| 00:10.32 | Tek0516 | Damnit, even the ethernet is slow right now. |
| 00:12.06 | Tek0516 | And I have work I need. >.< |
| 00:24.38 | Monet | Thinking about it while writing a quote. Perhaps in the future Sarec becomes a mentor for prospetive Isio'nar |
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| 00:26.25 | Wormy_cooking | Hm, how to get maggots out of stewed damsons... |
| 00:27.14 | Wormy_cooking | I know there were maggots in them, they float to the surface of the juice that I am waking wine with |
| 00:27.43 | Monet | What about tweezers? |
| 00:27.43 | Wormy_cooking | I could try sivving but they will be hard to see |
| 00:27.55 | Monet | And a magnifying glass |
| 00:28.04 | Wormy_cooking | There is a whole saucepan of the fruit |
| 00:28.11 | Wormy_cooking | all boiled up |
| 00:28.58 | Wormy_cooking | Right |
| 00:29.20 | Wormy_cooking | Gonna press the pulp over a coffee filter and look very carefully |
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| 00:32.41 | Tek0516 | Hello |
| 00:33.31 | Wormy_cooking | I honestly can't tell maggots from fruit. I don't feel I'll notice when I eat the pie... |
| 00:33.53 | Wormy_cooking | Generations have eaten fruit pies without searching for maggots |
| 00:34.47 | Wormy_cooking | Its all good protein |
| 00:35.03 | Wormy_cooking | They and any baxteria should be dead anyway from heat and sugar |
| 00:37.02 | Monet | Hachiman: Quoted. |
| 00:37.58 | Wormy_cooking | :O |
| 00:38.06 | Wormy_cooking | Its 1:39 AM? |
| 00:38.18 | Wormy_cooking | I've not even made the pastry yet |
| 00:38.35 | Wormy_cooking | Oh howell, how is this worse than late night gaming? |
| 00:41.44 | Wormy_cooking | I could put the fruit in the fridge and wait till morning |
| 00:42.19 | Monet | At least you're not getting eyestrain |
| 00:46.11 | Wormy_cooking | I'm too full still to go to bed |
| 00:46.22 | Wormy_cooking | I made a huge dinner |
| 00:46.41 | Wormy_cooking | Right, Another hour and half or so in the kitchen won't hurt |
| 00:50.59 | OfficerJackal | Agh. |
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| 00:52.21 | Wormy_cooking | People talk about musical fugue, or linguistic/visual fugue, or idea fugue |
| 00:52.34 | Wormy_cooking | I make flavour fugue |
| 00:54.00 | TekDroid | >.< I have absolutely killed my data limit for the month. |
| 01:01.49 | Hachiman | Monet: Sweet, thanks |
| 01:04.26 | Monet | No problem. |
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| 01:16.21 | DrodoGaming | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10599357_10152497252625617_7860019234967609124_n.jpg?oh=1c95049abfaf8a3fcb3e584c4f297453&oe=5485471B&__gda__=1422986878_b8b2b7a5d36585eeb37ffb20eb45f14e |
| 01:17.48 | Wormy_cooking | Well, pie is in the oven |
| 01:18.10 | Wormy | I've been in the kutchen since 8:30 |
| 01:19.04 | Wormy | 5.50 hours almost |
| 01:19.16 | Wormy | Could earn some money for that |
| 01:21.19 | Hachiman | Why are you cooking at 2AM |
| 01:21.30 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 01:21.31 | infobot | test is, like, not funny |
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| 01:23.29 | DrodoGaming | test |
| 01:23.47 | DrodoEmpire | I meant to change that a while ago. Again. |
| 01:24.50 | DrodoEmpire | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10628357_285708294966875_3421616259739354762_n.jpg?oh=f1f7ee6106fc670f358e6697567fa09d&oe=549EBA29&__gda__=1419956625_86d992553a79ef2157a56c130668aea4 |
| 01:24.53 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
| 01:42.22 | Wormy | Hachiman: Cuz I can't manage time |
| 01:42.43 | Wormy | and once I start something, I don't stop until done |
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| 01:51.19 | Wormy | bye |
| 01:56.50 | TekDroid | >.< First time doing laundry at university and I already have that lone sock. |
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| 02:06.41 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 02:10.37 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 02:17.23 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
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| 02:39.00 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 02:50.24 | Tek0516 | ~test |
| 02:50.24 | infobot | from memory, test is not funny |
| 02:50.36 | Tek0516 | Dead tonight. |
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| 02:53.52 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 02:54.00 | Knight_Alien | I am finally back once more. |
| 02:54.30 | Knight_Alien | Any new events/news? |
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| 03:24.29 | GD12 | Hello everyone |
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| 03:50.55 | Knight_Alien | I am ALive finally. |
| 03:51.08 | Knight_Alien | Anything new? |
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| 08:47.07 | Liquid_Ink | gives Angrybirds a slappin' |
| 08:47.21 | Liquid_Ink | Do you have a decent map generator lying about somewhere? |
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| 09:01.30 | Liquid_Ink | Nevermind |
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| 09:20.22 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 09:32.47 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 09:59.45 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:02.01 | drom | Sup? |
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| 11:09.11 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 11:09.18 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 11:21.59 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 11:39.19 | Liquid_Ink | Welcome back |
| 11:42.34 | Knight_Alien | Thanks. |
| 11:42.48 | Liquid_Ink | http://i.imgur.com/AMzTDFq.png I made a simple little map for a story of mine. |
| 11:53.52 | Knight_Alien | Looks good. |
| 11:56.48 | Liquid_Ink | I feel maybe I should have a fourth continent with monarchist, capitalists and fascists. |
| 11:56.55 | Liquid_Ink | So every variation is played out. |
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| 12:15.38 | Liquid_Ink | http://i.imgur.com/OHQZiLW.png There. |
| 12:16.07 | Liquid_Ink | Although I'm concerned that I've made the communists too small and the capitalists too big. |
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| 12:28.06 | drom | geezuh, my head hurts |
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| 12:30.06 | Wormy | That is what happens when one runs on autopilot |
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| 12:31.09 | Wormy | Blugh |
| 12:31.27 | Wormy | What is wrong with my brain today |
| 12:31.33 | drom | I wonder, too. |
| 12:31.54 | Wormy | Perhaps the fact I was making pie at 2 AM |
| 12:33.20 | AdmiralPanda | that is a touch questionable |
| 12:36.45 | OluapWorker | ohi Panda |
| 12:36.49 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_Vampires/The_Quest#Countess_or_Witch did you check this? |
| 12:42.32 | AdmiralPanda | I did, and I liked it |
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| 12:47.07 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:47.13 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10628577_923045317716480_8783938552564659475_n.jpg?oh=2bbccd9ff59133e0df2f915fe3c0d7bc&oe=54A10B74&__gda__=1418418600_a3074cf3663959cb7caa19ce79165dc6 Have some skellingtons |
| 12:48.06 | OluapWorker | omg hai |
| 12:49.06 | OluapWorker | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4015217408/h36C4B575/ |
| 12:50.41 | Hachiman | hur |
| 12:50.49 | OluapWorker | git to work on Kalcedia |
| 12:51.32 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10690031_1516201665263570_166636504312502712_n.png?oh=535d0b9703c1b22a046a059ee62985d8&oe=548AC6F8 |
| 12:52.39 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Un-Grox The fuck is this |
| 12:53.26 | OluapWorker | An Un-Grox, duh |
| 12:58.08 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10690031_1516201665263570_166636504312502712_n.png?oh=535d0b9703c1b22a046a059ee62985d8&oe=548AC6F8 |
| 12:58.34 | OluapWorker | y u post same thing twice |
| 12:58.42 | Hachiman | Oh fuck hur |
| 12:58.44 | OluapWorker | and git editin |
| 12:58.49 | Hachiman | I thought I didn't post it |
| 13:06.07 | Wormy | "offshoot from the Meta-Grox" doesn't make much sense |
| 13:06.20 | Wormy | Meta-Grox aren't a species |
| 13:06.51 | OluapWorker | This person probably doesn't know about the fictionverse |
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| 13:09.14 | Vincent20100 | Plop! |
| 13:17.03 | AndroImpy | Today's linguistics course was fun, save for the fact that there weren't any actual linguistic lessons today hur |
| 13:17.15 | AndroImpy | Only maths and psychology stuff |
| 13:18.02 | AndroImpy | Hachiman: ...This "organic Grox" idea is actually quite neat |
| 13:18.06 | AndroImpy | Also hello everyone |
| 13:18.29 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Insert Zerg/Tyranid/Yuuzhan Vong/whatever hur |
| 13:19.13 | Vincent20100 | Hey |
| 13:20.10 | AndroImpy | This actually reminds me of one fiction I made for my very first Russian Spore fanfics |
| 13:20.20 | AndroImpy | The Carnervones |
| 13:20.57 | AndroImpy | Basically, furry Yuuzhan Vong expies with a fetish for altering their bodies genetically in artistic ways |
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| 13:32.23 | Hachiman | Fucking goddamnit |
| 13:32.37 | Hachiman | rite gimme titles for Kalcedia |
| 13:33.54 | OluapWorker | "Bitch" |
| 13:34.08 | Hachiman | hao bout u fuk off |
| 13:34.15 | OluapWorker | is tru tho |
| 13:34.38 | OluapWorker | I can't think of anything other than The Eye, I don't recall any of my chars referring to her by any titles |
| 13:35.08 | OluapWorker | Perhaps The Bed Goddess hur |
| 13:35.56 | AndroImpy | Let me check my thesaurus for the synonyms to the word "slut" |
| 13:36.02 | AndroImpy | *for synonyms |
| 13:36.25 | OluapWorker | hoh |
| 13:37.37 | AndroImpy | That Damnable Bohemian Libertine - by Venoriel |
| 13:38.22 | drom | I found a hot ginger chick in the bus today. |
| 13:38.25 | OluapWorker | Boingy Bits -Gardin |
| 13:38.50 | OluapWorker | jk don't add that hur |
| 13:40.41 | Hachiman | drom: >ginger |
| 13:40.48 | Hachiman | How can you be attracted to the soulless |
| 13:40.59 | drom | Their hot shell ofc. |
| 13:41.28 | Wormy | Both NASA and Virgin Galactic shared this https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_881277059 |
| 13:41.42 | drom | Speaking of gingers. I think I'm a quater or half a ginger. |
| 13:41.45 | Wormy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_881277059&feature=iv&src_vid=cUzFtWNOOOU&v=pTccWT2YOC8 |
| 13:42.08 | Wormy | I have some red hair in my beard |
| 13:42.39 | drom | Because my hair appears orange-red in sunlight, I barely get tanned in few hours of sun exposeure. |
| 13:43.12 | drom | And ocean-blue irises. Ginger usually have green eyes. And ocean-blue is a mix between green and blue. |
| 13:44.15 | drom | And sometimes, my inner self, feels empty. |
| 13:44.30 | drom | Maybe it's because I have no soul, or a weak one. |
| 13:46.30 | Hachiman | I dunno how old Kalcedia should be |
| 13:46.37 | Hachiman | As in, how long ago she was created |
| 13:46.51 | OluapWorker | Hm |
| 13:47.02 | OluapWorker | I could possibly estimate her age |
| 13:47.12 | Hachiman | rite do dis |
| 13:49.14 | AndroImpy | Hachiman: Age: Legal |
| 13:49.27 | OluapWorker | UNOC was formed at 2786. If we say the current year is 2803, then that happened 17 years ago |
| 13:49.34 | OluapWorker | So she's at least 17 |
| 13:49.36 | Hachiman | rite |
| 13:49.50 | Hachiman | So she's younger than Hachi |
| 13:49.54 | Hachiman | Geezush |
| 13:49.57 | drom | chirst, why are almost all girl characters so young? |
| 13:50.25 | OluapWorker | You can add to that age if you want her to have been created before being UNOC-fied |
| 13:51.01 | Hachiman | drom: Kalcedia was "born" as an adult and she never had to bother with childhood due to her artificial heritage |
| 13:51.13 | Hachiman | So psychologically and physically she's not really "so young" |
| 13:51.21 | Hachiman | Just chronologically |
| 13:53.02 | OluapWorker | How old would you say she is psychologically and physically? |
| 13:53.24 | drom | I see. |
| 13:53.40 | Hachiman | I'd say an interim between 20s-30s |
| 13:53.54 | Hachiman | So quite mature and healthy |
| 13:53.57 | OluapWorker | Makes sense |
| 13:54.43 | OluapWorker | It helped that UNOC's formation happened during the Borealis War |
| 13:54.57 | Hachiman | I wonder if 3.7m is too tall, although she is a polymorph |
| 13:55.27 | OluapWorker | I imagine that's unnaturally giant for a Zazane but yeah, polymorph hur |
| 13:56.01 | Hachiman | Well consider that Tyraz stands at roughly 2m, which is tall for a human, and is considered a midget hur |
| 13:56.18 | OluapWorker | I mean in Zazane standards |
| 13:56.23 | OluapWorker | She's almost twice the size of one |
| 13:56.49 | Hachiman | Hmm I could lower that but then she is related to Kol |
| 13:56.50 | OluapWorker | big gurls r hot |
| 13:57.08 | Hachiman | yeh alrite dats a gud reesun |
| 13:57.09 | OluapWorker | I'm not saying you should, I'm just commenting hur |
| 13:57.33 | Hachiman | She's a polymorph anyway so it doesn't make much difference hur |
| 13:58.06 | Hachiman | So Kol, Sanguine, and Cattalix would be her family, wouldn't it? |
| 13:58.14 | Hachiman | *they |
| 13:58.21 | OluapWorker | Them and that eyeless one Monet has |
| 13:59.04 | Hachiman | I forgot what her name was hur |
| 13:59.55 | OluapWorker | Yidda I think |
| 14:00.35 | Hachiman | Ah yeah Yidda |
| 14:03.45 | Hachiman | I'm torn whether Kalcedia is Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral |
| 14:04.38 | OluapWorker | Considering she's inclined to do good even if she's a bit selfish, I'd put her under Chaotic Good |
| 14:07.19 | Hachiman | rite |
| 14:14.47 | drom | Castules. http://i.imgur.com/C4VZ6rx.jpg |
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| 14:21.37 | drom | Wormy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clLqaaGJJZ8 |
| 14:21.41 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 14:22.44 | Hachiman | Hai Ghel |
| 14:22.49 | Hachiman | ~give Ghelae a cookie |
| 14:22.49 | infobot | ACTION gives Ghelae a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up. |
| 14:23.05 | Ghelae | eats the cookie |
| 14:23.08 | Ghelae | ~give Hachiman a cookie |
| 14:23.08 | infobot | ACTION gives Hachiman a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up. |
| 14:23.13 | Hachiman | yey |
| 14:49.07 | AndroImpy | Hi |
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| 14:52.07 | Imperios | Hello! |
| 14:52.55 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 14:53.25 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman/Future Check over this, give suggestions for what he could have done in his history and give quotes pls |
| 14:55.09 | OluapWorker | hi |
| 14:56.14 | Imperios | rite |
| 14:58.28 | Imperios | I am trying to think who of my character would have lived to that period |
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| 15:00.41 | Hachiman | Well they wouldn't have to have lived to that period, they'd just have to have been around when Hachi starts making a name for himself across the Gigaquadrant |
| 15:01.56 | Imperios | Hm, acutally, Iovera |
| 15:02.42 | Hachiman | I mean Hachi's gonna be around 600,000 years in the future, that leaves a lot of space for people to comment on him hur |
| 15:02.58 | Imperios | Iovera could quote him... and speaking of history, I assume that they two could actually meet at one point to fend off a particularily large Mali'Nar plot |
| 15:03.26 | Hachiman | Aye sounds good |
| 15:10.28 | Imperios | Dere quoted |
| 15:11.21 | Hachiman | yey |
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| 15:25.49 | drom | Hello to the Yankees and Goose |
| 15:26.09 | MasterMachine | Hello |
| 15:26.13 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 15:26.46 | MasterMachine | Vincen20100: I'm going to (finally) do some work on the Invasion page lol |
| 15:26.57 | MasterMachine | #BttrL8ThanNvr P |
| 15:26.59 | MasterMachine | :P |
| 15:38.35 | Vincent20100 | Hey! |
| 15:38.47 | Vincent20100 | give a beer to Master. |
| 15:39.04 | Vincent20100 | Drom: Gooze = Canadian? |
| 15:43.04 | Wormy_away | drom: Data's eyes |
| 15:44.25 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: What conflicts and stories was Kalcedia involved in? |
| 15:45.02 | Wormy_away | drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfDNytYIUhk |
| 15:46.17 | Hachiman | OluapWorker, I mean |
| 15:46.21 | OluapWorker | Hachiman: Borealis War, Tantum, Ice Age |
| 15:46.28 | Hachiman | rite |
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| 16:03.09 | drom | welp, I'm transforming into a kill la kill weebaaboo |
| 16:03.15 | drom | Help meh, plz |
| 16:03.57 | drom | Wormy_away thanks, I'll look into it soon |
| 16:07.20 | MasterMachine | pushes drom deeper into the kill la kill pit of weeabooism |
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| 16:17.25 | MasterMachine | Hi Techno |
| 16:17.33 | MasterMachine | Also, belated, hi Ghel |
| 16:17.49 | Technobliterator | "Kalcedia Myran was created in a collaboration between Lucario of the Gods and Technobliterator, although the former user now retains absolute control over the character's actions and dialogue." |
| 16:17.51 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 16:18.12 | OluapWorker | dumba |
| 16:18.19 | Technobliterator | ya dad |
| 16:19.33 | MasterMachine | Vincenet20100 - I'm not done my section, but the last part of it will basically confirm that the Collective will be a wee bit busy and won't be conquering the rest of the Drenmarr at this time, allowing the APR to take their time. |
| 16:20.03 | MasterMachine | Basically the Collective is both rebuilding its fleet (openly) and in a sort of civil war in the underworld. |
| 16:20.05 | MasterMachine | Yay lol |
| 16:24.58 | Wormy_away | I meant |
| 16:26.30 | MasterMachine | lol |
| 16:26.41 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: You don't use her anymore hur |
| 16:26.52 | Technobliterator | well I mean, you can have her :o |
| 16:27.21 | drom | Vincent20100: Aye that's right. |
| 16:27.26 | Vincent20100 | Ok |
| 16:27.31 | Vincent20100 | tTechno! |
| 16:27.34 | Vincent20100 | Hi! |
| 16:27.53 | OluapWorker | spooked face :o |
| 16:28.19 | Technobliterator | yeah :o |
| 16:28.39 | Vincent20100 | Ok Master |
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| 16:33.16 | Monet | Hola |
| 16:33.18 | drom | Wormy_away: That video gave me a good chuckle |
| 16:33.23 | drom | Ciao |
| 16:34.09 | Monet | Drom: Okay... |
| 16:34.59 | drom | Ciao also means hello. If you don't know it already. |
| 16:36.46 | Monet | I know it's Italian for "bye" |
| 16:36.51 | MasterMachine | Sup. |
| 16:36.57 | Hachiman | Ciao means bye |
| 16:37.15 | Monet | Italian Hello = Bonjourno |
| 16:37.27 | MasterMachine | Ah, European languages... |
| 16:37.28 | MasterMachine | :P |
| 16:41.46 | Imperios | Monet: It's "bonjorno" actually |
| 16:42.08 | Imperios | I think |
| 16:42.38 | Imperios | ...wait, no |
| 16:42.40 | Imperios | It's "buon giorno" |
| 16:43.52 | Monet | I got the pronounciation right |
| 16:46.05 | Imperios | Ditto |
| 16:46.14 | Imperios | Yeah you did |
| 16:47.26 | Monet | Back in primary school I had a few years of learning Italian |
| 16:48.41 | Monet | I still know a bit luckily. |
| 16:49.55 | Monet | So its possible for me to say I knew how to speak Italian before Assassins Creed II. |
| 16:53.12 | MasterMachine | lol |
| 16:53.16 | Hachiman | Italian seems like a cool language |
| 16:53.34 | MasterMachine | It's the Language of Food :P |
| 16:53.36 | Hachiman | Even if it does sound typical of most European languages in that it "borrows" from others |
| 16:54.04 | Monet | Hachiman: It's because it's bastardised Latin |
| 16:56.01 | MasterMachine | This is going to make everyone who's from Europe angry, but I can only determine like 3 languages in Europe: English, German/Russian, and Everything Else. |
| 16:56.02 | MasterMachine | lol |
| 16:56.10 | MasterMachine | Just the way they sound |
| 16:56.17 | MasterMachine | So freakin similar -_- |
| 16:56.35 | Hachiman | Doesn't make me angry because I only know English |
| 16:56.41 | Hachiman | Also |
| 16:56.57 | Hachiman | >Implying Russia is shoved in with the rest of Europe |
| 16:57.15 | MasterMachine | No no |
| 16:57.22 | MasterMachine | I mean how Russian sounds similar to German |
| 16:57.23 | drom | the word "vodka" is shared anyway |
| 16:57.28 | MasterMachine | (to a murikan) |
| 16:57.34 | drom | bodka = vodka |
| 16:57.36 | drom | easy |
| 16:57.41 | MasterMachine | ... |
| 16:57.54 | Vincent20100 | Mmm... |
| 16:57.55 | Vincent20100 | Vodka... |
| 16:57.57 | Monet | Italian, French and Spanish are sort-of similar to each other because of their roots. |
| 16:58.02 | Vincent20100 | is suddenly thirsty. |
| 16:58.19 | MasterMachine | There's like the throaty sounds of russian/german, the sort of musical/vowely sounds of most other languages, and then English |
| 16:58.20 | MasterMachine | lol |
| 16:58.44 | Vincent20100 | FEED ME VODKA!!! |
| 16:59.00 | MasterMachine | hur |
| 16:59.09 | MasterMachine | gives Vincent a light beer. |
| 16:59.11 | MasterMachine | tehehe |
| 16:59.16 | MasterMachine | So close, so far. |
| 17:01.02 | MasterMachine | gtg, cya |
| 17:01.04 | drom | home-brewed stronk |
| 17:09.14 | Hachiman | I wonder; is it possible to use artificial gravity as a means of creating a black hole? |
| 17:11.37 | Technobliterator | it is |
| 17:11.42 | Technobliterator | if you make it collapse in on itself |
| 17:11.52 | Technobliterator | pretty sure it's inefficient though |
| 17:12.34 | Hachiman | What would be a more efficient means of creating a black hole? |
| 17:12.55 | Monet | Monopoles. |
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| 17:14.30 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 17:14.36 | Xho | u |
| 17:14.45 | Monet | Monopoles are heavy enough and their arrangements dense enough that a chain of monopoles that match in proportions and number of atoms to a single protein chain can be the size of an atom and weigh as much as an entire cell. |
| 17:14.49 | Monet | Hi |
| 17:15.37 | Monet | I think such microscopic black holes are described in fluff as one of the high-end means of artificia lgravity. |
| 17:16.45 | Hachiman | spu |
| 17:16.54 | Hachiman | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman/Future chek and gib quotes pls |
| 17:19.44 | Monet | THe only other form of a-grav I can really think of is centripedial force. |
| 17:19.51 | Wormy | .hi |
| 17:20.22 | Monet | There may be others but they either don't work so well with Fictionverse physics or they're explicitly godtech. |
| 17:21.15 | Monet | I'd say that theoretically its a fallacy that only stars are massive enough to form black holes. |
| 17:21.28 | drom | Episode 2 and 4 have to be my favorites so far. |
| 17:21.47 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189344 Somebody sort this out |
| 17:22.26 | Monet | For one by compressing the sun into a black hole you get a 3km wide black hole...which might not be very useful for a starship. |
| 17:23.33 | Imperios | Hachiman: "[20:53] <Hachiman> Even if it does sound typical of most European languages in that it "borrows" from others" Borrows, as in? |
| 17:24.25 | Hachiman | As it uses similar words to other European languages |
| 17:24.39 | Imperios | That's because they are related hur |
| 17:25.07 | Xho | I'm not sure whether Nu is still alive at that point |
| 17:25.16 | Xho | If he is he's surviving as an artificial intelligence |
| 17:25.29 | Imperios | Well actually it's mostly the Romance languages that are Latin-heavy, for obvious reasons |
| 17:25.50 | Imperios | Russian is quite different for example, and so is German if I am not mistaken |
| 17:27.01 | Hachiman | Well considering it's 600,000 years in the future that leaves a lot of room for people to comment, he is gonna become a demigod/god before everyone is dead you know hur |
| 17:30.23 | Xho | Hachiman: quoted |
| 17:30.26 | Imperios | And speaking of gods, can anyone give me a quote on Pheonas? |
| 17:31.00 | Hachiman | olol Santo |
| 17:31.05 | Hachiman | Imperios: Gimme page and I will |
| 17:31.16 | Imperios | As in, top quote |
| 17:31.30 | OluapWorker | "HEIL!" |
| 17:31.34 | Xho | "Multi-armed cunt." - Caligaduro |
| 17:32.26 | Imperios | Funny thing is, I actually gave quite a few Alhassans Jewish names |
| 17:40.03 | Monet | Hachiman: Tried answering |
| 17:40.36 | Imperios | MasterMachine: >[20:57] <MasterMachine> I mean how Russian sounds similar to German |
| 17:40.38 | Imperios | Wha |
| 17:40.40 | Imperios | No way |
| 17:40.45 | Imperios | We sound completely different |
| 17:41.00 | OluapWorker | Languages are Imp's trigger |
| 17:41.22 | Hachiman | olol |
| 17:41.39 | OluapWorker | and u go edit kalcedia paeg |
| 17:41.43 | Monet | They can be a source of nationalism :> |
| 17:41.49 | Imperios | Well I just started my linguistics course |
| 17:44.46 | Imperios | Germans aspirate consonants a lot (something Russians never do) and they pronounce "R" differently |
| 17:45.08 | drom | Accents man. |
| 17:45.11 | drom | Accents. |
| 17:45.52 | Imperios | ...Admittedly, Russian-accented English sounds a bit like German |
| 17:46.53 | drom | I wonder how Swedish accents sounds like for Amercians and English. |
| 17:48.49 | Monet | Usually the impresion is "Sveedish ooften soonds like dis" or something |
| 17:49.16 | Monet | Thank you Muppets for ingraining that on us all in UKSA. |
| 17:50.01 | Imperios | I think it's... not sure really |
| 17:50.37 | Imperios | I was in Sweden but I don't think I talked to Swedes much, that was quite a while ago AND I was mostly talking to immigrants |
| 17:51.11 | Imperios | My mom's relatives were immigrants so naturally I talked mostly to Arabs, Armenians etc |
| 17:51.32 | Imperios | Strangely, they weren't really that bad; quite nice, in fact :P |
| 17:52.07 | Imperios | I remembering meeting the Arab (or maybe just Muslim) girl called "Shahida" |
| 17:52.16 | Imperios | I said that's a beautiful name hur |
| 17:52.31 | drom | Aye. Immigrants have got nice names. |
| 17:53.01 | drom | My math teacher was named "Maha" and we often related her with "Mahahaha" |
| 17:53.12 | Imperios | Where is she from? |
| 17:53.34 | Hachiman | Earth :> |
| 17:53.52 | Imperios | Milky Way :> |
| 17:54.02 | drom | Libanon. If I recall correctly. |
| 17:54.43 | Imperios | Lebanon |
| 17:54.44 | Imperios | rite |
| 17:55.07 | Imperios | Wait, about "Shahida" |
| 17:55.18 | Imperios | Is the word "Shahid" used in English for any purposes? |
| 17:55.48 | drom | I often mistake Lebanon as a canadian state. Much due to the pine-like tree in middle of the flag. And colors. |
| 17:56.16 | Imperios | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Flag_of_Lebanon.svg/750px-Flag_of_Lebanon.svg.png Eh-lah eh-kbar! |
| 17:56.23 | Imperios | ...I am a horrible, horrible person. |
| 17:58.25 | drom | That's not the snackbar flag, you dumbo |
| 17:58.41 | Hachiman | No, we don't use "Shahid" for anything |
| 17:59.02 | Hachiman | "Shahid" isn't a word in our English |
| 17:59.55 | drom | Why do I see that name as "Jihad"? |
| 18:00.05 | drom | I must be a really terrible person. |
| 18:00.15 | Imperios | Ah |
| 18:00.22 | Imperios | In Russian "shahid" is pretty much synonymous to "suicide bomber" |
| 18:00.31 | Imperios | ...Which is why I said the name "Shahida" was beautiful |
| 18:01.04 | drom | Denying the dark truth? |
| 18:01.40 | Imperios | Well "shahid" means "martyr" in Arabic |
| 18:02.03 | drom | That's creepy. |
| 18:02.06 | Imperios | And as that's what Islamic terrorists want to portrays themselves as, the word stuck, at least in Russia |
| 18:03.20 | drom | I doubt if there's more immigrant names that has a very close relation to other words when literaly seen in the Swedish language. |
| 18:04.26 | drom | Imperios: I think we are the two and the only /pol/ warriors here. hur |
| 18:04.58 | Imperios | I visit /int/ more often |
| 18:05.08 | drom | I see. |
| 18:05.18 | drom | I rarely visit 4chan at all anyway. |
| 18:07.56 | Hachiman | So much for anonymous |
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| 18:09.51 | drom | netwrokt |
| 18:10.02 | Monet | http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Scuplture-of-Uriel-painted-481120495 FInally got around ot finishing this, really apologise for the grainy picture I didn't have my camera on me. |
| 18:11.10 | drom | Monet: Nice. How long did it take for you to work on it from sratch to the end? |
| 18:12.03 | Monet | drom: The model itself and an initial colour layer was made over the course of a day back when I was doing an art project. |
| 18:12.29 | Monet | I painted the armour and added a few extra layers of paint to his body earlier today |
| 18:12.29 | Wormy | Wonderful |
| 18:12.31 | drom | So it wasn't of a hard work then? |
| 18:13.06 | Imperios | Wow, he looks badass |
| 18:13.11 | Monet | Well the thing started off as a maquette so it wasn't supposed to be a masterpiece. |
| 18:14.21 | drom | Ah. I see. |
| 18:14.27 | drom | Good work on it though. |
| 18:14.36 | Monet | Thanks |
| 18:14.51 | Wormy | After watching Doctor Who which had Robin Hood I can't stop listening to medieval music. |
| 18:16.46 | Imperios | Wormy: I can show you a few good medieval themes |
| 18:16.59 | Xho | I do wonder what Kithworto is like in 600,000 years in the future |
| 18:17.05 | Xho | Well there's three routes |
| 18:17.17 | OluapWorker | Cute kitten, cute puppy, cute chick |
| 18:17.41 | Xho | Kithworto is still existent as a Kicath, succumbing to his nature as a Xi'Arazulha or ascending to a Vi'Navitum state |
| 18:18.18 | Wormy | Yes please Imperios |
| 18:18.28 | Xho | He wouldn't exactly be like the archetypal Xi'Arazulha, more like a bent view thinking that the universe is safer under his (albeit intense) control |
| 18:18.29 | Wormy | I've been to this a few times http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Tomb_of_Little_John_14-04-06.jpg |
| 18:18.35 | Imperios | Wormy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9U5NKn5Yes&list=LLVgk3MXpU_EN_qzFHEbMfCg&index=5 Seventh Son |
| 18:18.39 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a1rQtyk5Q&list=LLVgk3MXpU_EN_qzFHEbMfCg&index=10 Dry Top |
| 18:18.48 | Hachiman | y not ascended xi'arazulha/vi'navitum hybreed |
| 18:19.19 | Xho | Well he's pretty much one now |
| 18:19.21 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9lV48c7vYw The Varangians (that one I especially like because it's about the Viking founders of Russia) |
| 18:19.28 | Xho | So either remains a hybrid or swings completely one way or the other |
| 18:19.46 | Wormy | Its good Imperios |
| 18:20.00 | Xho | Considering he came into existence and has remained longer a Xi'Arazulha he's more likely to shift that way but it would take a lot for him to insane |
| 18:20.09 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJR7DbkZHNY&list=UU87ZzP3z2vlmj70FJFVfocA Also here's some Celtic music |
| 18:20.16 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVRK78JLzA&list=UU87ZzP3z2vlmj70FJFVfocA&index=14 |
| 18:20.37 | Monet | Xho: Sounds like he might question the Star Dragons |
| 18:21.00 | Imperios | Also, remember that Black Temple music you liked? |
| 18:21.06 | Wormy | yes |
| 18:21.11 | Wormy | I like Varangians |
| 18:21.15 | Xho | I think there's a lot he'd question by the time his current incarnation is 600,000 years old |
| 18:21.47 | Wormy | Imperios: Greensleeves with a celtic flute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8xvFP6boA |
| 18:22.32 | Xho | I'd imagine being more or less the only Essential individual to exist among the universe as both a good and evil incarnation for 1.2 million years by that point |
| 18:22.52 | Xho | Does make me wonder whether Kithworto even feels the span of time as mortals do |
| 18:22.55 | Imperios | Wormy: Blizzard is going to make a WoW expansion where they will reintroduce Black Temple so they remade that music |
| 18:22.56 | Imperios | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.32 | Wormy | I still think it makes a good Grox theme |
| 18:24.16 | Imperios | Well that particular remake isn't a very good Grox theme, it's too peaceful |
| 18:24.25 | Wormy | true |
| 18:24.53 | Wormy | I meant, I'd still lsten to Black Temple if writing about the Grox |
| 18:25.19 | Imperios | Basically (I will try to explain WoW lore to you) the Black Temple was once home to a religious magitek race but then it eventually it was seized by a demon warlord |
| 18:25.57 | Monet | Xho: The Star Dragons' desire is to uplift as many "primitive" civilisations as they can and see themselves as guardians of life and exemplars of civilisation. |
| 18:26.04 | Wormy | Its the "fallen" vibed in BT that goes so well I think |
| 18:26.14 | Imperios | However the next expansion will show that place back when it wasn't demonic, hence the more peaceful theme |
| 18:26.23 | Xho | Monet: The Vi'Navitum probably wouldn't like that very much |
| 18:26.29 | Monet | By 600KAD they've gone as far as to isolate Segmentum Draco fro mthe rest of the universe |
| 18:26.46 | Xho | Kithworto - r u bluds dum |
| 18:27.08 | Monet | Star Dragons - 2 much ignorance in this reality |
| 18:27.50 | Wormy | Imperios: Have you listed to Wardruna? |
| 18:27.59 | Imperios | No |
| 18:28.19 | Wormy | Right, I'll fetch it, its based on Norse runes |
| 18:28.23 | drom | Angrybirds: Ya awake? |
| 18:28.51 | Wormy | Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak0ZmAvAyB8 |
| 18:29.14 | Wormy | Is evoked a Viking poltegeist in my room once |
| 18:29.25 | Imperios | Hm |
| 18:29.32 | Imperios | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Ree9HD9rs Speaking of WoW music, try this |
| 18:29.32 | Wormy | that threw stuff across the room |
| 18:29.32 | Xho | The Vi'Navitum are more inclined to let reality take its course so interfering with the universe' natural order is going to tick them off |
| 18:29.39 | Imperios | Monet should listen to that too |
| 18:29.45 | Xho | universe's* |
| 18:30.14 | Imperios | Wormy: Thank God I live on former Finnish land hur |
| 18:30.28 | Wormy | lol |
| 18:30.32 | Imperios | I'll just get Finnish ghosts who'll drink vodka and stuff |
| 18:31.07 | drom | Imperios does the locals say "perkele"? |
| 18:31.17 | Monet | Dragons - But civilisation is order! |
| 18:31.27 | Imperios | drom: Emphasis on *former* |
| 18:31.31 | Wormy | Derbyshire had viking history, it was the site where the Viking Berserker at Stanford Bridge he;d off the Saxons until one went on a barrel underneath and skewered him |
| 18:31.54 | Wormy | *Stamford |
| 18:31.58 | drom | Imperios: I know right, but I wondered if the culture still stay alive. |
| 18:32.27 | Wormy | Actually, no that was Yorkshire |
| 18:32.40 | Wormy | The two counties have rivers na\med the same |
| 18:33.12 | Imperios | drom: Nah, there were few Finns living there anyway and most of them are gone; besides, Saint-Petersburg was essentially built from scratch |
| 18:33.43 | Imperios | Saint-Petersburg's culture is pretty much Russian, but more European and sophisticated |
| 18:34.21 | Imperios | Hence the Italian architecture, the German name and the British weather |
| 18:34.28 | drom | I see. |
| 18:34.57 | drom | That's why it's the most friendly place of Russia hur |
| 18:35.23 | Imperios | Not sure if most friendly, but probably most tolerant |
| 18:35.52 | Imperios | One teenage guy from camp was outright *shocked* by the fact that we do not mind gay people here |
| 18:36.51 | Wormy | Speaking of weather, its like an Indian Summer where I live |
| 18:37.01 | Imperios | Indian summer? |
| 18:37.24 | drom | Boiling hot days |
| 18:37.26 | Wormy | I love the golden light, since the leaves are starting to turn and all the grass is yellow. Its a weird feeling |
| 18:37.31 | drom | And then comes the day-long rains |
| 18:37.38 | Imperios | Is that the English version of our "woman summer"? (as in, warm autumn) |
| 18:38.01 | Wormy | Indian summer is like summer weather in September and October. Its used to be rare but now its more common I think |
| 18:38.55 | Xho | I dunno why we say Indian summer when an Indian summer here constitutes as anything higher than 21 C |
| 18:39.01 | Xho | Summers in India go up t like 45 C |
| 18:39.03 | Xho | *to |
| 18:39.13 | Imperios | As I said |
| 18:39.22 | Imperios | We call it "Women's Summer" in Russia |
| 18:39.25 | Imperios | Try to explain that |
| 18:39.39 | Wormy | It might be a reference to the days of Empire, either to Native Americans or Indians |
| 18:40.16 | Wormy | Maybe people returning from Colonial India called an autumn heat wave "Indian" as a reminder |
| 18:41.22 | drom | fuck it, I'm going to watch Kill la Kill again. |
| 18:42.44 | Wormy | Hm, it can't be an Indian Summer, its just Summer |
| 18:42.57 | Wormy | Since an Indian Summer must occur after frost settles |
| 18:44.03 | Xho | Let's just say it's too warm for September |
| 18:44.28 | Wormy | Imperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRLRm9oKUM |
| 18:46.29 | Wormy | Hm, if we got Infinity and/or No Man's Sky, would we play together and extend the fiction universe with it? |
| 18:47.18 | Imperios | Would be cool |
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| 18:47.37 | OluapWorker_ | Dangit |
| 18:48.26 | Wormy | I wanted to create a fiction when we played Minecraft on the original server, my nation being a simulated prison |
| 18:50.53 | OluapWorker_ | ;nick OluapWorker |
| 18:50.56 | OluapWorker_ | non |
| 18:57.03 | Wormy | http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/03/milky-way-laniakea-galaxy-supercluster-immeasurable-heaven |
| 19:01.33 | Wormy | Laniakea...Galactic IKEA |
| 19:15.38 | Wormy | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26156-weird-creatures-may-be-relics-from-dawn-of-animal-life.html?full=true#.VA3_DvldV8E |
| 19:16.28 | Wormy | Reminds me of the Ediacaran Fauna, I wonder if it is a relative. |
| 19:16.59 | Wormy | of the possibly failed kingdom |
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| 19:22.20 | Xho | yus |
| 19:23.47 | Hachiman | brb dinner |
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| 19:29.45 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
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| 20:02.23 | Xho | Hm |
| 20:02.27 | Xho | ded IRC is ded |
| 20:05.45 | OluapWorker | u ded |
| 20:08.45 | Hachiman | Back |
| 20:08.54 | OluapWorker | hai |
| 20:14.14 | Hachiman | http://i1.wp.com/www.cringechannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/10403080_244168755780488_7446159082501390352_n.png?resize=600%2C590 |
| 20:14.37 | Xho | Only in America |
| 20:14.46 | OluapWorker | Oh wow |
| 20:17.34 | Wormy | Americans need to listen their own music more often https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A74Wq0B1WrI |
| 20:20.39 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1546045_1482199998696652_3415007348322883075_n.jpg?oh=aa0fd59dc2cfcd7597f2c9b487101e03&oe=548D46A4&__gda__=1420143736_5b4cf2d042510c554aa23182b0ff43bf WEll |
| 20:21.00 | Xho | OluapWorker: Updated quotes on Son |
| 20:21.31 | Xho | I'm gonna redo Kamik'Shi's page I think |
| 20:22.03 | OluapWorker | Kamik'Shi - SON Sonhadromerith - UR NOT MY REAL DAD |
| 20:22.11 | Xho | If someone would be so kind to lend me a quote to put on top of the page for Kamik |
| 20:22.35 | Xho | OluapWorker: Sonhadromerith - YOU KILLED MY FATHER Santorakh - yes i am also ur father Sonhadromerith: :wat: |
| 20:23.13 | OluapWorker | Sonhadromerith - dis tea tastes like cheese Santorakh - of course idiot |
| 20:23.22 | Xho | olol |
| 20:23.44 | Wormy | Diarrhoea apocalypse - someone rockets into orbit showering and drowning the Earth |
| 20:23.55 | Xho | Lovely imagery |
| 20:24.56 | Wormy | The beauty of life and death |
| 20:25.16 | OluapWorker | I could try and make a quote for Kamik but not now, I'm busy with work |
| 20:25.23 | Hachiman | I'll try and come up with one |
| 20:25.25 | Xho | I wonder whether there's a term to describe Chaos completely reduced to its origin |
| 20:25.33 | OluapWorker | Yeah you're better at this than me hur |
| 20:25.45 | OluapWorker | "Santorakh's Night Club" |
| 20:25.59 | Xho | Santorakh - population: cheese |
| 20:26.27 | OluapWorker | Xhodocto were cheese all along |
| 20:28.08 | Xho | Nihilist's Cradle I'll give as a name |
| 20:28.20 | Xho | Basically Nihilist's Cradle is the state of existence of where absolutely nothing exists |
| 20:28.58 | OluapWorker | Santorakh - no cheese there horrid place |
| 20:29.40 | Xho | So basically the complete absence of reality, dimension, maths, logic, literally everything |
| 20:30.54 | OluapWorker | That's where Santorakh keeps Volim when he refuses to eat his food |
| 20:31.24 | Xho | If it was actually possible for Santorakh to do that |
| 20:31.42 | Xho | Anything relating to Nihilist's Crade is actually impossible for the Xhodocto to do |
| 20:32.00 | OluapWorker | So they have no power over it? |
| 20:32.21 | Xho | Well, Nihilist's Cradle is the state of existence *before* Chaos |
| 20:32.34 | Xho | Chaos is the state of existence of everything and nothing at once |
| 20:32.46 | Xho | Nihilist's Cradle is the complete and utter lack of existence |
| 20:33.32 | OluapWorker | 2deep |
| 20:33.36 | OluapWorker | What's the purpose of this? |
| 20:33.36 | Xho | The Xhodocto come from this state of existence but as Wormy said not even they truly understand it |
| 20:33.55 | Hachiman | "In times such as ours, there is much dispute as to whether fundamental opposites exist. Love and hate. Black and white. Matter and antimatter. ... But. Opposites, counterparts, equivalents, none of it applies to the '''truth'''. The same truth we seek to deny ourselves so that we can sleep comfortably. Opposition is not fundamental, not everything has an equal aspect. [cont] |
| 20:33.57 | Hachiman | "Sometimes, just sometimes, there is unequaled power. Sometimes, there is no equivalent exchange. At the base of it all - the root, you could say - everything is defied. Everything you know about; love, hate, matter, antimatter, black and white, emotions, colours, life, DEATH, ALL OF IT! ... All of it breaks down. At the start, and in the end... there's only the truth. '''Chaos'''." |
| 20:34.17 | Xho | For them to understand that state of existence they wouldn't be able to exist in the first place |
| 20:34.51 | Xho | dis gud quote well dun |
| 20:35.29 | Xho | In a way, Kamik'Shi represents the concept of the Xhodocto that the Xhodocto rarely ever explain themselves |
| 20:35.47 | Xho | Which is that incomprehensibly dark and complex part of them |
| 20:36.25 | Hachiman | Kamik'Shi - u dunt understand me universe, its nawt a phase |
| 20:36.27 | Xho | The Xhodocto as we know them in a way are just shadows on the wall, what actually casts the shadows is something a lot more unknown than that |
| 20:36.32 | OluapWorker | hur |
| 20:37.36 | Xho | I'd ought to actually give a more generalised term to that concept rather than Kamik'Shi since Kamik'Shi means a few different things |
| 20:38.06 | OluapWorker | This reminds me of something we need to do for the Fog War |
| 20:38.16 | OluapWorker | The section where the Corruptus align themselves to the Xhodocto |
| 20:38.20 | Xho | rite |
| 20:38.30 | OluapWorker | Not now I mean |
| 20:38.34 | OluapWorker | Saturday probably |
| 20:38.52 | Xho | rite |
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| 20:41.19 | Xho | There's not a word in the English language that can actually define this |
| 20:41.51 | Xho | It's bordering on the stage where people go mad in trying to define it in one word |
| 20:43.31 | Xho | No I can't do this |
| 20:43.37 | Xho | I just can't put it into one term |
| 20:43.51 | Hachiman | The "shadows on the wall" analogy? |
| 20:45.00 | Xho | Yeah but how would you define what casts the shadow |
| 20:45.04 | Xho | In one word |
| 20:45.33 | OluapWorker | Gorf |
| 20:45.42 | Hachiman | That is quite tough actually |
| 20:46.16 | OluapWorker | yeah I got nothing |
| 20:49.53 | Xho | Not even any philosophy touches on this matter |
| 20:50.07 | Xho | Not as absolutely as this does |
| 20:50.45 | Xho | For once in the entirety of trying to explain what the Xhodocto are, I've actually hit the roof on what I can explain |
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| 20:51.35 | Monet | I'd say that's a good sign. |
| 20:51.46 | Xho | Wormy_cooking: I've hit the absolute mental and metaphysical roof of all nihilistic explanation |
| 20:51.55 | Wormy_cooking | The flavour fugue continues |
| 20:52.05 | Wormy_cooking | Oh? My interest is pqued? |
| 20:52.10 | Monet | You've always wanted ot make the Xhodocto something that was beyond explaination. |
| 20:52.10 | OluapWorker | Cooking until 2AM again |
| 20:52.29 | Wormy_cooking | Nope, only at 22:00 and it won't take me long |
| 20:52.41 | Xho | You know we were talking about the idea that the Xhodocto cannot understand the truth of Chaos while they themselves exist |
| 20:52.50 | Wormy_cooking | Yeah? |
| 20:53.08 | Xho | Well I came up with this theoretical concept of absolute and complete nothingness, without the Xhodocto |
| 20:53.22 | Wormy_cooking | How does that work? |
| 20:53.43 | Xho | Well, it can't happen by any account |
| 20:54.17 | Xho | It evolves into the idea that the Xhodocto are the only thing to have come from this absolute and complete nothingness and therefore have identity and simultaneously the whole concept of Chaos comes in |
| 20:54.32 | Xho | Though the Xhodocto in that sense are shadows on the wall from this complete nothingness |
| 20:54.41 | Xho | What I can't describe is what casts this shadow |
| 20:55.00 | Xho | Kamik'Shi is technically the concept but I can't give a definition of Kamik'Shi |
| 20:55.43 | Wormy_cooking | Sounds like Monadology |
| 20:56.30 | Wormy_cooking | One becomes two, but two does not xist without a one |
| 20:56.35 | Technobliterator | I think I'll reopen the space exploration discussion when people are more chill and more available for it |
| 20:56.51 | Technobliterator | otherwise, someone else can do it |
| 20:56.54 | Xho | And what if one doesn't exist? |
| 20:57.31 | Technobliterator | then two is never conceptualized to begin with and thus obsolete :o |
| 20:57.38 | Wormy_cooking | Well, what if something and nothing are really the same? Physics comes to that conclusion sometimes |
| 20:57.54 | Xho | Well disregard physics entirely at this stage |
| 20:58.15 | Wormy_cooking | That would be solipsism |
| 20:58.32 | Xho | The whole metaphysical concept behind Chaos and all existence being a dream of the Xhodocto, and then what exactly is the identity of this dreamer |
| 20:58.46 | Xho | If the Xhodocto are just representations of the dreamer |
| 21:00.07 | Wormy_cooking | Now it sounds like the Mind-Body problem - where is the connection between mental and physical, in my opinion there isn't a duality |
| 21:00.20 | Wormy_cooking | the duality is our common sense perception |
| 21:00.26 | Xho | Well, we're human |
| 21:00.33 | Xho | The Xhodocto are the Xhodocto |
| 21:00.39 | Wormy_cooking | but common sense is in-adequate to deal with reality |
| 21:00.44 | Xho | We're talking about something that the Xhodocto don't even understand |
| 21:00.58 | Technobliterator | oooh solipsism |
| 21:01.17 | Xho | It's like saying that God is actually a shadow cast by something greater-than-God |
| 21:01.32 | Xho | Though the shadow and God are one of the same being |
| 21:01.56 | Xho | I mean the shadow and the thing that casts it |
| 21:02.28 | Wormy_cooking | What I'm saying is Xho, is asking whether there is a duality or not. Just because the Xhodocto perceive a duality, doesn't mean it is so |
| 21:03.07 | Monet | Same way its easy to call the Xhodocto evil |
| 21:03.36 | Monet | They're evil in the same way nature to the classical-era man is evil really. |
| 21:04.05 | Xho | I don't see the Xhodocto perceiving duality in a general sense |
| 21:04.25 | Xho | Whilst they recognise that there's order among nothingness they see the order is from such nothingness |
| 21:05.44 | Hachiman | So order is a shadow cast by Chaos/Xhodocto which in turn are a shadow themselves |
| 21:05.52 | Xho | Yes |
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| 21:06.48 | Wormy_cooking | Reminds me of inconsistency on logic. As soon as logic argues with itself, it collapses into the cavern of inconsistency. There can be no metalogic to solve an inconstent problem, because that would require a meta meta logic, ad infinitum |
| 21:06.52 | Xho | Perhaps I just can't explain something anything behind the Xhodocto |
| 21:06.55 | Knight_Dinning | Hi |
| 21:07.29 | Wormy_cooking | Similarly, the Xhodocto meaning escapes any system they can be put in |
| 21:08.49 | Xho | It's something I can't explain that's for sure |
| 21:09.21 | Xho | Chaos is "alpha, omega, infinity and zero all at once in collision" but what do you describe when all of those things are taken away including the substance of Chaos itself |
| 21:09.31 | drom | This Nui thing really annoys me |
| 21:09.43 | Wormy_cooking | This explains what I said earlier better about nothing and something being the same http://nautil.us/issue/16/nothingness/the-bridge-from-nowhere |
| 21:09.54 | Wormy_cooking | if it interests you |
| 21:10.08 | Hachiman | drom: It annoys everyone |
| 21:10.45 | drom | Her speech is just simply is "lol u mad, get mad trolololo" |
| 21:11.08 | Hachiman | Gamagoori is best husbando |
| 21:11.33 | Wormy_cooking | Xho: None tl'drversion http://pastie.org/private/f0pxb6fpmtnkpyieru6aq |
| 21:11.40 | Xho | But even in that article it's still describing nothingness narratively as containing something |
| 21:11.48 | drom | dem chavs. demn abs. demn triceps |
| 21:13.07 | drom | Hachiman: I bet that his sweat is tasty |
| 21:13.14 | Hachiman | Xho Wormy_cooking Monet: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1479490_628917073822153_91231249_n.jpg?oh=a2de510f6aa930ab06eda234463d9fa3&oe=5498633F&__gda__=1419062317_ef4bb5b57d41f542ab7a3d522c01da14 |
| 21:13.19 | Xho | I don't think what I'm trying to get at can be totally imagined |
| 21:13.33 | Wormy_cooking | aye |
| 21:13.44 | Monet | Hachiman: Its him that's the problem yeah. |
| 21:13.49 | Wormy_cooking | like Zen or Incompleteness |
| 21:13.50 | Monet | Cut Clegg some slack. |
| 21:14.24 | Monet | Although I have little opinion of Ed Miliband. |
| 21:14.27 | Xho | I called the concept of this state of complete nothingness 'Nihilist's Cradle' though it's instantly acknowledged as something impossible since the Xhodocto already exist |
| 21:15.11 | drom | I think I'm set on that Naakji will have international corporations. |
| 21:15.37 | Xho | With the Xhodocto comes Chaos and with Chaos comes defiance of metaphysics and then with that comes the adherence of all logic and exo-omniversal infrastructures that such things like string theory would adhere to |
| 21:16.13 | Wormy_cooking | This is a cognitive dissonance or contradiction I guess, The Western philosophers reject contradiction, the Eastern ones embrace them by "unasking", I suppose its up to you to choose a path when writing about them |
| 21:16.22 | Monet | I'm not sure how well capitalism and a policy of neutrality mix. |
| 21:16.30 | Xho | This is beyond difficult |
| 21:16.47 | drom | Monet: Those are only for external trading. |
| 21:16.49 | Xho | Nihilist's Cradle is this impossible thing that something has existed or originated from |
| 21:17.27 | Technobliterator | Xho, is it Legion of the Deathmarch or Dominion of the Xhodocto you'd rather refer to them as now? :o |
| 21:17.34 | Wormy_cooking | It might help id you reject some of these constraining ideas out right. Its only your guess that chaos > Metaphysics > physics. But in my view, these things can't be reduced or distilled in a hierachy, it doesn't work |
| 21:17.38 | Xho | Dominion...for the past god-knows-how-long |
| 21:17.55 | Technobliterator | it says both in the navbox title |
| 21:18.00 | Technobliterator | it should probably only say one? |
| 21:18.15 | Monet | drom: International branches must be combined with some degree of diplomacy. In most nations international firms must have their branches pay local tax and get trading permits. |
| 21:18.22 | Xho | Yes |
| 21:18.26 | Xho | Well Chaos in itself is not a constrained idea as we know |
| 21:18.34 | Xho | Since the way it's been described |
| 21:19.07 | drom | Monet: Aye. That's why they will start from their own homeland. |
| 21:19.21 | Wormy_cooking | For example, logic is not above physics, quite the opposite, quantum physics defies classical logic. However, science, philosophy etc cannot be seperated and exist as related domains that aren't reducible |
| 21:19.43 | Monet | drom: Okay so they will start by selling internationally then working their way into setting up international branches? |
| 21:19.56 | Wormy_cooking | For example, epistemology can apply to aesthetics as much as the scientific mehod |
| 21:20.28 | drom | Monet: The purpose of the corporation is to create a font and increase the service availability. |
| 21:21.10 | Wormy_cooking | test |
| 21:21.10 | Monet | drom: If you want to expand the Naakji's sphere of economic influence might I suggest they consider joining this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AGigaquadrantic_Intergalactic_Trade_Organization |
| 21:21.31 | Wormy_cooking | Anyway, I just continue with melodies and fugues of flavour |
| 21:21.34 | Monet | if not, well, there's always trying to compete with GITO business. |
| 21:21.43 | drom | I'll consider. |
| 21:22.06 | Wormy_composing | I think I'm more of a composer than a cook in that respect |
| 21:22.23 | drom | GITO stronger. Or face a new "enemy". Or stay out and be available for all, no matter what. |
| 21:22.35 | Xho | Well basically speaking Chaos is a complete smack in the face to metaphysics/physics whatever since its a nihilistic take on it |
| 21:23.00 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator/Navbox/Xhodbox |
| 21:23.05 | Monet | drom: "face a new "enemy""? You mean the DCP? |
| 21:23.15 | Xho | Perhaps even that basis of Chaos can't be explained let alone something that Chaos comes from |
| 21:23.17 | Technobliterator | I'm considering moving this to Fiction:Dominion of the Xhodocto/Nav |
| 21:23.19 | Technobliterator | anyone oppose? |
| 21:23.33 | Xho | Me |
| 21:23.37 | Technobliterator | ok |
| 21:23.39 | Technobliterator | why? |
| 21:23.52 | Xho | Because I don't want to exist as a subpage to a fiction page |
| 21:23.55 | Xho | Doesn't sound right in my head |
| 21:24.06 | Xho | Especially as a navbox template |
| 21:24.11 | Technobliterator | well, it doesn't really make a difference :o |
| 21:24.21 | Xho | I know but still |
| 21:24.23 | drom | Monet: I was exaggerating. But more or less, a competitor. Or worse if possible. |
| 21:24.29 | Technobliterator | but I get what you mean |
| 21:24.49 | Technobliterator | we don't tend to do that, we either throw them in userspace or someplace random |
| 21:24.57 | Xho | Wormy_composing: I think Chaos is a complete denial and manipulation of what we know, explaining that in itself is somewhat irrational and impossible |
| 21:25.17 | Monet | drom: Problem is GITO kind-of dominates the economic scene in Andromeda, the MW, the Quadrants free-trade zone and Bunsen |
| 21:25.30 | Xho | Trying to explain something existentially less than Chaos itself is an even more impossible task |
| 21:25.46 | drom | Monet: True, but not every products are the same. |
| 21:26.11 | Monet | I think you're missing something |
| 21:26.51 | Monet | There are probably hundreds of corproations in GITO already, each one of -them- selling competing products. |
| 21:27.53 | Xho | The fact that like we said, Chaos is all and nothing at once in collision and an infinite divergence and convergence of all possibility, taking away all of those already theoretical components just creates existential impossibility rather than nothingness |
| 21:28.18 | Monet | So even if not every product is the same, you still get a broad variety when you trade with GITO affiliates. |
| 21:29.19 | Xho | Then again trying to explain something that even the Xhodocto view as impossible is already a failed task |
| 21:29.32 | drom | I see. |
| 21:30.16 | Xho | I think the fact we were trying to relate it to already established philosophical theories tended to invalidate the idea since existential philosophy seems to be based all upon something rather than nothing |
| 21:30.22 | Monet | drom: Capitalism can be a real bastard entity soemtimes. |
| 21:30.30 | Monet | Its often a case of wh oyou know too. |
| 21:30.44 | Monet | who you know* |
| 21:31.06 | Xho | Trying to explain absolute nothing with an absolute something is impossible |
| 21:31.52 | Xho | In a way it's a completely unaffiliated concept with existentialism as a result since it's a complete denial of existentialism in any form |
| 21:32.14 | drom | The anarchic ideology is ultimateiy conflicting the idea of money and capitalism. So it's also a bastard to find a way and setup an international affair in economics. |
| 21:33.06 | Monet | EVE Online is probably the closest i've experienced to the real corproate world. |
| 21:33.43 | Xho | So, conclusively, the idea of Nihilist's Cradle cannot be explained |
| 21:34.52 | drom | Too bad that it's ideology on ships' lifetimes being a terrible concept imo. |
| 21:35.31 | Monet | drom: For who? |
| 21:35.53 | drom | Those who have to grind to get better ships. |
| 21:36.01 | drom | And risk their lives. |
| 21:36.48 | drom | The concept is realistic. But it just pisses on the bonfires lit by people who worked hard on the progress. |
| 21:37.25 | Monet | Life isn't fair. |
| 21:37.59 | Monet | Is that why the Naakji went though a period of buying other ships' designs? |
| 21:38.11 | drom | That, and the monthly fees scares me away from playing that MMO game. |
| 21:38.33 | Monet | Oh wait you moved to talking about EVE |
| 21:38.59 | drom | Yeah. |
| 21:39.22 | Monet | Its countered by those who can earn good money fast. |
| 21:39.39 | Monet | Once you've built up your income infrastructure, just buy a new ship |
| 21:39.50 | drom | It still promotes grinding for me. |
| 21:41.02 | Monet | I'm not normalyl of this attitude but...that definitely isn't the EVE mindset. |
| 21:41.52 | drom | The game is amazing, has many great concepts. But there's downsides that removes my taste and interest to play it. |
| 21:42.40 | Monet | Don't worry, the phrase "EVE is my favourite game that I don't play" is common. |
| 21:43.29 | drom | I'm kinda more of the "get the job done - get an steady income - manage it - relax and do the managing" person |
| 21:44.16 | drom | Typicaly corporate owners. You know. |
| 21:44.36 | Monet | Not getting your hands dirty? |
| 21:44.48 | Monet | Well there's always "buy low sell high" |
| 21:45.15 | drom | Almost the cookie clicker ideology. |
| 21:45.23 | Monet | I know of some people who buy goods cheap in the frontier then ship it to sell for a mint in exchnage hubs like Jita. |
| 21:45.29 | drom | Do the dirty work, get some assistance, then let the others do the rest |
| 21:45.46 | Monet | You might like Planetary Interaction. |
| 21:46.56 | drom | management, but I don't really like to dive in complex management |
| 21:47.19 | Monet | Find planet -> set up industry chain -> leave to run for a day -> pick up products -> sell in Jita |
| 21:48.03 | drom | For an instance, I usually main Venice in CIV5. Because the low upkeep threshold. |
| 21:48.38 | drom | I mean, the celling. |
| 21:49.34 | Monet | So you are the "buy everything" type |
| 21:49.54 | drom | Hustler/collector type too. |
| 21:49.58 | Monet | Theoretically EVE is supposed to be as open to opportunity as possible. |
| 21:50.23 | Monet | So one can become a manager or a trade mogul |
| 21:50.43 | Hachiman | I'm gonna watch Robbaz' "Project Asgard" KSP videos |
| 21:50.51 | drom | So even the income can cover the fees? |
| 21:50.51 | Hachiman | I should really make a Nordic-inspired race hur |
| 21:53.04 | Monet | drom: You mean subscription fees? |
| 21:53.19 | drom | Yup. |
| 21:53.35 | Monet | Yeah, but people like that we're not talking carebears. |
| 21:53.53 | Xho | Oh god I'm looking at this price list for this guitar manufacturer |
| 21:54.01 | Xho | Their most expensive bass guitar is $11,700 |
| 21:56.25 | Monet | Drom: SOme people TRADE game time cards |
| 21:56.46 | drom | I know. |
| 21:57.05 | Monet | Although its like drug-running: Immensely lucrative but dangerous to the point of insanity. |
| 21:57.15 | Monet | And its always across boarders |
| 21:57.52 | drom | But I'm unfortunatly not that kind of person that would dive in a MMO version. |
| 21:58.05 | Monet | Fair enough |
| 21:59.33 | drom | http://imgur.com/gallery/EoIvS |
| 22:03.44 | drom | Monet: Otherwise, this one is available anyway. http://www.bigblockgames.com/games/blackmarkethd/ |
| 22:05.07 | Monet | But back to your original idea. |
| 22:06.25 | Monet | It might sound unambitious but you might be better off sying local at first with this "international corproations" thing |
| 22:06.41 | Monet | Or make yourself enticing by offering goods made by cheap labour |
| 22:09.01 | Monet | Starting off big puts you potentially in competition with corporations in the Orion League, NTZU and the AGC. |
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| 22:09.50 | drom | "sying local"? |
| 22:09.53 | drom | Starting local? |
| 22:10.06 | Monet | I meant to say starting local yes |
| 22:11.23 | drom | The corporates are de facto governmental |
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| 22:11.40 | Monet | No I mean starting in your local region of space |
| 22:12.24 | Monet | Right now...you're a small-ish fish in a positively gigantic pond. |
| 22:12.26 | drom | Yeah. I understood but I tried to add a more fact that the corporates are though to be de-facto government-controlled. |
| 22:14.00 | drom | Soon the fish becomes too big for the pond. He shall groweth in the sea, then in the ocean. |
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| 22:15.25 | Monet | Or you could do what Japan does: Take concepts from other countries, give then the Naakji spin then sell them back as "exotic" and "foreign" based on the Naakji's defensive nature. |
| 22:15.31 | Monet | Japan and China* |
| 22:15.33 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, evevrybody |
| 22:15.36 | Monet | Hi |
| 22:15.49 | DrodoEmpire | Hi |
| 22:16.22 | Monet | Ah wait I just remembered that most of the 1st gig's economic giants are pretty diverse anyway. |
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| 22:16.52 | Monet | So the Japan-attraction angle might nto work because it will come off as "yet another foreign culture to buy from" |
| 22:17.01 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: Either this is going horribly right or Ming are OP as hell. O.o |
| 22:17.07 | drom | lol, it's kind of a cheap move. But it adds more variety to the pool. I consider them builidng everything from scratch based on the concept with the help of the best available experience and knowledge. |
| 22:17.15 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Uh oh. |
| 22:17.18 | DrodoEmpire | What's happening? |
| 22:17.40 | DrodoEmpire | I can tell you for a fact, however that Ming have been nerfed into the ground since the game's release. XD |
| 22:17.51 | DrodoEmpire | Which sort of makes it more historically accurate, too. |
| 22:18.13 | drom | DrodoEmpire TekDroid: Ya talking about Total War 2? |
| 22:18.22 | DrodoEmpire | Nope |
| 22:18.24 | DrodoEmpire | EUIV |
| 22:18.27 | Technobliterator | Monet, when is Civ: Beyond Earth meant to be released? |
| 22:18.29 | drom | Aah. |
| 22:18.51 | Monet | DrodoEmpire: China - *bans the expansion to EUIV* |
| 22:18.57 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:19.09 | drom | Technobliterator: 24th October |
| 22:19.11 | TekDroid | Day 1 I released everything, and since then I've gone bankrupt 3 times; insulted, embargoed and DoW on just about everyone I could, disbanded all my units, and I'm still winning all four wars. |
| 22:19.12 | DrodoEmpire | Well it is illegal in China because it shows Tibet as... Well, |
| 22:19.14 | DrodoEmpire | Existing. |
| 22:19.16 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 22:19.16 | Technobliterator | 24th? :o |
| 22:19.23 | Technobliterator | so it's pretty close to my birthday then |
| 22:19.26 | drom | Hur |
| 22:19.29 | Technobliterator | well, I can ask for that as a present afterall |
| 22:19.33 | Technobliterator | is excited as fuuuuck |
| 22:19.41 | drom | That's what the official Fraxis' website says about it. |
| 22:19.44 | Monet | Unfortunately I won't be able to play it until the Christmas break. |
| 22:19.48 | DrodoEmpire | Even if a really small state thats almost always swallowed up by either Steppe hordes, Ming, or some obscure Indian kingdom |
| 22:20.01 | TekDroid | I've done everything I could to destroy the Ming and it still lives. >.< |
| 22:20.04 | drom | Neither me, but I might have some chances though to play it. |
| 22:20.08 | DrodoEmpire | Tek: Wat |
| 22:20.08 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 22:20.45 | DrodoEmpire | Well their armies suck, because most of the time they're at half morale but they have a shitton of provinces and bottomless manpower which means they can barely hold off determined invaders |
| 22:20.47 | TekDroid | I've been broken by peasant rebels about half a dozen times. |
| 22:21.08 | TekDroid | HOW AM I NOT DEAD YET. |
| 22:21.08 | drom | It looks like that October will be my wallet's worth month ever. |
| 22:21.12 | drom | worst* |
| 22:21.23 | drom | GTA V and CIV:BE |
| 22:21.33 | TekDroid | I lost MoH a decade and a half ago. |
| 22:21.52 | drom | And a countless bunch of more games. |
| 22:22.31 | TekDroid | I can't even release my vassals due to no prestige. |
| 22:23.13 | TekDroid | *ends one of his wars, cancelling all vassals as peace treaty* |
| 22:23.54 | drom | I gotta get a nap. I don't wanna be a coffeholic already next day. |
| 22:24.04 | drom | See ya. |
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| 22:28.37 | Wormy | hi |
| 22:29.13 | TekDroid | DrodoEmpire: *declares war on Zhou and prepares to finally lose* |
| 22:29.20 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 22:29.31 | TekDroid | *Shun |
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| 22:37.31 | Monet | Wormy_way: I was doing some reading and I had a thought.. its an almost certainty that the Imeprium is in a post-Moore's Law technological state. |
| 22:40.04 | Monet | So even disregarding the fact that meing Alien likely makes their computer architecture alien, their computers would be pretty alien to us |
| 22:41.32 | Monet | Same could probably be so for the Technocracy |
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| 23:09.49 | Knight_Alien | Test. |
| 23:12.47 | Wormy | Makes sense |
| 23:15.08 | Wormy | Moore's Law is by no means a law anyway, but a discussion of mostly parochial limitations (engineering), its limits aren't ultimate like the Bekenstein Bound. |
| 23:15.13 | Monet | ransistors can only get so small. |
| 23:15.26 | Monet | Transistors* |
| 23:16.34 | Wormy | They will have to be replaced |
| 23:17.14 | Monet | MAybe more closely mimicking an animal brain? |
| 23:20.23 | Wormy | I've consumed so much chilli I can feel it in my blood literally |
| 23:20.31 | Monet | It is interesting how a fly brain matches in size to a silicon microchip, yet it takes robots like ASIMO a few hours of programming just to walk forward for five minutes. |
| 23:21.02 | Wormy | Well spintronics and memristors have the potential to outstrip transistors completely |
| 23:21.26 | Wormy | There is interest in using new types of transistor which combines them in blocks |
| 23:21.36 | Monet | I guess ocmpared to the neuron, a microchip is pretty primitive. |
| 23:21.42 | Tek0516 | Aye |
| 23:22.22 | Wormy | Its not the neurons or the chips individually (you are correct there however), its the way they all work together as emergence |
| 23:22.54 | Tek0516 | The most positive thing is that if we know it exists, it is possible to make something at least as equally powerful. |
| 23:23.23 | Tek0516 | Human-level intelligence, that is. |
| 23:23.36 | Wormy | While computers are faster, brains of even simple animals vastly oustrip computers in ability, they are far more complicated, and in our case, capable of creativity, understanding and consciousness |
| 23:24.54 | Wormy | Its up for debate though whether computation can achieve those results at all. For example, we have an ability to know the truth of things that can't be written in formal systems of mathematics, we know Godel's Incompleteness Theorem is true but can't prove it computationally. |
| 23:25.31 | Monet | I was more referring to raw computing power than hinting at intelligence. |
| 23:25.34 | Wormy | Either consciousness is not computable, or we are a very long way from simulating creativity in machines |
| 23:25.44 | Wormy | Aye, I just love that debate |
| 23:26.59 | Monet | Then again, ASIMO has to have its routines tailored for eery session, so I guess technicians need to run through the coding for that five-minute stroll each time |
| 23:27.27 | Monet | Wheras for a fly knowing how to flap its wings is already stored in its memory |
| 23:27.28 | DrodoEmpire | https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/15675_696667480409476_8586538719245023877_n.jpg?oh=8d3d271d450d21bc6da401d9a9647b49&oe=54845133 |
| 23:28.34 | Monet | I don't think ASIMO can even see where its going |
| 23:28.35 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:29.27 | Tek0516 | pass |
| 23:29.36 | DrodoEmpire | yey |
| 23:31.35 | Wormy | I doubt the fly has to think about flapping its wings, all that information is probably at the level of signals, and below that, its genotype evolved over millenia |
| 23:31.56 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: Do you have any suggestions for a good country in Asia for EUIV? |
| 23:32.12 | Wormy | ASIMO however has very chunked programming made to achieve the same result |
| 23:32.15 | DrodoEmpire | Manchu or Japan are interesting. |
| 23:32.40 | DrodoEmpire | Ive never personally tried them but Ayuthhaya (or however its spelt) also seems like a good pick |
| 23:33.30 | DrodoEmpire | I would say Korea but they're usually screwed over by Manchu, Ming, Japan, or all three |
| 23:33.37 | Wormy | Easyness shouldn't be part of the explanation imo, its that the fly is so complex in its processes probably at an unconscious level, while our programming, while higher order, misses all that. |
| 23:33.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ming might also ally with Korea and it might survive for longer if so |
| 23:33.57 | DrodoEmpire | That said they may also invade |
| 23:34.17 | Monet | A computer that can modify its own programming on the fly would be a revolutionary step forwad |
| 23:34.22 | Wormy | In that perspective, what ASIMO is doing is quite spectacular, having to chunk all that information within a few hours |
| 23:34.27 | Monet | No pun intended lol |
| 23:35.05 | Wormy | By chunking I mean, one can do biology without needing to know subatomic physics |
| 23:38.40 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:38.42 | Monet | Come to think of it...I think I indicated that DI battle droids are artificial intelligences. |
| 23:39.00 | Monet | They can adapt to changes in a hotzone as swiftly as any organic soldier |
| 23:39.41 | Wormy | I think singularitism, and quite a lot of transhumanism is quackery tbh. If one takes a moment to study computation, epistemology and AI you'd see through it. And while stuff like the singularity in a few decades might sound optimistic, its actually pessimistic. |
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| 23:41.11 | Monet | Wormy: Because of how swiftly people are thinking humanlike artificial intelligences would come about. |
| 23:41.41 | Wormy | Pessimism because it asserts there will be knowledge humans can't have that the machines or cyborgs will. But we know that can't be true, machines may only think faster but they too are subject to the same error, computational universality holds. And science lets us understand things way beyond our experience |
| 23:42.59 | Monet | I was never quite sold on how becoming part machine is somehow automatically better. |
| 23:43.20 | Monet | Machines have their own faults that crop up during their lifetimes |
| 23:44.25 | Monet | Glitches, material stress, implant rejection, programming corruption etc. |
| 23:44.26 | Wormy | yep |
| 23:44.46 | Wormy | From one set of limits to another |
| 23:45.14 | Monet | Virus infection I'd say it depends on whether or not the implants are connected to a borader network. |
| 23:45.29 | Wormy | Douglas Hofstader writes about how pessimistic strong AI proponents can be in the first question http://tal.forum2.org/story_88 |
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| 23:45.36 | Monet | Compter viruses roaming the internet can't infect isolated machines |
| 23:47.52 | Monet | I think Hollywood scaremongering implies that if our PCs and Laptops were smart enough to think, they'd try and kill us |
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| 23:48.04 | Hachiman | Fucking internet |
| 23:49.05 | Monet | Thing is...its actually very rare in an evolutionary standpoint to kill for reasons outside self-defence or a desire to sustain oneself. |
| 23:49.12 | Wormy | I'm not sure what is so transcendent via transhumanism either. The want for progress, for discovering new physical and menal realms, to evolve, is a human and human evolutionary trait. |
| 23:49.35 | Wormy | There is no such thing as a "transhuman" |
| 23:49.38 | Wormy | in my view |
| 23:50.07 | Wormy | That is not to say human bengs won't evolve, or even control their evolution through technological and menetic means |
| 23:50.18 | Wormy | That I think is likely |
| 23:50.25 | Monet | I prefer the term "post-human" |
| 23:50.39 | Wormy | But the lofty goals of transhumanists don't realise they ARE human |
| 23:51.34 | Wormy | In fact, memes might have influenced our biological evolution already |
| 23:52.30 | Wormy | A co-evolution of memes and genes under a criteria of creativity might have expanded the hardware in our bran, to extend the bandwidth of information held in memes |
| 23:52.51 | Wormy | *brain |
| 23:53.38 | Monet | I wonder how much of the transhuman movement is made up of people besides futurists, geeks rebels of parochial ideas. |
| 23:53.49 | Monet | geeks and rebels* |
| 23:54.44 | Monet | Then again I suppsoe "futurist" is a vague term |
| 23:55.04 | Wormy | There are some genuinly interesting philosophers in it, but its mostly geeks. Despite what I said, I think I am a transhumanist, but take it with a critical approach. Evolution is certainly better than extinction, progress is better than stagnation |
| 23:56.02 | Wormy | And its fun to think about the possibilities of things like cyber-heaven, having multiple bodies, experiencing things never before possible, and other such sci-fi scenarios |
| 23:56.22 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 23:56.46 | Monet | We as a society appear to ahve developed a meme of wanting the next best tech. |
| 23:56.59 | Wormy | I wouldn't say its a bad one |
| 23:57.53 | Wormy | There are good and bad memes I think, bad ones decay people's critical faculties and promote stagnation, while say, the menes of the Enlightenment, has brought many fruits |
| 23:57.59 | Monet | I remember watchign a program on planned obscelescence and the interviewer asked a bunch of people lining up for a new iphoen model or the Xbox One were asked why they were there. Most of them struggled to come up with an answer beyond "I don't knwo really" |
