IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140729

00:01.36HachimanOh?
00:01.57Wormy_semi_hereIts awesome because I happened to be listening to a part of Nightvale about lights in the sky http://youtu.be/barhR-i_Ak8?t=9m56s
00:02.16Wormy_semi_hereIt was a loud swooping sound and roaring engine
00:13.48Wormy_semi_herelol bottom one about Turing http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/jul/21/famous-science-history-twitter-humour
00:29.11Wormy_semi_herebye
00:29.29Wormy_semi_hereI may or may not be on in the morning.  See you till next week.
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00:35.51WormyVery eldritch http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/ufo-sighting-like-something-out-7354803
00:36.59TybusenHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=949t3anhQmg Have I shown you this before
00:37.23HachimanNo, I saw it when the guy uploaded I think hur
00:37.57TybusenIt's a work of art
00:38.22TybusenNeed to get it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or something
00:38.47HachimanTTGL OST is a work of art in itself
00:38.53HachimanFuck it, TTGL is a work of art hur
00:42.36HachimanTybusen: "PSYMON, GOOOO"
00:45.34TybusenHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXTZvkRCD4 this
00:46.01HachimanSaw that ages ago
00:46.04Hachimantis gud
00:46.45TybusenSlam Jam remixes are the best thing on the Internet
01:04.55Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism/French_Quadrantia_Trade_Route_Crisis -c
01:05.15AngrybirdsMost people here have already seen it.
01:06.18DrodoEmpireYep.
01:48.14Tek0516Wow... that was a massive battle in EUIV.
01:48.54Tek0516It's 1507 and I just ran a pitched battle with roughly 50k on each side.
02:08.19DrodoEmpireReally?
02:08.21DrodoEmpireDamn.
02:15.05AngrybirdsTybusen: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:French_Quadrantian_Trade_Route_Crisis.png
02:33.49Tek0516DrodoEmpire: Won it too, though winning the war is proving difficult.
02:33.59DrodoEmpireAh
02:34.32Tek0516Venice vs Poland and Lithuania. Take from that what you wish.
02:35.09DrodoEmpirelol
02:35.29Tek0516I only started it on the assumption Lithuania would reject due to its war with Finland. -.'
02:35.32Tek0516*-.-
02:37.41Tek0516...you'd think the game would notify me if rebels popped up while I was sieging a province. -.-
02:39.54AngrybirdsWhat do you guys think of that picture?
02:40.49DrodoEmpireIts nice.
02:40.53Tek0516Looks really cool. Dark and mysterious, great job with the debris.
02:41.01DrodoEmpire^
02:41.09DrodoEmpireHow did you do the debris?
02:41.10TybusenNeeds more lens flare /brick'd
02:41.46TybusenIt's good, although I would've added an explosion somewhere in there as well
02:41.58TybusenBut the debris looks great
02:45.05AngrybirdsDanke. :D
02:45.29AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire: I spammed a disjointed vehicle which I made by just spamming parts.
02:45.43DrodoEmpireAh, alright.
02:51.21AngrybirdsHere's your explosion,Tybusen: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:French_Quadrantian_Trade_Route_Crisis.png
02:51.41TybusenPerfection
02:52.18Tybusengives Angrybirds a "ya did good kid, ya did good" eclair
02:53.45TybusenEnjoy it
02:53.48TybusenYou've earned it
02:54.26Tybusenhttp://i.imgur.com/RMsL2wR.png
03:01.36Angrybirds[[File:Corsican Defense Force.png]]
03:01.36morgothBotPyAngrybirds meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Corsican_Defense_Force.png
03:02.12Angrybirds^ Bonus image. Two Corsican Oliphaunts holding a treeline, being resupplied by an Ercole gunship.
03:02.30TybusenLooks great!
03:04.58AngrybirdsInspired by something that just happened to me in Wargame. I was holding a treeline with a row of tanks, and they were picking enemy tanks off at a distance. I brought in an ENORMOUS supply chopper to give them more ammo before hauling arse out of there, just in time. Right as I took off, artillery shells began falling on where my helicopter previously was.
03:05.41AngrybirdsAlso, Corsica is getting Quadrant Colonies. This is happening.
03:06.20AngrybirdsAnd... Why are infobox images so small all over a sudden>
03:06.21Angrybirds?*
03:06.31DrodoEmpireAB: http://media0.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/giphy.gif
03:06.43Angrybirdslol
03:23.57AngrybirdsAnyone want to set up manufactories/shipyards in Heer Stekeveel space?
03:24.11AngrybirdsCheap labor, next to no taxes!
03:24.40AngrybirdsAnd very little government regulation to the point where you might actually have to enforce the peace yourself.
03:26.40AngrybirdsTybusen Tek0516 DrodoEmpire OfficerJackal DrodoEmpire ?
03:27.19OfficerJackalGreater Hal'Sk Empire might have a go at it, although there are ethical issues they would be a bit conflicted about.
03:28.30AngrybirdsIn the case of the Hal'Sk empires, it might be corporations setting those up, so the ethical issue wouldn't matter.
03:34.38Tek0516Maybe I'll have a Farengeto corporation move in.
03:35.23AngrybirdsAlright. Give me names and maybe a rough location on the map (I'm concentrating some in the lower right atm), and I'll put them on. Open as many as you like.
03:35.47Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heer_Sketeevel_Confederation_Map.png
03:36.16Tek0516Made a starship corporation name a while back. Gotta check the name.
03:37.27Tek0516O.o In EUIV my reinforcement cost is one and a half times the actual maintenance.
03:37.44Tek0516...even though I actually have no manpower to reinforce it with. O.o
03:40.30OfficerJackalAngrybirds: Well, of course they could, doesn't mean the government can't ask them to cut it out or improve conditions inside HSC space, or risk hefty fines. Inspectors would probably come once in a while as well.
03:41.04OfficerJackalGHE Government - Givin' us a bad name fegget, stahp.
03:41.07AngrybirdsOfficerJackal: Up to you. Nobody said you couldn't make life better for your Heer Stekeveel subordinates.
03:41.21OfficerJackalAngrybirds: Right. XD
03:43.04AngrybirdsGive me names and locations, dmnit
03:43.53Knight_AlienXD
03:44.50OfficerJackalHmm, the GHE would probably have a raw-materials corporation set up in the territory with the weird yellow symbol.
03:45.03OfficerJackalYsira Mining Corporation
03:45.08OfficerJackalYeah, that sounds good.
03:47.16AngrybirdsJust one?
03:48.02AngrybirdsHow big of an operation is it?
03:48.52OfficerJackalPretty darn big.
03:49.08Angrybirdsplz be more vague
03:49.19Angrybirds(Joking.)
03:49.25OfficerJackalBig.
03:49.28OfficerJackalBi.
03:49.29OfficerJackalB.
03:49.31OfficerJackal.
03:49.32Angrybirds*slaps*
03:49.33OfficerJackal<PROTECTED>
03:49.47OfficerJackalLol. XD
03:49.50Angrybirds^
03:50.19OfficerJackalBut yeah, if the government is really that weak, they might even bring their own police force and stuff over there.
03:50.21OfficerJackalSpeaking of it...
03:50.26OfficerJackalI could make a new fiction out of it. :D
03:51.08OfficerJackalYsiria! Digging into the ground so you don't have to!
03:51.29OfficerJackalYsiria*
03:51.30OfficerJackalFuc
03:51.35Tek0516:/ GA's images are getting messed up...
03:52.05AngrybirdsDescribe the operation to me, then? The Heer Stekeveel tribes don't have any industry and live in decentralized tribal communities. They're extremely poor and often war among themselves for food, but the promise of steady pay and bread (however meagre) could bring them to artificial cities.
03:52.37AngrybirdsAn alternative would be to employ slave labor captured from warring tribes.
03:52.45Angrybirdscaptured by warring tribes*
03:54.55OfficerJackalAngrybirds: Well, pretty much they are going to be mining multiple planets at the same time, it's going to be a massive operation with Heer Stekeevel on those worlds being given the option to be employed, or to just live on with their lives. Artificial towns and cities would be made, and they would actually be treated fairly well, with efforts being put into place to not effect the planet that badly with the mining.
03:55.02OfficerJackalGovernment regulation 4 the win yo.
03:56.00AngrybirdsAlright. Would they have an central refinery or processing plant in Heer Stekeveel space?
03:56.22Tek0516Tremys-Tathil, a mining and refinery corporation crested by the Lagahti. Give them widespread operations in the upper right of the one with the three swords.
03:56.23OfficerJackalAngrybirds: Actually, I was thinking about it, and to expand their horizons and fiction opprotunities, I could just make them a corporation that does just about everything, from mining to producing goods.
03:56.46DrodoEmpireI know I'm late to the discussion, but a Drodo corporation or two might set up, as well.
03:57.02OfficerJackalAngybirds: Also yes to that question.
03:57.48Tek0516Also Laganicley Shipyards will set up operation nearby to Tremys-Tathil.
03:58.01Tek0516Probably some overlao.
03:58.07Tek0516*overlap
03:58.12AngrybirdsAlright. Give me the names of the central factories, refineries, manufactories, fabrication yards, etc, and I'll mark the area around them (their zone of operation where they get raw materials) around it.
03:59.28DrodoEmpireI might have a few Drodo corporations set up.
03:59.50OfficerJackalAngrybirds: Alright, and all of these are going to be based in Magador, here we go...
04:00.00Tek0516Laganicley will probably build a lot of orbital infrastructure. Probably also add a deal with Tremys-Tathil for Harvest-> Refine-> Manufacture.
04:02.16AngrybirdsTekDroid: Should I name the central hubs the same as the company names?
04:02.18Tek0516I can't tell if it's my disk, PC or the 8.1 update but my Spore is messed up. :/
04:06.35Tek0516Do you mean the facilities or the planets?
04:06.50AngrybirdsEither one.
04:07.54Tek0516I ask because Laganicley Shipyards is named for the planet is was originally based from.
04:09.53Tek0516But name the facilities after both, at least.
04:11.00AngrybirdsOfficerJackal: Name of the central hub?
04:12.38OfficerJackalAngryBirds: Just name it "Ysira Mining Corporation Central Hub" or something bland like that. XD
04:22.04AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire: Your turn
04:22.16DrodoEmpiresits up
04:22.19DrodoEmpirewuh?
04:22.20DrodoEmpireOh!
04:22.24DrodoEmpireGood good!
04:22.30DrodoEmpireAlright...
04:22.51DrodoEmpireSo I'm thinking an Arms corporation will set up; Uiark Defence Systems.
04:23.00DrodoEmpireMostly dealing in small arms.
04:24.11DrodoEmpireSo basically I'm thinking in whichever clan's territory they are operating in they'll make a sort of deal with the local fiefs in and around the major manufactories;
04:25.09DrodoEmpireBasically if the local fiefs give them cheap labour from there peasentry, they'll sell them small arms at a discount price to help in there little wars.
04:25.25DrodoEmpireWhere they are located? I'm not so sure yet.
04:25.36Angrybirds( http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heer_Sketeevel_Confederation_Map.png This is what we have so far. )
04:25.53AngrybirdsKnight_Alien ^ Check to see what areas are occupied
04:26.16Knight_AlienOh I see.
04:26.45Knight_AlienIll place F.E.S.  Northern Carteia Tribe
04:27.09DrodoEmpireI'm thinking in Corcyra just in general, and perhaps a smaller influence in Lacrimosae.
04:27.16DrodoEmpireThinking of actual area names
04:27.21AngrybirdsLacrimosae is off limits.
04:27.24DrodoEmpirePerhaps in all-
04:27.26DrodoEmpireHmph.
04:27.45DrodoEmpireNow why is that?
04:27.51AngrybirdsSorry, they're the ruling tribe. They kind of don't want to be trampled.
04:28.32DrodoEmpireWhile I perfectly understand they'd naturally have more integrity and power, I doubt they'd- Forget it.
04:28.47DrodoEmpireFine, alright, lemme think of a new location, then...
04:28.58DrodoEmpireAlright,
04:29.37DrodoEmpireOne larger manufactory/area in the centre of Corcyra, and two smaller ones in Sisca.
04:29.42DrodoEmpire*Siscia
04:30.24DrodoEmpireThe ones in Siscia should probably be around the border of Corcyra.
04:30.25AngrybirdsAlright, those are open. I'll need names.
04:30.32DrodoEmpireOne moment.
04:31.09AngrybirdsKnight_Alien : You'd be rather isolated should the natives rise against you.
04:31.37Knight_Alien0_0
04:31.41DrodoEmpireI can't think of them at the moment; Too tired.
04:31.46DrodoEmpireWhat's that for? :P
04:31.54AngrybirdsHm?
04:31.57DrodoEmpireAnyway, I'll have them by tomorrow, yes?
04:32.04AngrybirdsRun a random name generator?
04:32.15DrodoEmpireJust in response to Knight Alien's unusual response
04:32.17DrodoEmpireEhh...
04:32.46Knight_AlienYes?
04:33.01DrodoEmpireNo, no. I was just responding to AB
04:33.25Tek0516Kinda stuck myself in away from everyone else. XD
04:34.15Knight_AlienOh,well...Eastern Siscia maybe.
04:35.04AngrybirdsTek0516: Well, you'd have the help of French Quadrantia should bad things happen. Knight-Alien is sticking himself right in the heart of Heer Stekeveel territory where there are no quick hyperlanes or supply routes to help him.
04:35.07DrodoEmpireAB: The one in Corcyra will be the Qetesh Arms Manufactory,
04:35.37Tek0516Can you add a minor hyperlane connecting to my area?
04:35.59Tek0516nvm, didn't see it.
04:36.16DrodoEmpireAnd the two ones in Siscia will be the Reticuli and Adonis Arms manufactory, in any order.
04:36.37AngrybirdsUnderstood. Thanks Drodo!
04:36.46DrodoEmpireAnytime.
04:36.55Tek0516So what are the French running In there?
04:36.58AngrybirdsDo you want me to mark them as belonging to the DQC, or the Drodo Empire proper?
04:37.43DrodoEmpireEmpire proper.
04:37.52DrodoEmpireThe Corporation is from the Empire./
04:37.52AngrybirdsTekDroid : Some private operations as well as national shipyards for French Quadrantia.
04:38.10Tek0516Given the Farengeto wormhole I wonder which is relatively farther now, Ezlangei Occupation Zone or Quadrantia Farengeto.
04:39.30AngrybirdsQuadrantia Farengeto, definitely.
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04:40.26Tek0516Wondering if I should throw in a Tekar Corporation section too, it is Farengeto's most powerful corporation.
04:40.43Tek0516But it's mostly a technology company.
04:44.17Tek0516When you really consider, Tekar Corporation has virtually siezed control of Farengeto. XD They've created a systen used by over half of Farengeto with much of the Republic dependent on it, and it's CEO is Chancellor. XD
04:44.56OfficerJackalTop kek.
04:45.21Tek0516Totally not intentional. O.o
04:45.33OfficerJackalGHE - wat u doin' mate luk at ur self. corp everwer
04:46.56Tek0516Of course there is some other factors that make it a little less dystopian in practice. XD
04:50.22Tek0516Angrybirds: Let's give Tekar Corporation some facilities. Turn the Heer-Sketeevel into space China. :P
04:51.14AngrybirdsThat's pretty much the whole point, Tek. xD
04:51.36Tek0516I know. :P
04:52.46AngrybirdsNames?
04:53.36Tek0516Eruran.
04:54.19AngrybirdsLocation?
04:55.20Tek0516A bit to the right of Tremys-Tathil? Have them connected by a triangle if possible.
04:57.08Tek0516I've got to get up fairly early so I should probably get going.
04:57.19AngrybirdsTake care!
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05:03.14JepardiHi
05:09.21DrodoEmpireHey
05:11.33Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heer_Sketeevel_Confederation_Map.png
05:11.37AngrybirdsThere we go
05:17.19DrodoEmpiretest
05:19.37OfficerJackalDrodoEmpire: Late by two minutes loud and clear!
05:19.43DrodoEmpirelol
05:31.29AngrybirdsIn 2801, the Heer Stekeveel Confederation will adopt a Western-style flag in order to pass more easily as a recognized nation: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heer_Stekeveel_Confederation.png
05:33.47Knight_Alienlooks good.
05:34.55OfficerJackalSame opinion, looks great! :D
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05:43.49AngrybirdsLiquid_Ink : Observe––The Fiction Universe equivalent of a Third World Country: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heer_Sketeevel_Confederation_Map.png
05:44.20Liquid_InkAre those occupation zones?
05:45.09TybusenWe've essentially created Space China
05:45.21Tybusenand the best part is that Space China is going to use Space China as Space China
05:46.58Liquid_InkSpace China? In what way?
05:47.14AngrybirdsMost of the Heer Stekeveel Confederation has no industry. It's just a bunch of warring tribes living in very poor conditions. The central Lacrimosae government has so little authority in certain regions that foreign nations pretty much get away with enforcing their own laws within the regions of space around their factories and manufactories.
05:47.59AngrybirdsThe labor costs practically nothing and there's next to no government control, which makes it the perfect place to set up industry chains because your raw materials cost next to nothing.
05:49.52Liquid_InkHeh
05:50.12TybusenAnd the best part is that the EAC is going to get in on this as well
05:50.34AngrybirdsHence, the zones you see on the map are the spheres of influence of foreign economic ventures.
05:58.03TybusenI decided to test for myself the infamous inability of online translators to translate longer passages of text
05:58.39TybusenThis is the Star Trek opening narration, from English to Chinese to Japanese to Russian to Thai to Vietnamese to German and back to English:
05:58.47TybusenBoundaries final area of the Starship Enterprise Journey. To discover five-year life of their tasks and new civilizations, to explore new worlds. You go where no one previously played it safe.
05:59.49DrodoEmpirehur
06:00.29AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire: Would you be willing to sell the HS AA missiles?
06:00.54DrodoEmpireAnti-Aircraft missiles?
06:01.10DrodoEmpireWell they aren't openly for sale on, say the Arms Market,
06:01.14DrodoEmpireBut I don't see why not.
06:01.30DrodoEmpireThey'll also sell small arms and whatever else on request.
06:02.54AngrybirdsThe HSC is modernizing its military like crazy, so they'll need a lot of those.
06:03.06AngrybirdsThey also need a good MBT.
06:03.34DrodoEmpireAlright
06:04.09DrodoEmpireSo on top of selling guns to smalltime fiefs and clans, they'll also help supply the national military proper.
06:04.28DrodoEmpireSounds like a plan. >:3
06:04.42DrodoEmpireAnyway, yeah they can make use of the Goliath if they so choose.
06:05.24AngrybirdsThe Lacrimosae would want to regulate what kinds of guns the Drodo sell to the local lords, limiting them to things that don't penetrate armor.
06:05.44DrodoEmpireThey do?
06:05.45DrodoEmpireHmm...
06:05.51DrodoEmpireWe'll see about that. :P
06:06.39AngrybirdsNot abiding by those regulations would weaken relations with the Lacrimosae state, but there wouldn't be much they could do about it.
06:07.23DrodoEmpireWell the Drodo will either plead to have the regulations loosened, or just ignore it entirely.
06:08.17AngrybirdsThe Lacrimosae won't bend on that front, and if the Drodo go behind their backs with it, they'll be pretty mad.
06:08.37AngrybirdsAny idea what I should name my AA piece? It's based off of the A-1 Chassis...
06:09.00DrodoEmpireI don't know about a name. :P
06:10.05AngrybirdsTwo variants: A-1 Terminator (without the four AA missiles)
06:10.08DrodoEmpireWell they can be "mad" all they want. :P Just so long as "non-armour penetrating" means they can keep selling the big sellers; That is assault rifles and other service weapons.
06:10.40DrodoEmpireAnd perhaps to abide by regulation they can instead use conventional gunpowder instead of the other propellant they usually use.
06:10.53DrodoEmpireSo the bullet has less actual force and velocity.
06:10.53AngrybirdsAssault rifles would be fine as long as the ammunition doesn't penetrate armor.
06:11.08AngrybirdsYeah, that would placate the Lacrimosae quite a bit.
06:11.24AngrybirdsA-1 Marksman is the other, with the four AA missiles.
06:11.33DrodoEmpireI see
06:13.09AngrybirdsWhat does the Goliath look like?
06:14.27DrodoEmpireHmm...
06:14.32DrodoEmpireI haven't a model. :P
06:15.04AngrybirdsI know. I'm making one.
06:15.10DrodoEmpireI'm making it.
06:15.10DrodoEmpire:P
06:15.16DrodoEmpireOr at least I'll try.
06:15.59DrodoEmpireI have already found a good model, to which I can modify.
06:16.23DrodoEmpireI'll also make the Basilisk model while I'm at it.
06:17.17AngrybirdsAlright, cool :D
06:23.38AngrybirdsTell me when you're done with it.
06:24.38DrodoEmpireWon't be done until at least tomorrow.
06:24.41DrodoEmpireIts late. :P
06:25.11OfficerJackalstey up fagget #420 blze it slep is fr skrubs
06:25.20OfficerJackalJk. XD
06:35.03AngrybirdsOfficerJackal: Do you mind if the HS buy your bus APC?
06:35.24OfficerJackalAngryBirds: Sure!
06:35.30OfficerJackalAngrybirds: They can have it. :D
06:35.42AngrybirdsHow expensive is it?
06:36.44OfficerJackalFairly cheap in terms of buying it, although it's maintenance and reliability is only Average.
06:37.02AngrybirdsUnderstood. Since it's cheap, I'll take it.
06:37.10AngrybirdsThe model is also really nice.
06:37.23OfficerJackalThanks! :D
06:39.03OfficerJackalPeople actually like my stuff. ;~;
06:39.15OfficerJackalFeels good man.jpeg.
07:03.03OfficerJackalAlright, I'm gonna go to bed, see you all later! :D
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10:04.10Wormy* *might* bring my tablet
10:04.14Wormy*I
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10:11.50ImpyDroidHi
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11:06.10Wormyhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829162.300-pain-ray-the-us-militarys-new-agony-beam-weapon.html#.U9d3mPldV8E
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11:07.28Wormy"And soon there could be handheld versions of the pain ray"
11:07.31Wormyhi
11:07.40WormyNo thanks, don't want that on the black market
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11:10.22AdmiralPandahi oruap
11:11.11OluapPlayerhi
11:14.24Wormy"The question facing those charged with making these decisions, then, is this: do we prefer an unpredictable world of pain, or the deadlier devil we know?"
11:14.59WormyGreat so in the future I could be at risk of chavs aiming bloody pain rays at me they had illegally got hold of
11:15.44Wormylaser pens used on football pitches is bad enough
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12:03.14AdmiralPandahai buniman
12:03.40WormyRight, I'm off.  Might be on my tab in a few hours
12:03.49Wormybye
12:07.49AdmiralPandaDMing the first session of my friend's campaign tomorrow
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12:16.22dinohow is alld doing
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12:27.41Monet_Hola
12:28.11OluapPlayerhi
12:28.26AdmiralPandahi monet
12:28.34dino:D
12:29.14Monet_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Society#Immortality_Care for anyone who might not have seen last night
12:40.43Monet_Wormy and i discussed this could be a semi-secret of the IMperium.
12:48.23dinoneat
12:52.37Monet_It could make for some intriguing fiction but I'm not sure about any long-term characters
12:55.38Monet_Since a lot of them, especially as the years go by, progressively eschew face-to-face contact...
12:59.13Monet_ANd would die in earthlike gravity.
13:03.43Monet_I do have an idea however: I've mentioned before that new paragon lines are chosen by an unknown committee
13:07.22Monet_It makes sense if the committee that makes the decisions is made up of entities that are old enough to observe entire dynasties within their lifetimes.
13:09.49ImpyDroidHi Mon
13:11.32Monet_Hi
13:11.48ImpyDroidMonet_: > In order to prevent themselves going mad they fully absorb themselves in the Exonet, becoming vertiable phantoms in its trillions of chatrooms, fora, knowledgebases, streaming sites and entertainment sites.
13:12.04ImpyDroidNow we know the origin of Internet trolls
13:12.58Monet_Well, it's certainly an inversion to the idea of the internet tough guy
13:13.44ImpyDroidImagine historical shitstorms on DI forums hur
13:17.59Monet_That whiny bloke on space Reddit who aggressively compained that the $12bln drama film set during the War of Ages was complete is melancholy twaddle was in fact a 12-tonne dragon born during the time of the Assyrian EMpire
13:18.49OluapPlayerwaifu wars on the fictionverse
13:18.51OluapPlayerI bet these exist
13:19.07ImpyDroidhur
13:19.17ImpyDroidSomeone calls Iovera his waifu
13:19.28ImpyDroidThe entire Divinarium throws a collective bitchfit
13:19.36OluapPlayerThat someone is Hachi
13:20.31AdmiralPandaohgod now I'm imagining someone making a sienen (is that the right word?) anime of Hel'Bre'K
13:20.38ImpyDroidshonen
13:20.45AdmiralPandaI thought shonen was kids
13:21.05ImpyDroidWait, no, seinen
13:21.08HachimanShonen is kids
13:21.09ImpyDroidMy mistake
13:21.12HachimanSeinen is adults
13:21.14Hachimanu stoopid fuk
13:21.24AdmiralPandahur I was close
13:21.41ImpyDroidI-I-I'm sorry Hachi-sama ;~;
13:22.02AdmiralPandaat this point I'm pretty sure Hachiman is everyone's waifu
13:22.14ImpyDroidWaifu specifically
13:22.25ImpyDroidBecause no-one realises he's male hur
13:22.46AdmiralPandaon the internet, nobody realises you're an eldritch horror
13:23.02OluapPlayer>trying to steal my waifu
13:23.04OluapPlayerI will cut you
13:23.25AdmiralPandaI will cut you with a rubber spoon
13:23.39AdmiralPandaI'll make it happen somehow
13:23.48OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:M%C3%A0lh-Thaduorn anyway I got a new page up
13:24.12Monet_THis reminds me
13:24.35Monet_COngrats to the wiki for hitting 1400 pages
13:24.40ImpyDroidlook fugly hur
13:25.13OluapPlayerYou expected it to look pretty
13:25.26dino:D
13:26.44HachimanAnd also, I am making a dwarven civilization for Koldenwelt
13:27.14HachimanThe Khàrmurvahan Dwarves / Realm of Khàrmurvahan / Red-Shield Dwarves
13:27.14ImpyDroidnyan
13:27.35OluapPlayerWhich's totally not why I published the Mauler page now
13:27.38ImpyDroidWhat about those Astral Dwarves of ours?
13:27.40OluapPlayerAlso gib quot pls
13:27.58HachimanWe can work on Astral Dwarves at some point when I'm done with these, or at least partway done
13:28.12OluapPlayerdum finish your things
13:28.26ImpyDroidNo I mean in general; remember them?
13:28.26Monet_"humid scales" sounds odd to me
13:28.33ImpyDroidWell you do hur
13:28.34HachimanYes I do remember them
13:29.31Monet_OluapPlayer: Just to clarify when you say they have humid scales what image are you trying to present?
13:29.43ImpyDroidHmmm
13:30.00ImpyDroidI actually wonder if the classical dorf-elf animosity exists in the Fantasyverse
13:30.03OluapPlayerTheir scales look like they're wet
13:30.17HachimanI don't think it would, really
13:30.21ImpyDroidAs of now the main enemy of elves are the humans, not the dwarves
13:30.42HachimanDwarves are just as commonplace as men and elves
13:30.42Monet_"moist" or "damp" is a better word.
13:30.50Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/8YWaH75.png?1 Also, first look at my dorfs
13:30.54OluapPlayerright
13:31.04Monet_Humidity is to do with the amount of water vapour in the air
13:31.11dinonice creature oluap
13:31.13dinolooks coolio
13:31.15dinoquoted!
13:31.23OluapPlayerAll of these words have the same meaning in portuguese
13:31.26OluapPlayerTahnks dino
13:31.31dino:D
13:31.36Monet_English is a pain like that lol
13:37.09HachimanI can imagine that dwarves universally prefer to use magic runes and such rather than become spellcasters
13:39.07OluapPlayerI'd make proper dwarves but I can't create anything new anymore
13:39.12OluapPlayerMy creativity has ran dry
13:40.37Monet_My tip for artist's block is to explore. Look around the internet, visit stuff like museums or galleries
13:41.05OluapPlayerEverything I could do either has already been done or is too cliche to be interesting
13:42.42ImpyDroidHachiman: They remind me of the Dark Iron dwarves from Warcraft
13:42.54HachimanDark Iron?
13:43.49Monet_One of the drawbacks to going for trendsetting or complete originality: There's always the chance someone on the other side of the world has doen what you have.
13:43.51ImpyDroidYeah
13:44.08Monet_But the best solution I really can give is broaden your sampling pool.
13:44.10HachimanThe advantage to that; motivation for you to do it better
13:44.11ImpyDroidhttp://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq111/Darcubus/DarkIron_zps7e2504ef.jpg They look like this
13:45.08Monet_I watch dragon artists whos' anatomical inspiration comes from studying the anatomies of cats and horses.
13:45.10ImpyDroidBasically the Dark Irons are the "evil" dwarves who have betrayed the other dwarf clans and fled south
13:45.27OluapPlayerEither these or I can't find a way to fit the thing I want in fiction
13:45.36ImpyDroidThen they tried to summon a fire elemental to protect them but ended up getting enslaved by him hur
13:46.36OluapPlayerI had an idea for a character who was an incredibly posh guy who went around hunting mythical creatures for the thrill of it, but there's no way for this character to interact with others
13:48.00Monet_ImpyDroid: Correction, the master of all fire elementals
13:48.16ImpyDroidBY FIRE BE PURGED
13:49.07ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: You could do solo fiction with that guy
13:49.15ImpyDroidPerhaps even narrated by him
13:49.36OluapPlayerThat'd be pointless
13:50.00Monet_We wouldn't have Incognito b that logic.
13:51.09OluapPlayerIncognito was made to interact with other characters at a later point, he isn't purely solo-fiction
13:52.24ImpyDroidAlso consider the possibilities for character development
13:52.41Monet_Yes but if I recall Xho didn't originally make him with the intent to interact with other Dysnomia characters.
13:53.45ImpyDroidThis guy *could* start off as an egotistical hunter and then, after working together with the heroes for his own selfish reasons have a change of heart
13:53.50ImpyDroidFor example
13:54.18ImpyDroidAlso given the description you gave to the guy, this hunter just *screams* to be Klaxxa hur
13:54.30OluapPlayerI wanted him to be either human or Klaxxa
13:54.54OluapPlayerBut if my only option is solo fiction then I won't bother
13:55.43ImpyDroidAgain, a lot of stories involve hunting; he could join for fame only and then grow a conscience etc
13:56.11Monet_I've had difficulties logically putting Marcos in fiction because he cannot really handle staying in one place for too long.
13:57.50Monet_If he did, wherever he settled would eventually become overrun with  Exos
14:01.38AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: Why not spend some time teaming up with Bastion? He does it for fun, Bastion does it for a cause, there'd be some interesting dialogue there as well as the action
14:02.05OluapPlayerTeaming up doing what
14:02.14OluapPlayerTheir goals don't fit
14:02.22AdmiralPandahunting mythical creatures that happen to be evil
14:02.31AdmiralPandaI'm sure they'd bump into each other at some point
14:02.34OluapPlayerThis hunter doesn't hunt evil creatures
14:02.37OluapPlayerHe hunts wildlife
14:02.48AdmiralPandaeh, I tried
14:03.04OluapPlayerHydras, basilisks, cockatrices, this is what I mean by mythical creatures
14:03.24AdmiralPandaa lot of those are, if not evil, certainly harmful to mortals
14:03.29AdmiralPandathat's reason enough for Bastion to get involved
14:03.57OluapPlayerI guess you have a poit
14:03.59OluapPlayerpoint*
14:04.16AdmiralPandaalso this reminds me, how many dark magic/lunar-themed organisations are there in the fantasyverse?
14:04.21Monet_If it helps on the interaction side, does he sell body parts or hides of his kills?
14:04.50OluapPlayerHe probably does, I imagine he just likes keeping the heads as trophies
14:05.14Monet_In a fantasy setting even the richest need a livelihood.
14:05.20OluapPlayerIt's a bit difficult getting fantasy races for him to hunt considering most of them are sapient in the fantasyverse
14:06.05Monet_Even the classic "rich noble who doesn't do anything" has a piece of the country generating him money via taxes.
14:07.41Monet_MAybe he's some kind of bounty hunter?
14:09.05OluapPlayerI don't see that being fitting unless the bounty is some kind of fantastic creature
14:09.16OluapPlayerHe isn't interested in fighting other people
14:09.22Monet_That's how Geralt of Rivia from the Witcher series gets by
14:10.41Monet_Because we're in a fantasy setting, I'm sure bounty hunters aren't restricted to hunting humans or elves.
14:11.25Hachiman*or dwarves hur
14:12.15Monet_You say most of the mythical creatures he'd hunt are sapient, how's to say the job issuers have to care about that?
14:12.22Monet_who's*
14:12.41ImpyDroidHm I had a thought
14:12.49OluapPlayerI said he hunts wildlife, he has no interest in fighting other sapients
14:13.02OluapPlayerThe more this goes the more I can see how flawed this idea is
14:13.08ImpyDroidMaybe there could be an orc/dwarf rivalry in the Fantasyverse?
14:13.29ImpyDroidSince the elves are already taken by humans
14:13.34OluapPlayerIsn't human/elf hate already enough
14:14.03Monet_[15:05] <@OluapPlayer> It's a bit difficult getting fantasy races for him to hunt considering most of them are sapient in the fantasyverse >. these were your words nd I was trying to find a loophole
14:15.16OluapPlayerIt's difficult because most of them areall sapient, and he hunts wildlife
14:15.16OluapPlayer*are
14:17.51HachimanI imagine that if the dwarves do have grudges, it's unlikely it's universal for all dwarves
14:17.51HachimanOne dwarf nation's hate isn't anothers
14:18.17Monet_OluapPlayer: If he's posh and a human/Klaxxa could it be possible that he *thinks* stuff like hydras, basilisks and cockatrice are effectively beasts?
14:18.43OluapPlayerAnd they are
14:18.51OluapPlayerI mentioned these because they are not sapient
14:19.06Monet_Okay...different examples
14:19.09Monet_Gnolls.
14:19.55OluapPlayerI don't know if it'd be worth the trouble
14:20.07Monet_Solitary draonoggr?
14:21.01OluapPlayerI mean I don't think this character is worth all this trouble
14:21.11OluapPlayerI shouldn't have mentioned it
14:22.19Monet_Yeah i've given up as well.
14:22.44Monet_Its a solid idea, the problem I see is you don't want a solofic.
14:23.19OluapPlayerThe idea is inheritly flawed
14:23.44Monet_I won't bother arguing.
14:25.51ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: To the "isn't elf/human hate enough"
14:26.18ImpyDroidWhat's wrong with different races having prejudices against each other? It's realistic
14:26.20Monet_ImpyDroid: No.
14:26.29ImpyDroidUh?
14:26.36ImpyDroidWhat do you mean, Mon
14:26.48OluapPlayerIt limits us and makes interaction difficult
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14:26.54TekDroidHello!
14:26.57ImpyDroidHi
14:27.29ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: I don't see why
14:27.54ImpyDroidRace-wide prejudice is one thing, individual characters interacting is another
14:27.59OluapPlayerNevermind
14:28.02OluapPlayerJusr forget it
14:28.32HachimanImpyDroid: Koldenwelt doesn't need to get any more hate-y and racist
14:28.42HachimanWe already have a big enough divide with humans and elves
14:29.02ImpyDroidrite
14:29.21Monet_Wierd how we don't get these arguments in the fictionverse.
14:29.47ImpyDroidFictionverse is a more modern, tolerant place :P
14:30.15Monet_I mean no one's complainging about "too much racism" with the 1st gig
14:30.37Monet_We have plenty of examples.
14:31.49TekDroidSo my Spore is messed up. :/
14:32.27TekDroidA bunch of the UI has been replaced with white boxes.
14:32.45Monet_TekDroid: Try restarting the game
14:33.12TekDroidI have. Many times. First noticed it last night.
14:33.29TekDroidI think the game might be missing files. :/
14:33.46Monet_I'm going to drop the topic we've been on in the last hour. I'm feeling too much negativity.
14:34.00Monet_TekDroid: Do you have the Steam version of the disk version of Spore?
14:34.29AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: the difference between say, Golarion's racism (Pathfinder world) and generic elves hate dwarves is that it's the product of thousands of years of philosophical difference, which is actually realistic, rather than just slotting in racism wherever possible
14:34.34TekDroidYeah. Thinking I should deauthorize and reinstall.
14:35.06ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Ya
14:35.11AdmiralPandathe real reason we don't have much racism in the gigaquadrant is A) factions have rarely known each other long enough to form such prejudices, and B) there are rarely that significant a cultural or philosophical difference
14:37.12TekDroidHm, the graphics are fine on base Spore...
14:40.16AdmiralPandaomfg, a guy and a girl wanted to have a LotR themed wedding, next minute their best men/bridesmaids all dress up as ring wraiths, the minister dressed up as Sauron, and all the guests dressed up as Rohirim, Men of Gondor and Elves
14:40.29Hachimanolol
14:40.46AdmiralPandathis almost makes me want to have a Commoragh-themed wedding if it ever happens, but it might get confused for a BDSM orgy
14:41.16ImpyDroidI heard of people having a Nazi-themed wedding
14:41.16HachimanI wonder if marriage will ever become obsolete in the future
14:41.19AdmiralPandaoh god I just imagined a motor-trike being converted into a Venom
14:41.24MonetSemiUnderstandable. Among the Dark Elves there'd be no difference.
14:41.29ImpyDroidHachiman: Doubt it
14:41.42AdmiralPandaHachiman: "Gay marriage violates the sanctity of my fifth marriage"
14:41.53ImpyDroidIt's too ancient and ... biological a concept
14:42.04AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: It's not a biological concept
14:42.05HachimanMarriage isn't biological
14:42.06MonetSemi"I pronounce you husband and wife, you may now rape the bride"
14:42.12AdmiralPandain fact it's the exact opposite of our biological inclination
14:42.22HachimanMarriage is a religious ceremony
14:42.25ImpyDroidI am speaking metaphorically
14:42.28HachimanWhich is why I'll probably never have one
14:42.35ImpyDroidHachiman: In our country it is civil
14:42.52AdmiralPandahe means it has religious origin
14:42.56MonetSemiThere are people who get married by buying a certificate at a local courthouse
14:43.21TekDroidhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140729144157/spore/images/9/9b/Spore_white_UI.jpg This is just a sample of my issue. :/
14:43.31MonetSemiAnd I will shove a barbed stick up the arse of whoever accuses it of being a Christian idea!
14:43.39AdmiralPandaI for one think it'd be amazing to live in a supportive pansexual community
14:43.43ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Not exactly, long-term relationships are natural
14:43.50AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: Not for humans
14:44.04HachimanHumans never used to be long-term relationship creatures
14:44.14ImpyDroidEvolution-wise, they help raising a child
14:44.16AdmiralPandaOur entire branch of the family tree is all about the harems man
14:44.21AdmiralPandaalso untrue
14:44.30AdmiralPandawhy have one woman raise a child when the whole tribe can?
14:44.35Hachiman^
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14:44.46JepardiHi
14:45.00ImpyDroidNot in the modern world hur
14:45.02AdmiralPandamarriage is a purely societal construct which actually harms the evolutionary advancement of the species as a whole
14:45.03ImpyDroidHi
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14:45.09Sporeraptorhi
14:45.29MonetSemiI think marriage will stay around because its too ancient a concept to erase.
14:45.48AdmiralPandapersonally I don't think I'd ever get married, even if there was one person I loved above all others. It doesn't mean I love them any less than a married couple
14:45.53MonetSemiPLus it is also has romantic connotations
14:46.04HachimanAdmiralPanda: Exactly, I feel the same way
14:46.08AdmiralPandaI'd rather be free to love as many people as I can
14:46.53MonetSemiI'd say one argument for the concept of marriage is that women aren't okay with their man sleeping with other women.
14:47.09AdmiralPandaAgain I'd point that to society
14:47.10MonetSemiEven when a pair is at the boyfroiend-girlfiriend stage
14:47.24ImpyDroidWill I be called backwards if I say I can't imagine my life without marriage?
14:47.35AdmiralPandaAs I said, go one step up the evolutionary tree and we have harems
14:47.51AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: If you want to then go for it, it's just not for me
14:48.08ImpyDroidMaybe it's the cultural differences
14:48.12MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: I'd say it has some biological roots. Basically, if you're a woman and your boyfriend bangs another woman, you'd want to know why he's banging her and not you.
14:48.22ImpyDroidI'm Korean-Russian after all
14:48.38ImpyDroidOr is it "Korean Russian"?
14:48.40MonetSemiThere's jealousy within the concept of an affair.
14:48.58AdmiralPandaMonetSemi: As I said, go back a step and we have situations where all the women care about is being with the best male
14:48.59ImpyDroidOr the fact that you wish to preserve your genes
14:49.24MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: Wasn't that back when women had fewer privelages?
14:49.45HachimanKeep in mind that women cheat just as much as men do
14:50.07AdmiralPandathat was back when society didn't exist, and even if we look at societal examples, in polygamous cultures you have jealousy-free relationships where multiple women are betrothed to one man
14:50.24HachimanAnd vice versa, I hope :D
14:50.26MonetSemiLike Saudi-Arabia?
14:50.35AdmiralPandaall across asia really
14:50.52AdmiralPandathere's one guy in the Phillipines who practically has a whole town related to him because he has 63 wives
14:50.55MonetSemiAnd the middle-east has a reputation for putting women down culturally.
14:51.12MonetSemiThe phillipines.
14:51.35MonetSemiI can't help noticing that these places - the Phillipines and the middle-east have a largely Muslim population.
14:51.48HachimanI might make marriage null for dwarves so they're allowed to fuck whoever they want how many times they want, both male and female
14:52.08ImpyDroidThat doesn't fit the dwarven theme for me hur
14:52.10AdmiralPandaAw, and I was just about to have an excuse to call you racist :P
14:52.12ImpyDroidElves maybe
14:52.26HachimanImpyDroid: I hate the narrow view of dwarven stereotypes
14:52.36HachimanI want to make them at least *somewhat* different
14:52.52ImpyDroidTrue, dwarves are rarely unique in fiction
14:53.02MonetSemiIt may sound racist but Islam does have a track record for reduced rights for women.
14:53.06ImpyDroidMaybe it's because of their collectivism?
14:53.19AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: Have you ever seen turkish-themed dwarves? One of the best deviances I've ever seen in a D&D setting
14:53.33ImpyDroidMonetSemi: Well first of all, Islam has followers from all races :P
14:53.35AdmiralPandaMonet: So does Christianity and Judaism.
14:53.48ImpyDroidSo, it's religious discrimination, not racism
14:53.51AdmiralPandaSo does all of human history really
14:54.00ImpyDroidSave for the Basque
14:54.06ImpyDroidAnd a few other peoples
14:54.40MonetSemiWhat i'm seeing here is that polyamous beliefs often coincide with faiths that treat women as less than men.
14:55.04AdmiralPandaFurthermore, so does our evolutionary history- Homo Erectus (cue Hachi laughing) congregated in small tribes dominated by the strongest male
14:55.18HachimanHehehe
14:55.19HachimanHomo
14:55.25ImpyDroidlike u
14:55.37AdmiralPandaAlmost every culture I've heard of except pagan lunar worship has at some point had a stance that viewed women as inferior to men
14:55.49HachimanBuddhism?
14:55.52AdmiralPandaHachiman: And here I thought you were going to make a joke about the name Erectus :P
14:55.55MonetSemiOkay so in terms of evolution there's nothing wrong with men fucking as many women as they want.
14:55.59AdmiralPandaI did say almost :P
14:56.01ImpyDroidBuddhism originayed in India
14:56.18ImpyDroidAnd I think there was some sexism there
14:56.29HachimanAlso Spartan culture allowed women to do whatever they wanted I think
14:56.35AdmiralPanda^
14:56.40ImpyDroidExcept fighting hur
14:56.42HachimanHomosexuality was allowed as well I believe
14:56.50AdmiralPandaSpartan women fought too
14:56.51ImpyDroidIt was a NORM
14:57.02MonetSemiHowever if evolutinon was the perfect source for social ideas then our world leaders should all be the strongest male.
14:57.08AdmiralPandaWhat mattered with homosexuality in greece was who was the dominant one
14:57.14ImpyDroidLike, if yoy were a true man you had to fuck a few to prove it hur
14:58.09AdmiralPandaMonet: "Strongest" or "Fittest" in the darwinian sense has multiple meanings, and the only reason we don't still have that system is everyone decided that the public was the best judge of character
14:59.02AdmiralPandaRight up until the invention of Democracy we still more or less followed the model of the most fitting individual leading society, really
14:59.02MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: In terms of a tribal society, basically the tribe gathered together and drove the local alpha out of the village.
14:59.26AdmiralPandaPrecisely, and people wonder why we have regression :P
14:59.50MonetSemiDefine regression?
15:00.00ImpyDroidThe problem is, power tends to separate people feom reality
15:00.23AdmiralPandaJust to use Australia as an example, the level of progress we've been making has fallen off ridiculously since John Howard was in office
15:00.24HachimanSo really, primitive and tribal culture is actually largely idealistic for modern needs?
15:00.31MonetSemiIf you mean physical regression, notice how modern industry favours intelligence over strength.
15:01.12AdmiralPandaJohn was chosen because people knew he was good at his job, his usurper Kevin Rudd was a popular twat who had no clue what he was doing
15:01.31ImpyDroidOchlocracy, ladies and gentlemen
15:01.50ImpyDroidThen again, an authoritarian rule rarely changes anything
15:02.07ImpyDroidLook at my country :P
15:02.16ImpyDroid*no an
15:02.27AdmiralPandaI'm reminded of our earlier discussion about Star Trek's horrible handling of warrior races
15:02.43AdmiralPandathe whole Klingon Promotion thing is actually a brilliant social element, when you think about it
15:03.13AdmiralPandait forces the lower orders to constantly improve, and the higher orders to be constantly vigilant, otherwise they're doomed
15:03.26MonetSemiReminds me of school tbh
15:03.51AdmiralPandaSame thing in Commoragh, you can't afford to take one step out of line or you're dead for good- you always have to be on top of the competition
15:04.37MonetSemiBut...both those societies are on a knife-edge.
15:04.50MonetSemiEven if you were careful as you could be, you'd still die
15:05.23AdmiralPandaEven so, you'll either achieve your maximum potential before you die, or you'll fade away before you cause any harm
15:08.18MonetSemiI think that humans might be too numerous t orely on tribal or pack systems.
15:08.51AdmiralPandaYou seem to have a tendency to use the word "tribal" to describe anything meritocratic
15:09.56MonetSemiOne of the advantages that alphas in native villages had is that everyone knew him. In our modern world we can live our entire lives without ever meeting our leaders. Our knowledge of them is filtered down a long chain of people
15:09.56AdmiralPandaThe main barrier that I can see to humans really adopting such a system is we tend to be lazy
15:10.59MonetSemiYes modern leaders still perform PR stunts but there will *still* be a good potion of the population who never do meet their leaders.
15:11.25AdmiralPandaWhether or not you know the leader is irrelevant to their ability to lead, honestly
15:11.46AdmiralPandaChurchill was a brilliant leader, well deserving of his office, but I doubt many people actually knew him
15:12.09MonetSemiWell, here's an example: George W. Bush. Everyone knows him as a retarded fuckwit right?
15:12.25AdmiralPandaAnd he's a wonderful example of popularity winning out over ability
15:12.28AdmiralPandabut go on
15:12.46MonetSemiHe happens to be a retarded fuckwit who has flown for the USAF.
15:12.59MonetSemiIf media is to be believed
15:13.31ImpyDroidThat's problem with oyr education systems hur
15:13.32AdmiralPandaHis ability to fly for the USAF doesn't have anything to do with his political ability.
15:14.00AdmiralPandaYou're kinda proving my own point here, in that the worst politicians are elected for things other than their political ability :P
15:14.22MonetSemiRetards don't fly jet fighters.
15:14.26ImpyDroidWe could revive the mandarin system of Imperial China, which was quite close to a meritocracy
15:14.32ImpyDroidBut again, CORRUPTION
15:14.43ImpyDroid*imperial mandarin examination
15:14.50AdmiralPandaThis makes me wonder, what would have happened if, once Hitler rebuilt Germany, it was handed over to a moderate who could maintain it while they found someone stable who could improve it further
15:15.20AdmiralPandathat's what Australia used to do, the liberals would improve the country, then the conservatives would maintain it while building up more resources for the liberals to improve it again
15:15.23ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Highly unlikely; Hitler essentially created an economy that had to be fed by war
15:16.04AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: He did a fair bit before the war started
15:16.30ImpyDroidYa, but again, the resources for further rebuilding did not come out of nowhere
15:16.40AdmiralPandaEven better, if he was kept as the face of Germany and did what he did really well, which is motivate people, while the smart people did the running
15:16.47MonetSemiMy point with Bush is he's smarter than popular opinion suggets.
15:17.08AdmiralPandaMonetSemi: You really didn't make that point clear at all
15:17.13ImpyDroidHe was still a warmonger
15:17.28ImpyDroidTen times worse than Putin, even
15:18.02AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: He did a lot of terrible things, but he's also responsible for a great many good things.
15:18.17ImpyDroidI am referring to Bush
15:19.06AdmiralPandaoh right
15:19.24MonetSemiEh, He *was* paired with Cheney during his adminsitration.
15:19.32AdmiralPandaNot American so I won't comment, I only know he botched the handling of a disaster
15:19.45ImpyDroidHitler was decent, yeah, but he was incompetent when it came to actually controlling an army
15:20.36ImpyDroidHad he been not so obsessed over maintaining his control over everything, yeah he'd be quite a good leader; his main problem was the convoluted hierarchy he left
15:20.38AdmiralPanda^
15:20.47MonetSemiThis is my point - Because Bush was distant to mose of us )and most of us would never talk to him in person) we have to rely on media opinion, general opinion of Bush was worped because the USA, the human population, was too large for everyone to give a persona laccount.
15:21.02ImpyDroidWow, people actually agree with me on something
15:21.16ImpyDroidNyan ●~●
15:21.24AdmiralPandaThis is my point, if they kept Hitler as the face but had the actual smart people running things, heil ze master race!
15:21.49MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: Wolfenstein The New Order.
15:21.55MonetSemiDoes prettymuch that
15:21.59AdmiralPandaPrecisely
15:22.23ImpyDroidFunny thing is for all my dislike of Hitler I'd probably be somewhat of an elite in my country by Hitler's standards hur
15:22.59AdmiralPandathe big problem with Hitler's plan is what happens when the Jews run out
15:23.13AdmiralPandathat's why he needed someone smart backing him up
15:23.21AdmiralPandathe brains behind the mouth so to speak
15:23.22MonetSemiI'm 2/3 of the way though the story and so far mention of Hitler (or "our glorious leader" as the game presents him as) has been nonexistent outside of PR events and speeches.
15:23.52ImpyDroidThat, and dumping the brains of your nation into concentration camps was pretty stupid
15:24.07HachimanThe brains and a large majority of your national braun
15:24.07MonetSemiConsidering that this game is a continuation of the entire series I don't even know if it IS hitler the newspapers talk about
15:24.16AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: Ever hear of Pol Pot's agrarian reforms?
15:24.29AdmiralPandaMonetSemi: Canonically Hitler is dead at this point, twice in fact
15:24.31ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Why of couese
15:24.39ImpyDroidPol Pot is just an idiot hur
15:24.45AdmiralPandaImp: Now THAT is an example of general retardation
15:24.48MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: Heil Mecha-Hitler
15:25.10AdmiralPandaI have to be honest, I would vote really hard for Mecha-John Howard
15:25.32ImpyDroidI mean a great deal of Germany's scientists and artists were Jewish
15:25.40HachimanFuck you all, Mecha-Roosevelt or Mecha-George Washington
15:25.51ImpyDroidMecha-Putin
15:25.56MonetSemiHachiman: They're skeletons though
15:26.10AdmiralPandaOn a completely random offshoot, I just remembered one of the best quotes ever
15:26.12HachimanAll hail our spooky leaders of Mankind
15:26.20MonetSemiI thought I heard somewhere that concentration camps were prototyped in Germany but Hitler opposed the idea of packing Germans in such places.
15:26.34AdmiralPandaAlbert Einstein was asked "How does it feel to be the smartest man alive?" His response was "I don't know, you'll have to go ask Nicola Tesla"
15:26.42ImpyDroidPutin was actually once asked by a Russian guy about whether or not Russia would utilise mechas for protecting ussian borders
15:26.45Hachimanolol
15:26.57HachimanEverybody loves Tesla
15:26.58ImpyDroidHe answered that it is not impossible
15:27.20AdmiralPandaImpyDroid: There was a petition to pour a significant amount of our defence funding into development of cybernetic war suits for national defence here in Australia
15:27.55AdmiralPandaHachiman: Tesla wanted to make electricity free to the world. What's not to love?
15:27.55MonetSemiIf we're opting for ressurected mecha-leaders of mankind then I vote for mecha-Suleiman.
15:28.07AdmiralPandaMonet: I don't, he was a scapegoat leader
15:28.22MonetSemiEh?
15:28.32MonetSemiI thought he reformed the Ottoman Empire.
15:28.34AdmiralPandaThe reason he's famous is because he wanted to surrender, so the Europeans painted him as the hero
15:28.45AdmiralPandaotherwise we'd associate Baybars with that particular campaign
15:29.11ImpyDroidLike Gorbachev?
15:29.23AdmiralPandadoes not know this Gorbachev
15:29.33ImpyDroidHe is considered to be a hero by you, right?
15:29.42ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: The last ruler of the USSR
15:29.47MonetSemiActually on second thoughts. Fuck it  Immortal leaders are flawed by their longevity.
15:29.50AdmiralPandayeah never heard of him
15:30.15MonetSemiWashington and Roosevelt were great men...for their time.
15:30.18ImpyDroidMecha-Putin is still superior
15:30.26HachimanThis is largely why the Zazane want to out Tyraz
15:30.31ImpyDroidPowered by Ukrainian pig fat
15:30.45HachimanIt's not healthy for a nation of warriors to be led by a demonic, immortal midget
15:30.55AdmiralPandaThe only Russian hero of the USSR I know of is a girl called Emily who picked up a rifle to protect her school, and ended up a famous sniper
15:31.09MonetSemiImpyDroid: Reminds me of the story of Prince Charles unveling a personal car that runs on wine.
15:31.25AdmiralPandaand I only know about her because I went through a "snipers are cool" phase
15:31.34HachimanBut
15:31.37HachimanSnipers are cool
15:31.41HachimanAs exampled by Kalcedia :P
15:31.45AdmiralPandaOk, let me rephrase
15:31.45MonetSemiWhite Death ftw
15:31.49HachimanAww yiss
15:31.53HachimanWhite Death <3
15:31.53AdmiralPandaSnipers were to me what katanas are to cultists
15:32.09AdmiralPandawut is White Death?
15:32.24HachimanYou DON'T know who White Death is and you went through a "snipers are cool" phase?
15:32.24ImpyDroidFinnish sniper dude
15:32.31ImpyDroidKilled lots of our dudes
15:32.53MonetSemiSOme Norweigan who, during the Russian invasion of Finland took up a hunting rifle, an SMG and camped out in the Finnish woods in winter and killed over 500 RUssians
15:32.59MonetSemiSome FIn*
15:33.05ImpyDroidHachiman: Kalcedia is a *Little* White Death
15:33.12HachimanOhgod
15:33.45HachimanWhite Death killed over 500 Russian soldiers by himself, including counter snipers, with little more than a hunting rifle, an SMG and a basic scope
15:33.50AdmiralPandaI knew who he was but I didn't know his title
15:33.55MonetSemiRussia went as far to carpet-bomb the forest he was hiding in and he *still* continued ot kill before finally being shot in the face
15:34.19HachimanHe lived through that as well
15:34.38ImpyDroidFrankly though, our failures there were mostly because Mr. Jugashvili was a retard
15:34.43HachimanHe was knocked unconscious for about a week I think then he got up and found out the invasion was over
15:35.16ImpyDroidAnd sent uprepared troops from the FUCKING CENTRAL ASIA to Finland
15:35.18AdmiralPandathis reminds me of a character in Monster Blood Tattoo, he got gutted by a monster, proceeded to murder that monster, then got branded with a tattoo that granted him said monster's regenerative powers, enabling him to survive
15:36.02ImpyDroidHe also got scarred heavily and had one of his facial bones replaced by a bone from the leg
15:36.27MonetSemiEven if he was a retard, he was a damn scary one
15:36.47HachimanYou calling White Death a tard?
15:37.00ImpyDroidI am calling our leader at the time a tard
15:37.14ImpyDroidAs I said, Mr. Jugashvili
15:37.25MonetSemiI can't remember White Death's real name sorry
15:37.33HachimanSimo Haiha
15:37.38HachimanI think that's how you spell it
15:37.39MonetSemiThank you
15:37.50AdmiralPandait has some fancy finnish additions to it, but that's about right
15:38.05ImpyDroidThey're called diacritics
15:38.38ImpyDroidFor all the accomplishments of the Finnish, their greatest resource was our incompetence
15:38.41HachimanI wonder if modern human nations in the Sporewikiverse are prone to cloning/recreating the deadliest and most efficient soldiers in history and having them fight on the frontlines for them
15:38.43MonetSemiHäyhä
15:39.06ImpyDroidHachiman: Legion of Hachis
15:39.10Hachimanhue
15:39.23AdmiralPanda0.0 Hel'Bre'K has a metric fuckton of weapons on him (I just decided to put some thought into it)
15:39.51MonetSemiHachiman: That's what House Khaxvis did with Oniron Voxis
15:40.14AdmiralPandatwo falcata, two longswords, a greatsword, two parrying blades, two punch daggers, four shortswords, twenty knives balanced for throwing, and over three hundred individual blades making up his cloak
15:40.25MonetSemiAnd there was talk during ice-age of cloning him from a recovered wing in Ice Age
15:40.45HachimanI wonder about the state of the samurai in the modern Yamato Intersolar Commune; perhaps they're still the Emperor's/Prime Minister's honour guard and are both advanced and highly-competent melee fighters as well as starship admirals
15:40.49AdmiralPandaif he has his shield on him, he then has two more shortswords, and the bladed edge of his shield itself
15:41.12MonetSemiAdmiralPnda: Surely he doesn't carry all of that at once.
15:41.25AdmiralPandaMonet: He does, I figured out the mounting for it al
15:41.34MonetSemiThat's a lot of weight though
15:41.53AdmiralPandaHe is a Fordanta wearing a musculature-enhancing bodysuit
15:41.56MonetSemiReminds me of all these shooters that allow your character to carry every type of weaon in the game on their person
15:42.44AdmiralPandaHachiman: The way I see things, they'd have kept the katana as a symbol of office, but like their predecessors their ranged weapon would be their primary weapon
15:42.49MonetSemiAside fro mweight, there's also manouverability.
15:42.56HachimanAye makes sense
15:43.36HachimanI can imagine YIC samurai being born through extensive eugenics practices and gene-mods
15:43.59MonetSemiOne slight issue with cloning or recreating soldiers I think is adapting them to the present.
15:44.11HachimanMuch like how ancient samurai were above peasants because of nobility
15:44.37MonetSemiWhen Captain America was unfrozen, the common image is he steps out into the modern world and his mind caves in.
15:45.13AdmiralPandaMonet: Actually, only the longswords and parrying blades could interfere with mobility, everything else is either flush with his body plates or mounted on an antigravity platform hovering off his back
15:47.06ImpyDroidIf YSE has samurai, EAC should have hwarang hur
15:49.42AdmiralPanda"If a man should lie with another man he should be stoned" - Clearly the bible is telling us to legalise Gay Marriage and Marijuana at the same time
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15:50.31AdmiralPandahi oluap
15:50.51ImpyDroidHi
15:51.05ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: ...genius
15:51.09HachimanHai
15:51.10ImpyDroidYou dsserve an internet
15:51.18AdmiralPandaBut I already have the internet
15:51.25AdmiralPandaIt looks pretty on the mantlepiece
15:52.24AdmiralPandaohgod guys, I'm going to be silent for the next five minutes or so, some guy just decided to challenge me to an argument about the rights of gays to marry. This is gonna be good
15:52.51ImpyDroidYou're lucky
15:53.15ImpyDroidI get into arguments about the rights of gays to *live*
15:53.19ImpyDroidWelcome to Russia
15:54.44AdmiralPandanevermind, he gave up
15:54.51Hachimanrite finally finished outfitting dorfs
15:55.05AdmiralPandaHe quoted Leviticus and I turned it around, strapped it to a chainsaw and shoved it up his arse :P
15:55.34ImpyDroidLeviticus has lots of stuff
15:55.56ImpyDroidNone of which are usually followed by modern Christians *save for this one*
15:56.02MonetSemiIf God was infallible and all-knowing he would have realised that "stoned" will one day mean "to get high on drugs"
15:56.42Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/b3nWMfn.png?1 How does this look?
15:57.31MonetSemiThat's some pretty nice armour, loving the beard.
15:57.43ImpyDroidLooks cool
15:58.26MonetSemiHis neck seems a bit long for "stout" but then again perhaps thse Dwarves are not the kind who are so broad that you could roll one down the hill like a log.
15:58.49HachimanYeah these Dwarves aren't just legs, arms and beard
15:58.56HachimanThey do have necks hur
15:59.41MonetSemiDon't forget belly.
15:59.53HachimanAye
16:00.31HachimanThese Dwarves are intended to be muscular or athletic rather than beer belly
16:01.16MonetSemiWell.
16:01.21MonetSemi"althletic" yeah
16:01.33MonetSemiBut don't forget proper strongmen have both muscle *and* gut
16:01.49HachimanTrue
16:01.53HachimanBut then again
16:01.58HachimanArtistic license :P
16:03.21MonetSemiYeah but part of the cirticism with artistic lisence comes from misinformation on the artist's part.
16:03.38MonetSemiMAybe these dwarves are better at running and acrobatics than heavy lifting?
16:03.41AdmiralPandaNow THIS http://static4.gamespot.com/uploads/screen_kubrick/1179/11799911/2514808-braum.jpg is a man you can stand behind
16:04.16MonetSemiTo hide lol
16:04.24HachimanAye, reliability has run in the Armstrong family for generations
16:04.38AdmiralPandaThat be Braum hur
16:04.42AdmiralPandayou should stand behind him
16:04.59MonetSemiArmstrong?
16:05.08AdmiralPandawhich reminds me, I want to expy Bayonetta
16:05.13AdmiralPandasooooo badly
16:05.50MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: Don't forget her outfit hairstyle then.
16:06.17AdmiralPandadon't think I'm gonna do the wicked weave thing, but I might have her more powerful attacks result in her showing a bit of skin
16:07.33AdmiralPandaThat or go for a mix of Vayne, Lucian and Bayonetta
16:07.47AdmiralPandaactually mostly Lucian and Bayonetta
16:07.52MonetSemiMy understanding of the common Jock image is that the physique is a mix of athleticism and brute strength.
16:08.04HachimanI wonder what the height of Koldenwelt Dwarves would be
16:08.11AdmiralPandahave the guns be the magical part, and her just being really athletic and flirty
16:08.13HachimanI'm thinking 5ft or around that should be maximum
16:08.32ImpyDroidHow much is that in meters?
16:08.34AdmiralPandaI'm gonna go expand the Order of the Sable Rose page
16:08.41ImpyDroidstoopid imperial system
16:08.46MonetSemiIn American football you need powerful sprinter's legs to bound across the field but also considerable upper body strength to break out of pileups and barge other players out of your way.
16:08.48AdmiralPandaalso, do you guys think I should make a Damsel character first or a Knight character?
16:08.56MonetSemiImpyDroid: 1.5m
16:08.58HachimanDamsel
16:09.01ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Ladies first
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16:09.10HachimanHai Drodo
16:09.13ImpyDroidhi
16:09.17AdmiralPandaMorgana expy incoming :P
16:09.18DrodoEmpireHey
16:09.38ImpyDroidHm guys
16:09.47MonetSemiI was going to joke and say our dwarves should be different and be 3 metres tall
16:09.53ImpyDroidHow is dialogue usually marked in English literature?
16:10.08HachimanMonetSemi: dats a giant u dum
16:10.18MonetSemiSO what if it is.
16:10.19ImpyDroidIn Russian it is "- "text", I said"
16:10.27AdmiralPandaMonet: Fun fact, the Dwarves in Nirn (Elder Scrolls world) were actually really tall, they just got the name from Giants
16:10.28HachimanWell
16:10.37ImpyDroidAdmittedly TES had fairly large dorfs
16:10.38HachimanKoldenwelt doesn't have very many giant species really
16:10.41MonetSemiAdmiralPanda: I know ,they were elves.
16:10.42ImpyDroid...goddammit ninjad
16:11.04ImpyDroidHachiman: Hm, perhaps we could make one then?
16:11.08HachimanEh fuck it, I'll say that 1.5m is around the maximum height a dorf can achieve
16:11.13ImpyDroidWe haven't worked together much recently
16:11.20ImpyDroidYah it works
16:11.32HachimanImpyDroid: When I've reduced the amount of work I have already I can
16:11.46AdmiralPandaHachiman: We should totally make a fiction of Hachi meeting this Damsel
16:12.02HachimanAdmiralPanda: I wouldn't be opposed but Hachi has commitments :P
16:12.13AdmiralPandaHachi - I WANNA PUT WEINER                Damsel - Wait I didn't cast the spell yet
16:12.29AdmiralPandaDamsels aren't into relationships anyway, so he'd just get turned down
16:12.36Hachimanlel
16:12.39HachimanAs exampled by Zelda
16:12.47ImpyDroidWe don't really work with each other or even communicate much nowadays
16:12.55ImpyDroidWhat happened?
16:13.00HachimanNot sure entirely
16:13.07AdmiralPandawell I was talking about the Fey Damsels in the Order of the Sable Rose
16:13.46ImpyDroidI'd like to do fic together with you but you almost never want to
16:14.04HachimanIt's not that I don't want to, I rarely have time or energy for it
16:14.04ImpyDroidIs it my fault?
16:14.20HachimanNo
16:15.18ImpyDroid(I mean to your first comment, not the second one; I hadn't recieved the last one by the time I posted it)
16:15.44HachimanI've just been largely caught up with a string of things recently, it's not your fault
16:15.51ImpyDroidrite
16:16.00AdmiralPandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6Rq_y94lc Mildly NSFW, but Bayonetta in a nutshell
16:16.06HachimanNow how long should dorfs live for hu
16:16.08Hachimanhur*
16:16.25ImpyDroidHachiman: ...300 years?
16:17.04ImpyDroidAdmiralPanda: Speaking of mildly NSFW
16:18.21ImpyDroidWhen I was on StarCon 2014 with Alyona and we saw the cosplayers we entertained the thought of cosplayinf ourselves next year, and Alyona jokingly stated that "cosplaying Jinx wouldn't be nice" or something
16:18.51ImpyDroidWhat's the catch? I don't play LoL so I don't know what Jinx's costume is
16:19.25MonetSemiIts fanservice-y
16:19.47HachimanImpyDroid: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lnBl__4b5y0/UwTVZLhZQPI/AAAAAAAAG6c/ODpQNqfGyjs/s1600/JinX-League-of-Legends-Wallpaper-full-HD-Desktop-4.png
16:20.12HachimanThing about Jinx is that she's got little to no breast meat
16:20.30ImpyDroidAlyona as this
16:20.34HachimanSo I dunno if fanservice-y or not
16:20.38ImpyDroidPlease let me scrub my brain
16:21.06ImpyDroid*I want to scrub my brain
16:27.46ImpyDroidHachiman: Some people like small breasts
16:28.58HachimanTrue
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16:41.14Hachimanhai
16:41.35XhoHello
16:41.39ImpyDroidiaH
16:41.44MonetSemiHi
16:41.50MonetSemiHow was today?
16:41.56XhoFine I guess
16:42.03XhoMy mouth ulcer no longer hurts so that's a plus
16:42.11XhoEveryone was like "OH GOD ARE YOU ALRIGHT"
16:43.34Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIvJAlwAAY I've had this stuck in my head all day
16:43.54XhoHachiman: https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/10527480_4402167590233_6973433134485637981_n.jpg
16:44.04Hachimanech
16:44.09XhoHachiman: I am surprised #not
16:44.59XhoDANGER DANGER          HEIGH VOWLTEGE
16:45.31Hachimanhue
16:47.48Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:M%C3%A0lh-Thaduorn#Quotes I gave this page a quote
16:48.14TekDroidMy game of CKII was saved by sexism. XD My realm was going to be split between my 5 daughters then I had a son and all 5 of them were disqualified. >.>
16:48.52Hachimanolol
16:51.04XhoNow all I can imagine is Pelagrios riding drunkenly into battle with an equally drunk Màlh-Thaduorn with a massive plank of wood with the name 'TERRENCE' around its neck
16:51.40HachimanI get reminded of Jurassic Park for some reason
16:52.09XhoPelagrios - JURASSIC PARK            WHAT THE HELL IS THAT
16:52.12HachimanI can imagine a Mauler bursting into an inn and devouring some smaller draconic creatures that shouldn't be there
16:54.56XhoPelagrios - now this is what i call              dinner and a show
17:02.37XhoI'm trying to find a Meshuggah song that kind of resembles Nightmare Medic's character
17:02.45XhoI've narrowed it down to either Pravus or Nebulous
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17:05.13TekDroidHello
17:06.19Xho"Not clapping your hands during 'if you're happy and you know it' because you were a miserable 8 year old bastard who cared for nobody"
17:06.56XhoHachiman: What song would you think resembles an omnicidal maniac demon in a human body
17:07.00XhoPravus or Nebulous
17:07.10HachimanHmm
17:07.17HachimanI'd say Pravus
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17:10.36OfficerJackalHello!
17:11.34DrodoEmpireHey
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17:20.55XhoiTunes visualizer + Meshuggah = Xhodocto brain methinks
17:21.26Hachimanhue
17:21.51Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kh%C3%A0rmurvahan_Dwarf So I began on this page
17:22.53Xhokhormorvohon dorfs
17:30.34MonetSemiThe Gigconflicts is starting to become a minefield.
17:31.16MonetSemiWith the Kicath Remnant, I see four nations now  who would rather avoid joinging either side.
17:37.02Xhosmacks OluapPlayer
17:37.04Xhowake up u
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17:45.45MonetSemiSOmething came to me the other day
17:46.09HachimanOh?
17:46.38MonetSemiI discussed with a couple of others the other day that the Imperium's sub-citize nsystem could be used as a way to keep some form of cheap labour within the Imperium (due to the potential conclusion that "there is no such thing as a perfect machine"
17:47.31MonetSemiAs well as supporting the Imperium's bulk industry, theoretically sub-citizen labour could also be used for other progressive businesses like organic farmland or mass-produced hand-tailored clothing.
17:50.56MonetSemiStuff like this appeals to people but its also more expensive to roll out because of the laborious nature of these "traditinoal" practicies.
17:52.52Hachimanhttps://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10517561_301917226635646_9178720365715346207_n.jpg?oh=3e478b309ecf72564626f318afae0c41&oe=545184C9
17:53.22MonetSemiUrgh
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17:55.24DrodoEmpireHey
17:55.30CyrannianHello!
17:55.34MonetSemiHello
17:57.25Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10527626_267518880112142_1339887926205502996_n.png
17:59.39MonetSemiI agreed right up until the last sentence of the first paragraph
18:00.12DrodoEmpireI groaned the entire way through. :P
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18:03.45CyrannianHi Jo
18:04.12dinoJo!
18:04.56Technodroidhii
18:05.08Technodroidso it appears I can access wiki from boat again
18:05.10Technodroidyaaay
18:05.27MonetSemiI just can't see 4chan as anything but a breeding ground for inane comments, crude humour and immature behaviour.
18:05.41HachimanI dunno, /tg/ is a pretty cool place
18:05.57HachimanIt discuses sci-fi and fantasy settings on a regular basis and the mechanics of tabletop games
18:06.21HachimanIncluding D&D and Warhammer
18:06.50ImpyDroidYa
18:07.02ImpyDroidTG is more matuee
18:07.03MonetSemiI'm not sure really. Although the only time I've ever visited 4chan is the pictures that have been linked here
18:07.04ImpyDroid*mature
18:07.40ImpyDroidThen again Hachiman
18:07.41ImpyDroidSQUAD BROKEN
18:07.46Hachimanhue
18:11.24ImpyDroidMonetSemi: Hm, come to think about it
18:11.43ImpyDroidRemember your recent Imerial fashion page?
18:12.05Cyrannianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzeFFsKEt4 - The new Hobbit trailer
18:12.16MonetSemiImpyDroid: http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Draconid-Imperium-Fashion-Dump-2-471351337 you mean this?
18:14.26MonetSemiIf so then I remember
18:14.37ImpyDroidYa
18:14.43MonetSemiWhat about it?
18:15.40ImpyDroidCould you perhaps draw something similar for Klaxxa? As in, a few clothed Klaxxa
18:16.08Technodroidbbl cookies
18:16.10ImpyDroidYou see, I am having a hard time drawing and/or designing clothes for the Klaxxa because they all look too modern and not fantasy enough
18:16.17ImpyDroidPerhaps you could help?
18:17.15MonetSemiI could look up some Victorian attire
18:17.30MonetSemiSo yeah, I cna help
18:18.22MonetSemican*
18:19.04MonetSemiAlthough...if you're after fantasy dress I can see the "modern" issue
18:19.29MonetSemiThe victorians practically invented the tuxedo
18:19.40ImpyDroidYeah, the problem is I need something both Koldenweltian and Victorian
18:20.35MonetSemiMaybe somehow combine Georgian and Victorian dress? (I'll have to think how to do that)
18:20.42DrodoEmpireJust putting in my two cents, perhaps compromise on something like early 1800's/mid 1700's?
18:20.57DrodoEmpireIf its an issue trying to blend Victorian and Koldenweltian
18:22.01MonetSemiStockings ruffs and overcoats heh.
18:23.58dinoHOBBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
18:24.36ImpyDroidDrodoEmpire: Hm, perhaps
18:25.00ImpyDroidWhen did Cromwell rule, remind me?
18:25.07MonetSemi1600s I think
18:25.59MonetSemiHe was 1stLord Protector from 1653-1658
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18:26.45ImpyDroidrite
18:27.13MonetSemiEngland was a republic only once, for five years, and it is a period we would rather forget.
18:28.27AdmiralPandaI remember hearing about that once, didn't the republicans get kicked out because they were uber-strict?
18:28.36AdmiralPandathen the guy that replaced them was a party animal
18:29.15MonetSemiAye.
18:29.35MonetSemiOliver Cromwell became infamous for his attempt to ban Christmas.
18:30.27OfficerJackalLol.
18:30.35AdmiralPandatoy manufacturers would never let that pass in today's world
18:30.56AdmiralPandahell, the retail sector as a whole would shut that shit down in like five minutes
18:31.45ImpyDroidrite
18:32.28ImpyDroidConsidering the fact that I took the "Lord Protector" name from Cromwell, I might as well borrow some designs from his period
18:32.32MonetSemiActualyl there was one Lord Protector after Cromwell, who ruled England, Scotland and Wales for about ..eight months
18:32.40ImpyDroid*title
18:32.50ImpyDroidMonetSemi: His son, right?
18:33.22MonetSemiYeah
18:34.05MonetSemiI guess it goes to show, England has a long history of preferring its monarchs and hating Catholics.
18:34.33Xhohttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=293137522 Spooky scary skeletons
18:34.49MonetSemiSince one of Charles I's offences was marrying a French Catholic lady
18:36.18TechnodroidI don't know Spore lore very well, is there any character in the GA expansion pack or something who talks about the captain going off on their adventures?
18:36.51XhoAs if you care about Spore lore hur
18:37.22TechnodroidI don't :o
18:37.30Xhowell y did u ask queston
18:37.41Technodroidcuz template
18:37.53XhoFor what
18:38.21MonetSemiI think you do meet a couple of ace space captains who tell you that one day your character could be as awesome as them.
18:38.23Technodroidawway
18:39.00MonetSemiBut the general backstory I think is your captain is space captain because they were shosen by your natino for some reason.
18:39.16Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmAQhsBzAQ0 Nu, Psi and Kithworto
18:39.26MonetSemiWhere you fly the *only warship your civilisation has*
18:39.33DrodoEmpirehur
18:39.41DrodoEmpireYeah, that pretty absurd. XD
18:39.41Technodroidmhm
18:39.46Technodroidthere must be a name for one
18:39.52AdmiralPandaCorrection: The only spaceship capable of interstellar travel
18:40.11AdmiralPandaactually even that isn't true
18:40.12AdmiralPandatrade ships
18:40.23AdmiralPandaso yeah, spore civs are retarded
18:40.37DrodoEmpireAt least the player's. :P
18:40.42MonetSemiWhat does make it egregious is if you take control of another save, suddenly the faction you were playing has a warfleet
18:41.04DrodoEmpireSeeing as others seem to have an armada under there control.
18:42.14AdmiralPandaof course my actual nation has no war fleets, I just pay people to attack other people for me
18:46.56ImpyDroidI attacked civilisations until fhey surrendered and then allied them
18:47.59MonetSemiI have an idea for a section: Popular TV shows and films across the 1st gig
18:48.39Technodroidthere must be at least someone in that game that says something relevant to "leaving"
18:49.43XhoI doubt it
18:49.45MonetSemiAs far as I know the only people who send you off int othe universe is Mission Control on your homeworld.
18:49.49XhoSpore isn't one for vocabulary
18:50.09Technodroidyeah, it's not one for story either
18:50.15Technodroidhm, Mission Control could work
18:50.20MonetSemiIts probably to give room for the player.
18:50.23TechnodroidI'll make up a generic sentence and say Spore did it
18:50.49MonetSemiThe player has room ot decide why their character was chosen, what motives they had to sign up to the space program etc.
18:50.51Xhodat not gud
18:51.06XhoJust leave it as it is if you can't make a Spore reference out of it
18:51.43ImpyDroidTechnodroid: What is that for?
18:51.52Technodroidi've said
18:51.54Technodroidfor a template
18:51.58CyrannianMaybe you could use a Grox saying that it'll be back once it finishes destroying a civilisation.
18:52.07Technodroidoh, sure
18:52.15Technodroidthanks :D
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18:54.12OfficerJackalBack!
18:54.17MonetSemi"a template" isn't a very accurate answer
18:54.34MonetSemiWhat's the template for?
18:55.44TechnodroidI've said
18:55.46Technodroidscroll up
18:56.01Technodroidor have I said
18:56.14Technodroid"awway"
18:56.27TechnodroidI did but I said it in a very ambiguous way
18:56.37MonetSemiAmbiguous isn't helpful
18:59.19Technodroidthere we go
18:59.20Technodroiddone
19:02.00Technodroidlmao
19:02.11Technodroidit was exactly 4 years and 20 days ago that it was created
19:08.43Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0
19:09.02Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kh%C3%A0rmurvahan_Dwarf#History dun dis
19:10.11XhoI will say now that the video is an 18+ one
19:10.16XhoThere is nudity in it so beware
19:10.25Cyrannianbrb
19:10.56Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10425092_267548380109192_3161936288768753317_n.png "This guy isn't thirsty he's fucking dehydrated"
19:12.05Xho"Jalaric Hathgar"
19:12.11XhoI will say this reminds me of Jaqen H'ghar
19:12.19HachimanWho?
19:12.44XhoGame of Thrones character
19:12.55XhoQuite a badass Game of Thrones character at that
19:13.31HachimanOh I know who you're on about
19:13.44HachimanYeah the name's a coincidence hur
19:14.52XhoShiarchon - hey how about u guys come serve us                u get free medical plan
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19:15.33HachimanI can imagine that some Dweorg ventured too far and went into Abyssus
19:15.45Hachimanhai Cat
19:15.54CatfaceHello little boys.
19:15.54XhoDweorg - the fuk is dis                Void Denizens - sparta           if you want
19:16.48HachimanBasically that's permission for you to make your own dwarves if you want hur
19:17.46XhoDweorg go into Abyssus -> tens of thousands of years later -> not so dwarfish
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19:20.12MonetSemiHello
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19:26.03Hachimanhai
19:26.06Technodroidbbl
19:37.10EmperorsWrathHai
19:37.27HachimanHey
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20:00.42GhelHello.
20:17.36dino_bye all
20:17.38dino_have to go again
20:17.38dino_see ya!
20:26.49Jepardihttp://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/aGVKnz6_460s.jpg
20:32.37TekDroidWierd... I just realized my messed up GA isn't even displaying GA stuff, it's basically running core Spore with half the UI graphics replaced with white boxes... :/
20:33.13AngrybirdsYou might need to reinstall.
20:33.21TekDroidYeah. :/
20:34.55AngrybirdsSave the Spore folder, though.
20:35.00AngrybirdsMy Spore Creations
20:35.03Angrybirdsin Documents
20:35.24TekDroidYeah, I'll backup the save data folders too.
20:35.48XhoJepardi: Tonari no...Executioner Smough
20:36.52TekDroidGiven the context my best guess would be that the 8.1 update screwed something up.
20:38.33TekDroidOdere...
20:38.48TekDroidcan't remember where his authorization code is
20:43.20MonetSemiOdere indeed
20:43.40TekDroidIt's somewhere in my room, though I can't get it for a few days...
20:44.11TekDroidlooks up how to find it in the registry
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20:47.08TekDroidIt says I can retrieve my code from EA...
20:47.25TekDroidcommits heresy and opens Origin
20:47.36Liquid_InkOh dear god.
20:48.35TekDroidI just want my damn GA to work again. -.-
20:54.47TekDroidI don't feel like messing with the registry until I have my external backup, so I guess I'll be limited to core Spore this week.
20:57.46MonetSemihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Model_Army is it me or bould England be credited for the return of the professional fighting force?
20:57.51MonetSemicould*
20:58.04MonetSemiAnd the return of the standing national army?
21:03.18TekDroidMonetSemi: That's the impression I got from history class.
21:04.11MonetSemiCall me nationalistic but I'd say that's another reason Britain is called "Great" Britain
21:04.38TekDroidIt did conquer a quarter of the planet.
21:05.58MonetSemiAnd the UK is a member of the UN Security Council.
21:06.11TekDroidBritain didn't gain its reputation and power for nothing.
21:06.49TekDroidAnd a second member of the security council was a British colony.
21:08.45MonetSemiThe empire may be gone, but its legacy will continue on for centuries to come
21:09.15TekDroidAccording to XKCD the sun still hasn't set on the British Empire though. :P
21:10.49MonetSemiThe Empire didn't really collapse, it merely changed int othe Commonwealth.
21:12.41TekDroidYeah.
21:13.45TekDroidMe and Panda still have the Queen as our countries head of state.
21:14.08TekDroidand Drodo
21:14.09Liquid_InkAnd me!
21:14.51TekDroidPlus one of the biggest languages on the planet.
21:14.59Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/acvDeOb.png?1 Have a dorf
21:15.31HachimanThat's Jalaric Hathgar, son of Jalaric Dorn and a prominent figure of the Realm of Khàrmurvahan
21:16.04HachimanAlso head of the military of the Realm's capital city, Khàrmakhar
21:16.06XhoNu - so u guys like havin ur surnames first as well           cool
21:16.57Liquid_InkSo do the Hungarians.
21:18.03MonetSemiI like the strands of hair that rest against his nose.
21:18.55HachimanI made it so a Khàrmurvahan Dwarf's bodily hair, including his head hair and facial hair, are his/her pride
21:19.10HachimanOr rather, a physical manifestation of their pride
21:19.51HachimanHairless Khàrmurvahan are considered personally shamed and are ridiculed
21:20.33MonetSemiDorf with male pattern baldness - Well fuk u all then.
21:20.48HachimanKhàrmurvahan Dwarves only really shave their hair if they let themselves or their clans down which can be done through refusing tasks and challenges or refusing to show bravery or stand their own ground
21:21.03XhoShiarchon - man we must suck then
21:26.14Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxgMGXG32Y0 Nu and Hachi, #4203
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21:28.29HachimanHmm what would be an appropriate term for a dwarven military leader
21:28.53HachimanHas to sound relatively Nordic or vikingesque hur
21:29.50MonetSemiI'd suggest thane but that's not that imaginative
21:30.01MonetSemiThorosk?
21:30.18XhoHm
21:30.31XhoHvadrenska
21:30.38XhoSounds feminine
21:30.45XhoHvadreng then
21:30.55Hachimanrite
21:31.15XhoOr Hvadrengthorosk
21:31.23XhoWhich is a bit Xho-ish
21:31.39HachimanSounds good to me hur
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22:27.28Patriot868hi
22:27.43drom'murcia
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22:28.04MonetSemiHello
22:28.13dromHello.
22:29.09Patriot868so, whatsn ew
22:29.32Patriot868*new
22:30.08dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Clanden/Great_Xonexian_Schism
22:30.13dromSeen that?
22:30.21Patriot868yes
22:30.23dromOh well.
22:30.29dromNoticed too late.
22:31.04AngrydroidHm?
22:31.28dromsweats in embarrassement*
22:31.31dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
22:31.48Patriot868the hegemony will end up backing  the d cp
22:31.56AngrydroidDrom, thou must repent!
22:32.24MonetSemiWhy the DCP, jsut curious
22:33.09dromIf I recall correctly. DCP has a goal of a gigaquadantric police state.
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22:34.11Technodroidif USO can be involved it will be on the DCP side
22:34.27Technodroidthey love conflict after all
22:35.01dromAaaaand then, DCP is reduced into ashes after the conflict.
22:35.47Patriot868Because technology, disgruntlment with the agc, and because they feel its not right to gang up on dcp
22:36.15Technodroidgiven that the DCP have a strng advantage technologically, it's probably fine ganging up on them
22:36.30Technodroidthat is also why I am concerned that adding USO to the DCP side might be unfair
22:37.27Patriot868well so far the dcp is alone
22:38.13dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/wXYwG
22:38.50MonetSemiAnd the DCP has the potential to deal with the Orion League on its own.
22:38.56Patriot868also, the hegemony has no reason to hate the dcp
22:39.06Technodroidit might be an opportunity to properly introduce the new retconned USO
22:39.17Technodroidto clear their name from the old one which I burnt in hell
22:40.21Patriot868those are my reasons so far
22:42.30Patriot868any issues?
22:42.41Technodroidwith what?
22:43.33MonetSemiI suppose this is reasonable. Although might want to watch the upcoming flashpoints
22:44.09Technodroidwell being on the DCP's side is probably wise
22:44.09Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Kh%C3%A0rmurvahan_Dwarf dun, just need quotes
22:44.20Technodroidanyone who has read their superweapons subpage will know that
22:44.20HachimanIncluding a top quote if anybody wants to run one by me
22:44.54Technodroid(I didn't make one for USO since they have most of the same superweapons UNO has but a few more)
22:45.01Patriot868with the given reasons
22:45.22Technodroidno, there are no issues with your reasoning
22:45.26HachimanWhy is the tabber in the "Individuals" section fucking up
22:45.48Hachimanrite okay it's not
22:46.28Patriot868ok. be back later
22:47.33Technodroidquoted
22:47.36Technodroid>:)
22:47.54HachimanFuck sake why
22:49.13Technodroidnice page btw
22:50.15Technodroidwell
22:50.21Technodroidhis quote was the 13th edit
22:50.26Technodroidconfirmed for unlucky
22:50.46CyrannianGreat page, Hachi
23:10.26HachimanTest
23:14.58TechnodroidF
23:32.39Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/UEn0hLR.jpg Bull Terrier in 1915 and the 2000s
23:39.26OfficerJackalIt's nose wtf. :(
23:39.42TekDroidThat's a bit messed up.
23:39.56OfficerJackalIts like a dog version of Voldemort.

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