 19:47.15 | drom | I aint' making it easy for me and others. |
| 19:47.51 | Ghel | A ship called the "Ragnarök-class Jötunn" works well. |
| 19:49.13 | drom | This super dreadnought is called "Jamaymus" |
| 19:56.46 | drom | Thanks for all your inputs. They gave me a good ol consideration. |
| 19:58.01 | drom | psch, "Leviathanought" |
| 19:59.14 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho (5604212f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.4.33.47) |
| 19:59.25 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:59.41 | OluapWorker | spu bai |
| 19:59.42 | drom | Hey |
| 20:00.06 | GD12 | hi |
| 20:00.27 | drom | GD12: One step up: "Super Leviathan"? |
| 20:01.38 | GD12 | possibly hur |
| 20:01.41 | Hachiman | Aww yiss Imp posted his character sheet |
| 20:01.47 | Hachiman | All ready for the weekend |
| 20:03.04 | Xho | hao bout u do dawn warden story and stahp keepin me waitin |
| 20:03.30 | Hachiman | Xho: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1510955965817787 |
| 20:04.55 | Xho | Hachiman: "You need to know that I can do flips faget" - Nu |
| 20:05.38 | drom | Alright guys. It will be "Leviathan". Thanks for all the inputs! |
| 20:06.18 | GD12 | yay |
| 20:06.22 | Xho | leviathan 4 wat |
| 20:06.34 | drom | The new Naakji superdreadnought. |
| 20:06.53 | Xho | rite |
| 20:06.57 | drom | I was looking for an alternative callname for the "super dreadnought" class. |
| 20:07.25 | drom | As "Leviathan" has been chosen. It will be named as "Jamaymus-class Leviathan". |
| 20:07.40 | drom | And it's gonna be, real big. |
| 20:08.50 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@134.117.249.113) |
| 20:09.07 | drom | suffocates by the unhandable super-optimism* |
| 20:11.39 | drom | GD12: Can I haz Cyrannian's biggest supership? |
| 20:11.46 | drom | (link) |
| 20:12.47 | GD12 | His biggest ship is 260 km and is a one of a kind thing that only anteddy uses |
| 20:12.56 | GD12 | his biggest normal ship is the nemesiss class, which is 60 km |
| 20:13.16 | drom | Xho: http://i.imgur.com/Jr6Nxhh.jpg |
| 20:13.18 | drom | Welp. |
| 20:13.37 | Xho | heh |
| 20:14.15 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/0HHmCZs.jpg |
| 20:16.02 | drom | Xho: Since you work in printing. http://imgur.com/gallery/zIdnOLV |
| 20:16.04 | GD12 | after that his next biggest ship is 30 something kilometers long |
| 20:16.52 | Xho | "at least red ink is full" |
| 20:17.14 | Xho | I should note that's a digital printer component hur |
| 20:19.18 | Xho | Probably an image drum by the looks of it |
| 20:21.12 | TekDroid | *causes existental crisis in Katar and Byzan* http://i.imgur.com/jpdy0bV.png |
| 20:22.46 | GD12 | durhur |
| 20:25.41 | Wormy_ | demon light is a bad omen |
| 20:26.05 | Xho | o rly |
| 20:26.22 | Wormy_ | Tek: I really like the map |
| 20:26.41 | TekDroid | zooms out for distance to Andromeda |
| 20:26.44 | TekDroid | O.O |
| 20:26.52 | Wormy_ | I find empire territories a bit larger than they necessarily be. But thats becausae the maps are 2D. Anyway, well done |
| 20:27.25 | TekDroid | Well actually the Katarian territories are on the same scale as they were on Angrybirds's Milky Way map. |
| 20:27.44 | Monet | Its still a pretty good example of how big galaxies are |
| 20:28.19 | TekDroid | Indeed. |
| 20:29.09 | drom | Oh man. This ship is going to VERY bulky if I set its' length to 42.7 kms |
| 20:29.24 | TekDroid | I'm mostly just using part of the arm for my purposes. The perspective is interesting though. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141023063206/spore/images/c/c0/Scutum-centaurus_Arm.png |
| 20:29.43 | Monet | drom: Big ship. Lots of material i nthat. |
| 20:29.53 | TekDroid | O.O |
| 20:29.59 | Monet | I predict the estimated tonnage to be in the billions. |
| 20:30.07 | drom | Monet: Yep, limited availability of those ships. |
| 20:30.34 | drom | And I have currently set the weight to ~1,400,000 tons |
| 20:30.41 | GD12 | estimates that in two months drom will have created a superleviathan |
| 20:30.48 | drom | Which is, 1,400,000,000 kilograms |
| 20:31.47 | TekDroid | In four months his leviathans will collapse and begin nuclear fusion |
| 20:32.10 | drom | kek |
| 20:32.17 | Ghel | Isn't a Superleviathan a Jörmungandr? |
| 20:33.04 | Xho | That's a Superduperleviathan |
| 20:33.09 | TekDroid | In 6 months his leviathans collapse into a black hole |
| 20:33.20 | Ghel | I think I'm coming up with names for Fjord League ships here. |
| 20:33.36 | drom | Ghel, actually, I liked that one most. |
| 20:33.48 | Xho | Next it's gonna be a NÃðhöggr |
| 20:34.06 | GD12 | Perhaps Fenrir |
| 20:34.09 | Xho | Dammit |
| 20:34.11 | TekDroid | In 12 months the supermegagigaleviathan triggers the big bang |
| 20:34.29 | Xho | Which is called a Ragnarok hur |
| 20:34.57 | GD12 | Then yggdrasil class supermegagigateraleviathn |
| 20:35.35 | drom | "''Jormungandr''-league Ultra Dreadnought" |
| 20:36.32 | GD12 | I'd put a lower bound for the ship at 20km and an upper bound at 40km) |
| 20:36.39 | GD12 | if you haven't already decided on it |
| 20:36.46 | drom | I imagine the ship having a white dwarf within itself and uses it as it's sole energy source. |
| 20:37.03 | Xho | Not even the Xhodocto went to that length hur |
| 20:37.16 | Ghel | Description page: "The Yggdrasil-class Jörmungadr is so large, it can carry an entire battlefleet of Ragnarök-class Jötnar inside its hangar bays." |
| 20:37.20 | GD12 | isn't the smallest xhodocto cruiser 80km? |
| 20:37.27 | Xho | I don't know really |
| 20:37.36 | Xho | The Dominion have no canonical ships |
| 20:37.38 | drom | The largest so far is 60 km. |
| 20:37.51 | GD12 | drom : the largest what? |
| 20:38.07 | Xho | Though its been implied that Xhodocto constructive methods tend to span astronomical units rather than kilometres |
| 20:38.19 | GD12 | Xhodcoto Exodus - 13000 AU |
| 20:38.22 | drom | You know dat USD? |
| 20:38.33 | GD12 | the Nemesis? |
| 20:38.37 | drom | Yep |
| 20:38.39 | GD12 | Cyrannians? |
| 20:38.44 | drom | Yep. |
| 20:38.46 | GD12 | Thats not the largest ship on the wiki |
| 20:38.52 | Xho | Exodus is closer to 50,000 from what I remember |
| 20:38.55 | drom | oh wel |
| 20:39.04 | Xho | Then again I don't even remember what its initial purpose was |
| 20:39.26 | GD12 | Then Madum Kadur is also giant |
| 20:39.26 | drom | I see that the "unique design length" is around 250 km on that one |
| 20:39.31 | GD12 | but measured in km |
| 20:39.32 | Xho | Some kind of portal device probabl |
| 20:39.34 | GD12 | aye |
| 20:39.36 | Xho | probably* |
| 20:39.41 | GD12 | unqique design length is 250 km for nemesis |
| 20:39.47 | Ghel | I think the purpose of most Xhodocto megastructures is to be really big. |
| 20:39.49 | Xho | I dunno, I don't really remember any of the Xhodocto ships |
| 20:40.10 | Xho | Since Xhodocto kind of transcend existence ships aren't really in their agenda any more |
| 20:40.13 | GD12 | The Xhodocto Colossus is a massive Xhodocto carrier ship, currently used by the Cult of the Deathmarch. |
| 20:40.18 | GD12 | 382ft long, 106ft wide |
| 20:40.50 | Xho | I probably intended it to be much bigger but never edited the page again after that |
| 20:40.54 | GD12 | anywho |
| 20:40.54 | drom | GD12: You once talked about bounds. What did you mean about it? |
| 20:41.20 | GD12 | 20 km <= super dreadnaught length <= 40 km |
| 20:41.56 | drom | Hm. Out of curiousity and sheer optimism, what your bounds on Ultra dreadnoughts? |
| 20:42.23 | GD12 | if( 20 <= sd.length && sd.length <= 40){ return true; } else { throw new Exception ("out of bounds " ) } |
| 20:43.07 | GD12 | *for future reference |
| 20:43.09 | GD12 | well |
| 20:43.14 | drom | And I can imagine if this ship would about to crash land into a planet, it would oblierate the whole planet's surface. |
| 20:43.16 | GD12 | i mean |
| 20:43.20 | GD12 | if you want to go bonkers |
| 20:43.33 | GD12 | you could just shit sanity out of the window |
| 20:43.44 | GD12 | and make ships larger than 100 km |
| 20:43.50 | Monet | The bigger the ship the more of a pain it is to keep it structurally sound |
| 20:43.54 | GD12 | whistles and looks elsewhere |
| 20:43.57 | Ghel | Eventually, you stop having a starship and end up with a Death Star. |
| 20:43.59 | GD12 | ^^ |
| 20:44.08 | drom | GD12: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/b/b5/RedBonk.png/250px-RedBonk.png?t=20111211062119 |
| 20:44.32 | Xho | Hence why the larger Kicathian ships are around 23km |
| 20:44.52 | Ghel | In the end, you have a huge space habitat with a hyperdrive. |
| 20:44.59 | GD12 | except for the supercarrier |
| 20:45.06 | Xho | Though there are installation carriers which do carry Dreadnought class ships |
| 20:45.07 | GD12 | which carries those 23km ships around |
| 20:45.11 | Xho | c |
| 20:45.16 | GD12 | aye dere |
| 20:45.22 | drom | i c |
| 20:45.37 | Xho | Those are probably around 55 - 60km |
| 20:45.48 | GD12 | Probably i'm the person with the stupidly big ships, though my empires dying anyways |
| 20:46.39 | GD12 | or dead depending on where you look on the timeline |
| 20:47.26 | Xho | Most of the Kicath's truly large stuff probably take the form of whatever you call those black hole energy extractamajiggers and ringworld constructs |
| 20:47.45 | GD12 | Halo |
| 20:47.47 | drom | if (sanity.Exists == true) { do while (!sanity.Exists) { Brain.Mentality.Psych.Dump(Brain.Mentality.Psych.Sanity) } } |
| 20:48.24 | GD12 | that doesn't do anything hur |
| 20:48.45 | GD12 | if sanity.Exists is false it never gets into the if loop |
| 20:48.53 | GD12 | If its true it never gets into the do while |
| 20:49.19 | Ghel | SporeWikiverse tech should allow you to stick entrances to basement universes inside much smaller vessels, making large ships obsolete. You can stick all of the weapons and engines you need inside a fairly small object and just fire them out through portals. |
| 20:49.27 | drom | do while loops does something until the said condition has changed. |
| 20:49.58 | Ghel | Then following this logic, you should end up with a superdreadnought inside a TARDIS. |
| 20:50.11 | GD12 | ahh i thought that was just a while |
| 20:50.31 | drom | It even works as "while () {}" loops. Or else "do {} while ()". |
| 20:50.36 | GD12 | curls up into a ball and abandons hope of pursuing a Computer Science PhD |
| 20:50.47 | Monet | Ghel: Hey I considered that idea for my DI arcs |
| 20:50.50 | DrodoEmpire | Ghel: The weapons themselves would need to actually need to physically fit through the "hole" and would they be able to have good lines of sight? |
| 20:50.50 | Monet | arks* |
| 20:50.51 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 20:51.10 | drom | The alternative is "do {}" loops with a "break;" inside it. Preferably an if loop. |
| 20:51.11 | GD12 | well there are no voids/methods which change state of sanity inside that if loop |
| 20:51.19 | DrodoEmpire | You could have a lunchbox-sized dreadnaught but would the missiles physically fit through the portals made? |
| 20:51.25 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 20:51.27 | Ghel | I'm sure they could have good lines of sight, but yes, there's a limit to the size of the missiles that can leave. |
| 20:51.48 | DrodoEmpire | Plus that just sounds utterly frivolous imo; I'm a traditionalist of course but just my opinion |
| 20:51.50 | Ghel | That is, until you invent remotely-expandable portals. :P |
| 20:51.52 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 20:52.16 | drom | GD12: Unless you create a mainframe for that. |
| 20:52.17 | Ghel | A lunchbox-sized spaceship would at least make for a very small target. |
| 20:52.39 | GD12 | rite, well i didn't assume that for the program |
| 20:52.44 | DrodoEmpire | But for advanced targeting computers and homing missiles it wouldn't be very difficult much at all. |
| 20:53.29 | DrodoEmpire | I doubt the production costs, at least early on would be worth it and they seem somewhat vulnerable to getting their legs swept out from under them by cyberwarfare or other methods; Such as disconnected the pocket universe or do other disruptive methods |
| 20:53.34 | DrodoEmpire | *disconnecting |
| 20:53.46 | drom | GD12: I'm going to dump my sanity anyway. But it's however limited to only 3 finished products of those due to production time and resource usage. |
| 20:54.23 | GD12 | regarding the superdreadnaught |
| 20:54.26 | GD12 | i see |
| 20:54.55 | Ghel | You'd probably be better off using it as an additional feature, at least at the start: a more reasonable-sized ship with an on-board basement universe for extra supplies. |
| 20:55.12 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps |
| 20:55.38 | drom | Ghel physically saying: What's a "basement universe". |
| 20:55.49 | DrodoEmpire | For storage I think that technology would be incredible; Imagine how easy logistics would become |
| 20:55.57 | DrodoEmpire | Its just for weapons... I'm not sure |
| 20:56.03 | Ghel | As for homing missiles, they would definitely make the small target size worthless, unless the small size with the potential for huge amounts of propulsive power allow the ship to out-accelerate any missile (unless that missile itself has a pocket universe of fuel inside...) |
| 20:56.14 | Wormy_ | Ghel: Thats a very trippy ship indeed |
| 20:56.32 | DrodoEmpire | Opening portals to fire stuff could leave open that "pocket universe" to be fired in, |
| 20:56.57 | DrodoEmpire | and what happens if the portal isn't big enough for the missiles or projectiles? :P |
| 20:57.04 | Ghel | That's true, but any more true than opening a weapons port allows weapons to be fired into the guns? |
| 20:57.20 | DrodoEmpire | I just think its exposing what is then the innards of the ship to unnecessary risk |
| 20:57.32 | DrodoEmpire | Except firearms are *far* different from ship cannons |
| 20:57.50 | Ghel | And you already mentioned the possibility of portals being too small to fire projectiles out of. |
| 20:58.04 | Wormy_ | It is kind of like how I imagine the hyperspatial aliens. To it, its looking through two portals to realspace in its small field of vision, but in realspace, thats means a giant eye is looking through portals millions of light years apart. |
| 20:58.09 | DrodoEmpire | Imagine if you had to open up the broadside of a ship to fire its cannons; exposing it to fire and leaving it without the protection afforded by armour |
| 20:58.20 | DrodoEmpire | I added that point for the sake of completness. |
| 20:58.23 | Xho | "Science" - Nu |
| 20:59.14 | drom | Science, bitch! |
| 20:59.41 | GD12 | forces Xho to explain all the Xhodocto shenanigans with science |
| 20:59.53 | Xho | "Aliens" |
| 21:00.05 | Ghel | If you have an entire basement universe at your disposal, there's no need for the weapons to be anywhere near vital parts (besides issues of how far you can transfer power and get maintenance done), so any portals that open to the weapons don't need to open up near, say, a power plant or crew. |
| 21:00.08 | GD12 | tl;dr aliens go away |
| 21:00.35 | Xho | Fine |
| 21:00.38 | DrodoEmpire | Like, I'm under the assumption that this pocket universe would house the innards of the ship, and by using portals in order to fire, you expose at the very least the weapon and its ammunition/power supply to unnecessary risk. |
| 21:00.40 | Xho | "q" |
| 21:00.55 | GD12 | huhu |
| 21:00.56 | Wormy_ | The way I imagine what Ghel is saying, there could be a basement universe/wormhole space linked to various parts or nodes in realspace, which are small ships or ship functions |
| 21:00.59 | DrodoEmpire | And we all know what happens if someone shoots live ammunition... |
| 21:01.11 | DrodoEmpire | Even if you're on the other end of the ship, its not gonna be good |
| 21:01.14 | Ghel | I still don't see how that's any more dangerous than having the guns on a ship that isn't inside a pocket universe. |
| 21:01.22 | GD12 | tl;dr clarketech solves alot of problems |
| 21:01.40 | Ghel | In that case, enemies can target the weapons all the time, not just when a portal is opened. |
| 21:01.48 | Xho | Perhaps that's how the Kicath managed to get an oracle hypercomputer in their ships |
| 21:01.59 | DrodoEmpire | Well, the guns there can be behind armour or on the outside of the ship, while the targeting systems, ammunition and powersupply can be safely put behind armour and shields. |
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| 21:02.09 | drom | The purpose of this ultra dreadnought is to raise the army value and build weaponry against other strong dreadnoughts. |
| 21:02.18 | drom | Preferably with immense force. |
| 21:02.26 | GD12 | wait |
| 21:02.31 | DrodoEmpire | And the ammunition can't be so easily isolated from the weapons as the power supply; It needs to be able to be loaded quickly. |
| 21:02.32 | GD12 | i thought we were only at superdreadnaught |
| 21:02.36 | Ghel | Why do you assume you can't have armour and shields as well as a basement universe? |
| 21:03.03 | drom | GD12: Because I have gone full bonkers. My sanity is in the dumpster already. |
| 21:03.22 | GD12 | whats the tech level of the naajs again? |
| 21:03.46 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps armour plating and shields can be put, yes. |
| 21:04.24 | Wormy_ | Xho: Weather where I live: http://twentytwowords.com/wind-so-strong-it-stops-a-river-and-makes-a-98-foot-waterfall-disappear/ |
| 21:04.43 | drom | GD12: Tier 2, but it have been a time, so it's less than 2 now. |
| 21:04.59 | GD12 | drom : is big ship building a racial specialty of the naajs? |
| 21:05.20 | Xho | Wormy_: Britain, because fuck logic |
| 21:05.23 | GD12 | Well did it start at low tier 2? |
| 21:05.31 | GD12 | Did it get there through its own advancement or civilization stuff |
| 21:05.51 | drom | Considering that they have no concept of economy, Anarchy market. |
| 21:06.52 | drom | So. Trading is almost impossible due to lack of currency. |
| 21:07.31 | GD12 | Rite, how does that relate to bigships? |
| 21:07.38 | GD12 | (the lack of trading) |
| 21:08.00 | drom | Nah, it's not related to that. |
| 21:08.14 | GD12 | Heres my advice |
| 21:08.30 | GD12 | since you want big ships |
| 21:08.41 | GD12 | ultra dreadnaught - 70 km |
| 21:08.51 | GD12 | super dreadnaught - 40 km |
| 21:08.52 | drom | To ensure their safety, they have to control and enforce their territory with strongest power possible. |
| 21:08.54 | GD12 | dreadnaught - 30 km |
| 21:08.56 | GD12 | *20 |
| 21:08.59 | GD12 | 20 km |
| 21:09.10 | GD12 | capital ship - 10 km |
| 21:09.13 | GD12 | cruiser - 5 km |
| 21:09.22 | Monet | Gd12: The Naakji rely on Civilisation tech |
| 21:09.24 | Wormy_ | All so puny compared to the hundreds of millions of km SporeWikiverse had in less rigorous times |
| 21:09.43 | drom | Yep. |
| 21:09.59 | Wormy_ | Empires like the Jovar and Sylit reallu did have Solar System sized carriers ngh |
| 21:10.13 | TekDroid | O.O |
| 21:10.14 | Wormy_ | At least until I started moaning |
| 21:10.17 | TekDroid | ...wat. |
| 21:10.21 | GD12 | How do those proportions sound drom? |
| 21:10.33 | drom | GD12: Well. The length is more closer to super dreadnaught than to ultras. |
| 21:10.43 | drom | (~57 kms) |
| 21:11.00 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:MushrumKing/Ship_Taxonomy_Blog |
| 21:11.01 | GD12 | i'm pretty sure i said the upper bound for supers was 40 hur |
| 21:11.12 | Xho | Hachiman: I just remembered that the original Sol Niger Within release has the Cosmic Vagina Dentata Organ piece |
| 21:11.17 | Xho | so much did not expect |
| 21:11.24 | Wormy_ | I'm pretty sure there were ships with millions of AU on an older blog |
| 21:12.03 | drom | Wormy_: Geezuh |
| 21:12.09 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 21:12.34 | GD12 | drom : i mean how big do you want it? |
| 21:12.59 | drom | GD12: What would you prefer? Maximine so much as possible? |
| 21:13.35 | Wormy_ | Check out Jeff Russel's Starship Dimensions http://www.merzo.net/ |
| 21:13.45 | drom | Wormy_: Seen it. |
| 21:14.31 | GD12 | if you want to absolutely bonkers |
| 21:14.36 | GD12 | Make your largest ship |
| 21:14.42 | GD12 | at least for the next 6 months |
| 21:14.44 | GD12 | 100 km |
| 21:14.46 | GD12 | there |
| 21:14.47 | drom | Somebody in my friendslist on Steam is watching "How the Grinch stole Christmas." for halloween movie night. |
| 21:14.54 | drom | Legit? |
| 21:15.00 | Monet | Nahh |
| 21:15.15 | Monet | Its wierd, and perhaps creepy, but not scary |
| 21:15.33 | Xho | drom: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=330300915 Well I did post this yesterday |
| 21:16.25 | drom | Xho: funny how it's relevant because our local CN (Cartoon Network) starts their chirstmas event programme in early Novemeber. |
| 21:16.49 | Xho | hur |
| 21:16.57 | Wormy_ | Basement universes, wormhole networks and of course, Xeelee artifacts will always be the biggest |
| 21:17.03 | drom | Which tells me: http://vinylmationkingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Jack-nightmare-before-christmas-14506235-1280-800.jpg |
| 21:17.04 | drom | Anyone? |
| 21:17.38 | Xho | drom: wat about it |
| 21:17.40 | Wormy_ | Everything is puny in comparison to the Xeeleeverse |
| 21:17.57 | drom | Xho: "Nightmare before Christmas". geddit? |
| 21:18.02 | Xho | sà |
| 21:18.19 | Xho | Wormy_: Unless you take the theory of Chaos being a construct of the Xhodocto hur |
| 21:18.24 | drom | The programme literaly starts after the halloween. |
| 21:18.29 | drom | olol |
| 21:18.47 | Wormy_ | True, but the Monads created whole multiverses in their sleep |
| 21:19.03 | Xho | Xhodocto - well fuck them |
| 21:19.23 | Wormy_ | Alright Xeelee stuff = Xho's stuff in titanicness |
| 21:19.43 | drom | "extra" "extra" - "another empire gone bonkers: builds ultra dreadnaughts" |
| 21:19.50 | Wormy_ | Then maybe Doctor Who and TGGL |
| 21:20.34 | Wormy_ | TTGL |
| 21:20.38 | Ghel | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
| 21:20.50 | drom | seeya |
| 21:20.50 | *** part/#sporewiki Ghel (0597007d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.0.125) |
| 21:20.51 | Wormy_ | bye |
| 21:21.07 | Xho | I forgot how maddening the full version of Sol Niger Within was, definitely something you don't want to listen to if you're tripping |
| 21:21.09 | GD12 | drom : so are you settling on that size? |
| 21:21.31 | GD12 | drom : I mean who do the naajs even want to go to war with? |
| 21:21.35 | drom | GD12: y not? |
| 21:22.06 | drom | it's to have an once-for-all reserve plan |
| 21:22.21 | GD12 | rite |
| 21:22.21 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgSlmkj9v8#t=141 So it looks like a the hoverboard has been invented |
| 21:22.40 | GD12 | I should add that such a ship will require lots of maintenance |
| 21:22.52 | GD12 | And that oftentimes, new technology is generally unreliable |
| 21:22.54 | drom | Xho: Morelike a hoverblock |
| 21:23.06 | Xho | well fuk ur pedantry cuz it a hoverboard |
| 21:23.26 | drom | dis is logic |
| 21:23.35 | Xho | fuk ur logic |
| 21:23.58 | drom | fuk ur aggorance den |
| 21:24.01 | GD12 | drom : then theres also the part that for a single ultradreadnuahgt you could have built tons of smaller ships |
| 21:24.08 | GD12 | again, just practicality considerations |
| 21:24.19 | GD12 | I go bonkers on ships too :) |
| 21:24.36 | Wormy_ | Xho: Hoverbikes already exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpko3CPHonQ# |
| 21:24.59 | drom | GD12: Understandable, even if it can beat everything (not implying about anything superior than it), it need a fleet to maxizime the efficiency. |
| 21:25.22 | Wormy_ | https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/1022476/photo-main.jpg?1401833038 |
| 21:26.23 | GD12 | What other considerations do i have for ultra dreadnaughts |
| 21:26.25 | drom | And if it did have anti-fighter/point-blank defence weaponry. I guess it'd have least 500 of those scattered across the ship. |
| 21:26.47 | Wormy_ | Ooh test pilot needed http://www.hover-bike.com/MA/news/ |
| 21:27.01 | GD12 | my last consideration is that for most purposes its overkill and that unless engaging a peer power, will spend most of its time sitting in a dockyard |
| 21:27.03 | drom | If not sparse, I can only see the exaggration of 4000+ of those cramping the surface. |
| 21:28.41 | drom | Which is the current Xonexi date? |
| 21:28.49 | drom | 2804? |
| 21:29.13 | Wormy_ | I'm still 4-5 years behind |
| 21:29.19 | drom | We really need a scripted clock |
| 21:29.26 | drom | So am I with my fiction. |
| 21:29.41 | Xho | We do have a scripted clock |
| 21:29.50 | drom | where |
| 21:30.07 | Xho | It's on download somewhere |
| 21:30.16 | Xho | Current date is October 4th 2804 |
| 21:30.39 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah; Tek made it |
| 21:30.50 | TekDroid | On my user page. |
| 21:31.45 | drom | I see. |
| 21:31.49 | drom | Thanks |
| 21:33.40 | drom | welp put my images in wrong place |
| 21:37.40 | GD12 | drom : now you have to figure out its armaments |
| 21:37.51 | drom | Yep. |
| 21:37.57 | drom | And pimp out the drives too. |
| 21:38.32 | drom | Nobody will notice that those will be pimped, because Naakji hyperdrives emit purple color. |
| 21:39.57 | Xho | My fiction is roughly 8 years behind now |
| 21:40.12 | Xho | And it will probably stay there since I have no desire to progress it any more |
| 21:40.52 | GD12 | Xho : Don't worry my fiction is 10 years behind now |
| 21:48.43 | GD12 | gtg |
| 21:51.08 | TekDroid | My fiction is technically 10, 8 and 2 years behind. XD |
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| 21:52.36 | Zillafire101 | Hello all. |
| 21:54.23 | drom | Wormy_ Which type of torpedo do you believe to be the most powerful against antimatter-resistant ships? |
| 21:57.33 | TekDroid | *12, 10 and 8 years behind |
| 21:57.37 | TekDroid | *2 |
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| 22:32.36 | drom | Alright, time to go. |
| 22:34.48 | drom | Wormy_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Jamaymus-class_Jormungandr |
| 22:35.23 | Wormy_ | Test |
| 22:35.34 | Wormy_ | Antimatter resistant ships? |
| 22:35.56 | drom | i wondered if they do even exist |
| 22:36.58 | Wormy_ | I think once the shields are bypassed, thats it |
| 22:37.23 | drom | Wormy_: You better be saving your long answers in a pastebin. Because I have got to go now. |
| 22:37.25 | drom | See ya |
| 22:37.30 | Wormy_ | Even something like neutronium would be useless, since antimatter would sink through it. |
| 22:38.19 | Wormy_ | Maybe a layer of holeums might resist it or eat it away. |
| 22:38.44 | Wormy_ | If you are reading this, I've told you to look at the logs. |
| 22:41.35 | Wormy_ | Types of shielding could deflect it, I imagine non-phasic shields using repulsive gravity are very good and maybe even come into action if the primary shields go offline. Very advanced might even use wormholes, the Culture for example has a trapdoor mechanism that can displace internal explosions. |
| 22:42.46 | Monet | It is hard ot say how to make something antimatter-resistant since antymatter tends to react with any kind of baryonic material. |
| 22:46.43 | Hachiman | Simple answer; you can't lol |
| 22:49.52 | Monet | Well you can contain it with a magnetic field |
| 22:50.06 | Monet | But you need a very strong magnetic field |
| 23:14.09 | Wormy_ | Maybe there is a way to create an ablative antimatter armour |
| 23:14.44 | Wormy_ | Which is suspended above normal matter with internal forcefields, sounds extremely dangerous though. |
| 23:15.27 | Angrybirds | If the power goes out for even a second. xD |
| 23:18.40 | Wormy_ | Watch_Dogs http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141023231814/spore/images/0/09/Casual_explosion.png |
| 23:19.14 | Wormy_ | I thought that was a cool image |
