IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140717

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00:10.11OfficerJackalHello!
00:10.54DrodoEmpireHey.
00:25.06DrodoEmpireSo I've obviously struck a nerve with that page... What do people want done with it? I'm reconsidering a full-out deletion.
00:27.58DrodoEmpireNo one? Alright.
00:28.09HachimanI say keep it and expand on it
00:28.52DrodoEmpireI know AdmiralPanda mentioned how I could instead bring in a group of people to compile it that way.
00:29.13DrodoEmpireSeems like a good idea.
00:29.38DrodoEmpireThough yeah, expanding on it too is a plan
00:30.49DrodoEmpireWell I guess really the big thing that got people mad or whatever was the blacklisted weapons list.
00:31.36HachimanNobody got mad, only you got mad
00:31.43DrodoEmpireI... Guess I could streamline it but there's a good reason that it exists; Blowing up a heavily-populated world is rarely a necessary objective to win a war nor is it ethical.
00:32.05DrodoEmpireHence why I said "Whatever"; I said it jokingly/sarcastically.
00:32.30DrodoEmpireAnd yes, I sort of did bend a bit under the pressure of several people sending rapid-fire messages at me.
00:32.39DrodoEmpireSorry about that.
00:36.23Monet_Its fine
00:36.34DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Declaration_of_the_Conduct_of_War#Section_IV:_Lawful_and_Unlawful_Weapons.2C_Ammunition.2C_and_other_Implements_and_Uses_thereof - There, streamlined the list.
00:37.27DrodoEmpireI removed flamethrowers and incendiary weapons only because plasma weapons may fall under that category and I allow weapons that can partially destroy a planet.
00:37.45DrodoEmpireCurved sabres are now fine too, if not totally ethical
00:38.00Monet_They look reasonable to me
00:38.14DrodoEmpireThanks
00:38.34Monet_Depending on the faction, sabres may be less of an issue if cavalry are less-used
00:38.39DrodoEmpireYeah
00:39.02DrodoEmpireThough a mention to it at least in the first edition I guess was inevitable; It is a Drodoian document
00:39.12DrodoEmpireAnything else? I still need to include something about essence users and other more exotic weapons
00:39.40Monet_How would you regulate essence use?
00:39.56DrodoEmpireNo idea; Hachi suggested it so I'm still mulling it over
00:39.57HachimanIs the sabotaging of an enemy's weapons illegal?
00:39.57Monet_Prohibiting haemokinesis perhaps?
00:40.18DrodoEmpireNo.
00:40.21Monet_Or using some form of telekinesis to cause paine.
00:41.17DrodoEmpireYeah, but really this document is more of a broad essessment of people and there place on the battlefield, with a few blacklisted items thrown in.
00:41.32DrodoEmpireIt doesn't really and doesn't really have to get into the nitty-gritty
00:42.24Zillafire101Well, I'm off to eat for a bit. Cya all later.
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00:42.28DrodoEmpirebye
00:42.29Monet_Ued right, spychics can really fuck with their victims worse than any gas weapon
00:42.36Monet_psychics*
00:42.40DrodoEmpireI'm considering banning the use of large-scale nanoswarms
00:43.03HachimanI feel self-replicating nanoswarms could come under planetary-scale weapons
00:43.13HachimanThen again depends on how they're programmed
00:43.16DrodoEmpireSeeing as they can be used for wanton destruction and it must be absolutely agonizing to be devoured by one.
00:43.24DrodoEmpireProbably
00:43.39DrodoEmpireSo self-replicating nanoswarms, used in a military capacity are blacklisted?
00:43.56HachimanSounds good
00:44.05HachimanBesides, always the threat of rogue nanoswarms
00:44.07Monet_I'd say they count
00:44.09DrodoEmpireRight
00:44.40Monet_Nanoswarms can replicate either toxic gas or a deadly pathogen depending on how programmed
00:44.45DrodoEmpireSo anywhere else in the document that might be outdated or need work?
00:44.48DrodoEmpireYeah
00:45.04DrodoEmpireTo a nation that has ready access it can render a lot of weapons obsolete
00:45.37Monet_What wouldswat or armed plice come under?
00:45.44Monet_would SWAT*
00:46.02DrodoEmpireAll Law Enforcement Personell fall under non-combatants; But if Non-combatants actually fight then they become combatants
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00:46.27DrodoEmpireSo sort of on the fence but they are assumed to be noncombatant by default.
00:46.30DrodoEmpireHey
00:46.32HachimanDoes the same go for armed civilians, even if they use unofficial weaponry?
00:46.51Monet_Hachiman: Presumably
00:47.13Monet_They're acting aggresively, i.e. provoking an attack
00:47.14DrodoEmpireArmed civilians, and if they actually fight are partisans
00:47.56DrodoEmpireWhich depending on if they A. Bear arms openly, B. wear a recognisible insignia and C. have an officer, are legal combatants.
00:48.09DrodoEmpireAnd are fully protected under the conventions.
00:48.41HachimanDoes this document cover stuff like super-soldiers?
00:48.42Monet_Best way to tell if someone's a non-combatant is how they rect to foreign soldiers
00:48.56Monet_If they attack, they're combatants, if they panic or run, they're non-combatants
00:49.27DrodoEmpireWell they're combatants and so long as they use legal weaponry and follow the legal rules of war they're fine.
00:49.39DrodoEmpireThe document's broad enough not to necessarily need specifics
00:49.45DrodoEmpireBut can have them added
00:50.02HachimanCould have a list of blacklisted augmentations and such
00:50.08DrodoEmpireTrue
00:50.12DrodoEmpireWhat may it include?
00:50.51Monet_The rule-of-thumb of blacklisted items appears to be the ability ot cause unnessessary damage or pain
00:51.02DrodoEmpireYes.
00:51.10HachimanAugmentations that can cause malign mental affects to both the augmentee and others I assume would be one
00:51.22DrodoEmpireAs well if they're original or primary intent is as a terror weapon
00:51.28DrodoEmpireYeah,
00:51.41DrodoEmpire*there
00:52.05DrodoEmpireTo be a blacklisted weapon they have to "I. They cause an excessively large amount of damage over a very large area,  II. They cause an undue amount of personal harm and pain,  III. Its primary use is against civilians as a terror weapon, and  IV. They otherwise violate the terms of this document."
00:52.18DrodoEmpire(Not all four, BTW)
00:53.18Monet_Thing is about weapons or articles that cause pain or discomfort; unless the augmentation was built by a dubious company and sold on the black market, it probably wouldn't be sellable.
00:53.27Monet_pain or discomfort for the user*
00:54.00Monet_Most economies ask for stuff to be tested before its sold t othe public
00:54.31Monet_Not just to comply with trading standard but to also avoid being sued.
00:54.35DrodoEmpire"Augmentations of any kind that corrupt the mind of the augmentee (II) Augmentations that cause physical pain to the augmentee (II)"
00:54.52DrodoEmpireTrue; Though it may be best that these are included for completeness.
00:55.40Monet_Yeah
00:56.04Monet_Its reasonable to understand "alcohol and cigarettes are legal so who knows what else the government could make legal"
00:56.47Monet_Buuut these two particular products are so ingrained that they were impossible to ban without causing a class five shitsotrm or makret crash
01:04.23DrodoEmpiretest
01:06.34Monet_Watching Jurassic Park III makes me think. While all films are illusion and its a matter of continuity, sometimes that illusion that something makes sense gets shattered
01:07.30Monet_Like three people asking who has the only phone and they hear it - inside the belly of a Spinosaurus 50 metres away who magically appeared there despite the phone gradually increasing in volume
01:07.49Monet_Not even a teeny tremor or an itty-bitty thump.
01:09.50Monet_I also love III's logic on how to show the dinos
01:11.05Monet_Spinosaurus -> Spino on T-rex fight -> raptors -> more raptors -> surprise Spino attack -> surprise spino attack again -> Suropod herd with the classic "wonderous" tone of Jurasic Park's tradmark tune
01:12.47Monet_I think seeing the scary-going-to-eat-you dinosaurs first then the gentle giant sauropods lessens the whimsical feel of seeing the sauropods
01:21.24Monet_AdmiralPanda: I've been watching a few comedians and I'm guessing that Fosters isn't something a proper Australian would drink.
01:23.32Monet_Wheras if you see Fosters' adverts over in the UK you'd think that its the drink of choice by all thick-blooded twentysomething Aussie men.
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01:31.08Monet_Actually it might not jsut be the UK
01:31.36Monet_WHen the Simpsons go to Austrailia, Homer orders a "giant beer" and gets given a can of Foster's.
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01:37.07DrodoEmpireHey
01:37.30TekDroidHey DrodoEmpire
01:37.39Monet_Hello
01:37.59Monet_Now that I think about it, Brits are becoming less and less hooked on tea.
01:38.16Monet_You go into a local town or city centre, there's usually 2-3 coffee shops around you.
01:38.52Tybusencackles as he sees the American Invasion is nearly complete
01:39.30Monet_I haven'tseen many Starbucks though
01:40.11TybusenAre there more Dunkin' Donuts than Starbucks in Britain?
01:40.15Monet_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Coffee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffe_Nero these are the two chains I see most.
01:40.32TybusenI know that Dunkin' Donuts is way bigger than Starbucks on the US East Coast
01:40.47Monet_I think i've only seen one outlet that may have been a dunkin donuts
01:41.00Monet_Or it might have been something else
01:41.18TybusenI think Dunkin' Donuts is mostly a domestic chain here in the US
01:41.19Monet_So to me DD is practically nonexistant in the UK
01:41.48TybusenAnd I haven't seen any Costa Coffe or Caffe Nero at all in the US, so I imagine those two are also largely domestics
01:42.06TybusenThough I live on the West Coast, which is where Starbucks is at its most powerful, so...
01:42.15Monet_Well according to Wikipedia they do exist i nthe US
01:42.26Monet_Caffe nero I mean
01:43.01TybusenThey must be on the East Coast because here in California all I see are either Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, or mom-and-pop shops about to be taken over by Starbucks
01:43.35Monet_The UK is more hooked on America's McDonalds, Burger King and pizza chains like Pizza Hut.
01:44.12TybusenFor whatever reason, Seattle is apparently considered the center for American coffee brands
01:44.43Monet_I'm lsot on that one
01:44.56TybusenLots of major coffee chains came out of Seattle (including Starbucks) but I have no idea why it was Seattle
01:45.31Monet_I've been to New York and I have seen evidence for the joke that you can get Starbucks virtually opposite each other
01:45.40TybusenUsually when I think of Seattle I think of marijuana, grunge, hipsters, and Canadians
01:46.01DrodoEmpirelol
01:46.15Monet_I was near the Emprie State building and there were 2 starbucks at either end of a north-south road.
01:46.20TybusenThere used to be an old saying in the US that you could find a gas station on every corner of a major intersection, but now it's Starbucks
01:46.41Monet_starbucks, one at either end*
01:47.09TybusenThere are also drive-thru Starbucks if you can believe that
01:47.19Monet_I sort-of can
01:47.26Monet_Oh and Subway, we have Subway.
01:47.27DrodoEmpireI can. :P
01:47.40TybusenThey're more common out here in California where the buildings aren't so packed together but I wouldn't be surprised if some New York suburb has one as well
01:47.59TybusenOoh, Subway, I like Subway
01:48.10Monet_I lived off Subway while I spent a year at university. I'd always have a sub for lunch.
01:48.11DrodoEmpireTim Hortons (big coffee brand over here in Canada) places usually have drive-thrus unless they're part of a food court.
01:48.44Monet_It was either that or tea and a cake at Caffe Nero or Costa
01:49.04TybusenDrodoEmpire: Is Tim Hortons from Vancouver?
01:49.20DrodoEmpireI... I don't think so, nope.
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01:49.25TybusenMonet_: way to reinforce those British stereotypes
01:50.07Monet_I'm one of a declining number of brits who drinks tea.
01:50.55Monet_What's wierd is this stereotype exists, but for as long as I can remember the social venuse of choice for a Brit was the local pub.
01:50.59TybusenI personally prefer tea over coffee
01:51.18Monet_We brits love our beer.
01:52.00TybusenYeah, but I think every single nation on Earth has some stereotypical association with some kind of alcohol
01:52.21TekDroidWhat's Canada's?
01:52.23TybusenLoving beer is hardly a British-exclusive stereotype
01:52.31TybusenTekDroid: Beer
01:52.35DrodoEmpireI guess really good all-round beer. XD
01:52.57TybusenPractically every Western nation is associated with beer
01:53.02TybusenRussia has vodka
01:53.06TybusenJapan has sake
01:53.11TybusenOr beer too
01:53.28TybusenI think France is closely associated with wine
01:53.32Monet_Well this might be true of other cultures but brits drink a lot. Its common for friends to go to a pub and drink enough alcohol that they can no longer stand up
01:55.57TybusenI think drinking a lot is also a stereotype of Americans and Germans
01:55.59Tybusenand Russians
01:56.22Tybusenand you also have the Japanese salarymen who wear their neckties as bandanas
01:56.30Monet_Wat
01:56.55Monet_I thought only rebelling teenager or really drunk twentysomething business-- oh
01:57.19Monet_I corrected my own point
01:57.32TybusenMaybe the Japanese aren't necessarily associated with drinking a lot, but when they do get drunk they party hard
01:58.17Monet_Young peopel and binge drinking appears to be the norm the se days
01:58.29Monet_Although it might have been so for ages
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01:59.40Monet_I suppose my favourite thing about a coffee shop is the atmosphere https://warosu.org/data/ck/img/0042/02/1359842680875.jpg
01:59.51Monet_I like relaxing in an environemtn li this
02:01.19TybusenI remember that Austria was famous for its coffee houses back in the 19th century or so
02:01.34TybusenMaybe some of those old coffee houses are still around
02:02.03Monet_Maybe
02:02.48Monet_Although I do wonder how common it is in AMerica to go out with friends purely to see how drunk you can get.
02:13.33TybusenIf you're in university that's common
02:13.50TybusenI think adults might do it depending on how willing they are to do those things
02:15.56Monet_Luckily I've only stumbled across one or two completely hammered groups
02:16.42Monet_I've bever been out late enough to run into groups kicked out of a pub when last call is made.
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03:57.28DrodoEmpireHey
03:58.51OfficerJackalHello!
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04:44.14DrodoEmpireHey
04:44.40DrodoEmpirehttp://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=458687821272
04:52.52Val_You'll have to forgive me, but that was the most random thing I've seen on this day
04:52.59Val_hur
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05:02.35DrodoEmpireAh
05:02.36DrodoEmpireSorry
05:05.14Val_I mean, it is actually funny
05:06.46DrodoEmpireAh, alright
05:07.34DrodoEmpireThough I understand why an Austrailian, plate-armoured bandit from the 19th century may be interpreted as "random". XD
05:12.45Val_Lol haha
05:13.01Val_So where are you from DrodoEmpire
05:13.02Val_?
05:13.10DrodoEmpireCanada,
05:13.15DrodoEmpireNova Scotia, to be exact
05:13.36DrodoEmpireThe land of fog, unemployment, fishing, and more fog.
05:13.36DrodoEmpire:D
05:13.42DrodoEmpireAlso trees.
05:13.51DrodoEmpireLots and lots of trees.
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05:19.13Val_lol
05:19.19Val_I'm from Mexico
05:19.51Val_The land of unemployment and tacos
05:19.56Val_lots of tacos
05:20.10DrodoEmpirelol
05:20.12DrodoEmpireI see
05:20.21Val_I was asking because its 00:22 here
05:20.41Val_It is way past my bedtime
05:20.43Val_hur
05:21.03DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Declaration_of_the_Conduct_of_War - Also, Val_, I wouldn't mind your input on this
05:21.16Val_Sure!
05:21.57DrodoEmpireThanks!
05:22.07Val_Want me to quote it? Or just give my thoughts?
05:22.14DrodoEmpireEither-or.
05:22.25Val_All right
05:22.31DrodoEmpireI wouldn't mind if you also took a look at the Drodo but I don't want to overburden you or anything. XD
05:22.32Val_Let me read it
05:22.37DrodoEmpireAlright.
05:22.43Val_Don't worry!
05:22.46Val_I love reading
05:23.01Val_I'll go to the Drodo as soon as I finish the declaration
05:23.57DrodoEmpireAlright. XD
05:25.39Val_All right!
05:25.46Val_Here are my thoughts!
05:25.50DrodoEmpireGo ahead
05:26.04DrodoEmpireAlso, you are a very, very fast reader.
05:27.53DrodoEmpiretest
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05:29.19Val__Lol sorry
05:29.29Val__Got disconnected
05:29.35Val__Anyway, I was saying
05:29.53Val__We write in an Universe where the principles of war vary
05:29.58Val__a lot
05:30.00DrodoEmpireI know.
05:30.11Val__There are factions that run extermination wars
05:30.15DrodoEmpireyeah
05:30.51Val__Even among the most advanced, when war comes, they seek to annihilate or cripple each other
05:30.56DrodoEmpireWhich by nature are unethical. :P
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05:31.03Val__Exactly!
05:31.06DrodoEmpireAt least from the Drodo's point of view
05:31.28Val__I can write about how my fiction admires your for having a war code even among this chaos
05:31.35DrodoEmpireSo, sorry if this comes off as rude or curt I don't mean it to be; What's your poi-
05:31.36DrodoEmpireAh.
05:31.45DrodoEmpireRight
05:32.48Val__My point is, the amount of users in the wiki who could join will be varied
05:32.53Val__Even in my case
05:33.00DrodoEmpireIndeed
05:33.13Val__I have fiction that could submit into the declaration
05:33.28DrodoEmpireI'm hoping a major political organization like the Orion League will adopt it so there's a government body to properly enforce it.
05:33.35DrodoEmpireAlright
05:33.45Val__That will be the ideal thing to do
05:34.07Val__However, remember that when facing a vicious enemy, those rules will no longer apply on both sides
05:34.28Val__I think that even the Drodo will put them aside when facing an extermination war
05:34.33DrodoEmpireWell, I am thinking of applying a clause that means this need not necessarily be followed by a non-signifier.
05:34.37Val__if that case ever presents itself
05:34.56DrodoEmpireOr if said enemy is not "civilized" or sentient.
05:35.12Val__That would be great
05:35.17DrodoEmpireThough, "civilized" is a very, very dangerous word.
05:35.21DrodoEmpire:P
05:35.26Val__Yeah haha
05:35.40Val__many factions in our universe have a different concept of civilized
05:35.52DrodoEmpireIndeed
05:36.01Val__Anyway
05:36.08Val__It is a good declaration
05:36.11Val__nice job
05:36.12DrodoEmpireThanks.
05:36.14DrodoEmpire:D
05:36.19Val__And the Drodo Empire looks awesome!
05:36.25DrodoEmpireMeans a lot coming from a user like yoursel
05:36.28DrodoEmpire*yourself
05:36.31DrodoEmpireAh, thanks
05:36.33Val__Man, they are well expanded
05:36.39Val__better than mine
05:36.47DrodoEmpireNo, that's impossible!
05:36.48DrodoEmpire:D
05:36.51DrodoEmpireis flattered
05:36.58Val__Mine is just a good concept of a good idea
05:37.04DrodoEmpireAh
05:37.09Val__yours is a written, elaborated idea
05:37.11Val__so congratz
05:37.15DrodoEmpireThanks.
05:37.33Val__I wonder, is your fiction participating in any collab right now?
05:38.27DrodoEmpireWell its Quadrant colonies are in part of a cameo in one of dino's fictions
05:38.30DrodoEmpireBeyond this, nope.
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05:44.12Val_Man, I keep disconnecting...
05:44.20Val_Anyway DrodoEmpire
05:44.27DrodoEmpireYep?
05:44.28Val_I'll leave for now
05:44.35Val_I'll see you around
05:44.40Val_keep up the good work!
05:44.52DrodoEmpireAlright, see ya!
05:44.54DrodoEmpireThanks
05:44.59Val_I hope to read about your fiction in more collabs!
05:45.05DrodoEmpireThanks!
05:45.09Val_See ya around!
05:45.13DrodoEmpireSee ya!
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06:56.17LordRaydonI... have been gone for a long time. While I'm sure none of you are one right now, I think I should throw out an explanation:
06:58.22LordRaydonThe first and foremost was reason is a simple one: Life. I sorta-- ran out of time in my life to work on stuff here, so yeah. The second reason being that my computer had a horrible crash where I lost most of the stuff I was working on, and I gave up on it out of frustration. But hey, I decided to come back- anyway, I'll talk to you guys in the morning. Peace-
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09:00.54DromHeyo.
09:02.14dino_hello all
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09:05.26LordRaydonHey there.
09:05.28LordRaydonSo, I've been gone for a long time. Life and exploding computers are to blame.
09:06.32DromBlame life, everyone does that.
09:07.53LordRaydon*nods* Yeah-- I'm trying to re-install my copy of Spore. Hopefully it still works.
09:11.40LordRaydontest
09:58.13DromAnd everyone died.
09:58.15DromThe end.
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10:32.39DromHello.
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11:00.09Wormyhi
11:02.02drom|semi_awayhey
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11:10.39Monet_Hello
11:21.32WormyI'm scared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKERTiraS08
11:25.44Wormymeh these bacteria are probably smarter than any AI we have built https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_gJ2teK5E
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11:43.08ImpyDroidHiya
11:46.48Monet_Hello
11:59.59Monet_Watcing old TNG clips i can't help bu realise that BBT's Sheldon Cooper cosplaying as Lc. commander Data is more appropriate thanthe thinks
12:00.38Monet_There are countless times when Data's attempts to be more human just come out as making him look more out of place than he intended
12:02.14Monet_For instance,  his attempt to emulate the maturity and sophistication provided by Commander Riker's beard http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/ligeiaangel/DataBeard.jpg
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12:06.54Monet_Hello
12:07.54Monet_Reading about reptiles I'm wondering once again if Draconis could be the kind of species who keep growing thoughout their lives.
12:08.07Monet_Although i'm not going to go as extreme as the Draonoggr.
12:09.44Monet_I'm thinking adult growth range could be closer to 2.5-4m
12:09.51Monet_in total height
12:12.14OluapPlayerhi
12:13.19AdmiralPandait's funny, the only time I've really thought much about the Fordanta's height is wondering if they're too tall
12:14.29Monet_I've indicated that for a Draconis, Larnus is a big dude.
12:14.38Monet_This might be why, given he's close to 400 years old.
12:15.09AdmiralPandagiven that their musculature is both denser and more efficient, they don't really need to be that tall to be able to take on most of the races in the universe on a physical basis
12:16.04Monet_The Fordanta?
12:16.11drom|arma3rpLarnus - *hits head against doorframe* "Ow! Man, I wish I was still young."
12:18.43Monet_I am leaning towads implementing it.
12:18.56Monet_But there will still be a point of "freakishly big"
12:19.12AdmiralPandaYes, the Fordanta
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12:20.24Monet_I was just making sure because Draconis do have a lot of torso bulk
12:25.41Monet_So in future if you met a Draconis considered "big", he's either genetically enhanced, old or he's naturally tall for some reason.
12:26.38dromgramps vs enhanced teens
12:28.52Monet_Also its an indicator the Draconis in question grew up in a low-gravity environment
12:31.41WormyBRB
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12:36.25Wormy_hi
12:36.38Monet_Hi
12:40.07WormyPretty good epic music compilation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tuK0sk_D1M
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13:25.31dino_going to go againsee ya
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13:42.11Quark8Hello.
13:42.42Sporeraptorhello
13:53.36Monet_"Data - I have heard that in moments of diplomatic tension, it is often helpful to find elements of commonality.| Worf - Ambassador Byleth is demanding, temperamental, and rude! | Data - You share all of those qualities in abundance. Perhaps you should try to build on your similarities. " >> Classic Data.
13:53.55Monet_Thing is, Data was absolutely convinced he was being helpful here
13:54.43TekDroidlol
13:58.31dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/7alLf
13:58.45Monet_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTq6yXrtNes Worf's face at the end just reads "oh fuck no!"
14:04.09Monet_The Enterprise D has faced the Borg, Q, countless spatial anomolies, and the thing they colelctively fear most is Deanna Troi's mother.
14:04.40TekDroidO.o
14:18.12dromNever ever try to dicuss about politics in YouTube and other media sites.
14:18.46TekDroidyep
14:19.32dromWatched a video about a [ongoing] political conflict in Sweden. The comments were filled with butthurt amercians.
14:22.04dromI give up on the humanity.
14:22.08Monet_"deftly apply cream to the affected area"
14:23.17dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/1O1Pgp5
14:23.50droman old, long time drifting, repost. but still gold for me.
14:25.02dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/AXY8VR5
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14:34.36WormyMonet:  Troi's mother is portrayed as wickedly scary in Major Grin's videos
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14:42.57Val_Hello everyone
14:46.08Sporeraptorhi
14:52.22Technobliteratorhey there
15:20.01dromGod. I can't even understand this goddamn fucking plot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dies_at_the_End_(film)
15:20.42Monet__bbl
15:24.06dromI found the film via this list. http://imgur.com/gallery/IDxO2/
15:29.07TekDroid~test
15:29.07infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
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15:49.19TekDroid~test
15:49.21infobothmm... test is not funny
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16:06.01Monet_Hello
16:08.22ImperiosHiya
16:09.24Monet_Just got a letter from my university, My request to transfer fro mArchitecture to CG art and Animation has been authorised!
16:09.54SporeraptorCongratulations
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16:11.20TekDroidCongratulations
16:11.29TekDroidHello
16:15.34WormyI saw the freakish but beautiful spectacle of flying ants today
16:16.19Monet_Sounds like queens are migrating.
16:21.29WormyIt is a perfect day for the ants
16:23.11Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuptial_flight
16:23.26Wormyhell some of these Queens are as old if not older tha\n me
16:23.45Monet_You sure?
16:23.51Monet_I didn't think ants lived that long
16:24.36Monet_I found it oddly beautiful listening to the chirping of insects, midges I think, in the long grass near where I live.
16:25.53WormyWell,  it is Wikipedia I got that from
16:26.17WormyOne queen usually mates with several males. The sperm is stored in a special organ, known as a spermatheca, in the queen's abdomen, and lasts throughout her lifetime. This can be as long as 20 years, during which time the sperm can be used to fertilize tens of millions of eggs.
16:27.18WormyAh it is true, looking it up
16:27.26WormySome can live as long as 30 years.
16:27.54Monet_That's a long time or an insect
16:28.07TekDroidO.o
16:28.30WormyI think the cicadas live 40
16:29.07Wormywith 17 year hibernation cycles
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16:30.28OfficerJackalHello!
16:31.30Wormytermite queens - 50 years
16:31.36Wormyhi
16:31.50WormyInsects put us to shame
16:32.05WormyHachi thinks Dolphins are superior but insects are really superiore
16:32.13Wormylomng live the ants and ant flying day
16:33.10Monet_I am amazed at the engineering capabilities of termites. Termite colonies  are also capable of cultivating fungi in their hives.
16:33.47Monet_In effect, termites are a agricultural species.
16:33.47Wormy_awayI like how ants use their bodies to build rafts ad bridges and other aeesome constructs
16:36.47Monet_I read in a scientific article that in the early stages of colony construction, termites gather numerous fungal cultures then selectively breed the culture that suits the colony best.
16:37.44TekDroidI think we can really underestimate tge collective intelligence of those insects
16:37.46Wormy_awayants do it too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant-fungus_mutualism
16:38.13ImpyDroidMonet_: Wow wow wow
16:38.25ImpyDroidYou gonna work on animation professionally?
16:38.30Wormy_awayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superorganism
16:38.39ImpyDroid(Yeah I know, I'm slow to react)
16:39.01Wormy_awaythey can solve complex problems
16:39.14Monet_ImpyDroid: Potentially.
16:39.17Wormy_awayintelligence by my definition
16:39.53Monet_I could also go int ostoryboarding or concept art
16:40.11Wormy_awayYou might enjoy level design too
16:40.54ImpyDroidEither way it's interesting
16:40.55Wormy_awayRight now I am away, to work on my projects
16:41.14ImpyDroidI wish I could study anything interesting hur
16:41.32Monet_This course appeals to me because I love worldbuilding.
16:41.40ImpyDroidThen again, linguistics is enlightening in a sense
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16:59.19OluapPlayeromg hai
17:01.11Monet_Hi
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17:07.42dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ga85Hnj
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17:10.18OfficerJackalBack!
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17:14.57dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/OVwgPaz
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17:17.56HachimanSo an octopus' penis can detach itself from the primary body and impregnate female octopi while the male itself dies shortly after doing this, and the female octopus can have sex with multiple octopus dicks
17:19.29OfficerJackalHuh, well, I hear a malaysian commercial airliner has been shot near the Ukraine/Russia border.
17:19.40OfficerJackal295 People dead, at least from my sources.
17:21.12dromIs that reuters and telegraph?
17:22.23OfficerJackalThose and other news sources, lots of people are talking about it now, since it happened earlier today.
17:22.59dromThere's also a vid of the aftermath of the crash in this thread. http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1410214
17:24.38Monet_Wiki appears to have implemented a new dashboard
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17:25.26CyrannianHello!
17:25.36dromUkrainian TV confirms that that 777 was shot down by a missle form russian territory.
17:25.53dromLet that blaming game, begin!
17:26.10OfficerJackalWell, I'm not sure who would be retarded enough to shoot down a commercial airliner.
17:26.28dromPro-russians?
17:26.47OfficerJackalYeah, probably them, that was my first guess when I saw the news to be honest. :/
17:27.41dromYou can see what's left of the plane. http://d2.dn-static.se/UploadedImages/2014/7/17/839001fe-8a64-4c82-b8c4-98a31f1e46e8/original.jpg
17:27.54dromFlatted out, no surviviors.
17:28.05OfficerJackalJesus christ, it's completely destroyed. This is terrible.
17:28.47Sporeraptorback, hi
17:29.38Sporeraptorthat really looks and is horrible
17:29.44OfficerJackalThe pro-russians probably thought it was like a Ukrainian cargo plane or something, and fired away.
17:29.59Monet_So extremist sensationalism
17:30.22Monet_Because Russia itself would not shoot down a commercial airliner.
17:30.28TekDroidRussia will probably claim Ukraine did it to blame Russia.
17:30.42dromSo I saw a twitter post containing a dead victim. It was a dead little boy.
17:31.15HachimanThis is why I don't fly
17:31.16OfficerJackalYeah, it was almost certainly the pro-russians, no government in their right mind would do this shit, at least directly.
17:31.30OfficerJackalUnless it goes deeper. O.O
17:31.34OfficerJackalput's on tinfoil hat.
17:31.44Monet_Hachiman: Flying is alreight so long as you're not going over politically volatile ocuntries.
17:32.31dromhttp://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1410214&p=45419197&viewfull=1#post45419197
17:32.35Monet_People say that flying is dangerosu but theoretically its eve nsafer than driving a car.
17:33.19Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Zarkhator_Prime So what are people's thoughts on this thus far
17:33.28OfficerJackalDrom: Lol, I'm on the Liveleak site for that video you showed me, and some people are claiming the "Ukrainian nazis" did it.
17:33.30OfficerJackalLol.
17:33.44Monet_Pilots *HAVE* to check all systems are working before takeoff and the concept of a mid-air collision is a once-in-a-blue-moon occurence.
17:33.44HachimanThe other Zark pages are also under the process of getting updated
17:33.59dromOfficerJackal: They also outstraight blame on muslism for anything that explodes.
17:34.27dromLL's comments are full of circlejerking and BS.
17:34.32dromJust don't listen to them.
17:34.45OfficerJackalThey are some of the worst comments I have ever read, yeah.
17:35.11dromhttps://i.imgur.com/gKOLhkQ.jpg
17:35.21dromYes. That's a piece of the plane.
17:35.53dromThere's even some rumors that dead bodies have been raining from the sky.
17:36.46OfficerJackalEhh... That's a bit exaggerated maybe, although it is possible since it might have been hit with a surface-to-air missile.
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17:37.26dromBig missles can tear apart an airplane.
17:37.29HachimanSurely the raining bodies thing must have stopped by this point
17:37.30ImperiosGi Gchi
17:37.45ImperiosOfficierJackal:About the Airliner, I heard of that too
17:37.49ImperiosGuess whom we blame hur
17:37.53Imperios...Actually, noone, yet
17:38.14dromYou know that airplanes have high pressure?
17:38.53dromAlso. If there's a hole on the side of the plane. You'll be sucked out.
17:39.14HachimanWell I meant surely the bodies must have all dropped down by now
17:39.48dromYeah. But I thought what Jackal said was for the rain of cropses.
17:40.02Monet_drom: Yeah I think the atmosphere is somethign around 50% its density at 8km up
17:40.39dromIt was 10km up in the air. So it's no surprise but it's really terrifying.
17:41.45Monet_That's roughly the edge of the trophosphere I think
17:42.04Monet_Atmosphere drops to about 5% or less beyond it
17:50.35Cyrannianbrb
17:56.26dromA friend of mine says that 4chan's /k/ is full mental.
18:00.06OfficerJackalI don't know much about 4chan, what is /k/?
18:00.30Monet_CHannel 4 is saying that the death toll is 280 passengers and 15 crew.
18:02.20dromOfficerJackal: Dashboard for weapons.
18:02.38OfficerJackalAhh, alright.
18:02.51dromMainly amurcians and fetishists go there.
18:04.20OfficerJackalLol.
18:04.39dromSome unconfirmed source says that 80 kids were in the plane.
18:05.06dromThat sounds too much tbh.
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18:42.43Val_Hello
18:44.38dromEy guys! New jontron! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRA2OrZTiwY&list=UUdJdEguB1F1CiYe7OEi3SBg
18:46.11CyrannianHello Val!
18:48.58Val_Hello Cyrannian!!
18:50.28dromHello Val and Cyrannian
18:50.42Val_Hello Drom!1
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19:05.52Sporeraptorback
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19:12.48TekDroidHello
19:14.12Sporeraptorhi
19:15.01XhoEvening
19:15.05Xho2hot4me
19:15.53Cyrannianhai
19:16.09XhoIt's just too hot
19:16.13Monet_Hi
19:16.28Monet_I'd agree with you but it is cooling down where I am
19:17.25XhoAnd it's meant to be hotter tomorrow
19:17.30XhoI want off this ride
19:17.30Hachimanech it's far too hot today
19:17.38HachimanTEH RIDE NEVER ENDS
19:17.39XhoI want off this ride now
19:17.44Hachiman*THE
19:18.51Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6JqHrOuUZ0 ohgodlol
19:19.02ImperiosIt's really hot here
19:19.03ImperiosHi Val
19:19.34Xho"WHAT'S GOOD NYUKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
19:20.10Monet_Everyone's feeling the heat.
19:21.02HachimanMakes me wonder what Sporewiki creatures pant and which ones sweat
19:21.30Monet_I've mentioned that hwen Draconis are hot their scales fan outward.
19:21.47XhoWhat Monet said but replace with Kicath
19:22.04XhoExcept I guess if they're silicon based they probably sweat something more like dust t
19:22.13XhoOr something more solid than sweat
19:22.30drom|awayXho: Do you want to come over to my house? It's like 18 degrees here!
19:22.45XhoIt's 18 C here now
19:22.56XhoThen again it was like 26 + earlier
19:22.59Monet_Hmm actually I think they'd sweat sulfuric acid
19:23.15XhoKicath - body defence powers go    *turns up the heat*
19:23.19HachimanEven Kicath sweat is hostile
19:23.57XhoI've figured that the Kicath wear reberather neckpieces under their clothing to shield them from water in the atmosphere
19:23.58Monet_"[human] Sweat contains mainly water. It also contains minerals, lactate, and urea."
19:24.27XhoIf they breathed our atmosphere they'd likely have their respiratory system corroded by the water content
19:24.46HachimanMonet_: Our sweat contains urethra?
19:24.50drom|awayMonet_: Bacteria too?
19:24.50Xhourea u dum
19:25.25Monet_Human sweat contains the key ingredient of pee. Which is probably why someone stinks when they sweat
19:25.38Monet_What with urea being two conjoined ammonia molecules and all
19:25.50drom|awayewww
19:25.56XhoSo
19:26.06drom|awaywhy did that just make think that I'm peeing THROUGH my skin?
19:26.13HachimanYou practically are
19:26.21XhoUrea is an ammonia compound
19:26.33XhoYou learn something new every day
19:26.51Monet_Urine is definitely drinkable, you just need to remove the urea.
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19:27.03TekDroidHello
19:27.05DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
19:27.06DrodoEmpireHey
19:27.13Sporeraptorhi
19:28.00Monet_Urea's chemical formula is CO(NH2)2
19:28.29DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADeclaration_of_the_Conduct_of_War - Also, made an exceptions list to this.
19:29.34Monet_Ammonia's formula is NH3
19:31.29Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Zarkhator_Prime hao dus dis look rite nao guise
19:31.52Xho“You think yourself a bane to a god. Allow me to show you why you are wrong.”
19:32.07XhoArkarixus - can i just stop u dere
19:32.16ImperiosZarkhator Prime
19:32.40ImperiosKormactron
19:32.46Hachimanngh
19:32.52SporeraptorDrodo: Great declaration. Is it intergalactic ?
19:33.05XhoThe character concept is good
19:33.23XhoI'm just not a fan of the idea that the character is based from an already existing Spore character
19:33.34ImperiosI like him
19:33.38HachimanGrox
19:33.43ImperiosI wonder how did it feel isolated originally
19:33.45DrodoEmpireIt only applies to signatories.
19:33.50XhoEveryone knows I don't like the Grox nor their counterparts
19:33.51DrodoEmpireBut yes, that's the goal.
19:34.02ImperiosFor some reason I imagine he's lost social skills during that time
19:34.17HachimanImperios: Considering he's an egotistical fuckwit I imagine so hur
19:34.37DrodoEmpire(Those last two messages where to Sporeraptor, BTW)
19:38.47ImperiosGood
19:39.00ImperiosNow I imagine Zarkhator acting like a stereotypical girl and trying to find a girlfriend
19:39.06Imperios*stereotypical geeky nerd
19:39.15Imperios*geeky asocial nerd
19:39.55Hachimanech
19:40.33XhoZarkhator - be my waifu                 Santorakh - sry already married to volim
19:40.51AngrybirdsThat feeling you get when you open up your favorite game on your new computer and all of the graphics settings are set to "insane."
19:41.19Monet_It is a nice feel
19:43.34SporeraptorDrodoEmpire: ( sorry, i was away for some minutes ) OK, i guess then I will hav ethe Troodontids to sign it. It seems to go along with their aim to keep themselves secure very well.
19:43.45DrodoEmpireAlright.
19:44.53ImperiosHm
19:45.05ImperiosWhat spelling is correct: archAEology or archEology
19:45.15Monet_ae
19:46.24XhoArchaeology yeah
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19:52.48Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10565181_260095960854434_6011359059704107976_n.png Have some cringe
19:55.14Monet_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Warlord-Class_Titan spaceship
19:56.55Monet_WHat do people think?
19:57.32DrodoEmpireWell considering its a mobile factory that can shoot things...
19:57.37DrodoEmpireTerrifying.
19:57.38DrodoEmpireXD
19:57.59CyrannianAdded a quote
19:58.15Monet_As is intentional.
19:58.52DrodoEmpireYeah
19:59.08Monet_I think the Warlord and worldravanger-class ships are the few (or only) ITN vessels specifically designed to provoke fear.
19:59.30Monet_Cyrannian: Thanks for the quote
20:00.06XhoQuoted as well
20:00.48Monet_Most ITN admirals are happy with one
20:01.08Monet_Dunno about eight.
20:01.22XhoNu - do i luk liek admrul 2 u
20:01.50Monet_Then again Larnus Vontarion has control of the entire ITN so technically he has command over all warords in the Imperium
20:01.55Monet_warlords*
20:04.15Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10499482_298880373605998_4068158182711080594_o.png
20:05.09XhoWell
20:05.47TekDroidO.o
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20:06.46Imperios_Monet_: Condescending quote from Venoriel incoming
20:08.35Monet_Imperios_: her opinion is understandable since ITN ships are all far bigger than Divinarium ships
20:10.58Imperios_Monet_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61OWGfmWU2k
20:15.48Wormy_awayCompleted my introductory course to Javascript
20:16.04Wormy_awayNow I get to make a game on my second course
20:17.10Imperios_Hmmmm...
20:18.00Imperios_You know, if Oluap, Hachi and probably Xho would agree, I'd like to make a precursor timeline revamp
20:18.19Imperios_Right now I believe the Four are a tad too old
20:19.27Monet_Yeah, five billion years does feel a bit distnt
20:19.35drom|awaydarkwood is looking nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyhUWP2l00
20:19.57Imperios_One million or something would do it, or perhaps...
20:19.59HachimanEh?
20:19.59Imperios_Remind me, Cyr
20:20.18Imperios_When did the Oikoumene vanish
20:20.42XhoWasn't that like 70 million years ago or something
20:20.42Imperios_Hachiman: When me, you and OP have time, we could revamp the timeline of our precursor races
20:20.58XhoI doubt Oluap would want to
20:21.00XhoSeriously doubt
20:21.54HachimanWhy not five billion
20:22.42Monet_There -is- a five billion year gap between the modern day and the last major precursor race.
20:22.51Imperios_It's okay, but that's a lot of time, so in THEORY we could move it to a more recent date
20:22.55Imperios_If you want to
20:23.06HachimanI honestly don't see why it's necessary
20:23.18HachimanMaking them more recent removes the feel of a precursor race
20:23.42Monet_Not neccessarily
20:24.15Monet_Although if a precursor race is too old do they remain significant?
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20:24.42Imperios_The main problem is, 5 billion of years is... a very large date
20:24.42Imperios_Stars can snuff out for that time
20:24.51Imperios_Actually, most of them will
20:24.57HachimanThat's why they're *precursors*
20:24.59Zillafire101Hello all.
20:25.19Imperios_One million is still a very long date
20:25.30Sporeraptorhi
20:25.32Imperios_The Protheans weren't five billion year old
20:25.36Imperios_Neither were the Old Ones
20:25.41Imperios_Or the Forerunners
20:25.56XhoYeah but this isn't Mass Effect or Halo
20:25.58HachimanI'm not going to argue, this is dumb, I don't see the point of making them more recent since it changes nothing
20:26.06Imperios_Well, the main problem is
20:26.15Imperios_For five billion years
20:26.20Imperios_Most stars turn into supernovae
20:26.21Monet_It makes the existence of precursor ruins and leftover tech more plausable imo.
20:26.30Imperios_That's my main concern
20:26.40HachimanImperios_: Yeah but loads of new stars form in that time
20:26.43Imperios_Yes
20:26.49Imperios_Without precursor interference
20:27.06XhoWell I don't mind what you think
20:27.22XhoThe two main precursor influences in my fiction only interfered c. 695,000 years ago
20:27.27Imperios_So essentially by present most, if not all precursor worlds would be destroyed
20:27.32Imperios_as in, completely
20:27.42Hachiman*Techmagic*
20:28.12Monet_C. Xho's precursors interfered less than a millino years ago and they can still be considered precursors
20:28.15Imperios_Exactly, I've been using it a lot to explain it
20:28.22Imperios_And this is kinda problematic
20:28.22HachimanWe have characters that can become evil Super Saiyans
20:28.32HachimanI don't see why we need to be supr srs bout this
20:28.38Imperios_The problem is plausibility
20:28.45HachimanImp
20:28.53HachimanCharacters that can become evil Super Saiyans
20:28.55HachimanDemons
20:28.58Imperios_Yes
20:29.00HachimanInterspecies sex
20:29.09Monet_Also if the Rades died out five billion years ago then how the flip did they transfer any humans - Earth was a cloud of hydrogen molecules at that time
20:29.09Imperios_And it's plausible according to *our* logic
20:29.11HachimanPlausibility is out of the window at this point
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20:29.18TekDroidI have a minor precusor ~1 billion years old, but it's influence was a few hundred systems, couple thousand at most.
20:29.42Imperios_We find the logical reason to have most, if not all precursors create machines that would keep stars going for ages
20:30.04Monet_HAchiman: Interspecies sex is one thing, interspecies babies is another. Name a hybrid baby that didnt' coem from science or essence magic
20:30.07Imperios_And install them on *many* planets, even
20:30.07Cyrannianhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717202554/spore/images/a/ad/Coru_Secundus.png - New Cyrannian region
20:30.17HachimanMonet_: Kezoreg
20:30.24Imperios_>essence
20:30.27XhoI understand the plausibility
20:30.34Monet_Kezoreg's parents were descended though
20:30.35HachimanTyraz didn't use Essence to concieve Kezoreg
20:30.36XhoBut I don't think it's necessary at this time without a stronger foundation
20:30.38HachimanHe used his weiner
20:30.52Imperios_Also I am pretty sure you did state Zazane do have science to concieve interspecies children
20:31.00Monet_He was a corpse powered by evil energy though
20:31.06XhoIf you can give everyone a solid reason instead of 'stars die' then everyone would listen
20:31.18Imperios_Okay
20:31.23HachimanI just think this change is unnecessary
20:31.31Zillafire101Cyrannian, I just added images to the Second Cyrannian war, and I'll add my part to the subplots section.
20:31.41Zillafire101*my part of the Second War.
20:32.06Imperios_Hmmmmm
20:32.08CyrannianI'll check it out now
20:32.10Imperios_Then again
20:32.28Imperios_We just need to justify the long gap
20:32.40HachimanMonet: Yes, a corpse powered by evil energy. Explain how that's plausible
20:32.49Monet_Hachiman: ESSENCE
20:33.08HachimanNow explain how that's plausible
20:33.08XhoSo essence is plausible in fiction but is it plausible in real life
20:33.08Monet_Once we get into essence the normal ruels of reality go out the window
20:33.14Imperios_The idea is
20:33.21XhoWell we've kind of slapped ourselves in the face then
20:33.24Monet_Xho: Wormy did his best to make elemental energy plasuable
20:33.26Imperios_One thing is plausibility according to the laws of logic
20:33.28SporeraptorZilla: Isn't Kradik the one who lead the assault on Raptura ?
20:33.38XhoEssence is plausible -> 5 billion year old precursors is not
20:33.40Imperios_Another is plausibility according to the laws of science
20:33.45XhoDoesn't add up I'm afraid
20:33.51Monet_Xho: Ki
20:34.08Imperios_Another problem is that it's a large gap
20:34.10HachimanYes because ki can create corpses powered by evil energy
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20:34.12Wormy_awayNo-one would question the Xeelee being the age of the universe a problem for the Xeelee or the Xeelee Sequence.  How old we want our Precursors depends on a premise.  Ancient artifacts orbiting a red dwarf maybe last longer than both the Earth's past and future.
20:34.19Imperios_Hmmmm
20:34.22Imperios_Actually
20:34.22Cyrannian~tickle OluapPlayer
20:34.22infobotACTION jumps on OluapPlayer, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"
20:34.25Imperios_Come to think about it
20:34.30XhoI think it's better to drop the entire subject
20:34.33Imperios_...I guess
20:34.35HachimanI agree with Xho
20:34.38XhoA vast majority of the wiki is implausible
20:34.45XhoWell
20:34.48Imperios_Okay, sorry I brought the subject then
20:34.48HachimanIt's not a bad suggestion but it's an unnecessary one
20:34.50Imperios_Oh, okay
20:34.53Imperios_My bad
20:34.53Monet_Somewhere along the line essence devolved to include tentacles made of evil energy and balls of pure essence.
20:34.56Imperios_Sorry
20:35.03OluapPlayerwhat happened
20:35.18XhoYou won't like it hur
20:35.31XhoThe idea was to bring the precursor gap from 5 billion years to a few million years
20:35.33Imperios_OluapPlayer: I suggested that we could retcon the precursors to be younger
20:35.36Imperios_Ya
20:35.42Imperios_5 billions is a lot hur
20:35.46OluapPlayerYeah no
20:35.51HachimanImp suggested revamping the timeline of precursor races to be more recent (from say five billion to just a million) for the justification of just "stars die"
20:35.59Imperios_I mean
20:36.03Imperios_It's not just that
20:36.13XhoAnd then we were wondering why that was implausible due to the fact we have walking corpses, demons and occult realms of existence
20:36.15Technobliteratordefine "precursors"
20:36.20Imperios_There're also the Oikoumene
20:36.33CyrannianWhat about them?
20:36.35HachimanIf Essence is allowed to be implausible I don't know why five billion year old precursors can't be
20:36.52TechnobliteratorEssence is not implausible
20:36.58Technobliteratornor are five billion year old precursors
20:37.03Imperios_Apotheosis happened relatively recently compared to the history of the Andromedan Precursors or the Kormacvar
20:37.11Wormy_away.5 billion does sound glaringly ancient but don't forget, thats a parochial notion.  Their time perception/computation might be way slower than ours, or they might operate over galactic scales with long long projects.  Or they might still be evolving
20:37.17XhoI think
20:37.19Imperios_My main problem is, most stars die for 5 billion years
20:37.36Imperios_So in theory most, if not all, precursor worlds would be destroyed by now
20:37.44Monet_My concern isn't plausability, my concern is that at five billion years old it feels less and less likely that ruins and leftover tech would still be useable on terrestrial environments
20:37.47Wormy_awayNo, most stars are red dwarfs and would last far longer than the current age of the universe
20:38.10Imperios_Aren't red dwarves mostly uninhabitable though?
20:38.16Monet_Wormy_away: These stars however have very small habitable zone radii.
20:38.20Imperios_I mean their systems
20:38.47Wormy_awayNot to advanced aliens, and anyway, there have been ways people have thought for life to exist there
20:39.00Imperios_Okay
20:39.02Imperios_Nevermind them
20:39.14Imperios_I was an idiot, made an idiotic suggestion and all that
20:39.16Imperios_Okay
20:39.17Imperios_?
20:39.23Wormy_awayDon't worry, I don't want to upset you because I don't agree
20:39.28Monet_It wasn't idiotic, it was perfectly reasonable
20:39.32Wormy_away^
20:39.48HachimanIt was a reasonable suggestion but it's just utterly unnecessary
20:40.02Imperios_Utterly unnecessary and thus idiotic
20:40.06Imperios_Nevermind
20:40.10Monet_On what grounds unnessecary?
20:40.16Technobliteratorgroan
20:40.18Wormy_awayI don't like the "Spaceship Earth" idea, with reasonable knowledge and tech human beings could build any hub even in an intergalactic void.
20:40.22HachimanOn the grounds that the change in the time gap means nothing
20:40.28XhoGroan indeed
20:40.28HachimanNothing is gained from it
20:41.13Wormy_awayResources are common but knowledge of aAdapting the universe to one's wishes are scarce
20:41.15Imperios_Can we stop about it?
20:41.21Imperios_*talking
20:41.35XhoThe only other solution is to make precursor races that lived millions of years ago but then again that would defeat the purpose of the mystery behind precursors
20:41.43Wormy_awaySorry I'm just interested in this but I don't want to force it on you
20:41.54Wormy_awayI'll stop
20:45.12TechnobliteratorDrodoEmpire: "00:58.12DrodoEditingBut that was a person or else it would have had the "+" symbol."
20:45.18Technobliteratorno, the + doesn't indicate a bot
20:45.24Technobliteratorit indicates a "voiced" user
20:45.38Technobliteratornot sure what a "voiced" user gains over a normal one though
20:45.43OluapPlayerNothing
20:45.45Technobliteratorother than it just makes their username important? idk
20:46.02AngrybirdsTechnobliterator: Would it be possible to have something like this on Sporewiki? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Collapsible_list
20:46.25CyrannianIf the chat is put on silent, voiced users can still speak I believe.
20:46.45TechnobliteratorAngrybirds, most certainly
20:46.50Wormy_awayI've always wondered what voice meant.
20:46.52TechnobliteratorI could probably design it better than that one to be honest
20:47.13Technobliteratorhmm
20:47.30TechnobliteratorWell, technically, we already have it
20:47.37TechnobliteratorIt's just not templated
20:47.39CyrannianI think there's a feature that locks the channel in case of a vandal attack, in which only admins and voiced users can speak.
20:47.40XhoCyrannian is correct
20:47.58Wormy_awaysounds right.
20:47.59TechnobliteratorAh, that'd be it
20:48.01AngrybirdsI like the way that one looks in this infobox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boshin_War for alliances and such which have too many members to list
20:48.38Technobliterator1 sec
20:49.39Technobliteratordo you want it to be sliding, like what I have on my userpage? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator
20:50.28AngrybirdsThat would be cool, but not really necessary.
20:50.34Angrybirds^.^
20:51.49Technobliteratorlemme just check we don't already have it
20:52.20Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Collapsible_text we do
20:54.02AngrybirdsThanks! :D
20:54.18Technobliteratornp
21:06.05Imperios_Monet_: #illarion
21:07.41SporeraptorWhat do you think of my new pictures: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717210546/spore/images/7/7d/Tunoos.png http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717210446/spore/images/7/74/Tunoos2.png ?
21:08.37Monet_That's an impressive fleet
21:08.51SporeraptorThanks
21:08.53Monet_I li the effect going on between those towers too.
21:09.17DrodoEmpireOne sec, have to restart my computer.
21:09.31Technobliteratorthat's better than anything I ever made in Spore
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21:09.34Technobliteratorlolz
21:10.07SporeraptorThank you
21:10.45CyrannianAwesome work, Sporeraptor.
21:10.59SporeraptorThanks
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21:39.36drom|awayI just found out that there's a film about a murderous Austrailian "redneck".
21:41.45ZF_SporenstuffThat sounds like the greatest movie ever.
21:42.20drom|awayLike Texan Chainsaw Massacre, but Aussie.
21:42.38OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vida%27Rra#History if anyone cares, Vida'Rra history has been retconned a ton
21:42.41drom|awayTexas*
21:42.56CyrannianI'll check it out now
21:44.46ZF_SporenstuffI like it.
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21:47.54ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Is gud
21:48.04CyrannianNice work, Oluap.
21:49.21TekDroidFacebook - " Is I don't work. I'm daddy's princess. your employer?" O.o WTH?
21:50.19Monet__Wat
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21:50.31Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cyrannus_Galaxy/Coru_Secundus - The central hub of the New Republic and one of the most prosperous regions in Cyrannus. Feedback and quotes would be good.
21:50.57TekDroidI don’t even... Seriously, what? Facebook...
21:53.26HachimanOluapPlayer: Nice, I like it, kinda feel sorry for the Vida'Rra since they seemed to suffer a lot
21:56.01Zillafire101I'll add a quote, Cyrannian.
21:56.23CyrannianThanks! I like your recent images, by the way.
21:56.51Zillafire101Thank you.
22:10.29Cyrannianhttp://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717220921/spore/images/f/f7/Mou%27Cyran_-_Republic_City.png - A new image of the Republic's humble capital.
22:11.26Monet__That capitol building is certainly...humble.
22:11.50Cyrannian... Apart from that. :P
22:12.36OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Vida%27Rra the page is complete, quotes would be good if I could get some
22:12.39Monet__I don't blame them though. One has to impress in the world in galactic politics
22:16.25Monet__Cyrannian: THere's a certain quaintness about seeting it withi na mountain range
22:20.46CyrannianIndeed, it's quite a serene place to be, I'd imagine.
22:23.09Monet__That crisp mountain air blowing against your face
22:26.01TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, where do the Taldar fit into the new Vida'Rra story? Were they still allies?
22:26.16OluapPlayerNo reason not to
22:26.54OluapPlayerThe Taldar didn't have any strong role in the Vida'Rra's history even before the retcon
22:27.10Technobliteratorah
22:27.18TechnobliteratorI was just wondering if my quote would make sense
22:27.27Technobliteratorquoted, anyhow
22:27.34OluapPlayerThank you and Cyrannian
22:28.48Cyrannianhttp://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717222812/spore/images/3/32/Mou%27Cyran_-_Republic_Command.png http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140717222812/spore/images/5/56/Mou%27Cyran_-_Telemachus.png - Two other locations.
22:29.04OluapPlayerSo yeah, the Vida'Rra are technically still alive
22:29.08OluapPlayerThey're just called Bonio now
22:32.13OluapPlayerAll of this info was supposed to be revealed at the Fog War retcon, but since I'm unlikely to get that finished I decided to just reveal it
22:33.03Technobliterator2nd Fog War or 1st?
22:33.22OluapPlayer2nd
22:33.37Technobliteratoraw, it'd be a shame if that doesn't get finished
22:34.46Cyrannian^
22:35.08CyrannianI enjoyed the retcon
22:35.55HachimanAye so am I
22:37.57drom|awayApprently playing with friends can be a nightmare.
22:39.42drom>play with friends
22:39.55drom>server hoster helps me, but constantly kills me afterwards.
22:41.55dromwe were playing unturned
22:42.05droma minecraft version of dayz
22:50.37ImpyDroidHachiman: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/383043_362033523913032_61879931_n.png
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22:51.26Zillafire101Dang, even infobot ditched this party.
22:51.34Angrybirdslol
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22:54.15Zillafire101I need to stop using this computer. It's so slow, and glitches out on me a lot.
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22:54.37Zillafire101Like, I was writing a huge paragraph for my fiction, then it just quit on me.
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22:59.44Zillafire101Lol, I'm about to eat rice.
22:59.44Cyrannian|STOOoh, Season 9.5 of STO is live
22:59.45ImpyDroidBTW wanted to ask
22:59.45ImpyDroidYou seem to like German stuff
22:59.45ImpyDroidAre you German-American?
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22:59.47Zillafire101I am of German descent.
22:59.52Zillafire101I believe my family liange can be traced to stuttgart.
23:00.09Zillafire101Though my families' insane, so I don't know about that ;)
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23:01.09dromirc clients masterrace
23:01.19Zillafire101Time to eat up some rice. Cya all later.
23:01.33Cyrannian|STObai
23:01.44dromseeya
23:01.59ImpyDroidMy mom is a Siberian-born ex-Soviet Russian with Kazakhstani parents, of mixed North Korean, South Korean, and probably Ainu descent
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23:05.29LordRaydonI seem to have lost my registration code to my copy of Spore. So re-installing it appears to be out of the question.
23:06.07Monet__That's rough
23:22.07Monet__There. Retconned so Draconis continue to grow thoughout their lives.
23:22.17Monet__The growth just isn't as extreme as with Draonoggr
23:25.19dromhttp://i.imgur.com/i6IyKWF.png
23:35.12dromalright, bedtime
23:35.32dromauto-connect off: check
23:35.58dromyou all will be safe tonight! for now.
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23:47.42LordRaydonSorry, internet troubles.
23:48.33LordRaydonAnyway, I found my registration code and re-installed SPORE. So I can finally get back to working on my stuff here, which is nice.
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23:58.53LordRaydonDiabeetus

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