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00:06.18MonetOKay I think the insignia looks a fair bit better now.
00:06.24MonetMiles better than what I used to have
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00:21.56DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
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00:23.17DrodoEmpireHi
00:23.20OfficerJackalHello.
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00:56.18DrodoEmpireSo apparently, Shell Canada is dropping its gas prices to 1984 levels to celebrate thirty years of business
00:56.47DrodoEmpireVery briefly, mind you
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01:04.23GD12hello
01:08.03DrodoEmpireHi
01:13.18Wormy_awayhi
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01:55.53Wormy_awaybye
01:56.32Vincent_is_Awaytest
02:12.20Vincent20100It's quiet...
02:14.19DrodoEmpire^
02:15.57Vincent20100Too quiet...
02:16.01Vincent20100Are you all on Katar?
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02:16.22DrodoEmpireYeah; Nothing is going on there though
02:19.32TekDroidHello
02:35.11Vincent20100hey
02:39.11Knight_Aliensup
02:41.25Vincent20100hry
02:43.00Vincent20100I will go soon too
02:43.35Knight_AlienBut you just joined.
02:47.14Knight_AlienWell for now I will play Warframe.
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03:16.43Tek0516Hello
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03:34.08TekDroidHello
03:36.04TekDroidSo tomorrow is my first ever uni midterm, plus a physics test. >. <
03:36.56TekDroidwishes that Starbucks he walked past a few minutes ago had been open.
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09:05.52Wormy_hi
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09:30.30MedwedianPresideHello
09:30.35MedwedianPresideAnybody here?
09:30.48MedwedianPresideI want to ask...
09:30.53MedwedianPresidewhether anybody wants to
09:31.01MedwedianPresidego to war with my nation,
09:31.08MedwedianPresidethe Medwedian Democratic Federation
09:32.52MedwedianPreside+i
09:32.57MedwedianPresideHello?
09:34.22Liquid_InkHowdy
09:34.50MedwedianPresideHello
09:34.58MedwedianPresideAre you part of fiction universe
09:35.00MedwedianPreside?
09:35.22MedwedianPresideHello?
09:36.32MedwedianPresideHELLO?
09:36.34Liquid_InkHello
09:36.36Liquid_InkSorry
09:36.40MedwedianPresideAre you part of fiction universe?
09:36.41Liquid_InkBusy reading things.
09:36.45Liquid_InkYes, I am.
09:36.53MedwedianPresideWhat fiction do you have?
09:37.40MedwedianPresideHello?
09:37.57Liquid_InkThe Defensive System's Bloc, the Greater Zarni Empire, the Vermulan Autonomy, the Liberated Zarni Sodality, the Imperial Ottoman Directorate among others
09:38.15MedwedianPresideA-ha.
09:38.26MedwedianPresideI have the Medwedian Democratic Federation
09:38.39MedwedianPresideIt is populated by Ursoids, humanoid bears
09:39.12Liquid_InkCool
09:39.21MedwedianPresideWhat tier are you?
09:40.00Liquid_InkI don't pay much attention to the tier system to be honest.
09:40.20MedwedianPresideI am tier 4
09:40.35MedwedianPresideStar Trek post-Enterprise/pre-TOS tech
09:40.55MedwedianPresidecombined with some...slightly...older tech such as projectile weapons
09:41.13MedwedianPresidewhat tech do YOU have?
09:42.43Liquid_InkCompared to Star Trek? I suppose TNG tech. Maybe post-TOS pre-TNG. It's hard to measure. I generally make most of my fictions have balanced technology next to whomever they're interacting with.
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09:42.57Wormy_Hi
09:43.23Technobliteratorhii
09:43.39MedwedianPresideHello Wormulon.
09:43.45MedwedianPresideHello Techobliterator.
09:44.15MedwedianPresideSo, you mean Movie era (2285-2350)?
09:44.26Liquid_InkIt's easier just to say Wormy and Techno. Formality is unecessary.
09:44.31Liquid_InkMovie era I guess.
09:44.34MedwedianPresideI am searching for somebody to interact with my fiction.
09:44.42MedwedianPresideDo you want to go to war with my nation?
09:44.46TechnobliteratorMedwedianPreside, if you want an answer from someone, then bugging them all over the IRC will not encourage them
09:45.17MedwedianPresideHow should I then search for people to for example go to war with my nation?
09:45.33Liquid_InkWell
09:45.43Liquid_InkThere is a multi-user war in the works
09:45.54MedwedianPresideLink?
09:45.54Technobliteratorif someone is not interested the first time, they will probably not be interested the fourth
09:46.24Liquid_InkThe Xonexi Schism, between the Xonexi Allies and The Civilisation.
09:46.34MedwedianPresideA-ha.
09:46.35Liquid_Inkhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism
09:46.45Technobliteratorfor the record, I don't want to go to war with yours because a) the only fiction I have is far beyond what you have described technologically, and b) I am barely part of the Fiction Universe anymore anyway
09:47.06MedwedianPresideAnybody else has any tier 3.5-4.5 fictions?
09:48.40Liquid_InkThe tier system really doesn't matter. Why we still use it is anybody's guess.
09:49.25MedwedianPresideAnyway Wormy, are you still here?
09:49.32MedwedianPresideI want to join that Xonexi something fiction.
09:50.41Liquid_InkSchism.
09:51.26MedwedianPresideOkay.
09:51.35MedwedianPresideCan I join the Xonexi Schism?
09:53.19Liquid_InkIt's only in its prelude stages so far, but I'm sure you can join once everything kicks off.
09:53.56Liquid_InkThe other administrator of the Schism, Angrybirds, is the paragon of welcomingness
09:54.32MedwedianPresideOkay. Bye.
09:55.19Liquid_InkA little over-enthusiastic that one.
09:55.32Liquid_InkWouldn't you agree Techno?
09:56.45Liquid_InkI will admit I do admire how blunt you are with him.
09:56.58Liquid_InkI don't have the heart to tell people when they're being irritating.
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10:17.04Liquid_InkHello
10:17.07ImpyDroidhttp://38.media.tumblr.com/51b019f74861b3d685569488cb33e72a/tumblr_nc3x3tOdwC1tuf5mko1_500.jpg hur
10:17.09ImpyDroidHi
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12:28.22HachimanHai
12:29.15Hachimanngh brb
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12:29.39Hachimanrite
12:32.29OluapWorkerHey
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13:09.42Vincent20100HEy
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13:38.31JepardiHi
14:01.18Vincent20100hey
14:11.40Wormy_away"I was the one who started the "hur" thing, which is supposed to be a sped up version of this sound, which I use to indicate I'm joking about something. Since then, most users stole my mannerism and now the IRC channel is full of people saying "hur" all day. I don't really like that at all."
14:11.51Wormy_awayRight, I thought it was internet wide
14:12.03Wormy_awayfeels a fool for using it across social networks
14:12.13Wormy_awayI'll try not to use it again
14:12.34OluapWorker_Dumbo
14:16.59Vincent20100https://www.facebook.com/changeiseverything/photos/p.731809266875056/731809266875056/?type=1
14:20.32Jepardihttp://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/a9MRywD_460sa_v1.gif
14:23.07Wormy_awayhttps://www.facebook.com/268893639610/photos/a.10151763038004611.1073741825.268893639610/10152400033004611/?type=1&theater
14:23.23Wormy_awaynightmares Jepardi
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14:49.38HachimanRight back
14:49.53OluapWorker_Welcome back
14:50.46Hachimanwork on sumthin pls
14:51.16OluapWorker_Eh?
14:51.45HachimanLike, work on something
14:51.46HachimanI'm gonna work on the Flora Drakes
14:52.22HachimanOh and thanks for the minipic and png for them
14:52.46OluapWorker_It's the least I could do
14:53.33OluapWorker_And I don't think I have anything to do right now
15:01.09Vincent20100Hey Drom
15:19.21dromHey.
15:29.43Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10592863_926890720667321_1428972453641653643_n.jpg?oh=63198d90da1e19a57817e51bd3601ffd&oe=54CDC470&__gda__=1422394182_336e0c7863c07f33b7a893464f2ae92d Reminds me of Jo
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15:30.23GhelaeHello.
15:30.47TechnobliteratorHachiman, >:(
15:30.48Technobliteratorhey ghelae
15:33.23Wormy_awayhi
16:38.04Vincent20100Somebody say something!
16:39.52Ghelae~give Vincent20100 a cookie
16:39.52infobotACTION gives Vincent20100 a home-baked peanut butter cookie to cheer him up.
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16:48.38Vincent20100_happily eat the butter cookie.
16:49.17Technobliterator"This info has been moved to another site"
16:49.24Technobliteratorthen doesn't link to the other site
16:49.26Technobliteratoruh
16:50.07GhelaeHence the deletions. The user has one other page - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Stephenus - I wonder whether that one's obsolete too.
16:50.43Technobliteratormhm
16:50.51OluapWorkerEven if there was a link, the page would be deleted
16:50.56OluapWorkerIt's an empty page regardless
16:51.27Technobliteratoryeah, but it's really silly to not even link to it
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16:56.16MrKyuremhi
16:56.31GhelaeHello.
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16:56.37GhelaeHello.
16:56.45MrKyuremHello.
16:56.45OluapWorker~kick Cyrannian
16:56.45infobotACTION kicks Cyrannian
16:56.50Vincent20100HEy guys
16:56.53CyrannianHello.
16:56.55Cyrannian~hug OluapWorker
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16:57.15MrKyurem...that's an unusual amount of information
16:57.24MrKyuremHi Vincent
16:58.14Technobliteratorbbl
17:01.34Vincent20100Do you think I should send this to Emmette Coleman?
17:01.36Vincent20100https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204366544738744&set=p.10204366544738744&type=1
17:02.54dromWhew! I finally finished this goddamned process.
17:03.31MrKyurem?
17:03.44dromTime to eat my mince gartin with squash.
17:05.25dromI spent 5 hours on tring to solve a problem about getting an Environment varible from the registry.
17:05.29dromIn C#
17:14.35dromAubergine is a goddamned strange vegetable. And it's consistency when cooked is really repulsive IMO.
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17:17.29MonetHallo
17:17.31GhelaeHello.
17:19.07Vincent20100Hey Monet
17:19.21dromsup
17:20.35Wormy_awayhi
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17:24.13TekDroidHello
17:24.29GhelaeHello.
17:25.07TekDroidThe university cafeteria had cheese fondue today. I am happy. XD
17:26.20MonetYum
17:28.14dromTalking about food at your education place. My school's cafeteria sold homemade cheesecakes yesterday. It was a good day.
17:28.30TekDroidWowm
17:28.32TekDroid*.
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17:28.52GhelaeHello.
17:28.54MedwedianPresideHello
17:28.56TekDroidHello
17:28.59dromGuten tag.
17:29.04MedwedianPresideI am looking for AngryBirds
17:29.11MedwedianPresideGudby
17:29.14TekDroidHe may be afk.
17:29.16GhelaeHe is logged in.
17:29.17MedwedianPresideGudby is Medwedian Greeting
17:29.24GhelaeHe might just not be awake.
17:29.30MedwedianPresideOkay.
17:29.33MedwedianPresideAnyway
17:29.39dromHe's here, but he lives in Amercia, also loves to sleep.
17:29.44MedwedianPresideAnybody here participating in that Xonexi Shism thingy?
17:29.47TekDroidI think it's 10:30am local time for him.
17:29.49TekDroidYes.
17:29.52MedwedianPresideI would like to join
17:30.11MedwedianPresidethe Xonexi Schism fiction
17:30.26TekDroidWhich side?
17:30.32dromAnyone not particiating Xonexi usually go for Mou'Cyran.
17:30.35MedwedianPresideWhat is the more conservative side?
17:31.06TekDroidIt really isn't that division
17:31.12MedwedianPresideI mean, like my nation is a very conservative and militaristic nation.
17:31.24dromDCP is popularly described as "universe police state". While the Xonexi is against it.
17:31.27MonetMou'Cyran are mre the "uninvolveed" side
17:31.27MedwedianPresideWe are a mix of Lawful Evil, Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Good
17:31.42TekDroidBoth sides are arguably militaristic imperialists to an extent.
17:32.23MonetMedwedianPresident: The divide is closer to the two sides being "The DCP" and "People wh odon't want to be puppets of the DCP".
17:32.28TekDroid^
17:32.34MedwedianPresideOkay
17:32.39MedwedianPresideI will join the Xonexi Allies
17:32.45TekDroidIt's far from a black and white divide.
17:32.55MedwedianPresideAnyway
17:33.07MedwedianPresidewhat is happening in the Xonexi Schism? Work me in.
17:33.17Vincent20100http://www.playbuzz.com/benjaminbirely10/which-revolutionary-are-you
17:33.29Vincent20100Try this out guys, I wanna see your personnal results
17:33.36Vincent20100it takes like 3 minutes
17:34.04MonetMedwedianPresident: Tek and I can bring you up to speed.
17:34.13MedwedianPresideOkay.
17:34.24MedwedianPresideWe can start working in a couple of minutes after I finished the quiz.
17:35.53MedwedianPresideMy result is Fidel Castro
17:36.10MedwedianPresidebut I am actually more of a Stalin/Hitler/Kim Jong Un/Ivan Grozny mix
17:36.25TekDroidO.o
17:36.33Vincent20100Got castro too
17:36.34Vincent20100twice
17:36.43Vincent20100I excpected Stalin or LEnin too
17:36.52Wormy_Tekdroid:  Yep, thats the funny irony
17:37.13MedwedianPresideOkay...
17:37.17MedwedianPresidelet us start Working
17:37.18TekDroidWhat is,
17:37.20TekDroid*?
17:37.32MedwedianPresideI would like to participate in the Xonexi Schism on the side of the Xonexi Allies,.
17:38.15HachimanSo Chinese checkers looks like an entertaining game
17:39.31Wormy_I used to play that a long time ago, forgotten it now
17:39.43Wormy_I want to play Go
17:40.18HachimanImagine three-dimensional Chinese checkers
17:40.54dromI got Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
17:41.06Vincent20100What?!
17:41.12Vincent20100What's it's description?
17:41.14TekDroidI got Simon Bolivar on the quiz. O.o
17:41.31MedwedianPresideAnyway
17:41.36MedwedianPresideLet's get back on topic.
17:41.39drom"He became a radical thinker, modernist and Turkish nationalist."
17:41.48MedwedianPresideI would like somebody to work me into the Xonexi Schism
17:41.53Vincent20100Mmm...
17:42.01dromIn short, nationalist.
17:42.50TekDroidI got the guy who basically liberated South America from Spain.
17:43.22dromKemal led a civil war that gave Turkey independence in 1923.
17:43.34MedwedianPresideHello
17:43.45MedwedianPresideTek, Wormy, whoever is involved in the Xonexi Schism
17:43.48dromFew years after the crushing defeat in WWI
17:44.29TekDroidWhere is your fiction located?
17:45.24dromA majority of the Xonexi are Andromedans
17:45.37MedwedianPresideMy fiction is currently in progress.
17:45.41MedwedianPresideI did a page for my ruler.
17:45.51MedwedianPresideWill do the page for my nation soon.
17:46.04MedwedianPresideLink to ruler page: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Theodor_Lynden_Frankenstein
17:46.40TekDroidWell the Xonexi Allies are in Xonexi in general. :P But centered in Andromeda
17:47.54MedwedianPresideMy nation is in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way
17:48.11MedwedianPresideIf i am in the wrong fiction, what wars are currently going on in the Milky Way?
17:48.19Vincent20100drom: I went reading on it...
17:48.47dromVincent20100: ?
17:48.54Vincent20100on your dude, ataturk
17:48.58Vincent20100looks cool
17:49.29Vincent20100My weapon of choice? Soviet Missiles!!
17:49.34dromAh. I see.
17:51.19TekDroidI think I hit the speeches option for that question. Those are always great for inspiration and morale.
18:02.19TekDroid:/ I have my first midterm in 4 hours.
18:11.31dromgotta go and parition my hard drive. so I can do more things in Bootcamp
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18:30.18GhelHello.
18:30.20Wormy_Hi
18:30.40TekDroidHello
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18:34.52GhelHello.
18:35.20Wormy_So apparentely, if I was a revolutionary, I'd be Thomas Paine (whoever he is)
18:35.54Wormy_Born in England in 1737 and having immigrated to the American colonies in 1774 at the age of 37, Thomas Paine tirelessly broadcasted the merits of reason and radicalism in a series of innovative pamphlets that quickly became popular. In the American colonies, Paine made his name with his pamphlet "Common Sense" which argued for independence from the British empire and republicanism as the only rational means of government. Relishing
18:36.06Wormy_, Paine advocated for personal liberties, property rights, an end to the slave trade, a separation of religion and state, and rationalism. Though never learning French, he was deeply involved in the French Revolution and was granted honorary French citizenship. He returned to the United States in 1802 and died in 1809.
18:37.08Wormy_Ilike personal liberties and rational decision making, so I guess thats true
18:40.25GhelYour first line cut out after "relishing".
18:41.38GhelI got Angela Paine, who was (is?) apparently a communist, despite answering against Marxism on the relevant question (although not with the explicitly pro-capitalist answer).
18:42.04GhelProbably because I'm more of an academic than a guerilla soldier.
18:42.54Wormy_Relishing the freedom of the colonies, Paine
18:43.30CyrannianI got Angela Paine too.
18:44.07Wormy_I think the most powerful revolutions were won by better memes, coming from academics and new thinkers
18:44.20Wormy_Like the Enlighte4nment
18:44.26CyrannianWhich is weird because I'm certainly not a communist.
18:44.49Wormy_I deliberatly chose the capitalist/democratic one
18:45.04GhelI assume there are more than enough communist revolutionaries that it's not programmed as one of Paine's defining features.
18:45.07MonetI think the test might be more on personality and attitude than political leaning
18:45.10Wormy_Its not perfect by any means but vat least it can evolve and is dynamic
18:47.12CyrannianIndeed
18:47.53GhelAnd I just noticed that I said "Paine" as a way of specifying which one of two individuals named "Paine" I was referring to.
18:48.23MonetCommunism by way of Josef Stalin's idea was a heavy corruption anyway to the point Karl Marx would turn in his grave.
18:48.29TekDroidIt's probably that each question and answer is also weighted equally in the result.
18:49.13Wormy_I used to find communism likerable until I actually researched it
18:49.23TekDroidYeah.
18:50.03Wormy_On the politcal compass I'm nearly anarchist lol
18:50.04MonetKarl Marx had an interesting idea. Problem is, history has told us that heirachies tend ot form among humans no matter what we do.
18:50.14TekDroid^
18:50.19TekDroidDefinitely.
18:50.20Wormy_indeed
18:50.38GhelHumans, like other primates, are a naturally hierarchial species.
18:51.19TekDroidDecisions are made easier and faster when done by a smaller group rather than the whole.
18:51.30Wormy_Somehow I doubt anarchy can support a dynamically progressive, rational, tolerant and open society
18:51.42TekDroidIt can't
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18:52.44Wormy_Democracy is the only one we have that can, since it creates a consent of new ideas to be made and not just by institutions that try to sustain a way of life and become static
18:52.55GhelSo an alien species may not tend to form hierarchies and thus have a more equal society, but in return decision-making amongst the group will be slower (and technological development may also be stymied without a tendency to form classes of philosophers/scientists/engineers).
18:54.02Wormy_I don't know, I might be wrong about my claim about anarchy.  But could such systems like science work in one?
18:55.18TekDroidWith anarchy you have to effectively give the right for individuals to oppress or be intolerant of others, and which leads to a contradiction
18:55.29GhelScience could certainly work in an anarchy. It's not as though it works in our society by the hereditary passing of job title or by dictators ordering people to go into scientific careers.
18:56.30GhelBut it helps to have the necessary infrastructure for science and technology to already exist. It's how feasibly the division of labour would occur in early agricultural societies that I'm not sure about.
18:56.40MonetWouldn't seniority itself be a form of heirarchy?
18:56.47TekDroidYep.
18:57.11Wormy_Yeah its the infrastructure, not process of science, I worry about
18:57.20TekDroidIndeed
18:57.21Wormy_in anarchism
18:58.09MonetScience is considered the fourth form of industry, its a minority compared to Secondary and Tertiary and only forms when there is enough Tertiary industry
18:58.12TekDroidMany modern anarchists seem to be the tear down everything time.
18:58.17GhelIf we're dealing with humans, they'll band together and sort things out, perhaps with their own mini-hierarchies (that, being in an anarchistic society, have no legal status but exist on an ad hoc basis).
18:58.31GhelThe problem is if large groups of people become anti-science and decide to destroy the infrastructure.
18:59.03GhelAny institute that works in science would then need its own security force.
18:59.48TekDroidI'd think you'd see a lot of spreading of those claims that technology lead to heirarchy and such.
18:59.49Wormy_In a way the Enlightenment philosophers were quite anarchist, and so can science be.  It is ideas that are contested, not people.
19:00.33Wormy_It all pins down how open an anarchist society is to new ideas, and its tolerance
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19:01.39Wormy_If anarchism is to sustain a way of life, it can't progress,  it will end up like the Easter Islanders and not like Stone Henge society which were older, more advanced, and also cut down most of the forest and lived in a much harsher environment
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19:02.19Wormy_Easter Island was possibly an environment that trapped their way of life
19:02.46GhelAnarchism might only pose a threat to big science, though. Individuals working on their own things in the privacy of their own homes should be fine barring dedicated witch-hunts, it's just that a lot of science can't be done that way any more. Low-hanging fruits and all that. For the same reason, it doesn't pose a threat to many other human endevours such as art.
19:03.25Wormy_Yes
19:03.48Wormy_Maybe an anarchist society could advance its knowledge in other fields like art
19:04.36Wormy_Art in our society in the last hundred years or so has been said to be thwarted by bad philosophy, like positivism which tried to make it look stupid and irrational
19:05.13Wormy_at least academically in philosophy
19:07.00dromAnd I'm back!
19:07.13TekDroidHello
19:07.58Wormy_I find this scene from a documentary quite emotional, its the triumph of Newton's ideas and how they changed our way of life http://youtu.be/eLVaRcXy5es?t=1m34s
19:08.39TekDroid"This video is not available"
19:11.27Wormy_There is another link not on youtube
19:12.27Wormy_I'll find it
19:13.46TekDroidWhenever I think of anarchy though what comes to mind are those anarchy rioters, like one that happened near me in Toronto during a G20 summit, which definitely ruins its opinion for much of the public.
19:16.12Wormy_can't find it
19:16.40Wormy_I think thats a very stereotyped view of anarchy though
19:16.47TekDroidYeah.
19:18.15Wormy_try that http://youtu.be/WqGvQEP1Shw?t=11m26s
19:18.37Wormy_There was the whole doc not on youtube but now its not visible
19:18.39TekDroidSame thing with other ideologies like communism where people bring up things like Stalin.
19:20.26Wormy_If sciemce did get big in anarchism, it might well end up changing it completely
19:21.50Wormy_People would start to question the slow and probably irrational equalised institution, which pretends to know everything when it only relies on rules of thumb.  People would be dis-satisfied
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19:22.22Wormy_hi
19:22.23TekDroidOf course many sciences depend on large and/or expensive projects.
19:22.25TekDroidHello
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19:23.22drom|scrubingOh boy.
19:24.54GhelHello.
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19:33.30Wormy_Ghel:  http://guidetoreality.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/geometrogenesis.html
19:35.15Wormy_Basically, it describes how geometry and space evolved as a phase transition, that the precursors to space could have been different phases but with the same physical processes going on.
19:35.20GhelIt looks like progress.
19:35.45GhelOf course, quantum gravity would be made easier if it could be experimented with.
19:37.01Wormy_One day I'm sure
19:44.30SpuI've added the two last unnamed Void Fortresses on the map
19:44.32Wormy_wishes he could understand the shape dynamics paper
19:45.21SpuSo we have; Osdaemonis, Akharavzund, Nagravaek, Mitaarek, Avarnasmaarek, Sarhadrilant and Isarindranaas
19:47.26SpuI might as well make a page on Void Fortresses
19:47.41CyrannianIs there a difference between when you call yourself "Spu" and when you call yourself "Xho"?
19:48.15SpuNope
19:49.42CyrannianI am disappoint
19:54.43SpuNow whether to put Void Fortresses as a building page or a fiction page
19:57.15SpuHm
19:57.16GhelIf you're going to make them as buildings in Spore, then make a building page.
19:57.26SpuWell making them as buildings in Spore
19:57.31SpuThat would take a lot of effort
19:57.32SpuA lot
19:58.39MonetToo complex?
19:59.37SpuPretty much
19:59.44SpuAnd I have little skill in the building editor
20:03.22Wormy_http://phys.org/news/2014-10-nasa-science-fleet-oct-mars.html
20:11.10TekDroidSo I have a multiple choice question where the answers are two sets of inequalities (A>B, A<B, C>D, C<D) and you're supposed to say which single one is incorrect. O.o
20:13.06TekDroidOf course it's basically an ethics questions so math is irrelevant. XD
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20:15.02Knight_AlienHi
20:15.05TekDroidHello
20:15.28MonetHello
20:16.51GhelHello.
20:17.20GhelTekDroid: That's a pretty bizarre question.
20:18.59TekDroidAlso a 5th answer of C=D
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20:19.46TekDroidHello
20:19.55Angrybirds_Heya
20:20.39TekDroidSince there's no answer key for that question I don't even know what it's supposed to be.
20:21.30TekDroidEither way there's always 3 answers incorrect and we're supposed to say which single one is incorrect. O.o
20:23.26TekDroidAlso turns out the what I thought was a midterm practice was actually a final exam practice. Which explains why I didn't know half of it. XD
20:25.56Spuhttp://www.dv247.com/guitars/randall-667--211295 Oh dear god this amp is for sale
20:26.07SpuMy wallet might just become empty
20:31.02Spuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxWyKtoUYE What it sounds like
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20:39.17WormynatorHi
20:39.44TekDroidHello
20:40.23GhelHello.
20:41.37Cyrannianhttp://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/282/e/e/spore__republic_shuttle_by_cyrannian-d82720s.png - New ship
20:42.12Wormynatoratomtronics http://phys.org/news/2014-10-cold-atom-ammeter-superfluid-current-strong.html
20:42.27WormynatorI'm reinstalling Spore tomorrow!
20:42.41TekDroidYay
20:42.57WormynatorI also got Assassins Creed II and III
20:44.46MonetII: Great, III: ehh it depends who you are
20:44.53MonetSOme find it lame I find it decent.
20:46.53WormynatorSo the upper limits of stellar mass isn't an exact science, perhaps other processes are going on stars exceeding 150 solar masses?  http://phys.org/news/2014-10-upper-limit-massive-stars.html#ajTabs
20:47.17Wormynatorif they exist of course
20:48.06WormynatorMonet:  Should I play II first?  Fighting red coats does look kind of fun even if I would be plating a republican
20:48.56MonetHmm.
20:49.11MonetI'd say yes primarily to understand what's going on for the 2012 stuff
20:50.16MonetUbisoft were helpful enough to make a intro sequence in II where esmond explins who he is, how he's reliving memories, the Assassin-Templar war and the conclusion he made at the end of the first game.
20:50.22MonetDesmond*
20:55.35WormynatorI used to play Prince of Persia
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21:01.15GhelHello.
21:03.15WormynatorI think ASSC 3 will be my enty point, I don't have a great deal of time to play games on top of everything
21:03.43WormynatorI'm sure ASSC II is good but III looks really enticing
21:04.00WormynatorAnd if I like the satory, I'll play the others
21:04.31CyrannianOoh, James Earl Jones will be voicing Darth Vader in the premiere of Rebels
21:06.04WormynatorIt sounds almosat like if I really like II first III won't be as good
21:09.48MonetA lot of people were dissapointed with III, although I think its a mix between "same old stuff, little exploration" and "II and its sequals were much more refined"
21:09.59MonetIII's a bit of a low point for some people although I had fun with it.
21:10.13MonetWeather did have an effect on battles.
21:10.31HachimanEw ACIII
21:10.34HachimanDon't start there
21:10.50HachimanStart at the original AC like normal people
21:11.07SpuBrotherhood was the best one if you ask me
21:11.25MonetHachiman: Most people actually started with II
21:11.47MonetThe game didn't get really famous until the launch of II
21:14.00WormynatorI hear AC 1 was repetitive
21:14.12SpuAll the games were fundamentally repetitive
21:14.20SpuStoryline was its strongest point by far
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21:15.36MonetYeah but the original was the same methodology though every mission
21:15.56MonetProbably becaus ethe original was trying to keep faithful as to what an assassin does.
21:18.40WormynatorStoryline did attract me to it
21:19.03WormynatorOkay I'll play II first.  I'm not playing 1 though unless I get really into it
21:19.28WormynatorIt doesn't really matter, I bought both
21:19.33Wormynator:D
21:20.38Wormynatorfuck it I'll play both
21:20.53WormynatorI'll put III on my edesktop and II on my laptop
21:21.09MonetII is much better.
21:21.14WormynatorThen I can play one from home, one from where I stay closer to uni half the week
21:21.24MonetIts one of those rare cases where the sequal is far better than the original.
21:21.39Wormynatorindeed
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21:22.38WormynatorHachiman:  I will never bow down to normality
21:29.29WormynatorWTF?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-29552557
21:29.38WormynatorOkay I'm not weird enough to do that
21:30.25TekDroidO.o
21:30.27WormynatorHah hjah
21:30.30Knight_AlienWeirdism ftw!
21:30.38Knight_AlienOh....
21:30.43TekDroidActually that would use more water IMO.
21:31.31MonetWould it? You're peeing while taking your morning shower.
21:31.34WormynatorWhere I live, its mostly limestone and there's water reservoirs everywhere so we don't worry about saving water
21:31.40HachimanIt wouldn't, you wouldn't be flushing which uses up a lot more water than pissing
21:31.42TekDroidInstead of a gallon or so from a flush you have a shower pouring down the whole time.
21:31.50MonetSo while it may use extra water, it wouldn't be as much as flushing
21:32.05MonetIts also efficient
21:32.17MonetMore time for study and rpoductive work!
21:32.30Wormynator*reproductive
21:32.39Hachimanyee
21:33.39MonetI have an en-suite shower so the hygene risks for me are less extreme
21:33.47MonetWell, less of a concern
21:34.02TekDroidI share a shower with 3 other people.
21:34.18MonetOf course I'll probably need ot get into the habit of cleaning the shower of every new flat I move into
21:35.35WormynatorI usually pee in the sea
21:36.29WormynatorItsa full of the waste of millions of species so it doesn't matter
21:37.14MonetMillinos of fish poo in the sea so your wee-wee should be fine
21:38.01WormynatorDon't pee in swimming pools though, a good few have that chemical that turns green
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21:38.36MonetEspecially not from the top diving board :p
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21:42.32dromgutentag
21:43.05Knight_Alienhi
21:43.30Angrybirds_airHey!
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22:00.54dromAwh, I was going to tell Cyrannian that I quoted.
22:05.45Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Alpha_Grox_(XorgLord) Noob fiction of the week ladies and gents
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22:07.05Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Alpha_Grox_(XorgLord)) Better link
22:08.50dromLooks more like Grox has gotten an injection of the Micheal Bay doctrine, if not WarGaming spilled out their own onto them.
22:11.30dromIf the definiation of "exaggrated" isn
22:11.33drom't enough.
22:11.47HachimanIt's almost like some people don't know how to write properly
22:11.50HachimanFanfic peasants
22:16.16HachimanIf people come here aiming to make fiction they should at least have the decency to at least read the featured articles to get some grasp about how to do it without fucking up
22:17.44MonetNot everyone is a perfectly articulate author but I understand where you are ocming from
22:18.10HachimanYou don't have to be a perfectly articulate author
22:18.20HachimanYou just need to know how to do something properly
22:18.49WormynatorSome people are good writers freom the onset, others take time to develop.  I feel that only now, my fiction feels rich enough to build on and easily create new content.
22:20.07WormynatorWhen I first made fiction it was pretty crap.  My Tigris War contribution was a few thin sections, with the DCP always winning
22:20.33Spuhttp://mrambisinistrous.deviantart.com/art/Team-Fighter-2-Captain-Demoman-vs-Nightmare-Medic-487435836 Got bored again
22:21.01Wormynatorthough fiction in those days was more like a game
22:21.27HachimanSpu: NiiN - [shao khan intensifies]
22:21.45SpuNiiN -  MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAT              SCHWEINHUND
22:21.47WormynatorI think it took at least two years for my stuff to be mature, and about three years of refinement to where it is now
22:22.06MonetThis was 2009/2010 me http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Theian?oldid=375861
22:23.40Wormynator2008 me http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Fiction%3ADelpha_Coalition_of_Planets&diff=77665&oldid=77074
22:24.06Wormynator<PROTECTED>
22:24.19WormynatorThe story follows the events and history of the Content: Grimbolsaurians Empire from cell, space and eventually onmipotentency.
22:24.45WormynatorThe Delpha Coalition of Planets or DCP is an alliance of several races and many subject speciesin the Delpha Sector forged (or forced!) by the all mighty and powerfull Grimbolsaurians Empire spreading its influence over 1000 light years.The DCP do accept alliaces but they do not give mercy to enemies.  All enemies so far have been either completely abliterated or enslaved but they are losing the war and territory against the Gro
22:24.59Spuur english was bad and u shuld feel bad
22:25.21Wormynatorlol
22:26.09MonetWith this in mind maybe we shouldn't insult users who make what looks like bad fiction
22:28.11WormynatorI feel like my articles need a retouch already tbh
22:28.33WormynatorBut I'll get stories out the way first
22:30.28Wormynatorhttp://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Creature%3AGrimbolsaurian&diff=80881&oldid=77187
22:31.54Wormynatorfacepalms http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets?diff=next&oldid=86596
22:34.29WormynatorI think it blew Jo's brains apart
22:34.40Wormynator*brain
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22:35.20TybusenHachiman: Those glasses will net you mega moe points
22:35.32Hachimanfuk ur moe
22:35.47HachimanToo many encounters with pedo neckbeards for me to like moe anymore
22:36.06Wormynatorwuts a moe
22:36.18HachimanMoe = cutesy anime
22:36.42Wormynatorgagh
22:37.11TybusenSpeaking of anime, have you read the new SnK chapter yet?
22:37.17HachimanI have
22:37.33HachimanIt's all falling into place now hur
22:37.57TybusenThe memory scene is so chaotic that I still don't think I fully understand it yet
22:39.45HachimanI had to deal with one neckbeard in my class this week who tried to convince me that some harem anime I can't remember the name of which features the main protagonist being the only male teacher in some nursery who gets pursued by fucking babies who want to gain his love isn't pedophilic in any way
22:40.12Tybusenech
22:40.37WormynatorCrazyRussianHacker's built a wood cutting water hose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oNwR6RnBG0
22:41.03HachimanIt's full-on loli with no brakes and I can't respect anybody who enjoys lolis in anime
22:42.38TybusenI can probably tolerate loli if it's not the main focus of the show but I do get really disgusted by it
22:42.57HachimanPedophiles ruin anime for me
22:44.31MonetAccording to TV tropes, this is disputedly the original moe character http://bettyboop.com/files/2012/09/Bettyw_Long-Red-Dress1.jpg
22:45.20TybusenBetty Boop doesn't really fall under the modern definition of moe
22:45.44MonetOkay maybe not the modern definition.
22:45.49TybusenI really hate the neckbeard culture precisely because they go full pedo on 8-year old anime girls
22:46.38MonetThen again animation was wierd back in the 20s
22:46.51Monet30s*
22:46.57TybusenAlso, supposedly moe is supposed to be the type of cuteness that makes you want to take a big-brother sort of liking to a character, not a sexual or romantic attraction really
22:47.46HachimanAnd then people ruin it with incest
22:48.27TybusenIt freaks me out that there are people that support incest ships unironically
22:48.51TybusenIt's why I stay pretty far away from the Frozen fandom
22:49.34HachimanIt's why I stay out of fandoms in general
22:50.20TybusenIf I join a fandom I tend to want to stay only in the sane sections of it
22:51.37TybusenI got annoyed the other day because the Touhou subreddit got filled up with too much sexualized fanart
22:52.13WormynatorI got fed up of Deviant art in te end
22:52.28TybusenDeviantart is okay if you know which parts to go on
22:53.06TybusenThe Pokemon fandom on DA tends to be reasonable
22:53.36TybusenYou start looking at the Sonic, MLP, and Naruto sections and your screen gets flooded with bad OCs and unnecessary sexualization
22:54.56HachimanWormynator: Have you ever heard of the animator Don Hertzfeldt?
22:55.03WormynatorDA is either really good or really bad
22:55.41WormynatorLooking, is he that sci-fi artist from DA you used to show me?
22:55.46HachimanHe does really good satirical and philosophical yet simplistic animations which often tend to encompass humour, and he doesn't animate for pay either
22:55.51HachimanNope
22:56.25HachimanWormynator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMsyOowMaEY
22:56.35WormynatorNever heard of him, but I think I've seen his art
22:57.11HachimanHe does everything through traditional techniques and minimal digital assistancwe
22:57.31Wormynatorlol its quite funny
22:57.32HachimanIncluding light play and the likes
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23:00.01dromI think my mental behaviour has changed. That my middle-name has changed to "Anxiety".
23:00.49HachimanThat's edgy
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23:01.40WormynatorI have anxiety too
23:01.52WormynatorLast week I thought a demon was out to get me
23:02.31WormynatorI like all the aliens in it Hachi
23:03.23HachimanI don't think they're aliens hur
23:03.34HachimanI think they're posthumans but I could be wrong
23:03.57HachimanDon also did a Simpsons couch gag featuring the Simpsons family as radical posthumans
23:04.21WormynatorThey did go from human to increasingly alien looking
23:05.12HachimanWormynator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bf-MPCXguA
23:05.47dromI have grown anxious recently, that I don't want to make social contacts, avoiding other humans when I don't feel safe.
23:05.51HachimanWormynator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78gYyTrG7Y Sorry, better quality one here
23:07.48WormynatorHomer still continued to get dumber through the years it seems
23:07.55HachimanAye
23:08.12HachimanDon actually did that animation for the Simpsons for free and was allowed creative freedom over it entirely
23:08.47HachimanIt's actually a punch at how the Simpsons have lessened in quality since their beginning and how they're concerned only largely with money and lack of effort
23:09.00HachimanAnd how it will continually get worse until it ends
23:10.32dromHertzfeldt is a fucking animation god.
23:10.41HachimanAye he is
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23:11.01DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
23:11.11MonetFucking hell my course leader just used a smiley in a comment response!
23:11.49MonetHe gave me some feedback, I said I wil laccept the challenge he gave, his appreciation for my enthusiasm was explained with a :D
23:12.23dromI loved his Genre movie.
23:13.03HachimanI will always hold Rejected as my favourite animation of his, The Meaning of Life is a close second
23:13.21MonetI should mention that the comment was though comments on personal blogs we have for our course.
23:13.29Monetmy course*
23:15.02MonetHachiman: The original series of the Simpsons focused more on general family problems
23:15.09HachimanAye it did
23:15.22HachimanThat's why it was popular
23:15.25MonetNowadays what normally happens is Homer or a townsperson fucks up _> plot
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23:16.24HachimanI like how Hertzfeldt's posthumans are portrayed as being much smaller and compact than modern humans
23:17.43HachimanMakes me wonder if that's the direction humans could actually go in the future rather than being tall, lithe things
23:17.59MonetWell it is a more efficient form
23:18.57MonetWhat need is there for huge bulging muscles when either machines or synthetic muscle does al lthe work?
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23:22.22HachimanI said to my mother that in 100,000 years time we could end up looking like squidlike entities rather than the human template we are today
23:22.32TybusenThat actually makes me think of that recurring character across a number of cartoons where a big threatening robotic character is shown to be piloted by a cute diminuitive alien thing
23:22.34HachimanShe said if I didn't shut up she'd make me look like a squid person now
23:23.17TybusenHachiman: Gotta embrace the future
23:28.55HachimanI wonder what sort of environment would encourage us to become smaller and more molluscine
23:29.09HachimanProbably somewhere cold
23:31.14Knight_Alientest
23:33.51Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10313716_1527470230803380_4899870709103328687_n.jpg?oh=d0fcd4e5204cd49fe812776445462022&oe=54B33E39&__gda__=1421055571_5d360914df0478a5e57142e4c5c68feb This level of cringe shouldn't be legal
23:35.23TybusenTumblr is 50% social justice wannabes
23:36.09Knight_AlienI never started nor tried to create a Tumblr or Instagram.
23:37.24TybusenTumblr is mostly good for finding random humor and sometimes decent SJ posts, but there are times when you want to punch someone's face when they're acting like a shithead SJ wannabe
23:39.44Knight_AlienThat moment when AJ is streaming on twitch and you can't sign in.
23:45.03WormynatorHachiman:  Well, there is this narccistic woman I know who thinks she is a savant and great poet, and even believes she started the cleanup operation after the England riots from a post she made on facebook.  Anyway, she recently said she thinks she was autistic, so people asked her that question...  She removed their comments
23:45.15WormynatorShe removed comments of anybody critical of her
23:45.41WormynatorSo some people do need challenging for their claim
23:46.08Wormynatorinstead she has the biggest ego i've ever seen
23:46.28WormynatorHer husband has told me he wants to leave her and finds her annoying
23:46.44Knight_AlienThat is bad XD
23:46.48Hachimanolol
23:48.15Wormynator<PROTECTED>
23:48.25Knight_AlienXD
23:48.38Wormynator<PROTECTED>
23:50.15Knight_Alienwow.
23:50.29WormynatorBut she said she felt like a rock star
23:50.42Knight_Alien:|
23:50.47Knight_Alien*Facepalm*
23:50.59HachimanTo be fair "Britain's Got Talent" isn't actually about talent
23:51.25HachimanIt's about skill more than anything and showing how far away one is from mediocrity
23:51.41HachimanIronically it's usually singers who win
23:51.54HachimanThe most mediocre of the lot
23:52.21Knight_AlienThat Let it go thing is so over done......
23:56.17WormynatorI really want to find the clip
23:59.50MonetI remember GTA V did a take on X factor. The show, called Fame or Shame, had stuff like "mimes on fire" or something stupid and cringeworthy. One of the full-length episodes shown had this rock guitarist singing a song about how he was playing a power ballad and the audience went nuts

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