| 00:03.59 | drom | I'm sure that I'll stay out of this one. But it depends on which year the which is the point of time when the clashes has started. |
| 00:04.22 | drom | Since I'm not that really active nowadays and ondoing two collabs. |
| 00:04.52 | drom | One of them is being me and the other coming up OP ideas and compromisses from and for parts. |
| 00:05.27 | drom | So I don't really feel like that I'm suited for this type. |
| 00:05.32 | drom | Sorry. |
| 00:09.04 | drom | Zmr56: Get into #Cyrannus. We gotta have to talk about the rim campagin |
| 00:16.23 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Galactic_Empire_of_Cyrannus#Fracturing_of_the_Gigaquadrant - Updated with information from latest events. |
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| 00:17.28 | GD12 | Hi |
| 00:18.07 | Zmr56 | Hi |
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| 00:26.55 | Monet_ | Cyrannian: Interesting information. |
| 00:26.59 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 00:27.17 | Angrybirds | DrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism |
| 00:27.29 | Monet_ | I suppose I was maybe a bit eager about the idea of an all-out DI-Empire war. |
| 00:27.47 | DrodoEmpire | AB: reading. |
| 00:28.41 | Monet_ | After all, ideally war is a last resort instrument |
| 00:29.06 | DrodoEmpire | Inte |
| 00:29.09 | DrodoEmpire | *WHoops. |
| 00:29.10 | Cyrannian | Monet_: I would like to become more involved, but I think *I'm* too eager about joining tons of fiction and not having enough time to devote myself to them fully. |
| 00:29.40 | Cyrannian | DrodoEmpire: Hai, the New Republic sent a transmission to the Drodo Empire. |
| 00:29.47 | DrodoEmpire | Oh? |
| 00:29.48 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, |
| 00:29.58 | DrodoEmpire | I'll take a look right away |
| 00:33.46 | Angrybirds | Cyrannian : The current plan regarding the Schism is that the actual falling out and fighting would happen after the Neiradia invasion, with tension and skirmishes happening from 2797 up until 2802-ish. So you could theoretically join in when the actual fighting starts, having finished the Seismomachy. |
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| 00:34.55 | Cyrannian | We'll see how things go. Hopefully I might have time when I get other things got of the way. |
| 00:43.42 | DrodoEmpire | Cyrannian: Sent a response on the NCR's talk page |
| 00:44.34 | Cyrannian | Awesome! I'll add them to the Republic's relations page! |
| 00:44.53 | DrodoEmpire | Same here. :D |
| 00:45.03 | DrodoEmpire | (Well, to the Drodo's page of course. XD) |
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| 00:54.25 | Catface | slaps GD12 |
| 00:54.38 | GD12 | sup |
| 00:55.25 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 00:55.33 | Cyrannian | looks at Catface with such intensity that Catface's hips catch fire. |
| 00:55.47 | Catface | hawt |
| 00:58.30 | Zmr56 | Wow, on this Minecraft server, Stephan Colbert is censored out |
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| 01:17.43 | drom | Zmr56: Took me some time to write it. But to let you know. You should prepare a new part of your contribution. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Cyrannian_War/Year_One/Southern_Rim_Campaign#The_Gas-cloaked |
| 01:20.38 | Cyrannian | Looks noic |
| 01:20.55 | Zmr56 | drom: so they basically disguised the ocean planet as a gas giant? |
| 01:22.05 | Zmr56 | since its pretty late now I'll get on it tomorrow as soon as possible |
| 01:22.21 | Zmr56 | Or I can sneak on some later time during the morning |
| 01:24.32 | Monet_ | Goodnight |
| 01:25.08 | GD12 | night |
| 01:25.28 | Zmr56 | night |
| 01:33.10 | Catface | The Vinesauce charity stream has raised $16,248 for the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation. I am happy. |
| 01:37.57 | Cyrannian | That's a lot of money for a good cause |
| 01:38.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 01:43.38 | DrodoEmpire | Cyrannian - Got the Drodo relations all done. |
| 01:44.07 | DrodoEmpire | I wanted to add just the Cyrannians, but I ended redoing the entire section. XD |
| 01:44.32 | Cyrannian | Ooh, I'll check it out now |
| 01:45.03 | Angrybirds | Drodo : Where's France? D: |
| 01:48.33 | Cyrannian | Nice updates Drodo |
| 01:51.08 | DrodoEmpire | AB: I'll update that. XD I sort of clumped it together with the Ol |
| 01:51.10 | DrodoEmpire | *OL |
| 01:51.13 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks] |
| 01:51.37 | Angrybirds | Got it. I run into the same problem on my pages. xD |
| 01:51.51 | DrodoEmpire | Right |
| 02:19.32 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:19.55 | DrodoEmpire | Does anyone here play Mount & Blade? |
| 02:19.59 | OfficerJackal_ | BRB. |
| 02:20.22 | Angrybirds | ME |
| 02:20.25 | DrodoEmpire | :D |
| 02:20.26 | Angrybirds | YES I LOVE THAT GAME |
| 02:20.34 | DrodoEmpire | Me too! |
| 02:20.38 | Angrybirds | Please tell me you have Napoleonic Wars. |
| 02:21.03 | DrodoEmpire | I especially like Napoleonic Wars and this Total Conversion mod Gekokujo. |
| 02:21.07 | DrodoEmpire | Yep! |
| 02:21.16 | Angrybirds | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:21.28 | Angrybirds | I'm trying to take over the world in Floris mod. |
| 02:21.52 | DrodoEmpire | I used to be part of a regiment but I sorta didn't attend too much so I asked to be discharged. |
| 02:22.00 | DrodoEmpire | It was fun, though |
| 02:22.10 | DrodoEmpire | I LOT more fun then playing with pubs. |
| 02:22.14 | DrodoEmpire | :P |
| 02:22.18 | Angrybirds | It's sort of working. I pretty much switched sides between the Kherghit Khanate and the Kingdom of Nords thrice. |
| 02:22.24 | DrodoEmpire | I see |
| 02:22.39 | Angrybirds | Because the kings kept refusing to give me the fiefs I captured. |
| 02:22.45 | DrodoEmpire | Ouch |
| 02:22.53 | DrodoEmpire | Alright, gonna play it now |
| 02:23.02 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:23.16 | DrodoMountandBla | Bah! |
| 02:23.24 | Angrybirds | "Sorry, I know you just lost half of your force and fortune taking this castle. Take 900 gold and my condolences, I'm going to give it to someone else!" |
| 02:23.27 | DrodoisaMountie | :3 |
| 02:23.39 | DrodoisaMountie | D: |
| 02:23.55 | Angrybirds | Me - F*** you. I'm going to the faction you're currently at war with and completely turn the tide in said war. |
| 02:24.06 | Angrybirds | Then the Kherghits did that to me again. |
| 02:24.09 | DrodoEmpire | Scratch that |
| 02:24.25 | Angrybirds | So I switched back to the Kingdom of Nords. xD |
| 02:25.11 | Angrybirds | Needless to say, I have six fiefs now. |
| 02:25.49 | DrodoEmpire | lul |
| 02:26.04 | Angrybirds | And they're all around Dhirm. |
| 02:26.19 | Angrybirds | I wonder what my next target is. ^.^ |
| 02:26.24 | DrodoEmpire | lol |
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| 02:38.50 | DrodoEmpire | So anyway, I'm hoping sometime soon I can start on building a diorama of the Battle of Nagashino. :P |
| 02:39.32 | DrodoEmpire | Not the whole thing, obviously, but definitely the river, at least one bridge, and at the very least one layer of stockades. |
| 02:44.19 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:47.14 | Angrybirds | AdmiralPanda_ : Will the brave Fordanta honor their alliance with the Draconis and fight under the banners of the AGC once again? |
| 02:47.20 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AGreat_Xonexian_Schism |
| 02:50.04 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Lanat_Empire - I made a few updates here as a gift to Catface, take a look. |
| 02:50.34 | DrodoEmpire | Reading now. :D |
| 02:50.45 | Catface | I sold my soul for a good cause. |
| 02:52.34 | Cyrannian | Aye, I keep it in my favourite soul jar. |
| 02:54.15 | DrodoEmpire | http://topicstock.pantip.com/library/topicstock/2011/05/K10539315/K10539315-2.jpg - I wonder if any Drodoian militia or other units in the Drodo army would be able to use these helmets. |
| 02:54.47 | DrodoEmpire | Regular units would at best wear them as part of the dress uniform, though. |
| 02:55.29 | DrodoEmpire | Militia are wild cards though; I can imagine why some may like the lighter Jingasa. |
| 02:55.37 | DrodoEmpire | Or Jingasa-like headwear |
| 02:58.43 | DrodoEmpire | http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1079/15198013.jpg - Another page out of a book about the Boshin War; I share it only for the soldier in traditional samurai armour. |
| 02:58.46 | DrodoEmpire | Which is awesome. XD |
| 03:01.09 | AdmiralPanda_ | Angrybirds: wha? |
| 03:05.36 | AdmiralPanda_ | What's this about fighting under the AGC's banner again? |
| 03:09.04 | Angrybirds | AdmiralPanda_ : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AGreat_Xonexian_Schism |
| 03:09.22 | DrodoEmpire | I haven't drawn in a long time. I'm gonna go on a drawing spree tomorrow. XD |
| 03:15.04 | AdmiralPanda_ | hm, I don't think the Fordanta would get involved. The DCP are still their allies, after all, and nothing's happened lately to change htat |
| 03:16.23 | AdmiralPanda_ | besides, the Fordanta are busy purging a few thousand worlds |
| 03:16.46 | Angrybirds | My understanding is that the DI are their allies as well, and the AGC is probably going to be going to war as an organization. |
| 03:17.10 | Angrybirds | I'm not sure what that changes, though. |
| 03:17.16 | AdmiralPanda_ | Yes, which means two allies are going to war with each other. Protocol dictates stay out of it. |
| 03:17.55 | Angrybirds | Understood. |
| 03:20.45 | AdmiralPanda_ | this is also possibly the worst time possible to attack the Fordanta, since they've been ramping up their military for the last decade or so in preparation for this crusade |
| 03:27.58 | Cyrannian | bai |
| 03:32.51 | Angrybirds | AdmiralPanda: Just fiinished reading what you've written in To Burn a Thousand Worlds. Out of curiosity, if the Fordanta "purge" the civilizations they attack and leave nothing behind, what do they gain out of it? Are they sacking them for resources? |
| 03:33.46 | AdmiralPanda_ | no, they're purging them |
| 03:33.49 | AdmiralPanda_ | that is the end goal |
| 03:33.59 | Angrybirds | So what do they gain out of that? |
| 03:35.04 | AdmiralPanda_ | The civilisations being targeted are those who either actively disrupt and antagonise their existing neighbours, or if given sufficient development would do the same. Removing them removes that problem. |
| 03:36.05 | Angrybirds | Ah, I see. So they've giving them and their allies more room to breathe. |
| 03:36.19 | AdmiralPanda_ | Precisely |
| 03:40.10 | Angrybirds | It's very well written. |
| 03:41.17 | AdmiralPanda_ | thanks |
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| 05:31.13 | Zmr56 | Hi there |
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| 07:56.21 | dino_ | hellzo |
| 07:57.05 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 08:06.10 | dino_ | Liquid! |
| 08:06.14 | dino_ | How r you doing! |
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| 08:12.55 | dino_ | Great to hear! |
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| 08:38.56 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 08:40.56 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 09:00.21 | drom | hey |
| 09:00.23 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 09:03.48 | dino_ | hello |
| 09:45.44 | drom | Darkwoods makes me want to make a TF2 crossover. |
| 10:16.22 | drom | Found a little cute moth sitting on my desktop. |
| 10:16.29 | drom | Poor guy seems to be tired. |
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| 10:59.43 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
| 11:00.12 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 11:03.33 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/555/219/754.png |
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| 11:23.07 | Ghel | Hello. |
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| 11:26.46 | Wormy | hi |
| 11:28.44 | Wormy | this bloke is awesomehttp://metro.co.uk/2014/04/23/cycling-fan-el-diablo-builds-crazy-bicycles-for-brazil-world-cup-2014-finals-4706136/ |
| 11:28.48 | Wormy | http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/23/cycling-fan-el-diablo-builds-crazy-bicycles-for-brazil-world-cup-2014-finals-4706136/ |
| 11:34.16 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 11:35.02 | Wormy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CKGHJFJAUE |
| 11:35.08 | Wormy | hi |
| 11:45.36 | ImpyDroid | Hi OP |
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| 11:47.18 | ImpyDroid | ohX |
| 11:50.59 | Xho | Me |
| 11:52.16 | Xho | Jesus I got 2 favourites on DA in 20 seconds |
| 12:05.42 | Wormy | Ghel: How far do you think I can push the Mantisorac to threaten mid to high tier civilisations? |
| 12:06.06 | Liquid_Ink | Dudes, they can do it already. |
| 12:06.28 | Wormy | They may use asteroids and dwarf planets but that would be pushing them against star-tapping hyperspatial wormhole builders |
| 12:06.58 | Wormy | Indeed |
| 12:07.23 | Ghel | If they gain the ability to teleport past shields, that would make them much more effective, since they could presumably reproduce and spread too quickly for their target to adapt to such an attack. |
| 12:07.38 | Wormy | The Mantisorac might be a point of embarrassment for established civs in GC |
| 12:09.22 | Wormy | It would make it easier if they could teleport past shields - which would otherwise be good at containing them |
| 12:11.02 | Liquid_Ink | Supposing they ingest something that produces a magnetic force that could let them pass through shields? |
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| 12:11.53 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:11.56 | Wormy | Hi |
| 12:11.58 | ImpyDroid | Hiya |
| 12:12.00 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 12:12.32 | Ghel | Liquid_Ink: If shields were that easy to pass through, they'd be nearly worthless already. |
| 12:12.44 | OluapPlayer | omg hai |
| 12:13.04 | Wormy | The difficulty is getting them to pass the more exotic shields which use plasma, radiation scattering or non-phasic and metric types |
| 12:13.23 | Liquid_Ink | I don't like the idea of teleporting. It's a little to conventional for the Mantisorac. |
| 12:13.58 | Hachiman | Biological wormhole drives |
| 12:14.47 | Xho | OluapPlayer: Don't say hello to me then |
| 12:14.59 | Liquid_Ink | I still love you Xho. |
| 12:15.09 | OluapPlayer | I was busy |
| 12:15.10 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 12:15.22 | Xho | dis meens nuthin |
| 12:15.31 | OluapPlayer | go fuk urself in the ainis then |
| 12:15.39 | Xho | hivemind |
| 12:15.45 | Xho | u com help |
| 12:18.09 | Hachiman | I wonder what it'd be like to ride a jellyfish |
| 12:18.22 | Liquid_Ink | Painfull and erotic |
| 12:19.11 | Xho | Well there's one way to find out |
| 12:19.23 | Xho | Ride a really fat woman |
| 12:19.26 | Xho | Or a guy |
| 12:19.27 | Xho | Whoever |
| 12:19.45 | Wormy | They don't have stingers |
| 12:20.19 | Ghel | You could always ride a jellyfish instead. There are some pretty big ones. |
| 12:20.47 | Ghel | If it's big enough, it might even not sink. |
| 12:22.01 | Wormy | If you somehow stayed on the top body you could avoid the stings |
| 12:22.01 | Xho | Women have stingers |
| 12:22.03 | Xho | Trust me |
| 12:22.52 | Liquid_Ink | Do they have the same kind? |
| 12:23.04 | Xho | Can do |
| 12:23.15 | Xho | Also Oluap is behaving very oddly recently |
| 12:23.15 | Hachiman | Feminists have triggers |
| 12:23.52 | Wormy | speaking of triggers |
| 12:24.11 | Liquid_Ink | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Nematocyst_discharge.png |
| 12:24.18 | Wormy | lol https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/464744556668682241 |
| 12:24.38 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Correction, they have plutonium cores |
| 12:26.14 | ImpyDroid | Xho: How do you mean? |
| 12:26.23 | Xho | Dunno |
| 12:26.28 | Xho | He doesn't like talking to me at the moment |
| 12:26.53 | Wormy | There is a way to grab nettles without being stung |
| 12:27.14 | Hachiman | With a glove |
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| 12:27.22 | Wormy | Fast enough - it breaks the stings |
| 12:27.34 | Wormy | Would it work with a jellyfish lol |
| 12:27.51 | Wormy | is not willing to try either |
| 12:28.23 | Ghel | You'd want to practice on nettles first before attempting it on the jellyfish. |
| 12:28.26 | ImpyDroid | hi |
| 12:28.33 | Ghel | ~give OluapPlayer a cookie |
| 12:28.33 | infobot | ACTION gives OluapPlayer a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 12:37.57 | Xho | Hm what to do |
| 12:38.06 | Xho | I haven't got long until I have to go back out |
| 12:41.38 | Xho | Well |
| 12:41.42 | Xho | This is a productive discussion |
| 12:42.40 | ImpyDroid | Hmmm |
| 12:43.04 | ImpyDroid | While you are here Xho |
| 12:43.30 | ImpyDroid | Tell me: did Oris have any presence in the Eastern Plains and/or the Seaof Sand? |
| 12:43.43 | Xho | Eastern Plains had minor influence |
| 12:43.45 | Xho | Sea of Sand, none |
| 12:44.06 | Xho | Sea of Sand was pretty much a bad omen to them since they had that massacre there |
| 12:45.09 | Xho | Oris go against Void Denizens with an army of 918,000 = 200 survivors |
| 12:45.16 | Wormy | My typo "vagain" rather than "again" XD |
| 12:46.09 | Xho | Overall it was an army of 3,000,000 and they suffered ~2,998,000 casualties |
| 12:46.42 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: vajeen |
| 12:47.10 | ImpyDroid | I had that idea that the north of the Sea of Sand was originally a jungle under Adamantine Elf control |
| 12:47.31 | Hachiman | I wonder how contraception would work throughout the Fantasyverse |
| 12:47.36 | Hachiman | Or if it even exists |
| 12:47.39 | Xho | Well if that was the case then it would have had to have been incredibly ancient |
| 12:47.53 | Xho | I imagine Oluap would say that the Sea of Sand was around before Vixaatus |
| 12:47.59 | ImpyDroid | Then Oris were like 'stoopid copycat dumbos' and raped their homeland turning it into a desert |
| 12:48.11 | ImpyDroid | Only the northern part, i.e what is now Alhassal |
| 12:48.17 | Hachiman | y u no sohet |
| 12:48.53 | ImpyDroid | Sohets could do that too but Oris are better counterparts to Adas |
| 12:48.53 | Xho | cuz vixaatus older |
| 12:49.04 | Wormy | I'm sure people in the olden days (had inefficient) methods of contraception |
| 12:49.06 | ImpyDroid | Or actually, maybe they both decided to fuck up Adas |
| 12:49.34 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Contraceprion existed since antiquity, it was just faulty |
| 12:49.59 | Wormy | There is something to research |
| 12:50.09 | Wormy | Tell me what you find, I'm curious myself |
| 12:50.25 | Liquid_Ink | Sheep intestines! |
| 12:50.31 | Liquid_Ink | As condoms. |
| 12:50.43 | Liquid_Ink | And I suppose magic could be used for abortions. |
| 12:50.43 | Wormy | I have heard about that |
| 12:51.30 | Hachiman | Magic because there were no coathangers back then |
| 12:51.37 | ImpyDroid | " The Ebers Papyrus from 1550 BCE and the Kahun Papyrus from 1850 BCE have within them some of the earliest documented descriptions of birth control, the use of honey, acacia leaves and lint to be placed in the vagina to block sperm." |
| 12:51.41 | ImpyDroid | Genius |
| 12:51.55 | ImpyDroid | Egyptians were crafty hur |
| 12:52.03 | Wormy | There could be a group of "abortion maids/witches" that use magic to give abortions. They might be illegal in many nations, they might be feared, they might genuinely use foetuses for black magic. |
| 12:52.20 | Hachiman | Abortion witches |
| 12:53.00 | Xho | Kinmo - damn mortals u stoopid |
| 12:53.04 | ImpyDroid | Clothovera's new profession |
| 12:54.12 | Wormy | What if they turn the foetuses into demins? |
| 12:54.14 | Wormy | demons |
| 12:54.19 | Xho | Dear god Wormy step it up |
| 12:55.09 | Hachiman | What if they turn demons into foetuses |
| 12:55.41 | ImpyDroid | That's how Caligaduro will be eventually defeated |
| 12:55.54 | Wormy | who will be mummy |
| 12:55.58 | Hachiman | Clothovera eventually turns Caligaduro into a foetus |
| 12:56.17 | Xho | Caligaduro - hav u got sum problem here Clothovera - not now lol |
| 12:56.30 | ImpyDroid | He then implanta himself into her body |
| 12:56.40 | Xho | Silent Hill shit going on here |
| 12:56.43 | ImpyDroid | Omen-style |
| 13:03.30 | Xho | So I went to this event yesterday and they were playing reggae music |
| 13:03.35 | Xho | I must have listened to about 60 songs |
| 13:03.39 | Xho | That sound exactly the same |
| 13:06.38 | Wormy | Heh, I too went to a music festival yesterday. It was sweet, you had to go on a steam train to it, and even the steam train had bands on. However, they locked the door on us, there was no ventilation and it was really hot and sweaty inside. Everyone was overheating and finding it hard to breathe |
| 13:06.59 | Wormy | I thought we were all doomed |
| 13:07.01 | Xho | Lovely |
| 13:07.01 | Xho | not |
| 13:07.37 | Wormy | We were in one carriage with no air but our own exhalation |
| 13:07.51 | Liquid_Ink | http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2i8vmCi3c1qcytik.gif This is really so obscene. |
| 13:07.56 | Wormy | we had to sing songs to keep conscious |
| 13:08.04 | Wormy | It was like trhe Titanic |
| 13:12.16 | AdmiralPanda | hai buniman |
| 13:12.28 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 13:14.21 | Wormy | I feel like bad luck is upon me |
| 13:15.04 | Wormy | In the space of an hour I've talked about abortionmancy and now the Titanic |
| 13:15.24 | Hachiman | Abortomancy |
| 13:15.36 | Hachiman | Sounds like a good name for a death metal band |
| 13:15.43 | Wormy | Hm |
| 13:15.52 | Wormy | yeah |
| 13:16.07 | Wormy | There is one called "Dying Foetus" I saw at Download |
| 13:16.25 | Xho | Well there you ho |
| 13:16.26 | Hachiman | Aye Dying Fetus is good |
| 13:16.26 | Xho | go |
| 13:16.27 | Xho | Ho |
| 13:16.30 | Xho | Bah |
| 13:18.48 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: Since I'll be working on the Prophet Stone and thus will have to describe Carlini's appearance soon I'd like to ask you |
| 13:20.19 | ImpyDroid | Facial features-wise, what are the Karacay like exactly? Sure they're black but there are different black people |
| 13:20.56 | ImpyDroid | West African-ish, Ethiopian/Somali-ish, Khoisan-ish or South Asian? |
| 13:21.01 | ImpyDroid | Or something else? |
| 13:21.09 | Wormy | He went to beddie byes |
| 13:23.32 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.34 | ImpyDroid | I find anthropology and ethnography interesting, humans are much more diverse than we think |
| 13:26.06 | ImpyDroid | Some (black) South Africans look almost Asian for example http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Eric_B/YoungSanWoman |
| 13:27.52 | Wormy | Do you ever noticed categories of people? I don't mean ethnicities, but when you walk along the street you see types of faces that are similar? |
| 13:28.13 | Wormy | I wonder whether they are related closely as ancient tribes |
| 13:28.32 | Hachiman | Yeah I know what you mean |
| 13:29.42 | Wormy | ImpyDroid: I saw an interesting band yesterday who's album was based on the curious story of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Evans_(explorer) who went to seek a lost tribe of Welsh people in America |
| 13:30.13 | Wormy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frU4o8QTAMk |
| 13:30.17 | ImpyDroid | Wow |
| 13:30.36 | ImpyDroid | Well considering the Vikings did reach America by sea it's not that unlikelt |
| 13:31.06 | ImpyDroid | Then again were the Celts ever expert at seafaring? |
| 13:31.06 | Wormy | music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMybiPjykD0 |
| 13:31.35 | Wormy | There is other speculation that Celtic artifacts were found in the US but it is controversial |
| 13:31.51 | Wormy | The said lost tribe was said to emmigrate in 1170 |
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| 13:32.30 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 13:32.38 | Hachiman | Hai Monet |
| 13:32.44 | Hachiman | You missed a talk about abortion witches |
| 13:32.55 | ImpyDroid | Hai |
| 13:32.55 | Monet_ | LOvely |
| 13:33.04 | Wormy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madog |
| 13:33.23 | Wormy | Would you be surprised if I said I came up with it? |
| 13:33.41 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: Not sure about America but there were ...European-ish peoples in China so that's not unlikely |
| 13:34.07 | Hachiman | I asked how contraception would work in the Fantasyverse and Wormy said something about abortion maids/witches |
| 13:34.09 | ImpyDroid | Hm, if that happened in 1170 it could happen yeah |
| 13:34.33 | ImpyDroid | That turn the aborted phoeti into demons |
| 13:34.38 | Hachiman | We then went on to talk about how they could turn the fetuses into demons and demons/people into fetuses and stuff like that |
| 13:34.55 | ImpyDroid | And then decided that Clothovera be pregnant with Caligaduro |
| 13:35.11 | Monet_ | Dat some Sargeras shi that |
| 13:35.23 | Hachiman | Clothovera turns Caligaduro into a fetus and ingests him and then carries him until he's born again |
| 13:35.35 | Wormy | Still, this plaque was placed where Madog was supposed to have landed http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Mobile_1953_Madoc_plaque.jpg |
| 13:35.50 | Monet_ | I was watching QI earlier and they mentioned that Squanto - the native american leader who saved the pilgrim fathers - spoke fluent english after several trips over the atlantic (the trips from America were not his choice though) |
| 13:36.31 | ImpyDroid | I am not sure how that helps, Welsh isn't English hur |
| 13:37.01 | Wormy | So the plaque should be Welsh hur |
| 13:37.05 | Monet_ | Well what I was indicating was its possible that there were transfers on both sides. |
| 13:37.11 | Wormy | *be in |
| 13:37.28 | Monet_ | As in there were Native Americans who had been taken to europe before the Mayflower landed at Plymouth rock |
| 13:37.30 | Wormy | I have read about the possibility of contact between China and the South Americas |
| 13:38.08 | Wormy | When I was in Scotland I went to a forest and home where a Scottish guy brought back a Native American wife |
| 13:38.20 | Wormy | centuries ago |
| 13:38.22 | ImpyDroid | Well there was contact for sure |
| 13:38.34 | ImpyDroid | After all Native Americans came to America from Asia hur |
| 13:38.44 | Hachiman | Wasn't the Mayflower a ship in the Xeelee Sequence? |
| 13:39.07 | Monet_ | Hachiman: THere was a real-life Mayflower |
| 13:39.34 | Monet_ | So its possible the Xeelee Sequence Mayflower was named after the Pilgrim Fathers' boat. |
| 13:39.47 | Wormy | yes |
| 13:40.16 | Wormy | Anything before the Qax occupation people would have remembered human history |
| 13:40.37 | Wormy | The Qax wiped out human history however in an attempt to tame humanity |
| 13:41.10 | Hachiman | Makes me wonder if time travel can be weaponized in the Sporewikiverse outside of the Taldar and such |
| 13:41.22 | Hachiman | But then again, alternate universes |
| 13:41.41 | Wormy | They destroyed all records, killed the techno-immortalised (those that didn't go into hiding) and even sent nanotech into the Earth's crust to destroy the fossil record and ecosystems |
| 13:42.20 | Hachiman | Didn't the Qax also force the humans to speak an artificial language constructed by the Qax themselves? |
| 13:42.27 | Wormy | They tried |
| 13:43.27 | Wormy | It is likely humans remembered their history in Transcendent, after all, every human in history would have "witnesses" |
| 13:43.52 | Wormy | from the time of Transcendence |
| 13:43.54 | Hachiman | Also thanks to the efforts of the Friends of Wigner I believe |
| 13:43.59 | Wormy | yeah |
| 13:44.42 | Wormy | Jim Bolder bravely defeated the Qax when they stupidly gave him a deactivated Xeelee ship to fly |
| 13:44.56 | Monet_ | Lol. Silly Qax |
| 13:44.59 | Hachiman | Why the hell |
| 13:45.18 | Monet_ | Maybe they thought he was too stupid to get it to work? |
| 13:45.36 | Hachiman | [Aliens] |
| 13:45.47 | Wormy | This is the story of the Qax defeat - Blue Shift http://www.e-reading.ws/chapter.php/148154/26/Baxter_-_Vacuum_Diagrams.html |
| 13:47.29 | Hachiman | So the Xeelee were small creatures then |
| 13:48.27 | Wormy | The Qax sent him out to check out Bolders Ring |
| 13:48.30 | Monet_ | I'm getting the inkling that due to being living topographic defects, "size" is an irrelevant concept to the Xeelee anatomy. |
| 13:48.36 | Wormy | Its hard to say what the Xeelee are |
| 13:48.50 | Hachiman | But they do have physical bodies, right? |
| 13:48.57 | Wormy | I think the Nighfighters are a part of them |
| 13:49.10 | Wormy | Still physical, yes |
| 13:49.26 | Wormy | (I consider spacetime physical) |
| 13:50.05 | Hachiman | So what about the Qax? I always imagined them as being birdlike for some reason but I know that they are born in states of chaos or something like that |
| 13:50.17 | Hachiman | They came from an ocean world or something |
| 13:54.26 | Wormy | They literally look like convection cells of mud |
| 13:54.39 | Wormy | incredibly fragile |
| 13:55.10 | Wormy | As described in the end of the story, they eventually colonised gas giants, galactic orbits and spacetime |
| 13:55.30 | Wormy | Blue Shift is one of the best Xeelee stories |
| 13:56.44 | Wormy | Stephen Baxter argues in one story all complex life must be cellular, but without any limit what form they can take |
| 13:57.14 | Hachiman | So everything is physical one way or another? |
| 13:58.25 | Wormy | yeah |
| 13:58.32 | Wormy | Except maybe, the Monads |
| 13:58.58 | Hachiman | Wormy, could you explain to me in an understandable manner what a cosmic string is? |
| 13:59.13 | Wormy | Maybe the Qax look nlike chalandi plates bt in 3d http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6G3DVSyrSZo/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 13:59.23 | Wormy | yes |
| 14:00.01 | Wormy | It is thought that in the early universe, as it the density of vacuum changed, it didn't do it perfectly, leaving behind broken symmetries |
| 14:00.33 | Wormy | just as no crystal is perfect |
| 14:01.27 | Wormy | A cosmic string is a type of singularity (but conical, unlike a black hole), the conditions of the early universe remain within them |
| 14:02.12 | Wormy | They would be thin but very long |
| 14:02.40 | Wormy | (much thinner than a proton), and with enough mass and density for a 1km string to out-weigh the Earth |
| 14:02.51 | Hachiman | So, a string that contains fragments of the earlier state of the Universe? |
| 14:02.57 | Wormy | yeah |
| 14:03.26 | Wormy | Some speculate they could be natural time machines, due to the nature of the conical singularity |
| 14:03.42 | Hachiman | How would they assist in time travel? |
| 14:04.04 | Wormy | But if you tried to build a loop out of them, they would either self-intersect and decay, or turn into a black hole |
| 14:05.22 | Wormy | I think you could build closed timelike curves with enough negative energy |
| 14:06.31 | ImpyDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.45 | ImpyDroid | That's too much science for me hur |
| 14:07.07 | Hachiman | Sprachbund capanoid race agglutionation? |
| 14:07.26 | Hachiman | *agglutination |
| 14:07.50 | ImpyDroid | That's me spewing random stuff from the sciences *I* specialise in hur |
| 14:08.38 | Wormy | Cosmis strings might have been pivotal in the formation of galaxies |
| 14:09.29 | Wormy | A good website on cosmic string and other tolplogical defects http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/research/gr/public/cs_top.html |
| 14:11.44 | Wormy | I'll be back on my laptop soon |
| 14:12.02 | Hachiman | Makes me wish I made the Zazane more alien hur |
| 14:12.07 | Hachiman | Ah well |
| 14:14.22 | ImpyDroid | Make a species too alien and it becomes hard to symparhise woth rhwm |
| 14:14.23 | ImpyDroid | them |
| 14:14.41 | Monet_ | Most aliens are still quite arseholish though - the Qax tried to erase our heritage, the silver ghosts find us chaotic and unpredictable, the Xeelee feign an uncaring attitude and the photino birds just don't give a shit for baryonic life. |
| 14:15.31 | Hachiman | Well to be fair we initiated war on the Qax and had our asses handed to us, the Silver Ghosts made a few mistakes and angered humans, and the Photino Birds don't know any better |
| 14:16.13 | Monet_ | I'd say the Quax's plan was a little extreme. |
| 14:16.17 | Hachiman | The war between the Photino Birds and the Xeelee came down not to political assholery but survival and environmental preservation |
| 14:16.47 | Hachiman | Oh yeah the Qax were far too extreme |
| 14:17.08 | Monet_ | We declared war and their decision was to erase all pre-occupation history so as far as humans were aware, we served as slaves t othe Qax since forever. |
| 14:17.33 | Hachiman | But then Jim Bolder did blow up their sun and ended the era of the Occupation as well as destroyed the Qax homeworld |
| 14:17.44 | Hachiman | So you can't say humans aren't extreme either |
| 14:18.08 | Monet_ | That sounds more like revenge to me |
| 14:18.13 | Hachiman | Hm true |
| 14:18.54 | Hachiman | But the humans massacred the Silver Ghosts unnecessarily during their xenophobic phase |
| 14:24.43 | Monet_ | Maybe this is a message by Baxter. |
| 14:25.00 | Hachiman | Perhaps |
| 14:25.15 | Monet_ | "Humans may be cruel, genocidal and hateful, but that doesn't mean any aliens we meet will be any better" |
| 14:25.21 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 14:25.57 | Hachiman | But then from what it appears, the only genuinely genocidal and cruel species that are significant in the Sequence are the humans and the Qax |
| 14:26.32 | Monet_ | Reminds me of Hawking stating that if we do meet an alien civilisation, it is posssible they will have a predatory heritage and thus will likely be a threat to our existence. |
| 14:26.44 | Monet_ | not possible, sorry. Likely |
| 14:28.00 | Hachiman | The Photino Birds are possibly not even aware of baryonic life as they devour the stars and reduce them to white dwarves, the Xeelee are largely indifferent at first but appear to be benevolent in the greater scheme of things due to constructing the Ring and creating "heaven universes", the Silver Ghosts trod on the toes of humans by accident |
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| 14:30.17 | Monet_ | The Silver Ghosts may show that humanity has a tendancy t ofind any excuse for a fight. |
| 14:33.42 | Wormy_away | Stephen Baxter can be either very optimistic or pessimistic in his stories, or even both |
| 14:34.39 | Wormy_away | The humans were cruelest between the Assimilation period and the Exultant generation |
| 14:35.43 | Wormy_away | The happiest time was probably between now up the Qax occupation |
| 14:36.48 | Wormy_away | Humans were new in the galaxy, making friiends with a dozen nighbors. Earth was restored to a pre-industrial state, people have very long lives and were colonising the solar system. Wormholes were being built to the stars and starships used GUT energy to heat water ice |
| 14:36.57 | Wormy_away | Basically like giant steam engines |
| 14:37.48 | Wormy_away | After the Qax occupation, a human named Hama Druze created an extremist faction than took over humanity |
| 14:38.34 | Hachiman | What provoked the humans to attack the Qax in the first place? |
| 14:39.01 | Wormy_away | Nothing |
| 14:39.12 | Wormy_away | The Qax saw humanity as something to be "bought" |
| 14:40.21 | Wormy_away | It didn't justify what humanity did after |
| 14:42.10 | Wormy_away | Vacuum Diagrams says: |
| 14:42.53 | Wormy_away | "The only law governing the squabbling junior races of the Galaxy was the iron rule of economics." |
| 14:43.01 | Wormy_away | "The second Occupation of the worlds of mankind was far more brutal than the first. |
| 14:43.16 | Wormy_away | Because there were so few of them, the species called the Qax werenât naturally warlike â individual life was far too precious to them. They were instinctive traders, in fact; the Qax worked with each other like independent corporations, in perfect competition. |
| 14:43.31 | Wormy_away | The Qax enslaved mankind simply because it was an economically valid proposition,â Eve said. âThey occupied Earth because it was so easy â because they could. They had to learn the techniques of oppression from humans themselves. Fortunately for the Qax, human history wasnât short of object lessonsâ¦â |
| 14:44.09 | Wormy_away | They used our own nasty ideas created over human history against us |
| 14:44.16 | Monet_ | So we were a commodity to them? |
| 14:44.29 | Wormy_away | The Qax used some of the human elite at first |
| 14:44.48 | Wormy_away | Until the Friends of Wigner tried to change history |
| 14:44.58 | Wormy_away | yeah |
| 14:45.56 | Hachiman | Sounds like the Xeelee Sequence needed a little more Picard hur |
| 14:46.04 | Wormy_away | lol |
| 14:46.32 | Wormy_away | Still, I'm not sure if the Xeelee Sequence is optimistic or pessimistic |
| 14:46.42 | Wormy_away | it is both at once |
| 14:46.56 | Monet_ | Just like real life :) |
| 14:47.04 | Wormy_away | indeed |
| 14:47.06 | Hachiman | Given the ultimate fate of the universe and the amount of conflict that sprouts throughout the timeline, I'd be willing to say it leans more towards pessimism |
| 14:47.25 | Hachiman | But then, I'm a natural pessimist and a cynic hur |
| 14:48.25 | Wormy_away | But it is optimistic because the laws of the Xeelee universe are geared for life to sprout everywhere, that life and intelligence modifies the universe, that there is a potential for an omegapoint at timelike infinity, and that the Xeelee have compassion for all baryonic in the end |
| 14:48.53 | Wormy_away | The setting has this weird contrast |
| 14:49.02 | Hachiman | Aye it's all very bizarre |
| 14:49.25 | Wormy_away | Earth is also saved |
| 14:49.46 | Hachiman | Aye, I like the idea that Earth has been restored to its natural state |
| 14:50.22 | Wormy_away | Well, during the seige of Sol (1 million AD), mankind turns it into a hyperspatial structure and catapults it to the far future |
| 14:50.39 | Hachiman | ...What the fuck |
| 14:50.56 | Wormy_away | There's a set of stories based on it called "PeriAndres quest" which I haven't read yet |
| 14:51.15 | Hachiman | Why the hell would you catapault the Earth |
| 14:51.34 | Wormy_away | To save it and all its remaining life from destruction |
| 14:51.58 | Wormy_away | The Photino Birds infected Sol in the end the Xeelee had hemmed humanity into Sol system |
| 14:52.57 | Hachiman | Ah now that makes sense |
| 14:52.58 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/530873_491823840864811_255687397_n.jpg |
| 14:53.03 | Wormy_away | It shows the power of the Xeelee though, humanity was SubXeelee at that point, and put up a HECK of a fight |
| 14:53.47 | Wormy_away | Including walls of supernovae and tapping into the collapsing universe mentioned in the story Raft |
| 14:54.04 | Hachiman | I imagine by the time this all happened that ground battles were no longer significant |
| 14:54.12 | Hachiman | And infantry and the likes were obsolete |
| 14:54.14 | Wormy_away | indeed |
| 14:55.10 | Wormy_away | Weirdly it is when the Xeelee also showed us compassion, setting down escape booths (presumably either sending humans to the metric prison or to a universe crafted to humanity by the Xeelee) |
| 14:55.30 | Wormy_away | The Xeelee created heavens for all baryonics |
| 14:55.54 | Wormy_away | n00bs think the Xeelee aren't multiversal but they are noobish |
| 14:56.00 | Hachiman | hue |
| 14:56.40 | Wormy_away | The Xeelee also lived on a timelike curve - maybe in one future incranation of the universe, the Photino Birds are defeated |
| 14:57.59 | Hachiman | I think it would be nice to see Xeelee characters and a more in-depth look at the otherwise alien yet somehow benevolent philosophy and morality of the Xeelee |
| 14:58.37 | Hachiman | Makes me wonder if the Xeelee, due to possessing and excersizing a concept of war and conflict, have had their own internal battles at some point |
| 15:00.52 | Monet_ | Hm it might take away the established effect of the Xeelee |
| 15:01.39 | Hachiman | True |
| 15:01.55 | Monet_ | Part of their mysteriousness and their enigma is we know very little about them, they're never seen but always mentioned |
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| 15:03.46 | Lapworm | Unfortunately my tv doesn't work in my room |
| 15:04.06 | Monet_ | Didn't the proto-Xeelee have a battle for supremacy with the inhabitants of the pre-expansion universe? |
| 15:04.13 | Lapworm | They did |
| 15:04.47 | Hachiman | Did any pre-expansion inhabitants survive? |
| 15:05.24 | Lapworm | They were obltierated |
| 15:05.43 | Lapworm | The Xeelee nearly didn't survive, and hugged onto primedial black holes |
| 15:06.08 | Lapworm | http://www.deviantart.com/journal/The-Xeelee-are-Beautiful-246474747 |
| 15:06.50 | Lapworm | The matter-antimatter asymmetry was also caused by intelligence |
| 15:07.21 | Lapworm | By a later (but still early to us) race that would become part of the Xeelee |
| 15:07.44 | Lapworm | The Xeelee are composed of surviving species from each age of the universe |
| 15:07.53 | Lapworm | thats how I think of them |
| 15:08.49 | Lapworm | Next would come the Quagmites |
| 15:09.00 | Hachiman | Huh so the term "Xeelee" is more in reference to an organization rather than a single race, possibly originating from one of the surviving races? |
| 15:09.35 | Lapworm | Well, think of an organisation of organisms that live symbiotically together as a single melded species |
| 15:10.07 | Lapworm | like the ways our cells found out how |
| 15:11.24 | Lapworm | I don't think the Xeelee have a particular look - their technology and actions, perhaps made of them, also embody them |
| 15:12.56 | Lapworm | The closest we will probs see of them is this: http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/1531-1/%7BB8A3F3CE-F4F7-42CF-94FF-E05754EC5555%7DImg100.jpg |
| 15:13.08 | Hachiman | dem moths |
| 15:17.03 | Lapworm | I enjoyed this book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginning_of_Infinity |
| 15:17.32 | Lapworm | Stephen Baxter in the X Sequence argues life/intelligence has modified in the universe in its past |
| 15:17.56 | Lapworm | David Deutsch argues intelligence will take over the future evolution of the universe |
| 15:21.52 | Hachiman | Aww yiss it's raining |
| 15:22.09 | Hachiman | I like rain when my window's open |
| 15:22.32 | Lapworm | Human cities are not shaped for example, by the processes of geology, but by human creativity, culture and economics. Creativity is the only process that creates such spectacular processes like cities, or space stations carrying people further and faster than any biological adaption, or communicate over substrates biology never has, like nuclear reactions and radio waves |
| 15:22.48 | ImpyDroid | I love rain |
| 15:22.56 | ImpyDroid | Then again it rains constantly where I live |
| 15:22.57 | Lapworm | I'm fascinated by creativity and what it is and how it evolved |
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| 15:26.03 | Lapworm | Most cosmologists would hate me for this but I wonder if the future of the universe cannot be predicted, if you took in complex processes. It almost sounds anti-science at first but what one must remember is that if the future of knowledge is unpredictable, and if the universe can harbour unlimited knowledge growth, the future of the universe is tied up with it |
| 15:26.03 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 15:26.10 | Cyrannian | Hai |
| 15:26.19 | Lapworm | hi |
| 15:27.45 | Lapworm | One may argue entropy will eventually create degenerate and dark ages, which is likely correct given our current understanding. But there are scenarios where complexity may continue to thrive, *if* the solution exists complexity they continue forever |
| 15:28.33 | Hachiman | So alien biology will still evolve even in a cold, dead universe? |
| 15:29.10 | Lapworm | either in other universes, or through hypercomputations (that infinite-computation in finite time idea I used on the Kicath). Intelligence or emergent beings beyond it may modify the universe to support hypercomputation |
| 15:29.58 | Lapworm | Well, some physicists have imagined ultra-slow thinking massive minds that may survive into the dark era |
| 15:30.07 | Hachiman | Hypercomputation? |
| 15:30.16 | Lapworm | thoughts taking many times longer thsn the lifetime of the universe |
| 15:30.59 | Monet_ | Its not too far fetched |
| 15:31.53 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10525811_301398916687477_1763674035079078425_n.png?oh=3b80c80a15f685a34ac8345975207868&oe=5448EE93 Well this is heroic, sorta |
| 15:31.56 | Lapworm | The other possibility is that intelligence or emergent things beyond it either engineer the universe (type IV on the kardashev scale) to expand rapidly enough to power infinite computations or to collapse it, and when the gravitational shear closes on infinity, hypercomp could be ahieved |
| 15:32.26 | Lapworm | That could support an infinite subjective experience of time |
| 15:33.52 | Lapworm | "Problems are inevitable" "Problems are solvable" |
| 15:34.06 | Hachiman | I remember that on the Junction page, the creatures that would become the Junction engineered their bodies to be spherical to preserve what little heat they had left and took eons to think even simple thoughts |
| 15:34.29 | Hachiman | As they lived in a universe that had expanded to the point that it was dying from the absence of heat |
| 15:35.54 | Lapworm | This is why I dare to speculate that the future of the universe isn't predictable. There doesn't seem to be a conservation of complexity, its as if complexity increases indefinately |
| 15:36.21 | Lapworm | It may increase far beyond life, intelligence, or even consciousness |
| 15:37.34 | Hachiman | I remember reading a book once that claimed that time would effectively reverse or something of that manner when the expansion of the universe ceased and began to implode upon itself |
| 15:38.17 | Hachiman | I know that the "Big Crunch" isn't really possible anymore but it made me think about what sort of intelligence would arise in an era where the universe was effectively getting hotter |
| 15:38.24 | Monet_ | There's a few theories as to how the universe would die depending on what hapens with dark amter |
| 15:38.29 | Monet_ | matter* |
| 15:38.55 | Lapworm | Final Anthropic Principle stated by Tipler and Deutsch http://youtu.be/RFgJksJsTF4?t=3m39s |
| 15:39.35 | Lapworm | In my story about Exodium, Exodium attempted to collapse the universe by injecting hypermatter supernovae |
| 15:39.36 | Monet_ | The heat death idea being that levels of entropy reach a point where the temperature of the universe becames largely uniform due to increasing entropy. |
| 15:40.19 | Lapworm | If complex forms have a chance, they will need to stop heat death somehow by engineering the universe in some way or leaving it |
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| 15:41.31 | Monet_ | Although life in a big crunch phase with the universe contracting, it ould probably be little different from a geological timescale from the universe ending in heat death. |
| 15:42.11 | Monet_ | The process will be slow to the point life may not notice in a millions-of-years scale |
| 15:43.19 | Lapworm | It is easier to see how life could survive the Big Crunch - they change their bodies into complex quantum foam, and hypercompute using the power of its collapse to achieve infinite subjective time |
| 15:43.56 | Hachiman | I can imagine that at least one primordial intelligence that developed during the pre-expansion era of the universe may attempt to engineer spacetime in order to initiate the Big Crunch early |
| 15:44.02 | Lapworm | For the Big Rip or heat death, it will somehow have to use the universe's rapaid expansion |
| 15:44.21 | Lapworm | thats a scary thought |
| 15:44.58 | Lapworm | OA has a religion based on these ideas http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c415d124fc07 |
| 15:47.02 | Lapworm | heh, I wonder if I've become Omegist |
| 15:47.22 | Lapworm | I might put it on surveys for lols |
| 15:47.41 | Lapworm | Actually no, I don't have any faith this will happen |
| 15:48.03 | Lapworm | Maybe complexity only enjoys a tiny phase of the universe |
| 15:48.24 | Lapworm | between too little and too much disorder |
| 15:49.08 | Lapworm | But I'm an optimist |
| 15:49.44 | Lapworm | Not of utopian optimism, but merely than problems can be solved and if laws prevent something, those laws aren't evil |
| 15:50.43 | Lapworm | utopian optismism is very close to pessismism |
| 15:51.01 | Hachiman | One thing I find that's a little silly about some hardcore science fiction is that yes, realistically aliens defy a majority of our images of otherworldly intelligence, but somewhere at somepoint, there would be creatures that had developed as an analogue to human physiology rather than say a species that's basically sapient mud |
| 15:53.08 | Hachiman | Or perhaps I'm being too close-minded; perhaps in the viewpoint of sapient mud creatures or other "true aliens", we may be unexplainably complex and defy their image of what otherwordly intelligence may take the form of |
| 15:53.32 | AdmiralPanda | one of my favoured sci-fi stories involved an alien race that followed standard terran biology conventions except it was silicon-based, and obviously was adapted for a horribly different environment |
| 15:54.50 | Lapworm | Rational optimism is defined as a means of explaining and dealing with failure rather than prophesy of success. Evils are caused by our insufficiencies with knowledge therefore. If something permitted by the laws of physics, it is a tech problem. If it is not permitted, it is not evil. There is no way to prophesise the future, but that is not evil because it does not prevent progress |
| 15:55.24 | Monet_ | At the most fundamental level they would have developed as a for mof life best suited ot their environemnt. |
| 15:55.24 | Lapworm | As such we should solve problems NOT avoid them |
| 15:55.59 | Hachiman | I find it hard to believe that terran biology is unique to us, surely it's been repeated billions of times if there is an infinite possibility for forms that cellular life can take |
| 15:56.07 | ImpyDroid | Definitely |
| 15:56.11 | Monet_ | So I suppose one argument for sapient mud existing is that it would have evolved into a niche where intelligent mud thrives best |
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| 15:56.22 | ImpyDroid | Carbon is still the most likely element to form life |
| 15:56.35 | ImpyDroid | Due to its properties |
| 15:56.43 | Lapworm | The world is gearing to prevent climate change at all costs - but that is a disaster and will only slow it slightly (some say it won't at all) and so I support geonegineering and space colonisation and nuclear fusion |
| 15:58.06 | Lapworm | I imagine there might well be exotic aliens, but carbon is probably the most common |
| 15:58.45 | AdmiralPanda | carbon is just the structural molecule, personally I wonder what it'd be like to have a purely metallic life-form |
| 15:58.59 | AdmiralPanda | or at least a metal-based organism |
| 15:59.15 | AdmiralPanda | structural atom* |
| 16:00.21 | Hachiman | It's silly to think that exotic, alien intelligence and physiologically terran life cannot exist and thrive in the same universe, although when I say "terran" I mean anything but the constant spew of humanoids that Star Trek gives us |
| 16:00.36 | Lapworm | "Humanoid of the weeks" its called |
| 16:00.42 | Lapworm | *week |
| 16:01.24 | Lapworm | Star Trek does have some genuily (and unrealistically) weird aliens too |
| 16:01.37 | Lapworm | like the 2D cosmic string life |
| 16:02.09 | Lapworm | I'm not quite sure how 2D things can live on a 1D structure but oh well |
| 16:02.49 | Lapworm | or was it a quantum filament? |
| 16:03.40 | Lapworm | Its explained in ST that humanoid aliens are the manipulation of a precursor biped |
| 16:04.23 | AdmiralPanda | handwaved more like :P |
| 16:04.32 | Lapworm | Here is scene where Klingons and Romulans realise they are related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbHGYlB7208 |
| 16:04.55 | Monet_ | By the principle of quantum chance, I agree that earthlike anatomies might not be a fluke |
| 16:05.21 | Monet_ | If it happens on one location in the universe, it surely can happen elsewhere with the right conditions |
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| 16:05.49 | Quark8 | Hello. |
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| 16:08.00 | Lapworm | There is no law saying every alien lifeform has to look different |
| 16:08.17 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 16:08.21 | Lapworm | hi |
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| 16:10.25 | AdmiralPanda | this guy I'm watching play Space Engineers, his life support system has been down to 0.01% before he could get into a recharge station twice in half an hour |
| 16:10.56 | Lapworm | Thats Zazane level |
| 16:12.02 | Monet_ | Looking at the Gigaquadrantic Conflicts, I'd say the Empire has actually played an interesting move. |
| 16:13.01 | AdmiralPanda | also meteor strikes have become so frequent he's had to build four gatling turrets to protect his mining station |
| 16:13.06 | Monet_ | Their decision by their leaders to abstain from conflict does remind me of president Woodrow Wilson's claim that the USA would not get involved in World War I in principle of war being a detestable thing. |
| 16:13.58 | Jepardi | http://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/a9d3w1D_460sa_v1.gif |
| 16:14.20 | Monet_ | Although the specific US case was a claim Americans were "too proud" to consider war with Germany |
| 16:17.33 | Hachiman | "Unfortunately for Abdullah al-Asiri, âMyth Bustersâ never got around to doing an episode about the proper quantity of explosives you need to shove up your ass to blow up a room â as opposed to just turning yourself into a meat balloon." |
| 16:19.22 | Lapworm | lol where did you get that from |
| 16:22.03 | Lapworm | Its the last stage of le tour today |
| 16:22.33 | Lapworm | I wish I was a rider in it sometimes |
| 16:23.53 | Lapworm | There is so many things I want to do but our lives are so pathetically short and linear I can only have a shot at trying one thing I think |
| 16:24.34 | Lapworm | I'm shooting for geology still |
| 16:28.29 | Lapworm | I even doubt I'll get to do what I want |
| 16:28.50 | Lapworm | Because, so many students leave uni jobless and without chances to get into careers |
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| 16:46.52 | Technodroid | brb |
| 16:48.15 | Monet_ | My sim jsut made a snow-angel: By landing in the snow face-first |
| 16:56.54 | Lapworm | This is weird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome |
| 17:01.12 | Cyrannian | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727170040/spore/images/d/d8/NewRepublicGovernment.png - A collection of New Republic senators and government officials. |
| 17:02.55 | Lapworm | nice job |
| 17:03.04 | Lapworm | a rare glimpse of text too |
| 17:04.18 | Cyrannian | Thanks! Dino made the flag, so credit to him for that. |
| 17:05.46 | Monet_ | He's good with flags and signs |
| 17:07.54 | Cyrannian | Dinner brb |
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| 17:12.15 | Technodroid | returns |
| 17:13.02 | Lapworm | 800 metres... |
| 17:15.06 | Lapworm | datfast |
| 17:28.16 | Lapworm | live tv looks weird |
| 17:28.33 | Lapworm | when interviewing people |
| 17:28.40 | Hachiman | Back to coding up another section of Chronicle of Ire |
| 17:28.44 | Hachiman | Hasn't been updated in a while |
| 17:28.55 | Hachiman | Me and Oluap did another section for it last night |
| 17:29.13 | Technodroid | Hachiman, did you see the new Atonement section? |
| 17:29.20 | Hachiman | I did not, link me |
| 17:29.58 | Technodroid | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ice_Age/Atonement#Mentor_and_Apprentice |
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| 17:31.54 | Hachiman | "Count Raikov" |
| 17:31.57 | Hachiman | dat msg reference |
| 17:32.02 | Hachiman | mgs* |
| 17:32.24 | Technodroid | aye |
| 17:36.01 | Hachiman | Aww |
| 17:36.04 | Hachiman | That was a good section |
| 17:36.14 | Hachiman | Really gives Genrai some character and I like Tovad already |
| 17:37.36 | Technodroid | ^.^ |
| 17:38.13 | OluapPlayer | Technodroid: when will you be back from thus cruise |
| 17:38.34 | Technodroid | August 5th |
| 17:38.46 | OluapPlayer | right |
| 17:40.29 | Hachiman | Monet_: Who is your favourite Star Trek captain? Kirk, Picard, Janeway, etc? |
| 17:40.56 | Monet_ | Either Picard or Janeway |
| 17:41.40 | Hachiman | Isn't Janeway a lot more prone to action than Picard? |
| 17:42.13 | Hachiman | From what I hear, Picard's better at talking his way out of a situation while Janeway isn't afraid to fight her way out |
| 17:42.14 | Monet_ | Picard is more of a philosophical captain |
| 17:42.39 | Lapworm | Picard, Kirk, Riker (alt timelines), Sisko, Janeway, Archer |
| 17:44.14 | Hachiman | I hold Picard as being my more favoured Enterprise captain but I think Janeway has a more memorable crew |
| 17:44.38 | Hachiman | Then again, Picard has Riker and Worf |
| 17:45.09 | Monet_ | http://trekcore.com/gallery/albums/sevenofnine/7of9_s4a.jpg so you lik Voyager for more than this |
| 17:45.18 | Monet_ | Yeah, Neelix is funny |
| 17:45.28 | Lapworm | Riker is a bit of a weirdo http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/03/5-reasons-why-will-riker-creeps-me-out |
| 17:45.38 | Hachiman | Are you joking, she's the reason I love Voyager hur |
| 17:46.17 | Cyrannian|Away | Janeway's my favourite too. |
| 17:46.42 | Lapworm | Riker is always pulling strange faces |
| 17:46.48 | Monet_ | Hachiman: I think half of her entertainment seems ot ocme from living most of her life as a Borg drone |
| 17:48.08 | Hachiman | One of my favourite Star Trek moments is when Picard stops an otherwise ugly battle with a Vulcan (or Romulan, can't remember) admiral simply by challenging him on whether or not he's prepared to die |
| 17:48.26 | Hachiman | Yeah, Romulan I think it was |
| 17:48.47 | Hachiman | Cue two Klingon Birds-of-Prey decloaking and flanking the Romulan vessel |
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| 17:49.15 | Catface | does something random and silly to someone else |
| 17:49.32 | Lapworm | http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/william-riker-sits-crotch-dammit.html/attachment/riker-3 |
| 17:49.34 | Lapworm | hi |
| 17:49.46 | Lapworm | (its Wormy) |
| 17:50.13 | Monet_ | I found his "Picard must have got laid" face side-splittingly funny |
| 17:50.23 | Cyrannian|Away | totally thought Lapworm was a new user |
| 17:50.35 | Cyrannian|Away | Hello Catface! |
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| 17:51.33 | LapWormy | I just love Admiral/Major Grin's vids |
| 17:51.37 | Cyrannian|Away | ^ |
| 17:52.05 | LapWormy | It exposes the crew's psychopathic tendencies, animal urges and weirdness |
| 17:52.13 | Cyrannian|Away | Especially when Picard plans to build a "rape machine". I have no idea where Patrick Stewart said anything like that. |
| 17:52.30 | LapWormy | http://recapsinhindsight.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/s1e10-riker-surprised.jpg |
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| 17:52.55 | LapWormy | http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s112/ajlobster/Gambit%20I%20and%20II/gambitparttwo101.jpg |
| 17:53.11 | LapWormy | I'm going to have to post Riker reaction faces now |
| 17:53.37 | Catface | Monet_:http://i.imgur.com/wWee9xM.jpg |
| 17:54.24 | Monet_ | Picture the scene: Riker asks Picard if he bought the "souvenier" from Risa (A hor'gon; a fertility symbol and public sign you are available), he says yes. Riker then asks "did you have fun on vacation?" and Picard answers a rather sleepy "yes", cue Riker pulling the broadest, most immature grin he can |
| 17:54.27 | LapWormy | Riker - Mmmmugh http://jeffsaporito.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/riker_smile.jpg?w=300&h=229 Data - Uh oh http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x54/TrueX-Ray/TNG%20Caption%20This/TNGCaption167b.jpg |
| 17:55.33 | Monet_ | looking up Riker on google images, I forgot how much of a casanova he was. |
| 17:56.54 | LapWormy | Techno eating pizza http://media3.giphy.com/media/9NRFqwBVL8Gze/200_s.gif |
| 17:58.12 | Monet_ | lol |
| 18:00.09 | Technodroid | it's true |
| 18:00.58 | Cyrannian|Away | Technodroid: I haz coding job for you, if you're able. |
| 18:01.05 | Technodroid | orly |
| 18:01.07 | Cyrannian|Away | *available |
| 18:01.15 | Cyrannian|Away | aye |
| 18:01.38 | Cyrannian|Away | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg/URC - I can't get this to work for some reason. |
| 18:02.53 | Technodroid | what's wrong with it? |
| 18:03.24 | LapWormy | Jo: I couldn't get the Human Republic one to work either |
| 18:03.36 | LapWormy | It just said template:Meta |
| 18:04.25 | LapWormy | its why I didn't use it for the Kindred http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Unknown_aggressors.21 |
| 18:04.36 | Technodroid | Cyrannian|Away, fixed |
| 18:04.42 | Technodroid | LapWormy, link? |
| 18:04.51 | Cyrannian|Away | gives Technodroid a years supply of pizza |
| 18:05.00 | Technodroid | >:) |
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| 18:05.47 | Cyrannian|Away | Hai |
| 18:05.59 | LapWormy | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Msg/IHR |
| 18:06.05 | LapWormy | It used to work |
| 18:06.56 | Technodroid | fixed |
| 18:07.49 | LapWormy | thanks |
| 18:08.05 | Technodroid | np |
| 18:08.17 | Technodroid | it is no longer based on Msg/Meta |
| 18:08.20 | Technodroid | just Msg now |
| 18:08.32 | LapWormy | cool |
| 18:08.32 | Technodroid | because Msg/Meta was dumb and unnecessary |
| 18:08.41 | Technodroid | that's why it wasn't working |
| 18:08.54 | Cyrannian|Away | danke |
| 18:10.10 | LapWormy | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Magellanic_Sovereignty_of_Planets |
| 18:10.23 | LapWormy | MSP now has an emblem/flag courtesy of Liquid Ink |
| 18:15.53 | LapWormy | 10 Weirdest Things Found in Outer Space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7NYKqhrFo |
| 18:15.59 | LapWormy | I can think of weirder |
| 18:28.28 | Technodroid | bbl |
| 18:31.32 | Hachiman | That depressing moment when you see people still think otherworldly intelligence visited our planet |
| 18:34.13 | Hachiman | I cannot see why any intelligent spacefaring species would take the time out of their schedule to come deal with a primitive, barbaric species |
| 18:37.04 | Cyrannian|Away | Ghits and shiggles. |
| 18:38.22 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 18:38.35 | ImpyDroid | Heil |
| 18:38.35 | Hachiman | hai Imp |
| 18:38.37 | ImpyDroid | *Hi |
| 18:38.40 | Hachiman | Oh wow |
| 18:39.15 | Hachiman | I was just saying how it's very unlikely aliens are interfering in the affairs of humans or visited ancient human cultures |
| 18:40.46 | ImpyDroid | It's unlikely unless we move into prehistory, because putting aliens at any point in written history is kinda illogical and violates Occam's Razor |
| 18:41.08 | Hachiman | Occam's Razor? |
| 18:41.40 | ImpyDroid | Of all explanations, choose the least complicated one |
| 18:41.42 | ImpyDroid | Or somethinf |
| 18:42.05 | ImpyDroid | "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected" |
| 18:42.06 | ImpyDroid | There |
| 18:42.36 | ImpyDroid | Simply enough, why presume the aliens helped the Egyptians build pyramids when we know that they could do it without them? |
| 18:42.46 | Cyrannian|Away | I'll be back never kthxbai |
| 18:42.49 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 18:42.54 | ImpyDroid | Bye |
| 18:44.01 | ImpyDroid | Pyramids are a very easy thing to build, and the Egyptians had all the resources and manpower they needed considering that they lived right inside the Fertile Crescent |
| 18:45.52 | Hachiman | It annoys me whenever somebody says "oh Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids by themselves" when they didn't; they had thousands of slaves to do it for them |
| 18:48.26 | Hachiman | The Egyptians were primitive by comparison to modern civilization, yes, but they still had their own innovations and ways of doing things just like every civilization has |
| 18:49.21 | ImpyDroid | They weren't actually built by slaves |
| 18:49.52 | ImpyDroid | They were built by poor peasants who got paid for their work, just like in the modern world hur |
| 18:51.34 | Hachiman | Makes sense hur |
| 18:52.54 | ImpyDroid | Indeed, and do not forget their knowledge of chemistry |
| 18:53.07 | ImpyDroid | (that was to your second post) |
| 18:53.53 | ImpyDroid | The word "chemistry" itself is derived from one of Egypt's names hur |
| 18:56.15 | ImpyDroid | The name the Ancient Egyptians themselves used for their country even |
| 18:56.33 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 18:57.08 | ImpyDroid | The Egyptians called their country "Kemi" or something |
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| 18:58.43 | ImpyDroid | "Khmi" |
| 18:58.45 | ImpyDroid | Hi Mon |
| 18:59.05 | ImpyDroid | "Khmi" -> Al-Khimi -> Alchemy -> Chemistry |
| 18:59.08 | ImpyDroid | Or something |
| 19:00.18 | Hachiman | Monet_: We were just discussing the improbability of alien intelligence interfering in the affairs of pre-modern human civilizations and history |
| 19:00.47 | Monet_ | Right. What bits have I missed? |
| 19:01.17 | ImpyDroid | Simply enough, it's like shoving another card in a cardhouse |
| 19:01.42 | Hachiman | Well Imp brought up that saying that aliens being involved in written history is illogical and violates Occam's Razor, and I brought up the issue of people thinking that the Egyptians were so primitive they needed alien assistance |
| 19:02.28 | ImpyDroid | Let me give another example. Hm... |
| 19:02.34 | ImpyDroid | Remember Prometheus? |
| 19:02.45 | Hachiman | Unfortunately |
| 19:02.47 | Monet_ | The film or the giant? |
| 19:03.42 | ImpyDroid | The film |
| 19:04.58 | Monet_ | I haven't seen it but I'm aware its explaination is lame |
| 19:05.19 | ImpyDroid | One of the parts of the movie if I remember stated that humans learned Proto-Indo-European from the Engineers and shows David conversing with one using PIE |
| 19:07.07 | Hachiman | I remember that in Alien vs Predator, one of the archeologists stated that the pyramid they were in, located beneath Antarctica mind you, contained design and linguistic aspects of Aztecs, Macedonians, and at least one other culture |
| 19:07.17 | Hachiman | Which, as you would know Imp, is a fucking stupid idea |
| 19:07.42 | ImpyDroid | Nahuatl is a language isolate hur |
| 19:07.52 | Hachiman | It hints at the idea of Aztec/Macedonian/other culture language stemming from one "super-language" |
| 19:08.12 | Monet_ | Not sure if Prometheus is the best example because I remember reading that "around 2000 years ago" (don't quote me I haven't seen the film) is when the Prometheans did a 180 on their opinion of us. |
| 19:08.16 | ImpyDroid | Well, there *are* super-languages. There are just several, not one |
| 19:08.42 | Hachiman | Yes but the location where they got this info from is BENEATH Antarctica |
| 19:08.43 | Monet_ | So I think Prometheus may or may not be coloured by anti-christian opinion. |
| 19:08.59 | Hachiman | Far, far away from where the Aztecs and Macedonians were established |
| 19:09.33 | ImpyDroid | Anyway; problem with that logic is, if that was true, then all of a sudden the links between the Indo-Europeans and the other languages of the world, which do exist, would be severed, as would... pretty much everything in history |
| 19:10.10 | ImpyDroid | Essentially, you shove aliens somewhere and the whole system falls apart |
| 19:10.25 | Hachiman | Aye exactly |
| 19:10.38 | Hachiman | This is why you keep alien interference outside of written and recorded human history |
| 19:10.47 | ImpyDroid | And while we are on Indo-Europeans and Prometheus |
| 19:11.16 | ImpyDroid | Why is only PIE descended from Engineer language? |
| 19:11.37 | ImpyDroid | Does Riddley Scott essentially say that aliens specifically chose white people as their pupils? |
| 19:12.04 | Monet_ | Probably |
| 19:12.06 | ImpyDroid | Indo-European is pretty much synonymous to "white" |
| 19:12.13 | Hachiman | Well, it was a black guy and an Asian guy that stopped the Engineer ship from taking off |
| 19:13.06 | Monet_ | Could it be symbolic that the Engineers had ivory-white skin? |
| 19:13.38 | ImpyDroid | So they took those hairless apes that resembled them the most hur |
| 19:15.07 | Hachiman | I find it ngh that the scientist woman said that the Engineers are their CONFIRMED ancestors due to sharing a similar amount of DNA |
| 19:15.20 | Hachiman | Keep in mind that BANANAS share a lot of human DNA as well |
| 19:15.52 | Hachiman | Well, either that or we and other apes share a lot of banana DNA |
| 19:16.14 | Monet_ | Both but engineers probably share more. |
| 19:16.35 | Monet_ | I think that was the film's message. |
| 19:17.13 | Hachiman | Yeah but that means nothing realistically; everything on Earth is related in one way or another due to the idea of common ancestry |
| 19:17.27 | ImpyDroid | Ya |
| 19:17.40 | ImpyDroid | Prometheus is extremely confusing hur |
| 19:17.53 | Monet_ | And that's why it sucked as a film |
| 19:18.22 | Hachiman | It was trying to be too symbolic and up its own arse |
| 19:20.16 | Ghel | Of course, as was the original topic of the discussion, if you're going to make a film about such significant alien intervention in human history, it's all but guaranteed to be scientifically inaccurate just from that premise. |
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| 19:21.25 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:21.32 | ImpyDroid | Engineers speaking PIE is still racist and fuck if you think about it hur |
| 19:21.56 | ImpyDroid | *racist as fuck |
| 19:22.08 | Ghel | I would hope that Proto-Human would have been used if it were available. |
| 19:22.19 | ImpyDroid | "Hey we're aliens and we gave you language BUT ONLY TO THE WHITE ONES" |
| 19:22.38 | ImpyDroid | *you our language |
| 19:22.45 | Monet_ | No wonder RIdley Scott's reputation is down the toilet |
| 19:23.05 | ImpyDroid | Proto-Human would just be a series of uggs and growls hur |
| 19:24.28 | Monet_ | When you think about it, Hollywood is like that. |
| 19:25.07 | Monet_ | Star Wars for instance, in the original trilogy, *all humans are white except Lando Calrissian* |
| 19:26.24 | Hachiman | Star Trek; white characters are philosophical and interesting, black characters are funny and/or dangerous, and everything that isn't human is racially one-dimensional stereotype |
| 19:27.36 | OluapPlayer | Wormy: I've been doing reworks on Silver Death aka the Junction's main soldier and I was wondering if you'd like to expand on the technology behind him |
| 19:27.50 | ImpyDroid | Monet_: Yeah and people get used to it |
| 19:28.04 | ImpyDroid | I remember playing ME1 for the first time |
| 19:28.31 | ImpyDroid | The multiethnic society of the Systems Alliance kinda surprised me, in the good way |
| 19:28.56 | ImpyDroid | Still, all the Russian guys are either evil or die in seconds hur |
| 19:29.09 | ImpyDroid | *in a |
| 19:29.12 | Monet_ | :Murica: |
| 19:30.06 | Monet_ | What I find funny is that Shepard probably has canadian heritage. |
| 19:30.39 | ImpyDroid | j |
| 19:30.53 | Monet_ | At the very least, Earthborn Shepard was born in Canada |
| 19:31.10 | ImpyDroid | Well all Sheps have slightly Canadian accents don't they? |
| 19:31.23 | Monet_ | That's right Reapers, a CANADIAN saved the universe! |
| 19:31.55 | ImpyDroid | Eh? |
| 19:32.04 | ImpyDroid | I'm sorry |
| 19:32.19 | Hachiman | olol |
| 19:32.29 | ImpyDroid | I hate when authors include minorities just *because* though |
| 19:32.44 | Monet_ | Jenniger Hale and Mark Meer are Canadians. |
| 19:32.55 | Monet_ | So yeah, Shepard is from Canada |
| 19:33.13 | ImpyDroid | GW2 kinda annoyed me with that personally |
| 19:33.50 | ImpyDroid | Sure humans there are of all ethnicities unlike in most fantasy games... except that they all happen to live in a huge completely European castle |
| 19:35.55 | Monet_ | And the human protagonist has a "typical" American accent |
| 19:36.04 | Monet_ | human PC sorry |
| 19:36.47 | ImpyDroid | That doesn't even make sense in-game, GW1 Kryta wasn't European |
| 19:37.40 | ImpyDroid | That, and for some reason all the decisively non-European humans are evil zombies hue |
| 19:37.55 | ImpyDroid | ...Actually, TBH |
| 19:38.04 | ImpyDroid | We ourselves are not much better |
| 19:38.22 | Monet_ | We're not? |
| 19:38.39 | ImpyDroid | How many non-white human characters do we have in the both verses? |
| 19:38.50 | ImpyDroid | Named ones at least |
| 19:40.21 | Monet_ | A couple. |
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| 19:50.08 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 19:51.47 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:53.57 | Monet_ | At least for the most part we're not -as- one-dimensional with our aliens as say Star Trek, right? |
| 19:55.49 | Monet_ | Looked though the dialogue for Prometheus |
| 19:56.11 | Monet_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.58 | Monet_ | Basically "I cant' explain why to you because you I don't know no human would ask something lik this" |
| 19:58.37 | OluapPlayer | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727195818/spore/images/9/94/Cyclonian_Overking.png I remade this |
| 19:59.58 | Monet_ | THat is a massive arsenal upgrade |
| 20:01.23 | ImpyDroid | It looks like an anime mecha hur |
| 20:02.17 | OluapPlayer | I'll take that as a compliment |
| 20:03.29 | Wormy | Oluap: I'd love to, I'll work on it later |
| 20:03.38 | OluapPlayer | Cool |
| 20:04.12 | OluapPlayer | Just so you can get an idea, Silver Death is a mass of utility fog who's supposed to be able to shapeshift into anything he wants and turn his limbs into guns and weapons and stuff |
| 20:08.05 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Clanden/Great_Xonexian_Schism - c |
| 20:08.20 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AAttero_Dominatus/Borealis_Campaign#Alfabusium.27s_Victory you can check this to see Silver Deaht in action |
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| 20:09.09 | DrodoEmpire | AB: I read |
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| 20:10.06 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 20:10.09 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 20:10.13 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:10.31 | Monet_ | Hello |
| 20:10.51 | Wormy_ | hi! |
| 20:11.21 | Cyrannian | has a McFlurry om nom nom |
| 20:12.12 | Monet_ | Ew McDonalds. |
| 20:12.21 | OluapPlayer | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727201137/spore/images/a/a3/Borealis_Overking.png spooky ghost |
| 20:13.00 | ImpyDroid | Hi Cyrannian |
| 20:14.33 | Cyrannian | Hi there |
| 20:14.45 | Cyrannian | Nice work, Oluap. looks creepy |
| 20:15.05 | ImpyDroid | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__yamtf7cB2g/SLfIgGTOeyI/AAAAAAAAAHU/vAQ1uWPrBO4/s400/Cthulhu+Evolution.jpg |
| 20:15.37 | Xho | Jesus this chat is still on |
| 20:16.42 | Xho | I thought I would have disconnected hours ago |
| 20:16.55 | Monet_ | I wodnered why you were so quiet |
| 20:17.03 | Xho | Yeah I was gone at like half 2 hur |
| 20:17.13 | Xho | Seven hours ded |
| 20:18.11 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Holy shit those look great |
| 20:18.37 | Xho | Right brb again top kek |
| 20:20.19 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian: Sorry for not responding yesterday, I was a bit distracted |
| 20:20.47 | ImpyDroid | I really like the new Libertus page, I can still give a top quote if you want to |
| 20:21.16 | Cyrannian | No problem, what did you have in mind? |
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| 20:23.08 | Quark8 | Hello. |
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| 20:26.09 | ImpyDroid | "Sharp. If I were to describe the Libertus in one word, it would be this one. Their minds are as their talons: piercing, deadly, precise instruments of good or evil... like blades. It is no coincidence that they have always been at the spearhead of all great movements of the Galaxy. They would not have been great otherwise." - Xor Nazar |
| 20:26.24 | ImpyDroid | Dere |
| 20:27.18 | Cyrannian | Ooh, I like it. |
| 20:27.59 | Cyrannian | Feel free to add it to the top of the page. |
| 20:29.45 | ImpyDroid | It'd be a bit hard for me to do from an Android |
| 20:30.13 | Cyrannian | Oh right, I'll add it then. |
| 20:31.03 | ImpyDroid | Also, the fact that you stated that the Libertus have never developed the concept of sexism and homophobia made me think |
| 20:31.51 | ImpyDroid | I imagine that would mean their very physiology has some differences from hymans |
| 20:31.59 | ImpyDroid | *major differences from humans |
| 20:32.27 | Monet_ | Probably less sexual dimorphism going on. |
| 20:32.45 | ImpyDroid | Yep, and probably no gender roles |
| 20:33.24 | ImpyDroid | As for the lack of homophobia, I imagine that Libertus females have to be more fertile on average than humans |
| 20:33.32 | Monet_ | "women are weak" I'd say comes from how women are commonly shorter and all-round less muscular than men. (testosterone acts as a growth hormone as well as an adrenal). |
| 20:34.26 | ImpyDroid | The reason homosexuality exists in the first place is because it limits the amount of children a community has and prevents overpopulation |
| 20:34.36 | ImpyDroid | *can have |
| 20:35.03 | ImpyDroid | Monet_: Women however possess more endurance and physical resistance |
| 20:35.20 | Technodroid | >:) |
| 20:35.20 | Technodroid | mwahahaha |
| 20:35.44 | Monet_ | So a more fertile female gender offsets the detriment to the population's growth caused by homosexuals. |
| 20:36.39 | Monet_ | Actually that may cause problems of its own as it could mean that big families are mroe the norm among Libertus. |
| 20:37.14 | ImpyDroid | ya |
| 20:38.31 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10565155_266069826923714_838035035480114253_n.png |
| 20:39.41 | Cyrannian | I didn't imagine that physiology had a lot to do with it. They simply don't place an emphasis on the distinctions between gender or sexual preferences as much as 21st Century humans do. |
| 20:40.32 | ImpyDroid | Yes but the distinctions between gender and sexual preferences have physiological sources |
| 20:40.42 | ImpyDroid | Sexism stems from gender roles |
| 20:40.53 | Monet_ | There needed to be reason behind the idea. |
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| 20:42.05 | Monet_ | Also being reptiles there's another evolutionary incentive for raising a family being gender-neutral: No need for breastfeeding |
| 20:42.55 | Monet_ | In early human history, one of the reasons women stayed with the newborns was becuase the babies could only consume milk, which males don't produce. |
| 20:44.01 | Monet_ | Being carnivores and reptiles, Libertus hatchlings I imagine can digest meat from birth. So there is no need to be fed by a specific gender in that regard. |
| 20:44.03 | ImpyDroid | Tits have power hur |
| 20:44.25 | ImpyDroid | Or maybe Libs regurgitate food in their stomach for kids |
| 20:44.45 | Hachiman | Aye tits have power |
| 20:44.46 | Hachiman | I'll agree |
| 20:45.05 | Monet_ | ImpyDroid: That too. |
| 20:45.17 | Monet_ | That's what birds do after all |
| 20:45.24 | Monet_ | And dinosaurs iirc |
| 20:45.58 | ImpyDroid | Again, both genders can do that |
| 20:46.39 | Monet_ | Yeah. |
| 20:47.01 | Monet_ | Nature is wonderful, bizarre, disgusting and controversial all at once! |
| 20:50.51 | Xho | You know |
| 20:50.57 | Xho | I still don't know what to do |
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| 20:51.52 | Monet_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Clanden/Great_Xonexian_Schism read this |
| 20:51.58 | Xho | Just did hur |
| 20:52.05 | Technodroid | read muh epic fictions |
| 20:52.11 | Monet_ | Where might the Kicath stand? |
| 20:52.13 | Technodroid | [[Fiction:Ice Age/Atonement]] |
| 20:52.13 | morgothBotPy | Technodroid meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ice_Age/Atonement |
| 20:52.45 | Xho | http://manchesterrollerderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Home-Simpson-with-his-popcorn.jpg This is the Kicathian Remnant |
| 20:53.26 | Xho | Technodroid: Santorakh - u can atone by eatin cheese |
| 20:53.40 | Technodroid | Genrai Nal - 1v1 me bro |
| 20:53.51 | Xho | Dear god I don't know where the Remnant would stand |
| 20:54.07 | Xho | They'll probably take a neutral stance and shy away very quickly |
| 20:54.19 | Monet_ | One side the DCP, the other the DI. |
| 20:54.37 | Monet_ | Such is the nature of political tensions |
| 20:55.02 | ImpyDroid | Technodroid: Wow, good stuff |
| 20:55.11 | ImpyDroid | You definitely do things better on your own |
| 20:55.13 | Technodroid | ^.^ |
| 20:55.26 | ImpyDroid | You're more of a solo girl, like me I guess |
| 20:55.39 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chronicle_of_Ire#God_of_Death New CoI section |
| 20:55.45 | Cyrannian | The New Republic would be very disappointed that the anti-DCP coalition would take such a stance considering that the DCP saved the countless civilisations in the War of Ages and certainly the Plazith Rim during the Annihilation. |
| 20:55.45 | Xho | DI - dammit fite for us Kicath - guys have u seen the DCP DCP - fite for us Kicath - guys have u seen dem lot |
| 20:55.52 | OluapPlayer | yey |
| 20:55.58 | OluapPlayer | Read that |
| 20:56.05 | Xho | "God of Death" |
| 20:56.06 | Xho | Reading |
| 20:56.45 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: That was dark |
| 20:56.53 | Technodroid | read mine after :c |
| 20:57.35 | Xho | Angazhar - hey cold guy wanna job |
| 20:58.15 | Xho | It was dark |
| 20:58.18 | Xho | I like it |
| 20:58.26 | Hachiman | There's more to come |
| 20:58.39 | Hachiman | I will say that after the next section it will get darker |
| 20:58.41 | Monet_ | Cyrannian: The DCP are indeed in everyone's debt for saving many, many civilisations. But one has to be careful as such reputation can be used a a shield against brnging up past and present transgressions. |
| 20:58.52 | Xho | yey |
| 20:59.06 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: Can I have a question? |
| 21:00.08 | star_truck | All glory to neutrality! |
| 21:00.24 | Liquid_Ink | "Will the surface of the Moon change when you die?" |
| 21:00.29 | Liquid_Ink | Use this question well. |
| 21:00.35 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10364170_266099186920778_6206853317973875333_n.jpg?oh=625fdd336c8f20bff172e4363926822c&oe=544497A5&__gda__=1413160655_37d4bd5972cd0e5e13b01214792f5538 |
| 21:00.42 | Liquid_Ink | You may also ask a question. |
| 21:00.53 | Xho | Juggulo |
| 21:00.53 | OluapPlayer | Yes, CoI is only going downhill for now on |
| 21:01.05 | Xho | The inner Xho is appeased with this sentence |
| 21:01.24 | OluapPlayer | Both inner and outer must reed future sections then |
| 21:01.48 | ImpyDroid | I like the shift in tone |
| 21:01.48 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03nqjy7FIBA Must be as dark as this |
| 21:01.57 | ImpyDroid | Starts nice and the suddsnly GRIMDAAARK |
| 21:02.56 | OluapPlayer | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130717002216/spore/images/e/ef/Pertannar.png also reminder that this is Khol's boss |
| 21:02.57 | star_truck | shadowplay is only for 600 series and above. Fuck. |
| 21:03.05 | ImpyDroid | Liquid_Ink: What do the Karacay, in terms of facial features, look like? I mean they are black but there are different types of black |
| 21:03.20 | Hachiman | Correction: Khol's boss becomes that hur |
| 21:03.24 | Liquid_Ink | Hmm. |
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| 21:03.32 | Zmr56 | Hi there |
| 21:03.46 | Zmr56 | ~seen drom |
| 21:03.49 | infobot | drom <~dromlexer@78-69-64-21-no123.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #cyrannus, 18m 17s ago, saying: 'But a question though. How are your fictions coming along in GC?'. |
| 21:03.49 | OluapPlayer | Same thing really |
| 21:04.13 | Zmr56 | aww sheet |
| 21:04.22 | Xho | Kilchárunya - man brah he got issues |
| 21:05.50 | OluapPlayer | There's two more sections for this, let's call it, 'arc' |
| 21:05.59 | OluapPlayer | I'm eager for the third section to get published |
| 21:06.14 | OluapPlayer | That was the most fun I had writing in a while |
| 21:06.16 | Xho | Is it so edgy you'll cut yourself by thinking about it |
| 21:06.29 | OluapPlayer | >edgy |
| 21:06.31 | OluapPlayer | end urself pls |
| 21:06.33 | Xho | >hih |
| 21:06.35 | Xho | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 21:06.41 | Hachiman | No but CoI will get darker after this |
| 21:06.44 | Hachiman | Much darker |
| 21:06.59 | Xho | http://media.giphy.com/media/qhURwEDavrGQE/giphy.gif cue Angazhar |
| 21:07.12 | Cyrannian | That was a nice section, Hachi und Oluap! |
| 21:07.21 | OluapPlayer | Thank you o fetid one |
| 21:07.31 | OluapPlayer | I get reminded of the reversed version of that gif |
| 21:07.33 | Hachiman | Thought you said fetus then |
| 21:12.07 | Cyrannian | I need one more New Republic senator, any ideas what race s/he could be? |
| 21:12.50 | ImpyDroid | Cyrannian humie |
| 21:14.00 | Cyrannian | They'll be joining the Terran Republic |
| 21:14.20 | Quark8 | brb |
| 21:15.28 | Cyrannian | I'll make her a Lutumite |
| 21:15.40 | Xho | Hm |
| 21:15.46 | Xho | I might make a physical avatar for Angazhar |
| 21:15.54 | OluapPlayer | Another one hur |
| 21:15.56 | Xho | Well |
| 21:15.59 | Xho | A unique one |
| 21:16.33 | Monet_ | Xho: If it helps the Remnant, here's how the sides are looking http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Great_Xonexian_Schism |
| 21:16.45 | Xho | Like Draguros has a skeletal demon and Santorakh is a rotting Kicath |
| 21:16.59 | Xho | DCP - plazith pls |
| 21:17.20 | Angrybirds | Most of the Orion League is expected to join the Allies, but we haven't heard back from all of them yet. |
| 21:18.00 | Angrybirds | Speaking of which. Zmr56 : Where would the Confederation of European States stand? |
| 21:18.12 | Zmr56 | Allies |
| 21:19.51 | Quark8|Away | Oh my human empire will be neutral. |
| 21:20.58 | Xho | Although then again I like Angazhar's form as a disembodied eye |
| 21:22.08 | Xho | But no the Remnant is definitely staying out of the schism |
| 21:22.22 | Xho | They're not going to take sides on that front |
| 21:28.07 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Cyrannian_Republic/Government - New page, it took a while to make all those senators |
| 21:30.05 | OluapPlayer | Technodroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_c4cpZ1itA |
| 21:30.32 | Technodroid | can't really view youtube that well on cruise ship connection :/ |
| 21:30.58 | OluapPlayer | baw |
| 21:31.29 | OluapPlayer | It's a JonTron-themed remix of a Final Fantasy track |
| 21:31.35 | OluapPlayer | "J-E-N-O-V-A" |
| 21:31.41 | Technodroid | <3 |
| 21:31.47 | Technodroid | I will bookmark that when I get back |
| 21:31.52 | Technodroid | love that track, love JonTron |
| 21:32.32 | OluapPlayer | Speaking of which |
| 21:32.37 | OluapPlayer | You didn't watch the new JonTron did you |
| 21:32.47 | OluapPlayer | The Titanic one |
| 21:32.58 | Technodroid | I can't watch anything on YouTube :( |
| 21:33.12 | OluapPlayer | That's another thing to look forward to hur |
| 21:33.17 | Technodroid | so unless it was out before the cruise started, probably not |
| 21:33.23 | Technodroid | awww sweet |
| 21:33.27 | OluapPlayer | You should remember if you did |
| 21:34.02 | OluapPlayer | He reviewed games based on Titanic the movie |
| 21:34.36 | Cyrannian | kicks OluapPlayer |
| 21:34.41 | Cyrannian | c paeg, you have people in it |
| 21:34.44 | OluapPlayer | noh |
| 21:34.47 | OluapPlayer | punches Cyrannian |
| 21:34.55 | OluapPlayer | Jokes on you I got it open |
| 21:34.59 | Cyrannian | unpunches himself |
| 21:35.54 | Cyrannian | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727212002/spore/images/4/41/SenatorUlani.png - Also, let's all appreciate the beauty of this lady. |
| 21:36.05 | OluapPlayer | 10/10 waifu material |
| 21:37.26 | Xho | Kicath - And I thought we were scary sometimes |
| 21:39.43 | OluapPlayer | http://i.4cdn.org/v/1406490575264.jpg Skyrim, more like Spooky |
| 21:40.07 | Wormy | By the way all: I'm going on holiday on Tuesday, camping, so I won't be doing fiction next week |
| 21:40.09 | Xho | So |
| 21:40.14 | Xho | A skeleton with Hatsune Miku's hair |
| 21:40.20 | Xho | Spooky indeed |
| 21:40.32 | OluapPlayer | Hatsune Miku's hair because why the fuck not you're a skeleton |
| 21:40.35 | MonetAway | Meh |
| 21:40.38 | Wormy | Any fiction I or you want me to do needs to be done tonight and tomorrow |
| 21:40.50 | Xho | The Elder Spooky V: Skyrim |
| 21:40.56 | MonetAway | I don't find skeletons scary at all |
| 21:40.57 | OluapPlayer | Elder Spooks |
| 21:41.10 | MonetAway | Actually, I think they're mildly comical |
| 21:41.14 | OluapPlayer | I find skeletons goofy |
| 21:41.15 | Xho | I don't find skeletons scary |
| 21:41.17 | Xho | Apart from Nito |
| 21:41.23 | OluapPlayer | Which's why I like skeleton jokes |
| 21:41.24 | Xho | Nito creeps the fuck out of me |
| 21:42.04 | MonetAway | Its because the way the human skull is arranged a skeleton with an unmodified skull looks like its happy and jolly to me, anyway bbl for real |
| 21:42.37 | OluapPlayer | Shame I don't have this Nito webm with me otherwise I'd post it |
| 21:43.26 | OluapPlayer | I'll jsut say it has a grabby hand |
| 21:43.46 | Xho | ngh |
| 21:44.11 | Xho | http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6livhY4jq1qb4qhxo1_500.png |
| 21:44.27 | Angrybirds | Imagine if we could map a Sporewiki conflict like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_AZ3j2LbY |
| 21:44.37 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 21:44.56 | OluapPlayer | Nito's a mass of skeletons, in the second game he reincarnated into a mass of living people |
| 21:45.30 | Xho | oh deer lord |
| 21:45.51 | OluapPlayer | http://guides.gamepressure.com/ds2/gfx/word/339152320.jpg your face when Vorius is a game boss |
| 21:46.47 | Xho | geezush |
| 21:47.09 | OluapPlayer | he's actually pretty easy hur |
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| 21:50.02 | Xho | I remember you saying that Nito in the first game was easy |
| 21:50.19 | OluapPlayer | He is |
| 21:50.26 | OluapPlayer | He's incredibly sluggish |
| 21:52.01 | Cyrannian | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727215134/spore/images/5/57/ApolloWormulusMeeting01.png - Take a look or dai |
| 21:52.54 | Xho | Wormulus rides with mucho bitches |
| 21:53.28 | Zmr56 | nice |
| 21:54.01 | Hachiman | https://38.media.tumblr.com/395347354447ab42786dbe6723444d20/tumblr_mskx5v8RFc1qdlh1io1_400.gif Santorakh |
| 21:54.46 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10526088_301466426680726_1797862271191507342_n.png |
| 21:54.50 | OluapPlayer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqovvj1J-g0 have Nito's boss fight |
| 21:55.19 | OluapPlayer | Watching this video makes me realize how much my Dark Souls 1 lagged at that point |
| 21:55.19 | Xho | Hachiman: Santorakh - DROPKICK Krath - y |
| 21:56.05 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10565094_890330997654579_5410527476041857852_n.jpg?oh=38afca43bdc66da2877e96c2674b3f5f&oe=545570B5 |
| 21:56.09 | Xho | That cutscene before the fight is what does it for me |
| 21:56.19 | Xho | so much nope |
| 21:56.42 | OluapPlayer | You might be surprised to know that he's actually the most benevolent god in the setting hur |
| 21:57.21 | Xho | r u srs |
| 21:57.26 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 21:57.34 | Hachiman | Largely for the fact that Nito minds his own fucking business hur |
| 21:58.27 | OluapPlayer | Yeah, while all the other gods are being jerks or screwing things up big time, Nito is just taking a nap at his tomb doing nothing wrong |
| 21:59.10 | Hachiman | In fact Nito's worshippers in DkS2 are tall, attractive women who sing to soothe the tortured souls of the undead |
| 21:59.25 | Xho | My favourite boss (even though I haven't actually played the games) is Artorias |
| 21:59.39 | Hachiman | Aye Artorias is awesome |
| 22:00.08 | OluapPlayer | Artorias is the most badass character in the game |
| 22:00.16 | Xho | Even though he looks like an absolute sod to fight |
| 22:00.24 | OluapPlayer | Oh he is |
| 22:00.27 | OluapPlayer | Believe me, he is |
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| 22:01.29 | OluapPlayer | Artorias can mop the floor with you while having gone crazy, having a broken arm, having lost his greatshield and not having his wolf companion with him |
| 22:01.44 | OluapPlayer | And then you realize someone else fucked Artorias up to get him on that state |
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| 22:08.53 | Xho | Well I gotta go |
| 22:08.59 | Xho | That weekend went too quickly |
| 22:09.02 | OluapPlayer | u ded lul |
| 22:09.08 | Xho | YOOOOOH |
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| 22:14.01 | Tybusen | I swear that Senator Naberrie's hat gets larger and more complex every time I look at it |
| 22:14.34 | Cyrannian | Soon it will devour the universe. Only Apaltar's hat keeps it in check. |
| 22:16.50 | MonetAway | Hi |
| 22:18.04 | Tybusen | The Great Convergence is upon us. Soon Naberrie's Hat will make us whole. |
| 22:20.06 | Monet_ | Angrybirds: I didn't realise how much the Axis dominated Europe by 1941. |
| 22:20.36 | Angrybirds | They pretty much owned all of it. xD |
| 22:21.13 | Monet_ | I knew about Norway, Poland and France, but not Chequoslovakia. |
| 22:21.26 | Tybusen | Czechoslovakia was one of the first to fall |
| 22:21.32 | Monet_ | Or Greece. |
| 22:21.35 | Tybusen | Actually, it got annexed before WWII even began |
| 22:21.48 | Tybusen | Greece was the one where Hitler had to bail out Mussolini for being an idiot |
| 22:23.47 | Monet_ | Also while I was in Iceland I learned as to why it sided with the Allies. |
| 22:24.06 | Monet_ | Put simply...Britain sent a garrison force. |
| 22:24.21 | Liquid_Ink | Denmark - Daddy's going away now, so Britain will take care of you. |
| 22:26.39 | Monet_ | Iceland - Aww come on! |
| 22:27.20 | Monet_ | Also I remember hearing that China was pretty divided during the war, at least during the early stages (not that the Chinese government will admit it) |
| 22:28.38 | Angrybirds | Yeah, between the PLA, Nationalist China, and local warlords. |
| 22:28.54 | Angrybirds | I was thinking we might do a similar animation for the war in the Milky way. |
| 22:29.25 | Tybusen | China was a mess between the fall of the Empire and the end of the Civil War |
| 22:29.41 | Monet_ | That would be interesting since thanks to FTL and the spaces between stars,attacks on inner worlds while skipping outer ones is more likely to happen |
| 22:30.37 | Angrybirds | The way France's defenses are set up, you'd have to take over the border worlds before going to the core. |
| 22:31.12 | Monet_ | I remember that China banned Hearts of Iron II because it showed an accurate portrayal of WWII China |
| 22:31.36 | Tybusen | The DCP has the Maelstrom system in place, which, depending on how it works, would probably require the conventional approach |
| 22:32.43 | Tybusen | I wonder if Communist China will ever fall like the Soviet Union |
| 22:33.52 | Monet_ | Probably once we significantly cut down on buying their stuff. |
| 22:34.14 | Wormy | Upcoming, August and September. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Scrapbook#Ideas |
| 22:34.24 | Tybusen | Communist China might be around for a while since unlike the Soviet Union, China has a very strong singular national identity while the Soviet Union was trying to keep together a bunch of different national identities |
| 22:34.39 | Wormy | I wonder if its too much DX/XD I may need help |
| 22:35.03 | Tybusen | China is also more collectivist than a lot of the nations that made up the USSR |
| 22:35.08 | Monet_ | Communism also appeals to the East Asian sense of collectivism. That and the Chinese Government pretend to be a democracy |
| 22:35.45 | Monet_ | It may be hopelessly corrupt but its a step away from not bothering with the idea at all |
| 22:37.12 | Monet_ | I recall Perestroika - an attempt to feed capitalism into the USSR mindset - was the final nail in the ocffin |
| 22:37.29 | Tybusen | I think Communist China would probably be able to keep its hold on China as long as they don't get their version of Gorbachev |
| 22:38.27 | Tybusen | Communist China actually has a bit of capitalism mixed in, they do have some private companies in certain sectors of the Chinese economy, but a lot of the sectors involving the means of production are controlled by the state |
| 22:38.44 | Tybusen | They call it a "socialist market economy" |
| 22:38.46 | Wormy | Refresh, I added Station Halcyon ideas I and others have come up with |
| 22:39.47 | Monet_ | Well it seems to work |
| 22:40.28 | Tybusen | As far as I know, China has a fairly stable economy, and despite all of the overwhelming corruption, its political system isn't about to go up in flames |
| 22:40.54 | Cyrannian | Looking forward to it, Wormy. |
| 22:41.04 | Monet_ | Although then again half of those instant cities they have built and their economy is taking a hit due to companies looking elsewhere for cheap products |
| 22:41.26 | Monet_ | half those isntant cities are *still* virtualy empty |
| 22:41.44 | Wormy | thanks |
| 22:41.51 | Tybusen | Yeah, China's losing a lot of the outsourcing market because their economy is doing better |
| 22:41.54 | Wormy | I'm pleased my fiction interest has rekindled |
| 22:42.13 | Tybusen | Better economy = better wages = foreign companies don't want to outsource there anymore |
| 22:42.24 | Wormy | I only hope I can fit in with my RL projects but I think no rudh |
| 22:42.29 | Wormy | rush |
| 22:42.41 | Tybusen | I've read that Mexico and India are now becoming the major outsourcing markets for US companies |
| 22:43.29 | Monet_ | Yeah. |
| 22:43.45 | Monet_ | And now there are loads of Indian yuppies emerging as a result |
| 22:45.02 | Tybusen | Yeah, I've read about how there's a big divide now between the wealthy Indians and the poor masses of India |
| 22:45.09 | Monet_ | Its trends li this that make me wonder if the worldwide abolition of slavery (slavery in this case being sweatshops and cheap labour) is viable for the current world economy. |
| 22:45.32 | Monet_ | As depressing as this may sound |
| 22:45.54 | Tybusen | Modern slavery as it is is a product of globalization |
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| 22:46.26 | Tybusen | I find it hard to imagine though what the world economy would be like without the exploitation of cheap labor |
| 22:46.33 | Monet_ | Maybe there's a moral here: Exploitable labourahs been the backbone of a strong economy since tiem immemorial |
| 22:47.01 | Tybusen | That's true, business has always been about making money off of the labor of others |
| 22:48.27 | Monet_ | It could still be the case in the future - like relying on cheap labour to keep automated assembly lines running smoothly |
| 22:49.01 | Tybusen | Yeah, there will always be some need for manual labor |
| 22:49.11 | Monet_ | Today's shop workshop floor supervisors are tomorrow's exploited workforce. |
| 22:49.37 | Monet_ | And even if you autonomise *them* someone has to be *their* eyes |
| 22:50.01 | Monet_ | Like someone monitoring from a camera station |
| 22:50.03 | Tybusen | You can have machines to watch over the other machines, but you always need a human overseer for all of the machines |
| 22:50.17 | Tybusen | There is never such thing as a perfect machine |
| 22:50.57 | Tybusen | Besides, not providing human oversight to machines or automatons leads to things like I, Robot and The Terminator |
| 22:51.29 | Monet_ | I remember some people complainigng the Imperium was being cruel with the whole "sub-citizen" thing because its a veiled form of slavery. |
| 22:51.58 | Tybusen | It's a more blatant form of slavery than the kind that we have today |
| 22:52.40 | Tybusen | At least today we have the courtesy to call them "working-class citizens" rather than "sub-citizens" |
| 22:53.29 | Monet_ | Class sysems are more blurry in modern Estern society than they are in the Imperium |
| 22:53.35 | Monet_ | Western* |
| 22:55.18 | Tybusen | I guess we like to think that all of the West finally abolished slavery by 1889, but really slavery just disappeared and became something else |
| 22:55.34 | Hachiman | So I watched the episode of TNG called "Skin of Evil" and I gotta say, Armus is pretty damn terrifying |
| 22:55.59 | Tybusen | Who knows, maybe it will take another few thousands of years before this form of labor exploitation is abolished as well and replaced with something else |
| 22:56.18 | Hachiman | A psychic, semi-liquid entity that is filled with rage that is unknown eons of years old |
| 22:56.27 | Monet_ | Hachiman: Aside from her constant talk of how depressing her homeworld was, I liked Tasha Yar. |
| 22:56.35 | Hachiman | Aye she was hot |
| 22:57.00 | Monet_ | It was a real hit to the franchise formula. |
| 22:57.07 | Cyrannian | She's in a mission of STO, did you encounter her yet? |
| 22:57.12 | Hachiman | Not yet |
| 22:57.28 | Monet_ | As she died as quickly and pointlessly as any redshirt |
| 22:57.50 | Tybusen | She shows up in the special episode at the end of the Klingon War arc |
| 22:58.12 | Cyrannian | I also like Sela, even though she didn't show up a lot. |
| 22:58.20 | Hachiman | Armus is sympathetic, sort of, but I can't get over how sadistic and terrifying he really is by comparison to the otherwise standard crew |
| 22:59.01 | Hachiman | Suddenly Picard arrives and kicks Armus' arse with philosophical trash talk |
| 22:59.09 | Monet_ | Tybusen: Perhaps there is some shred of merit to the Imperials in that they realise that exploitable labour is the bulk of many kinds of economy and have the sense to regulate the whole thing |
| 22:59.21 | Hachiman | Which is why Picard is my favourite captain hur |
| 23:00.01 | Tybusen | Monet_: I guess that's the equivalent to the government creating and enforcing minimum wage laws and workers' rights laws today |
| 23:00.45 | Tybusen | Western slavery was never regulated to the extent that Western labor is regulated today |
| 23:02.19 | Monet_ | Tybusen: Yeah prettymuch. I also reworked the system so that so long as PoWs are willing to live in the Imperium and recite with honesty an oath of alliegence, they can be given full citizenship. So not every alien captured in wartime is doomed to a life as second-class citizens |
| 23:03.55 | Monet_ | Hachiman: What do you think of Q |
| 23:04.01 | Tybusen | Does the Imperium usually engage in POW exchanges? From what I've seen they seem to usually keep who they capture |
| 23:04.01 | Hachiman | I like him |
| 23:04.09 | Hachiman | Q's quite an interesting character |
| 23:05.34 | Monet_ | Tybusen: Its possible that it happens. |
| 23:06.05 | Monet_ | Although normally PoWs processed into sub-citizens get a chip. |
| 23:06.10 | Wormy | This theme goes with the DCP Civil War, and perhaps GC as well http://youtu.be/JG_F4uNZci0?t=38m45s |
| 23:06.13 | Monet_ | under theri skin |
| 23:07.24 | Monet_ | Scary thought that there might be TIAF citizens who either still have them from the Firestorm incident, or had one installed, had it removed but still in some way "feel" it in their bodies. |
| 23:10.16 | Monet_ | I've been wondering about writing up a section of Wrath of the Imperium where we see some unfortunates going though prisoner processing |
| 23:11.53 | Monet_ | It would also be the first time a character in the story sees what Draconis actually look like |
| 23:13.16 | Tybusen | Prisoner - oh I already know what they look like, they're just overweight salamanders, this one guy I watch talks about them all the time |
| 23:13.51 | Tybusen | Draconis - *cuts TV access across the entire planet* |
| 23:14.04 | Monet_ | Hah! |
| 23:14.31 | Monet_ | So far all most characters have seen out on the field is what I could best describe as a big dragon-shaped Iron Man suit with synthetic muscle tissue underneath the armour. |
| 23:15.25 | Tybusen | "Guys, guys, it's not a conquering army, it's Tony Stark!" "*everyone breathes a sigh of relief* |
| 23:16.18 | Monet_ | "so how come all these Tony Starks are shooting at us?" |
| 23:16.50 | Tybusen | "What if we've actually been terrorists this entire time?" |
| 23:17.09 | Monet_ | "No wai u lie" |
| 23:18.13 | Tybusen | "He sending a message to us! Maybe we all need to look inside ourselves and say, 'Who's the real terrorist here?'" |
| 23:18.42 | Tybusen | Meanwhile, the Draconis soldiers are watching from afar, extremely confused. |
| 23:19.50 | Knight_Alien | XD |
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| 23:21.05 | Monet_ | Hi |
| 23:21.18 | TekDroid | Finally, stable phone signal. |
| 23:21.20 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 23:21.30 | Monet_ | http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/245/a/8/a86956675fa5904d455b1c36c1306e72-d48lwxh.jpg this is probably the closest expample I can find to the artificial muscle body gloves the DI use |
| 23:21.56 | TekDroid | That's interesting. |
| 23:22.01 | Monet_ | This or the tissue on the Crytek Nanosuit |
| 23:23.55 | Monet_ | My later pictures of Uriel in his armour you can see that he is also wearing one |
| 23:30.39 | Monet_ | Actually I think i'll go to bed early tonight. I was up until 5am last night to watch the demolition of the cooling towers of my local power station |
| 23:31.19 | Monet_ | THose towers may look unappealing to sume, but they were still a local landmark. |
| 23:43.06 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Plazithian_Seismomachy/Old_Friends_Reunite - New story, take a look! |
| 23:44.21 | Monet_ | I'll have a full look tomorrow. Goodnight. |
| 23:44.40 | Cyrannian | Night! |
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| 23:45.13 | OluapPlayer | Apollo and Emperor Wiggly |
| 23:46.23 | Wormy | This will take a long time to fill out! http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/History/Development#History_of_notable_wars_and_conflicts |
| 23:47.26 | Cyrannian | I might make some more stories involving Apollo travelling the Gigaquadrantic in his pimped out diplomatic ship, meeting bitches and such |
| 23:48.31 | OluapPlayer | Gorf - i wanna drive |
| 23:49.24 | Cyrannian | Maybe he, Laoi and Kara can visit Koluap and Maryah. Gorf related awkwardness ensues |
| 23:49.43 | OluapPlayer | That sounds fun |
| 23:50.13 | OluapPlayer | Koluap - ew wats dat Gorf - honk donk Koluap - its scaring me get it off |
| 23:51.23 | Cyrannian | ngh |
| 23:51.56 | OluapPlayer | Gorfination |
| 23:55.08 | Cyrannian | Ngh, I need to get up early tomorrow morning for work. This saddens Cyrannian and makes him want to eat a bus full of nuns. |
| 23:56.00 | OluapPlayer | Ew, work |
| 23:56.10 | OluapPlayer | This reminds me, tomorrow I have to go back to college |
| 23:56.12 | OluapPlayer | Ew, college |
| 23:57.34 | Wormy | All the while I'm going on holiday next week |
| 23:57.45 | Cyrannian | shakes his fist at Wormy |
| 23:57.56 | Wormy | uni students normally get most of the summer off |
| 23:58.16 | Wormy | Though, I am still studying a heckload |
| 23:58.30 | TekDroid | I'm heading of to start university in a few weeks. :O Half excited and half terrified. |
| 23:58.39 | Cyrannian | Well technically I was off for four months until I decided to get a part time job in the County Archives. |
| 23:58.53 | Wormy | thats good actually |
| 23:59.12 | Cyrannian | It's interesting, but I'd prefer to be in bed. :P |
