IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140903

00:00.14WormyI've been making a fruit crumble from berries picked in the gardem
00:00.29HachimanOoh crumble <3
00:00.35HachimanWait this late at night?
00:00.44WormyYeah, I'm mad like that.
00:01.06WormyI think it along with pie is my favourite desertt
00:01.08HachimanShit I wish I could have the stamina to go out, pick berries, and make a crumble at night hur
00:01.36Monet_Night owls are good like that
00:02.15WormyI think I'm a creature of the night
00:02.54WormyI'm amazed how the Soviets were making a laser tank decades ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug81gOdYLNU
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00:03.20Quark8Hello.
00:03.32Monet_Wormy: Why not Tesla tanks?
00:03.43Monet_Then again lightning's s stupid weapon
00:03.50Wormylol
00:04.07WormyI think an electrolaser weapon is being developed by the US
00:04.19Tek0516"Soviets" "laser tanks" Sounds like your average sci-fi cold war game. XD
00:04.48Wormyit creates a particle beam, which creates a flow that conducts artificial lightning
00:06.46HachimanWormy: You got me hooked on Hidria Spacefolk
00:07.08WormyGlad I did, they were great to see at the festival
00:07.30Wormyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwngWjCsPgE
00:07.36WormyThere they are live there
00:08.48Wormyand http://youtu.be/0LIRvz0FrEw?t=6m33s
00:26.23WormyWell, its nice
00:26.37WormyConsidering the scales broke and I used my intuition
00:26.55Wormyon the amounts of ingredients
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01:11.33Tek0516Hello
01:11.44Wormybye
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01:30.41Technodroidno wormy? :c
01:31.16Technodroidah well
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01:50.35Guest89537Wow, it's calm in there.
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01:51.56Vincent20100It is calm in there...
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02:16.03Vincent20100Hey KA
02:16.29Knight_AlienHi
02:16.39Knight_AlienI timed out or somthing it seems.
02:17.07Knight_Alienhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire#Empire_Police_force The Complete/Finished Police of the Empire.
02:17.25Knight_AlienAnd even a picture of what they look like.
02:23.21Knight_AlienI have changed a few of their methods though.
03:13.02Knight_AlienIt seems to be dead tonight.
04:15.42TekDroidAye.
04:18.10TekDroid~test
04:18.10infobotmethinks test is not funny
05:16.52AngrybirdsK/D : 5006 to 1996
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05:47.47drom_sickoStill sicko!
05:51.00Liquid_InkOh dear
05:54.19drom_sickoAtleast it got better than it was before
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07:00.14GhelaeHello.
07:03.41Liquid_InkHello
07:04.38Liquid_InkI'm not sure why anybody is surprised at what's going on in Ukraine. Putin did warn many years ago that this would happen if Ukraine got too friendly with NATO
07:09.16GhelaePeople will be surprised by anything if you let them.
07:10.29Liquid_InkAnd really, the pro-Russian separatists are no different from the Euromaiden revolutionaries.
07:11.10drom_sickoAustraila is going to build a embassy there.
07:15.23drom_sickobrb gonna play some invisible inc. to get my espionage glands tingling.
07:52.09drom_sickoI give fucking up
07:52.26drom_sickoI told my agent to knock out that fucking guard. But instead, he just stood there.
07:53.52drom_sickoAnd that got him killed. Because he was the only one who had an active stungun.
08:54.55Liquid_InkI wonder what would have happened if the Galactic Republic had just let the Seperatists secede and live in peace?
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09:15.32GhelaeHello.
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10:06.02Wormyhi
10:09.19drom_sickoI have learnt that you should never leave your mail open in a high-security building. Ever.
10:10.36Liquid_InkOh?
10:13.00drom_sickoIf the building has a high-security, the more likely it will be targeted by a shady goverment espionage agency if the CEO does something shady.
10:13.50drom_sickoCorporate Espionage is bitch.
10:15.05drom_sickoHave a screenshot of what told me so. http://i.imgur.com/22UcfWj.jpg
10:15.11drom_sickoInvisible Inc. is the game.
10:16.57Liquid_InkCool
10:18.21drom_sickoThe game is pretty fun, and annoying when you realise that you just did something wrong.
10:18.35drom_sickoThe game is all about espionage and stealth.
10:19.17drom_sickoThe game is, however, an Early Access game. In the Alpha state. Good thing that it's a Kiel Entertainment game.
10:34.02drom_sickohttp://i.imgur.com/9ZFVUBx.jpg
10:40.34WormyI can feel hot chilli ploughing up my bowels
10:40.41Wormyngh
10:40.49Liquid_InkThat's a pleasant image
10:41.01Wormy3lol
10:42.10Wormyg2g quickly
10:47.22drom_sickoMy brust after seeing a russian messing with a van filled with fellow russians cosplaying as cartoon characters.
10:47.29drom_sickoMy lungs brust*
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10:57.05Liquid_InkHello
11:00.18drom_sickoImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU
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11:02.39Wormyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIBTg7q9oNc
11:02.41WormyHi
11:02.51drom_sickoHai
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11:03.47JepardiHi
11:03.51Wormyhi
11:04.02XhoI think I want to die now
11:04.06XhoThis cold is getting serious
11:04.53Liquid_InkDid you catch drom's cold?
11:05.01XhoProbably
11:05.15Liquid_InkHmm. My sister also has a cold.
11:05.21XhoI woke up this morning and I just went "no"
11:06.54Liquid_Inkhttps://38.media.tumblr.com/683b3dbe598bb88cd2e075be039a9bb5/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo1_500.gif
11:07.09drom_sickoAugust/September = The Cold's golden month(s)
11:07.15Liquid_Inkhttps://33.media.tumblr.com/81602eafccd63355280bc7645f12eda4/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo3_500.gif
11:08.43Wormygood for her
11:09.11WormyMy guts still feel ploughed
11:09.14Wormydamnit
11:09.20Liquid_Inkhttps://33.media.tumblr.com/e736c9c6de1bcf1afca39da69dff9c57/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo4_500.gif
11:10.24drom_sickohttp://osztas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/egeszsegedre.jpg
11:10.51WormyI hate printers
11:11.48drom_sickohttp://i.imgur.com/ktrBaWW.jpg
11:14.39Liquid_Inkhttp://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5io4vq9GL1qebtweo1_1280.png
11:14.46Liquid_Ink"Do you think anyone will notice they’re just cardboard cutouts?"
11:14.47Liquid_Ink"Look, we’ve already stretched the budget to £10.50, they’ll just have to deal with it."
11:16.36drom_sickoFound Hachi's wet dream. https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/518eceae290aec7a3c73b0ce17617e35/tumblr_najrs0DAZ11tipfq8o1_1280.jpg
11:18.07Wormylol
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11:26.25MonetHi
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11:27.40AdmiralPandahi all
11:28.35drom_sickoHai Monet and Panda
11:30.24MonetHello
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11:31.01Monetdrom: Are you will or are you watching one of Michael Moore's films?
11:31.07Monetill*
11:31.14drom_sickow0t
11:31.21drom_sickoI'm still ill from the cold.
11:31.28Monethttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko
11:31.31MonetOh...
11:31.32drom_sickoOn the other side: http://i.imgur.com/EKPWRYj.png
11:31.59WormyFuck IQ
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11:32.53WormyI just thought of something that transcends IQ
11:33.02MonetWormy: Yeah?
11:34.42WormySuppose, it tested two people on fast they can do a maths problem.  Person A gets the higher score over speed, person B clearly can't calculate as quickly using formal rules.  But that ISN'T real human intelligence at work, because it is often the case that people who struggle with problems FIND NEW WAYS to solve the problem, by thinking outside the system.  It might be slower but that shouldn't matter.
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11:35.40WormyHuman intelligence is so complicated I don't think IQ can abstract it.  Its a fictional number that tests itself.
11:36.08Monetbrb
11:36.27WormyAt best, it can show if someone is learning more slowly than others.  But people who take pride in high IQ are not really much if anything better.
11:38.05AdmiralPandaWormy: IQ is never used in anything official anymore, because people realised very quickly it's inherently flawed and biased
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11:38.26Knight_AlienHi
11:38.35WormyGood, but there are still people who flaunt it about, or use it in schools by the sounds of it.
11:40.28GhelHello.
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11:44.49GhelRemember that conversation yesterday about that image with the words holism, reductionism, and mu?
11:44.49Wormy_I very much doubt IQ is the cutting edge tool of cognitive scientists and neurologists
11:44.53Wormy_Yes
11:45.04GhelSome synchronicity for you: so does today's http://xkcd.com if you zoom into the right places.
11:46.01Wormy_Its a strange loop!
11:46.24Wormy_Reading Ant Fugue, I think it represents organisation up and down emergent levels
11:46.45Wormy_Its what makes an ant colony different to a container of gas molecules
11:50.00Wormy_ANTEATER: That highlights a very interesting difference between the explanation of the behavior of an ant colony and the explanation of the behavior of gas inside a container. One can explain the behavior of the gas simply by calculating the statistical properties of the motions of its molecules. There is no need to discuss any higher elements of structure than molecules, except the full gas itself. On the other hand, in an ant col
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11:50.20Wormy_you can't even begin to understand the activities of the colony unless you go through several layers of structure.
11:50.24Wormy_hi
11:50.27Vincent20100HEy!
11:50.52GhelHello.
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11:51.14GhelHello.
11:51.46MonetSorry about that, my laptop was doing that thign again where something tanks my useable memory.
11:54.17MonetWormy: When it comes down to it I think IQ tests are farily abstract
11:54.42Wormy_The error prone languages of human beings sounds inefficient and imprecise, interuptions, improper syntax, coughing even compared to programs in a computer.
11:54.54AdmiralPandaMonet: After you dc'ed I mentioned that officially, the IQ has been completely discredited
11:55.53Wormy_Though human brains operate on a high level, programs and interpreters on a low level.  The difficulty with computer science is that machines have hierarchies which must communicate with each other
11:56.36Wormy_And so must we, somewhere between genes, organelles, cells, the nervous system....  And so on up the scale
11:57.27Wormy_I just think human mind is so complex you see, it can't be rigidly defined
11:58.50XhoMy IQ is higher than Edward Snowden's anyway and yet I have the attention span of a goldfish
11:58.57MonetI don't think I ever bothered to test my IQ apart from some quickie website.
11:58.59XhoJust goes to show how flawed it is
11:59.47MonetWhen I did it was apparently 140-someting although being a web-based test I'm dubious about the results.
11:59.48Wormy_Theoretical physicists don't need monstrous IQ's, that's the thing.
12:00.01Wormy_And they work with extreme abstraction.
12:00.24MonetXho: Attention span aside I'd say you can be rather brilliant at times.
12:00.59Xhoaww
12:01.02XhoWait what
12:01.13Wormy_You are good with language and seem to know a lot of philosophy.
12:01.35MonetThere is such a thing as an absent-minded genius. If this is offensive I apologise but it's the best term I can think of.
12:01.38XhoI think we can agree I'm intelligent but switched off
12:03.39XhoI will never understand maths or science though
12:04.49MonetI'd say that's academic stuff. Although the core of what science is I think is fairly simple.
12:04.49Wormy_That does not negate intelligence.
12:05.13MonetScience is an observation tested and examined to the point a conclusion can be made.
12:05.36Wormy_Science is really a competition of ideas, not scientists and how smart they are.
12:06.23Wormy_Nature doesn't care how clever you are
12:07.05XhoMy job does hur
12:07.42MonetThat's because your job is governed by people, who do care about how clever someone is.
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12:08.06AdmiralPandaMine just cares how quickly I can pick up a bundle of papers, pull it apart, and put it back together again :P
12:08.15AdmiralPandaand occasionally stamp one
12:08.26XhoAdmiralPanda: Same pretty much hur
12:08.40XhoExcept I have no control over coordination and I get bored within 2 minutes
12:09.07AdmiralPandaI just think about D&D or sporewiki while I'm doing it
12:09.22Liquid_Inktries to sell Technobliterator a CD in which the nameless artist recorded only silence with no album title, no song titles and no cover art.
12:09.35Technobliterator:o
12:09.50AdmiralPandabuys this cd, scratches the hell out of it, and sells it as dubstep
12:10.12Liquid_InkThis artist subsequently releases an album titled "stop frabricating my music, Liquid Ink"
12:10.33Wormy_As for a low in my intelligence, I have terrible problems keeping organised, atm I've lost an important letter in a pile of crap
12:11.23XhoI think my fiction just shows how organised I am not
12:11.53AdmiralPandaI'd say your fiction progress more than your fiction itself
12:12.12MonetStuff like remembering the names of the various parts of the human body or knowing all the elements of the periodic table is knowledge. Not strictly intelligence.
12:12.45AdmiralPandaMonet: Except if you're a character in D&D :P
12:13.07MonetIntelligence can help with memory I admit.
12:13.25XhoI can build up on things but I don't pay attention to actually updating pages on the wiki
12:13.40XhoI don't know why I'd want to do it if it's so boring and time-consuming when I can be doing something else
12:14.15MonetI'm a bit like that with pictures for the wiki.
12:14.43XhoI'm like that everywhere hur
12:14.48XhoMy managers don't like it very much at work
12:14.55MonetI'd *like* to cover my stories in pictures but it takes me a couple of hours to make one so I normally go "fuck it, description porn"
12:15.10XhoBut I always find something useful to do at work so they can't complain
12:17.32drom_sickoAre we still talking about IQ?
12:20.34Wormy_The lows of my intelligence:  Social understanding, personal organisation, lack of common sense.  But then, most of that is because I live aspie bubbles and thinking about something complex but having little in common with daily life
12:21.02MonetBTW Drom I'm curious have you considered this for your fiction? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LowCultureHighTech I imagine that tier 2s probably have schools of scientific understanding perhaps unheard of or purely hypothetical for tier 4s
12:21.53Wormy_Atm I'm trying to refute IQ as not measuring the real ghost of the machine under the skin of processes its testing
12:22.24Wormy_When I could be doing something that'd improve say, maths skills, giving as higher IQ perhaps
12:22.40Wormy_But I don't need them just foer a silly test
12:23.02Xhohttps://i.imgur.com/YdyTJmC.jpg
12:24.33MonetXho: Lol. Maybe he was sexy when he was in his twenties?
12:24.40XhoWhenever that time was
12:24.56MonetWhen Queen Victorial was on the throne lol
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12:25.05AdmiralPandahai buniman
12:25.08HachimanHai
12:25.14MonetHi
12:25.31XhoRight I need something to do
12:25.50GhelHello.
12:25.57XhoThere was this idea I had concerning the darker reaches of my fiction but I have a headache right now so I won't do that
12:26.34Monet...deaker than we've already seen?
12:27.14XhoWell it would bring up a few twists
12:27.56XhoMainly to do with what the Xhodocto did before creating Inferno
12:29.40MonetAngazhar - I want somewhere I can beat the everloving shit out of Mortals even when they die. Err...I mean...PUNISHMENT. TORMENT EVERLASTING
12:30.07XhoSantorakh - u broke character                    never break character
12:30.53MonetAngazhar - INCIDENT NEVER HAPPENED
12:31.20MonetPerhaps before Inferno Angazhar was quite eloquent? :P
12:31.51dromMonet: I don't think so. The fiction more or less has a point of that or not.
12:33.35XhoWell this was a time before the Xhodocto presented themselves as characters
12:33.39Monetdrom: Come again? It's jsut that, well, tier 4 to tier 2 is a very huge gap to jump in a couple of years.
12:34.12MonetSo maybe they had to understand a few new schools of science along with the technology?
12:35.15dromI can either tell that DCP provided required schools of science and/or documents to understand the technology provided to them.
12:35.44Wormy_DCP doesn't provide its technological information.
12:35.46dromOr not. Hence an unseen gap of Low Culture and High Tech.
12:36.00Wormy_The Milky Way Cooperative might
12:36.12Wormy_The DCP may provide old tech maybe, not sure
12:36.18XhoThat's what they did for the Kicath to give them hyperdrive tech
12:36.30XhoDCP/Cooperative I dunno the history is vague there
12:36.50Wormy_Ah yes.  The hyperdrive was already old fashioned to the DCP by then
12:37.03Wormy_They zip around with tachyon drives
12:37.16XhoKicath - and now we have oracle computers              hao u feel
12:37.40Wormy_DCP - How u do dis
12:38.02XhoKicath - what we did was mashing a table, toaster and machine gun together
12:38.15XhoSounds like a Gmod video
12:38.27XhoTable + Toaster + Machine gun = Computer
12:38.30MonetTier 2 is borderline Clarke's Third Law of sicentific prediction, si presumably there are new scientific fields (such as essence study or being closer to a unified field theory) withi nthat gap.
12:38.41dromWormy_: I usually misrefer the MWC with DCP.
12:38.54Wormy_I see
12:39.18MonetAlso computer science difference
12:39.51Wormy_All those three things are made of matter, and all known computers are made of matter.
12:40.01MonetThe gap between a Federation supercomputer and a DCP supercomputer is probably comparable to Colossus vs. current prototype quantum computers.
12:40.14Wormy_turning them into one is a matter of knowledge, not material.
12:40.46MonetWormy_: This is the issue I'm suggesting.
12:41.03XhoOr in Gmod sense, just a lack of logic
12:42.03Wormy_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer
12:45.28dromI wonder what's the oppisite of Low Culture and High Tech if it's not that literal.
12:46.01MonetLuddism probably.
12:46.19Wormy_Highly cultured, but low tech people
12:46.42Wormy_Maybe Victorians from our perspective?
12:46.47Wormy_the posh ones
12:47.20Wormy_They quite advanced but nothing like our civilisation!
12:48.42MonetThe victorians kick-started the modern world...but also believed that *every* form of bacterial was bad.
12:49.03Wormy_I'm not sure whether there were highly cultured society but with low tech
12:49.25Wormy_Medievalists didn't get around much.
12:49.56dromSounds like that "Victorian"/Luddism and Low-Culture and High Tech are just a ring of two snakes biting each other's tails.
12:50.32dromAvoiding or fighting for something in the middle of them.
12:50.50MonetHow so?
12:52.18Wormy_To be high cultured, one needs to understand other cultures well from experience, be open to new ideas, but also have some criticism
12:52.30Wormy_And that means well travelled
12:52.46Wormy_And that requires a means of transportation
12:53.05dromIf Victorian/Luddism thinks eg. bacterials are bad, it's probably because they don't have the required school of science to fully understand them.  While the other "snake" is the oppisite, but still maintain the same gap as the Luddism do. What I understand and caught from this.
12:53.26Wormy_Certainly examples in history but encounters between newe cultures often weren't friendly
12:53.48dromSay, the core is just Triple-33.
12:54.53MonetHigh culture low tech is a bit harder to understand logically unless there's a lot of traditionalism goiong about.
12:55.01dromIs there a third snake that takes over the gap?
12:55.26Monetdrom: Probably societies thad advance both cutlurally and scientificalyl at a balanced pace
12:56.28dromOkay. Those three snakes and the core inside the ring, that's humanity in a nutshell.
12:57.43Liquid_Inkhttp://pastie.org/private/0ge4fzkeqqhwbmbxueiw Jesus Christ I can write some creepy shit.
12:59.43dromLiquid_Ink: Impersonate Steven King.
13:00.08dromOr more accurately, Stephen King.
13:00.28Liquid_Inkwut
13:01.01MonetStephen King wrote some pretty strange and disturbing stuff.
13:01.07dromStephen King is a horror fiction author.
13:01.52Liquid_InkI know
13:02.06Liquid_InkI haven't read his stuff though, so I can't do an impersonation.
13:04.09Liquid_InkAnyways what do you think of that thing I've written?
13:05.40Wormy_I expressed my opinion on Cyrannus
13:06.01Liquid_InkTalking to everyone else
13:06.29dromTerrifying.
13:06.49dromAnd it's not the "smashing" definiation I'm on.
13:07.59Liquid_InkI must go now, goodnight.
13:12.51Vincent20100Guys|
13:13.49MonetHello
13:13.55Vincent20100Ha...
13:14.17dromSup?
13:14.23Vincent20100Good you?
13:17.28Vincent20100Playing with the cats...
13:20.36GhelHello.
13:21.19dromStill ill. And my head feels like it's growing, growing until it mushes itself within my cranium.
13:22.08XhoGetting the same feeling
13:22.23Vincent20100Gotta feeling...
13:25.44Wormy_Performs trepanning on drom
13:26.18dromNonono. Take Xho instead!
13:27.26Wormy_Stops half way and proceeds to the operation on Xho with the same tool immediately.
13:29.43drombreaks himself free from the chair and flees*
13:31.03Vincent20100look at them drunkly, with his vodka bottle in hand.
13:32.37Xhodoesn't know what trepanning is
13:32.58dromXho: https://londonparticulars.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/hangover-cure.jpg
13:33.15Xhongh
13:33.19XhoSeems like a good cure for a headache
13:33.50Monethttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NobleSavage actually wait here's an alternative term for "high culture low tech"
13:34.06dromWormy - "Trust me, Xho. I'm a cerfitied doctor."
13:35.58Monethttp://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140903133327/spore/images/7/7f/Uriel_Formal_3.png this is probably one of my most ambitious outfits so far
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13:36.44dromMonet: Nice.
13:37.09dromAnd oh. I noticed that you got back your nickname. You should register it.
13:37.49MonetHey yeah
13:38.06Monet~register
13:38.06infobot[register] http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
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13:43.39ImperiosПривет\
13:44.12HachimanNiet
13:45.13dromTo bad that Mac doesn't support Crycillic input.
13:46.14MonetThere, it's done.
13:48.49dromYou maybe need to restart your IRC session?
13:49.22ImperiosMonet: Seen your new Draconis
13:49.32ImperiosI like them but Uriel seems a bit... small
13:49.46ImperiosProportion-wise
13:49.52MonetIs it the head?
13:50.33ImperiosMaybe, dunno
13:50.40ImperiosBut he seems smaller in general
13:50.40XhoWell, I'm downloading Sims 4 now
13:50.47XhoWill be available on the 5th
13:51.12dromgud4u
13:51.50XhoQuite a large download as well
13:51.57MonetThe newer model draconis are slightly slimmer than the old
13:52.06MonetXho: How many GB?
13:52.09dromXho: You gotta move that gear up.
13:52.37Xho8.55
13:54.04dromThere's an upload of (probably) him, and a swedish text behind him, as a desktop image.
13:55.44XhoWell I'm 25% through it now
13:55.55XhoBetter be worth my £60
13:56.09MonetSixty!?
13:56.20MonetGames are jsut getting more and more expansive these days
13:56.45MonetThat or its jsut EA because the open bata for Civilisation: Beyond Earth is currently £35
13:57.43Wormy_My internet has been slow lately.  Looking at my network, my computer right now is receiving 474,465,719 bytes and I don't know where its coming from.  Not downloading anything, or streaming.
13:57.57Wormy_My firewall is on
13:58.22Wormy_I'm worried about being compromised
13:58.48dromMonet: EA doesn't own Beyond Earth. And they are notorious for high prices, DLC milking and aswell a history of balanism.
13:58.59MonetExactly
13:59.17Monet£60 sounds like EA beign moneygrabbing cunts...again
14:00.55XhoIt looks like Sims 4 hasn't got very good ratings
14:00.58Wormy_awaytest
14:01.01XhoMight have just wasted £60
14:01.05dromXho is going to be infected by the EAtis.
14:01.30JepardiIt won't have the open world from Sims 3
14:02.03dromSimcity was a direct downgrade from Simcity 4, gameplay-vise.
14:02.47XhoI dunno, I might like it
14:03.04XhoSims 3 was a little clunky and boring in comparison to the first game
14:03.24XhoSims 2 I got too angry with because my Sims kept dying in impossible circumstances
14:03.38MonetWot
14:04.24MonetI will forever remember that time I had a celebrity houseguest who burned herself to death trying to cook dinner for herself.
14:04.31MonetIn the original
14:04.35Xhoheh
14:04.42XhoSims 1 is the best one by far
14:05.37Monet[15:01] <Jepardi> It won't have the open world from Sims 3 >> wait what, are you kidding?
14:05.58MonetThe open world was one of the best things about 3
14:06.48JepardiNope, watched Robbaz's video and it showed that there were loading screens when travelling to any location
14:06.55XhoI think people are complaining that Sims 4 doesn't have as many customisation options as it does 3
14:07.00MonetFUUUUKYOUEA!!
14:07.23MonetIt meant that time didn't freeze at home whenever I left the house to go shopping or manage my sims' local shop nor did I have to encounter any loading screens.
14:09.10MonetIt meant that my shopowner sims din't have a screwed-up daily routine because they would come home from a full day of running a shop tired, smelly and wanting a sit down when no time had passed at all within the house.
14:09.59XhoI dunno about Create-A-Style though, I probably only ever used it twice
14:10.54MonetYou mean the tool to match up the patterns of all the furniture or the more in-depth part of it where you created your own textures?
14:11.05XhoYeah
14:11.27XhoFrom the looks of it
14:11.30MonetI had an architect sim so I was colour-translating all the time.
14:11.34XhoPeople are complaining about too much in this game
14:11.41XhoI wasn't a massive fan of the open world anyway
14:12.11XhoIt was cool but I didn't go out and look at the world all the time since my Sims kept me occupied more or less
14:14.02XhoRobbaz says Sims 4 feels more like 1 or 2
14:14.09XhoI did prefer 1 to all the others
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14:16.41XhoI'll probably give a review of it later
14:18.19AdmiralPandaTbh though, my favourite part of the Sims 3 was being that one outrageously flamboyant gay guy that throws awesome parties
14:18.50XhoI don't remember that
14:18.53MonetI kinda lost interest in getting Sims 4.
14:19.16MonetEA seems to be strimming down all their IPs lately.
14:19.48AdmiralPandaXho: That's just how I acted, I was bored and it was fun so I went with it
14:20.16XhoWell if it is a dumbed down version of the Sims 3 and it is closer to the Sims 1 in feel I'll probably like it very much
14:20.30XhoSims 3 was overwhelmingly big for my liking
14:20.54Hachimanhttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10620698_1514998802050523_8302433361019156244_n.png?oh=32f0f60a9ca10bd57eeb59a2b3dddda2&oe=54784D06
14:20.56XhoGood game, just didn't enjoy it as much as I did Sims 1 or 2 (disregarding how many times my Sims died)
14:21.30XhoHachiman: "Shut up, get a life and go outside ponyfags"
14:21.32AdmiralPandaHachiman: That sounds so much like a Rainbow Brigade poster it's not funny
14:24.17MonetGaahh, so many Draconis character models to remake and so many to create
14:24.29AdmiralPandalol
14:25.28XhoBack when games weren't even 1 GB
14:25.35XhoSimCity 4 was 1016 MB
14:28.33Xhohttp://genensims.com/guest/MadameMim/pic/neighbourhoods/S1/S1_2SimLane.jpg You know you made it in life when your Sim could afford this house
14:29.09MonetYeah, although i'd modernise it
14:29.48MonetActually I cheat a little as I make one model per rank in the ITN then tweak body colour and prevalence of hair
14:30.57MonetThough thanks to DI I can tweak body bulk and recolour the uniform in one editor session
14:33.46AdmiralPandaI realised something about the ISF a couple of days ago; since they fully immerse themselves in the operating systems of their ships, the ships themselves wouldn't have a name- instead they'd just be called by the name of the person commanding them
14:34.19AdmiralPandato the ISF, there would be no distinction between ship and self, they'd be one and the same
14:35.13MonetISF captain - I am spehss sheep!
14:35.39AdmiralPandaslaps Monet for using the Thule voice
14:40.10MonetMaybe I was using the Heavy voice?
14:40.44AdmiralPandareverts time slightly and undoes the slap
14:42.56MonetWierd how "slap" backward is "pals"
14:52.16Hachimanhttp://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/04/06/5000-year-old-transgender-skeleton-discovered/ Non-heteros are trying harder and harder nowadays
14:53.31AdmiralPandayou know you can just call them gay, every one I've met doesn't take it as an insult
14:54.00HachimanOh I know that but it's not just "gays"
14:54.13HachimanIt's the bis and the trans and the pans and everything else
14:54.57AdmiralPandapansexuality is fun, just look at Jack Harkness
14:55.06AdmiralPandaslightly off topic but still
14:55.13HachimanS
14:55.16HachimanWoops
14:55.40ImperiosHachiman: Maybe it's just a hermaphrodite or something
14:56.07AdmiralPandaactually, wouldn't Commander Shepard be a pansexual?
14:56.10HachimanI don't really give a shit for sexual identity, you can be whatever you like, so long as it's not being rammed into my face and the claims for it become more and more ridiculous
14:56.26AdmiralPanda^
14:56.35ImperiosI concur
14:56.46ImperiosI don't like epatage
14:57.09ImperiosOr, wait, there is no such word in English
14:57.22ImperiosLet me rephrase that; I don't like people acting like attention whores for whatever reason
14:57.29WormyI concur
14:57.31AdmiralPandawe have that, they're called divas
14:57.39ImperiosWe have that too
14:57.58AdmiralPandaI'm just saying, you can use diva to describe that kind of person
14:58.07ImperiosHm...
14:58.36ImperiosNot exactly the word I needed. Is there a word for... the process of being a diva?
14:59.27WormyImperios:  You are not you when you are hungry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRBGBHsjU8
14:59.35AdmiralPandaattention whoring
14:59.40Imperiosrite
15:00.03MonetOr simply "being a diva"
15:00.10MonetBut that's a phrase.
15:00.12HachimanIt's like the people who constantly talk about "non-hetero oppression" - claims such as "gay teen is injured in homophobic hammer attack" when it could easily just be labelled "teen injured in hammer attack"
15:00.17WormyJJust give em Snickers
15:00.52AdmiralPandaUnless it actually was a deliberate homophobic attack, in which case they should report it as such
15:00.59AdmiralPandabut yeah, labelling stuff for no reason is annoying
15:01.00WormyIf he was attacked for homophobic reasons, then its a fact.  But i see what you mean
15:01.02ImperiosWormy the Feeder of Gays
15:01.14Wormyum
15:01.16Wormyokay
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15:01.39Hachiman_Fucking internet
15:01.57Hachiman_What I was saying is that we don't say stuff like "heterosexual injured in tragic car accident"
15:02.03Imperiosya
15:02.31ImperiosI don't like when people think of their sexuality as their defining trait, it's odd
15:02.44Hachiman_Aye
15:02.51Hachiman_Like the majority of people on Tumblr#
15:03.05ImperiosHm since this place is full of Brits I gonna ask
15:03.08AdmiralPandayeah we got what you meant, we were just saying that if they actually were attacked because of their sexuality, then that should be reported
15:03.16dromWhat did I miss?
15:03.27Imperiosdrom: Gay social justice bashing
15:03.32MonetThe only time i'm interested in the significance of someone's sexuality is a man's jsutification for being addicted to breasts.
15:03.43Imperioshuh
15:03.48ImperiosSo, anyway
15:03.54ImperiosWhen did Ireland become independent?
15:04.11MonetQuite a while ago
15:04.51Monet1921 I think it was
15:04.53AdmiralPandaWormy: Inertia is the "things in motion stay in motion" thing right?
15:04.53WormyThe average brony in his true form http://x2.fjcdn.com/comments/Yo+ponny+fan+boys+we+gonna+++or+what+_062d00bee865e13dc25df5d51d0d499d.jpg
15:05.30AdmiralPandaWormy: No, that's one end of the extreme
15:05.30ImperiosWormy: The brony community is quite stagnant nowadays I believe
15:05.43ImperiosAs in, it's not expanding rapidly anymore
15:06.00AdmiralPandayou have the rainbow brigade on one side, the fat ponyfags on the other end, and people that just like the show in the middle
15:06.01WormyPanda:  Yes
15:06.05ImperiosSpeaking of ponies
15:06.11Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Eyegirl We have a brony fangirl
15:07.05Wormy"The vis insita, or innate force of matter, is a power of resisting by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavours to preserve its present state, whether it be of rest or of moving uniformly forward in a straight line."
15:07.21Wormy--Isaac Newton
15:07.35MonetNewton's first law.
15:07.41HachimanPonyfags are just the same as furfags
15:08.08AdmiralPandaby definition they kinda are furfags, so yeah
15:08.09HachimanThey take interest in anthroporphic animals all the same
15:08.11WormyNobody is quite sure what Inertia is caused by http://www.padrak.com/ine/INERTIA.html
15:08.18MonetI just watched Yatzee's review of Grund Zeros and he revealed that one of the children you rescue has two bombs in her body implanted by a General Skullface...What the fuck Kojima! D:
15:08.36ImperiosHachiman: ...Wait, wait, wait
15:08.42AdmiralPandaMonet: I've seen worse
15:08.44ImperiosAren't you
15:08.47AdmiralPandaDONE worse now that I think of it
15:08.48HachimanNo, I'm not
15:08.53HachimanNot anymore
15:08.59AdmiralPandafeels nostalgia as a standard action
15:09.17XhoI was about to say
15:09.22XhoPot calling the kettle black there
15:09.30MonetI know Japanese media has a tendancy to be wierd but...this is probably on the extreme end.
15:09.42ImperiosAs in you don't like that stuff anymore or you are no longer part of the community
15:09.51HachimanEither
15:10.12HachimanBesides most furfags just draw furry shit because they can't draw humans right
15:10.24MonetNot helpes my mrs mute bikini-wearing sniper lady.
15:10.28HachimanHumans are admittedly a bitch to draw but still
15:10.58AdmiralPandaheh, I was playing an anti-paladin, and decided the best way to besiege a castle was to release a bunch of prisoners I'd inscribed with plague runes, which then detonated the moment the prisoners were inside the walls
15:11.02ImperiosFrankly I haven't been part of furry fandom for years but that's still a bit rude
15:11.06AdmiralPandainstant removal of garrison
15:11.20Wormyhttp://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/12/Bronies-On-the-Internet.jpg
15:11.21XhoOh god can it about fandoms
15:11.25HachimanAdmiralPanda: *blackguard
15:11.27Hachiman:p
15:11.34WormyI liked them coppers being labelled trolls hur
15:11.36AdmiralPandaHachiman: Antipaladin. I play Pathfinder not 4e
15:11.50AdmiralPandaPaladin of Tyranny specifically
15:12.10HachimanWormy: That's an edited pic of a scene from Hot Fuzz hur
15:12.22Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/4nHUgtK.jpg I personally prefer this
15:12.33AdmiralPanda^
15:12.38AdmiralPandaThat one actually made me laugh a bit
15:12.41MonetAdmiralPanda: exploding plague prisoners is one thing. Surgically installing two exposives into a little girl's bodycomplete with a scene showing Snake removing one of the bombs is another thing entirely for me.
15:12.42AdmiralPandawhich is weird for face swaps
15:12.52AdmiralPandaMonet: Yeah the scene was a bit much
15:12.53XhoAnd the fact it's Simon Pegg and Nick Frost
15:13.04AdmiralPandathe explosives were pretty run of the mill
15:13.41MonetYahtzee used dynamite to portray the exlosives but i'm guessing they were actually plastic explosive
15:14.13HachimanTry inserting dynamite into a human body
15:14.46AdmiralPandaHachiman: Pretty easy to do, getting it to then explode is a bit harder
15:14.56HachimanAye
15:15.33MonetI'm strongly guessing the eplxosives were surgically implanted rather than say rammed up the butt.
15:15.50AdmiralPandapretty sure yeah
15:16.54XhoHm need something to do
15:17.08XhoI'm more inclined towards Fantasy at the moment (as per usual)
15:17.18HachimanOrayu chars pls
15:17.30AdmiralPandaXho: design a martial art
15:17.33WormyHow dod I not see that?  Yes I love Hot Fuzz
15:18.28MonetWOrmy: I think its because their faces are obscured
15:18.40Wormylol
15:18.44XhoI've already pointed out a few Kicathian martial arts though I've never gone into them in detail
15:18.49XhoYeah might as well make that Orayu character
15:19.03WormyThat and the pony was stealing all the attention like they always do, even from famous actors.
15:19.16XhoEsulus which is his name
15:20.51AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Spriggs077/Ideas#Hot_Ship_on_Octopus_Action < name for humour, it's not dirty at all
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15:21.06Xhoups
15:21.18Hachimanhai
15:21.23OluapWorkerhi
15:21.33AdmiralPandaI sort of ran out of impetus as I got towards the end, I will probably expand it a bit later
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15:22.47MasterMachineHello
15:24.12XhoOluapWorker: I'm making that Orayu character fyi
15:24.23OluapWorkerokay
15:36.16WormyWhat Mario should do really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKBNb0_-7-0&index=29
15:41.01XhoWormy: stahp dis
15:43.17Xhohttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140903154221/spore/images/5/5f/Esulus.png There we go
15:43.31WormyHow are them Frosty Chcolate Milkshakes doing?
15:47.01XhoWe should really have a page for all of the epithets on the Fantasyverse
15:49.23Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Arya.png Javina's pet cat
15:49.56XhoPelagrios - fuk me dat ain't no cat
15:50.00HachimanXho: Oh sweet
15:50.25HachimanImperios: I get reminded of He-Man
15:50.31HachimanEsulus looks pretty cool
15:51.00MasterMachineImperios: When even your cat has armor...
15:51.01MasterMachine:P
15:51.01MonetBit of a creepy cat with those legs.
15:51.02Hachimanhttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10660334_1515020198715050_1124270277816926284_n.png?oh=2af377f4a551147b590aa92560a7a6b1&oe=547ACF24
15:51.33MasterMachinelol
15:54.18ImperiosHm
15:54.21ImperiosWhat's wrong with them?
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16:00.13dromOh my head is so heavy that it would break my table in two by simply touching with my forehead.
16:00.16HachimanSo I just realized how much Sailor Moon stole from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
16:00.34HachimanThen again, JoJo has influenced a lot of things considering how old it is
16:02.23MonetImperios: For a cat they're really long
16:08.15XhoHachiman: What kind of entities are the Gnolls like
16:08.19XhoI mean passive or aggressive
16:10.40HachimanWell they're hunters and scavengers but they're not the sort to openly seek to cause harm to things that don't otherwise bother them
16:10.52XhoRight
16:11.03HachimanThey won't go and murder civilians for instant
16:11.09MasterMachineSo Opprotunistic?
16:11.14HachimanKinda yeah
16:12.51HachimanThey'll steal and pickpocket, kill and eat your livestock and pets, invade your homes and burglar your possessions, but they won't kill and murder civilians and are more likely to run from soldiers than fight them
16:13.06XhoRight
16:13.16XhoI'm just describing Esulus' travels going east
16:13.21Hachimanrite
16:13.25XhoLikely to have had a run-in with them
16:13.47HachimanWell yeah Gnolls are supposed to be scattered everywhere
16:14.49dromImpyDroid: I going to create an autocratic "union" of different races forced to live in an union by a power-hungry race. I'm planning to put it in Umbra, Andromeda.
16:15.11ImpyDroidIs of okay
16:16.32dromIt's to be a beating doll for the NC whenever the union annoying and tries to annex them.
16:17.47MonetSo there's a multi-race union led by one race that likes to try and annext the NC only to get beaten back into submission?
16:18.16MonetI get the impression that they give up after the NC gets al lthis new tech.
16:19.34dromThe union consists of many races, but only one race controls them and enforces slavery.
16:20.13dromOr with a milder term, forced labor.
16:21.17dromThe union is gonna be, uh, 600-1200 big in colonies but houses a population larger than NC. Because autocracy and aline racism.
16:22.09dromThe union wants NC to "join" them. But they say no repeated times. So they get fed by them and tries to annex them few times. To be gather a backlash in return.
16:22.42HachimanI always found it confusing and a bit unrealistic that a *single* race can oppress/enslave all of these other ones without problem and sustain that lifestyle for however many millennia
16:24.14dromThere's always a way around that. The controling race is a majority. Robots contributes to the enforcement.
16:24.29MonetRome sort-of managed it.
16:24.50HachimanRome also fell apart :p
16:24.56HachimanBy its own admission
16:25.12dromAnd barbarians.
16:25.14MonetIt still lasted about 600 years give or take.
16:26.09HachimanAlso I must question the value of "slaves" if a race has enough tech to support itself without their manual labour
16:26.22XhoFashion statement
16:26.30Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Esulus There we go page done
16:26.36MasterMachineMonet, didn't Rome last like 2000 years? Or are you talking about the republic?
16:26.47XhoEmpire I think
16:27.07MonetSpecifically the Western one since the Eastern one lasted a good 1000 years after it
16:27.14XhoWhich was more like 500 years than 600 but close still hur
16:27.24MasterMachine...
16:27.28MasterMachineWut
16:27.29AdmiralPandaThat and Rome didn't practice slavery for the entirety of its existence
16:27.38dromGood argurments pals, keep em going so I can make a rainbow-shaded ficiton out this.
16:27.58XhoMasterMachine: Byzantine Empire
16:28.41MasterMachineYeah I just consider that a continuation of Rome
16:29.06MasterMachineI don't get why people think their different, Byzantines armies stilled marched "for the glory and senate of Rome" up until its collapse
16:29.08XhoI don't find the Byzantine Empire as interesting as Rome
16:29.12MasterMachineMeh
16:29.23XhoToo 'modern' hur
16:29.27MasterMachinelol
16:29.47XhoAs I've said before, anything after 470 AD gets a little hazy in my knowledge
16:29.48MonetAlso the Byzantine EThe Byzantine Empire dodn't really do that much other than try and continue the legacy of ROme
16:30.07MonetAnd it was hopelesly corrupt especially in the later stages of its life
16:30.13MasterMachineThey did act as a buffer against the Muslim-Controlled Middle East
16:30.32MonetYeah until the Ottoman Turks plowed though them
16:30.36MasterMachineTechnically
16:30.52MasterMachineThey were destroyed first by a Crusade, which left them crippled when the Ottomans showed up
16:30.57MasterMachineStupid Venice
16:31.06MasterMachineKilling Constanople lol
16:31.12MasterMachinewhich I spelled wrong oops xD
16:31.38MonetI'm not sure who was the aggressor i nthe Venice-Byzantium feud.
16:31.49MonetAll I know is both nations hated each other to risk war a lot
16:31.55MasterMachineIt doesn't matter - Venice won by way of using others to fight lol
16:32.02MasterMachineVenice: Tehehe
16:32.07MonetWell it was Italian.
16:32.13MonetThat's how they fought
16:32.15MasterMachineByzantine: -urgaglalal- *dies*
16:32.20MasterMachinelol
16:32.21dromI might change the concept that it's still a bad and evil empire to live in.
16:32.46HachimanXho: Quoted
16:33.02MasterMachineWhy? A technologically advanced dictatorship could probably hold slave-level power over another people
16:33.11MasterMachineEspecially if they keep the other people primitive
16:33.12dromSuch as forced labor, medium-class corruption and political assinations in favor of keeping the unfair class-divison and autocracy.
16:33.58XhoHachiman: "The two of them are little shits, really"                 Esulus - who u callin small rabbit
16:34.14HachimanKanna - git on mah lvl fishstick
16:34.31XhoEsulus - i eat fishsticks for breakfast                             wait
16:35.22drom"Umbra Autocratic Union" or Umbra Union?
16:35.40MasterMachineUmbra Autocratic Union sounds better IMO
16:36.19dromLet's make it a more creamy /pol/ joke by calling it "Umbra Democratic Union"
16:36.38AdmiralPandaMonet: I don't know who the aggressor was, but Byzantium held a LOT of wealth that Enrico Dandolo wanted
16:36.46dromWhen it's actually nothing more but a class-divided autocracy.
16:36.48MasterMachinelol drom
16:36.52MasterMachineThat's evil
16:36.53HachimanGo back to /pol/ and never come back pls
16:36.55MasterMachineDo it :P
16:38.35dromHachiman: Ah! I zee a new target to pull my 3 gigaquadrilion debt shenangians on! *greasy laughter*
16:38.40dromrubs hands*
16:38.50MasterMachinexD
16:41.52dromBut in all seriousness. If you want a nation with promising name when it's actually nothing but a class-racist evil nation. So it's "Democratic" or should go for "Autocratic"?
16:42.10MasterMachineAutocratic is more accurate
16:42.21MasterMachineDoes the nation have a 'democratic' government?
16:42.46MasterMachine(like, elections - rigged or otherwise)
16:42.54dromThe name implies and they try to hide the grim background.
16:43.03MasterMachineHmmm
16:43.10MasterMachineGo with Democratic
16:43.37MasterMachineIt'll give them an advanage when others think they're a slow democracy
16:44.20dromGotta love to juggle it with an actual democratic nation. (Naakjian Confederation in this case)
16:46.05GhelHello.
16:47.34MasterMachineHey
16:47.42dromMasterMachine: Here is how it looks like now. I just copied over the infobox used by the NC. Because I'm too lazy to get it a new one. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Umbra_Democratic_Union
16:48.01dromAnd I'm going to have a house-meeting. Gotta prepare myself or I'll miss what's important.
16:48.31MasterMachineI like it already lol
16:48.37MasterMachineAnd cya Drom
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17:01.11dromGet the /pol/ish warriors on the go!
17:01.41GhelHello.
17:01.52MasterMachineHi OP
17:03.08HachimanHai Oluap
17:12.46AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Spriggs077/Ideas#Hot_Ship_on_Octopus_Action Did this on a whim, had the idea and wrote it up in about 15 mins or so
17:14.10MasterMachineCyall later :D
17:24.32HachimanOluapWorker: I noticed you removed some stuff from Torrent's page
17:24.43HachimanHis past mainly
17:25.07OluapWorkerit wsa poorly written
17:35.39WormyIt is Autumn now where I live.  I have decided.
17:36.42WormyThe smell of woodsmoke, leaves turning colour.  It must be so.
17:36.51Wormyand greyness has returned
17:37.02XhoBack
17:37.18XhoOluapWorker: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Esulus
17:37.23OluapWorkerseen
17:38.54WormyImperios:  There is a Hot Air Balloon landing with Russian colours!  D:
17:39.02WormyImpyDroid
17:39.28XhoI wonder what the Empire of Man would call Esulus
17:39.32XhoSuper-Aliquam
17:40.16HachimanMore like just Aliquam
17:40.24HachimanIt's slang for all non-humans after all
17:43.54XhoAlso I feel that Sun Magic should be changed from Solimancy to Heliomancy
17:46.16AdmiralPandaI would approve of this
17:48.23XhoHm, trying to think of a formal name for Void Magic
17:50.35XhoCan't think of one
17:51.46XhoTartaromancy is an idea if the idea that the Void is Koldenwelt's equivalent of the deepest of hells
17:53.02XhoAvyssomancy if the idea that the Void is the abyss
17:53.22XhoI'm not getting much feedback here
17:54.24XhoOr Hadalomancy
17:56.15HachimanHm
17:56.31HachimanI like Avyssomancy
17:56.36XhoI've given Celestial's formal name as Ouranomancy
17:57.11XhoOuranos meaning 'sky'
17:57.35HachimanWhich language?
17:57.38XhoGreek
17:57.42XhoOuranos -> Uranus
17:58.16XhoNow we just need one for Primal
18:01.15XhoXenomancy is one idea
18:01.52HachimanOoh I like that
18:02.36Xhowell add it den
18:04.22Hachimanno u
18:06.04dromWhere did MasterMachine go?
18:07.15Xhofien u lazi bastard
18:09.33XhoYou know, I haven't done an rp for a story for so long that my memory span has run out
18:13.17ImpyDroidHm
18:13.29ImpyDroidEver imagined a MMO based on SporeWiki?
18:13.47XhoMMO
18:13.51Xhoremind me what that is
18:13.51MonetWe already have done
18:13.59MonetXho: World of Warcraft.
18:14.06XhoOh right
18:14.15ImpyDroidOr STO
18:14.16XhoI get admin status as Santorakh with turning players to cheese powers
18:14.21ImpyDroidHur
18:14.54ImpyDroidFunnily enough having Santorakh as a boss would fit, MMOs are often quite wacky
18:14.58MonetI wonder what the zone progression will be though.
18:15.32ImpyDroidI mean GW2 has a disco midget goblin boss
18:15.54ImpyDroidAnd WoW has Big Bad Wolf
18:15.55XhoInsomnia map
18:16.08MonetI nominate either the DI or the Cyrannian Empire to be the new character starting zones
18:16.47XhoThey seem to be the most stable areas hur
18:17.02ImpyDroidDI starting quest
18:17.12ImpyDroid*quests
18:17.46XhoOr perhaps you just start wherever your race/class/whatever takes you
18:18.10MonetImpyDroid: Perhaps all newly-generated DI characters start off as new arrivals to Araveene?
18:18.12XhoI'd guess if you were an evil whatever with what powers you'd start in places like the dominion
18:18.14ImpyDroidYa
18:18.17MonetNot araveene
18:18.20MonetAlvadia IV
18:18.35ImpyDroidRadeons can start on Praestol
18:18.37MonetThat would be like throwing level 1s at Nar Shaddaa.
18:18.47ImpyDroid...true
18:19.08ImpyDroidFantasyverse MMO would be interesting as well
18:19.14MonetImpyDroid: I mean for DI characters starting on Araveene but I guess the analogy works for Praestol
18:19.48MonetI guess Cyrannian Empire characters coudl start off as new arrivals on Capricus
18:20.08XhoOr Mou'Cyran
18:20.22ImpyDroidActually we could have AGC and Cyrannian Empire characters as main two factions
18:20.28ImpyDroidAlso
18:20.38ImpyDroidAll human characters should have French accents
18:20.42ImpyDroidBecause Angrybirds
18:20.43MonetLol
18:20.53XhoWell any galactic governing force should be a starting faction really
18:20.59XhoAGC, Empire, Cooperative, PCA
18:21.18XhoI dunno
18:21.22XhoIt would be an extremely convoluted game
18:21.22MonetI'm seeing quite a bit of AGC paring with the Empire lately.
18:21.35ImpyDroidPCA + Cooperative vs AGC + Empire?
18:21.36Monetpairing*
18:21.52Xhoi.e. It wouldn't be released until computers have 1 PB hard drives and 256 GB RAM
18:22.03ImpyDroidKinda like WoW you know where you have one Horde but two sub-factions within it
18:22.19XhoHow much I'd give to have a desktop with 256 GB RAM
18:22.51ImpyDroidThe dirty ugly people (orcs, trolls, tauren) and classy evil people (undead, elves)
18:22.54MonetXho: We could do what The Old Republic does and maps are representative of their respective planets.
18:23.43MonetFor instance since most of the stuff that happens on Alcanti happens around Minos'Drakon, we could have a condensed map of MD as the primary exporation zone for Alcanti
18:24.25MonetI wonder what player housing could be like
18:24.48ImpyDroidSpaceships hur
18:25.05MonetWho wouldn't want to own their own mansion on Alcanti though?
18:25.49ImpyDroidRadeon and DCP characters hur
18:26.07ImpyDroidThey get identical Soviet-style living blocks
18:27.35XhoJust as long as I was a Xhodocto character hur
18:27.38MonetWormy is a better judged but idunno I get the impression that a DCP citizen would trade their housing block for a posher estate if given the oppertunity. I don't know if the desire for posessions and elegance is bred out of DCP citizens like it is among Radeons
18:28.40MonetHigh-level Dominion characters are given the option to buy houses in Inferno. And no one buys them except masochist types heh
18:29.26MonetActually given how tied it is to lore perhaps max-level characters can take a long quest chain to become Ascended/Descended?
18:29.42XhoLevel 150 Ass-Kicker
18:29.57ImpyDroidI wonder if we'll have one human race to choose or if different human factions would be considered separate like in TES
18:30.01MonetWe could potentially limit it by making the path extremely difficult but not impossible
18:30.22ImpyDroidThen by the end everyone will be Ascended hur
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18:30.28ImpyDroidHi
18:30.33WormyDCP cities morph constantly, they are fluid with buildings, infrastructure and vehicles changing shape and moving about.  A DCP citizen might not know where he will wake up tomorrow.  But he will be given work none-the-less.  I think the idea of living in posh housing to most DCP citizens would be foreign.  Only homeworlds retain more traditional housing options.
18:30.38GhelHello.
18:30.41MonetImpyDroid: Nah only the hardcore players.
18:30.53XhoWormy: So basically their home is a pre-ordained work installation
18:31.07XhoNow that just burns the lazy Xho
18:31.09WormyGrimbie would like, yeah, nice house.  But where can I work?
18:31.18Wormyindeed
18:31.37MonetWe can tailor the path so that either casuals would be likely ot give up or you'd need some very powerful gear to manage it
18:31.43ImpyDroidMonet: This give a whole new meaning to the idea of sacrificing your life for ascension
18:31.45Xho"Santorakh: Level 151 Cheesemaker"
18:32.07XhoBe funny if his player title was "Blessed Am I"
18:33.08ImpyDroidAlso we need a Scarlet Briar-like character for wrecking shit up randomly
18:33.15WormyImpy:  It kind of is ultra-Soviet, it would be as if they "go to the fields, any, with joy"!
18:33.31ImpyDroidWormy: Stakhanovets-style hur
18:33.48ImpyDroidhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement
18:34.05Wormylooks it up, yeah
18:35.09MonetImpDroid: Random Divin-Ra encounters?
18:35.30MonetOr we have Divin-Ra as one of the key plot leaders.
18:35.30ImpyDroidhur
18:36.23MonetAlso just had another idea: Two tiers of battleground PVP: Normal and ascended.
18:36.45ImpyDroidAscended PvP
18:36.56ImpyDroidHachiman - git on my level scrub
18:38.12ImpyDroidHm, what about fantasy?
18:38.19MonetAlthough I don't know how we could prevent Ascended characters fro msteamrolling over normal characters
18:38.32XhoMonet: Law of the game                dunt fite ascended characters scrub
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18:39.30XhoFantasy hm
18:39.35XhoFantasy would work better as an MMO since, well
18:39.54XhoFantasy MMOs have been around since I've had a broken voice
18:39.56ImpyDroidNerf Caligaduro plz
18:40.02MonetXho: Welll...I've never seen GMs deal with level 80s having fun in enemy starting zones
18:40.10HachimanImpyDroid: What dis
18:40.15HachimanHai Oluap
18:40.27XhoMonet: Well perhaps you just have level restrictions
18:40.32ImpyDroidWe basically wonder what a MMO based on SporeWiki would be like
18:40.37XhoFighting someone 10 levels out of your league would just be unfair
18:40.45XhoLet alone 80 levels and then the added perks on top
18:41.07ImpyDroidMonet: Or we cohld have level squish like in GW2
18:41.58Hachimanhttp://youtu.be/PJ3ov-D4ciU?t=3m17s Does anybody know whose anthem this is
18:42.13XhoRussia
18:42.15Xhodummkopf
18:42.23XhoOh wait that was a joke
18:42.27XhoOh well I missed that one
18:43.04XhoOkay let's not speak of that fail again
18:43.19XhoWell imagine if Kithworto was a character on the game
18:43.39ImpyDroidXho: So, like faction leaders?
18:43.47MonetWell if we do make an MMO, whatever it is, we chould try and keep away from being WoW because trying to be WoW never works.
18:43.48XhoJust as a player's character
18:43.53XhoLevel 150 with both ascension and descension perks as well as top-level gear
18:44.06ImpyDroidMonet: True
18:44.08XhoYou'd basically have to have no life to replicate Kithworto's abilities in a game
18:44.23MonetPerhaps we should make it so you can only choose one or the other.
18:44.31ImpyDroidWoW has dragon gods as NPCs
18:44.41dromLet's turn UDU into Poland when NC and UM (Union of Mecholift) makes a pact. Just like Germany and Russia during the WWII.
18:44.51ImpyDroidTwo as NPCs, two as bosses and one as both
18:44.52dromMecholife*
18:44.57MonetIE if you're ascended you can only switch to descended and vice versa
18:45.22XhoI wonder what item qualities would be like
18:45.28XhoWould be funny if it was like Team Fortress 2's
18:45.30ImpyDroiddrom: B-b-but UDU is a spacefaring civilisation
18:46.20Xho"Unusual Santorakh's Walking Stick:                  Level 151 Magic Wand           "Don't point that at people. You might get someone else's eye out.""
18:46.22Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Manglius How bounty hunter characters should be made
18:46.44ImpyDroidXho: wabbajack hur
18:46.55XhoSantorakh's Stick pretty much is a Wabbajack
18:46.59ImpyDroidHachiman: best characters
18:47.04ImpyDroid*character
18:47.23MonetI was thinking that item grade could be tier level.
18:47.36Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaV3T2XwIMM I wish I had modelling powers to reskin Sheogorath as Santorakh
18:47.45MonetIe common is tier 4, uncommon is tier 3, rare is tier 2 and artifact is tier 1
18:47.47Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10624719_630365353749095_3369498467698995321_n.png?oh=96ae90cdcd792061f324c0e7a291d034&oe=545E2638&__gda__=1415983118_fea96730f82f29717cfcb47c7d095c48 Best picture
18:47.55HachimanCan't stop crying
18:47.56Monetand "crap" is tier 5
18:48.25dromImpyDroid: Yes. I know, but I compared it as Poland. Because it's going to be placed between NC and UM.
18:49.33ImpyDroidMonet: Hm, imagine the racial perks for different species
18:49.47ImpyDroid...how will we balance dat shit
18:50.11MonetBalancing is one of the hardest tinhs to do when making a gme.
18:50.14ImpyDroidHachiman: Javina's favourite game
18:50.21MonetHachiman: ....How the hell do you win that?
18:50.28dromNC is annoyed and makes a counterattack against UDU, meanwhile UM is attracted by the population.
18:51.01ImpyDroidMonet: By gassing your opponent naturally
18:51.21MonetI just realised....that's the *good* kind of Swastika on there
18:52.15HachimanMonet: You grow some Ruskie pride, storm Berlin and rape and/or kill its women and children, that's how
18:52.21dromMonet: What do you mean?
18:52.59Monethttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/1003px-HinduSwastika.svg.png compare
18:53.20dromOh yeah, that one. I thought you meant something else.
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18:53.53XhoJapanese uses both 卍 and 卐
18:53.57ImpyDroidMonet: Both kinds of swastikas can be "good" really
18:54.01ImpyDroid...was about to say that
18:54.30dromAnd btw, before the swastika was used as a symbol for nazism. It was a symbol for the sun,  as used by the romes and greece.
18:54.37ImpyDroidAnd Jews
18:54.48HachimanAnd Indian cultures
18:55.04ImpyDroidThere are ancient Hebrew temples with swastikas in Israel
18:55.24XhoAnd Norse
18:55.32ImpyDroidAnd China
18:55.39ImpyDroidAnd Korea
18:55.42ImpyDroidAnd Japan
18:55.45ImpyDroidAnd Germany
18:55.46HachimanAnd the Nazi party
18:55.48ImpyDroidAnd Russia
18:55.49HachimanWait
18:55.49MonetThe Nazis hijacked its relevance really. Just like how Christians hijacked the meaning of messiah
18:57.08ImpyDroidI'd like the swastika to regain its former meaning
18:57.37dromWithout the /r/circlejerk reiving the Nazi meaning.
18:58.05Hachiman<PROTECTED>
18:58.41TekDroidPretty much the only reason it ever could regain it was if WWII was forgotten.
18:59.47dromPoland, France, Holland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovakia and more - "WWII never forget"
18:59.57ImpyDroidДИДЫ ВАИВАЛИ
19:00.02MonetI'd say give it 50-100 years
19:00.20dromNuke the shit out the countries which was annexed by Germany during the WWII, and we'll forget WWII faster.
19:00.25ImpyDroiddrom: We have our own version of it: "OUR GRANDFATHERS FOUGHT IN WWII"
19:00.42HachimanNah WW2 will probably never get forgotten until like say far distant future
19:01.39ImpyDroidWe forgot about Napoleon didn't we
19:01.59dromImpyDroid: Until you mentioned him.
19:03.03TekDroidWhenever any family members that were alive as when their family's war vets were alive, a major tragedy is unlikely to be forgotten.
19:03.43TekDroidSorry, that came out confusing.
19:04.45HachimanUnless we have another worldwide conflict with a death toll and criminality that outmatches that of WW2 *cough* Russia x Ukraine *cough* it's likely that THAT particular conflict will never, ever be forgotten, especially considering that much of the modern world stands on the foundations built during and after the war
19:04.48TekDroidBasically as long as a family member who knew a survivor is alive it won't be forgotten.
19:05.00ImpyDroidAhem ahem ahem
19:05.03ImpyDroidAhem AHEM AHEM
19:05.32ImpyDroidRussia x Ukraine conflict is no different from, say, USA vs Iraq
19:05.52HachimanIt's gonna last a while then hur
19:05.59WormyDracula Untold looks good
19:06.09TekDroidRussia x Ukraine has potential to escalate to Russia x West though.
19:06.15ImpyDroidIt's nothing extraordinary and we have committed no war crimes so far
19:06.18MonetTek's right.
19:06.25ImpyDroidUnlikely
19:06.35ImpyDroidWe are way too dependent on each other
19:06.39MonetAlready Putin's possibly antagonising Europe.
19:06.44ImpyDroidYet
19:07.14ImpyDroidWe cannot maintain our society without your economh, and you cannot maintain yours without our resources
19:07.29HachimanIf I remember correctly the UK depends on Russia for vital resources, and if Russia turns those reserves off then they're good for nothing hur
19:07.35HachimanJ/K, btw
19:08.18ImpyDroidSo I believe our countries'll just bark on each other a lot
19:08.31ImpyDroidUNLESS we team up with East Asia
19:08.41WormyI think all about the massive shale gas reserves in Ukraine.
19:08.44TekDroidThey've been doing that barking since WWII.
19:09.00ImpyDroidWormy: OURS
19:09.03ImpyDroidj/k
19:09.09Wormyhaveet
19:09.32WormyMeanwhile, Europe can have Greenland as the ice melts, and you'll help it!
19:09.37MonetWait until algae fuels come along
19:09.54ImpyDroidIn theory we can like redirect our resources to the East and join China
19:10.07HachimanBut why would anybody ever join China
19:10.15ImpyDroidBut even I doubt we will risk total war
19:10.15WormyNo shit, as the ice is retreatiung its leaving behind untapped resources and new agriocultural land
19:10.20ImpyDroidHachiman: join as in team up with
19:10.38HachimanNippon will fite you hur
19:10.45HachimanAs will South Korea
19:11.37ImpyDroidfiting is hard if you have no military of your own
19:11.49HachimanJapan does have a military you fool
19:12.00WormyA pretty big one at that.
19:12.01HachimanIt's the third highest funded national military organization in the world
19:12.25ImpyDroidIts actual capacity is quite limited I believe
19:12.49TekDroidIf Ukraine did escalate to full-scale war a full East v West would be inevitable, and that would inevitably go nuclear. No one wants to risk war.
19:12.52MonetAmerica has the single highest funding of any nation and yet its still beatable.
19:12.53WormyCould Japan fight off an attack by China, without allied support?  Or would China's massive industry win out
19:12.56Wormyand numbers
19:13.15HachimanJapan also has a massive industry
19:13.17HachimanDespite its lack of resources
19:13.23WormyThats the thing
19:13.31MonetAnd what happens if war cuts off those imports?
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19:13.39WormyChina has one of the biggest reserves of Rare Earth elements
19:14.00WormyI think resource wise, they can stand on their own
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19:14.06MonetJapan can defend itself, its why the US resorted to two nukes during WWII instead of a land invasion. Invading everyone else is probably another story
19:14.08TekDroidAmerica has more military funding that the next twenty something combined and it can still lose. :P
19:14.24HachimanIt's likely Japan would be able to fend for itself and soon they won't have to rely on stuff like gas and fossil fuels considering they're one of the figureheads of alternative energy
19:14.29MonetAn east vs wast conflict might pit Japan against the US and Royal Navy.
19:14.55WormyI don't want Japan to be enemies :(
19:15.11HachimanNobody wants to face the brutality of grorious nippon steer :p
19:15.13WormyThat, and I'm slightly scared
19:16.12WormyJapan will be rolling out war bots and giant mechas
19:16.14ImpyDroidHachiman: Energy, yes, but resources?
19:16.15TekDroidWould Japan even support Russia/China over the US?
19:16.35HachimanI imagine they would
19:16.41MonetArgentina learned the hard way why the UK is still on the UN Security Council.
19:16.43WormyNot unless some radical change affected them
19:16.43HachimanAs in, support the US
19:16.59ImpyDroidTekDroid: No but as Europe, they depend on imports
19:17.20ImpyDroidYou need glolious Chinese iron to make grorious Nippon steer
19:17.54WormyI know I've posted it already but I love it:  The Soviets had a laser tank decades ago!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug81gOdYLNU
19:18.09HachimanDespite the nukes Japan has had healthy relations with the US even before WW2, as it was the US that allowed for the foundation of modern Japan via Meiji Restoration, as well as the fact that Japan doesn't tend to really get on with the other far Eastern states from my knowledge
19:18.18Wormyand we think of them as cutting edge when we hear about laser weapons today
19:18.32ImpyDroidHachiman: Because nobody likes them hur
19:18.46HachimanCan't blame them after WW2 hur
19:18.52ImpyDroidHur
19:19.44HachimanI dunno why but this brings me back to NationStates
19:19.48ImpyDroidAnd while we're here
19:19.49WormyI could see an alliance of Russia, China, North Korea, several Middle Eastern and possibly African nations
19:20.01Wormythat is quite possible
19:20.09WormyChina has interests in Africa
19:20.16ImpyDroidLok'tar ogar
19:21.21ImpyDroidIf we ally with China, we should try to do something with North Korea
19:21.29WormyIt does kind of feel like everything is piping up to WW3, though I think its probably irrational
19:21.38ImpyDroidI mean you can make it do something useful
19:21.43HachimanDisassemble it hur
19:21.58ImpyDroidHow can you disassemble a country hur
19:22.17HachimanBy removing its politicians and government
19:22.41WormyOne reason why I think China may not support Russia in a war is because they have their own problems, and because they don't want a flood of refugees from North Korea if it got taken over by Western powers
19:22.42ImpyDroidSo behead it
19:23.10ImpyDroidThen we instate a Russian and/or Chinese puppet and invest in North Korea hur
19:23.14Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness I did this at random
19:23.24dromImpyDroid: I have decided that the UDU will have a glargish language.
19:23.32WormyNorth Korea needs more food.  That would be a start.
19:23.34ImpyDroiddrom: pshe-bzhe
19:23.41HachimanBehead NK and save its people via inserting Russian/Chinese politicians
19:24.04HachimanThen carry on the communism vs. capitalism feuds against South Korea
19:24.14dromSomething in that style, but more like gurgling fashion.
19:24.39ImpyDroidHachiman: grorious pran
19:24.52dromImpyDroid: Here's what I have got so far. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Umbra_Democratic_Union
19:25.45ImpyDroidUmbra stronk
19:26.39HachimanXho: >Peashooter
19:26.54ImpyDroidFun fact: Some Russian ultra-patriots call the EU "Gayrope"/"Gayropeans"
19:28.02HachimanI don't even know who the "villain" is in this Russia vs Ukraine thing - who/what started all of this?
19:28.10ImpyDroidNobody is hur
19:28.29ImpyDroidIt all started with the Euromaidan and the unrest in the Ukraine
19:28.36XhoOluapWorker: u c dat
19:28.50dromEU is da villain, because their proposal started the riots.
19:29.09OluapWorkerlater
19:29.23ImpyDroidThen we kinda decided it'd be an opportune moment to reclaim Crimea especially considering the chaos Ukraine was in
19:29.25drom(not really, but it all started with an innocent proposal for EU membership)
19:30.23HachimanSo Ukraine's lower classes got uppity with the government due to a proposal from the EU and Russia thought it would step in and reclaim Crimea to regain former territory and keep it safe from the riots
19:30.48ImpyDroidMore or less yep
19:30.58dromAccording to a source, the life in Crimea is getting more and more miserable.
19:31.12dromBecause the economy and infrastructure has collapsed.
19:31.23ImpyDroidAccording to my Crimean friend life in Crimea is getting better
19:32.10ImpyDroidAlthough he complained that due to the Russian education system school became a lot more difficult for him hur
19:32.32dromDats the Ukrainian curse for him. hur
19:33.14ImpyDroidI actually have two Ukrainian friends
19:33.35ImpyDroidThat Crimean guy and that creepy Asian-loving stalker girl
19:33.40HachimanI can't imagine a similar situation ever happening with the UK and we had a buttload of territory during our time as the Empire
19:33.49ImpyDroidShe's from East Ukraine
19:33.54ImpyDroidHachiman: As in?
19:34.28HachimanWell if France or Canada ever strated getting plunged into riots Britain would probably stay far away from that
19:34.31Hachiman*started
19:35.07ImpyDroidWell Crimea is like 90% Russian
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19:35.18ImpyDroidIt has been Russian for most of its history anyway
19:35.22WormyIts possible America is getting the biggest laugh you know
19:35.42ImpyDroidEast Ukraine is pretty Russian-influenced anyway
19:35.47ImpyDroid*too
19:36.04Wormyhttp://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/03/ukraine-some-thoughts-on-who-is-playing-for-what/
19:36.12HachimanI don't know who influenced who when it comes to the UK, France and neighbouring countries
19:36.39ImpyDroidFrance influenced Britain a lot but that was like ages ago
19:37.18ImpyDroidUkraine and Russia however only became separate from each other fairly recently, both culturally and politically
19:37.51ImpyDroidIn fact until the 20th century the most common term for Ukrainians was "Little Russians"
19:37.58ImpyDroidIn Ukraine itself, even
19:39.21ImpyDroidActual Russia was "Great Russia", and Belorussia was and still is "White Russia"
19:39.45ImpyDroid...I have no idea why they are "white" though
19:40.27ImpyDroidYou know what "Ukraine" actually means BTW?
19:40.57MonetNot sure
19:41.05ImpyDroidIt's archaic Russian/Ukrainian for "borderland"
19:41.28XhoI see what this is about
19:41.28ImpyDroidAs in, the border of the Russian Empire
19:41.30XhoPutin is a Vault Hunter
19:41.40HachimanAww yiss
19:42.28Monetlol
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19:42.48ImpyDroidActuallt
19:43.04ImpyDroidI think the Ukraine crisis is useful both for the West and Russia
19:43.10ImpyDroidI mean
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19:43.33ImpyDroidBoth of us now have enemies to unite against - that is, each other.
19:43.41ImpyDroid1984-style
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19:48.09MonetI'm wondering...I think the word "power" might be too broad a term to exist as "power" in high dracid.
19:49.03MonetInstead I think it would ahve at least half a dozen words ot describe the term
19:49.37ImpyDroidRussian has several words for power
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19:50.02Sporeraptorhi
19:50.08ImpyDroidWe have political power, physical power, electric power, etc
19:50.18HachimanSuperpowers hur
19:50.27SporeraptorDid I miss anything during the last few days ( I had no internet ) ?
19:50.39ImpyDroidOn the other hand we have no word for "force", so we use "power" for jt
19:50.43ImpyDroidHmmmm
19:51.07ImpyDroidGiven that we talked about LGBT and Russia today...
19:51.15ImpyDroidRemember our gay propaganda law?
19:51.22MonetImpyDroid: Yeah that is what High Dracid does
19:52.01ImpyDroidBasically, the guy that suggested it also attempted to give all embryos citizenship
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19:52.54MonetThat sounds like an anti-abortion policy
19:52.57Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness Added more there
19:53.49dromSporeraptor: You surely missed my Haldrivian creatures. hur
19:54.54Monet"I am become death. The destroyer of servers." Level 151 Oppenheimer
19:55.05Wormyhttp://www.todayifoundout.com/
19:55.06dromgod my head feels like it's going to explode
19:55.11Wormyinteresting website
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19:55.43MonetXho: That is some really broken stuff
19:56.04ImpyDroidXho the GM
19:56.30XhoI think the Firesword is the most balanced item there
19:57.16XhoOr Santorakh's book
19:57.22XhoOr his stick
19:58.06dromhands Wormy a needle*
19:58.15dromPlease stab my head with it.
19:58.24dromDo. It.
19:58.27WormyCreates a hole
19:59.09drom's head quickly deflates, stands still and twitching for few mere seconds. collapses*
19:59.20Wormy*A load of pressure is released like steam as Drom's brain takes up new volume*
20:00.01XhoI might do Fantasy items now
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20:00.08DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
20:00.08Sporeraptorhi
20:00.10dromhead inflates, but deflates because of the hole*
20:00.14Wormyhi
20:00.21DrodoEmpireSorry I wasn't on much yesterday.
20:00.28WormyAnyone-else gota headache?
20:00.34WormyDr Wormy is here
20:01.14HachimanImpyDroid: A Russian-East Asian alliance would be interesting
20:01.34ImpyDroidDuh
20:02.09dromWormy: Xho has got one, but he won't admit.
20:02.21XhoI have admitted hur
20:03.44WormySounds like he needs a wider hole
20:04.09HachimanWhat's this about a wide hole
20:04.15DrodoEmpirehur
20:04.30WormyDo you want one?
20:04.47Wormygets his drill ready
20:05.33DrodoEmpireshakes his head
20:05.46dromAssisstant Drom is now available!
20:06.33dromYa need help Wormy?
20:07.48WormyYes, you'll make a fine assistant
20:08.00WormyYou seem to know a lot about sharp tools.
20:08.49dromOfc I do. Look at those triceps too!
20:09.07dromflexes his superhumanely big arms
20:09.34WormyThat will hold anyone's pain reflex down
20:09.54dromWho is our next patient?
20:10.49dromgrabs the list*
20:11.12drom*flap* *flap* *flap* Uuuurm... DrodoEmpire?
20:12.17WormyYes, *gets a rusty drill bit*, the flaky sharp bits are useful, even if it does jam up sometimes
20:12.50dromgrabs DrodoEmpire's throat*
20:13.23dromforces DrodoEmpire into the chair with straps as he almost suffocates him with this strong grip*
20:13.36dromIt looks like he's ready to go!
20:14.59WormyDrills a massive hole in the back of the skull
20:15.24WormySee that bit of brain Drodo, thats where the Great Master that Makes the Grass Green live
20:15.48drominjects a syringe into DrodoEmpire to suppress his pain*
20:16.41dromWops! Wrong medicine!
20:16.42WormyIts all a dream Drodo, you live in your mind.
20:17.20WormyThat was the horse tranquiliser
20:17.27dromI took the super-strong one. Not the Canadian-friendly one.
20:17.53WormyI think Ghelaway is next.
20:18.08WormyHm, his skull is...  Different.
20:18.09dromAye, let's revive him!
20:18.48WormyYou might need to use those strong arms and strong voice of yours.
20:19.26dromprepares the equipment*
20:20.42dromlater goes to a fuse cabinet, penerates his strong arms through the hatch and rips out two 400V wires*
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20:22.02dromLet's do this!
20:22.24TekDroidHello
20:22.34dromforces Ghelaway's stale body on the strechter*
20:22.41TekDroidO.o
20:22.48Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness Added more
20:23.09dromItemness
20:23.11dromgenius
20:24.18WormyHumph, the drillbit wore out
20:24.34WormyGoes on a quest for a diamond drill
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20:25.17dromEy, Dr. Wormy. There's a platinum drill over there!
20:25.39WormyWe'll give that a go
20:26.04WormyOtherwise, we will have use sandpaper
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20:27.04AdmiralPandahi all
20:27.35HachimanHi
20:28.21dromuses an ultra-croase sandpaper and removes the flesh and skin from the bone of Ghelaway's forehead*
20:28.37dromDrillin' time!
20:29.12Wormybegins drilling
20:29.29WormyOMG, do you hear that sound?
20:30.04dromUrruh, rrrnooo?
20:30.12WormyIt sounds like the drums of war, cup your ear
20:30.28Wormycarries on drilling
20:30.36WormyIts getting louder
20:30.53dromDrom. Blood. Thirsty!
20:31.29drommakes a lethal stroke on the drill*
20:31.53dromThat skull-cracking sound, sounds good!
20:32.00Wormy*Unleashes whatever cosmic horror was trapped in in Ghelaway's skull*
20:33.39AdmiralPandasecretly is puppies
20:33.39dromgrabs the two 400V wires and connects them to Ghelaway's brain*
20:34.48drom*sniffff* Can you feel that nice stence of grill?
20:34.50Wormy*Fried puppies fall out*
20:35.19WormyIts like jerky
20:35.32Wormyhands them out to Hachiman's many children
20:36.27dromThose furry abominations!
20:37.28Technobliteratoryo peoples
20:37.33Technobliteratorcan you all give ideas on the forum :o
20:38.32dromNo. We are practising real medicine!
20:41.39XhoTechnobliterator: Honestly, too much tl;dr for me to give a shit
20:41.50Technobliteratorheh
20:42.57Wormy"Stop calling me Xhodocto3546"
20:43.04WormyWho is calling you that?
20:43.11WormyLooks a bit random lol
20:43.25HachimanI feel that with a lack of coordinators this fiction will go to shit relatively quickly before its halfway point but that's just me
20:43.55Technobliterator"Stop calling me Xhodocto3546." I said that because that was the name you were using back then :o
20:44.14HachimanI'm probably not gonna get involved so it doesn't matter much to me anyway
20:44.30HachimanEven if this was my idea
20:44.35MonetThere...might be some truth ot that.
20:44.54MonetIts the job of a coordinator to, well, coordinate what's going on, which includes keeping the fiction's pace up
20:45.34XhoI'm with the blue rabbit on this one
20:45.43WormyI don't think coordinators are absolutely necessary to outline the fiction
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20:45.59Technobliteratorif it becomes chaotic half way through, we can appoint a co-ordinator or two
20:46.03Technobliteratorif it does not, there is no need
20:46.09WormyYeah
20:46.23WormyLook, I don't think we can make any long term predictions
20:46.32HachimanIf it turns out that it really does need coordinators halfway through then it's failed as a fiction
20:46.33WormyAll we can do is try
20:46.35XhoWell there is a problem with this
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20:46.52Liquid_InkHello everybody
20:46.52XhoHow are you gonna get it to kick off without someone leading it
20:46.55XhoHello
20:47.04MonetHello
20:47.08WormyI don't see that as being a problem.  However, once we have coordinators, we can't change back.
20:47.09Technobliteratorhi Liquid
20:47.21WormyDid anyone read my comment?
20:47.30Technobliteratorexactly, we can go from no co-ordinators to co-ordinators easily, but not the other way around
20:47.32WormyI gave an explanation why I think it could work
20:47.37HachimanAnd if it does go to shit halfway through and needs the appointment of a coordinator, guess what, the fiction's already in shambles and you'll have tons of self-nominators wanting to coordinate
20:48.24Wormyread my opposition if you haven't http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189114
20:48.25Technobliteratorthat is a hypothetical worst-case scenario
20:48.45HachimanThis wiki has a thing for worst-case scenarios
20:48.51HachimanLook at GC
20:48.52WormyYeah, we can't know if it will lead to one however
20:49.08WormyThe same could happen with coordinators at a worst case
20:49.33HachimanEither way it doesn't really matter much to me
20:49.35TechnobliteratorI can think of hypothetical worst-case scenarios for a lot of fictions that have gone well
20:49.48WormyI mean, the fiction universe as a whole is ruled not by coordinators by by the most active users
20:50.04HachimanI'm not getting involved so if it goes wrong it's not my fault, but if it does then don't say I didn't warn you beforehand
20:50.10WormyWe did try to have them once
20:50.27MonetHow did we manage with the War of Ages?
20:50.29TechnobliteratorFictionverse Coordinators was a horrible idea ._.
20:50.36Technobliteratorwe managed with Xho and Valader
20:50.41Technobliteratorthose are the gold ages I want to get back to
20:50.50WormyWe had coordinators, but that was a different kind of fiction to this.
20:51.05MonetIt was still fairly large-scale wasn't it?
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20:51.11WormyThis is supposed to be bigger and doesn't have a goal or fixed ending.
20:51.17MonetI think one possible problem is that there isn't one fiction style anymore.
20:51.21Technobliteratorthere was also Station Halcyon
20:51.33Technobliteratorwere there coordinators for that?
20:51.38WormyNone really
20:51.48Technobliteratormhm
20:51.53HachimanAnd it fell apart
20:51.54WormyI'm going to restart it soon
20:51.57MonetStation Halcyon was more open-ended though wasn't it?
20:52.07Technobliteratorpeople lost interest in it
20:52.11WormyBy the sounds of it, so is this fiction
20:52.19Technobliteratorno, this one is not open-ended
20:52.26WormyWe lost interest in it because it needed retconning
20:52.39Wormyand laziness
20:52.52MonetI rememebr hearing about an incident with a disagreable user and when he left it couldn't be continued
20:53.02TechnobliteratorR17
20:53.05dromThe votings are now 50:50 ftw
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20:53.34Sporeraptorhi
20:53.37WormyI think one thing that undercuts all this is that this fiction doesn't have a planned ending/
20:53.50TechnobliteratorIt can do
20:53.53WormyWithout one, I think coordinators are a bad idea personally
20:53.57Technobliteratoras soon as people suggest ideas
20:54.04Technobliteratorwhich no one has so far...:/
20:54.14dromLet's have anarchy instead.
20:54.25WormyIts real anarchy though
20:54.29Wormy*its NOT
20:54.45Technobliteratorhaving no co-ordinators is more wikilike anyway
20:54.48WormyThe fiction in my conception, is ruled by people making the most out of it
20:54.50Technobliteratorthere are no coordinators for editing pages
20:55.12Technobliteratorin mine, it is just like any wiki page that people contribute to
20:55.24Technobliteratorthe more the contribute, the more it is "theirs", the more their name appears in the page history
20:55.26Technobliteratoretc etc
20:55.30Wormyyes
20:55.35WormyThats what I mean
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20:56.02WormyOnly then we can get more traditional fictions, maybe with coordinators
20:56.07Knight_AlienHi
20:56.15WormyWe need to map out the new space first
20:56.23WormyWe don't even know what this fiction is yet
20:56.43dromWe have to create a Google Document so we can pull in our ideas.
20:56.56WormyWhy a google document?
20:57.10dromAnyone, with the access can contribute.
20:57.24WormySounds like a wiki test page
20:57.31dromHm.
20:57.39WormyThats an idea
20:58.03Technobliteratornot a terrible idea, but I don't see why a /test doesn't work either
20:58.08WormyHowabout we create fictions in the new fictionspace (being metaphorical there), then see what major stories we can make?
20:58.22dromBut I think there's other alternatives though.
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20:58.29Technobliteratoreh, I was hoping people would add to the forum instead
20:58.34WormyThat will drag in a lot of ideas
20:58.36Technobliteratoranyway, this page would not be created in fictionspace
20:58.40Technobliteratorit will be Projectspace
20:58.56Wormy(metathorical)
20:59.01Technobliteratorie Project:Fiction Universe/thing
20:59.17WormyI meant like, phasespace, or timespace, or languagespace
20:59.38WormyThe problem is, the forum might be too well, boring
20:59.54WormyBut if people create nice fictions, other people might want it
21:00.03Wormyand make their own
21:03.02WormyTo tell you the truth
21:03.12WormyI have no energy for this fiction yet
21:03.34Technobliteratorit's barely a concept, so far
21:03.48WormyAnd won't for a while.  I can mull over ideas for it, but I've got too much on my hands as it is
21:04.07WormyI hope by late into the year, I can have a start
21:04.09XhoI'm not sure whether what I said during the debate has been taken on board at all here
21:04.19MonetHard to start a fiction when several of us are due to start out studies again very soon
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21:14.04dromJoan Cornella has to be my favorite
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21:21.55Liquid_Inkslaps Hachiman.
21:22.12dromOi. I got some porn for you Hachi
21:22.29HachimanNot interested in porn right now
21:22.34Liquid_Inkhttp://pastie.org/private/0ge4fzkeqqhwbmbxueiw Here, some erotic fiction.
21:22.37dromNot really. But have this instead. http://imgur.com/account/favorites/UnwCb
21:22.58Liquid_InkLink doesn't work.
21:23.50dromWups
21:24.22dromBe warned though. http://imgur.com/gallery/UnwCb
21:26.14HachimanBrilliant
21:28.14dromAngrybirds: Human technology in a nutshell. http://i.imgur.com/XphAYZ7.gif
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21:28.44Angrybirdslul, IRL, or in Sporewiki?
21:28.45Knight_AlienXD
21:28.51HachimanTinder's fucking stupid anyway
21:29.00HachimanAs is most social sites nowadays
21:29.12Hachiman*are
21:29.25dromAngrybirds: Both
21:29.35AngrybirdsFrance - D:
21:30.04dromSpecially those with a rating below "Average"
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21:31.16AngrybirdsThose things that are below average are generally not terrible as in they break down constantly, but simply don't match up to modern technology in terms of power and efficiency.
21:31.42MonetTBF...the car was biult by the gang at Top Gear.
21:32.13MonetIronically if I rememebr the episode I think that car was designed to be used ocmfortably by pensioners
21:32.28AngrybirdsKind of how the B-17 still works perfectly a century later and is the only plane design in existence to have no definite lifespan, but it doesn't even compare to the jet bombers used today.
21:33.12Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189114#22 Made a post
21:33.23WormyAmericans used that helicoptor for decades
21:34.49AngrybirdsB-17 is a dual propeller plane*
21:35.45AngrybirdsBut yes, and it's still being used for commercial purposes today.
21:37.39XhoI'm really beginning to lose my temper with these discussions
21:37.43Wormyreplied
21:38.52WormyI added "Part of the problem is that we don't know the ending for this yet. I suggest we get to work on that and not worry too much."
21:39.37dromtesting
21:39.49dromThe inputs still doesn't work. Bah
21:40.12XhoI think the wiki is beginning to run around like a headless chicken
21:40.45XhoI think it's actually falling apart faster trying to solve these things than actually having a problem
21:41.06WormyI think I'll also add that it is necessary to argue about.  I think I have to admit, I was imaging the worst-case scenario with coordinators.  But I think we are worrying too much about this fiction without coordination
21:41.16Wormy*unnecessary
21:41.18Wormysorry
21:41.32XhoWe're worrying too much in general because everyone's tip-toeing around each other not trying to cause a shitstorm
21:41.43Wormylol, one way to put it
21:42.08WormyI seriously think all we can do is, "do dis sheet"
21:43.25dromXho: We can solve it by stomping the toes.
21:43.47XhoI'm so fed up with this parade that I almost wish users explode again
21:44.24drom"Should charators drop charator exhaustive items?"
21:44.33HachimanI'll say it now; I contributed a large part to the idea of this fiction, with my idea being the one that urged everyone, including the new users, towards it (with Wormy and Panda's own contributing towards its popularity probably) and it wouldn't have mattered if I had stayed in the fiction or not - the "no coordinators" policy is going to bastardize the vision that I had intended to coincide alongside the idea
21:44.39dromI don't know why, but I laughed at that one.
21:45.04XhoEverything sounds so false at the moment and I want everyone to just shut up discussing things and get on with what they're doing
21:45.15XhoJust to return the wiki to some kind of normality
21:46.15MonetI'm going ot have ot agree with Hachi here.
21:46.40MonetThis fiction could fall apart really fast if we decide there won't be anyone to roganise things, i've seen it happen.
21:47.00Monetorganise, ccordinate, whatever
21:47.15WormyHachiman:  Did me saying only the users most active rule the roost worry you that your contribution won't go ahead?
21:47.16MonetAnd I don't mean the last fiction.
21:47.32WormyI see what you mean
21:48.01XhoThis is all really putting me off doing things on the wiki you know
21:48.45XhoIt's kind of why I'm sticking to the Fantasyverse because nothing dramatic is going on in it
21:48.57WormyI was hoping that, my ideas of hyperspace, and yours, could be melded somehow into the main central story, simply because itas great and we could try hard to make it so.  And even if it doesn't make the main story, I thought it could become an important part.
21:50.44dromTime to go. See ya pals.
21:50.48drom~explode
21:50.48infobotBOOOM
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21:55.44WormyAs I was saying to Monet, I disagree that coordinators are absolutely essential to the background on this new fiction (its foundations).  I think there is confusion because we don't actually have any storylines in the foreground yet.  I'm hoping we be chaotic and map it out.  And when we do have foreground stories (say the main story) we will probably need coordination
21:56.20WormyWe could skip my idea and just go straight to the main plot
21:56.46WormyBut then, people will complain, coordinators have their own limits, and I couldn't keep up with being paced
21:57.17WormyThey are the scenarios I guess may happen at worst
21:57.25Liquid_InkOh jesus christ I just saw a gif of a woman with a live spider in her mouth letting it crawl out
21:57.39WormyI'm not trying to argue, I just want people to understand where I'm at too.
21:57.55WormyIn fact, I agree that coordination might be needed so
21:58.23Xhohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BusY2H-CQAMKQc3.jpg:large I feel like posting this sometimes
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22:04.13Xhohttps://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10426843_918906961463649_3447114173116703900_n.jpg?oh=e0a8532c15d9f0c74eac14df7c0cf050&oe=547EB3B1&__gda__=1416625031_487727aee84c9dfc34dfd4b47e21d146
22:05.29Xho"historians say the original sext was 58008 on a calculator upside down"
22:05.59XhoRight I must go to sleep now since my brain has calcified
22:06.43Wormyshould have took up my offer of drilling.
22:08.36MonetDamn Xho's post was dumb
22:08.59WormyThat re-think thing?  Yes
22:09.25WormyIf you took the child with the house of fire, you'd be labelled a hero
22:09.27MonetI think all five could be answered with "because those peop lare authorised to do it. You aren't."
22:11.24MonetAlthough for all I know I'd probably be branded a conformist drone to governments or saying it.
22:13.01HachimanAlso the fact that those people that are allowed to do it aren't uneducated fucktards
22:13.15HachimanAnd know what they're doing
22:13.31MonetEven the Ford and Chevy drivers who are allowed to crash into each other.
22:15.19Tek0516~test
22:15.19infobotrumour has it, test is not funny
22:16.17MonetAlthough I join the poster in that, not being American and not having grown up knowing much about the whole Ford vs. Chevrolet thing, I question why they do it.
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22:27.20Wormyhi
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22:35.16WormyI'm watching state visit caremonies between different nations
22:35.24WormyFunny seeing traditions
22:37.32WormyLooks so...  Old fashioned
22:37.36Wormytribal
22:40.40Tek0516In a sense, isn't it basically carried over from that?
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22:42.58TekDroidWalking across the campus which already has subpar signal. XD
22:43.02WormyIt is I guess
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23:04.53WormyHah
23:05.44WormyPeople who believe Dinosaurs are still alive (creationists and none creationists) need to explain why they haven't appeared in 65 million years of fossil record since.
23:06.13WormyThe argument "jungles are big and dense" doesn't escape the fossil record
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23:06.55Tek0516They only live in places we haven't checked the fossil record? :P
23:07.10WormyIts amazing how one can think of ridiculously simple refutations.
23:07.17MonetI think I met one creationist who mentioned discovered fossil evidence in a craton in Candada (I think) had dinosaur fossils all over the place and not in the layers they "should" be
23:08.04AngrybirdsThere was a guy next to me on a motorcycle. He was wearing a helmet, underwear, and a fake leather jacket. That's it.
23:08.10Tek0516You mean in a place where an impact scattered layers of rock everywhere?
23:08.17Tek0516O.o
23:09.42MonetTek0516: CratON not CratER.
23:09.48Tek0516Oh.
23:11.03MonetPlaces that, due to having no volcanic or tectonic activity whatsoever due ot being so deep within the region of a tectonic plate that they're like geological time machines.
23:11.31Tek0516Ah.
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23:16.00WormyDid anyone reply I had a major disconnection
23:16.34Tek0516Not really.
23:17.35WormyI was going to say, its true that most conditions don't allow fossilisation, but given a timespan of 65 million years, around the globe, and the fact geologists are good at finding the tiniest trace fossils, and geochemists able to understand so much, its highly inprobably they'd go unnoticed
23:18.57WormyOf course creationists would argue against all that, but I stumbled across a conversation of people who believed in evolution, but still think dinosaurs exist
23:19.24WormyWell they kinda do with birds but they want sauropods and T Rex probably
23:19.49MonetA couple of creationists I've known appear to assume the only kind of radiological dating is via Carbon-14. Thus anything that could be older than 30,000 years (or is it 300k?) is a lie.
23:20.21AngrybirdsI'm currently writing France's relations page. How would you guys describe France's foreign policy?
23:20.54Tek0516Angrybirds: I imagine a "USA!"-esque chant. XD
23:21.06Angrybirdso.O
23:21.12AngrybirdsWhy is that? xD
23:21.20Tek0516I have no idea. XD
23:23.20Wormy50,000 years at most
23:23.51WormyParticle accelerators can extend it to 100,000
23:23.55Wormysomehow
23:25.35WormyI think its to differentiate low concentrations carbon-14 from nitrogen-14 which is of similar mass
23:26.43Wormy_STOI'll play with my Gorn ship then do some fiction
23:26.47MonetNevermind the fact that I don't think carbon can be found in fossils when the most common composition of rock on thep lanet is silicon dioxide
23:27.52Wormy_STOYeah, there are much longer ranges, like Potassium-argon dating
23:28.13Wormy_STOUranium-lead
23:29.00Wormy_STORubidium-strontium dating method would have a range of 50 billion years if the universe was as old as that
23:31.16Wormy_STOSTO's launcher 25 Mb update
23:31.23Wormy_STOwat
23:32.17Wormy_STOohgod
23:32.29Wormy_STOthe launcher changed to delete me
23:32.38Wormy_STOa new one appeared and my Avast is scanning it
23:32.53Wormy_STOI hope a virus hasn't infected STO
23:33.05Wormy_STOnah
23:33.19Wormy_STOits all good
23:42.51AngrybirdsWormy_STO : What is a word for a field that studies alien cultures?
23:46.27MonetAngrybirds: Xenosociology?
23:46.40AngrybirdsDanke
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23:55.52OfficerJackalJello!
23:55.54OfficerJackalHello*
23:55.55OfficerJackalDerp.

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