| 00:00.12 | Wormy | This has got me into a lot of arguments in real life |
| 00:01.04 | Wormy | But I think feminism in its most modern form is thrawt with bad theory and bad memes. I also find feminists very uncritical. |
| 00:01.57 | Monet | I have ot agree I think I have encountered one or two peope lwho asked me why I didn't have the latest model of phone. |
| 00:02.48 | Monet | Its 2014 and I'm using a phone like this http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/phones/12159-large/Nokia-2700-classic.jpg |
| 00:02.50 | Wormy | I'm not anti-feminist, I support gender equality and all that, equal pay etc. But that is not what the army of tumblr feminists or Abtita Sarkeesian or Rebecca Watson are about. Many of these young feminists ignore real issues and play the victim or go all social justice warrior over games or conferenaces |
| 00:03.58 | Wormy | The trible is, if feminists Don't criticise them, this new meme wave will take over, it will outvoice good feminists and possibly even shit on them for not thinking the same way |
| 00:04.47 | Wormy | Whenever I bring up this argument, feminists I've spoken to have said "tyhey don't have time and want to tackle real issues" |
| 00:04.57 | Wormy | I don't see what is so wrong with rigour |
| 00:06.02 | Monet | Like these "Yes I'm a girl and I am a gamer. We exist, deal with it" types? |
| 00:07.03 | Wormy | Kinda |
| 00:08.15 | Monet | Thanks th omodern media the ones with the msot voice are often the ones with the loudest and the most opinionated |
| 00:08.16 | Wormy | Of course, these bad feminists are only feminists by name |
| 00:08.23 | Wormy | You are right |
| 00:09.07 | Wormy | Of course, all the while real gender issues exist, and go unoticed. |
| 00:09.22 | Monet | Its ironic that they're spreading their message while the media they're using as a platofrm quietly make fun of them. |
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| 00:10.10 | Wormy | hi |
| 00:10.19 | Monet | Hi |
| 00:10.33 | Cuttlefish | Hi |
| 00:10.41 | Cuttlefish | WWhat goes on? |
| 00:11.02 | Wormy | Its been a quiet day I think |
| 00:11.53 | Monet | Notice how half the time when the media interview furries there's always at least one or more of the interviewees being in a fursuit. |
| 00:12.19 | Wormy | I've never seen them on TV, oddly enough |
| 00:12.29 | Hachiman | Because furfags are fucking weird |
| 00:12.47 | Hachiman | I'm glad they're not on television, that would give them more undeserved attention |
| 00:13.17 | Monet | I have seen them on television. |
| 00:13.21 | Hachiman | And Monet, it's hardly the media ridiculing furries if they're ridiculing themselves first |
| 00:13.23 | Wormy | furries don't seem to be the most hated atm |
| 00:13.29 | Cuttlefish | How do you interview someone in an animals suit? Wouldn't that muffle their voice? |
| 00:13.33 | Wormy | I think they are subsiding |
| 00:13.43 | Monet | Cuttlefish: SOmehow they still do. |
| 00:13.49 | Wormy | Even bronies are flattening out |
| 00:13.53 | Hachiman | Wormy: More like more and more ultrafeminists are appearing |
| 00:14.00 | Wormy | Yeah |
| 00:14.02 | Hachiman | Furries and bronies are, unfortunately, still around |
| 00:14.18 | Hachiman | But ultrafeminists are something new to pick at |
| 00:14.55 | Hachiman | Eventually they'll subside but get treated with the same amount of deserved hate as furries and bronies do while the media and the internet attack something else |
| 00:15.07 | Monet | And the media seems ot completely ignore the kind of furry who only is only such because they prefer drawing humanlike animals. Its always the fursuiters and the tail-wearers they interview. |
| 00:15.08 | Wormy | They are only feminists by name, they are certainly not egalitarian ones who actually change the laws |
| 00:15.44 | Wormy | Narcissists are to be picked at in general and always will be, in one form or another |
| 00:15.49 | Hachiman | Monet: Doesn't change the fact that many of those furries still draw fucked up furry porn and identify themselves as anything *but* human |
| 00:16.14 | Monet | Hachiman: Okay now you're focusing on the vocal and wierd ones. |
| 00:16.26 | Hachiman | You don't have to wear a fursuit to be a furfag |
| 00:16.33 | Monet | Yes. they exist. But I doubt all of them are like that. |
| 00:16.44 | Wormy | Another thing being p[icked on, on the internet are ameature inventors like Solar Roadways |
| 00:16.49 | Hachiman | Only a small percentage of furries actually identify with normal people |
| 00:16.50 | Monet | I doubt all furries wear fursuits or draw anthro porn. |
| 00:17.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:17.22 | Monet | Hachi: Actually going by logic its probably the opposite. |
| 00:17.35 | Monet | In any fandom the wierdos are always the minority. |
| 00:17.48 | Hachiman | >Implying furries are logical |
| 00:18.10 | Monet | Most people who watch Star Trek for instance know hardly any Klingon. |
| 00:18.14 | Hachiman | They're not a fandom like bronies are, they're an entire *community* |
| 00:18.24 | Wormy | To run around in an animal suit must have reasons attatched that normal life doesn't have |
| 00:18.38 | Wormy | Its like people who dress up and petend to be babies |
| 00:18.54 | Wormy | having their nappies changed and fed by spoon |
| 00:19.05 | Hachiman | Wormy: Aye, and I imagine there's a minority of people who don't dress up as babies in whatever community that is |
| 00:19.23 | Wormy | who like to watch it |
| 00:19.27 | Wormy | lurkers |
| 00:19.36 | Cuttlefish | I'm confused, aren't/wern you a furry artist? |
| 00:19.50 | Hachiman | No, not anymore |
| 00:20.00 | Monet | Cuttlefish: he left the furry scene |
| 00:20.03 | Hachiman | I don't identify with furfags anymore because furfags are disgusting |
| 00:20.33 | Hachiman | They're vile, self-entitled, greedy, utterly bizarre and elite otherkin |
| 00:21.22 | Wormy | Elitists and self-entitled is what I hate in any fandom or group |
| 00:21.47 | Monet | hachiman: And you were of the very rare breed who wasn't? |
| 00:21.53 | Hachiman | Oh no I was |
| 00:21.58 | Hachiman | But I grew up |
| 00:21.58 | DrodoEmpire | Well I won't disagree that they're practice is bizarre, but its always a very dangerous thing to group so many people into one group and generalization |
| 00:22.18 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Until you've been there you really won't know |
| 00:22.22 | Hachiman | And trust me I know |
| 00:22.28 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps not. |
| 00:23.13 | Hachiman | It's kind of like saying "I don't think that car's performance is that bad really" when you haven't driven it |
| 00:23.47 | Hachiman | A majority of furfags and bronies that I've come across are utterly vile and I don't want anything to do with them anymore |
| 00:23.53 | Monet | I like to think of all communities and groups based on the 10-80-10 principle: 10% of all people in a group act bizarre and/or self-destructuve, 10% perform acts to actually progress and lead and 80% are part of the group but also going abotu their lives. |
| 00:24.43 | Wormy | I think both Hachi and Drodo are right on this, its complex |
| 00:24.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hachi: I'll take your word for it but I just find generalizations to be a dangerous thing in general |
| 00:25.01 | Cuttlefish | I don't really mind them as long as they keep the creepy porn to there own websites instead of public sites. |
| 00:25.05 | Wormy | I mean one can think back to say, the Nazis and see an overall trends |
| 00:25.12 | Monet | GranteI was told this principle is more about extrapolating what peop ldo in a crisis but I think it could be applied here |
| 00:25.22 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: Oh I agree and I'll say that not all of them are bad or self-destructive people, but a lot of them are |
| 00:25.47 | DrodoEmpire | Okay, fair enough then |
| 00:25.48 | Knight_Alien | What are we discussing? |
| 00:25.53 | DrodoEmpire | Again you have more experience then me. :P |
| 00:26.00 | Hachiman | Aye, unfortunately hur |
| 00:26.02 | Knight_Alien | I was gone for a momment |
| 00:26.09 | Wormy | furries |
| 00:26.13 | DrodoEmpire | Furries and other related groups/fandoms/cults |
| 00:26.15 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:26.20 | Knight_Alien | -_- |
| 00:26.38 | Knight_Alien | Ah other groups and Cults. |
| 00:26.42 | Monet | I've met a number of Christians online who are uncompromising, odd and don't appear to really think about the consequences of the scripture they spout. I've also met perhaps an equal number who are decent charitable people. |
| 00:26.44 | Wormy | I used to like the environmentalist crowd but now I despise a lot of it. Most of them are moonbats |
| 00:27.05 | Wormy | Greenpeace are dwnright liars |
| 00:27.22 | Wormy | And use fear tactics |
| 00:27.44 | Wormy | One example is an advert they made showing a commercial jet crashing into a Nuclear power Station |
| 00:27.53 | Cuttlefish | You mean the mega-vegans who despise humanity and bomb the offices of oil company workers? |
| 00:27.56 | Knight_Alien | Right now it seems Furries and Bronies are big. |
| 00:28.07 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Yeah I have a lot of friends that are Christian moderates (my mother was raised catholic after all) and most of them are reasonable people; That said my mum always gets uncomfortable when a conversation turns to the Old Testament. :P |
| 00:28.14 | Monet | Wormy: They actually did that? |
| 00:28.20 | Wormy | When the walls of nuclear power plants (most) have been tested by firing planes at hundreds of miles per hour at them |
| 00:28.22 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty low blow, that ad |
| 00:28.39 | Wormy | The planes atomised on impact |
| 00:28.47 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty damn secure. XD |
| 00:28.58 | Hachiman | Hell nuclear power plants can withstand their own radiation |
| 00:29.21 | DrodoEmpire | But yeah modern plants are built to rigorous standards; The stigma and fear surrounding nuclear power is entirely irrational |
| 00:29.22 | Hachiman | And when they fail they don't instant collapse, they degrade over a lot of time |
| 00:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | And have tons of failsafes |
| 00:29.43 | Monet | Hachiman: There's a difference between eithstanding the heat generated inside and withstanding the impact of a ten-tonne mass at 600mph |
| 00:29.51 | Hachiman | A lot of Chernobyl is still intact despite it being a nuclear wasteland |
| 00:29.57 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:30.10 | Wormy | Also, the anti-GM crowd are awful in many cases. This one group went ariound destroying the efforts of (Golden Rice I think it was). One member woke up one day and spoke against the group, how the rice is saving millions in East Asia from blindness and starvation |
| 00:30.26 | DrodoEmpire | And that plant was actually pretty shoddily built compared to modern ones; Their's a good reason why the disaster happened |
| 00:30.53 | Monet | Is Soiet Union Engineering! |
| 00:30.57 | Wormy | The group instantly had nothing to do with him after. Like all these groups, they tend to become inquistions |
| 00:30.58 | Hachiman | And yet it still stands today and I'm sure a couple of block-scale explosions took place inside it |
| 00:31.04 | Cuttlefish | I hate that. Genetically modified crops are not automatically bad for the earth. Sometimes it's actually better. |
| 00:31.10 | Wormy | yep |
| 00:31.42 | Monet | I like to think that most of these groups and fandoms and whatever are made up of people who quietly go about their business, not wanting to spend all day every day ramming their opiion down other peopes' throats. |
| 00:32.25 | Monet | The reason we don't hear about them is precisely that - they don't do anything to draw attention to themselves. |
| 00:32.51 | Cuttlefish | I don't think we should compare bronies and greenpeace. Furries and otakus haven't performed acts of terrorism. |
| 00:33.24 | Wormy | I know its Thunderf00t who is himself questionable but this contains the Greenpeace commercial and real footage of planes collided in the walls of reactors http://youtu.be/dTJlkEE3edo?t=58s |
| 00:33.24 | Hachiman | Cuttlefish: Yet. |
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| 00:34.17 | Cuttlefish | I hate thunderf00t. He's a totalasshat. |
| 00:34.29 | Hachiman | And while you may not get furry/otaku/brony/whatever terrorists, you do get the vile and intolerable extremists who enforce themselves on others |
| 00:34.31 | Hachiman | Bronies especially |
| 00:34.37 | Knight_Alien | I am surprised by how many people join these werid Cults/Groups. |
| 00:35.05 | Monet | Why would furries and otakus commit acts of terrorism? |
| 00:35.09 | Wormy | I love his "Why do people hate creationists" though |
| 00:35.11 | Cuttlefish | Yeah the whole fedora cult thing creeps me out. |
| 00:35.18 | Monet | Why would a furry blow up a shopping centre? |
| 00:35.39 | Knight_Alien | What exactly is a Otaku? |
| 00:35.45 | Wormy | He has become much more hateful recently |
| 00:35.49 | Knight_Alien | Bronies and Furries I know. |
| 00:35.50 | Hachiman | Monet: They may not do it for a "furry cause" but that doesn't mean they wouldn't |
| 00:35.59 | Hachiman | Everybody has the capacity to do so |
| 00:36.17 | Monet | Hachiman: Then they wouldn't be furry terrorists. |
| 00:36.27 | Hachiman | But they'd still be furries |
| 00:36.30 | Monet | THey'd just be terrorists who happen to be furries o nthe side |
| 00:36.34 | Hachiman | Knight_Alien: Otakus/Weaboos = anime enthusiasts/extremists |
| 00:36.53 | Knight_Alien | I like Anime but not to the Extreme. |
| 00:37.03 | DrodoEmpire | Ugh... I hate weeaboos. |
| 00:37.06 | DrodoEmpire | >.< |
| 00:37.13 | Wormy | I just thought today, you couldn't have a bronie weaboo could you? |
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| 00:37.21 | Hachiman | Yes you could |
| 00:37.22 | DrodoEmpire | I especially hate Katana cultists |
| 00:37.23 | Monet | TBH that accusation is like accusing an extremist bomber of being a Treekie terrorist just because it turns out he secretly liked Star Trek. |
| 00:37.25 | Hachiman | You really can |
| 00:37.34 | Wormy | Because they like anime and aths it though, right> |
| 00:37.38 | Wormy | ? |
| 00:37.47 | Monet | Rather than say...campaigning for an extremist Muslim cause |
| 00:37.54 | Hachiman | Wormy: No you do get a lot of bronies who are also weaboos and vice versa |
| 00:38.04 | Wormy | such cognistive dissonance |
| 00:38.14 | Wormy | they are beyond logic |
| 00:38.18 | Hachiman | Although all bronies are furries no matter what they say about it |
| 00:38.36 | Hachiman | They take enjoyment out of talking anthropomorphic animals all the same |
| 00:38.43 | Wormy | yep |
| 00:39.02 | Wormy | If you strip both personalities down the core, its the same theme |
| 00:39.22 | Cuttlefish | I think the porn is weird, but it's not really hurting anybody. |
| 00:39.30 | Wormy | Self-entitled, egotistic, "otherkin", etc |
| 00:39.35 | Knight_Alien | It is disgusting. |
| 00:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | CuttleFish: Agreed. |
| 00:40.04 | Hachiman | Cuttlefish: Keep in mind these people are capable of breeding |
| 00:40.10 | Knight_Alien | I could play on a TF2 server and out of no where Furrie pron on the wall. |
| 00:40.11 | Wormy | I'm not anti-porn, but it doesn't interest me in the slightest |
| 00:40.49 | Hachiman | And I have seen cases where people *conscript* their babies to grow into the fandom and enforce it on them through their childhood |
| 00:40.59 | DrodoEmpire | o.o |
| 00:40.59 | Wormy | Cultism |
| 00:40.59 | Hachiman | That's not common but it happens |
| 00:41.02 | DrodoEmpire | Hey! |
| 00:41.03 | Cuttlefish | Yeah, but it's just as likely for regular porn to show up, which is equally gross and uncalled for. |
| 00:41.06 | DrodoEmpire | Its like religion! |
| 00:41.07 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 00:41.44 | Hachiman | It's just as delusional, it just doesn't get tax exemptions |
| 00:41.56 | Knight_Alien | Drodo not exactlly. |
| 00:42.12 | DrodoEmpire | KA, I would disagree |
| 00:42.21 | DrodoEmpire | But that's a different story |
| 00:42.21 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:42.41 | Wormy | Because I don't know much anime, I have had the luxary of not encountering weeaboos yet |
| 00:42.51 | Knight_Alien | Their is two forms of Enforce of Religion from my point of view. |
| 00:43.02 | Hachiman | Wormy: MasterMachine is a self-proclaimed weaboo |
| 00:43.07 | Monet | Hachiman: I feel bad for saying this but it does sound like you are rooting for any hateful claim against the Furry community. I'm apathetic to the entire thing but it does sound like there is absolutely nothing positive about it |
| 00:43.07 | DrodoEmpire | ew |
| 00:43.08 | DrodoEmpire | ew |
| 00:43.10 | Knight_Alien | 0_0 |
| 00:43.11 | Wormy | ugh |
| 00:43.12 | Knight_Alien | 0_0 |
| 00:43.20 | Wormy | IS NOTHING SACRED |
| 00:43.34 | Hachiman | olol |
| 00:44.04 | Hachiman | Monet: There is nothing beneficial about furries. What have furries ever done to promote societal or cultural growth other than "this is what we should avoid"? |
| 00:44.06 | Knight_Alien | Drodo their is Enforcement of Religion and enforce of hatred to other 'outsider' Religions. |
| 00:44.11 | Wormy | Right, there is this one bloke I want to rant about |
| 00:44.45 | Wormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.49 | Monet | Hachiman: A lot of Furries grew up with animated cartoons. If you want to blame someone, blame Walt Disney for starting the whoel thing |
| 00:44.55 | Wormy | He is a real dick |
| 00:45.13 | Wormy | Also a climate change denier |
| 00:45.47 | Cuttlefish | And a nazi supporter |
| 00:45.48 | Knight_Alien | Nazi Supporting!? |
| 00:45.49 | Knight_Alien | -_- |
| 00:45.49 | Hachiman | Yeah Disney hated Jews |
| 00:45.54 | Cuttlefish | Disney really hated Jewish people |
| 00:46.20 | Knight_Alien | Disney the guy who made Disney the company who used to make good movies? |
| 00:46.21 | Monet | I just can't agree that every single furry is worthy of being declared the scum of humanity. |
| 00:46.36 | Hachiman | Monet: Not all of them but a whole damn lot of them |
| 00:46.37 | Wormy | Here is someone complaining about Motl http://backreaction.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/lubo-motl.html |
| 00:46.37 | Monet | Knight_Alien: The guy |
| 00:47.01 | Knight_Alien | :L |
| 00:47.12 | Monet | Hachiman: Okay not -as- bad but still hard for me to agree with. |
| 00:47.28 | Wormy | http://motls.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:47.46 | Hachiman | Disney was also quite the racist |
| 00:47.56 | Hachiman | But then so was everyone in that era really hur |
| 00:47.56 | Wormy | browse trhat long enough and you'll find hateful rants about other physicists, especiallt those ho do not support string theory |
| 00:48.06 | Wormy | Shame because he seems so promising |
| 00:49.42 | Wormy | http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-lee-smolin-is-immoral-double-faced.html |
| 00:49.46 | Wormy | Here we go |
| 00:49.48 | Wormy | Enjoy |
| 00:50.06 | Monet | Hachiman: I try not to see that as a laughable thing because what we consider fine today might be considered racist in the future. |
| 00:50.50 | Hachiman | I doubt it considering that we can recognize racism now |
| 00:50.55 | Hachiman | And we couldn't back then |
| 00:51.13 | Cuttlefish | Wormy: Who is this guy? |
| 00:51.35 | Wormy | He has a PhD in physics to his name, thats it, and acts like a professor |
| 00:51.44 | Monet | Well it sorta helped that back then it was widely beleived that blacks were a different kind of human altogether and that the Jews had betreayed God himself. |
| 00:51.51 | Wormy | I'm not even sure if he has a phD actually |
| 00:52.00 | Monet | Thomas Jefferson was a gaybasher for instance. |
| 00:52.25 | Wormy | Anyone accoirding to Motl who doesn't do string theory is an idiot http://motls.blogspot.com/2014/04/roger-penrose-continues-his-weird-anti.html |
| 00:52.31 | Knight_Alien | Gayism was a big sin back then and still is to many people. |
| 00:52.42 | Hachiman | I remember Tesla was a supporter of eugenics |
| 00:52.44 | Wormy | Penrose is a genius |
| 00:53.04 | Wormy | With outstabding contributions to physics |
| 00:53.17 | Wormy | He is allowed to take a different viewpoint |
| 00:53.35 | Cuttlefish | Then that man is not thinking like a scientist. String theory is not some big law that all must follow. |
| 00:53.35 | Monet | The Romans used the term "Barbarian" to mean "anyone not indoctrinated to be part of the Empire" |
| 00:54.49 | Monet | Hachiman: Back when Tesla was a supporter Eugenics was a reasonable idea because one did not have to kill off all the already-adult undesireables in order ot achieve it. |
| 00:55.08 | Wormy | Indeed |
| 00:55.24 | Monet | Problem was Hitler was an impatiant fuckwit. |
| 00:55.24 | Cuttlefish | Seriously? He just used jihad in the title like that? Does he actually know what that means? |
| 00:55.29 | Wormy | He uses personalattacksd |
| 00:56.01 | Wormy | Even rationalwiki don't like him http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lubo%C5%A1_Motl |
| 00:56.13 | Wormy | Note that I don't like rationalwiki much but there you go |
| 00:56.14 | Monet | Who knows, considering the research being conducted to understand primates fugure humans may consider US racist for seeing them as animals. |
| 00:56.21 | Monet | future* |
| 00:56.41 | Hachiman | But the apes currently are animals hur |
| 00:57.10 | Hachiman | If they get provolved in future then they'll have to accept that they *were* animals, like humans |
| 00:57.44 | Monet | I mean as in "less than human" considering wild varants have already been observed using tools. |
| 00:57.58 | Hachiman | Just because one can use tools doesn't mean they're equal to humans |
| 00:58.19 | Hachiman | That is, on an intellectual level |
| 00:58.44 | Monet | Yes but thsese future humans might still look down on us in the present for not recognising the status deemed upon them in the future. |
| 00:58.44 | Hachiman | The book "Blindsight" (free to read online btw) explores the idea of tool-using, spacefaring aliens that don't conform to identity and the concept of self |
| 00:59.10 | Cuttlefish | They don't have to be as intelligent as humans to have rights. It's kinda weird how intelligent animals like apes have less rights than brain dead humans with no consciousness at all. |
| 00:59.29 | Monet | The same way that peopel in the present look down on peope lfrom the 18th century for allowing institutionalised racism to happen. |
| 00:59.57 | Cuttlefish | Yeah even in the 1990s marital rape was totally legal |
| 01:00.13 | Hachiman | These aliens do things because it promotes them - they don't "understand" the things they do because they're unable to understand the idea of a *person* or an individual within their society. They built their society without *conscience* |
| 01:01.18 | Hachiman | And because humanity discovered them on the edge of their solar system and sent them a message of peace, the aliens couldn't understand it due to humans using terms, ideals and concepts that recognized personal identity and thus was seen as counter-intuitive |
| 01:01.33 | Hachiman | And thus the aliens became hostile because they saw humanity as a waste of time |
| 01:02.34 | Hachiman | In effect, the "philosophy" of the aliens was that the idea of culture and recognition of self and conscience actually hold back on technological and territorial promotion and is counter-productive to survival |
| 01:02.51 | Monet | If we were such a waste of time to them why did they devote resources ot exterminating us when they could have simply ignored us? |
| 01:03.26 | Monet | Or did they simply become actively antisocial towards us. |
| 01:04.04 | Hachiman | They became antisocial and didn't respond, simply sending probes to observe how stupid we were, and then we sent a ship up to theirs at the edge of the solar system to investigate them |
| 01:04.23 | Cuttlefish | I don't think they could get to space without some degree of curiosity |
| 01:04.41 | Monet | Agreed. |
| 01:05.00 | Hachiman | It's heavily implied that in the years it took to reach their vessel with our own, human society back on Earth has collapsed and the aliens saw all of it and further enhances the idea of us being dum |
| 01:05.30 | Monet | Okay this sounds like a "humans are stupid" story to me |
| 01:05.59 | Hachiman | It's not really, the human characters are likeable to an extent even though they've all done horrendously bad things in the past and are mostly augmented |
| 01:06.13 | Monet | 10,000 years of art ingenuity and culture and still some peope lthink we're the stupidest thing ot ever emerge from something's third hole. |
| 01:06.50 | Knight_Alien | Alien:Your dumb. |
| 01:07.11 | Knight_Alien | The mostly sums up many stories now to this day. |
| 01:07.23 | Wormy | It would have been slightly better for the story to bend it so that the aliens are dumb to us |
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| 01:07.32 | Wormy | as well |
| 01:07.41 | Hachiman | Wormy: Oh it does do that |
| 01:07.49 | Monet | Here's my question about this attitude: If we're so stupid, irrational and destructive ot each other how come we have yet to see WWIII? |
| 01:07.50 | Hachiman | Keep in mind the aliens themselves are "unintelligent" for lack of a better word because they don't have conscience |
| 01:08.14 | Wormy | Philosophical zombies? |
| 01:08.18 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 01:08.20 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: While I personally doubt the possibility of such an event that's a silly question imo |
| 01:08.38 | DrodoEmpire | It could happen; Just because it hasn't doesn't mean it can't by any small chance |
| 01:08.39 | Cuttlefish | I don't like stupid human plots. That's the reason why I hated the Q plot in star trek. Like, humans are warmongers and idiots, despite living right next to the flipping borg and klingons |
| 01:08.47 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:08.49 | Hachiman | Monet: If we're so smart, rational and focused on progress how come we saw WWI and II? And every other conflict before it |
| 01:08.51 | DrodoEmpire | I find them whiney |
| 01:08.53 | Wormy | Monet is right to question the cranky attitude however |
| 01:09.21 | DrodoEmpire | Just because we haven't (and probably won't) see our star die, doesn't mean it won't happen |
| 01:09.55 | Knight_Alien | Monet , Humans are ignorant , genociding monsters who kill or many stupid things but we still are passionate and loving. |
| 01:10.06 | Knight_Alien | *over* |
| 01:10.07 | DrodoEmpire | We're a paradox is what we are |
| 01:10.23 | Cuttlefish | Think of those most peaceful race in sci-fi. In real life, even they would have had quite a few wars and stupid mistakes. |
| 01:10.45 | Knight_Alien | DrodoEmpire how is that? |
| 01:10.49 | Wormy | I don't like pessimism about the future of human race in general. But nor do I like utopian optimism. Nom we need to study a theory of failure, know that problems are inevtablem but are soluble and that we are not infallible |
| 01:10.57 | Monet | No but we've been at the stage where we can commit MAD for over 80 years. If we're as aggressive, intolerant and loggerheaded towards each other as some science fiction states we'd all be in WWIII by now. |
| 01:11.02 | DrodoEmpire | We're able to do great things, make art, feel love and achieve great heights but we can also make war, destruction, rape, and pillage |
| 01:11.13 | DrodoEmpire | We can be contradictory |
| 01:11.18 | Hachiman | "Blindsight" has this thing where it asks you to imagine things from the perspectives of the human characters due to the variety of their augmentations and past experiences (they've ALL done horrendous things since most are ex-cons) and it's quite interesting to see how these people hold different views to the same situation |
| 01:11.29 | Monet | Because for one no one would have tried so frikkin hard to avoid the COld War escalating |
| 01:11.53 | Hachiman | And then it asks you to view the entire story from the perspective of the "philosophical zombies" that are the aliens who do not possess conscience or identity |
| 01:12.02 | DrodoEmpire | That's not necessarily good nature shining through; That's mutual fear of the consequences |
| 01:12.11 | Monet | We came pretty bloody close to WWIII during that time, including but nto limited to accidental launches. |
| 01:12.20 | Knight_Alien | Overall what I am saying is Humans have made terrible mistakes and they are still paying for it but we still can and might become a great people. |
| 01:12.36 | Monet | Yeah, we were *smart* enough to realise that the COld War escalating would have been bad for everyone. |
| 01:12.44 | Cuttlefish | If anything, aliens without those feelings would have no will to live outside of basic animal instincts. |
| 01:13.06 | Hachiman | Cuttlefish: Except their own promotion as a race, the fact that they have a better chance of survival |
| 01:13.12 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Well fair enough, yeah. If we where so idiotic to just let it escalate I don't think we would have invented the wheel |
| 01:13.21 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 01:13.33 | Knight_Alien | Our Art and Cultures express us and personally all of this stuff will not kill Humanity it will noly make it stronger and smarter. |
| 01:13.34 | Wormy | In a way I think humans are pretty special. Not in non-Copernican way but in the knowledge-based view of reality, this place, and not others are generating such wealth of knowledge, and more and more faithfully. No bological adaption has evolved radio waves or space travel. |
| 01:13.43 | Hachiman | They don't *need* a will to live because it doesn't benefit them |
| 01:13.52 | Cuttlefish | But how? I don't see how advancement is possible when they have the creativity of an earthworm. |
| 01:13.58 | Monet | Hachiman: ...what? |
| 01:14.16 | Wormy | Yeah creativity is the thing that lets one far exceed biological limits |
| 01:14.44 | Cuttlefish | Humans have all this technology because we want to make our lives easier. |
| 01:14.51 | DrodoEmpire | I wonder if it would be interesting to have the Drodo have a distinctive battle cry. |
| 01:14.56 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:15.02 | Monet | I suppose this may be the point of the book but...I am having touble understanding how something not aware of its own self is capable of pursuing a project to better everyone around it. Ants *may* do it but non-queen variants are called drones for a reason. |
| 01:15.03 | DrodoEmpire | Something like the Rebel Yell |
| 01:15.16 | Knight_Alien | Drodo XD |
| 01:15.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hm? |
| 01:15.32 | Wormy | I suppose these aliens might have an analog to creativity, just not quite the individualistic way we do it |
| 01:15.36 | Knight_Alien | That was very random. :D |
| 01:15.50 | DrodoEmpire | Maybe so |
| 01:15.51 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:16.03 | DrodoEmpire | Just wanted to say my own thing I guess |
| 01:16.18 | Hachiman | The book isn't perfect no but it implies that these aliens have had no war or conflicts of identities because they *can't* identify; like how ants build nests and colonies and such and expand, they build starships and do the same |
| 01:16.38 | Cuttlefish | Philosophy is going to be very big once we meet extraterrestrial life. |
| 01:16.43 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, a battle cry a little like the rebel yell to demoralize opponents; Probably would only seriously be used by the infantry and cavalry |
| 01:16.44 | Wormy | So there could well be mind at a higher order of complexity |
| 01:17.04 | Wormy | Actually, that is where I'm going with my story Endosymbiosis |
| 01:17.11 | Knight_Alien | DrodoEmpire a Eldarisian unit has a battle cry I believe. |
| 01:17.14 | Monet | Hachiman: Ant queens can sill fight each other for diminance |
| 01:17.35 | Cuttlefish | Unless the queen of that kind of alien ant colony had the ability to ask a question and a desire to know the answer, I don't consider that race sapient. |
| 01:17.46 | Hachiman | Wormy: Probably but it's never explored, they are treated through and through as "philosophical zombies"; they can solve problems and the likes but they can't go beyond that, they struggle with, say, linguistics |
| 01:17.47 | DrodoEmpire | That said its still feasible; German soldiers during WWII would often remark about how terrifying the Russians' low, mournful battlecry was even on such a "modern" battlefield of tanks and warplanes |
| 01:18.18 | Cuttlefish | Saying that race is sapient is like saying that my computer is sapient |
| 01:18.31 | Cuttlefish | The ability to solve problems is not good enough |
| 01:18.32 | Hachiman | They're not sapient, that's the point |
| 01:18.36 | DrodoEmpire | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZ1M3iN-UE#t=250 - Rebel Yell; Up to about 4:30 |
| 01:18.50 | Wormy | The wild galactic biosphere evolved from an advanced galactic empire, of which reason and consciousness decayed, while leaving the autonomy intact, which evolved. Though its possible the minds continued to evolve culturally, but at some more emergent level |
| 01:19.01 | Hachiman | But they book shows that *sapience* isn't needed to be a starfaring, technologically powerful civilization |
| 01:19.26 | Monet | Well spaience is the ability to reason. |
| 01:19.46 | Cuttlefish | I can believe that, but they could never make their own technology without assistance. |
| 01:20.01 | Wormy | Remember that complex tasks do not always involve being conscious of them. |
| 01:20.43 | Monet | By the sunds of it these aliens established a spacefaring civilisation because they realised they had to; most territorial animals don't move their terriitory unless something about that region makes it difficult for them to survive, such as a lack of food. |
| 01:20.55 | Wormy | Furthermore, evolution never required a guiding intelligence. Perhapos these aliens evolved like my galactic biosphere |
| 01:21.22 | Wormy | It probably can't expand its repotoire without creartivity however |
| 01:21.26 | Wormy | BUT |
| 01:21.38 | Wormy | Its already at the level of space travel |
| 01:23.06 | Wormy | In GEB, there was this dialogue with ant colonies. The ant colony at the level of ants was communistic, but beyond the signal and symbolic levels, emerged the character Aunt Hillary, who was a Libertarian |
| 01:23.30 | Wormy | Its also possible these aliens work like that |
| 01:23.34 | Cuttlefish | Fair point. quick question, did the nanohorde have any sort of sapience or did they just eat everything mindlessly? |
| 01:23.56 | Wormy | Pretty mindless at the level of inidivual nanites |
| 01:24.11 | Wormy | Its possibly they had emergent properties |
| 01:24.27 | DrodoEmpire | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10614288_974510945909468_7522931697499608987_n.jpg?oh=b90a8d91e276991bdedcbb6ac35262ad&oe=549A23B9&__gda__=1419924325_a2346979b9d7f9eed5c99afa8ae157e9 |
| 01:25.00 | Cuttlefish | I actually once read a story where a flock of birds formed a collective consciousness, where each bird is a mindlesss animal, but as a whole, flocks form individuals. |
| 01:25.06 | Wormy | deytookerejerbs |
| 01:25.33 | Wormy | Star Maker by any chancer? |
| 01:25.35 | Knight_Alien | XD |
| 01:25.37 | Cuttlefish | First they kill our soldiers, now they ruin the economy. |
| 01:25.53 | Knight_Alien | Those Aliens are stealing our jobs! |
| 01:25.58 | Cuttlefish | I forget the name. Possibly. |
| 01:26.06 | Wormy | No it was the bird commies |
| 01:26.15 | Hachiman | Aye, tool-building isn't a sign of actual intelligence, since monkeys and ants, to my knowledge, haven't developed the intellectual capacity to farm or harvest or establish religions or cultural identities |
| 01:26.18 | Hachiman | Say an animal's primary food source was a nut with a very hard outer shell, it would find a rock to bash the shell open but it probably wouldn't expand on it unless their food became tougher to access |
| 01:27.16 | Wormy | I agree with Hachi on this. Tool use alone is not a criterion (when you realise Chimps and their ancestors have been using the same methods for millions of years). But creativity is |
| 01:27.29 | Cuttlefish | I do apes that toolmaking doesn't make apes sapient. Sorry Goodall, better luck next time. |
| 01:27.35 | Wormy | Even in human history, there was hardly any chanfe |
| 01:27.47 | Wormy | *change |
| 01:27.51 | Cuttlefish | *Think |
| 01:28.18 | Monet | I'd rather say that tool-using is not a criterion for spaience but is an example of intelligence since the animal has worked out that a rock or other hard surface can be used ot bash a nut open. |
| 01:28.44 | Hachiman | Well, yeah, it isn't viable for sapience |
| 01:29.02 | Monet | We might need to indicate that spaience is not the same as intelligence. |
| 01:29.08 | Monet | sapience* |
| 01:29.14 | Knight_Alien | Ya. |
| 01:29.32 | Wormy | People also look at old cultures like Easter Island give them more credit than their creations are worth. The philosopher Jacob Bronowski asked the question why all the heads looked alike, and why the islanders couldn't save themselves. |
| 01:29.33 | Cuttlefish | I think the best criteria would be the ability to ask a question. Apes have learned sign language and responded to questions, but they have never asked any themselves. |
| 01:30.00 | Hachiman | The aliens in "Blindsight" simply build and use starships as places to live like how ants establish colonies; they do these things but that doesn't mean they take pride or pleasure or strife in their work, they do it because they have to and it's their best bet for survival |
| 01:30.06 | Wormy | He argued they looked alike and that meant it was repetition, not a sign of art |
| 01:30.30 | Wormy | That the islands sustained them too well, and so did their culture stagnate them |
| 01:30.45 | Monet | They cut all the trees down to move bigger and more heads. |
| 01:30.49 | Wormy | Other Pacific cultures had trade and like |
| 01:30.50 | Wormy | Yes |
| 01:31.04 | Hachiman | It's shown in the book that the aliens have trouble with linguistics posed by the humans and even then just because they *know* the words doesn't mean they *understand* them really |
| 01:31.06 | Wormy | And the much older civilisation that built Stone Henge was far more advanced |
| 01:31.16 | Monet | The culture is probably an example of how the idea of infinite resources is an impossibility. |
| 01:31.31 | Wormy | In fact the natives of Britain chopped down the old forest almost completekly, but survived |
| 01:31.56 | Cuttlefish | I like the theoretical aspects of this, but putting this in a story without plot holes must be really hard. |
| 01:31.59 | Wormy | Well in the knowledge based view, it is resources that are plentiful, but knowledge that is scarce |
| 01:32.35 | Hachiman | Aye the story isn't perfect but it's an interesting proposition |
| 01:32.56 | Hachiman | The author was kind enough to put the entire thing on a website for others to read since he didn't feel it was right that people had to buy it |
| 01:33.00 | Wormy | You could build a cube in intergalactic space (cubic light year), fuse all the hydrogen to make a space stationand provide energy for scientists to learn as much as we do. Resources are everywhere. |
| 01:33.11 | Monet | I'd say "unintelligent" is a bad word to use. |
| 01:33.22 | Wormy | The know-how is different |
| 01:33.36 | Monet | If they were "unintelligent" would they have worked out how to build starships in the first place? |
| 01:33.43 | Wormy | It is not impossible to build such a station if you knew how |
| 01:33.59 | Hachiman | Well I meant "not sapient" rather than "unintelligent" |
| 01:34.08 | Monet | Hachiman: I knwo that now. |
| 01:34.25 | Monet | This is one of the limitation of language. |
| 01:34.52 | Wormy | As I suggested, its possible that either the aliens are not the level of symbolic meaning (and are part of a swarm), or that they lost their sentience but still act unconsciously. |
| 01:34.53 | Knight_Alien | So guys any new Fictioning? |
| 01:35.13 | Monet | I learned a few years ago that what you want to say can never always be expressed without corruption through interpretation. |
| 01:35.22 | Hachiman | Wormy: If you want I can give you a link to the story |
| 01:35.53 | Wormy | Stephen Baxter had a story about a generational starship, which over centuries, its people lost their ability to think, but still operated the ship through the means of sexual selection. |
| 01:36.11 | Wormy | I'd like to read it |
| 01:36.22 | Cuttlefish | Please do, I'd like to read it aswell |
| 01:36.31 | Cuttlefish | It's a cool concept |
| 01:36.49 | Hachiman | http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm |
| 01:37.41 | Wormy | thanks |
| 01:37.51 | Monet | I think I might retcon the Imperium's provincial countil into being made up of alien dignitaries rather than Draconis representatives. |
| 01:37.56 | Monet | council* |
| 01:38.52 | Monet | Although representatives can still apply for Draconid advisors to help them. |
| 01:39.37 | Monet | It can be a bit of a deal-breaker for prospective provinces when the only way you can make a say is though an alien. |
| 01:39.44 | Wormy | Sorry if I get stronbly opinioned sometimes |
| 01:40.06 | Hachiman | It's fine, I do it all the time |
| 01:40.22 | Wormy | I do listen to people, I just can't wait to add epistemology to everything |
| 01:41.53 | Wormy | This book started my interest http://www.scaruffi.com/mind/deutsch2.html |
| 01:43.19 | Monet | I'd say having a Kicath province probably helped a -lot- with coming to decide on the retcon. |
| 01:45.32 | Cuttlefish | Any ideas for the shellious? I'm still upset by what can and cannot be reset once I get around to starting again |
| 01:45.44 | Wormy | "Deutsch views the technology of virtual reality as an expression of the most important power of computers: to simulate our world. He formulates the "Turing principle": it is possible to build a virtual-reality system that can simulate any environment which can exist in nature. Virtual reality is a "physical embodiment of theories about an environment". So defined, virtual reality is an important property of nature: it is life itse |
| 01:46.01 | Wormy | Genes embody knowledge about their econological niche. An organism is merely the immediate environment which copies the replicators (the organism's genes). The genes, on the other hand, represent the survival of knowledge, knowledge about the environment. An organism is a virtual-reality rendering of the genes. Therefore, living processes and virtual-reality rendering are the same kind of process. Thus virtual reality is not only a |
| 01:46.05 | Cuttlefish | The whole 9000+ planets thing still bothers me |
| 01:46.28 | Knight_Alien | Shellious is the EMpire that is absored by the Imperium right now correct Cuttlefish? |
| 01:46.29 | Wormy | property of nature, the very essence of life itself. " |
| 01:46.46 | Wormy | Think about that long enough, it is a shot of awe |
| 01:46.59 | Cuttlefish | Knight_Alien: yup |
| 01:47.13 | Knight_Alien | Bunsen is their HOmeland? |
| 01:47.24 | DrodoEmpire | "One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know." |
| 01:47.29 | Monet | Cuttlefish: I was thinking that Valius could be Edoshai's advisor rather than his rep on the provincial council |
| 01:47.35 | Cuttlefish | No, they just moved thier when the universe got blown up by the xhodocto |
| 01:48.45 | Knight_Alien | I am not far from them for I have the Bunsen as the Home land for the Eldarisian's and Milky way Colonies. |
| 01:49.27 | Knight_Alien | Are you planing on indeoendence from your Imperium masters >:}. |
| 01:49.51 | Wormy | I have a friend who is moving onto the streert next to me, and he's getting Destiny |
| 01:50.04 | Wormy | I shall get to play it hopefully |
| 01:50.21 | Monet | General rules for Pax Draconica are that a government can keep its structure, its customs, culture and navy and can colonise at their own pace so long as they accept the judgement of the Grand Senate as mandate,integrate their law enforcement into the Agency of Domestic Security and keep the Imperium's colony records up-todate. |
| 01:50.28 | Wormy | has no xbone |
| 01:50.30 | Knight_Alien | Is Destiny as good as they Hype it up to be? |
| 01:50.37 | Wormy | Unknowable |
| 01:51.11 | Wormy | Hyped? Unquestionable |
| 01:51.11 | Cuttlefish | I do think that would work, monet. Though I think we should think about wether or not edoshai is on the council. I'm working more towards constitutional monarchy where the government decisions are also done more with the parliament of Shellis and the dplomatic leaders in addition to unfairly throwned noble councils |
| 01:51.24 | Knight_Alien | I am more of a Pc person but I do have a Xbox 360 and Ps2 , Ps1 and a few others. |
| 01:51.42 | Wormy | I'm a PC gamer too, but I have a PS2 |
| 01:51.59 | Wormy | In fact my PC is more powerful than a PS4 and Xbox 1 put together |
| 01:52.14 | Knight_Alien | Wow. |
| 01:52.15 | Wormy | I made sure of it when I had it assembled |
| 01:52.26 | Monet | Cuttlefish: Rule of theumb for the Provincial Council rep is they must convey their nation's interests ot the Grand Senate. |
| 01:52.39 | Wormy | Though not for gaming purposes |
| 01:53.18 | Wormy | I need raw power for processing and rendering simulations, animations etc. |
| 01:53.38 | Cuttlefish | Is it possible for there to be multiple representatives, like leaders from each of the major clans and houses on shellis? |
| 01:54.26 | Monet | A few representatives is fine. |
| 01:55.08 | Cuttlefish | I imagine clan Bruni would keep with it's political tinkering and send someone |
| 01:55.24 | Monet | Although keep the number manageable. There are hundreds of other provinces on that council. |
| 01:55.50 | Monet | And several of them may have more than one rep. |
| 01:55.51 | Cuttlefish | I'l think Edoshai+well known noble+politician |
| 01:56.33 | Monet | How many major shellis clans are there? |
| 01:57.20 | Cuttlefish | 6 or 7, depends on how much the people like them. |
| 01:58.22 | Monet | I'd say any group larger than five reps might get a little unwieldy withi nthe provincial council. |
| 01:59.23 | Cuttlefish | I think 3 or 4 would be the maximum. Allot of them only care about their subsections of the imperium, and could care less about the draconis so long as they get the money from the main government |
| 01:59.54 | Monet | Luckily thanks to the Exonet these reps can discuss politics fro mtheir own offices and estates. |
| 02:00.40 | Monet | Rather than having to travel to Alcanti whenever a meeting is called t oorder, which would only add to the already immense volume of orbital traffic over the planet |
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| 02:01.57 | Cuttlefish | I imagine even Edoshai would hate travelling to Alcanti |
| 02:03.04 | Monet | Is it the distance or the symbolic tones of having to visit the homeworld of who are technically his overseers? |
| 02:03.09 | Cuttlefish | I know we already discussed this, but I do think we should retcon the hundred thousand colonies the shellious had to some other protectorates. I don't think the Shellious would share the "expand, thrive, and colonize" attitude |
| 02:04.24 | Cuttlefish | Mostly the distance, but the overseer nervousness might come in to play if the draconis get tooo controversal |
| 02:06.25 | Monet | I guess depending on who you are Alcanti is either one of the most awe-inspiring planets in the galaxy or a galactic reminder of who the masters of the Imperium are. |
| 02:07.14 | Monet | So its either beautiful or scarier than an unlit New York city block. |
| 02:07.21 | Cuttlefish | Or maybe he just misses nature. Parks aren't as fun with spaceships overhead. |
| 02:07.43 | Monet | Well Alcanti does have some big parks with holographic sky. |
| 02:09.52 | Monet | Cuttlefish: Anyway I'm going would you mind filling this in whenever you get the chance? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Provinces#Shellious_Imperium |
| 02:10.18 | Cuttlefish | Oh sure |
| 02:10.22 | Cuttlefish | bye then |
| 02:11.09 | Wormy | https://www.facebook.com/IWishIWasAsCoolAsUAre/photos/a.515536925124052.124148.124436820900733/829207587090316/?type=1 |
| 02:11.59 | Monet | If you need ideas what to write, feel free to take inspiration from the other sections. |
| 02:12.21 | Monet | One thing I want to lay down with this page is the cultural and political diversity in the Imperium |
| 02:12.30 | Wormy | praying to the world's largest liqorice allsort http://www.ekhartyoga.com/blog/the-niyamas---bringing-saucha-into-your-life |
| 02:14.09 | Monet | Right then. GOodnight. |
| 02:15.19 | Knight_Alien | Anyone have anyhting new? |
| 02:16.24 | Wormy | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189114 |
| 02:16.45 | Wormy | ceck out my bottom comment |
| 02:16.53 | Wormy | I added more stuff the other day |
| 02:17.56 | Knight_Alien | Ah , Excellent |
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| 02:19.40 | Vincent30100 | Hey! |
| 02:19.54 | Wormy | gi |
| 02:19.56 | Wormy | hi |
| 02:20.03 | Wormy | Going now, bye |
| 02:20.28 | Knight_Alien | Bye |
| 02:20.33 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 02:21.29 | Knight_Alien | Vincent anyhting new? |
| 02:23.07 | Vincent30100 | No |
| 02:23.31 | Vincent30100 | I'm planning the next part of the Drenmarr Invasion |
| 02:24.33 | Knight_Alien | Ah. |
| 02:32.29 | Knight_Alien | Vincent are you a newer user or a older one? |
| 02:39.21 | Vincent30100 | nerwer |
| 02:41.16 | Knight_Alien | Few months? |
| 02:45.42 | Knight_Alien | If so I am also new. |
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| 10:43.52 | Liquid_Ink | ..? |
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| 11:36.46 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
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| 11:56.37 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:57.45 | Monet | http://www.pcgamer.com/uk/2014/09/08/sims-4-developer-warns-there-wont-be-a-sims-5-if-this-one-doesnt-sell/ brace for incoming shitstorm. |
| 11:58.49 | Monet | I'll check tomorrow to see how this affects today's EA stock value |
| 11:59.25 | Monet | SInce, as others have put, this is potentially EA *threatening* peopl to buy their game. |
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| 12:02.40 | Vincent20100 | lol |
| 12:02.49 | Vincent20100 | Gotta love EA |
| 12:03.21 | Monet | I've also learned this version of the Sims has no cars. |
| 12:03.28 | Liquid_Ink | wut |
| 12:05.12 | Monet | http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Car "Cars appear in The Sims 4 as an ambient decoration only. Occasionally, cars will drive by the street. Sims cannot own a car nor can they drive one. There are no means of transportation in The Sims 4, as Sims are capable of traveling to any areas on foot, transitioned by loading screens. " |
| 12:05.35 | Liquid_Ink | That's a step backward. |
| 12:06.20 | Monet | So no open world, no toddlers, no pools and now there are no cars....Is this supposed to be a shinier version of the original Sims or something? |
| 12:09.30 | AdmiralPanda | prettymuch |
| 12:09.42 | AdmiralPanda | and honestly, I don't take that as a negative |
| 12:09.47 | Liquid_Ink | But they had pools in the original Sims |
| 12:10.15 | Monet | SIms 1 was a good game, agreed. |
| 12:10.15 | Liquid_Ink | For use a moats. |
| 12:10.16 | AdmiralPanda | the devs aren't sure which system they want to go with, so they're making an experiment- this opinion isn't mine btw, I talked with a couple of dev friends of mine |
| 12:10.29 | AdmiralPanda | the problem is, the Sims is HUGE |
| 12:10.35 | Liquid_Ink | Oh great, the scrolling's messed up. |
| 12:10.39 | AdmiralPanda | any sort of experiment or test they want to make has to be made on a large scale |
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| 12:11.02 | Hachiman | Hai |
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| 12:11.09 | AdmiralPanda | hai buniman |
| 12:11.10 | Hachiman | OluapWorker: U FINISH PAEG |
| 12:11.14 | Monet | And now they're threatening to cancel the franchise if S4 falls short of their expectations |
| 12:11.24 | OluapWorker | Hachiman: u finish paeg |
| 12:11.36 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: This is EA marketing we're talking about |
| 12:11.38 | Hachiman | hao bout ye fuk off ye cunt |
| 12:11.42 | OluapWorker | and hai |
| 12:11.50 | Hachiman | hai <3 |
| 12:12.18 | OluapWorker | Still go edit pls |
| 12:12.23 | Hachiman | doin dis |
| 12:12.53 | AdmiralPanda | btw guys, I don't think I'm going to be physically capable of both RPing and D&D |
| 12:13.22 | AdmiralPanda | it sucks, but I can't go two nights without sleep when I have things to do during the week |
| 12:13.32 | OluapWorker | Shit |
| 12:14.00 | Hachiman | Remove eyelids -> Hook up on a viagra supplier -> ??? -> Profit |
| 12:14.46 | OluapWorker | I hate my lack of free time |
| 12:15.03 | OluapWorker | If I had no work the vampire war would probably be over by now |
| 12:16.23 | Hachiman | Damn this does throw a cog in the works |
| 12:16.42 | Hachiman | I'd be willing to RP/D&D at night but Imp wouldn't be available |
| 12:20.11 | OluapWorker | Well, this sucks |
| 12:20.30 | Wormy | I've been put off Sims 4. I will get Sims 3 or Sims 5 if it comes out |
| 12:20.57 | Wormy | Not spending a lotof money on some experiment |
| 12:21.53 | Wormy | What is new in Sims 4, exactly? |
| 12:21.54 | Vincent20100 | So guys |
| 12:21.58 | Vincent20100 | How you doing? |
| 12:22.02 | Wormy | It sounds like Sims 3 lite |
| 12:22.15 | Vincent20100 | The name WOrm, the name... And the price of course. |
| 12:22.15 | Monet | I remember back in secondary school a friend of mine joked that she got a copy of Sims 4 in Japan (this was a while before Sims 3 came out) and said it had stuff like being able to control your sim at work or school. |
| 12:22.43 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: It's more like Sims 1 Part 2 |
| 12:22.48 | AdmiralPanda | HD remake |
| 12:23.24 | AdmiralPanda | the main reason i find Sims 3 fun is being Alejandro, the world's most flamboyantly homosexual spanish secret agent |
| 12:25.03 | Wormy | lol |
| 12:25.06 | AdmiralPanda | btw, have any of you guys seen the game Robocraft? |
| 12:25.17 | Wormy | nope |
| 12:25.31 | Monet | I have. |
| 12:25.39 | Monet | I have a couple of friends who play it too |
| 12:25.44 | AdmiralPanda | it's a neat little third-person shooter where you build a robot minecraft style and go murder people and capture shiny things |
| 12:26.09 | AdmiralPanda | I've been having a lot of fun with it, apart from dealing with balloon snipers |
| 12:35.59 | Monet | YEah reading up on the SIms 4 there's another change: "worlds", which are the size of a neighbourhood from S3 by the sounsd of it, are split into multiple "neighbourhoods" areound a park neighbourhood. |
| 12:36.18 | Monet | Both of the shipped worlds have 16 residential lots. |
| 12:36.39 | Monet | Sixteen... |
| 12:37.38 | Monet | I like how I'm basically paying £60 for less game. |
| 12:39.14 | Hachiman | This honestly sounds like unnecessary whining |
| 12:39.33 | Hachiman | Yes there is less space to do stuff but that probably means other features are more refined |
| 12:39.49 | Hachiman | And Sims are apparently far more complex and automatic than they were before |
| 12:40.22 | Monet | Okay maybe it is. |
| 12:40.56 | Hachiman | It may not be as large or as good a game as Sims 3 but that doesn't automatically make it terrible |
| 12:41.04 | Monet | One of my concerns is that as far as current game price tags go, this one's pretty expensive. |
| 12:41.10 | Hachiman | Plus there's bound to be DLC for it in the near future |
| 12:41.27 | Hachiman | Well then wait for it to lower before buying, easy |
| 12:42.17 | Monet | I've seen release-day games made by triple-A developers selling for £45. |
| 12:42.30 | Monet | £50 at a stretch. |
| 12:42.54 | Hachiman | It's honestly not good when an audience is placing the price of the game as a higher priority than the game itself |
| 12:44.27 | Monet | A lot of people do want value for money these days. |
| 12:46.04 | Monet | Especially in a climate where the average increase in wages has failed to keep up with the increase in product prices. |
| 12:50.51 | OluapWorker | I need a top quote for the Malcaeum page so if anyone has any suggestions, it'd be useful |
| 12:51.31 | Hachiman | I'll try and come up with one |
| 12:57.06 | Hachiman | "It would be wrong to define these creatures as animals. While animals can be hostile and predatory, they cannot be... hateful. Scornful. Animals fear certain people, but they do not '''hate''' them like these do. And that is what makes these fascinating, if dangerous, creatures so distressing; they are not animals, no, yet the only thing they know and will ever know is spite." |
| 12:58.05 | OluapWorker | Thank you |
| 12:58.59 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Malcaeum it's done |
| 13:00.10 | Hachiman | "Shu'rahkavarh, most known as the Skewer" |
| 13:00.13 | Hachiman | Nice name that |
| 13:03.35 | Vincent20100 | Nice job Oulap |
| 13:04.05 | Hachiman | Added a quote |
| 13:05.44 | OluapWorker | thanks |
| 13:10.13 | Monet | Thinking about it, I think I've found a way to understand Black Holes without seeing such as scary or daunting |
| 13:11.11 | Hachiman | I like how Malcaeum swords can break through precursor-type materials and such |
| 13:11.18 | Hachiman | Makes them seema whole lot more powerful and scary |
| 13:14.38 | OluapWorker | they were created to fight precursors |
| 13:15.28 | Hachiman | True, http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/35927/20140905/elder-scrolls-6-confirmed.htm Might interest some of you |
| 13:15.37 | Hachiman | Whoops sent two messages at once hur |
| 13:15.59 | Hachiman | True, it would make sense for Malcaeum to have uberpowerful swords if they were fighting precursors before now |
| 13:17.31 | OluapWorker | YOU PICKED A BAD TIME TO GET LOST, FRIEND |
| 13:17.38 | Wormy | Anita Sarkeesian needs this advise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m9E9Ewhack&list=FLHnyfMqiRRG1u-2MsSQLbXA |
| 13:17.43 | Monet | Hachiman: Add to that the possibility that there are modern powers in the Wikiverse that have access to unbreakable materials by today's standards and then assume that these precursor-type materials might be unbreakable by *their* standards. |
| 13:17.48 | OluapWorker | As long as they make the game less boring, I'm all up for a new Elder Scrolls |
| 13:18.02 | Wormy | The media treat her like a damsel in distress at the moment |
| 13:18.44 | Hachiman | Aye I hope TES:VI isn't gonna be as boring as Skyrim |
| 13:19.34 | Monet | Although as Panda pointed out, for a long time bladed weapons didn't have to cut though armour to be effective. |
| 13:20.39 | AdmiralPanda | bladed weapons almost never had to cut through armour to be effective |
| 13:20.51 | Monet | But it was probably a bonus |
| 13:21.01 | AdmiralPanda | well yeah, but a hard to get one |
| 13:21.15 | Hachiman | Then how were bladed weapons effective if they couldn't cut your enemy's armour? |
| 13:21.25 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: by striking the weak points |
| 13:21.31 | AdmiralPanda | stab the joints, slash hinges |
| 13:21.31 | Hachiman | Right makes sense |
| 13:22.06 | Monet | IIRC medieval plate armour was mostly designed so the blade would slide off the armour. |
| 13:22.27 | AdmiralPanda | it was mostly designed to intercept thrusts actually, it was just that a sword couldn't cut that much metal |
| 13:23.03 | Monet | By the same principle that the point would hit but slide off? |
| 13:23.27 | Monet | Ince I recall that's why plate cuirasses have that wedge-shaped look to their depth profiles. |
| 13:25.24 | Monet | Although I guess Malcaeum blades are very effective at cutting into vehicle armour, which often *is* designed to absorb force impact. |
| 13:25.59 | Wormy | Hachi@ And by Bethesda this time |
| 13:27.50 | Monet | I think theoretically if you fired a large enough rotaing buzzsaw fast enough at a tank the saw would either wedge itself into the tank (and into the cabin) or cut the thing in half |
| 13:28.02 | Wormy | I'd love exploring the Black Marsh |
| 13:28.24 | Hachiman | Aye, Black Marsh has talking, walking trees |
| 13:29.12 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: If you shot it it'd bounce right off |
| 13:29.17 | Wormy | And Hammerfell, the Redguard's home sounds interesting |
| 13:30.49 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Okay thats' that theory debunked. |
| 13:31.16 | Monet | I was going to say that firing swords out of cannons or down rails probably isn't the best weapon ever. |
| 13:31.50 | Vincent20100 | lol |
| 13:31.55 | Vincent20100 | It's rainning blades! |
| 13:31.58 | Vincent20100 | Alleluyah! |
| 13:31.59 | AdmiralPanda | it's really not, the issue with the buzz saw is you need something constantly pushing it |
| 13:32.23 | AdmiralPanda | and a sword you need the blade alignment to be perfect or it won't have a hope of cutting |
| 13:34.24 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 13:36.47 | Monet | Bullets have the advantage of being the same shape no matter the vertical mirror angle |
| 13:37.18 | Monet | Unlike a blade which has much less radial symmetry to it. |
| 13:40.45 | Wormy | O_O http://imgur.com/gallery/PMRqy0T |
| 13:42.45 | Wormy | http://imgur.com/gallery/bTaDv http://i.imgur.com/Wvci5O1.jpg |
| 13:44.43 | Monet | This might be a presumption but I feel confident that any aliens we meet will use the "bullet shape" for terrestrial projectiles unless they coem from somewhere where theprinciples of fluid dynamics are vastly different. |
| 13:45.07 | Wormy | I love these http://imgur.com/gallery/MIyPw |
| 13:47.47 | AdmiralPanda | they probably will |
| 13:48.17 | Monet | Its ince to think that aliens might think very idfferently to us, but that doesn't mean their scientific conclusion would be so alien to be incompatable to our own. |
| 13:48.32 | Monet | conclusions* |
| 13:48.55 | Wormy | Man Dives into an Exploding Volcano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAdFvTo9874#t=132 |
| 13:50.04 | Monet | Otherwise the physical constants wouldn't be, well, constants. |
| 13:59.00 | Monet | Also I can see the fictionverse races using stuff like this more widely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour |
| 14:02.09 | Monet | For instance an explosive shot penetrates a layer of armour, gets caught in a gel or foam and absorbes the kinetic energy, converting it into an expansive raction. |
| 14:04.39 | Vincent20100 | Reflective armor would be cool too |
| 14:04.54 | Vincent20100 | Why stop a shot, when you could reflect it. |
| 14:05.20 | Monet | Bullets don't wuite work that way... |
| 14:05.40 | Monet | It works with lasers but bullets are too big. |
| 14:05.46 | Vincent20100 | Well, you could be surprises. |
| 14:05.55 | Vincent20100 | Armor were kinda conceived that way |
| 14:06.10 | Vincent20100 | The angles of the hull were made to deflect bullets |
| 14:06.32 | Vincent20100 | Their again, it isn't perfect. |
| 14:06.35 | Hachiman | There's a considerable difference between deflection and reflection |
| 14:06.37 | Vincent20100 | *there |
| 14:06.52 | Monet | Also most deflected bullets tend to lose a lot of momentum upon impact. |
| 14:07.00 | Vincent20100 | True |
| 14:07.24 | Hachiman | If it was possible to perfectly reflect bullets then ricochets wouldn't happen |
| 14:07.46 | Vincent20100 | Yah it's true |
| 14:09.41 | Monet | Hachiman: Not all momentum. |
| 14:09.48 | Monet | Wait...nvm |
| 14:10.23 | Monet | Actually a ricochet wouldn't happen if bullets were incapable of bouncing off hard surfaces. |
| 14:10.39 | Wormy_away | Any of you heard of electrified armour? |
| 14:10.51 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 14:11.15 | Wormy_away | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_armour#Electric_reactive_armour |
| 14:11.29 | Monet | Actually reactive armour gives me a wierd mental image of a section of armour plate swelling up after impact. |
| 14:12.11 | Wormy_away | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rxBifd0cY |
| 14:12.31 | Monet | Wormy_Away: I vaguely recall that the Enterprise NX-01 had some form of electrified armour. |
| 14:14.02 | Monet | Although now that I think about it...modern technology is probably reaching the point where in several cases a solid layer of material isn't enough to protect against impact. |
| 14:14.14 | Monet | isn't practical enough* |
| 14:14.28 | Monet | It might still be applicable to buildings but light vehicles and tanks is another matter. |
| 14:14.52 | Hachiman | I wonder how useful martial arts like wing chun, hung gar, muay thai, etc would be in the current Sporewikiverse era |
| 14:14.53 | Hachiman | People are becoming more dependant on armour that can withstand more and more destructive forces after all |
| 14:15.19 | AdmiralPanda | I had no wheels, and a guy still managed to miss me |
| 14:15.39 | AdmiralPanda | in the time it took his plasma cannons to recharge, I'd just shot him to pieces |
| 14:15.58 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: A true alumni of the Imperal Stormtrooper Academy |
| 14:16.11 | Vincent20100 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa_vuX5_oAk |
| 14:16.38 | Monet | Hachiman: Probably not very without some form of augmentation. |
| 14:16.50 | Monet | If you're facing fully-armoured soldiers |
| 14:17.28 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: I don't even know how it happened, he was within spraying range of my smg's and he missed |
| 14:17.46 | Monet | You might still be able to kick them about but they probably wouldn't feel anything. |
| 14:17.52 | Hachiman | See, I imagine supersoldiers like Agents get versed in complex martial arts like that for close encounters but then you can give the info to use those martial arts to your infantry like how it's done in the Matrix via neural rewiring |
| 14:18.30 | Hachiman | Then again I imagine the knowledge for those martial arts are more practical in the hands of assassins and supersoldiers anyway |
| 14:18.38 | Monet | Or if you're facing someone wearing armour equipped with acutators, you will NEED augmentation. |
| 14:19.33 | AdmiralPanda | I imagine mostly wrestling arts being employed |
| 14:19.47 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: Agreed. |
| 14:19.51 | AdmiralPanda | you're not going to break someone's arm, but put them on their back and disarm them and they're in trouble |
| 14:20.22 | Hachiman | Plus you can't apply the whole "attack weak points" thing on alien biologies if you have no knowledge of how they work |
| 14:20.49 | Monet | Hachiman: Same for any type of combat really. |
| 14:21.29 | Monet | You will always be at a disadvantage if you don't know an alien opponent's anatomy. |
| 14:22.19 | Hachiman | Although I guess that with humanoid aliens you can provide estimates on how their bodies work according to your own if you're also a humanoid |
| 14:22.25 | Hachiman | As in, brain resides in the head, etc |
| 14:22.41 | Monet | Fair enough. |
| 14:23.18 | Monet | I think I've indicated that a Draconis' thick necks and deep-set oesophagus make them resistant to constriction. |
| 14:23.29 | Monet | oesophagus/trachea |
| 14:24.39 | Vincent20100 | Guys, who control the Galactic core in the Milky Way? |
| 14:25.05 | Monet | The Civilisation I think |
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| 14:26.13 | Monet | ALso Draconis are resistant to crotch blows. |
| 14:26.17 | Monet | Hi |
| 14:26.27 | Vincent20100 | I see |
| 14:26.29 | Vincent20100 | I want it! |
| 14:26.39 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 14:27.20 | AdmiralPanda | the main advantage of a genital sheath (apart from cleanliness) is the nerve clusters aren't exposed |
| 14:27.54 | Monet | The testicles are a *very* sensetive area. |
| 14:28.00 | Monet | For obvious reasons. |
| 14:29.43 | Monet | Actually I wonder how (if its possible) one can hold a Draconis by twisting their arm behind their backs whe nthy have those wing membranes? |
| 14:29.52 | Hachiman | Hey Jo, we're just taljubf about ballsacks again |
| 14:29.57 | Hachiman | *talking |
| 14:30.15 | Monet | I suppose you could but it won't be as easy as it is with a human |
| 14:30.43 | Hachiman | Monet: Why hold their arm back when you can clip their wings? I imagine it may have a similar effect |
| 14:31.33 | Monet | Yeah. The wings and tail arrangement probablyprevent you from easily standing behind one *and* being withi nreach of its rms |
| 14:31.34 | Hachiman | Or hold their wings together near the base so they can't flap them, I imagine a Draconis is largely incapable of reaching out to scratch its back |
| 14:33.07 | Monet | A Draconis can reach to under the base of the neck but I gues if something they don't want is on their back they go all bucking bronco to get it off. |
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| 14:36.13 | Monet | Also trying to think if Draconis have shoulder blades |
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| 14:36.30 | Monet | Due ot the proximity of the shoulders and the wing joint |
| 14:37.42 | Cuttlefish_ | Hi, also they might. Quite a few dinosaurs had scapula bones. |
| 14:37.46 | Monet | I'm seeing a few anatomical dragons where there is a socket on the shoulder blade where the wing limb connetts. |
| 14:38.19 | Monet | Cuttlefish_: Most dinosaurs don't have wings righ next to their shoulders. |
| 14:39.47 | AdmiralPanda | This is one reason I've always preferred the midsection wing idea to the shoulder wing |
| 14:40.30 | Monet | Yeah I'm thinking of moving it down |
| 14:41.16 | Monet | another reason being because it makes shoulderplates easier to wear because the muscles that reach over the shoulders have more space |
| 14:42.33 | AdmiralPanda | actually if you had wings then shoulder plates would be designed differently |
| 14:42.52 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 14:44.38 | Monet | To us their shoulders would look more swollen for instance |
| 14:45.14 | AdmiralPanda | well I more meant that you'd have a section cut away so the wings could rotate |
| 14:45.34 | Monet | Yeah. |
| 14:45.34 | AdmiralPanda | my main problem with the shoulder wing idea is that the shoulders would get in the way of the wings flapping |
| 14:46.10 | Monet | I think I'll move the wings down then |
| 14:46.46 | Monet | Perhaps (if I extrapolate onto a human skeleton) roughly where our shoulder blades end? |
| 14:46.55 | AdmiralPanda | it's up to you, that's just my personal thoughts |
| 14:47.21 | Monet | I am making to make the Draconis look more scientifically plausable. |
| 14:47.42 | Monet | Hence why their torsos are closer to bird or horse torsos than huma ntorsos |
| 14:48.35 | Monet | Even Drallivians are supposed ot be fairly barrel-chested |
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| 14:50.08 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/224/4/2/new_draconis_concept_by_spacer176-d7uttoq.png aside from the wings, any thoughts? |
| 14:50.29 | Monet | And I might raise the tail position a little too |
| 14:50.37 | Monet | He looks like he has no arse at all |
| 14:52.27 | Monet | I have a book by one female creature artist who advises spending a good deal of time visualising a creater's skeleton and muscle profile during working out its anatomy. |
| 14:52.31 | Monet | creature's* |
| 15:00.14 | drom | Hello. |
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| 15:04.58 | drom | Hello to the Finn and the goose |
| 15:05.32 | AdmiralPanda | well, I've managed to slip into a neat role as a scout/spotter in Robocraft |
| 15:05.36 | Monet | Heh |
| 15:07.40 | AdmiralPanda | it's a little more entertaining than trying to be the first on the trigger with a swarm of plasma cannons |
| 15:08.22 | AdmiralPanda | the problem is not everyone is smart enough to make a concerted push where the scouts are in front, so half the time I end up not doing much at all |
| 15:10.17 | Monet | So is there nto much strategy in Robocraft? |
| 15:10.20 | AdmiralPanda | that and I'm so light that one good plasma shot will kill me |
| 15:10.26 | AdmiralPanda | there's strategy, people just don't use it |
| 15:10.47 | AdmiralPanda | when they do it's a beautiful sight |
| 15:10.50 | Monet | I have a friend who made one robot i nthe shape of an eight-spoke umbrella frame. |
| 15:12.36 | AdmiralPanda | the main annoying thing is that armour is practically worthless |
| 15:13.00 | AdmiralPanda | speed is the only reliable defence you have, and at my tech level I can't get the parts I need to make proper fliers |
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| 15:16.02 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1926807_668354249878435_857958806_n.jpg?oh=1a9b9489a0e4b1551d5958c4bcc65b69&oe=5490199C&__gda__=1418469453_fc5504f11f18416d4b766342a149c2e1 |
| 15:17.47 | AdmiralPanda | hur |
| 15:18.15 | AdmiralPanda | above all though, the biggest problem with robocraft is that dying cripples your end of game rewards |
| 15:18.15 | Monet | The truth is revealed! |
| 15:18.43 | AdmiralPanda | the last few games, I've only walked away with maybe 200 out of the 1000 credits I earned because I had to pay repair costs |
| 15:20.01 | drom | That's why I go turtle. |
| 15:20.31 | drom | Encase your robot in armor blocks, and then spam turrents ontop of it. |
| 15:20.45 | drom | The speed won't do difference no matter how many wheels you have got. |
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| 15:21.38 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 15:21.50 | OluapWorker | hi |
| 15:22.34 | AdmiralPanda | drom: problem is, no amount of encasing your bot in armour will protect you from a good plasma volley |
| 15:23.17 | drom | Aye. And those railgun snipers tho. |
| 15:23.18 | AdmiralPanda | if you're facing a guy with weapons from a couple of tech tiers ago then maybe, but since most people have plasma weapons capable of punching through the appropriate level of armour, you have no protection |
| 15:23.53 | drom | All you can do is hope that his shots miss. |
| 15:24.08 | AdmiralPanda | they really screwed up the armour system, even an appropriate tier SMG still does double the damage provided by the armour avialable |
| 15:24.52 | AdmiralPanda | T4 armour: 291 armour. Tier 4 plasma cannon: 2.7k damage |
| 15:27.42 | drom | bull |
| 15:27.50 | AdmiralPanda | those are the numbers |
| 15:27.53 | AdmiralPanda | straight from the game |
| 15:29.19 | Monet | That's a lot of power |
| 15:29.47 | AdmiralPanda | they're supposed to be an artillery weapon, but they do so much damage that they're the main weapon for everything |
| 15:31.19 | drom | Exaggerated question: It's a fast weapon? |
| 15:31.34 | drom | As in RoF |
| 15:31.57 | AdmiralPanda | it's not that fast, it can only fire once every couple of seconds, but that one shot is all you need when you typically have seven or more of them |
| 15:32.48 | AdmiralPanda | if you're far enough away and you see them coming you can usually dodge them, but point-blank range and you're dead |
| 15:33.03 | AdmiralPanda | electroshields can absorb a full plasma blast, but that's assuming the shot hits your shield and not the hull |
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| 15:48.25 | AdmiralPanda | on a completely unrelated note, I wish there were more people running role-play-centred D&D campaigns |
| 15:48.56 | AdmiralPanda | not even making a passive statement to Hachi or Oluap, just in general |
| 15:49.55 | Hachiman | Yeah well sorry |
| 15:51.30 | AdmiralPanda | This doesn't have to do with your campaigns, I just hopped on a local gaming group site and pretty much every game that wasn't a Pathfinder Society game was a dungeon crawl |
| 15:53.39 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1477607_611738928873301_1260916234_n.jpg?oh=e70f4031145b948dbcf49eabaec4f6a0&oe=548DB7AD&__gda__=1419133060_e3a9c683333ecd30e888d352501554b7 |
| 15:53.55 | AdmiralPanda | heh |
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| 15:58.07 | Imperios | Hello |
| 15:58.11 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 15:58.26 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
| 15:58.41 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: I'm quite used to combat grinds, so honestly I was really happy I got to RP as much as I did. |
| 15:58.56 | Imperios | What are you talking 'bout? |
| 15:59.07 | Hachiman | >Combat grind |
| 15:59.17 | Hachiman | Thanks, I tried putting RP into it |
| 15:59.44 | AdmiralPanda | Imperios: I went on a local board for people looking for D&D games, and practically everything was pure combat grind |
| 16:01.04 | Imperios | And Hachiman GMd? |
| 16:01.30 | AdmiralPanda | yeah, him and Oluap were alternating DMing, but Random isn't able to continue so that came to a stop |
| 16:02.01 | Vincent20100 | Imperios, you are russian?! |
| 16:02.20 | Imperios | Vincent20100: ...Yes? |
| 16:02.30 | Imperios | Yes I am, I'm from Saint-Petersburg |
| 16:02.35 | Vincent20100 | #me bows to Imperios... |
| 16:02.50 | Vincent20100 | Gotta love Leningrad... |
| 16:02.55 | Hachiman | First campaign I've ever ran, I put a lot of dedication into getting the encounters right and interesting, tried to make the enemies interesting, try to provide interesting situations -> Combat grind and "I didn't mind the session" |
| 16:03.15 | Imperios | Hachiman: Hey don't worry about that |
| 16:03.27 | AdmiralPanda | mine was pretty much the same |
| 16:03.36 | AdmiralPanda | except I got "your combat sucks ass, but hey you made cool NPC's" |
| 16:04.26 | Imperios | Vincent20100: What in particular? The architecture or the history of it? |
| 16:04.26 | Hachiman | I don't recall ever saying that "your combat sucked" and I can't think of anyone who said that in the group |
| 16:04.39 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: I mean my FIRST campaign |
| 16:04.45 | Hachiman | Oh right |
| 16:05.37 | AdmiralPanda | it basically consisted of about three floors of skeletons and zombies, after which I was told the most interesting things in the whole campaign were the wounded gnome at the door, and the dialogue they had with the main villain |
| 16:06.07 | OluapWorker | Imperios: fyi the evil campaign isn't happening anymore because Panda has no time to DM |
| 16:06.09 | Hachiman | So what you're saying is that you found my campaign boring/uninteresting |
| 16:06.27 | Imperios | ...rite |
| 16:06.32 | Imperios | Can II be in your campaign then? |
| 16:06.41 | AdmiralPanda | correction: I found the /combat/ boring. Everything else I loved |
| 16:06.41 | Hachiman | We aren't running any campaigns |
| 16:06.53 | AdmiralPanda | HOWEVER, I find ALL combat boring in D&D |
| 16:07.04 | AdmiralPanda | it's just the kind of player I am |
| 16:07.22 | Vincent20100 | Imperios: All. The story, the siege, all the freaking awesome palaces. |
| 16:07.30 | Vincent20100 | ANd just... being in Russia |
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| 16:09.00 | Hachiman | So I spent all of this time trying to master the way of handling encounters and now you only just tell me that you're completely uninterested in fighting at all |
| 16:09.02 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 16:09.06 | Hachiman | Alright |
| 16:09.25 | Imperios | Hachiman: Hey, there are people who like handling encounters |
| 16:09.30 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: I didn't tell you because at the time, my understanding was everyone else enjoyed the combat greatly |
| 16:09.40 | OluapWorker | Reminder that he wasn't the only player in your game |
| 16:09.55 | AdmiralPanda | I'm used to being the only guy who doesn't like to fight, so I just don't mention it anymore and enjoy the RP as much as I can |
| 16:10.19 | Imperios | I like D&D combat personally |
| 16:11.14 | Hachiman | So you found my campaign uninteresting because it was combat-oriented, Random just powergames it like he does with all campaigns, so only Oluap enjoyed it |
| 16:11.37 | Imperios | Let me in next time and I'll enjoy it :-: |
| 16:11.53 | Hachiman | Imperios: There won't be a next time for a while Imp, we don't have the time to run a campaign |
| 16:11.58 | Imperios | rite |
| 16:12.30 | Hachiman | Well, no I mean I could run a campaign |
| 16:12.32 | AdmiralPanda | also, this is just me, but could you tone down the negativity a bit? I'm going to end up mirroring and it's just going to end badly for everyone |
| 16:13.07 | Hachiman | No, I FUCKED UP the campaign I ran |
| 16:13.19 | Hachiman | You didn't enjoy it, Random didn't give two shits either way |
| 16:13.26 | OluapWorker | Today just keeps getting worse |
| 16:13.48 | AdmiralPanda | sigh, I'm just not going to continue this conversation. I'm gonna go watch Spice and Wolf to cheer me up |
| 16:14.27 | AdmiralPanda | this is all I'm going to say: nobody in the history of the world has ever managed a campaign where everyone was happy, unless they all sat down to play a combat grind and that's exactly what they got |
| 16:15.01 | AdmiralPanda | I fully mapped out a three-level dungeon with twenty encounters, and all that the players found interesting were a half-dead gnome and the final boss' dialogue, which I improvised anyway |
| 16:15.14 | Monet_ | Hachiman: You can't plase everyone just calm down |
| 16:15.57 | drom | Urgh, gotta make an argurment essay for my Swedish course. |
| 16:16.33 | drom | It's subject is about parlamentic vs direct democracy |
| 16:17.34 | Monet_ | I agree with Panda though; two of the players were a metagamer and a person who doesnt' like how ocmbat goes in D&D there's no need for this level of pessamism. |
| 16:18.13 | Monet_ | What's important is whether or not they are okay with continuing. |
| 16:18.37 | Monet_ | If they're not interested in progressing with you as DM, that is when you have failed as a DM. |
| 16:19.00 | Hachiman | I feel like I ran my campaign for nothing |
| 16:19.10 | SpiceAndPanda | Monet has it exactly; we all wanted to keep going |
| 16:19.12 | drom | I'm for the direct democracy. I view the parlamentic one as "not working well" with our democracy. |
| 16:20.08 | Monet_ | Hachiman: I'm serious here: From what I'm hearing there is no need for that attitude. |
| 16:20.24 | OluapWorker | Can we drop this discussion? It's bad enough that we had to cancel the evil campaign because of me |
| 16:20.59 | SpiceAndPanda | Oluap: Actually it's timezones, simple as that |
| 16:21.19 | Technobliterator | timezones are a bitch |
| 16:21.31 | Hachiman | We didn't cancel it because of you, Oluap, we cancelled because Panda wouldn't have been able of doing D&D and RPs in the same weekend |
| 16:21.39 | Hachiman | Which isn't Panda's fault either |
| 16:21.49 | OluapWorker | Because I can't play earlier |
| 16:21.52 | OluapWorker | It's my fault |
| 16:22.01 | Technobliterator | *capable of doing |
| 16:22.09 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 16:22.15 | Hachiman | You can't help that you have a job |
| 16:22.21 | Hachiman | It isn't your fault |
| 16:22.33 | drom | Quit it. it's the reality's fault. |
| 16:22.46 | drom | Reality is the worst bitch out the bunch you can see. |
| 16:23.29 | Hachiman | Frankly I think I would prefer doing the Vampire War anyway, it's already in progress so we shouldn't start something new and lose track |
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| 16:24.55 | Imperios | Okay I guess |
| 16:26.34 | AdmiralPanda | I'm quite desperate to actually be a part of a wiki RP, so I'd much rather actually do the vampire war |
| 16:27.14 | OluapWorker | I suppose no D&D means we could rp twice per weekend so we can get it done faster |
| 16:27.31 | AdmiralPanda | that would cause exactly the same problem |
| 16:27.42 | Technobliterator | I need to get my bot server-run |
| 16:27.54 | OluapWorker | So you really can't do anything at sunday |
| 16:27.55 | Technobliterator | so that you guys can use it for your rps without me having to load it up for you >.< |
| 16:28.25 | AdmiralPanda | Oluap: I can't do anything two nights in a row |
| 16:28.51 | Hachiman | I would suggest that me and Oluap play at night but that would put strain on Imp if he would even be able to |
| 16:28.53 | OluapWorker | Right nevermind |
| 16:28.56 | Hachiman | *RP |
| 16:29.10 | Imperios | Night, as in? |
| 16:29.40 | Hachiman | As in night time, as in you have night before me and Oluap |
| 16:29.48 | Imperios | True |
| 16:30.23 | Imperios | If we ever do D&D, I actually think now that Saturday would be the better time for me |
| 16:30.26 | drom | D&D, a fantasyverse storybranch or the game? |
| 16:30.35 | Hachiman | The game |
| 16:31.01 | Hachiman | Imperios: You said you wouldn't be able to D&D Saturdays, that's why we tried to do Sunday |
| 16:31.03 | drom | I see. I might consider joining you guys whenever you start a new gae. |
| 16:31.34 | OluapWorker | I'm just gonna have to face it that I screwed up everyone's schedules and I won't be able to get any fiction done anytime soon |
| 16:31.35 | Imperios | I don't mean *that* Saturday, that Saturday was clogged |
| 16:31.56 | Imperios | Saturdays in general, however, will be alright |
| 16:32.40 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: My schedule isn't really screwed up, since I only have college Wednesday through Friday so I'm fine with D&Ding and RPing at the weekend |
| 16:33.08 | OluapWorker | I can only do fiction once per week |
| 16:33.20 | OluapWorker | It's going to take us literally months to get the vampire war done |
| 16:33.40 | AdmiralPanda | the biggest reason we have problems is I'm in Australia |
| 16:33.58 | Technobliterator | you could shorten it |
| 16:34.05 | Technobliterator | so that it doesn't take that long |
| 16:34.08 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: Don't be dum |
| 16:34.09 | OluapWorker | I can't and I won't |
| 16:34.21 | Technobliterator | do you have any other options? |
| 16:34.25 | OluapWorker | No |
| 16:34.36 | OluapWorker | The only other option is scrapping it |
| 16:34.51 | Technobliterator | if there's no other way out of this dilemna, I don't see what's up with condensing it |
| 16:35.02 | Hachiman | Because hard work and effort |
| 16:35.31 | OluapWorker | yes, I've been planning every single section of this story for a long time, and each one is important |
| 16:35.38 | Hachiman | As in, we put in a lot of work and effort to make this a coherent story and condensing it would put a lot of that to waste |
| 16:35.40 | OluapWorker | There is no filler for me to shorten or condense |
| 16:36.13 | Technobliterator | if you have already put hard work and effort into planning it, then why waste it by never getting it done? |
| 16:37.24 | OluapWorker | I don't get your point |
| 16:38.23 | Technobliterator | my point is that if you're stuck between never writing the vampire war, and writing it but having to plan everything again, then the best option of the two is obvious |
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| 16:38.38 | Hachiman | We're not changing it |
| 16:38.40 | OluapWorker | Plan again |
| 16:38.45 | OluapWorker | I have no reason to change anything |
| 16:38.55 | Technobliterator | so what's the problem? |
| 16:39.15 | Hachiman | It's gonna take a while, but really I'm fine with that |
| 16:39.16 | OluapWorker | The speed of how long it'll take to get it done |
| 16:39.27 | OluapWorker | But I have no power over that |
| 16:39.56 | Technobliterator | if you're worried about the speed, there are two ways you can change it, as I just said. or you can just go ahead with it slowly and not worry about it |
| 16:40.32 | OluapWorker | I'd not change what I have planned even if I was paid to. That should be enough indication of my stance |
| 16:40.57 | Imperios | So, we do it faster; perhaps by smaller pieces? |
| 16:40.59 | Technobliterator | then don't worry about the speed |
| 16:41.05 | Wormy | Driver impaled in buttocks while texting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jea5KDVJa18&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg |
| 16:41.14 | OluapWorker | We can't do it faster because I can only rp once per week |
| 16:41.19 | Hachiman | Imperios: If we can only do it once per week how would smaller pieces work |
| 16:41.39 | OluapWorker | Or rather, I can rp twice, but Panda can only rp once |
| 16:41.44 | Imperios | We can only do *larger* pieces per week |
| 16:41.48 | Imperios | *once per week |
| 16:41.58 | Hachiman | I'm willing to do multiple sections on a single day if it means speeding things up |
| 16:42.01 | Imperios | Small pieces we can squish in whenever we happen to have time |
| 16:42.12 | OluapWorker | I don't think you understand |
| 16:42.16 | OluapWorker | I DON'T have time |
| 16:42.35 | OluapWorker | If I had we'd be rping right now |
| 16:42.42 | Imperios | Right |
| 16:43.16 | Hachiman | I would suggest doing maybe two sections rather than one on the day we can do stuff then in that case |
| 16:43.36 | Hachiman | Which I'm fine with |
| 16:43.38 | OluapWorker | I'd rather not have Panda pass out everytime we rp |
| 16:44.39 | Monet_ | I thought most of the D&D games we did Panda played until he was on the verge of passing out? |
| 16:45.17 | Hachiman | If Panda passes out then somebody will have to takeover for Bastion then when we know Panda's out |
| 16:45.24 | OluapWorker | We didn't play two days in a row |
| 16:46.15 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: One all-nighter I can handle, two in a row I can't |
| 16:48.37 | OluapWorker | I suppose the one upside of one rp per week is that it helps hype it up a bit |
| 16:48.46 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 16:48.50 | OluapWorker | The vampire war is being one of my favorite things to write |
| 16:49.14 | Hachiman | Also, I'm able to DM a campaign at the weekend since I have the time for it due to a lot of free days |
| 16:49.29 | OluapWorker | But we'll still take 3 or 4 months to get it done |
| 16:49.52 | Hachiman | I'm fine with that, it means it gives us a lot of room for... I dunno, stuff hur |
| 16:50.12 | Hachiman | It should be finished near Christmas in that case |
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| 16:50.41 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 16:50.44 | Xho | u |
| 16:50.49 | Hachiman | ups |
| 16:50.54 | OluapWorker | Even if we rp'd twice per week, it'd probably take 3 months |
| 16:51.10 | Hachiman | I'm willing to marathon it a bit if anyone else is up for that |
| 16:51.52 | Technobliterator | Borealis War took about that long :o |
| 16:52.01 | Technobliterator | about four times that long |
| 16:52.15 | OluapWorker | Borealis War was ginormous though and we had a lot of spare time to do that |
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| 16:52.27 | Xho_ | Jesus Christ I disconnected in seconds |
| 16:52.44 | Technobliterator | I still say that you have no problem doing it slowly |
| 16:52.46 | OluapWorker | Vampire War is like, not even a fifth of the Borealis War in sikze |
| 16:52.47 | Technobliterator | also sup spu |
| 16:52.52 | OluapWorker | size* |
| 16:53.32 | OluapWorker | My only problem with doing it slowly is that I like getting things done fast hur |
| 16:53.43 | Hachiman | stahp ur sanic shi |
| 16:53.54 | OluapWorker | gotta go fest |
| 16:54.01 | Hachiman | I'm fine with doing it once a week and marathoning it |
| 16:54.25 | OluapWorker | Yeah but you're one 1 out of 3 people |
| 16:54.28 | Xho_ | You're fine marathoning it every night |
| 16:54.31 | Xho_ | If you get my meaning |
| 16:54.37 | OluapWorker | hur |
| 16:54.43 | Hachiman | yeh and |
| 16:56.48 | OluapWorker | I mean, I could try and rp at work, but it'd probably be so slow and slightly dangerous it's not worth the trouble |
| 16:57.17 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10454914_914718185242039_3394216527184398965_n.jpg?oh=5bbdcaea6d24245fdadc065b9d6b7d16&oe=5498D0AC&__gda__=1419700517_90f22a4ae8af34b6315ca1763d74f741 |
| 16:57.19 | Hachiman | Yeah don't do that |
| 16:57.37 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Inetersteller_Alience_of_Dragon_Clans inetersteller alience of dergun butts |
| 16:57.47 | OluapWorker | Thea voted for Pedro |
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| 16:58.07 | OluapWorker | Also git back to editin Kalcedia |
| 16:58.31 | Imperios | Hi |
| 16:59.17 | Xho | " all the while flirting with and getting to know much of the team, particularly Agent Nu" |
| 16:59.25 | Monet_ | Imperios Hachiman this reminds me. WHat do we do about The SHattering now that each of us are largely tied up with education until Christmas? |
| 16:59.27 | Xho | Nu - she got to know all of me at least eight times |
| 16:59.43 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
| 16:59.53 | Hachiman | Monet: Not entirely sure |
| 17:00.17 | Imperios | Well actually I can devote time to it from time to time |
| 17:00.27 | OluapWorker | time time time |
| 17:00.41 | OluapWorker | No one has any time anymore |
| 17:00.43 | OluapWorker | All Jo's fault |
| 17:01.34 | Technobliterator | what did I do :o |
| 17:01.54 | OluapWorker | u suk at time |
| 17:01.58 | Xho | top kek |
| 17:01.58 | OluapWorker | u and ur :o's |
| 17:02.03 | Monet_ | Personally I blame the David Cambot. |
| 17:02.25 | Technobliterator | ya mom suks at time |
| 17:02.32 | Technobliterator | and :o's are the best |
| 17:02.53 | Xho | dat da face u make when u open ur mouth for dik |
| 17:03.32 | Xho | £160 for two jeans better be fucking worth it |
| 17:04.03 | Technobliterator | u wot m8 |
| 17:04.05 | Technobliterator | 1v1 me |
| 17:05.16 | Xho | Okay maybe not buying from an unsafe site |
| 17:07.04 | Monet_ | *old man voice* In mah day we didn't ask for the other person to fight us one on one. A good punch was always good enough. |
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| 17:10.51 | Cyrannian | Hello. |
| 17:11.32 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 17:13.11 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 17:16.22 | Xho | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10675682_10152632976093548_5450540535808824724_n.jpg?oh=5c90ae52f96e54fc7afa15697b48ba86&oe=54909E3F |
| 17:17.04 | OluapWorker | peadik |
| 17:17.13 | AdmiralPanda | Not really sure what it is about D&D combat I don't like (don't you dare start another rant Hachi, I'm just musing for the sake of it) - it's probably got something to do with it being hard to vary combat on my end |
| 17:18.46 | AdmiralPanda | that and I do quite enjoy character interaction, so that probably dulls my view of the combat too |
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| 17:29.22 | Wormy | http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/share-a-coke-with-meg.jpg |
| 17:31.44 | OluapWorker | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Malcaeum I rewrote this in case you want to check it |
| 17:32.26 | Hachiman | brb shower |
| 17:36.03 | Monet_ | Wormy: Talking about the evolution of art and what is considered beautiful reminds me of how Daleks claim they can see beauty in hatred. |
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| 17:36.21 | Monet_ | I can kind-of see what they're on about. |
| 17:37.10 | Wormy | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/098/235/VWkZl.jpg |
| 17:38.06 | Monet_ | Hatred is energetic, dynamic, active. It surges like blood though everyone's bodies and can drive people to commit acts that mark the fabric of the world. |
| 17:38.11 | Wormy | beautiful exploding planet |
| 17:40.09 | Hachiman | Monet_: The Daleks are also written badly to be made out to be the worst people ever so there's that |
| 17:40.14 | Hachiman | Right actually gone now hur |
| 17:40.43 | Monet_ | Idunno some of the writing in Doctor Who can be quite poignent |
| 17:42.01 | Wormy | Don't diss the Daleks |
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| 17:50.02 | Cyrannian | I started to watch Dr. Who mainly because of Peter Capaldi |
| 17:50.32 | Monet_ | I'm not sure what to think of him just yet |
| 17:51.07 | Monet_ | Though I'll always consider David Tennant the best of the new doctors. |
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| 17:58.04 | Wormy | bye bye moore's law limits http://phys.org/news/2014-09-buckyballs-diamondoids-tiny-electronic-gadget.html |
| 18:03.06 | Monet_ | "he research team, which included scientists from Stanford University, Belgium, Germany and Ukraine, reported its results September 9, 2014 in Nature Communications." congratulations to the team! |
| 18:03.50 | Wormy | Frozen light http://phys.org/news/2014-09-solid-previously-unsolvable-problems.html |
| 18:04.34 | Wormy | photonics is one of those unexpected fields |
| 18:13.07 | Hachiman | Back |
| 18:13.30 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 18:13.34 | Hachiman | "How do lesbians have sex" "The question is how do they stop" |
| 18:13.45 | OluapWorker | hai |
| 18:16.16 | TekDroid | Wormy: Crystallized light? That's intriguing. |
| 18:18.03 | Wormy | If it can be applied, I wonder what technologies can be made. |
| 18:18.34 | TekDroid | Definitely. |
| 18:23.20 | TekDroid | " The universe is probably littered with the one-planet graves of cultures which made the sensible economic decision that there's no good reason to go into space--each discovered, studied, and remembered by the ones who made the irrational decision." |
| 18:26.47 | Wormy | lol |
| 18:31.02 | Xho | I still haven't got a quote for Nalashtannylor yet |
| 18:31.12 | Xho | OluapWorker: big angry fyr deemuns |
| 18:34.56 | Wormy | (____((____________()~~~ |
| 18:35.00 | Wormy | Its good for you. |
| 18:35.25 | OluapWorker | wut |
| 18:35.28 | Xho | dafuq is dat |
| 18:35.35 | Monet_ | Is that a syringe? |
| 18:35.38 | Xho | Wormy's lost it |
| 18:35.42 | Xho | Have to put him down |
| 18:35.52 | Monet_ | Yeah that looks like a syringe to me |
| 18:36.06 | Wormy | à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¹à¸à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´à¸´ |
| 18:36.09 | Wormy | MY HEAD |
| 18:36.12 | Xho | c |
| 18:36.27 | Monet_ | Wat |
| 18:36.44 | ImpyDroid | That's one of South Asian abugidas, isn't it? |
| 18:36.50 | ImpyDroid | *one of the |
| 18:36.54 | OluapWorker | Are you drunk again |
| 18:37.17 | Xho | I haven't been drunk in months leave me alone hur |
| 18:37.33 | ImpyDroid | ...wait |
| 18:37.35 | ImpyDroid | No |
| 18:37.39 | ImpyDroid | That's Thai |
| 18:37.43 | ImpyDroid | Well I was almost rigbt |
| 18:37.53 | Xho | y u no abugida |
| 18:37.58 | Xho | abugida harder scrub |
| 18:38.13 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Nalashtannylor y cant i get top quote for dis page |
| 18:38.16 | Xho | u fgts |
| 18:39.06 | Monet_ | Busy |
| 18:39.47 | Hachiman | I'll see if I can come up with one |
| 18:39.50 | OluapWorker | I got nothing |
| 18:41.41 | ImpyDroid | Gimme a few secs |
| 18:43.26 | OluapWorker | "BIRD BIRD BIRD BIRD BIRD BIRD" -Pelagrios |
| 18:44.11 | OluapWorker | Are we gonna go on with that 12 light gods idea? |
| 18:44.16 | ImpyDroid | "And thus the recalcitrant gazed upon the sky to see the Phoenix take flight. All truth was realised at this very instance and all impurity cleansed - and thus the doubtful ones became dust, forevermore. |
| 18:44.18 | ImpyDroid | " |
| 18:44.45 | ImpyDroid | - Nevari scrolls |
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| 18:45.38 | Xho | OluapWorker: I'm thinking now that the reverse side of the coin is probably much wider and more tenuous than twelve |
| 18:45.53 | OluapWorker | That doesn't answer my question |
| 18:45.54 | Xho | ImpyDroid: Trust me the Névari don't speak with that finesse |
| 18:45.56 | ImpyDroid | Xho OluapWorker: What was that idea? |
| 18:46.07 | ImpyDroid | Okay, Phoenix scrolls then |
| 18:46.09 | ImpyDroid | Dunno |
| 18:46.19 | Xho | I think I'll just stick with Orichalcum Elf |
| 18:46.31 | OluapWorker | "Turkey." -Kalarah |
| 18:46.38 | Xho | ImpyDroid: The idea was of a more structured 'reverse' pantheon to the simulacra |
| 18:47.00 | Xho | So while the Simulacra generally portray negative aspects you'd get a pantheon that doesn't |
| 18:47.03 | ImpyDroid | Don't the Colossi already fulfill that role? |
| 18:47.18 | OluapWorker | Colossi represent elements |
| 18:47.20 | Hachiman | Colossi are gods of nature and elements |
| 18:47.26 | ImpyDroid | Simulacra are forces alien to Koldenwelt, Colossi are native to it |
| 18:47.31 | Xho | Colossi are more like creatures tied with the earth, whether you call them gods or not is up to you |
| 18:47.38 | Xho | I personally don't call the Colossi gods |
| 18:47.40 | OluapWorker | I personally believe that not every god has to be a Simulacra |
| 18:47.44 | ImpyDroid | That's how I percieve them |
| 18:47.45 | OluapWorker | So I'm against the idea of "former" Simulacra |
| 18:47.57 | OluapWorker | But if we go on with the light-god pantheon idea, I think I could contribute to it |
| 18:48.09 | ImpyDroid | I have Pheonas who is kinda good I think |
| 18:48.18 | Xho | God of Freedom |
| 18:48.24 | Xho | I sure hope freedom is a good thing |
| 18:48.30 | Xho | Sure is in America |
| 18:48.48 | OluapWorker | Pheonas can't be the god of freedom, he's not even a bald eagle |
| 18:49.01 | Hachiman | I claim the light-god of victory and achievement hur |
| 18:49.01 | ImpyDroid | Javina - 'MPIYA |
| 18:49.05 | Xho | #braceyourself |
| 18:49.17 | OluapWorker | You got Yak |
| 18:49.21 | OluapWorker | he'd fit in |
| 18:49.22 | Xho | I wouldn't call them light-gods per se |
| 18:49.35 | OluapWorker | Easier to describe as that |
| 18:49.42 | Xho | Nalashtannylor would fit as a light-god but he's a Simulacrum |
| 18:49.55 | Hachiman | Yak's a part of the planet, he can't be hur |
| 18:50.11 | OluapWorker | I don't see how that interferes |
| 18:50.21 | Xho | In a weird sort of way Yak is the Simulacrum of Koldenwelt |
| 18:50.29 | OluapWorker | He could easily be the light-god-pantheon equivalent of Claigaduro |
| 18:50.29 | Hachiman | He's the monotheism to the Simulacra/Anti-Simulacra polytheism |
| 18:50.35 | Hachiman | True |
| 18:50.42 | OluapWorker | Caligaduro even |
| 18:50.47 | Xho | Or Crux even hur |
| 18:51.04 | OluapWorker | Well, they're both supreme-deity-y |
| 18:51.22 | Hachiman | Well Crux is intended to be the antithesis of Yak's "intelligent design" |
| 18:51.28 | Xho | That means I have to expand greatly on the Phoenix lore for Zenith |
| 18:51.40 | Xho | i.e. a light-god of judgement or something |
| 18:51.48 | OluapWorker | I could make an equivalent of Sonhadromerith |
| 18:52.08 | Hachiman | God of aspirations and hopes |
| 18:52.21 | OluapWorker | Vargash is an equivalent of Shu'rimrodir after all |
| 18:52.30 | ImpyDroid | I like the idea but I'd like the dualism between gods to be more complex than just evil/good |
| 18:52.39 | Cyrannian | bbl |
| 18:52.42 | Xho | Have a neutral pantheon hur |
| 18:52.50 | OluapWorker | 2manypantheons |
| 18:52.57 | Xho | Now that would be god overload |
| 18:53.00 | Xho | c |
| 18:53.11 | OluapWorker | Again I believe not every god has to be related to one |
| 18:53.14 | ImpyDroid | No I mean we should have anti-Sims do nasty things and Sims do good things at times |
| 18:53.15 | Xho | I AM THE SUPREME GOD OF NEUTRALITY I AM THE BEIGE KING |
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| 18:53.29 | Hachiman | My "god of victory" wouldn't be "good" per se |
| 18:53.30 | ImpyDroid | Xho: I HAVE NO STRONG FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER |
| 18:53.36 | Xho | Exactly |
| 18:53.39 | OluapWorker | 2morallycomplex |
| 18:53.45 | ImpyDroid | God of sieg heil hur |
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| 18:53.54 | drom | god of neutraliy, it is too much for my brain capacity. |
| 18:54.00 | drom | to imagine |
| 18:54.03 | Xho | I'll have to come up with a God/Goddess of Judgement then |
| 18:54.25 | Xho | I can imagine the God of Neutrality to be an oversized couch-potato that goes 'meh' to everything |
| 18:54.30 | Hachiman | Victory can be achieved by both "good" and "bad" guys after all |
| 18:54.45 | OluapWorker | I was thinking of making a god/goddess of love hur |
| 18:54.59 | Xho | dear lord |
| 18:55.01 | ImpyDroid | I already have Kalisearan u |
| 18:55.05 | Hachiman | Hermaphrodite deity |
| 18:55.07 | Xho | Kalarah - no thanx |
| 18:55.20 | OluapWorker | I se no love in your chaos cat thing |
| 18:55.23 | OluapWorker | see* |
| 18:55.28 | drom | Ah yiss. Hermaphrodite masterrace |
| 18:55.39 | Xho | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphroditus nuff said |
| 18:55.41 | ImpyDroid | She represents passion, love is one of her aspects |
| 18:55.50 | ImpyDroid | It's one of her nicer aspects in fact |
| 18:55.52 | OluapWorker | Sure doesn't look like it |
| 18:55.58 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Conchita Wurst goddess |
| 18:56.09 | ImpyDroid | RISE LIKE A PHOENIX |
| 18:56.16 | OluapWorker | Well there goes my contribution down the drain then |
| 18:56.38 | Hachiman | Well Crux represents violence and war, I'm sure my victory guy would have the same aspects |
| 18:56.51 | Hachiman | I don't see why aspects can't be shared |
| 18:56.55 | Xho | I'd only hazard a guess that Nalashtannylor is a Simulacrum because his plane of existence and magical spheres are dark |
| 18:57.05 | OluapWorker | They become irrelevant |
| 18:57.20 | OluapWorker | Or redundant rather |
| 18:57.46 | OluapWorker | Same reason why having more than one colossus of the same element would be a dumb idea |
| 18:57.46 | Xho | I think in a way there are three sorts of pantheons in the Fantasyverse |
| 18:58.19 | Xho | You got the Simulacra who are deities with dark powers, deities with light powers and then entities like the Colossi and Elementals who are earthly deities |
| 18:59.27 | drom | Does a god of superweaponry exist already? |
| 19:00.42 | ImpyDroid | Actually I can imagine this now |
| 19:00.58 | ImpyDroid | What if anti-Sims are literally reflections of Sims and their powers |
| 19:01.35 | drom | Humans. |
| 19:02.18 | Xho | Like complete reverses |
| 19:02.36 | Xho | I don't think I'd like the idea of a complete reverse of Caligaduro |
| 19:02.53 | OluapWorker | I regret starting this discussion |
| 19:02.54 | Xho | That's basically an Obvia'Atra to the Xhodocto |
| 19:03.54 | Xho | I'd rather just have a pantheon of deities who represent more righteous aspects rather than complete mirrors |
| 19:04.16 | Xho | And equally as capricious as the Simulacra |
| 19:04.17 | ImpyDroid | Not complete reverses, but their existence is tied to their opposites |
| 19:04.26 | ImpyDroid | ...This could work |
| 19:04.42 | Xho | That's pretty much the idea I've had since the start |
| 19:04.59 | ImpyDroid | Actually, if that happens, Alar'xashan could be moved to that category |
| 19:05.03 | TekDroid | When I think opposite of Caligaduro, for some reason Aeo comes to mind. O.o XD |
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| 19:07.12 | Xho | Like Hachi said, I don't see a god of victory having any more of a whim for the evil as for the good |
| 19:07.13 | Hachiman | This is causing too many problems, let's not go through with it otherwise more people are gonna fight about it |
| 19:07.31 | Xho | It's because everyone has different ideas and perhaps everyone should shut up and listen to my ideas hur |
| 19:08.18 | Xho | Nalashtannylor as an example is a deity of protection but he'd destroy anyone else as result, also the idea of wrath isn't exactly a good thing either |
| 19:11.04 | Xho | Neither is truth really |
| 19:11.16 | Xho | Especially if the evil side are telling the truth in his eyes rather than the good side |
| 19:11.24 | Xho | In a morally strict manner |
| 19:14.05 | Xho | Well that ended that discussion |
| 19:14.13 | Xho | Honestly I don't see what's so hard about making something like that |
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| 19:17.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 19:20.53 | Wormy | I saw a red moon and Earth's shadow. Nature brings tears of awe |
| 19:21.19 | DrodoEmpire | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10646879_10152379196763697_4871456960731295857_n.jpg?oh=214800b30708188e0e0ae6ce0a899de9&oe=54A0AE3A&__gda__=1418670191_d1905d5c755206003c0a2907a70e4cae o.o |
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| 19:23.39 | Wormy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_shadow#Color_of_lunar_eclipses |
| 19:25.17 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: Was that game yours? |
| 19:25.27 | DrodoEmpire | No, no. XD |
| 19:25.40 | TekDroid | Lol |
| 19:25.44 | DrodoEmpire | Just a screenshot I found on Facebook |
| 19:25.58 | Wormy | Good. Denmark is hard to trade with. |
| 19:29.27 | TekDroid | Leaving my Venice game for a bit. Anyone I can attack is either part of a massive coalition, or would drag in Austria. |
| 19:29.45 | TekDroid | And I need Power Projection. |
| 19:32.03 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: I had a very frustrating moment with my Korea game last night. DX |
| 19:32.21 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 19:32.25 | DrodoEmpire | What was it? |
| 19:32.35 | TekDroid | King died, pretender rebels rose up. |
| 19:32.56 | TekDroid | Lost about 2-3 times before finally winning. |
| 19:33.34 | TekDroid | Then immediately after a group of Manchu rebels crossed into the province and completely destroyed my army. |
| 19:34.15 | TekDroid | >.< |
| 19:34.26 | DrodoEmpire | Ouch... |
| 19:34.28 | DrodoEmpire | D: |
| 19:34.43 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, Korea can be frustrating to play. :P |
| 19:35.34 | TekDroid | Fortunately still had 5 years left on the truce with Manchu and Ming is an ally. |
| 19:36.10 | DrodoEmpire | Ah |
| 19:36.42 | TekDroid | Ming and Oirat. Fairly safe for the moment. XD |
| 19:49.52 | Xho | How bored am I right now |
| 19:49.54 | Xho | Quite |
| 19:54.41 | Wormy | Dark by nine, how depressing. |
| 19:55.02 | Wormy | Winter is coming to sap the life of all things |
| 19:58.18 | Xho | yey |
| 19:58.20 | Wormy | I don't know about you but I get Silent Hill vibes off winter |
| 19:58.34 | Wormy | All life runs, goes to sleep or dies |
| 19:58.51 | Xho | I tend to feel more energetic in winter |
| 19:59.15 | Wormy | Must have awful hundreds of years ago |
| 19:59.22 | Xho | True |
| 19:59.43 | Wormy | You had better hope you'd preserved enough food |
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| 20:01.46 | Monet | Hello |
| 20:01.52 | Wormy | hi |
| 20:04.01 | Wormy | Peasants often endured winter without shoes |
| 20:04.29 | Hachiman | I saw a moth while cleaning the dishes and then it disappeared so I started getting panicked |
| 20:04.33 | Hachiman | I feel uneasy right now |
| 20:05.47 | Wormy | I love moths |
| 20:06.13 | Monet | Wormy: Same. For me its all that fluff |
| 20:06.48 | Xho | I cannot be the only one when I say that Apple's idea of innovation is like Derek Zoolander's idea of Blue Steel, La Tigre and Ferrari |
| 20:06.53 | Wormy | I don't like booklice |
| 20:07.06 | Xho | I don't mind moths depending on their size |
| 20:07.22 | Xho | Anything bigger than my thumb is slightly too big |
| 20:07.42 | Xho | I cannot be the only one when I say that Apple's idea of innovation is like Derek Zoolander's idea of Blue Steel, La Tigre and Ferrari |
| 20:08.04 | Wormy | Not sure I get you |
| 20:08.21 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: But then they create Magnum |
| 20:08.26 | Xho | http://img.pandawhale.com/65404-zoolander-ants-magnum-le-tigre-cCgP.jpeg You need to watch Zoolander |
| 20:08.39 | Wormy | I see |
| 20:08.41 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: the day Apple creates Magnum is the day I eat my own foot |
| 20:09.15 | Monet | I have to agree wit Xho. What's the current Iphone model...5l? |
| 20:09.25 | Xho | 5S |
| 20:11.07 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffj8SHrbk0 |
| 20:11.29 | Monet | And yet they still get queues around the block whenever a new one comeso ut |
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| 20:13.01 | Wormy | Zoolander reminds me of Bruno |
| 20:13.08 | Wormy | hi |
| 20:14.16 | Xho | http://youtu.be/4mGVNySpCaA?t=1m31s Agents in a nutshell |
| 20:15.17 | drom | Mu - *sniff* |
| 20:15.26 | Xho | They do kinda fit the bill |
| 20:15.35 | Xho | Really, really ridiculously good liking and incredibly dense |
| 20:16.13 | Xho | looking |
| 20:16.17 | Xho | I really hate English |
| 20:24.57 | Xho | I just saw this Club Penguin parody |
| 20:25.07 | Xho | Not really a parody but still |
| 20:25.16 | Xho | This guy was on Club Penguin and he goes around trolling users |
| 20:25.47 | Xho | "wanna hear a joke" "yeah" "your future" "thats not nice" "sorry your turn" "why are igloos round?" "cause you touch yourself at night" |
| 20:27.54 | Hachiman | I saw that |
| 20:27.56 | Hachiman | Twas funny |
| 20:33.33 | Wormy | Xho: http://youtu.be/xXWGXkHsakg?t=17s |
| 20:38.22 | Xho | I think Bruno is the least funny of Sacha Baron Cohen's characters |
| 20:39.40 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10698616_915836325130225_3015017788449900011_n.jpg?oh=5ebd7deffdaa38d8e51b7f3c8cf438d8&oe=54920B29&__gda__=1419907488_ab66a14ae0e4c83da64ead2be20113ab |
| 20:40.50 | Xho | I just saw that, thought it was clever in a weird dumb political kind of way |
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| 20:48.39 | Jepardi | http://i.imgur.com/6vnIbsy.gif |
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| 20:51.09 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 20:57.30 | Monet | Hi |
| 20:59.16 | Knight_Alien | Anything going on? |
| 21:05.31 | Monet | Not much |
| 21:06.54 | Knight_Alien | Seems to be slow lately. |
| 21:17.44 | Knight_Alien | Well I personally have changed around the Themes/Songs of my Empire. |
| 21:18.01 | Knight_Alien | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire#Trivia Take a look. |
| 21:22.34 | TekDroid | I'm probably the only one to use actually Spore anthems for my empire. :P |
| 21:22.51 | Knight_Alien | I love making Anthems in spore. |
| 21:23.11 | Knight_Alien | Remember Tek these are Themes not Anthems. |
| 21:23.26 | Knight_Alien | The Eldarisian's are yet to have a Anthem. |
| 21:28.22 | drom | I wonder what Naakji is missing. |
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| 21:37.55 | Knight_Alien | Drom what do you think they are missing? |
| 21:38.27 | drom | military-grade swag (joke) |
| 21:38.42 | drom | Not really. But I have that damn felling anyway. |
| 21:38.51 | drom | And I'm not the kind of person to create characters. |
| 21:40.10 | drom | 10 |
| 21:40.35 | drom | 30 |
| 21:40.38 | Knight_Alien | How many characters do you have 10? |
| 21:40.49 | drom | Nah. I'm going to race a friend. |
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| 21:40.56 | Zmr56 | Hi there |
| 21:41.00 | drom | grr |
| 21:41.05 | drom | just 10 sec away |
| 21:42.19 | Monet | I'm sure there is always something ot improve. |
| 21:42.28 | Tek0516 | Hm... I might work on the early Farengeto histories later. |
| 21:42.59 | drom | I have got 1 character who have got her own page. And there's 1,2,3,4... 5 and 6. Least 6 characters of mine have no page. |
| 21:43.40 | drom | labels the swedish accent version of the c-word and pastes it on Zmr56's forehead* |
| 21:45.20 | Zmr56 | pastes some foul profane word that was randomly made up on the spot onto drom's scrotum |
| 21:46.20 | Knight_Alien | Decides to imprison Zmr56 by making him have a job at Freddy's for five days. |
| 21:46.50 | Zmr56 | looks up Freddy's |
| 21:46.54 | Zmr56 | is horrified |
| 21:47.02 | Tek0516 | O.o |
| 21:47.14 | Knight_Alien | Also decides to make Drom create 25 charcaters with pages. |
| 21:47.30 | drom | Czech your privileges before you do that, Knight_Alien. |
| 21:47.33 | Knight_Alien | Tek do you know what Five nights at Freddies is? |
| 21:47.34 | Monet | Zmr56: I knwo vaguely of it |
| 21:47.58 | Tek0516 | No. |
| 21:48.21 | Tek0516 | I suspect I don't want to either. |
| 21:48.33 | drom | Tek0516: http://store.steampowered.com/app/319510/ |
| 21:48.38 | drom | You HAVE to. |
| 21:48.41 | Knight_Alien | Five nights at freddies is a Indie game created by one person it is being called a messiah of Games. |
| 21:48.51 | Knight_Alien | Of indie games that is. |
| 21:49.17 | Monet | Sounds like massive hype to me |
| 21:49.41 | Knight_Alien | The story is about a Chucky cheese like place that is going out of buisness because of it's past. |
| 21:49.53 | Zmr56 | Wait a minute, I thought you meant this Freddy's http://www.freddysplaykingdom.co.uk/ |
| 21:50.00 | Monet | The gameplay sounds a lot like Night Trap |
| 21:50.12 | Zmr56 | I just googled it straight away |
| 21:50.26 | Zmr56 | Still 6spooky10me |
| 21:50.28 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@134.117.249.9) |
| 21:50.47 | Knight_Alien | See Freddies is a place for children and one night a man dressed as Freddy lured 5 children to the back and killed them stuffing their bodies into the suits of the Characters. |
| 21:51.06 | Knight_Alien | He was caught but the CHildren were never found. |
| 21:51.57 | Monet | Well that's a nice story for almost 11PM GMT |
| 21:51.59 | Knight_Alien | Soon customers complained about the Characters smelling foul like the dead and they have notcied blood and such coming out from the eyes and mouth of the Characters. |
| 21:52.32 | drom | TL;DR: The pizzeria is haunted |
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| 21:53.01 | Knight_Alien | The Characters are said to be haunted and the souls of the Children awake at night to claim revenge by stuffing the Guards into Suits/killing them in the process. |
| 21:53.25 | Knight_Alien | Guards are needed so they don't wander the streets. |
| 21:53.53 | Knight_Alien | You are a guard hired for this job and you must survive five nights at freddies. |
| 21:54.04 | Monet | I don't know if the UK has an equivilent of Chuk-E-Cheeze. |
| 21:54.06 | Knight_Alien | Zmr56 is now working their. |
| 21:54.37 | Monet | We have Pizza Hut though |
| 21:54.53 | drom | Awh, yiss. Pizza hut. |
| 21:55.04 | drom | Immigrant pizzerias are alot better though. |
| 21:55.06 | Knight_Alien | Here is a fan made song of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18A5BOTlzE |
| 21:55.13 | Zmr56 | well it's better than having to get paid to massage drom's balls |
| 21:55.31 | drom | Zmr56: I'm actually woman. |
| 21:56.42 | Hachiman | >Implying there are Viking females |
| 21:57.09 | Hachiman | Everybody knows that Scandinavia is filled only with big, burly, blonde viking men |
| 21:57.19 | Zmr56 | but your so ugly I mistook you for a man |
| 21:57.31 | drom | I'm not your anime shit either. |
| 21:57.42 | Knight_Alien | So yes Five nights at freddies is a horror point in click , Killing ghost game. |
| 21:57.56 | Zmr56 | drom is a small, frail, bald, Viking woman |
| 21:57.59 | Knight_Alien | Anime is fun :} |
| 21:58.21 | Zmr56 | who also happens to be my waifu whether he likes it nor not |
| 21:58.43 | Knight_Alien | Zmr how many Waifu's do you have? |
| 21:58.50 | Zmr56 | I lost count |
| 21:59.07 | *** join/#sporewiki drom (~dromlexer@unaffiliated/drom) |
| 21:59.24 | Knight_Alien | Zmr a ma who works at a Killing Pizzeria with over 20 wikus to look foward towards. |
| 21:59.30 | Knight_Alien | *Man* |
| 21:59.33 | drom | Time to be mature now. |
| 22:00.01 | Knight_Alien | Did you leave because of inmaturity? |
| 22:00.50 | Zmr56 | immaturity over 1100 |
| 22:00.51 | drom | I got fed by the jokes. |
| 22:00.57 | Knight_Alien | Alright. |
| 22:00.59 | *** part/#sporewiki Zmr56 (4d6222a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.98.34.164) |
| 22:01.16 | Knight_Alien | Activates non-Anime mode. |
| 22:02.45 | drom | Zmr was supposed to share his ideas with me for his next part in our collab. |
| 22:02.48 | drom | God-damnit. |
| 22:03.13 | Angrybirds | New French starship class: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:France/French_Starfleet?file=Adrianne-class.png |
| 22:06.51 | Knight_Alien | More Power for the Republic. |
| 22:07.34 | drom | Noice |
| 22:13.14 | Technobliterator | visual editor |
| 22:13.18 | Technobliterator | visual fucking editor |
| 22:13.42 | Technobliterator | i wish it would die in a fire and burn in the lowest hell for 999999999999# eternities |
| 22:13.54 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d016b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.22.185) |
| 22:15.40 | Wormy | hi |
| 22:18.23 | drom | Ciao (Hello). Ciao (Good bye). |
| 22:23.16 | Knight_Alien | Welcome back. |
| 22:23.41 | Monet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao apparently "ciao" does mean "hello" and "goodbye"...in certain languages. |
| 22:23.46 | Monet | Not English though |
| 22:25.57 | Liquid_Ink | ..? |
| 22:26.02 | Liquid_Ink | You didn't know that? |
| 22:27.01 | Monet | I knew it meant "goodbye" |
| 22:27.28 | Monet | I'm not as well-versed in foreign languages as some people. |
| 22:28.00 | Liquid_Ink | I see |
| 22:28.26 | Liquid_Ink | I understand you not knowing it meant "hello" as well. Took me a while to figure that out too. |
| 22:30.03 | Wormy | "When in session, MPs are forbidden from using language that might âoffend the dignityâ of Parliament. This commonly covers swearing, personal insults and, most seriously, accusing an MP of being dishonest. Many words have been deemed unparliamentary by House Speakers over time including âcowardâ, âguttersnipeâ, âhooliganâ, âliarâ, âtraitorâ and âgitâ." |
| 22:30.11 | Wormy | http://listverse.com/2010/05/06/10-oddities-of-the-british-parliament/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct |
| 22:30.29 | Monet | "You didn't know that?" can come across (to me anyway) as "I already knew that so how come you didn't?" |
| 22:30.46 | Liquid_Ink | Sorry about that. |
| 22:30.55 | Liquid_Ink | I can be an asshole sometimes. |
| 22:31.23 | Wormy | i love the word guttersnipe |
| 22:32.05 | Monet | Liquid_Ink: I forgive you. |
| 22:32.46 | Monet | Brits can be surprisingly sensetive. |
| 22:32.56 | Wormy | "The Mace of the House of Commons is an ornate golden staff which rests in the centre of the chamber when Parliament is in session. In 2009 Labour MP John McDonnell was suspended for picking up the staff and disrupting a debate on the expansion of Heathrow Airport, London." |
| 22:33.04 | Wormy | They act like children... |
| 22:34.18 | Monet | And they wonder why we consider them useless at times. |
| 22:36.12 | Wormy | I remember hearinmg on the radio this posh woman from House of Commons complaining how they shuffle out and take their time |
| 22:36.33 | Wormy | in the olden days I hear they never used to get up in time |
| 22:38.17 | Wormy | lol http://youtu.be/4bhpXhxP-WU |
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| 22:39.40 | Monet | I think I should start showing the Imperiu's darker side more. Feels a little too...light for me in some areas. |
| 22:40.54 | Knight_Alien | The Dark will one day consume the light....-Darksouls |
| 22:41.36 | Knight_Alien | I tried a Darker side for my Empire and , well I really didn't like it I think I was to dark so I changed it. |
| 22:42.05 | Knight_Alien | Monet I have always pictured the Imperium Dark. |
| 22:43.29 | Monet | I'd say what I think it is but its so sprawlingly cosmopolitan that I'm better off saying that the idea is probably oly one side of it. |
| 22:43.45 | Monet | I suppose I never liked the idea of lumping it int osome good-guy ghetto. |
| 22:44.10 | Knight_Alien | My Empire is almost completely light right now. |
| 22:45.02 | Knight_Alien | Povery is non-existing , Crime is mostly Extinct and around at-least 90% of the Population listen truthfully. |
| 22:45.37 | Knight_Alien | All of my attempts at a Darker side were to extreme. |
| 22:48.14 | Monet | The Imperium is ideal, its extremely cultured, but its also corrupt and selfish. |
| 22:48.52 | Knight_Alien | From what I have heard the Imperium is very: I am better then you attitude. |
| 22:49.08 | Monet | Definitely. |
| 22:49.21 | Monet | Altohugh they like to be practical about it |
| 22:52.09 | Knight_Alien | The Eldarisian's are Friendly and very Honor based and they are Cultured and Religous but they are Isolationists when it comes to outside Cultures and Religion and finds forcing outside Religions/Cultures a act of Hostility and maybe even future Enemies. |
| 22:54.04 | Knight_Alien | A attempt at a Darkerside of the Empire is coming up sortly, I plan on making one of the High Prophets really Zealous and mostly being the Judge Religion wise. |
| 22:55.32 | Knight_Alien | Even though Cuth is against that , it must be done to keep Heretics and COnsumer worshippers out. |
| 22:55.34 | Monet | Yeah ,among other things in the Imperium there's a cult of personality towards the reigning emperor. |
| 22:56.33 | AdmiralPanda | I don't often think of my fiction as being "light" or "dark" nowadays, I just think of it in terms of "does it make sense" |
| 22:57.03 | Knight_Alien | Ah a Cult of personality.... |
| 22:57.19 | AdmiralPanda | I mean most people would consider defaulting to genocide in warfare to be pretty dark, but given the Fordanta's history it makes perfect sense |
| 23:02.12 | Angrybirds | Heavy overhaul of the Starfleet page to reflect changes to French doctrine during the GigaConflicts: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:France/French_Starfleet Feedback would be awesome. :D |
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| 23:03.45 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kalcedia_Myran Just finished this, give quotes if you want to |
| 23:03.52 | Hachiman | Hai Tyb |
| 23:04.31 | Tybusen | Hai |
| 23:04.39 | Angrybirds | Tybusen: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:France/French_Starfleet |
| 23:04.43 | Angrybirds | Bunch of new stuff |
| 23:06.25 | Tybusen | I'm so done with school right now |
| 23:08.39 | Monet | Tybusen: You're not alone |
| 23:08.59 | Tybusen | I'm three days into my school year and I'm already just so done |
| 23:09.18 | Tybusen | I have to get 2000 words of an essay completed by tomorrow |
| 23:09.37 | Hachiman | Only 2000? |
| 23:09.40 | Monet | Ouch |
| 23:09.41 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: All dat innuendo |
| 23:09.56 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: Aye |
| 23:10.08 | Tybusen | 2000 words is a lot when you're supposed to be writing a history paper with proper sources |
| 23:10.21 | Hachiman | True |
| 23:10.42 | Tybusen | Is International Baccalaureate a thing in the UK? |
| 23:11.27 | Monet | It sounds familiar |
| 23:12.40 | Tybusen | If you're a part of the IB program, you have to write a 4000 page research/analysis essay due in March of your senior year |
| 23:14.18 | Tybusen | Plus they make you spend like 800 dollars total across junior and senior years to pay for shitty exams in May |
| 23:14.18 | Monet | And 2000 words is the practice paper? |
| 23:14.36 | Tybusen | It's supposed to be the first half of the actual paper |
| 23:14.46 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: Left a quote |
| 23:17.21 | Monet | High Inquisitor Arsac - âI never thought the mere image of a person would scream "chaste" at me.â >> Arsac - I have no time for offspring, that's why. |
| 23:19.37 | AdmiralPanda | I'm contemplating leaving something from Hel', which would of course reference the fact that the first thing most Fordanta do after combat is find someone to run off to a dark room with |
| 23:23.37 | Monet | Qoted |
| 23:25.00 | Tybusen | Left a quote. |
| 23:25.54 | Hachiman | yey |
| 23:26.20 | AdmiralPanda | everyone loves the gigaquadrant's spacewhore :P |
| 23:26.37 | Tybusen | Probably the first character quote I've left that wasn't Lorrelas |
| 23:27.06 | Hachiman | Well of course everyone loves her, she's the bicycle of the Gigaquadrant |
| 23:27.44 | Tybusen | The TIAF ships her with literally everyone |
| 23:27.45 | Tybusen | ever |
| 23:30.57 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:31.00 | AdmiralPanda | Kaios' quote is basically his response to reading a file on her |
| 23:31.00 | Knight_Alien | XD |
| 23:31.28 | Tybusen | Hachiman: I looked at Gardin's page and her outfit literally looks almost identical to Asuka's plug suit |
| 23:32.00 | Hachiman | hue |
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| 23:32.20 | Hachiman | Well Oluap made the outfit and he doesn't watch Evangelion |
| 23:32.39 | Tybusen | It's uncanny how similar they look |
| 23:32.49 | Monet | A happy coincidence then |
| 23:32.50 | AdmiralPanda | Honestly, she'd be incredibly popular in the Fordan Empire |
| 23:34.18 | Hachiman | Think I'm gonna head to bed, first day back to college tomorrow |
| 23:34.18 | Monet | BLoody hell is it really Wednesday already? |
| 23:34.24 | Tybusen | Compare Gardin: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140302220610/spore/images/thumb/8/8a/Gardin.png/291px-Gardin.png to Asuka: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPSDpTFnNFVyvqoKBO3QnF9aeNh7B2I1PmPVbtV4X7lOZXeiCWRg |
| 23:34.27 | AdmiralPanda | mhm |
| 23:34.30 | Monet | Hachiman: Sleep well. |
| 23:34.36 | Tybusen | Night buni |
| 23:34.47 | Monet | I have today and tomorrow to finish this big art request. |
| 23:35.01 | Monet | Good ting I've only got a few things left to do |
| 23:35.57 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Is it true that you level up skills in EVE by turning off the game and letting them auto-level? |
| 23:35.58 | Tybusen | I'm still blown away that Oluap somehow managed to create Asuka's outfit in Spore almost entirely by accident |
| 23:37.59 | Monet | Wait what's Asuka's family name? |
| 23:38.39 | Monet | Because its an odd firstname for a German girl |
| 23:40.07 | Monet | Oh wait we talked about this |
| 23:40.20 | Tybusen | She's supposedly German-Japanese |
| 23:40.28 | Monet | She has an Asian first and surname and an American middle name. |
| 23:40.38 | Tybusen | Probably a German mother and a Japanese father |
| 23:42.55 | Monet | Random thought: While not all of us on the wiki are lingual experts, I guess what a culture's language soudns like can be perhaps drawn from the pronounciation of native namesd. |
| 23:43.50 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps, yeah |
| 23:44.25 | DrodoEmpire | Last time I checked not many Chinese people are named "Alexander". :P |
| 23:45.45 | Monet | "Alexander" sounds pretty alien to Mandarin Chinese. |
| 23:45.46 | Wormy | Lol, I found a group which quoted all the things my crazy old lecturer from Leicester said https://www.facebook.com/groups/353378351420108/ |
| 23:46.53 | Monet | Then again these days Western parents will name their kids anything |
| 23:48.00 | Wormy | "Electrons are like the IRA, they don't just go away!" God I remenger that |
| 23:48.46 | Wormy | "If all the girls in Essex were laid end to end, I wouldn't be surprised." |
| 23:49.45 | Wormy | You slothful pile of wombat droppings |
| 23:49.54 | Wormy | He would enjoy insulting us |
| 23:50.59 | Wormy | I remember on the first day, he shouted down the speaker WHY WON'T THESE FUCKING THINGS WORK |
| 23:51.08 | Wormy | shocking everyone |
| 23:51.11 | Monet | I met this one bloke, I think he wasa from Seattle, who due to having New-age parents was named "Timal" |
| 23:51.51 | Monet | He looked pretty White American ot me |
| 23:54.09 | Monet | Wormy: One of my Architecture lecturers had a bit of an obsession with Chaz and Dave |
| 23:57.11 | Monet | He opened our second-term project by playing Chaz and Dave's song "Margate" via YouTube. |
| 23:58.23 | Wormy | "What's that you're doing? Palaeo? Drawing dead things in paper" *snort* |
| 23:59.29 | Monet | Actually now that I think about it...there were signs all over that I would not have emerged from a year doing architecture and not working myself half to death. |
| 23:59.34 | Wormy | "For our friends from the Middle East interested in blowing things up, this one's for you." |
| 23:59.47 | Wormy | We actually had students from the Middle East :P |
