| 00:07.27 | TekDroid | Lost my entire army and reserves in Vicky 2. >.< |
| 00:09.29 | Wpormy | I've been eating pumpkins al week |
| 00:09.39 | Wpormy | they're delicious |
| 00:09.54 | Wpormy | Of course, I've had them before, but not this amount |
| 00:10.12 | Wpormy | Like a potato cross pepper |
| 00:26.23 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 01:12.30 | TekDroid | Stupid AI. The last remaining enemy army has occupied half my country, and though we easily outnumber the enemy they're all on an entirely different front. >.< |
| 01:13.37 | Monet | Stupid AI indeed. |
| 01:14.35 | Monet | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium#History looking a lot more fleshed out now, maybe I should update a couple of the pictures though |
| 01:22.03 | TekDroid | Taking a look |
| 01:27.42 | Monet | I admit by "fleshed out" I mean "bigger paragraphs" |
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| 01:30.09 | Monet | I'm trying to cover a lot of history. So what will probably end up happening is the "modern times" section will be much larger than the "pre-modern" section |
| 01:31.22 | TekDroid | I wouldn't want to see you try and do over 200 millenia. XD |
| 01:32.36 | Monet | History overload! |
| 01:34.35 | Monet | Or they perhaps know things that we weren't meant to (yet) |
| 01:35.16 | Monet | Although I think I hinted at this with *possible* interaction with the MW precursors |
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| 01:40.27 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 01:57.02 | Zillafire101 | Hello all. |
| 02:06.25 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
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| 02:21.26 | ElectricPlanty | (test) |
| 02:22.02 | ElectricPlanty | hey Knight |
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| 02:29.41 | Vincent20100 | HEy |
| 02:31.13 | ElectricPlanty | hello vincent |
| 02:33.05 | DrodoEmpire | Back. :P |
| 02:35.34 | Knight_Alien | Hi Vincey and also Hi Electric. |
| 02:36.17 | Knight_Alien | I will be up for talks and Roleplaying in about 5 mins so Ping me if needed. |
| 02:40.23 | ElectricPlanty | ok |
| 02:41.28 | Knight_Alien | I am back for some jolly cooperation. |
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| 02:44.44 | Knight_Alien | Hello |
| 02:46.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hey GD |
| 02:47.25 | GD12 | hello |
| 03:00.19 | ElectricPlanty | hey Knight can i have the link to the finding of the electric planty |
| 03:00.54 | Knight_Alien | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Finding_of_the_Electric_Planty?title=Fiction%3AThe_Finding_of_the_Electric_Planty&cb=8893#Act_2_part_3 |
| 03:06.07 | Vincent20100 | Hi ElectricPlanty |
| 03:06.58 | ElectricPlanty | hello i guess |
| 03:07.23 | Vincent20100 | Nice to meet you |
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| 03:14.45 | Knight_Alien | Well that was quick.... |
| 03:27.29 | Knight_Alien | So Vincent are you doing anything? |
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| 05:47.42 | Tek0516 | O.o The Republicans in the US are Liberal in Vicky 2. |
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| 06:05.33 | Tek0516 | I swear economy party policy is inverted from most modern parties. XD |
| 06:05.41 | Tek0516 | *in. Vicky 2 |
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| 08:38.13 | drom | It looks like that High-contrast mode really helps me. |
| 08:59.55 | drom | Gotta love our national grocery chain. |
| 09:00.55 | Liquid_Ink | Oh? |
| 09:01.19 | drom | They make funny commercials. Weekly |
| 09:03.50 | Liquid_Ink | What like? |
| 09:05.21 | drom | They do have an official channel of all of their commcerials and aired statements. But they don't offer English captions. |
| 09:05.31 | drom | So you'll have hard time to understand those. |
| 09:05.40 | drom | But let me try to example one. |
| 09:07.51 | drom | An employee "Ulf" asks to his staff chief "Stig" for "How many zeroes does one thousand contain?". While Stig complains about to "Eco"-ifiy everything and igrones Ulf's question. Leaving him confused and empty-handed. Then he makes his own determination that 1 thousand has 1 thousand zeroes. |
| 09:08.32 | drom | So he makes an order of Eco-products in a quanitity of 10^1000 |
| 09:10.03 | drom | In other words, an order of googolplex of Eco-products. |
| 09:10.16 | drom | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex |
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| 09:11.11 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 09:11.21 | Liquid_Ink | Facinating |
| 09:12.22 | drom | It leaves me laughing. Because a googolplex is more than our universe's total atoms. |
| 09:12.41 | drom | Hi, Jepardi. |
| 09:13.22 | drom | And an other old ol' gold example. |
| 09:15.33 | drom | The same chief, Stig, has gotten a bad temperament. Which gives him an extremely wrinkled face. |
| 09:17.00 | drom | Groaning past his co-worker in the market. An other employee named Sebastian conforts him near the vegetable desks. |
| 09:19.31 | drom | He comments on how Stig's face looks like a barcode. He then exaggrates the sitaution by getting a nearby barcode scanner and testes it on Stig's forehead. |
| 09:19.39 | drom | Guess what happened then? |
| 09:21.31 | Liquid_Ink | What? |
| 09:23.40 | drom | The barcode scanner read Stig's face as a barcode for "Sundried Tomatoes". |
| 09:23.45 | drom | I actually thought it was funny. |
| 09:26.32 | drom | On an other interesting fact about them. One of their commercial cast actor has Downs. |
| 09:29.48 | drom | Here's one of the commercials featuring him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_kL9JgFd64 |
| 09:29.57 | drom | Keep in mind that it's not English. |
| 09:38.23 | drom | An other commercial featuring Ulf getting a new ginger BBF "Inger". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYaBsemb1po |
| 09:39.22 | drom | BFF* |
| 09:40.10 | drom | I find it funny how youtube think that we are talking Dutch, not Swedish. |
| 10:06.51 | drom | How your local grocery chain? |
| 10:06.57 | drom | How is* |
| 10:10.42 | Liquid_Ink | Vile and malevolent. |
| 10:12.52 | drom | And their commercials are crap too? |
| 10:14.48 | Liquid_Ink | Their products are crap. |
| 10:21.42 | drom | So, in other words. Oppisite to ICA? |
| 10:25.35 | drom | I heard that there's a german low-price chain in where you live? |
| 10:26.23 | Liquid_Ink | Not that I know of. |
| 10:26.26 | Liquid_Ink | Which would that be? |
| 10:28.34 | drom | Aidl, Lidl? |
| 10:31.13 | drom | http://i.imgur.com/4uq88S6.jpg |
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| 10:35.01 | Hachiman | Hi |
| 10:38.17 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 10:45.29 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 10:59.39 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 11:05.34 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:08.52 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:20.05 | Wormy | Hi |
| 11:21.20 | Wormy_ | A shapeshifting demon is haunting every one of my dreams. |
| 11:24.08 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.08 | Monet | Maybe its a sign? |
| 11:25.04 | Wormy_ | Secondly it was a stalker who would argue with me about anything I said, and I couldn't escape. |
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| 11:25.30 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
| 11:25.31 | Wormy_ | Now tonight I was being hunted by a Jeepers Creeper's type entity |
| 11:25.34 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 11:25.42 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:26.30 | Wormy_ | It kept trapping me in the fake realities of hich I was waking up into. |
| 11:26.36 | Wormy_ | *which |
| 11:34.31 | Wormy_ | Last year, while I was on my 2 week lone geological trip in the middle of nowhere, I was haunted |
| 11:35.13 | Monet | Did you have ocntact with anyone else on this trip? |
| 11:35.19 | Wormy_ | Every morning I would wake up with a shocking terrifying monster looming at me and a sense of doom. They were so strange looking I couldn't receollect them afterwards |
| 11:35.50 | Wormy_ | Nope, only people walking on the mountain, and occasionally the owner of the bed bunker |
| 11:36.37 | Wormy_ | Though I do remember waking up with a tiny cube floating over my head, and a slip opening with something emerging out of it |
| 11:36.46 | Wormy_ | *slit |
| 11:37.02 | Wormy_ | Last year's dream demon was a lot scarier I must say |
| 11:37.44 | Wormy_ | Actualy, it made me think of a goblin |
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| 11:50.51 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:53.45 | Technobliterator | hii |
| 11:55.34 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 12:02.01 | Technobliterator | i'm fine |
| 12:02.03 | Technobliterator | you? |
| 12:02.34 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Have you watched Fairy Tail? |
| 12:03.09 | Hachiman | I haven't |
| 12:03.15 | Hachiman | Looks too fanservice-y for mw |
| 12:03.18 | Hachiman | me* |
| 12:03.31 | Hachiman | And too much like Naruto and Bleach and One Piece and shit like that |
| 12:03.45 | ImpyDroid | Fanservice-y? As in? |
| 12:03.48 | Liquid_Ink | Techno: Pretty good |
| 12:05.03 | Hachiman | Fanservice-y as in too many cowtits and ridiculous armour |
| 12:05.20 | ImpyDroid | rite |
| 12:05.33 | ImpyDroid | Strangely enough all people I know like it are girls |
| 12:06.28 | ImpyDroid | Anyway, do you have any ideas why there are FT-themed keys in anime shops? |
| 12:06.45 | Hachiman | Because why wouldn't there be |
| 12:07.13 | Hachiman | I've seen mouse mats with moe characters on them, don't see why there wouldn't be Fairy Tail-themed keys |
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| 12:08.30 | ImpyDroid2 | ...Did you say anything? |
| 12:09.41 | Hachiman | Because why wouldn't there be |
| 12:09.42 | Hachiman | I've seen mouse mats with moe characters on them, don't see why there wouldn't be Fairy Tail-themed keys |
| 12:10.09 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%C4%81 Also quotes pls and suggestions for a top quote |
| 12:11.25 | Hachiman | Also anybody is free to make TÄ characters |
| 12:11.32 | OluapWorker | Ta page is done |
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| 12:11.35 | OluapWorker | It truly is the end times |
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| 12:15.39 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1390716_732944530108599_1158560780207817438_n.jpg?oh=6cb405e4b9adfbeacdce15f77661c29f&oe=54AF728C&__gda__=1422991557_776a716fc73ed1cdcf2dc4375943314d |
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| 12:16.38 | OluapWorker | Quoted |
| 12:17.33 | Hachiman | olol Koluap's quote |
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| 12:24.18 | OluapWorker | Hachiman ImpyDroid: Can you two rp today} |
| 12:24.20 | OluapWorker | ? |
| 12:24.45 | Hachiman | I can |
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| 12:31.39 | ImpyDroid2 | OluapWorker: Ya I can |
| 12:31.43 | OluapWorker | gud |
| 12:32.13 | OluapWorker | I'm thinking of only doing one team rp this weekend, unless you want to do more |
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| 12:34.51 | ImpyDroid2 | Well we'll be celebrating Alyona's birthday tomorrow |
| 12:35.33 | OluapWorker | Right |
| 12:35.39 | OluapWorker | I'll let you party with your waifu hur |
| 12:37.34 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid2: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%C4%81 quote pls |
| 12:37.46 | Hachiman | And anybody's free to provide suggestions for a top quote |
| 12:38.29 | OluapWorker | "I want 20" -Gardin |
| 12:40.46 | Vincent20100 | HEy |
| 12:41.43 | ImpyDroid2 | Rite |
| 12:45.17 | ImpyDroid2 | "Devilish in their ingenuity, humanity seems to have a rampant urge to twist themselves and rebuild the world in their own image. Their warped imagination, however, may sometimes yield unusual and interesting fruit" - Senthi Leviticai, Radeon scientist and philosopher |
| 12:46.57 | Hachiman | Nice |
| 12:47.25 | Wormy_ | indeed |
| 12:49.54 | Hachiman | Wormy_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:T%C4%81 You might be interested cuz posthumans, also if you could would you be able to leave a quote in the Quotes section? |
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| 13:12.21 | Knight_Alien | test |
| 13:14.21 | Wormy_ | I'll have a look in a bit |
| 13:14.26 | Wormy_ | I have to go now |
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| 13:40.54 | Vincent20100 | Hey guys |
| 13:49.48 | drom | Ghelae: Some porn for you. http://i.imgur.com/lVm5w1v.gif |
| 13:50.31 | Ghelae | Just what I always wanted. |
| 13:51.41 | drom | When I saw it first in a gallery, I thought it was at first a universe in a blub. |
| 13:52.39 | drom | Then I watched it again. Wasn't disappointed. |
| 13:53.50 | drom | dislodges some of Vincent20100's teeth with a gloriously straight right* |
| 13:53.58 | drom | Hello there! |
| 14:16.24 | Wormy_away | test |
| 14:16.47 | Wormy_away | drom: "To see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wild flower, to hold infinity in the palm of one's hand, and eternity, in an hour" by William Blake |
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| 14:49.08 | Monet | Hello |
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| 14:52.11 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 14:52.33 | Monet | Hello |
| 14:52.55 | OluapWorker | ~smack Cyrannian |
| 14:52.58 | infobot | ACTION smacks Cyrannian upside the head. |
| 14:53.03 | Cyrannian | ~lick OluapWorker |
| 14:53.03 | infobot | ACTION licks OluapWorker *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 14:56.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:11.17 | Vincent20100 | Hey dudes and dudettes |
| 15:14.14 | Cyrannian | Hi Vincent |
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| 15:17.26 | Imperios | Hiya |
| 15:19.53 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 15:26.18 | Wormy_away | I hate stupid photoshop, you have to go through a stupid to even make a straight line just to satisfy its hipster smart arse bloody art/design types |
| 15:26.26 | Wormy_away | stupid process |
| 15:26.45 | Vincent20100 | ^.^ |
| 15:27.50 | Wormy_away | I'm trying to use its gradient tool to create a glowing v shaspe halo around Station Halcyon |
| 15:28.43 | Wormy_away | I've got it to do almost what I want, except in the opposite shade |
| 15:28.43 | Monet | There's a "polygon lasso" tool |
| 15:28.51 | Monet | If that helps |
| 15:29.04 | Wormy_away | I'll look for it |
| 15:29.23 | Monet | Press Shift+L |
| 15:29.44 | Monet | The lasso tool should change into one that's joined by a jagged shape |
| 15:30.54 | Wormy_away | "Warning, no pixels were selected" |
| 15:31.04 | Wormy_away | That isn't even telling me what to do |
| 15:31.34 | Wormy_away | its like a stubborn mule |
| 15:32.07 | Wormy_away | ah now ive got it |
| 15:32.09 | Monet | Draw it over a layer with pixels, then you can use and move the shape regardless of pixels |
| 15:32.27 | Wormy_away | now its drawing lines all over my layer |
| 15:32.59 | Wormy_away | right |
| 15:33.58 | Wormy_away | um, how do you deselect it once you are done? |
| 15:34.15 | Wormy_away | I can't the cursor about without making a mess |
| 15:34.24 | Wormy_away | drag the |
| 15:34.36 | Monet | ctrl+D |
| 15:35.03 | Monet | Although with the polygon lasso you have to join the shape up exactly. |
| 15:35.42 | Wormy_away | ah |
| 15:38.08 | Monet | I happen to be studying to be one of those hipster smart arse bloody art/design types lol xD |
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| 15:38.24 | Wormy_away | Hm, I tried adding a gradient inside my triangle but then I miss out on a gradient towards outside the triangle |
| 15:38.49 | Wormy_away | I'm not calling all artists or designers like that but I think photoshop is made for them |
| 15:39.24 | Wormy_away | Most programs are intuitive and easy to use but some programs are stupidly interfaced |
| 15:42.05 | Wormy_away | Nope the gradient tool is an unusable lump of shit |
| 15:42.15 | Monet | Interestingly one of the things my couse is building up is an image that i'm not some layabout hippie who took up art classes because he failed badly in his more academic lessons. |
| 15:42.22 | Wormy_away | Is there any other way to create a glow effect |
| 15:43.37 | Monet | Use of faded-edge brushes, opacity levels and changing what type of composition layer you are using |
| 15:46.02 | Monet | What you want is a brush with a lower flow setting, a blurred edge to it and using an overlay-set or lighten-set layer rather than a normal layer. |
| 15:48.22 | OluapPlayer | ~poke Imperios |
| 15:48.22 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Imperios, pokes Imperios repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:48.29 | Imperios | Aight |
| 15:48.31 | Imperios | I am on Skype |
| 15:48.43 | OluapPlayer | gud |
| 15:51.03 | Wormy_away | Monet: I've thought of something, if it fails I'll try your suggestion. Basically to create a shape (I need a triangle) and play with the dynamic gradient that lets you change the angle (I think the angle is what I'm hanging up over since its 3D colour space translated into 2D on the curve) |
| 15:51.33 | Wormy_away | Unfortunately, there are no custom triangles, just stupid shapes like polygons nobody uses |
| 15:51.43 | Wormy_away | WTF photoshop? |
| 15:51.55 | Wormy_away | purposefully hard |
| 15:52.32 | Monet | Actually one of my first photoshop lessons this term was with that tool |
| 15:53.43 | Monet | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--jYsWI6bk9s/VCLEabeNRVI/AAAAAAAAAIs/IfJ83QtGFDQ/s1600/Invisible%2BCities%2BSet%2B2b.jpg Aside form the last image and maybe the second-to-last one this is what I made |
| 15:54.23 | Wormy_away | how does one make triangles |
| 15:54.52 | Monet | Judgement by eye and accuracy with the mouse |
| 15:55.44 | Monet | when a little circle appears in the corner of the polygon lasso icon that indicates the next node placement will compelte the shape |
| 15:55.48 | Wormy_away | There is only a rectangle, ellipse, line and custom shape |
| 15:56.09 | Wormy_away | and polygon |
| 15:56.49 | Monet | You can use the polygon to make ordered shapes |
| 15:57.44 | Monet | I freaked out as well when I couldn't complete my first polygo nshapes |
| 16:04.00 | Imperios | Monet: Dem squiggly lines |
| 16:04.04 | Imperios | What is it supposed to be? |
| 16:04.21 | Monet | A canal city. But I drew it very abstract |
| 16:05.14 | Monet | The city I was given to interpret for that one mentioned that every destination involved crossing both land and water in order to get to it. |
| 16:05.56 | Wormy_away | this thing hidden away might help http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2010/07/exploring-photoshop%E2%80%99s-angle-gradient-tool/ |
| 16:06.11 | Wormy_away | my complaint about ps is that these things are hidden |
| 16:11.38 | Monet | True |
| 16:11.57 | Wormy_away | Right, I've used to the lasso tool to make a triangle, but now its crashed because the lasso tool is so dumb |
| 16:12.03 | Monet | It is a very powerful and versatile tool once you get the hang of it |
| 16:12.14 | Monet | Wait what? |
| 16:13.44 | Monet | Mate, calm down. |
| 16:14.03 | Monet | There must be another explaination |
| 16:15.15 | Wormy_away | I'm really fustrated because the gradient almost does what I wanted, but the with the opposite hue. The reverse tool as well as playing with foreground/background, the hue bar doesn't make it any better when it SHOULD BE SO SIMPLE TO USE |
| 16:17.01 | Monet | You're angry, yes. Although I don't know how to use the gradient tool so I don't know how much I am helping |
| 16:17.20 | Wormy_away | I'm not angry at your suggestions |
| 16:17.51 | Wormy_away | It might help if I show you what I'm doing |
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| 16:18.02 | Wormy_away | You will laugh at how easy it should be |
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| 16:19.11 | Monet | I've known the hue tool to be a pain when multiple colours ar einvolved |
| 16:19.14 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:19.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 16:19.45 | Wormy_away | See where the three long lines point up? Imbetween, I want a white triangle which fades into the black background. Using the gradient editor, the best I can achieve is making the triangle black, note while http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140112201738/spore/images/3/38/HalcyonStation.png |
| 16:19.59 | Wormy_away | *not white |
| 16:20.52 | Monet | Hmm. |
| 16:20.58 | Wormy_away | The other gradient options don't seem to allow you to change the angle |
| 16:21.24 | Wormy_away | Its always horizontal |
| 16:21.26 | Monet | I have one idea |
| 16:21.53 | Wormy_away | What is that? |
| 16:22.25 | DrodoEmpire | So apparently there's a mod that changes the name of the Ottomans to "Kebab" and the French to "Baguette"... |
| 16:22.31 | DrodoEmpire | *an EUIV mod |
| 16:23.10 | Monet | Perhaps add a gaussian blur to the layer, and then outline the triangles and use a perspective warp to make it look like the wide light fans out the further they are from the base of the station? |
| 16:23.43 | Wormy_away | I'll try |
| 16:23.55 | Wormy_away | Where do I find those things though? |
| 16:24.10 | Monet | FIlter -> blur for the blur tool |
| 16:24.31 | Monet | Edit -> transform for the transformation options |
| 16:25.13 | Vincent20100 | Drodo: Does it also change France's flag to a White one? |
| 16:25.28 | DrodoEmpire | No. :P |
| 16:26.26 | Wormy_away | Genius |
| 16:26.29 | Vincent20100 | It should also change England to "Tea Bags" |
| 16:26.34 | Wormy_away | Thats drawn me a perfect ttriangle |
| 16:27.19 | Monet | Fabulous! |
| 16:27.33 | Monet | Vincent20100: THanks to AB, French Surrender jokes are rare here. |
| 16:27.49 | Monet | And are often taken in bad taste with several people. |
| 16:27.52 | Vincent20100 | Really... |
| 16:28.19 | Vincent20100 | But I'm still hearing Canadian jokes... :( |
| 16:28.57 | Monet | Its mostly because AB and several Katarian users are well-aware of how much of a fricking badass France once was |
| 16:29.20 | Vincent20100 | Once upon a time... |
| 16:29.24 | Monet | And so "we surrender" is rather humiliating. |
| 16:29.41 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 16:29.52 | DrodoEmpire | Well Canada isn't France, Vinny. :P |
| 16:30.11 | Monet | And I think Germany invaded the first time because of said badass status. |
| 16:30.39 | DrodoEmpire | And yes, French jokes about their cowardice are untrue and in fairly bad taste; Personally I'm fine with Canada jokes so long as they aren't too offensive or obviously not-kidding around. |
| 16:30.43 | Wormy_away | Thats done it! Thank you Monet |
| 16:32.09 | Monet | Also contrary to belief, France fought tooth-and-rusty-nail against Germany during WWI and the reason they went though Belgium to invade is because of a line of nigh-impenetrable fortifications along the French-German border. |
| 16:32.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 16:33.23 | DrodoEmpire | France had a major contribution to the first world war war effort, and the campaign in France was hardly a cakewalk. :P |
| 16:33.30 | Vincent20100 | Ho, it's not really about WWI |
| 16:33.34 | DrodoEmpire | Nor was the invasion of Poland. |
| 16:33.36 | Vincent20100 | ¸It's more about WWII |
| 16:33.49 | Monet | Two words: French Resistance |
| 16:33.51 | DrodoEmpire | Again, the WWII invasion of France was hardly a cakewalk |
| 16:33.59 | DrodoEmpire | And then there's a resistance |
| 16:34.05 | Vincent20100 | Well... |
| 16:34.12 | DrodoEmpire | Why are you trying to justify an obviously unfair stereotype? |
| 16:34.40 | Monet | France *did* surrender, yes...and consequently formedone of the most defiant and determined resistance movements of the 20 century. |
| 16:34.42 | Vincent20100 | "Resistance" is a big word. A lot of historian are actually debating about the actual importance of teh resistacne mouvement |
| 16:34.52 | DrodoEmpire | Like who? |
| 16:35.33 | Vincent20100 | A teacher once told me their was as much Collabos than Resistants |
| 16:35.42 | DrodoEmpire | And even if they weren't incredibly important at a tactical or strategic level; The fact that they did fight so long and hard for their country completely destroys any accusations of cowardice |
| 16:35.58 | Vincent20100 | And that the vast majority of the population choosed to stay out of both categories |
| 16:36.34 | Monet | Vincent20100: The Patriots were only a minority of the American population during the war of independance |
| 16:36.44 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 16:37.04 | DrodoEmpire | Just because *everyone* wasn't a resistance member didn't mean they didn't recieve popular support |
| 16:37.08 | Monet | Most of the people living in the colonies either supported the crown or wanted nothing to do with it. |
| 16:37.41 | Vincent20100 | The big problem is Also Vichy |
| 16:37.42 | Vincent20100 | I mean... |
| 16:37.50 | DrodoEmpire | Vince, your argument is silly and what your trying to prove is utterly absurd. Stop it. |
| 16:37.55 | Vincent20100 | How can we justify Pé.tain |
| 16:38.03 | DrodoEmpire | What? A satellite state? |
| 16:38.09 | Vincent20100 | I'm not trying to prove anything Drod, I'm just questionning |
| 16:38.29 | Vincent20100 | Well, Pétain didn't offered any resistance by himself when he was in charge of the French forces |
| 16:38.45 | Monet | He's one politician though |
| 16:38.50 | Vincent20100 | De Gaules was cool that said |
| 16:38.52 | DrodoEmpire | How can we justify your trying to make an entire population of millions look bad or cowardly from the decisions of one man? |
| 16:39.04 | DrodoEmpire | That's idiotic, frankly |
| 16:39.10 | Vincent20100 | Drodo, you are misinterpreting my words here |
| 16:39.31 | Vincent20100 | I'm not trying to make them look bad, but some assumptions about defending france could be re-questionned too |
| 16:39.36 | Monet | TBH VIncent, that's like saying that all Brits are elitist toffs who want out of the EU because that's what David Cameron wants. |
| 16:39.59 | DrodoEmpire | How so? You bring up a single person who was a coward and trying to make that sort of apathy seem like a popular opinion |
| 16:40.05 | Vincent20100 | I actually never said the French were cowards( except in the original joke) |
| 16:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | It wasn't |
| 16:40.43 | Vincent20100 | Drodo, stop taking my questions for my idea about the French |
| 16:41.05 | Vincent20100 | Questions =/= my opinion |
| 16:41.10 | DrodoEmpire | I don't understand. Restate that? |
| 16:41.30 | DrodoEmpire | I never directly said that was your opinion; I'm attacking your claim |
| 16:41.40 | Vincent20100 | I mean, I never said French were coward. But it is a fact that some of them (like everywhere) were cowards. |
| 16:41.45 | Vincent20100 | Such as Pétain |
| 16:41.55 | Vincent20100 | Well, these are neither claims |
| 16:42.06 | DrodoEmpire | So frenchmen "everywhere" were cowards and yet you only have a single example? |
| 16:42.21 | Vincent20100 | By everywhere = everywhere in the world |
| 16:42.45 | Vincent20100 | There is also cowards in Amercia, China... |
| 16:42.57 | Monet | Some Frenchmen may have been cowards, but that doesn't justify the idea that the French in general are cowards. |
| 16:43.07 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 16:43.37 | DrodoEmpire | Again, WWII was the only major war in recent times (if I'm correct) that they lost. :P |
| 16:43.41 | Monet | [17:34] <Vincent20100> "Resistance" is a big word. A lot of historian are actually debating about the actual importance of teh resistacne mouvement >> "a lot" in this case being your teacher? |
| 16:44.00 | Vincent20100 | Not, there is many documents on the inter-web |
| 16:44.16 | Monet | Don't trust every internet source |
| 16:44.26 | DrodoEmpire | Where they written by reputable Historians? :P |
| 16:44.47 | DrodoEmpire | If not, I probably wouldn't give them too much thought unless they had a *really* good point |
| 16:45.23 | Monet | ALso teachers are not infallable. |
| 16:45.27 | Wormy_away | Hawkwind - Wind of Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIPOquS8dbM |
| 16:46.47 | Monet | As I understand it teachers even today in the US tell kids about how Christopher Columbus set out on a voyage with the intention to find a route to China and India and prove the Earth was round. Correct? |
| 16:46.55 | Vincent20100 | HOnestly, I cannot blame them. Living in that time, I would probably tought the Germans would be winning |
| 16:47.14 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: I think |
| 16:47.25 | Vincent20100 | Not sure about "to prove earth was round" |
| 16:47.35 | Vincent20100 | But to find route, yah |
| 16:47.42 | Monet | Well proving the Earth was round was a lie. |
| 16:47.43 | DrodoEmpire | And they're half right; It wasnt to prove that it was round; It was to find more spice trade routes |
| 16:47.59 | DrodoEmpire | That was already at least somewhat accepted by that time I believe |
| 16:48.00 | Monet | COlumbus - Money dear boy |
| 16:48.21 | Vincent20100 | [12:47] <Vincent20100> Not sure about "to prove earth was round" |
| 16:48.22 | DrodoEmpire | In China and India |
| 16:48.35 | Vincent20100 | I think it was De Gamma that wanted to prove earth was round |
| 16:48.46 | Monet | No one needed to |
| 16:48.53 | Vincent20100 | The dude that got killed by Indonesians |
| 16:48.59 | Monet | Everyone accepted the Earth was round thanks to Archimedes |
| 16:49.34 | Monet | I recall the assumption at the time was that Columbus planned to sail across 6000+km of open oceon, something the ships at the time could not manage. |
| 16:50.24 | Monet | They thought he'd run out of supplies long before he arrived in Indonesia. |
| 16:51.12 | Vincent20100 | yah, it was Vasco de Gama who wanted to sail accross the Earth and got killed |
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| 16:55.35 | Vincent20100 | Honestly, I consider the people of Afghanistan or even Vietnam to be examples of Brave peoples |
| 16:55.51 | Monet | So not France? |
| 16:56.14 | Vincent20100 | I would say thewy are good people |
| 16:56.27 | Vincent20100 | Neither Brave or Coward. Like Canadians, Americans, English |
| 16:56.45 | Vincent20100 | They are just good guys |
| 16:57.26 | Vincent20100 | The Afghans and Vietnameses, kicked the shit out of the superpowers of their time... |
| 16:58.36 | Vincent20100 | That's Bravery with a big B |
| 16:59.14 | Monet | British ehh...scuse me if patriotic but I'd say the British had balls during WWII for fighting germany, deflecting air attacks and surviving. |
| 16:59.54 | Vincent20100 | They had, but their situations wasn't has bad as the Vietnamese or the Afghans |
| 17:00.40 | Monet | Britain was barely surving off imports fro mthe US and the colonies, we turned pots and pans into planes. |
| 17:00.49 | Monet | surviving* |
| 17:01.38 | Vincent20100 | There wasn't a giant technological chasm s these two that said |
| 17:01.55 | Vincent20100 | I would even say British had better techs for planes |
| 17:02.12 | Vincent20100 | Which is all to your glory |
| 17:02.35 | Monet | Turned gardens into vegetable patches and bomb shelters. the Sten-line submachine guns were made to be built at a local smithy |
| 17:03.07 | Vincent20100 | These thrid world countries had almost no production-mean, that's even worse! |
| 17:03.32 | Monet | Weren't the Afghans using guns bought with US money? |
| 17:03.49 | Vincent20100 | You litterally had to pick guns from dead troops or wait for foreign allies to be able to pierce blockdade for them to ship you their second-hand weapons |
| 17:03.51 | Monet | And wasn't the Viet Nim secretly backed by Russia? |
| 17:04.09 | Monet | Minh* |
| 17:04.14 | Vincent20100 | Because you think the Russian sent them their best weapons |
| 17:04.25 | Vincent20100 | They sent them second-handed rifles |
| 17:04.43 | Monet | AKs happen to be very solid weapons. |
| 17:04.54 | Vincent20100 | Yah, but f |
| 17:05.00 | Vincent20100 | but agaisnt a tank... |
| 17:05.14 | Monet | In the Vietnamese jungles... |
| 17:05.31 | Vincent20100 | Burned to the ground by napalms |
| 17:06.02 | Vincent20100 | With no training at all |
| 17:07.08 | Vincent20100 | With the US using their newest choopers, air fighters |
| 17:07.29 | Imperios | Monet: >Soviet |
| 17:07.31 | Imperios | :P |
| 17:07.35 | Imperios | *Soviet |
| 17:07.42 | Vincent20100 | Thank you Imper [[ |
| 17:07.48 | Vincent20100 | ^^ |
| 17:08.00 | Imperios | I think pretty much every single force back then was funded by one of the Cold War superpowers |
| 17:08.03 | Imperios | Imper |
| 17:08.09 | Vincent20100 | And if that isn't enough, look at the death stats |
| 17:08.17 | Imperios | That's how my Russian Internet friends used to call me |
| 17:08.37 | Vincent20100 | What the death ratio of England vs German and what is the Death ratio of Vitnameses vs US |
| 17:09.16 | Monet | Not sure on the war in general but for Battle of Britain... |
| 17:10.06 | Vincent20100 | Just to give you an idea, the US and allies lost like 250k while North vietnam lost 1.2M |
| 17:10.25 | Monet | almost 1000 British casualties against ~3200 German casualties |
| 17:10.30 | Knight_Alien | WW2 had 2,000,000,000 Deaths all together. |
| 17:10.40 | Vincent20100 | 2 billions?! |
| 17:10.53 | Vincent20100 | Not sure on this one |
| 17:10.59 | Knight_Alien | That is what this says all together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country |
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| 17:11.26 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 17:11.36 | Knight_Alien | hi |
| 17:11.42 | Vincent20100 | Knight: Over 60 million people were killed |
| 17:11.47 | Monet | Unfortunately that lists Germans dead though all conflicts, not jsut those against Britain |
| 17:11.49 | Vincent20100 | Knight, first line of the page |
| 17:12.03 | Vincent20100 | 27M were soviets |
| 17:12.10 | Vincent20100 | and more than 20 Chineses |
| 17:12.15 | Knight_Alien | I looked at the Approx total. |
| 17:12.17 | Vincent20100 | *&20M |
| 17:12.19 | Ghelae | 2 billion was the total world population of the time. |
| 17:12.31 | Vincent20100 | Thanks Ghelae |
| 17:12.35 | Ghelae | Total deaths is the second column from the right. |
| 17:12.43 | Ghelae | 60 to 85 million |
| 17:12.46 | Vincent20100 | Deaths in WW2 are between 60 and 70 M |
| 17:12.51 | Knight_Alien | Well I didn't write it just showed it. |
| 17:12.54 | Vincent20100 | Well, it depend the stats |
| 17:13.11 | Vincent20100 | I heard up to 70, 875M may still be possible |
| 17:13.20 | Vincent20100 | *85 |
| 17:13.32 | Monet | Also I question how many of those Vietnamese died from the mass napalming in the late war. |
| 17:13.54 | Monet | Which could have tipped the numbers massively |
| 17:14.21 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#mediaviewer/File:World_War_II_Casualties.svg |
| 17:14.42 | Vincent20100 | Well then, if you discount the Vietnam civilians, you have to discard the English civilians too |
| 17:15.31 | Monet | And unlike England and Germany, the only deaths of Americans in Vietnam were Americans *in* Vietnam |
| 17:15.47 | Monet | in the vietnam war* |
| 17:15.51 | Vincent20100 | No, I also counted SOuth Vietnam civilians |
| 17:16.25 | Knight_Alien | So are you guys discussing which war had more deaths? |
| 17:16.26 | Vincent20100 | We can't just ignore tham |
| 17:16.39 | Vincent20100 | No really |
| 17:16.41 | Knight_Alien | Or their Bravery othe rsomthing. |
| 17:16.49 | Monet | Knight_Alien: Bravery |
| 17:16.51 | Vincent20100 | We are trying to see who had the most hard time, Vietnameses or English |
| 17:17.46 | Knight_Alien | England was bombed cut off from supplies and overall assualted all the time. |
| 17:18.11 | Vincent20100 | Because you think Vietnam was at peace most of the time? |
| 17:18.32 | Monet | America and Russia escalated the conflict, I know this |
| 17:18.39 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 17:18.42 | Knight_Alien | Vietname , well they were bombed has Supplies but were also assualted but they had the upper hand since they knew their lands and German Piolits don't need to know Britains land. |
| 17:19.08 | Monet | Germans were being trained to though |
| 17:19.29 | Vincent20100 | And English too |
| 17:19.33 | Vincent20100 | While vietnameses... |
| 17:19.35 | Vincent20100 | Well... |
| 17:19.47 | Vincent20100 | Not sure 15 years old kids are trained soldiers |
| 17:20.57 | Vincent20100 | ANd the technology chasm between US and vitnamese was way bigger. |
| 17:21.01 | Monet | Here's an example for understanding British bravery: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Keep-calm-and-carry-on-scan.jpg this very famous poster was made during WWII, but was never actually published. Chiefly because there was never actually a point where Parliament felt the poster was needed. |
| 17:21.40 | Vincent20100 | I'm not saying the English weren't brave |
| 17:22.16 | Monet | My point is that Britons have enough guts to "keep calm and carry on" without being -told to-. |
| 17:22.20 | Vincent20100 | I'm just saying that, the Vietnameses's situation was way worse |
| 17:24.55 | Vincent20100 | NNot that the brits were fine that said |
| 17:24.59 | Monet | I duppose I don't have much grounds to argue givne my understanding of the Vietnam war is vague at best |
| 17:25.18 | Knight_Alien | So personally I think poland is the bravest , they were caught off guard by Germany and russia and fought till the end , they saw they were going to lose but fought on till their death. |
| 17:25.27 | Ghelae | So really, this discussion is nothing to do with bravery? |
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| 17:25.42 | Knight_Alien | If you can face death in fight on then you are brave. |
| 17:25.44 | Monet | Wait Russia? |
| 17:25.46 | Vincent20100 | True Knight |
| 17:25.50 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 17:25.55 | Vincent20100 | Russia invaded poland with Nazi Germany |
| 17:26.03 | Monet | ...you sure? |
| 17:26.05 | Vincent20100 | Yes |
| 17:26.29 | Vincent20100 | Stalin retook territories the Poles stole from Russia during the Revolution |
| 17:26.42 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, he's right |
| 17:26.50 | DrodoEmpire | Poland was attacked by the Soviets. |
| 17:26.55 | Knight_Alien | Poland may not have been assualted like Britain and Vietnam but Poland was a smaller country and was cut of supplies mostly and fought on. |
| 17:27.16 | Knight_Alien | They knew the land and survived for some time. |
| 17:27.32 | Monet | "smaller country and was cut of supplies mostly and fought on." |
| 17:27.35 | DrodoEmpire | Poland fought hard; Contrary to popular belief the campaign for Germany against them was fairly long and costly. |
| 17:27.41 | Knight_Alien | They were not dependent on U.S or Russian Supplies so they take the goal. |
| 17:27.59 | Monet | That line made me think of the UK |
| 17:28.09 | Vincent20100 | Nobody really liked the poles in the batlic region |
| 17:28.53 | Knight_Alien | So that is my thought. |
| 17:29.10 | Vincent20100 | It was kinda of a creation of the Allies after WWI, to assure supremacy in the region and prepare to fight the revolutionnaries |
| 17:30.32 | Vincent20100 | And generally, to piss off a bit more Germany |
| 17:30.41 | Monet | Revolutionaries? |
| 17:31.04 | DrodoEmpire | Those got-dayum reds? Ya mean? |
| 17:31.19 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 17:31.28 | DrodoEmpire | Uh huh. :P |
| 17:31.33 | Knight_Alien | So do you guys still hold your lands of Britain and Vietnam or have you seen what I am talking about? |
| 17:31.35 | Vincent20100 | To have a jump point |
| 17:32.17 | drom | Guten tag. |
| 17:32.51 | Vincent20100 | If I remember correctly, the french and other nations even send battleships into the Balack see to fight off the Forming Soviets |
| 17:32.52 | Monet | I always thought theRussian Revolution had honest intentinos |
| 17:32.59 | Vincent20100 | They had |
| 17:33.36 | DrodoEmpire | What do you mean by "honest" though? :P |
| 17:33.39 | Monet | Russian Citizens were facing a life where money had virtually no value whatsoever while the ROmanovs kept living the high-life |
| 17:33.43 | drom | Wormy_away: What you wanted to express with the quote you gave me before I went offline? |
| 17:33.46 | Vincent20100 | The navy sunk the soviets ships, but their land invasion attempt was a majestic failure |
| 17:34.09 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: That probably made communism look desirable, yeah |
| 17:34.50 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: "Honest" being restoring Russia's prestige from the economic depression and overthrowing the increasingly innefective Romanov dynasty. |
| 17:34.58 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 17:35.05 | Wormy_away | drom: The one from William Blake? I found it relevant to your vision of the universe in a light bulb |
| 17:35.11 | Monet | And allowing the Russian people to live something other than completely dirt poor. |
| 17:36.12 | drom | Wormy_away: Ah, I get it now. |
| 17:36.30 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#mediaviewer/File:World_War_II_Casualties.svg |
| 17:36.41 | Vincent20100 | I'm looking at this, and I can't stop thinking about the Schism |
| 17:36.43 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, under the soviets they went from "dirt-poor" to "slightly-less-poor-sometimes". :P |
| 17:37.07 | Monet | Power has a thing about turning decent men into dicks |
| 17:37.17 | DrodoEmpire | And also "not-actually-completely-broke-but-still-behind-western-standards" |
| 17:37.43 | drom | Vincent20100: Russia really need to get it's shit together. |
| 17:37.43 | Monet | And then we Westerners had the Great Depression. |
| 17:37.51 | Vincent20100 | YEs Drom |
| 17:38.00 | Vincent20100 | And the first thing to get right it's their name |
| 17:38.14 | Vincent20100 | USSR! |
| 17:38.23 | Monet | CCCP! |
| 17:38.31 | Vincent20100 | Soviet Power Supreme! |
| 17:38.41 | drom | KGB |
| 17:39.00 | Vincent20100 | My zippo is actually a zippo from a former KGB agent |
| 17:39.14 | Vincent20100 | It is the badge on it and all |
| 17:40.27 | *** join/#sporewiki GD12 (43b4106f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.180.16.111) |
| 17:40.34 | GD12 | hi |
| 17:40.48 | Monet | Hello |
| 17:40.52 | drom | Hey. |
| 17:40.59 | Vincent20100 | It require benzine to work... |
| 17:41.03 | Monet | We were just talking World War II |
| 17:41.17 | Vincent20100 | Dammit! Now I have a urge to go play Red Alert |
| 17:41.23 | DrodoEmpire | Hey GD |
| 17:41.34 | Monet | Benzene? THat shit's carcinogenic |
| 17:41.44 | Vincent20100 | Or World in Conflict |
| 17:42.25 | Vincent20100 | yah... a bit |
| 17:42.30 | DrodoEmpire | So from what I've heard North Korea may be on the verge of civil war or a coup. :P |
| 17:42.39 | Vincent20100 | But with a general healthy life style, it should be okay |
| 17:42.57 | Knight_Alien | NK is nearing a Civil war Drodo? |
| 17:43.02 | DrodoEmpire | Might be. |
| 17:43.05 | Vincent20100 | Unfortunatly, I haven't a helthy life style... ^^ |
| 17:43.09 | DrodoEmpire | Not much can be said yet |
| 17:43.25 | Vincent20100 | Well, it's been a long time we are saying NK is suppose to fall and yet |
| 17:43.32 | Knight_Alien | Well I can see why , their leader got mad over a movie :P |
| 17:43.38 | Vincent20100 | HOnestly, I will believe it when I see it |
| 17:44.08 | Knight_Alien | I wonder what the new North korea will do.... |
| 17:44.24 | Vincent20100 | Knight: That's whatis scaring me |
| 17:44.25 | Knight_Alien | If it even happens. |
| 17:44.58 | Knight_Alien | It will etheir make a new nation , join south korea , do somthing stupid or collapse entirely. |
| 17:45.00 | DrodoEmpire | Kim Jong Un hasn't appeared on camera; Not even at an important meeting/ceremony for several weeks now and there's been meetings between South Korea by NK's top officials and some of there statements suggest collapse or that Kim Jong Un isn't in charge |
| 17:45.25 | Vincent20100 | As crazy as it sounds, Kim is backed by several people in his "parliament" |
| 17:45.35 | Vincent20100 | Some of them will fight for him |
| 17:45.37 | DrodoEmpire | I do hope they join the South or at least becomes actually democratic |
| 17:45.46 | Vincent20100 | They prefer the fight over trial ^^ |
| 17:46.51 | Monet | North Korea is a dead idea really. |
| 17:47.06 | Vincent20100 | Well, there is black sheep in every family |
| 17:47.07 | Knight_Alien | I think only the greedy and rich would fight for NK everyone else would rebel. |
| 17:47.16 | Monet | Even the people of its own capital, the supposed elite, are still starving |
| 17:48.07 | Vincent20100 | I would still not sell the bear's pelt until it is dead |
| 17:54.13 | Imperios | DrodoEmpire: ...That wouldn't be good |
| 17:54.49 | Knight_Alien | Well SK will have more people on their hands is one thing. |
| 17:54.52 | Imperios | North Korea's government collapsing will result in South Korea and China getting flooded with refugees and migrant workers, and that won't affect their economy positively |
| 17:58.15 | Vincent20100 | North Korea's population is actually educated |
| 17:58.26 | Vincent20100 | ANd cheap labour |
| 17:58.45 | Vincent20100 | THey might become a good economic power house |
| 17:59.15 | Monet | How well educated though? |
| 17:59.34 | Monet | These days a lot of jobs require IT skills |
| 18:01.35 | *** join/#sporewiki Primius (63eee57e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.238.229.126) |
| 18:01.37 | Primius | IM BACK |
| 18:01.39 | Primius | HAHHAHAHAH |
| 18:01.49 | Primius | well |
| 18:01.57 | Primius | not that I'm evil or anything |
| 18:02.06 | Knight_Alien | Who are you? |
| 18:02.09 | Primius | But still, I'm back |
| 18:02.14 | Primius | Me? |
| 18:02.17 | Monet | Hello |
| 18:02.26 | Knight_Alien | Ya. |
| 18:02.48 | drom | Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/ZiC3Fuc.gif Gettin' pessimistic from watching tis. |
| 18:02.51 | Primius | I'm Azure on the wiki |
| 18:03.57 | Quark8 | hi |
| 18:04.04 | Knight_Alien | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Atom9a This is you? |
| 18:04.05 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios: Sorry for the wait, but perhaps not; It would have to be a slow and measured integration if they joined |
| 18:04.37 | Primius | Any current fictions occuring that the PFoE could join? |
| 18:04.46 | Imperios | That's possible, but very risky |
| 18:05.05 | Imperios | Look where "slow and measured integration" by Gorbachev take *us*, for example |
| 18:05.11 | Imperios | *took |
| 18:05.33 | drom | Awh, shit. It's dessert time! |
| 18:05.42 | Primius | ...I need a fic to join |
| 18:05.44 | Primius | And cya |
| 18:05.46 | Monet | Primius: Elaborate the name sorry? |
| 18:06.04 | Monet | Oh you mean the Primian Federation of Empires? |
| 18:06.09 | Primius | Yes |
| 18:06.17 | Primius | retained it |
| 18:06.27 | Primius | ~wave test |
| 18:06.27 | infobot | Bye, test |
| 18:06.31 | Primius | nope |
| 18:06.46 | DrodoEmpire | Hence "slow and measured"; I know it'd be a risk but its better than an unstable North Korea or what is basically an east Asian Somalia, in the worst case scenario |
| 18:08.07 | Primius | waits for an answer to his question |
| 18:08.31 | Vincent20100 | Well, have you created your fiction page? |
| 18:09.08 | Primius | Yeah |
| 18:09.45 | Primius | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3APrimian_Federation_of_Empires |
| 18:11.41 | Vincent20100 | Looks good. |
| 18:11.53 | Vincent20100 | BUt you should work on adding some pictures |
| 18:11.54 | Imperios | >east Asian Somalia |
| 18:12.09 | Vincent20100 | A flag is a good start |
| 18:12.11 | Imperios | Avat ye booty randrubbers |
| 18:12.41 | Primius | Kk |
| 18:13.03 | Vincent20100 | HEre is mine |
| 18:13.04 | Knight_Alien | I believe you must create and stablize your fiction before you feed it to others. |
| 18:13.07 | Vincent20100 | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140806164130/spore/images/4/40/Algolurn_Popular_Republic.png |
| 18:13.15 | drom | Imperios: Unlike rest of the world. Piracy is legal. Even on the internet. |
| 18:14.32 | Vincent20100 | The APR is gonna start Mining Operations in the Rift |
| 18:14.35 | drom | "Aaay! We boarded this website, and we demand a ransom!" |
| 18:14.58 | Vincent20100 | Drom: It's not "Aaay" it's "HARRR!" |
| 18:15.26 | Knight_Alien | Mining operations in the rift you say. |
| 18:15.47 | DrodoEmpire | Are there any galaxies open for colonization? |
| 18:15.47 | Vincent20100 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMJpHihykI |
| 18:16.00 | drom | Pronunciational barriers, ho! |
| 18:16.56 | Knight_Alien | Drodo I am not sure , but the Bunsen might be happy with a new Addition but Tybusem must be told. |
| 18:17.18 | Vincent20100 | YEs Knight, in the RIft |
| 18:17.39 | Knight_Alien | The one that seperates Dimensions right? |
| 18:17.42 | Vincent20100 | I'm gonna set up manned space station which will be maintaining wormhole network to the mainland |
| 18:17.51 | Knight_Alien | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Rift This one? |
| 18:17.59 | Vincent20100 | and unmanned ships are gonna harvest |
| 18:18.00 | Vincent20100 | No |
| 18:18.18 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Intergalactic_Rifts |
| 18:18.41 | Vincent20100 | The space between galaxies |
| 18:18.50 | drom | Gonna test to make a intergalactical deep-space ship with only a trackpad. |
| 18:19.01 | Vincent20100 | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141003130749/spore/images/4/4c/Rift_Collector.png |
| 18:19.13 | Vincent20100 | THois is gonna be my unmanned ship |
| 18:19.22 | Vincent20100 | Trackpad? |
| 18:19.30 | Vincent20100 | lol |
| 18:19.43 | Vincent20100 | Steam just tell me "Drom is playing Spore" |
| 18:20.55 | drom | It crashed because this goddamned iso didn't install directx |
| 18:23.10 | Primius | ... |
| 18:23.24 | Quark8 | ... |
| 18:26.34 | drom | It's working now. It have only warned me that my video card driver is extremely outdated. |
| 18:26.45 | drom | >2013 series Macbook Pro |
| 18:28.09 | Vincent20100 | lol |
| 18:28.37 | Vincent20100 | MEanwhile, NK is still using Commodore64 |
| 18:29.41 | Monet | It will say that for a driver it doesn't recognise |
| 18:32.32 | Imperios | Vincent20100: Ohgod you dug that page up |
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| 18:32.38 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 18:32.45 | Imperios | It still has my horrible Engrish |
| 18:33.05 | Vincent20100 | I what? O_o |
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| 18:43.53 | *** join/#sporewiki Primius (63eee57e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.238.229.126) |
| 18:43.54 | Primius | Hi |
| 18:43.58 | Primius | I added the flag |
| 18:46.08 | Imperios | Vincent20100: The rift page |
| 18:46.13 | Imperios | I made it several years ago |
| 18:46.19 | Vincent20100 | yah |
| 18:46.25 | Vincent20100 | Why not? |
| 18:46.31 | Vincent20100 | HO... necro-post |
| 18:47.15 | Primius | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Primian_Federation_of_Empires |
| 18:47.37 | Primius | Vincent20100: Check out the flag |
| 18:48.34 | drom | Imperios: Not exactly, Ghelae dug first that page up when we talked about a deep-space network for the Naakji Confederation. |
| 18:48.47 | drom | In an other channel though. |
| 18:50.59 | drom | Urgh. Spore is really selfish when it comes to settings. |
| 18:51.12 | TekDroid | Lol |
| 18:51.21 | Vincent20100 | PRimius Good! |
| 18:51.41 | Primius | Thanks, and g2g |
| 18:51.42 | Primius | bye |
| 18:51.53 | Vincent20100 | That kid is promising |
| 18:52.02 | Vincent20100 | BUt need to wrok ^^ |
| 18:52.11 | TekDroid | Interesting, the train that runs through my university has some stuff written in German. |
| 18:53.16 | TekDroid | Also needs to stay longer that just saying they posted an image. :P |
| 18:54.15 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 18:54.15 | infobot | it has been said that test is not funny |
| 18:54.25 | TekDroid | DC imminent |
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| 18:59.09 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 18:59.09 | infobot | [test] not funny |
| 19:06.09 | Quark8 | Primius: Nice flag. |
| 19:07.07 | TekDroid | Primius left 15 minutes ago. |
| 19:14.11 | Vincent20100 | back |
| 19:14.18 | Vincent20100 | Hi Quark87, nice to meet you |
| 19:14.37 | Vincent20100 | Guys, I have just made a space station and honestly... |
| 19:14.42 | Vincent20100 | I like it |
| 19:15.34 | drom | Vincent20100: Ain't she a beauty? http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141004191451/spore/images/f/ff/Naakjiumdpship.png |
| 19:16.43 | Vincent20100 | You made that with Spore editor? O_o |
| 19:17.55 | Vincent20100 | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141004191733/spore/images/1/17/APR_Rift_Mining_Station.png |
| 19:18.13 | Vincent20100 | The small thing with the ball is this |
| 19:18.14 | Vincent20100 | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141003130749/spore/images/4/4c/Rift_Collector.png |
| 19:18.25 | Vincent20100 | It's deleviring it's collect |
| 19:19.18 | drom | Yup. |
| 19:19.24 | Vincent20100 | Wow then... |
| 19:19.40 | Vincent20100 | look awesome to me Drom |
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| 19:19.59 | *** mode/#sporewiki [+o Ghelae] by ChanServ |
| 19:20.02 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:20.12 | Vincent20100 | What is your pseudo on spore Drom? |
| 19:21.01 | Quark8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.14 | Quark8 | opps |
| 19:21.54 | drom | I don't have one. |
| 19:22.00 | Vincent20100 | Ho... |
| 19:22.07 | Vincent20100 | So I can't add you ingame? |
| 19:22.21 | drom | Outside Steam, no. |
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| 19:29.49 | TekDroid | So today I got to see a replica TARDIS and 2 Daleks. |
| 19:29.56 | DrodoEmpire | Oh, cool |
| 19:29.58 | DrodoEmpire | Where at? |
| 19:31.27 | TekDroid | This event called "Geek Market", was on display there. |
| 19:31.28 | drom | Ghelae: What do you think of stellar objects trapped inside the fog? |
| 19:32.43 | drom | Ghelae: Also, ontop of that. I'm just going to call it "Void Nebula" |
| 19:33.30 | Wormy_away | Huh I think Hawkwind who I saw last night has had a slight influence of the Station Halcyon poster. |
| 19:33.34 | Wormy_away | *hue |
| 19:33.36 | Ghelae | If any fog is big enough to contain any large celestial objects, the fog itself will itself be a significant celestial body, like a gas giant. If you don't want it to become spherical under its own gravity, though, it could still fit relatively small objects like asteroids inside. |
| 19:33.54 | Wormy_away | I slapped something psychedelic on it |
| 19:34.39 | drom | Ghelae: Neutron stars. Those small and heavy stars. |
| 19:35.37 | Ghelae | Neutron stars would cause the fog to accrete on them. Eventually you won't have fog any more; either you'll have a bigger neutron star or a black hole. |
| 19:36.27 | Ghelae | As far as realism is concerned, the idea of a giant mass of thick fog in space really suffers from gravity problems. |
| 19:36.52 | drom | Ghelae: I see, but it can still make it's very own chamber if the fog is "firm" enough. |
| 19:37.42 | Ghelae | Is this fog supposed to be something that spaceships can travel through? |
| 19:38.08 | drom | If they can deal the pressure in a safe way. |
| 19:38.22 | Ghelae | Because if it's rigid enough to withstand those gravitational stresses, it's not going to be fog; it's just going to be a solid block. |
| 19:39.01 | Ghelae | Even if it's fluid in structural terms, it's not going to let a spaceship displace it. |
| 19:40.14 | drom | Hm. Let it be a fog then. |
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| 19:41.58 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:42.10 | Xho | I'm here to drink rum and fornicate with wenches |
| 19:42.13 | Xho | And I'm all outta rum |
| 19:44.21 | drom | Ghelae: I'm going to determinate that the void fog spans in the Xonexi area to Cyrannus. |
| 19:44.44 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 19:44.47 | Xho | u |
| 19:47.02 | OluapPlayer | I'll let you know I'm almost done with the next vampire section |
| 19:47.10 | Xho | o rly |
| 19:47.14 | OluapPlayer | yee |
| 19:47.22 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141003213926/spore/images/c/c1/Valentinianus_2.png Did you see my new shiny Valentinianus |
| 19:47.47 | OluapPlayer | I did |
| 19:47.49 | OluapPlayer | Quite shiny |
| 19:47.56 | drom | Ghelae: Or does it sound kinda too big for you? |
| 19:49.00 | Xho | On my travels today I started thinking about a new race for the Fantasyverse |
| 19:49.15 | OluapPlayer | bet it suks |
| 19:49.20 | Ghelae | If you're after plausibility, you're not going to be able to have a mass of fog larger than a gas giant, or maybe a small star. Although, since I don't know what this "fog" is supposed to be made of, I can't tell for sure. |
| 19:49.28 | Xho | Well it's not particularly significant |
| 19:49.31 | Xho | Well it might be |
| 19:49.38 | OluapPlayer | dat contradiction |
| 19:49.58 | Xho | Tenebrous Elves a.k.a. Shadow Elves |
| 19:50.11 | Xho | So, real dark elves in a sense |
| 19:50.25 | drom | Ghelae: Ain't nebulas mostly gaseous? |
| 19:50.51 | Ghelae | Yes, but they're also very, very sparse. |
| 19:51.32 | Ghelae | You may not be able to see all the way through the largest and thickest ones, but that's because you're looking through the entire nebula. Inside, you'd still have good visibility. |
| 19:52.32 | Xho | Whereas the Shiarchon are Void-style and Vila are Twilight-style, Tenebrous Elves would be pure-dark |
| 19:52.48 | Xho | As you can guess probably not the friendliest kind of elves |
| 19:52.56 | Ghelae | With this fog that you want, you need a high particle density to block the light, but if this corresponds to a high mass density then gravity's going to pull it into spherical forms, like how nebulae form stars. |
| 19:53.39 | Xho | I'd suppose they'd either be a hidden or dying culture in this day and age |
| 19:54.10 | drom | I might want to divide it in areas. The whole zone itself is "Void Nebula". But some areas are covered in this fog and some of them contain higher-density gas giants with crysalline cores. |
| 19:54.18 | OluapPlayer | emo elves |
| 19:55.09 | Xho | They'd have a fervent belief in AkhemazdrÃs rather than Simulacra so they're basically the dark analogue to any element based elf |
| 19:55.16 | drom | One near Cyrannus. One between Andromeda and Milky Way. Plus a smaller one between those two galaxies, Xonexi, and Cyrannus. |
| 19:55.20 | Ghelae | As for what these particles could be, they need to be electrically-charged to interact with light, but the matter overall needs to be electrically neutral otherwise electric repulsion is going to cause it to fly apart - unless gravity is strong enough to hold it together, which again requires a high density and so will limit its size. |
| 19:56.10 | drom | Of what's left, two lost stars and a neutron star. |
| 19:56.36 | Ghelae | If they're made of atoms (which, of course, meet these requirements) then you're not going to get anything larger than a planet made out of thick fog. |
| 19:56.39 | Xho | I might as well go make them now |
| 19:57.48 | drom | Why not those planets surronded by a nebula consisting the same atoms? |
| 19:58.08 | drom | If not gas giants in bigger ones. |
| 19:58.25 | Ghelae | You could have such a nebula, but it won't be dense enough to be a fog. Simply, a nebula-sized fog made out of atoms and feeling gravity is a contradiction. |
| 19:58.52 | Ghelae | The only fog will be the planets' atmospheres. |
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| 19:59.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:00.01 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 20:00.27 | drom | Ghelae: I think I believe too much in Star Trek physics. |
| 20:00.39 | Monet | Yes |
| 20:01.01 | Xho | I just realised there are two Void Fortresses that I haven't located nor named yet |
| 20:01.10 | Monet | Despite how pretty nebulae are, they have a material density marginally above that of the interstellar medium |
| 20:01.33 | OluapPlayer | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Vampires/The_Quest#The_Coronaira_Whip |
| 20:01.44 | Xho | There's Osdaemonis, Akharavzund, Nagravaek, Mitaarek, Avarnasmaarek so far |
| 20:03.34 | drom | Well. I can still have those gas giants/planets or flat bodies of this special fog inside nebula, sparse, dense or not. |
| 20:03.51 | drom | nebulas consisting of other atoms. |
| 20:04.08 | drom | Not the said atom which this "fog" mainly consists off. |
| 20:04.25 | drom | Like Hydrogen and Helium. Right? |
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| 20:04.55 | Ghelae | Yes, although I don't think there'd be a problem with the nebula containing the same chemicals as those which make up the fog as well. |
| 20:04.59 | Monet | drom: That is what nebulae typically consist of, along with traces of everything else. |
| 20:05.26 | Xho | "Kanna - Well, I am now able to confirm that there's a copious amount of shit in my pants. I say we run away now so I can change. Neat-o." |
| 20:05.27 | Xho | eyyy |
| 20:05.28 | Ghelae | In fact, it would be strange for the fog-matter to be found entirely in the planets and not at all in the surrounding space. |
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| 20:07.31 | drom | I see. |
| 20:07.53 | drom | The biggest nebula that we have discovered so far is about 600 ly in size. |
| 20:08.09 | drom | Do you think it's possible that it can be bigger than that? |
| 20:08.59 | Wormy_away | Is anyone who is a part of Station willing to tell me their full names, for the poster? |
| 20:09.06 | Wormy_away | Station Halcyon |
| 20:09.19 | Monet | drom: It might be. |
| 20:09.37 | Wormy_away | Or even second name |
| 20:09.37 | Monet | Personally I think nebulae may be overrated in terms of fiction potential. |
| 20:09.45 | Wormy_away | I might use my second name |
| 20:10.37 | drom | Monet: Aheh, Sci-fi is sometimes just all about "go crazy and make it realistic to be believeable!" |
| 20:10.45 | Ghelae | drom: Perhaps, but why do you want it to be so large? |
| 20:11.39 | Monet | I'm having trouble comprehending if the Sporewikiverse's physics is in the Hard range or "let's just make shit up" |
| 20:11.53 | Ghelae | It's not entirely consistent. |
| 20:12.11 | Tek0516 | I thought it was both. :P |
| 20:12.29 | Monet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.41 | Ghelae | Some of it is hard, a bit more is hard with assumptions about advanced technology overcoming major engineering difficulties, while hyperspace and essence have no basis in real-world physics whatsoever. |
| 20:13.09 | Monet | Ghelae: I subscribe that Elemental Energy has some basis in real life. The others though I guess you have a point. |
| 20:13.16 | Ghelae | Some of us do try to make it consistent, but consistent and fictional aren't mutually contradictory. |
| 20:13.41 | drom | I think 500-1000 ly is just enough for the biggest one in the "Void Nebula". While others will go under 50. |
| 20:13.58 | Monet | I tried writing an essay on how Essence may work a while back. |
| 20:15.13 | Monet | But after the first and probably second essay I wrote I think interest may have been lost. |
| 20:17.35 | Xho | OluapPlayer: "Alhazred - Kormacvarah... Yes. I remember that name now. Gazing upon the Coronaira once again... It has sparked my innermost memories..." Kinmo - TOOK YOU DAMN LONG ENOUGH |
| 20:19.22 | OluapPlayer | Alhazred - shup turkey |
| 20:20.14 | Xho | I've updated Kinmo's relations to show Alhazred |
| 20:23.05 | Xho | "The Hubble Telescope took a picture of what the universe looked like 13 billion years ago â This was taken in 2004. [Picture]" Reply -> "so we know what the universe looked like 13 bil yrs ago but dont know how to explore our oceans. godda call bullshit on this one" |
| 20:23.06 | OluapPlayer | Alhazred - wow thx for the help dick |
| 20:23.25 | Xho | Oh an even better one here; "typo** the hubble telescope was made 13 years ago not 13 billion" |
| 20:23.28 | Xho | YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER |
| 20:23.31 | OluapPlayer | olol |
| 20:23.39 | drom | Ghelae: How about white dwarfs? |
| 20:23.53 | Monet | Soemone didn't realise that looking into space = looking back in time |
| 20:24.40 | drom | Indeed. |
| 20:24.41 | *** join/#sporewiki OfficerJackal_ (~OfficerJa@c-69-139-46-236.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:24.53 | drom | Light is travelling too slowly. |
| 20:24.55 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 20:28.26 | Xho | I'm gonna rewrite Kinmo's page I think |
| 20:28.31 | Ghelae | drom: White dwarfs and all compact stars are probably too dense. |
| 20:28.35 | OluapPlayer | rewritten burd |
| 20:28.36 | Xho | It's a hybrid mismatch of new info and old info |
| 20:29.25 | Ghelae | They should all be fine inside the nebula itself, but that's fairly mundane. |
| 20:31.18 | drom | Ghelae: Implying that white dwarfes are extremely dense, I dream a gas giant with a dwarf as it's core due to strong gravitional pull. Only if provided that it don't get consumed by the extreme heat and violent process. |
| 20:32.02 | Monet | White dwarves are still stars |
| 20:32.05 | Ghelae | That final sentence is the problem. |
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| 20:33.05 | drom | Indeed it's the problem. But it's actually a thing you can dream of. |
| 20:33.38 | drom | I imagine it as extremely beautiful that every viewer gets an orge. |
| 20:34.25 | Monet | I wonder how a white dwarf would get a gas cloud around it |
| 20:34.32 | Ghelae | Compact stars as the cores of stars is possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorne%E2%80%93%C5%BBytkow_object |
| 20:34.37 | Monet | Its beautiful, yeah. But odd |
| 20:36.42 | drom | I wonder how HV 2112 looks like (it's one of those TZO objects). |
| 20:37.02 | Ghelae | But remember: stars are very hot, so whatever's close to them is going to be very hot, and very hot things, at the very least, glow. |
| 20:38.03 | drom | And you will eventuallu need a pair of good sunglasses. |
| 20:38.40 | Wormy_away | Monet: For you help today I will place you as the editor |
| 20:39.00 | Monet | Wormy_away: Thank you. |
| 20:39.05 | Monet | I am honoured |
| 20:39.12 | drom | It's alive now. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Void_Nebula |
| 20:39.22 | drom | I need to expand it further tomorrow. |
| 20:39.25 | Monet | good sunglasses and factor 3000 sunblock |
| 20:39.44 | Wormy_away | How should I call you? You can make up a real name if you want |
| 20:39.48 | Xho | Xhodocto - we like this name |
| 20:41.38 | drom | Xho: I might add in a statement of some cultists saying that this void is an entrance to the Xhodocto's world. |
| 20:41.56 | drom | Or something else similar to said context. |
| 20:42.01 | Xho | For the galaxy's sake we all hope it isn't hur |
| 20:53.44 | Wormy_away | My poster is almost finished |
| 20:54.02 | drom | Today, we have had our "Cinnamon Bun Day" |
| 20:55.24 | drom | Feasted cinnamon buns for breakfast, lunch and dessert after the taco party. |
| 20:55.29 | drom | It was a sweet day. |
| 20:55.53 | drom | Also, milk is icing on the cake. |
| 20:57.04 | drom | And of course, my stomach is hurtin'. |
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| 21:05.47 | Vincent20100 | Hey guys |
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| 21:06.47 | Vincent20100 | Hey Jackal |
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| 21:12.24 | Xho | If we ever get around to remaking the War of the Eye |
| 21:12.31 | Xho | I propose changing the Eye to something else |
| 21:12.52 | Xho | It was based off a Xhodocto apocalyptic artifact, I think we could do something better |
| 21:13.05 | Ghelae | War for the Nose. |
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| 21:13.19 | Wormy_away | I've made my poster, check it out everyone! http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141004211251/spore/images/0/07/Station_Halcyon_promotional_poster_for_SporeWiki.png |
| 21:13.21 | Zmr56 | Hi there |
| 21:13.26 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 21:13.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:13.27 | Xho | Caligaduro - everything smells horrible |
| 21:13.53 | Xho | Wormy_away: 0/10 no xho |
| 21:14.02 | Xho | evryfink must hav xho |
| 21:14.20 | Wormy | You need to get involved with series 2 |
| 21:14.21 | Xho | Except quite possibly Science |
| 21:14.22 | Vincent20100 | looks good Wormy! |
| 21:14.27 | Zmr56 | Nice poster |
| 21:14.36 | OluapPlayer | Isn't the Eye called Isiris now |
| 21:14.56 | Xho | I thought Isiris was just the name for the Source/Koldenwelt/Fundamental existence of the mortal world |
| 21:15.10 | Guest20622 | thanks |
| 21:15.10 | Xho | Eh I dunno |
| 21:15.29 | Xho | Guest20622: Seriously though, nice one |
| 21:15.32 | Xho | dmakdfshdjseh |
| 21:15.44 | Wormy_ | My first digotal art as well |
| 21:18.49 | Wormy_ | The interior up close http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141004211828/spore/images/c/c1/Halycon_interior.png |
| 21:19.15 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Vampires/The_Quest#Dawn_Wardens and so the desert arc is over |
| 21:20.29 | Monet | Wormy_away: Pretty nice work with the internal segements |
| 21:20.37 | OluapPlayer | Blah it's all broken |
| 21:20.40 | OluapPlayer | F5 that |
| 21:20.52 | Monet | I see a healthy mix of city and farm |
| 21:21.18 | Monet | Maybe those farms are also private/public gardens? |
| 21:22.14 | Wormy_ | Yes, with exotic vegetation from all over the universe |
| 21:22.24 | Xho | "Ahmalhrich - One swims!" Kinmo - he meant well but boy was he a dense motherfucker |
| 21:22.37 | Wormy_ | modded in some way to survive together probably |
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| 21:22.51 | Monet | With SCIENCE OF COURSE! |
| 21:22.54 | Monet | Hello |
| 21:22.58 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 21:23.08 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 21:26.49 | Wormy_ | oh and Hawkwind probably inspired me to add the rainbow lol |
| 21:32.44 | Wormy_ | Of course I have been listening to them all through the building of that |
| 21:33.22 | Wormy_ | this theme probably goes the most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIPOquS8dbM |
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| 21:38.42 | Jepardi | http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/a49Qqgv_460s.jpg |
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| 21:42.29 | Zmr56 | Hi |
| 21:42.48 | MrKyurem | Hi |
| 21:43.01 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
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| 21:47.41 | DrodoEmpire | Back |
| 21:47.54 | DrodoEmpire | So I may be able to restart the SporeWiki mod! :D |
| 21:48.07 | Monet | Hooray! |
| 21:48.15 | Knight_Alien | yes! |
| 21:48.23 | DrodoEmpire | I've since learnt how everything works; Even how to make new tech groups |
| 21:48.47 | DrodoEmpire | Custom events will still be a little while but they won't be necessary in the first edition |
| 21:49.02 | MrKyurem | SporeWiki mod? |
| 21:49.13 | MrKyurem | I'm new, what is this? |
| 21:49.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah; A Europa Universalis mod of the SporeWiki Fiction universe. |
| 21:49.50 | Vincent20100 | !!! |
| 21:49.50 | Monet | I managed to get the whole EUVI collection on Steam yesterday |
| 21:49.58 | Monet | EUIV sorry. |
| 21:49.58 | DrodoEmpire | Oh nice! |
| 21:50.00 | Vincent20100 | I want Russia! |
| 21:50.15 | Monet | Was so tempted to buy Victoria II but I have to watch my spending |
| 21:50.28 | Knight_Alien | No Vincent, it is sporewikia factions. |
| 21:50.40 | Knight_Alien | APR can be the new russia :} |
| 21:50.43 | ImpyDroid | We had Space Russia but I abandoned the idea |
| 21:50.45 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 21:50.49 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Operation_Marines/SporeWiki_Fictions_for_Europa_Universalis - Place requests here |
| 21:51.19 | Wormy_ | Impy: Bring it back, I wanted Eurospact to have relations with the DCP lol |
| 21:51.46 | DrodoEmpire | Also, if you have ideas on what to rename the technologies; Please add your suggestions; we've got 96 levels to rename |
| 21:51.52 | MrKyurem | .3. |
| 21:52.04 | MrKyurem | looks up gameplay of the original game |
| 21:52.21 | MrKyurem | also thinks this is cool and whoever's contributed to it is cool too |
| 21:52.24 | Vincent20100 | I have sent my request |
| 21:52.40 | DrodoEmpire | I can definitely put them in the russian region, yeah |
| 21:52.47 | Vincent20100 | Thanks |
| 21:53.09 | Vincent20100 | About tehc, I can help you |
| 21:53.16 | Vincent20100 | But do you want sci-fi names? |
| 21:53.17 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno about completely replacing Muscovy; My excuse for it being on the world map is that this is a planet ripe for colonization; Perhaps there's something very valuable on it |
| 21:53.53 | DrodoEmpire | I just ran two sentences together >.< Sorry |
| 21:53.53 | Vincent20100 | Novgorod then? |
| 21:54.04 | DrodoEmpire | I'll give it several provinces nearby. P |
| 21:54.05 | DrodoEmpire | *:P |
| 21:54.30 | Vincent20100 | For the techs, you want sci-fi names? |
| 21:54.34 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 21:54.43 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy and Ghel could really help |
| 21:55.13 | Vincent20100 | ok |
| 21:55.23 | Vincent20100 | Can it be Western nation? |
| 21:55.33 | DrodoEmpire | As in its tech group |
| 21:55.34 | DrodoEmpire | *? |
| 21:55.41 | ImpyDroid | Muscovy |
| 21:55.57 | ImpyDroid | That sounds a bit offensive hur |
| 21:56.09 | Vincent20100 | yah |
| 21:56.18 | DrodoEmpire | No, I'll make it its own tech group or give it the generic "sporewiki" one |
| 21:56.26 | ImpyDroid | "Muscal"/"Moscal" is the most common ethnic slur for Russians |
| 21:56.53 | Vincent20100 | ok |
| 21:57.14 | Vincent20100 | For the government, I guess Revolutionnary Republic would be the most appropriate |
| 21:57.16 | MonetSemi | I'd love ot help but I set myself some work time about now. |
| 21:57.17 | DrodoEmpire | Well it *did* exist in the late middle ages |
| 21:57.22 | DrodoEmpire | Imperios |
| 21:57.23 | Vincent20100 | Except if you find it too OP |
| 21:57.38 | ImpyDroid | DrodoEmpire: That's how you called it |
| 21:57.52 | MonetSemi | Vincent20100: Everyone's getting a revamp |
| 21:57.53 | DrodoEmpire | Well these SW nations are gonna be totally broken in comparison to the original ones so its fine. XD |
| 21:58.17 | DrodoEmpire | Just makes sense considering the tech gap |
| 21:58.39 | Vincent20100 | So, we are going to have our own Government? |
| 21:58.42 | Vincent20100 | Cool. |
| 21:59.03 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: I'd rather work on that tweak society idea I had |
| 22:01.30 | Vincent20100 | DrodoEmpire, I will wrote a tech tree for the military and tell me what you think of it |
| 22:04.39 | DrodoEmpire | Okay |
| 22:05.04 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kinmorunddraver Redone |
| 22:05.40 | Wormy_ | I'm not very good with names unfortunately, at least out the hat |
| 22:06.05 | Wormy_ | Grimbolsaurian/homo grimbledon rex is an example |
| 22:06.14 | ImpyDroid | Speaking of which, where could they have colonies? |
| 22:06.20 | ImpyDroid | As in, the tweaks |
| 22:09.14 | Vincent20100 | I'm already half done |
| 22:10.54 | Xho | Gotta restart comp brb |
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| 22:15.05 | OluapPlayer | Xho: page is breddy gud |
| 22:16.25 | Xho | danke |
| 22:19.02 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, gonna restart work on the SporeWiki mod |
| 22:19.17 | DrodoEmpire | Just made a functioning mod so that's good |
| 22:20.45 | Vincent20100 | Drod, just to be sure |
| 22:21.03 | Vincent20100 | In EU4, to get higher level forts, you have to raise your techs right? |
| 22:23.48 | MonetSemi | Drodoempire: I could potentially give a huge list of technologies |
| 22:24.09 | MonetSemi | Although I'm not familiar too much with EUIV's tech trees |
| 22:24.14 | Vincent20100 | Monet, I need some military tech |
| 22:24.19 | Vincent20100 | I'm almost done that said |
| 22:24.21 | Xho | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzIsM_rIQAAbhFT.jpg Can't stop laughing |
| 22:25.06 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: It just goes up linearlly between three fields; I left all ninety-six in the three categories on the blog |
| 22:25.10 | Vincent20100 | I need 9 more military techs |
| 22:25.37 | DrodoEmpire | Vincent: Sorry I didn't respond earlier but yeah |
| 22:25.44 | Vincent20100 | ok |
| 22:25.52 | DrodoEmpire | Also note that I'm not changing what it adds; Only the titles so it fits better |
| 22:26.00 | Vincent20100 | What tech would you see for to unlock final infantry and cav? |
| 22:26.00 | DrodoEmpire | I should probably add what they add too |
| 22:26.06 | DrodoEmpire | Lemme check |
| 22:26.59 | DrodoEmpire | Level thirty |
| 22:27.11 | DrodoEmpire | For infantry |
| 22:27.26 | MonetSemi | I was going to say what do they add so I can think of a sci-fi comparison |
| 22:27.31 | DrodoEmpire | 28 for cav |
| 22:28.53 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 22:29.26 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Operation_Marines/SporeWiki_Fictions_for_Europa_Universalis#WikiaArticleComments |
| 22:29.39 | DrodoEmpire | Can someone provide me with the Sporewiki logo? |
| 22:30.19 | Vincent20100 | I posted a suggestion |
| 22:30.36 | DrodoEmpire | It seems good |
| 22:30.39 | DrodoEmpire | Really good |
| 22:30.45 | Tek0516 | [[File:wiki-wordmark.png]] or something like that |
| 22:30.50 | Vincent20100 | I even added suggestions about what they should do |
| 22:31.27 | DrodoEmpire | Won't work |
| 22:31.28 | Vincent20100 | 30. Hyperspatial Missiles (new artillery unit) |
| 22:31.37 | DrodoEmpire | It goes white for some reason once I view it |
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| 22:32.27 | Tek0516 | The text for the wordmark is pure white. |
| 22:32.43 | Tek0516 | Won't show up in regular preview |
| 22:33.20 | DrodoEmpire | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131005160906/spore/images/thumb/a/a0/FictionverseLogo.png/404px-FictionverseLogo.png - I passed over this a dozen times. >.< |
| 22:33.25 | DrodoEmpire | I guess I'll use it |
| 22:33.45 | Tek0516 | I had to get the logo and wiki background for my Clock app. |
| 22:37.10 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, gonna start with the Drodo. :D |
| 22:37.38 | DrodoEmpire | Just to make sure I can make this thing work |
| 22:49.14 | Vincent20100 | I'm wroting down IDeas |
| 22:49.20 | Vincent20100 | *Ideas |
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| 22:51.57 | ElectricPlanty | GUYS! |
| 22:52.05 | ElectricPlanty | I just killed y first epic |
| 22:52.07 | ElectricPlanty | my |
| 22:52.16 | Xho | Epic |
| 22:52.19 | Xho | What's that again |
| 22:52.47 | ElectricPlanty | those huge thngs wth 1000 health |
| 22:54.21 | MrKyurem_ | Oh, cool! |
| 22:54.33 | MrKyurem_ | Did you use the typical lure to the nest tactic? |
| 22:54.44 | Zmr56 | Would it be necessary for ship in realspace have to switch to hyperspace to attack another ship travelling in hyperspace? |
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| 22:54.53 | Spu | Goddamn this computer |
| 22:55.12 | Hachiman | Playing maingame Spore |
| 22:55.13 | Hachiman | Ew |
| 22:55.37 | MrKyurem_ | It's not too bad TBF |
| 22:55.53 | ElectricPlanty | nope ijust ran around spiting |
| 22:55.57 | Tek0516 | Zmr56: From my understanding, unless you fire a hyperspatial weapon, yes. |
| 22:56.01 | Hachiman | It's pretty unsatisfactory and mediocre |
| 22:56.11 | Hachiman | And nothing like the game that was promised |
| 22:56.23 | MrKyurem_ | I agree that it's bare bones, but it's got some playability |
| 22:56.35 | DrodoEmpire | Meh, I like it. |
| 22:56.38 | MrKyurem_ | Also, yes, it was not the game that was advertised. |
| 22:56.48 | Zmr56 | Although the creator is pretty good, 6 years on now and the creatures still look decent |
| 22:56.58 | MrKyurem_ | The problem with that argument is that how the game was advertised has nothing to do with the gamplay itself :P |
| 22:57.01 | DrodoEmpire | You don't know "disappointment" until you've preordered Rome II. :P |
| 22:57.16 | MrKyurem_ | While I would much prefer the original, advertised product, this is great too |
| 22:57.31 | Hachiman | Not really "great" |
| 22:57.37 | Hachiman | The editors are good though |
| 22:57.59 | ElectricPlanty | we nee a longer cell stage imo |
| 22:58.08 | Hachiman | The Creature and Ship editors are pretty good |
| 22:58.11 | MonetSemi | If I get given sub-par hype, depending on the game I am willing to go "meh" and enjoy what I get |
| 22:58.33 | MonetSemi | Its what someone tried to offer, didn't go so well, there are lots of possible factors as t owhy |
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| 23:00.23 | Hachiman | I will say that while the Editors are nice and flexible, they're nothing without mods and the expansions |
| 23:01.04 | MrKyurem_ | While I have C&C and GA, I've never used mods and I feel they're okay without them |
| 23:01.22 | MrKyurem_ | I've heard that mods can reintroduce the cell parts that were programmed in but unavailable, which is nice |
| 23:01.55 | Hachiman | The Darkspore mod is worthwhile getting, I couldn't edit in the vanilla game without it anymore |
| 23:02.28 | Hachiman | Without it everything feels bare and there's much less choice and availability |
| 23:06.26 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 23:06.26 | infobot | [test] not funny |
| 23:07.59 | MrKyurem_ | anyway |
| 23:08.02 | MrKyurem_ | it's 10 past midnight |
| 23:08.05 | MrKyurem_ | i need to sleep |
| 23:08.07 | MrKyurem_ | g'night |
| 23:09.11 | Hachiman | lol bedtime scrub |
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| 23:10.24 | Tybusen | kicks the door to the curb, goes beyond the impossible, and rams a drill through Hachiman |
| 23:10.35 | Vincent20100 | DrodoEmpire: I have suggested ideas for the APR |
| 23:10.41 | Hachiman | is the heavens |
| 23:11.08 | Tybusen | My drill is the drill that creates the heavens. |
| 23:11.17 | Tybusen | Hachiman, I'd like you to meet your mother. |
| 23:11.30 | Tek0516 | I should come up with some ideas for Farengeto in the mod. |
| 23:12.36 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Operation_Marines/SporeWiki_Fictions_for_Europa_Universalis#WikiaArticleComments |
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| 23:13.32 | Tybusen | Ohayo gozaimasu Xho |
| 23:13.41 | Xho | It's the evening hur |
| 23:13.52 | Tybusen | I don't know how to say good evening :U |
| 23:13.57 | Xho | Konbanwa |
| 23:14.06 | Tybusen | arigato gozaimasu |
| 23:14.20 | Vincent20100 | It's hard to choose among names for ideas... |
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| 23:14.29 | Vincent20100 | There was so much other things I would have added... |
| 23:14.33 | OluapPlayer | Return of the spu |
| 23:14.37 | Tybusen | Slowly but surely I'm starting to teach myself Japanese |
| 23:14.54 | Tybusen | I can form sentences now |
| 23:15.36 | Xho | Rite |
| 23:15.47 | Tybusen | Hachiman wa baka usagi desu |
| 23:16.13 | Hachiman | I'm afraid I don't speak your rice and chopsticks language |
| 23:16.16 | Xho | Ouch |
| 23:16.22 | OluapPlayer | rekt |
| 23:17.06 | Tybusen | *Japanese laugh* |
| 23:17.12 | Xho | My Japanese is very rusty |
| 23:17.25 | Hachiman | I think you mean |
| 23:17.27 | Hachiman | *raughs* |
| 23:17.38 | Tybusen | touche |
| 23:18.20 | Tybusen | Also, I'm amused that the two words for "paper" in Japanese are pronounced the same as the words for "death" and "god" |
| 23:19.05 | Tybusen | japanese has so many homophones |
| 23:19.08 | Xho | Tybusen: It should be 'Baka na usagi' rather than 'Baka usagi' |
| 23:19.18 | Tybusen | kuso |
| 23:19.22 | Xho | Since it's a na adjective |
| 23:19.23 | Tybusen | well it's not perfect yet |
| 23:19.50 | Tybusen | I don't have a full grasp of all the particles yet |
| 23:20.15 | Tybusen | All I know is that "wa" indicates subject, "no" is a rough equivalent of "of", and "to" is "and" |
| 23:20.26 | Xho | Homophones are why Kanji exists |
| 23:20.42 | OluapPlayer | http://i.4cdn.org/v/1412462678474.webm have kittens |
| 23:20.53 | Tybusen | I've been trying to learn kanji using Wikipedia's big kanji list |
| 23:21.26 | Xho | You should really only learn the kanji of basic words first |
| 23:21.40 | Xho | Learning as many as you can in one go will only confuse you really |
| 23:21.41 | Tybusen | I've been following the order of kanji they teach in Japanese primary school |
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| 23:22.32 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:22.41 | Tybusen | Maybe I'll finish copying down the 2nd-grade kanji and then I'll focus on memorizing the 1st grade kanji |
| 23:23.03 | Xho | I dunno if I remember all the Kanji I learnt |
| 23:23.14 | Xho | I knew around 400 by the end of college |
| 23:23.30 | Tybusen | There's a few kanji that I've already memorized, most of them being ones I've seen fairly often before |
| 23:23.45 | Xho | A good start to kanji is the days of the week |
| 23:24.58 | Xho | æãç«ãæ°´ãæ¨ãéãåãæ¥ |
| 23:25.04 | Tybusen | Oh |
| 23:25.05 | Tybusen | Yeah |
| 23:25.07 | Tybusen | That's right |
| 23:25.09 | Xho | So I remember at least five |
| 23:25.13 | Xho | Seven even |
| 23:25.17 | Xho | I can't even count |
| 23:25.18 | Tybusen | All of those correspond to an element |
| 23:25.28 | Xho | More or less |
| 23:25.39 | Tybusen | Sun, Fire, Water, Wood, Earth, Metal, and Moon, I believe |
| 23:26.07 | Xho | Moon, Fire, Water, Wood, Gold, Earth, Sun in that order |
| 23:26.20 | Tybusen | rite |
| 23:26.26 | Xho | Metal has lots of different Kanji |
| 23:26.38 | Tybusen | So that one's just "gold" in particular then |
| 23:26.54 | Xho | Yeah |
| 23:27.05 | Xho | é = Goldãé = Silverãé = Iron |
| 23:27.13 | Tybusen | ech |
| 23:27.15 | Tybusen | so many strokes |
| 23:27.41 | Xho | Those are fairly tame Kanji hur |
| 23:28.04 | Xho | æ is one of the biggest commonly used ones |
| 23:28.17 | Tybusen | I feel like I recognize that one |
| 23:28.32 | Xho | It's used in a compound for ææ¥ = weekday |
| 23:28.47 | Tybusen | So I'm guessing it means "week" then |
| 23:29.59 | Xho | Week is é± |
| 23:30.18 | Xho | I knew the reading but I just couldn't get it to appear on my computer |
| 23:30.48 | Tybusen | Ah, I found it in my kanji notes |
| 23:31.20 | Tybusen | According to Wikipedia the kanji by itself still means "weekday" and its reading is "yo" |
| 23:32.02 | Xho | Onyomi reading anyway |
| 23:32.15 | Tybusen | Wikipedia only gave me the onyomi reading |
| 23:32.20 | Xho | Whilst you're learning Japanese you should probably concern yourself with Onyomi reading more than Kunyomi |
| 23:32.29 | Tybusen | right |
| 23:32.37 | Tybusen | thanks for the tip |
| 23:32.39 | Xho | Kunyomi rarely comes useful in general Kanji |
| 23:32.58 | Tybusen | The kunyomi has all of the conjugatable verbs though I think |
| 23:33.23 | Xho | I wouldn't know that personally |
| 23:34.14 | Tybusen | I know how to conjugate "taberu" but I don't know what the conjugations of "shoku" would be (and they both mean "to eat", "taberu" is kunyomi and "shoku" is onyomi) |
| 23:34.17 | Xho | Useful Kanji are also verb kanji as well |
| 23:34.27 | Xho | Shoku isn't a verb |
| 23:34.50 | Xho | 'Ta' is the onyomi reading of the kanji 'shoku' |
| 23:34.50 | Tybusen | I'm assuming it must translate to a nominalization of "eat" then |
| 23:34.56 | Xho | Yes |
| 23:35.18 | Tybusen | So it's closer to "eating" or "meal" more than "to eat" |
| 23:35.21 | Xho | Or it might be the other way round lemme think |
| 23:35.36 | Xho | Shoku actually means 'food' in its most basic meaning |
| 23:35.43 | Xho | Though food is actually 'tabemono' |
| 23:36.10 | Xho | Japanese isn't Chinese so Kanji isn't as simple to understand as it is in Chinese |
| 23:36.28 | Xho | Especially as the Japanese combine Hiragana and Kanji |
| 23:36.47 | Tybusen | Is shoku more literally "food" and tabemono is more of a idiomatic connection in the same way that "comida" means "food" in Spanish? |
| 23:37.26 | Xho | I wouldn't compare Spanish and Japanese |
| 23:37.35 | Tybusen | well yeah |
| 23:37.39 | Xho | Just take Japanese at face value |
| 23:37.52 | Xho | Spanish is a little more complicated idiomatically than Japanese |
| 23:37.55 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, time to take the first test to see if this works |
| 23:38.07 | Tybusen | but I was thinking of the concept of how "comida" is derived from "comer" and it looked like "tabemono" was derived from "taberu" in the same way |
| 23:38.17 | Xho | Oh |
| 23:38.22 | Xho | Well yes that's similar |
| 23:38.46 | Tybusen | I imagine nominalization rules in Japanese are not simple though |
| 23:39.21 | Xho | Not really no |
| 23:39.26 | Xho | Conjugation is a pain |
| 23:39.31 | Xho | Mainly because I can't remember it |
| 23:39.53 | Tybusen | Well, at least the base form of the verb covers the entire present and future tense |
| 23:40.21 | Tybusen | Though I've seen the polite and humble conjugations |
| 23:40.24 | Xho | True |
| 23:40.25 | Tybusen | Those will be painful |
| 23:41.03 | Tybusen | I recently learned that "desu", "da", and "gozaimasu" are all different forms of essentially the same word |
| 23:41.27 | Xho | Hm |
| 23:41.38 | Xho | I dunno |
| 23:42.11 | Xho | I wouldn't say 'Kore wa takai tatemono gozaimasu' |
| 23:42.17 | Tybusen | They all mean "to be", with "da" being a more informal form, "desu" being the formal form, and "gozaimasu" being a humble variation |
| 23:43.16 | Xho | They're not really verbs to be honest |
| 23:43.36 | Tybusen | Well, they're verbs in the same way that "to be" is a verb |
| 23:43.46 | Tybusen | Really, they're auxilliary verbs |
| 23:45.19 | Xho | Personally I wouldn't call those words verbs because they don't imply anything |
| 23:46.11 | Xho | Sure they're grammatically necessary but saying 'desu' or 'gozaimasu' is nowhere near the same as 'hanashimasu' or 'tabemasu' |
| 23:46.21 | Tybusen | Well, yeah |
| 23:46.36 | Tybusen | It's just stating that such and such has quality this and that |
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| 23:46.53 | Tybusen | Pretty much same goes for every language with "to be" verbs |
| 23:46.57 | Tybusen | Or "verbs" |
| 23:47.28 | Tybusen | I think you can even omit "desu" in the like in casual contexts when it's clear what you're talking about, right? |
| 23:47.36 | Xho | In some cases |
| 23:50.22 | Tybusen | You can even have sentences without a subject if the subject is clear from context, if I'm not mistaken |
| 23:50.43 | Xho | That's very common in Japanese |
| 23:52.03 | Tybusen | I've also read that using second-person pronouns is discouraged |
| 23:52.29 | Xho | I've never heard it used in Japanese so I suppose so |
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| 23:52.40 | Xho | You usually just refer to things by its name rather than 'it' |
| 23:52.53 | Xho | It's a rather direct language |
| 23:53.01 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: It just occurred to me that the BBB can still exist in your mod. XF |
| 23:53.06 | TekDroid | *XD |
| 23:53.09 | Tybusen | Kind of the opposite of English in that sense I guess |
| 23:53.30 | Tybusen | It'd be weird in English to keep referring to someone by their name when you're talking directly to them |
| 23:53.36 | Xho | Hell in English you can passively insult someone without even making an allusion to it |
| 23:54.49 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: lul |
| 23:55.23 | Tybusen | English and Japanese are really quite different |
| 23:55.43 | Xho | Most languages are different to English |
| 23:56.08 | Tybusen | That's true |
| 23:56.15 | Tybusen | English is a special snowflake |
| 23:56.18 | Xho | English is one of those languages that's so societally diverse that you can have two people speaking the same language and not understanding each other |
| 23:56.35 | Tybusen | It's not as bad as Chinese in that sense though |
| 23:56.47 | TekDroid | That's what happens when you have empire though |
| 23:56.48 | Xho | There aren't many languages harder than English |
| 23:57.01 | Tybusen | Usually you can get an American English speaker and a British speaker together and they'll mostly understand each other |
| 23:57.06 | Xho | Chinese, Finnish, Russian and Hungarian are among those harder than English |
| 23:57.19 | Tybusen | haha Russian |
| 23:57.33 | Tybusen | I've read one description of Russian as "good luck pronouncing this shit" |
| 23:57.54 | Xho | Yeah that's about right |
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| 23:58.01 | Tybusen | I'm guessing Hungarian is some unholy love child of German and Russian |
| 23:58.04 | GD12 | Hello |
| 23:58.04 | Xho | Finnish is the hardest language I've ever looked at |
| 23:58.13 | Tybusen | Hai GD |
| 23:58.13 | Xho | Hungarian is a language all by itself |
| 23:58.29 | Xho | Finnish and Hungarian are both Uralic languages, and Uralic languages are generally quite nasty |
| 23:58.50 | Tybusen | Is Russian considered Uralic or Slavic? |
| 23:58.59 | Xho | Slavic |
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| 23:59.09 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 23:59.11 | Xho | Russian is pretty much the most slavic language you can get |
| 23:59.33 | Tybusen | I don't know where the hell that Uralic label comes from |
| 23:59.44 | Tybusen | I don't think of Finland and Hungary when I think of "Ural" |
| 23:59.55 | Tybusen | I think of Russia, really |
