IRC log for #sporewiki on 20141016

00:03.03Knight_AlienSo DarcySupremest do you have any Fiction?
00:04.23DarcySupremestWorking on it now, I have dozens and dozens of fractions of pages of fiction and as of right now I am working on consolidating it so I can get my pages and empire in the fiction started
00:05.10Knight_AlienAh.
00:05.16Knight_AlienSo what are they Called?
00:06.53DarcySupremestThe Arcanium
00:07.18DarcySupremestvery warhammer 40k inspired grimdark stuff
00:07.47Knight_AlienI love 40K inspired stuff.
00:08.22Knight_AlienMy Empire , The Eldarisian's are mostly based off of the Eldar.
00:08.32Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire
00:08.41DarcySupremestWhat Galaxy are you ballin in brother?
00:08.52DarcySupremestBunsen
00:09.33Knight_AlienYeah.
00:09.52DarcySupremestMine are more based on the Imperium, as in that whole, Insane levels of Industry and dictatorship, warhungry and Xenophobic because 'thats what god wants'
00:10.09Knight_AlienThe Bunsen doesn't have much going on.
00:10.27Knight_AlienOh , a new Imperium would be good for some.
00:11.11DarcySupremestI'd like a meatgrinder to justify that level on industry and war but thats proving a little harder then I thought
00:12.39Knight_AlienWell when you first start usually they are Tier 4 so you may want to boot up your techies if you want to wage war.
00:13.10Knight_AlienAnd Alliances with other factions that think alike would help.
00:15.13DarcySupremestAre these tiers on a prexisting scale?
00:18.34Knight_AlienLike for example youre Imperium is already Tier 3?
00:18.42Knight_Alien*Your*
00:19.52DarcySupremestYeah I mean, where is the scale these Tiers are based on, so I know what being Tier 3 is?
00:20.49Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Wormulon/Tier_instruction_manual Here
00:21.15Knight_AlienI can awnser questions in afew minutes , I will be right back.
00:21.57DarcySupremestI'm gonna run off and have a shower anyway so its fine
00:22.17Knight_Alienok
00:25.39DarcySupremestokay that makes sense, now I know what everyone is talking about
00:25.50DarcySupremestAnyway i'm gonna go run and have a shower, brb
00:37.14DrodoEmpiretest
00:39.03Knight_AlienFinally I turned my Empires mian space station into a sort of Vegas (Minus the Sin city)
00:39.57Knight_AlienDid you see it Drodo?
00:40.52Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Space_station_Ether#City
00:42.48DrodoEmpireNot yet.
00:42.51DrodoEmpireI'll see.
00:43.25Wormy_STOKnight_Alien:  Thats the old Tier scale
00:44.00DrodoEmpire"Old" Tier scale, Wormy?
00:44.01DrodoEmpire:P
00:44.04Knight_Alienoh.
00:44.04DrodoEmpireWhat do you mean?
00:44.14Knight_AlienWait their is a new one?
00:44.20DrodoEmpire^
00:44.21Wormy_STOhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Tier_Scale_V3
00:44.23DrodoEmpireYeah...
00:44.48Wormy_STOSorry its a bit of an essay, still a work in progress but nearly there
00:44.57Wormy_STOI'll put it on a forum soon
00:44.59DrodoEmpireWhat was wrong with the old one?
00:45.21DrodoEmpireWas there any consensus or prior approval for this "superior" one? :P
00:45.32DrodoEmpireI personally find the current one to be just fine
00:45.35Wormy_STOhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Tier.2FClass_scale_merger
00:46.02Wormy_STOMev and Ghelae merged the tier scale and class scale
00:46.25Wormy_STOThe tier scale still has the same format, but its much more flexible
00:46.43Wormy_STOI certainly don't need permission to edit my scale thank you :P
00:46.51DarcySupremestRooooitingio I'm back again
00:47.14Wormy_STOThe older *version* (I should say) had problems
00:47.16DrodoEmpireWell, Wormy if this effects the entire fictionverse you sort of do. :P
00:47.23DrodoEmpireJust saying.
00:48.07Wormy_STOThen I'd tell you about it
00:48.17DrodoEmpireNot to be argumentative, but I'm a little surprised I haven't heard much of this
00:48.40DrodoEmpireSo this is more of a minor adjustment than anything else?
00:48.41Wormy_STOThe third version has been about for a while and I've talked about it many times.  Its also up to people to listen
00:49.08DrodoEmpireSo its the one we've been using, then?
00:49.34*** join/#sporewiki Technodroid_ (~androirc@149.254.182.152)
00:49.45Wormy_STOBasically, the older tier scale was too linear, and I wasn't sure what do with Tier 2
00:50.32Wormy_STOGhelae had revolutions in class scale, so we merged the two.  Tier 2 is the hyperspatial revolution that links a megastructural civilisation to a Tier 1
00:50.48DrodoEmpireI see,
00:50.54DrodoEmpireSo its the one we've been using, then?
00:51.00Wormy_STOIf you look at Tier scale V3, thyere is no Tier U
00:51.05Wormy_STOyeah
00:51.27DrodoEmpireAlright, sorry about the misunderstanding
00:51.38Wormy_STOInstead the new scale allows for multiple types of alien civilisations (i.e. swarms or hiders) for each tier
00:52.10Wormy_STOFair enough. I understand why, it hasn't been formally announced and maybe you wasn't there whenever I've discussed it
00:52.37DrodoEmpireIts possible I wasn't paying attention to the chat, yeah
00:52.48Wormy_STOIn fact, its about finished.  I can make a forum about it tomorrow.
01:11.00DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Superweapon - Completely rewrote this section.
01:11.33DrodoEmpirePlease; Take a look and provide some feedback!
01:14.56Wormy_STOI liked the congealed blood explanation
01:15.28DrodoEmpireThanks
01:18.42Knight_AlienI love it.
01:19.16DrodoEmpireThanks!
01:20.08Knight_AlienIt makes sense and the weaknesses and Strengths even out.
01:20.49DrodoEmpireRight
02:02.58DrodoEmpiretest
02:21.40*** join/#sporewiki GD12 (427591e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.117.145.231)
02:21.50GD12Hello
02:23.24GD12DarySupremest : Do you have any new ideas on your fiction?
02:23.31GD12or any developments regarding it?
02:31.20DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Superweapon - GD12 redid the superweapon section
02:31.50DarcySupremestOh sorry GD12 I didn't see you talking to me
02:32.27DarcySupremestI am currently in Early Space stage now and pretty much read to release the history drafts
02:32.28GD12DrodoEmpire : BRAINS
02:32.33DrodoEmpirehur
02:32.33GD12i see
02:33.12DarcySupremestI still need to do appearence and military stuff plus like government structure but those are going to be added incrementally to the page once its up
02:33.37GD12i see
02:34.46DrodoEmpireAny thoughts GD?
02:35.59GD12Well, you should perhaps include a section on how able the superweapon is at penetrating forms of nbc protection
02:36.07GD12like the equivalents of hazmat suits or hermetically sealed rooms
02:36.33DrodoEmpireWhy would it need any of those capabilities?
02:36.53DrodoEmpireThe undead can bite through them ideally, and its only occasionally delivered by air
02:37.17DrodoEmpireAs well its main target is at civilians; Its a terror weapon
02:38.12DarcySupremestOkay I might nip out for a feed, if anyone is still on in like 15 minutes or so this might be ready for the fist readers
02:38.31DarcySupremestfirst*
02:38.50GD12ill be on int 15 minutes
02:38.58DarcySupremestsweet
02:39.10GD12Well how effective would the initial infection be if the entire planet was under some sort of biohazard safety protocol?
02:39.20DarcySupremestwell I'ma go drive somewhere and grab something greasy and horrible for me
02:39.21DarcySupremestso brb
02:39.34GD12And how effective would the initial infection be against NBC armored troops?
02:40.07DrodoEmpireThe initial infection is supposed to be unexpected and secretive; Before those protocols are initiated
02:40.28DrodoEmpireOr at the very least a surprise attack.
02:40.47GD12rite, got it
02:42.01DrodoEmpireThe military would be facing the undead themseleves; NBC would mostly be frivolous and a detriment to the infantrymen (due to NBC suits generally being uncomfortable) seeing as airborne transmission isn't common and only used for the initial introduction when using missiles
02:43.03DrodoEmpireIf they aren't using the correct ground tactics as well, they could very easily lose the battle. :P Tanks, automatic weapons, and most artillery wouldn't be very effective against zombies
02:46.07DrodoEmpiretest
02:55.36DarcySupremestOkay back
03:02.02GD12DrodoEmpire : I see
03:04.26TekDroidWouldn't things like automatic weaponry be very effective though?
03:04.44DrodoEmpireNope
03:05.08DrodoEmpireYour aim is to hit the brain; Automatic weapons not only waste bullets but are far less accurate
03:05.15DrodoEmpireWhen going full-auto
03:05.55DarcySupremestActually Drodo, Battle of Yonkers?
03:06.13DrodoEmpireHm?
03:06.17DrodoEmpireWhat about it?
03:06.21TekDroidTrue, but it would still shred the rotting flesh on contact. And if they're in hordes you have large numbers clustered close together.
03:06.26DarcySupremestThis is what you mean right
03:06.28DrodoEmpirePlus, you might damage the zombie to the point where it is at a crawl; making it even more dangerous
03:06.35DrodoEmpirePretty much Supremest
03:06.44GD12cough cough high explosive
03:06.47TekDroid^
03:06.49DrodoEmpireSo tek? You're not killing it.
03:07.16DarcySupremesthttp://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yonkers
03:07.21TekDroidA nice napalm strike should do some decent casualties.
03:07.26GD12I suppose zombies would be quite effective in close quarters urban combat
03:07.26DarcySupremestRead it
03:07.43DrodoEmpireIn fact your just making more work for yourself; Killing them afterwards assuming they haven't crawled up and bitten your ankle
03:07.54GD12But besides that, I doubt they'd be very effective in combat with large lines of sight
03:08.05TekDroidGD12: Agreed
03:08.10DarcySupremestPut it this way, most modern weapons currently are designed to maim
03:08.12DarcySupremestnot kill
03:08.18DarcySupremestbecause humans can die of bloodloss and shock
03:08.23DrodoEmpireTek: In the long run and your unconcerned about massive fire damage from them spreading fire everywhere
03:08.26DarcySupremestZombies don't die unless the brain is gone
03:08.33GD12Not really, since you have twice the amount of time to shoot them if they are crawlin (i'm assuming crawling zombies are slower)
03:08.39GD12Well
03:08.53GD12If I bombed your house with a MOAB i'm quite sure that would kill you
03:08.55DrodoEmpireOnly slightly; And you have to adjust your aim
03:09.13DrodoEmpireSure it would; But it would be a waste and only if it caused massive brain damage
03:09.19DrodoEmpireAgainst undead
03:09.34DrodoEmpireModern tactics are woefully inadequate against the undead, in short
03:09.37GD12It wouldn't be a waste if it the undead were gathered in a horde methinks
03:09.43TekDroid^
03:09.47DrodoEmpireIt would damage most of them
03:09.54DrodoEmpireMaim them pretty bad, sure
03:10.00GD12*completely destroy
03:10.18DarcySupremestSeriously, read that Article on the Batlle of Yonkers, specifically the subsection on why the Zombies won
03:10.23DarcySupremestit answers all these questons
03:10.28DarcySupremesthttp://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Yonkers
03:10.44DrodoEmpireBut only the fraction which actually got a fatal brain-hit from it would be "dead"
03:11.02DrodoEmpireAs for high explosives? Same argument.
03:11.23DrodoEmpireThe best tactics against zombies are napoleonic line and square tactics under a modified capacity
03:11.23GD12Well short of completely killing a zombie, it would completely immobilize it
03:11.26DrodoEmpireSo>
03:11.29DrodoEmpire*?
03:11.46GD12Well, its essentially a kill since the zombie is prevented from being of further use
03:11.46DrodoEmpireIt'll still crawl towards you or bite your ankle while you pass by; That is *not* enough
03:11.48GD12i.e.
03:11.55GD12if you have no arms/legs you cant move
03:12.26GD12And if im not making sense
03:12.27DrodoEmpireSo? It'll lay there for years or decades and if it bites a single person in that time you could have an entire new outbreak
03:12.29GD12look
03:12.30GD12http://deoxy.org/gif/torched.jpg
03:12.42DrodoEmpireSomething tells me I don't want to
03:12.44GD12Thats from the Perisan Gulf War, American airstrikes using modern weapons against Iraqis
03:12.55GD12NO way in hell a Zombie would survive that
03:13.02GD12the brain would be utterly toasted
03:13.12TekDroidIt'd also starve eventually, would it not?
03:13.20DrodoEmpireThey don't feel hunger.
03:13.26DrodoEmpireOr thirst or anything
03:14.10TekDroidI know some kinds do experience starvation or totally decay, depends on the fiction though.
03:14.16DrodoEmpireIt'd have to rot, which would take a *long* time for the undead considering most microbes avoid them in the first place due to the weird nature of the undead virus in Brook's books (WWZ, Zombie Survival Guide)
03:14.24GD12If an artillery shell/missile/bomb can't kill or disable a zombie, then a bullet through the head would be pretty useless
03:14.30TekDroid^
03:14.33GD12However
03:14.37DrodoEmpireNo, it NEEDS THE BRAIN TO BE DESTROYED
03:14.39GD12all of this depends on how realistic we want to be:)
03:14.45DrodoEmpireHave you been *listening*?
03:14.46DrodoEmpire::P
03:15.13GD12Well, a high explosive bomb going off right next to you and your buddies will blow up your brain as well as any bullet
03:15.15DrodoEmpireExplosives *can* kill them, obviously; It just isn't efficient as many will survive
03:15.19DrodoEmpireOf course it would
03:15.31GD12It is very efficient if they are in a horde
03:16.01DrodoEmpireBut in a tight horde many may survive as you have the ones in front, on top, or behind you to act as meatshields for your very small and specific target
03:16.08DrodoEmpireHumans are very fragile in comparison
03:16.12GD12Well, this depends on how realistic you want your zombies to be.
03:16.15TekDroid^
03:16.31DarcySupremestHate to break the arguement here but can I ask what the general method of FTL is used in the fictionverse
03:16.36DarcySupremestis it just a warpdrive:?
03:16.41DrodoEmpireWarp or Hyperspace usually
03:16.44TekDroidThe problem here is that there's so many vastly different interpretations of them
03:16.49GD12warpdrive/ hyperdrive for more advanced people
03:16.55TekDroidWarp or hyperspace depending on tech.
03:17.04DrodoEmpireI'm using the Max Brooks or Romero zombie as my basis
03:17.14DarcySupremestI'd imagine Hyperspace is more advanced?
03:17.14GD12Under the constraints of Max Brooks zombies, you are absolutely correct
03:17.21GD12Yes hyperspace is more advanced
03:17.26GD12However
03:17.28DarcySupremestRoighto
03:17.31DrodoEmpireAnd those are the general constraints I *use*
03:17.34GD12Max Brooks ZOmbies aren't all that realistic imo
03:17.50TekDroidGenerally warp until high tier 4, some use transwarp for high tier 4, then tier 3 and up is typically hyperspatial.
03:17.55GD12^
03:17.56DrodoEmpireOf course they aren't; They are a completely self-sufficient organism
03:18.27DrodoEmpireWhat is your point?
03:19.00GD12My point was that in real life, a cluster bomb airbursting near someone would do at least as good a job a sniper
03:19.06GD12*at taking out the persons head
03:19.08DrodoEmpireOf course it would
03:19.34GD12but i was derping so i was just wondering where you got the zombie durability from :)
03:19.35DrodoEmpireBut the thing is that with these zombies there is only one way to kill them, as opposed to the dozens of ways for a person to die
03:19.47DrodoEmpireAlright. Sorry.
03:20.08GD12Yeah, no problem I derped a lot
03:20.25GD12There have been stupider debates involving us
03:20.28GD12like the arrow in plane thing
03:20.31GD12hur
03:20.41DrodoEmpireNot really; You debated well even if it was a misguided premise in your opinion
03:20.47GD12Aye, thanks
03:21.19DrodoEmpirePersonally I should have made more stuff evident from the start so there wouldn't be such a miscommunication. :L
03:21.45DrodoEmpireAnyway, I need to go now.
03:21.48DrodoEmpireNight, everyone
03:21.57TekDroidNight
03:22.08GD12bai
03:22.26GD12DarcySupremest : Are you still going to show us the sneakpeak thing?
03:22.27TekDroidMy morning lab was canceled so I can stay up an extra 3 hours if I wanted. XD
03:22.50DarcySupremestYessir I just want to finish this section on and its pretty much done
03:24.44GD12TekDroid : The life of a college CS student :)
03:25.48TekDroidWell more specifically Monday was the Thanksgiving holiday so the week's lab schedules would get screwed up.
03:26.32GD12hur
03:27.04GD12I very likely wont be able to IRC next semester
03:27.17GD12Given my courseload is some form of deathwish that is self inflicted
03:28.55TekDroidI'm still 1st year.
03:29.21TekDroidSo mine isn't too bad yet.
03:30.44GD12Technically I'm still a first year, but I'm a masochist
03:30.59TekDroidO.o
03:31.01GD12I'm physically addicted to stress hormones
03:32.13TekDroidYou sound like one of my friends from high school. XD
03:32.55GD12Well if you have any Fresh OFf the Boat Asian Friends, you can probably figure out how I am based off that
03:32.56DarcySupremestOooookay all done!
03:33.34DarcySupremestas much as I can do alone has been done, the rest of it will be ironed out by talking with others but yeah
03:33.45DarcySupremestI'll put it in my dropbox
03:35.11GD12link?
03:35.40DarcySupremestIt coming, I'm uploading it now
03:36.13DarcySupremestIt obviously hasn't been edited yet so just ignore bad grammer or formatting for now, I'll fix it
03:36.39DarcySupremestHere we go
03:36.41DarcySupremesthttps://www.dropbox.com/s/0q8dgdf2h9ghajw/Untitled%201.odt?dl=0
03:38.59GD12Well I've read it
03:39.02GD12Let me say this
03:39.12GD12It is extremely good for a starter fiction
03:39.33GD12Second of all, Leviathans might be a bit unrealistic
03:39.37GD12Not that they are too big
03:39.43GD12But that they are too big to be steampunk creations
03:39.58GD12in that i doubt materials sciences and coal can power things that are several hundred meters tall
03:41.29DarcySupremestThats fair enough
03:42.08GD12However, aside from that, detail-wise and quality-wise its very good
03:42.48DarcySupremestI might bonk the biggest one back down to six hundred because the Great Eastern was about that big
03:43.11DarcySupremestI think
03:43.14GD12If its bipedal I'd keep its max height at around 100 meters
03:43.24GD12Even the largest tier 1 walkers are around that heihgt
03:43.32GD12And thats with tier 1 engineering skils
03:43.52GD12*several hundred
03:43.54DarcySupremestOh shit, well then yeah totally
03:44.10DarcySupremestif I'm outdoing like God entitys then thats probably not good
03:44.11GD12Sorry If I'm being an annoying nitpick :)
03:44.34DarcySupremestNo thats fine, I just had no frame of reference like that I was basing their size on building heights throughout history
03:44.43GD12No problem
03:45.25GD12A frame of refernece you might want to use for an explicitly overpowered fiction which is just there to function as an antagonist to a large collab (said fiction dies in the end) is my Dominatus
03:45.39GD12Their largest walker is 160 meters high
03:45.54GD12And is a very rare super-heavy walker which only recently got developed
03:46.11GD12Another frame of reference you might want to use are Titans from 40k
03:46.20GD12which iirc vary from 40 - 60 meters for Imperator Class Titans
03:47.45DarcySupremestOh god damn it, how did I foget about titans >.<
03:48.04DarcySupremestWH40k was my life back in high school
03:48.28GD12I'm just nitpicking minor details, chill, the rest of it is great
03:49.11DarcySupremestNo I'm angry at myself for forgetting Titans existed is all
03:49.28DarcySupremestEspecially when Leviathens are pretty much Titans, walking fortresses
03:50.34DarcySupremestBringing the tallest down to 70 sound less OP?
03:50.56GD12Aye, especially for a steampunk base
03:51.18GD1270 meters is hard enough for the Ad Mech to pull off even with 40k tech
03:51.30GD12Thats around the range for the taller Imperator Titans
03:51.51GD12So its big, but much more feasible than ~700 meters, especially if you're still amking them steam-powered
03:52.49GD12In addition, most users don't use walkers, (I think the big exceptions are me, Vincent20100, and Cyrannian), so you'll still have them as something rather unique
03:53.39DarcySupremestWell I did intend to have Leviathens be their only superweapons
03:53.42DarcySupremestso thats great
03:54.43GD12Furthermore, as your tech advances you could make Leviathan MK2s
03:55.03GD12Which would be more advanced, possibly bigger due to advances in different fields of engineering etc
03:55.32*** join/#sporewiki Vincent20100 (b8a31c4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.163.28.75)
03:56.04GD12Hello
03:56.19GD12The only people who use walkers at the 40k scale are/is me
03:56.25GD12well then its just one
03:56.32GD12Cyrannian uses Star Wars scale walkers
03:57.06TekDroidWell they kinda are Star Wars walkers. :P
03:58.35GD12that too
03:59.15Vincent20100Hey dudes
03:59.37GD12Also, protip DarcySupremest : If you are making bipedal walkers make them in ufo creator (example here ) http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140511185106/spore/images/9/96/LegacyClassWalkerPortrait.png
03:59.40GD12hey
04:03.07DarcySupremestOkay sweet
04:03.26Vincent20100I also had some decent walkers
04:03.43Vincent20100http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140930173858/spore/images/2/27/Apocalypse_Walker_%28Black%29.png
04:03.47GD12You do, but they are tetrapods/quadrepeds hur
04:03.48Vincent20100http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140930175443/spore/images/f/ff/Plasma-Burning_Walker_%28Black%29.png
04:03.53Vincent20100http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140930181243/spore/images/c/cb/Sickle_Walker_-_APR_Medium_Armour.png
04:03.59GD12bipeds 4 lyfe
04:04.01GD12jk
04:04.14DarcySupremestNow I've just gotta make some screenshots relevant to what I have and an appearence subsection
04:04.23DarcySupremestand I'm ready to make my page
04:04.52Vincent20100I prefer 6 leggers
04:06.19GD12my attempt at 6 legs http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140511052017/spore/images/b/b0/ConquerorClassHexapodPortrait.png
04:06.52GD12my attempt at dakka dakka dakka http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140808005712/spore/images/2/25/WarhammerClassSiegeTankPortrait.png
04:07.07DarcySupremestNot enuff
04:07.10DarcySupremestneeds mor
04:08.21DarcySupremestAlso as a side note when work pays me finally, do we have artists I can commission here or do I need to go off looking for some
04:08.39AngrybirdsMy counter to six legs: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140801044845/spore/images/a/a9/C-41_Ulysse_A3.png
04:08.40Vincent20100GD12: Legs looks kinda too bulky
04:09.02GD12Money
04:09.04GD12*Mone
04:09.06GD12*Monet
04:09.08Vincent20100Well, Angry, if you wanna see a APR tank in combat here
04:09.23GD12Vincent20100 : THats because its supposed to be a walking fortress (kinda) so the legs do have to be bulky hur
04:09.25Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrandia_Wars/Year_One/Desolation_of_the_Bisistar?file=Desolation_of_the_Bisistar_07.png#Chapter_Nine:_Battle_on_the_Surface
04:10.17GD12My answer to the Ulysse : http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140803234448/spore/images/0/07/JuggernautClassSuper-HeavyTankPortrait.png
04:10.25Vincent20100THe giant black ones
04:10.48GD12Aye, I see
04:10.57GD12then the even bigger ones are bisistar tripods
04:11.08DarcySupremestGD12: So Monet is "throw money at recieve art" one?
04:11.13DarcySupremestOr was that a joke
04:11.27GD12no, monet is the resident artist here
04:11.33GD12*traditional artist
04:11.47DarcySupremestI get it
04:11.54DarcySupremestbecause his name is monet hur
04:12.06Vincent20100yah
04:12.10DarcySupremesthee hur ha hee
04:12.19GD12He made this http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Formation-of-the-The-Alcanti-Triad-481525818
04:12.35AngrybirdsGD12 : My answer to the Juggernaut.
04:12.37Angrybirdshttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140415013707/spore/images/e/eb/Super_Mirage_8M_flares.png
04:13.00GD12Juggernaut - Fucking planes
04:13.05AngrybirdsYou can't beat EIGHT 1000 kg bombs.
04:13.18GD12Coming at the top armor
04:13.38GD12Juggernaut - Why is al my armor facing the front?
04:13.51AngrybirdsSuper Mirage 8M - TROLOLOLOLOL
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04:14.49GD12It would be very hard to miss a Juggernaut given that its a moving city block
04:14.52GD12Hello there!
04:15.45GD128 1000 kg AP bombs seems like a lot of hurt
04:18.48Vincent_is_SleepGood night dudes and dudettes!
04:18.54GD12night
04:21.53GD12night
04:22.17DarcySupremestThats a lot of worksies for me to screenshot
04:22.48DarcySupremestAnd there is like no way to do what the Hives interiours look like without an artist, so I need to commission someone
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11:51.19Knight_AlienHi
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12:08.58DarcySupremestChristlike dang dang
12:09.06DarcySupremestAnatomy of the Arcanium is done
12:09.47DarcySupremestnearly three pages long
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12:17.48HachiCollege<3
12:19.01HachiCollegeNgh have to wait for ages for my next class to start
12:19.09HachiCollegeand it's a class I hate
12:19.19OluapPlayeru can spend ur time wit me
12:20.13HachiCollegedats a terribul waste of time
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14:20.31Wormy_At least six lady birds have landed on my wondow
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14:29.11Vincent20100Hey
14:33.09Vincent20100I wanna rock!
14:34.01Wormy_WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE
14:36.16Vincent20100Heu...
14:37.27Vincent20100I want to be a flower!
14:39.11Vincent20100https://www.facebook.com/shavedllama/photos/a.130396740398895.21184.130307693741133/585479184890646/?type=1&relevant_count=1
14:41.10Wormy_http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1100000/images/_1100031_new.300.jpg
14:54.08Vincent20100No!
14:54.10Vincent20100Worm!!!
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15:09.02Vincent20100Hey Drom
15:09.10dromhi
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15:13.11JepardiHi
15:13.54Vincent20100hey dudes
15:14.33Vincent20100desiging some fighters
15:26.29Vincent20100Bah, no inspiration
15:26.55Vincent20100What about you guys?
15:27.00dromI'm not in the good mood today.
15:29.53Vincent20100Why that? :(
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15:30.29HachimanGot let off my last class early cuz nobody else showed up
15:30.33HachimanImma lucky boi
15:30.38Wormy_awayhi
15:30.42Wormy_awayand hi
15:31.01Wormy_awayYou are a good boy for turning up
15:31.07Wormy_awayAll the rest are lazy scum
15:31.10Wormy_awayThink about it
15:31.24HachimanI'd prefer not to go really
15:31.41HachimanBut then attending it means my course is pretty much free until I'm 19
15:32.36Wormy_awayHappened to me once.  We all had to create a group to do a 2 week geological fieldtrip of our own during the summer last year.  Only I turned up and ended up 2 weeks on my own
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15:36.17Vincent20100Wormy: That's kinda sad...
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15:54.11Wormy_Vincent:  Disconned.  Yeah, I still had fun though, the mountain became mine.  And when I did see people, sometimes with my hard hat, they thought I was working there .  One tour guide came up to me to ask him if the rocks were safe to climb
15:54.24Wormy_*asked me
15:55.07Wormy_So yeah I plasyed alongpretended
15:55.13Wormy_*played along
15:56.15Wormy_Ihad plenty of work to do so it wasn't like I was going to go insane in relative isolation
15:56.32Wormy_Actually there was a pub as well
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16:10.22Vincent20100back
16:11.13Vincent20100Alcohol make things way more interesting Worm :,p
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16:12.03MrKyuremHi
16:12.31Wormy_Beer can make me heavily philosophical between the second and third pint
16:13.12Vincent20100Hi Mr!
16:13.14Wormy_If I wasn't enough already
16:13.15Vincent20100Long time no see
16:13.39Vincent20100Wormy: I personnaly prefer vodka
16:15.08Wormy_Quite a few places my interests in science and philosophy blurs sometimes, but that's okay, good philosophy is as good reasoning as science, since there are knowledge based things beyond the reach of science, including the philosophy of knowledge, morality and beauty.  Maybe even qualia.
16:15.48Vincent20100Well, we had some similar discussion in a philo class once
16:15.56Wormy_But science is no doubt to me, the best way to understand the physical world.
16:16.28Vincent20100And the  guided the conclusion to be that Philosophy itself is a science, just like physic, chemestry ormathematics
16:16.31Wormy_If not the only way
16:16.43Vincent20100Philosophy is the Science of Logic
16:17.27Vincent20100Science is a very large word Wormy
16:17.48Vincent20100I think it's better to talk about Siences instead
16:17.52Wormy_Well, to say science can reach into those fields is scientism.  I think there are places where science and philosophy can't be separated though, such as:  any scientist has a moral duties to the truth
16:18.12Wormy_If not, its bad science or psuedoscience
16:18.23Vincent20100Well, you can go even farther than that
16:19.12Vincent20100You can go as far as saying since philosophy is Logic, and logic is within every sciences...
16:19.30Vincent20100For example, it comes from Logic to say that 2 + 2 = 4
16:19.50Wormy_Philosophy is bigger than logic too.  But I'd agree that all good philosophy requires methods of reasoning and the reach to find good explananations.
16:19.59Vincent20100Yah
16:20.38Wormy_Beware though, of reductionism.  Some reductionists see all this as a hierachy, with logic as a bedrock.  But that reasoning can fail.
16:20.39Vincent20100THe problem with the philosophical science is that, like for every sciences before, people transformed it into pseudo-science
16:21.36Vincent20100Like for astronomy. Saying earth was flat made of astronomy a pseudo-science. BUt when you use the correct scientif method, Astronomy become a science
16:21.58Wormy_I'd prefer the term "bad philosophy" in that case
16:22.22Vincent20100It's the same for Philo. If you don't use the Scientif method, Philo is a pseudo-science. BUt when using Scientific method, Philo can be a science
16:22.22Wormy_and bad methodology
16:23.33Vincent20100It is sad to say, but not every philosophies are right. some of them are wrong. Just like any other scientific fields
16:23.36Wormy_Well, you are almost there.  There is something the scientific method and good philosophy fall under, but the scientific method can't be applied everywhere (scientism), some things like morality and epistemology are outside it
16:23.51Vincent20100yah
16:24.13Vincent20100But Morality and Philosophy are separated things
16:24.21Wormy_The scientific method is based largely on good philosophy (good, because its critical enough to improve itself)
16:24.37Vincent20100Morality come from Law
16:24.59Wormy_There is a philosophy of morality.  And these fields are not seperated
16:25.19Wormy_As we've agreed, philosophy and science cannot be seperated
16:25.29Wormy_they need each other
16:27.36Wormy_Sometimes I wonder whats outside philosophy (but unlike mystcism or faith), able to make something analogous progress in whatever that might be.
16:28.39GhelaeHow do you define philosophy, in order to understand what might not fall under that definition?
16:29.01Vincent20100Well Ghelae, defining terms isn't our jobs
16:29.11Vincent20100It's the jobs of people who created a langue
16:29.33Vincent20100http://www.thefreedictionary.com/philosophy
16:29.45Wormy_The bit I'm defining would be under reason largely (with more philosophy outside it), but once you have that, you start thinking about types of reasoning, like the search for good explanations (which implies the scientific method)
16:30.20Wormy_or if you are anti-realist or positivist, a formal description
16:30.31Vincent20100Definition no. 6 would be the best for here
16:30.32Vincent201006. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
16:30.58Wormy_What would alien philosophy be like?  I think while it could be completely divergent from human thought, but still capable of generating knowledge.  Otherwise it would be completely divergent
16:31.07Vincent20100Honestly, I would say dictionnaries are the kinda the ultimate books
16:31.34Vincent20100Well, as long as it fits with the definition, it would be philosophy
16:31.55Wormy_OA puts the question better http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45e648b4a5fc0
16:33.03GhelaeI would prefer something like definition 2, i.e. not just a listing of topics but a single overarching feature or set of features.
16:33.47GhelaeMy point being, you can't begin to know what would fall outside the realm of philosophy without first knowing what properties a discipline needs to not be part of philosophy.
16:33.50Wormy_Yeah
16:34.29Wormy_I guess I already defined it in my question, forms of non-reasoning like blind faith, which requires raw, unjustified belief
16:34.39Vincent20100Yah, definition number 2 would wrok too, execpt for the "or values," part
16:34.41Wormy_Or magical reasoning
16:35.08Vincent20100We spent a whole semester explainging why values mean nothing
16:35.59GhelaeBut the fact that magical reasoning is inaccurate requires empircal evidence that the universe works to the contrary, does it not?
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16:36.11ImperiosHi
16:36.14GhelaeHello.
16:36.17OluapWorkerimpu
16:36.25Vincent20100Hi Imper
16:36.28OluapWorkerfinish paeg
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16:37.27Wormy_Ghelae:  Well method 2 says "based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods."  If not, maybe magical reasoning could be considered bad philosophy from an epistemolgical standpoint
16:37.51Wormy_I think philosophy and non philosophy blur into each other at in-seperable points anyway
16:37.55GhelaeI think it may count as valid logic but with flawed axioms.
16:38.40GhelaeThis is where I suppose the divisioning of sciences come in: formal sciences (such as logic and maths) involve taking axioms and seeing what conclusions can be drawn from them, very roughly speaking, while the natural sciences require axioms that are based in our observations of reality.
16:39.32GhelaeThat our universe is (as far as we can tell) logically self-consistent and describable by logical and mathematics is one such axiom that connects those two branches together.
16:39.47Ghelaelogic and*
16:40.34Wormy_Formal sciences study the abstract world, natural sciences explore the physical
16:40.45GhelaeThat's another way of thinking about it.
16:40.53Wormy_yes
16:41.11GhelaeOf course, there's also the social sciences. In this classification, they're equivalent to the natural sciences, but focusing on more complex aspects of the physical world.
16:41.15Wormy_And the windows of abstraction
16:41.35Wormy_Where would epistemology go?  Both I believe
16:42.39Wormy_Observation is certainly a part of good science but you still require conjecture and criticism (like testability, which can work at even a meta-level of science)
16:43.32Wormy_And that can kind of thing is itself explained by epistemologists like Karl Popper
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16:44.15Wormy_Hi
16:44.21GhelaeA basic description of the scientific method would be: seeing what happens in the universe and coming to conclusions based on that evidence. Conjecture is required to generate conclusions while criticism is required to ensure that those conclusions are valid.
16:44.22GhelaeHello.
16:44.35CyrannianHello.
16:44.41Vincent20100Hi Cyra
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16:45.16GhelaeHello.
16:45.21dromGuten tag everyone
16:45.28dromI'm in a better mood now.
16:45.59Catfacegives Ghelae a bucket of fresh cream
16:46.10Wormy_An interesting about the scientific methodology is that it can and does criticise itself, improving its own ground like it does with theories we can generate with it.
16:46.22Wormy_hi
16:46.25Wormy_and hi
16:46.26Ghelaeuses the cream to make a gigantic ice cream
16:47.36Wormy_Ah thats a better way to put it
16:48.13Wormy_http://pastie.org/private/xigcvp7npzqqrr8stqqdq.
16:48.56Wormy_Basically the scientific method survives its own criticism which is of continual use, so errors within the method are correctable
16:52.28Wormy_If it helps, this is generally my episemological angle http://nautil.us/issue/2/uncertainty/why-its-good-to-be-wrong  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_rationalism  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_realism  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Platonism
16:54.44dromGame logic: http://i.imgur.com/oftcL.jpg
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17:09.30Tek0516Hello
17:09.39GhelaeHello.
17:10.01Wormy_Hachiman, Catface:  This song plays whenever a crazy woman is chasing you http://youtu.be/4UuCgIi3Dgk?t=30m8s
17:10.26Tek0516Three Americans get infected with Ebola and they treat it like it's  the apocalypse.
17:11.48CatfaceTek0516: Blame the sensationalist media.
17:13.41Wormy_Then it comes and does infect the West
17:13.53Tek0516Also the ignorant politicians going all-out on the CDC right now.
17:14.19Wormy_BTW that was some sarcasm
17:15.07Wormy_I think ebola does have a potential to cause a global pandemic.  But its far more likely to become endemic in Africa and beyond in countries with poor infrastructure like malaria
17:15.23Catface^
17:15.35Tek0516^
17:15.38CatfaceEbola in town. Don't touch your friends,
17:16.11Wormy_It certainly is a great problem if it becomes endemic like that, and then people will be getting sick from it all the time cominng back from worst effected areas
17:17.17dromI still remember that day: http://25.media.tumblr.com/87db5dcd6e7a3d7b1c9eefc11e21b22b/tumblr_mgo10qgNv51qbtsp7o1_1280.jpg
17:20.20Catfacehttp://i.imgur.com/5rl31vE.png
17:22.01Vincent20100The cardinal college mechanic is fun
17:22.39Vincent20100When I manage to finally make my familly's population explode, it's very fun
17:23.28Vincent20100MAtrilinneal mariages helps a lot
17:23.43Vincent20100Like that girls still help increasing the familly ranks
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17:25.56Tek0516"Theocracy of Sweden"? Now imagine  if that guy became Pope. XD
17:26.18dromHere's an image to refresh your memory. http://latitudenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/RTR3CGW5.jpg
17:26.45Tek0516O.o
17:27.37CatfaceHype train stops for no one.
17:28.40Vincent20100Who plays CK2 here?
17:28.53Catfaceraises hand
17:29.38Vincent20100Do you try to hand out titles to your dynasty in priority?
17:30.11CatfaceDepends, \
17:30.20dromAn other angle for those who are curious about the scene. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Saltsjobaden_olycka.JPG
17:30.24Vincent20100Because in a last game as a spanish, I started to had a problem
17:31.06Tek0516Been getting a crash bug since last patch of CKII  though.
17:31.12Vincent20100My dynasty population exploded, thanks to carefull mariage managing and matrilineal mariages and I handed out the titles almost exclusively to blood-related characters
17:31.40Vincent20100THe problem is, my lineage died and ended up playing as one of the dudes of my familly I landed before (as planned)
17:32.19Vincent20100But since most land in my realm was held by my dnasty, people almost only married blood-realted cousins and shits like that...
17:32.51Vincent20100Result: Two thirds of my dynasty is retarded, slow, imbecial, stuttering etc
17:33.04Tek0516O.o
17:33.16CatfaceI love CKII.
17:33.18Catfacelol
17:33.27Vincent20100Because they all maried among other dukes and counts... Which were all from my dynasty
17:33.43CatfaceI usually land my best/strongest allies to help keep them loyal.
17:33.47Vincent20100And when my genius breed lineage died out by accident...
17:34.54Vincent20100Living Dynasty memeber: 526
17:35.33CatfaceI'm currently trying to create a Croatian empire.
17:35.49CatfaceThe Byzantines are being jerks, though.
17:36.06Vincent20100Total dynasty members: 4.656
17:36.21Vincent20100Killed a bunch of them...
17:36.32Vincent20100To "purify" the dynasty
17:36.48Vincent20100VAssals were so pissed off that I had to proceed to a "reshuffle"
17:37.01Vincent20100Imprisonned everyone and revoked everything
17:37.39Vincent20100hand to wait for like 40 years, until a new generation of my familly appeared (and I had to remary them all to continue the purification)
17:37.42Vincent20100*Had
17:38.04Vincent20100NEw generation isn't pissed off at me for revoking, SO I redistributed
17:38.11CatfaceAt least your bloodline is 'pure'.
17:38.19Vincent20100Well, a bit
17:38.42CatfaceMy current heir is being trained under the pope.
17:39.10Vincent20100I also landed like 33% only of the land to dynasty members and the rest to random dynasties, to prevent that from occuring again
17:39.20Vincent20100Still, the genetic damage is kinda done
17:39.52Vincent20100I have to check the character screen every once in a while for quick or genius or strong character to repair it
17:40.04CatfaceWay to go, champ.
17:40.06Catface:P
17:40.23Vincent20100Playing as a slow hunchback is kinda lame
17:41.18CatfacePlaying as a possessed hunchback is awesome.
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17:54.35Vincent20100possessed is strange
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17:58.55Wormy_hi
17:59.42MrKyuremhi
18:01.49Vincent20100hey
18:09.12Vincent20100gotta go
18:09.24Vincent_is_Away++
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18:34.45ImperiosOluapWorker Hachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Mequelet_the_Blooded Done at very long last
18:34.46ImperiosNow quotes
18:37.51HachimanNice job I gotta say
18:42.02Hachimandere quoted
18:43.03MrKyurem"“Put quote here” - Quote" Silly you, Quote is mute
18:43.08MrKyuremmakes an obscure joke
18:44.17ImperiosActually, yeah, I still need a top quote
18:46.54Imperios~slap OluapWorker
18:46.54infobotACTION slaps OluapWorker, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
18:47.05Imperioschek u
18:47.25TekDroidIn Victoria 2 I'm 5th place in every ranking category but 4th overall. O.o
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18:56.35Hachimanhai
18:56.37ImperiosHi
18:56.48OluapWorkeronik
18:56.50OluapWorkeroink even
18:58.08OluapWorkerImperios: I left quote son Mequelet
18:58.11OluapWorkerquotes even
18:58.39Imperiosrite
19:00.28Imperios>“I never liked the way she stared at Ahmalhrich.” hur
19:00.34Hachimanhttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10365845_1007962419250948_4466561822266004609_n.jpg?oh=6514dcda30cd7d465d4a8049ea299e71&oe=54BCB152
19:01.14OluapWorkerNow focus on making your D&D char
19:03.21Wormy_What it feels to do programming http://i.imgur.com/dzbQCj4.png
19:03.55ImperiosOluapWorker: When are we going to start?
19:05.01OluapWorkerAfter the vampire war is done
19:05.10OluapWorkerIf we get it done at saturday, we can start at sunday
19:06.01Imperios...Rite, there's a problem with that, sorta
19:06.11OluapWorkerAnd that is?
19:06.27ImperiosThat Sunday I'll be playing tabletop games in the club; Alyona will probably be there too
19:06.49OluapWorkerRight
19:06.58ImperiosI think the Saturday after the next one would be the best time to start
19:07.03ImperiosSaturdays in general, actually
19:07.10ImperiosI tend to be busy at Sundays
19:07.10OluapWorkerIn that case we'll start the weekend after this one
19:07.26ImperiosOluapWorker: http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/migdino/1287808233511.jpg?t=1287811782
19:07.33OluapWorkerRegardless I'll not start until the vampire war is done
19:07.45OluapWorkerSeen
19:23.18Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTw2YvutJRA
19:23.30Wormy_DCP policy
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19:29.27ImpyDroid2Hi Xho
19:29.34XhoHello
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19:32.48ImpyDroidXho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Mequelet_the_Blooded Quote
19:32.56XhoCurrently thinking of one
19:38.15XhoQuoted
19:39.41dromThis goddamned qoutfit makes Aemonkians look like hunchbacks, like krogans.
19:39.45dromoutfit*
19:40.20ImpyDroidhur
19:45.11GhelHello.
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19:55.20DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
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20:15.54Knight_AlienHi
20:16.40DrodoEmpireHey
20:22.04Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kinmorunddraver#Relationships Updated relationships and quotes
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20:24.01Knight_Alienhi
20:24.39Xhoreturn of the ups
20:26.21OluapWorkerhi
20:37.32Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kinmorunddraver#Relationships Updated again
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20:40.55OluapWorker"What do you know of me?"          Zran Kar - everythin u idiot
20:41.30XhoKinmo suddenly throws in the Nalashtannylor card
20:42.03OluapWorkerZran Kar - also know bout dat               wat ur point
20:42.10dromTest-running as Nar'karaex, he's fucking big.
20:47.02XhoKinmo - do u rly
20:47.42OluapWorkerZran Kar - yee
20:50.28drom"i'm gonna to crush you all like tiny ants!"
20:53.26dromI personally think that Nar'karaex is yet my best character so far.
20:53.55dromSaying for model quality and (current and predicted) page content.
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20:55.56HachimanHai
20:56.03OluapWorkerhi
20:56.20dromSomebody hold me! My self-esteem is becoming too much for me to handle!
20:56.26dromHai!
20:56.50HachimanKeep at it and it won't be
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20:57.54GhelHello.
20:58.26Liquid_InkHello
21:05.59drom"Sturmtiger reloading" http://i.imgur.com/dwsyi6G.gif
21:08.09Knight_AlienSir I am sorry Oktoberfest has taken a toll on my skills.
21:09.21DrodoEmpiredrom: LOL XD
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21:13.38dromand if anyone of you wonder about "sturmtiger" http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/fotky/samohybky/sturmtiger/026.jpg
21:13.43dromit looks really impartical
21:14.56dromBascially a Jagdtiger chassie with a human-wide cannon.
21:16.28Liquid_InkObviously for executions
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21:16.49Liquid_InkSove dissidents into the cannon and fertilise the landscape with them.
21:16.53Liquid_Ink*shove
21:17.39dromOr sending *Sturm*troopers behind the enemy's lines.
21:19.19XhoCan anyone guess which US President is not related to the rest
21:20.00HachimanObama
21:20.08XhoNope
21:21.32XhoIt was in fact Martin Van Buren
21:21.52HachimanHuh
21:22.09HachimanI would have thought Obama would have definitely not been related
21:23.42XhoObama and Bush are 10th cousins once removed apparently
21:24.09XhoAs well as 10th cousins to Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter
21:25.14XhoI'm not sure whether that's true but then again it seems to be all over the place
21:25.35Liquid_InkIt's a conspiracy I tells ya
21:25.52XhoAlong with 9/11, 7/7, 21/12 and 4/20
21:26.23HachimanAnd 7/11
21:26.42Xhowut dat
21:26.56MonetA convenience store
21:27.02HachimanAye
21:27.21GhelIt makes sense. To run a successful presidential campaign, you need to be rich, and people with lots of money often have it because of family (inheritence, business connections, etc).
21:27.33GhelAnd members of the same family are almost universally related to each other.
21:28.10MonetSo...the US presidents have all been of the same broad family?
21:28.30dromoi, steam denied downloading a 20GB game in an external 240GB disk.
21:28.43dromwith "not enough disk space"
21:29.20XhoRight must sleep
21:29.24GhelOf course, being such a recent country, going back to within twenty generations ago you'll probably find that most Americans are related to each other.
21:29.27dromare you cereal? the disk has got 200+ GB free space
21:29.38XhoI've done four 6:25 starts this week and I think I'm close to complete and utter asjdjfksdhjkfahdakgjh
21:30.26GhelOkay, bye.
21:30.41GhelActually, I'm also going to go now. Bye!
21:30.43dromMy pass starts at 8:20. But due to this stupid city transit infrastructure. I have to go to bed earlier and wake up early.
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21:58.02Wormy_Thank the lawd jeabus chriast
21:58.25Wormy_Spent the last hour trying to solve a problem
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22:04.00TekDroidThere's one thing really bugging me about one of my lectures.
22:05.08TekDroidThey made a big deal out of "fulfilling needs over luxury" in one lab yet as a programmer literally my entire job is making luxury items. -.-
22:07.32TekDroidOf course they used a ridiculous example to make their point.
22:09.18MonetWhat if they referring to "needs" being the essential code?
22:11.54TekDroidIt's a "quality of life" thing.
22:12.39Monet"form before function" is perhaps a similar phrase I've heard about architecture.
22:12.54MonetNo
22:13.01Monet"Form follows function"
22:14.13TekDroidTheir argument was refugee tents vs a kid's toothbrush that plays music for the two minutes (completely ignoring its intended purpose as well).
22:15.21HachimanBut
22:15.30HachimanThose toothbrushes are helpful with time measurement
22:16.11TekDroidExactly. And encourages brushing habits in children.
22:16.54MonetI see a proportionality here of "who's needs matter more? The refugee or the kid"
22:17.14TekDroidKinda.
22:18.17TekDroidThey also include a bunch of other fun stuff like a big 1% thing and the good old "only you can fix it" bit for climate change.
22:19.15MonetHmm
22:21.54TekDroidAlso they showed us one projection of future energy sources they included the details of it on the midterm as though its projection was fact.
22:24.32TekDroidOf course what probably makes me really hate it is that it's my first and only lecture on Fridays, so I effectively wake up and then sit through that joke of a class.
22:27.21TekDroidSorry about going into a rant there. XD
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22:35.04Knight_AlienHello
22:37.39TekDroid"This is where I'm going to lose about 90% of you." -> Had already spent half an hour talking about boring stuff already discussed in previous lectures
22:38.16MonetOne of my lecturers likes ot intersperse his slideshows with cats. Sometimes lolcats
22:39.04TekDroidI wish this guy would do something like that.
22:43.43TekDroidThis guy is more show a concept then spend half an hour talking about it.
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22:53.44MonetHallo
22:53.49TybusenHai
22:54.15Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Admiral_Tzena Monet Hachiman c
22:54.40Wormy_My work takes forever these days, I think my fiction days are over
22:54.48Monet"That Bitch that Burned Vanexia Down"
22:54.51Wormy_At least during term time
22:55.14Wormy_Its almost midnight and I'm not finished
22:55.20TybusenYikes
22:55.38Wormy_I was so hoping to do fiction, and play Delta Rising
22:55.59Wormy_and watch Brian Cox's new documentary
22:56.48Wormy_Angrybirds:  Probably means I can't write in GXS at least till Saturday or Sunday
22:57.33Wormy_If I'm lucky
23:00.35AngrybirdsUnderstood.
23:01.11Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/WCenSFw.jpg Now is this pizza or lava
23:01.39Wormy_too glowy to be pizza
23:01.55TybusenThe texture isn't right for pizza
23:02.14TybusenCheese shouldn't bake in that pattern either
23:02.19TybusenMy money is on lava
23:02.39TybusenUnless it's a trick question and what we're seeing is a piece of pizza in lava
23:03.18TybusenHachiman: look at page dam u
23:03.26HachimanPage not finished
23:03.31Wormy_I don't think its lava either
23:03.50Wormy_It might have meant to be lava but its no photograph of one
23:04.01HachimanTybusen: I am liking the progress of it though even if it is unfinished hur
23:04.15HachimanWormy_: Correct; it's user-made lava texture
23:04.36Wormy_Looks like they used Gaussian blur
23:05.07Wormy_fractals yey
23:06.31TybusenI'd appreciate it if people left some quotes on Tzena's page
23:06.40Tybuseneven if it's not fully completed yet
23:06.59MonetI will when I can. But right now I have to write a review for uni
23:07.10Monetfilm review for uni I mean
23:07.29Tybusenrite
23:08.01MonetTurns out 2001 was smack bang during this period of SF history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_science_fiction
23:08.15Monet2001 a space odyssey*
23:09.26MonetA hard sci-fi epic at the height when a new generation of authors were experimenting with artistic license and discarding the notion that science fiction had to have some degree of real science to it.
23:12.33MonetTurns out that era didn't last.
23:22.28TekDroidUgh, finally that lecture's done.
23:23.09TekDroidBrb, it's raining so I'm entering a tunnel.
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23:54.23Knight_AlienHi
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