IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140327

00:02.50HachimanWormy: Did you know that people fund more into the Olympics than they do space travel and research
00:03.02HachimanBy like, several times as much
00:03.08WormyAye
00:03.15WormyIt is a sad fact
00:03.20Wormyfor science
00:03.44MonetScientists don't see a massive chunk of that money nayway
00:03.55AdmiralPandaaustralia has no science ministry
00:06.23AdmiralPandaso yeah
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00:23.57WormyThere are sickos out there http://wqad.com/2014/03/25/parents-of-toddler-cut-by-razor-blades-in-park-say-culprit-sick-and-psychotic/
00:24.46HachimanI heard about that
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00:27.57Hachiman_fukn internet
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00:40.05Wormyhttp://metro.co.uk/2014/03/25/trucker-throws-dying-cat-across-road-by-its-tail-after-animal-is-knocked-down-4678539/
00:40.19Wormysuch disgust
00:42.31Hachiman_much throw
00:42.33Hachiman_very abuse
00:42.36Hachiman_wow
00:42.41Wormyhttp://metro.co.uk/2014/01/20/cat-cooked-in-microwave-for-scratching-owner-gets-new-home-and-a-literary-career-4270050/  http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/19/solicitor-locked-pet-dog-in-kitchen-with-no-food-or-water-to-die-prolonged-and-painful-death-4655806/
00:43.07WormyI feel depressed now
00:43.53Avilladoxwinces
00:45.00WormyI read one where an elephant's face was cut off while it was still alive recently too
00:45.37WormyIf I got my hands on such people...
00:47.06Wormyand this one is weird http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/26/woman-slits-own-throat-in-asda-store-4678934/
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01:14.59TybusenOluapAway: This new L33tlombax kid says he's gonna join your hivemind
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01:18.41Tybusen~seen Monet
01:18.42infobotmonet <5b7d0343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.125.3.67> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1h 14m 58s ago, saying: 'Scientists don't see a massive chunk of that money nayway'.
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01:31.05TekDroidSeems I got caught in a split or something...
01:44.10AngrybirdsTekDroid Tybusen : Thoughts on this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:French_Andromedan_Colonies.png
01:45.34Tybusenhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/English_imperialism_octopus.jpg Replace England with France and all of those countries with galaxies, and you have space France
01:46.46AngrybirdsLol! Hey, I could say the same thing about the TIAF.
01:47.19TybusenThe octopus image probably does fit the TIAF better
01:47.27Tybusen"Liberating the shit out of you since 2300"
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01:47.49Angrybirds^
01:48.34AngrybirdsUpdated the image. What do you guys think of it?
01:48.43TybusenActually, I think 2800 is the 400th anniversary of the TIAF in-universe
01:53.04TekDroidLooks neat AB.
01:59.18TekDroidIt feels so much later than usual
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02:07.50Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_French_Andromedan_Colonies_2.png
02:09.30TekDroidI think I prefer the first one though
02:13.22AngrybirdsOne's the symbol, the other one's the emblem, I think.
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02:16.43TekDroidI assumed that much.  I still prefer the symbol alone.
02:18.06AvilladoxStill prefer which symbol?
02:45.54Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Flag_of_French_Andromedan_Colonies_2.png
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03:44.48quark8~Last seen Cyrannian
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03:48.02quark8http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Screen_Shot_Flying.png
03:52.56quark8I think it's tailless Agonanghash doing the splits in the air.
03:55.49quark8http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Screen_Shot_Happy.png
03:58.00quark8It's Moranonungur doing something happily creepy.
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06:50.26Tybusenallo comrade
06:52.21TybusenImpersael: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bunsen_Sector_Map_2800AD.jpg I made nu map of Bunsen
06:58.04ImpersaelNice
06:58.11ImpersaelSimplistic, but nice
06:58.58TybusenI decided Bunsen needed a fabulous map to match the other ones on the Wiki
07:19.12ImpersaelI agree
07:19.23ImpersaelIt's a bit cartoonish though
07:19.40ImpersaelThen again it's not like you have Monet like me to make cool pictures hur
07:20.25TybusenAs long as it looks sufficiently SporeWiki
07:23.20ImpersaelBTW Israel is cool
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07:28.08Zmr56Hi there
07:28.36Zmr56I may be leaving at 7:50ish or later. right now it's 7:28
07:30.49Zmr56So...Any news?
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07:42.32Zmr56Chat dedder than ded
07:46.07Zmr56Well bye ya dumbas! Au revoir! (And brush your teeth!)
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08:23.41Liquid_InkWow this place is empty
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09:09.09dromHey
09:09.13dromhttp://i.imgur.com/LO5NdRJ.gif
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09:09.57AdmiralPandahello all
09:10.09Liquid_InkHello
09:13.27AdmiralPandahm, nobody else here plays Dungeons and Dragons do they?
09:13.35Liquid_InkNope
09:24.50AdmiralPandaah well, I'll sort my little problem out eventually
09:35.22dromOh hey
09:44.51Liquid_Inkhttp://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4153/48890.jpg YOU SHALL NOT PASS
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09:45.21JepardiHi
09:45.25Liquid_InkHello
09:49.08Liquid_Inkhttp://i.imgur.com/vJGKAvI.png This is the flag of the Republic of Australia in a fiction I'm writing completely separate from Sporewiki
10:14.01AdmiralPandahow'd you come to that?
10:17.25Liquid_Inkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_Australian_flags From this list
10:18.18Liquid_InkOf course, my commonwealth star isn't up to standard
10:20.42Liquid_InkI'm not sure how popular that flag would actually be in real life, but it stood out to me as soon as I saw it.
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10:44.31MonetHello
10:47.33Liquid_InkHello
10:50.40MonetI might ask when there are more people but I'm wondering what frase could be used (can be derogatory) to describe general DI citizens.
10:50.58MonetSince "Draconids" could easily mean Draconis specifically.
10:52.16Liquid_InkI understand precisely the problem you have.
10:53.02dromI should add a list for nicknames on the Aemonkians given by other races.
10:53.19Jepardihttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/arp8Ye5_460s_v1.jpg
10:53.22AdmiralPandahi Monet
10:53.45dromSomebody called them for Monkeys. And someone else calls them for Naakjians.
10:54.05MonetI've seen "posh lizards" circulating for Draconis themselves
10:54.12MonetOh and "salamanders"
10:54.19dromsausages..
10:55.28MonetThe main issue is there are a lot of individuals in the Imperium where "salamander" doesn't work.
10:56.20dromBut sausages work, rite?
10:56.41drombtw: have a comik http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/140324.jpg
10:57.26Monetdrom: the variations of species include bugs, humans, apes, birds, raptors, humanoid reptiles and rodents
10:58.00MonetSo no "sausage" isn't a perfect sur for a genral DI citizen either.
10:58.05Monetslur*
10:58.27Jepardihttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aAYZREp_460sa.gif
10:58.48Monetdrom: That first comic reminds me of CapCom
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11:06.18MonetHello
11:06.28OluapPlayerhi
11:07.03MonetI'mtrying to think of a term to describe a general DI citizen. Any ideas? (shorthand, nickname or derogatory is fine by me)
11:07.34MonetSimilar to how US citizens are often called "Yanks"
11:09.46MonetWe have plenty of nicknames for Draconis thermselves but I'm wondering what aliens call non-draconis citizens.
11:10.43AdmiralPandahai Oluap
11:10.50OluapPlayerI don't have any name for that, I'm afraid
11:13.25Monet"dragon lovers" could be a good insult
11:20.32MonetI guess these names evolve naturally
12:13.18AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Profane_Rebirth#The_Gift_Denied Addition to Profane Rebirth
12:13.28AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Profane_Rebirth#Answers_at_Hand And another one
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12:24.38OluapPlayerZazane dude went full hulk there
12:33.26MonetNote t oself, never suppress a Zazane's instincts.
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12:51.04LawfulInsaneHello.
13:00.49LawfulInsaneGammon chat. I call it now.
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13:13.51OluapPlayerhi
13:14.20ImpersaelHello
13:14.21OluapPlayerImpersael: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Dyniroth here's Lekren's granddaddy
13:16.55LawfulInsaneHello
13:16.58ImpersaelOluapPlayer: Jolly good9 dragon,
13:17.00ImpersaelI say
13:17.28LawfulInsaneSo Lekren has Fire Drake ancestry.
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13:29.57Wormyhi
13:30.29TekDroidHello
13:31.39LawfulInsaneJello
13:31.40LawfulInsane*hello
13:31.42TekDroidNo school for me today. Today's this big literacy test for one of the grades. :)
13:31.49LawfulInsaneO
13:44.29LawfulInsane~test
13:44.29infobotextra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny
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14:18.27AdmiralPandahi Monet
14:18.40MonetHi
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14:36.43Hachimanhai
14:36.51OluapPlayeromg hai
14:39.08MonetHai buni
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14:41.49AdmiralPandahai Hachi
14:42.10AdmiralPandaHachiman Monet: Any chance I can drag the two of you into my fic basement?
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14:42.38HachimanMaybe in a bit
14:43.01MonetI could
14:52.31WormyThis has been a good year for space science http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25301-new-dwarf-planet-hints-at-giant-world-far-beyond-pluto.html
14:54.39OluapPlayerWoah
14:54.55ImpersaelHi Hachi, hi Mom
14:54.55OluapPlayerA new planet?
14:55.16HachimanGeezush
14:55.27WormyThe hypothesised planet actually has a name, Tyche.
14:55.50HachimanAlso, scientists discovered this week that asteroids can have their own rings, like Saturn
14:56.00WormyPossibly a gas giant kicked into the Oort cloud when Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune re-aligned
14:56.14OluapPlayertyke
14:57.03Wormythe solar system is friggin huge really http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Kuiper_oort.jpg
14:57.05OluapPlayerIt'd be cool to have 9 planets in the solar system again
14:57.09Wormyindeed
14:57.18WormyEspecially a giant one
14:57.40WormyIt might even be a Brown Dwarf star, the return of Nemesis
14:57.48Hachimanngh
14:58.18HachimanIf this is a new gas giant in our solar system, imagine if it has moons that can potentially support life like Europa
14:58.54OluapPlayerHmm
14:59.00MonetA possible tenth planet
14:59.14MonetSolar System is Big
14:59.22OluapPlayerIf there was a brown dwarf orbiting the Sun, would that make the Solar System a binary system?
14:59.24OluapPlayerOr do these don't count
15:00.02HachimanWell a large majority of solar systems in our galaxy are actually binary systems from what I've heard
15:00.15WormyI think it's distance puts constraints on it being a binary system.
15:01.13MonetOluapPlayer: Doesn't count. rrown dwarves fall jsut short of being large and dense enough for fusion.
15:01.20Monetnrown*
15:01.30OluapPlayerdats racist
15:01.42HachimanBrown dwarves
15:01.49Wormylol
15:01.54HachimanNeed star-worshipping dwarves in Fantasyverse hur
15:02.07ImpersaelI agree
15:02.21OluapPlayerI imagine fantasyverse races wouldn't know what stars are other than "shiny bits in the sky"
15:02.32ImpersaelB-b-but how would they worship stars if they live underground
15:02.41HachimanDwarves don't always live underground u dum
15:02.45Impersael*the stars
15:02.47ImpersaelYeag
15:02.49ImpersaelYeah
15:02.52ImpersaelActually
15:02.58HachimanDwarves are known to live on MOUNTAINS
15:03.04ImpersaelOn MOUNTAINS
15:03.13ImpersaelI have a jolly good idea
15:03.14WormyTyche might also not originate from Sol, it is thought Sol stole comets and possibly larger objects from other stars in the birthing nebula.
15:03.22ImpersaelCaucasian-esque Dorfs
15:03.40OluapPlayerOur sun is a greedy child
15:04.17HachimanImpersael: Cosmology/astrology-revering samurai dorfs plz
15:04.25Wormyhttp://phys.org/news/2010-11-sun-comets-stars.html#nRlv
15:04.32ImpersaelYeah this could be an interesting idea
15:04.55ImpersaelMaybe they could have a dislike against the Tamarauli elves?
15:05.00HachimanAye perhaps
15:05.14ImpersaelBeing their neighbours
15:05.14HachimanAlso I imagine civilizations like the Empire and the Sovereign would have some idea of what stars are, since they might have built telescopes and the likes
15:05.17HachimanEspecially Klaxxa
15:05.22ImpersaelYeah true
15:05.55OluapPlayerI ninjad you both by a large margin since I have Norrigan hur
15:06.01Hachimanhur
15:06.17HachimanBut
15:06.20HachimanIsiris isn't the sun
15:06.30OluapPlayerNorrigan thinks it is though
15:06.37HachimanFair enough
15:07.00OluapPlayerLarge ball in the sky -> eyeball -> Isiris
15:07.09Hachimanrite makes sense
15:07.30HachimanImpersael: Just for racial diversity, cosmology/astrology-worshipping samurai black dwarves
15:07.43ImpersaelFuk logic
15:07.53ImpersaelCoolness prevails
15:08.27WormyIt is said the Voyager probes have gone beyonf the edge of the Solar System but really they have yet to leave the Kuiper Belt, let alone the Oort cloud.  Though conditions are more interstellar where they are now
15:08.54WormyI suppose since gravity has infinite range, it is hard to draw a border for gravitationally bound objects
15:08.57ImpersaelOr
15:09.08ImpersaelSince we were talking about brown dwarves
15:09.12ImpersaelBrown dwarves
15:09.18HachimanAye, brown dwarves
15:10.45HachimanI imagine we'd go with the Warhammer dwarf formula and have them use runes to cast magic or something
15:11.53HachimanPerhaps they make their armour out of fallen meteorites that survive Koldenwelt's atmosphere and crash into it
15:12.01Wormy"Voyager 1 will reach the Oort cloud in about 300 years[74][75] and take about 30,000 years to pass through it."
15:12.25MonetThat is a long trip
15:14.52Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1#Future_of_the_probe
15:14.59WormyI find that romantic
15:15.42WormyThough, it wouldn't surprise me if some rich, young and narrow-minded human in the future will retrieve the probes and put them on display
15:20.25HachimanThat or maybe it will get collected/destroyed by an alien civilization
15:22.26TekDroidmaybe it'll smash into a warp bubble.
15:24.05WormyMaybe it will be given artificial intelligence
15:24.13WormyAnd will seek it's creators.
15:24.13OluapPlayerHachiman: http://i.4cdn.org/c/src/1395908612439.jpg bui
15:24.22TekDroidLol, Star Trek reference
15:24.38HachimanOluapPlayer: daww
15:25.14Wormy_awayIn OA, the Voyager and Pioneer probes are recollected and given AI too http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/49f9b4b02ce26
15:26.54Hachimanhttps://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1.0-9/10150723_677788572283945_1168884589_n.png
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15:29.15AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Profane_Rebirth#Answers_at_Hand Hachiman
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15:29.28Technobliteratorhii
15:30.49OluapPlayerdumba
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15:30.54Technobliteratorya dad
15:31.22OluapPlayergoddamn am I bored, nothing to do anywhere
15:32.00Technobliteratordo fiction stoof with me hur
15:32.58HachimanAdmiralPanda: Awesome, I'm glad we're getting more insight into Tannenbaum's tactics
15:33.29Hachimanhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1964820_320467044767300_317626652_n.jpg Fantasy!Hachi discovers Facebook
15:34.51Technobliteratorwhat the serious fuck
15:34.53Technobliterator0.o
15:38.11ImpersaelAdmiralPanda: It pleases me
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15:40.34Hachimanhttp://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-discover-earliest-known-evidence-bone-marrow
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15:45.21Zmr56Hi there
15:46.20OluapPlayerThat was fast
15:46.48MonetYou scared him off
15:48.00OluapPlayerScared him off with my sheer boredom
15:50.52HachimanSo I had an idea
15:50.59HachimanFor some interesting fauna for Koldenwelt
15:51.13HachimanThat kinda links with me and Imp's brown dwarves idea
15:51.46HachimanSky whales
15:51.59AdmiralPandaspeaking of Koldenwelt fauna, don't let me design any
15:52.00AdmiralPandaever
15:52.15dromwhy?
15:52.54dromOff to restart my ded router.
15:52.55drombrb
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16:00.04drom_I am back
16:08.34ImpersaelSpeaking of animals, I embarassed myself horrendously this morning
16:09.03HachimanOh?
16:09.28ImpersaelI was having breakfast the hotel... and then I asked the staff if they have ham
16:09.40Monet...oh dear
16:09.43ImpersaelStill not sure how could I've done this
16:09.58OluapPlayerI don't get it
16:10.12MonetJews and muslims don't eat pig.
16:10.23Impersaelya
16:10.35HachimanOh damn
16:10.44HachimanYou dun major goof'd
16:10.45OluapPlayerAh
16:11.34MonetIn fact the act in such cultures is considered offensive.
16:12.17ImpersaelStrangely I actually spent quite a lot of time studying Judaism
16:12.23ImpersaelAnd still somehow forgot about it
16:14.19ImpersaelAlso there's a person in the hotel staff who speaks exactly like Nimdok from And I Must Scream
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16:15.10ImpersaelAs in, with a stereotypical Nazi accent
16:15.18Hachimanohgid
16:15.22Hachiman*ohgod
16:15.28ImpersaelPraise Gid
16:15.36ImpersaelActually
16:15.47ImpersaelGid is an ethnic slur for Jews in Russian
16:16.00HachimanEverything's an ethnic slur in Russian hur
16:16.01ImpersaelWell, Jid/Zhid/dunno
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16:18.47drom_OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://scantys-pocket-kneesocks.tumblr.com/post/80872400211/dunkelmans-so-i-really-like-that-one-show-with
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16:19.47OluapPlayerNice spoiler
16:24.37AdmiralPandaI kinda want to say called it
16:26.51AdmiralPandaSo after reading the synopsis for Tantum, I have only one thing to say
16:28.23AdmiralPandaChores?
16:28.26AdmiralPandaReally?
16:28.53AdmiralPandaI would have expected a cheese-related boss battle or something
16:29.02AdmiralPandalike, a giant cheese golem
16:29.16OluapPlayerfuk wat u expectd
16:29.22AdmiralPandabutbutbut cheese golem
16:29.22HachimanWe have Santorakh riding a giant bee and a giant crab in the same battle
16:29.35AdmiralPandabut he could have been riding a cheese golem!
16:29.43AdmiralPanda(this is not criticism btw, just making a joke)
16:29.45Hachimanhe is da cheese golem
16:29.55OluapPlayergilim
16:36.14OluapPlayerhttp://i.4cdn.org/vg/src/1395936181667.jpg
16:36.33AdmiralPandapsh
16:41.12OluapPlayerNot really a spoiler so I'll let you know a super fun thing
16:41.17OluapPlayerBasillisks are back in 2
16:41.31AdmiralPandaNot really surprised
16:41.46AdmiralPandathey never gave me that much trouble
16:41.50OluapPlayerThey have more attacks than just petrify smoke now
16:41.56OluapPlayerIncluding a claw swipe as far as I remember
16:43.48AdmiralPandaso in other words they got nerfed?
16:44.28OluapPlayerBuffed more like, they seem stronger and faster
16:45.00OluapPlayerPetrification is a separate thing from curse in 2, mind you. I'll not say what curse does since you don't want spoilers
16:45.49OluapPlayeranyway new Future Hachi/Future Clotho section currently being made
16:47.13AdmiralPandaoh nice
16:47.24AdmiralPandaAlessa's training under Hel'Bre'K is continuing
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16:59.06Wormyhi
17:04.17WormyMonet:  As cool as this video is, it leaves me to demand where primary and secondary industry come in, from which these companies could not possible exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj5gMh4s9x4
17:04.32Wormypossibly
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17:05.31ImpersaelHachiman: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:Cosplay_Daemonettes_two_guys.jpg
17:05.33ImpersaelOkay back
17:06.27Hachimandem daemonettes
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17:07.09CyrannianHello.
17:07.56Technobliteratorhey
17:08.06OluapPlayer~slap Cyrannian
17:08.06infobotACTION slaps Cyrannian, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
17:08.31Cyrannian~deport OluapPlayer
17:08.31infobotACTION sends OluapPlayer on a free, all-expenses-paid trip to Lower Bolivia... and keeps the passport at the gate
17:09.50WormyHi
17:12.57CyrannianI'm very confused. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:182502
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17:13.00JepardiHi
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17:14.27WormyFish grenades must be the primary weapon of the Netherverse
17:14.34TechnobliteratorI recognise him from another wiki
17:14.43Technobliteratorand his fiction is the least imaginative I've seen a while
17:14.51Technobliteratorthe latest R&C game as about the Netherverse
17:15.56CyrannianSpeaking of which, do you think we should start work on the Guidelines?
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17:16.26Technobliteratorfuck
17:16.28Technobliteratoranyway
17:16.32Technobliteratorwho wants to collab?
17:16.51AdmiralPandaCyrannian wants to collab on the Guidelines
17:17.15Technobliteratoroh
17:17.22Technobliteratoryeah we need to just rewrite that page from scratch
17:17.23AdmiralPandaI want to collab but nothing to collab
17:17.27Technobliteratorand create new quotes
17:17.33Technobliteratorwhat about cleansing flames?
17:17.34AdmiralPandacollab with you that is
17:17.49TechnobliteratorI thought we had a plan
17:18.00AdmiralPandaonly an entry plan
17:18.04AdmiralPandanot really a fiction plan
17:18.13CyrannianI agree. The guidelines seem more relevant to problems that existed in 2010.
17:18.37CyrannianWas it 2010 or 2011?
17:19.09Technobliteratornot sure
17:19.16Technobliteratormy memory's horrible and I can't remember much of sporewiki's past
17:19.25Technobliteratorother than I made the taldar and sucked
17:19.37Technobliteratorthen somehow turned it around...by making templates or something? fuck knows
17:19.50TechnobliteratorAdmiralPanda: welllll we can come up with an actual fiction if you want
17:20.42AdmiralPandaRPing with Monet at the moment
17:20.45WormyI can work on them tonight, but I;m doing work atm
17:20.45AdmiralPandabut later yeah
17:21.10Technobliteratoralright, no worries
17:21.12Technobliterator...to both, rofl
17:21.49Jepardihttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a2NGZrO_460s.jpg
17:22.09TechnobliteratorCyrannian: okay, I'm gonna write some templates to make the fiction guidelines look prettier; what should the sections for it be?
17:23.21CyrannianFirst of all, perhaps the page should be moved to SporeWiki:Fiction Universe/Guidelines, since AFAIK they apply only to the shared universe.
17:23.37Technobliteratoryeah, definitely
17:23.46ImpersaelThis is arguable
17:23.48Technobliteratorit was only called Fiction Guidelines ages ago when I made it
17:23.57Technobliteratorbecause there was no Fiction Universe page
17:23.58ImpersaelThey apply to the Fantasyverse as well
17:24.11Technobliteratornot really
17:25.05CyrannianI consider the Fantasyverse an offshoot of the Fictionverse.
17:25.21TechnobliteratorI don't
17:25.32Technobliteratorbut I do think that the Fiction Guidelines for the Fantasyverse should mostly be different
17:25.42Technobliteratormore/less strict? dunno
17:25.43ImpersaelI guess
17:25.57OluapPlayerWhy should it be different?
17:26.04ImpersaelMaybe there could be shared guidelines and then specific guidelines for both
17:26.40Technobliteratorbecause things like "you shouldn't have 200k spaceships" are irrelevant to the fantasyverse
17:27.11Technobliteratorand also because the fantasyverse has inherently been more uptight about certain things when created, while the fiction universe just sort of came together
17:27.40ImpersaelSo, do you agree with me?
17:27.54Technobliteratorabout specific guidelines being shared?
17:27.55Technobliteratoryes
17:28.06Technobliteratorbut I don't think they should be the same page
17:28.46ImpersaelNot sure
17:28.47Impersaelwhy
17:29.02ImpersaelHaving one page is easier than having three pages
17:29.14ImpersaelBecause most guidelines will be shared
17:29.36TechnobliteratorWhy is it easier?
17:29.40Technobliterator[17:26] <Technobliterator> because things like "you shouldn't have 200k spaceships" are irrelevant to the fantasyverse
17:29.53OluapPlayerThose could be covered in sections
17:29.53Technobliteratorthis point still stands
17:29.58CyrannianI don't think we should complicate things by making two pages. Most, if not all, guidelines pertaining to the Science Fiction Universe can be applied to the Fantasy Universe if they are broader.
17:30.22ImpersaelTechnobliterator: Ahem
17:30.49ImpersaelIf we defined this rule the right way it could be applied to both verses
17:30.57Technobliteratorthey could be covered in sections, but they could be covered in different pages. and if we're still going with the moving idea, then that will favour one or the other
17:31.24ImpersaelI'd prefer sections
17:31.28ImpersaelNot separate pages
17:32.06OluapPlayerSame, seems pointless to have more than one page when  you could have something like ==Guidelines==, ===General===, ===Sci-Fi Specific=== and ===Fantasy Specific===
17:32.16Technobliteratorwe could actually do it much easier than that
17:32.31Technobliteratorusing thigns such as tabbers
17:32.39Technobliteratorbut anyway, majority are in favour of making them a single page
17:32.53Technobliteratorso let's just keep it on Project:Fiction Guidelines
17:32.56ImpersaelYeah
17:32.59ImpersaelCould do
17:34.01TechnobliteratorI only really wanted separate pages if we were going with the moving idea; if we aren't then there's no point
17:35.30CyrannianThis is mostly trivial, but what are your thoughts on the name of the page? "Project:Fiction Guidelines", "SporeWiki:Fiction Universe/Guidelines" or keep the page where it is.
17:35.36WormyI see what you mean, but if you look at the core of the sci-fiverse rules, what "you shouldn't have 200k spaceships" really means will apply to the Fantasyverse, so "you shouldn't have 200k seaships"
17:35.42Technobliteratorthat's not trivial at all
17:35.54Technobliteratorand Project:Fiction Guidelines is where it already is
17:36.09WormyIt's belittling and overpoweredness that is the issue
17:36.46Technobliteratoractually, wormy's right there. we might not even need many scifi specific things
17:38.51HachimanI'll just go by that if you can make it work and not make your fiction look like it was made to belittle others and has reason and logic behind it, you can have it
17:42.58ImpersaelI concur
17:43.31Impersael<PROTECTED>
17:43.44Impersael*cough cough* Xhods
17:44.52Technobliteratorxhods are an old fiction who are designed to be inherently overpowered for story reasons
17:45.06TechnobliteratorI feel like the fiction universe lately has become more story-focused and less role-playing
17:46.14AdmiralPandawhich is funny because we started story-focused
17:46.39CyrannianI think we should get rid of individual quotes from users essentially stating the obvious. Instead, we could reword the quotes into sections. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_guidelines#How_to_Begin
17:47.11TechnobliteratorI actually wanted to juist rewrite the entire page, and get rid of the old quotes
17:51.01Technobliteratorso uh
17:51.10Technobliteratorwho wants to make the fiction guidelines look pretty and interactive
17:53.10CyrannianI have some free time. How is this for an immediate layout? http://pastie.org/8973757
17:53.11AdmiralPandawouldn't know how to in the first place
17:53.23AdmiralPandakinda just want to keep making fic but got nothing to make right now
17:53.31AdmiralPanda(RP with Monet finished)
17:53.45Cyrannianbrb
17:53.50Technobliteratorhow to what?
17:54.17AdmiralPandamake the fiction guidelines pretty and interactive
17:54.20AdmiralPandaI don't do computer stuff
17:54.27Technobliteratorwell, that'd be my job
17:56.35TechnobliteratorCyrannian|Away: it's decent, I guess. I don't know what "{{guideline}}" is at the top though. The "specific to" stuff is irrelevant because tabbers should be handling that.  ===General=== is neat and all, but there should be more stuff under that - this is just a prototype so that's fine. There should be more than just "important" and "other", but we'll come up with that later
17:56.52Technobliteratorit's fine for a prototype though
18:00.52Technobliteratoralright, I'm off. see you guys in a few hours!
18:07.43CyrannianFor important guidelines that apply to both universes, what should be discussed? Belittling would be at the top of the list, I assume.
18:08.30HachimanBelittling, the matter of "gods" and super-beings
18:08.46OluapPlayerOversized territories
18:09.55AngrybirdsTry to not make a new user feel -too- restricted. I think we should focus more on what they can and are encouraged to do rather than on what they can't do.
18:10.06AdmiralPanda^
18:10.57AdmiralPandaCan't remember who, but back when I was apparently the go-to guy for new users to talk to, I had a couple mention that the big list of rules was daunting to say the least
18:13.28MonetHaving lots of rules isn't always agood thing
18:15.00CyrannianThat's understandable given how little sense the page actually makes. When you look at it from the perspective of a new user, the page is very disorganised.
18:15.53CyrannianWe could also cut down the amount of unenforced and unimportant rules on that page to two or three.
18:17.41Angrybirds^
18:18.52WormyI think the Guidelines shouldn't be entirely about rules.  It should introduce new readers to good tips and strategies in starting a fiction (and inspiration), in making it look good (originality a bonus), in how to network it with other users and finally collaboration.
18:19.01Angrybirds^
18:19.34WormyWhen users ask me how to get started, I don't usually bother with rules, I just tell them those sort of things.
18:19.34AngrybirdsMaybe we could provide a sample page layout to help them get started.
18:20.10WormyThen if I find the page a bit problematic, I'll get back to them on some of the rules
18:20.38AngrybirdsSomething basic with == History == ==Society and culture == ==Armed forces== ==Diplomacy== (with the whole redface/blueface thing coded out for them.
18:20.43WormyMost are quite logically obvious:  like belittling, or joining a fiction when it is finished
18:20.45MonetDoes anyone else think the good starter example looks a little cheesy?
18:20.54Angrybirds*raises hand*
18:21.19WormyI actually don't like those standard layouts to tell you the truth.  Users should seek their own designs, this is a wiki afterall.
18:21.45WormyI just say that history, culture, tech etc. are a good way to start
18:21.48AngrybirdsIt's meant to facilitate their getting into it, not create a standard.
18:21.51Wormyas sections
18:22.00WormyBut it does create a standard
18:22.03ImpersaelI concur
18:22.05AngrybirdsHm.
18:22.20WormyThe users feel pressured that they have to make that design.
18:22.29AngrybirdsAlright, good point.
18:22.33WormyAnd are less likely to seek new designs.
18:23.10WormyEspecially if we call a standard layout "a good starter example"
18:24.00WormyIn fact I'd like the guidelines to specifically state that the user shouldn't be pressured to follow a particular layout, though they can adopt it.
18:24.22CyrannianI find the good/bad starter example pretty pointless.
18:25.12ImpersaelI admi
18:25.15Impersaelt
18:25.24ImpersaelThe Bad Starter Example is grorious
18:25.32ImpersaelI'd like to keep it
18:25.37WormyNew users are really new wiki editors, and wiki editing is a learning process that shouldn't be stifled by such standards.  More importantly, they shouldn't be encouraged to learn, if they make a mistake, then it can be pointed out.
18:25.51CyrannianYeah, I'm not saying get rid of it. It's pretty funny.
18:26.05WormyI think the Bad Starter is okay, since it covers issues like belittling.
18:26.45Wormy*More importantly, they *should* be encouraged to learn, sorry.
18:32.35WormyIt never ceases to amaze me how new users find really old and obscure pages and blogs, stuff I've forgotten about :P http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Sandbox
18:33.16MonetIts an odd talent i'll give them that.
18:33.23Cyrannianhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327183305/spore/images/6/69/UniverseAwaits.png - For the "Getting Started" section
18:34.03MonetThat is a nice banner, I approve.
18:34.35Monettbh this is why I came to sporewiki - not many settings out there encompass several galaxies in massive detail
18:35.52CyrannianInstead of "Important Guidelines", maybe we should Spore-ify it by calling them the "Galactic Code"?
18:35.53Wormynice one
18:36.32WormyHm, I almost said I liked the idea, but then I'm not sure if it works for the Fantasy or Civ-verse
18:36.59CyrannianAh, good point.
18:37.16Monet"galactic vibes" does have a slight air of "you can/cannot do X and Y"
18:37.25MonetEspecially for Spore players.
18:37.59WormyI also love seeing Spore lore in the SporeWikiverse and use it at every opportunity myself.
18:39.29WormyWe need more of a role for Steve
18:39.59WormyHe gets a slight mention in the Tigris war where he doesn't help anyone.  And a mention in DCP history.
18:40.24WormyHe could appear perhaps in every galaxy's core.
18:41.36CyrannianI'll add a Steve quote to the top of the page. "It is now time for you to join us- - Join us! Mwahahahaha!! No, just kidding. It's not scary. Indeed. The times ahead, they are good. Really, really good."
18:42.06Wormygood idea
18:42.14Wormyreally, really good.
18:42.18Angrybirds<PROTECTED>
18:43.24MonetClever.
18:44.02CyrannianFor the "Getting Started" section, any suggestions what the subsections could be?
18:46.30Monet"finding your place" for talking about where to put your fictions?
18:46.52CyrannianAs in, what galaxy to put them in?
18:47.29MonetYeah. We could have an outline of what to expect in each galaxy.
18:47.42AngrybirdsThat has an interesting connotation, though, given that it could be easily interpreted as "know your place"
18:47.50AngrybirdsThat'd be cool
18:48.06AngrybirdsSince it's difficult for new users to parse through every galaxy's history.
18:48.16HachimanHmm
18:48.26ImpersaelActually this is a good idea
18:48.54ImpersaelI can provide quotes for each of the galaxies
18:48.58HachimanWhat do you guys think of the whole "having to ask to set up in certain galaxies" thing?
18:48.59HachimanI feel Andromeda doesn't really belong to anybody anymore
18:49.13WormyCyra:  Looking through my own messages toi get an idea
18:49.21HachimanIt has user significance but I think allowing more new users to set up there would allow for more fiction opportunities
18:49.21ImpersaelIt belongs to the people, comrade Hachiman
18:49.32drom_Got myself into remaking my confederation's military section.
18:49.38HachimanSoviet Andromeda
18:49.41ImpersaelHachiman: We could take the role of caretakers
18:49.54ImpersaelLike, telling new users what to do
18:50.06AngrybirdsHachiman : More tightly controlled galaxies are a lot more organized and easier to navigate, though.
18:50.08ImpersaelProviding them with advice
18:50.12drom_This is my progress so far, I mostly reformated the page. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Naakjian_Confederation/Military
18:50.22AngrybirdsHarder to wedge yourself into, but a lot more cohesive.
18:51.00drom_And I shamelessly "burrowed" the ranking table from Monet's draconids.
18:51.10Angrybirdsdrom_: Very very nicely formatted.
18:51.30HachimanI wouldn't mind being a caretaker
18:51.42drom_Thanks AB
18:51.46HachimanAndromeda being user-controlled is a bit silly
18:51.49CyrannianYour ships are very impressive drom, probably some of the best on the wiki.
18:51.59HachimanIt's just as populous as the Milky Way
18:52.17ImpersaelI do agree that Cyrannian and Dino's iron-curtain galaxies are the most organised though
18:52.28MonetWell it is nice to know which users are here os we can keep the maps and species lists and stuff updated.
18:52.50ImpersaelThen again Cyrannian started accepting new users recently
18:53.35Angrybirdsdrom : I'd stick some kind of ATGM on the tank destroyer if I were you. It'd make it a bit more versatile and useful.
18:53.50dromATGM?
18:54.01AngrybirdsAnti tank guided missile
18:54.09AngrybirdsAlso, get some form of AA. :P
18:54.35AngrybirdsThe fact that I'm not nitpicking your existing vehicles is an amazing sign, though. They're awesome.
18:55.55MonetHachiman: Perhaps having caretakers instead of admins is the better oprtion.
18:56.02dromYeah. But that cannon version is more of an "anti-armor"-sniper. Thanks for the advice though.
18:56.24AngrybirdsFrench Battlestar from the 2750's: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Superbe-class.png
18:57.30WormyCyrannian:  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:163294  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Fossil_Fighter_R.B.P./I%27m_New#comm-179929
18:57.47dromI like the design of those and the Draconid ships. But... no windows. *resists to press the "0/10"-button*
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18:58.17Wormythings i've suggested before in those comments
18:58.20Wormyhi
18:58.24CyrannianDino!
18:58.36MonetWIndows are a structural weakness anyway.
18:58.51WormyStuff like inspirational sources, good ways to start new fiction, etc.
18:59.00WormyOr the Taxonomy Project
18:59.37dromMonet: You also miss the moment where you could eat alot of popcorn.
18:59.54Monetdrom: In practice the Draconis replace windows with camera mountings in the hull plates
19:00.21dromOr say: the bridge getting crowed by crewmembers who want to see the show.
19:00.27AdmiralPandahey Dino
19:01.06MonetDraconis - You people put your command centres under the inner hul?
19:01.10dino__Hello All!
19:01.12Monethull*
19:01.24dromAemonkian - Yes.
19:01.32dino__How is all doing!!!!!! Here it is getting washed away by rain and thunder with lightning! Nice view!
19:01.58dino__@Monet: Amazing palace, Ramashe would be amazed! Do you have png adventure of it? I would love to view it in sporepedia!
19:02.03MonetDI warships have a command deck in the very centre of the ship.
19:02.04Cyrannian^
19:02.21Monetdino__: I might see about publishing the PNGs.
19:02.34ImpersaelDraconis are now geth hur
19:02.46dino__@Monet: Cool!
19:02.47MonetOne drawback is that it means I have to add "gaprop" to about a dozen models.
19:03.41dromMonet: I see. Naakjian ships do have a command center and an observation deck used as a bridge when not in firefights.
19:03.43ImpersaelMonet Hachiman: So... instead of punching people out of our turf we will help them integrate?
19:04.45ImpersaelIt feels like SporeWiki is a country now; we have elections, defined roles for various people, and a problem with immigration
19:05.05dromViva la Sporewikia!
19:05.26MonetDey tooh our jerrbs!
19:05.33dromShould we join EU?
19:05.41Angrybirdsodere
19:05.53WormyI say we declare a war on all sister wiki's.
19:06.06WormyTo conquer them into our empire.
19:06.07dino__@Imp: elections? For what?
19:06.09ImpersaelEssentially, yes this is how old users see new users hur
19:06.21Impersaeldino__: Featured articles, adminship
19:06.44ImpersaelWormy: The Glorious People's Democratic Federal Republic of SporeWiki
19:07.01dromPDFRS
19:07.05WormyWhat is the problem of immigration?  It is the fuel of our mighty empire!
19:07.20ImpersaelAye
19:07.23dromWe should make it as a joke article?
19:08.01WormyEventually we will be as big as google
19:08.15WormyAnd they will have to look up to us
19:08.39dino__@Imp: Ah that things! Oh do we get a new admin?
19:08.47dromI have already fixed our glourious army! http://elia.jootamam.net/kuvat/random/asdd/finnish-army.jpeg
19:08.52dino__Currently listening to Bon Jovi, great rock!
19:09.30ImpersaelNot atm
19:11.21dromWe should invade canada first.
19:11.22Impersaeldrom: Indeed we should, comrade drom
19:11.27dromhttp://www.blackframefame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Demotivational-Posters-Army-6-550x475.jpg
19:12.14MonetNot as bad as new Zealand's navy.
19:12.24dino__Doesn't matter, what you do or what country you will attack first, the Benelux will rule the world with their East Indian Trade Company 2.0
19:12.26dino__:P
19:13.02MonetAKA the Virgin group.
19:13.23MonetScrew geography
19:14.14Impersaeldino__: Just as soon as the effects of marijuana go away hur
19:14.31dino__@Imperios: hahaha indeed!
19:14.44dino__@Imperios: Wil if the effects are still working, just look and listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ8ygkx4fL8
19:14.51MonetThe Virgin group are alread launching spacecraft.
19:15.31Monethttp://blogs-images.forbes.com/alisoncoleman/files/2014/02/Richard-Branson1.jpg behold your beardy overlord.
19:16.02dromO-of sporewiki?
19:16.16MonetOf the world.
19:16.26dromshiiiiiieeeeeeet
19:16.46dino__The President of the USA says it was f un in dutch:L http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2mxbnsKVY
19:17.02dino__now that is cool! :D The former Pope did it as well with thanknig them for the flowers :D
19:18.58Monethttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327191812/spore/images/f/f6/Alcanti_Palace_Bedroom.png
19:19.16dino__now that is one cool and big bedroom
19:19.45dromShould we recurit CoD players into our army?
19:20.23MonetCoD kiddies are all shouting and no balls.
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19:20.51dromAnd running towards on the enemy with kitchen knifes.
19:21.20CyrannianAwesome work Monet
19:21.21dromBut there's lot more of them than soldiers.
19:21.39Monethttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3608192-381356-grey+knights,+space+marines,+terminator+armor.jpg Hachiman
19:21.49Wormy_awayI wonder what books are on his bookshelf
19:22.48HachimanMonet: dum grey knights ghey
19:23.18dromWormy_away: I guess it's books about how to find the finest wine.
19:23.24Monet5th ed Grey Knights were created from Matt Ward having a tantrum.
19:24.11Hachimanhur
19:24.28MonetCyrannian dino__: Actually, I will see about uploading the PNGs of these areas
19:24.49CyrannianI look forward to it Monet
19:25.13dromCyrannian: I am still hyped for GC.
19:25.34dino__nice
19:25.37CyrannianGood to hear drom, I look forward to our plans
19:26.20dromCyrannian: Yeah. But I don't exactly what to do now. *laziness intensifies*
19:26.39AdmiralPandato be fair to the guy, not everything he touches is all that bad
19:26.52AdmiralPandahe's done some pretty good things for the universe as a whole, and a few really dumb things
19:27.16dromMatt Ward?
19:27.26AdmiralPandayeah
19:27.41dromAh.
19:27.42AdmiralPandahe gets a lot of flak but people forget he's done at least as much good as he's done bad
19:28.11HachimanI kinda like what he did with Necrons
19:28.16HachimanHate what he did with Space Marines
19:28.33AdmiralPandahe did a fair few dumbs with the Space Marines
19:29.37MonetSpace marines are his pets.
19:29.45MonetUltramarines specifically
19:30.50dromI wonder how would "Gone with the Blastwave" work with fictionverse.
19:30.50dromhttp://www.blastwave-comic.com/index.php?p=comic&nro=13
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19:32.32AdmiralPandathe Centurions in particular were just full of dumb
19:34.37CyrannianDoes anyone volunteer to write the "Finding your Place" section?
19:34.55dromIs it in the guidelines?
19:35.13CyrannianIndeed, detailing what galaxy would be best suited to your style.
19:36.31dromI have little experience in that, but I can write it with help of users telling me their experience.
19:42.09dromWhere in the page could the section practically fit in?
19:49.18dromby the way, have some comics http://imgur.com/gallery/0lU8U
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19:55.18GhelaeHello.
19:55.48CyrannianHello
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19:56.00CyrannianHello
19:56.07XhoHK,BLHKB
19:56.18CyrannianI agree.
19:56.22Xhoaye
19:56.29OluapPlayerspu
19:56.51CyrannianMonet: Impersael: Hachiman: What type of fictions/users would you say would be drawn to Andromeda?
19:57.24HachimanFans of war stories, personal stories, emotional stories, and science fantasy
19:57.25ImpersaelThose interested in character-based stories
19:57.30ImpersaelAnd mystery
19:57.34HachimanJah
19:57.34ImpersaelYeah what Hachi said
19:57.40HachimanSpace opera basically
19:58.02HachimanPeople who like Warhammer 40k and Halo, those sorta things
19:58.14MonetLovecraft as well?
19:58.17XhoWhy I am not involved in Andromeda more is beyond me
19:59.32dino__Xho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:59.47CyrannianAnd do people require permission from one of you to start fiction there?
19:59.59HachimanHmm
20:00.02HachimanNah
20:00.20HachimanAlthough we are caretaking of Andromeda and we will take notice of people who set up there
20:00.33Cyrannian"The '''Andromeda Galaxy''' is currently coordinated by {{User1|Monet47}}, {{User1|TheImperios}} and {{user1|Lucario of the Gods}}, who welcome new fictions to Andromeda and serve as caretakers to new users seeking to set up fiction there. However, you do not need their permission to do so. "
20:01.18XhoHell I don't coordinate any galaxy
20:01.21Xhodafuq is dis shi
20:01.26OluapPlayeru cant coordinate urself
20:01.29dromneither do it
20:01.32dromI
20:01.47XhoDafuq is dis actual shi
20:01.54XhoThen again I destroyed the galaxy I coordinated
20:02.20HachimanCreated the fictionverse and owns the most powerful fiction on the wiki -> Complains about not coordinating a galaxy hur
20:02.34XhoYeah but
20:02.39XhoNot having a galaxy -> No real input
20:02.50XhoOr no coordinative input
20:03.01GhelaeYou don't coordinate a galaxy; you coordinate several demonic planes of existence.
20:03.06XhoYeah but
20:03.14XhoI'm the only one who uses those demonic planes of existence
20:03.18MonetYou have loads of imput.
20:03.21Monetinput*
20:03.38GhelaeYou were also the one one who used the galaxy that you coordinated. :P
20:04.02XhoWell that wasn't any godo
20:04.04Xho*good
20:04.29XhoAll I'm saying is that being here for 5 years and having loads of input and then not having a galaxy to coordinate is almost paradoxical
20:04.56Wormy_awayXho owns all the destroyed galaxies.
20:04.57GhelaeActually, it's not true that nobody else used it. I stuck some superweapons there that got blown up near the start of the Second Coming.
20:05.17OluapPlayerYou don't need to coordinate a galaxy when you coordinate the most powerful empire in the wiki
20:05.35dino__@Xho: I sue those plans a little bit as well (i.e. realms of the gods)
20:05.47XhoBah I need to set up something more collaborative
20:06.00XhoFantasyverse thing if it ever gets enough attention
20:06.40MonetYou can always try adding stuff to Andromeda.
20:06.43XhoTantum I'm beginning to get tired with really
20:07.16XhoThe story is beginning to get worn around the edges and I don't think it will last until the actual end of it
20:07.44OluapPlayerdum
20:07.50Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:House_Of_Ultanos_-_Halls.png btw I uploaded a png with one, not finished working on the other and I don't know if the PNGs in it can be accessed.
20:08.38CyrannianOluapPlayer: Borealis is closed for new members, right?
20:08.48XhoIdeally I want to get on to that Fantasyverse arc
20:09.15OluapPlayerYes
20:09.28dromDo you guys think this would be sporewiki if we all lived in the same city?
20:09.29dromhttp://i.imgur.com/SBDcYIC.jpg
20:10.09dino__@Monet: Oh going to check that as soon as possible!
20:10.47Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Xho/Fantasyverse_Collab_-_The_Eschaton Let's try and get better comments than laconic broken English
20:12.22OluapPlayerI don't have much to say other than what we already discussed
20:12.29MonetLooks like Oluap made such a comment then everyone else joined in
20:12.40OluapPlayerall muh fault
20:13.06XhoI want to make it an equivalent of GC but in the Fantasyverse
20:13.22Monetsends OluapPlayer to the naughty step
20:13.42OluapPlayerwhines loudly
20:14.08MonetDid anyone's parents actually use that?
20:14.25MonetPeopel here I mean, I think mine did.
20:14.28OluapPlayerNope
20:14.53XhoBut let's face it people, Lak'rajah is the ultimate scrappy
20:14.55dromMoney: What do you mean?
20:14.56HachimanMy sister does with her children
20:15.00dino__@Xho: It is a great idea!
20:15.03dino__Hope to get the Sinleri invovled
20:15.38OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Cherish_the_Twilight#Most_Powerful_Witch new section!
20:15.40ImpersaelXho: GC?
20:15.51XhoGigaquadrantic Conflicts
20:15.54Xhou fool
20:16.00Monetdrom: Did your parents force you to sit on a step for a certain amount of time whenever you were caught being naughty
20:16.41dromNope. But I have alot of empathy so I feel alot uncomfortable when there's negative energy around.
20:17.02ImpersaelOluapPlayer: Clothovera defeats her enemies with Hexus Voluptad
20:17.07CyrannianWhat type of fiction would appeal to those in Bunsen?
20:17.07ImpersaelVoluptas
20:17.23ImpersaelCyrannian: FREEDUHM
20:17.26XhoClotho - HEXUS VOLUPTAS                      Shiarchon - no hormones lul
20:17.43ImpersaelMeanwhile Kimorgos gets a boner
20:17.52XhoKimorgos gets a boner
20:17.53XhoNO SHIT LOL
20:18.03OluapPlayershup read
20:18.14Xhoi am fuk off
20:18.46dromhttp://i.imgur.com/uloQ1Uq.jpg
20:18.58MonetI get the suspicion fans of the Dragonball anime might love Tybusen's stuff.
20:19.05XhoDrom: ohgod
20:20.00Xho"Since I've married Hachi, I've learned to no longer fear anyone. The likes of the Exosubstratal used to make me shiver in fear. But now? I have little reason to feel fear."
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20:20.25XhoCaligaduro - ALL ABOARD THE RAPE TRAIN TO I-AM-GOING-TO-FUCK-YOU-SEVEN-WAYS-VILLE
20:20.33OluapPlayerClotho - nah
20:20.42XhoCaligaduro - free multipass tho
20:20.47CyrannianWhat type of fiction would appeal to those interested in Cyrannus?
20:21.06XhoHalo, Star Wars, Star Trek
20:21.09XhoStuff like that
20:21.18Monet"Lilu-Dalals-Moultipas"
20:21.29XhoMonet: dam u got the reference
20:21.29ImpersaelFanboys
20:21.30MonetDallas*
20:21.37CyrannianI mean, fictional themes that are more common in Cyrannus than other galaxies
20:21.44XhoOh right
20:21.45XhoErm
20:21.47XhoPolitics
20:21.49OluapPlayerdinesours
20:21.52ImpersaelStar Wars, Star Trek and Halo
20:21.59ImpersaelSeriously thoufh
20:22.01XhoImpersael: I just sed that
20:22.07ImpersaelMoral ambiguity, politics
20:22.12dromMan, I should buy a set of "cards against humanity"
20:22.12ImpersaelYeah tmwhat Xho ssid
20:23.09dino__@Monet: Amazing, very impressive throne room!
20:23.17dino__played it in the sporepedia! Awesome!
20:24.31MonetBased on this information i'd say Andromeda is suitable for people who like: warriors, classical mythology, lovecraftian entities and classical cultures.
20:25.00dromHow about Cyrannus?
20:25.13MonetAnd those spiritually-inclined*.
20:25.24XhoAndromeda is oozing with lovecraftian entities hur
20:26.49ImpersaelMonet and Cyrannian: I think there is another major theme in Andromeda: history
20:27.13ImpersaelAs in, many of its cultures and events borrow heavily from IRL civilisations
20:27.15MonetHistory could apply to Cyrannus too.
20:27.24MonetWell
20:27.57MonetAndromeda for, yes, past civilisations, Cyrannus for examination of how the past can affect the future or perhaps repeat itself.
20:28.10ImpersaelDraconis are Roman, Radeons are Ancien Hebrew/Imperial Chinese/Medieval Arab
20:28.12Impersaeletc
20:30.09Monetdino__: Thanks and I'm glad you liked it. Ramashe shouldn't be jealous though.
20:30.11ImpersaelGranted, "past affecting the future" is a major theme in Borealis and Andromeda as well
20:31.36dino__@Monet: Really! I replaced the draconis with Ramashe, look at the ceiling! That is very high! It feels really impressive! And fun to see it is way differant that what I normally create, Rambo things are more smaller but this is just majestic! :D
20:32.34MonetI wonder if the throne room s stretch modern engineering modern engienering.
20:33.05OluapPlayerSo what did you guys think of the new section
20:33.09dino__:D
20:33.13OluapPlayerIt took me and Hachi 4 hours to make it
20:33.41XhoTwas a good section
20:33.42MonetOluapPLayer: I'd love to read it but I'm a bit preoccupied at the moment.
20:33.46ImpersaelI agrre
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20:33.56XhoClotho and Hachi have got serious attachment problems though
20:33.59DrodoEmpireHey, everyone.
20:34.05MonetThis time I genuinely am though.
20:34.05dino__hello drodo
20:34.19OluapPlayerClotho is quite possessive for Hachi
20:34.38GhelaeHello.
20:35.43CyrannianSame question for the Quadrant Galaxies.
20:35.48AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: I thought it was kinda cool, I just have absolutely no understanding of who they were fighting so I didn't have much attachment to it
20:35.53AdmiralPandawell written though
20:36.21OluapPlayerThey were fighting a bunch of mutant cultists who serve an insane god
20:36.28Wormy_awayIf Hachi ever rejects Clotho...  http://blogs.orlandoweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/fatalattractionbunny.jpg
20:36.45OluapPlayerAye
20:41.22Cyrannianhttp://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327203507/spore/images/b/bf/RBY21.png - Hachi possessed Dino's body when this was made.
20:41.44AdmiralPandahuehuehue
20:41.58AdmiralPandaHachiman what u doin possessing people?
20:42.23dromI just found out that "Cards against Humanity" is also available as a game under development
20:42.24Xhoeuheuheuheuh
20:42.31dromOnline.
20:44.09MonetCyrannian: :Tekai Voice: Ohh my!
20:46.09Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Ahdramil.C3.BAs_the_Immutable There's a character
20:46.24OluapPlayerI won't lie
20:46.29OluapPlayerI tried making a picure like that once
20:46.34OluapPlayerDidn't look too good though
20:46.40Xhohur
20:46.41CyrannianA nude picture?
20:46.50OluapPlayerYes
20:47.37HachimanIt ended up with That Picture
20:47.56OluapPlayerNope, That Picture happened before
20:48.36OluapPlayerCan't remember the character I was using
20:48.42Wormy_awayLol there is a massive crack/fault-line in my ceiling right above where I'm sitting.
20:48.42XhoThat Picture?
20:48.46OluapPlayerIt was either Kirlisir or Kalcedia
20:48.49OluapPlayerPerhaps I tried with both
20:49.33Hachimando dis again
20:49.59OluapPlayermehbeh...*sniff* mehbeh...
20:50.16Xho"I've yet to meet one who can outsmart DONG"
20:50.39XhoReed dat link I posted
20:50.40OluapPlayeroutexpand dong
20:50.45OluapPlayerI did
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20:50.52OluapPlayerIt's nothing I alrady don't know hur
20:50.56Xhodum
20:50.58Xhodummus maximus
20:51.07Hachimanbiggus dickus
20:51.13Xhonottus hachus
20:51.46Hachimanknottus dogpenus
20:52.07dino__?
20:52.17Liquid_InkI have a vewy good fwiend in Wome called Bickus Dickus
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20:58.25Wormy_away70's lady http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327203507/spore/images/b/bf/RBY21.png
20:58.58dino__it is for an upcomign part of the RBY
20:58.58Hachimanaww yiss
20:59.10dino__or is it too much?
20:59.44HachimanNeeds more nudity
20:59.50dino__:P
21:01.21Wormy_awayshe'll need a good shave.
21:01.29Hachimanohgod
21:01.57OluapPlayerhoh
21:05.12OluapPlayerFor those who read the section, http://youtu.be/aCxY7oQMbK0?t=2m5s think of Clothovera's magic sword attack looking like this
21:05.15OluapPlayerIt's dark Souls 2 btw
21:13.40OluapPlayerhttps://31.media.tumblr.com/56a793c9f94c6d7840079e457e90eee8/tumblr_n036wsQ51p1r6vp0po1_500.jpg
21:15.56dino__I hope to do those images and stories in the co  ing weekend
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21:20.13dino__http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Valdemar_Mistwood
21:20.14dino__nice page!
21:20.54Hachimanhttp://www.damnlol.com/i/92b91676bfcf57c7426f89d02f5a30f9.jpg
21:21.22Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_guidelines - This is what I have so far. Obviously nowhere near completion
21:22.50dino__@Hachi: Death from above!
21:23.21drom"What's our next superhero?"
21:23.27drom"Police brutality"
21:24.57ImpersaelHachiman OluapPlayer Monet Technobliterator Xho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Valdemar_Mistwood
21:24.58ImpersaelPage completed
21:25.34dino__nice guidelines Cyrannian! Well done!
21:25.49OluapPlayerCyrannian: Impressive work
21:25.50dino__Oh o have to leave again
21:25.51dino__bye all!
21:25.53dino__see ya next time
21:26.06CyrannianThanks my two favourite gal pals
21:26.52OluapPlayerQuoted Valdumar
21:28.26HachimanCyrannian: Awesome, I love the updates
21:28.36CyrannianThanks
21:28.58ImpersaelCyrannian: I agree with Hachi
21:29.09ImpersaelOluapPlayer: dats some Latar logic
21:29.19ImpersaelLatar and Norrigan should get along
21:29.31OluapPlayerThey do as far as i'm concerned
21:29.56HachimanI can imagine Ryza and Yurtnezz wouldn't like each other
21:30.09HachimanRyza is so far disconnected from the standard drow
21:30.31OluapPlayerYurtnezz would probably find her too silly for his liking
21:30.53OluapPlayerYurtnezz - ur pirate jokes wuldnt help u last a second agenst vampires
21:31.02Wormy_awaysad'ish music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et_lDyRymrw
21:31.05dromCyrannian, the page looks a'lot more cleaner. I like it.
21:31.17Cyranniandanke
21:31.26ImpersaelNow I need to stop writing bout humans and make a few elves
21:31.45Cyrannianhttp://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121008171625/starwars/images/8/81/Bith_band_TCWf.png - I'm going to try and create a Cyrannian version.
21:31.50OluapPlayerBorealis will be forever known as the greedy mean galaxy no one can join
21:31.58HachimanYurtnezz accuses Ryza of being unexperienced with vampires -> Wears Vurdalak teeth and horn fragments around her neck
21:32.18Impersael<PROTECTED>
21:32.27OluapPlayerYurtnezz - well i fought count dalverat and lived fuk ur teeth
21:32.44HachimanRyza - fuk me in da teef m8
21:32.51XhoPelagrios - gladly
21:32.54OluapPlayerYurtnezz - noh ur probably full of disease
21:33.00ImpersaelShe'll be a corrupt elven noble of some sort, a Sovereign counterpart to Javi
21:33.12XhoRight so I've made Ahdramilús the Immutable
21:33.21OluapPlayerSovereign page needs more completion
21:33.25OluapPlayerdo dis gosh darn
21:33.28HachimanI'll work on it
21:33.29OluapPlayerXho: show dis
21:33.32ImpersaelDoes she look good?
21:33.37HachimanAye she does
21:33.41HachimanNeeds less clothes though
21:33.44HachimanLess around the chest
21:33.46OluapPlayerHamoins - fantastic
21:34.03ImpersaelShe has a cleavage
21:34.17ImpersaelAnd Hachiman
21:34.18Xho"What more could you want" -> "More cleavage"
21:34.37ImpersaelShe is probably bisexual though I am not sure about that
21:35.33OluapPlayerShe needs an Erylia Elf girlfriend
21:35.38OluapPlayerThen her house burns down and she dies
21:35.40ImpersaelHur
21:35.40OluapPlayerhapi endin
21:35.56ImpersaelI am not sure about her own species though
21:36.03ImpersaelWhat subspecies could she be?
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21:37.05Technobliteratorhii
21:37.07OluapPlayerdumba
21:37.11Technobliteratorya dad
21:37.26Liquid_InkHello
21:37.49GhelaeHell.
21:37.51GhelaeHello*
21:38.19HachimanShe looks a bit too alien to be drow
21:38.37HachimanAnd besides, it's very rare to see drow politicians in the Sovereign
21:38.48OluapPlayerShe doesn't look like any current subspecies
21:38.59OluapPlayerhttps://24.media.tumblr.com/cba22e9f5652b1800a08623066f0618f/tumblr_n2x2mvLx6V1qi67rao1_500.jpg
21:39.12Hachimanolol
21:39.40Wormy_awaylol
21:39.52Xhohttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327213924/spore/images/d/d4/Ahdramil%C3%BAs_the_Immutable.png dere
21:40.05Wormy_away"shrek is love shrek is life" - Read that on youtube just now
21:40.07OluapPlayerI expected an old guy with a beard
21:40.18Wormy_awayShrek is everywhere
21:40.20HachimanGeezush
21:40.33XhoNo it's a tall armoured lich with serious ego issues
21:40.34dromWe need a shrek with masterrace beard
21:40.54ImpersaelMonet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Valdemar_Mistwood
21:40.55OluapPlayeris gud egotistic lich
21:40.57ImpersaelLich
21:41.11ImpersaelPraetinnath - LISTEN HERE U LITTLE SHIT
21:41.30HachimanEventually we'll need a page to distinguish undead hur
21:41.35Wormy_awayShrek has taken over
21:41.38XhoAhdramilús - shup
21:41.41XhoAhdramilús is dead anyway
21:41.47OluapPlayerSepulchrus - ur both equally ghey
21:41.59XhoHis lore will play a more important part in the Eschaton when it eventually gets going
21:42.48ImpersaelWhatdyathink Mon?
21:42.52MonetI was watching this documentary on the court of Louis XIV at Versailles.
21:43.23ImpersaelHm
21:43.32Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xho/Random_Things#Ahdramil.C3.BAs_the_Immutable There we go new picture
21:43.35ImpersaelWould it be weird if I made Javina's gf blonde?
21:43.52HachimanIsn't she supposed to be black?
21:44.28ImpersaelExactly
21:44.32HachimanHmm
21:44.36ImpersaelLike, Melanesian-esque
21:44.38HachimanNah, it's diverse
21:45.04ImpersaelMaybe the kind of magic she used chsnfed her hair
21:45.08Impersaelchanged
21:45.19Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Caligaduro_Provectus#Servants Caligaduro has a bitchin' number of servants
21:45.21XhoAlthough 2 are dead
21:45.28ImpersaelXho: Caligopimp
21:45.45MonetImperiosael: Marcos Ridgewood - “Another human. Yes. Feels strange having all these... aliquams around me. I'll never get used to it.”
21:45.54MonetBut...Marcos is a baron of the EMpire.
21:46.07MonetWell...was
21:47.07ImpersaelWhat Valdemar is trying to say is that Marcos is like the only person who doesn't make him shit himself
21:47.19Xhohttp://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140326184423/spore/images/0/04/Shiarchon.png New Shiarchon picture for anyone who hasn't seen
21:47.22ImpersaelEveryone else makes him nervous, but he doesn't
21:47.38HachimanNew Shiarchon look bright
21:47.41HachimanBut still very cool]
21:47.57XhoI wanted to give them a brighter appearance
21:48.01ImpersaelThey look gray
21:48.01MonetOkay so its more "I'm glad this human is around, this group doesn't feel so strange with him"
21:48.11XhoI was originally going to have them with a royal blue and gold armour
21:48.15Impersaelya
21:48.18XhoBut the colours on the DI parts didn't allow it
21:48.33HachimanImpersael: Most people get nervous around drow anyway because they are often untrustworthy and they have a negative-magic presence
21:48.58dromXho: Try with other version of the part if there's any available.
21:49.00HachimanThat and most older drow can manipulate you by controlling your blood
21:49.09XhoDrom: I did, didn't work
21:49.18TechnobliteratorCyrannian: why did you copy out the "Project:Create a page" contents to the fiction guidelines?
21:49.42ImpersaelTechnobliterator: Did you see Vald's page?
21:49.44CyrannianSo make it easier for new users to start their fiction.
21:49.59Technobliteratorsure, but why copy it out?
21:50.19HachimanHe just said
21:50.27TechnobliteratorImpersael: I did, and I'll throw a Sefarina and Lak'rajah quote
21:50.41Technobliteratorand I just asked
21:51.09Technobliteratoroh
21:51.16Technobliteratorit wasn't actually copied word for word
21:51.37Technobliteratorbecause, you could just do {{SporeWiki:Create a page}} and then there is no need for any copying
21:52.31CyrannianI didn't think putting the entire thing on the page looked very neat.
21:53.21Technobliteratoralright
21:53.36Technobliteratoranyway; I like the current look of the page, but I could do some more expansion to it later
21:56.25TechnobliteratorImpersael: quoted
21:57.54CyrannianBye!
21:59.14MonetFrom that documentary it turns out the best way to get King Louis' XIV's favour at court was...be the biggest toadying, trend-following yes-man that you can.
22:01.36MonetThere was one report of an italian architect who diddn't like his treatment by the king. SO as a peace treaty he offered the king a statue of the man on the back of a horse.
22:02.43MonetWHen Louis got it he put it at the VERY end of thep alace gardens.
22:03.21MonetSeveral kilometres fro mthe palace itself
22:06.43MonetI guess that's one of the issues of a hereditery monarchy - there's nothing much stopping an heir of Joffrey Barathorn level maturity from becoming king.
22:09.15MonetThis makes me dread an imperium under Tyrus Ultanos
22:11.35Hachimanhur
22:14.39MonetMaybe that's the model Tyrus adopts; where the best way to gain his favour is to grovel like a human footstool.
22:15.04MonetBut only at times he feels lik being grovelled at.
22:15.38HachimanAye
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22:16.28AdmiralPandahi all
22:16.31MonetHi
22:16.31GhelaeHello.
22:17.09AdmiralPandaSo, I'm watching Game Grumps for the first time, namely their recent SPORE series. Is this a good representation of their normal content?
22:33.15HachimanGhelae: Do you know if Old Tongue in Koldenwelt is simply Latin?
22:34.42GhelaeWell, that's the way we represent it, although it could just be translated into Latin for our benefit (as both fill the niche of being ancient practically-dead languages of a large empire whose influences are felt across the world).
22:35.52Technobliteratorgame grumps did spor?
22:35.55Technobliterator*spore
22:36.05HachimanSteam Train, yes
22:36.28Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUNFnjmP4o Kezoreg, the musical.
22:36.28Technobliteratoroh right
22:37.02AdmiralPandaWould it be a good representation of their usual content?
22:37.39HachimanI think so yeah
22:41.22MonetI am torn between vince reminding me of either Kezoreg or Kol Daren.
22:44.07MonetSince VInce is quite partial to social discrimination, eugenics and casual prison-style rape.
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22:45.58TekDroidSeems I had disconnected almost an hour ago
22:46.03TekDroid~Test
22:46.03infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
23:00.39GhelaeI'm going to go now. Bye!
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23:05.07Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72zLHGCOm-0 this sounds oddly familiar...
23:05.22Monet(sorry for all the rude songs btw, but I love this show)
23:10.07Hachimanolol
23:10.49Technobliteratoraw
23:11.01TechnobliteratorI wanted to work on making guidelines pretty but I won't have time today :(
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23:14.02AdmiralPandahello all
23:14.20Technobliteratorheya
23:14.38Technobliteratorpanda, if you want to discuss that thing now then it'd be cool (but I only have 15 mins)
23:15.04AdmiralPandadon't think we'd have time to make proper progress
23:15.50Technobliteratorwe don't have to make any story or anything, just a plan for the first one (or two)
23:16.26AngrybirdsWormy_away : I have an interesting math problem if you want to tackle it when you come back.
23:17.10Wormy_awayokay, I might be available in 1-2 hours
23:18.20AngrybirdsAlright.
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23:23.36Monethttp://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140327232249/spore/images/4/49/Alcanti_Palace_Study.png last image for tonight.
23:25.56HachimanI like how he has a leaning chair in his study
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23:26.51MonetNot really.
23:27.17MonetDraconis chairs are generally designed so your torso is supported on a cushion at the front.
23:27.31HachimanOoh I see
23:27.46MonetIt's their backs.
23:28.09Monetwings + dinosaur tail+ forward arch of their spine = human chair doesn't really work.
23:28.14AvilladoxHey, at least they have chairs. Avilian chairs are basically dog beds.
23:28.39MonetI had to think a little for a recliner.
23:29.15MonetSO I figured Draconis recliners and beds aren't that much different.
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