| 00:00.06 | TekDroid | lol |
| 00:00.22 | TekDroid | first season summarized. :P |
| 00:04.49 | Liquid_Ink | https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mboyccZKUx1qcbo9lo1_500.gif |
| 00:07.49 | Hachiman | olol |
| 00:50.04 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 01:12.06 | GD12 | Well that was a nice nap |
| 01:12.13 | GD12 | Hi everybody! |
| 01:12.13 | TekDroid | Hey GD12 |
| 01:13.17 | DrodoEmpire | Hey! |
| 01:24.53 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 01:25.36 | GD12 | cant wait till the weekend for more ad stoof |
| 01:25.50 | GD12 | one cannot rp duiring the weekday hurhur |
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| 02:37.15 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 02:37.23 | GD12 | Hello |
| 03:13.28 | TekDroid | Hello |
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| 03:55.23 | GD12 | hello |
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| 04:39.35 | AdmiralPanda | hello all |
| 04:41.08 | GD12 | Hello dere |
| 04:51.35 | AdmiralPanda | working on a neutral character to do stuff around the universe, like Kaios without the failings |
| 04:52.02 | GD12 | Ahh i see. |
| 04:52.19 | GD12 | Can't wait to see it |
| 04:52.24 | GD12 | *him/her/it |
| 04:54.43 | AdmiralPanda | thinking of making it androgynous, just for the luls |
| 04:55.04 | GD12 | Ahh i see |
| 04:59.37 | GD12 | Would the race as a whole be rather androgynous |
| 04:59.44 | GD12 | Or would that just be a specifc trait of this dood |
| 05:01.50 | AdmiralPanda | haven't quite decided, but most likely a personal choice either way |
| 05:02.07 | GD12 | i c |
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| 05:50.06 | Imperios | Hello everyone |
| 05:51.12 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
| 05:51.24 | AdmiralPanda | you'll be available for D&D again I presume? |
| 06:45.02 | Imperios | I hope so |
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| 08:01.59 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 08:03.52 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:03.56 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 08:40.29 | Ghelae | Because it's sunny in Britain today, I'm going to go and do some revision outside. Bye! |
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| 08:46.00 | Imperios | Sunny in Britain |
| 08:46.01 | Imperios | God what |
| 08:47.05 | Liquid_Ink | When I went there it was indeed sunny. Too sunny. |
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| 10:00.28 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:00.30 | Liquid_Ink | Welcome back. |
| 10:00.33 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
| 10:00.40 | Ghelae | I'm all right; how about you? |
| 10:02.13 | Liquid_Ink | Emotionally drain from the latest episode of a podcast I listen to. And not looking forward to school tomorrow. But otherwise fine. |
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| 10:03.43 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:03.54 | Liquid_Ink | HellO! |
| 10:05.12 | Technobliterator | hii |
| 10:20.37 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 10:23.12 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 10:24.14 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 10:24.34 | Liquid_Ink | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ex6MAtcOe8 |
| 10:58.29 | Ghelaway | BRB |
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| 11:01.13 | AdmiralPanda | hi all |
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| 11:05.19 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 11:28.05 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:28.57 | OluapWorker | hi |
| 11:29.45 | AdmiralPanda | hai u |
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| 11:36.39 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 11:40.23 | Knight_Alien | Hi |
| 12:07.20 | AdmiralPanda | I really want to start a small-scale RP series, got a few working ideas too, just we have stories in important parts plus running D&D |
| 12:09.35 | OluapWorker | are these fiction rps or D&D rps? |
| 12:10.10 | AdmiralPanda | fiction RPs |
| 12:10.22 | OluapWorker | rite |
| 12:10.56 | AdmiralPanda | I don't have time to make up two D&D campaigns even if one is tiny, what you on about :P |
| 12:11.41 | AdmiralPanda | I spent three hours working on a puzzle you guys bailed on because you didn't realise only one thing was different in the mirror's reflection, I can't do that for two campaigns XD |
| 12:12.39 | OluapWorker | I don't remember any mirrors at all hur |
| 12:12.53 | OluapWorker | Oh |
| 12:12.56 | OluapWorker | Oh now I remember |
| 12:13.04 | OluapWorker | What was that about anyway? |
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| 12:25.41 | OluapWorker | Writing the Robotic Uprising is kind of refreshing |
| 12:25.52 | OluapWorker | I'm writing a story about a deliberaly incompetent antagonist |
| 12:25.57 | OluapWorker | wh'os not a Loron |
| 12:26.00 | OluapWorker | who's* |
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| 12:27.48 | Hachiman | Hai |
| 12:27.52 | OluapWorker | hey |
| 12:28.02 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 12:33.13 | Technobliterator | ugh I hate javascript |
| 12:38.09 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lucario_of_the_Gods/Sandbox#Fantasy_Factions How does this kingdom look to people? |
| 12:38.24 | OluapWorker | ew humans |
| 12:40.39 | AdmiralPanda | OluapPlayer: basically there was this illusion on a room, to deactivate the illusion and get the loot all you had to do was move the lamp from one place to another |
| 12:40.56 | AdmiralPanda | the mirror revealed the room for what it really was, which gave you the info needed to figure that out |
| 12:41.20 | OluapWorker | Ah |
| 12:41.37 | AdmiralPanda | I recall you trying everything else I considered, up to and including shattering the mirror |
| 12:41.48 | OluapWorker | So Hatchy, Kolim and Tsedballs lost the chance for some good loot because they didn't move a lamp |
| 12:41.48 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 12:41.57 | AdmiralPanda | yep |
| 12:42.02 | Hachiman | dats sum bullshiii |
| 12:42.07 | OluapWorker | cause of ur stoopidity |
| 12:42.13 | OluapWorker | u made me loos shamblus |
| 12:42.15 | AdmiralPanda | I won't tell you what was in the chest because it'll make you sad :P |
| 12:42.28 | Hachiman | Was it the ability to resurrect Shambles |
| 12:42.35 | AdmiralPanda | shambles was alive at the time |
| 12:42.47 | Hachiman | Oh right |
| 12:43.03 | AdmiralPanda | well, as much as alive applies to an undead direwolf |
| 12:43.29 | AdmiralPanda | oh by the way, next level I get to start slapping Shadow Creature templates on things! (that's very, very bad for you guys :3) |
| 12:43.47 | AdmiralPanda | it's not that bad, it just makes me giggle |
| 12:43.51 | OluapWorker | I never got to scratch his ribs and watch him shake his femur |
| 12:44.11 | OluapWorker | >tfw no shambles |
| 12:44.41 | AdmiralPanda | hm, I'm probably gonna have to do a recap of the end of the last session some time, because it ended in a somewhat awkward spot |
| 12:44.51 | Hachiman | Oh? |
| 12:45.17 | OluapWorker | Snaketits was strangling Hatchy while everyone was eating popcorn |
| 12:45.42 | Hachiman | Geezush |
| 12:45.59 | AdmiralPanda | suffocation by cleavage ain't the worst way to go, all things considered |
| 12:46.17 | AdmiralPanda | better than being simultaneously shredded and dissolved by a purple worm |
| 12:46.32 | AdmiralPanda | but yeah, basically the party settled on a goal but without actually figuring out how to go about said goal |
| 12:47.58 | OluapWorker | As far as I know, our goal right now is "explore shit" |
| 12:49.56 | AdmiralPanda | last I knew the party had settled on helping Lillend restore the wayshrines of Desna, however no thought was put into how to actually enable her to do so |
| 12:50.22 | OluapWorker | I had no knowledge of that hur |
| 12:50.36 | Monet | So wait the group left without knowing where the other wayshrines were? |
| 12:51.39 | AdmiralPanda | you haven't left yet, you're still bumming around |
| 12:51.55 | AdmiralPanda | and Oluap, you're the only one who can actually speak to her, so Clotho most certainly knows :P |
| 12:52.06 | OluapWorker | She was showing us how the world looked like before it went to shit |
| 12:52.38 | OluapWorker | I thought we were talking to her just for curiosity sake, I didn't know we had a goal in mind |
| 12:52.45 | Hachiman | olol |
| 12:53.10 | Monet | This is strngely familiar |
| 12:53.56 | AdmiralPanda | my understanding of the events was, she showed you how the world looked, then said she could at least restore the wayshrines, and you guys agreed to help her do so |
| 12:54.21 | OluapWorker | I don't remember the last bit |
| 12:54.36 | AdmiralPanda | that was my understanding at least, I was up several hours later than normal and just running out of energy drink so that might have been me predicting future events getting mixed with memory |
| 12:55.27 | OluapWorker | Being depraved of sleep allows Panda to see the future |
| 12:55.49 | Monet | Probably, that or we unknowingly talked to Lillend while she had a giant exclaimation mark over her head. |
| 12:56.27 | OluapWorker | reminds me of Warcraft |
| 12:56.34 | AdmiralPanda | everyone with a name always has an exclamation mark over their head |
| 12:56.37 | AdmiralPanda | why else would they have a name? |
| 12:56.50 | AdmiralPanda | well, they may be trying to kill you |
| 12:57.02 | AdmiralPanda | but by league of legends logic they still have exclamation marks over their head |
| 12:57.36 | Monet | I was speaking WoW logic. |
| 12:57.45 | Monet | Exclaimation mark = quest giver |
| 12:57.54 | OluapWorker | I was correct |
| 12:58.31 | AdmiralPanda | I know |
| 12:58.57 | AdmiralPanda | league uses tiny exclamation marks as indicators that either neutral camps or lane minions are attacking you |
| 12:59.06 | Hachiman | Fucking goddammit |
| 12:59.09 | AdmiralPanda | ? |
| 12:59.13 | Hachiman | Bing why the fuck are you my search engine |
| 12:59.17 | AdmiralPanda | LOL |
| 12:59.18 | Hachiman | I was using fucking Google |
| 12:59.36 | AdmiralPanda | hugs Hachi and tells him it'll all be alright |
| 12:59.43 | OluapWorker | The wording of that was just perfect |
| 12:59.45 | AdmiralPanda | using bing doesn't make you a lesser person |
| 13:00.10 | AdmiralPanda | Oluap, you have the bad kind of dirty mind |
| 13:00.12 | Hachiman | It switched to Bing without me knowing |
| 13:00.25 | OluapWorker | I was talking about the Bing rant |
| 13:00.27 | OluapWorker | Not your hug |
| 13:00.35 | OluapWorker | You're the one with the dirty mind here |
| 13:01.43 | AdmiralPanda | your comment came right after my comment, so I assumed you were responding to me |
| 13:01.52 | OluapWorker | http://37.media.tumblr.com/ab04aa0cf99f48d918f312454959e436/tumblr_n0boquIkhH1tr79wjo1_250.gif Hatchy whenever Lillend is around |
| 13:02.24 | AdmiralPanda | Hatchy whenever half the decent boss enemies in my level 5-10 table are around |
| 13:02.28 | AdmiralPanda | seriously, half of them have tits |
| 13:02.47 | AdmiralPanda | in fact I'm going to go through and count how many have tits, just to prove a point |
| 13:03.30 | Monet | Better question: How many have tits compared to how many are capable of having tits? |
| 13:04.11 | AdmiralPanda | define capable |
| 13:04.19 | AdmiralPanda | because there are lots of things in this book that have space for tits |
| 13:04.40 | Hachiman | Right, turns out my comp downloaded a program called SearchProtect which meant instant Bing for my new page tab |
| 13:04.41 | Monet | As in "there is evidence of tits existing amongst that species" |
| 13:04.42 | AdmiralPanda | also, 22 out of the 40 monsters tagged as 'boss' in the 5-10 random list have tits |
| 13:04.44 | OluapWorker | Tits for the sake of tits are dum though |
| 13:04.59 | AdmiralPanda | Monet: in that case, same number |
| 13:05.33 | AdmiralPanda | in fact, seven of those 22 are asexual, their tits serve no purpose other than being tits |
| 13:05.57 | OluapWorker | That's the dum kind of tits |
| 13:06.34 | AdmiralPanda | given that 5-10 is the recommended level gap for a campaign, I think Paizo really wanted to get tits into their game |
| 13:06.39 | AdmiralPanda | but in a tasteful, pervasive manner |
| 13:06.49 | Hachiman | fuk taste gimme tits |
| 13:06.59 | OluapWorker | awful person |
| 13:07.09 | AdmiralPanda | nek minnit Hatchy dies because making out with succubus |
| 13:07.20 | Hachiman | u dun hav tits ur awful |
| 13:07.28 | OluapWorker | If that happens I'm not gonna bother reviving him |
| 13:07.38 | Hachiman | Course that's not gonna happen |
| 13:07.54 | AdmiralPanda | what's hilarious is if you can reliably make the fortitude saves to resist the negative levels from making out with said succubus |
| 13:08.08 | OluapWorker | Hatchy cheats on Clotholaire too much |
| 13:08.09 | OluapWorker | Makes me sad |
| 13:08.13 | AdmiralPanda | disable raid boss for entire fight + get to make out with succubus |
| 13:08.18 | Hachiman | hue |
| 13:08.29 | AdmiralPanda | snickers that his evil plan to drive the party apart is working |
| 13:08.31 | AdmiralPanda | I mean what |
| 13:08.56 | AdmiralPanda | but seriously, I actually did that whole thing with disabling a succubus just by not failing will saves |
| 13:09.58 | Monet | Hachi: Remember Cally? |
| 13:10.01 | Hachiman | I do |
| 13:10.07 | Hachiman | How could I forget Cally |
| 13:10.10 | OluapWorker | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ermitant_Empire/Robotic_Uprising#Attack_on_the_Laboratory this is what I've been working on for the last hour |
| 13:10.40 | Monet | I'm reading about how The Mittani managed to tear Band of Brothers apart from the inside |
| 13:11.00 | Monet | Want to hear how he did it? |
| 13:11.12 | Hachiman | Go ahead |
| 13:11.19 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: rite Imma read this |
| 13:12.58 | OluapWorker | Just so you know, Mindassa is the name of the goddess of the Ermitant |
| 13:13.03 | AdmiralPanda | I read this then go back to working on D&D stuffs |
| 13:13.46 | AdmiralPanda | this is a fairly tame campaign really, I don't have to do much to add roleplaying and combat opportunities for each party member to exploit |
| 13:13.49 | Monet | Well it all started with this guy called Agramar, who worked for a subgrup of BoB called Tin Foil Corp. Bored from being a director he created an alt called Iro Romana, which he used as means to do something exiting (by "do something exiting" I mean "blow random ships up") |
| 13:14.25 | Hachiman | OluapPlayer: Impressive, I like your extended description structure, wish the chapter itself could've been a bit longer but it was fine, I feel a bit sorry for the baby Errbots |
| 13:15.16 | OluapWorker | That was already longer than i'm used to hur |
| 13:15.44 | Monet | Anyway he raided a Goonswarm op out in nullsec and blew up this mining barge the Goons were targeting. He later, in a drunken state, announced who he was to an entire group. One of his rivals in Tin Foil called Kasimir revealed Iro's true identity to Tin Foil's board which got Agramar suspended as a director. |
| 13:15.47 | OluapWorker | http://i.4cdn.org/v/1400158644886.gif Koluap reloads his shotgun |
| 13:16.44 | AdmiralPanda | hur |
| 13:17.22 | Monet | Then the Mittani comes along while Agramar is moping and offers him a way he can get back at Tin Foil. |
| 13:17.45 | AdmiralPanda | "Right now I'm tossing up five ways to kill you with this bullet, none of which involve this gun and none of which take less than thirty minutes." - Well. |
| 13:17.53 | AdmiralPanda | That's one way to intimidate someone |
| 13:23.37 | Monet | Agramar goes back to Tin Foil and after grovelling gets his status at BoB reinstated. Meanwhile The Mittani has a front corp ferry BoB's assets to BoB's headquarters using an escort under his influence. Agramar uses his status as a BoB director to break up all of BoB's corporations, the killing blow being the fleet escort destroying all of BoB's assets which have been funneled into one place |
| 13:24.46 | AdmiralPanda | and this is why I don't play EVE |
| 13:24.53 | AdmiralPanda | and now I'm off to bed, see you guys later |
| 13:25.08 | Monet | Mittani and Agramar tricked BoB into preparing for an invasion at the wrong location. |
| 13:25.55 | Monet | And thus, the Mittani is responsible for dissolving Band of Brothers and destroying trillions of ISK in property with one deft stroke. |
| 13:27.22 | Hachiman | olol |
| 13:27.40 | Monet | There's probably a bit more to it but this is the best I can sum up right now |
| 13:29.18 | Monet | There's also something about how one of the prime reasons Agramar is reinstated is that his actions as Ivo were all a ruse by becoming a commander in Goonswarm |
| 13:29.34 | Monet | And thus BoB thought he was leading an invasion force to their deaths |
| 13:29.53 | Hachiman | EVE politics are complex hur |
| 13:30.44 | Monet | The Mitani is a one in a million kind of person I think |
| 13:31.00 | Monet | But yeah there is some complexity |
| 13:31.55 | Monet | For one if your corporation or alliance is above spyting or thinks infiltrating a corp is dirty or cheatworthy, you're playing the damn game wrong. |
| 13:33.29 | Monet | In the graphic novel i'm reading Mittani sums up Agramar's motivations for betrayal quite well: |
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| 13:34.06 | Monet | "The only people who really can't be trusted are those with nothing to lose" |
| 13:34.24 | drom | Greetings. |
| 13:34.27 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 13:50.59 | drom | Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/FMAa8At.jpg |
| 13:53.13 | Technobliterator | bbl |
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| 13:59.45 | Imperios | Hullo |
| 13:59.56 | Hachiman | hai Imp |
| 14:00.01 | Hachiman | Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lucario_of_the_Gods/Sandbox#Fantasy_Factions chek dis |
| 14:00.30 | drom | https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/993817_680444308654303_1302365068_n.jpg |
| 14:04.54 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10367602_827449033942776_3393974431451665431_n.jpg |
| 14:05.45 | OluapWorker | olol |
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| 14:21.35 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 14:24.00 | Quark8 | Hello. |
| 14:24.11 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 14:24.51 | Imperios | Hachiman: Seen dis |
| 14:25.10 | Imperios | An ice kingdom you have there |
| 14:25.11 | Imperios | . |
| 14:25.28 | Hachiman | dam u |
| 14:37.03 | Quark8 | Test |
| 15:12.59 | Technobliterator | test |
| 15:13.09 | OluapWorker | u failed |
| 15:14.45 | Technobliterator | ya dad |
| 15:14.54 | Technobliterator | does it show my name as "technobliterator"? |
| 15:16.09 | OluapWorker | Yes |
| 15:16.15 | Technobliterator | cool |
| 15:32.33 | drom | http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/595910305807348074/748FE1A3BAE721E118956EAD09AEF6C21143EE38/ |
| 15:37.20 | Hachiman | olol |
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| 15:41.19 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 15:45.10 | Ghelae | Hello. |
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| 15:58.30 | Wormy | hi |
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| 15:58.56 | Imperios_ | Hello! |
| 15:58.57 | Wormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.00 | Wormy | hi |
| 15:59.27 | Wormy | Tbh if it doesn't bother me I'm not having it extracted |
| 15:59.45 | Wormy | Can't stand the idea of surgury |
| 16:00.37 | Wormy | I've had baby teeth removed before though due to impacting teeth |
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| 16:08.20 | Wormy | hi |
| 16:08.39 | Hachiman | hai |
| 16:08.39 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 16:08.57 | OluapPlayer | hi |
| 16:24.19 | Imperios_ | Gay |
| 16:24.21 | Imperios_ | Gah |
| 16:24.25 | Imperios_ | Don't know what to do |
| 16:24.27 | OluapPlayer | u gay |
| 16:24.38 | OluapPlayer | Find paeg, finish paeg |
| 16:25.08 | Hachiman | Remake gnolls for me plz |
| 16:25.24 | OluapPlayer | That too |
| 16:27.00 | Imperios_ | Attractive, cute, animalistic? |
| 16:28.00 | Hachiman | Animalistic, tribal, shamanistic |
| 16:29.10 | Hachiman | I imagine Maori/indigenous African/Native American themes within the gnolls |
| 16:32.31 | Imperios_ | Gnolls? Hm |
| 16:32.37 | Imperios_ | I'll make them look http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lmG-2MA5L8c/TqYtqjVKniI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/3c8qcRhNUk0/s1600/hogger.jpg like dis |
| 16:33.23 | Hachiman | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121221023903/clockworksaga/images/1/13/Gnolls.jpg y not liek dis |
| 16:33.24 | OluapPlayer | woof |
| 16:33.39 | OluapPlayer | That's the same thing tho |
| 16:34.02 | Hachiman | Hogger has proper armour though, doesn't he? |
| 16:36.29 | Imperios_ | Not sure |
| 16:36.44 | Imperios_ | With or without armour, he's practically a legend |
| 16:37.01 | Hachiman | True |
| 16:37.14 | Hachiman | My gnolls are supposed to look a but more athletic and nimble than your standard |
| 16:37.19 | Hachiman | *bit |
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| 16:50.22 | Imperios_ | Hachiman: http://cs607724.vk.me/v607724818/5a9b/m0p3w35Q1jg.jpg |
| 16:51.39 | OluapPlayer | manlet |
| 16:51.49 | Hachiman | Too tall |
| 17:00.14 | Imperios_ | Hachiman: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140515165934/spore/images/8/8d/Gnolls_%28versio_Imperii%29.png |
| 17:01.17 | OluapPlayer | dat hunchback |
| 17:01.25 | Imperios_ | of Notre Dame |
| 17:01.53 | Hachiman | Yeah I'm not so keen on the hunchback look of gnolls |
| 17:02.01 | Hachiman | Hunchback gnolls just look so goofy |
| 17:10.54 | Imperios_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Upright_Gnolls.png better? |
| 17:12.23 | Hachiman | Kinda yeah |
| 17:27.56 | Imperios_ | http://cs322925.vk.me/v322925818/75a1/8xmSAP2AXR4.jpg Who dat |
| 17:28.05 | OluapPlayer | Mikasa |
| 17:35.46 | OluapPlayer | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140515173443/spore/images/c/ca/Aurora_Dalverat.png [belly dance intensifies] |
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| 17:36.34 | Hachiman | Aye |
| 17:36.35 | dino_ | hellow |
| 17:36.35 | Hachiman | hai dino |
| 17:37.07 | dino_ | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140515173443/spore/images/c/ca/Aurora_Dalverat.png she is kinda hot in a wierd sense of way! |
| 17:37.26 | Imperios_ | Javina - GET OUT OF MY HOMELAND U |
| 17:37.34 | dino_ | how is all doing! |
| 17:38.59 | OluapPlayer | hoh |
| 17:39.02 | OluapPlayer | I'm ok |
| 17:41.11 | dino_ | Great to hear! |
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| 17:50.16 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 17:51.22 | dino_ | hello |
| 17:51.36 | Imperios_ | Кшеу |
| 17:51.38 | Imperios_ | rite |
| 17:51.59 | Imperios_ | Javina - cursed hellspawn [also kinda lickable] |
| 17:56.35 | Imperios_ | *sigh* now what should I do... |
| 17:57.32 | OluapPlayer | finish paegs |
| 17:58.04 | Imperios_ | Which one |
| 17:58.11 | OluapPlayer | I don't know, find one hur |
| 17:58.11 | Imperios_ | ihavenoidea.mp3 |
| 17:58.19 | OluapPlayer | Did you fill the Tartarion races yet |
| 17:58.33 | Imperios_ | Oh yes |
| 17:58.34 | Imperios_ | That |
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| 18:13.59 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 18:14.08 | OfficerJackal | Hey! |
| 18:16.42 | OluapPlayer | ~punch Cyrannian |
| 18:16.42 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Cyrannian right on the nose |
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| 18:16.50 | OluapPlayer | spu |
| 18:16.55 | Xho | iu |
| 18:20.28 | Xho | Hm what to do |
| 18:20.33 | Imperios_ | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140515181935/spore/images/8/8e/Archdruidess_Marjatar.png Likes: control, order, obedience. Dislikes: crazy people, fun, rocks, orcs. |
| 18:20.59 | Xho | "NO FUN ALLOWED" - Deer Woman |
| 18:21.01 | OluapPlayer | Zran Kar - omg hai |
| 18:21.17 | OluapPlayer | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140515173443/spore/images/c/ca/Aurora_Dalverat.png you can have dis since you weren't here when I first posted it |
| 18:22.10 | Xho | Kalarah - bitch r u a shiarchon cuz i can't c ur faic |
| 18:22.20 | Xho | General Shiarchon chat up lines |
| 18:22.42 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 18:23.11 | Hachiman | hue |
| 18:23.30 | Imperios_ | I can imagine Javina throwing casual Muslim racist remarks towards Aurora for some reason |
| 18:23.36 | Imperios_ | Javina - DURKA BURKA DURKA BURKA |
| 18:23.53 | Xho | Burkha* |
| 18:23.54 | Hachiman | Funny cuz Aurora is established in the desert near Alhassal and the other desert nations |
| 18:24.00 | Imperios_ | exactly |
| 18:24.02 | Xho | No wait |
| 18:24.05 | Xho | No you're right |
| 18:24.12 | Xho | I'm losing it quick today |
| 18:24.15 | Imperios_ | Comrade Imperios is always right comrade Xho |
| 18:24.18 | Hachiman | All you're missing now is an explosion |
| 18:24.20 | Imperios_ | Hachiman: Well exactly |
| 18:24.29 | Xho | I'm always right for all the wrong reasons |
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| 18:25.10 | Xho | Ah I remember what I was going to do |
| 18:25.11 | OluapPlayer | Cyrannian: Did you notice I'm reworking the Ermitants' history? |
| 18:25.15 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 18:25.20 | OfficerJackal | Hello! |
| 18:25.21 | Xho | I was going to make the head of the Shiarchon death priests |
| 18:25.24 | OluapPlayer | Xho: terminus pls |
| 18:25.34 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: I've been quite busy over the past few weeks, but I'll check it out now. |
| 18:25.46 | Xho | Fine I'll finish Terminus first |
| 18:25.49 | Xho | No one bother me |
| 18:25.53 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AErmitant_Empire/Robotic_Uprising this most specifically |
| 18:25.57 | Imperios_ | Ghel: Hm. I just thought of something |
| 18:26.09 | Ghel | All right. |
| 18:26.16 | Imperios_ | What if we make several Koldenweltian creation myth stories? |
| 18:26.39 | Imperios_ | That would explain how the planet and its species came to be... not that they would have to be actually true |
| 18:26.48 | Ghel | I'm sure Koldenwelt has plenty of creation myths, so that should be fine. |
| 18:27.16 | Xho | I did mention this ages ago |
| 18:27.18 | Imperios_ | Well |
| 18:27.20 | Xho | No one said anything about it |
| 18:27.28 | Xho | cuz ur all FUKIN DUM |
| 18:27.32 | Ghel | I remember that, Xho. I'm sure I agreed with it. |
| 18:28.53 | Imperios_ | Somethingl like "Goddess Elf fucked Goddess Dragon and made Kelodhros children and then they populated the land iwth beasts but then God Shiarchon fucked up and the both gods died and Goddess Elf's blood became Deiwos and the animals that drank it became Theriocephalii" |
| 18:28.56 | Imperios_ | *God Dragon |
| 18:29.10 | Ghel | We could make the page now. |
| 18:29.27 | Xho | Well I have a few creation myths depending on what faction |
| 18:29.30 | Xho | Shiarchon is obvious |
| 18:29.31 | Imperios_ | Koldenwelt/Religion? |
| 18:29.38 | OluapPlayer | So the first myth literally starts with lesbian sex |
| 18:29.43 | Imperios_ | It was a typo dammit |
| 18:29.46 | Ghel | I would suggest /Mythology. |
| 18:29.56 | Imperios_ | ...right, a typo that I saved on purpose |
| 18:29.59 | OluapPlayer | 10/10, 100/100 |
| 18:30.05 | Xho | 5-stars |
| 18:30.09 | Hachiman | wats dis bout dragon tits |
| 18:30.12 | Imperios_ | Gold-star |
| 18:30.36 | Ghel | And I would have gone with making it a fantasyverse subpage, but that doesn't make much difference. |
| 18:30.52 | Xho | Orichalcum Elves believed that Soldalatel or some sun goddess breathed life into the world and that the phoenixes were the equivalent of angels, and that they and the Sun Drakes were created by them to maintain dominion over men and beasts |
| 18:31.32 | Imperios_ | I imagine the Klaxxa would believe Korddraiggen forged the earth or something |
| 18:31.40 | Imperios_ | Humans... well... |
| 18:31.42 | Imperios_ | Not sure\ |
| 18:31.50 | OluapPlayer | Hitler shaped the world |
| 18:31.53 | Xho | Dammit |
| 18:31.55 | Xho | I was gonna say that |
| 18:32.08 | OluapPlayer | And then shouted FEGELEIN at it until life appeared |
| 18:32.25 | Xho | Néva believe that Aethereus created the world |
| 18:32.44 | Xho | And that phoenixes were also angelic types and Storm Drakes also |
| 18:32.46 | Cyrannian | OluapPlayer: I like the updates to the Robotic Uprising. It kind of makes me want to expand on the history of the true Grox in Cyrannus. |
| 18:33.00 | OluapPlayer | Yey |
| 18:33.02 | Xho | There's sort of a northern/southern parallel with the Néva and Orichalcum Elves |
| 18:33.09 | OluapPlayer | I plan on finishing the Robotic Uprising by sunday |
| 18:33.11 | Xho | Or Night Elves in that respect |
| 18:33.21 | Imperios_ | Hm |
| 18:33.42 | OluapPlayer | i'm not sure what the Sand Drakes might think |
| 18:33.49 | OluapPlayer | They might share the Klaxxa's beliefs |
| 18:33.56 | Xho | There was once a great sandcastle |
| 18:33.58 | Xho | And it crumbled |
| 18:33.59 | Imperios_ | Alhassal, Saphronia, Mannazia, Karacay, L'Ammanori, Islanders, Freeland, Hopedon, Dalmiri. |
| 18:34.04 | Imperios_ | How many human nations are there? |
| 18:34.11 | OluapPlayer | Vixaatus - gosh dangit my castle |
| 18:34.13 | Imperios_ | NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE, NINE |
| 18:34.24 | Xho | Dalmiri - man fuk ur nazism |
| 18:34.58 | Imperios_ | Prayers in the Empire of Man: Will we come to Hell if we do not sin? |
| 18:35.02 | Imperios_ | NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN |
| 18:35.48 | Imperios_ | Daisarvi creation myth: Mikko is actually Koldenwelt |
| 18:35.58 | OluapPlayer | If I could go for my idea of Interivastius being a Fire Colossus then the Fire Drakes would likely have believed he created the world from a firestorm |
| 18:37.30 | Hachiman | Ooh that would be cool |
| 18:37.52 | Xho | I dunno what the phoenixes would have thought |
| 18:38.06 | Xho | Since they're not from Koldenwelt they probably would have had some omniversal creation myth |
| 18:38.07 | Xho | Or something |
| 18:38.40 | Xho | Probably better if I didn't think of one for them |
| 18:38.51 | Hachiman | Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Lucario_of_the_Gods/Sandbox#Fantasy_Factions watchu fink |
| 18:39.33 | Ghel | So shall this page be made at Planet:Koldenwelt/Mythology? |
| 18:39.35 | Xho | Néva - WELCOME TO THE NORTH, THE TRUE NORTH |
| 18:41.14 | Xho | Hachiman: Needs more vodka and bears |
| 18:41.18 | dino_ | Winter is Coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:41.22 | dino_ | oh that is another North :P |
| 18:41.47 | Imperios_ | Xho: that's Saphronia |
| 18:42.09 | Imperios_ | Saphronians = Koldenweltians Slavs |
| 18:42.21 | Imperios_ | *Koldenweltian |
| 18:44.01 | Hachiman | dino_: House Stark was my inspiration for the Hopedan actually :3 |
| 18:44.36 | Xho | HOOSE STORK |
| 18:44.57 | Hachiman | tho north romombors |
| 18:44.58 | Xho | On an unrelated note, I've given Valentinianus' height as 16'10" |
| 18:45.15 | Xho | Whereas most Shiarchon are around 9'11" |
| 18:45.33 | Xho | Or 10' |
| 18:45.47 | Imperios_ | Valentianus - YOU ARE SO SMALL, IS FUNNY TO ME |
| 18:45.53 | Xho | Where 16'10" is translated to 5.13m |
| 18:47.12 | Xho | So for most part Shiarchon treat Valentinianus' height as we would with a man who is around 7'4" |
| 18:47.56 | dino_ | @Hachi:Cool! House Stark is cool, to bad they have been hurt quite a bit in story, |
| 18:48.04 | dino_ | recently bought the books of AioF, they are good as well! |
| 18:48.08 | dino_ | Explains more background! |
| 18:48.36 | Xho | http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140511192712/spore/images/8/87/PraetorValentinianus.png This guy |
| 18:48.44 | dino_ | I like this seen a lot of S1 Hachi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XZqyngzsc |
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| 18:49.21 | Hachiman | Robert Baratheon is so fucking cool |
| 18:49.29 | Hachiman | One of my favourite characters hur |
| 18:49.52 | dino_ | indeed! |
| 18:50.25 | dino_ | Did you see the recent one? Tyrion's Trail was pretty impressive as well, not to mention the shocking Red Wedding, that really made me speechless, plus i was really like what jsut happened! |
| 18:50.26 | dino_ | Schok |
| 18:50.32 | Cyrannian | dino_: That guy reminds me of Rambarth a bit |
| 18:50.51 | Hachiman | dino_: Don't tell me what happened, I'm just starting S2 :p |
| 18:50.55 | dino_ | Hahaha :D, |
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| 18:51.20 | dino_ | @Hachi: Oh I will shut up then about GoT, just one thing Hachi, S3 and S4 are even better than S1 and S2 |
| 18:52.16 | Xho | I think Varys is one of the best characters |
| 18:52.43 | dino_ | Varys is an interessting, though Tywin, who will also appear in S2 and onwards is quite impersonating |
| 18:52.54 | Hachiman | Tyrion <3 |
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| 18:54.00 | Xho | Tywin = Charles Dance = Generally quite scary |
| 18:54.19 | dino_ | These are hot as well: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140328003344/gameofthrones/images/6/68/Myranda-S4.jpg and http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130125202352/gameofthrones/images/a/a5/MeeraS3Promo.jpg |
| 18:54.23 | dino_ | Hachi don't look, they are upcoming :D |
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| 19:02.06 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 19:03.22 | Cyrannian | Welcome back my sweet |
| 19:09.10 | dino_ | @Cyrannina: My sweet????? |
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| 19:09.25 | Wormy | Hi |
| 19:09.34 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 19:09.39 | dino_ | Hello! |
| 19:14.04 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:15.52 | Imperios_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Koldenwelt/Tartarion#Races dere done |
| 19:16.31 | OluapPlayer | bout dam time |
| 19:18.49 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Terminus#Day_Seventeen There we go, updated more |
| 19:18.54 | OluapPlayer | yey |
| 19:19.20 | Xho | Constantius' story is done, but I have to finish Septimus' |
| 19:20.09 | Imperios2 | Hachiman: We and Alyona are discussing whether the Death Note would work on insects |
| 19:21.41 | Imperios2 | dino_: All I know about the Red Wedding is |
| 19:22.14 | Imperios2 | that it is the Dark Souls of televisiom |
| 19:22.26 | Imperios2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.54 | dino_ | @Imperis: Yeah that is! It was shocking, a surprise but well filmed and brought into movie .It is one of the few times I was actually speechless after watching fictional television |
| 19:23.34 | OluapPlayer | Constantius - TIS ALL SEPTIMUS' FAULT GUISE |
| 19:23.51 | Xho | Terminus: Laconic Edition |
| 19:24.22 | dino_ | In example: other speechless times were: the first Brachio in JP, Littlefoots mothers dead after Sharptooth attack, Nameless Empress scene before being named in Never Ending and the Rohirrim charge in LoTR and Theodons death and Eowyn fight with the With King |
| 19:24.44 | Imperios2 | Xho: We should make a part with Servius in it |
| 19:24.51 | Xho | It's me only |
| 19:24.54 | Xho | Well |
| 19:24.56 | dino_ | For reall life televisoin, the moment the second airplane flew in the Twin Towers, I just came down when my mother called that we had to watch tv as somethign happened, just as I entered I saw the plain flew into it |
| 19:25.07 | Xho | I imagine Servius is younger than 15,000 |
| 19:25.35 | Imperios2 | I just thought he could appear |
| 19:25.50 | Xho | Well, even if he could he can't now |
| 19:25.51 | Imperios2 | Not necessarily controlled by me |
| 19:26.04 | Imperios2 | Also I just thought |
| 19:26.12 | Wormy | Disturbingly long time delay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#The_Libet_experiment |
| 19:26.13 | Xho | Constantius' part is over and Septimus doesn't really come into contact with other Orichalcum Elves further on |
| 19:26.14 | Imperios2 | Since Abyssus was originally Klaxxs land |
| 19:26.30 | Imperios2 | Wouldn't there be Klaxxa slaves in the Legion |
| 19:26.37 | dino_ | yowow i mpressive cover"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv4f6FjWNM |
| 19:26.46 | Xho | Imperios2: That would depend on the Shiarchon's take on them |
| 19:27.16 | Xho | Considering they're short-lived without a great deal of physical ability I imagine that the Shiarchon would only find them useful for food |
| 19:27.32 | Wormy | Fancy having this as a name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Swaab |
| 19:27.41 | Wormy | No offense to the guy of course |
| 19:28.44 | Imperios2 | Xho: Shiarchon - tasty midget dragon brits |
| 19:29.21 | Xho | They may have an extremely small number of Klaxxa slaves |
| 19:29.24 | Xho | Probably as spies |
| 19:29.31 | Xho | But in outer society, probably not |
| 19:29.53 | OluapPlayer | Klaxxa spus |
| 19:29.58 | Xho | Speaking of Legion races, I was going to remake the Gatekeepers |
| 19:30.02 | Imperios2 | Klaxxa - gentlemen |
| 19:30.18 | Imperios2 | Strangely it is fittinf |
| 19:32.00 | Xho | I was going to turn the Gatekeepers into a race of semi-sentient Deiwes who were created as a result of void magic and breeding giants |
| 19:32.23 | Xho | So they'll probably look more like a human than a garbled mass of flesh |
| 19:34.01 | Xho | As for their height, probably not 100ft tall |
| 19:34.06 | Xho | Closer to 30ft |
| 19:36.00 | Ghel | Oh, fairly short then. |
| 19:36.10 | Imperios2 | Xho short |
| 19:36.25 | Xho | Well I did say they were a giant race hur |
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| 19:39.26 | edza101 | coolest sound EVAR http://youtu.be/q5FwsIkJCXU?t=1m28s |
| 19:39.33 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 19:39.52 | edza101 | Ghel: ohai |
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| 19:52.57 | dino_ | bye all |
| 19:52.58 | dino_ | have to go agian |
| 19:52.59 | dino_ | see ya |
| 20:06.10 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ice_Age/Son_of_Gotla#The_CEO.27s_Visit nu section |
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| 20:10.46 | Hachiman | reed dat |
| 20:13.36 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dickbutt_Sovereignty umm wat |
| 20:15.39 | Wormy | I just heard of a funny way to make money. Stick a shoe or hat (or any human object) beneath a hard water stream and wait a year or so until a concretion forms, send it to the creationist museum the cash. |
| 20:16.20 | Wormy | oh and say you found it in rock strata |
| 20:17.27 | Angrybirds_ | test? |
| 20:17.41 | OluapPlayer | What the fug |
| 20:18.11 | Ghelae | Wormy: What you want is an artifact that will get you the most profit. Imagine how much they'd pay you for a fossilised Bible! |
| 20:18.23 | Ghelae | Erm, "fossilised". |
| 20:18.38 | Wormy | Oh my |
| 20:18.43 | Wormy | This has to be done. |
| 20:27.56 | Hachiman | https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1377121_311655628992136_5309357431384653693_n.png |
| 20:28.57 | OluapPlayer | olol |
| 20:30.14 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Ice_Age/Son_of_Gotla#The_CEO.27s_Visit reed plz |
| 20:30.33 | Technobliterator | The Dickbutt Sovereignty, formally known as The Great, the Glorious, the Ass-kicking Sovereignty of Dickbutt, formerly known as the Melinas Democracy (2509-2589), Afromacy of Awesome (2589-2621), THE ABSOLUTE COmMUNIST FAcSIT REPUBLIKAN DICTATORSHIP (2621-2621), and the Democracy of Melinas (2621-2622), is a Human true e-democracy of four systems located in the Milky Way Galaxy. |
| 20:30.45 | Technobliterator | I don't even...lmao |
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| 20:31.17 | Angrybirds_ | I should have waited to publish it until I was done. xD |
| 20:31.19 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone |
| 20:31.21 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 20:32.44 | Technobliterator | :D |
| 20:32.44 | Technobliterator | hey |
| 20:35.28 | Technobliterator | sorry, Hachiman, I can read now |
| 20:36.07 | Hachiman | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Chronicle_of_Ire#Memento_Mori Also you never commented on this |
| 20:37.39 | Technobliterator | daw I love zoltik |
| 20:37.44 | Technobliterator | he is a badass |
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| 20:38.44 | Hachiman | https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10155259_704025856326883_5746859333610827312_n.jpg |
| 20:39.28 | OluapPlayer | I'm glad that Dark Souls 2 has no Xbox messages, that means no hatemail hur |
| 20:39.34 | Technobliterator | uh, I read that and commented I think |
| 20:39.35 | OluapPlayer | It was the main thing keeping off PvP |
| 20:39.50 | Hachiman | Technobliterator: You didn't |
| 20:39.54 | Technobliterator | I did |
| 20:40.01 | Technobliterator | because I read this before :| |
| 20:40.11 | Hachiman | You didn't comment |
| 20:40.17 | OluapPlayer | Comment again then hur |
| 20:40.21 | Hachiman | You just said that you were too busy to comment |
| 20:41.38 | Technobliterator | well, hassling me to comment will not make me more likely to comment, just for the record. |
| 20:42.00 | Hachiman | I only asked |
| 20:42.11 | Technobliterator | you're not asking now, you're hassling |
| 20:42.11 | Hachiman | God |
| 20:42.16 | Hachiman | Fine I won't fucking ask next time |
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| 20:42.26 | Technobliterator | what the hell was that reaction? |
| 20:42.47 | Technobliterator | it was not even something personal, I'm a busy woman :| |
| 20:42.48 | OluapPlayer | Oh come on |
| 20:43.39 | Technobliterator | I'm just saying what needs to be said, I won't drop what I'm doing because someone's impatient for a reply. That has nothing to do with me not being interested or whatever. |
| 20:44.13 | Technobliterator | I have other wikis, exams, other commitments as well, like seriously |
| 20:44.47 | OluapPlayer | Why not just repeat your comment though |
| 20:44.50 | OluapPlayer | Or are you busy right now |
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| 20:45.45 | Technobliterator | the answer to your first question is, I was about to, the answer to your second question is yes |
| 20:46.21 | Hachiman | For the record, you didn't comment actually, you read the section "Eating Habits" and gave a shitty response and when I asked for a more advanced opinion you just said "too busy with FFwiki and people are talking to me", and I never got a response for what you thought of that section |
| 20:47.05 | Hachiman | But if you're too busy doing shit on another wiki just tell me you're not fucking interested and I won't bother asking you |
| 20:47.14 | Technobliterator | could it be because making valuable contributions to a site about information is more important than reading your writing |
| 20:47.20 | Technobliterator | I never said I was not interested |
| 20:47.46 | Hachiman | I'll remember that next time you decided to post another War of Flames section then |
| 20:47.55 | OluapPlayer | Not in the mood for your bickering |
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| 20:48.01 | Technobliterator | ok |
| 20:48.12 | Hachiman | That contributing to the site is more important than reading your writing |
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| 20:48.50 | Technobliterator | -_- |
| 20:49.02 | Xho | Well this was good |
| 20:49.52 | Technobliterator | I said what needs to be said and got demonized |
| 20:49.53 | Technobliterator | fun. |
| 20:50.02 | DrodoEmpire | Well that was utterly ridiculous. |
| 20:50.47 | Liquid_Ink | Of course you did; you're a woman. |
| 20:50.54 | Technobliterator | oh well, I won't dwell on it |
| 20:50.57 | Liquid_Ink | You opinion is not allowed to be taken seriously. |
| 20:51.04 | Technobliterator | I'm not going to hold it against them |
| 20:51.13 | Xho | Said no woman ever |
| 20:51.25 | Technobliterator | lol |
| 20:51.27 | Technobliterator | well |
| 20:51.33 | Technobliterator | I don't hold grudges :p |
| 20:52.45 | Technobliterator | it's just, yes I am interested, yes I care, but am I going to drop absolutely everything when a million people need me at once over your thing which is less important? no, I absolutely am not, it's called priorities |
| 20:52.49 | Technobliterator | I just don't understand |
| 20:53.05 | DrodoEmpire | I agree |
| 20:53.18 | Wormy | Things are taken too personally on this chat. Unfortunately, I feel like it is a corruption of what me and Monet tried to talk about on our blogs. |
| 20:53.23 | DrodoEmpire | I think Hachi's response was rather heavy-handed to put it likely |
| 20:53.35 | DrodoEmpire | *lightly |
| 20:53.38 | DrodoEmpire | Damn. :P |
| 20:54.08 | Technobliterator | "well, hassling me to comment will not make me more likely to comment, just for the record." - what about this comment was insulting or offensive? like, what was wrong with it? |
| 20:54.13 | Ghelae | To be fair, Hachi wasn't even explicitly asking you to comment; he just pointed out (four times) that you hadn't. |
| 20:54.20 | Ghelae | And *then* he overreacted. |
| 20:54.24 | Wormy | Though I talked about people feeling their fiction needs more attention sometimes, I don't expect this to happen. |
| 20:54.47 | Technobliterator | he pinged me about it and was essentially hassling me, which was practically impatient |
| 20:55.57 | Xho | I do think they overreacted a bit |
| 20:56.02 | Xho | Well not |
| 20:56.04 | Xho | *no |
| 20:56.06 | Xho | Not a bit |
| 20:56.07 | Xho | A lot |
| 20:56.32 | Ghelae | I wasn't saying that his reaction was reasonable. Or that he wasn't strongly hinting for you to comment. |
| 20:57.13 | Technobliterator | well, it's not the first time hachi's overreacted and I won't hold it against him, though he'll go back to demonising me I imagine |
| 20:57.29 | Ghelae | Just, at the time, the two of you were doing nothing more than claiming and counter-claiming about whether or not you already had commented. |
| 20:57.58 | Technobliterator | I remember commenting, I may have been wrong, but I remember doing so |
| 20:58.08 | Technobliterator | I was about to comment, but then he just left the chat |
| 20:59.21 | Ghelae | There's an easy way to check. |
| 20:59.22 | Ghelae | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20140510.html.gz |
| 20:59.57 | Ghelae | You did comment on the previous section. |
| 21:03.15 | Angrybirds_ | What's a good name for a fictional hackavist group? |
| 21:05.15 | Technobliterator | I don't use the logs |
| 21:05.16 | edza101 | Angrybirds_: SUPER AWESOME BINARY BOMBERS 1337 /b/ |
| 21:06.24 | Ghelae | Angrybirds_: What are the motives for their hacktivism? |
| 21:07.15 | Xho | Well, I made a house on Sims 3 worth 250,000 simoleons |
| 21:07.19 | Xho | Dunno how I did that |
| 21:19.58 | Wormy | I believe we should enforce the wiki-stated rules for civility and the like on this chat. Nothing authoritarian, but this is unacceptable. |
| 21:20.18 | Xho | It's immature if anything |
| 21:20.19 | Xho | I mean |
| 21:20.22 | Xho | Bickering over the internet |
| 21:20.27 | Xho | The internet |
| 21:20.43 | Technobliterator | well, bickering over the internet is easier, that's why we have keyboard warriors |
| 21:20.48 | Wormy | I believe Jo was demonised there, despite being demanded to comment when in all right she doesn't have to. |
| 21:21.17 | Wormy | And a slightly more enforced chat would calm things down a little. |
| 21:21.52 | Wormy | So once something like this starts, if users don't stop, they get kicked. |
| 21:21.56 | Wormy | simple |
| 21:22.18 | Technobliterator | problem is it can be difficult to determine when it's harassment and when it's not |
| 21:22.31 | Wormy | It is harrassment when it doesn't stop |
| 21:22.38 | Wormy | When users gang up on others |
| 21:23.01 | Technobliterator | other problem is I just kick people ganging up on me then it won't help my case, it will just seem like me being selfish |
| 21:23.09 | DrodoEmpire | That solves nothing, Wormy. Its difficult to define harassment, as Tech has said, and it doesn't mediate or get to the root of the problem, it abruptly halts it only for the problem to arise again, and again, and again |
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| 21:23.31 | Wormy | Drodo: Then they are banned from the chat. |
| 21:23.40 | DrodoEmpire | Then they argue elsewhere. |
| 21:23.49 | Wormy | Then they are banned from the wiki. |
| 21:24.03 | DrodoEmpire | There needs to be mediation, not just harsh punishments |
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| 21:24.19 | DrodoEmpire | People need to resolve differences, not be punished for having them |
| 21:24.26 | DrodoEmpire | And what if its off of the wiki? |
| 21:24.35 | Angrybirds_ | Ghelae : In the story, they discover that someone is essentially tampering with their e-democracy by restricting who votes on what and what is voted on. |
| 21:24.45 | DrodoEmpire | Your approach is too harsh. |
| 21:24.46 | Wormy | It is not punishment, it is stopping a flame war and disruption to everyone-else |
| 21:24.48 | Technobliterator | if it is off the wiki, it does not concern us, and we cannot and should not control it |
| 21:25.07 | Hachiman | What are we talking about? |
| 21:25.17 | Wormy | OluapPlayer, Hachiman: Can I talk to you two? |
| 21:25.26 | Hachiman | Sure |
| 21:25.29 | OluapPlayer | You have 20 minutes |
| 21:25.35 | DrodoEmpire | If and when possible, there should be something of a resolving of differences, if this is attempted and failed, then kick them or ban them. |
| 21:25.46 | DrodoEmpire | If its being argued off of the wiki, then don't get involved |
| 21:26.00 | Wormy | THat is what we are suggesting Drodo, when I said tell them to finish or stop, or it is harrassment |
| 21:26.05 | Ghelae | Angrybirds_: Right. One idea I had is that a pro-democracy, anti-AI organisation could call themelves (something like) the Association for the Neutralisation Of Non-Yielding Megacorporations, Oligarchs and Uncooperative Systems. Which happens to have the acronym "ANONYMOUS", because tortuous initialism-fitting is always fun. I assume you want something different, however. |
| 21:26.09 | DrodoEmpire | Its too heavy-handed to resort straight to booting them off |
| 21:26.25 | Hachiman | Wormy: Where should we talk? |
| 21:26.40 | Wormy | #cyrannus, if you wish |
| 21:26.53 | Angrybirds_ | Ghelae : The acronym is amazing and creative, but that's already the acronym of a hackavist group. |
| 21:26.58 | Angrybirds_ | IRL, I mean. |
| 21:26.59 | DrodoEmpire | Its not a matter of telling them to cease and desist, its a matter of the two conflicting parties to come to an agreement so it doesn't arise again; More work but its worth it for lasting peace |
| 21:27.04 | Ghelae | Angrybirds_: That was the idea. :P |
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| 21:27.20 | Ghelae | And why I mentioned that I assume you want something different. |
| 21:27.26 | TekDroid | Hello |
| 21:27.29 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:28.40 | DrodoEmpire | Anyway, that's my opinion. :P |
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| 21:28.50 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 21:28.54 | Xho | Okay it's an internet chatspace not a political chamber |
| 21:28.57 | GD12 | Hello there |
| 21:29.02 | GD12 | wait whats happening? |
| 21:29.06 | Technobliterator | hey GD12 |
| 21:29.10 | Technobliterator | nothing, really |
| 21:29.30 | DrodoEmpire | Xho: What do you mean? There's a conflict happening, a recurring one and it needs to be dealt with. |
| 21:29.37 | GD12 | Howd Soviet/Russian history go |
| 21:29.46 | Xho | For the most parts things like this are totally unnecessary because in the grand scheme of things it's not important to anyone |
| 21:29.51 | GD12 | If i had known about it earlier and you asked me for help i could have helped you review :) |
| 21:29.57 | Xho | It shouldn't even start let alone continue |
| 21:29.59 | GD12 | ahh Crimea? |
| 21:30.06 | GD12 | or Eastern Europe in general |
| 21:30.10 | Xho | eh |
| 21:30.15 | Xho | What are you on about |
| 21:30.20 | Xho | And what am I on about |
| 21:30.21 | DrodoEmpire | I agree, but the fact is that it does. And as such it must be dealt with |
| 21:30.51 | GD12 | Wait so what event are we talking about |
| 21:30.58 | Xho | Yeah but I wouldn't take it mega seriously |
| 21:31.09 | TekDroid | Can we get some context please? |
| 21:31.22 | Ghelae | GD12: Something that happened here on IRC a little over an hour ago. |
| 21:32.02 | GD12 | What happened hur |
| 21:32.26 | OluapPlayer | I stuck a fork on Xho's left eye again |
| 21:32.27 | OluapPlayer | That's what |
| 21:32.32 | GD12 | oh eye see |
| 21:32.36 | GD12 | #badpun |
| 21:32.39 | DrodoEmpire | There was an argument between Tech and Hachi earlier and people are scrambling again to find a solution to these problems. :P |
| 21:32.42 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 21:33.01 | Xho | I have no clue why things like that are heated |
| 21:33.03 | Xho | I mean |
| 21:33.06 | Xho | Agh |
| 21:33.15 | DrodoEmpire | Me neither. :P |
| 21:33.16 | OluapPlayer | People overreact, that's why |
| 21:33.24 | Xho | On the internet |
| 21:33.29 | OluapPlayer | Everyone needs to hold hands, kiss and have an orgy to calm down |
| 21:33.31 | Xho | The internet |
| 21:33.57 | Xho | I dunno whether it's me or that displaying reactions and emotions across the internet just sounds like bad idea |
| 21:34.27 | GD12 | Well misinterpretation is very possible given people cant read subtext sometimes when lines of text instead of peoples facial expression are the only things present |
| 21:38.07 | Technobliterator | it is much harder to type a reasoned, coherent and well-structured argument, than it is to type "FUCK U SCRUB GTFO", so keyboard warriors exist |
| 21:38.24 | Technobliterator | internet is internet *shrug* |
| 21:38.55 | GD12 | Aye if only we spoke in propositional calculus then all our problems weould be solved |
| 21:39.20 | Ghelae | Silly humans speaking English instead of mathematics. |
| 21:39.36 | Technobliterator | IT IS CONFIRMED |
| 21:39.37 | OluapPlayer | Who are you calling a human |
| 21:39.42 | Technobliterator | GHELAE IS A MACHINE |
| 21:39.52 | Technobliterator | I knew it all along! |
| 21:40.17 | GD12 | Ghelae : What math are you doing for uni? PDE |
| 21:40.19 | GD12 | *? |
| 21:41.22 | Ghelae | My current modules are: Modelling with Differential Equations, Differential Equations and Fourier Analysis, and Introduction to Numerical Methods. I also did Vector Calculus in January. |
| 21:41.44 | GD12 | Ahh Cool. |
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| 21:42.01 | GD12 | Does DE w/ Fourier Analysis cover just Fourier Series or also Fourier transforms? |
| 21:43.15 | Ghelae | Both. And Laplace transforms. |
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| 21:43.20 | GD12 | Ahh, fun stuff |
| 21:43.39 | GD12 | Is it mostly conceptual and proof based or computation based? I'm assuming its the latter since you're natural sciences. |
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| 21:44.10 | Liquid_Ink | Wrong button. |
| 21:44.16 | Ghelae | No; we do all the same work as the pure maths students. |
| 21:44.56 | GD12 | Ahh I see. Are you going to be doing more real and complex analysis + dynamics later on or is this all the math you'll need for your stoof |
| 21:45.41 | Ghelae | I'll do more maths modules next year, but nothing so fundamental as that. |
| 21:47.03 | GD12 | Ahh i see |
| 21:47.11 | GD12 | coolbeans, go math :) |
| 21:47.15 | Ghelae | The options I've chosen are: Mathematical Medicine and Biology (because I'm a Natural Sciences student; I don't want to feel like I'm just doing mathematical physics), Coding and Cryptography, and Topics in Scientific Computation. |
| 21:48.11 | GD12 | ahh i see. |
| 21:48.37 | Ghelae | For my fourth year, I have to specialise in either maths or physics, so I intend to go for physics there. |
| 21:48.39 | GD12 | Coding and Cryptography would be all number theory and algorithmic analysis I'm assuming. |
| 21:48.41 | GD12 | I see. |
| 21:48.55 | GD12 | Actually probably less algorithmic analysis given that its a maths course |
| 21:49.17 | Ghelae | I had to pick either that, or Game Theory. |
| 21:49.28 | GD12 | Ahh i see |
| 21:49.36 | GD12 | Game Theory is fun though haha. |
| 21:49.48 | GD12 | I realize I've alienated 90% of the wiki by saying math is fun |
| 21:50.14 | Technobliterator | I liked maths, til it got complicated |
| 21:50.27 | GD12 | *when it got fun |
| 21:50.32 | GD12 | I'm joking haha |
| 21:51.17 | Xho | Maths hurts my head |
| 21:51.21 | GD12 | I've actually veered quite a bit away from pure math into computer science and statistics |
| 21:51.25 | Xho | Not my cup of tea |
| 21:51.45 | Xho | Currently listening to drone doom metal and, well, rather interesting |
| 21:51.52 | Ghelae | I'm only doing maths because I had to in order to do physics in my first year, and I kept at it afterwards because it was that or second-year biochemistry, which has labs, essays, and some of the core modules looked insanely boring. |
| 21:53.45 | Technobliterator | oh god I just remembered I have a philosophy exam tomorrow :| |
| 21:53.47 | Xho | I dunno how to explain this but this is how I imagine the Xhodocto sound like |
| 21:53.59 | Technobliterator | time to revise |
| 21:54.34 | Xho | I'm literally 5 minutes into this song which is 17 and a half minutes and it's still the intro |
| 21:55.39 | GD12 | Ayrai-Shikua class long ass intro |
| 21:55.52 | GD12 | So this is the chorus, nope just the intro |
| 21:56.08 | Xho | It's probably the darkest thing I've listened to for a while |
| 21:57.20 | Xho | The whole album is 53 minutes long |
| 21:57.22 | Xho | 4 songs |
| 21:57.25 | GD12 | wt |
| 21:57.26 | GD12 | wat |
| 21:57.48 | GD12 | Thats understandable for classical music but for something produced this century |
| 21:57.49 | GD12 | hao dis |
| 21:58.00 | Xho | It's called drone doom metal for a reason |
| 21:58.40 | GD12 | makes sense then |
| 21:59.06 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNT7TFPXocY Here's a 'song' from a band who comes from my home town |
| 21:59.09 | GD12 | Xho whats this song called? |
| 21:59.14 | GD12 | i mean your drone metal thing |
| 21:59.18 | Xho | Well it was an album |
| 21:59.29 | Xho | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvqpe8muxaU Listen at your peril |
| 22:00.04 | GD12 | challenge accepted |
| 22:00.18 | GD12 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter? |
| 22:00.23 | Xho | Possibly |
| 22:00.33 | Xho | I like all of this weird stuff |
| 22:00.35 | Xho | I dunno why |
| 22:01.06 | GD12 | you should make metal the gospel music of xhodocto |
| 22:05.57 | GD12 | right that was fairly creepy |
| 22:06.26 | GD12 | i fast fowarded after a bit to the lyrical section and i thought i was being possesed |
| 22:13.45 | GD12 | btw is there a set afterlife in the SWverse or is that for each person to decide |
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| 22:37.03 | Ghelae | I'm going to go now. Bye! |
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| 22:44.51 | Wormy | Right, I must apologise for my outburst earlier |
| 22:45.01 | Wormy | I jumped to conclusions |
| 22:45.16 | Wormy | Disregard everything I sauid |
| 22:46.06 | Wormy | Though I would like to have a faster to response to flaming |
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| 23:35.48 | Wormy | bye |
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| 23:37.03 | GD12 | Hello there |
| 23:38.19 | Monet | Hello |
| 23:38.44 | Technodroid | Any philosophy people here? |
| 23:41.27 | GD12 | yeah |
| 23:41.28 | GD12 | me |
| 23:41.44 | GD12 | and monet |
| 23:41.52 | GD12 | so shoot questions at us both |
| 23:42.08 | Monet | Yeah |
| 23:43.02 | Technodroid | Do you know much about tolerance or the external world? |
| 23:43.03 | Technodroid | namely, representative realism, direct realism, idealism |
| 23:43.34 | GD12 | Yeah |
| 23:43.56 | GD12 | The debate whether stuff in the natural world is objectively independent from perception right? |
| 23:44.00 | GD12 | or stuff related to that statement |
| 23:44.08 | Technodroid | Pretty much, yeah |
| 23:44.26 | Technodroid | I know the strengths of idealism, but what are the weaknesses? |
| 23:45.13 | GD12 | hmm let me think, is this for your a level? |
| 23:45.31 | Technodroid | Yup |
| 23:45.33 | Monet | Idealism can offset the bigger picture |
| 23:45.44 | GD12 | Right, well Idealism basically asserts that reality is a mental construction |
| 23:46.00 | GD12 | hence the weakness of that is that it prevents epistemology from an empirical (evidence based approach) |
| 23:46.08 | Monet | For instance an idealistic view of democracy may omit how every man is basically out for himself. |
| 23:47.07 | GD12 | Monet : I think she means idealism more from an epistemological perspective than Aeo idealism |
| 23:47.39 | GD12 | A pure idealistic approach forces people to base their understanding of the schema around them on pure theoretical principles. |
| 23:47.52 | Monet | Right. |
| 23:47.57 | Technodroid | Hmm |
| 23:48.32 | Monet | I was going to mention that my example is that an idealistic democracy leaves out how electoral candidates may or may not have their own agenda, something like that? |
| 23:48.52 | GD12 | Also tangentially related but Kant had a quote on idealism that if one removed the thinking body from something then the whole universe, as a construction of the mind basically disspears. |
| 23:49.20 | Technodroid | It's more about idealism in the sense of the external world |
| 23:50.14 | GD12 | So my argument for the value of idealism would be this assuming you're arguing it's a weak system. |
| 23:50.28 | Technodroid | That's interesting. One problem I know is that if the law is "to be is to be perceived" then it doesn't answer how things exist when not perceived |
| 23:50.50 | GD12 | aye, thats basically what Kant's quote asserts. |
| 23:50.56 | GD12 | I read it in the Critique of Pure Reason a while back. |
| 23:51.08 | GD12 | So your anti-idealism argument would be this I guess |
| 23:51.32 | GD12 | While Idealism has it's strengths in that any epistemological theorems derived from it are independent of the world around us, it is flawed in that by it's nature, it precludes the possibility of perception based empirical gathering of knowledge. |
| 23:52.34 | GD12 | As a corollary, another problem with idealism is the problem it creates in that because it assumes the external universe is a mental construct, then by implication it asserts that when this construct is not perceived it does not de facto exist. |
| 23:52.42 | GD12 | ahh found the quote |
| 23:53.22 | GD12 | In support of this critique, in his Critique of Pure Reason, Kant asserted that "if I remove the thinking subject, the whole material world must at once vanish because it is nothing but a phenomenal appearance in the sensibility of ourselves as a subject, and a manner or species of representation." |
| 23:53.28 | GD12 | then bs off that i guess |
| 23:53.29 | Technodroid | Which makes sense since Berkeley was an empiricist, mind you |
| 23:54.00 | Technodroid | Alright |
| 23:54.16 | Technodroid | well, any other weaknesses? |
| 23:54.21 | GD12 | hmm |
| 23:54.28 | Technodroid | ideally I need to explain and illustrate two weaknesses of it |
| 23:54.59 | Technodroid | Problem is it's a pretty strong theory :/ other than that there's Berkeley's weak rebuttal |
| 23:55.14 | GD12 | Right so Weakness 1 = It basically says screw you to the philosophy of empircisim or any evidenced based knowledge gathering. |
| 23:55.30 | GD12 | I think thats pretty self-explanatory, though you can expound on that. |
| 23:56.08 | GD12 | Then you could put in the Berkeley/Kant point about the problem of the laws existing but not being perceived. |
| 23:56.35 | GD12 | And if you can fit in the first thing, you could just talk about how really they're limited to reasoning based around axiomatic systems. |
| 23:56.58 | GD12 | Because things are only really objective in axiomatic systems, though they are self defining in that axiomatic systems are self defining constructs |
| 23:57.18 | GD12 | how does that sound? |
| 23:57.39 | Technodroid | Okay, so for strengths of idealism; it avoids problems of direct and representative realism |
| 23:57.51 | GD12 | Aye that |
| 23:57.53 | Technodroid | yeah that sounds good, I just need strengths now:P |
| 23:57.57 | GD12 | Right |
| 23:58.00 | GD12 | Strengths for Idealism? |
| 23:58.58 | Technodroid | Yeah |
| 23:59.07 | GD12 | Well first of all you could point out to the various subjective elements of perception and that as an emergent strength of ruling out any kind of empiricism, it rules any kind of falsehood or misperception. |
| 23:59.34 | GD12 | So really, it's the least deceivable of any epistemological system in terms of not being able to be fooled my misperception |
