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00:39.14*** join/#sporewiki Knight_Alien (62ded140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.222.209.64)
00:39.21GD12hi
00:39.32Knight_AlienHello
00:39.42Knight_AlienI was gone all day.
00:41.50Vincent20100Do you want models for your ships?
00:43.03Knight_AlienMe?
00:44.09Vincent20100Drodo
00:44.19Vincent20100Or you too Knight
00:44.35Vincent20100By the way knight, take a look at this
00:44.36Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arms_Market#Missiles
00:45.28DrodoEmpireThat's fine Vincent
00:45.31DrodoEmpireThanks though
00:45.46Vincent20100ok
00:45.57Vincent20100I personnally like to put an image over words
00:46.28Knight_AlienExcellent Vinct.
00:46.40Vincent20100I love fire...
00:46.50Knight_AlienI love cold and Frost.
00:46.59Knight_AlienFreeze please!
00:47.17Vincent20100Well, that too
00:47.29Vincent20100IRL, I prefer Siberian cold.
00:47.31Knight_AlienFire I find interesting so don't worry , I don't hate fire.
00:47.49Knight_AlienUnless it is burning me alive...
00:48.31Vincent20100It's kinda of a napalm bomb, but since it use plasma, it reach fore higher temperatures.
00:48.42WormyHi
00:48.43Knight_AlienAh.
00:49.05Vincent20100It is also a good way to unleash large amout of energy so it is useful to drain energy shields.
00:50.04Knight_AlienI have a Super weapon do you?
00:50.27Vincent20100Not really
00:50.52Knight_AlienWell time to enter creative mode.
00:51.13Knight_AlienIf you come up with one it sould be called the Iron Fists of the people.
00:51.22Vincent20100lol
00:51.35Vincent20100The Iron Curtain
00:51.45Vincent20100That would fit for a Soviet inspired civ
00:51.58Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire#Super_Weapons Here is my Super weapon a parasite.
00:54.42Vincent20100Parasites... Interesting
00:54.55Vincent20100I  think Drodo has Zombie-Missiles if I remember
00:58.05Vincent20100I will work on one too if possible.
01:05.25DrodoEmpireYeah
01:06.06DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Biology - Completely rewrote the biology section
01:12.23Vincent20100Drodo, there is one crucial information missing there...
01:12.37Vincent20100Are they herbivore, omnivore or carnivore?
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01:13.14GD12I just noticed the Arms Market has a missile page
01:13.17GD12*section
01:13.32DrodoEmpireVincent: Good point.
01:13.35DrodoEmpireOmnivore
01:13.38DrodoEmpireAnyhow
01:13.53Vincent20100YEs GD. ^^
01:15.16Vincent20100The Arms market is one of the most interesting features on the wiki, but people doesn't seems to know it even exist.
01:16.38DrodoEmpireSome people at least
01:16.49Vincent20100Yah
01:16.50GD12Well the other thing is that some civilizations don't want to sell their hardware on it as well
01:16.56GD12Or it would be nonsensical for them too
01:17.00Vincent20100Good point
01:17.19Vincent20100But I think it makes things interesting.
01:17.24GD12It would be infeasible for Dominatus hardware (both pre-AD and post-AD when they are all dead) to appear on it hur
01:17.28GD12Thats very true
01:17.32GD12The Arms Market was a genius idea
01:17.56Vincent20100Yah
01:18.17Vincent20100But people has to accept to no OP their own hardwares
01:18.53Vincent20100I mean like not as long as 2 weeks ago, half the statistics were "Exceptional".
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01:19.36DrodoEmpireNot quite half, but a good point anyhpw
01:19.38DrodoEmpire*anyhow
01:20.03Vincent20100Well, still, we can all agree that there was far too much "Exceptionnal" before
01:20.09GD12True
01:20.33DrodoEmpireYeah
01:20.34DrodoEmpireAgreed
01:21.01GD12begins to think about missiles
01:21.03DrodoEmpireThough speaking of which I'm bumping a Drodo firearm up a rank; I should capitalize at least some on their proficiency. :P
01:21.10Vincent20100By the way, if you want to make guns but don't have a models on spore to make pictures, I can give you some
01:21.25DrodoEmpireThanks, though I'm good
01:21.50Vincent20100GD12: I added the Plasma-Burner today
01:21.53GD12I saw
01:22.00Vincent20100If you click on it, it has it's own page
01:22.12Vincent20100All my weapons does
01:22.32Vincent20100They aren't super-duper cool pages that said
01:22.54GD12Its hard enough to make individual pages for equipment so thats quite respectable
01:22.59DrodoEmpire^
01:23.09GD12Most of my descriptions of units/weapons are at most 2-3 paragraphs long
01:23.21GD12Actually for weapons just one paragraph long since I have the problem of making dozens of them
01:23.47DrodoEmpireSo apparently it was common for samurai and other east asian cavalrymen to used spears and glaives from horseback
01:23.53Vincent20100thanks
01:23.58Vincent20100Yes
01:24.18Vincent20100Spears have good ranges and can be thrown
01:24.25DrodoEmpireNow all I can picture is Aq'Hualese cav spinning glaives over their heads. XD
01:24.32DrodoEmpireSpears? No.
01:24.37DrodoEmpireAlmost all are too heavy
01:24.47DrodoEmpireYou need dedicated javelins for that
01:24.58Vincent20100Really? A wooden stick with a small piece of bronze
01:25.12DrodoEmpirePlus even short "duelling" spears where longer than their users.
01:25.14DrodoEmpirefacepalms
01:25.17DrodoEmpireUghh....
01:25.19Vincent20100I remember the romans developped spears that could do both
01:25.24DrodoEmpireThey where FAR more than that
01:25.35GD12Pilums?
01:25.43GD12Pilums were only used for throwing iirc
01:25.46DrodoEmpire^
01:25.51DrodoEmpireSoft steel; The bent
01:25.54DrodoEmpire*they
01:26.01GD12Pretty sure they bent after throw
01:26.02DrodoEmpireIn a pinch they could but hardly very well
01:26.02Vincent20100Ho... My bad
01:26.03GD12thus were only one use
01:26.22DrodoEmpireYou need the correct type of wood, the correct thickness, a well-designed head... The lst goes on
01:26.30DrodoEmpireHardly a "stick". :P
01:26.39DrodoEmpirePlus the best woods for making spears where fairly heavy
01:26.59DrodoEmpire*list
01:27.06Vincent20100So GD...
01:27.24Vincent20100Are we gonna see a new major competitor on the Arms market?
01:27.36GD12No
01:27.41GD12Dominatus stuff is generally quite OP
01:27.52GD12very OP as you get to the more elite stuff
01:28.01GD12That and they're dead as of the end of 2795
01:28.02Vincent20100You could have another empire
01:28.11GD12I have to get AD done first
01:28.19GD12Which my engineering coursework will delay for a while
01:29.27GD12Even if I had another empire at this point, it's focus probably wouldn't be weapons
01:29.47GD12Since I've already gotten/am getting a military/weapons/tech/war fix from the Dominatus
01:30.07Vincent20100ok
01:31.07GD12I have some infantry weapons written up here if thats interesting for you http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drakodominatus_Tyranny/Equipment
01:34.20Vincent20100I will keep that under the arm
01:34.27Vincent20100has an idea.
01:34.41GD12whats the idea huhu
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01:42.57Vincent20100Hi Zilla
01:43.08Zillafire101Hello all.
01:43.20GD12Hello
01:43.48DrodoEmpireHey
01:47.04DrodoEmpireI should attempt drawing a few Aq'Hualese
01:47.05DrodoEmpire:P
01:47.18DrodoEmpireMaybe in the style of old photographs
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01:47.36DrodoEmpireHello
01:47.42GorzillHi
01:47.43GD12Hello there
01:48.05DrodoEmpireLike the way people used to photograph native peoples, Samurai, etc. in the 18 and early 1900's.
01:48.19Knight_AlienOh....
01:48.22DrodoEmpireHm?
01:48.35Knight_AlienSounds like your going to have a fun time.
01:48.48DrodoEmpireYeah; if they turn out well. XD
01:49.11DrodoEmpireI draw a lot but rarely are they ever better than rough sketches
01:51.12Vincent20100Hey Drodo, can I ask you something? :)
01:52.35Vincent20100hand a Mountain Dew to Drodo.
01:53.04SlapsWhat!?
01:53.34Knight_AlienSlaps it out of his hand and gives him a coke.
01:54.02Knight_AlienBetter. 0u0
01:56.26Knight_Alien<PROTECTED>
01:56.59Knight_AlienConverts Drodo to 0u0ism
01:57.21Knight_AlienWow I am messing up a-lot to night.
02:04.09Knight_AlienHello?
02:04.17Vincent20100...
02:05.48GD12Hello
02:06.26Knight_AlienJust checking.
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02:06.50Knight_AlienVincent you don't like coke do you? 0u0
02:08.09Vincent20100No.
02:08.13Vincent20100Juices only
02:08.16Vincent20100or water
02:08.33DrodoEmpireI have soft drinks sometimes. :P Not too often though
02:08.47Vincent20100And I try to drink more water as time pass
02:10.15Knight_AlienI drink mostly water.
02:11.06Knight_AlienBut mountain dew must be punished when you hand a man of 0u0ism a Can of it.
02:11.11Knight_AlienXD
02:16.28Vincent20100lol
02:18.14Vincent20100Gotta go too
02:18.22Vincent20100++
02:18.47GD12i've got to study
02:18.48GD12gtg too
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02:19.57DrodoEmpireHello
02:20.00FennicFoxezAreLiHi
02:20.04DrodoEmpireHi
02:20.10DrodoEmpireNew user to SporeWiki?
02:20.13Knight_AlienFennic are you new?
02:20.14FennicFoxezAreLiYeah
02:20.18DrodoEmpireIf so, welcome
02:20.19FennicFoxezAreLiYeah I am
02:20.27FennicFoxezAreLiBut I have been playin spore for 3 years..
02:20.35FennicFoxezAreLiso :P
02:20.44DrodoEmpireYou're actually here at more or less the "slow-hours"; Usually theirs even more people including most of the administrators
02:20.49DrodoEmpireJust so you know
02:20.50DrodoEmpireAh
02:20.51DrodoEmpireI se
02:20.52DrodoEmpire*see
02:20.59DrodoEmpire*there's
02:21.20FennicFoxezAreLiI recently got a new laptop and I am gettin Galactic Adventures :P
02:21.26DrodoEmpireAh, nice
02:21.31DrodoEmpireIts a good expansion
02:22.10FennicFoxezAreLiYay a little more than halfway done...
02:23.48FennicFoxezAreLi._.
02:24.08DrodoEmpireHm?
02:24.41DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Biology - Added a small paragraph to biology if anyone wants to check it out
02:25.13FennicFoxezAreLi"Installing C:\...\Electronic Arts/SPORE_EP1\Data\Spore_EP1_Data.package"
02:25.22DrodoEmpireWriting about the biology is actually a nice shift from writing a almost undue amount on there military and tactics. XD
02:25.37DrodoEmpireI see...
02:26.19FennicFoxezAreLiSpore should have like a multiplay option where you can play with other people/creatures
02:26.28FennicFoxezAreLiThat'd be awesome...
02:26.30Knight_AlienIt is good to do somthing different.
02:26.30DrodoEmpireEh...
02:26.32DrodoEmpireMaybe
02:26.34FennicFoxezAreLiYAY ITS DONE INSTALLING
02:26.45DrodoEmpireIt'd be difficult to implement but perhaps
02:27.13FennicFoxezAreLiYeah...
02:27.18Knight_AlienThat Super weapons thing was out of the box for me.
02:27.24FennicFoxezAreLiI dont even think they are working on spore...
02:27.41Knight_AlienEa and Maxis abandoned spore.
02:27.44DrodoEmpireThe superweapon thing?
02:27.45FennicFoxezAreLiD:
02:27.48Vincent20100You know what Drodo, tomorow, only using the description you gave there, I will try create a Drodo
02:27.56DrodoEmpireYeah; Because its its own section
02:27.57Vincent20100That will be interesting
02:28.02DrodoEmpireSure
02:28.15DrodoEmpireGo ahead; I'd be interested in seeing the end result
02:28.23Knight_AlienThe Super weapon thing http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire#Super_Weapons
02:28.55FennicFoxezAreLiI want to get mods for Spore...
02:28.57FennicFoxezAreLiBut :P
02:28.58Knight_AlienA-lot of my Fictioning things are out of the box actually.
02:29.33DrodoEmpireAs a reference Vincent here's Hachi's go at it - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Drodo.png
02:30.03Knight_AlienDrodo what was your version of the Drodo?
02:30.09DrodoEmpireNone that is canon
02:30.22DrodoEmpireOne made years ago but I since totally shook up there biology
02:30.29Knight_AlienYou deleted them?
02:30.39DrodoEmpireThe image is probably somewhere
02:30.42DrodoEmpire:P
02:30.52Knight_AlienHope is low but still alive.
02:30.55Knight_Alien:{
02:30.55DrodoEmpireBut its bad and, again, non-canon
02:31.06DrodoEmpireI've since made them humanoid
02:31.35Vincent20100Yah
02:31.43FennicFoxezAreLibrb
02:31.50Vincent20100And with respect, I think you can do better creatures than that. ^^
02:32.25Knight_AlienI still need to make a page for the Eldarisian race.
02:32.30DrodoEmpirePerhaps so now, yeah
02:32.53DrodoEmpireBut I don't play spore much anymore; I probably still am abysmal
02:32.56DrodoEmpire:P
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02:33.09FennecFoxLuvrHekki?
02:33.12Vincent20100Hey
02:33.12DrodoEmpireHm?
02:33.17FennecFoxLuvr*Hello
02:33.19DrodoEmpireOh, hi
02:33.21FennecFoxLuvrMeh bad...
02:33.24FennecFoxLuvrXD
02:33.24DrodoEmpireIts fine
02:33.26Knight_AlienAnd if you notice they have flagella on their sides still. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140903025246/spore/images/5/55/Eldarisian_Race.png See the flagella.
02:33.40DrodoEmpireYeah
02:34.19Vincent20100Knight your creature make me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwww610xec
02:34.27Knight_AlienI still need to make a purpose for them. But so far it is looking in the Direction of being a sexual part.
02:34.52Knight_AlienXD
02:34.54Vincent20100-_-
02:35.17Vincent20100On my side, the Algolurns are suppose to reproduce sexually, but it is no longer the case
02:35.31DrodoEmpireMeh, its natural; Dunno what's so gross or funny about it. :P
02:35.43Vincent20100They have their reproductive cells retired at young ages
02:35.44Knight_AlienEldarisian don't have sexual parts in the area you would expect.
02:35.54DrodoEmpireI see
02:36.02Vincent20100The reproductive cells are used in vat reproduction
02:36.32FennecFoxLuvrō.ō
02:36.35FennecFoxLuvr...
02:36.36Vincent20100spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic#Vat-Reproduction
02:36.36Knight_AlienSo I am thinking of a Atari approach were they sort of mentally do that stuff or some other way.
02:36.42Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic#Vat-Reproduction
02:36.46DrodoEmpireWhile we're on the... "Subject"; Drodo basically reproduce the same way as humans; Put a male and female in a bedroom, the fool around, six months later there's a little baby. :P
02:36.47Knight_Alien*Astari*
02:36.52DrodoEmpireAnyway, why are we talking about this?
02:37.06Vincent20100Those woundering how my sepcie reproduce: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Algolurn_Popular_Republic#Vat-Reproduction
02:37.06Knight_AlienI mentoined Flagella and it's uses.
02:37.13OfficerJackalErr... Well, not sure how to contribute to this.
02:37.40FennecFoxLuvrIm not saying my age; but I think im alot younger than all of you XD
02:37.47DrodoEmpireMeh.
02:37.52Vincent20100That is possible. ^^
02:37.53Knight_AlienSo far a Astari version of Reproduction is my choice.
02:37.56DrodoEmpireIts just those two clowns are weird. :P
02:37.59OfficerJackalput's a ski-mask over his face.
02:38.00DrodoEmpireXD
02:38.14DrodoEmpireWe don't usually talk about how species have sex...
02:38.15DrodoEmpire:P
02:38.20DrodoEmpireUnless you're Hachi
02:38.23Knight_AlienI don't think dirty but It is somthing that comes up.
02:38.24GalackVINCENT20100: EERRRRGGHHHHHHHH
02:38.33DrodoEmpireOh god...
02:38.41DrodoEmpireNot Galak
02:38.46GalackVINCENT20100: VATS... LET ME COVER THEM IN BARBASOL AND THEN RUB GENNNNTTTLLLYYYYY AGAINST THEM.
02:38.48Knight_AlienIrc:So my flagella....
02:38.57Vincent20100Drodo Galack: Hey guys, could you make a quote on my page plz? :)
02:39.05Vincent20100...
02:39.14DrodoEmpireMaybe
02:39.20Vincent20100:(
02:39.28DrodoEmpireWell, maybe later
02:39.34Vincent20100-_-
02:39.44Knight_AlienIs it normal for races to do a Astari approach to sexual reproduction?
02:39.46DrodoEmpireI just realized I said the same thing twice.
02:39.51GalackDON'T BE SAD, THE BARBASOL WILL BE A FAD, AND NOW LAY. DOWN. AND. BE BADADSDIWQDWQDIW@I@JQ()DM@
02:39.54Vincent20100-_- <--- Is that a lame face, or a Chinese? Nobody knows...
02:40.00FennecFoxLuvrXD
02:40.02Knight_AlienWell their are still men and females but still.
02:40.06DrodoEmpiredats so racist m8
02:40.29Vincent20100Knight, I 'm not sure
02:40.34FennecFoxLuvrIma just play Spore...
02:40.46Vincent20100lol Fennec, don't be affraid
02:40.56FennecFoxLuvrXD
02:41.05Vincent20100Jackal/Galack is just...
02:41.10Vincent20100just...
02:41.17DrodoEmpireProbably a good idea until these two done with there secksy talk
02:41.26Knight_AlienWell my Idea is that Flagella shows their Gender but isn't used , besides in war for a stamina boost.
02:41.34DrodoEmpireI see
02:41.49Vincent20100What kind of Stamina boost? ^^
02:41.52GalackKnight_Alien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbasol#mediaviewer/File:Barbasol_Original_10oz_sm.jpg - WFNIWQFFIEWFINWFIWFWEAFINEWWFEINWANEIFEWNI ERRRRGHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAGHGHHHHH
02:41.56Knight_AlienAnd so comes in the Astari apporach even though they still have genders.
02:42.03DrodoEmpireSo its a form of sexual dimorphism
02:42.29DrodoEmpireGalak, pardon my French but...
02:42.29Knight_AlienYah.
02:42.31Vincent20100I like my way of reproduction. ^^
02:42.36DrodoEmpire...What in the fuck? XD
02:42.38Knight_AlienAlso Vincent lets just say any boost....
02:42.39GalackMADE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE KNEELING ELEPHANT.
02:43.00Vincent20100Vats for the win!
02:43.06Knight_AlienNo!!!
02:43.19Knight_AlienMental Reproduction FTW!
02:43.38Knight_AlienXD
02:43.42GalackVINCENT20100 KNIGHT_ALIEN: NO, GO INTO THE BARBASOL... AND FUSE TOGETHER.
02:43.42Vincent20100... That's kinda strange for me...
02:43.42GalackFUSE.
02:43.47GalackFUSE!
02:43.51Vincent20100...
02:43.57Knight_AlienNo.
02:44.03Vincent20100I need to sleep now...
02:44.10Vincent20100NOT IN BARBASOL!
02:44.15Knight_AlienI don't fuse with others.
02:44.20OfficerJackalAnd I'm done. XD
02:44.25DrodoEmpirejumps on top of Knight Alien and starts spraying Barbasol into his mouth
02:44.34DrodoEmpireFUUUUUSE
02:44.41Knight_AlienMentally hits him off.
02:44.44OfficerJackalBut to be honest, all the species of my fiction reproduces just like humans, because I'm unimaginable as fuck.
02:44.48DrodoEmpirehur
02:44.51DrodoEmpireIts okay. XD
02:44.56Vincent20100looks at them drunkly, and take a swig of his vodka bottle
02:45.04DrodoEmpireI personally find it odd to talk too much about how they have sex. :P
02:45.09Knight_AlienVincent Fuse with Officer!
02:45.17DrodoEmpireUnless its very unique or unusual; Or it must be talked about
02:45.25Vincent20100prefer fusing with vodka
02:45.27Knight_AlienThe Vats await.
02:45.31OfficerJackalI CAN GIVE A DETAILED ACCOUNT... ON THE SPECIES OF WPU AND HOW THEY... COMBINE TOGETHER IN HOLY MATRIMONY.
02:45.42DrodoEmpireWe scared Wormy guise
02:45.44DrodoEmpirestahp
02:45.46Knight_AlienXD
02:45.48Vincent20100See what you did Knight and Jackal!
02:45.55Vincent20100You affraid Wormy
02:45.55DrodoEmpireAnd Vinny-boy...
02:45.59OfficerJackalA FEMALE.
02:46.01OfficerJackalAND A MALE.
02:46.03OfficerJackalGO INTO THE CAR.
02:46.06DrodoEmpireWith all a' yer newfangled vatz
02:46.12DrodoEmpireHey...
02:46.13Knight_AlienOfficer no!!!
02:46.15Vincent20100^^
02:46.16FennecFoxLuvrI gtg in 10 minutes :P
02:46.22DrodoEmpireAlright
02:46.34OfficerJackalRight, but that's enough weird talk. XD I don't want to be scaring away people.
02:46.43Knight_AlienFennec how was your first irc talk XD.
02:46.46Vincent20100I will go now, stop traumatizing news people guys!
02:46.54Knight_AlienOk....:{
02:46.58FennecFoxLuvrLo
02:47.00FennecFoxLuvrLol
02:47.03FennecFoxLuvrIdk XD
02:48.35Knight_AlienWormy got scared off fast.
02:50.55OfficerJackalVincent ded.
02:52.32FennecFoxLuvrIm not liek trying to be a stalker or anything but who has skype? :P
02:52.34FennecFoxLuvrlike
02:52.52OfficerJackalI have Skype.
02:52.53DrodoEmpireMMe
02:52.55DrodoEmpire*Me
02:53.12FennecFoxLuvrok XD
02:53.24DrodoEmpireTwo accounts; A "regular" account for good friends and family, and an Rp account for Sporewiki people and other lil' shits
02:54.43FennecFoxLuvrlol
02:55.09FennecFoxLuvrIf u wanna add me my name is FennecFoxesFurLife
02:59.55FennecFoxLuvrEhhh
02:59.56FennecFoxLuvrI gtg
03:00.14OfficerJackalAlright, see you later!
03:00.42DrodoEmpireBye
03:00.42FennecFoxLuvrSavin this page to meh favorites..
03:00.54FennecFoxLuvrOk
03:00.56FennecFoxLuvrBai!
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03:02.55DrodoEmpireHello
03:03.02The_RandomnessHello everyone
03:07.30Knight_AlienHi
03:43.02Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Eldarisian Finished with the Eldarisian Page.
03:43.41Knight_AlienTell me what you think.
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04:45.14TekPCDrodoEmpire: pass
04:46.36DrodoEmpireYay
04:51.19TekPCAll the Farengeto-built ships are on here now, adding the rest. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AFarengeto_Trade_Coalition/Military
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05:12.00OfficerJackalTekPC Looks good. :D
05:12.15OfficerJackalAnyways, I got to go, see you all later!
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05:47.47ImpyDroidMy friend apparently talked with a guy from Iraq
05:47.57ImpyDroidThe first thing he asked was if she is married :p
05:59.05ImpyDroid*was
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06:16.54TekPChttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Farengeto_Trade_Coalition/Military Added most of these now.
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08:25.30GhelaeHello.
09:56.34Liquid_InkI just noticed a Technodroid.
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11:06.52MonetHello
11:11.01AdmiralPandahi
11:12.22Liquid_InkHowdy.
11:12.41Liquid_InkFor a horrible moment I thought there were three Technos.
11:12.46Liquid_InkBut there's only two.
11:15.36AdmiralPandawhy is having more techno a bad thing?
11:15.46AdmiralPandawe should have five technos
11:19.44MonetWell there's one less Techno
11:23.17Liquid_InkWell, that isn't to say that Techno is bad, it's just that multiple Technos might get confusing.
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11:25.19Wormyhi
11:25.33MonetHi
11:25.45MonetWorking on a picture of Uriel and Alensia I have come to the conclusion that giving Draconsi longer necks was a wise decision: it makes them look more swanlike.
11:27.45WormyI see
11:31.28MonetAlthough I wonder if they were either naturally like that or if social pressure and genetic engineering have encouraged more slender necks.
11:35.23AdmiralPandawe don't really have a biological analogue so I'd say it probably leans towards the latter
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11:36.34MonetAdmiralPanda: True
11:36.36MonetHi
11:36.58MonetWho knows, maybe in at least some societies genetically modified beauty becomes the new plastic surgery?
11:39.46Wormyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29175003
11:41.24MonetIt must be a terrible distraction to hang all those paintings in an exam hall
11:48.09Wormyyes
11:48.16AdmiralPandarobocraft fliers are so damn annoying, but they're also the most fun part of the game
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11:50.05JepardiHi
11:50.07AdmiralPandayou lose a single block and suddenly it becomes retardedly hard to fly
11:52.53AdmiralPandawell, that match was ridiculous- I managed to land six or seven salvoes on a ground tank, but because he managed to keep one SMG alive he shot me down
11:53.04AdmiralPandaI didn't die but I was out of the fight
12:01.53Technobliteratoroh
12:01.58Technobliteratorapparently I'm logged in here :o
12:02.05OluapPlayerdum
12:07.35WormyMaybe I'm wrong about aliens in different environments having intuition of those environments https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/508923120737329152
12:09.30AdmiralPandaI don't get what you mean by that at all
12:15.24WormyWell, aliens living in an exotic environment like a neutron star core might have a more inyuitive understand of fluid mechanics, but ideas like geometry might be an abstraction much further away
12:15.42WormySince no rigid shapes would be possible
12:16.04WormyWhile for us Earthbound creatures, geometry is easier to access than fluid mechanics
12:18.09WormyBut what they are discussing, it scepticism of intuition.  After-all, we take Galilean and Newtonian mechanics as easier to understand than say, Einstein's relativity, but both those explanations are actually very counter-intuitive as it took centuries of work.  We still have to learn those theoriies
12:18.31WormyIn a similar way, a relativistic creature may still find relativity counter-intuitive.
12:18.54WormyThat kind of smashes the view I've had on windows of abstraction I must admit.
12:21.39WormyI still think our basic perception of physics is locked in by limits of A) our brain B) the environment, and that some abstractions (of say, mathematics) are easier to access than others, but it doesn't mean relativity is any easier for a bioship that evolved sentience and cxan travel at reelativistic speeds and starts pondering about it
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12:24.33FennecFoxLuverHello
12:24.56FennecFoxLuver.=.
12:24.59FennecFoxLuver.-.
12:26.20MonetHello
12:26.54FennecFoxLuverYay an answer XD
12:35.19WormyScience is win win "If you find you are wrong, you have learned something"
12:36.17Wormyhi
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12:44.02Knight_AlienHello.
12:46.14AdmiralPandaOne thing that really bugs me about robocraft: You would think that adding extra wings would give you a bit of redundancy in the case on got shot off, right?
12:47.04AdmiralPandain robocraft, if you lose a wing, your craft suddenly becomes utterly uncontrollable- even losing a single block anywhere will hamper your ability to steer
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13:00.19WormyOh wow the Director of the film Brazil ismaking this http://vimeo.com/ondemand/thezerotheorem/103267367
13:02.23Wormyoh, its been released
13:02.30WormyI'll have to watch that
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13:09.52Wormyhi
13:10.26MonetHi
13:10.31MonetBrazil is old school
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13:16.46DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
13:16.57FennecFoxLuverHi
13:20.21FennecFoxLuverHow do I get a colored name...
13:20.25FennecFoxLuver.-.
13:20.48DrodoEmpireNot sure; I have that deactivated. :P
13:21.02FennecFoxLuverOh... Well ur name is green to me...
13:21.08FennecFoxLuver:P
13:21.23DrodoEmpireYeah
13:21.38Knight_AlienYou can disable and enable colored names in the Irc options.
13:21.46Knight_AlienI have it off.
13:21.55AdmiralPandayour name is always black to you
13:22.02FennecFoxLuverhhhh
13:22.05FennecFoxLuverOhhh
13:27.31FennecFoxLuverSoo.... :|
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13:27.42HachimanHai
13:27.48Knight_AlienHi
13:28.13WormyYour name is almost the colour of Drodo's
13:28.16HachimanWormy: What were those large abhuman guys I came up with years ago called again?
13:28.17Wormyhi
13:28.28WormyRoburans?
13:29.07HachimanYeah that was it
13:29.09WormyI think they were called that.
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13:30.09Knight_AlienWhat where the Roburans?
13:30.45HachimanBasically giant humans
13:31.08AdmiralPandahi all
13:31.20Knight_AlienOh.
13:31.45AdmiralPandaI've got no idea what to work on
13:32.09Knight_AlienThat's me most of the time....
13:33.06Knight_AlienWhen I am not editing small things , I am waiting.
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13:33.34AdmiralPandaI've just got half a dozen things I could be doing and I've got no idea which one to do things for
13:34.03HachimanWormy: I wonder if posthuman hybrids are common in the galaxy
13:34.15OluapPlayerXho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Vampires/The_Quest#La_Petite_Mort
13:34.30XhoHachi - boners galore
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13:35.22SpuInternet
13:35.24SpuStop it
13:35.31WormyMost likely
13:36.23AdmiralPandaXho: Funnily enough it wasn't Hachi getting aroused
13:37.10HachimanI've always wondered if there was a specific point where human divergents become unable to breed
13:38.11SpuEmpire of Man - dis is the ultimate state of being
13:38.56AdmiralPandaHachiman: It's kinda hard to artificially create a point at which interbreeding becomes impossible
13:39.00AdmiralPandatake a look at dogs, for example
13:40.48HachimanAdmiralPanda: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10685350_349639305211728_7643950428500113076_n.jpg?oh=213aa98103ced4b797affea3fa09cb01&oe=54964FC2&__gda__=1422513694_a55a3ed30acaa09f60857eaa772b90e2
13:40.51ImperiosWell, that's not genetic, but, say, breeding wolves with pugs would be... problematic
13:41.13AdmiralPandaImperios: Actually, it's a matter of genetics typically long before it's a matter of physiology
13:41.29AdmiralPandaHachiman: incorrect, that field would be farmed to dust
13:42.01AdmiralPandaactually, that's incorrect too- it would be farmed to a bountiful yield of wealth and prosperity, which would then be spent on burning everything else to dust
13:43.19SpuThis bar fight reminds me of some spaghetti western mash up hur
13:43.37AdmiralPanda"Religion is like a penis - it's perfectly normal to have one, and to take pride in it, but if someone pulls it out and waves it in my face, we're going to have problems."
13:44.07AdmiralPandathe kind of insightful WTF that appears on my Facebook page every so often
13:46.14HachimanWell since it's confirmed that Hachiman is part of a "species" of post/transhumans (can't remember the difference hur) I wonder what I should call them
13:47.06Imperios"dum buni"
13:47.44AdmiralPandado you mean whether he can still be considered part of the human species?
13:47.47HachimanI'm tempted to go with "Efrafans" as a reference to the antagonists of Watership Down
13:50.13SpuOluapPlayer: noic secshun
13:50.47AdmiralPandaoh also, Andromeda people: during the Shattering, how would your respective factions respond to the Fordanta going full-on purge mode?
13:51.19ImperiosProbably slightly suspicious
13:51.40AdmiralPandaI'm asking because I want to slip in somewhere an explanation of how the Fordan military mindset came to be, but it makes zero sense for one warrior to be discussing it with another
13:52.33AdmiralPandaso I figured I might be able to find some sort of vehicle to do so in one of the other factions
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13:53.24HachimanFucking goddamn internet
13:53.30HachimanI dc'd after my last message
13:54.05AdmiralPandarite
13:54.10HachimanI was saying that I was tempted to give Hachi's kind the name "Efrafans" in reference to Watership Down and saying to Panda that Hachi's "kind" are descendants of humanity
13:54.52AdmiralPandaso you're looking for a common race name, in other words?
13:56.30HachimanPretty much
13:56.41HachimanAnd a taxonomic name
13:58.40AdmiralPandathe taxonomic name would probably include 'lepus' in some variation, the common name I can't help with much
14:01.10WormyHachi:  I thought of usinbg the term "Ur-human" today
14:01.18HachimanAlso I imagine that they wouldn't be exclusively Japanese/Yamato citizens either; you'd probably find populations of them across societies like France, the EAC, etc
14:01.22HachimanWormy: Ur-human?
14:01.38ImperiosAs in, proto-human
14:02.00Wormy"Ur-" is often used when something isn't qauite the same
14:02.01ImperiosUr = German for "original", "old"
14:02.44WormyI thought it could be a Terran "purist" term for other Near-humans
14:03.04Wormyeven derogatory
14:05.25HachimanI imagine there would be a variety of terms, stuff like "ur-human" could be one of them
14:06.19AdmiralPandaHachi: Are Hachi's people able to interbreed with humans?
14:06.24HachimanI imagine so
14:06.46AdmiralPandain that case the scientific name would probably be something along the lines of Homo sapiens lepus
14:07.03HachimanThey have largely humanlike genitalia after all and share humanoid physiology
14:07.34Knight_AlienWe were talking about this stuff last night XD
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14:08.04HachimanFucking goddammit
14:08.10Knight_Alien:L
14:08.17AdmiralPandain that case the scientific name would probably be something along the lines of Homo sapiens lepus
14:08.33AdmiralPandaassuming they retain the same chromosome count and structure then they'd be able to interbreed
14:08.50Hachiman"Homo sapiens lepus" is good, now I just need to think of a racial name
14:08.58HachimanI am tempted to go with "Efrafans"
14:09.32HachimanBut then I feel that would be far too unoriginal
14:10.25AdmiralPandawhere's Monet when you need him
14:10.37AdmiralPandaI just imagined Kaios giving him a drunk call
14:10.40AdmiralPandaand it was glorious
14:10.41Hachimanhttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10616558_1049401285089324_331958541358071434_n.jpg?oh=f33287398d7e9199c47c973129802b2e&oe=5494C9E8
14:10.44AdmiralPandagiving Larnus*
14:11.00Wormy<PROTECTED>
14:11.32Knight_AlienMonet is busy in RL.
14:12.16HachimanPeople are free to pose ideas for race names btw
14:12.35WormyI'll have a think of one
14:13.17SpuHachiman: you have George Takei on Facebook as well hur
14:13.22HachimanAye hur
14:14.00Spu"IT'S NOT WHO YOU ARE UNDERNEATH, BUT WHAT YOU DO THAT DEFINES YOU"
14:14.38AdmiralPandabtw Hachiman: how would the Zazane react to the Fordanta going purge-mode?
14:15.17HachimanAdmiralPanda: Well Zazane have a policy against driving your enemies to extinction and killing non-military populaces
14:16.10SpuKicath - u srs
14:16.10AdmiralPandaso quite negatively
14:17.32HachimanYeah quite negatively, they may be a militant species but they have their own self-imposed boundaries
14:20.02AdmiralPandaexcellent, cus I want an excuse to explain how the Fordan military mentality came to be, but it makes no sense for one Fordanta to discuss it with another Fordanta
14:24.36HachimanZazane, despite their reputation, are a rather considerate race by comparison. They'll wear down your military and knock you down but then they'll pick up the pieces to make you better
14:25.50AdmiralPandaso would it be possible for a zazane of some description to send a WTF guys? message over to the Fordanta to facilitate such a thing happening?
14:26.12Knight_AlienXD
14:26.18HachimanPerhaps, although that depends if such a matter really concerns them
14:26.33Wormy_awayThe DCP aren't always as cruel as they are thought of.  Most of the time they absorb the enemy, not extinct them
14:27.16HachimanIf it does then they'll make it clear that such actions are not condoned by their society and military philosophy and dismiss the Fordanta's actions as largely unnecessary over any justification
14:27.21Wormy_awayIts only when fighting against, say, the Dominatus, do they seek genocide or punishment as the only option.
14:29.05ImperiosThe Divinarium does not support genocide obviously, so yeah they will not like that
14:29.54ImperiosHachiman: As for Hachi's species name... "Tā", perhaps?
14:30.00ImperiosThat's Chinese for "diffferent"
14:30.41HachimanTā
14:30.42HachimanI like it, it's short and rather simple yet sounds rather cute hur
14:31.26ImperiosChinese is a rather laconic language hur
14:31.39ImperiosAlthough I don't like the sound of it, it's very... disharmonic
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14:31.45HachimanAlthough I should say that Hachi's species aren't Japanese/Asian exclusively; they're likely to be found across most human societies in the modern galaxy
14:31.46Imperiosor disharmonious
14:31.54MasterMachineHey
14:32.35ImperiosAsian or not, Chinese is the most widespread human language, so using it would make sense
14:33.05HachimanYeah that's true
14:33.36HachimanHow is that pronounced?
14:37.24Hachimandum
14:38.31Imperios"Ta-a-h", a bit aspirated
14:39.52Hachimanrite
14:42.36HachimanI'm wondering a lot about their history, whether they should be the result of lost human generation ships colonizing a cold world and using self-imposed physiological evolution to adapt and rebuild their society or if they should be descendants of hominids that were whisked away from Earth by precursors and changed and implanted on another world
14:48.29MasterMachineHey, anyone here from the UK?
14:48.33MasterMachine(and not afk)
14:48.42HachimanI am
14:48.59MasterMachineI'm curious, what is your opinion on Scotlands independence vote thingy?
14:50.59HachimanIf they want it they can have it, but they shouldn't keep the pound sterling if they really want independence and if stuff goes wrong for them then they shouldn't come crying back to us
14:51.08MasterMachinexD
14:51.28MasterMachineWhat do you think about their being the largest oil producer in the EU?
14:51.47HachimanWe still have Russia
14:51.52MasterMachinexD
14:52.24MasterMachineDidn't Russia basically shut down fuel to Europe though? Or is it solely to Ukrain? (which I spelled wrong)
14:52.37HachimanI think it's solely for Ukraine
14:52.46HachimanImperios / ImpyDroid would no
14:52.47MasterMachineAh
14:52.47Hachimanknow*
14:53.37HachimanPersonally I don't blame Scotland for wanting to separate from the crappy British economy and politics
14:54.14MasterMachinehur
14:54.24MasterMachineI wonder if Wales will try to leave too hur
14:54.40HachimanIf it feels confident it can handle itself then they're free to try but I have a feeling that the benefits brought by Scottish independence will only be short-lived
14:54.42MasterMachineThe (Not)United Kingdom
14:54.42MasterMachineSorry
14:55.04ImperiosMostly to Ukraine, yes, although we did sever some of our ties with Russia
14:55.10Imperios*with Europe
14:55.13MasterMachinelol
14:55.33MasterMachineI suppose if Russia wanted to they could just sell oil to China right?
15:07.13ImperiosChina, Central Asia, other East Asian countries, etc etc
15:07.23ImperiosThat is what we are doing
15:09.02MasterMachineHur
15:10.29MasterMachineRussia - "Sorry Westies, we don't need you anymore..." Western Nations - "NOOOOO, OUR OIL SUPPLY! I mean, uh... Poor Ukraine!"
15:13.02ImperiosSo, are we going to RP today?
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15:21.53HachimanImperios: Doubt it
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15:35.03CyrannianHello.
15:35.25HachimanHai Cyr
15:35.48Technobliteratormy IRC client is bugging today :|
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15:35.55Technobliteratorso I should be properly here now
15:35.56Technobliteratorhey guys
15:36.17Vincent20100Hey!
15:37.09MasterMachineHi Vincent, I'm sorry I've been so inactive. College is taking up more of my time than I expected. I probably won't be able to keep up with the invasion very well :/
15:37.12Vincent20100So, how are you guys?
15:37.52MasterMachineOn that note, I'm actually doing homework right now, so I can't work on fiction atm :./
15:38.36Vincent20100It's okay
15:38.45Vincent20100Master, have you seen the Wiki main page?
15:38.58Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki
15:40.15Vincent20100is happy. ^^
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15:41.09MasterMachine_F*ck you too firefox -_-
15:41.22MasterMachine_What was that link you sent me Vince?
15:41.42Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki
15:42.05Vincent20100I love seeing myself on the front page. ^^
15:42.09MasterMachine_Nice, you got your fiction featured :P
15:43.05Vincent20100^^
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15:43.50Vincent20100Hi Oulap
15:45.07Cyrannian~slap OluapPlayer
15:45.07infobotACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
15:46.02Vincent20100~poke Cyrannian
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15:51.36Wormy_awayHachiman:  So yesterday I learned in South Africa you can have flamethrowers installed on your car because of hijacking
15:51.43HachimanGeezush christ
15:52.00Wormy_awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDrzMGdYWZc
15:53.02Wormy_awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQbHnLSasfQ
15:53.05Wormy_awayBetter video
15:53.15TekDroidO.o
15:54.41TekDroidO.O
15:54.57TekDroidthat is... wow.
15:58.23TekDroidIs it really that bad in South Africa?
16:04.23MasterMachine_-listens to music while doing homework- -puts headphones in without lowing the volume because dumbo- -AJHKJVAJSGVJASSASSS_
16:04.39TekDroidLol
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16:10.36MasterMachine_Hi
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16:14.44Wormy_awayah hah hah silly yob http://youtu.be/IPVa3mbnZDM?t=5m9s
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16:50.59ImpyDroidhttp://www.movoto.com/st-petersburg-fl/st-petersburg-stereotypes/ ...I don't get it
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16:51.52OfficerJackalHey!
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16:54.45ImpyDroidIt probably doesn't hurt that the city holds the Guinness Book's world record for most consecutive days of sunshine—at 768—and it's the sunniest place on Earth, with an annual average of 361 days of sunshine ...Wait
16:54.51MasterMachine_hi
16:55.15ImpyDroidWhere is that Saint-Petersburg copycat located anyway
16:55.28MasterMachine_Hmm
16:55.31MasterMachine_Tampa
16:55.35MasterMachine_I know that name damnit
16:55.37MasterMachine_lol
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16:56.41MasterMachineJkajgkjvjavkavhjckvasjkcvkdsghckcdnvkscbav,msdbvsdvsadvasbgfbghjhgjgcbar
16:56.48MasterMachineI hate my compuer so much.
16:56.50MasterMachineAnyway
16:57.00MasterMachineThere's a Tampa in Florida
16:57.35MasterMachineYeah it's St. Petersburge Florida
16:57.36MasterMachineHA!
16:57.43MasterMachineCultural Theft, Murika Style!
16:57.44MasterMachine:p
16:58.50ImpyDroidPlease tell me it is at least classy and European like the real thing
16:59.13MasterMachineUh...
16:59.16MasterMachineThis is Florida.
16:59.31MasterMachineThe whole concept of 'class' passed them by.
17:00.23MasterMachineThe only good thing to come from Florida was  Disney Land.
17:01.41MasterMachineIn fact, I think that's the place with that guy so lazy he won't go to a shooting range 20 minutes from his house, so he built one in his backyard
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17:02.00MasterMachineUsing a truck and car as the walls and right next to one of the busiest canals in Florida.
17:02.00Technobliteratorhii
17:02.03MasterMachineHey
17:02.20MasterMachine-smells the air- Ah, Florida! lol
17:02.27Wormy_awayNew quantum weirdness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA8wj8UAaEw
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17:02.41Technobliteratorok this seems to work
17:02.44MasterMachineI've stopped opening videos you post wormy.
17:03.11HachimanImpyDroid: Give me a metal that Alfgund's morningstar would be made of, keeping in mind that he's capable of incredible strength and is a geomancer, and if that morningstar could have any abilities of its own
17:03.12WormyIt is SCIENCE this time
17:03.22WormyBut none-thless mindfuckery
17:03.56MasterMachine-mutters about wormy's "science"-
17:04.49MasterMachineffs
17:04.57MasterMachineEntanglement that is screwed with y sound.
17:05.01MasterMachineThe f*ck science.
17:05.05MasterMachineUse logic! lol
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17:05.30HachimanAndroImpy: Give me a metal that Alfgund's morningstar would be made of, keeping in mind that he's capable of incredible strength and is a geomancer, and if that morningstar could have any abilities of its own
17:05.31HachimanAnd hai
17:05.59MasterMachineAndroImpy, did you miss my comments on florida?
17:06.11WormyMaster I understood none of that :P
17:06.18MasterMachinelol
17:06.31MasterMachineNone of what I said or none of the video?
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17:08.27Wormy"Entanglement that is screwed with y sound." - wot
17:08.40Wormy"The f*ck science." - wot
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17:09.20MonetHello
17:09.25MasterMachinehey
17:09.42Technobliteratorseems better
17:09.59MasterMachineWormy: The video started out by stated that Quantum Entanglement deteriorates in the precense of sound, right?
17:10.09MasterMachineMy response was "Damnit science, make sense!"
17:10.11MasterMachine:P
17:10.33MasterMachineGod I cannot spell today
17:10.48AndroImpyHachiman: Adamant
17:10.55AndroImpyOr perhaps cold iron
17:11.01HachimanCold iron works
17:11.22WormyIt means noise in the sense of disturbance by other systems
17:12.28MasterMachineOh
17:12.29MasterMachineHur
17:12.39MasterMachineThat makes a lot more sense.
17:12.59MasterMachineWhy can't science just say "pretty much everything screws with this" -_-
17:13.38MonetBecause science likes being precise
17:13.41HachimanThere's knowing about something and then there's understanding something
17:13.59MasterMachine...
17:14.04HachimanYou can know what something does without understanding why and how it does what it does
17:14.11MasterMachineYeah
17:14.30HachimanScience likes to deal with the how's and why's :p
17:14.34MasterMachineI know lol
17:14.42WormyMaster:  This explains entanglement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ_WHIXBRfM
17:14.52MasterMachineBut they could use easier to understand language OR explain the language in question
17:15.02WormyIts not your fault the video didn't inform you what entanglement is
17:15.05MasterMachineI get easily confused by words, so the clearer the better for me lol
17:15.51MasterMachineThe advertizement for the video was longer than the video... Nice work, Youtube.
17:16.14CyrannianI might rename the "Cyrannia Cluster" to the "Cyrandia Cluster". Makes more sense.
17:18.31AndroImpyMasterMachine: That is professional jargon, not only scientists have one
17:18.34MasterMachineI just wanna say this about entanglement  and humans: Why the hell do we have the audacity to think that time matters on that miniscule a scale?
17:19.18MasterMachineAnd why do we assume that the universe has to follow one set of rules or the other? Why can't it switch between them at will?
17:19.20WormyThat's the point of science, we don't know if it does or not, so one can find out.
17:19.34MasterMachineheh
17:20.01MasterMachine-finds out that all the laws humans ever thought up are complete bullshit and the universe just like screwing with us-
17:20.02MasterMachine:P
17:20.13WormyIt seems that time isn't how we perceive it to be, indeed, Relativity concludes it doesn't flow at all.
17:20.24MasterMachineIsn't time just movement?
17:20.44MasterMachineWell, movement in relation to other movement.
17:20.52WormyNot if there is no change and universe is a static block of 4D spacetime globally.
17:21.22MonetHumans are 3D beings that can only percieve time when it is measured.
17:21.22MasterMachineOk so you lost at at "and"
17:21.23MasterMachinelol
17:21.29MasterMachineFair enough
17:21.30WormyIt could be that each moment is a universe, and from each moment, we measure the past and have an illusion of any movement at all.
17:21.44MasterMachine...
17:22.05MasterMachineThat actually makes sense.
17:22.10WormyIn fact the Wheeler DeWitt equation ends up with a frozen universe
17:22.28HachimanWe're heading into Schroedinger territory here
17:22.34MasterMachinelol
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17:23.17MasterMachinePersonally I think that Schroedinger is a more likely theory than most, since technically the universe doesn't exist beyond what we can percieve.
17:23.19dromOi
17:23.24MasterMachineAt least, theorectically
17:23.27MasterMachineHi drom
17:23.32MasterMachineWe're talking about SCIENCE
17:23.33MasterMachinelol
17:23.33Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10428708_769653476430787_2611869893401655117_n.jpg?oh=ee0ffbcd57cc10756776b4e19fb6868e&oe=54CA96F6&__gda__=1419702343_ece6e68f8a9dbda5660710fb3632a64d
17:23.35dromIt's Sweden's general parlament elections today.
17:23.43dromEveryone is shitposting in FP right now.
17:23.50MasterMachinelol hachi
17:23.55MasterMachineand lol drom
17:24.04dromFuck parlamential democracy, I want to move to Schweiz.
17:24.38WormyMasterMachine:  That's pretty much solipsism
17:25.02MasterMachinePersonally I think that A Constatutional Monarchy is the most effective form of government - assuming both the democratic and dictatorial aspects have power.
17:25.23HachimanIf that's the case then it's not a monarchy then :p
17:25.45MonetIts both a monarchy and a democracy
17:25.49MasterMachineYeah
17:25.52WormyIts true that we don't perceive the objective world, that's why physics is counter-in
17:25.58Wormyintuitive
17:26.03dromI think democracy is the most powerfullest form of politics if you allow the population to determinate to make their own country's future.
17:26.24MasterMachineWhen shit needs to get done quickly, the king/queen can get that shit done. When it's okay to dawdle you can use democracy
17:26.31dromBut with parlaments and politicans, it's more like a war.
17:26.33HachimanThe population often doesn't know what it wants though
17:26.46MasterMachinethe issue with the US is that we take so f*cking long to do anything because no one can agree on even the tiniest topic -_-
17:26.52MonetHachiman does have a point there
17:27.07MasterMachineWould be simpler to divide the US into "Republican US and DEMOCRATIC US"
17:27.09MasterMachine...
17:27.10dromThat's why The Swiss democracy works.
17:27.15MasterMachineCaps lock hur
17:27.17MonetI never have a solid answer when asked on the spot what I would like for lunch.
17:27.29MasterMachine"Food"
17:27.30MasterMachine:p
17:27.34HachimanThere are far too many opinions being flung about and the population often knows jack shit about how to run a country properly
17:27.53MasterMachineby that argument, dictatorship is the way to go
17:27.54HachimanWhich is why this Scottish independence deal can go terribly wrong
17:29.10HachimanIf you hand political power to the population and keep politicians as simply representatives of the public interest, then it's likely the public will drop the ball because they're often politically uninformed and they're not a singular entity; they're a mass of different cultures, experiences, ideals and opinions
17:29.26dromYou just need some coverage and experts on state politics. Plus debates and rights for people to specatate politcal conventions. And then people will know what they will have to do or determinate.
17:29.28MasterMachineFUCKING BULLSHIT COMPUTER HANDLE A FUCKING YOUTUBE VIDEO
17:29.30MasterMachinesorry
17:29.33AndroImpyFor some reason I imagine that if Scotland goes independent, there will definitely be regions that would prefer to be part of OK
17:29.36AndroImpy*UK
17:29.36MasterMachinethat was capsed by accident lo
17:30.34MonetHachiman: I think that's what happened with the Alternative Vote sustem a while back
17:30.56dromCapitalism is a terrifingly bad idea.
17:31.01MasterMachineHachiman: That's why I don't want to think of what rRepublicans would do if they ended up in power... a more uniformed and stupid group has never been seen.
17:31.37MonetA lot of the "no" group were saying stuff like "under AV the guy in 5th place can be seclared the winer"
17:31.52MasterMachineHur
17:31.52Monetdeclared*
17:32.02WormyDemocracy is good for the creation of new ideas, but without a strong ability to criticise ideas, and to criticise methods of criticism (yes, THAT meta), then will of the majority can still force obedience to a bad idea
17:32.15MasterMachineWooh! I'd finally win something :P
17:32.25WormyThat is people's fault though
17:32.30MasterMachineYeah
17:32.34MasterMachineHumans are stupid -__
17:32.36MasterMachine-_-
17:32.46MasterMachine-bows down to the ant overlords-
17:32.52Knight_AlienWHy? :{
17:33.03WormyWell, it does work sometimes, just not infallibly because no-one is infallible
17:33.04Knight_AlienAnt overlords XD
17:33.04MasterMachineWhy what?
17:33.24Hachiman>Supports ants and not actually intelligent dolphins
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17:33.35MasterMachineAnts are far better at getting shut done than humans are really.
17:33.43WormyThink about it, there is always errors in our judgements, so a good stance on error correction is needed
17:33.49Knight_AlienThey are a hive mind.
17:33.55MasterMachineIf we took a page out of their book and stopped arguing all the f*cking time we'd be able to solve all our issues.
17:33.59Knight_AlienThat is all they do.
17:34.00WormyBut ants are stupid at the ant level
17:34.10WormyThey are not people.
17:34.11dromHumans have free minds. That's why there's alot of political collisons.
17:34.14AndroImpyNu, dolphins suck
17:34.17MonetIf we stop arguing then conformity can set in
17:34.18MasterMachineStupid free minds xD
17:34.24MasterMachineHmmm
17:34.30MasterMachineWhat about meercats than?
17:34.36HachimanAndroImpy: hao bout u shup and suk dolphin dong
17:34.40dromMeercats?
17:34.44MasterMachineThey are each individual organisms which work toggether fairly well to survive.
17:34.49MonetAnd conformity can prevent bad ideas fro mbeing filtered out
17:34.59dromHachiman: Stay there and get eaten by an orcha.
17:35.05HachimanMachine you can say the same thing for any pack-oriented species
17:35.07MasterMachineIn a manner similar to bees, only the "king" and "queen" reproduce, but the rest of the group work to support them anyway
17:35.33MasterMachineThey are among the most group-based species on earth
17:35.49HachimanSo are wolves, lions, dolphins, humans, etc
17:35.56MonetColonies tend to risk dying without a king or queen
17:35.58dromAnd they seems to never complain about it, compared to us, humans.
17:36.03MasterMachinelol
17:36.06dromseem*
17:36.22MasterMachineI stand by my earlier statement, Humans are stupid.
17:36.28dromIt's probably solely because we can't understand their buzz.
17:37.00MonetDefine "stupid" though
17:37.04DrodoEmpire^
17:37.07WormyI prefer the word "fallible"
17:37.08MonetHow do we measure stupid?
17:37.16HachimanAlso I've never seen any animal species nail their god to a stick and left him there to die so nobody's quite as epic as humans hur
17:37.21DrodoEmpireLast time I checked we're the ones with agriculture and advanced technology... :P
17:37.25MasterMachineWe've got inteligence. What we lack is the ability to work together for the good of the species rather than the individual.
17:37.27Knight_AlienHumans are not even close to stupidity.
17:37.45MonetHachiman: I've read of chimps climbing to the tops of trees and waving branches i nthe air during a thunderstorm
17:37.48WormyYou could eyes like the hubble telescope and a brain as logical as a computer and there will still be error.
17:37.58dromHumans are so fraigle in politics.
17:38.05MasterMachineAfter all, it doesn't matter how many farms or cities we make if we wipe ourselves out with war.
17:38.17dromfragile*
17:38.45Hachiman>Implying war is a bad thing and doesn't lead to technological and cultural progress
17:38.48DrodoEmpire^
17:38.58DrodoEmpireIt is a terrible thing but it has a lot of benefits
17:39.00MonetMastermachine: n any crisis or disaster there are always survivors
17:39.03DrodoEmpirePotentially
17:39.21dromIf humans shared the same intellectual sense, I don't think that political collisions and shitting would been a thing.
17:39.23HachimanWar also helps economically as well as it creates jobs
17:39.29DrodoEmpireFrom what I can tell MM you're calling us "stupid" for not being perfect or a hivemind. :P
17:39.31MasterMachineMonet: Except that humans are very capable of creating so many disasters at once that it is impossible for humans to survive as a species
17:39.40DrodoEmpirePretty flimsy
17:39.55WormyWe clearly don't lack the ability, because we can create methods of creating new knowledge (not just scientific, but also moral and political), no other species does at the rate we can.
17:39.59MasterMachinelol
17:40.25HachimanMasterMachine: >Implying humans haven't been the most dominant species on Earth for the last 200 thousand years
17:40.35Wormydrom:  Such a society might remain static however
17:40.40MasterMachineIsn't closer to like 20,000 years?
17:40.47HachimanWhatever hur
17:40.50MasterMachinelol
17:40.52HachimanPoint still stands
17:40.53DrodoEmpireEither way.
17:40.54dromHomo Sapiens.
17:40.56MonetNo, the genus homo is over 200,000 years old.
17:41.11dromWe are talking about us, Sapiens. Not the whole genus.
17:41.13MasterMachineYeah but we haven't been dominant that long
17:41.14MonetPossibly a millino years old...
17:41.29WormyWith ancestors going back 5 to 10 million years at least
17:41.33MasterMachineWe were still dinner for big predators - still are in many places of the world for that matter.
17:41.39Wormyof humanoids
17:42.07MonetOn a geological scale, we're pretty insignificant. On a cosmological scale even the dinosaurs were only dominant for only a small amount of time
17:42.39HachimanThe dinosaurs were around much longer than us and never accomplished agriculture, farming, tool-building, etc
17:42.54dromSo we can have a conclusion of the humanity combined with politics?
17:43.02HachimanWe've been around 20,000 years and we've already shot ourselves into space
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17:43.15Hachimanhai
17:43.18dromhai
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17:43.32MonetI don't like rating human significance on a geological or cosmological timescale. I find it rather pessimistic.
17:43.43WormyAnimal life only started evolving 580 megayears ago.
17:44.11WormyLife has been on Earth for 3.5 to 4 billion years
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17:45.18MonetHumans have very powerful and complex brains.
17:45.34MasterMachine_So did Neanderthall
17:45.39DrodoEmpireSo?
17:45.39MonetThe dinosaurs may have lived longer but their brains, in a way, were simple.
17:45.46MasterMachine_So?
17:45.50Wormy"I don't like rating human significance on a geological or cosmological timescale. I find it rather pessimistic."  I agree cuz http://www.daviddeutsch.org.uk/2004/02/depressed-by-the-size-of-the-universe-bah-humbug/
17:45.53MasterMachine_Isn't the purpose of life to live longer?
17:46.32HachimanTrue, intelligence isn't the goal of evolution
17:46.38HachimanBut intelligence helps a lot
17:46.47DrodoEmpire^
17:46.55MasterMachineUnless you create WoMD and wipe yourself out.
17:46.57dromI still stand on the point of direct democracy a powerful political ideology when the people know what their country need with the help of experts.
17:46.57dromPurpose of life?
17:46.57dromWhy do we die when our purpose is to live?
17:47.01MasterMachineThat could hurt your chances a little xD
17:47.24AndroImpyEvolution has no purpose
17:47.33WormyLife seems to have powerfully effected Earth's physical conditions.  Maybe intelligent life or beyond in the future will modify the universe in the same way.  What is not denied by the laws of physics, and in the universe's long future, I imagine things will get more interesting.
17:47.42DrodoEmpiredrom: Biological processes start to degrade overtime. :P No philosophy needed.
17:47.43AndroImpyMasterMachine: Life's purpose is to make more of it, basically
17:47.51dromLife in this universe feels more like an act of bullshit created by the physical laws.
17:48.21AndroImpyLong live (so that more offspring could be produced) is one path but breeding like rabbits while having short lives is too
17:48.25dromWhen death exists.
17:49.42WormyModern Darwinian theory is more based on the evolution of replicators, or selfish genes.
17:50.12WormyThe Peacock's tail is selected by sexual selection, but its actually a great disadvantage
17:50.22MonetLife is all about survial to make more of life.
17:50.30WormyIndeed natural and sexual selection can extinct species
17:50.48AndroImpyBecause peacocks with big tails are more easily recognised by females, thus the genes stick
17:51.01WormyI think at the replicator level, there is no higher meaning at all.
17:51.06AndroImpyI wonder if blue and green eyes and light hair in humans developed the same way
17:51.10dromIf Oxygen is poisonous, why didn't we evolve a different method of metabolism so we could live more or less longer?
17:51.24WormyMaybe on more emergent levels meaning arises
17:52.12AndroImpyWomen have more unusual appearance -> Men fuck dem
17:52.13WormyLike ourselves, I believe the human quest for meaning is valid
17:52.16AndroImpyHey this logic works
17:52.43AndroImpy*Women have more unusual looks
17:53.19WormyThe old idea "survival of the fittest" just isn't true when you look at these examples.  Replicators aren't trying to make species more fit.
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17:54.28Wormythe "good of the species" is a myth
17:55.11MasterMachineWell
17:55.15MasterMachineOn a somewhat related note
17:55.38MasterMachineI think that evolution to a point works, but after a period of time the continued evolution can actually be detrimental to a species
17:56.03HachimanWell evolution isn't always a beneficial progress
17:56.10MasterMachineFor example, human inteligence was great when we were tribal, but now we've gotten to the point where that same inteligence could cause our extinction
17:56.12HachimanIt's just a term that means "change"
17:56.15MasterMachineYeah I know
17:56.19dromGotta go.
17:56.35MasterMachineOh, fun fact, Sharks are older than trees.
17:56.38Knight_AlienMaster how was it great?
17:56.39MonetI think anything that is capable of rational thought is capable of making mistakes.
17:56.53MonetAnything.
17:57.06WormyYes
17:57.08HachimanAnd anything capable of making mistakes is also capable of making up for them as well
17:57.32WormyIndeed
17:57.34MasterMachineKnight_Alien: from a survival persepctive the tribal-level of technology was optimal because we didn't use more resources than we had but we were smarter than other creatues and had that advantage.
17:57.34MonetIts a two-way street
17:57.41MasterMachineIsn't everything?
17:58.01WormyBut most other lifeforms are not capable of even changing their behaviour.
17:58.09HachimanYes, we may have built WMDs, but we're also using that same potential for destruction to build a path to the stars and other worlds
17:58.15MasterMachineYep
17:58.32MasterMachineAt this point it's really a race between our aggression and our progress
17:58.40Knight_AlienWHat other perspectives do you have besides survival?
17:59.06MonetGive any animal the capacity for rational thought I'm pretty sure they will both make grave mistakes and great feats. For one that's how learning owrks; adapting to and understanding mistakes.
17:59.10MasterMachineYou have the standard of living perspective, the religious persepctive, and the technological persepctive.
17:59.19WormyIt would be incredibly pessimistic, even fearful, to reject change just because it would unveil new threats, even if one lives a sustainable life.  Look at what happened to the Easter Islanders
17:59.21MasterMachineAnd probably more I forgot.
17:59.45Knight_AlienReligous wise it was compelete chaos.
17:59.50MasterMachineThey did what we're doing now.
18:00.10MasterMachineKA - I mean like, many religions do not like progress due to conflict with their beliefs.
18:00.49MonetA lot of the time the conflict with change threatened the ocntrol the clergy had over their followers
18:01.07Knight_AlienThat is true monet.
18:01.08WormyIts not necessarily a rejection of progress, but a taboo about creating new ideas or criticising authoritary.
18:01.43MasterMachineFair enough.
18:01.53Knight_AlienAnd Technology wise?
18:02.09WormyIt stamps out change and tries to sustain a way of life.  Its basically whats called a static society meme which over-rides our critical faculties.  Many cultures were stagnated by this.
18:02.11MasterMachineAs for technological, thats basically "Doesn't matter what happens to earth or humans, if we make a better computer"
18:02.39WormyWell, to build technology, you are forced to reach for new ideas and criticise what you are doing.
18:02.42Knight_AlienNot really.
18:02.54Knight_AlienThey care about Humans.
18:03.19MasterMachineFrom a solely technological perspective humans are just the tool to make better tech
18:04.04WormyOr is tech just an "out-sourced" extension to build a better human?
18:04.15WormyProbably neither :P
18:04.21MasterMachineI personally expect humans to develop into more cyborganic/entirely mechanical beings, once we figure out how to download our brain into computers
18:04.22Knight_AlienWhy build a better human.
18:04.46MasterMachineKA: To live longer, to have less illness, to be more adaptable to different environs...
18:04.52WormyNot necessarily by intention, but as a natural consequence of using tools.
18:05.01MasterMachineThat too
18:05.17Knight_AlienYes those make sense but isn't that very selfish if you think about it.
18:05.19MonetMasterMachine: Maybe, Although I read somewhere that there might be deep-set discomfort in having a virtual body.
18:05.30WormyBy using mobile phones you can communicate in a way no biological adaption could find
18:05.43MasterMachineMonet: Not a virtual one, a mechanical one.
18:06.19WormyI don't get how its selfish to improve one's l;ife against the inhospitable nature of nature.
18:06.28Knight_AlienTo give up your own Humanity for a machine...
18:06.43MasterMachineKA, that depends on if you think "humanity" is the body or the mind.
18:06.52Knight_AlienIllness I can agree on though.
18:06.57WormyFor most of the year, if I was locked out my house and couldn't find shelter I'd die of cold.
18:07.12MonetYeah its possible that by genetically altering ourselves we become less "human" by this logic
18:07.16MasterMachineAs well as if you think the 'soul' exists in only the human body or if it follows the mind to wherever the mind goes.
18:07.23WormyThe British climate would kill me because I'm not adapted to it
18:07.28MasterMachineHur
18:07.30MasterMachineSame here
18:07.38MasterMachinePhilly is not hostibable to humans
18:07.44MasterMachine#TooMuchF*ckingSnow
18:08.18WormyIn that sense, a house is quite an amazing thing, a human build environment
18:08.30WormyObvious but deep when you think about it
18:08.35MasterMachinecities too
18:08.39Knight_AlienMy point is why gibe your Humanity up to a machine you show signs of weakness to have to depend on a machine and your Betray your Religion if you believe in one.
18:08.45Knight_Alien*Give*
18:08.53MasterMachineKA...
18:08.58Knight_AlienBut this is not about Religion.
18:09.06MasterMachineWe aren't giving ourselves to machines. We are becomng machines
18:09.15WormyI wouldn't worry about betrayal of all things.
18:09.26MasterMachineWe retain our free will, but we gain the power of a machine
18:09.47MasterMachineThink of it as having a car and a computer built into you for ease of access
18:10.05Knight_AlienI wish not to be a machine.
18:10.29Knight_AlienA Cold , emotionless and possiblly hive mind.
18:10.36MasterMachine...
18:10.40WormyMy life depends on a very fallible biological machine that could fail at any time.
18:10.46MasterMachineI hate how people think of machines are cold and emotionless
18:11.02Knight_AlienIf you make them EMotionless and cold.
18:11.08MasterMachineHollywood ruined AI
18:11.11Knight_AlienYou don't have to.
18:11.13WormyIf I was dying, I think in the spirit of medicine, I'd like to have machine parts
18:11.20MasterMachineAgreed lol
18:11.30MonetI agree with MM here
18:11.39Knight_AlienWe that is your choice.
18:11.39WormyAs do I
18:11.40MasterMachineI wouldn't mind being downloaded into a computer so long as I retained my ability to feel emotions
18:11.52MonetThanks to Hollywood, there's this image of robots being destined to be cold, emotionless, uncaring and homicidal at the earliest opportunity
18:11.58MasterMachineNow, if couldn't get pissy when my favorite anime is canceled, that would piss me off xD
18:12.10WormyIts pessimism really
18:12.18MasterMachineNow, heres a thought, technically humans are just biological machines
18:12.28WormyWe can't know that AI would be evil, its no reason not to explore AI
18:12.41Knight_AlienI don't think robots are evil or cold.
18:12.43MasterMachineLife itself operates just like machines do, but happens to be made of 'softer' stuff.
18:12.47Knight_AlienYou make them that way.
18:12.54MasterMachineYou *can* make them that way.
18:12.55Knight_AlienOr you make them love and feel.
18:13.05MasterMachineI like the idea of machines like Watson
18:13.10HachimanI myself like to believe that the mind is human and you can have machines that know and understand affection and expression
18:13.18MasterMachineYes
18:13.20HachimanLike the Gravital from All Tomorrows
18:13.24WormyBut if they are truly conscious, thinking beings, they might have their own ideas about things.
18:13.28MasterMachineMachines can feel emotion. Like the kid from AI.
18:13.31AndroImpyI think giving advanced AIs emotions would be sensible
18:13.58MasterMachineIt would give them empathy for the human condition and acceptance of our occassional mistakes.
18:14.00Knight_AlienI love the idea of giving Ai life and emotion but I would never wish to be one.
18:14.13WormyAI's might not be built anyway, they might evolve.
18:14.15MasterMachineBut it could ALSO result in fear of human power and a powerful drive to survive.
18:14.16MonetEmotions are what puts us a step above calculators and difference engines.
18:14.19AndroImpyHmm.
18:14.35AndroImpyIf you give a robot the ability to love, you could also give it... hm...
18:14.37MasterMachineWormy, I've always believed that there is already fully functional AI in the wodl.
18:14.41MasterMachine*world
18:14.42MasterMachinelol
18:14.56HachimanAndroImpy: Are you implying an AI with a Kalcedia-level sex drive
18:15.10Knight_AlienHe is -_-
18:15.19AndroImpy...minus the "Kalcedia-level" bit
18:15.26WormyThere might be one we are not aware of yet.  I mean if the internet evolved consciousness, it wouldn't know about us straight away, it would live in internet land
18:15.30MasterMachineThe internet is made up of literally millions of computers with power far greater than a human brain, I think it's almost illogical to think that there is no AI in there, hiding from us.
18:15.45MasterMachineWe'd be just another input to it
18:15.52MonetTake the film Irobot: It is mentioned that the main character hates robots because he saw one save him and not the 6 year old girl he saw in th next car over because the robot rated him as having a higher chance of survival purely on observatio and not something like "that's a child drowning"
18:16.05WormyHave you heard of the Invisible Hand of the Market?
18:16.10MasterMachineYeah
18:16.17MasterMachineIsn't that a theoretical AI
18:16.27WormyCould be an 3economical swarm intelligence
18:16.29MasterMachinethat exists as an AI created by human will?
18:16.59WormyIt evolved itself
18:17.17WormyWell, OA created a story out of it, but its a real idea http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c19732e6203d
18:17.42MasterMachineNow, this is gonna sound VERY strange, but compare a human to the planet. Whats stopping the planet itself, life & inanimate objects, from being a single organism with a mind we can't even comprehend or detect?
18:18.11MasterMachineOr for that matter, the galaxy - a mind made up of stars and the gravitational pulls between them.
18:18.17MasterMachineI need to create that in SPorewiki...
18:18.18MasterMachinelol
18:18.31MonetRocks aren't really designed to compute stuff
18:18.41MasterMachine-points at the mantal-
18:18.54WormyIts possible, in fact, the idea is called Gaia.  But while I'm sceptical the Earth is a superorganism, its true life can cause positive feedback loops and has changed its chemical and physical properties.
18:19.17MasterMachineRocks moving around can be use to compute stuff, magma could sustain a mind through movement of information in the form of mineral deposites
18:19.40MasterMachineI admit its outlandish
18:19.50MonetYeah its rather alie nto how the brain works
18:19.58WormyI doubt the Earth would be organised into anything like a human built machine though.  But it is a complex and organised object.
18:19.58Monetor any known living brain
18:20.05MasterMachineBut I think it's stupid of humans to say that just because its different means it can't exist.
18:20.20WormyYes
18:20.20MasterMachineMonet: the reason we wouldn't notice it is BECAUSE it's so alien to us
18:20.23MasterMachineTrue Alien Life.
18:20.35MasterMachineTo the point we cannot commune or interact with it directly
18:20.35Wormyor stupid of some humans
18:21.10MasterMachineI once had a talk with my mom about a machine species that can do literally everything humans can, would it be 'alive'?
18:21.16MasterMachineShe said no becausde it's a machine.
18:21.20MonetDoesn't Gaia Theory vary between "The earth is a living thinking thing" and "Earth is a complex network of systems"?
18:21.30MasterMachineYeah
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18:21.37GD12Hello
18:21.40GD12Wow lots of people
18:21.40MonetHello
18:21.41WormyEither life or a similarly highly emergent system
18:21.43MasterMachineBut what is the human body but a bunch of systems in a network?
18:21.45WormyHi.3
18:21.53MasterMachineHi GD
18:21.55GD12Monet : Incredible work on the Alcanti Triad image
18:22.05WormyIt does Monet
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18:22.48MonetIf the mantle is a planet-scale cortex, I take it these magma and mineral currents need to cmpmpare to electrical currents though axons and synapses?
18:22.53WormyWe are having an AI/epistemology/optimism vs. pessisism/future of humanity discussion
18:23.14MonetGD12: Thanks. I'm glad it's been so highly recieved.
18:24.06WormyI doubt very much the Earth's processes work like the human brain, for yes, if those phenomena could abstract what neurons do, it could think over geological timescales.
18:24.29GD12hmm
18:24.43WormyAs Master said, you could build a computer out of Billiard Balls if you wanted to.
18:25.05Knight_AlienYou wish to join our discussion GD12?
18:25.08GD12Sure
18:25.28GD12I intend to get a doctorate in COmputer Science (i'm just a cs undergrad now) so I'm interested
18:25.38Knight_AlienWell they are talking about what is alive and what is not at the moment.
18:25.44GD12You can build a computer if you figure out how to get a high/low 1/0 state
18:25.47MasterMachineSo I just decided to make a list of possible concept-thinking beings... here's the first one:
18:25.48MasterMachine•Gravity Mind – Created by the gravitational interactions between stars, planets, and pretty much everything else in a galaxy, this mind functions on a scale that most species cannot even perceive. As a mind that doesn’t have the ability to commune with anything not functioning on a galactic scale or using gravity as a communication method, this being is always seeking out different thinking life forms by creating ‘
18:25.56MasterMachinenatural rules of the universe.
18:26.15Knight_AlienBut we were discussing Robotics inside humans or even us becoming Robotics.
18:26.25MasterMachineKA, you'll get used to this.
18:26.27GD12brb
18:26.34Knight_AlienUsed to what?
18:26.48MasterMachineI remember once we started with something like cats v/s dogs and ended up talking about quantum physics
18:27.20Knight_AlienCats...:}
18:27.31Knight_AlienAlso I see your point.
18:27.35MasterMachineThe topic always shifts and varies over time. btw, Dogs are better because they don't scratch you xD
18:27.48Knight_AlienMy cat luvs me.
18:27.57WormyIts time we stuck Schroedinger in his experiment
18:28.03Knight_AlienSHe would never eat me like she does to her prey.
18:28.05MonetIt loves ou as the bringer of food Alien
18:28.15MasterMachinelol
18:28.16Wormytoo much cat murder in the physics community.
18:28.32Hachimanbrb dinner
18:28.32MasterMachineDog: You are my god! | Cat: I am your god!
18:28.41Knight_AlienNo It luvs me.
18:28.45MonetWas Ivan Pavlov any better for brainwashing his dog?
18:28.46Knight_AlienI am sure of it.
18:28.52MasterMachinexD
18:29.08MasterMachine(not luling at anyone, just at the tun in theconvo)
18:29.45Knight_AlienDogs can steal my food and come back a minute later whanting a hug the smug theifs. >:{
18:30.31Knight_AlienBut I have a cat and dog and they both act different from one another.
18:30.50MasterMachineOf course they do
18:30.52WormyThey are just forgetful
18:30.57MasterMachineDogs are pack animals, cats are loners.
18:31.10WormyUnless KA has a lion.
18:31.11MasterMachineDogs = Loyal forever. Cats = Loyal for the moment.
18:31.14MasterMachinelol
18:31.18Knight_AlienMy cat (Star) is a independent hunter who doesn't leave of ten.
18:31.21MasterMachineKA, do you have a lion? :P
18:31.29Knight_Alien*The house*
18:31.40Knight_AlienI have a chinsese crusted.
18:31.44WormyI wear I've seen people on the internet with pet hyenas
18:31.57MasterMachineI will admit, cats do stay loyal enough that they'll stay with you and will follow you if you abandone them
18:31.59Wormya chinsese crusted lion?
18:32.07MasterMachineBut between cats and dogs, dogs are the more loyal
18:32.08Knight_AlienNo.
18:32.37MasterMachineMy pit Lexi was taken in by us from a friend, when the friend visited for the first time in about 5 years she (Lexi) was overjoyed.
18:32.44Knight_AlienMy Dog is a Chinsese crusted.
18:32.55Knight_AlienNot a lion.
18:32.58MasterMachineShe doesnt usually jump up on people, but she did for that friend who recued her from the pound.
18:33.09WormyI have two dogs, a whippet and a border jack (collie cross jack russel)
18:33.41Knight_AlienMy Cat follows me eveywhere I go in the yard and through out the neighbor hood.
18:33.56MasterMachineTwo more concepts of life, for the bored people who give a f*ck:
18:33.58MasterMachine•‘Sonic’ – A form of life that usually only lives for the briefest moments of time, Sonic Life exists as nothing more than Sound Waves, and can experience all of its evolution over the course of mere seconds.  â€¢Photonic – Photonic Life lives even shorter lifespans than Sonic life. Made up of the vibrations of energy that form light waves, these beings experience time on a scale so different from the rest of the
18:34.25MasterMachine(mind you these are based off of the initial idea that life is nothing but organized energy)
18:35.15AndroImpyAll existence is organised energy I believe
18:35.22Knight_Alien^[]^ have you spoken at all Mr. Birdman?
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18:35.37GD12Are we still on the robotics discussion?
18:35.38Knight_AlienAh your back.
18:35.39^[]^Not really
18:35.46^[]^I just like idling
18:35.47^[]^a lot
18:35.52MasterMachineGD, we've moved on to cats v/s dogs now.
18:35.54Knight_AlienAre you a user>
18:35.55MasterMachinelol
18:35.58^[]^I have 77 channels I'm joined
18:36.00GD12Ahh I see haha
18:36.03Knight_AlienNot exactlly.
18:36.04^[]^I only actively participate in about 5
18:36.07AndroImpyWhere are you from?
18:36.08MasterMachinelol
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18:36.30Knight_AlienGD12 what do you think about Cybernetic implants?
18:36.36WormyMaster:  Photonic life wouldn't perceive time at all.
18:37.02GD12What about them?
18:37.24Knight_AlienDo you like it and the idea or dislike mostly.
18:37.36GD12I quite like it
18:37.47Knight_Alien0_0
18:37.54GD12I'm very interested in cybernetics huhu
18:38.13WormyI want to be a cyborg
18:38.14Knight_AlienLooks like I am the only one against it...
18:38.33GD12I mean having cybernetics doesn't necessarily mean looking like  a servitor from 40k
18:38.43Knight_AlienI know.
18:38.46GD12A lot of it could be internal stuff that enhances your functionality while not altering how you look
18:38.49WormyWho knows though, maybe future cyborgs will look human like the rest of us because its biotechnology and nanotech
18:39.16Knight_AlienI like Robotics and Robots but Cybernetic implants are not my way.
18:39.20GD12It could also be noninvasive stuff like wearable computing
18:39.22WormyI think we already are cyborgs when we play with smart phones and talk on IRC :P
18:39.26GD12Which you could take off any time you wanted
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18:39.48MonetThese days the craze is technolgoy that's smooth ,sleek and minimal
18:39.50GD12Hello there
18:40.01WormyGD:  Have you seen Brazil?
18:40.24Knight_AlienI am talking about Implants.
18:40.24GD12Wormy : No sadly
18:40.27MasterMachineWormy: Oh cool. I'll just make that alteration...
18:40.33MonetSo it spossible that, practices willing, we'd end up with Bicentennial Man-like cyborgs rather than 40k servitors
18:40.41Knight_AlienOnes that extend life , Enhance things and suhc.
18:40.43GD12I saw Brazil versus Germany
18:40.48buildkirbyusHey guys! Can you tell me why my images aren't loading on my page? I'm new to wikia so that may be a problem
18:40.51Knight_AlienGermany one.
18:41.00Knight_AlienBrazil zero.
18:41.01WormyGD:  Oh well.  He just directed this film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rae7_O_6EtU
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18:41.24WormyI loved seeing that match
18:41.29GD12Wormy : Watching now
18:41.42GD12buildkybyus : Did you upload them first?
18:42.27GD12Ahh looks like you did
18:43.14GD12I think it will mostly be embedded computing where we get superhuman abilities and networking wjhile maintaining our normal external forms
18:43.39SpuWell that was all fun
18:43.53MonetHello
18:44.29Knight_AlienI dislike the idea of Impants, Like enhancing sight for example.
18:44.36Knight_Alien*Implants*
18:45.43GD12buildkirbyus : I edited this page so it displays your stuf correctly nwo http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Milla
18:46.21buildkirbyusi see that. Thanks!
18:46.21Spuhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=314157541
18:46.59WormyKnight_Alien:  The way I think of it, if your neurons were replaced one by one with technology, but slowly, and in a way you wouldn't notice or change your mental life, then it isn't a big leap of choice at all.  Afterall, every few years most of our cells and died and were replaced.  And people who are recovering from serious injury sometimes are forced to choose a new life
18:47.34buildkirbyus@GD12 i see what i was doing wrong. I copied the image link, while i was supposed to link the image name itself
18:48.07Knight_AlienSome are forced to choose a new life not all.
18:48.22WormyHaving enhancements, or increased longevity need not make any changes to the things humans do everyday, you may still enjoy the same things as you did before.
18:48.55GD12Yeah thats it
18:49.05Knight_AlienYou won't see me in the streets rioting over Implants. But I dislkie having a machine do,fix or extend somthing for me.
18:49.41WormyBut where is your cut off point?  You are using a machine to talk to me now.
18:49.45Knight_AlienSome or even most like it but I am not part of that group.
18:50.00Knight_AlienMy cut off point you ask?
18:50.37Knight_AlienWell having a Robotic implant in my body.
18:50.43WormyI kind of understand, I don't agree with all of transhumanism, particularly the fictional singularity and the belief in supernatural AI knowledge
18:51.49buildkirbyus@GD12 I am still wondering what these entries mean: Intelligence (i assumed sentient), Biochemistry, and Empire Class
18:52.25WormyAnd pessisism of the human mind the likes of Ray Kurzweill has
18:52.56Knight_AlienI am not anti-Machins and Robots if you are getitng that feeling.
18:52.57GD12Intelligence is Sentience Quotient I believe
18:53.17Knight_Alien*Getting*
18:53.28GD12Biochemistry isl ike Carbon based, silicon based etc
18:53.37Monetthere os/was a page describing sentience quotent
18:53.38WormyI'm struggling to understand why you don't like the idea of implants myself.
18:54.12Knight_AlienWhy I dislike Implants you say?
18:54.20Wormyyeah
18:55.06WormyI'm sure there are ethical concerns over superhuman cyborgs running about but to me, a cyborg doesn't necessarily mean that stereotype.
18:55.38Knight_AlienWell I don't like having to depend on a machine , some do but I don't need to.
18:56.11buildkirbyus@GD12 That makes sense, thanks.
18:56.15MonetIn this day and age, wierd as it sounds ,you already do depend on machines
18:56.31Knight_AlienAnd machines helping my Sight and such is somthing I dislike also.
18:57.11GD12SQ 13 is human sq iirc
18:57.14Knight_AlienI know we depend on machines Cars,Computers but my life or death is what I mean.
18:57.26WormyI'll tell you what I like about transhumanism (I've said why I don't), its the possibility of engineering entirely new experiences, and extent the sorts of environments human can live in (like space).  And possibly of seeing heat, or beaming oneself at the speed of light, or having several bodies sounds intriguing to me.
18:57.27MonetShips, loddied and vans bring your food in, harvesting machines gather the ingredients for your food, power stations generate enrgy to keep your food in your fridge cool and your house illuminated at night
18:58.13Knight_AlienI just said Life and death is what I mean.
18:58.25WormyOr the possibly of experiencing another one's thoughts or emotions, or building new qualia (like a new colour)
18:58.51Knight_AlienI like space and I wish to be up their and explore but a Implant so I can see somthing better I shall not get.
18:59.03TekDroidAnd of course things lile sight aren't life and death either.
18:59.08TekDroid*like
18:59.30WormyWhat if you was blind however, and then bionic sight was mastered and you could see again?
19:00.43Knight_AlienI said some need it and that is one they need. Until I am In need of implants I will deny them.
19:00.47WormyImplants already are used in the medical field.  I know a guy who calls himself an early model of a cyborg because he was inbvolved in a motorcycle accident and had to have metal put in his legs or risk amputation.
19:01.21Knight_AlienIf I was blind I would need to think it over.
19:01.49MonetSo its a matter of "I don't need them now so why should I need them at all?"
19:01.58Knight_AlienBut I am not and until that day comes I am agianst Implants.
19:02.32WormyBut why?
19:02.44Knight_AlienIt may sound careless to think I may not need them now.
19:02.56WormySorry if I'm being annoying, I just want to know.
19:03.25MonetIt seems ocmmon among people to shrug something off until they need to depend on them
19:03.26Knight_AlienBut until the eyes and arms and feet I am blessed with betray me Implants shall never peirce this skin.
19:03.45buildkirbyusDang Cyrannian is away, i was just about to ask him about joining the Cyrannus Galaxy.
19:03.51Knight_AlienWormy don't worry I am not annoyed.
19:04.17WormyYou mentioned earlier it was about betrayal of the body.  So I guess its more of a personal or moral reason.
19:04.23Knight_AlienI sometimes don't understand things that people or things do and I pursue it.
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19:05.21Knight_AlienWormy I dislike Implants because If I have eyes that work and may not even be the best why get fake ones.
19:05.33WormyI don't like surgery, and probably wouldn't have implants unless I needed them.  But I'd accept non-invasive cybernetic tech for now.
19:06.19WormyOf course I'd have surgery for a medical reason and may accept such impants given the opportunity
19:06.35Knight_AlienWhy take away a valueable object only for it to be replaced by a Implant.
19:07.04Knight_AlienUntil it fails to were it dies I shall not replace it.
19:07.22HachimanImplants would probably work better
19:07.34WormyI'm not sure if you can rationally justify that though, but I accept that you value your eyes enough not to want them swapped.
19:07.42Knight_AlienAnd how long will this Implant last , it may evetually break.
19:07.55HachimanNot all implants are mechanical you know
19:08.08WormyRemember, even the cells in your body channge
19:08.20Knight_AlienYea I know.
19:08.22WormyYou are not who you were 10 years ago
19:08.30HachimanWe're getting to the point where we can create biological eyes from cells that operate better than our own
19:08.41HachimanThat would effectively last longer
19:08.55Knight_AlienYes and many would and will be pleased.
19:09.06WormyYou share a heritage, a memory and maybe personality.  But then maybe personalities change...
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19:09.22SpuAs long as we don't get Purity First on our cases we'll be alright
19:09.31Hachimanhur
19:09.31Wormyyeah
19:09.31Spuscuse me for a sec
19:09.47*** join/#sporewiki Xho (5604212f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.4.33.47)
19:09.50WormyI'd hate it if cyborgs started controlling baseline humans
19:09.57MasterMachineHi Xho
19:10.00Knight_AlienBut I value what I have been given to start with and so why add on to it.
19:10.09XhoMasterMachine: I've been here for hours
19:10.11Knight_AlienAnd why take away form it.
19:10.27MasterMachineXho: Shhhh, don't ruin my dreams lol
19:10.45XhoI think I'm gonna quit drinking alcohol for good now
19:10.56MasterMachinelol
19:11.07Knight_AlienI may think rational sometimes but not everything can be explained.
19:11.15WormyJudt think of your liver
19:11.30WormyThat puts me of drinking
19:11.31XhoWent out last night and I was a quivering half-dead wreck by the end of it
19:11.40Wormy*off
19:11.51XhoI only had four pints of beer and I was pretty much suffering from alcohol poisoning
19:11.59Knight_AlienPeople and things do things we can't explain.
19:12.14DrodoEmpireKA: Yet. :P
19:12.26MasterMachineKA, I believe that part of the point of life is to explain those things that cannot be explained :)
19:12.35Knight_AlienLike souls and ghoss are  still being debated.
19:12.39DrodoEmpireIts also why we have the scientific method.
19:12.51XhoI think the soundtrack for a great deal of my hangover was The Ayahuasca Experience by Meshuggah
19:12.59DrodoEmpireNot really; Most of the scientific community in particular thinks its bull. :P
19:13.08DrodoEmpireGhosts and whatnot
19:13.24Knight_AlienGhosts are seen as fake to science?
19:13.39MasterMachineSouls can be debated, ghosts are believed to be human imagination
19:13.39MonetThere's no quantifiable evidence for ghosts other than personal accounts.
19:13.40DrodoEmpireIt can be explained through particularly vivid hallucinations or other anomalies.
19:14.02TekDroidMost "proof" is either anecdotes or faked evidence.
19:14.18HachimanSo I think I'm gonna go with Tā (homo sapiens lepus) as the name for Hachi's race
19:14.18MasterMachineSouls are really just not debated by scientists because they cannot proove or dispoove their existance.
19:14.35DrodoEmpireAgain, not yet.
19:14.48Knight_AlienGhosts entertwin with souls and souls will never be proven false so ghosts shall not etheir.
19:14.54MasterMachine-develops a way to measure spirit-
19:14.54DrodoEmpireI suppose the idea of a soul isn't measurable at the moment
19:15.09MasterMachineKA, Ghosts are already proven false.
19:15.09XhoHachiman: gud
19:15.22Knight_AlienAnd how is this?
19:15.23MasterMachineAt least, insofar as any serious investigations have been made.
19:15.24XhoOh god this is gonna go into a religious discussion I can feel it
19:15.26DrodoEmpireKA, you cannot say with absolute certainty that they souls can "never" be proven false; That's simply foolish.
19:15.31MonetThe closest we have to the concept of the soul is consciousness. Which is still a bafflement as t owhere it came from
19:15.33MasterMachineThere is ni proof of their existance.
19:15.33dromSomebody pinged me?
19:15.34MasterMachineNow
19:15.35HachimanSince according to Imp, Tā is Chinese for "different" and I think it's a cute name hur
19:15.41MasterMachineI need go bugger off and go to work :(
19:15.49MasterMachine-wishes science could proove work false-
19:15.50MasterMachine:P
19:15.50OluapPlayerSpecies: Retarded
19:15.57XhoNu - in dat case imma just call u da kicathian word for 'dum'
19:16.37HachimanNow I just need to figure out a history for the Tā's origins and then I'm largely set
19:16.58Knight_AlienWell I ask you a question most think about , does your Brain cause Imagination and thoughts?
19:17.10HachimanKnight_Alien: Yes
19:17.16TekDroidYes.
19:17.19Knight_AlienIt does now you say?
19:17.21WormyXho:  Do you drink much beer?
19:17.30XhoI used to drink a lot of everything
19:17.35Knight_AlienAnd why is that?
19:17.41XhoIt might be to do with my weight loss
19:17.46WormyFour pints only get me started really.
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19:17.52WormyHi
19:17.57The_RandomnessHello everyone
19:18.05Knight_AlienIsnt your brain just a storing device , some say?
19:18.09WormyI had three last night and I was a bit merry but not out of control
19:18.15GD12Hello
19:18.16XhoThe last time I went out drinking like that I was heavier than I was now
19:18.21XhoThan I am*
19:18.25WormyAh I see
19:18.26Knight_AlienSO how could it cause thoughts and Imagination.
19:18.30HachimanIf you think the brain is just a storage device then you're dum
19:18.31DrodoEmpireKA, pardon my being curt, but get to the point.
19:18.36DrodoEmpire:P
19:18.37WormyIt was probably a shock to the system
19:18.38HachimanIt's evolved to be a multifunctional organ
19:18.44DrodoEmpire^
19:19.02XhoThen again now I'm sort of closer to underweight than I am anything else
19:19.04TekDroidYpir brain is effectively a very complex computer.
19:19.07Knight_AlienI never said I thought It was just a stroing device.
19:19.16Knight_AlienI said some do.
19:19.17DrodoEmpireIt handles and manages bodily functions, percieves signals from the organs, makes decisions from those signals, composes thoughts...
19:19.28DrodoEmpireThe list goes on
19:19.50MonetNo known computer can do what it can. Although there's question if the Internet as a whoel can do it
19:19.51Knight_AlienSo once again I ask why does it cause Thoughts and Imagination?
19:20.00HachimanAnd dreams are just images conjured in the brain while you're unconscious made from a combination of your thoughts and stored memories
19:20.19DrodoEmpireWhy? Why does it have thoughts?
19:20.22XhoI imagine thoughts and imagnation are stimulus gathered from environmental experiences
19:20.25DrodoEmpireBecause that's what it does.
19:20.26DrodoEmpire:P
19:20.37DrodoEmpireAre you trying to disprove science or something?
19:20.46DrodoEmpireI don't understand the question
19:20.46XhoYou hear of feral children, I doubt they have the same thoughts and imagination as a child brought up in civilisation
19:21.06WormyIt would take a lot of new scientific evidence and explanation to convince me the mind does not emerge from the brain.  But there is that key word, at the level of neurons, there is no thought or self-awareness.  But together, all the neurons firing could perhaps emerge into consciousness in a way we don't fully understand.
19:21.14Knight_AlienSo your Brain causes thoughts and hold thoughts so what about Imagination?
19:21.36HachimanSame thing
19:21.40DrodoEmpireImagination is similar to thought
19:21.48HachimanImagination stems from innovation
19:21.52Knight_AlienBut it is not the same.
19:21.55WormyWell imagination is the ability for our thoughts not to conform entirely to external stimulus
19:22.00DrodoEmpireHence "similar"
19:22.09DrodoEmpireIt allows you to actually use those those thoughts and ideas and put them to applied use
19:22.40Knight_AlienSO it is told.
19:22.48DrodoEmpireWhat, you have a better theory?
19:22.49DrodoEmpire:P
19:23.03XhoPeople often say that artificial intelligences will become intelligent enough to become self-aware
19:23.08GD12^
19:23.26XhoI guess the brain functions similarly in that respect but the human brain has evolved over 200,000 years and technology has been around for only a fraction of that
19:23.28Knight_AlienWell so be it , my point is what you may think it is.
19:23.54DrodoEmpireThat's the nature of theories; You never know anything 100% but you can know as much as physically possible.
19:24.05XhoI imagine technology's advancement which appears to be much quicker than human evolution will eventually surpass the human brain
19:24.06Knight_AlienAre you 100% sure Thoughts are Imagination comes from the Brain or the Soul?
19:24.16DrodoEmpireNo; Because that's impossible.
19:24.32DrodoEmpireWe only believe the brain is the command centre of the brain; But this belief is sound and supported by evidence
19:24.37Knight_AlienBut I thought Souls were still a mystery?
19:24.38DrodoEmpireSo it should be correct
19:24.46DrodoEmpire...What?
19:24.50DrodoEmpireWhat the...
19:24.56Hachiman>Implying souls exist and are a thing in scientific theory and not a result of culture, religion and pre-modern misinformation
19:24.57The_RandomnessThere is no evidence that suggests that souls exist, or do not exist.
19:25.00DrodoEmpireBrain does not equal soul
19:25.07DrodoEmpireI missed the "soul" bit
19:25.08Knight_AlienAnd so the tower Crumbles.
19:25.33The_RandomnessThe soul is also an embodiment of the entire mind/body separation thing that I don't feel like going into right now.
19:25.36DrodoEmpire"And so the tower crumbles"?
19:25.50Knight_AlienI am just saying what if it is Inter-twined with souls if you believe in them.
19:25.55Knight_AlienThat is my point.
19:26.06TekDroidThere is scientific evidence that it comes from the brain while there is nome for souls. There is a burden of proof here, and it is not on brains.
19:26.07HachimanWhat
19:26.09Knight_AlienSo I am done.
19:26.35DrodoEmpiregtg
19:26.35HachimanI think in the end it doesn't matter if souls exist or not really
19:26.46XhoScience is a human construction of everything trying to understand itself
19:26.56XhoWhat cannot be explained does not exist within the realms of science
19:27.07TekDroid^
19:27.14HachimanBut Xho, religion and mythology is the same
19:27.16WormyI'm not even sure what a soul is, its different in different belief systems, and is occasionally implied by things.
19:27.26WormyDon't bother explaining it to me
19:27.35XhoHachiman: True
19:27.39HachimanPeople come up with unrealistic BS to try and explain stuff they don't understand
19:27.49HachimanScience just disproves it and shows how it's done
19:28.21XhoI'd like to think of the soul as a locked gateway of the subconscious being able to understand higher things than just what we see and experience
19:28.38WormyScience is even about proof, but tentative rejection of error prone theories (less error prone ones survive)
19:29.12XhoI wonder whether it will get to a point when the purpose of science runs out
19:29.12dromSweden is becoming a shit place to live in.
19:29.32dromI'm planning to immigrate to Norway by 2018.
19:29.42WormyI'd like to think that the soul is the information that holds us together, like I said, our bodies change its if we have an information heritage.  But I don't say this is actually so or a soul
19:30.07WormyBecause isn't that the Self?
19:30.23The_RandomnessWhat is the self?
19:30.35Knight_AlienWell a Soul to me is your Personality , thoughts and such put together in one and it maybe works along side the body , Ghosts are lost souls ones to be lost and forgotten.
19:30.53The_Randomnessspooky ghosts
19:30.57WormyConsciousness?  Or everything of ourselves we are conscious and unconsciously aware of?
19:31.09Hachimanspoopy
19:31.12Hachimanhttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/15265_327531674074201_2708372663748862280_n.png?oh=5073b809bea5efe6181b1523bfbdac8d&oe=54CB9FAA
19:31.24WormyMaybe the self is an illusion.  Scary thought.
19:31.26The_RandomnessIs the self entirely constructed by you? Or is it also shaped by social interactions?
19:31.43Knight_AlienAnd from a Religous perspective I think Heaven and hell are different Dimensions or Pocket diemsnsions were the same rules don't apply and our souls go their.
19:31.44OluapPlayerSpooky level: 2
19:32.09XhoThings like psychopathology does support the idea that the self is an illusion
19:32.42Knight_AlienAnd those Dimensions are connected to ours so sumoning is a possible thing and ghosts are a possible thing.
19:32.59WormyDaniel Dennet talks about that.  And it could be that our lives, our "selfness", is a fiction concocted by the Left Brain to make sense of the world
19:33.04Knight_AlienAnd maybe ghosts are souls trapped here.
19:33.11The_Randomnessspooky
19:33.24Knight_AlienSo that is my therory.
19:34.07WormySounds like theold  "Ghost in the machine"
19:34.19Wormyor vitalism
19:34.32WormyThat the body is a puppet for the supernatural.
19:34.36Knight_Alienhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrMXtZfaBiM Darksouls in a nutshell.
19:35.49WormyThere is evidence that our choices and thoughts, maybe in part me, determined by the unconscious mind.
19:35.57Wormy*may in part be
19:36.14WormyThough that is an uncomfortable idea to say the least.
19:36.32Knight_AlienFrom a Religous Perspective it is a Training body I think and if we survive and we don't do a-lot of sinful things in the process we are rewarded but in another Demension/Pocket Demension.
19:36.57WormyI think, minds are emergent myself, an organised loop of information, signal to symbol level and back again
19:37.06The_Randomness^
19:37.25Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop#Definitions
19:37.54WormyIt may allow for some free will, at least at the symbolic level that arises out of different regions of the brain firing
19:37.58HachimanAs soon as you mention religion you've lost the scientific argument for proof
19:38.04WormyYes
19:38.45WormyReligion requires faith, but science works of conjecture, criticism and refutation (that implies testability and the rest)
19:39.06Knight_AlienI am not Arguing , I was just sharing a therory they have.
19:39.46WormyIts not really a theory in the scientific sense, I hate to be harsh.  Its an idea though, and you did say "Religious perspective"
19:39.55XhoHachiman: Alfgund                      Lawful Good -> Hates Elves
19:40.02dromAlright. It looks like Canada is going to be where I'll immigrate, probably with my family too.
19:40.12HachimanHates elves -> Likes everyone else
19:40.22Xho-> True
19:40.56OluapPlayerAlf
19:40.59XhoI'm still trying to work out what Pelagrios' elven heritage is from
19:41.07HachimanProstitution
19:41.14OluapPlayerkek
19:41.36HachimanOluapPlayer: Funny cuz Alfgund's name is supposed to be something like "elf killer" when translated
19:41.39XhoI might make him half Natelevari-Elf which would make him unique
19:41.45OluapPlayerALF THE ALIEN
19:41.54OluapPlayerNatelevari
19:42.00OluapPlayerwat da devil
19:42.02Xhohttp://www.ole-music.net/wp-content/uploads/Alf_digital_painting_by_ezekdesigns.png "I hate elves"
19:43.05XhoNatelevari Elves are an ancient elven race that are more or less extinct in the modern world
19:43.11WormyThe Tweenies Great Grandfather
19:43.24XhoThe elven king who Kalarah blasted to bits with heat was a Natelevari Elf
19:44.36XhoIn effect Pelagrios really should be taller than what he is since Natelevari Elves were around 6'8" tall
19:44.48Xho203 cm that is
19:45.15OluapPlayerWell Clothovera is daughter of a 3m tall elf yet she's a womanlet
19:45.18OluapPlayerSo not really
19:45.22MonetWell it has been 15,000 years
19:45.35The_RandomnessI'll be back in a bit
19:46.40HachimanPerhaps that artefact Pelagrios has stunted his growth
19:46.48XhoPossibly
19:47.28XhoI dunno what human heritage he has either
19:47.37HachimanProbably Manorian
19:47.55HachimanEither Manorian or Mannazian, he wouldn't be Alhassan or Karacay
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19:48.47XhoOh great I need to make a page for the Natelevari Elves now don't I
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19:49.23OluapPlayerYou don't need to
19:49.36HachimanI'll need to make a page for the Tā soon enough
19:49.56HachimanI'll have to find ways to make them and the Lagosi not identical hur
19:50.15HachimanAlthough considering that Tā are human offshoots then I suppose that wouldn't be too hard
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19:50.34OluapPlayerget back to skype pls
19:50.39Hachimanech
19:52.50AndroImpyXho: Manorian or Alhassan
19:53.09XhoI chose Manorian
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19:53.51AndroImpyPelagrios is now fantasy Italian hur
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19:55.13XhoHe's a drunken lothario, it works
19:55.18HachimanPelagrios doesn't look at all Alhassan
19:55.22HachimanFirst of all he's white
19:55.46XhoActually his skin is golden
19:55.54XhoGolden/olive complexion
19:56.07XhoI just can't get it right in game
19:56.11OluapPlayerPelagrios - don't be upsetti have some spaghetti
19:56.29XhoTurava - if by spaghetti you mean your dick then fuck off
19:56.38OluapPlayerPelagrios - maybe                         yes
19:57.12AndroImpyXho: So Arab/Italian/Jewish/Hispanic
19:57.50XhoItalian/Hispanic is closer
19:58.26OluapPlayerPelagrios - it's a me, drunkio
19:58.37WormyI found a perfectly trustworthy salesman https://twitter.com/Agdgdgwngo
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19:58.56buildkirbyustotally./
19:59.07OfficerJackalHello!
19:59.11Wormyhi
20:00.31XhoAlthough I dunno what kind of beings the Natelevarí Elves are
20:00.46OluapPlayerpointy eared men
20:00.46OluapPlayerc
20:00.49XhoTechnically they're a more normal-looking High Elf
20:00.56XhoSo yeah pretty much
20:01.14XhoWhereas the Orichalcum Elves were giant golden olympians
20:02.17AndroImpySpeaking of half-elves, I wonder if Imperials actually have a great deal of elven blood in them
20:02.27XhoImperials - *scream*
20:02.36CyrannianHai
20:02.37OluapPlayerNot non-nazi ones should do hur
20:02.46AndroImpyLike most African-Americans are 20% European for example
20:02.51OluapPlayer~wallop Cyrannian
20:02.52infobotACTION Grabs a rather large desk and bonks Cyrannian about the head with it.
20:03.13Xhohttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10687107_2307396622648909_5543506194437412762_n.jpg?oh=be2ae793357b92e5d42cc1a33484343d&oe=549C0CFE
20:03.28OluapPlayerolol
20:03.43buildkirbyusLOGIC XD
20:03.49Cyrannian~lick OluapPlayer
20:03.49infobotACTION licks OluapPlayer *SHLUUURRRRPPP*
20:04.15XhoPelagrios without his Gladiitenebris shard wouldn't be very attractive
20:04.28XhoHe'd have Void Sigil scars and burn marks all over him
20:04.37XhoAnd he'd probably start growing again
20:04.50OluapPlayerHow would removing the demon artifact from him give him demon scars?
20:04.50AndroImpyPelagrios is Hulk hur
20:05.02OluapPlayerIf anything it should be the opposite
20:05.10AndroImpyPelagrios - PELAGRIOS DRINK PUNY RUM
20:05.13XhoOluapPlayer: Pelagrios was captured and tortured in Abyssus
20:05.31XhoThe Gladiitenebris shard healed the scars and burns over
20:05.48Xhohttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10406469_925724480808076_4927233115041629622_n.jpg?oh=c0756120d13cabb79238e814507581a1&oe=548C820C&__gda__=1418271412_98c91dcc286f9f61520ad10bdd035b5e
20:05.52OluapPlayerRight
20:05.59OluapPlayerSEY
20:06.12XhoWhich is why Pelagrios recognised Ánnoria and Leviathan
20:06.27OluapPlayerNow I imagine Pelagrios losing the shard in some random bar game because he's a dummy like that
20:06.32AndroImpy...actually I can see an interesting storyline now
20:06.38AndroImpy*can imagine
20:06.43XhoPelagrios - i never lose
20:06.56XhoIt's true though, Pelagrios never loses hur
20:06.56OluapPlayerKinmo - listen here u- wait he's right
20:07.17AndroImpyJavina (or some other racist Imperial) finds out she is distantly related to some important elf dude like Mequelet
20:07.19OluapPlayerPelagrios never loses -> send him to defeat Caligaduro -> he wins
20:07.23AndroImpyCue butthurt, rage and denial
20:07.40OluapPlayerYeah, speaking of which
20:07.43OluapPlayerGo work on Mequelet pls
20:07.52AndroImpyRite
20:08.39Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189432 I think I'll close this blog and add the suggestions unless anyone has any last-minute suggestions.
20:09.32Wormyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0N_oJ10NcY
20:09.32buildkirbyushonestly, you're not getting an opinion from me, i haven't even started :P
20:09.50XhoI wonder whether Pelagrios' habitability with the Gladiitenebris shard has made him resilient to Caligaduro's gaze if he ever saw it
20:10.08OluapPlayerPelagrios stares at Caligaduro -> "bro u need to shave"
20:10.14XhoCaligaduro - shup
20:10.27Monetbuildkirbyus: You're new here so I don't mind at all.
20:11.23OluapPlayerSpeaking of Pelagrios, I had an idea for a pirate-y character and I imagine him and Pelagrios could have some history
20:11.33OluapPlayerAnd by "I had an idea" I mean "I stole the idea from Hachi"
20:11.33Cyrannianhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140914185916/spore/images/b/bf/CyrandiaCluster.png - New map
20:11.45Xhohur
20:11.49Hachimanhue
20:12.06OluapPlayerA pirate dude who has a massive hateboner for Tangilaruka, Moby Dick-style
20:12.21XhoPirate Dude - THE WHALE                HE BE WHITE NOW
20:12.25HachimanSPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
20:12.38OluapPlayerBefore you say anything, I'm aware that Captain Ahab wasn't a pirate
20:12.47OluapPlayerbut shit dun give
20:12.54WormyBeautiful map Cyrannian
20:13.16HachimanCyrannian: Pretty nice map, I like it
20:13.20WormyAnd I learned something new about the disturbances.
20:13.21CyrannianNo, you're beautiful Wormy
20:13.23OluapPlayerIt's a good map yeah
20:13.34XhoUsing that allegory I realise that Pelagrios is Captain Ahab and Riad is Queequeg
20:13.54WormyYou are more elegant than me however, Cyrannian.
20:14.20XhoIt's likely that Riad has engaged in cannibalism though
20:14.28MonetCyrannian: Interesting map. I like the warping effect around the edges.
20:15.22OluapPlayerPelagrios - GIANT FUCKING WHALE               THERE IS NONE             WHERE'S MY RUM
20:15.36MonetAlthough this buble makes me curious now as ot how the DI managed ot establish gateways in both Quadrants and Cyrannus...unless there are some shenanegans at work here.
20:16.38MonetOr maybe the Imperium somehow seized wormholes that happened to be natura lconenctions to these two galaxies.
20:16.39WormyThis is a public information announcement from the Holy Ones:
20:16.42Wormy-mist:$$*- [Global Notice] Reminder - This weekend freenode staff identified some compromised binaries present on a number of servers in the network. These servers have been taken offline.  Since password-sniffing may have taken place, we advise all users to change their passwords.  /msg nickserv set password newpasshere. More information will follow later in the week. http://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/
20:16.51Wormy-mist:$$*- [Global Notice] Please note - this is not a new issue, just another notice of the same issue from the weekend.  If you already changed your password following the previous announcement you do not need to change it again.  Sorry for any confusion
20:17.14WormyI never made a password so hah hah
20:17.27OluapPlayerMore like you never learned how to make a password
20:17.30OluapPlayerWiggly dum
20:17.34WormyBut you might want to
20:17.53WormyYeah always mess it up when I try
20:19.02MonetOn second thoughts yeah, Seized wormholes is probably the most likely situation.
20:20.20XhoThinking about it, Pelagrios is going down a dark path with or without the Gladiitenebris shard
20:20.34XhoHis Natelevari Elf heritage probably means he's going to live a lot longer than the average human
20:21.32XhoHow long, I don't know though
20:21.46OluapPlayer12 seconds
20:21.57XhoA night with Pelagrios = $400,000
20:22.12OluapPlayerPelagrios - FOR TWELVE SECONDS... *cries*
20:22.38XhoPelagrios - twelve seconds               is all it takes
20:23.13XhoWell King Dromaedon wasn't even middle aged by the time of his death and he was around 2,050 years old
20:23.30XhoSo I'd hazard a guess at a Natelevarí Elf's lifespan at around 8,000 years
20:24.31XhoJudging his half-elven nature Pelagrios will probably live around two tothree thousand years
20:24.39Xhotwo to three*
20:25.06MonetRight. Xho's and AB's quotes will go at the top, I'l lfind somewhere to put VIncent's (maybe a society summary)
20:25.27XhoThough considering he never knew his father was a Natelevari Elf nor does he even know what a Natelevari Elf is he's probably gonna start going down a dark path once he realises he isn't going to die any time soon
20:25.45HachimanIf they're extinct how was his dad one
20:25.52XhoAlmost extinct I said
20:26.29XhoEither his father was thousands of years old (and hid it very well) or he was just normally ageed
20:26.31Xhoaged*
20:28.08XhoThough on his page there it says his mother was captured
20:28.27XhoLikelihood was that the Shiarchon burnt her alive and then used her charcoaled mass as a display
20:28.42XhoShiarchon are friendly like that
20:28.59OluapPlayerShiarchon - bitch called me fat             bit rude
20:29.43XhoReason behind the Shiarchon burning down the town/city that Pelagrios lived in was likely for the sole reason that his father and his father's kind was a long-standing enemy of the Legion
20:33.09XhoSeems that Pelagrios and Clothovera share a similar past
20:33.18XhoHalf-elven children obviously don't last long in Koldenwelt
20:34.11OluapPlayerNot when they live near xenophobes
20:34.31XhoPelagrios - hey         the xenophobes came to us
20:38.39AndroImpySpeaking of which I wonder where does Clothovera's human parent come from
20:39.11XhoI've given Pelagrios' father's name as Astrelevaron Dromaedon
20:40.36Wormy_awayTop 10 Crazy Computer Case Designs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uK86qQn5DU
20:40.56OluapPlayerHer human mother comes from an old bloodline of witches
20:41.16XhoWormy_away: If the cube one was black and glowed red I'd be sold
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20:41.51Wormy_awayyeah
20:42.01Wormy_awayMy desktop glows red
20:43.01Liquid_InkHowdy
20:44.15XhoSame hur
20:44.42CyrannianHai
20:48.07AndroImpyRite I will begin working on Mequelet now
20:48.22OluapPlayergud
20:48.34AndroImpySince I seem to have catched some illness I will be at home all day tomorrow so I will have time
20:48.50OluapPlayertuff hur
20:48.53OluapPlayerjk
20:49.01Wormy_awayBaby Jumping Festival https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eSLijEGgLA&list=UUZWcMUTC1LCinAvbT4xW3EA
20:49.46AndroImpyAlso we can do some RP tomorrow too
20:49.55OluapPlayerI have work tomorrow
20:50.12GhelHello.
20:50.29AndroImpyI mean an RP in general, not Vampire stuff
20:50.39OluapPlayerwell fuk u too
20:50.41AndroImpyIt does not have to include you, I am talking to everyone
20:51.17Wormy_awayi
20:51.22Wormy_awayhi
20:52.06MonetI think I might only be available in the evening
20:52.13MonetFirst day of induction tomorrow
20:53.18AndroImpyRite
20:53.27AndroImpyWill there be any Latin chanting there?
20:53.53MonetThere wasn't last time I went, and my previosu couse was part induction int othe Royal Institute of British Architects.
20:54.04MonetAlthough I think that would coem in my third year
20:54.04Wormy_awayIf Nicholas Cage was a woman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwcMz9X_220&index=26&list=UUZWcMUTC1LCinAvbT4xW3EA
20:54.30Wormy_away0:45
20:55.04XhoAndroImpy: RP for what
20:55.08MonetAlso the Imperium's formal name is "The Sublime Imperium of the Drak'onis" (in High Dracid its "Salpemarga Dominicus'drakonisda")
20:55.20AndroImpyXho: Shattering dunno
20:55.49MonetYes I am pushign the snobbery lol
20:58.48HachimanI wonder if the Tā have an independent civilization of their own or if they exist exclusively across the human civilizations
20:58.59HachimanI know they can be found throughout human territories though
20:59.02HachimanProbably
20:59.26CyrannianAre they your new ape civilisation?
20:59.29Wormy_away123 year old man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlq4vxR1V4&src_vid=U2W6dTTclHI&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_2604222389
20:59.37OluapPlayerfinish paegs
20:59.38HachimanNo, they're Hachi's kind
20:59.58HachimanThe space monkeys will come much later hur
21:01.34HachimanThis makes me wonder what Tā hybrids look like when they mate with baselines/nearbaselines
21:01.49HachimanSince the Tā are presumably compatible with baseline humans
21:02.24Xhoi dun wanna kno
21:02.26AndroImpyHachiman: Maybe the Tā have an organised/self-governed diaspora within human territories, a "state within a state" of some sort
21:02.30MonetLess hary munkeys perhaps?
21:02.39MonetWait Ta hybrids...
21:02.46MonetBunny peopel with smaller ears?
21:02.47AndroImpy?
21:02.59GhelWhen they mate with baseline humans, the babies are bunnies. That's all I know.
21:03.03AndroImpyMonet: Bunny kemonomimi people hur
21:03.32AndroImpyHumans + Tā = Playboy bunnies hur
21:03.54MonetHugh Hefner - someone ressurect me
21:04.00OluapPlayerfukin furfags
21:04.17Hachiman>Implying Hugh Hefner doesn't still exist as a disembodied intelligence in a synthetic body
21:04.29MonetAll hair Hefnertron
21:04.50buildkirbyusSpecing a spaceship to stats... a lot more difficult than you might think,.
21:05.16MonetTBF the geezer is old, I'm not sure if he'd live long enough to see mind uploading
21:06.16XhoWell, he is 88
21:06.28MonetDayumn son.
21:06.38AndroImpySo, what if the Ta basically have small communities in each human state that are all governed by some bunny council or something
21:07.19HachimanI guess it depends on the state that these communities reside within but yeah that kinda makes sense
21:07.27MonetLike the nuerous Jewish communities?
21:07.31CyrannianA bunny council sounds adorable
21:07.53HachimanUrgent political discussions are held over carrots and lettuce
21:08.10AndroImpyMonet: Yeah think Jewish or Korean
21:08.25MonetI'm more familiar with Jewish communities.
21:08.53AndroImpyThere is a community/organisation in my city called "Korean National Cultural Autonomy" that keeps inviting me to various events and meetings
21:09.04AndroImpyI ought to visit one of them one day
21:09.10MonetI've never seen that in ENgland.
21:09.30HachimanWe don't get a lot of Jews over here
21:10.06MonetI think Jewish communities arem ore common in the states.
21:10.20AndroImpyWe had a lot of Jews
21:10.36AndroImpyBut now they all went to Israel ;-;
21:10.40AndroImpy*moved
21:10.42MonetThe term "ghetto" originalyl referred to a Jewish part of a city.
21:10.46AndroImpyYa
21:10.46XhoJewish communities in the UK are mostly in London
21:10.47MonetI believe
21:10.59AndroImpyAren't the Scottish traditionally associated with usual Jewish stereotypes in England instead BTW?
21:12.01MonetYou might be 200 years a bit late if you're referring to Brit-Jacobite aminosity.
21:12.19AndroImpyI mean the association with commerce
21:12.31MonetNo I don't think so.
21:12.33AndroImpyScrooge McDuck hur
21:13.03MonetThe "scots and employment" stereotype we have is thme working in shipyards, mines or heavy industry
21:13.27MonetScrooge McDuck however is a stereotype of the wealthy landowning Scottish clan heads.
21:13.58MonetWHo would own these big country houses out in the highlands
21:14.29AndroImpyRite
21:14.36buildkirbyusI'm going to log off now, see you guys later!
21:14.40MonetBye
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21:15.26MonetAfter all, "mcDuck" indicate's he's from Clan McDuck.
21:15.56MonetOr is it referred to as "clan Duck", not sure
21:16.06HachimanClan Duck
21:16.12MonetRIght.
21:16.21Monet"mc" being like "of"
21:17.55AndroImpyIn Russia, the ethnicity traditionally depicted as miserly is the Ukrainians
21:18.35AndroImpy"What I can't eat, I'll bite"
21:18.57MonetI'm not sure who the "miserly" British ethinicity is.
21:19.16Knight_AlienWhat is this Clan duck thing?
21:19.36MonetKnight_ALien: It's what Scrooge's McDuck's surname means
21:19.58Knight_AlienDucktales right?
21:20.03MonetYeah
21:20.07Knight_Alienoh.
21:20.14MonetI think the British Isles ahs more of a miserly class than a miserly ethinicity
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21:21.24HachimanWell there are the stereotypes of the Iirhs
21:21.26Hachiman*Irish
21:21.51Knight_Alienhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txj6ROnIUIo Ducktales with ducks.
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21:22.12The_RandomnessHello everyone
21:22.24Knight_AlienHi
21:22.34MonetDickens made out Ebenezer Scrooge and the Marley Brothers to be the epitome of the serious London businessman; Cold, uncaring, money-centred and priding themselves on being the ideal of a modern and evolving Britain.
21:24.50MonetDickens was born into the working-class echelons of society, so to him these guys were like uncaring giants striding across Victorian London, shaping it and stamping down factories as and where they pleased with no apparent thought as to the lives they were affecting.
21:25.27MonetThe victorian epitome was discipline, order, civility and organisation.
21:26.36MonetMakes sense I guess, London was becoming one of the wealthiest cities of its day
21:27.40MonetIt was the heart of an empire and was busting at the seams from the fruits of foreign shores and a popular urban home for merchant moguls and the like
21:28.18MonetBeing the home of the London Stock Exchange it was also the heart of business withi nthe Empire.
21:29.23MonetEven today with globalisation ists something like what, at least 4x more populous than any other city in the UK?
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21:29.50WyrmyMy image of rich Victorians is based on the bankers in Mary Poppins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxyB29bDbBA
21:31.18Wyrmyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk23s4hh8M8
21:31.20MonetWyrmy: Cose but a few years two late.
21:31.58MonetQueen Vic had been dead 9 years before Mary Poppins was set
21:32.25MonetBut I would say that's the tail end of the affluent Victorian.
21:32.31Wyrmyyep
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21:33.49Wyrmyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm0hSAgFhZo
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21:34.30Wyrmythey destroy his hat and umbrella
21:34.52MonetThe stuff Mr. Banks talks about when encouraging his kids to start a bank account, about the investments they'd be helping ,is typical of Victorian ambition.
21:35.00dromSweden will be ruled by a Red-Green coalition for the 4 next coming years.
21:35.29MonetThey believed that industry and expansion were the order of the day.
21:38.53Knight_Aliendrom what or who is the Red-green coalition , Terrorists?
21:39.08The_RandomnessProbably just referring to a political party or something
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21:40.40dromKnight_Alien: Hahah no.
21:40.59MonetWyrmy:Tey don't hurt Mr. Banks physically but the destruction of his hat and umbrella is certainly a powerful signal
21:41.05dromThey are a coalition of three left-wing parties.
21:41.22dromOne of them is focused on environment.
21:41.37Knight_AlienIf this is a riddle of sorts I am bad at them. XD
21:41.37MonetThe destruction of those two items could be a more "civilised" method of punishment
21:41.47dromSocialist Democrats, Left Party, Environment Party
21:42.01Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10626590_927237180630627_2372235300348180968_n.jpg?oh=38ae994869bd85d80bab4a5c3986b5e7&oe=5492C515&__gda__=1422745005_6e41589c612cc731301bc8289aebeb86
21:42.10WyrmyI can see it hurting a Victorian/Post Victorian man
21:42.20Wyrmyto have these items destroyed
21:43.06MonetHachiman: Tis a glorious week for physics and medicine
21:43.24CyrannianIt looks like I follow a lot of the same pages as you do on Facebook. That post just showed up on "I fucking love science" :P
21:43.26XhoHachiman: Just thought of the strange genre clash between a hybrid of Meshuggah and Muse
21:43.35HachimanGeezush
21:43.51The_RandomnessRelevant xkcd: http://xkcd.com/54/
21:43.53WormyI'm not sure what to think of IFLS
21:44.27WormyEverything that goes on it was already written in detail by Newscientist or Phys.Org or ScienceDaily
21:44.39CyrannianI just liked it last week. That was the first thing to catch my eye
21:45.24WormyMore on the solid light http://phys.org/news/2014-09-solid-previously-unsolvable-problems.html
21:45.25MonetWormy: I think IFLS could be consisdered a way to sum it all up
21:45.34Wormytrue
21:45.37HachimanWormy: Don't you have to pay for Newscientist though?
21:45.50MonetHachiman: Not neccessarily
21:45.51WormyNo, you can subscribe for free
21:46.01WormyAnd you get a feed of limited time articles
21:46.20Wormyand lots of pages you don't have to subscribe for
21:46.24MonetI can't remember if it was you Wyrmy or I discovered it on my own or someone eelse linking: A super-high speed footage showing light travelling from a osurce.
21:46.32WormyI mean "Sign in" for free
21:46.48OluapPlayer"spinosaurus was semi-aquatic and ate sharks"
21:46.54OluapPlayerThat's fucking awesome hur
21:47.13MonetEat that all those who say Spinosaurus only ate fishies.
21:47.23MonetI know sharks are fish but usually they mean smaller fishi
21:47.25HachimanSharks are fish
21:47.27Hachimanhur
21:47.55MonetI mean stuff like carp
21:47.58Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrandia_Cluster - Still under construction, but take a look so far or I'll castrate one of you at random.
21:48.06Wormythe big NS articles in the magazine itself you have to subscribe and pay, or buy the magazine
21:49.14The_RandomnessNice picture at the top, not really sure how I feel about the Tolkien-esque font used in it though
21:50.11WormyOoh they'll find a curse I bet http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028144.500-first-images-from-great-pyramids-chamber-of-secrets.html#.VBYNPfldV8E
21:54.32The_Randomnessinb4 there's graffiti that says "First"
21:56.35Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10649663_327532177407484_1716027351628189665_n.jpg?oh=42608a011042b86b0809dab61b47efa3&oe=54CBEF84&__gda__=1422749528_93c34ae6089a6dd88bb0d36d107bc522
21:57.08The_Randomnesscheck yourself before you wreck yourself amirite
21:57.20WormyIFLS is accused of copyright infringement http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/compound-eye/2013/04/23/facebooks-i-fcking-love-science-does-not-fcking-love-artists/
21:58.12MonetWell there are a -lot- of images it uses that are nto photographs.
21:58.17MonetSOmeone's got to make them
21:58.32XhoWormy: That's quite interesting actually, the pyramid
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22:04.20XhoI should really remake Pelagrios and Leviathan
22:04.25XhoI'll do that tomorrow
22:07.01dromKnight_Alien: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45707598/l%C3%B6fven.png
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22:07.10dromThat's the Socialist's party leader.
22:07.56Knight_AlienXD
22:08.12Knight_AlienThat is a maybe future leader of sweden?
22:08.17dromthe redgreenes shrekted the blues (liberals and capitalists)
22:08.20CyrannianNightie night
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22:09.04DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
22:09.09HachimanHai
22:09.13Knight_AlienHi
22:09.23dromhai goose
22:10.37MonetHi
22:13.04dromIs Canada a great country?
22:13.25DrodoEmpireIs it?
22:13.33DrodoEmpireWell in my opinion I suppose so. :P
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22:14.03DrodoEmpireThat said I am Canadian so I might not be the best one to ask; Perhaps just a bit biased.
22:14.24Wormyhttp://www.iflscience.com/brain/direct-brain-brain-communication-used-humans
22:14.26dromIf the blues and the nationalists win the next government selection. Gibe asylum
22:14.37MonetId say its an alright country.
22:14.39drom(in our country)
22:14.51DrodoEmpireThough the Tories are just a joke
22:14.59DrodoEmpire:P
22:15.19MonetSame here i nthe UK
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22:16.54XhoJust saw this thing about Imhotep from The Mummy vs Dracula
22:16.59Xhois dis even a reel contest
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22:17.28Wormyhttp://a8.ahfunny.com/stories/celebrities/15-cartoon-characters-in-real-life/8
22:17.35MonetXho: Probably
22:18.08WormyButt Head looks like a friend of mine...
22:18.09XhoWell you have Dracula who is a centuries old vampire and then Imhotep who's a millennia-old mummy resurrected as the harbinger of the Ten Plagues of Egypt
22:18.25MonetOh dear my sides Jhonny Bravo!
22:20.47WormyLots of people look like Peter Griffin
22:21.33Wormyhttp://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1272338195900410.jpeg  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f06l--4AB7g/Tu-LDJMSkII/AAAAAAAAAMM/_Dy6wLCJxBI/s1600/Peter+Griffin.jpg  http://www.digdang.com/media/images/real_life_family_guy_663.jpg http://media.techeblog.com/images/family_guy_characters_in_real_life_2.jpg
22:22.15MonetWormy: What's the DCP's situations regarding education and commerce?
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22:24.43WormyEducation - All childrehn are educated well, though like in the Soviet Union, there would be ideologically bound, especially on governance, free will, economy, maybe the arts
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22:25.22WormyCommerce, I dunno.  I don't imagine there is much in the way of property
22:25.24AdmiralPandahi all
22:25.30MonetHi
22:25.36MonetThanks.
22:25.51MonetI was going ot mention how the Imperium's stance on education and ocmmerce stacks up to other nations.
22:26.14Wormy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-property_system
22:26.31WormyI think I imagine the DCP like that
22:27.28dromAlright. The elections are now over.
22:27.47dromAs I said before. Sweden is now a socialist state.
22:27.53dromG'night.
22:30.54The_AwaynessHey Panda
22:37.01Wormysweet dreams http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/article_main_wide_image/public/images/72780.jpg?itok=aSgFJnAE
22:37.51Knight_AlienXD
22:41.21Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium#Culture how's this?
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22:43.39The_AwaynessWell-written and nice and short
22:46.05Wormygood work
22:49.00Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10703819_327532077407494_1851525016350965534_n.jpg?oh=c50607b77f60e4df043b751366558482&oe=548E1779&__gda__=1418207507_6ce8a13d12e12b7aa35e2d478986b48f
22:49.28Monet"Well because....science...?"
22:50.00AdmiralPanda"this all happened because your scientists asked "can we" rather than "should we""
22:50.10Knight_AlienMostly  XD
22:50.51The_Awaynesslol
22:52.49OluapPlayerhur
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23:07.55Knight_AlienHave any of you heard of jeff wayne's war of the worlds?
23:09.11WormyAddicted to it.
23:09.48Knight_AlienI love it.
23:09.51HachimanDrodoEmpire and Angrybirds: Do you two happen to play NationStates?
23:09.59DrodoEmpireI have one
23:10.02DrodoEmpireNever use it
23:10.14Knight_AlienWhat is your favorite song from it wormy?
23:10.29AngrybirdsHachiman: I used to, Tek is the nationstates fan here. ^.^ Why do you ask?
23:11.39DrodoEmpiretest
23:11.58HachimanI've been thinking about NationStates and I was wondering if you guys perhaps wanted to found a group of nations for us to play/experiment with
23:12.20MonetI think we used ot have a NationStates group at one time
23:12.24AngrybirdsTek0516
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23:13.56Knight_AlienMy favorite song from it is Dead london https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCwgV3fKMeg.
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23:18.22Knight_AlienAlso Wormy they made a game based on Jeff waynes war of the worlds.
23:19.04Knight_AlienAnd in it their is a very Imperialistict song for the martains.
23:21.41Knight_Alien:{
23:22.20Knight_AlienSo the rest of you havn't heard of Jeff waynes W.O.T.W?
23:22.36HachimanOf course we have
23:23.34Knight_AlienJust not super buffs like wormy.
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23:24.10Knight_AlienHi
23:24.11Wormyhi
23:25.20MonetGoodnight
23:25.38Knight_AlienNight
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23:28.22Knight_AlienWas Vincent on today?
23:30.27HachimanYes
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23:30.48GD12Hello
23:32.04Knight_AlienHi
23:32.27DrodoEmpireHey GD
23:35.06OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Vampires/The_Attacks#Dryadali:_Attack_at_Umbral_Refuge kaiju fightin'
23:37.13HachimanCue Pacific Rim / Shingeki no Kyojin music
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23:46.45TekDroid>.< My family had set up a Skype schedule for me for university. Which basically consisted of them saying they'll call me at that time
23:47.06TekDroidI don’t even remember what half the times they told me are.
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23:48.05AngrybirdsAnyone want a state-of-the art and awesome-looking light tank? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Gu%C3%A9pard :D
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23:59.52HachimanDrodoEmpire  AngryBirds  Tek0516: Would you be interested in founding a region for us to play with in NationStates?

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