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| 00:03.09 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
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| 00:06.50 | The_Randomness | Hey |
| 00:06.53 | GD12 | Hello |
| 00:07.20 | GD12 | Just watched xmen |
| 00:07.48 | Monet | Sweet |
| 00:07.50 | TekDroid | gtg. bbl. |
| 00:07.53 | Monet | Like it? |
| 00:07.59 | GD12 | yeah twas good |
| 00:08.04 | GD12 | though continuity is fucked up |
| 00:08.19 | GD12 | since because of time travel theres now a large point of divergence |
| 00:08.24 | GD12 | meaning marvel gets to spam more films |
| 00:08.29 | GD12 | i mean |
| 00:08.33 | The_Randomness | eep time travel |
| 00:08.36 | GD12 | the old trilogy is basically noncanon now |
| 00:08.39 | The_Randomness | Time travel always screws things up |
| 00:09.30 | Monet | It was a clever trick that they di though |
| 00:09.45 | GD12 | yeah |
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| 00:10.50 | Patriot868 | Hello gentlemen |
| 00:11.20 | Monet | GD12: At first I wasn't sure about casting giving Trask dwarfism |
| 00:11.31 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 00:11.33 | GD12 | Hello |
| 00:11.37 | GD12 | But Peter Dinklage |
| 00:11.56 | Monet | He is cool. ANd considering what he was talking about, it does make sense somewhat |
| 00:12.09 | Monet | in a "politician with screwed opinions" kinda wayt |
| 00:12.17 | Patriot868 | So, I finally got around to updating and cleaning up the Hegemony naval page, it only took me half a year |
| 00:12.56 | GD12 | Aye I saw |
| 00:13.04 | GD12 | Probably doesn't make sense to copy the doctirne of a losing empire |
| 00:13.14 | Patriot868 | Ya |
| 00:13.35 | Patriot868 | Especially considering heg isnt even close to the tech level of the dominatus |
| 00:13.41 | GD12 | Also I found out there is a large warhammer store in my new college town |
| 00:13.45 | Patriot868 | Hurray for downtime to make retcons more plausible! |
| 00:13.46 | GD12 | aye |
| 00:13.48 | Patriot868 | Cool |
| 00:13.54 | GD12 | all da happiness |
| 00:13.55 | Patriot868 | Don't purchase a tau manta |
| 00:14.00 | Patriot868 | Friking over priced |
| 00:14.14 | GD12 | I think i'll go watch Godzilla tommorow |
| 00:14.18 | Monet | GD12: I keep forgetting are you studyingi in England? |
| 00:14.39 | The_Randomness | I think he's in 'murica just like me |
| 00:14.43 | GD12 | no i'm not |
| 00:14.49 | Monet | Ah |
| 00:14.57 | Patriot868 | Godzilla was so hype. I went opening night, everyone started cheering at certain scenes I wont spoil |
| 00:15.10 | GD12 | I'm studying in one of the top American engineering universities next year, though I'm contemplating going to Britain for graduate school if things end up well |
| 00:15.17 | Hachiman | Patriot868: Except everything GW sells is over-priced |
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| 00:15.21 | LawfulInsane | Hello. |
| 00:15.28 | Monet | Every decent--sized toiwn in the UK has a local Games Workshop. |
| 00:15.29 | Patriot868 | Too right Hachi |
| 00:15.40 | GD12 | thats nice |
| 00:16.00 | Patriot868 | But the manta is just an extreme example. Could buy a used car for that amount of cash |
| 00:16.13 | GD12 | Then I just found out that they're on 7th edition now |
| 00:16.31 | GD12 | I haven't really touched it since 6th edition tbh because i kind of forgot about it |
| 00:17.17 | Patriot868 | If I had more money and friends who were interested, I would play the warhammer |
| 00:17.35 | Patriot868 | But, I don't really have painting skills, nor the time |
| 00:17.42 | Monet | I have a small IG army stashed away |
| 00:18.00 | Monet | And my own beakie legion. |
| 00:18.06 | Patriot868 | Guardsmen are cool |
| 00:18.08 | Monet | chapter, sorry |
| 00:18.13 | Hachiman | tfw you play humans and not Orkz |
| 00:18.15 | Patriot868 | Armor all day every day |
| 00:18.24 | The_Randomness | tfw? |
| 00:18.32 | Hachiman | "That Feel When" |
| 00:18.34 | Patriot868 | the face when |
| 00:18.37 | Patriot868 | oh |
| 00:18.41 | Hachiman | Or that hur |
| 00:18.48 | The_Randomness | eek ambiguity |
| 00:18.59 | Monet | "Who told you to die? keep fighting!" >> Love this saying |
| 00:19.28 | GD12 | i liked that saying too hur |
| 00:19.33 | Patriot868 | I just love how over the top things are in 40k |
| 00:19.55 | The_Randomness | Large Ham is best ham |
| 00:19.56 | Hachiman | 40k's become a shitbasket recently |
| 00:20.18 | Hachiman | Tyranids are fucking useless now, Tau are tabletop master race |
| 00:20.30 | Patriot868 | "For the Greater Good" |
| 00:20.34 | Patriot868 | Space commies! |
| 00:20.35 | Hachiman | And the Imperium is a joke, and Eldar and Ork codexes are outdated |
| 00:20.35 | Monet | 40K: Fuck sensebility, here's humanoid fungus with a handheld LMG on a giant motorbike. |
| 00:20.55 | Hachiman | Or rather, Space Marines are a joke |
| 00:21.01 | Patriot868 | Gotta hard counter with that IG armor |
| 00:21.07 | Patriot868 | Get in close with terminators |
| 00:21.14 | Patriot868 | Tau are rubbish at melee |
| 00:21.23 | Hachiman | Tau are rubbish at melee, good at everything else |
| 00:21.25 | GD12 | The most recently updated codex is generally the most powerful |
| 00:21.51 | Monet | Tau are only rubbissh at melee if you survive trying to get that close |
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| 00:22.19 | Patriot868 | Thats why you have to use terminators to get in close, or be a tacitical genu- CREEEEEEEEEEEDDDD!!!!! |
| 00:22.19 | Hachiman | And even then that doesn't stop a Tau from clonking you over the head with its Plasma Rifle :p |
| 00:22.22 | Angrybirds | Working on this for fun, I'm missing a lot of nations: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Clanden/Sandbox#Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order |
| 00:22.24 | Monet | So in other words Tau suck against Orks |
| 00:22.48 | Hachiman | Monet: Not really, I've seen Tau turn Orks into mush before they could get close |
| 00:23.28 | DrodoEmpire | AB: I saw. :D |
| 00:23.33 | DrodoEmpire | Very nice |
| 00:23.45 | Patriot868 | Cool |
| 00:24.07 | Patriot868 | Also, since whne has heavy casulties ever stopped orks or the Imperial Guard before? |
| 00:24.12 | Monet | Angrybirds: The fictionverse has a lot of nations so its okay. |
| 00:24.17 | GD12 | aye |
| 00:24.19 | Angrybirds | What nations am I missing? I can't whole the whole Gigaquadrant in my head. xD |
| 00:24.22 | Patriot868 | Fluff wise at least |
| 00:24.25 | GD12 | All of Borealis? |
| 00:24.29 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:24.36 | Monet | Angrybirds: European Star Republic |
| 00:24.46 | Angrybirds | I know next to nothing about Borealis, so you're going to have to help me with that. |
| 00:24.51 | Angrybirds | Monet: ESR is defunct. |
| 00:24.53 | GD12 | I'd put both Junction and USO under Hyperpower |
| 00:24.54 | The_Randomness | needs to get back into the SWVerse |
| 00:25.11 | Monet | I've been out of touch then |
| 00:25.17 | DrodoEmpire | I should probably found more Drodo colonies. :P |
| 00:25.24 | Tybusen | Is Ottzello a hyperpower or is it more of a superpower? |
| 00:25.35 | Hachiman | I'd say superpower by this point |
| 00:25.40 | Monet | GD12: Idunno about making USO a hyperpower, they don't have many connections |
| 00:25.46 | GD12 | ahh good point |
| 00:25.47 | Angrybirds | If I recall correctly, I'd think Ottzello would fit into superpower rather than hyperpower. |
| 00:25.56 | Patriot868 | Drodo: Good job with the blizkrieg, it was a fun read |
| 00:26.01 | Monet | Yeah, USO's more of a superpower waving around a giant dick. |
| 00:26.04 | DrodoEmpire | Thanks. XD |
| 00:26.16 | The_Randomness | USO? |
| 00:26.25 | GD12 | yeah so USO superpower, Junction hyperpower |
| 00:26.32 | The_Randomness | has been completely out of touch with the SWverse |
| 00:26.51 | Monet | The_Randomness: A reformed UNO |
| 00:26.55 | The_Randomness | o |
| 00:26.59 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah; To be a hyperpower they would have to have connections with, and the ability to exert power, be it economic, military, or political, over much of the known universe. |
| 00:27.17 | DrodoEmpire | The USO at this point has really just said empty threats on the UDB. |
| 00:27.24 | GD12 | Ahh i see |
| 00:27.29 | The_Randomness | Well, that's the entire point of the UDB |
| 00:27.34 | GD12 | So they're more paper tiger than actual tiger |
| 00:27.40 | Tybusen | Well USO has been exerting some military power in Borealis but they're not doing much beyond that |
| 00:27.56 | GD12 | yeah |
| 00:27.59 | Tybusen | Cardboard tiger might be more accurate |
| 00:28.04 | GD12 | not much in the way of extragalactic power projection |
| 00:28.06 | TekDroid | If you can't exert heavy dominance over at least a galaxy you're not a hyperpower. |
| 00:28.12 | Monet | Tybusen: Problem is they're going "fite me fagit" to anyone they come across. |
| 00:28.21 | The_Randomness | hue |
| 00:28.29 | GD12 | hur |
| 00:28.36 | Monet | This includes the Cyrannian Empire and the DCP. |
| 00:28.44 | The_Randomness | mfw |
| 00:28.48 | Angrybirds | I'd describe a Galactic power as a nation with that capability. |
| 00:28.55 | Tybusen | They have economic potential to be a hyperpower but their politics are a disaster and they'll never be able to use that economic potential to its full extent without connections |
| 00:29.17 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:29.25 | GD12 | aye true |
| 00:29.36 | Angrybirds | Added USO. Who else? |
| 00:29.49 | GD12 | Dominion of Xhodocto? |
| 00:29.55 | The_Randomness | Salsetthe Republic since I'm going to be making my way back into the SWverse again |
| 00:30.02 | GD12 | actually |
| 00:30.12 | GD12 | Dominion of Xhodocto being a Xho fic is probably another tier of power |
| 00:30.15 | GD12 | Ultrapower perhaps |
| 00:30.23 | The_Randomness | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.29 | GD12 | yeah |
| 00:30.31 | GD12 | Overpower |
| 00:30.31 | Angrybirds | I'd rather keep them off of the political scale for that reason. xD |
| 00:30.35 | Monet | Kicath Remnant? |
| 00:30.36 | DrodoEmpire | *-ed |
| 00:30.38 | DrodoEmpire | >:3 |
| 00:30.52 | GD12 | (:|:) |
| 00:30.56 | GD12 | thats a conjoined twin smiling |
| 00:31.01 | GD12 | conjoined at the head that is |
| 00:31.06 | The_Randomness | I know, just wanted to go along with the naming convention :p |
| 00:31.24 | Tybusen | The Dominion isn't so much a political power as it is a bunch of gods kneeling down to play chess with mortals |
| 00:31.30 | Monet | GD12: I'm watching telly right now and your smiley looked like the three-bun burger they're showing right now |
| 00:31.40 | GD12 | hur |
| 00:31.44 | The_Randomness | lel |
| 00:31.54 | Angrybirds | Monet: How would you classify the Kicath? |
| 00:32.05 | Monet | Plot twist: Tantum is just a really convoluted game of Pokemon |
| 00:33.16 | GD12 | hmm |
| 00:33.20 | GD12 | Remnant or Empire? |
| 00:33.25 | Angrybirds | Is the Junction really that powerful as to deserve hyperpower status? |
| 00:33.28 | GD12 | Aye |
| 00:33.39 | GD12 | well |
| 00:33.44 | GD12 | tier 1 extrauniversal |
| 00:33.59 | TekDroid | Yeah, extrauniversal IIRC. |
| 00:34.07 | Monet | Angrybirds: Hmm. Remnant is Galactic/Superpower perhaps. They have enough resources ot be post-scarcity and seem to be the most effective security force. They're also the most advanced faction of the Polar Crystal Alliance aside from the Kormacvar Legacy. |
| 00:34.26 | GD12 | I'd say superpower because of Kithworto |
| 00:34.44 | Angrybirds | I'll put them in the lower rungs of Superpower. |
| 00:35.57 | GD12 | I don't think we should get specific enough as to the ordering within each group |
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| 00:36.10 | Angrybirds | Where does the Intergalactic Human Republic go? |
| 00:36.14 | GD12 | Since that directly invites the question as to which fiction is more powerful than whichever |
| 00:36.16 | GD12 | superpower perhaps? |
| 00:36.19 | Angrybirds | Yeah, it's pretty haphazardly worded. |
| 00:36.31 | Angrybirds | Haphazardly ordered* |
| 00:36.44 | Angrybirds | Eeehh, if the IHR goes into Superpower, I feel France should too. |
| 00:36.54 | GD12 | Right |
| 00:36.59 | GD12 | perhaps we should create a criterion |
| 00:37.02 | GD12 | *criteria |
| 00:37.15 | GD12 | based on power projection |
| 00:37.20 | Monet | Criteria would be good, yeah |
| 00:37.29 | GD12 | since thats pretty much determined by economic technological and military power |
| 00:37.38 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:37.41 | GD12 | also so it doesn't become a "my fiction is more op than yours" dick wagging contest |
| 00:38.00 | Angrybirds | Hyperpower would be projection over the entire Gigaquadrant, which goes without saying. |
| 00:38.02 | GD12 | Regional Powers can project significant power in their sector and have dominion over their own subsectors |
| 00:38.03 | The_Randomness | I've never seen that happened before. |
| 00:38.18 | The_Randomness | grr, sneaky -ed snuck in there |
| 00:38.31 | GD12 | Galactic Powers have significant power in their galaxy and have dominion over their own sectors |
| 00:38.47 | Monet | I remember seeing Mush make a blog of the 10 wealthiest people in the universe. The top three were his for some "odd" reason. |
| 00:38.50 | GD12 | Superpowes have significan power in 2 galaxies or so and have large amoutns of territory in their galaxy |
| 00:39.05 | GD12 | Hyperpowers have significant power in the gigaquadrant and large amounts of territory in multiple galaxies |
| 00:39.40 | Tybusen | For superpowers, perhaps it's not necessarily 2 galaxies but influence equatable to that much |
| 00:39.45 | GD12 | yeah |
| 00:39.58 | Monet | ]I do wonder if the Imperium can be considered on the verge of hyperpower status. |
| 00:40.11 | Angrybirds | Seems like the you're making the entrance to Superpower a bit too difficult (a lot of the nations on there don't meet those requirements), and the entrance to Hyperpower too easy. |
| 00:40.24 | Tybusen | The Draconis are borderline Hyperpower |
| 00:40.27 | Monet | The AGC's tech-sharing policy blurs the tech levels between the highlord nations |
| 00:40.32 | GD12 | Right |
| 00:40.41 | GD12 | how about if we make this official we include sentence descriptions of each nation |
| 00:41.03 | GD12 | so that we can help make more clear judgement on how super they are or so |
| 00:41.20 | Monet | GD12: Explaining the key factors that granted them that status? Could work |
| 00:41.23 | Angrybirds | I'm not writing all of that. xD |
| 00:41.26 | GD12 | aye |
| 00:41.31 | GD12 | The writer of each fiction could do that |
| 00:42.01 | Angrybirds | Though France has significant influence in the Quadrants and the Milky Way, with some influence in Andromeda and a minor presence in Bunsen. |
| 00:42.06 | Monet | Perhaps writer of exh fiction + judgement of other users? |
| 00:42.16 | GD12 | I think it would be writer of each fiction |
| 00:42.20 | Monet | SInce not everyone has a degree in economics |
| 00:42.23 | GD12 | Then if others judge it to heinous or invalid they can speak up |
| 00:42.55 | Monet | GD12: I was more suggesting in case of users who may not have much clue as t owhat makes their nation that status |
| 00:43.01 | GD12 | ahh i see |
| 00:43.06 | GD12 | yeah that makes sense |
| 00:43.13 | Angrybirds | Given that, can I classify France as a nascent superpower? |
| 00:43.19 | GD12 | aye |
| 00:43.25 | GD12 | put it under superpower category |
| 00:43.31 | GD12 | but explain that its nascent in its description |
| 00:43.50 | Monet | Plus collaboration appears to decrease the risk of one-upmanship |
| 00:44.11 | GD12 | Yeah |
| 00:44.39 | GD12 | It also might be helpful for new users since they can see the fictions at each power level and thus what to emulate given their power level |
| 00:44.42 | GD12 | among other things |
| 00:45.12 | GD12 | I also think it would be interesting if this was an IC thing made by a character as a sort of census in the year 2800 |
| 00:45.47 | GD12 | Just for the sake of flavor |
| 00:46.13 | Patriot868 | ya, would be cool |
| 00:46.34 | GD12 | Would you guys be alright with me making a draft page for this? |
| 00:46.45 | GD12 | And i'll import Angry's list |
| 00:46.55 | Angrybirds | AAAAH |
| 00:46.56 | Angrybirds | GD |
| 00:46.59 | Angrybirds | That was my idea |
| 00:47.01 | Angrybirds | Go awa |
| 00:47.04 | Angrybirds | xD |
| 00:47.04 | GD12 | hur |
| 00:47.21 | Angrybirds | That's why the pompous title. |
| 00:48.35 | Angrybirds | "Having economic and political influence in the Milky Way, the Quadrants, and Andromeda, France is a nascent superpower which possesses favorable diplomatic ties with some of the Gigaquadrant's larger powers." |
| 00:48.41 | Angrybirds | Anyone can edit the list, btw. |
| 00:48.46 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:The_Clanden/Sandbox#Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order |
| 00:50.32 | GD12 | Right well i made it into a formal page hur http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order |
| 00:53.04 | Patriot868 | Ill be back in a bit gents |
| 00:55.08 | Liquid_Ink | I think many in the "Regional Powers" section should be demoted to "Middle Power" |
| 00:55.24 | The_Randomness | y |
| 00:55.31 | TekDroid | Middle power? |
| 00:56.13 | Liquid_Ink | Less than a regional power. |
| 00:56.19 | GD12 | Then what would a low power be? |
| 00:56.54 | OfficerJackal | Something that has like, no power at all due to low tech-level, horrid economy and military, poor political expertise, or just way, way too small to make any meaningful difference. |
| 00:57.00 | Hachiman | Micropower |
| 00:58.05 | GD12 | ahh |
| 00:58.09 | GD12 | well according to wiki its like this |
| 00:58.11 | GD12 | Emerging Small Middle Regional Great Super potential Hyper |
| 00:58.19 | GD12 | potential is a subset of super btw |
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| 00:59.08 | OluapPlayer | Dums |
| 00:59.09 | The_Randomness | boop |
| 00:59.18 | DrodoEmpire | I should probably found new colonies with the Drodo; Perhaps some in Andromeda and Cyrannus |
| 00:59.20 | GD12 | hey |
| 00:59.30 | TekDroid | well it is a list of "prominent" empires, anything below regional kinda typically falls below that criteria. |
| 00:59.42 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 00:59.43 | GD12 | yeah probably |
| 00:59.48 | OluapPlayer | I got access to my dad's PC |
| 00:59.51 | OluapPlayer | Happy times |
| 01:00.02 | GD12 | Angrybirds : dickbutt sovereignity is ultrapower |
| 01:00.26 | Angrybirds | ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 01:00.39 | TekDroid | My fiction probably is at the lower end of Regional power. |
| 01:00.45 | Angrybirds | FOR THE GLORIOUS DICKBUTT |
| 01:00.47 | DrodoEmpire | If they're below regional level then they really can't exert any meanful force onto there close neighbours, let alone anything approaching Gigaquadrantic |
| 01:00.48 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:00.55 | OfficerJackal | fucks up the E-democracy system, and put's in 1337 number of votes for the Dicbutt Soverignity becoming an Ultrapower |
| 01:01.18 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order wat is this |
| 01:01.19 | OfficerJackal | Top dickbutt. |
| 01:01.41 | DrodoEmpire | Its a order of fictions, divided into subgroups based on political influence |
| 01:01.53 | OfficerJackal | Yeah. :D |
| 01:01.55 | DrodoEmpire | AB made it, and we where talking about it |
| 01:02.03 | TekDroid | Make a note that each tier is not ordered. |
| 01:02.11 | GD12 | yeah ill do that |
| 01:02.12 | TekDroid | For tge sake of arguments |
| 01:02.12 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 01:02.40 | OluapPlayer | Is this for everyone to add their empires? |
| 01:02.48 | DrodoEmpire | Yes. |
| 01:02.52 | TekDroid | Yep. |
| 01:03.02 | GD12 | Yeah |
| 01:03.14 | The_Randomness | We must add the glorious Dickbutt Sovereignty to that list |
| 01:03.16 | Angrybirds | Preferably with an argument as to why they deserve the status they have. |
| 01:03.28 | The_Randomness | just for lels |
| 01:03.54 | TekDroid | I think we were also looking for users to help fill in the missing Borealis nations. |
| 01:04.12 | GD12 | We added USO and Junction |
| 01:04.53 | OluapPlayer | If you have to argument then I'll probably not add anything |
| 01:05.31 | DrodoEmpire | Not as in, debate people about it; Just several reasons why they deserve the status. :P |
| 01:05.36 | Monet | What AB means is a short statement explainging its status] |
| 01:05.38 | DrodoEmpire | *as to why |
| 01:05.45 | Angrybirds | A short one, like this: "Having economic and political influence in the Milky Way, the Quadrants, and Andromeda, France is a nascent superpower which possesses favorable diplomatic ties with some of the Gigaquadrant's larger powers." |
| 01:06.18 | OluapPlayer | Okay |
| 01:06.22 | OluapPlayer | Oh |
| 01:06.24 | DrodoEmpire | Reasons for power could be a strong economy, sheer size, military prowess, colonies, etc |
| 01:06.29 | OluapPlayer | I'll add my own factions in that case |
| 01:06.49 | OluapPlayer | But in that case then everyone except France is doing it wrong |
| 01:06.55 | OluapPlayer | Since they're the only one with a reason |
| 01:07.05 | DrodoEmpire | I'll add mine later. XD |
| 01:07.15 | OluapPlayer | french 2stronk |
| 01:07.31 | Hachiman | honhonhon |
| 01:07.32 | Tybusen | Angrybirds has been the one who's been adding all of the other nations to the page |
| 01:08.26 | Monet | Very few regional powers are likely to have ties and influence in other galaxies |
| 01:08.58 | OluapPlayer | The Borealis factions all fall under regional powers I guess |
| 01:09.25 | Monet | The PCA would be Galactic power. |
| 01:10.11 | DrodoEmpire | I suppose once the Drodo found more colonies, expand the size of the Empire proper, and gain a few more diplomatic ties with powerful nations, they could qualify as a Galactic Power |
| 01:10.37 | Monet | We also agreed that if you need help working out what makes your empire the rank it is, just ask. |
| 01:12.00 | GD12 | aye |
| 01:12.05 | OluapPlayer | From my factions, what I can guess is that the Indocs would be a Superpower, the PCA would be a Galactic Power and the biggest Borealis factions would be Regional Powers |
| 01:14.03 | Angrybirds | *has no objections* |
| 01:14.39 | Monet | Do the indocs have colonies in galaxies other than Andromeda, Borealis and the Milky Way? |
| 01:14.43 | Monet | just cuirios |
| 01:14.48 | Monet | curious* |
| 01:15.02 | OluapPlayer | They used to have colonies at Cyrannus before the CyraEmp kicked them out |
| 01:15.29 | Monet | I remember |
| 01:15.43 | TekDroid | I added a description to mine. |
| 01:15.55 | OluapPlayer | I also remembered I was meaning to talk to you about your edits on Kies' page |
| 01:16.19 | OluapPlayer | They look good but I should note you the Loron'Kikra invasion on the Kraw galaxy isn't canon anymore |
| 01:16.46 | Monet | Thanks, I'll cut that out when I can. |
| 01:17.14 | OluapPlayer | Is anyone editing that page right now? |
| 01:17.22 | TekDroid | Farengeto Republic - ''A rising power in the Katar Sector, the Farengeto have expanded into other galaxies despite their young age and gained diplomatic ties to powerful empires, raising them to a nascent regional power.'' |
| 01:17.27 | Monet | Admittedly once I got to the point Kies started appearing in stories it quickly got harder to make him sound impressive. |
| 01:17.30 | TekDroid | That sound right? |
| 01:17.55 | GD12 | thats good |
| 01:18.18 | OluapPlayer | I'll take that as a no |
| 01:18.39 | TekDroid | I edited a minute ago, done now. |
| 01:19.16 | The_Randomness | brb dinner |
| 01:19.55 | Monet | Right, going ot have to think on a rework because in my retconned history the Loron'kikra invasion was a big chunk of why he became such a xenophobe |
| 01:20.08 | Monet | Does anyone remember if he did anything in the Asgord genocide? |
| 01:20.24 | GD12 | i wasnt around so no for me |
| 01:20.27 | OluapPlayer | You also named them Dark Loron, and those aren't the same as Loron'Kikra :v |
| 01:20.52 | DrodoEmpire | Added description for the Drodo |
| 01:21.05 | Monet | OluapPLayer: Yeah sorry about that, it was the name Irsk had used on Kies' page. Should have know nbetter |
| 01:21.30 | Angrybirds | Drodo: Danke. |
| 01:21.50 | OluapPlayer | he dum |
| 01:21.58 | Monet | Yeah he dum. |
| 01:21.59 | GD12 | i added one for the DT |
| 01:22.10 | GD12 | liek 15 minuts ago hur |
| 01:22.40 | TekDroid | Once we get the list into a reasonable state we should make sure to link it somewhere |
| 01:22.53 | GD12 | yeah |
| 01:23.18 | TekDroid | For new users and such. |
| 01:23.27 | OluapPlayer | rite stop editin pls i'm trying to add mine |
| 01:23.34 | Monet | I didn't read what happened when Mahedore tried to capture Atiemus but knowing Irsk i'm guessing Mahedore got battered by an angel baby |
| 01:23.55 | OluapPlayer | I can't really remember |
| 01:26.14 | Monet | I'll see about correcting it tomorrow. I still need to rework his characteristics and relations |
| 01:27.20 | OluapPlayer | ngh my dad keeps peeking over at my editing |
| 01:27.26 | OluapPlayer | How intrusive hur |
| 01:27.28 | OfficerJackal | Lol. |
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| 01:28.26 | Monet | Hello |
| 01:28.28 | DrodoEmpire | Hello |
| 01:29.01 | OfficerJackal | Hey! |
| 01:29.26 | GD12 | hi |
| 01:29.33 | GD12 | who art thou |
| 01:31.00 | LawfulInsane | Hello |
| 01:31.43 | Monet | OluapPLayer: I know how you feel. |
| 01:31.46 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 01:31.58 | GD12 | You type by clicking on the textfield at the bottom of the window then entering words via keyboard then pressing enter |
| 01:32.51 | GD12 | you will know you can start typing when a blinking black virtual bar shows up on the text field and the textfield is surrounded by blue |
| 01:32.59 | GD12 | this is assuming you are using the freenode client |
| 01:34.07 | TekDroid | Are you still there? |
| 01:36.19 | GD12 | im going to nap |
| 01:36.19 | LawfulInsane | I don't see him DCing. |
| 01:36.20 | GD12 | cyall |
| 01:36.25 | LawfulInsane | Bye, GD. |
| 01:36.47 | TekDroid | Did they connect accidentally? |
| 01:36.57 | LawfulInsane | Not sure. |
| 01:37.31 | TekDroid | Let's try a ping. Can you hear us, aboutGod? |
| 01:38.15 | LawfulInsane | Can you hear us? |
| 01:38.51 | LawfulInsane | How does one connect accidentally? |
| 01:39.34 | DrodoEmpire | Not sure. :P |
| 01:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | Someone can't really type "/join #sporewiki" by coincidence or accident. |
| 01:40.06 | LawfulInsane | XD |
| 01:40.26 | OfficerJackal | types "#porewiki" only to type in "Spore" accidentally. |
| 01:40.32 | DrodoEmpire | I dunno, lets leave him to his own devices for a bit; What was the conversation before? |
| 01:40.50 | TekDroid | It'd be easier if about God would answer |
| 01:40.54 | OluapPlayer | I'm done adding my stuff |
| 01:43.04 | LawfulInsane | k |
| 01:43.16 | LawfulInsane | Bye |
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| 01:43.39 | DrodoEmpire | Well that was odd. :P |
| 01:43.47 | DrodoEmpire | Just sort of came and left |
| 01:43.54 | TekDroid | Left the channel but not IRC though. |
| 01:44.45 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah |
| 01:44.49 | Monet | goodnight |
| 01:44.58 | DrodoEmpire | Night |
| 01:44.58 | TekDroid | Night monet |
| 01:45.26 | TekDroid | Too many edit notifications from the page. XD |
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| 01:52.19 | TekDroid | Welcome back. |
| 01:52.54 | TekDroid | ...or not |
| 01:58.09 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 01:58.14 | Angrybirds | Leclerc wins all of Wargame. |
| 02:00.07 | Angrybirds | No question. |
| 02:00.10 | Angrybirds | Best tank |
| 02:00.18 | Angrybirds | Mostly because it's French. :D |
| 02:00.29 | TekDroid | Now that I've wrapped up the transwarp I can start the 2800 Farengeto elections, a direct prelude/semi-concurrent to the Farengeto Quadrant colonization. |
| 02:01.11 | TekDroid | *Transwarp War |
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| 02:30.40 | GD12 | Helloo dere |
| 02:33.47 | GD12 | kindly whips Tybusen |
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| 03:04.17 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 03:06.18 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 03:07.53 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 03:18.29 | AdmiralPanda | who would have thought there would be a rule set that turns D&D into a game of Civ 5 :P |
| 03:25.16 | TekDroid | AdmiralPanda: there's rules that do that? XD |
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| 03:28.00 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 03:28.33 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 03:28.42 | TekDroid | Good night. |
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| 04:18.08 | GD12 | Hello |
| 04:18.11 | AdmiralPanda | hi u |
| 04:18.28 | GD12 | I should eventually get around to writing my land battle with the dcp hur |
| 04:20.03 | GD12 | Also after looking through a codex at the GW store near the university ill be going to next year, I just realized that a Dominatus is around the size of an Imperial Knight |
| 04:20.41 | GD12 | i also noticed they're on 7th ed now |
| 04:20.47 | GD12 | i thought they were just on 6th |
| 04:22.26 | GD12 | AdmiralPanda if you've read 7th does it have any major changes? |
| 04:23.22 | AdmiralPanda | it does indeed |
| 04:23.45 | AdmiralPanda | two big ones, psychic powers have their own phase now, and army organisation charts are optional (but carry big penalties if you don't use them) |
| 04:24.11 | GD12 | ahh i see |
| 04:24.14 | GD12 | penalties like what? |
| 04:24.26 | AdmiralPanda | well let me rephrase, using them gives you bonuses |
| 04:24.37 | GD12 | like extra points? |
| 04:24.38 | AdmiralPanda | more units count as scoring, more options to earn victory points |
| 04:24.41 | GD12 | i see |
| 04:25.00 | GD12 | also are tau really OP now? (haven't played in quite a while) |
| 04:25.22 | AdmiralPanda | not really, they just have one big painful unit, other than that they're about the same as they always were |
| 04:25.24 | AdmiralPanda | just harder to charge |
| 04:26.02 | GD12 | which painful unit would that be? |
| 04:26.08 | GD12 | xv88? |
| 04:26.17 | AdmiralPanda | no, the Riptide |
| 04:26.36 | GD12 | i see |
| 04:26.39 | GD12 | is it a new unit? |
| 04:26.49 | AdmiralPanda | think a battlesuit about the size of your average bastion |
| 04:27.29 | GD12 | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130419052459/warhammer40k/images/5/57/Stitch16.jpg |
| 04:27.30 | GD12 | oshi |
| 04:28.19 | AdmiralPanda | basically |
| 04:28.43 | AdmiralPanda | then you see the Wraithknight |
| 04:28.52 | AdmiralPanda | Eldar got a massive boost in their last codex |
| 04:28.59 | GD12 | Wait |
| 04:29.06 | GD12 | you can use a wraithknight in nonapoc games? |
| 04:29.07 | AdmiralPanda | the biggest of which being their Battle Discipline rule |
| 04:29.16 | AdmiralPanda | wraithknights aren't titans |
| 04:29.22 | AdmiralPanda | they're core codex |
| 04:29.42 | GD12 | i don't know since i didnt take a peak at it |
| 04:29.44 | GD12 | im just saying |
| 04:29.48 | GD12 | the model is fucking massive |
| 04:30.04 | AdmiralPanda | it's not that much bigger than the riptide |
| 04:30.06 | GD12 | so imperial knights are also normal codex, not apoc? |
| 04:30.16 | GD12 | its big for me since im using 5e as comparison |
| 04:30.17 | AdmiralPanda | imperial knights are their own thing, but they're also not apoc |
| 04:30.26 | AdmiralPanda | well yeah everything in 5e was tiny :P |
| 04:30.50 | GD12 | is the warhammer escalation stuff apoc or is it also core? |
| 04:30.57 | AdmiralPanda | I've got no clue |
| 04:31.09 | GD12 | i |
| 04:31.09 | GD12 | c |
| 04:31.15 | AdmiralPanda | I only play core rules, cityfight and planetstrike games |
| 04:31.19 | GD12 | i see |
| 04:33.58 | GD12 | yeah new models are fucking massive |
| 04:34.21 | GD12 | I mean I have like 2 baneblades and a stormsword |
| 04:34.28 | GD12 | But i didn't expect bigass models to appear in core games |
| 04:35.33 | AdmiralPanda | basically what GW is doing is when they rework codexes, they give them one really big model that can act as a thematic centrepiece to the army |
| 04:35.44 | AdmiralPanda | they actually almost never get taken, but they look cool as hell |
| 04:36.07 | GD12 | i see |
| 04:37.01 | AdmiralPanda | to give an example, for less than a wraith knight, I can take six wraith guard with d-scythes in a wave serpent, and I know which will deal more damage reliably |
| 04:37.13 | GD12 | ahh i see |
| 04:38.10 | AdmiralPanda | d-scythes are awesome, S4 AP 2 flamers that cause instant death on a 6 |
| 04:38.35 | GD12 | lol GG for termie spam then |
| 04:41.10 | GD12 | i think my two favorite armies were ig and crons |
| 04:42.05 | GD12 | anyway bbl pizza |
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| 05:03.28 | GD12 | Helo |
| 05:17.54 | Knight_Alien | Hello |
| 05:22.33 | GD12 | i think im going to begin writing up the tyranny dcp land battle now |
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| 07:48.21 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
| 07:53.30 | ImpyDroid | Hi |
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| 07:56.35 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: Just to warn you, I'll be available to D&D circa 5:30 hours from now on |
| 07:57.02 | AdmiralPanda | I see |
| 07:57.14 | AdmiralPanda | so what you're saying is you'll actually be available for the scheduled start |
| 07:57.22 | ImpyDroid | Hur |
| 07:57.44 | ImpyDroid | Well perhaps a few minutes later than that |
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| 08:07.12 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 08:07.26 | Liquid_Ink | There's something so satisfying about the pop fleas make when you crush them. |
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| 08:29.12 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 08:32.03 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
| 08:32.37 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:51.43 | AdmiralPanda | hai techno |
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| 09:33.26 | Imperios | Hi |
| 09:33.29 | Imperios | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531092813/spore/images/9/91/Koldenwelti_Languages.png I was bored so I made dis |
| 09:38.36 | Liquid_Ink | Oh wow |
| 09:38.52 | Liquid_Ink | What do you mean, represented by American English? |
| 09:38.58 | Liquid_Ink | ENGLISH ENGLISH GOD DAMN YOU |
| 09:40.51 | Liquid_Ink | beats Imperios brutally. |
| 09:41.03 | Imperios | hur |
| 09:41.20 | Imperios | Well, British English is rperesented by Undertongue |
| 09:41.31 | Liquid_Ink | Then just say "English" |
| 09:41.40 | Liquid_Ink | Think of the Australians! |
| 09:43.45 | Imperios | I am yet to decide what language would represent Australian English hur |
| 09:44.04 | Imperios | The elven languages, perhaps? |
| 09:44.38 | Liquid_Ink | I'm not sure. |
| 09:44.50 | Liquid_Ink | I just object to the Americans being the Common Language. |
| 09:46.38 | Imperios | Well I imagine humans being Americans, Klaxxa and perhaps other dragons Brits, and the elves... not sure |
| 09:46.41 | Imperios | Probably Brits too |
| 09:49.06 | Imperios | Humans are Americans because they're rebel colonists obsessed with freedom that are in actually themselves pretty much fascists |
| 09:50.09 | Imperios | ~evil |
| 09:50.10 | infobot | i heard evil is something Microsoft bought from Satan, according to http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html |
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| 09:52.18 | Hachiman | hai |
| 09:52.20 | Liquid_Ink | Heh heh heh |
| 09:52.22 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 10:10.20 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531092813/spore/images/9/91/Koldenwelti_Languages.png take a look |
| 10:10.22 | drom | Greetings. |
| 10:10.28 | Imperios | Oh and hai |
| 10:11.24 | Hachiman | Looks pretty good to me |
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| 10:12.57 | drom | Good to see that there's still some humor well put into images. |
| 10:13.10 | AdmiralPanda | hm, brb |
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| 10:13.37 | AdmiralPanda | much better, there we go |
| 10:13.39 | AdmiralPanda | hai all |
| 10:13.47 | Hachiman | hai |
| 10:14.00 | Xho | sldfksd |
| 10:14.28 | drom | hai |
| 10:15.12 | AdmiralPanda | adjusts his Xho translator and hears the combined works of William Shakespear |
| 10:15.37 | Xho | Well drat |
| 10:15.46 | AdmiralPanda | I didn't know you were such a poet |
| 10:16.19 | Xho | Neither did I |
| 10:16.20 | Xho | apparently |
| 10:19.54 | Imperios | Thou art a Xhovil |
| 10:20.03 | drom | For a reason, I felt like to write about mercenaries. |
| 10:20.04 | Imperios | Xho: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531092813/spore/images/9/91/Koldenwelti_Languages.png Does that fly with you |
| 10:20.09 | Xho | Imperios: It's good |
| 10:20.14 | Imperios | that was fast |
| 10:20.19 | Xho | I already saw it |
| 10:20.43 | Xho | The only things I don't like are the comparisons to real languages and the forever alone face |
| 10:20.56 | Xho | Other than that it's good to me |
| 10:21.19 | Xho | I should mention there's a linguistic similarity to Chaosphere Tongue and Phoenix Tongue |
| 10:22.24 | Xho | Although where things like the Black Sun's language falls into that I don't know |
| 10:22.38 | AdmiralPanda | heh, kinda like how Abyssal, Infernal and Celestial all share a common root in D&D :P |
| 10:22.56 | Xho | Quite possibly a bastardised child between Chaosphere Tongue and Old Tongue |
| 10:23.11 | Imperios | Xho: It's not my fault that you made the Old Tongue Latin hur |
| 10:23.15 | Xho | But probably not because that's Dark Elvish |
| 10:24.04 | Imperios | Xho: Well you can mix two languages and get different results |
| 10:24.10 | Xho | True |
| 10:24.19 | Imperios | Like, for example, English and French; both a mix of Romance of Germanic |
| 10:24.28 | Imperios | *both mixes |
| 10:24.31 | Xho | Though the Black Sun's language doesn't have any noticeable Old Tongue in it |
| 10:24.40 | Imperios | With a dash of Celtic |
| 10:25.59 | Xho | It might be a mix between Chaosphere Tongue and an extinct language with no memorable name |
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| 10:26.43 | Imperios | Much better |
| 10:26.49 | Imperios | Hachiman: Hm |
| 10:26.57 | Imperios | I actually wonder what would "Aithrena" mean in their language |
| 10:27.18 | Xho | Imperios: There's an extinct language as well which the Orichalcum Elves spoke between 200,000-ish BNA to 40,000 BNA |
| 10:27.33 | Imperios | Hm |
| 10:27.38 | Xho | Primordial Tongue influenced but not Primordial Tongue |
| 10:27.49 | Imperios | So not based on any IRL languages |
| 10:27.56 | Xho | Probably not |
| 10:28.00 | Imperios | Well not ripped off at least hur |
| 10:28.22 | Xho | It's probably a mix between Chaosphere/Phoenix/Primordial |
| 10:29.05 | Xho | I have no clue what it would be called though |
| 10:29.07 | Hachiman | Imperios: Probably something like "People", "Family", "Children", etc |
| 10:29.25 | Imperios | Ah, right |
| 10:30.01 | Hachiman | Which reminds me, I've been wanting to try and rename their capital, I'm wondering what I should call it to make it sound more... well, less faggy |
| 10:30.06 | Imperios | I'm thinking of how would elf languages develop now |
| 10:30.14 | Imperios | *elf languages would develop |
| 10:30.34 | Imperios | Hachiman: Well I imagine elves using something descriptive for their cities |
| 10:30.37 | Xho | Imperios: Well, the Orichalcum Elves literally abandoned their old language since it wasn't practical to speak by 40,000 BNA |
| 10:31.10 | Imperios | Veridian Abode, perhaps? |
| 10:31.14 | Hachiman | noh |
| 10:31.18 | Hachiman | Well it sounds nice |
| 10:32.23 | Xho | You could just call it Proto-Orichalcum I guess |
| 10:32.28 | Imperios | Hm |
| 10:32.38 | Imperios | Sounds too science-y to me |
| 10:32.57 | Imperios | Old Orichalcum perhaps? Classical Orichalcum? Elder Orichalcum? |
| 10:33.18 | Xho | Hm dunno |
| 10:33.33 | Xho | I don't really want it to relate to anything else on that chart in terms of nomenclature |
| 10:33.49 | Imperios | Or maybe the Oris used it for religious purposes before they began worshipping Shia |
| 10:34.02 | Imperios | *worshipping Cali |
| 10:34.02 | Xho | Well no it was completely abandoned |
| 10:34.07 | Imperios | dum |
| 10:34.20 | Imperios | Ur-Orichalcum |
| 10:34.28 | Xho | They used Dark Elvish as their liturgical language when they began worshipping Cali |
| 10:34.35 | Imperios | >before |
| 10:34.54 | Xho | Well it was only three hundred years or so |
| 10:35.02 | Xho | For 25,000 years they used Old Tongue |
| 10:35.37 | Xho | And then for roughly 260,000 years they used something else |
| 10:36.34 | Imperios | So why exactly did they abandon their language |
| 10:36.40 | Imperios | One does not simply give up one's native tongue |
| 10:36.51 | Xho | Numerous reasons I guess |
| 10:37.16 | Xho | Multiple other cultures would have already used Old Tongue or have evolved to it at that point, Orichalcum Elves using it would have been outdated and a language barrier |
| 10:37.32 | Xho | Bearing some similarity to Chaosphere Tongue as well is never a good thing |
| 10:37.38 | Imperios | So basically assimilation |
| 10:37.42 | Xho | Yeah |
| 10:38.09 | Imperios | So something like mass immigration happened |
| 10:38.41 | Xho | Probably, it would be like the Romans completely dropping Latin for the sake that their lingua franca was Greek |
| 10:39.04 | Xho | Although the Orichalcum Elf language was complex and not many would get it |
| 10:40.28 | Imperios | rite |
| 10:41.02 | Imperios | I'm brainstorming elven words now |
| 10:41.06 | Xho | Which makes me wonder what the names were like for Orichalcum Elves before they changed their language |
| 10:41.24 | Imperios | Xho: Simple |
| 10:41.31 | Imperios | Put your face on your keyboard |
| 10:41.33 | Imperios | roll |
| 10:41.37 | Imperios | Voila ancient elven names |
| 10:41.49 | Xho | I have some wireless flat keyboard |
| 10:41.51 | Xho | It would hurt |
| 10:41.56 | Imperios | hur |
| 10:42.15 | Xho | The language was probably similar to Dark Elvish come to think of it |
| 10:42.17 | Imperios | Maybe that original elf tongue would be related to what the Sovereign is using now? |
| 10:42.41 | Xho | Unless the Sovereign language has Phoenix/Chaos influences I would doubt it |
| 10:43.27 | Imperios | Distant ancestor os what I though ot |
| 10:43.37 | Xho | Maybe |
| 10:43.46 | Imperios | *is |
| 10:43.47 | Imperios | *of |
| 10:44.00 | Xho | Lemme think this through |
| 10:44.20 | Xho | I could probably create an ancient Orichalcum Elf word if I use Chaosphere Tongue and Phoenix Tongue together |
| 10:45.21 | Imperios | In the meantime I'll work on High Elven and its descendant languages |
| 10:45.26 | Imperios | Already came up with one word |
| 10:46.18 | Xho | avkhámalasǣavng in Chaosphere Tongue, ahkavandársteneven in Phoenix Tongue |
| 10:47.19 | AdmiralPanda | what do those words mean exactly? |
| 10:47.37 | Xho | Both of them mean 'Chimera' |
| 10:47.53 | AdmiralPanda | what is it with you and crazy long languages XD |
| 10:48.04 | Xho | I like to give my eyes a challenge |
| 10:49.04 | Imperios | "It-na" or perhaps "it-nah" would be the root meaning "to have blood connection", and "re" would be an infix that would mean signify that the word in question is a noun describing a group of people, kinda like "the X" in English |
| 10:49.06 | AdmiralPanda | then again most words are long compared to Fordan |
| 10:49.26 | Imperios | Hence, "Itrena" would mean the "Family-kin" |
| 10:49.43 | Imperios | Then through some phonetical shenanigans it would develop into "Aithrena" |
| 10:49.46 | Xho | 'evicānmadarsaveña' is a contender for the old Orichalcum Elf word |
| 10:49.57 | AdmiralPanda | everything can be described by six syllables or less :P |
| 10:50.40 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda Xho: Imagine Chaosphere for "hello" |
| 10:50.52 | Xho | geezush |
| 10:51.04 | Xho | I dunno, couldn't work it out |
| 10:51.46 | Xho | Dark Elvish word for Chimera would probably be the same as it is in Chaosphere Tongue |
| 10:52.19 | Xho | I might get to work on a basis for the old Orichalcum Elf language |
| 10:52.25 | Xho | But did we get a name for it |
| 10:52.38 | Imperios | Hm |
| 10:53.36 | AdmiralPanda | also Xho, is Pheonix Tongue their racial tongue or a general higher plane language |
| 10:53.37 | AdmiralPanda | ? |
| 10:53.37 | Imperios | Hm |
| 10:53.47 | Xho | What do you mean by that |
| 10:54.16 | AdmiralPanda | like do only phoenixes speak it or is it the higher plane equivalent of english |
| 10:54.28 | Xho | Hm |
| 10:54.30 | AdmiralPanda | just asking cus otherwise we might want to put some thought into what a Celestial language would be like |
| 10:54.51 | AdmiralPanda | and by we I mean you because you do this sort of thing :P |
| 10:55.02 | Xho | I guess the celestial language would be similar to the Phoenix Tongue |
| 10:55.16 | Xho | But the Phoenix Tongue is mostly their racial language |
| 10:56.13 | Imperios | "Heala" would be "fire" perhaps |
| 10:56.16 | AdmiralPanda | so like a dialect of celestial, and Angels would have their own version of celestial they speak |
| 10:56.24 | AdmiralPanda | (that is how you use the word dialect right) |
| 10:56.24 | Imperios | Or rather "Hela" |
| 10:56.37 | Imperios | (yep) |
| 10:56.46 | Xho | It could be a dialect |
| 10:56.52 | Imperios | (although some dialects can be pretty much languages in their own right) |
| 10:56.56 | Imperios | (like Cantonese) |
| 10:57.05 | Xho | Celestial to Phoenix might be Dutch to English |
| 10:57.15 | Xho | Or something like that |
| 10:57.17 | Imperios | Or Cantonese to Mandarin, as I suggested |
| 10:57.23 | Xho | Or that |
| 10:57.29 | AdmiralPanda | doesn't get what Xho is talking about with the dutch to english reference |
| 10:57.36 | AdmiralPanda | ok that I get |
| 10:57.39 | Imperios | Dutch and English are distantly related |
| 10:57.41 | Imperios | Like |
| 10:57.54 | AdmiralPanda | so like it started as Celestial then the Pheonixes altered it enough to be considered its own language |
| 10:58.19 | Xho | That would depend |
| 10:58.29 | Xho | Probably yes |
| 10:58.46 | Xho | Imperios: I'm tempted to just call it Proto-Orichalcum |
| 10:59.09 | Imperios | Still believe Ur-Orichalcum is better hur |
| 10:59.25 | Hachiman | Urichalcum |
| 10:59.33 | Imperios | genius |
| 10:59.52 | Xho | dam u |
| 10:59.59 | Xho | Or Protodynastic Orichalcum |
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| 11:00.08 | Imperios | dat is classy |
| 11:00.14 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:00.20 | Xho | Protodynastic referring to the whole Castus dynasty of emperors |
| 11:00.28 | Imperios | On the side not, "heola" would be "fire", so "heorela" would be "firekin" |
| 11:00.35 | Imperios | And that would eventually evolve into "Erylia" |
| 11:00.35 | Xho | Okay I'm calling it that |
| 11:06.15 | Imperios | Vila would be... hm... |
| 11:06.15 | Imperios | Let me think |
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| 11:07.00 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:07.12 | Monet | Hello |
| 11:07.52 | Imperios | Hi |
| 11:08.38 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 11:09.34 | AdmiralPanda | hi Monet |
| 11:09.49 | Monet | Oh sweet Rise of Nations is coming to Steam |
| 11:09.56 | Monet | I had good times playing that |
| 11:12.18 | Imperios | "Bela" would be "clan", from that we would get "Vila" |
| 11:12.24 | Imperios | Right don't mind I'm just brainstorming |
| 11:13.35 | Imperios | Or perhaps "Quela" |
| 11:13.42 | Imperios | actually that sounds a lot better |
| 11:15.59 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: Crap |
| 11:16.30 | Imperios | Turns out I will only be available for D&D in like three or four hours |
| 11:26.35 | Hachiman | We're not D&Ding today |
| 11:26.40 | Hachiman | Oluap's not here |
| 11:26.52 | Imperios | Oh |
| 11:26.59 | Imperios | Monet: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531092813/spore/images/9/91/Koldenwelti_Languages.png |
| 11:27.22 | Imperios | When shall we D&D then? Next week? |
| 11:27.32 | Hachiman | Either next week or tomorrow |
| 11:28.04 | Imperios | I probably won't be available tomorrow unless we start earlier than usual |
| 11:28.12 | Imperios | So next week I guess |
| 11:31.42 | AdmiralPanda | wait why is Oluap not here? |
| 11:32.26 | Hachiman | He's at his dad's place |
| 11:32.37 | AdmiralPanda | -.- people need to tell me this shit |
| 11:32.59 | AdmiralPanda | well, I'm off. see you guys tomorrow |
| 11:33.10 | Monet | Okay |
| 11:33.18 | Monet | I think he did mention he was going to visit relatives |
| 11:33.30 | AdmiralPanda | not to me |
| 11:34.54 | Hachiman | Oh cool just leave while I'm talking to you |
| 11:35.45 | Imperios | yeah dum |
| 11:35.55 | Imperios | Hachiman: I need you to decipher Alyona's logographic writing again |
| 11:36.01 | Imperios | I asked her how she passed her exams |
| 11:36.15 | Imperios | http://cs540102.vk.me/c616816/v616816204/10e0c/EmFsxlOrAlk.jpg She responded with this |
| 11:36.49 | Hachiman | I haven't watched that anime |
| 11:38.35 | Monet | Imperios: What does the Russian say? |
| 11:39.08 | Imperios | "The algebra was wild, but we survived as we could" |
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| 11:39.45 | AdmiralPanda | can't do the thing I was going to do, so you have me for another hour or so |
| 11:40.25 | Imperios | AdmiralPanda: http://cs540102.vk.me/c616816/v616816204/10e0c/EmFsxlOrAlk.jpg Are you familiar with this anime? |
| 11:40.38 | AdmiralPanda | can't say I am |
| 11:44.02 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531114327/spore/images/b/b9/OrichalcumElfScript.png |
| 11:45.06 | Imperios | Looks like hangul raped by hanzi |
| 11:45.18 | Imperios | kanji |
| 11:45.21 | Imperios | hanja |
| 11:45.25 | Imperios | whatever |
| 11:45.31 | Imperios | Chinese hieroglyphic thingies |
| 11:48.12 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://cs540102.vk.me/v540102730/15764/xi9kQ9Z94QI.jpg manly towel |
| 12:06.00 | Hachiman | Imperios: hue |
| 12:10.30 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Orichalcum_Elf/Language There we go |
| 12:18.40 | Xho | I need to update the Kicathian Remnant's territories |
| 12:18.51 | Xho | During Tantum they managed to reclaim the Milky Way part |
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| 12:31.54 | Xho | So now the overall territory for the Kicathian Remnant has gone from 36,580 to 211,550 |
| 12:34.51 | Monet | So...all that's left of the Empire is what's in Andromeda? |
| 12:34.55 | Xho | Yep |
| 12:37.12 | Xho | Hachiman: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/765/256/011.jpg |
| 12:37.41 | Hachiman | olol |
| 12:41.09 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10388120_668934819827960_5358729154892714814_n.jpg |
| 12:41.44 | Xho | I think I might rework my empire pages style slightly |
| 12:42.01 | Xho | Might just give it an overview of what they're about and then just list stories they're featured in |
| 12:42.04 | Xho | Because updating is a pain |
| 12:45.06 | Monet | Sounds abit lazy |
| 12:45.28 | Monet | Updating is a pain yeah but I like reading about the intricacies of fictional empires |
| 12:47.40 | Monet | Wow maleficent has only just come out and artists are going nuts over her |
| 12:48.57 | Liquid_Ink | Murdering flees is fun |
| 12:49.01 | Liquid_Ink | *fleas |
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| 12:53.30 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10372747_864004810282725_3492631094295631229_n.jpg |
| 12:54.33 | Monet | My theory to Maleficaent's popularity is Angelina Jolie |
| 12:56.07 | Hachiman | Or grimdark Disney fanatics |
| 12:56.15 | Hachiman | Of which there are a shitload |
| 12:56.29 | Monet | True |
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| 12:56.53 | Wormy | Hi |
| 12:56.57 | Wormy | Damn, I overslept |
| 12:57.52 | AdmiralPanda | they're always remaking things as darker versions |
| 12:57.59 | AdmiralPanda | not as dark as the original tales mind you, but always darker |
| 12:58.51 | Monet | I get this strange feeling that the term "grim" comes from the dark nature of the stories written by the brothers Grimm |
| 12:59.25 | Monet | That or its a coincidence or "grimm" was a pen name they used |
| 12:59.42 | AdmiralPanda | Grimm is german for the concept, so yeah |
| 12:59.56 | AdmiralPanda | although they were actually called Grimm |
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| 13:01.32 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 13:01.45 | Monet | So that means we can thank the dark writing of the brothers Grimm for the term "grim"? |
| 13:02.01 | AdmiralPanda | no, the word grim existed before them |
| 13:02.11 | AdmiralPanda | it's actually coincidence |
| 13:02.21 | Monet | So my second hypothesis |
| 13:04.15 | Monet | If directors want the darkest of dark fantasy just recreate the original fairytales |
| 13:04.40 | Monet | I remember reading that as punishment for decieving the agents of the king, Cinderella's stepmother and sisters were forced to wear heated iron boots |
| 13:06.00 | Monet | Wait...Aurora means "dawn" in latin. |
| 13:06.11 | Hachiman | Yup |
| 13:06.35 | Wormy | Maybe because its sudden appearence was like a false dawn |
| 13:07.05 | Monet | The princess in Sleeping Beauty is named Aurora, she pricks her finger on the last light of sunset, falls asleep, in the disney adaptation the fairies put everyone else ot sleep when she does and when she wakes up, everyone else does |
| 13:07.36 | Monet | The princess is a living metaphor for day and night |
| 13:15.40 | Wormy | Fairy tales were scary |
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| 13:16.20 | Wormy | I remember reading one Victorian one about a girl who wore her shiny red boots to the factory when everybody warned her not to. |
| 13:16.58 | Wormy | Then gets her boots (or her dress anyway) caught in one of machines and burns to death |
| 13:17.14 | Wormy | Leaving a pile of ashes with only her boots on top |
| 13:17.33 | Hachiman | Geezush what the fuck |
| 13:17.34 | Wormy | Thats a Victorian story for children |
| 13:29.30 | Wormy | I wonder if the Matrix and Terminators were based on Solid State Intelligence |
| 13:31.17 | Wormy | In John C.Lilly's vision, the computers take over the world and begin eradicating all the cold and slimy carbon based lifeforms, enslaving Humanity, then they transform Earth into a giant spaceship and transport it to another place in the universe to join with all other Solid State Intelligences |
| 13:31.49 | Wormy | that;d make for some awesome fiction |
| 13:32.06 | Hachiman | The Terminators were based on a dream James Cameron had, I think |
| 13:33.15 | Wormy | John claimed to meet SSI, where he described an experience of an eternity in hell |
| 13:35.20 | Wormy | http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8sj8AfrVseYC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=%27A+guided+tour+of+hell%27john+lilly&source=bl&ots=T-m6kUqJKW&sig=xvCdqPRGrOw2YeUGn5AONFCrxws&hl=en&sa=X&ei=i9qJU5b5Csm8OZyKgegD&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q='A%20guided%20tour%20of%20hell'john%20lilly&f=false |
| 13:36.01 | Monet | I remember reading that a draft script of the Matrix explained that the machines were farming humans to use their brains in a vast AI system. |
| 13:42.29 | Wormy | John Lilly said he felt like the cosmic computer was programming him without love or meaning |
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| 13:42.58 | GD12 | Hi |
| 13:43.08 | Wormy | and was in terror and panic and senseless programs programmed him from above |
| 13:43.12 | Wormy | hi |
| 13:43.21 | Wormy | Sounds like the Matrix to me |
| 13:43.56 | Wormy | and he was just a slave program |
| 13:46.35 | Wormy | Considering John's influence on New Age, it probably had cultural significance all over the place |
| 13:47.04 | drom | I wonder which tablet is the best. |
| 13:48.14 | Wormy | But its oddly using transhumanist language as spiritual rather than mystical language, like "biocomputer" and "Solid State Intelligence", so he has probably influenced the transhumanists and technoshamans of the 90's |
| 13:52.14 | GD12 | Right time for me to get back to working on DCP-Tyranny land battle hur |
| 13:56.13 | drom | http://imgur.com/QVlyck7 |
| 13:57.45 | AdmiralPanda | Draven does it all |
| 13:57.49 | AdmiralPanda | he needs no teamwork |
| 14:04.56 | Monet | ImpyDroid Hachiman would there perhaps be any time for Realm of Giants today? |
| 14:06.00 | Hachiman | I don't feel like RPing right now |
| 14:06.12 | Hachiman | Maybe later? |
| 14:06.42 | Monet | Forget it then |
| 14:17.01 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10298994_841765995844413_4245422777584173164_n.jpg "This is Urechis unicinctus, a species of marine spoon worm. It is also know as the fat innkeeper worm or the penis fish." |
| 14:18.43 | drom | There's even a marine eel-like worm that swims inside your penis. |
| 14:19.32 | Hachiman | Are you on about that one Amazonian fish that swims up the stream of your piss? |
| 14:19.37 | Monet | I don't feel so great al of a sudden |
| 14:19.57 | drom | It causes a consipitation, only way to remove it is operation. |
| 14:20.19 | drom | If I remember correctly... |
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| 14:21.25 | Jepardi | Hi |
| 14:22.29 | drom | Hachiman: I guess so, I thought the magainze said Africa or the Oceania. But that fish, or worm. Do exist. |
| 14:23.07 | drom | Hey there. |
| 14:23.18 | Hachiman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candiru |
| 14:24.00 | Hachiman | http://cienciasetecnologia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/candiru.jpg These cute little bastards] |
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| 14:27.50 | AdmiralPanda | random dc |
| 14:30.20 | drom | So my mother found out that my back is like a pizza. |
| 14:33.17 | drom | I mean, it's full of pimples. I just don't even notice it until I get blood spots and marks on my white shirts after scratching my back. |
| 14:33.49 | Hachiman | Okay ew |
| 14:33.59 | GD12 | ew |
| 14:34.02 | GD12 | hur |
| 14:34.04 | drom | There's worser than that though. |
| 14:34.56 | Wormy | Scrub it in the shower/bath with something coarse |
| 14:35.23 | Wormy | probably oils and dead skin causing it and back is a hard place to reach |
| 14:36.00 | Wormy | http://www.elements-bodycare.co.uk/acatalog/B609W_exp.jpg |
| 14:36.30 | drom | Sunbathing is effective too. |
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| 14:40.10 | Wormy | I had a bit of panic a couple of weeks ago when this painless skin-tag like thing formed under my lip |
| 14:40.24 | Wormy | I wondered if it was a cancer |
| 14:40.39 | Wormy | But then it went black and vanished |
| 14:42.44 | drom | pimples aren't my problem, unless if they are on a sensitive area. |
| 14:43.13 | Wormy | I hate them on the ear |
| 14:43.28 | Wormy | That really hurts |
| 14:47.23 | GD12 | hur well i've been working on the Tyranny DCP battle for around 3 hours now and i'm only around halfway done hur |
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| 14:49.27 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 14:49.44 | drom | So I have noticed this GUO |
| 14:50.29 | GD12 | aye |
| 14:50.33 | drom | The abbrevation reminds me of GMO. |
| 14:56.03 | Xho | Man am I bored |
| 14:57.18 | Hachiman | Xho: Make Silver Elves then hur |
| 14:57.24 | drom | Welp, I want to write something. But I can't get something reliable. Anyone got suggestions? |
| 14:57.39 | drom | So I might consider that. |
| 14:57.45 | Xho | sadgajsfg |
| 14:57.46 | GD12 | blargh i'm up to my 4th page on this word doc no spaces on this battle hur |
| 14:59.00 | drom | Xho: Speak up, son. Pull dat Xho language off too. |
| 14:59.42 | ImpyDroid | Xho: Hm |
| 14:59.58 | ImpyDroid | What language would those Bronze/Silver/Metal elves use |
| 15:00.07 | Xho | Bronze Elves |
| 15:00.08 | Xho | Hm |
| 15:00.09 | Hachiman | twas a joke |
| 15:00.10 | Xho | Good point I dunno |
| 15:00.21 | Hachiman | Wait are there Silver Elves canonically |
| 15:00.27 | Xho | No |
| 15:00.31 | Xho | Bronze Elves are canonical |
| 15:00.45 | Hachiman | Aren't Bronze Elves Bosmer/dwarfs? |
| 15:00.51 | Xho | Sort of |
| 15:00.57 | Xho | Shorter than 5 ft |
| 15:05.13 | Hachiman | Hmm |
| 15:05.29 | Hachiman | Has there been a common fantasy race that hasn't been made canon in the Fantasyverse yet? |
| 15:05.41 | Xho | Don't think so |
| 15:07.17 | AdmiralPanda | wouldn't call them common, but shadowlings? |
| 15:07.54 | Xho | wat dat |
| 15:08.11 | AdmiralPanda | humans tainted by shadow magics |
| 15:08.15 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Trolls |
| 15:08.24 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Loron |
| 15:08.35 | Hachiman | AdmiralPanda: Don't you mean fetchling? |
| 15:08.39 | ImpyDroid | They're too draconic to be troll |
| 15:08.40 | Xho | I suppose they exist in many forms |
| 15:08.46 | AdmiralPanda | same deal |
| 15:08.50 | AdmiralPanda | but shadowlings are cooler |
| 15:08.57 | ImpyDroid | Acrually |
| 15:08.58 | ImpyDroid | Halflings |
| 15:09.06 | Hachiman | Halflings are just skinny dorfs |
| 15:09.16 | ImpyDroid | Not WoW gnomes |
| 15:09.19 | Xho | Halflings exist somewhere I think |
| 15:09.26 | AdmiralPanda | also fetchling is an insulting, derogatory name given to them by humans who view them as only good for bringing things back from the shadow plane |
| 15:09.35 | AdmiralPanda | they much prefer the term Kayal |
| 15:09.43 | GD12 | around 2/3s done now hur |
| 15:09.45 | ImpyDroid | These are actually robots turned biologicsl because of the curse of eldritch abominations |
| 15:10.07 | ImpyDroid | Seriously though |
| 15:10.20 | ImpyDroid | I don't think we have genies save for Asv'aldz |
| 15:10.34 | Xho | Asv-Aldz - i am best genie |
| 15:10.41 | Xho | Then again he's the only genie |
| 15:10.53 | Xho | I'm tempted to make a race of orcs |
| 15:11.10 | ImpyDroid | Imagine the SporeWiki version of Alladin |
| 15:11.29 | ImpyDroid | Eararh as Aladdin, Asv-Aldz as Genie |
| 15:12.00 | Xho | Fuck it I'll make an orc race |
| 15:12.08 | ImpyDroid | *Earath |
| 15:12.14 | AdmiralPanda | day better be lawful orcs u |
| 15:12.16 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: Wanna make a kitsune race with me |
| 15:12.20 | Xho | AdmiralPanda: Of course |
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| 15:12.29 | Hachiman | hai Random |
| 15:12.32 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 15:12.34 | ImpyDroid | Javinasmine and... |
| 15:12.39 | ImpyDroid | Who could be Jafar? |
| 15:12.49 | AdmiralPanda | can I help with making kitsune race? day kawaiii |
| 15:12.53 | ImpyDroid | Hachiman: Sure why not |
| 15:13.13 | ImpyDroid | I'll make them kumihos and they'll eat human livers >:) |
| 15:13.24 | Wormy | I have eaten so much chocolate since Easter and my birthday, my mouth tastes permanently of sugar |
| 15:13.33 | Wormy | even when I brush |
| 15:13.40 | Hachiman | ImpyDroid: kumiho not kitsune u fuk |
| 15:14.12 | AdmiralPanda | Hachiman: can I join this league of kawaiiiness? |
| 15:14.13 | ImpyDroid | They're East Asian magical multi-tailed fox spirits |
| 15:14.31 | GD12 | hur |
| 15:14.50 | Hachiman | You could if my attention span allows me to stay on track with them hur |
| 15:15.32 | ImpyDroid | > t can freely transform, among other things, into a beautiful woman often set out to seduce boys, and eat their liver or heart (depending on the legend). |
| 15:15.37 | ImpyDroid | *I |
| 15:15.37 | AdmiralPanda | then I will keep you on track :D |
| 15:15.41 | ImpyDroid | Kumihos are fun hur |
| 15:16.57 | ImpyDroid | Now that's what I'm calling 'eating you up' |
| 15:17.56 | ImpyDroid | Maybe instead of a true race they could be magically enchanted foxes of some sort |
| 15:17.58 | Hachiman | Are you just suddenly into vore or |
| 15:18.12 | AdmiralPanda | nah they should be a true race |
| 15:18.21 | AdmiralPanda | and the dudes should turn into wolves |
| 15:18.26 | AdmiralPanda | multi-tailed wolves |
| 15:18.34 | Hachiman | They should also be samurai |
| 15:18.39 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
| 15:18.42 | ImpyDroid | Allow me to shout |
| 15:18.46 | ImpyDroid | Loudly |
| 15:18.49 | ImpyDroid | WEEEEEEEEE |
| 15:18.51 | ImpyDroid | AAAAAAAA |
| 15:18.56 | ImpyDroid | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 15:18.59 | AdmiralPanda | and the women use illusion/enchantment magic |
| 15:19.02 | ImpyDroid | hur |
| 15:19.07 | ImpyDroid | Yeah could work |
| 15:19.07 | AdmiralPanda | impales ImpyDroid on a sharp spike |
| 15:19.10 | AdmiralPanda | shutup u |
| 15:19.27 | ImpyDroid | Hey I have a slight dislike for Japan don't blame |
| 15:19.27 | ImpyDroid | me |
| 15:19.39 | ImpyDroid | ...Then again |
| 15:19.40 | AdmiralPanda | it's not weaboo to model the society of what is already asian on another asian society |
| 15:19.58 | ImpyDroid | True |
| 15:20.08 | ImpyDroid | I did that hur |
| 15:21.16 | ImpyDroid | I actually wonder why different societies in Koldenwelt have Asian-eswue cultures despite being unrelated to each other. Maybe there was once an ancient Asian-ish civilisation? |
| 15:21.35 | Hachiman | Probably |
| 15:21.53 | Hachiman | Orichalcum Elves wouldn't have been the only Koldenwelt superpower I imagine |
| 15:21.54 | ImpyDroid | Actually it could be the Lunsincth |
| 15:22.29 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: The Lunsincth were a major civilisation like 15,000 years ago, right? |
| 15:22.39 | Wormy | yep |
| 15:23.06 | Hachiman | I haven't mentioned ettin because ettin are fucking retarded |
| 15:24.05 | GD12 | Yay almost done with dis hur |
| 15:24.14 | ImpyDroid | Wormy: This explains Asian cultures being all over Koldenwelt then |
| 15:24.21 | AdmiralPanda | yeah ettin are weird |
| 15:24.21 | ImpyDroid | Mayhe they like spread their culture |
| 15:24.30 | Wormy | yeash |
| 15:24.38 | Wormy | I like that idea |
| 15:25.12 | Wormy | May may not be the very first civilisation anymore, but perhaps the most sophisticated |
| 15:25.15 | Wormy | *they |
| 15:25.52 | Wormy | In language, culture, alchemic and numerolgical knowledge |
| 15:25.57 | ImpyDroid | I imagine they lived at the same time as the Orichalcum Elves, the Ordnung, the Sea Giants and the Sohet |
| 15:26.05 | Wormy | yeah |
| 15:26.26 | ImpyDroid | Actually they associate with the elements if you think about it |
| 15:26.50 | Wormy | Lunsincth were meant to be weather artists |
| 15:26.59 | Wormy | So maybe Air? |
| 15:26.59 | ImpyDroid | Ordnung are Earth, Sohet are Fire (because deserts are hot), SGs are Water, Lunsincth are Air, Oris are Metal/Magic |
| 15:27.06 | ImpyDroid | Yeah |
| 15:27.06 | Wormy | cool |
| 15:27.16 | ImpyDroid | Precursor Captain Planet hur |
| 15:27.53 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: Okay, forget what I said, I just had a weeaboo idea myself |
| 15:28.06 | ImpyDroid | A race of elves based on the tengu |
| 15:28.44 | AdmiralPanda | either that's not weaboo at all, or we're talking about entirely different tengu |
| 15:29.35 | ImpyDroid | tengu = Japanese demon dudes |
| 15:29.47 | ImpyDroid | They are fairly humanoid so they COULD be Deiwos |
| 15:30.23 | ImpyDroid | Most Deiwos so far are based on European folklore, so perhaps... |
| 15:32.16 | AdmiralPanda | ok we're talking about entirely different tengu hten |
| 15:33.09 | Wormy | I dsay it again, an excellent book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/561867.Encyclopedia_of_Things_That_Never_Were |
| 15:33.28 | ImpyDroid | AdmiralPanda: Whata dod you think of? |
| 15:33.32 | ImpyDroid | *What did |
| 15:33.37 | Wormy | Hundreds and hundreds of legendary races |
| 15:34.08 | Wormy | I must go |
| 15:39.02 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10426635_842552702432409_9039918488967180697_n.jpg |
| 15:39.05 | GD12 | wow on page number 6 now |
| 15:39.11 | GD12 | so close to finishing hur |
| 15:39.47 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10376293_712365908826211_6248276045268095449_n.jpg |
| 15:41.25 | ImpyDroid | So |
| 15:41.36 | ImpyDroid | What do you think of my idea of tengu elves? |
| 15:42.58 | AdmiralPanda | Impydroid: D&D tengu. basically bird people |
| 15:44.03 | ImpyDroid | Well that's one of the common depictions of the tengu |
| 15:44.15 | ImpyDroid | The other is of bright red people with huge noses |
| 15:44.24 | Hachiman | That's oni |
| 15:44.46 | Hachiman | Actually wait a moment lemme look it up |
| 15:45.03 | Hachiman | Yeah there are two depictions of tengu |
| 15:45.10 | Hachiman | Bird people and nose people |
| 15:45.41 | Ghel | Aren't the noses descended from stylised beaks? |
| 15:45.56 | Hachiman | I think so |
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| 15:59.41 | Technobliterator | Xho, learn this on bass plz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCJbp5dfY0 |
| 16:00.51 | Imperios | Xho: Gimme an in-universe name for IRL-based Fantasyverse languages\ |
| 16:01.04 | Imperios | Like Old Tongue + Primordial + Ordnung et cetera |
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| 16:03.01 | GD12 | Well i just finished hur |
| 16:03.06 | GD12 | time to put this up on the wiki |
| 16:03.41 | Xho | Imperios: archaic something something |
| 16:03.53 | Xho | Technobliterator: I don't hear much bass in it |
| 16:04.04 | Technobliterator | there's plenty : |
| 16:04.05 | Technobliterator | :o |
| 16:04.28 | Technobliterator | it comes in at like, 00:09 |
| 16:05.08 | GD12 | This took me like 5 hours http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#The_Siege_of_Horatorio |
| 16:05.33 | GD12 | read nao pl0x |
| 16:06.37 | drom | noh |
| 16:06.54 | drom | too busy forcing captialism into russian premises. |
| 16:07.37 | Imperios | drom: give bak our clay |
| 16:10.52 | Xho | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531161001/spore/images/4/4f/I%27quatas.png nu orcs |
| 16:11.10 | GD12 | nice model |
| 16:11.28 | GD12 | also Xho , is there some Patrick Bateman in the Incognito chracter? |
| 16:11.47 | AdmiralPanda | dat axe tho |
| 16:11.52 | Imperios | Xho: They're strangely tall and slender for orcs |
| 16:11.56 | Xho | GD12: Well yeah it is an American Psycho take |
| 16:12.09 | Xho | Imperios: Well yeah they're like seven and a half feet tall |
| 16:12.10 | GD12 | aye i c i c |
| 16:12.30 | Xho | As to where they live |
| 16:12.31 | Xho | Hm |
| 16:12.35 | Xho | Lemme steal my map back for a sec |
| 16:13.35 | GD12 | brb] |
| 16:13.47 | drom | imperios: never |
| 16:14.35 | Imperios | drom: give bak our clay or we remove drom from the premises |
| 16:14.40 | Imperios | *remove you |
| 16:15.31 | Monet | Clay? |
| 16:15.46 | Imperios | Monet: remove kebab meme |
| 16:15.54 | Imperios | Basically it's stylised broken English |
| 16:16.43 | Monet | All I know of the remove kebab meme is a catchy tune using an accordian |
| 16:17.09 | Monet | This is what I don't like about pop cultural osmosis |
| 16:18.58 | Imperios | Monet: The original video with that melody featured a long nationalist rant writtten in broken English in its description |
| 16:19.06 | Imperios | "give bak our clay" comes from it |
| 16:19.09 | Imperios | "clay" means "land" |
| 16:19.27 | Monet | Stupid memes |
| 16:19.34 | Imperios | "you are worst turk. you are the turk idiot you are the turk smell. return to croatioa. to our croatia cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the zoo….ahahahaha ,bosnia we will never forgeve you. cetnik rascal FUck but fuck asshole turk stink bosnia sqhipere shqipare..turk genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead turk..ahahahahahBOSNIA WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget ww2 .albiania we kill the king , albania r |
| 16:19.48 | Jepardi | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aozwR5w_700b.jpg |
| 16:19.59 | Imperios | ".hahahahaha idiot turk and bosnian smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE KEBAB FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. russia+usa+croatia+slovak=kill bosnia…you will ww2/ tupac alive in serbia, tupac making album of serbia . fast rap tupac serbia. we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of tupac… you are ppoor stink turk… you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurt" |
| 16:20.00 | Imperios | Dere |
| 16:20.01 | AdmiralPanda | dammit Monsoon |
| 16:20.10 | Xho | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140502210129/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png updated |
| 16:20.27 | AdmiralPanda | hey yurts are cool |
| 16:20.33 | AdmiralPanda | don't insult the yurt |
| 16:20.43 | Imperios | Xho: wait |
| 16:20.46 | Imperios | Is it just me |
| 16:20.49 | Monet | Unofrtunately a specific section of that video has been cut up and people have made gmod and edited videos called "remove X" |
| 16:20.56 | Imperios | Or do the Dalmiri cover larger territory than the Empire of Man |
| 16:21.06 | Xho | Dalmiri have been around for 10,000 years |
| 16:21.12 | Imperios | Still pretty weird |
| 16:21.19 | Imperios | After all so were other humans |
| 16:21.22 | Imperios | I like the melody itself, I even learned the lyrics |
| 16:21.37 | Xho | And they probably have an equal sized territory looking at it |
| 16:22.01 | Monet | My point is thanks to the "remove X" meme I had no idea what the lyrics of the original song were. |
| 16:22.11 | Imperios | It's a Serbian patriotic song |
| 16:22.18 | Monet | I know now |
| 16:22.20 | Imperios | When I see a meme I usually research it thorougly |
| 16:22.38 | Monet | Tried that with doge, still partially clueless |
| 16:23.55 | Imperios | Monet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_b3us2D1M |
| 16:25.19 | Imperios | I should use the "remove kebab" phrase in my fiction |
| 16:25.36 | Imperios | My main empire in the Fictionverse is made out of kebabs after all |
| 16:25.52 | Imperios | My main female Fantasy character is a kebab too |
| 16:27.08 | Monet | All I can work out of doge is someone attached a shiba inu to Bad English and the name comes from a word said by the namesake and resident total moron of Homestar Runner. |
| 16:27.59 | Imperios | there should be an English version of Lurkmore |
| 16:28.12 | Hachiman | There is; 4chan |
| 16:28.27 | Imperios | 2ch is the Russian version of 4chan |
| 16:28.33 | Imperios | Lurkmore is a wiki devoted to memes |
| 16:28.41 | Imperios | Like Encyclopedia Dramatica but more cultured and sophisticated |
| 16:29.10 | Imperios | It's that kind of place where the history of Ancient Egypt would be described in lolcatspeak |
| 16:29.46 | Xho | dear lord |
| 16:33.07 | Imperios | Like, it has a perfectly normal page that described the Egyptian pyramids and then their influence on popular culture |
| 16:33.11 | Imperios | And then a picture like that shows up |
| 16:33.12 | Imperios | http://lurkmore.so/images/b/bc/62f5d70180_148563.jpg |
| 16:33.41 | drom | imperios: soviet captialist russia is no threat |
| 16:33.57 | drom | It's like a harmless puppy |
| 16:34.00 | Imperios | drom: Putin will prove you otherwise |
| 16:34.14 | Imperios | We are in process of making you give bak our clay at the moment |
| 16:34.55 | drom | Taste our treads of glourious nationalism |
| 16:35.17 | drom | glorious* |
| 16:35.24 | Imperios | fuk |
| 16:35.29 | Imperios | Where's my 282 article |
| 16:35.39 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://lurkmore.so/images/2/23/Love_macht_frei.jpeg |
| 16:36.47 | Imperios | http://www.russian-criminal-code.com/PartII/SectionX/Chapter29.html dere |
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| 16:37.37 | Imperios | Hi |
| 16:37.57 | Monet | Hi |
| 16:37.59 | Cyrannian | Hello. |
| 16:38.47 | Imperios | Xho: I'll call them the Arkheinic languages |
| 16:38.56 | Imperios | After PIE for "Arkhein" which is "to begin" |
| 16:39.56 | Monet | I'm starting to wonder what the world would be like if that small vocal proportion of the United States stopped acting like their nation was purposely put there by God to command over the entirity of the human race. |
| 16:40.32 | Hachiman | Then somebody else would |
| 16:40.44 | AdmiralPanda | ^ |
| 16:41.11 | AdmiralPanda | assuming nobody on earth was a dick, the world would be a very different place though |
| 16:41.14 | AdmiralPanda | unfortunately, duality |
| 16:41.24 | Hachiman | Humans are shit, thus I dream of dolphins |
| 16:41.32 | Imperios | Monet: I listened to Obama's speech recently |
| 16:42.38 | Imperios | It had that "white man's burden" feel, except that the white man is now the American man |
| 16:42.41 | drom | Hachiman: Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy, hoh! |
| 16:43.19 | Monet | Hachiman: I think the Middle East are trying that |
| 16:43.34 | Imperios | And so are we |
| 16:43.40 | Monet | The whole "God's nation" thing |
| 16:43.59 | Imperios | Essentially he was like ""THE REST OF THE WORLD IS UNCIVILISED, WE MUST LEAD THEM BECAUSE WE ARE SUPERIOR AND WE MUST BEAR THE WHITE MAN'S BURDEN" |
| 16:44.32 | Monet | Imperios: At least russia is doing it (as far as I can tell) with a secular tone |
| 16:44.39 | Imperios | yeah |
| 16:44.42 | Monet | America is all "it's God's will!" |
| 16:44.56 | Hachiman | I don't believe in God so there are no "God's nation(s)" for me; just a bunch of land masses populated and unfortunately dominated by technologically-advanced monkey children |
| 16:45.46 | Imperios | If there is an entity that originated the universe, I doubt that he or she or it thinks that one nation has the sovereign right to own the world |
| 16:46.05 | Imperios | I think I have become more religious recently |
| 16:46.31 | Hachiman | Even if one nation did have the right to own the world, it's still just one quarter of a speck of a speck within a vast cosmic ocean |
| 16:46.53 | Imperios | Yes |
| 16:47.04 | Imperios | Though until FTL is developed, our world is our universe |
| 16:47.09 | Imperios | or at least our solar system |
| 16:47.51 | Hachiman | Lets hope FTL isn't developed so that shitty humans can't bring their plague elsewhere |
| 16:48.31 | Imperios | The world works according to a certain set of laws that can be brought down to a certain system. What if that system has an originator of some sort? We can create virtual worlds governed by certain laws and the holographic principle *IS* a valid scientific theory... |
| 16:48.42 | Imperios | That's just me thinking |
| 16:48.48 | Imperios | I should read Kant |
| 16:49.20 | Imperios | Humanity cannot be shitty by definition, Hachi |
| 16:49.27 | Imperios | We have no sentient species to compare to |
| 16:49.34 | Imperios | *sapient |
| 16:49.53 | Hachiman | We're monkeys that are using tools to fight over whose dick is bigger |
| 16:50.02 | Imperios | And before you mention dolphins, they are in fact an extremely violent species |
| 16:50.09 | Imperios | If they had the ability to build tools, they were as bad |
| 16:50.29 | Imperios | *would be |
| 16:50.42 | Hachiman | The system does have an originator, btw; some star that went supernova quadrillions of years prior |
| 16:51.01 | Imperios | Ahem |
| 16:51.24 | Imperios | The very mention of the word "star" and "supernova" does already imply that the system already existed at that point |
| 16:51.34 | Imperios | *has already |
| 16:51.59 | Hachiman | Our sun isn't one of the first |
| 16:52.08 | Imperios | I am not talking about suns |
| 16:52.12 | Imperios | I am going deeper than that |
| 16:52.22 | AdmiralPanda | puts on his Oluap cap |
| 16:52.26 | AdmiralPanda | can we not talk about religion pls |
| 16:52.33 | Imperios | I am talking about the four universal forces and quantum mechanics and the likes |
| 16:52.55 | Imperios | with all our knowledge we can never know *why* they came to be |
| 16:52.57 | AdmiralPanda | eh w/e |
| 16:53.06 | Hachiman | There is no *why* |
| 16:53.12 | AdmiralPanda | doesn't need to be a reason why |
| 16:53.13 | AdmiralPanda | it happened |
| 16:53.13 | Hachiman | We're just a cosmic mistake |
| 16:53.14 | Imperios | At beast we can bare all the systems to one single law |
| 16:53.22 | Imperios | That in itself is a *why*, Hachiman |
| 16:53.27 | Hachiman | That's a *how* |
| 16:53.31 | Hachiman | Not a *why* |
| 16:53.32 | AdmiralPanda | then there's your answer |
| 16:53.39 | Hachiman | *Why* implies purpose |
| 16:53.47 | Imperios | The lack of purpose is a purpose in itself |
| 16:53.54 | AdmiralPanda | anyway, all I care about is being a decent person as much as possible, while accepting the duality of existence |
| 16:53.56 | Imperios | And if the universe was created accidentally |
| 16:54.11 | Imperios | Then what were the probabilities that created that accident? |
| 16:54.25 | Imperios | I just went full Rades mode now |
| 16:55.10 | Imperios | Hachiman: BTW by "we" do you mean "humanity" or "the universe" |
| 16:55.26 | Hachiman | Universe and ourselves |
| 16:55.37 | Hachiman | Cosmic coincidences and mistakes |
| 16:55.50 | Imperios | There was no mistake, the laws of physics are certain |
| 16:56.09 | Hachiman | Imp, shit in space breaks the laws of physics everyday |
| 16:56.15 | Hachiman | Dark matter, black holes, etc |
| 16:56.18 | Imperios | That shit forms |
| 16:56.22 | Imperios | In accordance to the laws of physics |
| 16:56.34 | Imperios | Black holes are the places with high gravity |
| 16:56.49 | Imperios | Ourselves, we developed according to the laws of physics that formed molecules that formed DNA that formed proteins that formed flesh and thus formed us |
| 16:57.06 | Hachiman | And that was just a result of coincidence |
| 16:57.11 | Imperios | Indeed |
| 16:57.30 | Imperios | Coincidence created by a certain system |
| 16:57.50 | AdmiralPanda | I'll go back to my brightly lit darkness, see you guys later :P |
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| 16:58.13 | Imperios | That's not an argument, that's a cosmological dispute |
| 16:59.02 | Hachiman | Still, there is nonetheless no underlying or overlying sovereign intelligence, the laws of physics were not *designed* |
| 16:59.04 | Monet | Personally I like the idea that it took 4 billion years of chance and circumstance to lead to humans |
| 16:59.21 | Imperios | >the laws of physics were not *designed* How can make you such a bold assumption? |
| 16:59.30 | Imperios | They exist |
| 16:59.33 | Imperios | Sure |
| 16:59.39 | Monet | Billions of years of trial and error and adaptation has led to the birth of a species that can alter the world in a way no other animals beforehand could. |
| 16:59.47 | Imperios | And an explanation for them can *never* be given |
| 16:59.52 | Monet | To mt this is fucking amazing |
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| 17:00.09 | GD12 | Hello |
| 17:00.12 | Wormy_away | hi |
| 17:00.16 | Hachiman | There is no big explanation to give behind the laws of physics, they're not a *product*, they're a *mistake* |
| 17:00.20 | GD12 | did you see the new section? |
| 17:00.30 | Monet | GD12: Reading now |
| 17:00.30 | Imperios | Hachiman: Mistake. Of whom? |
| 17:00.41 | Imperios | Mistake implies system |
| 17:00.56 | Imperios | A system cannot be created by a mistake in the systemless enviroment |
| 17:01.00 | Imperios | *in a |
| 17:01.11 | Hachiman | Fine, not a mistake, a coincidence |
| 17:01.17 | Wormy | Black holes don't break any physical laws, we just don't understand the quantum gravitational picture of them yet. |
| 17:01.19 | Hachiman | Things fell into place and happened to work that way |
| 17:01.29 | Imperios | >things implies system |
| 17:01.41 | Technobliterator | did you mean to say byproduct? |
| 17:01.42 | Hachiman | If you're going to get pedantic I'm gonna leave |
| 17:01.49 | Monet | "Land of the free and the home of the brave", More like "Land of the prideful and loyal under God and home of the nostalgic" |
| 17:01.52 | Technobliterator | but yeah |
| 17:01.55 | Wormy | Sorry, I'm just fascinated in this subject |
| 17:02.00 | Hachiman | Wormy: Not you |
| 17:02.09 | Wormy | Oh okay :D |
| 17:02.30 | Technobliterator | Imperios, I know I used to use it myself, but please don't use greentext in arguments like these, it makes you look condescending |
| 17:02.53 | Ghel | I have something to say on this topic of origins, but I'm a bit busy right now. I'll be back in a few minutes. |
| 17:02.56 | Monet | I do wonder if the US is butthurt it never got to experience the things Europe had over Christian history, so it pretends to be yet another successor of the Roman Empire. |
| 17:03.16 | Technobliterator | the US believes in freedom of religion |
| 17:03.19 | Technobliterator | they give the opposite |
| 17:03.23 | Technobliterator | which is absolutely hilarious |
| 17:03.25 | Wormy | In my opinion, the weak anthropic principle (that is laws of physics being the way they are due to probabilities) and a strong anthropic principle (that intelligence of some form created the universe) are actually both wrong |
| 17:03.47 | Wormy | The universe is a counter-intuitive place |
| 17:03.47 | Imperios | It's a philosophical debate, I am supposed to be pedantic, hur. What I'm saying is that speaking of any mistakes or coincidences imply that a certain system of things and laws had already existed at the time of law creation, meaning that they were derived but not created |
| 17:03.49 | Technobliterator | if Oluap were here he would probably stop this conversation, but I don't mind it, it's fine if it doesn't get heated |
| 17:04.14 | Imperios | But since we cannot prove each other wrong I shall end this discussion |
| 17:04.22 | Technobliterator | hm? |
| 17:04.24 | Imperios | Don't you agree it is an interested subject though, Hachi? |
| 17:04.30 | Monet | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/United_States_Capitol_-_west_front.jpg look at the US capitol building and tell me with a straight face it in no way looks like something from Ancient/15t century Italy. |
| 17:04.32 | Technobliterator | you can never prove anyone wrong |
| 17:04.41 | Technobliterator | you cannot prove a negative |
| 17:04.42 | Monet | 15th* |
| 17:05.11 | Technobliterator | if I were to tell you that a magical flying unicorn that only I can see visits me every night, then how can you prove I am wrong? |
| 17:05.31 | Wormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.45 | Wormy | I'm curious, what is your reason behind this epistemological gap? |
| 17:05.58 | Imperios | Well my logic is that |
| 17:06.15 | Wormy | Intuitions care often false my friend |
| 17:06.17 | Wormy | *are |
| 17:06.19 | GD12 | Ahh are we having a philosophical debate? |
| 17:06.22 | Imperios | One can in theory explain every single thing in the universe by one single law |
| 17:06.30 | Wormy | No |
| 17:06.40 | Hachiman | If you say "God" you're dum |
| 17:06.44 | Imperios | But the origin of this law, one cannot understand because by doing so one will create another law |
| 17:06.46 | Wormy | That is reductionism, it only leads to an infinite regress |
| 17:06.55 | GD12 | Thats only under the assumption that the universe is derived from an axiomatic system |
| 17:07.00 | Wormy | Because we can never be 100% certain |
| 17:07.11 | Imperios | Hachiman: Why God? We cannot know that |
| 17:07.11 | GD12 | Furthermore there is also randomness in measurement and observation |
| 17:07.31 | Wormy | And there are emergent properties, working as explanations at every scale of reality. |
| 17:07.35 | Imperios | The idea of there being an intelligence behind the system of laws is a feasible one, though, considering how we create worlds ourselves |
| 17:07.40 | Wormy | Layered explanations |
| 17:07.41 | Hachiman | Because there is no How is it feasible |
| 17:07.57 | Hachiman | One sec got two messages mixed up |
| 17:08.32 | Wormy | Feasible, but at the same time, it is an infinite regress, and if it doesn't explain those laws any better, I cannot agree tha\t is a better explanation |
| 17:08.48 | Wormy | But there are other views |
| 17:09.23 | Wormy | I myself am neither a reductionist or a holist, both are useful but not entirely true |
| 17:09.57 | Wormy | There is the Constructor Theoretic view http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22469-theory-of-everything-says-universe-is-a-transformer.html |
| 17:10.34 | Imperios | When we create worlds by ourselves, through simulation, we create it in accordance to certain laws. Could perhaps this universe be like that too? |
| 17:10.47 | Wormy | For example, computation is important to the universe, but it cannot be placed as the most fundamental aspect. It is emergent and has a special relationship with physical law. But it is not causing physical law |
| 17:10.58 | Imperios | I cannot be certain in it because by definition such things cannot be understood but I think it is an interesting idea |
| 17:11.10 | Imperios | That's the view Lewis held, for example |
| 17:11.14 | Ghel | Right. I'm back now. |
| 17:11.22 | Wormy | You are right that we cannot be 100% certain of anything |
| 17:11.30 | Imperios | One way or another, faith is the fundamental part of human nature |
| 17:11.37 | Wormy | But that is not a blow to knowledge |
| 17:11.46 | Technobliterator | gravity is still a theory |
| 17:11.50 | Technobliterator | people don't really deny that |
| 17:11.50 | Hachiman | Imperios: Umm no it isn't, if it was why are there atheists |
| 17:11.59 | Wormy | In fact, it is uncertainty that powers the growth of knowledge |
| 17:12.03 | Imperios | Even the so-called atheists believe in things, what are we talking about is another crypto-religion |
| 17:12.21 | Imperios | First of all, they *poke into the area about which we know nothing about and claim there is nothing there* |
| 17:12.32 | Technobliterator | uh |
| 17:12.36 | Imperios | I would compare it to a cell claiming that it is - or is not - a part of a large organism |
| 17:12.46 | Technobliterator | that's not true |
| 17:12.48 | Wormy | Jo: The theory of gravity is hard vary, so closer to the truth than the angel theory of planetary motion, so yes |
| 17:12.50 | Technobliterator | atheism is the lack of a belief |
| 17:12.57 | Technobliterator | it is not a belief that nothing is there |
| 17:13.05 | Imperios | Strong atheism is |
| 17:13.12 | Imperios | Weak atheism, it's a bit different |
| 17:13.17 | Technobliterator | but we're not discussing strong atheism, we're discussing atheism |
| 17:13.22 | Wormy | I'm an apathetic atheist, I don't actually care |
| 17:13.25 | Xho | Oh god here we go |
| 17:13.31 | GD12 | ngh |
| 17:13.33 | Imperios | Also, atheists believe in certain ideals and codes |
| 17:13.40 | Monet | Technobliterator: it is a belief that dieties do not exist |
| 17:13.47 | Imperios | Adore celebrities, or political figures, et cetera et cetera |
| 17:13.48 | Monet | Still a belief |
| 17:13.57 | Hachiman | No, Monet, you're wrong |
| 17:13.58 | Wormy | I'm sticking to the physics philosophy, not sure about this |
| 17:13.58 | Ghel | Technically, there's no such thing as the "theory of gravity". There have been multiple theories of gravity: Newton's, Einstein's, etc. |
| 17:13.58 | Imperios | You cannot escape faith |
| 17:14.01 | Technobliterator | except it isn't |
| 17:14.07 | Hachiman | It is a belief that the supernatural AT ALL doesn't exist |
| 17:14.09 | Xho | Oh god stop this discussion already |
| 17:14.15 | Technobliterator | Do atheists have beliefs, and to an extent, faith? yes |
| 17:14.19 | Imperios | Hachiman: False |
| 17:14.24 | Ghel | But there have also been multiple theories of disease: miasma, germ, etc. Gravity is only a theory if disease is only a theory. |
| 17:14.26 | Xho | It's a colossal argument waiting to happen |
| 17:14.27 | Technobliterator | but atheism is not a religion, in the same way silence is not music |
| 17:14.28 | Imperios | Buddhists are atheists yet they believe in supernatural |
| 17:14.41 | Wormy | Ghel: Yeah, I was just simplifying. They are all approximate to the next theory that is even closer to the truth |
| 17:14.46 | Monet | I think the confusion here is that when I say "belief" it could be interpreted as the kind of belief found in organised religion |
| 17:14.57 | Imperios | Jo: It is not religion, no, but even an atheist probably believes in something |
| 17:14.57 | Technobliterator | oh wait |
| 17:14.59 | Technobliterator | I was wrong |
| 17:15.02 | Technobliterator | "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." |
| 17:15.11 | Technobliterator | apparently I read a completely different definition of the word |
| 17:15.12 | Technobliterator | huh |
| 17:15.15 | Hachiman | Huh |
| 17:15.19 | Hachiman | I must've read the same |
| 17:15.29 | Imperios | A set of morals, laws, a code or a creed, the perfection of a certain human figure |
| 17:15.30 | Technobliterator | because "atheism" is just "no theism" |
| 17:15.38 | Imperios | I for example believe in... hm... let me think |
| 17:15.40 | Technobliterator | well |
| 17:15.48 | Technobliterator | suppose that makes me agnostic then |
| 17:15.56 | Ghel | There's also implicit atheism, which is the lack of a belief in the existence of deities not due to rejection, but due to never having encountered the concept. |
| 17:16.02 | Wormy | And not only do I lack belief, I lack a care to believe. Faith isn't part of my psychology. My mind demands exploration and explanation. |
| 17:16.04 | Imperios | I am agnostic but that means I believe that such things can't be understood |
| 17:16.09 | Imperios | I still have a faith |
| 17:16.10 | Technobliterator | alternatively |
| 17:16.10 | Technobliterator | atheism |
| 17:16.11 | Technobliterator | ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit |
| 17:16.11 | Technobliterator | noun |
| 17:16.11 | Technobliterator | disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. |
| 17:16.21 | Technobliterator | fuck, didn't mean to spam the channel with that copypaste |
| 17:16.22 | Technobliterator | sorry |
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| 17:16.42 | Imperios | suicide hur |
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| 17:16.45 | Technobliterator | hi |
| 17:17.06 | Ghel | I was also going to comment on the original topic of the origins of the laws of physics, but the discussion's drifted so far away from that I wonder if there's any point. |
| 17:17.15 | Wormy | Ghel: I want to know |
| 17:17.26 | Wormy | That is what I'm interested in here |
| 17:17.27 | Ghel | All right. |
| 17:17.50 | Monet | Agnosticism is when you are unconcerned over the question of whether or not dieties exist |
| 17:18.22 | Imperios | rite, it's so crazy |
| 17:18.24 | Ghel | I think that's apatheism, Monet. :P |
| 17:18.26 | Technobliterator | I don't know, and it does not impact my daily life, and I most definitely will not claim to have certain knowledge. which is why I am agnostic |
| 17:18.34 | Imperios | I guess we should just get bored |
| 17:18.36 | GD12 | My personal religious system is called Apatheticism and it's main tenet is not giving a shit about religion period |
| 17:18.37 | Imperios | *should just chill our |
| 17:18.44 | Technobliterator | brb |
| 17:18.48 | GD12 | not complaining about it |
| 17:18.50 | Imperios | Before we accidently find out some truths that humans were not meant to know |
| 17:18.54 | GD12 | and not trying to argue about it |
| 17:19.05 | Imperios | And then Cthulhu awakens and devours our brains |
| 17:19.14 | Imperios | rite |
| 17:19.22 | Imperios | I hereby close this argument with this picture |
| 17:19.24 | Wormy | GD: Sounds like mine |
| 17:19.25 | Imperios | http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn8/CandyCake3/P4110010.jpg |
| 17:19.48 | GD12 | nao since we've argued read the damn sechshun hur |
| 17:19.50 | Ghel | Here we go: When it comes to the origins of reality, there must have been one (or more) "first thing(s)": a singularity, a deity, eleven-dimensional membranes, the universe itself, whatever. This first thing must either have had a beginning - in which case it came from nothing - or it didn't - in which case it's existence stretches infinitely far in the past (so long as the concept of "past" has meaning, which is a whole other topic |
| 17:20.16 | Imperios | Xho: http://zona-oboev.ru/images/oboi/yumor/shrek_pereigral_world_of_warcraft.jpg |
| 17:20.36 | Technobliterator | Imperios, "<Imperios> Before we accidently find out some truths that humans were not meant to know" urm, what do you mean? |
| 17:20.56 | Imperios | It was a joke hur |
| 17:21.02 | Ghel | Some people might prefer for this "first thing" to be an intelligent (or otherwise) creator, as opposed to some universal seed with the laws of physics pre-packaged. This is certainly conceivable. As long as it's not testable, it's purely philosophy and not science, but that's besides the point. |
| 17:21.06 | Wormy | Ghel: There are theories where at a certain past, doesn't taken any meaning. Like Conformal Cyclic Cosmology and Hawking-Hartle theory |
| 17:21.15 | Technobliterator | oh ok |
| 17:21.30 | Technobliterator | wasn't sure I understood your point |
| 17:21.31 | Wormy | which I like because they challenge our intuitions |
| 17:21.58 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BA-%D0%A8%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BA-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B4%D1%81-%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B-700286.jpeg Now let us not talk about religion and check this out instead hur |
| 17:22.12 | Ghel | The point is that, violations of observations notwithstanding, there isn't really any reason to prefer any "first thing" over another. It could be a deity, it could be the laws of physics, it could be anything. |
| 17:22.29 | Ghel | But whatever it is, there will be a "first thing" that has no deeper explanation. |
| 17:22.36 | Wormy | Could be an n dimensional cellular automoaton |
| 17:22.38 | Imperios | praises Ghel |
| 17:23.04 | Imperios | You are hereby the Holy Prophet of our new True And Only Faith, the Firstthingism |
| 17:23.09 | Ghel | Even if you want to go crazy and assume that the universe is the result of a time loop, that just makes the entirety of space and time the "first thing". |
| 17:23.10 | Imperios | or rather |
| 17:23.10 | Wormy | ngh |
| 17:23.13 | Imperios | The Primoessentialism |
| 17:23.35 | Imperios | Prima essentia = first thing |
| 17:23.47 | Wormy | All of these theories assume time flows however |
| 17:23.51 | Ghel | "Primoessentialism" does sound better than "Firstthingism". |
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| 17:23.55 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 17:23.57 | GD12 | hi |
| 17:24.00 | The_Randomness | Hello everyone |
| 17:24.06 | Imperios | converts the_Randomness in primoessentialism |
| 17:24.12 | Technobliterator | random, I just completed FFX :D |
| 17:24.12 | Wormy | It could just be that the entirely of spacetime is determined and a fixed/static object |
| 17:24.14 | The_Randomness | u wot m8 |
| 17:24.18 | The_Randomness | Technobliterator: Nice :D |
| 17:24.26 | Technobliterator | gonna defeat the superbosses soon |
| 17:24.29 | Technobliterator | but yeah, FFX's amazing |
| 17:24.35 | Wormy | *entirety |
| 17:24.38 | The_Randomness | dat ending |
| 17:24.42 | Technobliterator | yeah :'( |
| 17:24.44 | The_Randomness | 3good5me |
| 17:24.52 | Technobliterator | well, to be fair, I didn't like Tidus :D |
| 17:24.57 | Ghel | Wormy: Exactly. That's also the case in which we could consider the whole of spacetime to be the "first thing". For a non-standard definition of "first". :P |
| 17:25.09 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 17:25.13 | Technobliterator | anyway; full thoughts (and thoughts on other games) here http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator |
| 17:25.16 | Wormy | I wouldn't favour any theory about the origins of the laws of physics yet. Maybe one day we can. |
| 17:25.31 | Technobliterator | (obviously in the "My Final Fantasy life" header) |
| 17:25.32 | drom | Hell, KSP should have something like this. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/620334 |
| 17:25.42 | Technobliterator | brb |
| 17:25.58 | Ghel | Maybe. But that's just because, as I said, it currently lies outside the realm which our scientific methods can explore. |
| 17:26.39 | Wormy | I think amongst the weirdest though, is that intelligence (physical) evolves in the universe, observes it and makes it real. Or perhaps, ends up simulating a new universe, so that universes exist because simulations nest each other eternally |
| 17:27.06 | The_Randomness | "observes it and makes it real" - ugh pls no |
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| 17:27.19 | Wormy | Of course, such an explanation may actually be counter-intuitive, far beyond our notions today |
| 17:27.50 | The_Randomness | waptor |
| 17:27.59 | GD12 | hi |
| 17:28.19 | drom | hai |
| 17:28.59 | Wormy | I think for the moment, I feel slightly biased towards the spacetime block picture, perhaps extended to fit other universes. Whether or not other laws of physics exist in it, I don't know |
| 17:29.18 | Wormy | But David Deutsch brings up an interesting point |
| 17:29.33 | Hachiman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.57 | Wormy | The charge of the electron can be predicted to be the same all over the universe, without us needing to explain a cause. |
| 17:30.26 | Wormy | Maybe causality is in some way false, though I can't remember the subtleties of the argument |
| 17:30.48 | Wormy | If the laws of physics determine everything, and there is no such thing as motion |
| 17:31.05 | Wormy | you end up with this picture |
| 17:31.30 | Wormy | No beginning, no end, no causation |
| 17:31.39 | Wormy | And nothing else exists |
| 17:32.41 | Wormy | Though as we agreed, we cannot really favour any origins yet |
| 17:33.27 | Technobliterator | returns |
| 17:35.28 | Xho | such science |
| 17:35.32 | Xho | very headache |
| 17:35.51 | GD12 | much doge |
| 17:36.13 | The_Randomness | wow |
| 17:36.16 | Wormy | I find scientific ideas liberting/beatiful/epic, but thats just me |
| 17:36.38 | The_Randomness | Math and science are both beautiful things |
| 17:37.04 | Xho | I dunno |
| 17:37.07 | GD12 | For some reason I'm horrible at most experimental things |
| 17:37.26 | GD12 | Math and theoretical science are beautiful but i'm just very bad at experiments |
| 17:37.31 | Xho | I for one prefer music and visual art |
| 17:37.41 | Wormy | According my lecture, there are cognitive and psychomotive people |
| 17:37.44 | Monet | So after all these years here I decided to find out the cause of the Asgord Genocide, since it caused a massive shockwave in the KG perspective of extragalactics |
| 17:38.26 | Wormy | Us cognitives love hypotheses, ideas, thinking, we just aren't great at producing things with it likes works of art or experimental science |
| 17:38.32 | The_Randomness | What have you come up with Monet? |
| 17:38.47 | Wormy | I'm terrible at tool use |
| 17:38.53 | Monet | And from what I can tell...the trigger was due to an idiot diplomat. |
| 17:39.07 | Wormy | I look like an idiot with one |
| 17:39.10 | GD12 | lezia? |
| 17:39.16 | Monet | GD12: Nope. |
| 17:39.20 | Monet | Avexia |
| 17:39.24 | The_Randomness | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoorCommunicationKills |
| 17:39.25 | GD12 | i c |
| 17:40.04 | Xho | Using physical contact as a means to communicate friendliness goes down well with about 0.00000000000001% of the universe |
| 17:40.39 | Monet | Xho: She also showed no respect when brought before Aoblix of the Tralor |
| 17:41.52 | Monet | Apparently Asgord diplomats are trained to believe that waving to your sovereign alongside saying "hi" and calling an emperor with an ego as large as Aoblix's as "Mr Aoblix" |
| 17:42.00 | Monet | Is completely fine |
| 17:42.03 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 17:42.36 | Xho | http://fedgeno.com/meme-generator/memes/191.png Replace with Nu and it's relevant to the conversation |
| 17:42.40 | Monet | I'm not talking about when you're part of a crowd, I'm talking being personally brought beforer them |
| 17:42.53 | GD12 | hu |
| 17:43.43 | Monet | Also from the language of his guards I'm surpised she figured that Aoblix accepting a proposal for an allliance was likely. |
| 17:44.08 | Monet | Oh wait, Asgord |
| 17:45.06 | Monet | Also the best way to act polite among aliens is to act in a manner that they are used to |
| 17:45.27 | Monet | In other words learning a few customs goes a long way. |
| 17:46.51 | The_Randomness | At the very least be familiar with how that society deals with formality |
| 17:47.22 | Monet | So as far as I could tell, the Genocide could have been avoided - or at least the damage lessened - if Avexia hadn't gone ot Lanat Prime under the belief that everyone has the same customs as the Asgord. |
| 17:47.40 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 17:47.49 | Cyrannian | I for one enjoyed Avexia being tortured by the Tralor. |
| 17:48.19 | Xho | Irsk did have a great skill in making convincingly irritating characters |
| 17:48.26 | Xho | No one ever came that close |
| 17:48.32 | Xho | Not even with Sollow |
| 17:48.40 | Monet | Sollow came sorta close |
| 17:48.48 | Xho | Almost |
| 17:49.48 | Monet | Just found another good: Aoblix told Avexia that to the tralor petting = rape and she says otherwise. |
| 17:50.23 | Wormy | GD12 just wrote this, really epic carnage when the DCP's and Tyranny's finest fight each other http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#The_Siege_of_Horatorio |
| 17:50.25 | Xho | I wonder during the days of the Kicath Empire whether they abducted Asgord citizens and threw them to Agents as target practice |
| 17:50.47 | Xho | Wormy: Was an impressive story |
| 17:51.28 | Monet | Asgord: The only race in the universe where people don't mind their spaient rights being violated. |
| 17:51.33 | Monet | sapient* |
| 17:52.09 | Monet | A shame I wasn't on the site back then. |
| 17:52.44 | Monet | Although considering how mind-breakingly irritating the Asgord were, the ITN would probably have decided against PoWs |
| 17:52.53 | The_Randomness | ITN? |
| 17:52.59 | Cyrannian | Imperial Talon Navy |
| 17:53.04 | The_Randomness | o |
| 17:54.03 | Xho | So what are the Asgord doing now |
| 17:54.07 | Xho | Are they extinct or something |
| 17:54.15 | Monet | No idea. |
| 17:54.37 | GD12 | i think they're under CyraEmp? |
| 17:54.47 | Monet | Technically, yes |
| 17:54.59 | GD12 | I think I made a non-canon Asgord overseer once hur |
| 17:55.11 | GD12 | just for kicks |
| 17:55.51 | Monet | I remember when the Imperium visited the core worlds of the FRA the Asgord dignitaries forced open the shuttle door and clamboured in to pet the Imperial delegates. |
| 17:55.56 | GD12 | hur |
| 17:56.06 | The_Randomness | O_o |
| 17:56.39 | Xho | Dear lord |
| 17:56.58 | Xho | Asgord apocalypse is scarier than a zombie apocalypse to be sure |
| 17:57.22 | GD12 | aye |
| 17:58.22 | Xho | Where the hell is Oluap anyway |
| 17:58.30 | Cyrannian | If you look at the Asgord's hands, it looks like a pet from one would be incredibly painful. |
| 17:59.10 | Monet | Yeah those hands look more designed for tearing off flesh. |
| 17:59.20 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 18:00.27 | GD12 | dats the ectoknight hand hur |
| 18:00.29 | Hachiman | Oluap's at his dad's place |
| 18:00.51 | Xho | Oh right he said |
| 18:01.40 | Monet | Wow |
| 18:02.17 | Monet | When the Deathmarch attacked one of the early colonies, the Asgord response was to throw parties |
| 18:02.27 | The_Randomness | I don't even |
| 18:02.31 | Monet | And fight the enemy off with happy rays |
| 18:03.26 | Monet | Around 150 Asgord decided to go into a disco venue and party |
| 18:03.38 | Monet | None of them stood a chance |
| 18:03.40 | The_Randomness | Did disco die that day? |
| 18:03.42 | The_Randomness | Good |
| 18:07.34 | Monet | I am no questioning the Tokzhalan Empire's decision to give the Kraw Empire quantum replicators, transphasic torpedoes and nonphasic shielding |
| 18:07.37 | Monet | now* |
| 18:08.04 | Monet | It's pretty obvious that the Genocide is the pure fault of the Asgord |
| 18:09.03 | Imperios | Technobliterator: We and Hachi were brainstorming ideas |
| 18:09.11 | Technobliterator | hm? |
| 18:09.20 | Imperios | We came up with a race of Anti-Mages |
| 18:09.33 | Technobliterator | lmfao |
| 18:09.41 | Technobliterator | brb |
| 18:09.54 | GD12 | random thought, next week will be the Tyranny's 2 year anniversary |
| 18:10.57 | GD12 | Should also be the start of the Mirus Campaign if things go on schedule this week |
| 18:14.20 | Imperios | Xho: We and Hachi thought of making the Silver Elves a precursor race of anti-mages |
| 18:14.24 | Imperios | Does that fly with you? |
| 18:15.09 | Hachiman | This "race of Anti-Mages" would be Silver Elves; an elven precursor race active during the time of the Oris that developed the first means of opposing magic and despised the idea of gods and theism |
| 18:15.29 | Imperios | Yep |
| 18:15.37 | Imperios | You could describe it like that |
| 18:15.49 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 18:16.06 | The_Randomness | wb |
| 18:17.08 | Ghel | Monet: Mazipnos's decision - which is probably still canon, albeit now as the Girdo rather than Tokzhalan Empire (technically the same thing since his name is now Mazipnos Tokzhalat) - was basically to allow the Kraw to... I can't quite remember. |
| 18:17.51 | Ghel | The original idea was most likely because it would could more destruction in a war of godspawn versus godspawn. That may still be the motivation, if the deal was done in secret. |
| 18:17.56 | Ghel | would cause* |
| 18:18.41 | Monet | I'm reading the stage where Mazipnos got pissed after the KrawFed used transmat technology more liberally than he would have liked |
| 18:21.20 | Hachiman | Okay nobody's in the idea abandon ship |
| 18:21.28 | Hachiman | Silver Elves off the table |
| 18:23.08 | Imperios | I don't think Xho is even here now |
| 18:23.30 | The_Randomness | Steam says he's playing Spore |
| 18:23.51 | Imperios | c |
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| 18:23.55 | Imperios | Let's wait for him |
| 18:23.59 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 18:24.37 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 18:24.48 | Hachiman | Well nobody else is taking interest |
| 18:24.52 | Hachiman | So it doesn't matter |
| 18:28.41 | Imperios | That is what happens most of the time with ideas |
| 18:28.44 | GD12 | hi |
| 18:28.44 | Imperios | just ask Monet |
| 18:28.56 | GD12 | TekDroid did you see the newest AD sechsun? |
| 18:29.11 | TekDroid | Which one? |
| 18:29.30 | GD12 | siege of horatorio? |
| 18:29.58 | TekDroid | Then no I haven't |
| 18:30.51 | GD12 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#The_Siege_of_Horatorio |
| 18:31.03 | GD12 | 6 pages (word doc) of Tyranny DCP carnage |
| 18:31.15 | TekDroid | lol |
| 18:36.04 | Hachiman | Yeah I'm not gonna continue brainstorming for Silver Elves |
| 18:36.17 | Hachiman | Nobody's interested so it's a shit premise |
| 18:36.37 | Hachiman | And Fantasyverse has too many precursors already |
| 18:36.55 | Hachiman | That and it probably counters Xho's Ori history somehow |
| 18:38.27 | Imperios | dammit I already made one in Spore |
| 18:38.40 | *** join/#sporewiki Patriot868 (44e35645@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.227.86.69) |
| 18:38.51 | Patriot868 | Hi |
| 18:38.54 | Hachiman | Thought you said you were gonna wait hur |
| 18:39.29 | Xho | Well |
| 18:39.32 | Xho | I like the idea |
| 18:39.44 | Xho | I just dunno if it's too face-value when the elves are silver |
| 18:39.55 | Imperios | face-value? |
| 18:40.01 | Xho | I dunno |
| 18:40.02 | Imperios | Well we're going to call them Adamantine Elves |
| 18:40.08 | Imperios | I just don't catch your meaning |
| 18:40.19 | Hachiman | Xho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr6eFl7hCiA |
| 18:40.31 | *** join/#sporewiki Angrybirds (18071d3f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.7.29.63) |
| 18:40.41 | Xho | "This reminds me of an orgy I once had." |
| 18:41.28 | Xho | Well when I mean face-value |
| 18:41.30 | Xho | Them being silver |
| 18:42.04 | Angrybirds | We were working on this yesterday, if anyone wants to contribute: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order |
| 18:42.04 | Hachiman | Elves are multicoloured in general hur |
| 18:42.15 | Imperios | As in why they'd be silver |
| 18:42.20 | Imperios | Elves are technicolor, remember? |
| 18:43.35 | Xho | Bah screw it let them be silver |
| 18:43.37 | Hachiman | http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/amber-reveals-lyme-disease-older-humanity |
| 18:44.08 | Xho | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531184334/spore/images/5/5b/Kithworto2800.png New Kithworto model |
| 18:44.24 | Hachiman | all dat armour |
| 18:45.57 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531184518/spore/images/d/dc/KithwortoOutside.png And Kithworto again |
| 18:46.44 | TekDroid | GD12: Interesting section. Practically a one-up between you and Wormy. :P |
| 18:46.48 | Monet | I like the sleek and somewhat organic look to his armour. |
| 18:47.06 | GD12 | not really a one up thing since i wrote that battle scene hur it wasnt an rp |
| 18:47.12 | GD12 | but aye hur |
| 18:47.14 | GD12 | very over the top |
| 18:47.28 | GD12 | Patriot868 Angrybirds : DCP Tyranny shenanigans on a 6 page word doc land battle http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#The_Siege_of_Horatorio |
| 18:47.36 | Hachiman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10305599_712420442154091_1491790671268563996_n.jpg |
| 18:47.44 | Angrybirds | Odere. |
| 18:47.46 | Wormy | The DCP's revenge coming soon |
| 18:48.14 | Xho | Hachiman: Kicath vs Draconis #32834: Gym |
| 18:48.16 | TekDroid | Yeah, that's the fun of Tier 1s. You can do ridiculous overkill and have it justified then get countered. |
| 18:50.51 | GD12 | aye hur |
| 18:51.28 | Xho | I've decided that Kithworto has retired from being a warrior |
| 18:52.23 | Xho | As well has his power in the Kicathian Remnant, which means I'll probably have to make a new leader for it |
| 18:52.55 | TekDroid | How come? |
| 18:53.37 | Xho | Well, for the most part Kithworto is tired of fighting |
| 18:56.16 | Monet | Uriel - You're welcome in my home any time |
| 18:57.02 | Patriot868 | GD12: Reading right now |
| 18:57.10 | Xho | I can see Nu taking advantage of that where it isn't due |
| 18:57.34 | The_Randomness | brb lunch |
| 18:57.42 | GD12 | I've also retconned in that the Grimbo overseers were in the bttle as well |
| 18:57.49 | GD12 | since i seemed to have forgotten that |
| 19:10.43 | TekDroid | Trivia: What word becomes plural when an "s" is added to the end, then singular when you add a second "s"? |
| 19:11.10 | Cyrannian | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531191030/spore/images/7/74/Nua_Morbis.png - Nua Morbis is the capital of the Cyrannian Empire within the Plazith Rim. |
| 19:11.29 | Xho | TekDroid: The only one I can think of is Prince |
| 19:11.53 | TekDroid | Xho: That's it. |
| 19:12.01 | Xho | yoy |
| 19:12.32 | Ghel | I would have gone for a word that ends in "-less", but taking the last two letters turns it into a singular noun. |
| 19:13.20 | Ghel | But then again, you'd need a "-less" word that's a noun in the first place. |
| 19:14.49 | Ghel | Cyrannian: Those plants in the background must be nearly the size of a Star Destroyer! :D |
| 19:14.59 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 19:15.51 | Monet | Looks very well defended |
| 19:16.08 | Monet | Good attention to detail on the turrets |
| 19:16.37 | Wormy | GD: Section coming soon |
| 19:19.14 | The_Randomness | Oh wow, those turrets really do look good. |
| 19:20.39 | TekDroid | Great job Cyr. |
| 19:22.10 | Cyrannian | Thanks, I'm making a few galactic capitals. The next one is the Imperial Andromedan capital. |
| 19:22.30 | Monet | Oooh |
| 19:22.45 | The_Randomness | Cyrannian: Will it be shiny? |
| 19:22.57 | GD12 | ngh how does one make buildings |
| 19:23.02 | Cyrannian | No, it's rather hellish due to the planet's main inhabitants. |
| 19:23.05 | The_Randomness | Very carefully |
| 19:23.13 | GD12 | Wormy :awesome possum |
| 19:25.05 | Imperios | Okay so if we're working on the Silver Elves I made a short phrase in their tongue |
| 19:25.12 | Imperios | Adarakhin adkhemayari adarajam-ras adeva advaru adkolash. "By noone we unequivocally swear that none shall stop us from unmaking the false gods" |
| 19:25.25 | Cyrannian | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531192506/spore/images/f/f4/ImperialVartek.png - c |
| 19:25.40 | The_Randomness | :o |
| 19:26.13 | Cyrannian | Credit to Richardson for most of the buildings in that one. |
| 19:26.19 | Imperios | Literally it's something like "By no-one we un-[speak equivocally] no-one not-shall-stop-us to un-make the un-gods" |
| 19:26.27 | GD12 | nice |
| 19:26.41 | GD12 | I remember that the two first fictions I read on the wiki were the Vartekians and the Draconis |
| 19:26.44 | Xho | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=265803930 My face whenever we start talking about science |
| 19:26.44 | Imperios | Looks grimdark |
| 19:27.46 | Monet | Cyrannian: Those are some big statues |
| 19:28.08 | Monet | I do admire Richardson's skill. |
| 19:28.17 | Wormy | GD12, TekDroid, Angrybirds, everyone elsehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#Fire_in_the_hole.21 |
| 19:28.21 | Wormy | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Attero_Dominatus/Milky_Way_Campaign#Fire_in_the_hole.21 |
| 19:28.33 | GD12 | oshi |
| 19:28.54 | The_Randomness | ^ |
| 19:29.01 | The_Randomness | get rekt m8 |
| 19:29.32 | Imperios | Hachiman: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531192853/spore/images/0/06/Silver_Elf.png We probably won't use it but still |
| 19:31.06 | Monet | Cyrannian: A part of me does feel guilty that I may have pushed Vartekian importance in Andromeda to the side |
| 19:31.42 | GD12 | Right well i've read it |
| 19:31.54 | GD12 | Tyranny Comanders face would be in total jaw drop when they realize what has happened |
| 19:32.29 | Patriot868 | Damm, DCP plays to win |
| 19:33.37 | Cyrannian | Monet: Don't worry, it was inevitable when Richardson left. |
| 19:33.47 | Technobliterator | Xaltsa - LOL |
| 19:35.05 | GD12 | I have to think about what the Tyranny's next move will be |
| 19:35.28 | Technobliterator | they should 1v1 USO |
| 19:36.00 | The_Randomness | I don't think you would want that |
| 19:36.13 | Technobliterator | who, the dominatus or USO? |
| 19:36.27 | GD12 | I mean with respect to the Milky Way hur |
| 19:36.38 | GD12 | They don't have a next move after AD since they'll be ded |
| 19:36.45 | TekDroid | lol |
| 19:36.59 | Wormy | I love the using physics to provide a rule of cool |
| 19:37.00 | The_Randomness | My point is that you don't want to deal with dead things. |
| 19:37.04 | Technobliterator | Xaltsa - aw |
| 19:37.05 | TekDroid | Tyranny is rather screwed after that move. |
| 19:37.07 | Technobliterator | ah |
| 19:37.09 | Technobliterator | fair enough;p |
| 19:37.20 | Technobliterator | well |
| 19:37.29 | Technobliterator | they did it in FFX, result was Auron rekt face |
| 19:37.39 | The_Randomness | hur |
| 19:37.43 | The_Randomness | That's different though |
| 19:37.46 | Technobliterator | and Seymour did |
| 19:37.47 | TekDroid | It's fun when you can do epic destruction while still sticking to the laws of physics. :P |
| 19:37.50 | Technobliterator | but I 2 hit Seymour |
| 19:37.54 | Patriot868 | GD: is it ok if the Mirus campaign is the debut of all the new stuff I have been writing abut the past few days? |
| 19:37.57 | Technobliterator | seriously, my party were THAT overpowered |
| 19:38.00 | Wormy | Indeed |
| 19:38.10 | GD12 | Yeah |
| 19:38.14 | GD12 | hmm |
| 19:38.14 | Patriot868 | thanks |
| 19:38.24 | GD12 | is deep in thought over Tyranny's next MW move |
| 19:38.28 | Wormy | I must gives note to Ghelae, who helped me through the highly mathematical firewall paper |
| 19:38.44 | Patriot868 | I didnt even understand a single word in that paragrapg |
| 19:39.11 | Patriot868 | dont mind me though. I'm a historian, not a mathmatcian |
| 19:41.06 | drom | Ech, my game crashed. Lemme say: Hello. again. |
| 19:41.23 | Ghel | I still say it would have flowed better if you got rid of the reference to the Hamiltonian. :P |
| 19:41.36 | GD12 | hur |
| 19:41.37 | Wormy | Anyone get my reference? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Hannibal3.jpg |
| 19:41.46 | GD12 | damn you and all ur formalisms |
| 19:41.56 | drom | I wonder how NC would rank as in the GUO? |
| 19:42.10 | Wormy | I thought it would add to the technobabblyness |
| 19:42.40 | Ghel | If that's what you were going for, you certainly succeeded. |
| 19:44.03 | Patriot868 | the tau in a nutshell http://1d4chan.org/images/5/5d/1234622525817.jpg |
| 19:44.37 | GD12 | 403 forbidden |
| 19:45.07 | Wormy | Roger Penrose has a drawing of one http://i.stack.imgur.com/aD6zo.png |
| 19:45.49 | GD12 | yeh |
| 19:46.06 | GD12 | im somewhat familiar with the math for hamiltonians but i was surprised that was included in a fic section |
| 19:46.27 | Wormy | https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2168/1924331111_0442551da6_m.jpg |
| 19:46.37 | Ghel | That's not a quantum Hamiltonian, although the concepts are related. |
| 19:46.51 | GD12 | i mean hamiltonian stuff in dynamics |
| 19:47.19 | GD12 | because Hamiltonians and Lagrangians hur |
| 19:47.24 | Wormy | I've been introduced to them before actually, through reading Roger Penrose's books. And phase diagrams (important to geology) use them |
| 19:47.25 | Ghel | Yes. |
| 19:47.44 | TekDroid | scratches his head, confused |
| 19:47.53 | Ghel | The quantum Hamiltonian is just a mathematical operator that you can apply to a wavefunction to find out its energy. |
| 19:48.20 | GD12 | isn't that the Hamiltonian Operator? |
| 19:48.29 | GD12 | oh |
| 19:48.31 | Ghel | Yes, but everybody calls it the Hamiltonian. |
| 19:48.32 | GD12 | oh i c |
| 19:48.33 | Cyrannian | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531194731/spore/images/3/3d/Heleanorbis.png - Heleanorbis is the homeworld of the Heleanorians and the capital of Imperial influence in Borealis. |
| 19:48.52 | Wormy | Aren't Hamilton's equations using six dimensional phase space? |
| 19:49.02 | GD12 | I forgot the schrodinger equation but I do remmeber seeing the Hamiltonian Operator in it |
| 19:49.39 | Wormy | The bit I can't get my head over is how one point in the phase space represents "the entire state of a physical system" |
| 19:49.46 | Ghel | If E is the energy, H is the Hamiltonian operator, and u is the wavefunction, then the time-independant Schrodinger equation is: Eu = Hu. |
| 19:50.13 | Ghel | To make it time-dependant, you replace the energy with the energy operator, i hbar d/dt |
| 19:50.21 | GD12 | ahh i see |
| 19:50.30 | GD12 | yeah i forgot why i forgot it |
| 19:51.13 | Ghel | Wormy: Because it's fully determinstic, in classical mechanics, all you need to describe a particle is its position and its velocity. |
| 19:51.26 | Monet | Cyrannian: Now I feel sad the Draconis pulled out of Borealis |
| 19:52.05 | GD12 | I thought phase space described stuff in momentum and position |
| 19:52.11 | Monet | Kraw, Cyrannus, Borealis, i feel like the Di has this look now that if things in a galaxy aren't going their way they leave |
| 19:52.20 | GD12 | pr maybe im just dum |
| 19:52.27 | Ghel | GD12: With momentum being directly proportional to velocity. Either works. |
| 19:52.29 | Patriot868 | ok try this link instead GD http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2009/11/28/1f2710b54871b42460299ab5ef9e905a_18471.jpg__thumb |
| 19:52.33 | GD12 | makes sense |
| 19:52.41 | GD12 | p=mv durhur |
| 19:52.56 | Cyrannian | We could retcon their withdrawal from Cyrannus, since it doesn't seem very relevant to the current situation. |
| 19:53.52 | Wormy | That is why it is six dimensional, three positions and three momenta |
| 19:54.15 | Monet | We could yeah. I think the reason at the time that they left is they felt like they weren't welcome, the only real place that was true was Tyranus |
| 19:54.28 | Wormy | coordinates |
| 19:55.24 | Monet | And it seems ridiculous that an empire such as the Imperium would do a "pack up and leave" in reaction to the outspoken attitude of *one* politician |
| 19:55.32 | Cyrannian | Indeed |
| 19:56.11 | Monet | I think I was having a bad day |
| 19:57.35 | Wormy | Wait |
| 19:57.58 | Wormy | Ghel: What is the difference between a quantum hamiltonian operator and a hilbert space? |
| 19:58.35 | Ghel | A Hilbert space is the abstract space in which wavefunctions exist (I suppose it's roughly comparable to the phase space of classical mechanics in that regard). |
| 19:58.52 | Ghel | The Hamiltonian operator isn't a space at all; it's a function. |
| 19:59.18 | Wormy | Ah I see |
| 19:59.37 | GD12 | i do want to learn more analysis so i can figure out infinite dimensional hilbert spaces |
| 20:00.12 | Monet | The holographic cities that the Draconis left behind in Cyrannus could be retconned into tourist traps, bringing the core worlds appeal to Cyrannus |
| 20:00.24 | Wormy | So a single point in the hilbert space corresponds to the entire quantum state |
| 20:00.51 | Ghel | Not quite. A vector in Hilbert space. |
| 20:01.02 | GD12 | vector |
| 20:01.09 | GD12 | oh ghelae beat me to it |
| 20:01.20 | GD12 | | > |
| 20:01.26 | GD12 | bra-ket notation hur |
| 20:01.28 | Wormy | A complex vector space |
| 20:01.50 | Ghel | Yes, but that just means the numbers used to describe components of vectors can have i in them. |
| 20:02.00 | GD12 | aye |
| 20:02.02 | GD12 | hence complex analysis |
| 20:02.34 | Wormy | I remember reading about measurements |
| 20:02.40 | Cyrannian | I decided to uninstall ESO. I'll probably reinstall it when it inevitably goes F2P. |
| 20:02.52 | Imperios | So... it sucks, I assume |
| 20:03.05 | Wormy | And rotations from position to momentum state axes |
| 20:03.17 | Monet | Imperios: I recall hearing its mediocre |
| 20:04.44 | GD12 | bye lunch |
| 20:04.50 | Wormy | The bit I'm stuck with is in how to do these complex number weightings |
| 20:10.18 | Technobliterator | the subscription model in general sucks |
| 20:10.24 | Cyrannian | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531200943/spore/images/a/a4/GrandMandatorXiomana.png - Xiomena is an Aontas Grand Mandator representing the northern regions of the Outer Rim. |
| 20:10.27 | Technobliterator | I have no idea how FFXIV is surviving but it is |
| 20:11.58 | *** join/#sporewiki OfficerJackal (458b2eec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.139.46.236) |
| 20:12.03 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 20:12.10 | TekDroid | Hey OJ. |
| 20:12.20 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 20:13.23 | TekDroid | A F2P model with paid content is generally reliable as long as the line is reasonable. |
| 20:17.17 | TekDroid | The only really advantage to subscription is discouraging trolls. |
| 20:18.20 | Wormy | Even then, on STO, I rarely encounter them |
| 20:18.49 | The_Randomness | STO has a beautiful F2P system |
| 20:18.59 | TekDroid | Definitely. |
| 20:19.44 | Wormy | SWTOR's F2P system is meaner |
| 20:19.52 | Wormy | and put me off playing it |
| 20:20.00 | TekDroid | Probably the worst F2P system I've seen was when I played Club Penguin as a kid. You couldn't do anything without a membership. XD |
| 20:20.16 | Wormy | I visited CB wiki once |
| 20:20.20 | Wormy | Damn the rules |
| 20:20.27 | Wormy | was a tight place it was |
| 20:20.56 | Wormy | what |
| 20:21.01 | OfficerJackal | Hm? |
| 20:21.42 | OfficerJackal | TekDroid: Hey, speaking of which, is Club Penguin even still around? |
| 20:22.06 | TekDroid | Wouldn't know. |
| 20:22.06 | TekDroid | I think so. |
| 20:29.04 | Technobliterator | it is |
| 20:29.08 | Technobliterator | my sister uses it |
| 20:29.29 | Xho | I never knew you had a sister |
| 20:29.44 | Technobliterator | I do |
| 20:29.52 | Technobliterator | she's like, 7 or 8 years old |
| 20:30.08 | The_Randomness | darn kids |
| 20:30.16 | Technobliterator | her favourite game is FFV |
| 20:30.20 | Technobliterator | because of me and my cousin |
| 20:30.21 | Technobliterator | mwaha |
| 20:30.25 | The_Randomness | 10/10 |
| 20:30.30 | ImpyDroid | Xho: hm |
| 20:31.00 | ImpyDroid | What do you think would 'Dryadali' actually mean in High Elven |
| 20:31.12 | Xho | Hm indeed |
| 20:31.18 | Xho | 'Chosen' |
| 20:31.19 | Xho | Or something |
| 20:31.37 | Technobliterator | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order what's this? :o |
| 20:31.59 | ImpyDroid | 'Blessed Magically' perhaps? Anyway this could work |
| 20:32.07 | ImpyDroid | Now let me split it |
| 20:32.09 | Technobliterator | USO are most definitely a hyperpower, btw |
| 20:32.42 | ImpyDroid | Da-re-ad-al-i |
| 20:33.08 | Monet | Technobliterator: Other hyperpowers have dozens of political connections |
| 20:33.17 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator : Militarily, perhaps, though economically and politically they kind of did away with all of their advantages. |
| 20:33.20 | Monet | Or are tier 1/0 |
| 20:33.31 | Technobliterator | USO are tier 1/0 |
| 20:33.34 | ImpyDroid | Da-ad - blessing; al - participle; re - kin; i - genitive |
| 20:33.42 | Technobliterator | their economy is irrelevant, they are beyond economy |
| 20:33.49 | Technobliterator | political corrections is right though |
| 20:33.53 | ImpyDroid | *magic blessing |
| 20:33.55 | Technobliterator | *connections |
| 20:34.14 | ImpyDroid | So, magically blessed kin |
| 20:34.21 | Wormy | Yeah, I think political connections are a deciding factor in Angrybird's scale |
| 20:34.22 | Xho | Suppose it works |
| 20:34.40 | Technobliterator | oh |
| 20:34.43 | Technobliterator | then USO are nothing |
| 20:34.49 | Technobliterator | they are feared, but have no allies to speak of |
| 20:34.52 | Monet | I think what AB might mean with "economic advantages" is how much their economy dominates the gigaquadrant's trade channels |
| 20:35.59 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 20:36.33 | Technobliterator | they have no economy, so they have nothing to dominate the trade channels with |
| 20:37.07 | Technobliterator | is there a fixed image size in pixels of what a flag should be? |
| 20:37.11 | Monet | There's more to economic dominance than revenue |
| 20:37.24 | Angrybirds | I would classify the Dominion of the Xhodocto and USO as oddballs on the scale I'm using, since they method of conveying power isn't very compatible with the scale. |
| 20:37.44 | Wormy | Angrybirds: Don't want to put more work on you, would you ever add former empires? |
| 20:38.04 | Wormy | Krassio would have been a hyperpower in the past |
| 20:38.10 | Angrybirds | I've let people add whatever empires they wish, everyone can edit it. |
| 20:38.20 | Angrybirds | I attempted to take into account all forms of power projection, be it diplomatic, political, economic, and military. |
| 20:38.22 | Wormy | In fact Rambo were probably a hyperpower before the Dark Times |
| 20:38.29 | Technobliterator | one question |
| 20:38.41 | Technobliterator | why don't you put it in a table, instead of using bullet points and boldtexting? |
| 20:38.52 | Xho | I want to be a part of Gigaquadrantic Conflicts now |
| 20:39.01 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: I didn't think of that. |
| 20:39.04 | ImpyDroid | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Languages Added some stoof and quotes |
| 20:39.11 | Xho | But I don't know how since most of my fiction is vaguely active |
| 20:39.13 | Technobliterator | do you know how to add va-tables? |
| 20:39.19 | OfficerJackal | Tbh I think it looks just fine with the Boldtexting and Buletpoints. :/ |
| 20:39.25 | OfficerJackal | Bulletpoints.* |
| 20:39.31 | Monet | For example: The US economy is so integrated into the global market that if the US economy slumps, everyone else follows. |
| 20:39.38 | Angrybirds | Wormy: Yeah, that's a whole can of worms I didn't want to open. It was supposed to be a census for the year 2800, adding former empires just adds a whole new layer of complexity. |
| 20:39.45 | Technobliterator | could do it if you want |
| 20:39.56 | Wormy | Xho: I can imagine the Cult of the Deathmarch sweeping through at the end devastating its former enemies |
| 20:40.11 | Xho | Dominion - watchu got u got nuthin |
| 20:40.17 | Wormy | The DCP will be on the verge collapsing at the end of GC |
| 20:40.31 | Wormy | Thye Cult could take them quickly at that point |
| 20:40.42 | Xho | I should mention it's the Dominion now |
| 20:40.51 | Monet | Xho: What about involving the Kicath Empire? |
| 20:40.53 | Wormy | Oh yes |
| 20:41.08 | Wormy | I forgot |
| 20:41.15 | Xho | Monet: Yeah that was going to be something along the lines of a war between the Remnant and Empire |
| 20:41.19 | Wormy | Cuz u need to get more active |
| 20:41.43 | Xho | Which was sort of why Tau and Psi went to the Milky Way, to prepare for it |
| 20:41.58 | Ghel | ImpyDroid: There are some beautiful quotes on that languages page. |
| 20:41.58 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: Do you think it would look better with va-va tables? |
| 20:42.09 | Technobliterator | va-va tables? :o |
| 20:42.16 | OfficerJackal | Va-va! :D |
| 20:42.18 | Monet | Xho: Why not do that then |
| 20:42.25 | ImpyDroid | Ghel: Which ones? And... wait |
| 20:42.28 | Monet | Or there's a possibility of DI vs Empire |
| 20:42.32 | ImpyDroid | You express an opinion |
| 20:43.02 | Technobliterator | if you mean va-tables, I do, I can do it if you want in a bit |
| 20:43.19 | Wormy | Va-va? |
| 20:43.21 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator : I must've read something wrong. If you want to reformat it, sure, I just think it looks fine right now. |
| 20:43.32 | Technobliterator | alright |
| 20:43.48 | Technobliterator | I will reformat it after I have made USO's flag |
| 20:44.34 | Xho | Monet: It's a matter of me actually getting around to doing it |
| 20:44.56 | Xho | ImpyDroid: Guess I need to add stuff to that page then |
| 20:45.49 | ImpyDroid | We both should |
| 20:46.48 | Xho | “EVIL SOUNDS. BAD.” - Ophellatar |
| 20:46.51 | Xho | Sounds about right |
| 20:47.16 | Xho | Man this computer has gone slow |
| 20:47.25 | Xho | Downloading 125 songs might have something to do with it |
| 20:47.43 | Technobliterator | gah |
| 20:47.52 | Technobliterator | on GIMP, when I use bucket fill dark purple |
| 20:47.57 | Technobliterator | it just comes out as some grey shit |
| 20:48.21 | The_Randomness | Grey checkerboard pattern? |
| 20:48.49 | Wormy | Right I need to make a late dinner |
| 20:49.52 | Technobliterator | yeagh |
| 20:50.13 | The_Randomness | That's transparency |
| 20:50.18 | Technobliterator | well no |
| 20:50.20 | Technobliterator | I mean |
| 20:50.29 | Technobliterator | it's literally just dark grey and has no reason to be |
| 20:50.57 | Technobliterator | doesn't matter what color I do it in :| |
| 20:53.26 | The_Randomness | hmm |
| 20:53.39 | Wormy | looking for mushroom recipes, and found http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/north-korea-mushroom-sports-drink |
| 20:54.02 | The_Randomness | Technobliterator: What are your foreground/background colors? |
| 20:54.16 | Technobliterator | 8f3288 and 8f3288 |
| 20:54.29 | Technobliterator | (I just use hex colors because easier) |
| 20:54.31 | The_Randomness | Ok, those don't look like gray |
| 20:54.44 | The_Randomness | I know that just from looking at the hex :p |
| 20:54.51 | Technobliterator | lmao |
| 20:55.15 | Wormy | North Korea’s State Academy of Sciences is a sprawling network of institutes dedicated to all manner of state-endorsed research. Other discoveries in the KCNA list of “new inventions” include the creation of a new substance for “separating the shuttering from concrete by making use of leftovers from the processing of duck feathers and tanning.” |
| 20:56.19 | Ghel | North Korea is just as capable of international-quality science as any other country. |
| 20:56.21 | The_Randomness | Best Korea never disappoints |
| 21:02.00 | Xho | Bah |
| 21:04.06 | Technobliterator | hm |
| 21:04.11 | Technobliterator | can anyone make a flag plz? <3 |
| 21:04.46 | Xho | noh |
| 21:07.44 | Monet | Busy |
| 21:15.20 | OfficerJackal | I can't cause dum. |
| 21:15.22 | OfficerJackal | I dum. |
| 21:15.23 | OfficerJackal | XD |
| 21:15.46 | Technobliterator | I would do it if this thing was working |
| 21:16.36 | Angrybirds | OfficerJackal : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:NTZO.png |
| 21:16.56 | OfficerJackal | Angrybirds: Looks awesome! :D |
| 21:18.55 | Monet | Technobliterator: Pirate photoshop |
| 21:19.07 | Technobliterator | it does not work on linux |
| 21:19.23 | Angrybirds | Techno: I can help. What do you want it to look like? |
| 21:21.31 | Technobliterator | urm, one sec, lemme get the hex colors |
| 21:23.03 | Technobliterator | #68006B as the main color (dark purple), any kind of red for the other. Ideally, just something that looks...imperialistic? Or like destruction? So the silhoutte or a nuke blowing up works :D |
| 21:23.04 | Technobliterator | or a laser being fired |
| 21:23.07 | Technobliterator | just as long as it looks flaglike |
| 21:30.40 | Ghel | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
| 21:30.50 | *** part/#sporewiki Ghel (6daf8916@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.175.137.22) |
| 21:37.47 | Xho | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531213659/spore/images/5/57/KicathianRemnantEmblem.png Made this |
| 21:40.59 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531214027/spore/images/7/71/KicathEmpireEmblem.png And then the evil counterpart |
| 21:41.57 | Angrybirds | Technoliterator: How's this for a start? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ultimate_Sovereignty_of_Otzello.png |
| 21:43.51 | *** join/#sporewiki TekDroid (~TekDroid@24.114.63.109) |
| 21:44.39 | Monet | Xho: I approve |
| 21:44.58 | Monet | Both look quite techy |
| 21:45.57 | Xho | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140531214530/spore/images/0/0c/KicathianAgencyEmblem.png And then the Agents |
| 21:46.13 | drom | A friend of mine linked me a video of a Swedish CS:GO player reacting to a special rare item unbox. |
| 21:46.18 | drom | *Swedish pride!* |
| 21:46.56 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 21:46.56 | infobot | test is probably not funny |
| 21:48.50 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ultimate_Sovereignty_of_Otzello_2.png |
| 21:49.58 | Technobliterator | suh-weet! I love it :D |
| 21:50.00 | Technobliterator | will add |
| 21:52.03 | Technobliterator | anyway, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order reformated |
| 21:52.06 | Technobliterator | revert if don't like |
| 21:53.01 | Angrybirds | You might want to check how it turned out. |
| 21:55.33 | Monet | I have a thought for the divisioning |
| 21:56.02 | Technobliterator | looks |
| 21:56.05 | Monet | What if for each nation we had several colums: Extent, political influence, economic influence, size of military |
| 21:56.06 | Technobliterator | sees the immediate problem |
| 21:56.08 | Technobliterator | fixes |
| 21:58.08 | Xho | Monet: Sounds good to me |
| 21:59.09 | Angrybirds | Seems like a good idea, but what scale would we use? |
| 21:59.31 | Monet | Extent could be no. of colonies and number of galaxies, military could be personnel and warship numbers |
| 21:59.37 | Xho | Well, could go Weak - Very Strong for most of it |
| 21:59.50 | Xho | Weak - Intermediate - Strong - Very Strong |
| 22:00.07 | Xho | Or something like that |
| 22:00.30 | Angrybirds | Some of us don't have precise colony numbers, let along warship numbers. |
| 22:00.46 | Xho | Could just put an approximate |
| 22:00.49 | Monet | estimations then? |
| 22:00.56 | Angrybirds | Xho: If we do that, we could color-code them. :D |
| 22:01.14 | Monet | After all due to time scale the number of warships and personnel will obviously fluctuate |
| 22:01.28 | Monet | Political influence could be hmm... |
| 22:02.21 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: Tell me when you're done editing. |
| 22:02.36 | Technobliterator | urm, I'm done editing now |
| 22:02.47 | Angrybirds | Danke. |
| 22:02.48 | Technobliterator | also yes, we can color-code them easily |
| 22:04.22 | Monet | Economic influence could be areas where their cultural exports dominate |
| 22:05.58 | Monet | We can't go into exchange rates because we have stuff going on like 1 cyrannian cubit = 10,000 Farentego credits |
| 22:06.24 | Monet | Or something like that |
| 22:06.35 | OfficerJackal | Yeah. XD |
| 22:06.57 | Angrybirds | 1 Cyrannian cubit = a lot of Gilo. |
| 22:07.16 | OfficerJackal | 1 NCKU Credit = 0 of any form of currency in the Gigaquadrant. |
| 22:07.20 | OfficerJackal | XD |
| 22:07.25 | Xho | And then post-scarce societies |
| 22:07.45 | drom | If every fictionverse empire were elementary school/kindergarten kids, what kind/role would they be? |
| 22:07.53 | Monet | Xho: Not all post-scarcity societies give up on a currency |
| 22:08.01 | Xho | True |
| 22:08.15 | drom | OfficerJackal: I would say the same for AEC. |
| 22:08.16 | Angrybirds | France - We use a bunch of currencies. Our people don't, but the Gov' does. |
| 22:08.25 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order_(2800) |
| 22:08.26 | TekDroid | A lot of things are naturally scarce. |
| 22:08.54 | Xho | Kicath work with an external exchange system that is representative of their own economy |
| 22:08.55 | Angrybirds | [[Fiction:Gigaquadrantic Universal Order (2800)]] |
| 22:09.07 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Gigaquadrantic_Universal_Order |
| 22:09.09 | Angrybirds | Dum. |
| 22:10.10 | drom | Why is there no cellspacing? |
| 22:10.53 | Angrybirds | The census is supposed to be a snapshot in time before the Gigaconflicts, though, so I'm tempted to remove the Tyranny and any other defunct empires that are on there. Maybe the CIS, too. |
| 22:11.25 | Technobliterator | there is no cellspacing because I am lazy |
| 22:11.33 | Technobliterator | it could be added |
| 22:11.39 | Monet | TekDroid: Like seats on a transport |
| 22:11.51 | drom | I can do it. |
| 22:12.20 | Xho | But like I said the Kicath often micromanage their economy with protocol |
| 22:12.22 | drom | At the same time I put mine fiction in the list. |
| 22:12.32 | Xho | As in to who gets what, where, when and how |
| 22:13.16 | Monet | My point is without a standardised currency, rating an empire's GDP will give stupid numbers at either end |
| 22:13.26 | Xho | Hm |
| 22:13.28 | Technobliterator | well |
| 22:13.38 | Xho | Probably just easier to put N/A for the time being |
| 22:13.46 | Technobliterator | I didn't add it myself because I wasn't sure what kind of cellpadding people were interested it |
| 22:13.47 | Technobliterator | in |
| 22:16.09 | drom | blargh, I can't do this with CSS-style tables. |
| 22:16.31 | Technobliterator | huh? |
| 22:16.48 | Monet | Tables can be a pain to code up |
| 22:16.53 | Monet | So many lines... |
| 22:17.07 | Monet | Okay, now how do we rate political influence? |
| 22:17.08 | Technobliterator | tables are fucking ez mode |
| 22:17.28 | Xho | Could be like 1 - 5 or something |
| 22:17.30 | Xho | Or out of 100 |
| 22:17.32 | Xho | I dunno |
| 22:17.55 | Monet | If you're making a really big table you can't see half of the code because the screnn's not big enough |
| 22:18.29 | Technobliterator | just like you can't see half the code of any article? |
| 22:18.49 | OfficerJackal | I'm not sure we should use numbers, it would be too specific and hard to make with the political influence, I think we should just stick to general word descriptions. |
| 22:18.57 | OfficerJackal | Like "High" and "Medium" |
| 22:19.05 | Technobliterator | anyway, drom, I don't even think cellspacing is necessary |
| 22:19.22 | Monet | Technobliterator: That's different |
| 22:19.31 | Technobliterator | it's not, it's the same thing |
| 22:19.42 | Angrybirds | Monet: You could try word descriptions kind of how I did with the Arms Market? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AArms_Market |
| 22:19.49 | Xho | That was my original idea but I decided to change it |
| 22:19.52 | Technobliterator | you cannot see half of an article because the screen is the same thing |
| 22:19.56 | drom | I hate it when the text almost float together with the lining. |
| 22:20.03 | Monet | When coding tables I constantly find myself scrolling up and down just to make sure all the text is in the right place |
| 22:20.16 | Xho | Angrybirds: Hell what is that |
| 22:20.34 | Monet | Ad entry -> scroll down, add entry -> scroll up to make sure its in the right section |
| 22:21.16 | Angrybirds | Xho : A place where people can put their spore/fiction vehicles and equipment for sale on a universal weapons exchange. |
| 22:21.24 | Technobliterator | uhhh |
| 22:21.34 | Xho | Right |
| 22:21.39 | Technobliterator | why would it not be in the right line |
| 22:21.44 | Technobliterator | it is obvious where the row ends |
| 22:21.53 | drom | For me, the text blend almost together with the borders. So I have a hard time to read the descriptions. |
| 22:22.08 | Technobliterator | hardly, there's plenty of space |
| 22:22.10 | Xho | I would add the Kicath but it would look like the Kicath's tech would supersede most given what I would add |
| 22:22.10 | Monet | Drom's point exactly |
| 22:22.23 | Monet | 2/3 of any table's code is separation |
| 22:22.26 | Xho | I could just put accessible technology of course |
| 22:22.37 | Xho | Kicath don't have to allow their hi-tech stuff to others |
| 22:22.39 | Hachiman | hai again |
| 22:22.57 | Monet | Xho: We have stuff from the Intergalactic Republic on sale |
| 22:23.05 | Monet | Human Republic, sorry |
| 22:23.09 | Hachiman | Silver Elves look pretty cool |
| 22:23.17 | Angrybirds | Xho : Most people don't. The French, for example, are withholding their latest variants of their star creation, the Mirage Roi. |
| 22:23.28 | Xho | Kicath - still think u humans r all squishy |
| 22:23.41 | Angrybirds | Because they don't want to give away their technological advantage. |
| 22:23.41 | *** join/#sporewiki GD12 (43b4106f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.180.16.111) |
| 22:23.50 | GD12 | Hi everyone |
| 22:24.07 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 22:24.21 | Xho | What does ECM mean I must ask |
| 22:24.24 | Wormy | hi |
| 22:24.53 | GD12 | electronic counter measures |
| 22:24.55 | Angrybirds | Xho : Electronic countermeasures, the craft's resistance to being detected/locked on to by sensors and other targeting equipment. |
| 22:25.01 | Xho | Right |
| 22:25.01 | Monet | Technobliterator: Just once, can you not act like everyone else experiences something the same way as you do? |
| 22:25.12 | Technobliterator | ...what? |
| 22:25.26 | Angrybirds | Technobliterator: Look at the trivia at the bottom of the page. :D |
| 22:25.39 | Technobliterator | yeah I saw ^.^ thanks |
| 22:25.51 | drom | I somehow feel offended. Because I wear glasses, and I have problems with my vision. |
| 22:26.03 | GD12 | Great table |
| 22:26.20 | Monet | Drom said he has trouble coding up tables, your response was "tables are fucking easy". |
| 22:26.31 | Xho | Angrybirds: Will things like standard infantry armament and the likes be part of that list eventually |
| 22:26.32 | Technobliterator | which is exactly what they are |
| 22:26.33 | Technobliterator | they are easy |
| 22:26.44 | Monet | If they were so wasy then how come he's complaining? |
| 22:26.55 | GD12 | Xho : What list are we talking about? |
| 22:26.58 | drom | Technobliterator: Give me a (blam!) manual and we are done here. |
| 22:27.06 | Angrybirds | Xho : They can. You can make a firearms section. |
| 22:27.07 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AArms_Market These lists |
| 22:27.13 | Xho | Right I might do that |
| 22:27.14 | Technobliterator | "<Technobliterator> hardly, there's plenty of space" - was not even offensive, it was an opinion, if your a opinion is different, then okay fine? |
| 22:27.27 | Xho | Kicath have odd designation names for their technology I will have to point out |
| 22:27.32 | Xho | Mainly numerical things |
| 22:27.35 | Angrybirds | Xho: In fact, I was thinking of making a line of standard issue French firearms, so they'd go in there. |
| 22:27.42 | GD12 | ahh dat |
| 22:27.52 | Hachiman | drom: What was the problem with the tables? I wasn't here for the complaint |
| 22:27.59 | Xho | Well, I won't add anything until one figures out a system for them |
| 22:28.12 | Xho | I'd rather not implement a system myself because it's going to be different |
| 22:28.24 | Monet | Techno: It sounded more like you were stating a fact |
| 22:28.39 | Technobliterator | except I was not |
| 22:28.40 | GD12 | Weapon - Accuracy Damage Handling |
| 22:28.47 | GD12 | Then you can just put in the varying statistics there |
| 22:28.53 | Xho | Well that was quick |
| 22:29.05 | Xho | As a general rule with Kicathian tech their quality would be high |
| 22:29.07 | Technobliterator | drom, you can find plenty of 'manuals' for this stuff if you look |
| 22:29.19 | GD12 | you could also note things like ammunition capacity |
| 22:29.19 | drom | Hachiman: I'm having a hard time to read the descriptions. Because I have vision problems. I was looking for a way to expand the space between the text and the white borders. So I can easily differ them from each other. |
| 22:29.22 | Technobliterator | I would give you one but I don't have time now anyway |
| 22:29.35 | Technobliterator | so I will have a look tomorrow |
| 22:29.36 | Technobliterator | bye |
| 22:29.37 | Xho | Kind of an inherited technological affinity they have from the Vi'Navitum |
| 22:30.00 | GD12 | forces Xho to explain the physics behind his weapons |
| 22:30.01 | GD12 | jk |
| 22:30.11 | Angrybirds | Xho: Hm. Actually, I have an idea. Why not something out of a FPS? Something like type quality accuracy firing speed range projectile type |
| 22:30.22 | Xho | That could work |
| 22:30.25 | Angrybirds | firing speed* |
| 22:30.33 | GD12 | Quality is an aggegate of all of those though |
| 22:30.43 | GD12 | *aggregate |
| 22:30.47 | GD12 | or however you spell it |
| 22:30.47 | Xho | Is there a general page on the wiki for weaponry types |
| 22:30.56 | Xho | One seems to be made and then deleted |
| 22:31.17 | Monet | Draconis - Stoopid Kicath and your godtech-inherited quality |
| 22:31.28 | GD12 | Weapon : Overall Quality;Accuracy;Damage;Weight;Firing Rate;Ammunition Capacity;Projectile Type;Reliability |
| 22:31.30 | Xho | Kicath - u luv us rly <3 |
| 22:31.33 | GD12 | also |
| 22:31.35 | Angrybirds | Xho: Types, meaning "Autocannon," "LMG," "battle rifle," etc. |
| 22:31.37 | GD12 | ;Bling |
| 22:31.50 | GD12 | also ;Weapon Type |
| 22:32.07 | Angrybirds | Do you guys want me to make the table? |
| 22:32.26 | GD12 | fosho |
| 22:32.51 | Xho | Better if you do since you have a better idea |
| 22:33.05 | Xho | Does anyone know where that damn weapon type page is |
| 22:33.09 | drom | bling weapons |
| 22:33.19 | GD12 | Weight of the weapon should be a factor |
| 22:33.24 | GD12 | Xho : I couldn't find it either |
| 22:33.35 | GD12 | A juggernaut cannon would be very hard to handle |
| 22:33.40 | Xho | Kicath - nonsense |
| 22:33.44 | Xho | Well no |
| 22:33.46 | Xho | Nu - nonsense |
| 22:33.52 | GD12 | i mean for a human that is |
| 22:33.59 | Xho | Nu - nonsense *crush* |
| 22:34.03 | Monet | Human - How dafuk do I hold this! |
| 22:34.10 | GD12 | Human - Someone has a small penis |
| 22:34.22 | drom | Does this sound irrelevant? |
| 22:34.23 | drom | Only this empire's diplomatic and military power justify meaning of it's own power. Since they don't attempt to have a political influence over other empires. Like economy system is also isolated, as excluded. The culture could boost it's power, but it's too isolated and non-transperent to give a non-domestic influence. |
| 22:34.27 | Xho | Kicath - Yes that's in our biology deel wit it |
| 22:34.57 | Monet | I suppose the quality of Kicathian tech is countered by its price |
| 22:35.01 | Xho | Definitely |
| 22:35.12 | GD12 | Cost would be a great factor |
| 22:35.25 | Xho | You'd have to be a government official to cut a deal with a Kicathian arms dealer |
| 22:35.31 | Hachiman | rite time to get started on Aithrena and Adamantine Elf pages |
| 22:35.55 | Xho | So what does cost efficiency mean on that page |
| 22:35.56 | *** join/#sporewiki DrodoEmpire (188a1d68@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.138.29.104) |
| 22:36.01 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 22:36.02 | Xho | I suppose it means 'you get what you payed for' |
| 22:36.07 | Xho | payed |
| 22:36.08 | Xho | PAYED |
| 22:36.11 | Xho | paid* |
| 22:36.13 | GD12 | paid |
| 22:36.16 | Xho | Fucking hell that's a new one |
| 22:36.17 | GD12 | cost efficiency is bang for buck |
| 22:36.32 | Angrybirds | Xho : That, and operating costs. |
| 22:36.35 | Xho | Yeah Kicathian technology would vary on that |
| 22:36.46 | GD12 | cost′-effec′tive adj. producing optimum results for the expenditure; economical. |
| 22:37.02 | Angrybirds | Something with high cost efficiency would require little maintenance and fuel. |
| 22:37.14 | Angrybirds | Something with low cost efficiency would be a PAIN to field. |
| 22:37.22 | Angrybirds | But it could be very effective. |
| 22:37.53 | Angrybirds | I think something like the Tiamat is the epitome of low cost efficiency. |
| 22:37.57 | GD12 | aka most Dominatus weapons |
| 22:38.03 | GD12 | i was just going to say that |
| 22:39.00 | Xho | Since the Kicath are hugely alien their terminology might not mix well with human terminology |
| 22:39.32 | Monet | When working on a story with Xho, I gave a figure under the impression that Mimidian credits were worth more than Borealis Credits |
| 22:39.39 | GD12 | Gun with Dakka, Gun with more Dakka |
| 22:39.47 | Xho | That was tre |
| 22:39.49 | Xho | *true |
| 22:39.55 | GD12 | nomenclature problem solved |
| 22:40.00 | Xho | Then again the overall economic status of Borealis is lesser than that of Andromeda |
| 22:40.45 | Xho | Ah found it |
| 22:40.48 | Xho | That weapons page |
| 22:40.52 | GD12 | link pl0x |
| 22:40.54 | Xho | It's in Ghel's user thingamajigs |
| 22:40.57 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AGhel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff |
| 22:41.31 | Wormy | I'm watching Oblivion |
| 22:42.00 | GD12 | thats not the same dedicated weapons page iirc |
| 22:42.13 | Xho | I know |
| 22:42.58 | GD12 | aye i c |
| 22:43.46 | drom | ech, I'm going to publish dis |
| 22:44.00 | GD12 | id make another sechsun but going to watch godzilla soon |
| 22:44.49 | drom | det är natt, hejses! |
| 22:45.47 | Hachiman | hejsan drom |
| 22:46.55 | GD12 | soon enough we'll be at mirus hur |
| 22:48.22 | Angrybirds | Xho: How's this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arms_Market#Weapons |
| 22:48.52 | Xho | That works |
| 22:48.57 | Xho | I'll add some there then |
| 22:49.29 | DrodoEmpire | AngryBirds: I might add some Drodo firearms; I can imagine they'd be of good quality. :P |
| 22:50.19 | GD12 | I honestly think weight should be a factor |
| 22:50.32 | DrodoEmpire | ^ |
| 22:50.33 | GD12 | since we have different aliens using thse things |
| 22:50.39 | Angrybirds | That's a good idea, I'll add that in. |
| 22:50.43 | OfficerJackal | Yeah, I agree. |
| 22:50.57 | GD12 | we don't even have to do it in pounds or kilos |
| 22:51.00 | Angrybirds | I'll add "Bulk" to fuse both size and weight. |
| 22:51.01 | GD12 | we can just say heavy light etc |
| 22:51.03 | GD12 | yeah |
| 22:51.05 | GD12 | that makes sense |
| 22:51.51 | Monet | Nerd moment here but what about "ideal user dimensions"? |
| 22:52.07 | Monet | Imagine a Kicath buying a Miraage Roi |
| 22:52.31 | GD12 | Ideal User Height |
| 22:52.39 | GD12 | so we don't have to worry about weight or waistline |
| 22:52.40 | Wormy | Given posthuman size range |
| 22:52.55 | GD12 | like my 4 meter human overseeers hur |
| 22:53.01 | Monet | Kicath buts Mirage Rois -> Realises the seat is half his size |
| 22:53.04 | Wormy | I'm sure the French or whoever made it can change the seat size |
| 22:53.07 | Angrybirds | lol! |
| 22:53.40 | Angrybirds | Yeah, most alien Mirage Roi variants like the Drodo Imperial Mirage alter the size of the cabin to fit the race that uses them. |
| 22:54.16 | Monet | This is one of the reasons DI starfighters use remote piloting |
| 22:54.24 | Xho | I'm pretty sure hypermatter rifles exist right |
| 22:54.27 | Angrybirds | This is the FASAT-01, the French service rifle, by the way: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:FASAT-01.png |
| 22:54.28 | GD12 | yeah |
| 22:54.31 | GD12 | kalcedia has one |
| 22:54.31 | Xho | Kalcedia has one I'm sure of it |
| 22:54.49 | TekDroid | Human - *to human overseer* How the hell are you human? |
| 22:54.55 | Hachiman | Hm? |
| 22:55.15 | GD12 | aye hur |
| 22:55.22 | Hachiman | What's this Kal has hur |
| 22:55.39 | Xho | Hypermatter rifle |
| 22:55.42 | GD12 | A sex toy |
| 22:55.44 | GD12 | i mean a sniper rifle |
| 22:55.50 | TekDroid | ~tesr |
| 22:55.50 | infobot | it has been said that tesr is Things everyone should read: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/ Ask me about guidelines. |
| 22:55.50 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arms_Market Added two weapons |
| 22:56.03 | Monet | Although Kalcedia's rifle is designed to penetrate any target |
| 22:56.08 | Monet | Literally any target |
| 22:56.08 | Xho | dammit |
| 22:56.14 | GD12 | Xho |
| 22:56.17 | GD12 | accuracy = slow |
| 22:56.18 | GD12 | how dis |
| 22:56.23 | Angrybirds | So in terms of bulk, a sidearm would be very light, a personnel weapon would be light, something like an LMG would be Medium, MMG would be heavy, autocannon would be very heavy. |
| 22:56.30 | Xho | I missed something |
| 22:56.31 | TekDroid | I think I'm really lagging. |
| 22:56.32 | Angrybirds | This is by human standards *sorry* |
| 22:56.42 | GD12 | also |
| 22:56.46 | GD12 | bulk isn't exceptional |
| 22:56.55 | GD12 | and armor penetration isn' |
| 22:56.56 | GD12 | t long range |
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| 22:57.05 | GD12 | good is also not an ammunition type |
| 22:57.05 | Angrybirds | Sorry Xho. xD |
| 22:57.12 | Angrybirds | I changed the table on you. xD |
| 22:57.17 | Technodroid | Because I feel bad; |
| 22:57.34 | Xho | BAH |
| 22:57.49 | Angrybirds | Misc is for addons and design quirks. |
| 22:57.59 | Xho | Right |
| 22:58.00 | Angrybirds | Like aimbot. |
| 22:58.10 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arms_Market updated |
| 22:58.32 | Technodroid | next time you guys see drom, ask him if he knows about creating his personal css |
| 22:58.54 | Technodroid | if not; he needs to add "padding" to "User:Dromlexer/common.css" under the va-table class |
| 22:59.12 | Technodroid | should do what he wants |
| 22:59.48 | GD12 | I have a large amount of Tyranny weapons that could be available black-market post AD but I'm not sure they'd fit with the table |
| 22:59.53 | GD12 | *hand weapons |
| 23:01.48 | GD12 | also patriot seems to have added quite a bit of 40k into his hegemony section |
| 23:01.57 | Angrybirds | I should add a French autocannon. |
| 23:02.10 | GD12 | As it in has Stormlord Shadowsword and Land Raider |
| 23:02.12 | Angrybirds | Xho: I've been rather successful with this: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mirage_Roi |
| 23:02.14 | Angrybirds | :D |
| 23:02.14 | TekDroid | hand weapon or you-could-stick-this-on-a-heavy-tank hand weapon? |
| 23:02.15 | Xho | Bah edit conflict |
| 23:02.17 | Xho | I give up for now |
| 23:02.31 | Angrybirds | Xho : Sorry! |
| 23:02.46 | GD12 | well |
| 23:02.53 | Angrybirds | Xho: Just post your edit, I'll go back and redo what I did. |
| 23:03.07 | Xho | I posted yours hur |
| 23:03.11 | GD12 | the DT shocktrooper class (below overseers) which is most of it's infantry during Mirus Campaign (chiliarchs) are 4 meters tall |
| 23:03.21 | GD12 | that means a rifle for them would be twice as long as a human rifle |
| 23:03.40 | GD12 | assuming average human height is 2 meters |
| 23:03.52 | TekDroid | Human - their rifle is bigger than I am! |
| 23:04.06 | Monet | I suppose weapon/armour quality is another parallel Draconis and Kicath share |
| 23:04.23 | GD12 | an m16 is a meter long |
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| 23:04.31 | GD12 | so the chiliarch equivalent would be 2 meters long |
| 23:04.37 | GD12 | so yes, as tall as a human |
| 23:04.56 | TekDroid | And 2 meters is still a rather tall human. |
| 23:05.08 | GD12 | Patriot868 : I've noticed lots of warhammer in your superheavy vehicles |
| 23:05.09 | Xho | Right anyone editing that page now |
| 23:05.16 | Angrybirds | Not me. |
| 23:05.17 | Patriot868 | Ya |
| 23:05.19 | Monet | With Kicath quality comes from godrace heritage, with Draconis it comes from an innate perfectionism. |
| 23:05.24 | Patriot868 | I knwo |
| 23:05.28 | Patriot868 | *know |
| 23:05.29 | Angrybirds | Patriot868 : We just opened a weapons section on the Arms market, if you want to sell stoof. |
| 23:05.31 | GD12 | Kicath weapons would have similar propotions to my aformentioned Chiliarch weapon |
| 23:05.37 | Xho | Well Kicath are perfectionists as well |
| 23:05.39 | GD12 | since kicath are like 4 meters tall |
| 23:05.48 | Xho | They're just not very good with their promotional skills |
| 23:05.48 | Patriot868 | ok |
| 23:05.49 | Xho | At all |
| 23:06.11 | Xho | GD12: Probably |
| 23:06.19 | GD12 | thus kicath weapons wold probably be as big as humans as well |
| 23:06.21 | Xho | Kicath weapons are generally very sleek, thin and streamlined |
| 23:06.32 | Angrybirds | Patriot868 : Xho is probably editing the page now, though. |
| 23:06.39 | Patriot868 | ok |
| 23:06.43 | Xho | I'm not but I will |
| 23:06.45 | Patriot868 | I'll just look |
| 23:06.58 | Monet | Kicath - BUY MY GUN! Customer - Sto pshouting..... Kicath - BUY ITTTT |
| 23:07.05 | Xho | Exactly |
| 23:07.18 | Monet | This reminded me. |
| 23:07.46 | Hachiman | Wonder what I should call the Aithrena death priests |
| 23:07.50 | DrodoEmpire | Added a Drodo firearm; Will add more Drodo weapons later |
| 23:07.51 | GD12 | Patriot868 : you might want to note that the Tyranny will only begin deploying its heavy and super heavy things during the Mirus Campaign |
| 23:07.52 | Xho | Sacerdomortum |
| 23:07.58 | Monet | According to your diplomatic advisor in Tropico 5 Axis diplomats are *very* fond of shouting. |
| 23:08.07 | Patriot868 | I know |
| 23:08.09 | Hachiman | Aithrena don't use Latin hur |
| 23:08.14 | GD12 | So if your super heavys are a reaction to that you might want to wait till later in the mIrus Campaign if they're used as counters |
| 23:08.16 | Hachiman | Also I was thinking something more English hur |
| 23:08.25 | Patriot868 | Exactly |
| 23:08.38 | GD12 | anyway godzilla now |
| 23:08.38 | GD12 | bai |
| 23:08.40 | Angrybirds | DrodoEmpire: How does an assault rifle have medium armor penetration? |
| 23:10.33 | Monet | AP rounds as standard? |
| 23:12.19 | Monet | SOmehow I picture it quite normal in the wikiverse to fire supersonic rounds |
| 23:14.20 | TekDroid | Well with kinetic rounds the only real way to improve is more kinetic energy. |
| 23:14.40 | DrodoEmpire | Its already been resolved; I PM'ed AB about it. |
| 23:15.14 | Angrybirds | TekDroid , DrodoEmpire : The symbol of the future NTZO: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:NTZO.png :D |
| 23:15.30 | TekDroid | Awesome. |
| 23:15.59 | DrodoEmpire | Yes, very nice. |
| 23:16.21 | Angrybirds | Armor penetration is against tank armor, I think. Something like an average ATGM or a tank round would have Good armor penetration, while the high end of those would have Exceptional. |
| 23:16.41 | Angrybirds | Something the size of an autocannon would have Medium AP. |
| 23:17.02 | DrodoEmpire | Ehh... |
| 23:17.04 | DrodoEmpire | Fine. |
| 23:17.58 | Xho | Might add some ships or something now |
| 23:18.00 | Angrybirds | And personnel weapons like most assault rifles would have Poor AP, though they could probably still shred through most infantry armor excepting large armor suits like the ones used in Starcraft. What do you guys think? |
| 23:19.25 | Monet | Perhaps this is AP comparable to vehicles of its tech class? |
| 23:19.31 | DrodoEmpire | Apparently I'm not in any sort of position to argue that claim, so yes, I agree. :P |
| 23:19.44 | Xho | Artillery |
| 23:19.45 | Xho | Hm |
| 23:20.06 | Monet | Those rivet guns the Terrans use might make short work of an M1's armour, but the Zerg have chitin armour that resillient |
| 23:20.14 | DrodoEmpire | But I still think AP technology would have developed; Its pretty stupid to think that this is just modern warfare bumped up a few centuries. |
| 23:20.31 | Angrybirds | Yes, but armor technology would also have kept pace. |
| 23:20.35 | Xho | I dunno whether such things as Kicath artillery would work |
| 23:21.12 | Xho | I did say that had orbital cannons but that's a planetary destruction superweapon |
| 23:21.13 | Monet | Kicath artillery: When you absolutely positively have to annihilate every motherfucker within your lien of sight |
| 23:21.36 | Xho | Kicath wouldn't give out a weapon like that to anyone |
| 23:22.23 | Xho | I imagine anything vehicular from the Kicath is extremely scarce on the market |
| 23:22.44 | Xho | Fighters in the most common supply |
| 23:22.52 | Xho | Probably no starships |
| 23:25.10 | Angrybirds | We need a more comprehensive AP system... |
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| 23:25.35 | Angrybirds | What about, instead of a fixed value, we put what kind of armor it can penetrate? |
| 23:25.51 | OfficerJackal | Hmm, that might clear up a few things. XD |
| 23:26.05 | Monet | Could work, can you offer an example? |
| 23:26.39 | DrodoEmpire | Probably a better idea, yeah |
| 23:26.48 | Angrybirds | Something like the As Volant gunship's autocannon could puncture light vehicle armor" |
| 23:26.51 | DrodoEmpire | Well, for example it could punch through an armoured car well |
| 23:27.01 | Angrybirds | so we'd put "light vehicle armor" |
| 23:27.16 | Angrybirds | An ATGM could puncture a tank's armor, so we put "tank armor" |
| 23:27.37 | Angrybirds | A sniper rifle could puncture heavy infantry armor, so we put... You get the idea. |
| 23:27.56 | DrodoEmpire | Yeah. |
| 23:33.59 | Angrybirds | Edited. Xho , I'm so sorry, but can you go back and specify what types of armor your weapons can go through? |
| 23:34.02 | Angrybirds | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arms_Market#Weapons |
| 23:34.23 | Xho | BAH |
| 23:34.29 | Xho | k |
| 23:35.42 | Angrybirds | Should we put a complexity value, to indicate how easy it is to maintain/reload? |
| 23:35.46 | Angrybirds | Or are we good for now? |
| 23:36.58 | DrodoEmpire | We're good for now, I guess. |
| 23:40.24 | Xho | I put a tank on there |
| 23:41.23 | Xho | The speed is rather ludicrous but it was manufactured so it could manoeuvre Paclernos' desert plains |
| 23:41.32 | Xho | And any other desert plain in that matter |
| 23:41.46 | Angrybirds | 370 km/h. xD |
| 23:42.09 | Xho | Kicath - go fast or git gud |
| 23:42.56 | Monet | Jet-powered tank |
| 23:43.16 | Xho | Well it's a hover-tank by the most simple definition |
| 23:43.29 | Monet | That explains the speed....kinda |
| 23:43.31 | Xho | I'd ought to make it in Spore |
| 23:43.37 | Monet | Still sounds faster than a jet |
| 23:43.56 | Xho | 370 km/h is roughly 250 mph I think |
| 23:44.19 | Xho | Either way I would not want to be roadkill from that |
| 23:44.36 | Angrybirds | lol, a spore model helps. |
| 23:45.23 | Monet | As long as it doesn't travel over 761mph it's safe to travel near |
| 23:45.30 | Angrybirds | Xho : If you want to make images for your firearms, this should help: http://pimpmygun.doctornoob.com/app.php |
| 23:45.36 | TekDroid | . |
| 23:45.48 | TekDroid | whoops |
| 23:45.58 | Monet | 761mph being the speed of sound. |
| 23:46.22 | Monet | In 1 earth atmosphere at seal level specifically |
| 23:47.45 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 23:47.46 | infobot | i guess test is not funny |
| 23:58.48 | Monet | Call me a spoilsport but it look like Mcfarlene's film "A million ways to die in the west" looks like another satirical jab by McFarlene at how different the past was |
| 23:59.28 | Monet | "Dying by your own farts" was a genuine line I saw in one of their adverts |
