00:00.14 | Wormy | I've been making a fruit crumble from berries picked in the gardem |
00:00.29 | Hachiman | Ooh crumble <3 |
00:00.35 | Hachiman | Wait this late at night? |
00:00.44 | Wormy | Yeah, I'm mad like that. |
00:01.06 | Wormy | I think it along with pie is my favourite desertt |
00:01.08 | Hachiman | Shit I wish I could have the stamina to go out, pick berries, and make a crumble at night hur |
00:01.36 | Monet_ | Night owls are good like that |
00:02.15 | Wormy | I think I'm a creature of the night |
00:02.54 | Wormy | I'm amazed how the Soviets were making a laser tank decades ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug81gOdYLNU |
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00:03.20 | Quark8 | Hello. |
00:03.32 | Monet_ | Wormy: Why not Tesla tanks? |
00:03.43 | Monet_ | Then again lightning's s stupid weapon |
00:03.50 | Wormy | lol |
00:04.07 | Wormy | I think an electrolaser weapon is being developed by the US |
00:04.19 | Tek0516 | "Soviets" "laser tanks" Sounds like your average sci-fi cold war game. XD |
00:04.48 | Wormy | it creates a particle beam, which creates a flow that conducts artificial lightning |
00:06.46 | Hachiman | Wormy: You got me hooked on Hidria Spacefolk |
00:07.08 | Wormy | Glad I did, they were great to see at the festival |
00:07.30 | Wormy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwngWjCsPgE |
00:07.36 | Wormy | There they are live there |
00:08.48 | Wormy | and http://youtu.be/0LIRvz0FrEw?t=6m33s |
00:26.23 | Wormy | Well, its nice |
00:26.37 | Wormy | Considering the scales broke and I used my intuition |
00:26.55 | Wormy | on the amounts of ingredients |
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01:11.33 | Tek0516 | Hello |
01:11.44 | Wormy | bye |
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01:30.41 | Technodroid | no wormy? :c |
01:31.16 | Technodroid | ah well |
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01:50.35 | Guest89537 | Wow, it's calm in there. |
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01:51.56 | Vincent20100 | It is calm in there... |
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02:16.03 | Vincent20100 | Hey KA |
02:16.29 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
02:16.39 | Knight_Alien | I timed out or somthing it seems. |
02:17.07 | Knight_Alien | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eldarisian_Empire#Empire_Police_force The Complete/Finished Police of the Empire. |
02:17.25 | Knight_Alien | And even a picture of what they look like. |
02:23.21 | Knight_Alien | I have changed a few of their methods though. |
03:13.02 | Knight_Alien | It seems to be dead tonight. |
04:15.42 | TekDroid | Aye. |
04:18.10 | TekDroid | ~test |
04:18.10 | infobot | methinks test is not funny |
05:16.52 | Angrybirds | K/D : 5006 to 1996 |
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05:47.47 | drom_sicko | Still sicko! |
05:51.00 | Liquid_Ink | Oh dear |
05:54.19 | drom_sicko | Atleast it got better than it was before |
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07:00.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
07:03.41 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
07:04.38 | Liquid_Ink | I'm not sure why anybody is surprised at what's going on in Ukraine. Putin did warn many years ago that this would happen if Ukraine got too friendly with NATO |
07:09.16 | Ghelae | People will be surprised by anything if you let them. |
07:10.29 | Liquid_Ink | And really, the pro-Russian separatists are no different from the Euromaiden revolutionaries. |
07:11.10 | drom_sicko | Austraila is going to build a embassy there. |
07:15.23 | drom_sicko | brb gonna play some invisible inc. to get my espionage glands tingling. |
07:52.09 | drom_sicko | I give fucking up |
07:52.26 | drom_sicko | I told my agent to knock out that fucking guard. But instead, he just stood there. |
07:53.52 | drom_sicko | And that got him killed. Because he was the only one who had an active stungun. |
08:54.55 | Liquid_Ink | I wonder what would have happened if the Galactic Republic had just let the Seperatists secede and live in peace? |
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09:15.32 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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10:06.02 | Wormy | hi |
10:09.19 | drom_sicko | I have learnt that you should never leave your mail open in a high-security building. Ever. |
10:10.36 | Liquid_Ink | Oh? |
10:13.00 | drom_sicko | If the building has a high-security, the more likely it will be targeted by a shady goverment espionage agency if the CEO does something shady. |
10:13.50 | drom_sicko | Corporate Espionage is bitch. |
10:15.05 | drom_sicko | Have a screenshot of what told me so. http://i.imgur.com/22UcfWj.jpg |
10:15.11 | drom_sicko | Invisible Inc. is the game. |
10:16.57 | Liquid_Ink | Cool |
10:18.21 | drom_sicko | The game is pretty fun, and annoying when you realise that you just did something wrong. |
10:18.35 | drom_sicko | The game is all about espionage and stealth. |
10:19.17 | drom_sicko | The game is, however, an Early Access game. In the Alpha state. Good thing that it's a Kiel Entertainment game. |
10:34.02 | drom_sicko | http://i.imgur.com/9ZFVUBx.jpg |
10:40.34 | Wormy | I can feel hot chilli ploughing up my bowels |
10:40.41 | Wormy | ngh |
10:40.49 | Liquid_Ink | That's a pleasant image |
10:41.01 | Wormy | 3lol |
10:42.10 | Wormy | g2g quickly |
10:47.22 | drom_sicko | My brust after seeing a russian messing with a van filled with fellow russians cosplaying as cartoon characters. |
10:47.29 | drom_sicko | My lungs brust* |
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10:57.05 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
11:00.18 | drom_sicko | ImpyDroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU |
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11:02.39 | Wormy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIBTg7q9oNc |
11:02.41 | Wormy | Hi |
11:02.51 | drom_sicko | Hai |
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11:03.47 | Jepardi | Hi |
11:03.51 | Wormy | hi |
11:04.02 | Xho | I think I want to die now |
11:04.06 | Xho | This cold is getting serious |
11:04.53 | Liquid_Ink | Did you catch drom's cold? |
11:05.01 | Xho | Probably |
11:05.15 | Liquid_Ink | Hmm. My sister also has a cold. |
11:05.21 | Xho | I woke up this morning and I just went "no" |
11:06.54 | Liquid_Ink | https://38.media.tumblr.com/683b3dbe598bb88cd2e075be039a9bb5/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo1_500.gif |
11:07.09 | drom_sicko | August/September = The Cold's golden month(s) |
11:07.15 | Liquid_Ink | https://33.media.tumblr.com/81602eafccd63355280bc7645f12eda4/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo3_500.gif |
11:08.43 | Wormy | good for her |
11:09.11 | Wormy | My guts still feel ploughed |
11:09.14 | Wormy | damnit |
11:09.20 | Liquid_Ink | https://33.media.tumblr.com/e736c9c6de1bcf1afca39da69dff9c57/tumblr_n4ut3dxq6d1sc20iqo4_500.gif |
11:10.24 | drom_sicko | http://osztas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/egeszsegedre.jpg |
11:10.51 | Wormy | I hate printers |
11:11.48 | drom_sicko | http://i.imgur.com/ktrBaWW.jpg |
11:14.39 | Liquid_Ink | http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5io4vq9GL1qebtweo1_1280.png |
11:14.46 | Liquid_Ink | "Do you think anyone will notice theyâre just cardboard cutouts?" |
11:14.47 | Liquid_Ink | "Look, weâve already stretched the budget to £10.50, theyâll just have to deal with it." |
11:16.36 | drom_sicko | Found Hachi's wet dream. https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/518eceae290aec7a3c73b0ce17617e35/tumblr_najrs0DAZ11tipfq8o1_1280.jpg |
11:18.07 | Wormy | lol |
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11:26.25 | Monet | Hi |
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11:27.40 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
11:28.35 | drom_sicko | Hai Monet and Panda |
11:30.24 | Monet | Hello |
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11:31.01 | Monet | drom: Are you will or are you watching one of Michael Moore's films? |
11:31.07 | Monet | ill* |
11:31.14 | drom_sicko | w0t |
11:31.21 | drom_sicko | I'm still ill from the cold. |
11:31.28 | Monet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko |
11:31.31 | Monet | Oh... |
11:31.32 | drom_sicko | On the other side: http://i.imgur.com/EKPWRYj.png |
11:31.59 | Wormy | Fuck IQ |
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11:32.53 | Wormy | I just thought of something that transcends IQ |
11:33.02 | Monet | Wormy: Yeah? |
11:34.42 | Wormy | Suppose, it tested two people on fast they can do a maths problem. Person A gets the higher score over speed, person B clearly can't calculate as quickly using formal rules. But that ISN'T real human intelligence at work, because it is often the case that people who struggle with problems FIND NEW WAYS to solve the problem, by thinking outside the system. It might be slower but that shouldn't matter. |
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11:35.40 | Wormy | Human intelligence is so complicated I don't think IQ can abstract it. Its a fictional number that tests itself. |
11:36.08 | Monet | brb |
11:36.27 | Wormy | At best, it can show if someone is learning more slowly than others. But people who take pride in high IQ are not really much if anything better. |
11:38.05 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: IQ is never used in anything official anymore, because people realised very quickly it's inherently flawed and biased |
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11:38.26 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
11:38.35 | Wormy | Good, but there are still people who flaunt it about, or use it in schools by the sounds of it. |
11:40.28 | Ghel | Hello. |
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11:44.49 | Ghel | Remember that conversation yesterday about that image with the words holism, reductionism, and mu? |
11:44.49 | Wormy_ | I very much doubt IQ is the cutting edge tool of cognitive scientists and neurologists |
11:44.53 | Wormy_ | Yes |
11:45.04 | Ghel | Some synchronicity for you: so does today's http://xkcd.com if you zoom into the right places. |
11:46.01 | Wormy_ | Its a strange loop! |
11:46.24 | Wormy_ | Reading Ant Fugue, I think it represents organisation up and down emergent levels |
11:46.45 | Wormy_ | Its what makes an ant colony different to a container of gas molecules |
11:50.00 | Wormy_ | ANTEATER: That highlights a very interesting difference between the explanation of the behavior of an ant colony and the explanation of the behavior of gas inside a container. One can explain the behavior of the gas simply by calculating the statistical properties of the motions of its molecules. There is no need to discuss any higher elements of structure than molecules, except the full gas itself. On the other hand, in an ant col |
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11:50.20 | Wormy_ | you can't even begin to understand the activities of the colony unless you go through several layers of structure. |
11:50.24 | Wormy_ | hi |
11:50.27 | Vincent20100 | HEy! |
11:50.52 | Ghel | Hello. |
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11:51.14 | Ghel | Hello. |
11:51.46 | Monet | Sorry about that, my laptop was doing that thign again where something tanks my useable memory. |
11:54.17 | Monet | Wormy: When it comes down to it I think IQ tests are farily abstract |
11:54.42 | Wormy_ | The error prone languages of human beings sounds inefficient and imprecise, interuptions, improper syntax, coughing even compared to programs in a computer. |
11:54.54 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: After you dc'ed I mentioned that officially, the IQ has been completely discredited |
11:55.53 | Wormy_ | Though human brains operate on a high level, programs and interpreters on a low level. The difficulty with computer science is that machines have hierarchies which must communicate with each other |
11:56.36 | Wormy_ | And so must we, somewhere between genes, organelles, cells, the nervous system.... And so on up the scale |
11:57.27 | Wormy_ | I just think human mind is so complex you see, it can't be rigidly defined |
11:58.50 | Xho | My IQ is higher than Edward Snowden's anyway and yet I have the attention span of a goldfish |
11:58.57 | Monet | I don't think I ever bothered to test my IQ apart from some quickie website. |
11:58.59 | Xho | Just goes to show how flawed it is |
11:59.47 | Monet | When I did it was apparently 140-someting although being a web-based test I'm dubious about the results. |
11:59.48 | Wormy_ | Theoretical physicists don't need monstrous IQ's, that's the thing. |
12:00.01 | Wormy_ | And they work with extreme abstraction. |
12:00.24 | Monet | Xho: Attention span aside I'd say you can be rather brilliant at times. |
12:00.59 | Xho | aww |
12:01.02 | Xho | Wait what |
12:01.13 | Wormy_ | You are good with language and seem to know a lot of philosophy. |
12:01.35 | Monet | There is such a thing as an absent-minded genius. If this is offensive I apologise but it's the best term I can think of. |
12:01.38 | Xho | I think we can agree I'm intelligent but switched off |
12:03.39 | Xho | I will never understand maths or science though |
12:04.49 | Monet | I'd say that's academic stuff. Although the core of what science is I think is fairly simple. |
12:04.49 | Wormy_ | That does not negate intelligence. |
12:05.13 | Monet | Science is an observation tested and examined to the point a conclusion can be made. |
12:05.36 | Wormy_ | Science is really a competition of ideas, not scientists and how smart they are. |
12:06.23 | Wormy_ | Nature doesn't care how clever you are |
12:07.05 | Xho | My job does hur |
12:07.42 | Monet | That's because your job is governed by people, who do care about how clever someone is. |
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12:08.06 | AdmiralPanda | Mine just cares how quickly I can pick up a bundle of papers, pull it apart, and put it back together again :P |
12:08.15 | AdmiralPanda | and occasionally stamp one |
12:08.26 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: Same pretty much hur |
12:08.40 | Xho | Except I have no control over coordination and I get bored within 2 minutes |
12:09.07 | AdmiralPanda | I just think about D&D or sporewiki while I'm doing it |
12:09.22 | Liquid_Ink | tries to sell Technobliterator a CD in which the nameless artist recorded only silence with no album title, no song titles and no cover art. |
12:09.35 | Technobliterator | :o |
12:09.50 | AdmiralPanda | buys this cd, scratches the hell out of it, and sells it as dubstep |
12:10.12 | Liquid_Ink | This artist subsequently releases an album titled "stop frabricating my music, Liquid Ink" |
12:10.33 | Wormy_ | As for a low in my intelligence, I have terrible problems keeping organised, atm I've lost an important letter in a pile of crap |
12:11.23 | Xho | I think my fiction just shows how organised I am not |
12:11.53 | AdmiralPanda | I'd say your fiction progress more than your fiction itself |
12:12.12 | Monet | Stuff like remembering the names of the various parts of the human body or knowing all the elements of the periodic table is knowledge. Not strictly intelligence. |
12:12.45 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Except if you're a character in D&D :P |
12:13.07 | Monet | Intelligence can help with memory I admit. |
12:13.25 | Xho | I can build up on things but I don't pay attention to actually updating pages on the wiki |
12:13.40 | Xho | I don't know why I'd want to do it if it's so boring and time-consuming when I can be doing something else |
12:14.15 | Monet | I'm a bit like that with pictures for the wiki. |
12:14.43 | Xho | I'm like that everywhere hur |
12:14.48 | Xho | My managers don't like it very much at work |
12:14.55 | Monet | I'd *like* to cover my stories in pictures but it takes me a couple of hours to make one so I normally go "fuck it, description porn" |
12:15.10 | Xho | But I always find something useful to do at work so they can't complain |
12:17.32 | drom_sicko | Are we still talking about IQ? |
12:20.34 | Wormy_ | The lows of my intelligence: Social understanding, personal organisation, lack of common sense. But then, most of that is because I live aspie bubbles and thinking about something complex but having little in common with daily life |
12:21.02 | Monet | BTW Drom I'm curious have you considered this for your fiction? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LowCultureHighTech I imagine that tier 2s probably have schools of scientific understanding perhaps unheard of or purely hypothetical for tier 4s |
12:21.53 | Wormy_ | Atm I'm trying to refute IQ as not measuring the real ghost of the machine under the skin of processes its testing |
12:22.24 | Wormy_ | When I could be doing something that'd improve say, maths skills, giving as higher IQ perhaps |
12:22.40 | Wormy_ | But I don't need them just foer a silly test |
12:23.02 | Xho | https://i.imgur.com/YdyTJmC.jpg |
12:24.33 | Monet | Xho: Lol. Maybe he was sexy when he was in his twenties? |
12:24.40 | Xho | Whenever that time was |
12:24.56 | Monet | When Queen Victorial was on the throne lol |
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12:25.05 | AdmiralPanda | hai buniman |
12:25.08 | Hachiman | Hai |
12:25.14 | Monet | Hi |
12:25.31 | Xho | Right I need something to do |
12:25.50 | Ghel | Hello. |
12:25.57 | Xho | There was this idea I had concerning the darker reaches of my fiction but I have a headache right now so I won't do that |
12:26.34 | Monet | ...deaker than we've already seen? |
12:27.14 | Xho | Well it would bring up a few twists |
12:27.56 | Xho | Mainly to do with what the Xhodocto did before creating Inferno |
12:29.40 | Monet | Angazhar - I want somewhere I can beat the everloving shit out of Mortals even when they die. Err...I mean...PUNISHMENT. TORMENT EVERLASTING |
12:30.07 | Xho | Santorakh - u broke character never break character |
12:30.53 | Monet | Angazhar - INCIDENT NEVER HAPPENED |
12:31.20 | Monet | Perhaps before Inferno Angazhar was quite eloquent? :P |
12:31.51 | drom | Monet: I don't think so. The fiction more or less has a point of that or not. |
12:33.35 | Xho | Well this was a time before the Xhodocto presented themselves as characters |
12:33.39 | Monet | drom: Come again? It's jsut that, well, tier 4 to tier 2 is a very huge gap to jump in a couple of years. |
12:34.12 | Monet | So maybe they had to understand a few new schools of science along with the technology? |
12:35.15 | drom | I can either tell that DCP provided required schools of science and/or documents to understand the technology provided to them. |
12:35.44 | Wormy_ | DCP doesn't provide its technological information. |
12:35.46 | drom | Or not. Hence an unseen gap of Low Culture and High Tech. |
12:36.00 | Wormy_ | The Milky Way Cooperative might |
12:36.12 | Wormy_ | The DCP may provide old tech maybe, not sure |
12:36.18 | Xho | That's what they did for the Kicath to give them hyperdrive tech |
12:36.30 | Xho | DCP/Cooperative I dunno the history is vague there |
12:36.50 | Wormy_ | Ah yes. The hyperdrive was already old fashioned to the DCP by then |
12:37.03 | Wormy_ | They zip around with tachyon drives |
12:37.16 | Xho | Kicath - and now we have oracle computers hao u feel |
12:37.40 | Wormy_ | DCP - How u do dis |
12:38.02 | Xho | Kicath - what we did was mashing a table, toaster and machine gun together |
12:38.15 | Xho | Sounds like a Gmod video |
12:38.27 | Xho | Table + Toaster + Machine gun = Computer |
12:38.30 | Monet | Tier 2 is borderline Clarke's Third Law of sicentific prediction, si presumably there are new scientific fields (such as essence study or being closer to a unified field theory) withi nthat gap. |
12:38.41 | drom | Wormy_: I usually misrefer the MWC with DCP. |
12:38.54 | Wormy_ | I see |
12:39.18 | Monet | Also computer science difference |
12:39.51 | Wormy_ | All those three things are made of matter, and all known computers are made of matter. |
12:40.01 | Monet | The gap between a Federation supercomputer and a DCP supercomputer is probably comparable to Colossus vs. current prototype quantum computers. |
12:40.14 | Wormy_ | turning them into one is a matter of knowledge, not material. |
12:40.46 | Monet | Wormy_: This is the issue I'm suggesting. |
12:41.03 | Xho | Or in Gmod sense, just a lack of logic |
12:42.03 | Wormy_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiard-ball_computer |
12:45.28 | drom | I wonder what's the oppisite of Low Culture and High Tech if it's not that literal. |
12:46.01 | Monet | Luddism probably. |
12:46.19 | Wormy_ | Highly cultured, but low tech people |
12:46.42 | Wormy_ | Maybe Victorians from our perspective? |
12:46.47 | Wormy_ | the posh ones |
12:47.20 | Wormy_ | They quite advanced but nothing like our civilisation! |
12:48.42 | Monet | The victorians kick-started the modern world...but also believed that *every* form of bacterial was bad. |
12:49.03 | Wormy_ | I'm not sure whether there were highly cultured society but with low tech |
12:49.25 | Wormy_ | Medievalists didn't get around much. |
12:49.56 | drom | Sounds like that "Victorian"/Luddism and Low-Culture and High Tech are just a ring of two snakes biting each other's tails. |
12:50.32 | drom | Avoiding or fighting for something in the middle of them. |
12:50.50 | Monet | How so? |
12:52.18 | Wormy_ | To be high cultured, one needs to understand other cultures well from experience, be open to new ideas, but also have some criticism |
12:52.30 | Wormy_ | And that means well travelled |
12:52.46 | Wormy_ | And that requires a means of transportation |
12:53.05 | drom | If Victorian/Luddism thinks eg. bacterials are bad, it's probably because they don't have the required school of science to fully understand them. While the other "snake" is the oppisite, but still maintain the same gap as the Luddism do. What I understand and caught from this. |
12:53.26 | Wormy_ | Certainly examples in history but encounters between newe cultures often weren't friendly |
12:53.48 | drom | Say, the core is just Triple-33. |
12:54.53 | Monet | High culture low tech is a bit harder to understand logically unless there's a lot of traditionalism goiong about. |
12:55.01 | drom | Is there a third snake that takes over the gap? |
12:55.26 | Monet | drom: Probably societies thad advance both cutlurally and scientificalyl at a balanced pace |
12:56.28 | drom | Okay. Those three snakes and the core inside the ring, that's humanity in a nutshell. |
12:57.43 | Liquid_Ink | http://pastie.org/private/0ge4fzkeqqhwbmbxueiw Jesus Christ I can write some creepy shit. |
12:59.43 | drom | Liquid_Ink: Impersonate Steven King. |
13:00.08 | drom | Or more accurately, Stephen King. |
13:00.28 | Liquid_Ink | wut |
13:01.01 | Monet | Stephen King wrote some pretty strange and disturbing stuff. |
13:01.07 | drom | Stephen King is a horror fiction author. |
13:01.52 | Liquid_Ink | I know |
13:02.06 | Liquid_Ink | I haven't read his stuff though, so I can't do an impersonation. |
13:04.09 | Liquid_Ink | Anyways what do you think of that thing I've written? |
13:05.40 | Wormy_ | I expressed my opinion on Cyrannus |
13:06.01 | Liquid_Ink | Talking to everyone else |
13:06.29 | drom | Terrifying. |
13:06.49 | drom | And it's not the "smashing" definiation I'm on. |
13:07.59 | Liquid_Ink | I must go now, goodnight. |
13:12.51 | Vincent20100 | Guys| |
13:13.49 | Monet | Hello |
13:13.55 | Vincent20100 | Ha... |
13:14.17 | drom | Sup? |
13:14.23 | Vincent20100 | Good you? |
13:17.28 | Vincent20100 | Playing with the cats... |
13:20.36 | Ghel | Hello. |
13:21.19 | drom | Still ill. And my head feels like it's growing, growing until it mushes itself within my cranium. |
13:22.08 | Xho | Getting the same feeling |
13:22.23 | Vincent20100 | Gotta feeling... |
13:25.44 | Wormy_ | Performs trepanning on drom |
13:26.18 | drom | Nonono. Take Xho instead! |
13:27.26 | Wormy_ | Stops half way and proceeds to the operation on Xho with the same tool immediately. |
13:29.43 | drom | breaks himself free from the chair and flees* |
13:31.03 | Vincent20100 | look at them drunkly, with his vodka bottle in hand. |
13:32.37 | Xho | doesn't know what trepanning is |
13:32.58 | drom | Xho: https://londonparticulars.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/hangover-cure.jpg |
13:33.15 | Xho | ngh |
13:33.19 | Xho | Seems like a good cure for a headache |
13:33.50 | Monet | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NobleSavage actually wait here's an alternative term for "high culture low tech" |
13:34.06 | drom | Wormy - "Trust me, Xho. I'm a cerfitied doctor." |
13:35.58 | Monet | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140903133327/spore/images/7/7f/Uriel_Formal_3.png this is probably one of my most ambitious outfits so far |
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13:36.44 | drom | Monet: Nice. |
13:37.09 | drom | And oh. I noticed that you got back your nickname. You should register it. |
13:37.49 | Monet | Hey yeah |
13:38.06 | Monet | ~register |
13:38.06 | infobot | [register] http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
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13:42.39 | drom | <*slurrish attempt to say "Hi" in russian*> |
13:43.39 | Imperios | ÐÑивеÑ\ |
13:44.12 | Hachiman | Niet |
13:45.13 | drom | To bad that Mac doesn't support Crycillic input. |
13:46.14 | Monet | There, it's done. |
13:48.49 | drom | You maybe need to restart your IRC session? |
13:49.22 | Imperios | Monet: Seen your new Draconis |
13:49.32 | Imperios | I like them but Uriel seems a bit... small |
13:49.46 | Imperios | Proportion-wise |
13:49.52 | Monet | Is it the head? |
13:50.33 | Imperios | Maybe, dunno |
13:50.40 | Imperios | But he seems smaller in general |
13:50.40 | Xho | Well, I'm downloading Sims 4 now |
13:50.47 | Xho | Will be available on the 5th |
13:51.12 | drom | gud4u |
13:51.50 | Xho | Quite a large download as well |
13:51.57 | Monet | The newer model draconis are slightly slimmer than the old |
13:52.06 | Monet | Xho: How many GB? |
13:52.09 | drom | Xho: You gotta move that gear up. |
13:52.37 | Xho | 8.55 |
13:54.04 | drom | There's an upload of (probably) him, and a swedish text behind him, as a desktop image. |
13:55.44 | Xho | Well I'm 25% through it now |
13:55.55 | Xho | Better be worth my £60 |
13:56.09 | Monet | Sixty!? |
13:56.20 | Monet | Games are jsut getting more and more expansive these days |
13:56.45 | Monet | That or its jsut EA because the open bata for Civilisation: Beyond Earth is currently £35 |
13:57.43 | Wormy_ | My internet has been slow lately. Looking at my network, my computer right now is receiving 474,465,719 bytes and I don't know where its coming from. Not downloading anything, or streaming. |
13:57.57 | Wormy_ | My firewall is on |
13:58.22 | Wormy_ | I'm worried about being compromised |
13:58.48 | drom | Monet: EA doesn't own Beyond Earth. And they are notorious for high prices, DLC milking and aswell a history of balanism. |
13:58.59 | Monet | Exactly |
13:59.17 | Monet | £60 sounds like EA beign moneygrabbing cunts...again |
14:00.55 | Xho | It looks like Sims 4 hasn't got very good ratings |
14:00.58 | Wormy_away | test |
14:01.01 | Xho | Might have just wasted £60 |
14:01.05 | drom | Xho is going to be infected by the EAtis. |
14:01.30 | Jepardi | It won't have the open world from Sims 3 |
14:02.03 | drom | Simcity was a direct downgrade from Simcity 4, gameplay-vise. |
14:02.47 | Xho | I dunno, I might like it |
14:03.04 | Xho | Sims 3 was a little clunky and boring in comparison to the first game |
14:03.24 | Xho | Sims 2 I got too angry with because my Sims kept dying in impossible circumstances |
14:03.38 | Monet | Wot |
14:04.24 | Monet | I will forever remember that time I had a celebrity houseguest who burned herself to death trying to cook dinner for herself. |
14:04.31 | Monet | In the original |
14:04.35 | Xho | heh |
14:04.42 | Xho | Sims 1 is the best one by far |
14:05.37 | Monet | [15:01] <Jepardi> It won't have the open world from Sims 3 >> wait what, are you kidding? |
14:05.58 | Monet | The open world was one of the best things about 3 |
14:06.48 | Jepardi | Nope, watched Robbaz's video and it showed that there were loading screens when travelling to any location |
14:06.55 | Xho | I think people are complaining that Sims 4 doesn't have as many customisation options as it does 3 |
14:07.00 | Monet | FUUUUKYOUEA!! |
14:07.23 | Monet | It meant that time didn't freeze at home whenever I left the house to go shopping or manage my sims' local shop nor did I have to encounter any loading screens. |
14:09.10 | Monet | It meant that my shopowner sims din't have a screwed-up daily routine because they would come home from a full day of running a shop tired, smelly and wanting a sit down when no time had passed at all within the house. |
14:09.59 | Xho | I dunno about Create-A-Style though, I probably only ever used it twice |
14:10.54 | Monet | You mean the tool to match up the patterns of all the furniture or the more in-depth part of it where you created your own textures? |
14:11.05 | Xho | Yeah |
14:11.27 | Xho | From the looks of it |
14:11.30 | Monet | I had an architect sim so I was colour-translating all the time. |
14:11.34 | Xho | People are complaining about too much in this game |
14:11.41 | Xho | I wasn't a massive fan of the open world anyway |
14:12.11 | Xho | It was cool but I didn't go out and look at the world all the time since my Sims kept me occupied more or less |
14:14.02 | Xho | Robbaz says Sims 4 feels more like 1 or 2 |
14:14.09 | Xho | I did prefer 1 to all the others |
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14:16.41 | Xho | I'll probably give a review of it later |
14:18.19 | AdmiralPanda | Tbh though, my favourite part of the Sims 3 was being that one outrageously flamboyant gay guy that throws awesome parties |
14:18.50 | Xho | I don't remember that |
14:18.53 | Monet | I kinda lost interest in getting Sims 4. |
14:19.16 | Monet | EA seems to be strimming down all their IPs lately. |
14:19.48 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: That's just how I acted, I was bored and it was fun so I went with it |
14:20.16 | Xho | Well if it is a dumbed down version of the Sims 3 and it is closer to the Sims 1 in feel I'll probably like it very much |
14:20.30 | Xho | Sims 3 was overwhelmingly big for my liking |
14:20.54 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10620698_1514998802050523_8302433361019156244_n.png?oh=32f0f60a9ca10bd57eeb59a2b3dddda2&oe=54784D06 |
14:20.56 | Xho | Good game, just didn't enjoy it as much as I did Sims 1 or 2 (disregarding how many times my Sims died) |
14:21.30 | Xho | Hachiman: "Shut up, get a life and go outside ponyfags" |
14:21.32 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: That sounds so much like a Rainbow Brigade poster it's not funny |
14:24.17 | Monet | Gaahh, so many Draconis character models to remake and so many to create |
14:24.29 | AdmiralPanda | lol |
14:25.28 | Xho | Back when games weren't even 1 GB |
14:25.35 | Xho | SimCity 4 was 1016 MB |
14:28.33 | Xho | http://genensims.com/guest/MadameMim/pic/neighbourhoods/S1/S1_2SimLane.jpg You know you made it in life when your Sim could afford this house |
14:29.09 | Monet | Yeah, although i'd modernise it |
14:29.48 | Monet | Actually I cheat a little as I make one model per rank in the ITN then tweak body colour and prevalence of hair |
14:30.57 | Monet | Though thanks to DI I can tweak body bulk and recolour the uniform in one editor session |
14:33.46 | AdmiralPanda | I realised something about the ISF a couple of days ago; since they fully immerse themselves in the operating systems of their ships, the ships themselves wouldn't have a name- instead they'd just be called by the name of the person commanding them |
14:34.19 | AdmiralPanda | to the ISF, there would be no distinction between ship and self, they'd be one and the same |
14:35.13 | Monet | ISF captain - I am spehss sheep! |
14:35.39 | AdmiralPanda | slaps Monet for using the Thule voice |
14:40.10 | Monet | Maybe I was using the Heavy voice? |
14:40.44 | AdmiralPanda | reverts time slightly and undoes the slap |
14:42.56 | Monet | Wierd how "slap" backward is "pals" |
14:52.16 | Hachiman | http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/04/06/5000-year-old-transgender-skeleton-discovered/ Non-heteros are trying harder and harder nowadays |
14:53.31 | AdmiralPanda | you know you can just call them gay, every one I've met doesn't take it as an insult |
14:54.00 | Hachiman | Oh I know that but it's not just "gays" |
14:54.13 | Hachiman | It's the bis and the trans and the pans and everything else |
14:54.57 | AdmiralPanda | pansexuality is fun, just look at Jack Harkness |
14:55.06 | AdmiralPanda | slightly off topic but still |
14:55.13 | Hachiman | S |
14:55.16 | Hachiman | Woops |
14:55.40 | Imperios | Hachiman: Maybe it's just a hermaphrodite or something |
14:56.07 | AdmiralPanda | actually, wouldn't Commander Shepard be a pansexual? |
14:56.10 | Hachiman | I don't really give a shit for sexual identity, you can be whatever you like, so long as it's not being rammed into my face and the claims for it become more and more ridiculous |
14:56.26 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
14:56.35 | Imperios | I concur |
14:56.46 | Imperios | I don't like epatage |
14:57.09 | Imperios | Or, wait, there is no such word in English |
14:57.22 | Imperios | Let me rephrase that; I don't like people acting like attention whores for whatever reason |
14:57.29 | Wormy | I concur |
14:57.31 | AdmiralPanda | we have that, they're called divas |
14:57.39 | Imperios | We have that too |
14:57.58 | AdmiralPanda | I'm just saying, you can use diva to describe that kind of person |
14:58.07 | Imperios | Hm... |
14:58.36 | Imperios | Not exactly the word I needed. Is there a word for... the process of being a diva? |
14:59.27 | Wormy | Imperios: You are not you when you are hungry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRBGBHsjU8 |
14:59.35 | AdmiralPanda | attention whoring |
14:59.40 | Imperios | rite |
15:00.03 | Monet | Or simply "being a diva" |
15:00.10 | Monet | But that's a phrase. |
15:00.12 | Hachiman | It's like the people who constantly talk about "non-hetero oppression" - claims such as "gay teen is injured in homophobic hammer attack" when it could easily just be labelled "teen injured in hammer attack" |
15:00.17 | Wormy | JJust give em Snickers |
15:00.52 | AdmiralPanda | Unless it actually was a deliberate homophobic attack, in which case they should report it as such |
15:00.59 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah, labelling stuff for no reason is annoying |
15:01.00 | Wormy | If he was attacked for homophobic reasons, then its a fact. But i see what you mean |
15:01.02 | Imperios | Wormy the Feeder of Gays |
15:01.14 | Wormy | um |
15:01.16 | Wormy | okay |
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15:01.39 | Hachiman_ | Fucking internet |
15:01.57 | Hachiman_ | What I was saying is that we don't say stuff like "heterosexual injured in tragic car accident" |
15:02.03 | Imperios | ya |
15:02.31 | Imperios | I don't like when people think of their sexuality as their defining trait, it's odd |
15:02.44 | Hachiman_ | Aye |
15:02.51 | Hachiman_ | Like the majority of people on Tumblr# |
15:03.05 | Imperios | Hm since this place is full of Brits I gonna ask |
15:03.08 | AdmiralPanda | yeah we got what you meant, we were just saying that if they actually were attacked because of their sexuality, then that should be reported |
15:03.16 | drom | What did I miss? |
15:03.27 | Imperios | drom: Gay social justice bashing |
15:03.32 | Monet | The only time i'm interested in the significance of someone's sexuality is a man's jsutification for being addicted to breasts. |
15:03.43 | Imperios | huh |
15:03.48 | Imperios | So, anyway |
15:03.54 | Imperios | When did Ireland become independent? |
15:04.11 | Monet | Quite a while ago |
15:04.51 | Monet | 1921 I think it was |
15:04.53 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: Inertia is the "things in motion stay in motion" thing right? |
15:04.53 | Wormy | The average brony in his true form http://x2.fjcdn.com/comments/Yo+ponny+fan+boys+we+gonna+++or+what+_062d00bee865e13dc25df5d51d0d499d.jpg |
15:05.30 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: No, that's one end of the extreme |
15:05.30 | Imperios | Wormy: The brony community is quite stagnant nowadays I believe |
15:05.43 | Imperios | As in, it's not expanding rapidly anymore |
15:06.00 | AdmiralPanda | you have the rainbow brigade on one side, the fat ponyfags on the other end, and people that just like the show in the middle |
15:06.01 | Wormy | Panda: Yes |
15:06.05 | Imperios | Speaking of ponies |
15:06.11 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Eyegirl We have a brony fangirl |
15:07.05 | Wormy | "The vis insita, or innate force of matter, is a power of resisting by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavours to preserve its present state, whether it be of rest or of moving uniformly forward in a straight line." |
15:07.21 | Wormy | --Isaac Newton |
15:07.35 | Monet | Newton's first law. |
15:07.41 | Hachiman | Ponyfags are just the same as furfags |
15:08.08 | AdmiralPanda | by definition they kinda are furfags, so yeah |
15:08.09 | Hachiman | They take interest in anthroporphic animals all the same |
15:08.11 | Wormy | Nobody is quite sure what Inertia is caused by http://www.padrak.com/ine/INERTIA.html |
15:08.18 | Monet | I just watched Yatzee's review of Grund Zeros and he revealed that one of the children you rescue has two bombs in her body implanted by a General Skullface...What the fuck Kojima! D: |
15:08.36 | Imperios | Hachiman: ...Wait, wait, wait |
15:08.42 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: I've seen worse |
15:08.44 | Imperios | Aren't you |
15:08.47 | AdmiralPanda | DONE worse now that I think of it |
15:08.48 | Hachiman | No, I'm not |
15:08.53 | Hachiman | Not anymore |
15:08.59 | AdmiralPanda | feels nostalgia as a standard action |
15:09.17 | Xho | I was about to say |
15:09.22 | Xho | Pot calling the kettle black there |
15:09.30 | Monet | I know Japanese media has a tendancy to be wierd but...this is probably on the extreme end. |
15:09.42 | Imperios | As in you don't like that stuff anymore or you are no longer part of the community |
15:09.51 | Hachiman | Either |
15:10.12 | Hachiman | Besides most furfags just draw furry shit because they can't draw humans right |
15:10.24 | Monet | Not helpes my mrs mute bikini-wearing sniper lady. |
15:10.28 | Hachiman | Humans are admittedly a bitch to draw but still |
15:10.58 | AdmiralPanda | heh, I was playing an anti-paladin, and decided the best way to besiege a castle was to release a bunch of prisoners I'd inscribed with plague runes, which then detonated the moment the prisoners were inside the walls |
15:11.02 | Imperios | Frankly I haven't been part of furry fandom for years but that's still a bit rude |
15:11.06 | AdmiralPanda | instant removal of garrison |
15:11.20 | Wormy | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2013/12/Bronies-On-the-Internet.jpg |
15:11.21 | Xho | Oh god can it about fandoms |
15:11.25 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: *blackguard |
15:11.27 | Hachiman | :p |
15:11.34 | Wormy | I liked them coppers being labelled trolls hur |
15:11.36 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: Antipaladin. I play Pathfinder not 4e |
15:11.50 | AdmiralPanda | Paladin of Tyranny specifically |
15:12.10 | Hachiman | Wormy: That's an edited pic of a scene from Hot Fuzz hur |
15:12.22 | Hachiman | http://i.imgur.com/4nHUgtK.jpg I personally prefer this |
15:12.33 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
15:12.38 | AdmiralPanda | That one actually made me laugh a bit |
15:12.41 | Monet | AdmiralPanda: exploding plague prisoners is one thing. Surgically installing two exposives into a little girl's bodycomplete with a scene showing Snake removing one of the bombs is another thing entirely for me. |
15:12.42 | AdmiralPanda | which is weird for face swaps |
15:12.52 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: Yeah the scene was a bit much |
15:12.53 | Xho | And the fact it's Simon Pegg and Nick Frost |
15:13.04 | AdmiralPanda | the explosives were pretty run of the mill |
15:13.41 | Monet | Yahtzee used dynamite to portray the exlosives but i'm guessing they were actually plastic explosive |
15:14.13 | Hachiman | Try inserting dynamite into a human body |
15:14.46 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: Pretty easy to do, getting it to then explode is a bit harder |
15:14.56 | Hachiman | Aye |
15:15.33 | Monet | I'm strongly guessing the eplxosives were surgically implanted rather than say rammed up the butt. |
15:15.50 | AdmiralPanda | pretty sure yeah |
15:16.54 | Xho | Hm need something to do |
15:17.08 | Xho | I'm more inclined towards Fantasy at the moment (as per usual) |
15:17.18 | Hachiman | Orayu chars pls |
15:17.30 | AdmiralPanda | Xho: design a martial art |
15:17.33 | Wormy | How dod I not see that? Yes I love Hot Fuzz |
15:18.28 | Monet | WOrmy: I think its because their faces are obscured |
15:18.40 | Wormy | lol |
15:18.44 | Xho | I've already pointed out a few Kicathian martial arts though I've never gone into them in detail |
15:18.49 | Xho | Yeah might as well make that Orayu character |
15:19.03 | Wormy | That and the pony was stealing all the attention like they always do, even from famous actors. |
15:19.16 | Xho | Esulus which is his name |
15:20.51 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Spriggs077/Ideas#Hot_Ship_on_Octopus_Action < name for humour, it's not dirty at all |
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15:21.06 | Xho | ups |
15:21.18 | Hachiman | hai |
15:21.23 | OluapWorker | hi |
15:21.33 | AdmiralPanda | I sort of ran out of impetus as I got towards the end, I will probably expand it a bit later |
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15:22.47 | MasterMachine | Hello |
15:24.12 | Xho | OluapWorker: I'm making that Orayu character fyi |
15:24.23 | OluapWorker | okay |
15:36.16 | Wormy | What Mario should do really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKBNb0_-7-0&index=29 |
15:41.01 | Xho | Wormy: stahp dis |
15:43.17 | Xho | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140903154221/spore/images/5/5f/Esulus.png There we go |
15:43.31 | Wormy | How are them Frosty Chcolate Milkshakes doing? |
15:47.01 | Xho | We should really have a page for all of the epithets on the Fantasyverse |
15:49.23 | Imperios | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Arya.png Javina's pet cat |
15:49.56 | Xho | Pelagrios - fuk me dat ain't no cat |
15:50.00 | Hachiman | Xho: Oh sweet |
15:50.25 | Hachiman | Imperios: I get reminded of He-Man |
15:50.31 | Hachiman | Esulus looks pretty cool |
15:51.00 | MasterMachine | Imperios: When even your cat has armor... |
15:51.01 | MasterMachine | :P |
15:51.01 | Monet | Bit of a creepy cat with those legs. |
15:51.02 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10660334_1515020198715050_1124270277816926284_n.png?oh=2af377f4a551147b590aa92560a7a6b1&oe=547ACF24 |
15:51.33 | MasterMachine | lol |
15:54.18 | Imperios | Hm |
15:54.21 | Imperios | What's wrong with them? |
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16:00.13 | drom | Oh my head is so heavy that it would break my table in two by simply touching with my forehead. |
16:00.16 | Hachiman | So I just realized how much Sailor Moon stole from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure |
16:00.34 | Hachiman | Then again, JoJo has influenced a lot of things considering how old it is |
16:02.23 | Monet | Imperios: For a cat they're really long |
16:08.15 | Xho | Hachiman: What kind of entities are the Gnolls like |
16:08.19 | Xho | I mean passive or aggressive |
16:10.40 | Hachiman | Well they're hunters and scavengers but they're not the sort to openly seek to cause harm to things that don't otherwise bother them |
16:10.52 | Xho | Right |
16:11.03 | Hachiman | They won't go and murder civilians for instant |
16:11.09 | MasterMachine | So Opprotunistic? |
16:11.14 | Hachiman | Kinda yeah |
16:12.51 | Hachiman | They'll steal and pickpocket, kill and eat your livestock and pets, invade your homes and burglar your possessions, but they won't kill and murder civilians and are more likely to run from soldiers than fight them |
16:13.06 | Xho | Right |
16:13.16 | Xho | I'm just describing Esulus' travels going east |
16:13.21 | Hachiman | rite |
16:13.25 | Xho | Likely to have had a run-in with them |
16:13.47 | Hachiman | Well yeah Gnolls are supposed to be scattered everywhere |
16:14.49 | drom | ImpyDroid: I going to create an autocratic "union" of different races forced to live in an union by a power-hungry race. I'm planning to put it in Umbra, Andromeda. |
16:15.11 | ImpyDroid | Is of okay |
16:16.32 | drom | It's to be a beating doll for the NC whenever the union annoying and tries to annex them. |
16:17.47 | Monet | So there's a multi-race union led by one race that likes to try and annext the NC only to get beaten back into submission? |
16:18.16 | Monet | I get the impression that they give up after the NC gets al lthis new tech. |
16:19.34 | drom | The union consists of many races, but only one race controls them and enforces slavery. |
16:20.13 | drom | Or with a milder term, forced labor. |
16:21.17 | drom | The union is gonna be, uh, 600-1200 big in colonies but houses a population larger than NC. Because autocracy and aline racism. |
16:22.09 | drom | The union wants NC to "join" them. But they say no repeated times. So they get fed by them and tries to annex them few times. To be gather a backlash in return. |
16:22.42 | Hachiman | I always found it confusing and a bit unrealistic that a *single* race can oppress/enslave all of these other ones without problem and sustain that lifestyle for however many millennia |
16:24.14 | drom | There's always a way around that. The controling race is a majority. Robots contributes to the enforcement. |
16:24.29 | Monet | Rome sort-of managed it. |
16:24.50 | Hachiman | Rome also fell apart :p |
16:24.56 | Hachiman | By its own admission |
16:25.12 | drom | And barbarians. |
16:25.14 | Monet | It still lasted about 600 years give or take. |
16:26.09 | Hachiman | Also I must question the value of "slaves" if a race has enough tech to support itself without their manual labour |
16:26.22 | Xho | Fashion statement |
16:26.30 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Esulus There we go page done |
16:26.36 | MasterMachine | Monet, didn't Rome last like 2000 years? Or are you talking about the republic? |
16:26.47 | Xho | Empire I think |
16:27.07 | Monet | Specifically the Western one since the Eastern one lasted a good 1000 years after it |
16:27.14 | Xho | Which was more like 500 years than 600 but close still hur |
16:27.24 | MasterMachine | ... |
16:27.28 | MasterMachine | Wut |
16:27.29 | AdmiralPanda | That and Rome didn't practice slavery for the entirety of its existence |
16:27.38 | drom | Good argurments pals, keep em going so I can make a rainbow-shaded ficiton out this. |
16:27.58 | Xho | MasterMachine: Byzantine Empire |
16:28.41 | MasterMachine | Yeah I just consider that a continuation of Rome |
16:29.06 | MasterMachine | I don't get why people think their different, Byzantines armies stilled marched "for the glory and senate of Rome" up until its collapse |
16:29.08 | Xho | I don't find the Byzantine Empire as interesting as Rome |
16:29.12 | MasterMachine | Meh |
16:29.23 | Xho | Too 'modern' hur |
16:29.27 | MasterMachine | lol |
16:29.47 | Xho | As I've said before, anything after 470 AD gets a little hazy in my knowledge |
16:29.48 | Monet | Also the Byzantine EThe Byzantine Empire dodn't really do that much other than try and continue the legacy of ROme |
16:30.07 | Monet | And it was hopelesly corrupt especially in the later stages of its life |
16:30.13 | MasterMachine | They did act as a buffer against the Muslim-Controlled Middle East |
16:30.32 | Monet | Yeah until the Ottoman Turks plowed though them |
16:30.36 | MasterMachine | Technically |
16:30.52 | MasterMachine | They were destroyed first by a Crusade, which left them crippled when the Ottomans showed up |
16:30.57 | MasterMachine | Stupid Venice |
16:31.06 | MasterMachine | Killing Constanople lol |
16:31.12 | MasterMachine | which I spelled wrong oops xD |
16:31.38 | Monet | I'm not sure who was the aggressor i nthe Venice-Byzantium feud. |
16:31.49 | Monet | All I know is both nations hated each other to risk war a lot |
16:31.55 | MasterMachine | It doesn't matter - Venice won by way of using others to fight lol |
16:32.02 | MasterMachine | Venice: Tehehe |
16:32.07 | Monet | Well it was Italian. |
16:32.13 | Monet | That's how they fought |
16:32.15 | MasterMachine | Byzantine: -urgaglalal- *dies* |
16:32.20 | MasterMachine | lol |
16:32.21 | drom | I might change the concept that it's still a bad and evil empire to live in. |
16:32.46 | Hachiman | Xho: Quoted |
16:33.02 | MasterMachine | Why? A technologically advanced dictatorship could probably hold slave-level power over another people |
16:33.11 | MasterMachine | Especially if they keep the other people primitive |
16:33.12 | drom | Such as forced labor, medium-class corruption and political assinations in favor of keeping the unfair class-divison and autocracy. |
16:33.58 | Xho | Hachiman: "The two of them are little shits, really" Esulus - who u callin small rabbit |
16:34.14 | Hachiman | Kanna - git on mah lvl fishstick |
16:34.31 | Xho | Esulus - i eat fishsticks for breakfast wait |
16:35.22 | drom | "Umbra Autocratic Union" or Umbra Union? |
16:35.40 | MasterMachine | Umbra Autocratic Union sounds better IMO |
16:36.19 | drom | Let's make it a more creamy /pol/ joke by calling it "Umbra Democratic Union" |
16:36.38 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: I don't know who the aggressor was, but Byzantium held a LOT of wealth that Enrico Dandolo wanted |
16:36.46 | drom | When it's actually nothing more but a class-divided autocracy. |
16:36.48 | MasterMachine | lol drom |
16:36.52 | MasterMachine | That's evil |
16:36.53 | Hachiman | Go back to /pol/ and never come back pls |
16:36.55 | MasterMachine | Do it :P |
16:38.35 | drom | Hachiman: Ah! I zee a new target to pull my 3 gigaquadrilion debt shenangians on! *greasy laughter* |
16:38.40 | drom | rubs hands* |
16:38.50 | MasterMachine | xD |
16:41.52 | drom | But in all seriousness. If you want a nation with promising name when it's actually nothing but a class-racist evil nation. So it's "Democratic" or should go for "Autocratic"? |
16:42.10 | MasterMachine | Autocratic is more accurate |
16:42.21 | MasterMachine | Does the nation have a 'democratic' government? |
16:42.46 | MasterMachine | (like, elections - rigged or otherwise) |
16:42.54 | drom | The name implies and they try to hide the grim background. |
16:43.03 | MasterMachine | Hmmm |
16:43.10 | MasterMachine | Go with Democratic |
16:43.37 | MasterMachine | It'll give them an advanage when others think they're a slow democracy |
16:44.20 | drom | Gotta love to juggle it with an actual democratic nation. (Naakjian Confederation in this case) |
16:46.05 | Ghel | Hello. |
16:47.34 | MasterMachine | Hey |
16:47.42 | drom | MasterMachine: Here is how it looks like now. I just copied over the infobox used by the NC. Because I'm too lazy to get it a new one. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Umbra_Democratic_Union |
16:48.01 | drom | And I'm going to have a house-meeting. Gotta prepare myself or I'll miss what's important. |
16:48.31 | MasterMachine | I like it already lol |
16:48.37 | MasterMachine | And cya Drom |
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17:01.11 | drom | Get the /pol/ish warriors on the go! |
17:01.41 | Ghel | Hello. |
17:01.52 | MasterMachine | Hi OP |
17:03.08 | Hachiman | Hai Oluap |
17:12.46 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Spriggs077/Ideas#Hot_Ship_on_Octopus_Action Did this on a whim, had the idea and wrote it up in about 15 mins or so |
17:14.10 | MasterMachine | Cyall later :D |
17:24.32 | Hachiman | OluapWorker: I noticed you removed some stuff from Torrent's page |
17:24.43 | Hachiman | His past mainly |
17:25.07 | OluapWorker | it wsa poorly written |
17:35.39 | Wormy | It is Autumn now where I live. I have decided. |
17:36.42 | Wormy | The smell of woodsmoke, leaves turning colour. It must be so. |
17:36.51 | Wormy | and greyness has returned |
17:37.02 | Xho | Back |
17:37.18 | Xho | OluapWorker: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Esulus |
17:37.23 | OluapWorker | seen |
17:38.54 | Wormy | Imperios: There is a Hot Air Balloon landing with Russian colours! D: |
17:39.02 | Wormy | ImpyDroid |
17:39.28 | Xho | I wonder what the Empire of Man would call Esulus |
17:39.32 | Xho | Super-Aliquam |
17:40.16 | Hachiman | More like just Aliquam |
17:40.24 | Hachiman | It's slang for all non-humans after all |
17:43.54 | Xho | Also I feel that Sun Magic should be changed from Solimancy to Heliomancy |
17:46.16 | AdmiralPanda | I would approve of this |
17:48.23 | Xho | Hm, trying to think of a formal name for Void Magic |
17:50.35 | Xho | Can't think of one |
17:51.46 | Xho | Tartaromancy is an idea if the idea that the Void is Koldenwelt's equivalent of the deepest of hells |
17:53.02 | Xho | Avyssomancy if the idea that the Void is the abyss |
17:53.22 | Xho | I'm not getting much feedback here |
17:54.24 | Xho | Or Hadalomancy |
17:56.15 | Hachiman | Hm |
17:56.31 | Hachiman | I like Avyssomancy |
17:56.36 | Xho | I've given Celestial's formal name as Ouranomancy |
17:57.11 | Xho | Ouranos meaning 'sky' |
17:57.35 | Hachiman | Which language? |
17:57.38 | Xho | Greek |
17:57.42 | Xho | Ouranos -> Uranus |
17:58.16 | Xho | Now we just need one for Primal |
18:01.15 | Xho | Xenomancy is one idea |
18:01.52 | Hachiman | Ooh I like that |
18:02.36 | Xho | well add it den |
18:04.22 | Hachiman | no u |
18:06.04 | drom | Where did MasterMachine go? |
18:07.15 | Xho | fien u lazi bastard |
18:09.33 | Xho | You know, I haven't done an rp for a story for so long that my memory span has run out |
18:13.17 | ImpyDroid | Hm |
18:13.29 | ImpyDroid | Ever imagined a MMO based on SporeWiki? |
18:13.47 | Xho | MMO |
18:13.51 | Xho | remind me what that is |
18:13.51 | Monet | We already have done |
18:13.59 | Monet | Xho: World of Warcraft. |
18:14.06 | Xho | Oh right |
18:14.15 | ImpyDroid | Or STO |
18:14.16 | Xho | I get admin status as Santorakh with turning players to cheese powers |
18:14.21 | ImpyDroid | Hur |
18:14.54 | ImpyDroid | Funnily enough having Santorakh as a boss would fit, MMOs are often quite wacky |
18:14.58 | Monet | I wonder what the zone progression will be though. |
18:15.32 | ImpyDroid | I mean GW2 has a disco midget goblin boss |
18:15.54 | ImpyDroid | And WoW has Big Bad Wolf |
18:15.55 | Xho | Insomnia map |
18:16.08 | Monet | I nominate either the DI or the Cyrannian Empire to be the new character starting zones |
18:16.47 | Xho | They seem to be the most stable areas hur |
18:17.02 | ImpyDroid | DI starting quest |
18:17.12 | ImpyDroid | *quests |
18:17.46 | Xho | Or perhaps you just start wherever your race/class/whatever takes you |
18:18.10 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Perhaps all newly-generated DI characters start off as new arrivals to Araveene? |
18:18.12 | Xho | I'd guess if you were an evil whatever with what powers you'd start in places like the dominion |
18:18.14 | ImpyDroid | Ya |
18:18.17 | Monet | Not araveene |
18:18.20 | Monet | Alvadia IV |
18:18.35 | ImpyDroid | Radeons can start on Praestol |
18:18.37 | Monet | That would be like throwing level 1s at Nar Shaddaa. |
18:18.47 | ImpyDroid | ...true |
18:19.08 | ImpyDroid | Fantasyverse MMO would be interesting as well |
18:19.14 | Monet | ImpyDroid: I mean for DI characters starting on Araveene but I guess the analogy works for Praestol |
18:19.48 | Monet | I guess Cyrannian Empire characters coudl start off as new arrivals on Capricus |
18:20.08 | Xho | Or Mou'Cyran |
18:20.22 | ImpyDroid | Actually we could have AGC and Cyrannian Empire characters as main two factions |
18:20.28 | ImpyDroid | Also |
18:20.38 | ImpyDroid | All human characters should have French accents |
18:20.42 | ImpyDroid | Because Angrybirds |
18:20.43 | Monet | Lol |
18:20.53 | Xho | Well any galactic governing force should be a starting faction really |
18:20.59 | Xho | AGC, Empire, Cooperative, PCA |
18:21.18 | Xho | I dunno |
18:21.22 | Xho | It would be an extremely convoluted game |
18:21.22 | Monet | I'm seeing quite a bit of AGC paring with the Empire lately. |
18:21.35 | ImpyDroid | PCA + Cooperative vs AGC + Empire? |
18:21.36 | Monet | pairing* |
18:21.52 | Xho | i.e. It wouldn't be released until computers have 1 PB hard drives and 256 GB RAM |
18:22.03 | ImpyDroid | Kinda like WoW you know where you have one Horde but two sub-factions within it |
18:22.19 | Xho | How much I'd give to have a desktop with 256 GB RAM |
18:22.51 | ImpyDroid | The dirty ugly people (orcs, trolls, tauren) and classy evil people (undead, elves) |
18:22.54 | Monet | Xho: We could do what The Old Republic does and maps are representative of their respective planets. |
18:23.43 | Monet | For instance since most of the stuff that happens on Alcanti happens around Minos'Drakon, we could have a condensed map of MD as the primary exporation zone for Alcanti |
18:24.25 | Monet | I wonder what player housing could be like |
18:24.48 | ImpyDroid | Spaceships hur |
18:25.05 | Monet | Who wouldn't want to own their own mansion on Alcanti though? |
18:25.49 | ImpyDroid | Radeon and DCP characters hur |
18:26.07 | ImpyDroid | They get identical Soviet-style living blocks |
18:27.35 | Xho | Just as long as I was a Xhodocto character hur |
18:27.38 | Monet | Wormy is a better judged but idunno I get the impression that a DCP citizen would trade their housing block for a posher estate if given the oppertunity. I don't know if the desire for posessions and elegance is bred out of DCP citizens like it is among Radeons |
18:28.40 | Monet | High-level Dominion characters are given the option to buy houses in Inferno. And no one buys them except masochist types heh |
18:29.26 | Monet | Actually given how tied it is to lore perhaps max-level characters can take a long quest chain to become Ascended/Descended? |
18:29.42 | Xho | Level 150 Ass-Kicker |
18:29.57 | ImpyDroid | I wonder if we'll have one human race to choose or if different human factions would be considered separate like in TES |
18:30.01 | Monet | We could potentially limit it by making the path extremely difficult but not impossible |
18:30.22 | ImpyDroid | Then by the end everyone will be Ascended hur |
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18:30.28 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
18:30.33 | Wormy | DCP cities morph constantly, they are fluid with buildings, infrastructure and vehicles changing shape and moving about. A DCP citizen might not know where he will wake up tomorrow. But he will be given work none-the-less. I think the idea of living in posh housing to most DCP citizens would be foreign. Only homeworlds retain more traditional housing options. |
18:30.38 | Ghel | Hello. |
18:30.41 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Nah only the hardcore players. |
18:30.53 | Xho | Wormy: So basically their home is a pre-ordained work installation |
18:31.07 | Xho | Now that just burns the lazy Xho |
18:31.09 | Wormy | Grimbie would like, yeah, nice house. But where can I work? |
18:31.18 | Wormy | indeed |
18:31.37 | Monet | We can tailor the path so that either casuals would be likely ot give up or you'd need some very powerful gear to manage it |
18:31.43 | ImpyDroid | Monet: This give a whole new meaning to the idea of sacrificing your life for ascension |
18:31.45 | Xho | "Santorakh: Level 151 Cheesemaker" |
18:32.07 | Xho | Be funny if his player title was "Blessed Am I" |
18:33.08 | ImpyDroid | Also we need a Scarlet Briar-like character for wrecking shit up randomly |
18:33.15 | Wormy | Impy: It kind of is ultra-Soviet, it would be as if they "go to the fields, any, with joy"! |
18:33.31 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: Stakhanovets-style hur |
18:33.48 | ImpyDroid | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement |
18:34.05 | Wormy | looks it up, yeah |
18:35.09 | Monet | ImpDroid: Random Divin-Ra encounters? |
18:35.30 | Monet | Or we have Divin-Ra as one of the key plot leaders. |
18:35.30 | ImpyDroid | hur |
18:36.23 | Monet | Also just had another idea: Two tiers of battleground PVP: Normal and ascended. |
18:36.45 | ImpyDroid | Ascended PvP |
18:36.56 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman - git on my level scrub |
18:38.12 | ImpyDroid | Hm, what about fantasy? |
18:38.19 | Monet | Although I don't know how we could prevent Ascended characters fro msteamrolling over normal characters |
18:38.32 | Xho | Monet: Law of the game dunt fite ascended characters scrub |
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18:39.30 | Xho | Fantasy hm |
18:39.35 | Xho | Fantasy would work better as an MMO since, well |
18:39.54 | Xho | Fantasy MMOs have been around since I've had a broken voice |
18:39.56 | ImpyDroid | Nerf Caligaduro plz |
18:40.02 | Monet | Xho: Welll...I've never seen GMs deal with level 80s having fun in enemy starting zones |
18:40.10 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: What dis |
18:40.15 | Hachiman | Hai Oluap |
18:40.27 | Xho | Monet: Well perhaps you just have level restrictions |
18:40.32 | ImpyDroid | We basically wonder what a MMO based on SporeWiki would be like |
18:40.37 | Xho | Fighting someone 10 levels out of your league would just be unfair |
18:40.45 | Xho | Let alone 80 levels and then the added perks on top |
18:41.07 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Or we cohld have level squish like in GW2 |
18:41.58 | Hachiman | http://youtu.be/PJ3ov-D4ciU?t=3m17s Does anybody know whose anthem this is |
18:42.13 | Xho | Russia |
18:42.15 | Xho | dummkopf |
18:42.23 | Xho | Oh wait that was a joke |
18:42.27 | Xho | Oh well I missed that one |
18:43.04 | Xho | Okay let's not speak of that fail again |
18:43.19 | Xho | Well imagine if Kithworto was a character on the game |
18:43.39 | ImpyDroid | Xho: So, like faction leaders? |
18:43.47 | Monet | Well if we do make an MMO, whatever it is, we chould try and keep away from being WoW because trying to be WoW never works. |
18:43.48 | Xho | Just as a player's character |
18:43.53 | Xho | Level 150 with both ascension and descension perks as well as top-level gear |
18:44.06 | ImpyDroid | Monet: True |
18:44.08 | Xho | You'd basically have to have no life to replicate Kithworto's abilities in a game |
18:44.23 | Monet | Perhaps we should make it so you can only choose one or the other. |
18:44.31 | ImpyDroid | WoW has dragon gods as NPCs |
18:44.41 | drom | Let's turn UDU into Poland when NC and UM (Union of Mecholift) makes a pact. Just like Germany and Russia during the WWII. |
18:44.51 | ImpyDroid | Two as NPCs, two as bosses and one as both |
18:44.52 | drom | Mecholife* |
18:44.57 | Monet | IE if you're ascended you can only switch to descended and vice versa |
18:45.22 | Xho | I wonder what item qualities would be like |
18:45.28 | Xho | Would be funny if it was like Team Fortress 2's |
18:45.30 | ImpyDroid | drom: B-b-but UDU is a spacefaring civilisation |
18:46.20 | Xho | "Unusual Santorakh's Walking Stick: Level 151 Magic Wand "Don't point that at people. You might get someone else's eye out."" |
18:46.22 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Manglius How bounty hunter characters should be made |
18:46.44 | ImpyDroid | Xho: wabbajack hur |
18:46.55 | Xho | Santorakh's Stick pretty much is a Wabbajack |
18:46.59 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: best characters |
18:47.04 | ImpyDroid | *character |
18:47.23 | Monet | I was thinking that item grade could be tier level. |
18:47.36 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaV3T2XwIMM I wish I had modelling powers to reskin Sheogorath as Santorakh |
18:47.45 | Monet | Ie common is tier 4, uncommon is tier 3, rare is tier 2 and artifact is tier 1 |
18:47.47 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10624719_630365353749095_3369498467698995321_n.png?oh=96ae90cdcd792061f324c0e7a291d034&oe=545E2638&__gda__=1415983118_fea96730f82f29717cfcb47c7d095c48 Best picture |
18:47.55 | Hachiman | Can't stop crying |
18:47.56 | Monet | and "crap" is tier 5 |
18:48.25 | drom | ImpyDroid: Yes. I know, but I compared it as Poland. Because it's going to be placed between NC and UM. |
18:49.33 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Hm, imagine the racial perks for different species |
18:49.47 | ImpyDroid | ...how will we balance dat shit |
18:50.11 | Monet | Balancing is one of the hardest tinhs to do when making a gme. |
18:50.14 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Javina's favourite game |
18:50.21 | Monet | Hachiman: ....How the hell do you win that? |
18:50.28 | drom | NC is annoyed and makes a counterattack against UDU, meanwhile UM is attracted by the population. |
18:51.01 | ImpyDroid | Monet: By gassing your opponent naturally |
18:51.21 | Monet | I just realised....that's the *good* kind of Swastika on there |
18:52.15 | Hachiman | Monet: You grow some Ruskie pride, storm Berlin and rape and/or kill its women and children, that's how |
18:52.21 | drom | Monet: What do you mean? |
18:52.59 | Monet | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/1003px-HinduSwastika.svg.png compare |
18:53.20 | drom | Oh yeah, that one. I thought you meant something else. |
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18:53.53 | Xho | Japanese uses both å and å |
18:53.57 | ImpyDroid | Monet: Both kinds of swastikas can be "good" really |
18:54.01 | ImpyDroid | ...was about to say that |
18:54.30 | drom | And btw, before the swastika was used as a symbol for nazism. It was a symbol for the sun, as used by the romes and greece. |
18:54.37 | ImpyDroid | And Jews |
18:54.48 | Hachiman | And Indian cultures |
18:55.04 | ImpyDroid | There are ancient Hebrew temples with swastikas in Israel |
18:55.24 | Xho | And Norse |
18:55.32 | ImpyDroid | And China |
18:55.39 | ImpyDroid | And Korea |
18:55.42 | ImpyDroid | And Japan |
18:55.45 | ImpyDroid | And Germany |
18:55.46 | Hachiman | And the Nazi party |
18:55.48 | ImpyDroid | And Russia |
18:55.49 | Hachiman | Wait |
18:55.49 | Monet | The Nazis hijacked its relevance really. Just like how Christians hijacked the meaning of messiah |
18:57.08 | ImpyDroid | I'd like the swastika to regain its former meaning |
18:57.37 | drom | Without the /r/circlejerk reiving the Nazi meaning. |
18:58.05 | Hachiman | <PROTECTED> |
18:58.41 | TekDroid | Pretty much the only reason it ever could regain it was if WWII was forgotten. |
18:59.47 | drom | Poland, France, Holland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovakia and more - "WWII never forget" |
18:59.57 | ImpyDroid | ÐÐÐЫ ÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ |
19:00.02 | Monet | I'd say give it 50-100 years |
19:00.20 | drom | Nuke the shit out the countries which was annexed by Germany during the WWII, and we'll forget WWII faster. |
19:00.25 | ImpyDroid | drom: We have our own version of it: "OUR GRANDFATHERS FOUGHT IN WWII" |
19:00.42 | Hachiman | Nah WW2 will probably never get forgotten until like say far distant future |
19:01.39 | ImpyDroid | We forgot about Napoleon didn't we |
19:01.59 | drom | ImpyDroid: Until you mentioned him. |
19:03.03 | TekDroid | Whenever any family members that were alive as when their family's war vets were alive, a major tragedy is unlikely to be forgotten. |
19:03.43 | TekDroid | Sorry, that came out confusing. |
19:04.45 | Hachiman | Unless we have another worldwide conflict with a death toll and criminality that outmatches that of WW2 *cough* Russia x Ukraine *cough* it's likely that THAT particular conflict will never, ever be forgotten, especially considering that much of the modern world stands on the foundations built during and after the war |
19:04.48 | TekDroid | Basically as long as a family member who knew a survivor is alive it won't be forgotten. |
19:05.00 | ImpyDroid | Ahem ahem ahem |
19:05.03 | ImpyDroid | Ahem AHEM AHEM |
19:05.32 | ImpyDroid | Russia x Ukraine conflict is no different from, say, USA vs Iraq |
19:05.52 | Hachiman | It's gonna last a while then hur |
19:05.59 | Wormy | Dracula Untold looks good |
19:06.09 | TekDroid | Russia x Ukraine has potential to escalate to Russia x West though. |
19:06.15 | ImpyDroid | It's nothing extraordinary and we have committed no war crimes so far |
19:06.18 | Monet | Tek's right. |
19:06.25 | ImpyDroid | Unlikely |
19:06.35 | ImpyDroid | We are way too dependent on each other |
19:06.39 | Monet | Already Putin's possibly antagonising Europe. |
19:06.44 | ImpyDroid | Yet |
19:07.14 | ImpyDroid | We cannot maintain our society without your economh, and you cannot maintain yours without our resources |
19:07.29 | Hachiman | If I remember correctly the UK depends on Russia for vital resources, and if Russia turns those reserves off then they're good for nothing hur |
19:07.35 | Hachiman | J/K, btw |
19:08.18 | ImpyDroid | So I believe our countries'll just bark on each other a lot |
19:08.31 | ImpyDroid | UNLESS we team up with East Asia |
19:08.41 | Wormy | I think all about the massive shale gas reserves in Ukraine. |
19:08.44 | TekDroid | They've been doing that barking since WWII. |
19:09.00 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: OURS |
19:09.03 | ImpyDroid | j/k |
19:09.09 | Wormy | haveet |
19:09.32 | Wormy | Meanwhile, Europe can have Greenland as the ice melts, and you'll help it! |
19:09.37 | Monet | Wait until algae fuels come along |
19:09.54 | ImpyDroid | In theory we can like redirect our resources to the East and join China |
19:10.07 | Hachiman | But why would anybody ever join China |
19:10.15 | ImpyDroid | But even I doubt we will risk total war |
19:10.15 | Wormy | No shit, as the ice is retreatiung its leaving behind untapped resources and new agriocultural land |
19:10.20 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: join as in team up with |
19:10.38 | Hachiman | Nippon will fite you hur |
19:10.45 | Hachiman | As will South Korea |
19:11.37 | ImpyDroid | fiting is hard if you have no military of your own |
19:11.49 | Hachiman | Japan does have a military you fool |
19:12.00 | Wormy | A pretty big one at that. |
19:12.01 | Hachiman | It's the third highest funded national military organization in the world |
19:12.25 | ImpyDroid | Its actual capacity is quite limited I believe |
19:12.49 | TekDroid | If Ukraine did escalate to full-scale war a full East v West would be inevitable, and that would inevitably go nuclear. No one wants to risk war. |
19:12.52 | Monet | America has the single highest funding of any nation and yet its still beatable. |
19:12.53 | Wormy | Could Japan fight off an attack by China, without allied support? Or would China's massive industry win out |
19:12.56 | Wormy | and numbers |
19:13.15 | Hachiman | Japan also has a massive industry |
19:13.17 | Hachiman | Despite its lack of resources |
19:13.23 | Wormy | Thats the thing |
19:13.31 | Monet | And what happens if war cuts off those imports? |
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19:13.39 | Wormy | China has one of the biggest reserves of Rare Earth elements |
19:14.00 | Wormy | I think resource wise, they can stand on their own |
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19:14.06 | Monet | Japan can defend itself, its why the US resorted to two nukes during WWII instead of a land invasion. Invading everyone else is probably another story |
19:14.08 | TekDroid | America has more military funding that the next twenty something combined and it can still lose. :P |
19:14.24 | Hachiman | It's likely Japan would be able to fend for itself and soon they won't have to rely on stuff like gas and fossil fuels considering they're one of the figureheads of alternative energy |
19:14.29 | Monet | An east vs wast conflict might pit Japan against the US and Royal Navy. |
19:14.55 | Wormy | I don't want Japan to be enemies :( |
19:15.11 | Hachiman | Nobody wants to face the brutality of grorious nippon steer :p |
19:15.13 | Wormy | That, and I'm slightly scared |
19:16.12 | Wormy | Japan will be rolling out war bots and giant mechas |
19:16.14 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Energy, yes, but resources? |
19:16.15 | TekDroid | Would Japan even support Russia/China over the US? |
19:16.35 | Hachiman | I imagine they would |
19:16.41 | Monet | Argentina learned the hard way why the UK is still on the UN Security Council. |
19:16.43 | Wormy | Not unless some radical change affected them |
19:16.43 | Hachiman | As in, support the US |
19:16.59 | ImpyDroid | TekDroid: No but as Europe, they depend on imports |
19:17.20 | ImpyDroid | You need glolious Chinese iron to make grorious Nippon steer |
19:17.54 | Wormy | I know I've posted it already but I love it: The Soviets had a laser tank decades ago! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug81gOdYLNU |
19:18.09 | Hachiman | Despite the nukes Japan has had healthy relations with the US even before WW2, as it was the US that allowed for the foundation of modern Japan via Meiji Restoration, as well as the fact that Japan doesn't tend to really get on with the other far Eastern states from my knowledge |
19:18.18 | Wormy | and we think of them as cutting edge when we hear about laser weapons today |
19:18.32 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Because nobody likes them hur |
19:18.46 | Hachiman | Can't blame them after WW2 hur |
19:18.52 | ImpyDroid | Hur |
19:19.44 | Hachiman | I dunno why but this brings me back to NationStates |
19:19.48 | ImpyDroid | And while we're here |
19:19.49 | Wormy | I could see an alliance of Russia, China, North Korea, several Middle Eastern and possibly African nations |
19:20.01 | Wormy | that is quite possible |
19:20.09 | Wormy | China has interests in Africa |
19:20.16 | ImpyDroid | Lok'tar ogar |
19:21.21 | ImpyDroid | If we ally with China, we should try to do something with North Korea |
19:21.29 | Wormy | It does kind of feel like everything is piping up to WW3, though I think its probably irrational |
19:21.38 | ImpyDroid | I mean you can make it do something useful |
19:21.43 | Hachiman | Disassemble it hur |
19:21.58 | ImpyDroid | How can you disassemble a country hur |
19:22.17 | Hachiman | By removing its politicians and government |
19:22.41 | Wormy | One reason why I think China may not support Russia in a war is because they have their own problems, and because they don't want a flood of refugees from North Korea if it got taken over by Western powers |
19:22.42 | ImpyDroid | So behead it |
19:23.10 | ImpyDroid | Then we instate a Russian and/or Chinese puppet and invest in North Korea hur |
19:23.14 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness I did this at random |
19:23.24 | drom | ImpyDroid: I have decided that the UDU will have a glargish language. |
19:23.32 | Wormy | North Korea needs more food. That would be a start. |
19:23.34 | ImpyDroid | drom: pshe-bzhe |
19:23.41 | Hachiman | Behead NK and save its people via inserting Russian/Chinese politicians |
19:24.04 | Hachiman | Then carry on the communism vs. capitalism feuds against South Korea |
19:24.14 | drom | Something in that style, but more like gurgling fashion. |
19:24.39 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: grorious pran |
19:24.52 | drom | ImpyDroid: Here's what I have got so far. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Umbra_Democratic_Union |
19:25.45 | ImpyDroid | Umbra stronk |
19:26.39 | Hachiman | Xho: >Peashooter |
19:26.54 | ImpyDroid | Fun fact: Some Russian ultra-patriots call the EU "Gayrope"/"Gayropeans" |
19:28.02 | Hachiman | I don't even know who the "villain" is in this Russia vs Ukraine thing - who/what started all of this? |
19:28.10 | ImpyDroid | Nobody is hur |
19:28.29 | ImpyDroid | It all started with the Euromaidan and the unrest in the Ukraine |
19:28.36 | Xho | OluapWorker: u c dat |
19:28.50 | drom | EU is da villain, because their proposal started the riots. |
19:29.09 | OluapWorker | later |
19:29.23 | ImpyDroid | Then we kinda decided it'd be an opportune moment to reclaim Crimea especially considering the chaos Ukraine was in |
19:29.25 | drom | (not really, but it all started with an innocent proposal for EU membership) |
19:30.23 | Hachiman | So Ukraine's lower classes got uppity with the government due to a proposal from the EU and Russia thought it would step in and reclaim Crimea to regain former territory and keep it safe from the riots |
19:30.48 | ImpyDroid | More or less yep |
19:30.58 | drom | According to a source, the life in Crimea is getting more and more miserable. |
19:31.12 | drom | Because the economy and infrastructure has collapsed. |
19:31.23 | ImpyDroid | According to my Crimean friend life in Crimea is getting better |
19:32.10 | ImpyDroid | Although he complained that due to the Russian education system school became a lot more difficult for him hur |
19:32.32 | drom | Dats the Ukrainian curse for him. hur |
19:33.14 | ImpyDroid | I actually have two Ukrainian friends |
19:33.35 | ImpyDroid | That Crimean guy and that creepy Asian-loving stalker girl |
19:33.40 | Hachiman | I can't imagine a similar situation ever happening with the UK and we had a buttload of territory during our time as the Empire |
19:33.49 | ImpyDroid | She's from East Ukraine |
19:33.54 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: As in? |
19:34.28 | Hachiman | Well if France or Canada ever strated getting plunged into riots Britain would probably stay far away from that |
19:34.31 | Hachiman | *started |
19:35.07 | ImpyDroid | Well Crimea is like 90% Russian |
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19:35.18 | ImpyDroid | It has been Russian for most of its history anyway |
19:35.22 | Wormy | Its possible America is getting the biggest laugh you know |
19:35.42 | ImpyDroid | East Ukraine is pretty Russian-influenced anyway |
19:35.47 | ImpyDroid | *too |
19:36.04 | Wormy | http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/03/ukraine-some-thoughts-on-who-is-playing-for-what/ |
19:36.12 | Hachiman | I don't know who influenced who when it comes to the UK, France and neighbouring countries |
19:36.39 | ImpyDroid | France influenced Britain a lot but that was like ages ago |
19:37.18 | ImpyDroid | Ukraine and Russia however only became separate from each other fairly recently, both culturally and politically |
19:37.51 | ImpyDroid | In fact until the 20th century the most common term for Ukrainians was "Little Russians" |
19:37.58 | ImpyDroid | In Ukraine itself, even |
19:39.21 | ImpyDroid | Actual Russia was "Great Russia", and Belorussia was and still is "White Russia" |
19:39.45 | ImpyDroid | ...I have no idea why they are "white" though |
19:40.27 | ImpyDroid | You know what "Ukraine" actually means BTW? |
19:40.57 | Monet | Not sure |
19:41.05 | ImpyDroid | It's archaic Russian/Ukrainian for "borderland" |
19:41.28 | Xho | I see what this is about |
19:41.28 | ImpyDroid | As in, the border of the Russian Empire |
19:41.30 | Xho | Putin is a Vault Hunter |
19:41.40 | Hachiman | Aww yiss |
19:42.28 | Monet | lol |
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19:42.48 | ImpyDroid | Actuallt |
19:43.04 | ImpyDroid | I think the Ukraine crisis is useful both for the West and Russia |
19:43.10 | ImpyDroid | I mean |
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19:43.33 | ImpyDroid | Both of us now have enemies to unite against - that is, each other. |
19:43.41 | ImpyDroid | 1984-style |
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19:48.09 | Monet | I'm wondering...I think the word "power" might be too broad a term to exist as "power" in high dracid. |
19:49.03 | Monet | Instead I think it would ahve at least half a dozen words ot describe the term |
19:49.37 | ImpyDroid | Russian has several words for power |
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19:50.02 | Sporeraptor | hi |
19:50.08 | ImpyDroid | We have political power, physical power, electric power, etc |
19:50.18 | Hachiman | Superpowers hur |
19:50.27 | Sporeraptor | Did I miss anything during the last few days ( I had no internet ) ? |
19:50.39 | ImpyDroid | On the other hand we have no word for "force", so we use "power" for jt |
19:50.43 | ImpyDroid | Hmmmm |
19:51.07 | ImpyDroid | Given that we talked about LGBT and Russia today... |
19:51.15 | ImpyDroid | Remember our gay propaganda law? |
19:51.22 | Monet | ImpyDroid: Yeah that is what High Dracid does |
19:52.01 | ImpyDroid | Basically, the guy that suggested it also attempted to give all embryos citizenship |
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19:52.54 | Monet | That sounds like an anti-abortion policy |
19:52.57 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness Added more there |
19:53.49 | drom | Sporeraptor: You surely missed my Haldrivian creatures. hur |
19:54.54 | Monet | "I am become death. The destroyer of servers." Level 151 Oppenheimer |
19:55.05 | Wormy | http://www.todayifoundout.com/ |
19:55.06 | drom | god my head feels like it's going to explode |
19:55.11 | Wormy | interesting website |
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19:55.43 | Monet | Xho: That is some really broken stuff |
19:56.04 | ImpyDroid | Xho the GM |
19:56.30 | Xho | I think the Firesword is the most balanced item there |
19:57.16 | Xho | Or Santorakh's book |
19:57.22 | Xho | Or his stick |
19:58.06 | drom | hands Wormy a needle* |
19:58.15 | drom | Please stab my head with it. |
19:58.24 | drom | Do. It. |
19:58.27 | Wormy | Creates a hole |
19:59.09 | drom | 's head quickly deflates, stands still and twitching for few mere seconds. collapses* |
19:59.20 | Wormy | *A load of pressure is released like steam as Drom's brain takes up new volume* |
20:00.01 | Xho | I might do Fantasy items now |
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20:00.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
20:00.08 | Sporeraptor | hi |
20:00.10 | drom | head inflates, but deflates because of the hole* |
20:00.14 | Wormy | hi |
20:00.21 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry I wasn't on much yesterday. |
20:00.28 | Wormy | Anyone-else gota headache? |
20:00.34 | Wormy | Dr Wormy is here |
20:01.14 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: A Russian-East Asian alliance would be interesting |
20:01.34 | ImpyDroid | Duh |
20:02.09 | drom | Wormy: Xho has got one, but he won't admit. |
20:02.21 | Xho | I have admitted hur |
20:03.44 | Wormy | Sounds like he needs a wider hole |
20:04.09 | Hachiman | What's this about a wide hole |
20:04.15 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
20:04.30 | Wormy | Do you want one? |
20:04.47 | Wormy | gets his drill ready |
20:05.33 | DrodoEmpire | shakes his head |
20:05.46 | drom | Assisstant Drom is now available! |
20:06.33 | drom | Ya need help Wormy? |
20:07.48 | Wormy | Yes, you'll make a fine assistant |
20:08.00 | Wormy | You seem to know a lot about sharp tools. |
20:08.49 | drom | Ofc I do. Look at those triceps too! |
20:09.07 | drom | flexes his superhumanely big arms |
20:09.34 | Wormy | That will hold anyone's pain reflex down |
20:09.54 | drom | Who is our next patient? |
20:10.49 | drom | grabs the list* |
20:11.12 | drom | *flap* *flap* *flap* Uuuurm... DrodoEmpire? |
20:12.17 | Wormy | Yes, *gets a rusty drill bit*, the flaky sharp bits are useful, even if it does jam up sometimes |
20:12.50 | drom | grabs DrodoEmpire's throat* |
20:13.23 | drom | forces DrodoEmpire into the chair with straps as he almost suffocates him with this strong grip* |
20:13.36 | drom | It looks like he's ready to go! |
20:14.59 | Wormy | Drills a massive hole in the back of the skull |
20:15.24 | Wormy | See that bit of brain Drodo, thats where the Great Master that Makes the Grass Green live |
20:15.48 | drom | injects a syringe into DrodoEmpire to suppress his pain* |
20:16.41 | drom | Wops! Wrong medicine! |
20:16.42 | Wormy | Its all a dream Drodo, you live in your mind. |
20:17.20 | Wormy | That was the horse tranquiliser |
20:17.27 | drom | I took the super-strong one. Not the Canadian-friendly one. |
20:17.53 | Wormy | I think Ghelaway is next. |
20:18.08 | Wormy | Hm, his skull is... Different. |
20:18.09 | drom | Aye, let's revive him! |
20:18.48 | Wormy | You might need to use those strong arms and strong voice of yours. |
20:19.26 | drom | prepares the equipment* |
20:20.42 | drom | later goes to a fuse cabinet, penerates his strong arms through the hatch and rips out two 400V wires* |
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20:22.02 | drom | Let's do this! |
20:22.24 | TekDroid | Hello |
20:22.34 | drom | forces Ghelaway's stale body on the strechter* |
20:22.41 | TekDroid | O.o |
20:22.48 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Xho.27s_Items_of_Itemness Added more |
20:23.09 | drom | Itemness |
20:23.11 | drom | genius |
20:24.18 | Wormy | Humph, the drillbit wore out |
20:24.34 | Wormy | Goes on a quest for a diamond drill |
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20:25.17 | drom | Ey, Dr. Wormy. There's a platinum drill over there! |
20:25.39 | Wormy | We'll give that a go |
20:26.04 | Wormy | Otherwise, we will have use sandpaper |
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20:27.04 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
20:27.35 | Hachiman | Hi |
20:28.21 | drom | uses an ultra-croase sandpaper and removes the flesh and skin from the bone of Ghelaway's forehead* |
20:28.37 | drom | Drillin' time! |
20:29.12 | Wormy | begins drilling |
20:29.29 | Wormy | OMG, do you hear that sound? |
20:30.04 | drom | Urruh, rrrnooo? |
20:30.12 | Wormy | It sounds like the drums of war, cup your ear |
20:30.28 | Wormy | carries on drilling |
20:30.36 | Wormy | Its getting louder |
20:30.53 | drom | Drom. Blood. Thirsty! |
20:31.29 | drom | makes a lethal stroke on the drill* |
20:31.53 | drom | That skull-cracking sound, sounds good! |
20:32.00 | Wormy | *Unleashes whatever cosmic horror was trapped in in Ghelaway's skull* |
20:33.39 | AdmiralPanda | secretly is puppies |
20:33.39 | drom | grabs the two 400V wires and connects them to Ghelaway's brain* |
20:34.48 | drom | *sniffff* Can you feel that nice stence of grill? |
20:34.50 | Wormy | *Fried puppies fall out* |
20:35.19 | Wormy | Its like jerky |
20:35.32 | Wormy | hands them out to Hachiman's many children |
20:36.27 | drom | Those furry abominations! |
20:37.28 | Technobliterator | yo peoples |
20:37.33 | Technobliterator | can you all give ideas on the forum :o |
20:38.32 | drom | No. We are practising real medicine! |
20:41.39 | Xho | Technobliterator: Honestly, too much tl;dr for me to give a shit |
20:41.50 | Technobliterator | heh |
20:42.57 | Wormy | "Stop calling me Xhodocto3546" |
20:43.04 | Wormy | Who is calling you that? |
20:43.11 | Wormy | Looks a bit random lol |
20:43.25 | Hachiman | I feel that with a lack of coordinators this fiction will go to shit relatively quickly before its halfway point but that's just me |
20:43.55 | Technobliterator | "Stop calling me Xhodocto3546." I said that because that was the name you were using back then :o |
20:44.14 | Hachiman | I'm probably not gonna get involved so it doesn't matter much to me anyway |
20:44.30 | Hachiman | Even if this was my idea |
20:44.35 | Monet | There...might be some truth ot that. |
20:44.54 | Monet | Its the job of a coordinator to, well, coordinate what's going on, which includes keeping the fiction's pace up |
20:45.34 | Xho | I'm with the blue rabbit on this one |
20:45.43 | Wormy | I don't think coordinators are absolutely necessary to outline the fiction |
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20:45.59 | Technobliterator | if it becomes chaotic half way through, we can appoint a co-ordinator or two |
20:46.03 | Technobliterator | if it does not, there is no need |
20:46.09 | Wormy | Yeah |
20:46.23 | Wormy | Look, I don't think we can make any long term predictions |
20:46.32 | Hachiman | If it turns out that it really does need coordinators halfway through then it's failed as a fiction |
20:46.33 | Wormy | All we can do is try |
20:46.35 | Xho | Well there is a problem with this |
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20:46.52 | Liquid_Ink | Hello everybody |
20:46.52 | Xho | How are you gonna get it to kick off without someone leading it |
20:46.55 | Xho | Hello |
20:47.04 | Monet | Hello |
20:47.08 | Wormy | I don't see that as being a problem. However, once we have coordinators, we can't change back. |
20:47.09 | Technobliterator | hi Liquid |
20:47.21 | Wormy | Did anyone read my comment? |
20:47.30 | Technobliterator | exactly, we can go from no co-ordinators to co-ordinators easily, but not the other way around |
20:47.32 | Wormy | I gave an explanation why I think it could work |
20:47.37 | Hachiman | And if it does go to shit halfway through and needs the appointment of a coordinator, guess what, the fiction's already in shambles and you'll have tons of self-nominators wanting to coordinate |
20:48.24 | Wormy | read my opposition if you haven't http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189114 |
20:48.25 | Technobliterator | that is a hypothetical worst-case scenario |
20:48.45 | Hachiman | This wiki has a thing for worst-case scenarios |
20:48.51 | Hachiman | Look at GC |
20:48.52 | Wormy | Yeah, we can't know if it will lead to one however |
20:49.08 | Wormy | The same could happen with coordinators at a worst case |
20:49.33 | Hachiman | Either way it doesn't really matter much to me |
20:49.35 | Technobliterator | I can think of hypothetical worst-case scenarios for a lot of fictions that have gone well |
20:49.48 | Wormy | I mean, the fiction universe as a whole is ruled not by coordinators by by the most active users |
20:50.04 | Hachiman | I'm not getting involved so if it goes wrong it's not my fault, but if it does then don't say I didn't warn you beforehand |
20:50.10 | Wormy | We did try to have them once |
20:50.27 | Monet | How did we manage with the War of Ages? |
20:50.29 | Technobliterator | Fictionverse Coordinators was a horrible idea ._. |
20:50.36 | Technobliterator | we managed with Xho and Valader |
20:50.41 | Technobliterator | those are the gold ages I want to get back to |
20:50.50 | Wormy | We had coordinators, but that was a different kind of fiction to this. |
20:51.05 | Monet | It was still fairly large-scale wasn't it? |
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20:51.11 | Wormy | This is supposed to be bigger and doesn't have a goal or fixed ending. |
20:51.17 | Monet | I think one possible problem is that there isn't one fiction style anymore. |
20:51.21 | Technobliterator | there was also Station Halcyon |
20:51.33 | Technobliterator | were there coordinators for that? |
20:51.38 | Wormy | None really |
20:51.48 | Technobliterator | mhm |
20:51.53 | Hachiman | And it fell apart |
20:51.54 | Wormy | I'm going to restart it soon |
20:51.57 | Monet | Station Halcyon was more open-ended though wasn't it? |
20:52.07 | Technobliterator | people lost interest in it |
20:52.11 | Wormy | By the sounds of it, so is this fiction |
20:52.19 | Technobliterator | no, this one is not open-ended |
20:52.26 | Wormy | We lost interest in it because it needed retconning |
20:52.39 | Wormy | and laziness |
20:52.52 | Monet | I rememebr hearing about an incident with a disagreable user and when he left it couldn't be continued |
20:53.02 | Technobliterator | R17 |
20:53.05 | drom | The votings are now 50:50 ftw |
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20:53.34 | Sporeraptor | hi |
20:53.37 | Wormy | I think one thing that undercuts all this is that this fiction doesn't have a planned ending/ |
20:53.50 | Technobliterator | It can do |
20:53.53 | Wormy | Without one, I think coordinators are a bad idea personally |
20:53.57 | Technobliterator | as soon as people suggest ideas |
20:54.04 | Technobliterator | which no one has so far...:/ |
20:54.14 | drom | Let's have anarchy instead. |
20:54.25 | Wormy | Its real anarchy though |
20:54.29 | Wormy | *its NOT |
20:54.45 | Technobliterator | having no co-ordinators is more wikilike anyway |
20:54.48 | Wormy | The fiction in my conception, is ruled by people making the most out of it |
20:54.50 | Technobliterator | there are no coordinators for editing pages |
20:55.12 | Technobliterator | in mine, it is just like any wiki page that people contribute to |
20:55.24 | Technobliterator | the more the contribute, the more it is "theirs", the more their name appears in the page history |
20:55.26 | Technobliterator | etc etc |
20:55.30 | Wormy | yes |
20:55.35 | Wormy | Thats what I mean |
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20:56.02 | Wormy | Only then we can get more traditional fictions, maybe with coordinators |
20:56.07 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
20:56.15 | Wormy | We need to map out the new space first |
20:56.23 | Wormy | We don't even know what this fiction is yet |
20:56.43 | drom | We have to create a Google Document so we can pull in our ideas. |
20:56.56 | Wormy | Why a google document? |
20:57.10 | drom | Anyone, with the access can contribute. |
20:57.24 | Wormy | Sounds like a wiki test page |
20:57.31 | drom | Hm. |
20:57.39 | Wormy | Thats an idea |
20:58.03 | Technobliterator | not a terrible idea, but I don't see why a /test doesn't work either |
20:58.08 | Wormy | Howabout we create fictions in the new fictionspace (being metaphorical there), then see what major stories we can make? |
20:58.22 | drom | But I think there's other alternatives though. |
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20:58.29 | Technobliterator | eh, I was hoping people would add to the forum instead |
20:58.34 | Wormy | That will drag in a lot of ideas |
20:58.36 | Technobliterator | anyway, this page would not be created in fictionspace |
20:58.40 | Technobliterator | it will be Projectspace |
20:58.56 | Wormy | (metathorical) |
20:59.01 | Technobliterator | ie Project:Fiction Universe/thing |
20:59.17 | Wormy | I meant like, phasespace, or timespace, or languagespace |
20:59.38 | Wormy | The problem is, the forum might be too well, boring |
20:59.54 | Wormy | But if people create nice fictions, other people might want it |
21:00.03 | Wormy | and make their own |
21:03.02 | Wormy | To tell you the truth |
21:03.12 | Wormy | I have no energy for this fiction yet |
21:03.34 | Technobliterator | it's barely a concept, so far |
21:03.48 | Wormy | And won't for a while. I can mull over ideas for it, but I've got too much on my hands as it is |
21:04.07 | Wormy | I hope by late into the year, I can have a start |
21:04.09 | Xho | I'm not sure whether what I said during the debate has been taken on board at all here |
21:04.19 | Monet | Hard to start a fiction when several of us are due to start out studies again very soon |
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21:14.04 | drom | Joan Cornella has to be my favorite |
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21:21.55 | Liquid_Ink | slaps Hachiman. |
21:22.12 | drom | Oi. I got some porn for you Hachi |
21:22.29 | Hachiman | Not interested in porn right now |
21:22.34 | Liquid_Ink | http://pastie.org/private/0ge4fzkeqqhwbmbxueiw Here, some erotic fiction. |
21:22.37 | drom | Not really. But have this instead. http://imgur.com/account/favorites/UnwCb |
21:22.58 | Liquid_Ink | Link doesn't work. |
21:23.50 | drom | Wups |
21:24.22 | drom | Be warned though. http://imgur.com/gallery/UnwCb |
21:26.14 | Hachiman | Brilliant |
21:28.14 | drom | Angrybirds: Human technology in a nutshell. http://i.imgur.com/XphAYZ7.gif |
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21:28.44 | Angrybirds | lul, IRL, or in Sporewiki? |
21:28.45 | Knight_Alien | XD |
21:28.51 | Hachiman | Tinder's fucking stupid anyway |
21:29.00 | Hachiman | As is most social sites nowadays |
21:29.12 | Hachiman | *are |
21:29.25 | drom | Angrybirds: Both |
21:29.35 | Angrybirds | France - D: |
21:30.04 | drom | Specially those with a rating below "Average" |
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21:31.16 | Angrybirds | Those things that are below average are generally not terrible as in they break down constantly, but simply don't match up to modern technology in terms of power and efficiency. |
21:31.42 | Monet | TBF...the car was biult by the gang at Top Gear. |
21:32.13 | Monet | Ironically if I rememebr the episode I think that car was designed to be used ocmfortably by pensioners |
21:32.28 | Angrybirds | Kind of how the B-17 still works perfectly a century later and is the only plane design in existence to have no definite lifespan, but it doesn't even compare to the jet bombers used today. |
21:33.12 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:189114#22 Made a post |
21:33.23 | Wormy | Americans used that helicoptor for decades |
21:34.49 | Angrybirds | B-17 is a dual propeller plane* |
21:35.45 | Angrybirds | But yes, and it's still being used for commercial purposes today. |
21:37.39 | Xho | I'm really beginning to lose my temper with these discussions |
21:37.43 | Wormy | replied |
21:38.52 | Wormy | I added "Part of the problem is that we don't know the ending for this yet. I suggest we get to work on that and not worry too much." |
21:39.37 | drom | testing |
21:39.49 | drom | The inputs still doesn't work. Bah |
21:40.12 | Xho | I think the wiki is beginning to run around like a headless chicken |
21:40.45 | Xho | I think it's actually falling apart faster trying to solve these things than actually having a problem |
21:41.06 | Wormy | I think I'll also add that it is necessary to argue about. I think I have to admit, I was imaging the worst-case scenario with coordinators. But I think we are worrying too much about this fiction without coordination |
21:41.16 | Wormy | *unnecessary |
21:41.18 | Wormy | sorry |
21:41.32 | Xho | We're worrying too much in general because everyone's tip-toeing around each other not trying to cause a shitstorm |
21:41.43 | Wormy | lol, one way to put it |
21:42.08 | Wormy | I seriously think all we can do is, "do dis sheet" |
21:43.25 | drom | Xho: We can solve it by stomping the toes. |
21:43.47 | Xho | I'm so fed up with this parade that I almost wish users explode again |
21:44.24 | drom | "Should charators drop charator exhaustive items?" |
21:44.33 | Hachiman | I'll say it now; I contributed a large part to the idea of this fiction, with my idea being the one that urged everyone, including the new users, towards it (with Wormy and Panda's own contributing towards its popularity probably) and it wouldn't have mattered if I had stayed in the fiction or not - the "no coordinators" policy is going to bastardize the vision that I had intended to coincide alongside the idea |
21:44.39 | drom | I don't know why, but I laughed at that one. |
21:45.04 | Xho | Everything sounds so false at the moment and I want everyone to just shut up discussing things and get on with what they're doing |
21:45.15 | Xho | Just to return the wiki to some kind of normality |
21:46.15 | Monet | I'm going ot have ot agree with Hachi here. |
21:46.40 | Monet | This fiction could fall apart really fast if we decide there won't be anyone to roganise things, i've seen it happen. |
21:47.00 | Monet | organise, ccordinate, whatever |
21:47.15 | Wormy | Hachiman: Did me saying only the users most active rule the roost worry you that your contribution won't go ahead? |
21:47.16 | Monet | And I don't mean the last fiction. |
21:47.32 | Wormy | I see what you mean |
21:48.01 | Xho | This is all really putting me off doing things on the wiki you know |
21:48.45 | Xho | It's kind of why I'm sticking to the Fantasyverse because nothing dramatic is going on in it |
21:48.57 | Wormy | I was hoping that, my ideas of hyperspace, and yours, could be melded somehow into the main central story, simply because itas great and we could try hard to make it so. And even if it doesn't make the main story, I thought it could become an important part. |
21:50.44 | drom | Time to go. See ya pals. |
21:50.48 | drom | ~explode |
21:50.48 | infobot | BOOOM |
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21:55.44 | Wormy | As I was saying to Monet, I disagree that coordinators are absolutely essential to the background on this new fiction (its foundations). I think there is confusion because we don't actually have any storylines in the foreground yet. I'm hoping we be chaotic and map it out. And when we do have foreground stories (say the main story) we will probably need coordination |
21:56.20 | Wormy | We could skip my idea and just go straight to the main plot |
21:56.46 | Wormy | But then, people will complain, coordinators have their own limits, and I couldn't keep up with being paced |
21:57.17 | Wormy | They are the scenarios I guess may happen at worst |
21:57.25 | Liquid_Ink | Oh jesus christ I just saw a gif of a woman with a live spider in her mouth letting it crawl out |
21:57.39 | Wormy | I'm not trying to argue, I just want people to understand where I'm at too. |
21:57.55 | Wormy | In fact, I agree that coordination might be needed so |
21:58.23 | Xho | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BusY2H-CQAMKQc3.jpg:large I feel like posting this sometimes |
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22:04.13 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10426843_918906961463649_3447114173116703900_n.jpg?oh=e0a8532c15d9f0c74eac14df7c0cf050&oe=547EB3B1&__gda__=1416625031_487727aee84c9dfc34dfd4b47e21d146 |
22:05.29 | Xho | "historians say the original sext was 58008 on a calculator upside down" |
22:05.59 | Xho | Right I must go to sleep now since my brain has calcified |
22:06.43 | Wormy | should have took up my offer of drilling. |
22:08.36 | Monet | Damn Xho's post was dumb |
22:08.59 | Wormy | That re-think thing? Yes |
22:09.25 | Wormy | If you took the child with the house of fire, you'd be labelled a hero |
22:09.27 | Monet | I think all five could be answered with "because those peop lare authorised to do it. You aren't." |
22:11.24 | Monet | Although for all I know I'd probably be branded a conformist drone to governments or saying it. |
22:13.01 | Hachiman | Also the fact that those people that are allowed to do it aren't uneducated fucktards |
22:13.15 | Hachiman | And know what they're doing |
22:13.31 | Monet | Even the Ford and Chevy drivers who are allowed to crash into each other. |
22:15.19 | Tek0516 | ~test |
22:15.19 | infobot | rumour has it, test is not funny |
22:16.17 | Monet | Although I join the poster in that, not being American and not having grown up knowing much about the whole Ford vs. Chevrolet thing, I question why they do it. |
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22:27.20 | Wormy | hi |
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22:35.16 | Wormy | I'm watching state visit caremonies between different nations |
22:35.24 | Wormy | Funny seeing traditions |
22:37.32 | Wormy | Looks so... Old fashioned |
22:37.36 | Wormy | tribal |
22:40.40 | Tek0516 | In a sense, isn't it basically carried over from that? |
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22:42.58 | TekDroid | Walking across the campus which already has subpar signal. XD |
22:43.02 | Wormy | It is I guess |
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23:04.53 | Wormy | Hah |
23:05.44 | Wormy | People who believe Dinosaurs are still alive (creationists and none creationists) need to explain why they haven't appeared in 65 million years of fossil record since. |
23:06.13 | Wormy | The argument "jungles are big and dense" doesn't escape the fossil record |
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23:06.55 | Tek0516 | They only live in places we haven't checked the fossil record? :P |
23:07.10 | Wormy | Its amazing how one can think of ridiculously simple refutations. |
23:07.17 | Monet | I think I met one creationist who mentioned discovered fossil evidence in a craton in Candada (I think) had dinosaur fossils all over the place and not in the layers they "should" be |
23:08.04 | Angrybirds | There was a guy next to me on a motorcycle. He was wearing a helmet, underwear, and a fake leather jacket. That's it. |
23:08.10 | Tek0516 | You mean in a place where an impact scattered layers of rock everywhere? |
23:08.17 | Tek0516 | O.o |
23:09.42 | Monet | Tek0516: CratON not CratER. |
23:09.48 | Tek0516 | Oh. |
23:11.03 | Monet | Places that, due to having no volcanic or tectonic activity whatsoever due ot being so deep within the region of a tectonic plate that they're like geological time machines. |
23:11.31 | Tek0516 | Ah. |
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23:16.00 | Wormy | Did anyone reply I had a major disconnection |
23:16.34 | Tek0516 | Not really. |
23:17.35 | Wormy | I was going to say, its true that most conditions don't allow fossilisation, but given a timespan of 65 million years, around the globe, and the fact geologists are good at finding the tiniest trace fossils, and geochemists able to understand so much, its highly inprobably they'd go unnoticed |
23:18.57 | Wormy | Of course creationists would argue against all that, but I stumbled across a conversation of people who believed in evolution, but still think dinosaurs exist |
23:19.24 | Wormy | Well they kinda do with birds but they want sauropods and T Rex probably |
23:19.49 | Monet | A couple of creationists I've known appear to assume the only kind of radiological dating is via Carbon-14. Thus anything that could be older than 30,000 years (or is it 300k?) is a lie. |
23:20.21 | Angrybirds | I'm currently writing France's relations page. How would you guys describe France's foreign policy? |
23:20.54 | Tek0516 | Angrybirds: I imagine a "USA!"-esque chant. XD |
23:21.06 | Angrybirds | o.O |
23:21.12 | Angrybirds | Why is that? xD |
23:21.20 | Tek0516 | I have no idea. XD |
23:23.20 | Wormy | 50,000 years at most |
23:23.51 | Wormy | Particle accelerators can extend it to 100,000 |
23:23.55 | Wormy | somehow |
23:25.35 | Wormy | I think its to differentiate low concentrations carbon-14 from nitrogen-14 which is of similar mass |
23:26.43 | Wormy_STO | I'll play with my Gorn ship then do some fiction |
23:26.47 | Monet | Nevermind the fact that I don't think carbon can be found in fossils when the most common composition of rock on thep lanet is silicon dioxide |
23:27.52 | Wormy_STO | Yeah, there are much longer ranges, like Potassium-argon dating |
23:28.13 | Wormy_STO | Uranium-lead |
23:29.00 | Wormy_STO | Rubidium-strontium dating method would have a range of 50 billion years if the universe was as old as that |
23:31.16 | Wormy_STO | STO's launcher 25 Mb update |
23:31.23 | Wormy_STO | wat |
23:32.17 | Wormy_STO | ohgod |
23:32.29 | Wormy_STO | the launcher changed to delete me |
23:32.38 | Wormy_STO | a new one appeared and my Avast is scanning it |
23:32.53 | Wormy_STO | I hope a virus hasn't infected STO |
23:33.05 | Wormy_STO | nah |
23:33.19 | Wormy_STO | its all good |
23:42.51 | Angrybirds | Wormy_STO : What is a word for a field that studies alien cultures? |
23:46.27 | Monet | Angrybirds: Xenosociology? |
23:46.40 | Angrybirds | Danke |
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23:55.52 | OfficerJackal | Jello! |
23:55.54 | OfficerJackal | Hello* |
23:55.55 | OfficerJackal | Derp. |