IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140703

00:05.46Wormy_awayDeckmaster is Morgoth.
00:06.31Monet_Oohhh....
00:07.28Wormy_awayI've spken to Morgoth a few times for advise over the years
00:07.45Wormy_awayHe somehow keeps logged in, which keeps morgothbot live
00:09.43Wormy_awayGonna watch the Fountain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAuxryJ6pv8
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00:22.42Monet_Hello
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01:39.28TybusenAngrybirds_droid DrodoEmpire Liquid_Ink OfficerJackal Tek0516Droid Wormy_away: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:186534#10 Zhen came out to have a good time and is honestly feeling so attacked right now
01:41.00DrodoEmpireNice
01:41.21DrodoEmpireSo much for a loaded question on Randomness' part. XD
01:47.20TybusenRene gives a blunt rant and Zhen gives an impassioned speech about how humanity is awesome
01:48.08DrodoEmpireI wouldn't call it a blunt rant; I'd call it straightforward, yeah
01:48.12DrodoEmpireBut not blunt.
01:48.42DrodoEmpireIn the end they have similar messages but I like how Rene actually explained more about it.
01:49.22TybusenI figured that since Rene and Zhen have similar views on the disunified state of humanity, I wouldn't bother repeating too much of what Rene already said
01:49.44DrodoEmpireHmm, I see
01:50.08TybusenAnd Zhen is more inclined to go for rhetorical appeal rather than reason appeal (which is more of Rene's territory)
01:50.30DrodoEmpireRight
01:51.17TybusenWhen you make your political career in a borderline single-party socialist state, rhetoric serves you much better than logic
01:51.29DrodoEmpireTrue
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02:18.46Tek0516DroidMy big screw-up in Space Engineers got even worse. XD
02:20.55DrodoEmpireUh oh
02:20.56DrodoEmpireXD
02:28.21Tek0516DroidI'd used one of my ships to launch a raid on an enemy one.
02:28.29DrodoEmpireHow'd that go?
02:28.56Tek0516DroidAs I closed in and locked on, I learned the hard way one of my missile launchers was backwards.
02:29.47Tek0516DroidWhich wipes out my cockpit while drifting at top soeed.
02:29.47DrodoEmpirelol
02:30.34Tek0516DroidI had to go so I'd closed my laptop. I open it again and I'd drifted over 150km out.
02:30.41DrodoEmpirehur
02:31.50Tek0516DroidThings can get a little glitchy at the game's spped limit (everything's shaking like crazy) so I quickly replace and repair a few parts and turn around.
02:33.02Tek0516DroidI go outside and try and fix up a few more parts turning the slow transit, then spent the next few minutes trying to keep with the ship and get in.
02:33.28Tek0516DroidMissing the doorway a few times and falling half a km behind. DX
02:34.14Tek0516DroidFortunately the character speed limit is slightly higher than the vehicle one. XD
02:34.59DrodoEmpirelol
02:45.25DrodoEmpireSo apparently Lindsay Lohan is suing the makers of GTA V because they allegedly used her likeness. What an idiot.
02:45.50DrodoEmpireLike, of all times to sue, WHY months after its release? Like, the damage is done
02:46.18OfficerJackalTop kek.
02:46.21DrodoEmpireAnd even then, when you look at it, I can... Sorta see what she means, but I don't think its worth a lawsuit.
02:57.40Tek0516DroidWell after fixing up my ship I tried raiding anotjer ship again...
02:59.53Tek0516DroidTwo passes latter both my turrets were dead, one launcher destroyed and the other disabled, hull ripped apart my MG fire and multiple thrusters disabled.
03:00.04Tek0516DroidTarget survived.
03:00.08DrodoEmpireThat's what you get for RDM'ing.
03:00.09DrodoEmpireXD
03:00.22Tek0516DroidRDM?
03:00.25DrodoEmpireAnyway, that actually sucks. :P
03:00.31DrodoEmpireRandom Death Match.
03:00.35DrodoEmpireA GMod thing.
03:00.39DrodoEmpireNever heard of it?
03:00.57Tek0516DroidWell actually these were AI ships.
03:01.10DrodoEmpireAh
03:01.50Tek0516DroidConclusion: Raiding military ships with a modified escape pod is a bad idea. :P
03:02.20DrodoEmpireWell just a bit of background; RDM'ing is a bannable offence on a lot of GMod servers, mostly roleplay ones where the objective is to, well, roleplay. Though in these servers killing in self-defence or if its part of your job is allowed.
03:02.32DrodoEmpirelol
03:03.53Tek0516DroidAh.
03:04.14Tek0516DroidYeah, this was just AI ships that randomly spawn.
03:04.40DrodoEmpireAh
03:05.40Tek0516DroidIt was probably also a bad idea to raid a heavy armor ship in a ship made of light armor. XD
03:05.54DrodoEmpireProbably.
03:05.56DrodoEmpireXD
03:06.41Tek0516DroidI basically took the starting ship for this map and strapped a few guns on.
03:07.35DrodoEmpirelol
03:14.36Tek0516DroidI think I'll stick to mining shios for now. XS
03:14.40Tek0516Droid*XD
03:16.14Tek0516Droidmans his 150m mining drill
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04:21.32AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire OfficierJacakal Tek0516Droid Hey there.
04:33.04OfficerJackalAngryBirds: Belated hey!
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06:30.18GhelaeHello.
06:48.01AngrybirdsHey!
06:57.18AngrybirdsLiquid_Ink: OL elections Q/A: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:186534
06:57.32AngrybirdsIf you want to ask a question or find out more about the candidates.
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09:23.37HachimanHai
09:24.35Liquid_InkHello
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09:46.44AdmiralPandahi
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10:15.30JepardiHi
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10:32.04Liquid_InkHello
10:32.38Monet_Hello
10:33.55Liquid_InkHOw are you?
10:34.28Monet_Feeling good. I'm getting started on a list of the Imperium's provinces.
10:36.20AdmiralPandahi Mon
10:38.36Monet_“The Draconid Imperium is more than a collection of states who have submitted their sovereignty for our own, it is more than an empire. It is a philosophy; that culture and opinion is merely a superficial obstacle to unity. And nowhere is that more clear than in the diversity of its clients, where presidents, despots, emperors and chairmen are all equal before the paragavatus”
10:38.46Monet_How's that for a sumary of Pax Draconica?
10:39.04Monet_are all equal in unity before*
10:40.07Monet_“The Draconid Imperium is more than a collection of states who have submitted their sovereignty for our own, it is more than an empire. It is a philosophy; that culture and opinion is merely a superficial obstacle to unity. And nowhere is that more clear than in the diversity of its clients, where presidents, despots, emperors and chairmen alike salute under one banner”
10:40.11Monet_There, better version
11:40.55AdmiralPandaI'd love to play Space Engineers with you guys, too bad it's buggy as hell in multiplayer
11:41.53Monet_My version's a bit laggy, it may be my processor
11:42.00Monet_laggy in singleplayer sometimes*
11:43.31AdmiralPandathing is though, in multiplayer only the host can use landing gears otherwise there's all sorts of retarded bugs, just to name one
11:43.51Monet_Shit that is buggy
11:44.45AdmiralPandayeah, like if someone other than the host locks landing gears onto a bigger ship and someone drives that ship, it flies all over the place and breaks
11:45.02AdmiralPandayou can manage it, but it's annoying
11:52.57AdmiralPandaonce it gets its shit sorted though, I'd love to run a shipyard with you guys, survive meteor strikes and all that
11:53.09AdmiralPandaand then eventually betray you all with my secret gravity coilgun
11:53.12AdmiralPandaI mean wha
11:53.52Monet_Meanie
11:54.00AdmiralPandaI wouldn't do that
11:54.00Monet_ALTHOUGH
11:54.07AdmiralPandathe coil gun would be pointed at the pirates
11:54.16Monet_Getting into Starbound I had this idea we could all try building a small interstellar empire
11:54.30Monet_Theoretically, its possible
11:54.38AdmiralPandawhich one is star bound? is that the one that's like Terrarria just in space?
11:54.52Monet_Yeah
11:56.23Monet_Although looking at Steam, Catface is the only one who has it
11:56.32Monet_apart from me
11:57.02AdmiralPandaI could get it, but it just never seemed that interesting to me
11:59.50Monet_The only real space elements at the moment are exploring asteroid fields or flying between planets in a spaceship
12:00.21AdmiralPandawhich is part of the reason I just thought "Why not Terrarria?" tbh
12:00.44AdmiralPandaactually this reminds me, weren't we contemplating running a Minecraft thing now that Realms is live?
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12:01.06JepardiHi
12:01.30Monet_Yes we are.
12:01.57AdmiralPandaso what's the deal with that?
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12:02.16Wormyhi
12:02.19AdmiralPandahi
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12:02.21Wormy~seen Liquid_Ink
12:02.26infobotliquid_ink <65a533e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.165.51.230> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1h 28m 31s ago, saying: 'HOw are you?'.
12:02.34Monet_One person pays Mojang about £8 am onths for a 24-7 server. Unfortunately those servers don't support mods
12:02.41Monet_CountImperios: Hello there
12:02.49CountImperiosHello!
12:03.30AdmiralPandaI can do without mods, and I'd be able to put the occasional moneys towards running the server
12:04.35Monet_£8/month for an entire group isn't too bad
12:04.55AdmiralPandanot really no
12:05.02AdmiralPandathe other question is, survival or creative?
12:05.24AdmiralPandacus I'd love to do a joint survival thing with some of you guys
12:05.37Monet_Good question actually.
12:06.19Monet_Previous incarnations of the server have been creative; where users have gotten to work buildign cathedrals and stuff
12:07.27CountImperiosI like survival more personally
12:08.19Monet_Actually with survival if we do decide on massive projects li a cathedral, it would give us an indentive to build the infrastructure needed for these projects.
12:08.32Monet_For instance: Farms.
12:08.49AdmiralPandait's gonna be interesting trying to survive without my precious Natura
12:09.09Monet_My concern with survival is creepers
12:09.23Monet_Unless we decide to run a carebear server and go peaceful
12:09.28AdmiralPandacreepers are always a problem
12:09.35AdmiralPandanah, that's for weaklings
12:10.50AdmiralPandabesides, part of the fun of survival is knowing that if you don't watch your back you could lose many important things
12:11.02Monet_Yeah.
12:11.29AdmiralPandaoh man, I just realised that things are going to be way harder without natura
12:11.49AdmiralPandaslower growing crops, needing more of them
12:12.01AdmiralPandaI'm looking forward to this
12:12.41Monet_Time for a challenge
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12:13.19AdmiralPandahi u
12:13.24OluapPlayerhi
12:13.39OluapPlayerGot my internet back running
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12:14.01AdmiralPandahm, it's been a while actually that I've had to build a proper survival house, should be interesting
12:14.11Monet_OluapPLayer: Wooh
12:14.15AdmiralPandaoh god, no drying racks either
12:14.22AdmiralPandazombie meat is useless again
12:15.21Monet_Natura soudns like Minecraft ez mode
12:16.09AdmiralPandait's food ez mode
12:16.37AdmiralPandathere's an alternate wheat that grows a lot faster and only takes one to make bread (although you have to cook it instead of crafting) and there's drying racks that turn zombie meat into meat jerky
12:16.45AdmiralPandathereby removing the risk of poisoning yourself
12:17.15Monet_I see
12:17.54AdmiralPandaI'll probably just have to build a bigger farm is all
12:19.52Monet_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Provinces started on this
12:20.50Monet_Oluap if you want to fill in/rename the Sublime Republic of the Sambel Kind section.
12:20.57AngrybirdsMonet_ : I love the quote. You might want to add a map of some kind so we can visualize the different provinces in relation to each other.
12:21.27OluapPlayerI don't even know what that is
12:21.40Monet_OluapPLayer: Its the Verivok's space
12:21.49OluapPlayerAh
12:22.02OluapPlayerAlright I should've guessed that
12:22.13Monet_No worried lol
12:22.45Monet_Angrybirds: Could od yeah, and for a long time I have been meaning to make a map of the Imperium
12:23.09AngrybirdsMaps help a lot. ^.^
12:23.32Monet_For a long time I've felt overwhelmed making a detailed Imperium map because its just so big.
12:24.42OluapPlayerI can fill it now but I'm not sure what to put under Date of annexation and Grand Senate Representative
12:24.50Monet_Actually you know what: I made a 2ft tall clay and plaster model of Uriel complete with latex wing membranes and a cloak I cut and sewed together myself. I can make this map.
12:26.51Monet_OluapPlayer: Its when they joined so I suppose any date will do. If you want to wokr out an earth date just multiply the current Imperial year (ID.219508) by 1.14 to get how many earth years its been around
12:27.37OluapPlayerGuess I'll just come up with a number hur
12:28.44Monet_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium/Houses here's a selection of noble houses since all grand senate reps are draconis
12:29.26OluapPlayerSo do I have to choose one?
12:30.14Monet_Or you can make up your own. General rule of thumb is that the name sounds Roman.
12:33.35OluapPlayerHouse Voxis maybe? I don't see any province with a Voxis representative so far
12:33.52Monet_Sure.
12:34.36OluapPlayerrite I need a name for this dood or doodette
12:35.54Monet_Kalaus? (dood) Danareva (doodete)
12:36.25OluapPlayerI'll go for Danareva
12:36.58Monet_I was also planning on adding summaries of what each territory and culture is like.but you don't *have* to do that right now.
12:37.14AngrybirdsMonet: I need to see this model.
12:37.24OluapPlayerdere filled it
12:37.28AngrybirdsAre there pictures?
12:38.07OluapPlayerNow brb need to wash dishes
12:38.10Monet_http://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Model-Paragon-Of-His-Kind-381185927 ta-daa
12:39.17Angrybirds*melts*
12:39.54AngrybirdsSo much yes.
12:40.48Monet_I am quite proud of it.
12:41.50Monet_Although I have wondered about making another version with a styrofoam body.
12:45.52OluapPlayerrite back
12:46.27Monet_If I can build *that*. I can tackle maps of the Imperium.
12:46.51Angrybirds^
12:47.08Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ulanian_Revolution - c
12:48.45Monet_I'm liking the immensely-warped flag.
12:53.16WormyCertainly alien
13:12.47AdmiralPandaIs anyone else more than a little sick of Xaltsa spamming everything with pointless idiocy?
13:13.28Monet_raises his hand
13:14.08Monet_Basically from what I can see "I'm hiding behind am assive wall of guns so I can say whatever I like no matter how insulting"
13:15.11AdmiralPandaPardon my Australian, but he's a fucking retard that should never have been given leave to post things anywhere
13:17.45Monet_As far as I know he doesn't have any administrative power
13:18.07AdmiralPandaI don't care about his leadership role, what I care about is him spamming worthless crap everywhere
13:18.51AdmiralPandaAngrybirds decides to post a political Q&A for people to inquire about character's viewpoints, and he has to throw in a BAHAAHAHA I'M GOING TO KILL YOU ALL
13:19.10AdmiralPandait's annoying as all hell, and I'm really looking forward to Cleansing Flames ending so he can just be dead alread
13:19.11Monet_Yeah those are rather pointless comments
13:22.08Monet_Part of me wonders if Techno will kill him
13:23.11OluapPlayerThat's a spoiler
13:24.11AdmiralPandaif? if she doesn't, I will
13:24.17AdmiralPandaand that's a promise
13:24.29Monet_Damn...
13:24.36OluapPlayerhur
13:24.43OluapPlayer<PROTECTED>
13:24.57OluapPlayer<PROTECTED>
13:26.04Monet_Well its just if he doesn't we might have a very angry Austrailian on our hands.
13:26.49OluapPlayerIt doesn't matter if he's an angry australian, german, martian, he can't tell people what to do with their fiction hur
13:27.23Monet_You don't want to anger an austrailian heh.
13:27.36AdmiralPandaI don't care what means I have to use, I will make that SoB die
13:27.47OluapPlayerI'm not as bothered with Xaltsa as I'm bothered by the fact I was kinda dragged into the Cleansing Flames
13:27.55OluapPlayerI want it to end so Jo can shut up about it
13:28.47AdmiralPandahow were you dragged into it?
13:29.20OluapPlayerJo wanted me to do things with fiction we co-own and I kinda didn't have a say about it
13:29.32AdmiralPandaI see
13:29.42OluapPlayerI don't really mind helping her, I just got other priorities
13:29.45Monet_Also on an in-universe level USO wants to genocide the galaxy  think
13:29.58AdmiralPandaForgive me if this is snarky, but didn't you just say people can't tell people what to do with their fiction
13:30.20OluapPlayerI did, which's why I removed most of my participation from the Cleansing Flames
13:30.38OluapPlayerI'm currently only participating as Da Rogue Boyz because we co-own them
13:30.39AdmiralPandafair enough
13:31.06OluapPlayerUSO can want to genocide the galaxy thrice over if they want, I won't let them hur
13:31.41AdmiralPandacan't you just let her do the Rogue Boyz stuff? I mean if it's co-owned and all
13:32.07OluapPlayerAs I said I don't mind helping her with that
13:32.22OluapPlayerAlso I don't want to remove myself entirely from the war, it would upset her too much
13:32.55Monet_I know Jo wanted to portray in a more UNO in a less good-guy light but turning UNO into USO feels a bit extreme
13:33.54Monet_Also didn't she want more than USO on the "order" side of the war?
13:34.23OluapPlayerThat I don't know
13:34.48OluapPlayerBut I doubt anyone in their right minds would side with USO for anything
13:35.08Monet_That's the problem
13:35.26Monet_USO has degenerated into the North Korea of the gigaquadrant
13:35.31OluapPlayerolol
13:35.41OluapPlayerExcept this North Korea can actually fight
13:35.57AdmiralPandahave they actually won anything yet though?
13:36.12AdmiralPandaas far as I've seen, all that's happened is the Kill Team has just taken down USOC member after member
13:36.34Monet_Well before then USO were blowing up a lot of planets
13:36.49OluapPlayerYeah they had their share of victories
13:36.51Monet_Literally...obliterating them.
13:36.52AdmiralPandaah, I must have missed that part
13:37.03OluapPlayerThey do have the firepower to destroy the PCA, I just would never allow Jo to do it hur
13:39.31WormyA new one for LIquid's post - "Be careful where you sit - there's a bit of Pu on the bench"  http://38.media.tumblr.com/0f548e2f278b6a4fd4cec766a28e649f/tumblr_n81tb6CVbU1rlpicfo1_1280.jpg
13:40.04Monet_Lol
13:41.53Monet_Form a tactical standpoint is sending the same group of spec-ops soldiers to take out each USOC soldier and supreme leader one at a time?
13:42.14AdmiralPandarephrase please?
13:42.16Monet_Iknow simoultaneous assassinations are harder to work on but they are reasonably doable.
13:42.25Monet_OKay...
13:42.47AdmiralPandaI don't think your first line included an actual question
13:43.33OluapPlayerHe's asking if sending the same team all the time is a good idea
13:43.33Monet_So far we've had one kill-team going around USO territory killing USOCs members.. I'm just wondering if this is the best scheme that could win the war
13:43.52AdmiralPandaso far it seems to be working
13:44.00OluapPlayerWell the war most certainly won't be won just by getting rid of UNOC
13:44.39AdmiralPandathis is true, but they are a major asset
13:45.12Monet_Well for example I had the DI send an agent to take out Xaltsa early on because plot. But he was able to get closer to Xaltsa without raising suspicion than any member of the kill-team has managed.
13:45.13OluapPlayerAll this team talk kinda makes me want to work on the Vampire War
13:45.20OluapPlayerImp needs to get back from Draculaland already
13:45.24AdmiralPandaplease do :P
13:46.13Monet_Well, what I meant by the first example was I sent an assassin to kill Xaltsa but plot said the dude had to fail.
13:46.34AdmiralPandawell that's plot not battlefield strategy
13:46.41Monet_He was *right above* Xaltsa as well.
13:47.05Monet_I'm just wondering why USO's enemies don't do mroe of that.
13:47.24AdmiralPandaJo just doesn't understand the inherent flaws with visible enemies
13:47.31OluapPlayerI'm bothered that I want to show off stuff in fiction but doing it would be completely filler pointless/opposite to the plot
13:47.43AdmiralPandaif you put a high value target in view/range of the good guys, they are going to try to kill them
13:48.11AdmiralPandaJo once mentioned to me she was annoyed about people taking fire off a USOC member to shoot at Xalsa
13:48.32OluapPlayerThat's entirely her fault
13:48.42OluapPlayerIf the enemy leader is at plain sight you're gonna want to get rid of him
13:48.45AdmiralPandathat's what I'm trying to get at
13:48.58AdmiralPandashe doesn't quite get the whole thing with not making your villains accessible until you want them to die
13:49.42Monet_Barack Obama is driven round in a tinted bulletprrof limo for a reason.
13:50.32OluapPlayerJo did say a few days ago that she'd remove Xaltsa from the front lines for the next CF sections
13:50.39OluapPlayerSo I guess she finally got the idea
13:50.58Monet_Also that assassination attempt was largely inspired by how I was playing Hitman at the time.
13:51.26AdmiralPandaif there's one thing I learned from running D&D games, it's only put people in front of the party if you're comfortable with them dying
13:51.42AdmiralPandaso it's good that we're seeing less of Xaltsa
13:52.39Monet_Hitman may still have some hollywood-esque traits to it (like how all it takes to slip past a guard post is wearing their uniforms) but what it does do right is that killing guards and elaving them in plain sight is -not- a viable assassin strategy.
13:52.57OluapPlayerI've read about DMs commenting on it at 4chan, they often comment you should never leave the campaign's big bad in sight unless it's the final battle or they have a really good excuse to not die, say the party's distracted by a big angry enemy or they're somewhere where attacking someone would be a bad idea
13:53.25AdmiralPandaprecisely
13:54.05AdmiralPandathe latter isn't even a guarantee though, some players are just stupid
13:54.44OluapPlayerSay the big bad has a fuckton of guards who'll zerg rush the shit out of you if you do as much as breath in the enemy's direction
13:55.08AdmiralPandaas I said, some people are just stupid :P
13:55.21AdmiralPandathe best way is to just not put them there in the first place, have a lieutenant instead
13:55.21OluapPlayerLuckily I already worked this out for when I DM
13:56.20OluapPlayerAmong various other things I'm quite eager to try
13:56.45AdmiralPandawe could always set up a one-off
13:57.09Monet_This might be where films and video games differ from freeform RP.
13:57.35OluapPlayerI've not put much detail in my ideas yet
13:58.20Monet_If a bad guy is standing in front of you before the climax he's either going to stay in a cutscene or something such as plot prevents the protagnsits from jsut offing him/her then and there
13:59.02OluapPlayerI've also been getting ideas for weapons hur
13:59.23Monet_That something can be as logical as a forcefield or bullet-proof glass, or a plot-hole like "they didnd't think of doing it"
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13:59.26Hachimanhai
13:59.33OluapPlayerhai deer
13:59.34AdmiralPandahai
13:59.37Monet_Hi
13:59.51OluapPlayerI feel like I'm gonna end up spoiling everyone and giving you all OP weapons which'll make combat trivial
13:59.51AdmiralPandawe're discussing why Xaltsa isn't dead yet, and various tropes that stop the villain from dying prematurely
13:59.58OluapPlayerAs long as it's still fun who cares hur
14:00.28AdmiralPandawell just don't make it too unfun
14:00.35AdmiralPandacus trivial combat gets old kinda quicj
14:00.50Monet_If you end up giving us OP weapons, you can always throw OP mosnters to counter it
14:01.58OluapPlayerit wunt b unfun, ur first enemy will just be an olethrodaemon
14:02.59OluapPlayerYes, counter OP with OP
14:03.03OluapPlayergood strategy that
14:03.34Hachimanpls nerf
14:03.36Monet_Isn't that how things work in TTGL?
14:03.43OluapPlayerolol
14:03.45OluapPlayerIt is actually
14:04.00Monet_See? Is good strategy.
14:05.38OluapPlayerI did managed to figure out the first enemies
14:05.40OluapPlayereezy peezy stoof
14:06.13HachimanI'm gonna start on remaking the Cyrodnei
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14:14.20Monet_Hello
14:14.27OluapPlayerdumba
14:14.44Technobliteratorya dad
14:14.46Technobliteratorhi
14:17.51Monet_Its interesting how a demon is very different  fro ma daemon.
14:18.09OluapPlayerThere's demons, daemons and devils
14:19.17Monet_Classical daemons are very different from both demons and devils, funnily enough
14:20.25OluapPlayerDemons corrupt, devils make deals and daemons destroy
14:20.30OluapPlayerThat's how it goes in D&D iirc
14:20.56Monet_Classical daemons are usually benevolent.
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14:21.30OluapPlayerIn D&D they're the most malevolent hur
14:21.53dromsup
14:21.57Monet_Hi
14:22.48dromVanquish is the most underrated badass game ever.
14:22.55Monet_I think the twist relates to, surprise surprise, Christianity.
14:23.28Hachimandrom: I'm glad somebody else agrees
14:23.37Monet_SOmething about how some women were diagnosedd by doctors as being toyed with by "malignant" spirits.
14:23.41OluapPlayerDaemons want to bring the End Times and destroy everything ever, which means devils and demons would have nothing to feed on
14:23.54OluapPlayerSo devils and demons are not quite fond of daemons
14:24.30Monet_I'm mentioning this because most daemons in Warhammer are malignant.
14:24.47OluapPlayerAll daemons are malignant in D&D
14:25.12Monet_Originally daemon or "daimon" is Greek for "divine spirit"
14:25.38Hachiman"Daemon" in Warhammer 40k is just a Gothic term
14:26.12Monet_Perhaps.
14:26.12OluapPlayerWhen I get to be the DM in D&D, daemons will be the main antagonists
14:27.36Monet_Yeah, msut be, just has how Rhinos run on "promethium"
14:28.27Monet_Real promethium is solid at room temperature and is radioactive
14:29.08Monet_Its most often found in uranium ore.
14:29.57Monet_usually pitchblende. So unless all 40K veicles use nuclear material for propulsion ,real and 40k promethium is different
14:30.21Monet_In which case I can accept that daemons in 40K are not the same daemons as classical mythology
14:32.02Monet_In fact yeah, "demon" comes from "demon" because any supernatural being in Abrahamic myth is usually either aligned with God (angels, cherubs, saints) and are thus always benign, or they're not and likely servants of satan.
14:32.11Monet_demon comes from daemon*
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14:34.15Monet_Hi
14:34.24Monet_I feel like my habit of for the root of where words and concepts come from is incredibly nerdy.
14:34.37Monet_I feel like my habit of digging for the root of where words and concepts come from is incredibly nerdy.
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14:41.31Monet_I'll run a couple of errands then might see about setting up that minecraft realms server
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14:48.11CountImperios2Monet_: Okay I might be slow to respond but
14:49.30CountImperios2Finding the origins of words is not nerdy, it's a science hur
14:50.11Monet_Yeah you have a point.
14:50.31CountImperios2For example
14:51.03CountImperios2"Immolate" originally meant (in Latin) "to cover in wheat"
14:51.08Monet_For exampel just now I feel like I may have gotten on Oluap's nerves saying that until Warhammer, "dAemons" aren't normally evil.
14:51.21OluapPlayerNot really no
14:51.33CountImperios2In-mola-re
14:51.45CountImperios2Mola = like English "mill"
14:51.58AdmiralPandaI typically don't care where words came from, because meanings change over time
14:52.04AdmiralPandawhat I care about is I know what they mean now
14:52.25CountImperios2HOW meanings can change is another thing, panda
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14:52.52AdmiralPandaanother thing I also don't care about :P
14:52.56TekDroidHello
14:52.59CountImperios2Originally, "immolare" was "to sacrifice", because the victims of sacrifice were covered in wheat
14:53.04CountImperios2Hi Tek
14:53.40Monet_An exampel of this application: Aliens would probably use a word other than "phyrric" to mean "victory but at a price that makes it not worth it"
14:53.58CountImperios2Then it came to mean "to sacrifice by burning" and from this point we get to the modern meaning of this word
14:54.35OluapPlayernerdos
14:54.45AdmiralPandaMonet_: This is true, but translated into english you would still use the word phyrric
14:55.09CountImperios2ya
14:55.12HachimanI wonder if I should give new!Cyrodnei dreads or not
14:55.21HachimanThey have feathers on their limbs and faces after all
14:55.30CountImperios2Short feathers and stuff
14:55.45CountImperios2Hachiman: They should have dreads made of feathers
14:56.13CountImperios2Better yet, dread-like tentacles which may or may not be covered in feathers
14:56.21OluapPlayerhttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140703145551/spore/images/7/70/BrezareURC.png I just remade this creature
14:56.34CountImperios2It looks mean
14:56.40HachimanThat looks terrifying
14:56.53CountImperios2BTW guya
14:56.55CountImperios2guys
14:57.05CountImperios2Since you're all here
14:57.10CountImperios2Can I have a question?
14:57.21OluapPlayerThey're actually quite friendly
14:57.28Monet_OluapPLayer: I like those cute stumpy legs
14:57.46Monet_COuntImperios2: I'm open
14:57.50CountImperios2Right
14:58.09CountImperios2Why don't you greet me anymore? (Most of the time at least)
14:58.16CountImperios2Hachiman in particular
14:58.26HachimanBecause you disconnect so often
14:59.10OluapPlayerI barely greet anyone
14:59.15OluapPlayerolol
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14:59.21HachimanBecause you disconnect so often
14:59.24CountImperiosrite
14:59.34OluapPlayerI don't like greeting people
14:59.36OluapPlayerI barely greet anyone
14:59.41Technobliteratorexcept me
14:59.42Technobliteratorbecause i rule
14:59.48CountImperiosThought I offended you somehow
14:59.51AdmiralPandaholy crap when did TEchno get here
14:59.56Technobliteratorhi
14:59.57Technobliterator:D
15:00.08OluapPlayerImp chek Ice Age updates pls
15:00.09AdmiralPandaright, just as we started talking about demons
15:00.17AdmiralPandathat explains why I didn't notice you
15:00.22CountImperiosSay hello to me hur
15:00.40CountImperiosGimme a link
15:00.41Technobliteratorthat and me not saying anything had something to do with it
15:00.55AdmiralPandathat probably contributed
15:01.22OluapPlayerWhat was the last section you read?
15:01.42CountImperiosWhen Rebaris died or when Vekaron protected his daughter
15:01.45CountImperiosNot sure
15:02.12OluapPlayerYou're really late then hur
15:02.29OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ice_Age/Year_7#Battle_for_Hyperborea fairly sure you haven't seen this yet
15:02.37OluapPlayerIf you have then just scroll down to the next one
15:02.40CountImperiosBattle for Hyperborea
15:02.50CountImperiosSoon we shall find out that there is an AI on ir
15:02.52CountImperios*it
15:03.12CountImperiosThat will take Gardin's form
15:03.21OluapPlayerpls n
15:03.22OluapPlayero
15:03.48Technobliteratorfor some reason I feel like watching Advent Children again
15:05.00Hachimanhttp://i.imgur.com/AK3xNYO.png?1 and http://i.imgur.com/UK5AQvV.png?1 How do these look for new Cyrodnei?
15:05.31Hachimanhttp://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120420162501/spore/images/1/12/CRE_Cyrodi-0d33f9e5_ful.png For comparison
15:05.41AdmiralPandaI like it
15:05.58OluapPlayerAre the two new pictures different?
15:06.05OluapPlayerBecause the second one looks far better than the first
15:06.15HachimanNot really, they're the same creature, taken from a different angle
15:06.25OluapPlayerYeah that angle is far better
15:06.35OluapPlayerThe old Cyrodi look like babies in comparison hur
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15:08.18Hachiman_Shiternet cunt
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15:08.38TekDroidFirst one seems... can't think of the right work, but it's better.
15:08.43TekDroid*word
15:08.49Hachiman_I tried giving the new Cyrodnei a bird of prey look
15:08.50TekDroidHello OfficerJackal
15:09.23OluapPlayerI'm not so sure about that
15:09.32OluapPlayerThey remind me of roosters
15:09.40Hachiman_;-;
15:09.47TekDroidKinda.
15:09.49OluapPlayerI'm not saying that's a bad thing
15:09.53Hachiman_So they don't look intimidating hur
15:10.13OluapPlayerThey do, but the things on their beaks remind me of roosters
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15:10.24OluapPlayerI dunno how those are called
15:11.42Hachiman_I wonder if I should make the sexual dimorphism between male and female Cyrodnei radical considering that's pretty common in bird species
15:11.48Hachiman_Although that would make females bad hunters
15:12.13OluapPlayerRemember
15:12.15OluapPlayerBirds don't have boobs
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15:12.37Hachiman_http://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1392/92/1392928274315.jpg
15:12.40Hachiman_Really
15:12.50OluapPlayerdats not boobs
15:13.12Hachiman_http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Blue-footed_Booby_(Sula_nebouxii)_-displaying.jpg Blue booby
15:13.19AdmiralPandaI was just about to post that lol
15:13.35OluapPlayerThat bird doesn't have a boob, it IS a boob
15:13.47TekDroidlol
15:13.49OluapPlayerCompletely different matter
15:14.08AdmiralPandatechno straps two of them to her chest, instant boob job
15:14.18OluapPlayerwot
15:14.19Hachiman_I didn't plan on giving Cyrodnei boobs anyway hur
15:14.21AdmiralPandaHachi straps two of them to his chest, instant fantasy
15:14.27OluapPlayeru better not
15:14.30OluapPlayerIf you did I'd be very upset
15:14.35Hachiman_y
15:14.47OluapPlayercus birds dunt have boobs
15:15.04Hachiman_Cue synapsid excuse
15:15.05AdmiralPandathat might just be Australian humour there
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15:15.38OluapPlayerhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Dimetrodon_grandis.jpg i dunt see any boobs
15:15.55CountImperiosWhat is going on?
15:15.59GhelHello.
15:16.19OluapPlayerI'm saying that boobs on non-mammals are a sin and you should feel bad if you do it
15:16.33Hachiman_Hue
15:16.41TekDroidCountImperios: They're making jokes about the Booby (the bird)
15:17.03Hachiman_It's strange because monkeys/primates don't have boobs
15:17.16Hachiman_Humans are the only species that actually have breasts as we can recognize them
15:17.54Hachiman_Also screw it I'll just give the Cyrodnei size differentiation as sexual dimorphism hur
15:18.04Hachiman_That's how it worked for T-rexes
15:18.52CountImperiosThey do when nursing
15:19.16Hachiman_They do?
15:19.20CountImperiosYes
15:19.27CountImperiosBats do, too
15:20.11Hachiman_But
15:20.14Hachiman_Bats are terrifying
15:21.22CountImperiosDoesn't stop them from having boobs hur
15:23.21Hachiman_Makes me wonder if Zazane having boobs is weird
15:23.50OluapPlayerIt is since they're draconic but it's got to the point removing them would be weirder
15:24.05Hachiman_butbut synapsids
15:24.12OluapPlayerbut dragons
15:25.05OluapPlayerBut i'm fine with Dolgan and Kalcedia having boobs hur
15:25.45Hachiman_https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10501698_869868629700816_7800812311183608161_n.jpg Orange tortoise spider
15:26.20OluapPlayerThat's probably venomous as fuck
15:26.25OluapPlayerNow go finish paegs
15:28.00Hachiman_I wonder if it makes more sense for Cyros to be green rather than orange cuz forest/jungle environments
15:28.12AdmiralPandaalmost certainly
15:28.13OluapPlayerNot every plant is green
15:28.31OluapPlayerTheir homeworld's vegetation could've been orange
15:28.33AdmiralPandabut most are, and for good reason
15:28.46Hachiman_The colour green promotes photosynthesis though, which is why a majority of plants are green
15:29.11TekDroid^
15:29.18OluapPlayerOkay okay fine
15:29.45Hachiman_Perhaps like humans there are different coloured Cyrodnei; I did intend for them to be variable
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15:38.39AdmiralPandaand now to watch the Lego movie again
15:38.45AdmiralPandabecause it's just the right amount of silly
15:39.55TekDroidIt was better than I expected.
15:40.06AdmiralPandaI was pleasantly surprised
15:40.11AdmiralPandaright up until the real life stuff happened
15:44.05Wormy_awayI went to lego land once and got a legoland cart driving liscence
15:44.13TekDroidlol
15:53.11Monet_I just saw Xaltsa's most recent comment
15:53.19Monet_Seriously, does this guy know ANYTHING
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15:53.33AdmiralPandanot really, no
15:53.38CountImperiosHi
15:53.43AdmiralPandaif he does, he's an expert at hiding it
15:54.04CountImperiosI've been thinking of that pet cheetah Javina was supposed to have
15:54.11CountImperiosHow could I call it/him/her?
15:54.12Monet_He just told Hel'Bre'K Ce'So'Va, master of combat and in some cases msitaken for a god of WAR he doesn't even know what power is.
15:54.23AdmiralPandaooh I haven't seen this one
15:54.46AdmiralPandawow
15:54.50AdmiralPandathat one doesn't even deserve a response
15:54.53AdmiralPandathat one was full retard
15:55.08Monet_"Oh how foolish you all are, you don't even know what power is"
15:55.23AdmiralPandaHel' - Bitch please, do you even know what my name means?
15:56.05Monet_I can no longer find anything serious in Xaltsa
15:56.22Monet_His reputation has been buries within the core of a quark star.
15:57.23CountImperiosXaltsa is too campy for my likimg
15:57.27CountImperiosAnd too hammy
15:57.46AdmiralPandathe campy I'm ok with, it's just he's way too stupid to have been good for anything
15:57.56AdmiralPandawell, he might have been an ok performer
15:58.31Monet_We have no real idea because every performance he's made he's brainwashed his audience to applaud it.
15:58.31AdmiralPandaput simply, he's the essence of Chaotic Stupid
15:59.42Monet_By the lokos of things he could perform a solo rendition of Swan Lake where he throws his own shit at the audience and he'd still get a roaring applause.
16:00.11Hachiman_To be fair I'd applaud that
16:00.29AdmiralPandahe needs a supporting cast of monkeys
16:00.34AdmiralPandathen it'd be a real show
16:01.21Monet_Wait I forgot Xaltsa's a bomb nut
16:01.33Monet_"EXPLODING SHIT FOR EVERYONE"
16:03.41Monet_Xaltsa kinda killed USO's threat level for me.
16:03.59Monet_Not threat level sorry
16:04.06Monet_My ability to take it as a serious faction
16:05.27AdmiralPandawow I forgot how funny Bad Cop is
16:06.36Monet_The Omega Commander is an only sane man type, yes, he is the biggest threat to the galaxy. BUUUUT he WAS the one to put apeshit retards like Xaltsa and the Kralgon Emperor positions of command.
16:07.23Monet_That does negatively affect his outward look of competence
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16:21.07Technobliterator...
16:21.16Technobliteratorwhy are you talking about me behind my back like that?
16:21.31AdmiralPandawe weren't talking about you, we were talking about Xaltsa
16:21.47Technobliteratoryou were doing nothing
16:22.06Technobliteratormonet was going on a massive long rant
16:22.14AdmiralPandaI was too
16:22.17Technobliteratorno
16:22.21Technobliteratoryou were chipping in with comments
16:22.23Technobliteratoras was imperios
16:22.30Technobliteratorit was not a massive long rant for basically no reason
16:22.40AdmiralPandaI seem to recall using the exact words "fucking retard" to describe Xaltsa
16:22.46AdmiralPandanot really chipping in
16:23.11Technobliteratorand I seem to recall reading them, too
16:23.54Technobliteratorwell, whatever
16:23.59Technobliteratoryou both did it then
16:24.35Technobliteratorand now, allow me to answer you
16:24.40Technobliterator"The Omega Commander is an only sane man type, yes, he is the biggest threat to the galaxy. BUUUUT he WAS the one to put apeshit retards like Xaltsa and the Kralgon Emperor positions of command."
16:24.53TechnobliteratorI don't even know how to answer it anymore. I have a billion times.
16:25.05Technobliterator"He just told Hel'Bre'K Ce'So'Va, master of combat and in some cases msitaken for a god of WAR he doesn't even know what power is."
16:25.19Technobliterator...Yes? Close-to-omnipotent people tend to do that. -___-
16:25.38Technobliterator"put simply, he's the essence of Chaotic Stupid"
16:25.38Technobliterator.
16:25.39AdmiralPandaif they're arrogant beyond sensible
16:25.40Technobliterator...
16:25.53Technobliterator"By the lokos of things he could perform a solo rendition of Swan Lake where he throws his own shit at the audience and he'd still get a roaring applause."
16:25.57Technobliteratoris that not the whole point -____-
16:26.09Technobliterator"the campy I'm ok with, it's just he's way too stupid to have been good for anything"
16:26.10Technobliterator.........
16:26.37Monet_There's two kinds of hate: "Love to hate" and "Burn them in a tar pit" hate
16:27.25Monet_Love to hate is that special niche of villainy where you want them to fail and yet they are somehow endearing.
16:28.04Monet_http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveToHate right here
16:28.44TechnobliteratorI have made up my mind
16:28.47Technobliteratorfiction cancelled
16:29.11AdmiralPandayour call to make
16:29.47Monet_Is this because people hate Xaltsa?
16:31.12Monet_In fact...We weren't even talking behind your back. You could have come in and discussed at any time we were talking
16:31.36TechnobliteratorI was never updating the damn thing anyway, no one was interested, and I had no idea what I was going to do with it
16:32.20AdmiralPandanot that it means anything now, but I was
16:32.46Technobliteratoryou didn't enjoy any of the rps and frequently found me frustrating in them
16:32.58Technobliteratoryou would have lost interest over time, as would everyone else
16:33.11AdmiralPandaI was only in two of them
16:33.28AdmiralPandathe first one we weren't thinking on the same page, and the second one we come from different RP backgrounds
16:33.43AdmiralPandaso of course there were going to be birthing pains, but that didn't mean things weren't going to improve later on
16:34.02AdmiralPandaI'd only just started to develop a character I'd been sitting on for ages, I was looking forward to where it was going
16:34.27TechnobliteratorI can't do it, I'm a giant bitch to everyone that is only a detriment, this is not right for me anymore
16:34.45Technobliteratorenjoy your fiction universe, I will just lurk from now on
16:34.49AdmiralPandaas I said, it's your call to make
16:35.12AdmiralPandafight on
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16:36.35Monet_Techno can you please calm down
16:37.56Hachiman_To be fair
16:38.05Hachiman_If somebody said something like that about any of my characters
16:38.09Hachiman_I'd be pretty upset
16:38.33Monet_Completely understandable.
16:38.56Monet_Thing is, Xaltsa's design seamed almost intended to incite hate in him.
16:39.12Monet_Its like Xalta's design wanted us to see hi mdie horribly
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16:40.38AdmiralPandaRight, went through some progressions, got my emotions under control
16:47.08Monet_You didn't miss much
16:47.50Wormy_awayMonet:  I feel a Love to hate with the Galactic Empire in Star Wars, or Baal abd Apophis in Stargate
16:48.44Wormy_awayMaybe Phil Mitchel in Eastenders
16:48.55Wormy_awayHIe is the sole reason why I watch Eastenders
16:55.49Monet_Yeah
16:58.03Monet_A character acts like a complete asshole, no remose, no pity, yet something about them makes you enjoy watcinh them do all this
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17:23.11AdmiralPandahi
17:23.20Quark8Hello.
17:26.56Jepardihttp://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/a44vVAd_460s.jpg
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17:39.07Quark8Hello.
17:40.25AdmiralPandajust listened to O Fortuna, damn it's haunting
17:44.13Monet_Well, I think I've worked out why WOlfenstein: New Order may be so huge
17:44.41Monet_Huge maps, very detailed graphics and according to oen person a 20hr long campaign
17:48.50Monet_I'm stll early on and i've encountered a castle wall about 20 storeys high.
17:52.48Hachiman_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Third_Sovereign_Domain#The_Great_Undoing Behold
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17:54.03TekDroidHello
17:54.27OluapPlayerJunction - zazane got dunk'd
17:57.13Hachiman_War of Claim is the new name for the HSW btw
17:57.43AdmiralPandait still involves zombies rite?
17:58.06Hachiman_Yes of course
17:58.41OluapPlayerIt has no holy or shadow though which's why it was renamed
17:58.57OluapPlayerStill it'll always be Holy Shadow War in muh heart
17:59.34AdmiralPandaI do have to say though, War of Claim seems a little… clunky
18:00.37Monet_So it was the junction who toppled the Second domain
18:01.33Hachiman_Aye
18:01.57Hachiman_A combination of the Junction, rebellion, and civil wars between the Zazane
18:09.13TekDroidWar of Claim feels like it's missing an adjective
18:10.45TekDroid~test
18:10.48infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
18:11.06Hachiman_Nyeh
18:11.09Hachiman_Fine I'll change it then
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18:20.07Quark8Hello.
18:20.27Monet_Hi
18:21.51OluapPlayerhttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140703182132/spore/images/a/aa/Koldenwelt_Hydra.png groaningsnakes.png
18:25.51Hachiman_Looks pretty nice I gotta say
18:25.58Quark8Yep.
18:26.13OluapPlayerI found a way to get the heads to all look the same
18:26.22OluapPlayerThe previous model had misplaced eyes
18:26.58OluapPlayerhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140202182505/spore/images/archive/a/aa/20140703182132!Koldenwelt_Hydra.png mostly visible on the right eyes
18:28.33OluapPlayerAlso bland pose hur
18:30.03OluapPlayer~seen Cyrannian
18:30.06infobotcyrannian <4e120d7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.18.13.124> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 20h 6m 11s ago, saying: 'Hello!'.
18:30.15OluapPlayerbaw where's he at
18:31.07Quark8Not a clue.
18:31.24Quark8Ireland, maybe.
18:39.20dromI wonder what would a race's stats would be if it was a video game.
18:41.26TekDroidraces like the Kicath would get the hell nerfed out of them. :P
18:41.42AngrybirdsFrance - Kicath op plz nerf
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18:41.48DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
18:42.04TekDroidHey DrodoEmpire
18:42.07Quark8Hey
18:42.26dromUpdate 2: Kicaths nerfed into cute and harmless rabbits.
18:42.33AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire : So I made this and have no idea what to do with it - http://imgur.com/XrFH9Mz
18:42.50TekDroidActually humans would either need some serious buff or the rest of the universe nerfed like crazy. :P
18:42.50AdmiralPandaFordanta - We r totally balanced and need skill to be effective
18:42.53AngrybirdsEveryone - Mirage Roi op plz nerf
18:43.18DrodoEmpireWell that's one small-ass clip. XD Could be a dart gun?
18:43.22AngrybirdsTekDroid : Humanity's infantry would suck, but the rest of their stuff would be decent.
18:43.26DrodoEmpireLike a civilian weapon
18:43.26dromNaakji - Fuck dis game, I didn't even get a buff *ragequit*
18:43.37DrodoEmpireWhat are we currently talking about?
18:43.50AdmiralPandaif Sporewiki races were put in a video game
18:43.54DrodoEmpireAh
18:43.59DrodoEmpireWhich?
18:43.59AdmiralPandaand who would be buffed/nerfed in the first update
18:44.03DrodoEmpirelol
18:44.04DrodoEmpireAh
18:44.09dromJust jokingly about how Sporewiki races would been if it was in a FPS or RTS games. Or similar.
18:44.32AdmiralPandaI was once working on a thing of Sporewiki characters as champions in a MOBA
18:44.50AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire: The clip on the FAMAS is about that size: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS#mediaviewer/File:FAMAS_F1_with_bayonet.jpg
18:44.58AdmiralPandaI think I only did Tuolog though
18:45.09DrodoEmpireAh, true. :P
18:45.31DrodoEmpireWell it could be an earlier French assault rifle or a civilian weapon
18:45.41AdmiralPandaHel'Bre'K would totally be a squishy magic caster
18:45.46TekDroidAngrybirds: that gun looks like it was nade with that game thing. :P
18:46.20dromThat famas looks kind of weird with the bayonet on.
18:46.44DrodoEmpireThe FAMAS is a weird-looking weapon. XD
18:46.49AngrybirdsThe shape of the FAMAS generally looks odd.
18:46.49AdmiralPandathe FAMAS just looks weird
18:46.52AngrybirdsLol.
18:47.15AdmiralPandaof all the bull pup weapons I've seen, it definitely looks the weirdest
18:47.58DrodoEmpirehttp://imgur.com/gallery/L5mmG9T
18:48.11dromF2000 is the sexiest.
18:48.36DrodoEmpireMeh.
18:48.38Hachiman_ew guns
18:48.46DrodoEmpireBullpup weapons are weird in general.
18:48.58AdmiralPandathe F2000 is ok, personally I prefer either the G36 or F-**
18:49.01AdmiralPandaf-88*
18:49.06Hachiman_Guns do not interest me in the slightest really
18:49.15DrodoEmpireBut they interest us.
18:49.16DrodoEmpire:P
18:49.18OluapPlayergoonz
18:49.22Hachiman_I prefer swords myself
18:49.25dromOh yes, G36
18:49.28DrodoEmpireI like swords too
18:49.28AdmiralPandaHachiman_: but you cannot appreciate weapons without appreciating all weapons
18:49.41AngrybirdsDrodoEmpire: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ulanian_Revolution
18:49.42Hachiman_I never claimed to appreciate all weapons :p
18:49.44DrodoEmpireWell, I'm a weapons enthusiast in general; I like'em all
18:50.09DrodoEmpireAB: :O
18:50.21OluapPlayerappreciate finished paegs
18:50.40Hachiman_I feel that swords represent a man's need for assurance of masculinity and manhood much better than guns do :p
18:51.02AdmiralPandaiunno, nothing says overcompensation than a gun bigger than you are
18:51.22DrodoEmpireWell swords do take a lot more training and as weapons and I appreciate them like that; Once again, I like them all
18:51.43AdmiralPandaat least you're not a katana-cultist
18:51.48Hachiman_There's also the fact I'm a weaboo otaku fag
18:51.48AdmiralPandaif you were, I'd have to disown you
18:52.08DrodoEmpire^
18:52.15Hachiman_As cool as katanas are, they're laughable when faced with stuff like claymores and zweihanders
18:52.21OluapPlayer>hating on grorious nippon steel folded a gorillon times
18:52.24OluapPlayershiggy diggy
18:52.31Hachiman_I still laugh at gorillon
18:52.38DrodoEmpireKatanas are very overrated weapons; They're good, but far from the best
18:52.55DrodoEmpireEuropean longswords are better designed and made from better steel. :P
18:53.05AdmiralPandaalso not true
18:53.11DrodoEmpireBetter designed.
18:53.15DrodoEmpireFor certain.
18:53.16AdmiralPandaweapons were designed to fight armour, not to fight weapons
18:53.24AdmiralPandakatanas were designed to slash through layered silk
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18:53.31OluapPlayerYou nerdos can keep your weapon discussion while I brb hur
18:53.32AdmiralPandawhich they do very, very well
18:53.32OluapPlayerspu
18:53.41Monet_DrodoEmpire: Katanas are made in a land where iron is limited so I'd hardly call that superior
18:53.45AdmiralPandamost european swords were designed for thrusting
18:54.08AdmiralPandaand the forging techniques used in the better swords in both regions made the quality of the initial steel a moot point
18:54.11DrodoEmpireLongswords have the ability to be used in many different ways, and with a generous crossguard have good at defending against blades
18:54.32DrodoEmpireLongswords take impact better; They flex more.
18:54.37AdmiralPandaa katana didn't need to be used in many different ways
18:54.52DrodoEmpireI'm talking pound for pound, not about the techniques
18:54.58DrodoEmpireI like versitility
18:55.07AdmiralPandaand you're also comparing weapons to weapons, which doesn't work
18:55.21XhoSo we're talking about weapons are we
18:55.23AdmiralPandayou need to compare a weapon to the armour it was facing, that's the only way to assess how good a weapon was
18:55.33DrodoEmpireAnd for that the Longsword has it; It has the ability to be used as a sword, mace, etc.
18:55.34Xhohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba I like this
18:55.40Hachiman_hue
18:56.00AdmiralPandaa katana could slash through layered silk and lamellar easily, while a longsword could be used to hew and thrust, which suited the armours it face
18:56.16AdmiralPandafaced,* therefore they are both well-designed weapons suited to their battlefields
18:56.28XhoIn other news, Tom Cruise is 52 today
18:56.35Hachiman_You're joking
18:56.37XhoNope
18:56.42Hachiman_Geezush
18:56.42AdmiralPandayeah, he's old as hell
18:56.45AdmiralPandadoesn't look like it
18:56.51AdmiralPandabut he is
18:56.58Hachiman_Reminds me of Will Smith hur
18:57.03DrodoEmpireYes, but I still dislike the fact that the Katana has very little crossguard. :P Can I not discuss weapon designs, now?
18:57.04AdmiralPandablack don't crack tho
18:57.36Hachiman_But
18:57.37AdmiralPandaDrodoEmpire: it does however have more of a guard around the sides of the hand, which was more important for a katana vs katana duel
18:57.38Hachiman_Will Smith
18:57.56AdmiralPandathat's what I mean, black people always seem to look younger than they are
18:58.28Monet_Hollywood sees Katanas as cool because they're exotic, that's my opinion.
18:58.32AdmiralPanda^
18:58.49AdmiralPandaand you have weaboo katana cultists who don't actually care about how a weapon works :P
18:58.52Hachiman_Also, I'd like to point out that Hollywood invented its own version of the ninja sword
18:58.59Monet_A big chunk of the whole idea of "rule of cool" is that its not normal.
18:59.04XhoKatanas were forged to suit feudal Japanese combat arts and then you have Longswords to deal with European combat arts
18:59.06AdmiralPanda^^
18:59.08Monet_not something normal*
18:59.20XhoThey both served a purpose for two entirely different cultures
18:59.27AdmiralPandaprecisely
18:59.35AdmiralPandathey fought different armours and with different styles
18:59.47AdmiralPandathat's why you have to compare them to the battlefields of their time, rather than directly to each other
19:00.37Monet_I remember Bruce Willis used a katana in Pulp Fiction to stab a guy right in the back, is it me or wouldn't that work very well?
19:00.41XhoHachiman_: What if I told you that Jeff Bridges is only 12 years older than Tom Cruise
19:00.46Hachiman_Geezush
19:00.53DrodoEmpireA katana was curved-ish; But yeah it would work
19:01.06OluapPlayerya got nothing on Dark Souls
19:01.12OluapPlayerYou can backstab people with whips
19:01.13AdmiralPandaMonet_:Katanas are not stabbing weapons
19:01.14Hachiman_Does anybody remember that double-sided lightsaber from the first Star Wars prequel? Or the double-bladed staff from After Earth that Will Smith used in the beginning? What are those weapons called?
19:01.19DrodoEmpireThere have been weapons far more curved than a katana that could stab
19:01.21AdmiralPandadouble swords :P
19:01.29Monet_AdmiralPanda: The curve says it all really
19:01.33XhoDouble bladed lightsaber I guess hue
19:01.36AdmiralPandaDrodoEmpire: This is true, but curved weapons should not stab
19:01.51DrodoEmpireWell yeah, its not recommended obviously.
19:01.55DrodoEmpireBut its possible
19:01.57AdmiralPandafor the simple fact that it's curved, meaning the point is not in alignment
19:02.04DrodoEmpireYeah, I know. :P
19:02.40AdmiralPandaHachiman_: They literally are just called double swords or double bladed swords
19:02.41OluapPlayerMorningstar is best weapon, especially if imbued with angel magic
19:02.59DrodoEmpireOluap: Its a clumsy, scary weapon for sure. :P
19:03.07XhoMy favourite weapon is a Katar
19:03.14OluapPlayerYou're not gonna get the reference
19:03.17Xhohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katar_(dagger)
19:03.17AdmiralPandabest weapon is the weapon your minion is holding while he slaughters the world for you
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19:04.17Monet_Hi
19:04.18DrodoEmpireOluap: I do somewhat understand, but I'm just making a point that in real life that flails in general where not the most practical weapons.
19:04.21CountImperiosHi
19:04.31CountImperiosDrodoEmpire: RULE OF COOL.
19:04.37AdmiralPandaDrodoEmpire: They were perfectly practical against the knights they were created to fight
19:04.46CountImperiosMonet_: I just realised something
19:04.58AdmiralPandayou smash a guy in the shoulder, you mess up his entire arm just by misaligning the plates
19:05.12DrodoEmpireTrue; I just mean they take more practice and could very easily hurt the user if improperly used
19:05.21CountImperiosSince the modern Russian communists have reconciled with the church
19:05.25AdmiralPandathat's the same with a lot of weapons though
19:06.03DrodoEmpireIts much easier to kill yourself by accident with a flail then with a sword; Very possible for both but a flail has more risk. This is what I mean.
19:06.20AdmiralPandaI know
19:06.30AdmiralPandabut people using a flail started with a fixed mace
19:06.45CountImperiosThe ONLY thing the modern Russian communists and the American Republicans actually disagree on is economics
19:06.51AdmiralPandaso they usually had the training and practice needed to not screw up spectacularly before they started fighting
19:07.07DrodoEmpireI'll just stop. Apparently I'm making myself an idiot. :L
19:07.12DrodoEmpireNot to act immature
19:07.18DrodoEmpire*myself look like
19:07.24AdmiralPandayou're not, you just have an incomplete understanding of weaponry
19:07.27CountImperiosThe modern Russian Communist Party is all for traditions and the old ways, family values et cetera et cetera
19:07.33CountImperiosIsn't it ironic?
19:07.36AdmiralPandaI do too, I just know more about training and techniques
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19:07.51DrodoEmpireSuppose so, yes.
19:07.58Sporeraptorhi
19:08.00XhoThe best weapon is words people
19:08.01XhoWords
19:08.03AdmiralPandaI've actually been instructed in historical european martial arts
19:08.07OluapPlayerI have Xho
19:08.09OluapPlayerHe's the best weapon
19:08.18Xhongh
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19:09.15OluapPlayerBah i need something to do
19:09.18OluapPlayergimme something to do pls
19:09.40AdmiralPandamake cheesy Hachi slash fic
19:09.46CountImperiosGimme the link for your asfsadds elves agaom
19:09.57OluapPlayerur a asfsadds
19:10.04OluapPlayerI bet you'll disconnect as soon as I post it
19:10.04CountImperiosI could not read it when you showed it the first time
19:10.13CountImperiosNo I am standing still right now
19:10.18CountImperiosI won't disconnect
19:10.20OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3AAdsiduus_Elf
19:10.22OluapPlayerded imp
19:10.35XhoImperios breathes -> disconnects
19:10.36OluapPlayerWhen are you gonna be back from Draculaland?
19:10.42OluapPlayerI want you for Vampire stoof
19:10.46CountImperiosNext Monday
19:11.15OluapPlayerhoh, convenient
19:11.18OluapPlayerbe back from Draculaland -> for Vampire stoof
19:11.23CountImperioshur
19:11.29CountImperiosAlso, remember this creepy otaku girl? Nicolette is her name
19:11.29AdmiralPandaholy crap asfsadds isn't too far off
19:11.30XhoDo I come in for that yet
19:11.36CountImperiosTurns our she likes BDSM
19:11.43OluapPlayerWell
19:11.47OluapPlayerJust "well"
19:12.02OluapPlayerXho: niet
19:12.12OluapPlayerI think this girl is trolling you
19:13.14XhoCountImperios: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/765/375/d1f.png
19:13.38CountImperiosShe knows too much about BDSM
19:14.02AdmiralPandawhy are you testing her knowledge of bdsm?
19:14.08CountImperiosi did not
19:14.15CountImperiosShe started telling about it herself
19:14.23CountImperiosOluapPlayer: Human - COPYCAT DUMBO
19:14.35OluapPlayerAdsiduus - honk honk
19:14.47OluapPlayerYes I deliberaly made them similar to humans
19:14.51CountImperiosThey're like anti-Saphronians hur
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19:15.06AdmiralPandahm, I should do some more work on the Order of the Sable Rose
19:15.06Zmr56Hi there
19:15.08CountImperiosSaphronians = Humans with magic and stuff
19:15.21CountImperiosElven thinfs
19:15.25CountImperios*things
19:15.30Monet_OluapPlayer:Why make them so similar when we already HAVE humans?
19:15.40CountImperiosAdsiduus = Elves with human things
19:15.44Monet_It feels redundant
19:15.54CountImperiosActually I wonder if there are still humans in the Sovereigm
19:16.08OluapPlayerKoldenwelt doesn't have a "normal" elf race
19:16.12XhoNothing is redundant when you have http://defence.pk/attachments/spongebob-imagination-jpg.26156/
19:16.14OluapPlayerOr didn't rather
19:16.23Monet_Humans
19:16.30Monet_Humans are elfkind
19:16.30OluapPlayerThe Adsiduus are supposed to be classic elves
19:16.43CountImperiosrite
19:17.18CountImperiosActually what kind of humans would still live in the Empjre
19:17.23XhoNazis
19:17.25Monet_Xho: I wouldn't call "elves who are basically humans" imagination.
19:17.26XhoYEAH I SAID IT
19:17.31CountImperios*in the Sovereign
19:17.38XhoSocialists
19:17.40XhoYEAH I SAID IT
19:17.48OluapPlayerThat's like saying a D&D human and a D&D elf are the same thing
19:18.11Monet_Not really
19:18.23CountImperiosWe have Russian/Native American humans, German humans, Italian humans, Indian humans, Turkic humans, Maya humans and Asian humans
19:18.41CountImperiosNow who would live with the elves
19:18.45XhoMayan humans?
19:18.47Xhowher dis
19:18.49CountImperiosThe French humans?
19:18.49Xhogimme dis
19:18.49Monet_D&D elves are a blend of human and fairy.
19:18.52CountImperiosXho: Freelanders
19:18.57CountImperiosTropical Land paeg
19:18.59Xhorite
19:19.05XhoI will have
19:19.07XhoAztec humans
19:19.11Xhohardeeharhar
19:19.17Monet_In Forgotten Realms Elves are aliens to the main world, they come from a land called the Feywild
19:19.21CountImperiosJust make Shiarchon humans Aztecs
19:19.43CountImperiosActually what kind of humies are the Khoyan-Xa
19:19.48CountImperiosZulu?
19:19.48XhoI don't know
19:19.52XhoSuppose so
19:20.03XhoI forgot what the Shiarchon humans are called now
19:20.12CountImperiosCheck the Empire page
19:20.18CountImperiosXho: So of all people
19:20.25CountImperiosBlack people serve the Shiarchon
19:20.30CountImperiosHur
19:20.58XhoShiarchon - don't blame us
19:21.09CountImperiosShiarchon - Mein neger
19:21.19Monet_I think "humans dum" just reached its climax with these elves
19:21.34OluapPlayerI don't understand your issue with them
19:21.39CountImperiosThere should be an ethnic slur for humans that elves use
19:21.42XhoAilasi humans I guess
19:21.47CountImperios'HUMASH'
19:22.01Monet_OluapPlayer: My issue is they may as well be pretty-looking humans
19:22.28XhoCountImperios: "Spineless frilly stupid squishy people"
19:22.45OluapPlayerBut they're not humans, they don't have the same origin, appearance or abilities of humans
19:22.59AdmiralPandathen… what makes them similar to humans?
19:23.07XhoThat they can't use magic I guess
19:23.09XhoOr
19:23.12XhoNot natively powerful with magic
19:23.21OluapPlayerThey can use magic
19:23.27XhoOr they just look normal hir
19:23.28Xho*hur
19:23.33CountImperiosWell personally
19:23.47CountImperiosI liked SporeWiki elves being very distinct from humans
19:24.06CountImperiosSkin colour, body type, et cetera et cetera
19:24.19Monet_So we're just throwing away the idea that humans are descended from elves. Okay. Fine.
19:24.24OluapPlayerUgh
19:24.25OluapPlayerFine
19:24.37OluapPlayerI'll delete them if it bothers you so much
19:24.49CountImperiosThat's important since humans and elves arr mortal enemies in SporeWiki
19:25.25OluapPlayerI was just trying to give people a chance to not be restricted to a single magic element whenever they want an elf
19:25.33Wormy_awayI thought the Koldenwelt humans were simply Eastern Elves without the ears
19:25.45XhoWe do have western humans
19:25.45AdmiralPandaI never really cared :P
19:26.17Wormy_awayYes, but they could still be the same race
19:26.26Monet_OluapPlayer: This distaste of yours for using humans in fiction is starting to get on my nerves.
19:26.43OluapPlayerYou're getting on my nerves with your finger pointing
19:26.47XhoHow about
19:26.50XhoWe calm down
19:26.52XhoAnd accept things
19:26.53OluapPlayerI stopped caring about humans already
19:26.55Wormy_awayEastern Elves don't have look like Eastern Asiatic peoples :P
19:27.00XhoAnd play nice
19:27.05XhoSharing is caring
19:27.09AdmiralPandagrabs popcorn and a sofa, and hugs Hachiman_ like a plushie
19:27.29Wormy_awayshoots care bear beams at everyone
19:28.45XhoSeriously there is no problem with having Adsiduus Elf
19:28.46XhoElves even
19:29.14OluapPlayerThere isn't anymore because there's no Adsiduus Elves anymore
19:29.23Xhogosh darnit
19:29.35XhoPerhaps I should mediate less and slap up bitches more
19:30.21AdmiralPandaI for one would welcome our new bitch-slapping Xho
19:30.25Wormy_awayI don't have anything against the Adsiduus elves
19:30.38Wormy_awayI just can't keep up with Koldenwelt fiction
19:30.51Wormy_awaySo are humans elves or not?
19:31.03Monet_WOrmy_away: They're supposed to be
19:31.10XhoI wouldn't say they are
19:31.17XhoIf they were they'd be called elves
19:31.19XhoNot humans
19:31.32Monet_For a tiem western elves were called humans
19:31.43XhoFor a time
19:31.45XhoNot now though
19:32.06Monet_I've gorwn disinterested in the fantasyverse anyway
19:32.34Monet_Fprget O said anything you can feel perfectly free to keep your human elves
19:32.57Monet_SInce I'm th eonly one who has a proble mwith them
19:33.12OluapPlayerStop with your provocations
19:33.13Wormy_awayOriginally, humans were simply called Eastern Elves, so pardon my confusion
19:33.46Wormy_awayI don't mind if it changes
19:34.12AdmiralPandaWormy_away: don't worry, you're not the only one confused
19:34.21Monet_Provocation? I'm letting you get what you want.
19:34.30AdmiralPandaslaps Monet_ and OluapPlayer
19:34.36AdmiralPandastoppit
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19:35.19XhoThis was the stupidest discussion ever to grace the IRC by the way
19:35.28AdmiralPandanot really
19:35.30Wormy_awayWell
19:35.34AdmiralPandathere has been much stupider
19:35.38XhoWell
19:35.41XhoStupidest argument then
19:35.54AdmiralPandaI dunno, we were both here when Aeo was around :P
19:36.03Wormy_awayOluap:  It seems a shame to delete all of that page which looked about complete to me
19:36.05Xhowas outsmarted
19:36.09AdmiralPandahehe
19:36.14OluapPlayerThey were complete
19:36.32AdmiralPandagives Xho a consolation Asgord
19:36.46OluapPlayerRegardless of Monet being rude or not, I still got Imp's disapproval, which was mostly what I was waiting for
19:37.02XhoYou got my approval though
19:37.28Wormy_awayDo what you think is best, I wouldn't delete something over that myself but its your fiction
19:37.38OluapPlayerIt's better this way
19:37.45OluapPlayerNo bickering, no nitpicking
19:38.00OluapPlayerI was just trying to help, I ended up causing a shistorm
19:38.09XhoLast time someone said that we called it the Holocaust
19:38.18Wormy_awayIt makes a point though.  I don't like all this nitpicking either
19:40.41XhoMy point still stands even though it was 75 years ago
19:42.51Jepardihttp://d3dsacqprgcsqh.cloudfront.net/photo/aAYjM3p_460s.jpg
19:43.33XhoNow why didn't I think of that
19:43.42XhoIf I did have to have a superpower it would either be that or telekinesis
19:43.50XhoSO I CAN FUCKING MOVE CARS WHO PARK IN MY SPACE
19:44.07AdmiralPandaif I had a superpower it would be the ability to make puppies manifest wherever I want
19:45.24TekDroidAdmiralPanda: That reminds me of this. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=499
19:46.31AdmiralPandaThat is precisely where I got it from
19:46.41Hachiman_Where the hell did the Adsiduus go
19:46.42TekDroidOh. XD
19:46.55AdmiralPandaHachiman_: You missed that entire thing didn't you
19:47.14Hachiman_I was at dinner
19:47.32AdmiralPandascroll up a bit
19:47.38Hachiman_Wow what the fuck
19:47.50Hachiman_OluapPlayer: Stop being a dum and undo those deletes
19:47.58OluapPlayerStop talking about this
19:48.22Hachiman_But
19:49.37Zmr56Well that really was a stupid argument
19:50.18Hachiman_That wasn't even an argument, it seemed more like fucking bullying
19:51.14Zmr56I liked those elves anyway
19:51.48Hachiman_Considering that I helped Oluap in setting them up and giving them a backstory
19:52.00Hachiman_I am seriously fucking outraged
19:52.15AdmiralPandahugs Hachiman_ to try to calm him down a little
19:52.28Zmr56They were a nice change from the regular kind of elves
19:52.49Hachiman_What happened was bullying for the most pettiest of reasons
19:52.50XhoIt's not worth deleting something over
19:53.10XhoIt's like listening to one critic among ten thousand devotees
19:54.14Hachiman_I'm not mad because something I put effort into was shunned and deleted, I'm pissed off because something Oluap put his time and effort into got deleted because people wanted to be a fucking critic
19:54.34Hachiman_He had good intentions and what happens? "Don't like them ew get rid of them"
19:54.38AdmiralPandasettle down mate, don't get things out of hand
19:55.04XhoI'd just say reinstate it
19:55.15XhoIf I deleted my fiction for every time someone didn't like it I'd have no fiction
19:55.28AdmiralPanda^ same
19:55.38Hachiman_"Too similar to humans" Well guess what we have fucking so many human fictions in the main fictionverse
19:56.06Hachiman_And how many empires in the fictionverse/Fantasyverse are analogous to human nations
19:56.30XhoEveryone hur
19:56.41XhoI think it's impossible to create something truly alien
19:56.56XhoIt's not something the human mind is able to totally accomplish
19:57.18Hachiman_"I liked elves when they weren't similar to humans" Well then give your fucking elves eight legs and six pairs of eyes
19:57.30XhoSpider humans
19:57.33XhoCan we not
19:57.36XhoCan we not plz
19:57.54Hachiman_Honestly what happened here was bullshit and I'm not going to stand for what happened because this is honestly disgusting
19:58.18XhoPut it on a forum page then
19:58.28Hachiman_Right
19:58.37XhoOluapPlayer: Bickering & nitpicking is immature, rise above it and don't listen
19:59.35Wormy_awayI don't agree.  While it is true we can't make meaningful science fiction out of something without any human element, every new mode of thinking is new.  It is simply that we can't predict future knowledge.  Physicists examine the non-human condition, psychonauts go into deep meditation and take drugs and experience altered states beyond words
20:00.14Wormy_awaypoure mathematics is totally alien to physical reality in many cases
20:00.15Hachiman_Instead of helping, Monet and Imp just outright shunned Oluap and pretty much just labelled it as "pointless", which is something that no user here should ever do to another user
20:00.56Wormy_awaywho knows what future humans would know it would certainly be alien to anything we can experience or be aware of now
20:01.56XhoSuppose so
20:02.26AdmiralPandaand we can certainly create creatures with mindsets that humans wouldn't readily adopt, the Fordanta among htem
20:02.33XhoBut imagine if there was something so alien there is no way in a mortal or an immortal's mind it could be conceived
20:02.49XhoI'm more on about aliens on the metaphysically improbable scale
20:02.50AdmiralPandabecause everyone knows it's against human nature to completely give yourself up to the whole with no thought of self
20:03.20AdmiralPandaXho: Actually you reminded me of one interesting thing in Skyrim, that a mortal cannot truly comprehend immortality, and vice versa
20:03.36AdmiralPandawhich is why the Dragonrend shout works
20:03.42Wormy_awayIt amazes me that this "chemical scum" (Stephen Hawking), can dream of distant quasars.  The physics of a quasar jet is utterly alien to anything we can experience, but none-the-less, our brains contain an explanatory model
20:04.07XhoI keep on trying to do that with the Xhodocto; while I've gotten closer there's no way I could make them incomprehensibly alien and explain them at the same time
20:04.25AdmiralPandathat's because the two are exclusive
20:04.27Wormy_awayIt depends how out of context this level of unknowableness is
20:04.36AdmiralPandaif you can explain something, then by definition it's not incomprehensible :P
20:05.15XhoWell I have said that the Xhodocto aren't really 'Xhodocto' in a sense, more like masks/agents of beings that I can't explain in any manner
20:05.26XhoA form of interaction almost
20:05.59Wormy_awayI'm sure there is infinitely more we don't know but I don't think it is in the scope of any philosophy to erect barriers of what we can know
20:06.45XhoIt isn't, but at the same time there's no such thing as a freedom to what we can know to me
20:06.51XhoMeaning of life falls into that category
20:06.53Wormy_awaySo the Xhodocto can be as arbitrarily far as you want them to be.
20:08.29Wormy_awayPhilosophies that try to close explanation or say that explanation is meaningless are generally bad ones, since they blight progress of knowledge in the first place.  Empiricism for example, in the 19th century, some scientists would reject anything they couldn't see.  Ernst Mach rejected Special Relativity and atoms
20:10.25Wormy_awayMeaning is an interesting one
20:12.26Wormy_awayI'm reading atm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach) about "implicit meanings" in DNA.  Is DNA just a random string of "button pushers", or is the information somehow deeper.  By that, for example, scientists warn the small pox virus could be recreated
20:12.52Wormy_awayIf you threw a chunk of DNA in a star, it is certainbly out of context
20:13.05Wormy_awayBut it is in context, in environments that produce knowledge
20:13.20Zmr56http://i.imgur.com/YtpiRjU.jpg Battle of Arse
20:13.24Wormy_awayEither the cell, or the critical reasoning abilities of intelligent agents
20:14.06AdmiralPandaZmr56: Oh my
20:14.31AdmiralPandathat just reminded me of the Battle of Shitscreek
20:14.44Wormy_awayMaybe there are things totally out of context, for example, alien abstractions (say, aliens livining in fluid using different mathematics intuitive to them).  But in terms of physics, there will be commonalities.
20:15.01Wormy_awayand isomorphisms
20:15.03AdmiralPandait was an observation exercise we once did in Cadets, involving trying to spot people crossing a dry riverbed that had been lovingly named Shit's Creek
20:17.27OluapPlayerhttp://38.media.tumblr.com/8f7f08743941f33ddfaad1197ecb2535/tumblr_n7wrxzDW271qh2qqno1_500.jpg
20:17.43Zmr56Heh
20:17.45AdmiralPandaum
20:17.48AdmiralPandaright
20:18.39Hachiman_olol
20:18.49OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyzRzXu9Sw
20:19.19AdmiralPandalolwhat
20:19.24OluapPlayerhttps://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10354228_10204178234602563_942295296509062048_n.jpg
20:19.56XhoNu - happy birthday hachi
20:20.13OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/6Pitado.jpg
20:23.14OluapPlayerhttp://static.naamapalmu.com/files/mw/big/wrh0tkwv.png
20:24.47OluapPlayerhttp://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Oh+Kermit_a98927_4542378.png seeing this always puts a smile in my face
20:25.08Zmr56heh
20:25.58Wormy_awayHm, I do wonder if "ultimate reality" will forever be beyond our reach
20:26.47Wormy_awayEither reality is infinitely layered or we just can't infallibly know it down to every detail.  A bit like incompleteness in mathematics
20:29.20OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/gRbwf.jpg
20:29.37Xhohoh
20:29.52Wormy_awaylol
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20:31.22Wormy_awayHi
20:31.30Val_Hello!
20:32.31OluapPlayerhttps://31.media.tumblr.com/4df0bb93239d2d8f9bc69bbe7f04aa85/tumblr_n82ampQpIH1stiqjjo1_1280.jpg
20:33.11Val_lol
20:33.34Zmr56Hi
20:34.03Val_Hi
20:34.12Hachiman_Xho: https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/10462719_268441473360395_7358152749563429019_n.jpg
20:34.53OluapPlayerhttps://38.media.tumblr.com/b637cb29672d7d31d94f959ee85d09b8/tumblr_myp37kBYXz1scxadvo1_500.png
20:35.17Hachiman_Thought the shark was genuine for a moment
20:35.20WormyNo crown, no king
20:35.41AdmiralPandafun fact, apparently Aquaman is strong enough to punch Superman to the ground
20:35.51AdmiralPandaclearly, bad writing is what makes him Suckaman
20:36.34Hachiman_Wait really?
20:37.16OluapPlayerhttp://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/h5266j8kbiTh.jpg
20:37.29AdmiralPandayeah, there's a whole bunch of things he's capable of that never get much showing
20:37.58WormySuperman looks worried http://imageserver.moviepilot.com/aquaman-forced-hand-jason-momoa-talks-aquaman-is-he-set-to-be-an-anti-hero.jpeg?width=1439&height=1035
20:38.28OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/cLimkmO.jpg have a lizard
20:39.27WormyRobin Hood lizard
20:39.45AdmiralPandahe also once unleashed a telepathic barrage so powerful his enemy killed himself to end it
20:40.17Hachiman_But in the end he still sits at the bottom of the sea talking to fish
20:40.29AdmiralPandanot as much as you'd think
20:40.43Wormynot bad either
20:40.50AdmiralPandathere are as many works where he's King of Atlantis as there are where he just talks to fish
20:41.12WormyYou should agree that sealife makes better company than fifthly humans
20:42.15AdmiralPandaoh, and he fights the setting's equivalent of Cthulhu every year at exactly teh same time
20:42.15AdmiralPandaand wins
20:42.47Hachiman_Which character is this?
20:42.58OluapPlayerhttp://static.naamapalmu.com/files/iy/big/nzfrp2ro.gif
20:43.37AdmiralPandaAquaman
20:43.50AdmiralPandaapparently he has regular bouts with an inter dimensional demon
20:44.10AngrybirdsWe have to remember that the Gigaquadrantic Conflicts will also see the fall of empires: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ulanian_Revolution
20:44.24Hachiman_No I meant which demon is this
20:46.10OluapPlayermy head hurts
20:46.17OluapPlayerThankfully I don't have college tomorrow
20:46.32AdmiralPandaFrom what I understand they're called the "Night Gods"
20:46.39AdmiralPandain other words a Cthulhu expy
20:50.18Zmr56Hmm, I think Mardvaeli might give the French Andromedans assistance in le Revolution.
20:51.26AngrybirdsFrench Andromeda is probably going to just seize a wormhole because it's up for grabs.
20:51.42Zmr56And I've replaced the old colonial flag. The green looked horrible and I decided to make it look more like traditional colonial flags,
20:51.52Zmr56http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140703205051/spore/images/0/07/Mardvaeli_Flag_Quadrants.png
20:53.19AngrybirdsZmr56 : I wasn't going to say anything about the green, but that looks a lot better.
20:53.54AngrybirdsThe thick black and white outline of the Mardvaeli flag looks a little weird, though, and the star's border is a bit off.
20:54.05AngrybirdsBut the design and colors are really nice.
20:54.17AngrybirdsReminds me of Australia's flag somewhat.
20:55.20Zmr56Now to do the same thing with Mirus
20:57.55dromDown under region of Mardaevli.
20:59.18AngrybirdsZmr, speaking of Mirus: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AFrench_Mirus_Colonies
20:59.50Zmr56Aye
20:59.54Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Meet_the_users - for an image to represent you, do you want Miniportraits or other images?
21:00.14Technobliteratorand how do you want the separation of groups to be? or do you want any separation
21:01.17Zmr56Should we do separation by join date and rank?
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21:01.33Zmr56G'day
21:01.50Technobliteratoruh, perhaps. But I would say not, that implies there's a clas system when there isn't
21:01.56dromblargh, I changed my mind. Have this open while I mann up in TF2.
21:02.20Technobliteratoralso, is this for the fictionverse or otherwise?
21:05.01OluapPlayerif you really want to keep that page then it should be multi-purpose
21:05.10OluapPlayerAnd to answer your question, miniportraits I guess
21:05.36Technobliteratormultipurpose? So, I can merge it with the admin page too?
21:06.18OluapPlayerBy multi-purpose I meant it should include the whole of the wiki, not just the fictionverse
21:06.30Technobliteratorright
21:09.57TekDroidFor mert the users, why not just alphabetical?
21:10.14TekDroid*meet
21:11.16TekDroidAlso maybe update the active/inactive if we want to keep that.
21:13.35TechnobliteratorI should probably do nothing to it yet, as no one else has given any real opinions
21:13.35Technobliteratorother than "I like the table idea"
21:14.27TekDroidStart a forum topic.
21:14.31TekDroid*?
21:19.00Hachiman_A Roman walks into a bar and asks for a Martinus. “You mean a martini?” the bartender asks. The Roman replies, “If I wanted a double, I would have asked for it!”
21:19.35TekDroidLatin jokes?
21:19.45TechnobliteratorBecause an alphabetical list of users would still be long and cluttered
21:20.02Technobliteratoralso, the talk page is the place to discuss it, so there's no need for a forum
21:25.49AngrybirdsAnyone want to erect an embassy/building on Galactica while I'm at it? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Galactica
21:30.05Zmr56Put a Mardvaeli Quadrants Embassy down there
21:31.06AngrybirdsAnd name it that?
21:31.16Zmr56Sure
21:31.26AngrybirdsAlright. Anything I should know about the building itself?
21:32.16Zmr56Nothing in particular, just like any other embassy
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