IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140626

00:00.30MonetFrance - Everyone loves dual citizenships
00:00.54AngrybirdsPretty much. I have one.
00:01.25AngrybirdsMy sister was actually born in the United States, so she was an american citizen before we even were.
00:03.00MonetActually that's something I could add to my list of "similarities ot real-world aspects" - patriotism and misconceptions of what deomocracy is
00:03.21MonetEven i nthe wikiverse we have people who think democracy = freedom.
00:03.28Monetfictionverse*
00:04.19AngrybirdsHow so?
00:04.58MonetMy case: Kies thinking  Draconid Imperium < Draconid Federation.
00:06.27MonetPlus I think Colby Stevens has taken jabs at political freedom in the DI
00:07.07MonetAlthough granted one of those two is a comedian and the other is channeling the Murica.
00:07.20WormyThe story behind "th" is that the Spanish king (or saomeone of great status) had a lisp, but was immensely popular, so people copied him.  So "z" in the latin america is closer to original accent.
00:07.50WormyA latin american told my friend, I don't know how true it is, might be biased
00:12.39TybusenProbably is biased
00:13.03TybusenPeninsulars are known to have a certain amount of disdain for people who speak in a Latin American dialect
00:13.22Tybuseni.e. every Spanish speaker who isn't from Europe
00:14.04MonetDon't forget Portuguese speakers
00:14.09TybusenIn the US, we are taught the Latin American dialect, so if I went to Spain I might get some slight condescendence
00:14.10Wormyviseversa
00:14.41TybusenBut Spanish people are also usually pretty friendly to foreigners, from what I've heard
00:14.51WormyLatin Americans say Spanish people speak with a lisp
00:15.07WormyI've been to Spain, loved the culture there
00:15.28WormyThey actually clean up their cities at night
00:15.55MonetFriendly locals is good for tourism
00:16.02WormyI like how families stay up all night late drinking and eating
00:16.09WormyI saw locals dancing
00:16.28WormyMy family don't go to many high touristy places though
00:16.31TybusenI've heard that the Spanish and the Italians are the two most foreigner-friendly peoples in Europe
00:16.37MonetTybusen: Is it me or is Zhen Liu rather...busty?
00:16.51HachimanWhat's this?
00:17.09MonetLol
00:17.19TybusenHachiman: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zhen_Liu New character
00:17.29HachimanGeezush look at those tits
00:17.39TybusenFor an Asian, I suppose she's rather busty
00:17.46WormyWhen I arrived in Manchester, it was a different story...  A short walk from the airport to a chip shop and I saw youths out smashing bottles, a drunk old woman banging her head on a bus stop as her friends tried to sit her down, and a pool of blood.
00:18.20TybusenI was using the STO character creator for her, and that's about halfway up the slider for "bust size"
00:18.20Wormywhat a contratst
00:18.31TybusenSo it could have been larger
00:18.33WormyI like the atmosphere of Spanish cities
00:18.36MonetTybusen: Halfway, seriously?
00:18.56MonetMax size = Jessica Rabbit.
00:19.06TybusenAbout 3/5 of the slider
00:19.32TybusenPerhaps in the future Asians started getting larger bust sizes
00:20.02TybusenShe's also pretty tall by modern Asian standards at 5'11"
00:20.10Wormyat 74 shes look good
00:20.24MonetI was going to comment but I thought it might sound racist
00:20.27HachimanMilf hur
00:20.29Wormylol
00:20.41WormyI was about to do the same3
00:21.08MonetZhen - Free mirrion dorrars fah prastic surgery, totarry wirth it.
00:21.19Hachimanolol
00:21.56Monetthe length and number of Also Zhen's titles are phone book worthy.
00:22.06TybusenThat was an error in the Wiki coding
00:22.13TybusenI'm fixing that in the next edit
00:22.33MonetI mean she has lots and lots of titles
00:23.00Wormyhttp://i.imgur.com/BkBwv.jpg
00:23.12TybusenSix titles
00:23.44Hachimanolol
00:24.02TybusenWormy: Zhen - to herr with yo menopause, imma be young forevah
00:24.32Wormyzhen uses lots of zen currency
00:24.55MonetUriel XV - Bitch please
00:26.13Wormyclears Uriel's zen account
00:26.24TybusenI lied, she has seven titles
00:26.28Wormyhow will you pay for anti aging cream now huer
00:26.56MonetUriel XV - I won't because I'm dead.
00:27.21TybusenZhen - *prays to her ancestors to mock Uriel XV in the afterlife*
00:27.40Wormyrock
00:27.47Wormywe wanna rock!
00:28.02MonetUriel XV - I was having tea with them before you were born girl
00:28.33TybusenZhen - Yeah but when I pray to them they say u ugly as shit
00:29.07MonetUriel XV - I'm a Draconis so its understandable.
00:29.28HachimanFunny cuz Asians tend to think dragons are amazing creatures
00:30.23TybusenEastern dragons
00:30.35TybusenWestern dragons, not so much
00:30.55TybusenActually, now that I think of it, has there ever been a Fictionverse species based on Eastern dragons?
00:31.03HachimanLunscinth
00:31.14MonetFictionverse.
00:31.34MonetCLosest we've had are Drantoa, a group of Chinese Draconis
00:32.47TybusenDrantoa - We bettah than arr them Draconis dogs because we Chinese
00:33.03TybusenI just realized that I haven't eaten anything for literally a day now
00:34.32Wormywhy
00:35.58TybusenI fell asleep for almost a day yesterday and I've never bothered to eat anything since I woke up
00:36.06TybusenI should probably eat something
00:36.48Wormyyeah
00:36.48Wormydrink lots
00:36.54Wormyyou will be dehydrated
00:37.07WormyI do not want a dehydrated community
00:37.40TybusenIt's an odd feeling where I don't feel hungry at all, until I start eating or smell food, at which point all the hunger starts flooding in
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00:43.27WormyHachiman:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55CqLc6IR0
00:43.46WormySong of Xho (or me probably hur)
00:49.03HachimanI still wonder if people are eventually either gonna end up actually establishing that Civ Stage fiction universe or confirm allowing it to die
00:52.06WormyLatter won't happen
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00:53.50TekDroidHello
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01:13.40WormyHachiman:  Monster Magnet were at Download https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Qkx50825A
01:14.00Wormy1:30 in hurr
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01:38.57DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Coron_Map.jpg - A rough map of the Drodo homeworld of Coron I made earlier.
01:39.25DrodoEmpire(Thicker lines are the dividing lines between continents
01:39.45DrodoEmpireAs well it does not include any mountains, etc.
01:40.49DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Coron_Climates_Map.jpg - Map of climates; What colour is what is defined in the description
02:15.52TekDroidDrodoEmpire: Looks good.
02:16.06TekDroid~test
02:16.06infoboti heard test is not funny
02:16.14DrodoEmpireThanks
02:22.18DrodoEmpiretest
03:06.17DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/CXhbFdj.jpg
03:08.45DrodoEmpirehttp://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l638/customer0012/V2_1-1.jpg - "Kingdom of America"
03:13.43DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Coron - Quotes, anyone?
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07:00.43GhelaeHello.
07:10.27Liquid_InkHello
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07:12.52GhelaeHello.
07:15.42AdmiralPandahi
07:49.14Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zhen_Liu So her page is good enough to be shown now
07:50.40TybusenAdmiralPanda Angrybirds Ghelae Liquid_Ink TekDroid look at asian lady
07:50.55Liquid_InkMany Asian.
07:51.08Liquid_InkMuch Human/
07:51.08Ghelaereads the page
07:51.09Liquid_InkWow
07:51.20Angrybirds:D
07:51.58AdmiralPandashe's so cocky lol
07:52.41AdmiralPandaI get the feeling that most threats that would cause someone like the AGC to ask for help are just a tad over the heads of the humans :P
07:53.23AngrybirdsI wouldn't be so sure of that.
07:53.54AdmiralPandathe humans are quite advanced, I'm fully aware of that, but the larger alien factions are quite a bit moreso
07:54.06AngrybirdsIf France by itself is an emergent superpower, imagine what the sixteen states of the Orion League could do.
07:55.44AngrybirdsTybusen: I'll think of a quote to add.
07:56.12TybusenAdmiralPanda: Zhen - Goddamn mongorians stop tearin down my shitty warr
07:56.21AdmiralPandahu
07:56.22AdmiralPandahur*
07:56.46AdmiralPandaAngrybirds: Not trying to argue, just saying- you say France, I say DCP, we see who wins the argument
07:56.58AdmiralPandaI'm not talking about just asking for help, I mean needing help
07:57.39AdmiralPandaif you had a force so powerful that the likes of the greatest nations in the universe were desperate for help, might be a bit too big for the humans to be the major players on their won
07:57.41AdmiralPandaown*
07:57.52TybusenThey could still make a difference though
07:58.10AngrybirdsI see what you mean, unless of course it's a situation in which the great nations are at odds with one another.
07:58.15TybusenThey're not a hyperpower but they're certainly capable of contributing help
07:58.33AdmiralPandathey could, and I'm not denying that, what I'm saying is there's not going to be a situation where anyone says "Help us humans, you're our only hope"
07:58.45Angrybirds^
07:59.12AdmiralPandaand therefore Ms. asian lady is cocky :P
08:00.16TybusenI think Chinese people throughout history have had that opinion of "eh we're too good to help you losers out heh heh horf"
08:00.39AdmiralPandathis is true
08:00.55AdmiralPandain which case she's an excellent representative of cultural stereotypes :P
08:01.31TybusenThough now instead of other humans it's aliens now
08:01.45TybusenShe's actually very fond of the other human cultures
08:02.06AdmiralPandaI could tell pretty quickly she's a humie lover :P
08:03.44AdmiralPandaanyway, back to trolling goblins
08:05.17AdmiralPandaimagine, if you will, a horde of goblins trying to whack me, except every second they stand next to me they take damage from my aura, and every time they whack me I get mana back
08:06.20Tybusenmasochism
08:06.58AdmiralPandaoh, and I get health back when I do magic damage
08:07.07AdmiralPandaso I'm currently camping three goblin spawners and just not dying
08:08.46AdmiralPandaif only I could craft things without it being interrupted when I'm attacked
08:30.31AngrybirdsAdmiralPanda Liquid_Ink : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:186221#3 Are you interested at all in this? We're about to start the race, and adding candidates later on might be cumbersome.
08:32.26Liquid_InkI might make one tomorrow.
08:32.49Liquid_InkOooh, but I'm no good at roleplaying.
08:33.22AngrybirdsYou're great at writing, though.
08:33.42AngrybirdsWhen I said roleplaying, I just meant generally writing for the character and having them participate in events and making decisions.
08:35.05Liquid_InkI'm not overally good at that either
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08:38.29Angrybirds_Dced.
08:38.37Angrybirds_Liquid: Eh, you'd have me to give you a hand. I just don't want a limp Chairman of an already limp organization.
08:39.02Angrybirds_And I've seen you're writing, you have a talent for the subtleties.
08:43.19Liquid_InkHmm.
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08:46.16JepardiHi
08:52.44AdmiralPandaAngrybirds_: Australia gives as many fucks as there are slim Hutts, but Iunno
08:53.07AdmiralPandamight do something with supporting the campaign of whoever they like more
08:53.17Angrybirds_That'd be cool. :D
08:53.26TybusenZhen - free iphones for the australians
08:53.40AdmiralPandaAustralians - Meh
08:53.53AdmiralPandaAustralians - We have cybernetics for that
08:55.28Liquid_InkSpeaking of Hutts, Australia has one in charge. http://37.media.tumblr.com/ca9c64a84906871abc49e41808fab70f/tumblr_n5bc7sSpzX1rmhyhfo1_1280.jpg
08:55.44AdmiralPandabahaha so true
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10:50.31MonetGood day
10:50.53OluapPlayerhello
11:10.34AdmiralPandahi Monet, hi Oluap
11:10.45AdmiralPandabtw, I've been thinking about future campaigns
11:12.43MonetYeah?
11:14.21OluapPlayerHm?
11:15.18AdmiralPandaobviously it'll be a while before it happens, but I'm working on a couple of setting ideas
11:15.44AdmiralPandaone's your usual sort of fantasy setting, the other I'm going for a bit of a steampunk/magitech approach
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11:20.24AdmiralPandafor the latter, wizards, clerics and paladins wouldn't be playable, but a couple of the advanced classes would
11:20.45AdmiralPandaand things would be a bit Imperium of Man where magic users are concerned
11:21.05Wormyhi
11:24.07WormyThey should make a film out of this http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac41/Weirdmage/Book%20Covers/StarMaker-Cover.jpg
11:25.05MonetIsn't the book on a really geand scale?
11:26.02WormyFor a book of 1937 it gets the scale of the universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Maker#Science .  The aliens it imagines are often swarm minds, others advance to galactic scales with dyson spheres and system-sized engines
11:26.23WormyThere is a war between the galactic community and sentient stars
11:26.37WormyHe imagines virtual reality
11:26.55WormyThe book will take you away
11:27.04MonetIt took Hollywood three films and much cutting out to make films out of Lord of the Rings and I hav yet to see any any attempts at tackling The Simarillion.
11:28.15WormyEventually after the witnessing the omega point ofintelligence and the death of the universe, the character meets the Star Maker and all other universes the star maker built.  One was made of music
11:28.38WormyThis is not a film for Hollywood
11:31.27WormyI almost wondered if the author astral projected lol
11:31.31WormyIts too vivid
11:31.48WormyIts like a biography
11:32.03Wormy1937!
11:32.15MonetActually you have a point.
11:32.28WormyIt obviously inspired sci fi authors since
11:32.49MonetHollywood needed to add a jerk just so they could make a storyout of Titanic.
11:33.04WormyEspecially Xeelee Sequence
11:36.25MonetWHen I think about it, Hollywood lost its edge a long time ago.
11:38.58Monethttp://www.cracked.com/article_19012_5-hollywood-secrets-that-explain-why-so-many-movies-suck.html this may explain things
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11:49.54HachimanHey
11:50.50AdmiralPandahai buniman
11:51.01AdmiralPandaI did some thinking about a future D&D campaign setting
11:52.50WormyThis would make another film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon's_Egg
11:53.09WormyThere isn't enough speculative or hard SF films imo
11:53.33WormyThere is some of course.  And one coming out that I know of
11:58.12MonetReading this article...damn Hollywood is corrupt
11:58.42Monet"When legendary producer Harvey Weinstein was in charge of Miramax, he used to buy exclusive rights to foreign films and then push back their releases indefinitely as part of a scheme to get bonuses from Disney. He bought the rights to distribute Jet Li's movie Hero and then didn't, releasing it a full two years later only when Quentin Tarantino finally intervened."
11:59.32MonetAlthough I have to say, this guy's got balls for blocking Jet Li
12:02.20HachimanGuess this proves how much of a badass Quentin Tarantino is
12:05.35Wormythe destiny trailer plays on my dreams for interstellar travel
12:06.53MonetHollywood also likes slapping the certification "NC-17" on independant filmmakers. FIlms rated NC-17 (No One 17 and Under Admitted) get a large advertising block and many large cinema chains forbid showing films with this MPAA rating
12:08.39MonetOften a film given such a rating dies from being largely unknown, or very rarely - such as A CLockwork Orange - it becomes an underground cult hit.
12:12.48MonetParker and Stone made a film called "Orgasmo", it was slapped with NC17 and is largely unknown. South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut has textbook South Park violence, profanity and lewd humour and it got an R.
12:13.45MonetThe key difference between Orgasmo and South Park? Orgasmo was made by a studio called October Films while SPBLU was made by griggin' Paramount.
12:14.29MonetParamount is one of the big studios that controls the MPAA and thus has control over what ratings its films get.
12:14.45HachimanSouth Park was also a very successful, as well as very controversial, series prior to becoming a movie
12:14.52HachimanMeanwhile nobody knows what the fuck Orgasmo is hur
12:16.07MonetWhich also leads to an even bigger point:
12:16.33MonetBecause everyone knows what SOuth Park is, Hollywood could make a buttload more money out of it through merchandising
12:16.42HachimanWell yeah
12:17.16HachimanThat is generally how advertising and promotion works
12:17.26HachimanIt's not wrong to make money
12:18.00MonetTrue.
12:18.03HachimanIn fact quite a few well-advertised films have been significant flops that have devastated careers for actors and directors
12:18.33HachimanSo it's better to shroud an independent film that may ruin a director's/actor's reputation rather than have it posted on billboards and internet trailers
12:19.06MonetI remember reading that before the 70s, studio owners were thinking "Toys and t-shirts to promote movies? That's crazy!"
12:19.22Monetselling toys and t-shirts*
12:20.08HachimanYeah, blending together different media for promotion and merchandising didn't come around until the 70s/80s iirc
12:20.15HachimanNot that I was born in that time hur
12:20.53MonetI can't remember what film started the craze
12:21.07HachimanI'm willing to bet either Terminator or Alien
12:21.10MonetStar Wars maybe.
12:21.12HachimanOr Star Wars hur
12:21.39Monet"I wanna laser sword fro mthat film" seems like a viable target market to make mone from.
12:24.58HachimanThen came the era of shitty tie-in movie games
12:26.22MonetI was at one time tempted to buy Avatar: The game because I liked the idea of bounding though those jungles or walking about in one of those mech things.
12:26.34MonetYeah, glad I didn't buy it.
12:27.13HachimanI thought it was meh, wasn't exactly terrible
12:27.19HachimanJust kinda mediocre
12:32.59Monethttp://www.cracked.com/article_19016_5-myths-about-military-you-believe-thanks-to-movies.html this was something of an eye-opener.
12:33.43MonetAnd yeah, PTSD isn't all hallucenations, flashbacks and disturbing thoughts.
12:33.54MonetOr full-blown psycho outbreaks
12:35.22Wormy"I'm going to choose those, as long as it is not a fractal or something silly like that"  I like Penrose's humour http://youtu.be/th3YMEamzmw?t=5m
12:38.51MonetAlthough stuff like "once you're sent to war you fight until you win or die, and if you win you come home", "PTSD = Psycho-like insanity", "Everyone is a brother in the army" and "war veterens are underappreciatted economically" I knew must have been balls.
12:39.23MonetAnd "all drill sergeants are psychotic hot-heads who hate your guts"
12:46.37OluapPlayerMonet: Would you be available to D&D in an hour from now?
12:46.49MonetPossibly.
12:52.55Monethttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140626115827/spore/images/d/d0/Commander_Marius.png in other news I made a deemun
12:56.20OluapPlayerI take that's supposed to be the Draconis demon you drew
12:56.47MonetYeah.
12:56.59MonetI'll see about a page later todaty
13:01.19MonetXho and I discussed some details about him yesterday
13:08.52HachimanI may have accidentally Fus Ro Dah'd Lydia out of existence
13:09.04HachimanI was fighting Falmer, used the Fus Ro Dah, and then she disappeared
13:10.20OluapPlayerhur
13:10.50AdmiralPandalol
13:11.08AdmiralPandaI started another game recently, it's now bugged
13:11.10AdmiralPandapeople don't talk
13:11.20AdmiralPandaand enemies just stand there letting me hit them
13:11.36AdmiralPandawhich is a shame, because just before the bug hit, I fully furnished my Hearthfire house
13:24.06OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdcAISQdhhA
13:25.29MonetHachiman: In regards to earlier about merchendising and films. Its reached the point where a film might at best make only a small profitunless there's a huge merchendising potential
13:27.16MonetWHich I guess I can understand seeing as how the US dollar is curerntly a little over half the value of the pound and the euro.
13:33.27AdmiralPandaoh the glories of looking back at all the wonderful magic items I've created in my time playing D&D
13:33.41AdmiralPandaI once made a magic shield that let me cast the Fly spell on myself
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13:35.22OluapPlayerdumba
13:35.29Technobliteratorya dad
13:36.02AdmiralPandaoh and here's a good one: a two-handed hammer that made the wielder count as one size category larger than the target for the purposes of resolving damage
13:36.03MonetAdmiralPanda: Does that mean we'll see you flying tohugh the sky propelled by a magic shield in front of you?
13:36.17AdmiralPandaMonet: It means the shield splits into two metallic wings that lift you up
13:36.28MonetOkay that's much cooler
13:36.42AdmiralPandayeah, and it was expensive as hell
13:36.54OluapPlayerI prefer imagining as a shield with tiny wings which you hold above your head but nonetheless can still carry you in the air
13:36.55AdmiralPandacus it was effectively a Dancing shield that also cast a spell on me
13:37.25AdmiralPandaoh god, I just found my own version of Wabbajack
13:37.51AdmiralPandaa staff that casts Wild Dweomer, oh that was fun
13:38.15OluapPlayerAdmiralPanda Monet Hachiman: Can we play now?
13:38.19AdmiralPanda(please tell me if me going on about all the funny magic items I created/found gets annoying)
13:38.28AdmiralPandaI'm good
13:38.44MonetI'll fetch some eats first so give me a few minutes.
13:38.52OluapPlayerhurry the fuk up
13:39.18OluapPlayerCall pls
13:39.19Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/1044004_252907554906608_1119679956025078117_n.jpg Absolutely disgusting
13:39.32HachimanI can't talk on Skype call cuz tablet outta charge
13:39.36HachimanBut yeah call dis
13:39.37OluapPlayerJesus christ how horrifying
13:39.38OluapPlayerdum
13:39.45OluapPlayerCharge it nao
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13:40.01The_RandomnessHello everyone
13:40.02AdmiralPandayeh charge ur tablet
13:40.04AdmiralPandahi
13:40.22AdmiralPandait's not loading, what is it
13:40.36GhelHello.
14:19.15TekDroidHello
14:38.01WormyThe more one studies epiestemology and complexity, the more one realises how frighteningly little we know
14:39.45WormyHow do brains even make analogies?  What is happening physically when we make concious decisions or do mathematics?  How are non-computable problems solved?
14:40.55WormyEven brains are linked very tenuously by this vacuous structure we call language.  For the complexity gap between brains is wider than the gap bridged by evolution between the genes of flowers and bees.
14:42.01WormyAnd we only after all, perceive a virtual reality, modelled by our brain, programmed by evolution and culture.  That is why science and physics reveal counter-intuitiveness.
14:42.40WormyWe should not be disappointed.  More this fallibalness and lack of foundation of systems allows them to progress,
14:44.55Wormynow for some trippy electronic http://youtu.be/4UuCgIi3Dgk?t=59m38s
14:54.56TekDroidWe really do know so little sometimes, even about some important things.
14:59.08WormyDavid Hilbert asked for kind of logical proof which could prove or disprove the consistency any mathematical problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_problems
14:59.29WormyIt was found so system could exist.  This was unfortunate for the oldies of mathematics
14:59.34Wormy*no system
14:59.46WormyBut fortunate, in many ways for us
15:00.20WormyMathematics would have died is such a system was found
15:00.28TekDroidDefinitely.
15:02.03TekDroidAnd if something as solid as mathematics could be disproven, what's to stop all of logic itself from being disproven. Everything we knew would be a lie.
15:03.36WormyWell, in a way, that happened.  By finding no logical foundation, a black hole essentially, mathematicians have had to trace around it
15:03.52Wormybut it is accepted now
15:04.32WormyAt the centre seems to be incompleteness
15:04.53Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems
15:05.04WormyThat istself is really fascinating
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15:06.17DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
15:09.16Wormyhi
15:09.19TekDroidHello
15:09.59WormyThis is interesting, how its hard to categorise even simple questions and sentences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3QDMkMGmQ
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15:21.18CountImperiosHi
15:21.24TekDroidHello
15:21.27Sporeraptorhi
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15:35.39CountImperiosHuh, the people in the camp are crazy
15:35.49MonetOh?
15:36.16CountImperiosMost of them are hormonal teens who *won't* shut up talking about each other's mums even when it's midnight
15:36.50CountImperiosAnd one of them made a soup from lemonade and crisps
15:37.43HachimanEw
15:37.45CountImperios'I fucked your mom' 'NO I fucked your mom"
15:37.58TekDroidO.o
15:38.02CountImperiosMe - Do you know what Oedipus's complex is?
15:38.15CountImperios'THAT'S YOUR MOM WHEN I FUCKED HER'
15:38.52CountImperiosAlso, why's is it that so many girls like anime so much?
15:39.40CountImperiosThe only girl (not counting small kids) in my camp is a crazy anime fangirl, like Alyona but worse hur
15:40.58CountImperiosHm, lemme come up with an analogue
15:41.26CountImperiosIf Alyona is somewhat similar to Oluap in personality, this girl is more like Hachi
15:42.27CountImperiosI wanted to show her an anime picture but then thought it's kinda kinky and decided not to
15:42.42CountImperiosHer reaction? 'LEMME WATCH I LOVE HENTAI'
15:43.14CountImperiosShe was *disappointed* when she saw that the picture didn't have sex
15:44.16CountImperiosAnd she's actually younger than me
15:46.11CountImperiosAre you busy, guys?
15:49.58CountImperiosGuys?
15:50.01DrodoEmpireOh, sorry; I was reading. :P
15:50.29DrodoEmpireEveryone else, I don't know.
15:51.47AdmiralPandathe usual guys are playing D&D, so yeah
15:52.49CountImperiosVery well
15:53.57TekDroidI was working on a fiction section.
15:57.11MonetI feel bad now
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15:59.49MonetImpy feeling ignored because several of us were in D&D
16:00.05MonetThe chat almost seems ot die when we do.
16:00.14Val_Hello
16:00.16MonetHi Val
16:00.30Val_How's everything?
16:00.50MonetDoing okay.
16:01.27DrodoEmpireQuick, can someone give me a good name for an encyclopedia? A ficticious one?
16:01.35Val_Awesome
16:01.44AdmiralPandahi Val
16:01.45DrodoEmpireAlso, hi Val
16:01.55Val_Hey everyone
16:01.59MonetDrodoEmpire: Gigaquadrantic Compendium?
16:02.11DrodoEmpireAlright, it works
16:02.13DrodoEmpireThanks
16:02.13AdmiralPandaMonet: Well we do make up 50% of the people in chat at any given time, so of course if we're all playing D&D there's going to be some silence
16:02.15Val_Compendium sounds good
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16:03.18The_RandomnessHello everyone
16:03.26Val_Hey
16:03.52Sporeraptorho
16:03.56Sporeraptor*hi
16:04.14The_RandomnessVal_: You're back! :D
16:04.28Val_Yes I am!!
16:04.36Val_How are you doing??
16:04.57The_RandomnessI'm doing well, but I haven't gotten much done (yet)
16:05.16Val_Good to see you are good
16:05.45DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Coron - Added a new thing to this
16:06.17DrodoEmpireRefresh the page; I noticed a spelling error. :P
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16:09.41DrodoEmpireHey
16:10.00Wormy_awayhi
16:12.28Val_hey
16:12.43TekDroidHello
16:16.55AdmiralPandahi
16:17.19Val_Who's the best human-maker in spore?
16:17.19CountImperiosHi
16:17.27CountImperiosMe but I'm unavailable
16:17.33CountImperiosTry Oluap
16:17.35Val_Second best?
16:17.42CountImperiosCyrannian
16:17.43Val_All right
16:19.23MonetI can make okay-ish humans. But yeah Cyrannian is a better choice
16:22.13Wormy_awayI can make near humans, but I haven't mastered the nose
16:22.32Wormy_awayCyrannian and Imp mastered the nose, eyes and cheeks
16:22.51Wormy_awayThey did what I thought was impossible
16:23.35The_RandomnessI'll be back later, nice to see you again Val
16:23.39Val_I need a human that would look as if he was altered psionically
16:24.16HachimanI could do that maybe
16:24.59MonetVal_: What kind of changes would that entail?
16:25.18CountImperiosHachiman Monet: So... any reaction to what I said?
16:25.39HachimanWhat?
16:25.43HachimanWhat did you say?
16:25.49MonetHow old was this girl?
16:25.53CountImperios^stuff above, about the anime girl
16:26.03CountImperiosMonet: ...TWELVE.
16:26.13MonetAre you kidding me?
16:26.14CountImperiosShe looks older than that, though
16:26.19CountImperiosLike 15 or something
16:27.04MonetWhy do I get the impression she loves hentai though peer pressure?
16:27.10CountImperiosHeh
16:27.27CountImperiosPossible, she mentioned she has yaoi fangirl friends
16:27.38MonetThe same way kids age 23 or 14 get hooked on cigarettes
16:27.45Monet13*
16:28.06CountImperiosSpeaking of yaoi/yuri, I liked her reaction to the pic of kissing sylvari I had
16:28.34CountImperios'Oh wow so kawaiii... wait that's a girl not a boy... that's yuri? asdfsfdd'
16:28.40CountImperiosThat was what she said roughly
16:29.13MonetSo she had a mindblow at a pic of lesbo love
16:29.34Wormy_awayMy old college was like some  summercamp, since it was a countryside college you had loads of 16 to 20 years doing shits and giggles and lecturers didn'y bat an eye
16:29.49MonetAnd here I thought everyone loved lesbians
16:30.17Wormy_awayI remember seeing some students racing tractors, quads and a lawnmower
16:30.29Wormy_awayand others setting up fires
16:30.45Wormy_awayI almost got shot by a bb gun fired through a window
16:30.53Wormy_away*air rifle actually
16:31.31Wormy_awayOne student sold pheasants he'd shot to a polish bus driver who couldn't drive or speak English
16:31.50Wormy_awayAnd our lectureres dropped us off at the pub illegally
16:31.58Wormy_awayGood times
16:32.54Wormy_awayA little pocket of real life in a sea of health and safety nanny state regulations.  Most colleges are boring
16:33.05Wormy_awaybuit not that one
16:33.18Wormy_awayout in the countryship nobody gives a shit
16:33.23Wormy_awaycountryside
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16:34.16Quark8Hello.
16:34.20Wormy_awayhi
16:34.42CountImperiosDammit Hachi you ought to react to this hur
16:35.08CountImperiosMoner: She liked the picture so she redrew it with other (and straight) characters
16:35.25CountImperios'Me and some random bishonen'
16:36.51CountImperios* Monet
16:37.06CountImperiosHachiman: So... any reaction? Sorry for being intrusive
16:37.14HachimanI'm busy
16:37.14CountImperiosActually nevermind
16:37.26Wormy_awayDon't worry, chart is pretty quiet right now
16:37.31Wormy_awaychat
16:37.37CountImperiosRight, I guess
16:37.47CountImperiosHachiman: Okay, sorry then
16:38.07Wormy_awaythen again I wonder if people don't know to react to what I say which is often a rant or something random and irrelevant
16:38.22MonetIt always gets eerily quiet when Oluap, Panda, Hachi Random and I start playing D&D.
16:38.41Wormy_awayaye
16:39.42AdmiralPandathat's because half of the people in IRC stop watching IRC
16:39.43Wormy_awaySometimes I wonder if I had the most fun at the countryside/agric college
16:40.16Wormy_awaybut then it had plenty of people who were mean to me, and people who liked to make me know I was hated by them
16:40.31Wormy_awayMuch nicer people at uni
16:41.29Wormy_awayI was thrown into nettles and bracken once
16:42.05Wormy_awayNot bracken, brambles
16:42.27MonetNasty.
16:42.41Wormy_awayI was nearly beaten up on the college bus too
16:42.49CountImperiosWow, it's cool
16:42.53Wormy_awayand threatened cwith a knife
16:43.17Wormy_awayI will never talk about death again...
16:43.51Wormy_awayI said I how I liked to think time was a static block, and the guy in front (who I didn't know) had his sister die
16:44.09Wormy_awayHe got very upset, and started threatening me
16:44.42Wormy_awayAh sorry I'm revealing too much of my personal life, sorry.
16:44.46Wormy_awayprobably boring
16:45.09Wormy_awayBut yeah, my first college was a paradox.  I loved and hated it
16:45.44CountImperiosIf's interesting
16:46.04DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Coron - Just throwing this out there again. :P
16:46.57Wormy_awayMy college lecturer dropped me off at a bus stop, but he didn't tell off the other student
16:47.00Monet"It is well known for the way it almost effortlessly strikes the balance between being a trade and industrial powerhouse, and being untouched and having miles of wildnerness. " thisp lanet is Draconis-approved
16:47.16DrodoEmpirelol
16:47.25Wormy_awayand thats when I knew I wasn't very liked at college
16:48.23Wormy_awayI should have taken it to the police, its not right for someone to be that threatening, but nvm
16:50.21Wormy_awayDo I annoy people here?
16:50.31Wormy_awayAnything, feel free to say
16:50.44AdmiralPandayou don't annoy me, I just tend to zone out when the convo doesn't involve me
16:50.49MonetNot me. I like a lot of the things you talk about
16:51.13DrodoEmpireWormy: You certainly are not annoying; Don't worry. XD
16:51.17Wormy_awaySometimes I feel as though I do when I rant about something and talk about things I have no idea if anybody is interested
16:51.19Wormy_awayAh good
16:52.15Wormy_awayIt was talking about time being a stubbornly persistent illusion that landed me in troublew before :P
16:52.22Wormy_awayBut then, I was in the wrong crowd
16:55.17Wormy_awayIt is nice to the know the Drodo take care of their worlds
16:56.52DrodoEmpireHm,
16:57.02DrodoEmpireAnything else? Other comments/suggestions?
16:58.05MonetI can comment a little later
16:58.11DrodoEmpireAlright
17:01.30SporeraptorCoron seems like the complete opposite of the Troodontid industry worlds, much better imo.
17:01.59Wormy_awayI'm in the middle of cleaning my room, I'll look properly later
17:01.59DrodoEmpireAh, thanks
17:03.10DrodoEmpireMost Drodo worlds try not to damage the environment too much; Except of course for industrial worlds, but these are generally terraformed, formerly barren worlds anyhow.
17:03.32DrodoEmpire*World governments
17:09.35Wormy_awayThe DCP do manage their worlds but on a very artificial level
17:13.11DrodoEmpireRight
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17:38.40DrodoEmpireHey
17:40.03Sporeraptorhi
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17:58.06dino_hello all
17:58.10DrodoEmpireHey
17:58.24MonetHi
17:58.26dino_how is all doing?
17:59.07MonetVery well.
17:59.22Sporeraptorhi
18:05.09dino_Great to hear!
18:05.17dino_Hello Sporeraptor! Long time no see :D
18:18.01TekDroidOoh... EUIV is on sale (at less than the normal Steam sale price). DLC too. Hm... *holds wallet contemplatingly*
18:18.17DrodoEmpireI though you already had it?
18:18.25DrodoEmpire*thought
18:18.57TekDroidI don't have CoP though.
18:19.08DrodoEmpireAh,
18:19.22DrodoEmpireYeah, definitely a worthwhile buy then
18:20.05TekDroidOf course it might screw up the native game I'd already started. XD
18:27.45DrodoEmpireYou can switch it off on the DLC section of the startup menus
18:27.48DrodoEmpire*menu
18:34.16TekDroidI'm obviously doing pretty well in this one so far. The difficulty bar on the nation select screen has lowered for me relative to the other natives. XD
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18:50.32TekDroidEverything back to normal now?
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18:54.52MonetHi
18:54.55XhoMah
18:55.08TekDroidYou missed the net split, Xho. XD
18:55.13XhoGood
18:55.19XhoDidn't want to be part of that madnses
18:55.21Xho*madness
18:57.08Wormy_awaytesty
18:57.08Wormy_awayLooks like only you got split lol
18:57.28MonetYeah, only Tek got split
18:59.07TekDroidReally?
18:59.13TekDroidXD
18:59.42Wormy_awayXho:  new Alestorm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55CqLc6IR0
19:01.00Xhodem instruments
19:02.09XhoSo Oluap is being depressed
19:02.17XhoNot got time for that
19:03.10Monet<PROTECTED>
19:03.19XhoPretty much
19:03.33XhoI was talking to him on Steam and all he replies with is "what do you want"
19:03.44XhoI really do not have time for people who talk like that
19:10.40XhoHm I don't know what to do now
19:13.32MonetHmm, for such a poorly-recieved film, there's a lot of fridge brilliance going on in Godzilla 2014, and I've come across a passage that states Toho was not only massively supportive of this incarnation, but Toho execs apaprently teared up with joy over the presentation of him.
19:16.09MonetThe main bomb disposal protagonist, I recall that people were saying he was pretty bland and blank.
19:16.42MonetWell I look at it this way: What kind of bomb/mine disposal and recovery soldier cracks up and freaks out under pressure?
19:17.04XhoNot a very good one
19:17.22MonetExactly.
19:17.50MonetHaving a 100m tall bug tearing down the nearby city blocks is no excuse.
19:19.34MonetSo is this "Reality is unrealistic"?
19:27.49DrodoEmpiretest
19:33.28HachimanXho: He asked me if he could do an Ice Age RP once you were online, I said I was feeling tired since we had just finished D&D quite literally, and he went "fine" and stopped speaking to me even after I gave in and said I would do it depending on what time you came on
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19:35.04dino_bye all
19:35.07dino_am laving again
19:35.09dino_see ya ll next mie
19:35.09dino_bye
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19:46.08Sporeraptorhi
19:46.20DrodoEmpireHey
20:00.49Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10496196_252986534898710_1235421280421183873_o.png
20:01.32DrodoEmpireAverage facebook conversation.
20:02.13MonetI don't think I've seen many things turn south faster than that
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20:18.16MonetHello
20:20.05Hachimanhai
20:28.34Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Maleus okay page is just-about done.
20:28.51MonetQuotes appareciated.
20:33.22Technobliterator[21:00:49] <Hachiman> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10496196_252986534898710_1235421280421183873_o.png
20:33.25TechnobliteratorHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
20:33.35Technobliteratorfalls off her chair laughing
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20:34.30Sporeraptorhi
20:34.41MonetHello
20:35.08CuttlefishHi
20:36.56CuttlefishAnyone talking about interesting stuff today, or is this just a room of awkward silence?
20:37.12TechnobliteratorMonet, the page is good, well written, and the character is interesting (the 'short fuse temper demon' is almost done to death, but this is a very good take on it and probably more original than most), and I don't think I have anyone that can quote on it
20:38.18MonetIts probably been done to death because being infused with demonic energy feels like you're constantly on the verge of overheating.
20:38.32XhoMonet: Quoted
20:38.33Technobliteratoroh yeah, definitly
20:38.49Technobliteratorit's also kind of hard not to go down that route when you're dealing with demons
20:39.12MonetXho: Good ol' Santo
20:39.13Technobliteratorin fact, it is probably impossible to make a character that's really unique from the premise at this point
20:40.14MonetYeah.
20:41.35Xhohttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140626204107/spore/images/5/5a/MechaVultusk.png This is more of a what-if than canon
20:41.41MonetWell in terms of people who could quote him this guy disappeared perhaps arount the 2770s and reappeared in the mid 2790s.
20:42.26XhoAs in, "what if Vultusk had mechanical properties"
20:42.27TechnobliteratorI don't have anyone who can quote at this point, unfortunately, except possibly Da Rogue Boyz who I doubt know him
20:42.37CuttlefishI don't really get that. Being in constant demonic agony makes you evil like "Oh I just got filled with scary death energy, I feel like killing stuff now."
20:43.08MonetCuttlefish: Stress relief maybe?
20:43.17Technobliteratorit makes perfect sense
20:43.29Technobliteratorbeing in constant anything agony leads to insanity
20:43.30CuttlefishNot really
20:43.39CuttlefishInsanity doesn't equal violent
20:43.44MonetTrue
20:43.52XhoOkay so what if I persistently sodomize you with a cactus
20:43.55XhoThat's bound to make you insane
20:44.01Technobliteratordo you want to provide facts and figures to back up that hypothesis?
20:44.11Technobliteratorbecause there is a pretty strong correlation
20:44.23Technobliteratorit does not automatically equal violence, no
20:44.32XhoWell Insane = / = violent but then again Demonic = Violent
20:44.36Technobliteratorbut it increases the chances significant
20:44.40XhoIn wiki terms anyway
20:44.47MonetYeah, demonic energy makes you more aggressive.
20:45.21CuttlefishThat's understandable, I see that allot in fiction. But even major aggression doesn't remove all morality from your brain stuff.
20:45.39TechnobliteratorWhat do you mean by that?
20:45.46XhoWell the only explanation I have is
20:45.51XhoEssence does weird shit to you
20:45.54CuttlefishHow come not a single demon feels guilt?
20:45.55MonetWell at least Maleus is more controlled than some.
20:46.05Technobliteratorwho says they don't feel guilt?
20:46.09XhoI don't hur
20:46.12XhoNone of my demons tend to
20:46.25Technobliteratorthey can feel guilt, but not express it
20:46.37Technobliteratorand they can be driven to a point where they're no longer capable of feeling guilt
20:46.42CuttlefishOr thinks "Why me?". Being in constant pain seems like the kind of thing that awesome powers don't outweigh.
20:46.45XhoIf anything descended people's entire lives is a guilt trip
20:47.09XhoUnless you like the idea of having the Xhodocto/whoever toy with your head
20:47.18MonetCuttlefish: Tyraz
20:47.28CuttlefishYeah great example
20:47.39CuttlefishWe need more characters like him
20:47.54Technobliteratorare you questioning the logical process of someone who, at that point, has no logical process?
20:47.54XhoAnd then Tyraz wouldn't be noticeable
20:48.09Technobliteratoror rather, has very little logical process?
20:48.12CuttlefishOr evil ascended characters. I doubt cosmic forces give a shit about morals.
20:48.28XhoXhodocto - not really
20:48.34TechnobliteratorTyraz reminds me a lot of Jak from Jak II
20:48.48Technobliteratorfull of dark powers and driven mad by them yet still a good guy
20:49.03XhoI'm not going into the entire Xhodocto moral compass thing because it's a long discussion
20:49.17CuttlefishDoes the wikiverse just not have therapists?
20:49.51MonetIt does, but I don't know how therapists would deal with demons
20:49.51XhoWell having a therapist for having your state of body and mind ravaged completely by a malignant essence
20:49.54TechnobliteratorWho says it doesn't?
20:49.55XhoMust be a damn good therapist
20:50.01TechnobliteratorTuolog is practically a therapist
20:50.13Technobliteratorand therapists don't make for interesting characters, most of the time
20:50.26XhoUnless the therapist is sexy
20:50.28XhoI said it
20:50.30MonetTechnobliterator: Frasier proves otherwise
20:50.31XhoYou were all thinking it
20:50.32HachimanKalcedia - yeh
20:50.39TechnobliteratorI wasn't :o
20:50.43XhoYou are now
20:50.49Technobliteratorthat I am
20:50.52Xhoc
20:50.54MonetFrasier and Deanna Troi.
20:51.10CuttlefishI think we need more grey-morality stuff. This endless demon=bad, SSA=good thing, Xhodies wanna kill stuff pisses me off
20:51.13MonetDeanna can examine my head any day ;)
20:51.20TechnobliteratorI said most of the time, not all the time, mind you
20:51.40TechnobliteratorCuttlefish, you're not the first to think that
20:51.42XhoCuttlefish: Look at you getting angry
20:51.46Technobliteratorand I highly doubt you'll be the last
20:51.51CuttlefishI'm not angry
20:52.06Technobliteratorbut it's nitpicky
20:52.26XhoIt's a trope that's been pulled apart many times
20:52.36Technobliteratorgrey morality is overrated, in my opinion
20:52.52Technobliteratorthe coolest bad guy ever created in all of ever, Kefka, is an obvious black and white character
20:52.56MonetTantum has tried showing that aside from an empire-wide case of OCD and a very strict legal system, Life in the DOminino of the Xhodocto is fairly decent
20:53.04XhoFairly decent
20:53.05Angrybirds_droidMorality in general, I think, is overrated.
20:53.09XhoThey get free dental
20:53.22TechnobliteratorI completely agree
20:53.25MonetAlso come on, we've seen clubs in DOminion space.
20:53.34XhoThat and the Dominion is actually very un-demonic
20:53.42MonetAny faction that has decent pubs is not too bad in my books.
20:53.56XhoFor the most part, the 'mortal' and 'demonic' races are segregated
20:54.08Technobliteratorthe BCN had decent pubs
20:54.08Technobliterator:o
20:54.20CuttlefishSo most of them are just regular people who just so happen to worship ancient demon lords.
20:54.35TechnobliteratorWhy not?
20:54.36Monetechnobliterator: I prefer it if my pubs had bar fights only on an occasional basis
20:54.44Technobliteratorthe ancient demon lords are fun
20:54.52MonetCuttlefish: Prettymuch a nail on the head
20:54.55XhoThere's only one named unconventional demon so far in the Dominion and that's Samhinuhrankal
20:55.00XhoNot even that
20:55.05CuttlefishWhat it that an ideom for?
20:55.05XhoMost of the Dominion is secularised
20:55.22Xho'Hit the nail on the head' = 'Exactly'
20:55.28CuttlefishOh
20:56.04Technobliteratores verdad
20:56.10Technobliteratores totalmente verdad
20:56.55XhoBut no there's not much demonic worship in the Dominion
20:57.03MonetDemons are allowed to be less morally deep because they're more mentally abstract than realspace lifeforms.
20:57.06XhoThere's demonic iconography but straight-out worship, well none
20:57.31CuttlefishIt's kinda hard to get what it's like when every label says "classified" or "unknown"
20:57.36XhoThe only worshippers tend to be the captains listed on the page
20:57.55XhoWell, it's not really on my agenda to make the Dominion knowable
20:58.33HachimanI'm wondering if we have any Falmer equivalents
20:58.55XhoI'm beginning to believe now that demons aren't actually supernatural at all
20:59.23XhoIn the sense that they're generally just alien compared to the Gigaquadrant
20:59.41Technobliteratorwas that not always the case? :o
20:59.56XhoNot initially
21:00.02TechnobliteratorI suppose
21:00.10Technobliteratorbut I definitely always saw them that me
21:00.19XhoAnd that Hell and the other universes are just abstract forms of universes
21:00.22Technobliterator*that way
21:00.24CuttlefishThen how does that afterlife junk work?
21:00.34TechnobliteratorCuttlefish, funny you brought that uo
21:00.35Technobliteratorp
21:00.44XhoThat's something that probably shouldn't ever be looked in to
21:00.53Technobliteratorbecause I was going to explain that in my War of the Cleansing Flames (but I don't know it belongs there)
21:01.00TechnobliteratorDo you know much about the 5th Dimension?
21:01.12CuttlefishKinda, but not allot
21:01.29Technobliteratorwell, it's the idea that your 3D form is a projection of what is in 5D space
21:01.53Technobliteratorso the 'afterlife' is just when your 5D projection is no longer needed, but since you cannot destroy it, it needs to go somewhere
21:01.55Technobliteratorthat's what I came up with
21:02.13XhoOkay well it can be explained then
21:02.17XhoThat shut me up
21:02.26Technobliterator:D
21:03.25Technobliteratorit's a shame wormy and ghelae are both away
21:03.29CuttlefishThis kinda feels like that time when those people over at lucasarts decided to ruin everything by explaining the force with microbeings in yer blood.
21:03.36TechnobliteratorI could ask them what they thing about it
21:03.43Technobliteratorhow does that ruin anything?
21:03.46XhoWell it's an old concept from what I recall
21:04.07Technobliteratorif you don't like the explanation, you can just, well, not accept it
21:04.25TechnobliteratorI mean
21:04.25XhoOr accept it and move on
21:04.27Cuttlefishit takes away the wonder and the reader's thinking of "how does that work?"
21:04.31Technobliteratoror that yeah
21:04.42MonetTechnobliterator: Because the whole midichlorians thing basically said "Hey guys guess what, Jedi are special!" when the original trilogy stated the force ran though all living beings
21:04.58Technobliteratorsure, but that was not my point
21:05.04XhoAs a general rant I hate people who complain about things and don't move on to progress on the issue
21:05.05Technobliteratorif you don't like the explanation, you never have to consider it canon
21:05.10XhoWhere are you heading and why are you still doing it
21:05.57TechnobliteratorI would say I kind of agree, but that would be so hypocritcal that I won't
21:07.13MonetMy understanding of afterlives is its all about what a person's psyche construsts after they die. Every conscious mind goes to some place when they die or they dissipate across the universe, but from the point of view of the individual consciousness, they're in what they've taught to be Heaven/enlightenment/Stovakor/Soverngarde/whatever.
21:07.33Monetthought to be*
21:07.50Technobliteratordo you believe in substance dualism, Monet?
21:08.03CuttlefishThat would help explain the whole Drakon paradise thing
21:08.31MonetI nthe case of the Xhodocto...wel something about their power bashes any consiousness that is either killed by or submits to them into Inferno and a reality *they* provide.
21:08.39Technobliteratorbtw Cuttlefish, not to criticise you, but
21:08.45Technobliterator<Cuttlefish> Then how does that afterlife junk work?
21:08.48Technobliterator<Cuttlefish> This kinda feels like that time when those people over at lucasarts decided to ruin everything by explaining the force with microbeings in yer blood.
21:08.53Technobliteratorthis seems conflicting to me
21:09.04MonetCuttlefish: Yeah I've always kept ambiguous as to whether or not the Garden of Drakon actually exists.
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21:11.28CuttlefishI don;t know. I think whether or not this stuff should be explained with sciency stuff or left to the reader's imagination is up to whoever is writing. This universe has never had one all powerful canon.
21:11.40TechnobliteratorMy explanation was not sciency
21:11.43Technobliteratorit was philosophical
21:11.51MonetYou were talking about 3D and 5D holograms
21:11.53TechnobliteratorI'm no scientist by any means, but philosophy fascinates me
21:12.03Technobliteratorand? I was talking about the philosophy of the mind
21:12.14Technobliterator5D and 3D is just stuff I threw in there
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21:12.40Technobliteratorit's also not one anyone should accept as canon if they don't want to anyway
21:12.42Technobliteratorit's a theory
21:12.44CuttlefishThose two fields overlap allot when talking about minds and stuff.
21:12.50Technobliteratorindeed
21:13.18Technobliteratoras does psychology
21:13.25Technobliterator...which in itself is kind of a science
21:14.23CuttlefishSome users have diamond hard science fiction, and some like to make Taldar in the form of Kanye West.
21:15.06Technobliteratorshrugs
21:15.10TechnobliteratorI got rid of that anyway
21:15.29Technobliteratorthe most unrealistic aspect of my fiction is the Loron
21:15.41MonetI get the feeling "Kanye West is a baby 5D godbeing" was back before you realised what an obnoxious retard the guy was.
21:15.53CuttlefishIt will never be forgotten jo
21:16.05MonetHah
21:16.23XhoKanye West *thinks* he's a 5D godbeing
21:16.34XhoAnnoying since he's actually a talented individual
21:17.03TechnobliteratorI already knew he was obnoxious
21:17.11TechnobliteratorI did not know he was as obnoxious as he is
21:17.17CuttlefishEveryone's done weird stuff. Remember Wormy's story about the celestial popcorn?
21:17.27XhoSay what you will, but 21 Grammy Awards seems pretty good to me
21:17.29XhoWait hold on
21:17.33Technobliteratoryeah
21:17.33Xho21 Grammy Awards
21:17.38XhoIs Kanye like a Xhodocto or something
21:17.45TechnobliteratorKanye West is an amazingly talented guy, but he's a giant prick
21:17.52CuttlefishI don't respect west after what he did to taylor swift
21:17.56TechnobliteratorLOL
21:18.09Technobliteratorsorry but I can think of much worse things he did than that
21:18.15MonetA lot of PhD scientist happen to hve a habit of developing obnoxious egos.
21:18.21MonetLook at Richard Dawkins
21:18.33CuttlefishEven Obama called him a jackass. He actually said the word jackass
21:19.03MonetBascally being a genius *can* make you an arrogent prick.
21:21.12CuttlefishWhat other weird stuff have we written? What happened to that ambiguous canon SCP parody?
21:21.40MonetIt was more noncanon/semicanon
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21:21.44XhoPareidolia
21:21.48XhoOh yeah I remember that
21:21.53MonetUnless Koluap found some way to earn a doctrate.
21:21.57XhoI pretty much forgot it existed
21:22.02Patriot868hello
21:22.15Cuttlefishhello
21:22.40Patriot868Sorry bout being away, vacation and work.
21:22.48CuttlefishI'm still not sure how Koluap has not been fired. He is clearly too mentally unstable to be qualified for battle.
21:23.03XhoKoluap has retired
21:23.49MonetCuttlefish: Well he was confined to a mental hospital after he developed brain damage and thus insanity
21:24.04MonetBut that was centuries ago
21:24.23Xhohttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10405398_629718430458226_7689066583926229106_n.jpg AW SHIT
21:24.37CuttlefishI have similar feelings over the mental quality of the Kicath agents
21:24.45XhoKicath are Kicath
21:24.50XhoThey're Kicath
21:25.07CuttlefishAt the insanity is played realistically instead of jokey
21:25.23MonetCuttlefish: I made a blog a while ago about this trend of insanity = good soldiers
21:25.32MonetAmong other things
21:26.15CuttlefishYou did? Hang on I'll go find that.
21:26.34TechnobliteratorUSO are too evil to not do that
21:27.27CuttlefishIs it the Few Concerns blog or the Modern Society Reflections one
21:27.36MonetMore often insanity = unpredictability because one of the key definitions of insanity is a reduced capacity for rational decision-making.
21:27.44MonetCuttlefish: Few Concerns
21:27.59MonetCapacity or tendency
21:28.23MonetIts hard to define exactly because psychology
21:28.44MonetThere was once a time where homosexuality was defined as a form of insanity
21:29.03CuttlefishAnd left-handedness
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21:29.37DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
21:30.02CuttlefishEveryone was all "Lefties are the Devil's minions!"
21:30.05Patriot868hi
21:31.05MonetXho: One thing that maxe me curious. Maleus was perfectly mortal when he was executed, his body was cremated and he spent who-knows-how-long-in-hell. Which makes me wonder as to what this means for that current bod of his.
21:31.22Monetbody*
21:32.19MonetI've indicated its a combination of a reflection of his now-warped mind and...well I'm not entirely sure if he took over some poor sap's body or if he somehow assembled it from corpses or demonic energy.
21:33.23MonetOh
21:33.56CuttlefishMaybe he woke as a moving ash pile that defiled nearby graves and took body parts. That's a good solution in my opinion.
21:34.24CuttlefishAnd considering how draconis view the desecration of graves
21:35.05CuttlefishMajor emotional baggage all around
21:35.37MonetYeah I am having the toughts he could be semi-corporeal or something
21:36.31CuttlefishThat would definitely justify the hate of the universe they can barely touch.
21:36.54CuttlefishJust imagine being envious of something everyone has.
21:37.01HachimanI like to imagine that the defined 'soul' of a person takes on a visage that's a combination of how others saw them and how they saw themselves
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21:38.00CuttlefishIn life did they follow the Drakon Path thing or where they religiously confused?
21:38.17MonetWho Maleus?
21:38.21Cuttlefishyus
21:39.06MonetFor the most part, he follweod Drakon. After his mentor died he consulted both therapists and holy texts to come to terms with his loss.
21:39.59Cuttlefishhe reacted to the lack of  paradise badly or?
21:41.15Cuttlefishyou added an o in front of the word "adolescence"
21:41.18MonetAt first his defection was out of some kind of pragmatism. He amd other survivors of a fleet attack against the Congregation were taken prisoner to be sacrificed, hebegged to not be sacrificed and in exchange he'd convert
21:42.33MonetAt first he wasn't sure about the Congregation's beliefs but after a couple of years he kinda got swept up in the dogma.
21:42.53Cuttlefishbrainwashed AND crazy
21:43.26MonetWhen he lost his mentor what did the Imperium do? They gave him a year's leave and sent him to a therapist to work out his PTSD
21:43.42MonetReasonable yes but it took him years to finally get over his mentor's death.
21:44.14CuttlefishI like this character.
21:45.01CuttlefishAre they gonna seen in the shattering?
21:45.07MonetSo he could have been influenced by memories that the Imperial military took an impartial approach to bringing him to terms with his loss.
21:45.38MonetThe mentor in question he'd known and served under since he became a junior officer.
21:46.30MonetYeah I'm wondering how to use him. For one he was given a Doomstone. Not exactly a dude you could easily stand in the way of.
21:46.49CuttlefishImperios isn't here and I haven't been in the the grand scheme. I havn't seen any changes in the  Andromeda side of the gigaquadrantic conflicts.
21:47.42CuttlefishStill just edoshai thinks he's lsing his mind, Iovera agress, uriel thinks he's on to something, everybody's confused
21:47.47MonetWell, since you and I did that RP Uriel's talked ot other people about what Edo said to him, he talked to Io and currently he's in Cyrannus.
21:48.16Patriot868Ya, has anything happend in Andromeda, fiction wise?
21:49.01MonetPatriot868: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Shattering this
21:49.05CuttlefishI'm working on what going on on Shellis. The prime minister and h im are getting further away from eachother and house bruni has practically taken over Igriga and the bunsen shellious
21:49.23Patriot868I meant with regards to the gigaqudrant conflicts
21:49.47CuttlefishI think we should finish that before moving on to the shattering
21:49.57CuttlefishYour choice but history is moving too fast
21:50.14Cuttlefishit's been like 76 years since the tigris war
21:50.16MonetIt was agreed that the shattering and the gig conflicts would coincide with each other
21:50.30Patriot868ok
21:50.50Patriot868just tell me if you guys need extra people for that, Im alwasy up for it
21:50.50MonetThing is Shattering's been postponed for months already
21:51.17MonetIt was supposed to have begun before the gig conflicts but Imperios was very busy with his exams and with revision
21:51.54CuttlefishI don't even know what's going on there. Imp's been too busy to fill me in.
21:52.35MonetI summaried the general idea at the top
21:53.10CuttlefishI'll go read it. Oh and I need to do stuff, be back soon.
21:56.33Patriot868Been working on a empire lately
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22:02.24Wormy_awaylol
22:02.43Monet"dominion Post"
22:02.49MonetChief editor: Santo
22:02.58WormyI saw an epic Russian move in World Cup today
22:03.38WormyBasically this Russian was running so fast he couldn't stop before running into the rserves, so he leaped in the air and grabbed hold of a rail above
22:03.53Wormyand swung round
22:04.25Patriot868I'm so bummed about the game between the US and portugal. Choked in the last 30 seconds
22:05.11WormyYeah, I was flicking between Russia vs. Algeria, and South Korea vs. Belgium, both teams I wanted to win lost
22:05.23Wormyformer for both
22:05.33Technobliteratorurgh
22:05.36Technobliteratorvisual editor
22:05.38Technobliteratorpisses me off
22:06.12Wormyyeah I dislike it immensely  since it doesn't cater ti how I edit and doesn't teach new users how to edit more quickly
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22:07.05Technobliteratorit's heavily bugged
22:07.13Technobliteratorjust editing it ruins the formats of several pages
22:07.24Cuttlefish_awayWhat the fluggerflug happened to the infoboxes
22:07.58WormyWhich ones, I was just on an empire page and it looked normal
22:08.19Cuttlefish_awayReligeon and wars
22:08.25Technobliteratorlink
22:08.39Cuttlefish_awayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ADraconid_Imperium/Religion
22:09.21Cuttlefish_awayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kicath_Empire/Religion heres another one
22:10.07Cuttlefish_awayYer the smart html wizard, whats happening
22:10.15Wormyhm
22:11.08Technobliteratorit's kind of obvious
22:11.10TechnobliteratorI am on it
22:11.12WormyIt was last edited in 2011.  Are they old infoboxes by any chance or has the link changed?
22:12.01TechnobliteratorWormy, the syntax it is using is from our old infobox template
22:12.09WormyThought so
22:12.10Technobliteratorwhich was updated to the new one
22:12.24Wormymust have been left out
22:12.56Cuttlefish_awayany other broken templates left unfixed?
22:13.13Wormyworth scouting for
22:13.29Wormyif you want
22:13.41Technobliteratorwhy they are not included in the category is beyond me
22:15.42Wormytime to play games
22:16.10WormyHm...  Mass Effect, Star Trek Online, or Watch_Dogs?  What a predicament.
22:16.23Cuttlefish_awayIt's a steam sale. Now is the time to hoard games not play them
22:16.36WormyI've already spent £20
22:17.05WormyI might get Secret World if it drops anymore
22:17.29Cuttlefish_awayEveryone in my family is obsessing over goat simulator
22:17.47WormyKerbal Space Program
22:18.06Cuttlefish_awayI think Monet got that one
22:18.11WormyHm, looks great but I'd like it to drop a bit more than 40%
22:18.14TechnobliteratorI really fucking hate our template documents
22:18.25Wormyprobably will have to wait a few more sales
22:18.28Technobliteratorbut I can't fix them alone
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22:18.35OfficerJackalHello!
22:19.07Cuttlefish_awaySorry you're frustrated. Anyone else have wiki magic?
22:19.48WormyWell, after Jo and Ose, its me I guess.  Though I know less about the semantics
22:19.52MonetWormy: KSP is good value for money. Definitely.
22:20.03Technobliteratorthat's active? probably Wormy and Ghelae are the best, but they aren't familiar with the specific things I tend to work with
22:20.43Technobliteratorwell, they are both good at getting their head around stuff, but Wormy is more experienced
22:21.08WormyGhelae can mass produce a workload on an in-organic scale
22:21.21Technobliteratoryup
22:21.28Cuttlefish_awayThey're aren't many fic religions. We could always start from scratch with a more up to date infobox model.
22:21.32Technobliteratorbut he pays so much more attention to detail
22:21.41TechnobliteratorCuttlefish_away, the problem is nothing to do with this particular infobox
22:21.59Technobliteratorit's every template on the wiki that I'm unsatisfied with the documenting and how inconsistent it is
22:22.08Technobliteratorproblem is I dislike it but do nothing about it so I'm not helping anyone
22:22.37Cuttlefish_awayThat sounds really stressful
22:22.38WormyIf you like, I can help you out with it.  I've got an empty weekend
22:22.51Technobliteratorthat would be really sweet
22:23.05Technobliteratorwe can blitz the entire namespace :D
22:23.43WormyCool.  Is the weekend good?  Tomorrow I've gor RL stuff to do
22:23.50Wormy*got.
22:23.55Technobliteratoroh yeah, definitely
22:24.20TechnobliteratorI have no real college work after my exams are done
22:24.20WormyGhelae might be on too
22:24.25Technobliteratoryeah
22:24.37WormyI've finished y year now
22:24.38Technobliteratorwe can blitz it together yaaaaaay
22:24.44Cuttlefish_awaygreat everyone's all jolly (:
22:24.46Wormyindeed
22:24.54Technobliterator^.^
22:25.18WormyYou've not seen much of me lately because of all that end of year work
22:25.50WormyI was up until 3 or 4 in the morning some nights
22:26.01Technobliteratormhm, I understand
22:26.04Cuttlefish_awayEveryone's had those dreadful exam weeks. We get it.
22:26.04Technobliteratorhow do you feel about it?
22:27.05WormyWorried.  Since my lecturers have got the sack, so have had little time to comment on my work or tutor me.  One of them is hospitalised also
22:27.18WormyI don't even know whats happening next year
22:27.45Wormyor how good my projects are
22:27.52Technobliteratoroh, I'm sorry to hear that
22:28.42Cuttlefish_awayI'm sure you'll do fine. You're a smart guy.
22:28.45WormyI've read the briefs well, sent everything in
22:29.02Wormyso I am sure I'll pass
22:29.06Technobliteratormy time's up, I'll be off
22:29.07Technobliteratorbye!
22:29.10Wormybye
22:29.13Cuttlefish_awaybye
22:29.21Wormythanks anyway
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23:04.12Hachimanhai u
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