| 00:00.15 | Vincent20100 | Hey guys |
| 00:00.18 | Wormy_fiction | The future of the DCP is in the hands of these three characters |
| 00:00.26 | Wormy_fiction | hi |
| 00:00.39 | Vincent20100 | So. |
| 00:00.45 | Vincent20100 | Fine work today? |
| 00:01.04 | Wormy_fiction | Wiki-wise or real life? |
| 00:01.20 | Vincent20100 | Well, I was asking wiki-wise, but both. |
| 00:01.48 | Wormy_fiction | I suppose I've started editing properly again today, and that section I've been meaning to write for ages |
| 00:02.13 | Wormy_fiction | in real life, I suppose its been a pretty non-eventful day |
| 00:03.23 | Vincent20100 | yah |
| 00:03.28 | Vincent20100 | What you're doing IRL? |
| 00:03.42 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Warfare - I've laid down the groundwork for this |
| 00:03.59 | DrodoEmpire | Right now a great help from everyone would be to fill in the glossary of terms |
| 00:04.12 | DrodoEmpire | With stuff like really exotic weapons and whatever else |
| 00:06.02 | Wormy_fiction | Well, its currently my summer holidays, but I've been doing a few things, including uni work, been studying new interests/skills, gone on holiday, seeing music festivals and been re-decorating my room |
| 00:06.47 | Wormy_fiction | Drodo, I've thought about adding to the space warfare section |
| 00:06.53 | Vincent20100 | DrodoEmpire : Excellent job |
| 00:07.03 | Wormy_fiction | Yes, its a great start |
| 00:07.04 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks. :D |
| 00:07.20 | Vincent20100 | I may wrote down a sectionif you want |
| 00:07.23 | DrodoEmpire | Wormy: Me and AB will start off the sections to start with; Just to make sure everything's consistent |
| 00:07.25 | Vincent20100 | I love warfare history |
| 00:07.33 | DrodoEmpire | Then after that's done we'll open it up more |
| 00:07.49 | Wormy_fiction | Sure, okay |
| 00:07.59 | DrodoEmpire | Alright; Thanks for understanding |
| 00:08.40 | Vincent20100 | kk |
| 00:08.57 | DrodoEmpire | Though in the meantime if you'd want to put down stuff in the glossary that's okay |
| 00:10.08 | Hachiman | DrodoEmpire: I gotta say, I'm curious about Aq'Hual |
| 00:10.15 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 00:11.21 | Hachiman | What do they expect to do when faced with the event of alien invasion? Do the major clans of Aq'Hual have basic orbital facilities and the likes to at least have some defense against outsiders? |
| 00:11.47 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, of course |
| 00:11.59 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing beyond most frontier worlds, though |
| 00:12.02 | DrodoEmpire | Nothing notable |
| 00:12.11 | DrodoEmpire | I might change this |
| 00:12.42 | Hachiman | You should go full White Scars mode and give them some hover-bikes :p |
| 00:15.53 | Hachiman | Do you reckon that the Aq'Hual clans would use full-on warbeasts as part of their arsenals? Stuff like giant, tamed birds and colossal predators? |
| 00:16.09 | DrodoEmpire | No, horses or similar |
| 00:16.32 | Wormy_fiction | Hachi: Nazis vs Klingons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWcFuCOoOM |
| 00:16.51 | Hachiman | Now I imagine Drodoian pony-riders |
| 00:16.55 | Hachiman | Like the Mongols |
| 00:17.03 | DrodoEmpire | basically that;s who they are |
| 00:17.08 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:17.16 | Monet_ | I rmember in Strongohld you could set up cages for attack dogs that would open up when enemies were lcosing in. Unfortunately they had a habit of chasing *everyone* regardless of alliegence. |
| 00:17.32 | DrodoEmpire | I based them off of the Altaic peoples like the Mongols, Oirats, etc. |
| 00:18.30 | DrodoEmpire | I would use bikes but I find them to be impractical; I'd imagine if they had a light frame (probably necessary for it to float) you;'d go head-over heels if you went head on with a lanc |
| 00:18.33 | DrodoEmpire | *lance |
| 00:18.41 | Monet_ | A castle's attack dogs in Strongohle are jsut as likely to savage your peasants and your own soldiers as they would the advancing spearmen. Probably because such dogs are often starved |
| 00:18.58 | Monet_ | Stronghold* |
| 00:19.01 | Hachiman | Wormy_fiction: At least the Klingons are useful for once |
| 00:19.08 | Wormy_fiction | lol |
| 00:19.35 | DrodoEmpire | And the fact that they're simple and likely moneyless (though not necessarily poor), they may not be able to afford a hoverbike |
| 00:20.00 | Hachiman | Do the Aq'Hual maintain contact with the spacefaring Drodo or are they separated completely? |
| 00:20.09 | DrodoEmpire | They're an aytonomous region |
| 00:20.14 | Monet_ | Also a hoverbike requires specialised fuel, horses jsut need grass or hay. |
| 00:20.15 | DrodoEmpire | *autonomous |
| 00:20.23 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: That too |
| 00:21.30 | Monet_ | I suppose while the Aq'Hual herders could get sleek and silent hoverbikes if they saved up, a horse is much easier ot maintain out on the outskirts of planetary civilisation. |
| 00:22.11 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:22.28 | DrodoEmpire | They aren't completely primitive; They simply lack a lot of infrastructure and are very traditionalist |
| 00:23.11 | Hachiman | So, Drodoian Amish? |
| 00:23.16 | DrodoEmpire | Sorta. XD |
| 00:23.35 | DrodoEmpire | Because of this traditionalism it is common for younger Aq'Hual people to go off and join the military, often forming there own elite cavalry regiments |
| 00:24.28 | Monet_ | You get Mongolian clans to this day who still seem to favour horses over motorbikes. |
| 00:24.35 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:24.43 | Hachiman | Huh, cool |
| 00:25.26 | Hachiman | Do barbaric practices often come up on Aq'Hual? Considering that the residents are clan-based and lacking in a lot of infrastructure, I'm imagining that laws and traditions are divided between them |
| 00:25.37 | DrodoEmpire | Oh certainly |
| 00:26.19 | DrodoEmpire | The government;'s very decentralized; The Khan's word is supposed to be carried out by the Jhiks or clan leaders; Sometimes this results in a heavy-handed execution of the law or none at all |
| 00:27.02 | DrodoEmpire | Though in all it is usually peaceful |
| 00:27.26 | DrodoEmpire | Besides the occasional controversy or battle amongst families |
| 00:27.40 | Hachiman | Cue cannibalism, rape, incest, ritual organ farming, among other practices :p |
| 00:27.54 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:28.43 | Wormy | What do Drodo think of Earth horses? |
| 00:29.03 | Wormy | Or *shudders* Horsemen |
| 00:29.27 | DrodoEmpire | Probably quite fondly; Similar to there own mounts which would be horselike. |
| 00:29.31 | DrodoEmpire | (their |
| 00:30.28 | Hachiman | I get reminded of this one stupid Star Wars scene where droid lancers appear on hoverbikes and skewer an entire army by themselves with just lances |
| 00:30.34 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 00:31.02 | DrodoEmpire | Well Drodo Cavalry would very rarely just charge at a whole army; Even heavy cavalry |
| 00:31.10 | DrodoEmpire | That's suicide. :P |
| 00:31.28 | Monet_ | The Charge of the Light Brigade springs to mind |
| 00:31.32 | DrodoEmpire | More likely; They flank unsuspecting opponents or dismount entirely |
| 00:31.53 | DrodoEmpire | Heavy cavalry though can and do charge regiment to regiment |
| 00:31.58 | Wormy | From Star Wars Clone Wars? |
| 00:32.03 | Wormy | Aww I loved that scene |
| 00:33.07 | Hachiman | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071012172509/starwars/images/8/84/IG_lancer_combat_droid.JPG What the fuck were they thinking when they came up with this |
| 00:33.43 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:33.43 | Wormy | The Lancer Droids were quite pwnsome http://youtu.be/VdpH-NUkjAM?t=14m1s |
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| 00:33.49 | DrodoEmpire | A lance and no sword... |
| 00:33.50 | Monet_ | "Hey I know, let's make knight droids!" |
| 00:33.56 | Monet_ | jousting droids* |
| 00:34.06 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah, that doesn't work. XD |
| 00:34.12 | Patriot868 | Hello gentlemen |
| 00:34.20 | Wormy | Were they in Clone Wars Animated too? |
| 00:34.31 | Wormy | I think of them in the Volume I |
| 00:34.49 | Monet_ | Yeah Drodo has a point. Often a lance would be used for an initial charge and perhaps again if the horseman could retreat and harge again, if not, lances are unfortunately a bit crap |
| 00:35.08 | DrodoEmpire | A lancer's primary weapon after actually engaging the enemy (unless you're one of those samurai that use naginata mounted) would be his sabre |
| 00:35.19 | Patriot868 | Well, if they werent in the animated show, they arent canon anymore |
| 00:35.49 | Wormy | Did you hear something? |
| 00:36.06 | DrodoEmpire | In fact lances where considered obsolete by the napoleonic wars to some; It was only the sheer badassery of the Polish Uhlans that made them work |
| 00:36.06 | TekDroid | gtg |
| 00:36.10 | Monet_ | In tight quarters, long spears were at a disadvantage since they require a lot of roomto move and the only nasty pointy bit was on the very end |
| 00:36.15 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:36.41 | Wormy | Yeah, but the Lancers in that scene were quite effective at taking out the Republic's artillary, it doesn't matter they were only for charging and nothing else |
| 00:36.43 | DrodoEmpire | Meanwhile a sabre can be swung in and and amongst a bunch of infantrymen |
| 00:37.04 | DrodoEmpire | But the point is that that's a waste. :P |
| 00:37.13 | Monet_ | COmpare that to a sabre or a bastard sword where it was at most a little longer than your arm and the nasty hurty bit went right up to your fist |
| 00:37.15 | DrodoEmpire | They could have easily equipped them with vibrosabres |
| 00:37.25 | Patriot868 | Wormy: Ya, they got rid of all the expanded universe, only the movies and show matter know. They got rid of one of the most expansive and consitent universes ever. |
| 00:38.19 | DrodoEmpire | Or better do it civil war style and give them pistols and sabres |
| 00:38.20 | Wormy | I don't care what Disney did, ow all everyone is going to say from now is "not canon anymore" |
| 00:38.50 | Wormy | A fiction universe is still a fiction universe in platonic fictionverse space |
| 00:38.59 | Monet_ | The expanded universe still exists. Disney is merely ignoring it |
| 00:39.11 | Patriot868 | ya, I know |
| 00:39.42 | Hachiman | So I learned from Skallagrim recently that you can hold a sharp sword by its blade and use the hilt as a club, as depicted in Medieval drawings. He says it can be useful in a closed space because while you might not be able to swing the blade, you can batter somebody with its other end like a club |
| 00:40.04 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:40.06 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:40.10 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty interesting |
| 00:40.12 | Wormy | Star Wars operates on the Rule of Cool though, remember. If I started getting pedantic about its physics, I wouldn't enjoy it either |
| 00:40.27 | DrodoEmpire | Agreed |
| 00:40.38 | DrodoEmpire | Though its still fun to nitpick every once and a while. >:3 |
| 00:40.41 | Patriot868 | Agreed |
| 00:40.56 | DrodoEmpire | Like using bikes for cavalry charges. :P |
| 00:41.00 | Monet_ | The cutting edge requires momentum and soft skin, something th blade might not be getting nestled in your leathery glove |
| 00:41.22 | DrodoEmpire | Like I've said many times; If you hit someone with a lance you're going head over heels |
| 00:41.24 | Wormy | They catch the Republic completely off-guard here http://youtu.be/VdpH-NUkjAM?t=15m9s |
| 00:41.35 | Patriot868 | In other news, people continue to think that Katannas are somehow superior to every other sword in exsistence. |
| 00:41.41 | DrodoEmpire | And you have no weight in your charge |
| 00:41.43 | Wormy | At least that is depicted |
| 00:41.55 | DrodoEmpire | They're good swords; But no better than any other good sword |
| 00:41.58 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 00:42.03 | Wormy | when Obi Wan and the Republic jousters fight em |
| 00:42.07 | Patriot868 | I know, I said other people |
| 00:42.12 | DrodoEmpire | I know |
| 00:42.19 | DrodoEmpire | Just speaking my opinion on the matter |
| 00:42.20 | DrodoEmpire | Sorry |
| 00:42.54 | Hachiman | >Implying grorious nippon steer is equal to inferior peasant swords |
| 00:43.01 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:43.24 | DrodoEmpire | You're right; Logically considering strengths and weaknesses is a very shamefur dispray... |
| 00:43.35 | Monet_ | I stand by the belief that wootz stell is pretty boss as a metal. |
| 00:43.45 | Hachiman | But nah seriously katana cultists are annoying, I just like the katana because it's fancy looking and appeals to my more exotic tastes but I can accept that it's no better or no worse than any other sword |
| 00:43.53 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:44.22 | Patriot868 | Damm straight |
| 00:44.42 | DrodoEmpire | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/The_1908_British_cavalry_sword_2013-07-31_17-36.jpg - I like this sword. |
| 00:44.53 | Hachiman | Sissy rapiers hur |
| 00:44.55 | DrodoEmpire | Well-designed cavalry sword |
| 00:45.02 | DrodoEmpire | Actually a sabre. :P |
| 00:45.09 | DrodoEmpire | points and laughs |
| 00:45.28 | Hachiman | ech |
| 00:45.37 | Patriot868 | I have a sword like that, bavarian office sword |
| 00:45.39 | Monet_ | I hear fencing nerds raging. |
| 00:45.40 | Patriot868 | *officer |
| 00:46.04 | DrodoEmpire | From what I know you'd attempt to skewer enemies with it on the charge |
| 00:46.27 | DrodoEmpire | COnsidering how it was late to the party as far as swords go it done its job well. :P |
| 00:47.21 | Monet_ | if it was a rapier, the handguard is wrong |
| 00:47.26 | Monet_ | I think |
| 00:47.33 | DrodoEmpire | Eh... |
| 00:48.04 | DrodoEmpire | I really say it isn't a rapier because the blade is edged and it still has some thickness to it |
| 00:48.53 | Monet_ | http://www.freewebs.com/norstar1/1-MCa1.jpg this is the proper guard for a rapier from what i'm seeing |
| 00:49.21 | Monet_ | That cavalry sword lacks a crossguard |
| 00:49.41 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 00:49.51 | Monet_ | Sabre crossguards can vary between being minor and that handguard |
| 00:51.36 | Monet_ | Hmm a 1908 sword. |
| 00:52.07 | Monet_ | Must be a model on the tail end of the mass phasing out of cavalry |
| 00:52.26 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 00:52.39 | DrodoEmpire | Well into world war 2 elite cavalry units where considered relevant units. |
| 00:52.58 | DrodoEmpire | Polish cavalry actuall launched many successful charges against the Germans in 1939 |
| 00:53.03 | DrodoEmpire | *actually |
| 00:53.11 | Hachiman | One thing that annoys me about anime and games is how some swords will have holes in them |
| 00:53.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:53.23 | Hachiman | As in, along the blade, usually near the end of the damn thing |
| 00:53.31 | Hachiman | Why the fuck would you put a hole in your sword |
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| 00:54.39 | Monet_ | Could it be a "next phase" of the groove on many blades? |
| 00:55.06 | Monet_ | As ubiquitous as the groove may be, its only purpose is to minimise weight. |
| 00:55.15 | Wormy | I quite like those bendy Shaolin swords |
| 00:56.25 | Hachiman | Reminds me of Ip MAN |
| 00:56.27 | Hachiman | *Man |
| 00:56.55 | Wormy | Or that fight between Huo Yanjia and the European swordman |
| 01:03.23 | Hachiman | I dunno why but |
| 01:03.26 | Hachiman | I wanna make centaurs |
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| 01:05.03 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 01:05.04 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 01:05.12 | Patriot868 | hi |
| 01:05.15 | GD12 | Hello |
| 01:05.23 | GD12 | It appears that theres a sporewiki warfare page nao |
| 01:05.53 | DrodoEmpire | Yep |
| 01:06.01 | Monet_ | Yeah. I can see it being very useful. |
| 01:06.03 | DrodoEmpire | Me and AB are laying the groundwork |
| 01:06.04 | Wormy | idiots http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/utah-men-face-felony-charges-tipping-ancient-goblin-sandstone-article-1.1598575 |
| 01:06.26 | Monet_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Beyond Currency: The Post Scarcity Society jsut finished this |
| 01:06.38 | Monet_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Beyond_Currency:_The_Post_Scarcity_Society |
| 01:06.47 | GD12 | I suspect it will be very usefl |
| 01:06.50 | GD12 | *useful even |
| 01:08.08 | GD12 | I think the only maneuvers i've explicitly used are pincer movements, encirclements |
| 01:08.36 | GD12 | Mainly because things like defeat in detail or guerrilla warfare aren't very Tyrannyish maneuvers |
| 01:09.17 | GD12 | I won't give spoilers on the defensive maneuvers the Tyranny will use in Mirus though |
| 01:09.26 | Patriot868 | Thanks monet. The blog I wrote was more guidelines, good to see a concrete page. |
| 01:12.18 | DrodoEmpire | Monet: Excellent wor |
| 01:12.21 | DrodoEmpire | *work |
| 01:12.47 | Monet_ | I just remembered another factor: Profit motive |
| 01:12.55 | Monet_ | workign on a paragraph for it now |
| 01:13.02 | GD12 | Monet_ : Smart analysis |
| 01:15.03 | GD12 | bbl dinner |
| 01:24.37 | DrodoEmpire | So I'm still sort of on the fence about the state of religion within the Drodo Empire. :P |
| 01:25.00 | Vincent20100 | There |
| 01:25.10 | DrodoEmpire | Like, its an atheist state and most of the population is atheist/agnostic, but the |
| 01:25.11 | Vincent20100 | I have added a new section to the Upstarts Wars. |
| 01:25.21 | DrodoEmpire | *there still is a religious minority |
| 01:25.36 | Vincent20100 | Atheism is the only way, Comrade! |
| 01:25.53 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Upstarts/Invasion_of_Drenmarr#APR.2C_The_Lower_Province_Campaign_Pt.2 |
| 01:26.34 | DrodoEmpire | Currently places of worship get a tax break, and some hotels, guest rooms, etc. may still have holy books within them (the same way a bible's usually to be found somewhere within hotel rooms). |
| 01:26.45 | DrodoEmpire | But I may go back on these, I dunno |
| 01:27.29 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:27.36 | Monet_ | I'd say it all depends on the hotel's policy. |
| 01:27.44 | DrodoEmpire | That does, yeah |
| 01:27.49 | Vincent20100 | Do not let your People suffer of the blinding of religion! |
| 01:27.55 | DrodoEmpire | Just an example, I guess. |
| 01:27.58 | Vincent20100 | You must free them from oppression! |
| 01:28.09 | Vincent20100 | Burn the Holy Scriptures! |
| 01:28.11 | DrodoEmpire | I personally disapprove of religion but I am tolerant; |
| 01:28.16 | Monet_ | When I stayed in a hostel in Iceland I don't recall a bible in my room. |
| 01:28.19 | Vincent20100 | Same here. |
| 01:28.25 | Vincent20100 | Except the tolerance thingy |
| 01:28.35 | DrodoEmpire | In other words, I don't approve of your fanaticism. |
| 01:28.54 | DrodoEmpire | Just because yours is in the name of atheism doesn't make it better. :L |
| 01:28.56 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway |
| 01:29.09 | DrodoEmpire | Must just be in Canada/us other backwards countries |
| 01:29.29 | Vincent20100 | I'm Canadian |
| 01:29.41 | DrodoEmpire | Seeing as everytime I check the bedside counter there it is; A New Testament staring back at me |
| 01:29.52 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:29.56 | Monet_ | I don't see religion as something that can be abolished. Humans have some built-in desire to believe in something greater than themselves |
| 01:29.57 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:30.05 | Vincent20100 | In Canada there isn't that. |
| 01:30.07 | Hachiman | Then why are there atheists |
| 01:30.10 | Hachiman | :p |
| 01:30.12 | Vincent20100 | It's almost only a US thingy |
| 01:30.24 | DrodoEmpire | Because there's always exceptions. :P |
| 01:30.45 | Vincent20100 | There is something greater than ourselves. |
| 01:30.49 | Vincent20100 | It's call the community |
| 01:30.51 | Monet_ | Hachiman: Some atheists do end up acting as bad as the religiosu types |
| 01:30.54 | DrodoEmpire | And sometimes logic triumphs over instinctive desires to think there is a God |
| 01:31.01 | Hachiman | Oh yeah I won't deny that |
| 01:31.07 | Hachiman | Atheists are fucking horrible at times |
| 01:31.25 | Monet_ | Ok ay minus "greater than ourselves" as there are also celebirt idols |
| 01:31.26 | Vincent20100 | You must be ready to sacrifice E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. on the Altar of Logic! |
| 01:31.39 | DrodoEmpire | And not even to think there's a God; Just to think there's something greater than themselves; To which there are plenty secular alternatives |
| 01:31.58 | DrodoEmpire | The government, a personal idol, etc. |
| 01:32.38 | Vincent20100 | Yes, but at least the idols are real |
| 01:32.50 | DrodoEmpire | Hence "secular". :P |
| 01:33.05 | Vincent20100 | NAh |
| 01:33.12 | Vincent20100 | You see, that's our problem |
| 01:33.23 | Vincent20100 | We are too... "weak". |
| 01:33.27 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, I guess I may keep the tax breaks for now; To not have them would endanger places of worship. |
| 01:33.51 | DrodoEmpire | Which are still important to some people's lives within the Empire |
| 01:33.54 | Vincent20100 | We must stop being weak and lazy and adpting the lazy solution of "tolerance". |
| 01:34.05 | Vincent20100 | In our society tolerance is now an excuse for lazyness |
| 01:34.11 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a lazy solution; Its better than being aggressive and overbearing |
| 01:34.12 | Monet_ | I say so long as religions aren't tax-exempt itsfine |
| 01:34.23 | Hachiman | Ahem, racial tolerance is lazy? |
| 01:34.38 | Vincent20100 | No, it's lazyness. People are too lazy to think |
| 01:34.39 | DrodoEmpire | Being tolerant of those that are intolerant is unacceptable |
| 01:34.50 | DrodoEmpire | Being mutually tolerant is good |
| 01:34.56 | Vincent20100 | Racial tolerance doesn't exist, since races do not exist |
| 01:35.04 | Vincent20100 | ^^ |
| 01:35.15 | DrodoEmpire | Actually visible ethnicites DO exist... |
| 01:35.29 | Vincent20100 | Ethnicities =/= races |
| 01:35.37 | Vincent20100 | 2 diffrerent things |
| 01:35.43 | DrodoEmpire | Any meaningful differences between them don't. |
| 01:35.46 | Hachiman | Well... |
| 01:35.55 | Monet_ | I say it's a case by case basis |
| 01:36.02 | Hachiman | Africans, Europeans, and Asians all have quite different biological traits |
| 01:36.28 | DrodoEmpire | Perhaps; But these aren't major enough to say that we should be inequal in any way. |
| 01:36.29 | Vincent20100 | YEs, but there are still tons on tons of ethnicities among Europeeans |
| 01:36.34 | Vincent20100 | ANd among, Asian toos |
| 01:36.41 | Hachiman | And Africans |
| 01:36.48 | Vincent20100 | Ethnicities isn't realted to the colour |
| 01:36.50 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:36.53 | Vincent20100 | Africains too |
| 01:37.08 | Vincent20100 | Ethnicities is realted to CULTURE |
| 01:37.30 | Vincent20100 | Like the Jewish ethnicity |
| 01:37.37 | DrodoEmpire | I don't think so. |
| 01:37.40 | Hachiman | Um |
| 01:37.45 | Hachiman | Jews aren't a race |
| 01:37.53 | DrodoEmpire | Ethnicity has little to do with culture. |
| 01:37.55 | Vincent20100 | Jewish can be classified as an ethnicity (and a religon, that's an interesting case). |
| 01:37.58 | Hachiman | That's like saying Christians are a race |
| 01:38.00 | DrodoEmpire | CUlture has to do with culture |
| 01:38.04 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:38.13 | DrodoEmpire | Ethnicity is purely biological |
| 01:38.13 | Vincent20100 | Hachi, like said before Races =/= ethnicity |
| 01:38.17 | Vincent20100 | No |
| 01:38.19 | Monet_ | I think we all mssed something |
| 01:38.20 | Vincent20100 | That's the thing |
| 01:38.27 | DrodoEmpire | You're going about in circles, VIncent. |
| 01:38.32 | Vincent20100 | Ethnicity isn't biological |
| 01:38.36 | DrodoEmpire | ... |
| 01:38.38 | Vincent20100 | It's cultural |
| 01:38.43 | DrodoEmpire | No... |
| 01:38.45 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:38.47 | Monet_ | VInce said that Ethenicities are related to culture, being Jewish is not a race its an ethinicity. |
| 01:39.04 | DrodoEmpire | Its a culture and religion; not an ethnicity |
| 01:39.08 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:39.10 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 01:39.12 | Vincent20100 | Yes Monet! |
| 01:39.15 | Vincent20100 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group |
| 01:39.20 | DrodoEmpire | In my mind and Ethnicity is biological |
| 01:39.20 | Vincent20100 | HEre is the definition |
| 01:39.24 | Monet_ | Okay so he slipped up on the Jews |
| 01:39.28 | Vincent20100 | ANd it clrealy state it's a cultural thing |
| 01:39.33 | Monet_ | Okay but what about...Polish? |
| 01:39.44 | Wormy | Vincent: Have some Karl Popper on tolerance http://pastie.org/private/a9atd4pq9zuptxlj52lg |
| 01:39.46 | DrodoEmpire | Well I'll be damned. |
| 01:39.47 | Vincent20100 | Polish is a cultre/ethnicity |
| 01:39.55 | Vincent20100 | See Drodo |
| 01:40.07 | Vincent20100 | An ethnicity, or ethnic group, is a socially-defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural, or national experience |
| 01:40.13 | Vincent20100 | It's a definition |
| 01:40.20 | Hachiman | It also says it's an *ancestral* thing that's also displayed through *physical appearance* |
| 01:40.29 | DrodoEmpire | That's a part of it |
| 01:40.30 | Vincent20100 | Therefor ethnicity is cultural |
| 01:40.36 | Vincent20100 | Ancestral mean ritualy |
| 01:40.54 | Vincent20100 | Like a Barmitsva is a ritual |
| 01:41.03 | Vincent20100 | It's an ancestral thing |
| 01:41.03 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, I haven't a clue as to how this started. |
| 01:41.25 | Wormy | So an ethnicity is a mixture of genetic and memetic traits. |
| 01:41.32 | DrodoEmpire | Basically |
| 01:41.41 | Wormy | Resolved? |
| 01:42.03 | Vincent20100 | Nah, it's purely cultural. An asian could be of an African ethnicity if he was adopting to a 100% their culture |
| 01:42.08 | Wormy | Genes and memes have influenced each other as well |
| 01:42.30 | DrodoEmpire | It obviously isn't, VIncent |
| 01:42.42 | Vincent20100 | Like for exemple, there is Asian jews |
| 01:42.48 | Wormy | I think its a blurred boundary, we can't easily define race or ethnicity |
| 01:42.54 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:43.04 | Vincent20100 | See wormy that's what I meant by lazyness |
| 01:43.06 | Hachiman | Don't believe everything Wikipedia tells you :p |
| 01:43.10 | Hachiman | Because that's laziness |
| 01:43.15 | Vincent20100 | We are too lazy to really get to the end of the story. |
| 01:43.17 | Wormy | The moment you try to define it, you'll find inconsistency however |
| 01:43.29 | Wormy | I don't agree, epistemologically speaking |
| 01:43.35 | DrodoEmpire | gets a group of people and all scream "GET REKT!" |
| 01:43.38 | DrodoEmpire | >:3 |
| 01:43.45 | Hachiman | top kek |
| 01:43.50 | Vincent20100 | Well okay |
| 01:44.07 | Vincent20100 | http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ethnicity |
| 01:44.13 | Vincent20100 | Smae thing there |
| 01:44.20 | Wormy | I'm late into this conversation, but am I right that you said that religion being tolerated is laziness? |
| 01:44.33 | Vincent20100 | a common national or cultural tradition |
| 01:44.34 | DrodoEmpire | He did. |
| 01:44.37 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:44.43 | Vincent20100 | Yes, but let's focus on ethnicity |
| 01:44.55 | DrodoEmpire | No, let's focus on your primary argument. |
| 01:44.56 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 01:45.16 | DrodoEmpire | Which is really that; What began this conversation |
| 01:45.19 | Wormy | Well, I don't see why tolerance is intellectually lazy, you have clearly haven't studied it. |
| 01:45.24 | Vincent20100 | Jewish can be considered an ethnicity since it as a country (Israel) and cultural common thing (their religion) |
| 01:45.37 | Hachiman | Humans suck anyway |
| 01:45.44 | Hachiman | Dolphins 4 Life |
| 01:45.49 | Vincent20100 | ^agree with Hach |
| 01:46.24 | Monet_ | Wormy: What about tolerance of the intolerant? |
| 01:46.25 | Wormy | Being tolerant to utter irrational and violent intolerance is silly, but you see, to get to that point of reasoning can hardly be called lazy. On the other hand, being unopen to other cultures is lazy and static |
| 01:46.33 | Vincent20100 | Jews consider to have a nationnal common story related to ISreal and a common cultural heritage |
| 01:46.45 | DrodoEmpire | As I said; Mutual tolerance is good. |
| 01:46.46 | Wormy | Monet see the quote http://pastie.org/private/a9atd4pq9zuptxlj52lg |
| 01:46.53 | DrodoEmpire | Tolerance for the intolerance is ridiculous. |
| 01:46.58 | DrodoEmpire | *intolerant |
| 01:47.52 | Wormy | Western civilisation have come up with some interesting tools: tolerance, openness to other cultures, criticism, self-criticism, and creative freedoms unseen in the Middle Ages |
| 01:48.02 | Wormy | None of that is laziness |
| 01:48.19 | Vincent20100 | Now for the Lazyness thing what I meant is, most people declare themselves tolerant, not because they really are, but because they are too lazy to enter a real discussion on important subjects, such as politics, religions, ideologies etc. |
| 01:48.33 | Monet_ | We're going soft because of this idea that by not tolerating the actions of the intolerant, we're as bad as them. |
| 01:48.43 | DrodoEmpire | So what you mean to say is they are apathetic? |
| 01:48.54 | Vincent20100 | Yes |
| 01:49.01 | Wormy | Tolerance doesn't necessarily negate rational argument |
| 01:49.04 | DrodoEmpire | Now that I can agree with you on. |
| 01:49.10 | Vincent20100 | Good |
| 01:49.11 | DrodoEmpire | Its important to have an opinion |
| 01:49.15 | Wormy | I think we need to separate that |
| 01:49.20 | DrodoEmpire | But you must also be tolerant and mature |
| 01:50.10 | Vincent20100 | Yah |
| 01:50.36 | Wormy | Amnd btw, I'm an apathetic atheist, largely because I don't think we can disprove a philosophical god, though I personally don't see any reason into adhering to faith. |
| 01:51.02 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Upstarts/Invasion_of_Drenmarr#APR.2C_The_Lower_Province_Campaign_Pt.2 |
| 01:51.21 | Vincent20100 | I have changed the 2nd part of the Upstarts Wars. |
| 01:57.41 | Vincent20100 | ++ Monet |
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| 01:58.19 | MasterMachine | Hey all. |
| 01:58.27 | Vincent20100 | Hi Master |
| 01:58.27 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Upstarts/Invasion_of_Drenmarr#APR.2C_The_Lower_Province_Campaign_Pt.2 |
| 01:58.31 | Vincent20100 | HEre |
| 01:58.37 | Vincent20100 | 3 third battle donw |
| 01:58.39 | Vincent20100 | *done |
| 01:58.53 | MasterMachine | Vincent20100 sorry for not having a ton of additions there, I've been busy IRL recently. I'll add stuff tomorrow but its late and I've had a long day. |
| 01:59.05 | Vincent20100 | kk |
| 01:59.10 | Vincent20100 | Just take time to read |
| 01:59.12 | Vincent20100 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Upstarts/Invasion_of_Drenmarr#APR.2C_The_Lower_Province_Campaign_Pt.2 |
| 01:59.18 | MasterMachine | And I'll read that tomorrow as well :) |
| 01:59.21 | Vincent20100 | kk |
| 01:59.22 | MasterMachine | gtg again sorry |
| 01:59.32 | Wormy | bye |
| 02:00.08 | Vincent20100 | Gotta go too |
| 02:00.10 | Vincent20100 | ++ |
| 02:00.38 | Vincent20100 | If any of you are reading my page, please leave comments in the talk page. |
| 02:00.41 | Vincent20100 | ++ |
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| 02:14.07 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 02:14.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 02:25.20 | TekDroid | -.- It said my laptop was supposed to arrive today but it only reached the "local delivery facility" this evening. |
| 02:25.30 | DrodoEmpire | Ouch |
| 02:25.39 | TekDroid | This is the worst thing about online tracking. XD |
| 02:30.49 | DrodoEmpire | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3ARelica - Heheheh |
| 02:37.28 | DrodoEmpire | testy |
| 02:37.31 | DrodoEmpire | *test |
| 02:49.25 | TekDroid | pass |
| 02:52.01 | TekDroid | *belated pass |
| 02:52.04 | TekDroid | :P |
| 03:58.19 | TekDroid | ...odere. I just got offered to do the Ice Bucket Challenge. XD |
| 03:58.32 | Angrybirds_Away | I've been there. I just ignored it. xD |
| 03:58.57 | TekDroid | Well this is more my mom's saying let's do it. XD |
| 04:00.32 | Angrybirds_Away | That's not how it works. xD |
| 04:00.52 | TekDroid | Oh well. XD |
| 04:01.31 | TekDroid | brb. |
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| 09:30.27 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 10:15.11 | AdmiralPanda | hi Monet |
| 10:16.41 | Monet_ | I think i'll rework DI power armour. I'm really getting into the idea of smart materials |
| 10:24.37 | Monet_ | Specifically the possibility of making hard alloy plates flexible byusing a stimulus to switch its shape between two or more forms. |
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| 10:40.02 | drom | Hello. |
| 10:40.23 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 10:40.56 | drom | Sitting in a train. |
| 10:54.50 | drom | Damnit, AB's away. |
| 10:55.27 | drom | Angrybirds_Away: Do you mind that NC has a knock-off of your hammerheaded ship Cassiel-class? |
| 11:16.02 | drom | Somebody created a fiction with the name "God of Machines" |
| 11:16.13 | drom | This won't end well for him. |
| 11:23.00 | Monet_ | Maybe they keep it conceptual? |
| 11:24.08 | drom | Yeah. But still, for his sake, it's better that he changes the concept. |
| 11:24.18 | drom | Also, it's a tier 1.8 empire. |
| 11:25.28 | drom | Do I overuse "also"? |
| 11:26.02 | drom | Because I feel like that I use it like 30 times a day. |
| 11:29.26 | Monet_ | If you do it doesn't bother me |
| 11:30.29 | Monet_ | 1.3. But yeah, I'd say toning down is required |
| 11:32.17 | drom | Sometimes, I need to vary my English language. It can also provivde useful experience for my native language. |
| 11:34.27 | drom | Since this fiction is in it's grace period. We give him time to adapt to the gigaquadrants. |
| 11:38.22 | Monet_ | Agreed |
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| 11:42.27 | Wormy | hi |
| 11:44.05 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki_talk:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Warfare just my thoughts on this page |
| 11:44.53 | Monet_ | "encircling an opponent has proven effective for the numerically inferior force, as it forces the normally more numerous foe to fight with less available soldiers. " is that why Hollywood does it? |
| 11:45.23 | Monet_ | Or...wait... |
| 11:45.43 | Monet_ | Nevermind my comment |
| 11:45.43 | AdmiralPanda | That's why Rome did it |
| 11:46.00 | Monet_ | Rome also had the advantage of a disciplined arm |
| 11:46.03 | Monet_ | army* |
| 11:46.09 | AdmiralPanda | they did, which helped |
| 11:46.27 | AdmiralPanda | which also furthers my point that you can't just generalise it to needing 10 times as many soldiers as your enemy to make it work |
| 11:46.56 | AdmiralPanda | hell, the Roman Flank manoeuvre was (on the spot) created to allow the Legion to deal with a numerically superior force by encircling them |
| 11:47.55 | AdmiralPanda | either way I'd recommend you read the page itself, there's a bit too much concept and not to much reality in my opinion |
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| 11:50.08 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 11:50.54 | Technobliterator | yo |
| 11:51.03 | Monet_ | Hi |
| 11:51.13 | Monet_ | AdmiralPanda: It is still a work in progress. |
| 11:51.51 | AdmiralPanda | I recognise that, just saying that in its current condition it's trending more towards conjecture than information |
| 11:55.07 | Monet_ | Maybe, the glossary isn't perhaps the best place ot say -when- to use a tactic |
| 11:55.31 | AdmiralPanda | a tactic is a single action, they're in use 100% of the time |
| 11:55.36 | Monet_ | Although Drodo has always been strongl opposed to the idea that an encericled army is always doomed. |
| 11:56.10 | AdmiralPanda | an encircled army is at a disadvantage, but there are some formations that make use of this position |
| 11:56.18 | AdmiralPanda | and there are morale benefits to having no line of retreat |
| 11:56.33 | AdmiralPanda | what matters is if your army is disciplined and equipped sufficiently to deal with the encirclement |
| 11:57.06 | Wormy | The thing that I don't want to see on the page is one that mirrors real life perfectly. Use real life warfare as a model, but space warfare changes all the rules. One can also imagine even more alien environment, as will be witnessed in upcoming DCP-Dominatus battles. |
| 11:57.43 | Monet_ | Wormy: The page does make clear that the page is to be used as a guideline, not a hard-and-fast rulebook |
| 11:57.56 | Wormy | The assymetric warfare needs a section on what happens between a high SQ race and a low one |
| 11:58.24 | Wormy | Aye, but it needs to leave room for additional information and potential re-design. |
| 11:58.48 | AdmiralPanda | zI think a tactic list is unnecessary, because it will most likely just lead to cookie-cutters rather than actual thought |
| 11:58.56 | Wormy | I started the fic universe's physics page, in the end me and Ghel ended up changing it completely |
| 11:59.26 | Monet_ | I advise not leaving Drodo and AB alone in making this. |
| 11:59.39 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
| 11:59.48 | AdmiralPanda | If nobody minds, I'm going to add simple extermination to the list of reasons |
| 12:00.05 | AdmiralPanda | occasionally, people do fight wars simply because they want the other people to die |
| 12:00.08 | AdmiralPanda | anything else is a bonus |
| 12:00.12 | Wormy | They said they wanted to get it started, though *this is a wiki*, nobody owns a page |
| 12:00.46 | Monet_ | I don't see why the list of tactics has to be exterminated. Not everyone knows what flanking is |
| 12:00.55 | Wormy | Just be sure to state your reasons why on the talk page |
| 12:01.26 | Monet_ | Oh wait. I misread |
| 12:01.37 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: While this is true, my concern is people are going to disregard the disclaimer and think that those are the only tactics available |
| 12:01.51 | Wormy | Yeah, I misread too :P |
| 12:02.06 | Technobliterator | WormyThey said they wanted to get it started, though *this is a wiki*, nobody owns a page |
| 12:02.09 | Monet_ | Perhaps a more clearly-palced disclaimer is needed? |
| 12:02.13 | Technobliterator | Importantly, this is in the Project namespace |
| 12:02.26 | AdmiralPanda | after all, the Fordanta and DI use vastly different tactics and strategies |
| 12:02.33 | Technobliterator | the Project namespace needs the approval of everyone |
| 12:02.47 | Technobliterator | honestly, any namespace that's not User, Fiction, Creature etc has no owner |
| 12:03.06 | Monet_ | Yeah can I point out that only a smal lproportion of the core userbase is currently discussing this matter. |
| 12:03.18 | Monet_ | as in right now |
| 12:03.22 | Technobliterator | ? |
| 12:03.26 | Technobliterator | so? |
| 12:03.43 | Monet_ | [13:02] <@Technobliterator> the Project namespace needs the approval of everyone > and there's hardly anyone online to duscuss it |
| 12:03.48 | Wormy | War in the fiction universe could begin as a simple self-defense against an oblivious alien intelligence using their star system for its own purposes and now malice or understand involved |
| 12:03.50 | Technobliterator | and so what |
| 12:04.04 | Wormy | Liker when I burned the ant log by mistake |
| 12:04.06 | Technobliterator | Panda, make all the changes you like |
| 12:04.23 | Wormy | they bit all me all over but I was too humasn to understand |
| 12:04.39 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: Just like Ender's Game |
| 12:04.57 | Wormy | yeah, never seen it, but I guess so |
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| 12:05.22 | Sporeraptor | hi |
| 12:05.53 | Monet_ | My point is that there's only three people discussing what to add to the page and the people who started the project page are currently unavailable. |
| 12:06.18 | Monet_ | Not exactly a community-wide discussion |
| 12:06.51 | AdmiralPanda | disregard the movie, but one of the subplots of the book is that the alien hivemind actually doesn't realise that humans have individual will, and thinks it's just killing drones to show its dominance |
| 12:07.18 | Technobliterator | that doesn't mean no one can add to it |
| 12:07.19 | AdmiralPanda | it practically goes suicidal when it realises it's killed billions of individual intelligences |
| 12:08.29 | Monet_ | Technobliterator: True, I'm merely suggesting that really big addistions should be left to discuss when more people are available |
| 12:08.47 | Technobliterator | eh, sure, but that's what a talk page is for |
| 12:08.56 | Monet_ | There's enough lack of communication on this site as it is |
| 12:09.10 | AdmiralPanda | Thinking of changing this > While casus belli are varied, it is important that your war has a realistic reason, or else the reader may be entirely unimmersed. In all, most wars boil down to three things; |
| 12:09.18 | AdmiralPanda | to > When considering causes for war, remember that different races have different cultures, and these different cultures frequently lead to different motivations and desired outcomes for war. With this in mind, common causes are: |
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| 12:09.35 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 12:09.46 | AdmiralPanda | just so that it's made clear that people can think outside the human box |
| 12:10.14 | Monet_ | I think that can work |
| 12:10.40 | Technobliterator | I'd change the "Why Fight?" section header to something else |
| 12:10.50 | Technobliterator | I don't like questions as header titles |
| 12:11.07 | Monet_ | That's a personal opinion. |
| 12:11.21 | Technobliterator | questions as header titles are terrible |
| 12:11.24 | Monet_ | Although I question if "simple extermination" is worthy to be a common cause all on its own or if it comes under "ideology" |
| 12:11.46 | Technobliterator | rhetorical questions in general :| |
| 12:11.52 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: If we take the Fordan example, they're not exterminating you because of your ideology, they're exterminating you because they want you dead |
| 12:13.20 | Monet_ | Okay. Maybe we include "previous incidents"? |
| 12:13.32 | AdmiralPanda | As to the title, perhaps "Causes for War"? |
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| 12:14.15 | Catface | Shit be on fire, yo. |
| 12:14.24 | AdmiralPanda | pours a bucket of water on Catface |
| 12:14.42 | Monet_ | I think "why fight?" is a response to the "war for the sake of war" opinion being passed around. |
| 12:14.43 | Catface | enjoys every minute of it |
| 12:15.08 | Catface | How is everyone? |
| 12:15.17 | Monet_ | Fine |
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| 12:15.35 | Catface | Monet_: Do you like wasp/hornets? |
| 12:15.42 | Monet_ | Uhh, no? |
| 12:15.43 | Wormy | hi |
| 12:16.04 | Wormy | I love all of the Hymenoptera order! |
| 12:16.18 | Sporeraptor | hello |
| 12:16.35 | Monet_ | The current title is perhaps draw the reader via a less cookie-cutter introductory title. |
| 12:16.57 | Catface | Wormy Monet_: These little fucks were hanging outside the place I work yesterday. http://i.imgur.com/qffL5UU.jpg |
| 12:17.00 | Monet_ | And shed light on the notion that "war for the sake of war" is indeed crazy |
| 12:17.21 | Wormy | Well I would hardly call them little :P |
| 12:17.24 | Monet_ | and is rarely a proper reason for war |
| 12:18.32 | Monet_ | Actually come to think of it, bad as the title may be Techno, it *did* catch your eye |
| 12:18.47 | Monet_ | So even if its questionable, it works. |
| 12:19.32 | Catface | Wow! Ten weird facts that you never knew about puberty! |
| 12:19.40 | Catface | Is that a good article title? |
| 12:19.53 | AdmiralPanda | well, I made my change to the page, any comments welcome |
| 12:19.53 | Technobliterator | hi cat |
| 12:20.07 | Technobliterator | just change the title to "Causes of War" and it's fine |
| 12:20.20 | Wormy | so war = caused by teenage societies |
| 12:20.31 | Wormy | Or motives of war, even |
| 12:20.54 | Catface | I think most everyone is going to find reasons to kill one another. |
| 12:21.05 | Catface | Doesn't matter their age. |
| 12:21.07 | Catface | Wormy. |
| 12:21.28 | Wormy | Oh, I was aging societies as a whole |
| 12:21.39 | Technobliterator | questions as header titles look unprofessional, as well as just generally being obtrusive to the rest of the page, looking bad on the TOC, and very un-encyclopedia-like |
| 12:21.39 | Catface | That is quite rude. |
| 12:22.25 | Wormy | I am rude and that is quite! |
| 12:22.51 | Monet_ | Technobliterator: Depends on the topic I say. Does "what is X?" go in the same pile? |
| 12:23.01 | Technobliterator | yes |
| 12:23.16 | Monet_ | And yet even big companies use them |
| 12:23.16 | Technobliterator | "Overview" makes infinitely more sense |
| 12:23.32 | Technobliterator | big companies use rhetorical questions in advertising campaigns |
| 12:23.40 | Technobliterator | this is not an advertising campaign |
| 12:23.43 | Technobliterator | this is an encyclopedia |
| 12:23.51 | Monet_ | It is raising awareness though |
| 12:24.13 | Wormy | I agree, a rhetorical question looks out of place on the flow of the wiki |
| 12:24.15 | Monet_ | In this case, awareness for how to perhaps properly conduct a war. |
| 12:24.40 | Wormy | It is possible though, that Drodo wrote it only to get past sections quickly and straight on to text |
| 12:24.40 | Technobliterator | it raises no awareness, it just looks obtrusive |
| 12:24.52 | Technobliterator | "Causes of War" makes more sense with no obtrusion and does the same job |
| 12:25.10 | Monet_ | Wormy: He was only able to start it yes so it is possible. |
| 12:26.31 | Technobliterator | it's probably the reason why |
| 12:26.39 | Technobliterator | either way i'll bring it up when he's on |
| 12:26.49 | Catface | Who remembers whenever Littlefoot's mom died? |
| 12:27.38 | Wormy | I do sadly |
| 12:27.45 | Monet_ | Actually I think I might drop my argument. With more users I can see this potentially turning into "this is a wiki" vs. "this page's intention is to enlighten and dispel fallacies" |
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| 12:28.23 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:28.25 | AdmiralPanda | hai bunima |
| 12:28.26 | Monet_ | Andit might kick off more of the arguments that happened recently. |
| 12:28.27 | Monet_ | Hi |
| 12:28.28 | AdmiralPanda | buniman |
| 12:28.33 | Wormy | hi |
| 12:28.37 | Hachiman | What's happenin? |
| 12:28.45 | AdmiralPanda | talkin about a page |
| 12:28.53 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Warfare this page |
| 12:29.00 | Hachiman | Why would this Warfare page cause arguments? |
| 12:29.16 | Wormy | Catface: Or when Dumbo got separated from his mother |
| 12:29.30 | AdmiralPanda | Techno says having "Why Fight?" as a header is unprofessional, Monet says it did a good job of making the section stand out, stuff ensues |
| 12:29.40 | Technobliterator | that is not an argument |
| 12:29.42 | AdmiralPanda | that's the gist of it |
| 12:29.45 | Technobliterator | that is a discussion |
| 12:29.58 | AdmiralPanda | yeah, Monet said he'd drop the topic before it came to an argument |
| 12:30.00 | Technobliterator | but yes, it is unprofessional, obtrusive and unfitting |
| 12:30.06 | Technobliterator | oh, ok |
| 12:30.15 | Technobliterator | sure I'll drop it then |
| 12:30.26 | Hachiman | I personally agree with Jo but that's just my two cents |
| 12:30.46 | Technobliterator | eh |
| 12:30.54 | Technobliterator | best to bring it up on the talk page or later anyway |
| 12:30.59 | Hachiman | Yeah |
| 12:31.02 | Catface | Hachiman: I blame you for Littlefoot's death. |
| 12:31.09 | Catface | *Littlefoot's mother |
| 12:31.23 | Hachiman | Do I look like a dinosaur to you |
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| 12:32.16 | Catface | Yes. |
| 12:33.40 | Wormy | Those evil little mammal runts help kill off the dinos |
| 12:34.45 | Monet_ | I don't know if we can accurately portray what space warfare really could be like especially overp lanets |
| 12:35.53 | Wormy | :'( baw I watched that secene again |
| 12:36.27 | Wormy | We can, using physics |
| 12:36.30 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: We can once we view it as 3D combat without the influence of gravity. It becomes quite easy at that point |
| 12:36.37 | AdmiralPanda | no physics involved, sorry Wormy :P |
| 12:37.06 | Wormy | Its actually a 6 dimensional phase space of positetional and velocity, with gravity altering trajectories |
| 12:37.16 | AdmiralPanda | more accurately, no physics necessary |
| 12:37.33 | Catface | For me. |
| 12:37.42 | Wormy | And a dimension of relativistic physics like time dilation and length contraction |
| 12:37.47 | Monet_ | For instance, In order to move away from the planet, one of the primary manouvres used by present-day rockets is to burn your thrusters parallel and towards your direction of orbit on one side of thep lanet ,then do the same on the other side of the planet. |
| 12:37.58 | Catface | Space battles should be, like, a six ring gangbang circus. |
| 12:38.03 | Wormy | But they make it spicy Panda :P |
| 12:38.18 | Hachiman | Let's not forget militarizing FTL |
| 12:38.33 | Hachiman | And integrating FTL into combat tactics |
| 12:38.37 | Wormy | Thats easily dozens of dimensions! |
| 12:38.43 | Monet_ | And to "descend", one has to burn their fuel away from the direction they're travelling |
| 12:39.03 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: To some, to others it just makes it confusing |
| 12:39.12 | Catface | ^ |
| 12:39.28 | Wormy | I can't help but add a short paragraph |
| 12:39.53 | AdmiralPanda | of course, I'm not saying we should discount the science completely, but not everyone here is as interested in theoretical physics as you are :P |
| 12:39.56 | Monet_ | In interplanetary/interstellar locations, I can see combat lookign like an arial encounter with airborne aircraft carriers atthe back. |
| 12:41.05 | Monet_ | So I'd say our biggest obstacle of "realistic" space combat is in regards to planetary environemnts. |
| 12:41.10 | Wormy | Its not physics, it could be written as speculative sci-fi with underlying principles we don't have to explain |
| 12:41.25 | AdmiralPanda | Wormy: You literally just called it physics at the start of the discussion |
| 12:41.27 | Monet_ | Also I stand by the belief that some spaceships are just too big to manage descending into an atmosphere. |
| 12:41.35 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: Some are |
| 12:42.03 | Wormy | I didn't mean using physics in its own language |
| 12:42.33 | Monet_ | I don't think any of my ITN vessels beyond cruiser size can manage keeping aloft in a planetary atmosphere. |
| 12:42.36 | Wormy | I just meant a description or explanation of what happens when a ship weapons are fired to and from a massibe body |
| 12:42.45 | AdmiralPanda | oh right |
| 12:42.46 | Monet_ | or beyond frigate size for that matter |
| 12:43.05 | AdmiralPanda | I just get paranoid around you because I know you're really into that stuff :P (that wasn't meant to be offensive, just so we're clear) |
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| 12:43.17 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 12:43.20 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 12:43.57 | Wormy | Nah, I know technicality is boring, I find physics textbooks boring and I don't wish to turn the wiki into one |
| 12:43.57 | Monet_ | The main proble mwith staying aloft in an atmosphere is you're battling both gravity and drag. |
| 12:44.48 | Wormy | Panda: Like how this article is done but even simpler or smaller http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4b3bde6666f25 |
| 12:45.08 | AdmiralPanda | as a grassroots, we should make it clear that being a 3D combat environment, ships don't necessarily have to fight like naval vessels do- all the same way up |
| 12:46.57 | Vincent20100_ | Back |
| 12:47.05 | Monet_ | I recall spaceships in star wars (especially the massive Star Destroyers) because the Repulsorlift sticks as big a middle finger at all the difficulty with ascending into an atmosphere with a jet-powered brick as Star Trek's Heisenberg Compensator does with finding the exact location of atoms for teleportation. |
| 12:47.25 | Monet_ | "it just does" |
| 12:48.07 | AdmiralPanda | personally, the shipping in my fiction never enter atmosphere unless that is their express purpose |
| 12:48.22 | Vincent20100_ | ^ |
| 12:48.54 | Vincent20100_ | Orbital bombardment FTW |
| 12:49.59 | AdmiralPanda | but anyway, aside from the 3D nature of space, we should make mention that detection is by electronic means rather than visual confirmation, and that the distances involved are utterly ludicrous to think of in normal terms |
| 12:50.10 | Monet_ | Agreed. |
| 12:50.50 | AdmiralPanda | Battlefleet Gothic makes a good point of this in its rules stating "Simply moving your miniature into base contact with another miniature isn't enough to symbolise a ramming motion. Because the board is a 2-d environment it's easy to think of it as a flat plane, |
| 12:51.05 | Wormy | I imagine its only 3D in close encounters, the dimensions will increase with distance and velocity, gravity and velocity, and finally, FTL warfare |
| 12:51.08 | AdmiralPanda | but in reality two ships at teh same point on that plane could be tens or hundreds of kilometres apart, and not even able to see each other" |
| 12:51.14 | Monet_ | I was going to mention that but I veered into a rant about how a Star Destroyer probably couldn't actially descend into an atmosphere *and* ascend back up again witho ut some kind of magitech |
| 12:53.03 | Monet_ | Preference to detection by electronic means is what makes it so viable to stick a ship's control room in the hull of the ship and NOT - as most pulp science fiction appears to show - on a conning tower with a lovely panoramic glass window |
| 12:53.50 | Monet_ | I hold onto the belief that a conning tower on a space-based warship only makes the entire thing more vunerable |
| 12:54.17 | Wormy | its because they are based on WWII vessels |
| 12:54.23 | Wormy | or earlier... |
| 12:54.47 | Monet_ | Pulp science fiction and nostalgia turns up a lot |
| 12:54.52 | Monet_ | together |
| 12:55.19 | AdmiralPanda | That's something we could make as a part of a general ship guide, but I don't think it's that much of a thing to put into a warfare page |
| 12:56.19 | Monet_ | For instance the only thing that I think makes TIE's so dangerous is the Empire launches so freakin' many of them. Realistically their plan is to send so many that the enemy runs otu of missiles to fire at them |
| 12:57.02 | Monet_ | That and so few factions in star wars canon actually use missiles during firefights. |
| 12:58.40 | Wormy | Reading this on war now http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/21.4.3.htm |
| 12:58.44 | Monet_ | The digfights of Episodes 4 and 6 were a hark back to the days when the primary way to down a plain in air-to-air battles was to line up the enemy in your corsshairs and shred him with machinegun fire |
| 12:58.55 | Wormy | Beings having genetic sentience have no concept of the self and thus no empathy for the pain and suffering of others. Genetic warriors should be the most ruthless and persistent, each individual driven on by the community urge with no thought of self-preservation. Similarly, communal sentients should be highly pacific among themselves but instantly reactive to any threat to the community at large. Personal sacrifice may be moderate |
| 12:58.59 | AdmiralPanda | so few use missiles because blasters are so ubiquitous |
| 12:59.12 | Wormy | ut war will be perceived more as a match between two social organisms rather than as a contest between individual combatants. Patriotism may serve as a primary emotion rather than a vague ethical ideal, so communal soldiers may fight with a unity of purpose unparalleled in all of human experience. Finally, brain sentients such as human beings will fear for the integrity of the self without the matching support of a visceral sense o |
| 12:59.21 | Wormy | them to be among the poorest warriors in the Galaxy. |
| 13:00.49 | Monet_ | I think your message was cut short a few times |
| 13:01.19 | Wormy | http://pastie.org/private/ceubwo4vsdgfbacbtst1w |
| 13:01.36 | Wormy | its from xeno.info |
| 13:01.59 | Monet_ | But yeah, I am reminded of the stories of veteran soldiers wo have been so mentally damaged from killing human beings with little survivalist cause for so long that killing is the interaction they only really know. |
| 13:06.02 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman Updating Hachiman's history as well as tidying his sections |
| 13:06.10 | Hachiman | He's also gotta new look if you didn't see |
| 13:07.56 | Monet_ | Plasma in the eye....damn! |
| 13:08.47 | Monet_ | To get that and not collapse into a crying heap takes some serious determination. |
| 13:09.34 | Hachiman | To be fair it was either collapse into a crying heap or get killed by mercenaries |
| 13:09.38 | Wormy | He could still be born on Earth, while it was abandoned its possible the Yamato put a sdcret facilicity on it |
| 13:10.01 | Monet_ | HAchiman: Adrenalin is one hell of a drug |
| 13:12.52 | Wormy | Right, bbl |
| 13:14.40 | Monet_ | Trying to recall since it could be included in the history, it was after he Killed Marigrax that he moved in with Sarec wasn't it? |
| 13:14.47 | Hachiman | Think so yeah |
| 13:14.56 | Hachiman | Also I just realized the other day that the quote from 'Unknown' on the top of the page is a haiku |
| 13:15.53 | Monet_ | Yeah I remember now. He defeated Marigrax, Thea said that hsi mission in Borealis was complete but he wanted to stay on and Sarec volunteered to be his guardian. |
| 13:17.26 | Hachiman | I'm wondering how old Hachi would be now |
| 13:19.34 | Hachiman | If I remember correctly it's the 2790s isn't it? |
| 13:20.17 | Monet_ | 2800s |
| 13:20.25 | Hachiman | Geezush |
| 13:20.57 | Monet_ | Time flies |
| 13:21.11 | Hachiman | So presumably Hachi is around 18 to 20 years old |
| 13:21.31 | Monet_ | Over 20 I think, if he's older than Kez. |
| 13:21.50 | Vincent20100_ | Hachi isn't old. Hachi is like Kane, he is immortal! |
| 13:22.00 | Vincent20100_ | Kane/Hachi shall live! |
| 13:22.35 | Vincent20100_ | #cnc |
| 13:22.40 | Hachiman | Funny thing is Hachi is pretty much prophecized to become immortal |
| 13:22.41 | Hachiman | He gets to become a god in future which will inevitably lead to abuse hur |
| 13:23.05 | Monet_ | Hachi - My life's goal is to get even more pussy than Zeus |
| 13:23.22 | Vincent20100_ | lol |
| 13:23.30 | Hachiman | And Hachi doesn't need to become a swan to do it |
| 13:23.35 | Vincent20100_ | You know, Zeus is fucking with his own mother and sisters, right? |
| 13:24.02 | Monet_ | Thanks to Panda I have worked out that ALessa might in fact be a fun-size Draconis. |
| 13:24.29 | Monet_ | Her retconned height is something like 2.2-2.3m |
| 13:25.43 | Hachiman | Fun-sized |
| 13:25.47 | Hachiman | aka bangable hur |
| 13:26.48 | TekDroid | That height is still over a foot taller than me, and I'm over 6'. XD Damn massive Draconis. |
| 13:27.28 | Monet_ | Looking at my chart Draocnis literally shoot upwards for the first 70 years of their life. |
| 13:28.00 | Vincent20100_ | You would really bang a dragoon?! |
| 13:28.01 | Monet_ | They reach about human height in about 40 years |
| 13:28.40 | TekDroid | So at the same age humans are actually taller? |
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| 13:28.55 | TekDroid | For >40 at least. |
| 13:28.59 | Vincent20100_ | Hi Spore |
| 13:29.02 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 13:29.08 | Monet_ | Yeah. COmapratively they age slower than us |
| 13:29.24 | Hachiman | But they also live much longer |
| 13:29.31 | AdmiralPanda | Fordanta on the other hand make humans look like they grow at a snail's pace |
| 13:29.34 | Monet_ | Much much longer |
| 13:29.48 | AdmiralPanda | nearly three metres in five years for most bloodlines |
| 13:30.18 | Monet_ | That's one rapid metabolism |
| 13:30.28 | TekDroid | ^ |
| 13:30.48 | AdmiralPanda | they do eat like Sayans, so that's one thing |
| 13:31.15 | Monet_ | Wait wouldn't hat mean that you could actually see them growing over the course of a day? |
| 13:31.33 | TekDroid | I guess Fordanta violence comes from destroying tables of food in childhood. :P |
| 13:31.41 | AdmiralPanda | more accurately they'd be taller when they wake up than when they went to sleep |
| 13:31.52 | AdmiralPanda | during the day their energy is spent being active, at night it's spent growing |
| 13:32.45 | Monet_ | I can vaguely imagine it now that when Hel' was growing up his parents would mark his height on a wall in weekly, not annual isntalmants. |
| 13:34.31 | Monet_ | I guess its good that fauna on Forda were so big. |
| 13:35.12 | Monet_ | Lots of meat for growing boys. |
| 13:36.27 | Hachiman | Sarec - aye |
| 13:36.45 | Monet_ | And a thought just hit me. If they eat tons of meat everyday, more than what we can, I don't want to stand downwind of one when he or she cuts the cheese |
| 13:36.59 | Vincent20100_ | EW! |
| 13:37.02 | Vincent20100_ | Meat! |
| 13:37.08 | Vincent20100_ | Meat is murder! |
| 13:37.19 | Hachiman | I share similar thoughts on elephants |
| 13:37.24 | Hachiman | And cows |
| 13:37.35 | Hachiman | Cows do nothingbut literally eat, shit and fart all day |
| 13:37.50 | Vincent20100_ | Like most animals |
| 13:37.50 | Monet_ | And elephants have rather poor digestive systems |
| 13:38.39 | Hachiman | Vincent20100_: Lots of smaller animals actually play with one another and enjoy playfighting and other physical activities |
| 13:38.41 | Hachiman | Cows do jack shit |
| 13:38.45 | Monet_ | I'm serious, on these animal shows I have seen keepers break apart elephant poo to reveal fairly-intact chunks of carrot and leuttece leaf. |
| 13:38.53 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 13:38.54 | Vincent20100_ | lol |
| 13:39.01 | Hachiman | That's why monkeys eat their poo again |
| 13:39.13 | Vincent20100_ | Dogs too |
| 13:39.21 | Vincent20100_ | And bunnies too eat their own shits |
| 13:39.52 | Monet_ | I think herbivore poo is fairly clean. |
| 13:39.54 | TekDroid | ...how did we get to this topic? O.o |
| 13:40.20 | Vincent20100_ | What do we say to a dog eating his shit in winter? |
| 13:40.32 | Vincent20100_ | Stop eating fudge-icles! |
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| 13:40.43 | theshitposter | Hai |
| 13:40.45 | TekDroid | ...and this is just as I started eating breakfast. -.- |
| 13:40.46 | Sporeraptor_ | hi |
| 13:41.01 | Monet_ | TekDroid: Because I figured that if Fordanta eat truckoads of meat regularly then they must be generating a lot of gas |
| 13:41.07 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: I tend to think of the Fordanta more as constantly snacking. Also keep in mind this is only during their youth |
| 13:41.17 | AdmiralPanda | once they reach about five or six they don't need to eat as much |
| 13:41.34 | theshitposter | This seems saferu to me. |
| 13:41.43 | Hachiman | Considering that the Zazane have a biological preference for raw meat and that their urine and defication processes share the same track |
| 13:41.47 | Vincent20100_ | I hate carnivorous speicies. I mean, how can you sustain a high population cap with that kind of diet?! |
| 13:41.58 | TekDroid | easily. |
| 13:42.07 | Hachiman | Vincent20100_: By not eating the rest of your race :p |
| 13:42.20 | Hachiman | Or over-eating |
| 13:42.21 | Sporeraptor_ | easily. Eat herbivores and other carnivores |
| 13:42.28 | Vincent20100_ | Yah, but meat is so much an energetic hole |
| 13:42.45 | Vincent20100_ | It is way more efficient to be herbivore |
| 13:42.54 | Hachiman | Umm |
| 13:42.57 | Monet_ | Welll... |
| 13:42.59 | Sporeraptor_ | ? Meat is far more energy efficient than plants |
| 13:43.00 | TekDroid | Well you got artificial substitutes and replicators. |
| 13:43.13 | Vincent20100_ | YEs, but meat is far mure energy wasting while growing |
| 13:43.30 | Hachiman | It's far more efficient to be an omnivore like us and other primate species really |
| 13:43.45 | Vincent20100_ | Yah, because it is adaptable. |
| 13:44.03 | Monet_ | Meat contains a lot of protein. Something that our brains needed to develop |
| 13:44.04 | drom | Omnivores are the best kind of "-vore". |
| 13:44.14 | TekDroid | I believe part of the reason humans became omnivores was because neat had a better energy density or something like that. |
| 13:44.17 | Vincent20100_ | FOr the smae amount of food calories, plants consome a third of the ressource the meat process consume |
| 13:44.37 | Monet_ | Notice how in the wild herbivores like cows tend to stand around eating gras all day while carnivores do things like play-fighting. |
| 13:44.44 | Vincent20100_ | ANd plant also contains all the proteins our brain would need |
| 13:45.00 | Hachiman | They really don't |
| 13:45.06 | Sporeraptor_ | Nope, they don't |
| 13:45.07 | Hachiman | You'd have to eat a fuck ton of plants |
| 13:45.15 | drom | Name one protein? |
| 13:45.22 | Vincent20100_ | Soya contain protein |
| 13:45.26 | Vincent20100_ | Wheat too |
| 13:45.26 | TekDroid | If plants had everything we wouldn't have become omnivores in the first place. |
| 13:45.45 | Hachiman | Humans who consume meat regularly are shown to be much more healthy than humans who eat solely vegetable matter |
| 13:45.53 | Vincent20100_ | We became omnivore because primitive humans started to eat abandonned corpses |
| 13:46.02 | Vincent20100_ | That's false Haci |
| 13:46.14 | drom | Because meat also contains different kinds of fat. |
| 13:46.23 | drom | Look at the fishes' Omega-3 |
| 13:46.26 | Vincent20100_ | Studies have show sole plants consumption is way better for the organism |
| 13:46.34 | Hachiman | That's bullshit |
| 13:46.43 | drom | It's shown to be healthy for our brain. |
| 13:46.55 | Sporeraptor_ | For a herbivore maybe, not for an ominvore |
| 13:47.01 | Hachiman | If it was better we wouldn't be adapted to eat meat |
| 13:47.07 | Monet_ | Hachiman: The biggest issue with eating meat is the buildup of toxins. |
| 13:47.13 | Vincent20100_ | Several genius in history, like newton, were vegetarian |
| 13:47.19 | Hachiman | Um |
| 13:47.24 | Hachiman | Vegetarians eat meats still |
| 13:47.39 | Vincent20100_ | *vegetalian |
| 13:47.46 | drom | Gelatin? |
| 13:48.00 | Hachiman | They consume calcium from stuff like milk, gelatin, etc |
| 13:48.07 | TekDroid | If eating plants was better then nothing would have needed to evolve to eat meat. |
| 13:48.33 | Vincent20100_ | Yes Tek. in the primitive world, meat was a good source of energ, as said befopre |
| 13:48.49 | Hachiman | Vegetarians also eat eggs which contain high amounts of protein |
| 13:48.50 | Vincent20100_ | But now, in a developped society, it is no onger necesary |
| 13:48.55 | Monet_ | Plants have a very small amount of toxin in their cells as a preventative to being eaten. Which stays in the body. As you go up the food chain the level of toxin in the animal increases due to the culmulative effect of animals eating lots of smaller animals that have oxins in their bodies. |
| 13:49.03 | drom | Carnivores were created to thin down the herbivores. Or the flora would been good as exicint. |
| 13:49.25 | Vincent20100_ | All that is usefull, but only in primitive worlds |
| 13:49.28 | Hachiman | drom: "Created" |
| 13:49.42 | Vincent20100_ | In a new Anthropocentric world, meat consumptions is no longer needed |
| 13:49.51 | Hachiman | That's a crock of shit |
| 13:50.02 | Vincent20100_ | This whole meat thing is shit |
| 13:50.18 | Hachiman | Meat is totally necessary in modern diets |
| 13:50.24 | drom | Hachiman: I wish I could find a better word for that. But still, they are here to thin down the rapidly-growing herbivores. |
| 13:50.38 | Sporeraptor_ | Say "evolved" |
| 13:50.39 | Hachiman | drom: Think you mean that they fill a niche |
| 13:50.43 | Hachiman | So "evolved" |
| 13:50.45 | Vincent20100_ | Absulutly not., there is plants substitutes for everything, from proteins to calories |
| 13:51.09 | Vincent20100_ | Drom : you are right, but that is no longer required |
| 13:51.22 | drom | Why? |
| 13:51.34 | Vincent20100_ | BEcause human are killing way to fast |
| 13:51.40 | Sporeraptor_ | What are you atlkinga bout. Sure, carnivores ares till needed, otheriwse you would wreck all ecosystems. |
| 13:51.42 | Hachiman | -_- |
| 13:51.54 | Vincent20100_ | And the world right now is no longer the same as 10 millions years ago |
| 13:52.02 | drom | Vincent20100: Look back when the humans didn't exist. |
| 13:52.03 | Sporeraptor_ | Humans are destroying ecosystems, not precise aniamls. |
| 13:52.11 | Sporeraptor_ | *aniamls |
| 13:52.11 | drom | Or as primitives. |
| 13:52.22 | Vincent20100_ | Yes drom, they were needed, in primitives world |
| 13:52.24 | Hachiman | Ecosystems have been destroyed thousands of times over the course of history, even before humans |
| 13:52.27 | TekDroid | Sporerapor_: We would seem to be discussing vegetarians. |
| 13:52.29 | Vincent20100_ | But now, the world as changed |
| 13:52.30 | Hachiman | Continental shifts and mass extinctions |
| 13:52.46 | Vincent20100_ | It is time, for a New WOrld |
| 13:52.54 | TekDroid | *Sporeraptor_ |
| 13:52.55 | Vincent20100_ | A Anthropo-world |
| 13:53.26 | Hachiman | You know it's because of the meat industry that certain species aren't extinct |
| 13:53.27 | Sporeraptor_ | Yes, but from what I take from the conversation is that Vincent thinks taht carnivores in general should be erased. |
| 13:53.41 | Vincent20100_ | No Spore |
| 13:53.54 | drom | Muh fats |
| 13:54.14 | Hachiman | Cows and pigs are never going to go extinct because they have been farmed so efficiently |
| 13:54.15 | Vincent20100_ | WHat I said is first, meat diet is now no longer required and 2nd, that now the world is way more different that millions of years ago |
| 13:55.00 | Vincent20100_ | We as human, have to capacity to make this world really, Out |
| 13:55.04 | Vincent20100_ | *Our |
| 13:55.13 | Hachiman | The world is ours, what are you talking about |
| 13:55.35 | Vincent20100_ | We have the power to change it, deeply |
| 13:55.41 | Vincent20100_ | Let's do it |
| 13:55.42 | AdmiralPanda | we already have |
| 13:55.49 | Vincent20100_ | Even more then! |
| 13:55.52 | Sporeraptor_ | To fuck it up, yes. |
| 13:55.56 | Hachiman | The world hasn't been the same until humans arrived, you know that right |
| 13:56.00 | Vincent20100_ | Spore, that is a risk, ues |
| 13:56.08 | Hachiman | The world's been constantly changing |
| 13:56.13 | Hachiman | Even before humans |
| 13:56.18 | Vincent20100_ | Yes, and now, it is Our time |
| 13:56.19 | drom | You can't change the fauna that have adapted to the human's creations and biproducts. |
| 13:56.31 | AdmiralPanda | I've been having a hard time trying to figure out what the cohesive focus of this whole discussion is |
| 13:56.31 | drom | Aka, the cockroaches, rats and crows. |
| 13:56.38 | Monet_ | The meat industry has in fact introduced animals to new environemnts both in a good and bad way. |
| 13:56.57 | Hachiman | Vincent I think you're too caught up in some NWO bullshit right now to make a cohesive argument |
| 13:57.04 | Vincent20100_ | YEs, but now, it is time, to completly reconfigure the environment, to Our choices |
| 13:57.12 | TekDroid | AdmiralPanda: You're not the only one |
| 13:57.24 | Vincent20100_ | Hachi, human populations are exploding |
| 13:57.26 | AdmiralPanda | Vincent, that's exactly what we've been doing ever since we founded the first city |
| 13:57.29 | Monet_ | God for example is cattle are everywhere and there are wild boar in America, Austrailia and the UK because we keep animals for farming purposes |
| 13:57.45 | Monet_ | Good* |
| 13:58.17 | Vincent20100_ | Hachi, drop the hamburger from your mouth for 2 sec. |
| 13:58.20 | AdmiralPanda | You're not going to get anywhere here unless you actually have a cohesive point to discuss, just spouting whatever's at the top of your head won't achieve anything |
| 13:58.27 | Vincent20100_ | And think about alternatives |
| 13:58.34 | AdmiralPanda | and don't pick a fight with Hachi, that just ends badly for everyone |
| 13:58.37 | Hachiman | Fuck alternatives, I'll eat what I want to eat |
| 13:58.53 | Vincent20100_ | You can |
| 13:58.54 | Monet_ | Plus; predator traits are what made humans what they are. |
| 13:59.02 | Vincent20100_ | But it is people like you who are fucking the world up |
| 13:59.13 | Hachiman | Listen here you undereducated scum |
| 13:59.23 | Monet_ | Vincent20100: We've all been around long enough to knwo that arguing with Hachi is suicide |
| 13:59.26 | AdmiralPanda | ok will both of you shut the fuck up? this is getting nowhere |
| 13:59.30 | Vincent20100_ | I actually have 4 diplomas in my pocket |
| 13:59.32 | Monet_ | And you jsut set him off |
| 13:59.40 | Vincent20100_ | Ok monet |
| 13:59.57 | drom | Children are notoriously bad eaters. It's beacuse they need the proteins and fats from the meat we eat. |
| 13:59.58 | Vincent20100_ | will listen to Monet |
| 14:00.35 | Vincent20100_ | Drom, some childrens were actually (with cohercisives parents) eating on a plant diet, and they were in perfect shapes |
| 14:00.47 | Monet_ | Human society has developed to the state it is a good deal to due to how we evoled as paredators. |
| 14:01.08 | Vincent20100_ | Children don't eat shits becuase they really need it. I think they eat it because they like it |
| 14:01.18 | Vincent20100_ | aka Mcdonalds |
| 14:01.22 | Monet_ | Vincent20100_: Do you have any pets? |
| 14:01.28 | Vincent20100_ | Yes |
| 14:01.36 | Monet_ | What do you have? |
| 14:01.42 | Vincent20100_ | Cat and dogs |
| 14:02.13 | Vincent20100_ | But none of them live outside |
| 14:02.13 | Monet_ | And if the meat industry was abolished what happens to them? |
| 14:02.28 | Vincent20100_ | They would no longer be fed I guess |
| 14:02.50 | drom | So, what's their next diet? Cannibalism? |
| 14:02.54 | AdmiralPanda | ok guys, I actually have a point to make for a moment |
| 14:03.03 | AdmiralPanda | so shush down a little, I'ma drop some science on y'all |
| 14:03.11 | Monet_ | Okay |
| 14:03.30 | drom | Yay for science! |
| 14:03.36 | AdmiralPanda | about three steps down our evolutionary line, we have our ancestors Homo Erectus (cue giggles) |
| 14:03.47 | AdmiralPanda | now Erectus split into two paths, largely determined by diet |
| 14:04.00 | Vincent20100_ | Well, domestic animals will have to be abandonned, I guess. It is a scarifice to do |
| 14:04.18 | Vincent20100_ | *sacrifice |
| 14:04.23 | AdmiralPanda | correction, not H. erectus, A. aferensis |
| 14:04.49 | Monet_ | I think I see where this is going |
| 14:04.49 | Vincent20100_ | Wasn't aferentis only confined on small islands? |
| 14:04.57 | AdmiralPanda | one path, which evolved coinciding with an omnivorous diet, eventually developed into the Homo tree |
| 14:05.04 | AdmiralPanda | characterised by higher brain development |
| 14:05.04 | Vincent20100_ | Ho sorry, it was homo florentis, my bad |
| 14:05.20 | TekDroid | Let Panda finish. |
| 14:05.35 | AdmiralPanda | the other path, evolving coinciding with a largely plants and nuts based diet, did not develop along such lines |
| 14:06.19 | AdmiralPanda | the australopithicus line ended two evolutionary steps later, currently believed to be the result of a mixture of climate change and inability to formulate new solutions |
| 14:06.48 | Monet_ | Carnivores tend ot be more adaptive animals than herbivores if I recall. |
| 14:07.08 | Hachiman | So it's basically evolutionarily healthier to be a Jack-of-all-trades than a specialist |
| 14:07.15 | AdmiralPanda | the Homo line on the other hand, was able to readily adapt to changing dietary conditions, and develop social structures capable of handling illnesses that would normally be fatal, even as early as the Homo ergaster line, which is about the same period as A. boisei |
| 14:07.49 | AdmiralPanda | IN OTHER WORDS, there is evolutionary proof that, for the species as a whole, a diet including meat is superior to human development than a diet which replaces meat with nuts |
| 14:07.50 | Vincent20100_ | Hachi, economic studies have that specialisation is the key for evolution |
| 14:08.16 | Vincent20100_ | Yes Admiral. but that is only good with natural selections |
| 14:08.21 | Monet_ | Specialisation is good for inserting oneself into a niche |
| 14:08.22 | AdmiralPanda | now that that has been cleared up, we can all shut up and talk about the wiki |
| 14:08.29 | Vincent20100_ | NS is no longer a real thing among human |
| 14:09.03 | Vincent20100_ | Human evolve rather with adaptation than selection |
| 14:09.04 | Monet_ | OKay I see where this is going. |
| 14:09.07 | Vincent20100_ | Since the first is faster |
| 14:09.34 | AdmiralPanda | Vincent, I'm going to tell you this: that sentence proved you don't know what you're talking about. Drop the topic, and leave us in peace. |
| 14:09.50 | AdmiralPanda | none of us want to be having this conversation, you're ramming it down our throats |
| 14:10.00 | AdmiralPanda | so for your own sake, and the sake of everyone else here, stop. talking. |
| 14:10.05 | drom | AdmiralPanda: Can I may add that the ancenstors also realied on cannibalism? But when they stopped with it, the line became more advancded and superior. |
| 14:10.08 | Vincent20100_ | In primitive time of australopithecus, meat was necessary, true |
| 14:10.42 | Vincent20100_ | But now, it is no longer necessary, plant menues are varied now and are sufficient now. |
| 14:10.51 | AdmiralPanda | drom: I'm not aware of cannibalism being used as a default reliance for nutrition, if you can link me to evidence I'd be very interested |
| 14:10.56 | Monet_ | Even in this modern world it is better to be adaptive than selective. Those who are selective are often less receptive to change. Ergo it is better to be adaptable which is a trait most succesful carnivores need to develop and herbivores don't. |
| 14:11.21 | Vincent20100_ | I agree Monet |
| 14:11.32 | Vincent20100_ | And I'm willing to close it on Monet's statement |
| 14:12.05 | Monet_ | I guess that's good news for all |
| 14:12.39 | drom | AdmiralPanda: I read it from a science magazine. The ancestors were the eretcus or the other [exicint] ones that were dumber than us, Sapiens. But I think that I can find a good source on that. |
| 14:13.24 | Vincent20100_ | I also read Homo Neandertalis was actually even more intelligne than Homo Sapiens if I remember |
| 14:13.25 | drom | To avoid literal confusion, US as in Sapiens. |
| 14:13.40 | Vincent20100_ | search for sources |
| 14:13.49 | Hachiman | I wonder how global culture would have developed if the Neanderthals and other ape-men cultures stuck around |
| 14:14.00 | Sporeraptor_ | It got a bigger brain, but that doesn't mean it was neccessarily smarter |
| 14:14.23 | Hachiman | Probably not much different but it's an interesting thought nonetheless |
| 14:14.26 | Vincent20100_ | Yah, but usually it is generally accepted that bigger brain = better intelligence |
| 14:14.49 | Monet_ | Wrong |
| 14:14.50 | Vincent20100_ | Hachi, it would have gave right to racists |
| 14:14.57 | Monet_ | Its all about the synapse connections |
| 14:15.23 | Vincent20100_ | And eneded up in mutual genocides i think |
| 14:15.53 | AdmiralPanda | the Neanderthals suffered from slower cultural development |
| 14:15.56 | AdmiralPanda | that's the current theory |
| 14:16.03 | Vincent20100_ | Yah |
| 14:16.39 | Vincent20100_ | A teacher also told me neandertals was too much cold adapted and wasn't able to adapt enough to the warming planet of the time |
| 14:16.45 | Sporeraptor_ | Furthermoee IIRC Neanderthals and "normal" humans interbred, so I don't think there wouldn't be that much of a difference in society imo. |
| 14:17.07 | drom | AdmiralPanda: I ping you for the readbility. I can recall that when our ancestors and/or us stopped cannibalism, our average lifespan became longer, because we stopped ingesting the toxinous protetin that affected our brain. |
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| 14:17.33 | Monet_ | Eating brains generally isn't a good idea due to prions |
| 14:17.39 | Sporeraptor_ | hello |
| 14:17.40 | Cezannicus | Hello all. What's happened as of late? |
| 14:17.47 | Cezannicus | Hi Sporeraptor_ |
| 14:17.53 | Monet_ | anyway bbl |
| 14:18.02 | Cezannicus | See ya, Monet. |
| 14:18.13 | drom | I can't really confirm it all. But still, there was a diease with cannibalism as a common agent. |
| 14:18.41 | Monet_ | Mad cow disease was primarily the result of sheep's brains being mashed into cow feed. |
| 14:18.45 | Wormy_away | Wikipedia ohyou.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_27#Assburgers |
| 14:18.48 | Monet_ | If I recall |
| 14:19.01 | Vincent20100_ | I read cannibalism wasn't really a common practice though and only done in exceptionnal times |
| 14:19.31 | drom | Monet_: I think it makes sense, because that magainze article mentioned "brain" |
| 14:20.35 | drom | It even mentioned that the diease caused a constant decrease in brain cells. |
| 14:20.55 | drom | Until the point that the victim would die from many indirect reasons. |
| 14:21.49 | Cezannicus | and the sheep's brains had the prions which caused scrapie |
| 14:22.58 | Vincent20100_ | I remember dissecting a sheep brain in school... |
| 14:23.28 | Vincent20100_ | I saw a student eating a small piece of it |
| 14:24.29 | drom | I hate dissection. |
| 14:24.34 | Cezannicus | Ugh |
| 14:24.38 | Cezannicus | Vincent, really |
| 14:24.41 | Vincent20100_ | Yah |
| 14:24.46 | Cezannicus | That's disgusting |
| 14:24.50 | Vincent20100_ | I know |
| 14:25.01 | Cezannicus | He probably had to be sent to a Poison Control Center or something |
| 14:25.10 | Vincent20100_ | When I went to maroc, I eated a monkey's brain too, but it was cooked! |
| 14:25.12 | Cezannicus | Formaldehyde Preservative = TOXIC |
| 14:25.25 | Cezannicus | It was fresher and not preserved in formaldehyde |
| 14:25.31 | Vincent20100_ | No, he pucked it |
| 14:26.59 | Cezannicus | oh |
| 14:26.59 | Cezannicus | He vomited |
| 14:27.00 | Cezannicus | WELL IT WAS TOXIC |
| 14:27.00 | Vincent20100_ | Yah |
| 14:27.08 | Cezannicus | Did he ever eat glue |
| 14:27.23 | Vincent20100_ | Never asked. I kinda never talked to the dude again after. ^^ |
| 14:27.34 | drom | Have an example of a prion diease transmitted via cannibalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) |
| 14:28.49 | drom | Fun fact, in 2001, Chinese media reported that 95% of all beers in China contained Formaldehyde. |
| 14:29.11 | Vincent20100_ | Beer? In Chine? |
| 14:29.23 | Vincent20100_ | Must taste like lemon juice and rice... |
| 14:29.27 | drom | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_China |
| 14:30.19 | drom | I have seen a movie that mentioned that the [only brand of] beer in Vietnam contained Formaldehyde. |
| 14:30.29 | Vincent20100_ | How do chinese parents choose the name of their baby? |
| 14:30.44 | Vincent20100_ | They throw a spoon in the stairs. CHING CHONG TONG |
| 14:31.10 | TekDroid | ... |
| 14:31.26 | drom | meh |
| 14:31.36 | Vincent20100_ | It'S not racist if no asian read it! |
| 14:31.41 | drom | Rasict jokes are so old. |
| 14:31.48 | Sporeraptor_ | and bad |
| 14:32.15 | AdmiralPanda | I last heard that joke in grade 8 |
| 14:32.22 | AdmiralPanda | for reference, that was seven and a half years ago |
| 14:32.43 | drom | The only minority of rasict jokes that I like are from /pol/. |
| 14:32.47 | AdmiralPanda | so not only is that horribly inappropriate, it's also old, lame, and not even funny |
| 14:33.18 | Vincent20100_ | feel bad. |
| 14:34.48 | Vincent20100_ | apologize to all Chinese in the chat |
| 14:37.06 | Cezannicus | holy mother of jebediah k, what happened |
| 14:41.51 | drom | I think I caused his own internet's suicide. |
| 14:41.57 | Hachiman | lel |
| 14:42.12 | drom | Because I queried him. And now he's dead. |
| 14:42.17 | TekDroid | lol |
| 14:42.25 | TekDroid | You monster! |
| 14:42.55 | Hachiman | I should probably note that Hachiman is only around 1,3m in the scifiverse, which is around 4ft something |
| 14:42.56 | Hachiman | Who said that humans/human descendants had to be tall in the future |
| 14:43.04 | drom | There's an evil power lingering between my fingers. |
| 14:43.27 | drom | Hachiman: Sciencists. |
| 14:43.37 | Hachiman | It's likely Hachi's people became more compact over time to adapt to the climate of their world |
| 14:43.39 | AdmiralPanda | holy crap Hachi is like a third of Hel's size and probably half Sor's |
| 14:44.03 | AdmiralPanda | I suppose that'd make cuddling a lot easier |
| 14:44.06 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:44.20 | AdmiralPanda | cuddling Sor that is |
| 14:44.26 | AdmiralPanda | cuddling Hel' would end badly |
| 14:44.48 | AdmiralPanda | I think Ramashe got away with it once, but that's about it |
| 14:44.50 | Hachiman | So the future demigod of dreams and warper of reality started out as a midget |
| 14:45.07 | TekDroid | Of course when you're genetically modified you can throw any adaption justifications out the window. :P |
| 14:45.07 | AdmiralPanda | what is it with you and magic, reality-warping midgets? |
| 14:45.18 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: I'm a leprechaun |
| 14:45.25 | drom | Hachiman: When hares/rabbits are exicint. Will the Hachimen be the next preys? |
| 14:45.27 | AdmiralPanda | that makes so much sense |
| 14:45.48 | Hachiman | drom: >implying bunnies will go extinct |
| 14:46.37 | TekDroid | Bunnies reproduce like... well they're the reproduction metaphor. XD |
| 14:46.45 | drom | Hachiman: When drones and robots gone too far and extinct bunnies. Execpt alien ones. The ones not residing on the human planets. |
| 14:47.02 | Hachiman | Bunnies will never go extinct because humans find them too cute |
| 14:47.30 | Hachiman | They'll just preserve them and set up offworld wildlife reservations specifically intended for housing huge bunny populations |
| 14:47.31 | TekDroid | They're always be domestic ones and even then those might escape. |
| 14:47.52 | drom | Hm, what if when they find Hachimen, or the Sor, cuter than their own bunnies? |
| 14:47.56 | Hachiman | I get reminded of that one island near Japan that's been abandoned by human and is populated solely by bunnies |
| 14:48.00 | drom | I guess I'm going too far. |
| 14:48.00 | AdmiralPanda | Sor is a Fordanta |
| 14:48.13 | AdmiralPanda | you'd have to try pretty hard (or be Hachi) to find one cute |
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| 14:48.29 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 14:48.32 | Sporeraptor_ | hi |
| 14:48.39 | Hachiman | hi |
| 14:48.54 | AdmiralPanda | lel |
| 14:48.57 | Guest43586 | BAH DAMMIT |
| 14:48.59 | Hachiman | top kek |
| 14:49.01 | drom | Nothing is cutier than my hammerhead shark plushie. |
| 14:49.45 | AdmiralPanda | it's raining the right kind of rain |
| 14:49.47 | AdmiralPanda | is a happy panda |
| 14:50.57 | drom | Seriously, I counldn't let that plushie to be stuck on the shelf, to be drooled on by kids, smudged by ice cream-smeared hands and breathed on by unbrushed neckbread teeth. So I had to give it a new life. |
| 14:51.43 | Hachiman | Now that's an interesting premise for a story; a complex culture made up of bunny descendants explore a region of space to discover the ruins of a human civilization that's long since abandoned them and find the secrets to their origins |
| 14:51.52 | drom | All I do is pet it and give it a comfy spot on my bed. |
| 14:51.57 | Spu | Hachiman: dafuk u been smokin |
| 14:52.10 | Hachiman | Spu: wat havent i been smokin |
| 14:52.10 | AdmiralPanda | Spu: it makes sense in context |
| 14:52.35 | Spu | Drom: Great now I want a hammerhead shark plushie |
| 14:52.42 | drom | Spu: Mowed lawn grass. |
| 14:53.02 | AdmiralPanda | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spriggs077/Admiral_Kaios%27_Reboot I will remind you this thing is a thing |
| 14:53.10 | drom | From his own backyard. |
| 14:54.23 | Spu | AdmiralPanda: well do eet |
| 14:54.53 | drom | AdmiralPanda: I probably won't cross paths. But I wish you all the luck. |
| 14:55.47 | drom | When will anyone ever make a hammerhead shark-shaped hammer/sledge? |
| 14:55.54 | AdmiralPanda | neither of you actually read that |
| 14:56.46 | drom | Well. I did, a while ago. |
| 14:57.01 | Spu | So you want to have more crew members |
| 14:57.07 | Spu | I guess I can come up with someting |
| 14:58.05 | drom | Okay, I'm arriving to my end station. See ya. |
| 14:58.24 | Hachiman | I'll see if I can get something thought up |
| 14:59.06 | Spu | I probably won't make it any famous race since it's probably better not to |
| 14:59.30 | Hachiman | Cue samurai on my part hur] |
| 15:01.20 | Hachiman | brb |
| 15:04.25 | Spu | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/10342432_716548635089863_1121792093910091423_n.jpg |
| 15:09.44 | TekDroid | lol |
| 15:10.58 | Spu | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140821231458/spore/images/6/6a/PlanetPaclernosNew3.png Has everyone seen this yet |
| 15:11.07 | Spu | I'm beginning to forget who's on here and who's not nowadays |
| 15:11.37 | TekDroid | Xho's getting old. :P |
| 15:13.12 | AdmiralPanda | I had not seen that, and it's awesome |
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| 15:17.34 | Spu | Hm |
| 15:17.44 | Spu | I'm gonna redo a map of Paclernos and then put it on our Maps section |
| 15:18.26 | Spu | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/10612676_2294918303896741_509031028283912393_n.jpg I can't stop laughing |
| 15:18.46 | AdmiralPanda | lol |
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| 15:40.55 | TekDroid | ...apparently some kid in the US was arrested for writing a fictional story about him shooting his neighbour's dinosaur. O.o |
| 15:41.53 | DrodoEmpire | That's American police for you. :P |
| 15:46.59 | Hachiman | TekDroid: False, the police would have broken into his house and shot seven rounds into him unprovoked first |
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| 15:53.45 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 15:53.48 | Monet_ | Hi |
| 15:54.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 16:04.32 | Monet_ | I find it somewhat interesting that there are only two places where Chryssalids show up in Xcom missions. |
| 16:05.35 | Monet_ | Alien terror attacks on population centres and UFOs with good-sized cargoholds. |
| 16:07.27 | Monet_ | They're mentioned as a terror weapon but they only appear when the ALiens intentionally want to scare the life out of civilians. |
| 16:07.43 | Monet_ | Or if they just happen to be in storage |
| 16:07.59 | AdmiralPanda | terror weapon > only used when the objective is scaring people |
| 16:08.36 | AdmiralPanda | not sure if you've finished the main story, but Chryssalids are only used for terror missions because they're too unreliable and wild to use for any real missions |
| 16:08.37 | TekDroid | I'm confused too. XD |
| 16:09.21 | Monet_ | I know. But some fiction out there tries using terror weapons as viable combat weaponry |
| 16:09.54 | AdmiralPanda | X-COM doesn't |
| 16:10.18 | Monet_ | And that's what I find interesting in a good way |
| 16:12.54 | Monet_ | Its one of the few non-ultra-hard combat simulators that doesn't treat a terror weapon as something any military could throw at their opponents |
| 16:15.17 | Monet_ | On another note. Homefront 2 |
| 16:19.47 | Hachiman | wHY |
| 16:19.50 | Hachiman | Why |
| 16:19.53 | Hachiman | Homefront was terribad |
| 16:20.18 | AdmiralPanda | bad, but it got some things right that others got horribly wrong (might be thinking of a different game) |
| 16:21.18 | Monet_ | This time the locale is Philadelphia |
| 16:22.16 | AdmiralPanda | oh yeah that game was terrible as a game, but it did get some military things right |
| 16:22.29 | Hachiman | As in, West Philadelphia? Born and raised? |
| 16:22.42 | Monet_ | Yes |
| 16:23.39 | AdmiralPanda | fun fact: I swear I'm not making this up, but I actually had a black man from america named William Smith in one of my X-COM squads |
| 16:23.48 | Hachiman | olol |
| 16:23.57 | Hachiman | http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/bioluminscent-trees-could-light-our-streets |
| 16:25.03 | Monet_ | Which means that somehow North Korea managed to power trhough the Midwest al lthe way to the East Coast |
| 16:25.26 | AdmiralPanda | Monet_: In other words, people were having a laugh :P |
| 16:25.33 | Hachiman | It's the grorious reader |
| 16:26.44 | Monet_ | I know at least one person wh owould try to boycott that bioluminsecent tree idea but personally, I think it's a cool-sounding idea |
| 16:27.38 | Hachiman | Aye bioluminescent trees would be nice |
| 16:27.51 | Monet_ | Although I guess it all depends on how much it can illuminate the surrounding area |
| 16:28.48 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Celestial lulzy |
| 16:29.06 | Monet_ | Yeah someone might need to contact him |
| 16:29.16 | Monet_ | Scientific advancement is more than technology |
| 16:29.17 | AdmiralPanda | yeah we were having a civilised laugh at him before |
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| 16:30.18 | Technobliterator | I've done it |
| 16:32.17 | Monet_ | Industrial scale -> Scientific understanding to rival normal spacefaring civilisations... I'm seeing something amiss here |
| 16:33.12 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: You shouldn't lie about people's stuff on their talk pages :p |
| 16:33.24 | Technobliterator | lol |
| 16:33.33 | Monet_ | But I am reminded of those aliens from Star Trek Inssurection who shun the use of (presumably modern) technology yet *aparently* retain the knowledge to build warp drives and havetop-notch medical science. |
| 16:33.34 | Technobliterator | eh, I mean it could be worse |
| 16:35.37 | Monet_ | Relecting on it I'm pretty sure those people were supposed to mean electronic technology or advanced machines, but it falls flat when a liftable dam wall and a mechanical irrigation ssytem can be considered machines |
| 16:36.10 | Monet_ | They could have worded it better I guess. |
| 16:38.46 | Monet_ | The message feels a bit heavy handed when their leader's name is apparently "God Machine" |
| 16:39.15 | Monet_ | founding members sorry |
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| 16:48.06 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 16:48.06 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 16:48.37 | AdmiralPanda | probably the best description of The Big Bang Theory (tv show) I've ever heard: It's a show about smart people, aimed at dumb people |
| 16:50.28 | Hachiman | That's why it sucks as a show |
| 16:50.44 | Technobliterator | hey randum |
| 16:50.55 | Monet_ | Somehow I still enjoy it. Its probably all the nerd references. |
| 16:51.40 | Monet_ | Lately I've been finding myself joining in on occasion. |
| 16:52.06 | Monet_ | Penny walks into the comic book store asking for a comic to read and she asks "which one's the best?" |
| 16:52.24 | Monet_ | I recall joining Stuart in shouting no. |
| 16:52.42 | Monet_ | You do not ask which superher ois the best |
| 16:52.54 | Hachiman | http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4823993f36e02 The dinosaurs at the bottom of this article are amusing |
| 16:54.15 | Monet_ | Okay I can now say that OA has something going on regarding provolution. |
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| 16:55.10 | The_Randomness | Ok, that's the strangest thing I've seen in a while |
| 16:57.30 | Hachiman | It seems the OA community has a provolution fetish hur |
| 16:57.46 | Monet_ | "Societies of ordinary sophonts, or low to middle level transapients, have been known to create entire ecosystems." reminds me of the Imperium's life seeding efforts. |
| 16:59.46 | AdmiralPanda | The subject was transferred to hospital after receiving two broken arms, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, and a broken nose⦠injuries he sustained after falling down a flight of stairs after stabbing a marine. |
| 16:59.53 | AdmiralPanda | This from a news bulletin in America |
| 17:00.16 | TekDroid | O.o |
| 17:00.24 | The_Randomness | I think we know who got off worse there |
| 17:00.47 | TekDroid | "falling down a flight of stairs after stabbing a marine." O.o |
| 17:01.28 | AdmiralPanda | TekDroid: Spoiler alert, he didn't fall down a flight of stairs. |
| 17:01.49 | TekDroid | Wouldn't surprise me if that's actually true. |
| 17:02.23 | Monet_ | He dun got fooked up |
| 17:02.30 | Technobliterator | oh, Hachiman |
| 17:02.35 | Technobliterator | did you ever check atonement :o |
| 17:03.24 | AdmiralPanda | Just in case anyone still doesn't get it, he stabbed a marine, the marine turned around and, well, did that to him |
| 17:03.38 | The_Randomness | rekt |
| 17:04.33 | Wormy_away | I like The Big Bang Theory, it doesn't mock nerds but uses nerd humour |
| 17:04.34 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: I did, I like the new Xaltsa |
| 17:04.42 | Technobliterator | yaay |
| 17:04.51 | Technobliterator | it will be concluded tomorrow |
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| 17:14.32 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 17:14.57 | Cyrannian | Hello there |
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| 17:22.44 | Cezannicus | Hello |
| 17:23.01 | Cyrannian | Hi there |
| 17:23.14 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 17:23.19 | Cezannicus | Oh hey Cyr |
| 17:23.34 | Wormy_away | Who here knows about creating websites? I know about wikis but I want something personal. 1) I want to able to code it 2) Free |
| 17:23.53 | Cezannicus | Hmm...I don't, so there's that. |
| 17:23.58 | The_Randomness | Good luck finding a decent free hosting service that's any good |
| 17:24.04 | Wormy_away | I've considered WIX but I'm not sure if you can code it. Someone just told me I can though |
| 17:24.18 | Wormy_away | I've used XIX before |
| 17:25.13 | Wormy_away | I made a website on core formation for my university degree http://wormulonempire.wix.com/core-formation |
| 17:25.47 | The_Randomness | Oh neat |
| 17:28.47 | Monet_ | I've had some experience making websites from templates and with software. |
| 17:28.52 | Cezannicus | I'm trying to develop a somefink. |
| 17:29.20 | Cezannicus | Launching Spore |
| 17:29.23 | Hachiman | http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/467b2c533adbd Somebody thinks like I do |
| 17:29.28 | Cezannicus | B/C Creeeaaatures |
| 17:30.15 | Monet_ | Hachiman: I suspect Hugh Hefner's clone descendant may have had a hand. |
| 17:30.36 | Hachiman | Well there is a society called "Plaebuni" |
| 17:31.22 | Monet_ | So Playboy has expanded form a magasine into an interstellar power? |
| 17:31.37 | Hachiman | Considering OA, not surprising hur |
| 17:32.25 | Wormy_away | Evidence of pop III stars or stars close them http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28885991 |
| 17:32.55 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 17:33.01 | Monet_ | "Rojjerabbit" the stellar colony |
| 17:33.26 | Monet_ | "All hail our motorboat-mouthed patron" |
| 17:33.49 | Hachiman | Aye hur |
| 17:34.09 | The_Randomness | Acme Interstellar Supplies Co. |
| 17:34.11 | Wormy_away | "Other Lepusan dominated polities like Plaebuni and The Lepus Federation, although non-affiliated, have a flourishing tourist and sex trade and the protection of local posterotoginics." |
| 17:35.13 | Wormy_away | Perversities and Blights are a serios problem in the OAverse, here is a Bunny Plague http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c4364568f787 |
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| 17:36.15 | drom | So. |
| 17:37.10 | Monet_ | Wormy_away: So if unchecked, Outer VOlume colonies can gain a similar rabbit proble mot Australia? |
| 17:37.24 | Monet_ | problem to Austrailia* |
| 17:37.31 | drom | This new issue of this science magainze had a small press item. It was about which language was the easiest to learn. |
| 17:37.39 | Wormy_away | yes |
| 17:37.40 | drom | Guess? |
| 17:37.57 | Wormy_away | binary? |
| 17:38.30 | Monet_ | Russian? |
| 17:38.36 | drom | Nope. Most of linguistics. |
| 17:38.40 | drom | more of* |
| 17:39.07 | Wormy_away | Spanish? |
| 17:39.24 | Hachiman | English |
| 17:39.26 | Hachiman | :p |
| 17:39.43 | The_Randomness | Eugh, English is a mess. |
| 17:39.54 | drom | It's Traditional Mandarin. |
| 17:40.02 | drom | Aka, the Chinese language. |
| 17:40.03 | The_Randomness | Interesting |
| 17:40.07 | Monet_ | ....fuck |
| 17:40.16 | drom | Because of it's pronuncation and rules. |
| 17:40.27 | Monet_ | But wait isn't China in decline? |
| 17:40.38 | drom | And guess which language takes the spot as the hardest language to learn? |
| 17:40.38 | Monet_ | Or at least in the early stages? |
| 17:40.44 | The_Randomness | English |
| 17:40.48 | TekAway | English |
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| 17:40.57 | drom | Nope. |
| 17:41.06 | drom | PS: It's not Finnish. |
| 17:41.09 | TekAway | The other Chinese one? |
| 17:41.13 | drom | Nope. |
| 17:41.30 | TekAway | Swedish? |
| 17:41.32 | Cezannicus | What's going on |
| 17:41.33 | drom | Nope. |
| 17:41.46 | TekAway | Is it European? |
| 17:41.56 | AdmiralPanda | Manufactured boyband? |
| 17:42.02 | drom | Amercian-European |
| 17:42.03 | Wormy_away | Welsh? |
| 17:42.07 | AdmiralPanda | because that's pretty damn hard to understand |
| 17:42.26 | TekAway | Dutch? |
| 17:42.27 | drom | So, it's time to unveil? |
| 17:42.36 | TekAway | Yeah. |
| 17:42.38 | drom | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_language |
| 17:42.40 | Monet_ | AdmiralPanda: I don't think the boy bands know wht they're talking about half the time |
| 17:42.47 | TekAway | Huh. |
| 17:43.17 | drom | The Greenlandic language puts the Finnish language into shame! |
| 17:43.21 | Wormy_away | hm |
| 17:43.25 | Spu | Greenlandic is also horrid |
| 17:43.28 | Monet_ | India's on the rise to outpace China I think |
| 17:43.31 | Hachiman | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8291013632/h0F5FA664/ |
| 17:43.36 | Cezannicus | Spu: Never heard of that language |
| 17:43.42 | The_Randomness | I didn't even know that Greenland had its own language ._. |
| 17:43.49 | Cezannicus | The_Randomness: Nor I |
| 17:44.04 | Spu | Yeah Greenlandic Inuits |
| 17:44.13 | The_Randomness | Ah |
| 17:44.21 | Cezannicus | Spu: Oh...now it makes sense. |
| 17:44.21 | Spu | There's like a population of 60,000 in Greenland |
| 17:44.35 | Cezannicus | About 1/100th the size of NYC! |
| 17:45.04 | drom | Greenland is also the worst enemy in Plague Inc. |
| 17:45.13 | The_Randomness | Not Madagascar? |
| 17:45.23 | Monet_ | Well there are too few people in Greenland |
| 17:45.31 | The_Randomness | Crap, I feel like I butchered the name of that country/island |
| 17:45.33 | Monet_ | Unless you adapt your plague to infect seals lol |
| 17:45.52 | Wormy_away | Greenland was the making for the Fjord League of Northern Europe, as the ice retreated leaving untapped resources and land for agriculture. |
| 17:45.54 | drom | In Plague Inc. There's only an import boat heading to Greenland. |
| 17:46.20 | Spu | I gotta go now |
| 17:46.29 | Spu | I'll be back tomorrow I guess |
| 17:46.30 | The_Randomness | Bye |
| 17:46.35 | Monet_ | drom: So a plague can spread but it can't spread beyond that |
| 17:46.36 | drom | And it's not so frequent, so you will always lose when Greenland doesn't get infected before you get a mutation. |
| 17:48.20 | Cezannicus | pulsarium.deviantart.com/art/PERMIOS-474977629 |
| 17:48.22 | Cezannicus | Thoughts? |
| 17:48.23 | drom | It's also a bad start to begin with Greenland, since there's no way out other only a way in. |
| 17:49.04 | drom | Cezannicus: Cool. |
| 17:49.11 | Wormy_away | Reminds me of the Leviathan in Star Wars EU |
| 17:49.13 | Cezannicus | Thanks drom |
| 17:49.13 | Hachiman | Nice art, I gotta say |
| 17:49.24 | Cezannicus | Thanks Hachi and Wormy |
| 17:49.53 | Wormy_away | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan_(creature) |
| 17:50.14 | drom | This makes me feel ashamed that I didn't draw so often by then. |
| 17:51.30 | The_Randomness | Cezannicus: Very nice, this makes me wish I was at least competent at drawing |
| 17:51.39 | Cezannicus | Aw |
| 17:51.41 | Cezannicus | Thanks |
| 17:51.57 | Cezannicus | kaijucombat.com/community/index.php?threads/toxic-child-of-extinction-permios-up-for-spn4-sponsorships-welcome.14073/ <<< Some details on Permios |
| 17:52.19 | drom | This is one of my own [character] ones that I like most. http://i.imgur.com/D2w9TKy.jpg |
| 17:52.29 | Cezannicus | Nice! |
| 17:52.54 | drom | Aliens are so easy to draw, because fuck anatomy. |
| 17:52.58 | Monet_ | Cezannicus: That's an intimdiating design, especially those growths on the belly. |
| 17:53.06 | Cezannicus | Those are acid sacs, Monet_ |
| 17:53.07 | Monet_ | and torso |
| 17:53.17 | Monet_ | That's a lot of acid |
| 17:53.41 | Cezannicus | Containing thermophiliac bacteria that produce incredibly acidic toxins |
| 17:53.50 | Cezannicus | Sure as hell is |
| 17:54.20 | Cezannicus | http://www.kaijucombat.com/community/index.php?threads/toxic-child-of-extinction-permios-up-for-spn4-sponsorships-welcome.14073/ <<< Details for you to read |
| 17:55.35 | drom | Can I may ask you about your methods of drawing? |
| 17:55.46 | Cezannicus | Sure, I suppose. |
| 17:55.54 | Cezannicus | I could give you tips |
| 17:56.16 | drom | That will do good. |
| 17:59.49 | Monet_ | Well he appears well-liked. That's a good sign |
| 18:01.48 | Monet_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Beyond_Currency:_The_Post_Scarcity_Society I worked on this last night |
| 18:02.36 | Cezannicus | Well-written, Monet_ |
| 18:02.45 | TekAway | Saw that, interesting. |
| 18:03.52 | The_Randomness | Indeed, very well-written. |
| 18:03.55 | drom | brb, I'm not feeling well in my bell |
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| 18:18.57 | drom | back |
| 18:39.04 | drom | Currently sketching a creature Aemonkian. |
| 18:39.12 | drom | God, the feet are so hard to sketch |
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| 18:41.09 | Sporeraptor | hi |
| 18:41.15 | drom | Hey |
| 18:48.02 | The_Randomness | It's far from complete, but it's a start. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Salsetthe_Republic/History |
| 18:48.51 | Hachiman | http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/russian_authorities_forced_to_allow_a_same_sex_wedding |
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| 19:15.34 | drom | I guess the sketch went well this time. http://i.imgur.com/Zesogab.jpg |
| 19:15.48 | DrodoEmpire | Pretty nice |
| 19:16.02 | Sporeraptor | Looks good. What is it ? |
| 19:16.31 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman#Characteristics Did some updating here |
| 19:16.33 | drom | An Aemonkian. During their "primitive" stage. |
| 19:16.46 | drom | Aka, creature. |
| 19:17.14 | drom | The feet was troublesome, so I had to use an exported model as a reference. |
| 19:17.58 | Monet_ | That's actually pretty alien |
| 19:20.38 | drom | w0t, the new borderlands is now up for pre-order. |
| 19:23.39 | drom | Thanks for the compliments! |
| 19:24.24 | Monet_ | Hachiman: He's definitely maturing...to an extent. |
| 19:24.33 | Hachiman | hur |
| 19:24.34 | Hachiman | How so? |
| 19:24.51 | Monet_ | I'm having trouble imagining a Hachi who isn't lewd or open with his thoughts. |
| 19:25.11 | Monet_ | So its nice that he still has these aspects |
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| 19:25.33 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 19:27.15 | Hachiman | Hai Ghel |
| 19:27.33 | Hachiman | Monet_: Well of course, he may be seemingly over 20 but he's still quite young at heart hur |
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| 19:27.53 | Wormy_away | Nobody told me Doctor Who series 8 starts tomorrow! |
| 19:28.00 | Wormy_away | Hi |
| 19:28.07 | Monet_ | I found out last minute too |
| 19:28.22 | Monet_ | That wasitcoat of Hachi's, I wnder where he got it... |
| 19:29.02 | TekDroid | Problem with online tracking: I knew my laptop had arrived before the store was even ready. XD |
| 19:29.47 | Hachiman | Ghelae: Welcome back, you were missed |
| 19:29.51 | Wormy_away | Still in Dorsert |
| 19:29.54 | Wormy_away | Ghelae? |
| 19:29.57 | Ghelae | Thanks. |
| 19:30.09 | Ghelae | Not in Dorset any more, Wormy. |
| 19:30.25 | Wormy_away | Did you see any of the Jurassic Coast in the end? |
| 19:30.32 | Wormy_away | Did you see any smooth snakes lol? |
| 19:31.10 | Ghelae | No, although I did look for both. It was the northernmost end of Studland beach we went to in the end, near the ferry across the entrance to Poole Harbour. |
| 19:31.25 | Wormy_away | Ah |
| 19:31.30 | Hachiman | Monet_: Probably got it at some commercial district in the Imperium or one of its clients |
| 19:31.38 | Wormy_away | You know, just behind Studland there was another, quiet beach |
| 19:31.54 | Wormy_away | but more wild |
| 19:32.35 | Monet_ | Hachiman: He might get lost if he ever visits the middle and lower tiers of Araveene. |
| 19:32.43 | Wormy_away | Hm, did you pass by Corfe Castle at all? |
| 19:33.23 | Monet_ | Newsagents selling pornography, strip clubs, arcades, holovenues.... |
| 19:33.44 | Ghelae | Yes, we went to Corfe Castle first. There were a few fossils on show (at least they looked like fossils of ammonites and wood) in the nearby garden which included a model village. |
| 19:34.13 | Wormy_away | I've been there twice now! |
| 19:34.32 | Hachiman | Sounds like Araveene is the Imperial equivalent to New Vegas hur |
| 19:34.59 | Wormy_away | Last time, I was staying near Worth Matravers, which was a walking distance from Corfe |
| 19:35.28 | Wormy_away | I was went on the stream train to swanage |
| 19:35.32 | Wormy_away | *steam |
| 19:36.12 | Monet_ | Hachiman: I've imagined it to Illium from Mass Effect. You can buy literally anything depending on where you look and while the upper levels are graced by high-class clubs and performance houses, lower levels are home ot more...seedy entertainment and commerce |
| 19:36.21 | Wormy_away | Been to the abandoned village too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyneham |
| 19:37.04 | Wormy_away | it is such a small world |
| 19:37.21 | Wormy_away | we always nearly cross paths lol |
| 19:38.03 | Wormy_away | bbl again |
| 19:38.32 | Monet_ | When Nu visited he visited a lounge, a gun shop and a bounty office. |
| 19:39.50 | Monet_ | There was even a club that served that famous death drink that can kill even Kicath |
| 19:41.26 | Hachiman | Geezush |
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| 19:45.48 | Monet_ | If I rememebr the portrayal, it was a well-known club too. A place that Kicath and persons of affluence like to visit |
| 19:49.02 | Tek0516 | Woohoo, new laptop! |
| 19:53.57 | Tek0516 | *returns home with laptop* -> *recieves notification it's ready for pickup after he gets home* |
| 19:55.01 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 19:55.15 | Wormy_away | damn, I started running then I realised my shorts were falling down |
| 19:55.41 | Wormy_away | Right, I'll try again... |
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| 20:06.15 | teufort_drom | Angrydroid: Heyo. |
| 20:06.25 | Angrydroid | Hey! |
| 20:14.30 | Tek0516 | DrodoEmpire: My EUIV save games folder is 5.90GB. >.< |
| 20:14.46 | DrodoEmpire | o.o |
| 20:14.48 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 20:15.07 | DrodoEmpire | I'd probably delete a few of those... |
| 20:15.33 | Tek0516 | 221 files. I always save under the new name each time. XD |
| 20:15.47 | Tek0516 | This is also after a couple purges. |
| 20:17.52 | Tek0516 | I just deleted over 4GB already. XD |
| 20:20.20 | Tek0516 | There, 862MB now. XD |
| 20:20.55 | Tek0516 | *808 |
| 20:32.30 | teufort_drom | Fucking wikia doesn't allow me to edit a page of mine now. |
| 20:32.46 | Monet_ | That might be temporary |
| 20:33.08 | teufort_drom | Hopefully, but I honestly hate it when it happens. |
| 20:33.26 | The_Randomness | I had it earlier today, try refreshing the page or something |
| 20:33.38 | teufort_drom | Thanks |
| 20:35.35 | drom | Well. I feel a little alone. Anyone playing a multiplayer game? |
| 20:40.05 | drom | Nothing in mind. Better make a new ship. |
| 20:50.44 | Tek0516 | Ugh. Copying hundreds of GB to an external drive then copying all of that to my new PC. >.< |
| 20:52.27 | Tek0516 | Hopefully Steam won't break. |
| 20:55.52 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Cyrannian_War/Year_One#Third_Month - Some important events |
| 20:58.02 | Sporeraptor | We are in Month three already ? I really need to hurry up. |
| 20:59.53 | Sporeraptor | Good work,though I kind of miss the old style. |
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| 21:05.11 | Cyrannian | I'll still use the old style during important individual campaigns and subpages, though I think it slowed down the main fiction, since I don't want the SCW to last as long as the DT did. |
| 21:08.28 | The_Randomness | brb |
| 21:10.32 | Sporeraptor | Ah, I see. BTW, could you please tell me what the Cyrannian Months after Martex are called ? I can't seem to find them anywhere, but I would like to use the names in my subplot. |
| 21:11.10 | Cyrannian | Sure, I'll find them now |
| 21:12.37 | Cyrannian | Ianuaria, Martex, Iunius, N'ovemex, Dekemurios and Neochios |
| 21:14.05 | Sporeraptor | Thank you |
| 21:14.52 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman#Relations Updated his relations |
| 21:16.33 | Monet_ | Koluap - âMoan all you want, I don't see you throwing Essence around! ... What are you doing with that shotgun?â The implications XD |
| 21:17.41 | Hachiman | ohgod |
| 21:18.57 | Monet_ | Tose are some great entries |
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| 21:23.33 | The_Randomness | is back |
| 21:26.36 | Wormy | Hachi hasn't met the DCP yet |
| 21:27.25 | Wormy | There ought to be (or have been) some joint task force with Hachi and a DCP character |
| 21:28.29 | Hachiman | Perhaps Hachi could come across one in Andromeda? |
| 21:29.00 | Wormy | yeah |
| 21:29.24 | Wormy | Maybe the Kicath Dissention? |
| 21:29.33 | Wormy | If hes in it. |
| 21:30.44 | Hachiman | He isn't, no |
| 21:33.37 | Wormy | I haven't any ideas due to the DCP's lack of presence in Andromeda, though lets keep the idea open. |
| 21:35.32 | Wormy | bbl |
| 21:40.20 | The_Randomness | I'm out, see you guys later |
| 22:06.11 | Hachiman | http://i1.wp.com/www.cringechannel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/10620880_743330172390623_298405977_n.jpg?resize=672%2C737 |
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| 22:08.38 | OluapCollege | heugh |
| 22:09.52 | Monet_ | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140822220916/spore/images/a/ac/Draconis_Nude_5.png new Draconis model |
| 22:10.16 | Hachiman | ew go away |
| 22:10.25 | OluapCollege | ;-; |
| 22:10.34 | Hachiman | Monet_: That smaller head's gonna take some getting used to |
| 22:10.39 | Hachiman | cuddles OluapCollege |
| 22:10.43 | Hachiman | i joke i wuv u |
| 22:10.52 | OluapCollege | 'v' |
| 22:11.22 | Monet_ | Hachiman: Hmm I might scale it up a little but I lik the long neck |
| 22:11.24 | Hachiman | :3 |
| 22:12.00 | Hachiman | Nah I like it as well |
| 22:12.12 | Hachiman | It just looks different to what I'm used to hur |
| 22:12.17 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Hachiman almost dun |
| 22:12.28 | OluapCollege | I saw and liek |
| 22:12.35 | OluapCollege | Needs Tantum section though |
| 22:12.50 | OluapCollege | And you forgot TharaqÃm and Foshi in the relations |
| 22:12.57 | Hachiman | Gimme list of Tantum events and I'll put them down hur |
| 22:12.58 | Hachiman | rite |
| 22:13.10 | Monet_ | Hachiman: Might not be able to bite peoples torsos off anymore heh |
| 22:13.26 | OluapCollege | I'll do that on private to not clog up the chat |
| 22:13.33 | Hachiman | I had fun with the relations on Hachi's page |
| 22:13.47 | OluapCollege | His quote on Kol made me giggle |
| 22:19.50 | Hachiman | There added |
| 22:21.06 | OluapCollege | I can't check atm, I'll do it later |
| 22:22.28 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10620772_376146672532670_3593521787903030806_n.jpg?oh=e99cd774e7ff2c223435709f8fd61297&oe=545E85BE |
| 22:23.09 | DrodoEmpire | wat |
| 22:29.19 | Monet_ | Foshi - âFor a Chaos monster, you make for a good pet. Squee squee!â Develani - ASDFSADFKJDFGHJKASDBFKJafb |
| 22:33.12 | Hachiman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.30 | Hachiman | Vibroblades are just so cool |
| 22:37.34 | Monet_ | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130712185423/spore/images/b/b4/SarecProfile02a.png hif F5 if it looks lik the old one |
| 22:39.01 | Hachiman | Ah that looks cool |
| 22:42.53 | Wormy_away | Hi Oluap |
| 22:43.24 | Monet_ | He's a lot slimmer than in previous models that's for sure |
| 22:43.36 | Wormy_away | True Facts About Marsupials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8 |
| 22:43.47 | OluapCollege | hi |
| 23:01.04 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10548041_1507695742780829_2043348704270387602_o.jpg |
| 23:01.13 | Hachiman | People need to burn really |
| 23:07.06 | Monet_ | Not everyone. Just the minority of peop lwho come up with stupid stuff lik that |
| 23:07.25 | Hachiman | Furries in general really |
| 23:07.35 | OluapCollege | get roasted |
| 23:09.17 | Wormy_away | True Facts About Morgan Freeman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5MEJk5ZCQ |
| 23:16.08 | Wormy_away | I will create a new activist group |
| 23:16.31 | Wormy_away | Lark Privilege |
| 23:16.41 | Wormy_away | We live under their tyranny |
| 23:16.46 | Wormy_away | The early risers |
| 23:16.59 | Wormy_away | There is no bloody reason to get up so early |
| 23:20.50 | Wormy_away | Vorgormon http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HUHXBirN5bE/TJAeHEWpxQI/AAAAAAAAACQ/Q7GU824Jbhc/s1600/fat+vampire.jpg |
| 23:23.47 | Wormy_away | Hachiman: Lol so I typed in Vorgormon into google images and Carrol Vordermon from Loose women is plastered all over it |
| 23:23.57 | Hachiman | olol |
| 23:27.26 | Wormy_away | I typed in Libertus and got naked woman |
| 23:27.40 | Hachiman | YIS |
| 23:28.03 | Wormy_away | hur |
| 23:28.16 | Monet_ | Was she attractive? |
| 23:28.23 | Hachiman | "I hate when I'm watching porn and suddenly there's a man's butthole right in my face and I'm like "go away dad I'm watching porn" - Rob DenBleyker, creator of Cyanide & Happiness |
| 23:28.45 | DrodoEmpire | looks at Monet suspiciously |
| 23:28.54 | DrodoEmpire | Don't yuo go looking it up too... |
| 23:28.56 | DrodoEmpire | *you |
| 23:29.05 | Hachiman | brb googling Libertus |
| 23:29.14 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 23:29.26 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (65a533e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.165.51.230) |
| 23:29.36 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 23:30.37 | Wormy_away | Quite Monet, and there was than one woman |
| 23:31.34 | Monet_ | I wonder if Google confused Libertus with Libra |
| 23:45.19 | Wormy_away | "Gardevoir was amazed by the sheer number of rule 34 of herself." http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120419055757/uncyclopedia/images/3/38/GARDEPWNT.jpg |
| 23:45.29 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 23:46.56 | *** join/#sporewiki GD12 (43b4106f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.180.16.111) |
| 23:47.10 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 23:47.11 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 23:47.15 | GD12 | hey |
| 23:47.19 | GD12 | ~seen Cyrannian |
| 23:47.22 | infobot | cyrannian <5f2c5c07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.44.92.7> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 2h 34m 45s ago, saying: 'Ianuaria, Martex, Iunius, N'ovemex, Dekemurios and Neochios'. |
| 23:47.24 | GD12 | ~seen Cyrannian|Away |
| 23:47.24 | infobot | cyrannian|away <5f2c5c07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.44.92.7> was last seen on IRC in channel #cyrannus, 4h 15m 35s ago, saying: '~summon The_Lunchingness '. |
| 23:50.31 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen dino_ |
| 23:50.31 | infobot | dino_ <52b0ddef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.221.239> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 24d 3h 32m 53s ago, saying: 'see ya!'. |
| 23:50.38 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen dino |
| 23:50.38 | infobot | dino <52b0ddef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.221.239> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 24d 5h 26m 40s ago, saying: 'HOBBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11'. |
| 23:50.45 | DrodoEmpire | ~seen dino__ |
| 23:50.45 | infobot | dino__ <52b0ddef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.176.221.239> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 35d 2h 28m 36s ago, saying: 'see ya!'. |
| 23:50.49 | DrodoEmpire | Huh. |
| 23:52.31 | GD12 | hur I've been lisening to the same song for around 100 loops huhu |
| 23:52.37 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 23:53.05 | DrodoEmpire | I have a playlist of well over a hundred song yet inevitably I keep on listening to a select few in a loop. :P |
| 23:53.09 | DrodoEmpire | *songs |
| 23:53.36 | GD12 | The song is called Shadow on the sun by Audioslave btw |
| 23:53.44 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 23:53.57 | DrodoEmpire | but wait a secund |
| 23:54.04 | DrodoEmpire | dats imposibul |
| 23:54.08 | GD12 | what u mean |
| 23:54.17 | DrodoEmpire | sun iz lite |
| 23:54.19 | GD12 | I have it on itunes set to loop |
| 23:54.22 | DrodoEmpire | hao shadoe |
| 23:54.24 | GD12 | oh hur |
| 23:54.24 | Wormy | http://www.demotyvacija.lt/media/demotivators/demotyvacija.lt_Captain-Obvious-strikes-again--1.jpg |
| 23:54.29 | GD12 | dat logic |
| 23:54.41 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
| 23:54.46 | GD12 | idk if its just me but if you listen to it enough it seems oddly appropriate for a footsoldier in Attero Dominatus (on either side) |
| 23:54.54 | DrodoEmpire | huh. |
| 23:55.00 | GD12 | aside from the dum screamo in the last minute or two |
| 23:55.35 | GD12 | link if anyone wants to listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfF4t9-wpCM |
| 23:55.38 | DrodoEmpire | Well I'm sure there'd be plenty of screaming on the battlefield. :P |
| 23:56.06 | Wormy | I listen to this when I read AD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-o_pqYznsU |
| 23:56.57 | Wormy | Its appropriate to soldiers preparing to meet doom on the battlefront |
| 23:57.04 | GD12 | Thats true |
| 23:57.22 | GD12 | imo Shadow on the sun's main theme is the fear of dying alone and hopelessness and things like that |
| 23:57.42 | GD12 | Hence its the less inspirational part (Wormys is the more inspirational part) of AD |
| 23:59.11 | GD12 | I would imagine it would be one of the more thankless jobs to be an infantryman in AD |
