IRC log for #sporewiki on 20140210

00:00.35OluapPlayerAlright I found the shortcut, made things much simpler
00:00.39dromlexerDoes this explain all? http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/631912504059954106/D7B67F2EB240B7EA72D9A72EA6F24884FC2ACC00/
00:00.43OluapPlayerTime to try 4Kids with Uchi
00:01.53ALaggyPandadromlexer: THE LEGEND NEVER DIIIIEEEESSSS
00:03.09dromlexerMore top lel artworks with dark souls
00:03.10dromlexerhttp://steamcommunity.com/app/211420/images/?p=1&browsefilter=toprated
00:03.21OluapPlayerpff
00:03.22dromlexerLoading times might be slow
00:03.26OluapPlayerCouldn't evne kill a single King
00:03.46ALaggyPandawut
00:03.48OluapPlayerAnd their attacks still go through my shield
00:03.50ALaggyPandahao u so bad
00:03.59OluapPlayerfuk u faget
00:04.03ALaggyPandaKo: they're still gonna go through, but that's cus there's no 100% magic resist shield
00:04.23ALaggyPandaand you sold the soul to one of the 90% shields, and you're too weak to use the other 90% shield
00:04.52OluapPlayerdam dis
00:05.00OluapPlayerI'm gonna farm souls to upgrade my Zwei to +15
00:06.26OluapPlayerthere done already hur
00:07.29ALaggyPandaI was about to say make it divine or lightning for dat bonus damage but whatever works for you
00:07.47ALaggyPandago buy some gold pine resin from domnhall or something
00:08.35dromlexergotta go and sleep
00:08.42dromlexerngiht muthafackars
00:08.49ALaggyPandarude
00:08.51OluapPlayerYou said it yourself I should make the Zwei regular +15
00:09.22dromlexerALaggyPanda: because habits
00:09.34dromlexerGood night anyway.
00:09.37ALaggyPandaI know, I'm just saying that 4Kings are weak to lightning or divine
00:10.00ALaggyPandabut now that you've spent a slab on it, just keep it normal and use gold pine resin
00:27.15OluapPlayerBha i'll try again tomorrow
00:27.20OluapPlayerBah even
00:27.46ALaggyPanda:P
00:34.12MonetLoking at my recent work on DA, yeah, what the hell was I thinking?
00:35.13MonetGoing into Architecture that is
00:37.44Monethttp://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/WIP-Uriel-s-Longsabre-433041029 I created this tonight for instance
00:41.43TekDroidI like it. The gold part at the base of the blade is very interesting
00:42.26TekDroidAnd the handle is simple yet well done and appealing
00:43.18TekDroidThat what you're looking for? XD
00:44.28TekDroidI'm joking of course, that was sincere.
00:44.32MonetWell...its more...I wonder how I got "architecture" from this.
00:44.41OluapPlayerHachi_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GIp-lOn0ls
00:45.18TekDroid~test
00:45.19infobotextra, extra, read all about it, test is not funny
00:46.04ALaggyPandaMonet: I want to make a Skyrim curved sword joke but it's a sabre :P
00:46.28MonetHeh
00:47.08MonetThe crossguad may be a bit ostentatious.
00:47.21ALaggyPandadepends, are you looking for a functional or ceremonial sword?
00:47.23MonetBut the idea is Uriel uses this sword both for combat and showing off
00:47.45MonetDefinitely fits the ceremonial criteria.
00:48.05ALaggyPandain that case it works fine, since you can use the protrusions to catch an opponent's blade
00:48.34MonetOh yeah...
00:49.08ALaggyPandain fact it'd be rather effective as a ceremonial duelling weapon in my opinion
00:50.02Monet...perfect for Uriel then
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00:50.21DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
00:50.34ALaggyPandasomething about those dots makes me think you have doubts
00:50.35MonetI imagine he would have used this durng his visit to the Fordan Empire.
00:50.37ALaggyPandasomething wrong?
00:51.05MonetNah, i'm just surprised how ideal i've made the design.
00:52.50OluapPlayerHachi_: and dis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHanNE1IcSU and dis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mElcgzq2Nm8
00:53.35Hachi_Can't watch vids on this
00:54.09OluapPlayerdam
00:54.21OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/UyXQm3I.gif have it in gif form then
00:54.38Hachi_ohgodlol
00:54.39MonetMight not be so good for battle but then again Uriel's also a fair marksman
00:55.19OluapPlayerAnd I just noticed Artorias on that gif
00:55.50MonetOne thing that I might have not shown in the Andromeda War or the Borealis War is that Uriel's still a modern fighter. He's not always the type to rush into battle with a sword glinting in the sunlight.
00:56.13OluapPlayerNorrigan - y da fuk not
00:56.30OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/xuNxWOv.jpg Don't mess With Mushroom Man
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00:56.50Hachi_That's Dragon God hur
00:56.51MonetUriel - Coz I'll get shot to pieces before I get close
00:57.14OluapPlayerI came across some Mushroom Kids when I went to kill Sif
00:57.16OluapPlayerThey're cute hur
00:57.23ALaggyPandaMonet: for a general combat sword I'd suggest more of your typical longsword, but ultimately the choice is up to you
00:57.37ALaggyPandalongswords tend to be better against armour and all
00:57.51OluapPlayerGive Uriel a zweihander hur
00:58.02MonetOluapPlayer: He already has one
00:58.03ALaggyPandaalso, sad moment: I just realised Hel' can't use the hand-and-a-half grip ;-:
00:58.08ALaggyPanda;-;*
00:58.19OluapPlayerwhen dis happen
00:58.49MonetZewihander = 2-hander in German.
00:59.05OluapPlayerI'm talking about Dark Souls' zweihander
00:59.12ALaggyPandaMonet: it also refers to a specific set of designs for a two-handed swrod
00:59.14ALaggyPandasword*
00:59.21ALaggyPandaalmost everything in the european era was two handed
00:59.52OluapPlayerThen again something like a zweihander would look like a regular sword in the hands of something as big as a draconis
01:00.21MonetDraconis-scale Zweihander. Problem solved
01:00.25OluapPlayerhoh
01:00.33OluapPlayerHe starts bashing people into the floor with it
01:00.33OluapPlayerraep
01:00.48OluapPlayerALaggyPanda: This reminds me, how good are Taurus/Capra weapons?
01:00.56OluapPlayerI got them when I went to the Deemun Ruins
01:00.58Monethttp://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/364/9/f/german_zweihander_by_eblackmore-d362obd.jpg one kay aspect that I see in making a sword a Zewi: Those two prongs.
01:01.15ALaggyPandaprettymuch
01:02.28ALaggyPandathe ricasso and guard is one of the distinctive features of the blade
01:02.35OluapPlayerpanda dam u
01:02.46ALaggyPandaOluapPlayer: Not very
01:02.49MonetWell if it helps, WoW Marcos walked around with a weapon like that.
01:03.06MonetSo Koldenwelt Marcos would have the same weapon
01:03.11OluapPlayerbaw
01:03.26ALaggyPandaMonet: If there is no hand-and-a-half grip involved I'm gonna b mad :3
01:03.32OluapPlayerhttp://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130722224825/darksouls/images/d/d8/Zweihander_IG.png he uses dis then
01:03.36OluapPlayerminus the girl
01:05.42ALaggyPandaactually I suppose the ricasso wouldn't have the thermic effect, so Hel' could in fact use the grip
01:06.02ALaggyPandabut no half-swording with regular longswords, which is sad
01:06.42Monethttp://blog.8bitlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/destiny.jpg this is the sword WoW Marcos had
01:07.06ALaggyPandasees sharpened ricasso
01:07.07ALaggyPandaNGH
01:07.41ALaggyPandaother than that it looks fine
01:08.03ALaggyPandain fact, with a proper ricasso, it'd be more effective than the dark souls version
01:08.33MonetBrace yourself... http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080604111748/wowwiki/images/c/ca/Zweihander.jpg THIS is a vendor-level "Zweihander" in WoW.
01:08.47OluapPlayerNot big enough
01:08.51OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/PJ6z7lG.jpg?1 how do you fuck up this badly
01:08.51ALaggyPandanot the worst thing ever, but not a zweihander
01:09.12ALaggyPandaOluapPlayer: This is not ordinary stupid. This is advanced stupid.
01:09.41MonetWrong crossguard, no ricasso and the blade is too fat.
01:11.28OluapPlayerhttp://puu.sh/6O43Q.jpg
01:12.28OluapPlayerhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/693/971/89a.jpg Obama you silly creature
01:12.41ALaggyPandamore like no crossguard, no ricasso and a really badly shaped blade
01:13.20MonetNo surprise its a vendor weapon.
01:13.31ALaggyPandaI also can't see the weight being well distributed on that thing
01:13.43ALaggyPanda*gaming swords*
01:13.45OluapPlayerHachi_: A bunch of Facepunchers helped playtest the newest Postal 2 update. As a thank you gift, the devs added photos of various Facepunchers into the game
01:13.52OluapPlayerIncluding postal's ass
01:14.12MonetIn terms of quality, its the kind of equipment a fermer would by to desperately protect their crops.
01:14.19Monetfarmer*
01:14.44MonetThat more proper Zwei I linked is more worthy for adventurers.
01:17.25ALaggyPandafun fact: flat faced hammers are primarily made of an element called dumtanium
01:17.54ALaggyPandahttp://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120305235242/elderscrolls/images/3/32/Daedricwarhammer.png This hammer is actually more dangerous swung the other way around
01:17.58ALaggyPandaas in point first
01:18.24MonetMore inertia per square inch?
01:18.39OluapPlayerhttps://31.media.tumblr.com/87046c251cccca1284b7f738adc83e11/tumblr_n0of3jDd5O1qcgnxeo1_500.jpg
01:18.55MonetIs this the same logic of the morningstar over a club?
01:19.16ALaggyPandayeah prettymuch
01:19.30ALaggyPandasame force, much smaller impact zone
01:19.36ALaggyPandaand with a spike you get good penetration
01:19.54ALaggyPanda9/10 Hachi_ s recommend greater penetration
01:20.06ALaggyPandaOluapPlayer: Yes
01:20.30MonetDrawing up the Andromedan Highlords.
01:20.52ALaggyPandahttp://www.wallpaperfo.com/thumbnails/detail/20130601/video%20games%20league%20of%20legends%20hammer%20armor%20artwork%20taric_www.wallpaperfo.com_1.jpg One example of a fantasy hammer more effective than it looks
01:20.53MonetI feel that in this current pic there's a bit of wing envy when comparing Tyraz and Uriel.
01:21.04ALaggyPandathat hammer shatters inside you, you're gonna feel it
01:21.12MonetFucking OW
01:21.17ALaggyPandaMonet: I look forward to seeing it
01:21.32MonetNot entirely visible its just...
01:21.55MonetUriel being a Draconis who can still fly, he has folded up giant wings.
01:21.57ALaggyPandaMonet: I meant the picture of the highlords
01:22.04ALaggyPandanot just the wing envy
01:22.27MonetZazane if i recall have rather diminutive wings, only for show these days
01:22.32ALaggyPandaone scary thing about Taric though: one of his abilities involves shattering the gemstones on his armour, sending razor shards flying out in all directions
01:22.45OluapPlayerhttps://24.media.tumblr.com/06cea6d12583060a8dd09bb9af3b10cf/tumblr_n0laui6Lx01qzer4fo1_500.jpg <3
01:22.48ALaggyPandanow imagine him slamming his hammer into you, and shattering the gems on the end
01:23.06OluapPlayerHachi_: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7694/j8wo.png
01:23.47ALaggyPandaso eah
01:23.48MonetI say wing envy because its pretty damn clear even at the sketch stage - and with Tyraz's wings open and Uriel's closed - who has a much greater wingspan.
01:23.50ALaggyPandapain
01:26.54ALaggyPandaMonet: I wonder, if you ever have the time, do you think you could have a go at drawing Hel'?
01:27.36OluapPlayerhttp://tigerlilytoph.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/cat-king.jpg i am king
01:27.45MonetSure. I'd love to!
01:28.13OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/7MbjWtY.png what kind of slang is this
01:28.32ALaggyPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hel%27Bre%27K_Ce%27So%27Va#Blademaster.E2.80.99s_Armoury This has a small novel written on what his armour looks like
01:28.49MonetOluapPlayer: Sadly, i have heard that term
01:29.02OluapPlayerSpeaking of novels
01:29.07OluapPlayergit going with that Clothovera thing
01:29.19ALaggyPandaI will do that tonight when I have the spare time to
01:29.36ALaggyPandahaven't been able to the last few days, but I'll have time tonight
01:30.32OluapPlayerNow I came across this, apparently there's an animal shelter where children read books to cats
01:30.40OluapPlayerI'm literally choking in cute
01:32.09OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/8ycedJx.png I read this in a thick russian accent
01:33.23MonetThe old painting-wiith-peepers spy routine.
01:33.49OluapPlayerHachi_: https://31.media.tumblr.com/e1c38c576696ca9544fc102519d4970a/tumblr_inline_n0lruxa3e21r91lvn.gif new Sonic
01:37.07ALaggyPandaMonet: Reading through my description of Hel's armour, I realised two things
01:38.18ALaggyPandaone, not a big enough bevor, and two, it was an alien snake that was the first opponent considered cowardly or shameful enough to get the Ce'So'Va treatment
01:38.27ALaggyPandaof all things, a snake
01:38.35ALaggyPandathat wasn't even planned
01:39.07MonetEh?
01:39.18ALaggyPandayou know, snakes are normally associated with treachery and all
01:39.41ALaggyPandaand Ce'So'Va have a very particular way of dealing with enemies considered to be cowardly or dishonourable
01:39.41MonetRight right
01:40.33MonetWell goodnight.
01:41.56OluapPlayerhttps://24.media.tumblr.com/8be7468534d182692141c44fdcc708ca/tumblr_mzq2mk42Uc1r15p1go1_500.gif this kills the store
01:42.24ALaggyPandasurprising amount of force in that
01:42.47ALaggyPandaI think Hel's page is 50% describing his armour
01:43.15OluapPlayerA naked guy then parries and backstabs him then goes "Well what is it"
01:43.50ALaggyPandaHel' gets back up and wrecks him
01:44.01OluapPlayerHe ain't a Giantdad to do dat
01:44.49ALaggyPandaHe taught the giantdads
01:44.55ALaggyPandaOnlyAfro is secretly Hel's apprentice
01:45.00ALaggyPandaanyway, brb
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02:33.11DrodoEmpireHello,
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02:44.39TekDroidDrodoEmpire: I got stuck in a regency for a 3 yesr old heir in EUIV. D:
02:44.45TekDroid*year
02:44.55DrodoEmpireOuch 3:
02:45.37TekDroidAt least I get a decade to prepare for war. XD
02:54.51Angrybirdshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Francs-tireurs_de_Karone_flag.png
02:56.31PabloDePabloAnyone have tips for a good creature page?  I want the Tundrakle page the best it can be
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02:57.54AdmiralPandahello all
02:58.03AngrybirdsYou could inspire yourself from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
02:59.22AdmiralPandaAngrybirds: I don't feel inspired, what are you talking about?
02:59.49Angrybirds[18:56] <PabloDePablo> Anyone have tips for a good creature page?  I want the Tundrakle page the best it can be
03:00.03Angrybirds*bonks*
03:02.59AdmiralPandaI see
03:28.40AdmiralPandaoh by the way, PabloDePablo: I'm sort of the wiki's unofficial biology nut, so if you ever have questions relating to the way your creature may work on a biological level, hit me up.
03:30.29PabloDePabloAlright
03:30.58PabloDePabloMy species is pretty simple in terms of a design aspect- I took inspiration from a lot of animals
03:31.07PabloDePabloMainly walruses and larger primates
03:34.59AdmiralPandaalways a good start
03:35.07AdmiralPandaleave me a PM if you're ever unsure about anything
04:40.45DrodoEmpire"Amazingly, at the dawn of the most mechanized war in history, men on horseback carrying these long sticks to poke the enemy with, were still considered the elite units in the armies of Britain and Germany."
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04:45.19AdmiralPandaDrodo: wut?
04:45.32AdmiralPandaI know you're talking about cav but wut
04:51.05AngrybirdsAdmiralPanda : What did he say?
04:51.20AdmiralPanda[14:40] <DrodoEmpire> "Amazingly, at the dawn of the most mechanized war in history, men on horseback carrying these long sticks to poke the enemy with, were still considered the elite units in the armies of Britain and Germany."
04:51.26AdmiralPandaI was wondering what he was referencing
04:51.48DrodoEmpireA page refering to lancers' tactical usefulness during the first world war
04:52.07AdmiralPandafair enough
04:52.10DrodoEmpireI should have mentioned. :P
04:52.36AdmiralPandawhich reminds me, in addition to Clothovera's Furry Fantasia (don't ask) I should start writing the ANZR and ANZAC pages tonight
04:53.28DrodoEmpireThough reading the entire article, it was more of a awkward diatribe then anything else; It pretty much devolved (at several points) into shitting on the Isreali and Canadian Militaries and then abruptly back to the usual shitting on the lancers. :P
04:55.35AdmiralPandalol
04:56.11AdmiralPandaI get the feeling the ANZAC military is going to be highly mobile, relying on small unit tactics wherever possible as opposed to mass operations
04:56.23AdmiralPandaand certainly avoiding getting stuck into a land war
04:56.30AdmiralPandaor trench war is more accurate
04:56.38AdmiralPandano trenches, trenches are bad
04:57.22Angrybirds"which reminds me, in addition to Clothovera's Furry Fantasia (don't ask) I should start writing the ANZR and ANZAC pages tonight" - DO EEEEEEEEEEEEEET.
04:57.40AdmiralPandaI know, I haven't been able to use my computer much
04:58.09AdmiralPandaand before you say anything, I'm at work right now, can't write fiction
04:59.46AngrybirdsGot it. The French relies a lot more on mechanized/armored maneuver warfare than anything else.
05:00.28AngrybirdsTheir tanks are on the light/fast end of the spectrum, even their MBT, the Ulysses, which sacrifices armor for mobility.
05:01.24AdmiralPandaWe don't have the numbers to pull mass operations, so most of what we do is covert
05:02.03AdmiralPandaif we have to go face to face we'd rely on manoeuvre and positioning to make the most of any force multipliers we can get our hands on
05:04.08AngrybirdsBefore they developed the Ulysses and C-40 light tank to be used in conjunction, though, they were using the venerable C-39, a small and fast MBT. It wasn't quite a line tank, but it wasn't quite a light tank either.
05:05.13AngrybirdsIt's advantage was that it was fast enough to perform flanking attacks, and sturdy enough to act in the line of battle.
05:05.23AngrybirdsBut it wasn't great at both.
05:05.50AngrybirdsWhich is why the French then developed the C-40 and brought in the Roreinians to develop the ulysses.
05:13.28AdmiralPandaMost likely the Australians will have developed their own dedicated light tank, and outsourced for a line tank
05:19.33AngrybirdsThat makes sense. Once the C-40 goes on the market, we'll be competing. :P
05:20.03AngrybirdsI'm debating whether or not I should have France's reservist infantry ride around in VAB armored transports or VLRA trucks.
05:23.46AdmiralPandaI'm not sure the Aussies would sell their scout tank, I think they'd want to keep it a trade secret
05:25.33AdmiralPandaalso, I've decided that being able to drive across the bottom of the ocean is an intended feature of the F-22 LAV
05:25.43AdmiralPandawithin certain depth ranges of course
05:26.57AngrybirdsAlright.
05:27.38AdmiralPandaPeople guarding sealine - See nothing - Suddenly, AUSTRALIANS
05:28.09AngrybirdsPeople guarding sealine - HAO
05:29.15AdmiralPandaAussies - We in ur base, killin ur doods!
05:29.44AngrybirdsPeople guarding sealine - THEY'RE KILLING US! THEY CAME FROM BEHI---...
05:44.48dromlexer'ustralia mate.
05:44.58AdmiralPanda'straya
05:46.18WrkBrkJackal'raya
05:47.45AdmiralPandano
05:47.48AdmiralPandait's 'straya
05:48.24dromlexerk
05:51.14dromlexerAdmiral, you been up all the night... merican eh?
05:53.49AdmiralPandaactually I'm Australian and it's mid afternoon ehre
05:53.50AdmiralPandahere*
05:56.19dromlexeraha
05:58.39AdmiralPandahence why I know it's 'straya
05:59.03AdmiralPandawell, there should be a profanity on the end of that, but I'm not a bogan
05:59.16dromlexerheh
05:59.19dromlexerkangroo
05:59.46AdmiralPandawow, much original
05:59.51AdmiralPandaoh god I used a doge meme
05:59.59AdmiralPandashoots himself, then comes back as a white phantom
06:00.01dromlexerdie
06:00.13dromlexeryonkel
06:00.40AdmiralPandawtf is a yonkel?
06:02.27dromlexerSome mocking piece of a phrase.
06:02.48AdmiralPandawhatever it is, it didn't achieve what you wanted it to
06:03.15dromlexerprobably not
06:07.38AngrybirdsThoughts on these regiments? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:France/French_Army#Types_of_Regiments
06:15.39dromlexerWell I have to go now.
06:15.40dromlexerCya
06:31.57SleeperiosAdmiralPanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpK9WAdNMUI&feature=youtube_gdata_player Is that guy an Aussie?
06:32.07SleeperiosHis accent is kinda Aussie-ish
06:33.36AdmiralPandanot really, unless that's a distinct accent only adopted by asians living in Australia
06:33.58AdmiralPandamost asians I know around his age group talk like that or like that just with a deeper voice
06:35.42SleeperiosHm
06:36.20SleeperiosSo Asians in Australia have a distinct accent?
06:47.34AdmiralPandathat's how most asians I know talk, just with varying pitches
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08:52.39AdmiralPandahello
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09:18.54AdmiralPandaHi
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10:31.30AGamingPandaI've seen that pic before
10:34.44Liquid_InkOkay
10:34.48Liquid_InkIsn't he adorable
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11:22.02AGamingPandaugh that game of league was painful but also really fun
11:22.13AGamingPandamy teammates were so bad mannered, a couple of them were just bad
11:22.32AGamingPandaall in all that shouldn't have been fun, but I just went crazy and messed around, so it was ok
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12:04.09WormyHi
12:04.28AGamingPandahi
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12:13.03OluapWorkerhi
12:13.19AGamingPandahiyah monet
12:13.25MonetHi
12:15.30MonetI came up with an interesting idea for an explaination on how governments and coprorations are reacting to terrorism and media piracy respectively.
12:15.50AGamingPandaoh?
12:16.14MonetA teacher got shot at with a spitball, so he punishes the entire class by chaining their left hands to the edge of their desks and having them stay in class through lunch.
12:16.58OluapWorkerPunishing the whole for a single person's actions is dum
12:18.04AGamingPandabut effective, if the whole can act on the one person's decision
12:18.08AGamingPandathe problem with the world is that we don't care
12:18.33AGamingPandain a classroom, the rest of the class is going to find the person who shot the spitball and beat the living crap out of him, so he won't do it again
12:18.53AGamingPandaand nobody else will act up out of fear of the same happening to them
12:18.58AGamingPandain the world, however, that just doesn't happen
12:19.42WormyMy whole class woud get introuble if the purpatrator didn't admit ty did it
12:20.04AGamingPandasame with mine
12:20.27MonetMaybe not the enitre world.
12:21.08MonetBut take Islamic terrorism - i've seen reports that most muslims LOATHE America's treatment over them afer the actions of what, thirty extremists?
12:22.04WormyWell, its the selfish we have to blame.  This bin down the road from me was contantly knocked over by druns r fillked with house wste.  So the council stopped fixing it
12:22.19MonetBut the thing about all this is...its all an overreaction IMO.
12:22.22WormyDrunks and
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12:23.33MonetThe world's "most serious terrist attack", 2000+ people died yess but how did it affect America? One devestated city block and one damaged office.
12:24.20MonetTerrorists 'aint going to be destroying America anytime soon with a strategy like that.
12:24.59WormyI think the community needs to take more action for itself.  Like how in Benefit Street,ntye locals blocked off the road with rubbish the council refused to pick up
12:26.04MonetIn regards to online piracy, it only takes one person to crack a copy and distribute it to somewhere like MegaUpload or ThePirateBay and within two months thousands of people have a pirated copy
12:28.25MonetMost "pirates" are Googlers.
12:28.29WormyI think there was an over-reaction in terms of privacy invasion and fear mongering in regard to terrorism
12:29.42MonetTerrorism - as its name suggests - its purpose is to generate terror. And I don't know about you but all these increased airline restrictions and immigration policies along with the anti-terrorist outcry does hint people are scared.
12:31.06WormyI think the policies of national security in regards to terrorism is so wide it can ge used and abused to frame peope as terrorists
12:31.41WormyOr pass laws nobody would have accepted before...
12:32.12MonetI'd say that lobbyists cause more lasting damage to a country than terrorists, depending on what they're lobbying
12:33.05MonetAnd I suppose Panda's comment that in a class a misbehaving student would have the crap beaten up out of him afterwards still applies for Islamic terrorism.
12:33.36AGamingPandaexcept the rest of Islam isn't really actively shutting down the extremists
12:33.45AGamingPandawhile they may not support it, they haven't really worked against it either
12:36.06MonetALso I'd say the idea of "winning a war against terrorism" is like saying "we shall abolish the concept of rebellion"
12:37.48MonetALso all these reports of car bombs in Iraq - I think its more an attempt for locals to say "go away Americans" than an actual desire to see the USA collapse.
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12:45.05MonetI suppose this is the issue of with most politicians being i ntheir 40s-70s
12:47.08Monet"old ways are best" and all.
12:48.24MonetAs a psychologist, I don't like this.
13:10.02MonetWormy: This looks lik a promising article http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/02/05/everquest-next-landmark-alpha-interview/
13:10.56MonetEverQuest Next's devs have been talking to alpha testers like part of the team and not fans or paying customers
13:11.44Monet"And again, despite the rough shape of Landmark over the weekend, the official forums and Georgeson's Twitter feed have been populated with largely positive and supportive feedback—I even saw a player recommend that the dev team go to bed instead of getting the servers back up."
13:12.54AGamingPandathat seems like negative feedback to me
13:13.03AGamingPanda"go to sleep, we don't want the servers up"
13:13.50MonetI saw it as "go to bed, we can see form your twitter comments you're working hard"
13:14.13Monet"We cansee hwo hard you are working os we don't mind if you al ltake a break"
13:15.11OluapWorkerhttp://www.destructoid.com/arkham-origins-progression-blocking-bugs-won-t-be-fixed-270256.phtml this is a cancer on gaming
13:16.37MonetThe article suggests that EQN's dev teams are keeping alpha players up to date on what's going on in the office.
13:17.44MonetReminds me of the time EvE's servers were temporarily disabled not too long ago - EveE's devs mentioned that the server shutdown was caused by snow getting into the server rooms.
13:18.50MonetThe post was inundated with well-wishes from players in staff clearing out the snow and restarting the servers.
13:20.57MonetCompared to this post Oluap gave - no explaination why WB are putting priority on DLC over fixing the game.
13:21.35MonetSo everyone assumes "WBs want more money"
13:22.42OluapWorkerWhat else can you assume
13:22.46OluapWorkerThey're ignoring game-breaking glitches in favor of developing paid DLC
13:23.25MonetMakes me glad I didn't buy it
13:23.45MonetIt sounds lkie there's been a real performance drop between City and Origins
13:36.15AGamingPandaMonet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Australia-New_Zealand_Republic#History Can you give me an opinion of this?
13:39.46WormyCool
13:40.12WormyLol the black claw is in suggested articles
13:42.01MonetIBest part is probably what happened to Austrailia in the 2010s-2050s
13:42.33MonetA very good example of the populace finally taking power away from the corrupt and selfish party-centric political scheme
13:44.02WormySpeaking of successions. I'm wondering whether to write Scotland successfully splitting from the UK causing a chain of events that splits North and South Britain between the Fjord League and the European Union
13:44.21WormyLater on
13:46.21WormyTest
13:46.48MonetI watched the first episode of the new series of Top Gear
13:48.23MonetThe climax still has me sore in the sides - a police chase against three 80s hot hatchbacks with the police side ringing out lifting electromagnets, toy police cars with dynamite, military power lifters, mine clearance vehicles and a tank.
13:49.52MonetIts like Saints Row 3/4 on television.
13:50.45WormyLl
13:51.09WormyI liked the episode where they drove a train, and it caught fire
13:52.45AGamingPandaI liked the episode where they were driving a car that literally fell apart as they drove it
13:55.05MonetSpriggs: This thing? http://thumbsnap.com/s/Qg97Nrs7.jpg
13:55.42AGamingPandaI can't remember, they were talking about a particular manufacturer with a reputation for making cars like that
13:56.19MonetAll thesevehicles in the police chase were sprayed with police ocloured with the acronym TGPD on the side
13:56.25Monetor in some cases, the crane
13:58.36MonetI get the impression the "XXPD" trope is an American phenomenon
13:59.00MonetOver here the shorthand for the London Metropolitan Police Force is "The Met"
14:00.58AGamingPandawe don't really say anything PD, we just say the police
14:01.03AGamingPandaanyway, I'm off for the night
14:01.09MonetOkay
14:01.34Monethttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Police.car.1.arp.750pix.jpg ywah, looking at British or English police cars, they don't have any real distinguishment.
14:02.13MonetThey might have the logo of the local police department, but the name of the department itself appears ot be kept to a minimum
14:07.55MonetAlso I just found out something else about British and AMerican police cars
14:08.30MonetBritic police vehicles vary widely in company of origin - Volvo, BMW, Volkswagon, Fiat, Ford, etc.
14:08.53MonetIn america, most police vehicles come from largely American companies.
14:11.04MonetI always wondered why Americans treated cars like a BMW as "exotic", especially since there is a BMW factory not too far from where I grew up.
14:14.34MonetMakes me wonder now the sorts of campanies that build buses in america
14:14.56MonetIn SOuth England most buses appear to be the product of Mercedes-Benz
14:31.19Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentbarton  Derbyshire buses
14:33.21WormyProducd by optare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optare_Excel
14:33.58WormyMB engine
14:34.54MonetI suppose Oxfordshire using Mercedes-Benz buses makes sense when there's a BMW factory not too far outside Oxford.
14:35.10MonetIt used to make minis though, until BMW bought them out
14:35.32Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Solar  The engine in this is a product of Scwnia
14:35.52WormyScania
14:42.01Wormytt
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14:45.17TekDroidHello
14:45.32TekDroidField Trip day for me. :D
14:48.49MonetWgere to?
14:51.30MonetWatching Top Gear s21 ep 2
14:51.38MonetJames May is at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan
14:52.07TekDroidWe're preforming at a band festival today.
14:52.27MonetHe claimed it's the size of Reading, from the footage we're seeing it looks lie an international airport.
14:53.38TekDroidInteresting
14:53.38MonetTekDroid: Oh cool!
14:53.45WormyI read that as Tekdroid's field trip to Afganistan
14:53.57TekDroidLol. XD
14:54.09WormyAfghanistan
14:54.57MonetWatching TG is making me thinking of redesigning this http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120327204440/spore/images/e/ee/DraconisFAV-STF01.jpg
14:58.15TekDroidThat's cool. Maybe a bit more... aerodynamic for the redesign? Somethimg just feels a bit off with the rounded body and cornered top.
14:58.52MonetTha we back when I was still getting the hang of vehicle design.
14:59.20MonetDOmestic security using this is possible...if you're in a more remote part of a planet.
14:59.28MonetOtherwise they'd use skycars for patrol
15:00.05TekDroidMakes sense.
15:00.31TekDroidUgh... it used to autospace after autocomplete but now it's not.
15:03.10MonetAlthough a rounded boy for a DI military vehicle.
15:03.32MonetWhen you compare that concept to their starships and tanks, blockiness seems ot be a bit of a thing
15:04.40WormyAHAH, physics has inspired me to make a new superweapon
15:04.51TekDroidOh?
15:04.54WormyI love these moments
15:05.36Wormy<PROTECTED>
15:05.50TekDroidIf we left you alone with physics long enough you'd figure out a way to destroy the entire universe. XD
15:06.14WormyBut it does involve black holes interacting with light
15:06.33WormyAlready have, a false vacuum
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15:06.36JepardiHi
15:06.44WormyHello
15:07.58MonetHere's something interesting. According to that segment with May in Camp Bastion, allies forces went in with stuff like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Saudi_Arabian_Humvee.jpg
15:08.19MonetBut are ocming out after using equipment li this http://www.adsadvance.co.uk/media/images/stories/AMOCCT-2012-074-103.jpg
15:13.12WormyI'm going to be rolling out to great superweapons under the DCP's arsenal during teGigaquadrant conflict
15:13.22WormyTwo
15:14.40WormyThey will fight for the AI's side of the Civilisation and will view it as the best method of snuffing out competitors andestablishing order for their beloved allies
15:15.18WormyThe said weapons are intendd for strikig infrastructure
15:15.57WormyWe may see their use towards the end of the DCP-Vermulan war
15:17.21WormyThe DCP has gone thrugh a period of silence since the annihilation but now they will be buzzing with war after Mass Armegeddon, AtteronDominatus and the Vermulan invasion
15:17.44WormyAfterall, unseen threats are everywhere
15:18.06WormyAnd challenges totheir authrority
15:18.20Wormyauthority
15:18.21MonetI wonder of the likelihood of a DI-DCP war
15:19.49WormyI think the DCP feels more paranoid than ever
15:20.03MonetBoth seek to bring order to the Milky way.
15:20.20MonetBut at the same time, both are eager to snuff out competitors
15:20.29WormyAnd they know they are now in direct competition
15:22.23MonetThis could get unpleasant
15:22.29Monetreally. Unpleasant
15:22.31WormyThe Hyperspace revolution in particular is not favourable for the DCP
15:23.28WormyAye
15:24.00WormyI've always wondered if the DCP would end up at war with the DI
15:24.37WormyThe DCP would probably first try to convince the DI o join the Civilisation
15:24.49WormyAnd AGC
15:25.12MonetI feel scared now.
15:25.46MonetAlthough the DI themselves have been launching improved ships.
15:25.57WormyIf Humanity really sides against the AI Netspace...  ThevDCP may go to war with them too
15:26.18WormyThough I can imagine humans on both sides too
15:27.14WormyThough it would probably not be a war of extermination but assimilation
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15:27.57WormyThe DCP wants to bring back order to the universe in the best way they see fit = their way
15:27.59monet_you said something just as I had a random browser crash
15:28.31monet_These new DI ships - as opposed to ones built over a decade ago - boast equipment derived from Andromedan Grox, aggregate Andromedan, perhaps a bit of Asgard and Borealis Grox technology
15:28.52monet_Like having a neutronium inner hull.
15:29.06WormyI wish I could easily copy and paste posts but I can't, could someone-ele please?
15:29.45WormyJust my three posts before monet rejoined
15:30.17monet_I saw the word "assassination" or "asssimilation" or soemthing...and then I died
15:30.49WormyOh okay
15:31.20WormyThough it would probably we a war of assimilation rather than extermination
15:31.27monet_Ah right
15:32.35monet_Such a war would be devastating for both sides and the surrounding galaxy.
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15:34.26monet_SInce both sides can effectively weaponise hyperspace
15:34.29WormyI had a scary thought myself
15:35.22WormyIf the DCP fights withbthe AI Netspace, they may end up fighting with Civ-Grox and Borg
15:35.51WormyThat could cause confusion in the DCP populace
15:36.14WormyThe Grox and their ways ar the DCP's most hated foe
15:36.48WormyThe DCP's own cultural goals will work against itelf
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15:40.05monet_Why do I picture large swathes of the post-GC gigaquadrant being largely uninhabitable?
15:40.12AngrybirdsOdere.
15:40.42WormyI think great changes to the DCP's image and policy will be changed if it survives this world war
15:40.43AngrybirdsBecause gridfire?
15:40.59WormyMost likely
15:41.25WormyI see great zones f no man's land
15:41.51WormyThe universe is alrewady prety frazled by te annihilation only some years before
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15:42.36dromlexerWhoohoo, morgothbot is here
15:43.52WormyI think post-GC gigaquadrat would be a great opportunity for the Deathmarch
15:43.52WormyHi
15:43.52WormyAnd entirely new powers
15:43.59TekDroidI swear if the Xhodocto don't kill us we will. XD
15:44.12Angrybirds^
15:44.13WormyTo fill thge vacuum
15:46.10TekDroidWe'll need some life-restoring Deus Ex Machina at some point. XD
15:46.30WormyOf course, the role of the Xeran'bha and other secret forces will come into play, when it is too late
15:46.47AngrybirdsjFrance - I'll be okay, doe?
15:47.37WormyNot if they side against the AI Netspace
15:48.42AngrybirdsHm. I don't think it was every fully figured out what side of that war France was on.
15:48.43TekDroidWe're going to need a precursor galactic seeder. XD
15:48.47WormyI enjoyed the prosperity the gigaquadrant was experiencing
15:49.14WormyA shame I enjoy destroyig it more :P
15:49.33TekDroidWe'll be blowing up entire sectors in this war. XD
15:50.06AngrybirdsKatar - fuuuu
15:50.11WormyAny ideas how the Katar Sector will be involved with this?
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15:51.13Tek0516DroidKatar can't really do much.
15:51.35AngrybirdsI'm not sure if there is any way they could get involved. Aside from the Drodo Empire, they'd just be hunkered down and hoping not to be one of the sectors being blown up.
15:51.42WormyMaybe they have their own conflict?
15:51.53Angrybirds*looks at Tek*
15:52.24AngrybirdsI think we've done enough wars in Katar for now. xD
15:53.08Tek0516DroidKatar is stalemated several years behind
15:53.51Tek0516DroidAnd any Katarian conflict ends up getting dragged along after the first half, then skipped past the later sections
15:53.52WormyPerhaps they will be the ones to fill the vacuum
15:54.10Tek0516DroidA power vacuum?
15:55.05WormyYes
15:55.29Tek0516DroidThe tech gap is huge though.
15:55.42Tek0516Droidcues AB's map
15:55.48Tek0516Droid*Angrybirds
15:55.50AngrybirdsAnd size gap, though that would be cool.
15:57.01AngrybirdsI might have exaggerated its smallness on the galactic map, though: http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130112195345/spore/images/e/e8/Katar_Milky_Way.png
15:57.19AngrybirdsThat's about the right size.
15:57.50monet_http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ee/DraconisFAV-STF01.jpg might want to hit refresh
15:58.11Imperios_Purpleconis
15:58.44monet_heheh
16:00.46monet_How's the car?
16:02.28Tek0516Droid~test
16:02.29infobottest is, like, not funny
16:02.38WormyHow have I not heard of this property?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-bit
16:05.47Tek0516Droid~test
16:05.47infobot[test] not funny
16:06.39WormyInfobot sounds more lik the woman she is saying like
16:06.39infobotokay, Wormy
16:06.57WormyInfobot even agrees
16:07.08Tek0516DroidO.o
16:07.23Tek0516Droid~infobot
16:07.23infobotinfobot is, like, an IRC bot written in perl. Sources available on http://infobot.sourceforge.net/
16:07.47Wormysi
16:08.04TekDroidAfk.
16:12.53dromlexerglad to see theres more users of DI
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16:26.37OluapPlayermuh afternoon off
16:28.26Imperios_y u worker
16:35.01Imperios_*no worker
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16:35.03morgothBotPyImperios_ meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/
16:38.20OluapPlayerI said I got the afternoon off hur
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16:38.55The_RandomnessHello everyone
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16:46.54OluapPlayermonet_ Imperios_: can we do TND?
16:47.20Imperios_Not yet, homework
16:47.46monet_If Imperios is free later I'm quite happy to
16:48.05OluapPlayerfuk ur homework
16:48.13dromlexerI got homeworks.
16:48.15dromlexerSo fuck them
16:48.17dromlexereh
16:48.28dromlexerI still want to be a hobo on the space.
16:50.01dromlexerWell. Recently bought two early access games, the first CoH franchise. Downloading the new Steam version.
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16:51.12Tek0516DroidHey
16:51.18The_RandomnessHello
16:52.13dromlexerhey
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17:01.57GhelaeHello.
17:02.12The_RandomnessHello
17:02.45The_RandomnessI'll be back in a bit, time for class
17:04.01Tek0516DroidI'm stuck waiting for the next 3 hours until we perform
17:04.43monet_dromlexer: CoH = City of Heroes?
17:06.33monet_Oh crap wait nvm
17:06.42monet_It's COmpany of Heroes - I had a derp
17:06.59dromlexerDerpzilla
17:07.31monet_Should have known better because City of Heroes is, well...dead
17:08.08dromlexerVery dead.
17:09.05dromlexerNEO Scavenger and Void Destroyer are the Early access games I mentioned eariler.
17:09.26monet_I remember I used to play City of Heroes
17:12.09monet_Wait... Anyone rememebr I linked this the other day? http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/02/05/eve-online-to-celebrate-its-players-through-monument-listing-all-the-games-main-characters/
17:12.33dromlexerYes.
17:12.43dromlexerEve is shithole anyway.
17:12.46monet_""This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014—no exceptions," writes CCP's co-founder Ívar Kristjánsson. "In addition, CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section."
17:13.18monet_I have a playing subscription.
17:13.23monet_paying*
17:13.50dromlexerStar Citizen seems promising, yet similar to EvE in my perspective.
17:14.26TekDroidI've played neither.
17:14.46monet_...my name could be on there...
17:14.57monet_Or at the very least ,my account's name...I hope
17:17.40dromlexerI have only played EvE for like a day. I thought it would be different from it was before. Eh, guess who was wrong?
17:19.39monet_Its a slow game.
17:20.34dromlexerAnd risking a long grind into an pile of ash in no time.
17:21.12dromlexerI have pretty heard alot of shit with massive loads of money involved.
17:22.19dromlexerAnd a friend of mine found a spray.
17:22.21dromlexerhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226615662
17:22.49monet_£111 for a ticket to EvE fanfest...
17:22.59monet_I'd love to go to one sometime
17:23.11dromlexerA ship worth millions in real money?
17:23.18dromlexerpfft.
17:23.35monet_I think you're exaggerating
17:24.02monet_I think a titan - one of the most powerful ships in the game - is worth something like $9000
17:24.30monet_Or...maybe it was worth $3000
17:24.38monet_I forget
17:24.43dromlexerHm.
17:25.31dromlexerAnyway, I heard a ship (Supercarrier) worth of billions in in-game currency were flushed in a toilet in no time.
17:26.20dromlexerMaybe not fast, but long time of grinding in a toliet.
17:26.51monet_I think $1 = ~60,000 ISK
17:26.58monet_60 million, rather
17:28.01monet_Eve's ingame currency - due to the ability to buy a special game time card both ingame and in real life - has intrinsic value
17:28.23dromlexerhttp://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/eve-player-loses-revenant-supercarrier-worth-approx-8k-in-combat/
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17:28.42TechnodroidHeya
17:28.48OluapPlayerlosa
17:28.54monet_Hi
17:29.03Technodroidya dad
17:29.13Technodroidokay, I've got a keyboard working on this thing
17:29.24monet_dromlexer: I think I can explain what happened
17:29.46dromlexerGo ahead. I read that article a while ago.
17:30.12monet_The guy who lost that ship lost an equivilent of $8,000.
17:30.37monet_But that figure only exists because of the exhange rate created by the PLEX system
17:31.27monet_So he lost 280-330 billion ISK, which equates to roughly $8000
17:32.11monet_But he didn't lose any real money himself, unless he was either buying PLEX in stores and selling the card ingame.
17:32.25monet_And he was probably paying for subscription.
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17:32.48monet_Hi
17:32.59dromlexerHm, but it sounds really painful to lose something that you have grinded for long.
17:33.12dromlexerAnd, eh.
17:33.13dromlexerhttp://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/eve-online-battle-costing-300k-330k-in-damages-is-gamings-most-destructive-battle-ever/
17:33.39monet_that's not news to me.
17:34.17monet_Eve is pretty merciless once you actually start going into the multiplayer element
17:34.26Xhoohai
17:34.33XhoHow does a game cost real life money
17:34.37XhoI cannot grasp this concept
17:34.52Technodroidlol
17:35.05OluapPlayerspi
17:36.12Xhoi
17:36.14Technodroidgotta go but guys
17:36.19monet_Xho: [17:28] <monet_> Eve's ingame currency - due to the ability to buy a special game time card both ingame and in real life - has intrinsic value
17:36.26TechnodroidBIG fiction ideas have been had, I'll see you all in an hour
17:36.33XhoRight I see
17:36.37Technodroidneed feedback on previous fictions before I can get mine concrete
17:36.40Technodroidbye!
17:36.44monet_In real life, these time cards are worth about £10.
17:36.51dromlexermonet_: heard of the cally incident?
17:37.02XhoI'd love to see a battle go on between multi-millionaires
17:37.20OluapPlayerThey fight by throwing money at each other
17:37.24monet_dromlexer_: ...not really
17:37.33XhoEveryone wins hur
17:37.53OluapPlayerI get reminded of this picture
17:38.01OluapPlayerIron Man and Batman throwing money at each other
17:38.08OluapPlayerAnd Spiderman was between them taking the money
17:38.48XhoI wonder who's richer
17:38.52XhoBruce Wayne or Tony Stark
17:38.54monet_Embezzlement, fraud, espionage, assassination, piracy, insider trading, you cannot be banned for it in EvE so long as you're not doing it with actual money.
17:39.10dromlexerhttp://www.qj.net/mmorpg/news/biggest-scam-in-eve-online-history.html
17:39.41OluapPlayerXho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRik--cMJY
17:39.46XhoWormy_ monet_ Ghelae: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1901229_661552740558586_1013737885_n.jpg
17:40.17monet_that is an entire picturefull of wrong
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17:41.01XhoOluapWorker: Tau - the Musical
17:41.15Wormy_Ohgodlol
17:41.42OluapPlayerhur
17:41.51OluapPlayerI'm not worker this afternoon
17:42.29monet_I remember one EvE player told me that its a game for over-18s - that is you need to be that old to handle what goes on in that game.
17:42.35Xhoy u not worker
17:42.37OluapPlayerAlso needs Ice Age rp todya hur
17:42.38Xhowat is dis shi
17:42.41OluapPlayertoday even
17:42.54monet_Anyone younger may throw a temper-tantrum when shit like this happens
17:44.12Xhoy u off work
17:44.17OluapPlayercause i could
17:44.21OluapPlayerwe rp nao
17:44.22Xhoy
17:44.33Xhofien
17:44.50OluapPlayerAspirant - we're out of cheese          Santorakh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INKjmujC9dc
17:45.06Xhoolol
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18:04.17dromlexerSeeing Xho's long dictionary. I decided to shorten my page with a tabber.
18:04.18dromlexerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Aemonkian/Aaillikan_Language/Dictionary
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18:06.38monet_Did you ask him?
18:06.58dromlexerAsk for what?
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18:07.04*** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ
18:07.09dromlexerIf you are telling for about the page I linkted.
18:07.11dromlexerIt's mine.
18:07.13CyrannianHello.
18:07.23OluapPlayerthrows Cyrannian against a wall
18:07.27dromlexerXho's is "Kicathan"
18:07.37Cyrannianthrows a wall against OluapPlayer
18:07.44monet_Whoops!
18:07.45OluapPlayernuuuh
18:07.49XhoJesus what
18:07.53Cyranniany u no OluapWorker
18:07.55monet_I derped again, brain's not in properly
18:07.58dromlexer*drops a floor on both Oluapplayer and Cyrannian*
18:08.00OluapPlayercus afternoon out
18:08.01XhoSee I asked the exact same question
18:08.14XhoAnd I still have no explanation
18:08.22Xhoy u no explain u unworking dum
18:08.31dromlexerD for dum
18:08.35monet_He said he has the afternoon off
18:08.39XhoI mean why
18:08.46dromlexermonet_: are you french?
18:08.56OluapPlayerget back to the rp dangit
18:08.58monet_dromlexer: English.
18:09.12dromlexerToo much tea can damage your brain.
18:11.10dromlexerAccording to a Irish-American-French study.
18:11.27XhoTHEIR BRAINS AREN'T DEVELOPED ENOUGH FOR THE GLORY OF TEA
18:11.39XhoSorry Cyrannian
18:12.21CyrannianYou are considered a crazy mo-fo if you don't like tea in Ireland.
18:12.23dromlexerSwedish kings fought in the battlefield, while the English kings stood at the rear line and watched.
18:12.35XhoNever heard of that one before
18:12.42XhoI thought it was not liking alcohol hur
18:12.54CyrannianThat too
18:12.58XhoGeneral British stereotyping there
18:13.15dromlexerCyrannian, probably because they put whiskey instead of tea in their cups.
18:13.15CyrannianMs. Doyle from Father Ted spoofs our love of tea.
18:13.54CyrannianGranted, I don't like tea or alcohol :P
18:14.05XhoNo wonder you're a raptor
18:14.10XhoOr waptor
18:14.12XhoRhatever
18:14.20dromlexerI hate tea, and coffee.
18:14.27dromlexerCoffee tastes like tea.
18:14.33dromlexerAnd that's why I hate it too.
18:14.46XhoI like whisky
18:14.47XhoThere I said it
18:14.53dromlexervodka
18:15.19CyrannianI get headaches if I don't drink coffee so I'm pretty sure I should seek help.
18:15.21dromlexerAbsolut Vodka
18:16.09dromlexerI come from a server in Lithuania.
18:16.12MonetYou're all making me want a cuppa
18:16.18dromlexerAccording to a WHOIS.
18:16.57dromlexerXho and Monet both from a server with the code, DE.
18:17.09MonetThat's Germany I think
18:17.29CyrannianSame here
18:17.31dromlexerEveryone execpt me is signed in via a german server.
18:17.52XhoBecause our IRC server is authorised by DAS KAPITAL
18:18.52Angrybirdstest
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18:22.59CyrannianHi
18:25.24dromlexerWhoohoo. The CoH finished downloading. Let's install Biltzkrieg and Trainer mods.
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18:29.53The_RandomnessHello everyone
18:32.20CyrannianHello!
18:34.42The_RandomnessI'll be back in a bit
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18:36.08WormyHi
18:40.09XhoChickeny chickeny chicken
18:40.14WormyDemon gridfire, sci-gridfire, nicoll-dyson lasers, hyperspace star detonations, altered-constant bubbles, wormhole-black hole brain AI's....  Sporewikiverse is a dangerous place
18:40.40XhoDon't forget Gorf
18:40.50WormyLol
18:41.06WormyGorf and his magic stick
18:41.07dromlexerGorf is happiest Grox ever.
18:41.36XhoGorf isn't a Grox hur
18:43.58dromlexerikr, just joked as he's very similar to the grox in physical appearance
18:44.15XhoAye
18:44.46ImperiosCRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP
18:45.16XhoWHY WHY WHY WHY
18:45.44ImperiosI pointed to the "Purity of the Russian Race" VK group that they spelt "Race" group
18:45.54WormyI still think we shoulr have a North Korean fiction which just mastered the atom bomb, while the rest of humanity chucks around antimatter and hypermatter bombs
18:45.59ImperiosAnd now they seem to be visiting my user page
18:46.03ImperiosIn VK
18:46.22CyrannianWhat's VK?
18:46.30ImperiosRussian Facebook
18:46.58ImperiosCall me paranoid, but that kind of attention I definitely do not want
18:47.10ImperiosThese goddamn Neo-Nazis are dangerous
18:47.28Imperios*that they spelt "Race" wronf
18:47.32WormyWhy talk to them?
18:47.33Imperioswronf
18:47.35Imperioswrong
18:47.54ImperiosWormy: I stumbled at their group and saw that they spelt "race" wrong
18:48.09ImperiosI couldn't stop myself hur
18:49.19WormyLoo
18:49.23WormyLol
18:49.44WormyWell I got into an argument with a load of fox hunters on facebook
18:50.29WormyIt escalated tothe pub being boycotted by animal rights groups
18:50.43WormySince it caused a storm of arguments
18:52.14Wormytest
18:52.56MonetWow
18:53.45WormyMonet  I captured screenshots of the argument, I might upload to show you
18:54.00WormyNot today I'm on my tab
18:54.52ImperiosHm come to think about it
18:55.45ImperiosThe guys I met seem to make fun of Neo-Nazis actually so MAYBE it is not that bad
18:55.48ImperiosJust
18:55.53GhelHello.
18:56.06ImperiosForget that I ever said a thing about that incident
18:56.20WormyHi
18:56.33MonetMost of the internet arguments I get into are against fundies, anti-communists or American supremacists.
18:59.24MonetSo in short for some odd reason I keep arguing with "i'm right you're wrong" types
19:00.25OluapPlayerew, arguing on the internet
19:00.27GhelIs that because you're this kind of person? http://xkcd.com/386/
19:01.23MonetMaybe I dunno.
19:01.41MonetOne guy recently was complaining about how universal healthcare isn't the answer.
19:01.46WormyI get into those arguments with creationists
19:01.58OluapPlayerYou're wasting your time
19:02.32OluapPlayerImperios: You done with your homework yet
19:02.42MonetDue to the recent US Affordable Care Act driving doctors to work overseas because as he put it, "performing medical work for free in the US risks you your medical lisence"
19:02.42WormyOf course geology is a gooid line of attack, but also my knowledge of epimestology and falsification
19:03.23GhelGeology is the very reason that young-earth creationism was completely abandoned by the scientific community.
19:03.25WormyThe internet should be a medium of not only creativity but criticism and debate
19:04.06MonetIts kinda surprising how many Americans vocallyprotest against socialist healthcare, yet many americans *don't have* medical insurance.
19:06.21WormyI feel like making arguments with fear mongerers taking advantage of the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster in the US
19:06.37MonetThis guy's logic was -> ACA is socialist medicine -> ACA's clampdown drives out doctors who work for free -> Therefore socialist medicine is bad
19:06.41ImperiosMonet: Racists and homophobes, for me
19:06.56WormyMaking silly claims that Calinfornia's beaches are a radioactive wasteland
19:07.30MonetI remember there was media sensation that radioactive material from Fukoshima had somehow gotten into the Thames.
19:07.37ImperiosEspecially the latter
19:07.51ImperiosSacrebleu
19:08.16WormyAnd laiming they are victims.  I think they should meet real victims of nuclear disasters, like the people of Chernobyl
19:08.18CyrannianI don't see the point in arguing with people over YouTube, it's not like these arguments end with both parties accepting the other's point and moving on.
19:08.35ImperiosI seriously question if the human species deserves the moniker "sapiens"
19:09.14ImperiosHomophobes are especially stupud
19:09.23MonetIf the radiation from Fukoshima cannot get as far as the USA and still be hazardous, how does it affect the Thames in London?
19:09.32WormyOf course we deserve it Imprios, because we have the ability of debate
19:09.44OluapPlayer~kick Imperios
19:09.44infobotACTION kicks Imperios
19:09.45OluapPlayerbah
19:09.50ImperiosOne of them really claimed that all homosexual art the Greeks produced is fake and a product of gay conspiracies
19:10.05Imperios*the Ancient Greeks
19:10.14ImperiosOluapPlayer: Almost
19:11.17WormyI think its a sign the education system needs improving, as well as people's attitudes to it
19:11.26ImperiosDefinitely
19:11.57MonetIt is a bit of a shame that the kind of people who make up stupid stuff like this are more likely to believe mass media sensationalism than other people.
19:11.59ImperiosThough it's the teachers that need to change their educational strategies in my opinion
19:12.54ImperiosBTW I have a question guys
19:12.58WormyWestern society in particular values debate, and so shuld be more prevalent, the internet is a god place for it
19:13.18Wormygood
19:13.41ImperiosWormy: Trust me, the Orthodox civilisation debates just as much
19:13.47ImperiosEurasian
19:13.51Imperios<PROTECTED>
19:14.01WormyGood
19:14.21ImperiosNot sure about East Asia
19:14.29ImperiosLet's ask LawfulInsane
19:14.32WormyThough I think scientific literature and databases should be more accessible
19:15.42WormyA lot on online scientific libraries are either inaccessibe or not very modern or linked well
19:15.49ImperiosSeriously, it's the XXI century and I still see people shouting that we need to burn gays in ovens
19:16.06Jepardihttp://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ultimate_game.png
19:16.38WormyIt seems regressive memes like that are well rooted still
19:16.59dromlexerImperios, get all your vodka and flee to North Korea, IMMEDIATELY.
19:17.29dromlexerbrb playing biltz on coh.
19:18.19MonetI just find it annoying when people somehow unknowingly contradict themselves.
19:18.34MonetOr don't get the full picture
19:19.14ImperiosOr just use some form of doublethink
19:19.39dromlexerOh nice, those background sounds at main menu
19:19.41MonetLike the guy i mentioned above.
19:19.41dromlexerI like them.
19:19.46dromlexerDistant gunshots
19:20.41ImperiosMonet: BTW about that homophobe dude
19:21.09ImperiosWhen he said gays should be burned, I asked him if he would burn Oscar Wilde or Alan Turing too
19:21.14Imperios...He said yes.
19:22.02GhelDo people like him claim to have any kind of logical reasoning behind their hatred, or do they just hold things like "gays should be burned" as basic values?
19:22.27MonetHe was adamant the idea of socialised medicine was a failed concept, and told me there were doctors emigrating from the US to the Third World to practice without "all the red tape" because the US Affordable Care Act was apparently clamping down on doctors who weren't asking for payment when they should have.
19:23.12ImperiosGhel: He called them a "virus" and a "plague". That's it.
19:23.44ImperiosThe more intelligent of their kind have some arguments for their hatred though
19:23.47MonetI don't know how big the margin is but medical bills in the United States are a serious issue, partly because of the premiums and partly because there are millions of US citizens who aren't insured.
19:23.58ImperiosLike
19:24.08Monetno insurance = no cushion from those big medical bills.
19:24.17WormyEasdily refutable though
19:24.50Imperios"Gays have high suicide rates, most of pedophiles are gay, 20% gays have >500 sexual partners" et cetera
19:25.01WormyI find this sort f relevant http://www.edge.org/documents/whatnow/whatnow_deutsch.html
19:26.05GhelMonet: Did that guy have anything to back up his claims about emigrating doctors, even anecdotal? Not that I hold much faith in him admitting he was wrong if you could refute it, but I think that would be the first area to try to tackle.
19:26.57GhelImperios: Seems to me like traditional irrational dehumanisation. Even in the more reasoned cases; so what if they're more likely to kill themselves, for example?
19:27.16MonetGhel: He told me about his sister who fell ill. He told me she could have gotten free treatment from a doctor her family knew had he not emigrated to escape the US medial board.
19:27.47MonetAll because under the ACA, his medical lisence was in danger of being revoked for unpaid practice
19:28.04GhelAh. So it does seem that there are some facts behind that argument.
19:28.32GhelAlthough the emotional component would likely make a detailed, reasoned discussion quite difficult.
19:29.16Monetthing is, the ACA isn't quite universal healthcare
19:29.22ImperiosThen again... my parents too can be racist/homophobic at times
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19:29.37Monetits job is to make health insurance premiums more affordable
19:30.06GhelMore to the point, the relevant issue is whether the specific part of the ACA that is at issue is necessarily tied to the overall aims of the program.
19:30.23GhelGetting people to pay their bills does seem important, though.
19:31.10GhelOf course, in socialist healthcare, there aren't so many bills to pay.
19:31.20MonetHe went on to point out that while he knows the UK has a state-funded healthcare system, statistically he prefers the US system because of statistics
19:32.08WormyThing I'd like to tell him is that if you wantedbetter healthcare atleast here you can choose to go private
19:32.09GhelWhich statistics were these?
19:32.14Imperios<PROTECTED>
19:32.31MonetPrimarily the likelihood of survival under or after clinical care.
19:33.30Wormytest
19:33.37MonetPersonally, I'd rather die after being treated in hispital than live owing the doctors £10000 to save my life.
19:34.33Imperiosજિછોથંફેડેઝંણૉફ્
19:34.35GhelIt still needs to be proved that those statistics are significantly due to British healthcare being socialist, although I understand why one might assume that they are.
19:35.47Imperiosمبكرمينروسمقجﻻوثماخصطبمصحامصمبنسحرمصجؤمصةضحينصمب بحيةثوبحصمسكوبمصجصدلوثتبخ طشجيخصافنصحبةث مسمؤهصمضمنبة صكسميتصةبكرمضكؤمسن
19:35.48MonetBio and I went on to provide hi ma few statistics.
19:35.49WormyThe guy couldn'trealy back up his arguments, instead making vague claims
19:36.04WormyWat u doin Imperios
19:36.23MonetNamely stats on the quality of healthcare in other countries with universal healthcare like Switzerland.
19:36.27ImperiosTrying to see how alphabets look like when written
19:36.40ImperiosI want to design the Radeon script
19:36.59XhoWell
19:37.24Imperiosપૃઢિઝૌમી This alphabet in particular looks pretty
19:37.37ImperiosWell it's an abugida but hey still
19:37.51XhoWell
19:37.56XhoBe nice to Gujarati
19:37.59WormyI watched a doc on Mayan script today, the way it works is awesome
19:38.19MonetDespite the US being quite low on the league tables for developed nations, he was still convinced the US system was more effective. "it's a matter of red tape vs doing what you halft to do to save a persons life" he said
19:38.52WormyThe Mayans ike to surprise, so they used several pictures to represent a spoken word.
19:39.01ImperiosXho: The final version of the Radeon abugida will be similar to Ge'ez
19:39.16ImperiosAka the Ethiopean script
19:39.24ImperiosIt has that "holy" feel to it
19:39.28ImperiosEthiopean
19:39.32Imperios...Rasta Radeons
19:39.52WormyAnd pictures could have several sequences, to be more creative (like a hand with several different finger positions)
19:40.02ImperiosWormy: A bit like a rebus?
19:40.15WormyNever heard of rebus
19:40.37Imperioshttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebus
19:40.51ImperiosThese things are fairly common in Russia
19:41.37MonetThe US is perhaps the last country in the developed world to have for-profit medical care, and yet Americans are still some of the unhealthiest people on such records.
19:41.49WormyThey were thought to be pictograms but they were proven to be more like an alphabet
19:42.05MonetGranted its a combination of healthcare and quiality of life.
19:43.20ImperiosMonet: You know what I hate? Russia adopting private healthcare traditions from the USA
19:43.49WormyIts phonetic, being a loggosyllabc with some syllabograms - I have no ideawhat that means except they weren't mere pictograms
19:43.50ImperiosWhy couldn't we just keep the old Soviet healthcare system and improve it?
19:44.00ImperiosIt was good as it waa
19:44.04WormyA russian guy proved it in fact
19:44.17ImperiosIs gud
19:44.35MonetThe only reason I can find for the Americans not wanting a largely-free healthcare system is because it's socialist, therefore (in the minds of many Americans) evil.
19:45.21MonetThe atrocities commited by Josef Stalin. That's it really
19:45.36GhelThat's probably the reason for a lot of them feeling that way about socialism.
19:45.42ImperiosStalin wasn't a socialist, he was a... Stalinist
19:46.04MonetImperios: A lot of americans think Stalinism, COmmunism and Socialism are the exact same thing.
19:46.10WormyThe jump of simpler language to universality is interesting, though not necessarily invented for that purpose
19:46.30ImperiosOne more thing I hate: the modern Russian population trying to redeem Stalin
19:46.41MonetAnd some think Communism and Facism are exactly the same.
19:46.49ImperiosOr vilifying him to the point of making him worse than Stalin
19:46.55WormyAd that means an alphabet which contains the set of all possible words
19:47.01Imperios*that Hitler
19:47.18ImperiosWormy: Come to think about it
19:47.25Wormywithout needfing to invent new rules
19:47.47ImperiosNon-hieroglyphic alphabets probably evolved when many different languages contacted
19:47.50MonetAmericans became so bloody paranoid of the USSR that they consider *everything remotely connected to it* as bad.
19:48.21WormyPerhaps
19:48.28MonetSo now I get this image that the UFP is actually an impossible concept for America to achieve.
19:48.45ImperiosLike, the Phoenicians were traders and they were surrounded by different languages both Afrasian, Indoeuropean, and other
19:48.50WormyI'm out of my depth
19:49.18ImperiosEver wondered why the Jews and the Arabs don't have independent words for vowels?
19:49.35ImperiosIt's because different vowels work as suffixes in their languages
19:49.36WormyIt might hav been that language which began the root to universality, can't remember now though
19:49.47Wormyroad
19:49.48ImperiosLike
19:49.56ImperiosSaLaM is "peace"
19:50.04CyrannianI'm sure it's only a small portion of the population. From my own experience, the American students in my class at uni are highly intelligent, polite and very well versed in different political ideologies.
19:50.15ImperiosiSLaM is "surrendering to peace"
19:50.36ImperiosmuSLiM is "one who is at peace" etx
19:50.53MonetCyrannian: I'm conflicted, i've been told by other Americans its a widespread opinion.
19:51.21ImperiosCyrannian: These guys are the elite, so to speaj
19:51.25MonetHaving kids reciting the pledge of alliegence every morning probably doesn't help.
19:51.39ImperiosThe more educated portion of America's population
19:51.42CyrannianI always pictured those types of opinions to be more prevalent in the "bible belt"
19:52.04XhoGood ol' size 58 bible belt
19:52.06ImperiosTrue, the USA are large
19:52.14WormyWe can expect variations of opinion between nations.  What matters s that society remains open to other cultures, tolerant, maintains self-criticism and debate
19:52.43GhelHow widespread people perceive it to be will be based on their location in the country (some places are more conservative or liberal than others), their age (older generations are often more conservative or reactionary, for example; younger people are more likely to be pro-socialist), and their own personal biases.
19:53.03ImperiosI myself am a socialidt
19:53.07ImperiosSwedish-model
19:53.45GhelMy economic ideology is post-scarcity. Anything else is an unfortunate temporary measure. :P
19:54.16WormySo is mine ol
19:54.33ImperiosSo, communist hur
19:55.00ImperiosCyrannian: Any Russian students in your uni?
19:55.27CyrannianThere are none in my classes, but I'm not sure about the rest of the uni.
19:55.38GhelCommunism and post-scarcity only really resemble each other in the sense that they aren't supposed to require money.
19:55.50WormyThere's loads of Japanese students at Leicester
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19:56.34DrodoEmpireHey, everyone
19:56.37GhelHello.
19:56.51ImperiosWhen I recieve some basic higher education at home, I'll probably study off country
19:56.52WormyHi
19:56.54ImperiosMaybe in the UK
19:57.05Imperios<PROTECTED>
19:57.14WormyMeh
19:57.28MonetCyrannian: This opinion on communism is widespread enough in the US that its almost impossible to run for government *and* be a proud socialist or communist.
19:57.43ImperiosWho knows, I could meet a girlfriend there too hur
19:57.49WormyYou and a scottish student shpuld have a whiskey vs vodka battle
19:57.58ImperiosHur
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19:58.32ImperiosWormy: BRW
19:58.34ImperiosBTE
19:58.50CyrannianThat's certainly true. Though I'd say that is mostly due to the very powerful lobbies of powerful individuals and groups.
19:58.52ImperiosYou know what is Russian for "water"?
19:59.02Imperiosvoda
19:59.02WormyMy uncle workd with a scottish teacher in Russia who was actually sacvked for being too drunk
19:59.37Wormytest
19:59.41ImperiosYes, our words for "vodka" and "water" are ALMOST IDENTICAL.
19:59.57GhelDoesn't "vodka" come from "voda"?
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20:02.56MonetIt feels ironic now: America is deeply in love with Star Trek (one town in Iowa avertises itself as the future birthplace of James T. Kirk), yet the way the people in power think the United Federation of Planets feels like something they might never end up creating.
20:03.30MonetFree healthcare, no capital, state-supported science committess, alien presidents.
20:04.08WormyIs there a technical name in genetics for someone several generations down thge line to look like an ancestor?
20:04.10MonetAnd I feel almos certain the UFP has several atheist presidents.
20:04.46GhelMonet: It's only been a couple of decades since the end of the Cold War. And Americans are humans, after all. Give it a few decades more and things might start to change.
20:04.57GhelWormy: I think it's called "coincidence". :P
20:05.20WormyIt seems my appearence existed....  Before.
20:05.23GhelOr "family resemblance". It depends on how many generations we're talking about.
20:05.31MonetThe rest of the world is probably thinking "give it a rest already"
20:05.48WormyI'm a spitting image of my Great Great Grandfather
20:06.04WormyThough I lack a top hat
20:06.13ImperiosMy Great Grandfather had blue eyes
20:06.17ImperiosThat is weird
20:07.01WormyMy beard mst be approaching turn of the 20th century levels too
20:07.21GhelBear in mind that 19th-century photos of Keenu Reaves and Nicolas Cage lookalikes have been discovered; I don't think it's too implausible that someone a century or so ago had your appearance too.
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20:07.56TekDroidHey
20:08.03GhelHello.
20:08.13TekDroidOr... gtg
20:08.24GhelWormy: Even if you do only have 6.25% of his DNA.
20:09.40WormyI heard genes can manifest like that however, and cause strog traits later on
20:09.46MonetGhelae: Its just...its been almost 250 years since the end of the Revolutionary War and there are still several places that paint the British like they were the only ones at fault.
20:10.36ImperiosEvil Brit accent
20:11.10MonetDespite the fact America never declared itself a proper country until after the Siege of Boston and the only "true" Americans only came of age 16 years after the former.
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20:12.25GhelSounds like nationalist historical revisionism/denialism to me. If they're not claiming that drinking tea is tantamount to colonialist oppression, it's not quites bad.
20:12.33Ghelquite as bad*
20:12.37WormyIt's often blamed on the British taxes, but that is untrue, America was one of our least taxed colonies.  I think the revolutionaries thought they could increase their own.  Might be wrong
20:12.57WormyIf they split
20:13.09MonetIt was either British Taxation or not getting a rep in parliamant
20:13.54Ghel"No taxation without representation" is a famous motto. It might not have been that the taxes were intrinsically unfair, just that they were unfair without the colonists being represented in parliament as well.
20:14.26WormyBritain didn,t care enough tbh, the only imports they were getting was fish, while other colonies supplied tea, sugar and spices
20:14.59MonetWormy: You forget the cotton and sugar being frown i nthe southern states
20:15.05Monetgrown*
20:15.20WormyYeah, but it was't producing much
20:15.36MonetAnd the northern states...well what were they providing?
20:15.37WormyNot like the other colonies
20:15.46WormyFish
20:17.27MonetEven more recently the pledge of aliegence line "one nation under God", that was Cold War paranoia that continues ot this day.
20:18.03CyrannianI think the pledge of allegiance is particularly stupid.
20:18.40CyrannianIs it still compulsory in schools?
20:18.50MonetMost schools yeah
20:21.31ImperiosBlarg
20:21.44ImperiosAnd people say we're authoritariam
20:21.46Imperiosauthoritarian
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20:22.17ImperiosAeo could say that we're undemocratic and all, but it's not the key problem; corruption is
20:22.45ImperiosOur government is EXTREMELY corrupt, as is our bureaucracy
20:22.53ImperiosAnd our police, et cetera
20:23.08ImperiosIs giving bribes to policemen a widespread practice in the UK?
20:23.20WormyHush Imperiois, you might be being watched
20:23.22ImperiosIn Russia, it's almost universal
20:23.42ImperiosSo be it, I have rights
20:23.44WormyI guess it does happen but it ould be rarer
20:23.56GhelIt's certainly known to happen in the UK; I don't know about it being widespread, though.
20:25.14Monethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT9IYEmUXbs I found this on the subject matter of the pledge
20:25.37MonetI'd say that modern antions are at a stage where the state should seriously start reflecting the population.
20:25.45Monetnations*
20:26.32MonetRather than this dividing line between the ideas of the peopel in power and the ideas of the general populace.
20:31.43MonetIt makes me unsettled this girl in the video could be harassed and bullied because of what she is standing for.
20:34.58WormyI do nthink the youth in the UK have lost respect for eldersb and police, we could learn a ting or two from America there
20:35.53WormyLike the kid caught by a cop in the US whocried when the policeman threatened to call his mom and juvinelle all
20:35.56WormyHall
20:36.10MonetOne thing i've been suggesting to others elsewhere, in the developed world we could be reaching a stage where national boraders mean nothing.
20:36.25WormyIf it was somechav in the UK, e woud have been rude or aggressive
20:36.52WormyOr would see a prisn sentence as a medal
20:37.37GhelAre you sure there aren't plenty in America who would feel the same way?
20:40.32WormyMaybe in some parts
20:43.47WormyI mentioned it to a coupe of Americans on the internet ad they agreed
20:44.58WormyNo I can't critisise any society without being critical of my own
20:45.30PabloDePabloI read some stuff about the pledge of allegiance being creepy, actually
20:45.50PabloDePabloI'm homeschooled so I haven't had to say it for a long while but it actually is kind of creepy when you think about it
20:46.11MonetI only know one line of it
20:46.23PabloDePabloIt's something kids just sort of learn and they're too young to piece together what it is
20:46.42MonetI know you are taught to recite it from elementary school onwards
20:47.47PabloDePabloTo boil it down- "America is great and I am loyal to it and it alone"
20:48.31MonetIn other words you are spoonfed nationalism?
20:48.37MonetOkay I see a problem here
20:48.39PabloDePabloPretty much.
20:49.06MonetNationalism was a key contributor to WWI
20:49.17PabloDePablo"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
20:49.22PabloDePabloHere is the full thing.
20:49.41WormyRepublic f Texas?
20:49.43Wormyjk
20:49.49DrodoEmpireI might as well put in my two cents; The pledge of alligence is a little weird (and also has a generous amount of religious bullcrap), but I see no problem with patriotism or being loyal to your country. :P
20:50.10PabloDePabloIt's less the patriotism and loyalty
20:50.11PabloDePabloMore like
20:50.30Wormyindivisible probably means it not hur
20:50.30PabloDePabloIt's taught to really young kids and they don't really understand what it means at that age
20:50.41DrodoEmpireWorshipping your country? Yes, that's bad. So is being outright fanatical
20:50.49CyrannianThere are several different types of nationalism and not all are unhealthy.
20:50.54DrodoEmpire^7
20:50.58DrodoEmpire*^
20:51.06PabloDePabloYeah
20:51.23WormyThere is nothing wrong with a bit of pride.  Knowing your history s precious
20:51.56MonetI do wonder if this promotes the idea that America is *the* greatest nation on Earth.
20:52.01WormyI for example stand for western standards of tolerance, self-criticism etc.
20:52.27WormyI also feel very proud of my home county
20:52.44WormySo there
20:53.13WormyThat is county btw, the county of Derbyshire
20:54.13WormyTest
20:55.37OluapPlayerGah where's Panda when you need him
20:55.43OluapPlayerI wanna brag about stuff hur
20:56.23WormyAnd yes, I feel a cringe for saying that, dunno why.  A meme that respecting history is a taboo perhaps?
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20:57.02CyrannianI certainly wouldn't be the type to claim that I'd die for my country (because ew) but I'm technically an Irish nationalist (there's a difference between Irish republicanism and Irish nationalism)
20:57.05Liquid_InkHello!
20:58.17GhelHello.
20:58.18CyrannianFor example, I'm happy with Northern Ireland being apart of the UK but I get irked when people think I'm British. :P
20:59.08DrodoEmpireCyrannian: I think I said this before, but I like to differentiate between "country" and "government"; I'd die for Canada (the country; a concept), but certainly not for the current government (consevatives and fuhrer Harper)
20:59.40WormyI'd probably die to protect the people of my country, yes
20:59.59WormyBut only if it was invaded
21:00.20Liquid_InkI'd probably die to help overthrow my country
21:00.26DrodoEmpirehur
21:00.27MonetYeah. Whe nwe say "I'd die for my country" so we mean we'll die for where we life, the community we grew up it, the concept of the nation, or the government as a representation of the people?
21:00.53ImperiosI love the country, but hate the state
21:01.40MonetI'd like to move to New Zealand one day.
21:01.55WormyYeah, I love te countryside, culture, folkore and history of Britain, can't say I like the government parties at all
21:01.55MonetBecause I despise Britain's current Conservative government
21:01.56Liquid_Inkunfriends Monet.
21:01.56GhelOr what about the dying for the values that the nation ideally represents? Typically things like liberty, democracy, etc.
21:02.02ImperiosThen again my blood is that of an immigrant
21:02.19Ghelabout dying for*
21:02.21ImperiosMy ancestors fled their country when it was invaded
21:02.27MonetLiquid_Ink: I'd consider Australia but I don't know if I'm brave enough.
21:02.28ImperiosNot sure if I am that patriotic
21:02.45Liquid_InkOh if you went to AUstralia that I'd euthanise you.
21:02.47WormyPerhaps, so the open-ended progress of knowledge can continue
21:02.48MonetSo many things that would want to kill me.
21:03.36WormyIs it abut blooid or a nature to protect the innocent?
21:03.38MonetIn regards to what i'd die for, I'd say I'm a European national first and a brit second.
21:03.51Cyrannian^
21:04.01XhoGah music theory
21:04.26MonetI'd be perfectly fien with Europe becoming one aggragate state
21:04.29Imperios...Do I count as European? I'd like to join in
21:04.47Liquid_InkYes you do.
21:05.16WormyI'm not afraid to say I'm English first and British second, not because I'm a supremacist, but English culture is distinct and itself varied
21:05.24CyrannianI like being European.
21:05.26WormyAnd I grew up in it
21:05.39XhoI'd much rather be European rather than anything else really
21:05.57XhoOn the risk of sounding racist
21:05.59ImperiosMy ethnic identity is SKEEEWED
21:06.00Liquid_InkI'd be specifically Swdish.
21:06.11WormyI'm not sure if I like all the EU's policies, though I wouldn't say I'm against it
21:06.12OluapPlayeru racist little shit
21:06.15OluapPlayerGo plan fiction
21:06.21Xhonoh music theory
21:06.39XhoImperios: You want another language, check out music theory hur
21:06.44ImperiosI consider myself Russian, Petersburgian, Korean, European, Eurasian, and East Asian
21:07.35WormyLike the stupid rule that banned feeding human foodwaste to pigs, an EU rule which is now leading to more wate being dumped.
21:08.05ImperiosXho: Ditto
21:08.09ImperiosEurope is awesome
21:08.09MonetWormy: Not neccesserily.
21:08.16CyrannianI consider myself Irish and European. I think a more closely integrated Europe is a very positive thing given our... history.
21:08.21WormyIt destroed loads of jobs which involved taking thefood waste from factories and deliverting them to farms
21:08.22MonetWhat about composting?
21:08.39OluapPlayerSilly people obsessed with nationalities
21:08.53WormyThey won't be turned to compost, they are being sent to the waste-tip
21:09.01ImperiosNot sure what of the national identities I mentioned is primary to me
21:09.17ImperiosRussian is probably my chief identity, followed closely by Korean
21:09.40ImperiosEuropean is the third most important national identity of mine
21:09.46ImperiosEast Asian is the fourth
21:10.09WormyOn the other hand the EU's grant awards given to farmers who can prove they are promoting biodiversity in farmland is brilliant
21:10.51ImperiosI'm actually known for being obsessed with European values
21:11.08Liquid_InkI consider myslef Scottish and Old Prussian
21:11.16ImperiosOne of my friends one characterised me as "Asian on the outside, European on the inside"
21:11.54ImperiosI am also a teeny tiny bit Ainu
21:11.57ImperiosAnd Chinese
21:12.28OluapPlayerhttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/world/middleeast/suicide-bomb-instructor-accidentally-kills-iraqi-pupils.html?smid=re-share "Now watch, I'm only going to do this once."
21:12.33XhoYou're half-asian deel wit it
21:12.39ImperiosXho: Nu
21:12.45CyrannianWhat is the one thing you don't like about your country?
21:12.47XhoNu is a Kicath deel wit it
21:12.54GhelI count myself as a sapient being first, human a grudging second, and European/British on an as-needed basis. Nations are temporary; races are nothing more than nucleotide sequences. Personhood and the rights that go with it are not.
21:12.57OluapPlayereverything
21:12.58XhoCyrannian: People
21:13.11ImperiosGenetically I am ~100% East Asian
21:13.24XhoYou're Asian then
21:13.25Xhodeel wit it
21:13.26ImperiosCyrannian: Corruption and lack of culture
21:13.47MonetCyrannian: I feel like I have no say in my local government.
21:14.13Imperios"Asian" is actually a rarely used word in Russian
21:14.27ImperiosBecause Russian Asians are really different from each other
21:14.28WormyI have Russian, Irish and Polish couple of generations back
21:14.38ImperiosSo are Caucasoid Russians
21:14.57ImperiosAnd African Russians... well
21:15.03MonetDavid Cameron was MP for South Oxfordshire, so in a sense he was my local Conservative rep. And as far as I know he's never done anything local - no visits, no gatherings, he's been quite distanced from his former constituents.
21:15.51XhoPolitics in a nutshell
21:16.03WormyBut also Anglo-Saxon, Nordic and perhaps some Asian (round near Middle East or Arab world) further back
21:16.24ImperiosThere was that black guy who sold stuff on the streets, and that half-black guy my dad knows - I kinda admire him, he's highly intelligent and well-versed in languages - and there was that noble guy who served Peter the Firstmmm
21:16.34ImperiosWormy: One of uuuuus
21:16.44WormyAnd a teeny bit Neanderthal
21:16.52ImperiosAnyway, the point I am trying to make
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21:17.12CyrannianMy uncle is a local county councilor and people seem to think that he is there to solve all their little problems
21:17.19ImperiosIs that in Russia people don't divide themselves into white, black and Asian, but instead into ethnic group
21:17.23Imperioss
21:17.24XhoUncle Waptor
21:17.39CyrannianSo much so that my mum thinks they take advantage of his kind nature.
21:18.01ImperiosSo "you're Asian, deal with it" is not exactly a valid statement when referring to a Russian, Xho
21:18.09GhelWormy: I wouldn't be surprised if everyone here has some Neanderthal in them.
21:18.11XhoYOU SAID YOU WERE 100% EAST ASIAN
21:18.14XhoYOU'RE FUCKING ASIAN
21:18.16MonetImperios: I heard somewhere that there is no (or next-to-no) black prejudice in Japan.
21:18.17XhoFUCKING DEAL WITH IT
21:18.17XhoFUCK
21:18.41ImperiosMonet: No black people, no prejudice hur
21:18.53ImperiosWell actually I doubt that
21:18.56XhoI didn't actually see many tourists in Japan
21:19.07XhoMost of the tourists were Japanese
21:19.15ImperiosJapan is among the most prejudiced people in the world hur
21:19.20Xhowat u on about
21:19.27XhoEveryone I met in Japan was nice
21:19.32MonetXho: Lesson one of visiting a foreign country: Avoid looking lik a tourist.
21:19.50WormyGhel  Being British we probably have some Roman and Celtic genes too
21:19.53XhoMonet: I've been to New York enough times to blend in now hur
21:20.00XhoI can't do that anywhere else I have been
21:20.04ImperiosThey are somewhat xenophobic
21:20.13XhoMainly because the ethnicities are too far out for someone of my appearance
21:20.21WormyAlso, wasn't Denisovan genes detected, or genes from an unknown humanoid
21:20.38GhelGreat Britain is, genetically and linguistically, just half of Europe shoved into one island.
21:20.43WormyHominid lol
21:20.48MonetThe Americans i've met on the street in New York seemed quite ecstatic when I said I was from England
21:20.55GhelDenisovan genes were detected in... Micronesians, I think.
21:21.05WormyYep, thats why I think nationalists are silly
21:21.12CyrannianThat somehow reminds me of a line from Little Britain USA: "Americans tend to stay in their own country when they go on holidays, which suits the rest of the world just fine."
21:21.13XhoI never really spoke to anyone there which is why I fit in I think
21:21.19MonetOne guy put on a cockney accent for me
21:21.32WormyThe flow of migration made Britain
21:21.40GhelAnd genes from some unknown hominid was discovered in some old fossils; I can't remember any more than that, though.
21:22.02XhoJapan however
21:22.12XhoIf you're taller than 5'7" you will stick out in a crowd
21:22.26MonetCrap
21:22.33MonetI'm 6ft 2
21:22.42XhoYou'd stick out in a British crowd hur
21:22.43WormyI would talk to them in an East Midland dialect if they did that to me lol
21:22.44Liquid_InkIf you're 5'7" you'll stick out in North Korea.
21:22.51ImperiosXho: http://lurkmore.so/images/9/93/Severniy-chelovek.jpg
21:22.54Imperioshttp://lurkmore.so/images/e/ed/Churqueportrait.jpg
21:22.59Imperiosand me
21:23.06ImperiosDo you think we form a single group
21:23.22XhoImperios: To us narrow minded white men you're Asian hur
21:23.36ImperiosYou too are Asian hur
21:23.49XhoWell not entirely Half Asian
21:23.50Liquid_InkImperios: I love you and accept your specificness
21:23.54XhoHalf-Anglo Indian
21:24.01XhoSo I get the skin colour but not much else
21:24.09Liquid_InkWhat's the other half?
21:24.12XhoBritish
21:24.12MonetWormy: I understand that there are a number of Americans only know two accents of English. So I just smiled really.
21:24.15ImperiosI get the... hm...
21:24.20ImperiosActually it's weird
21:24.23WormyGhelae  Did I show yoy tyhe article claiming pig genes were found in human DNA?  Seuggesting pigs hybridised with apes.  It was an honest study
21:24.27ImperiosWhy do people call us yellow?
21:24.34XhoHell I dunno
21:24.38XhoI ask myself the same question
21:24.40GhelI think I've heard about it. I'm sure it was discredited, though.
21:24.41Xho"Why am I yellow?"
21:24.52ImperiosI'm like... light olive
21:24.53Liquid_InkEast Asian skin is vaguely yellow
21:24.58XhoI mean my mother is ethnically brown and my father is white
21:24.59MonetI think the term "yellow" is mostly exaggerated
21:25.02Liquid_InkSo racist cartooons depicted you as yellow
21:25.03XhoSo I guess I make it halfway
21:25.09ImperiosB-b-but
21:25.17ImperiosGreeks have skin colour like that
21:25.21GhelI'm guessing they ran out of realistic colours after white, black and brown.
21:25.24ImperiosNobody calls them yellow
21:25.35XhoFunny about Japan though, hovering around a height of 6'
21:25.35CyrannianEven people calling themselves "white" and "black" doesn't make any sense when you think about it.
21:25.41MonetSame reason Indians don't get African-American prejudice probably.
21:25.45GhelAnd Greeks built big monuments and lived in Europe, so other Europeans claimed them as white.
21:25.51XhoAverage Japanese man being like 5'7" and women being around 5'3"
21:25.54ImperiosCyrannian: It does, at times
21:25.59XhoTwas a strange experience
21:26.05ImperiosSOME Africans are really *black*
21:26.33XhoAlthough some Japanese people were like 6'5" and I was like 'WHAT'
21:26.42MonetI think a lot of modern blacks being more brown is a mix of interbreeding and adaptation.
21:26.44Liquid_InkThere's a Greek in my class who identifies as "white" who has darker skin than an Indian who identifies as "black"
21:27.09Imperios^ pretty funny
21:27.10XhoThere's a lot of skin colourations in Indians
21:27.20XhoYou have light brown which is practically further north
21:27.27XhoAnd darker skins verging on black which is further south
21:27.30ImperiosWhy don't we just identify each other by our region of origin?
21:27.39XhoFine
21:27.41XhoHampshire
21:27.44XhoDoesn't really work
21:27.50ImperiosSaint-Petersburg
21:28.01XhoThat and my mother's side of the family has a few different origins
21:28.03ImperiosIt is considered to be the poshest city in Russia
21:28.18ImperiosMy mom is from Chelyabinsk
21:28.37XhoMy grandfather was from somewhere in India (possibly Delhi) and my grandmother was from Karachi in Pakistan
21:28.38MonetThese days "white" and "black" are mre like "beige" and "brown"
21:28.39Imperios...you know, remember the meteorite? My mom was born there
21:28.51WormyNo
21:28.59GhelI think the problem with identifying each other by region of origin is that you can mention the region and other people will think "where's that?"
21:29.04Wormy:>
21:29.14XhoConsidering my grandfather was born in 1907 and my grandmother was born in 1915 this was loooooooooooooong before everything went berserk
21:29.24ImperiosMonet: My 4 years old sister refers to her own skin colour as "cream"
21:29.25MonetAlso never be on the recieving end of mistaking someone's region of origin
21:29.37ImperiosYep
21:29.42ImperiosDON'T CALL ME CHINESE
21:29.46ImperiosDON'T
21:29.58WormyThats like when my Great Great Grandather probablky existed
21:30.05MonetDon't assume all scousers are from Yorkshire.
21:30.07WormyDat old
21:30.08XhoMy family is so old they were part of the British Empire overseas territories
21:30.14GhelWormy: Or in other words, when you wore a top hat.
21:30.20WormyYes
21:30.24XhoI forget how far back our family has been traced
21:30.24ImperiosI remember a group of Jehova's Witnesses mistaking me for Chinese
21:30.33WormyI am him reborn
21:30.46XhoI think the furthest back it has been traced was around 1830
21:31.07XhoAs for my father's side of the family bah it's too big and too British to care
21:31.10ImperiosAnyway, the city my mom was born on has a funny reputation mowadays
21:31.12GhelI'd struggle to trace my family much further back than 1930.
21:31.24XhoAlthough my father was oddly enough born in Germany
21:31.25ImperiosBasically
21:31.35PabloDePabloHey guys, I just wanted to ask if anyone could help me with my stats section when I put my species page up
21:31.37ImperiosBRINGEN SIE MIR FEGELEIN
21:31.45GhelImperios: Does it have a reputation for meteorites crashing into it?
21:31.46XhoWest Germany that is
21:31.49WormyMy family branches are traced back a long way, though my surname's history has detail
21:31.56ImperiosGhel: ...Lemme explain
21:32.15GhelPabloDePablo: We can try to help if you ask anything specific.
21:32.33ImperiosThere's a Russian sitcom's section about her city, and it basically revolves around gay people
21:32.34XhoMan my father was born in Germany at the time the Soviets ruled over the east
21:32.35XhoFuck
21:32.44PabloDePabloI'm just sort of new to the whole thing and I don't want to mess up the stats section so I'm gonna leave it empty for now.
21:32.45MonetI don't know about my fathers' side but going back to around the 1900, my Great great Grandfather and his family moved to the UK from Holland.
21:32.53ImperiosThe unrequited love of a worker for his boss
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21:33.13XhoMonet: I demand you change your username to Van Gogh
21:33.29GhelHello.
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21:33.49GhelHello.
21:33.52WormyFamous people have my surnames hur
21:33.56MonetMaybe I should change my username to Spacer176, which is what I use for a few other sites.
21:33.59XhoThen again on the scheme of things 1960 wasn't that long ago
21:33.59AdmiralPandahello all
21:34.07ImperiosMonet: Heil cannabis
21:34.07Cyrannianbuh-bai
21:34.14MonetNight
21:34.19Xhoadios
21:34.21ImperiosNight
21:34.24WormyBye
21:34.45WormyDon't let bed bugs bite
21:35.01XhoI believe my grandparents left India in 1950 which in retrospect was probably a clever move
21:35.04ImperiosI'd tell you bye in Japanese but I haven't been talking to Alyona recently so I forgot the words hur
21:35.12XhoAlthough I believe they were racially discriminated for a while
21:35.16XhoImperios: Oyasumi nasai
21:35.21ImperiosYa
21:35.45MonetImperios: Saiyonara?
21:35.56XhoThat's 'goodbye'
21:36.02ImperiosXho: My grand-grandparents left Korea because of the Japanese conquering the shit out of their country hur
21:36.05MonetClose enough
21:36.10XhoOyasumi nasai means 'good night'
21:36.23XhoImperios: joponooso
21:36.45Technobliteratorso, I'm trying to take a 1 week break from dota to do shit here
21:36.46ImperiosMy family's history is like a series of "FUK DIS"
21:36.50Technobliteratorbecause I have some HUGE wiki plans atm
21:36.59XhoBecause my grandparents lived under British culture I don't think they would have lived as comfortably in post-British India
21:37.27XhoI mean they rarely spoke any Indian language
21:37.30ImperiosLive in Korea -> Get raped by Japan -> FUK DIS
21:37.56ImperiosLive in Russia -> Get raped by Stalin and sent to Kazakhstan -> FUK DIS
21:38.06XhoAlthough from what I recall, Urdu isn't an Indian language
21:38.08XhoMight be
21:38.15ImperiosIt is
21:38.20AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: One does not simply take a break from MOBAs
21:38.22XhoAh yeah
21:38.24WormySome of my ancestors fled Russia, from the white army I think, but the forest f their surname still exists
21:38.25XhoState of New Delhi
21:38.25ImperiosIt is an Aryan language
21:38.35ImperiosJust with some Arabic influence
21:38.37XhoThey lived in New Delhi up until 1950 so they must have
21:38.38Technobliteratorwell
21:38.43Technobliteratorit's possible when you have other stuff to do
21:38.49ImperiosAnd for some of my relatives
21:39.10GhelSome of my very distant (hundreds of years ago) ancestors lived in the north of England. Probably.
21:39.15ImperiosLive in Kazakhstan -> Get raped by the fall of the USSR and then the natives -> FUK DIS
21:39.28WormyScarily enough,  some of them were told there were too many peope on the ship and ot left onshore.  the ship sank and everyone on it died
21:39.28MonetAll I know about my father's side is that he and his brothers grew up in North Yorkshire.
21:40.20WormyMy very very very distant ancestors on the other side held a position of power in cumbria
21:40.44WormyAnd before that were possibly Viking
21:41.14GhelI think some of my ancestors might have been African. About 30,000 years ago.
21:41.38Xhohur
21:41.53WormyYeah but I know the name of the guy who owned Cumbria
21:42.02MonetI have uncles and aunts in Yorkshire, Daerbyshire, New Zealand and Saudi Arabia I think.
21:42.22Wormy<PROTECTED>
21:43.35GhelIIRC, my great-aunt's family (or some similar relatives) live in Australia.
21:43.57MonetI never really asked about my dad's side and on my mum's side she sees her parents and siblings as jackals but is much nicer about other relatives, like the on in Derby.
21:45.00WormyOn the ther surname, a famous astronaut shares it, probably not related in any genetic way though
21:45.33XhoArmstrong
21:45.55WormyNope
21:46.06WormyBut he did go to the moon
21:46.14XhoBah
21:46.15WormyNot saying who
21:46.38XhoJames Irwin
21:47.09WormyI'm not giving any more hints
21:47.17Xhodam
21:47.37Liquid_InkAldrin
21:47.43WormyBut could be
21:47.54Technobliteratoryo guys
21:47.59Liquid_InkYo.
21:48.01XhoNO
21:48.02Technobliteratorif I make a blog asking you to give me feedback
21:48.05XhoI mean yo
21:48.06Technobliteratorwill you comment
21:48.12XhoOr Jo perhaps
21:48.13Liquid_InkSure
21:48.15XhoI dunno
21:48.15OluapPlayerNo
21:48.20XhoXho
21:48.22Xhoyeh
21:48.40Liquid_InkLook at Kitten first: http://24.media.tumblr.com/7537bf8b3525fb20411843579a68619f/tumblr_n0gwhxgevD1stseppo1_1280.jpg
21:48.43Technobliteratoraren't they pronounced the same in spanish? lol
21:48.53XhoDunno
21:49.06Technobliteratorwell
21:49.08Technobliteratorthe j sound is a y
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21:49.25XhoReally? Never really new that
21:49.33XhoNo Spanish word I know pronounces it like that
21:49.35MonetEither that or J is pronounced as a H
21:49.43OluapPlayerho
21:49.44XhoI'm with Monet on that one
21:49.45OluapPlayeru a ho
21:49.46ImperiosIsn't it h in Spanish?
21:49.59MonetIn Eastern European dialects J is often Y
21:50.02AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: Mebbeh
21:50.04XhoThen again I don't know many words in Spanish that begin with a J
21:50.09Technobliteratorjose
21:50.11Technobliteratorjosefina
21:50.13TekDroidHey
21:50.15XhoTHAT'S A NAME YOU DUM
21:50.18Technobliteratorbut
21:50.20Technobliteratorstill a word :c
21:50.20XhoNAME
21:50.21XhoU
21:50.22XhoDUM
21:50.26Technobliteratorwait
21:50.27Monet"Jormungander" is pronounced "Your-mun-gand-rh"
21:50.32Technobliteratorno i'm blonde as fuck
21:50.38Technobliteratormonet is right it's a h sound not a y
21:51.00MonetIts als owhy the German for "yes" sounds like "yah"
21:51.12AdmiralPandaJAH
21:51.15Liquid_InkDid everyone love my kitten?
21:51.16XhoJustificación is like the only word I know that beings with a J in Spanish
21:51.23OluapPlayer~kick AdmiralPanda
21:51.23infobotACTION kicks AdmiralPanda
21:51.28OluapPlayerKilled 4Kids
21:51.31MonetTapas
21:51.31AdmiralPandagj
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21:51.38XhoMonet: dat not j
21:51.43OluapPlayerI went for a completeyl different strategy
21:51.50OluapPlayerWent full Havel Set on them
21:51.56Ghel"j" is a bit of a pointless letter. Depending on the language, it's either pronounced "h", "y", "zh" or (in English) "dzh". So in the latter two cases, I guess it's good for reducing the number of letters you use in words.
21:52.06AdmiralPandahttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Australia-New_Zealand_Republic#History Angrybirds < now you can shup for a bit, I have made tiny bit of progress in between other stuffs in life
21:52.28XhoGhel: But spelling juice as Dzhuice
21:52.31Xhowat da
21:52.49GhelNo, you'd spell it Dzhoose.
21:52.53Xhoech
21:53.33XhoTechnobliterator: Me opino que necesitas que repases más
21:53.33WormyI spell it has Jew-se
21:53.46XhoWormy: cool it with the anti-semitism hur
21:53.49Technobliteratori think that you need to something more?
21:53.51XhoSemitism even
21:54.04WormyLol
21:54.07AdmiralPandaOluap: Havel's is always fun
21:54.25Liquid_InkWe all love Jews!
21:54.33XhoTechnobliterator: Que yo dijé significa exactamente lo que has demonstrado
21:54.40OluapPlayerI just tanked all of their attacks
21:54.43OluapPlayerCan't stop the rock
21:54.48GhelLiquid_Ink: You mean Dzhews.
21:54.50OluapPlayerAlso I did it with the zwei, with no resin
21:55.04OluapPlayerMainly because I ran out of resin and Gold-head-guy didn't have anymore for sale
21:55.05Technobliteratortoo busy to translate that
21:55.06Technobliterator:c
21:55.08Liquid_InkGhel: WOuldn't that be Dzhooz?
21:55.11Xhou fail
21:55.19GhelNo; that's just silly.
21:55.24Xhodemostrado*
21:55.26XhoBah my spelling
21:55.33AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: You can farm it off mushrooms, anyway gj
21:55.42OluapPlayerLike I'm gonna go all the way there
21:55.42AdmiralPandaI wish you were on Xbox so we could PvP
21:55.47ImperiosLiquid_Ink: Random fact: "Jew" is a highly offensive word in Russian
21:55.48OluapPlayerYou think I got patience hur
21:56.03ImperiosWell, "Zhid" which is its Russian form
21:56.07AdmiralPandaYou don't need patience, you need to GIT GUD SCRUB
21:56.25Liquid_InkI see
21:56.36OluapPlayergtfo faget i bet u use dex weps
21:56.36Xho"You need to level up"
21:56.37Liquid_InkWhat then do you call the Jewish in a non-offensive way?
21:56.39ImperiosYou are supposed to call Jews "Yevrey" instead, "Yevrey" as in "Hebrew"
21:56.46AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: Didn't even level that shit up
21:56.46Liquid_InkI see
21:57.21ImperiosNegro, at the other hand, is not offensive in Russian
21:57.30AdmiralPandaKnight starting class, dex 10 to start XD
21:57.39OluapPlayerknite
21:57.54AdmiralPandasee my greatshield > cry
21:58.15XhoImperios: жид HOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
21:58.17AdmiralPandait's bone wheel all over again
21:58.24OluapPlayerI imagine the random number generator was on my side today cause the Kings nearly didn't use their magic explosions
21:58.31Xhoexplodes
21:58.50OluapPlayerAlso in one of my tries I was like, equipped all of Havel's set, went "let's do this" and jumped down. But I forgot to put the covenant of Artorias up
21:58.54AdmiralPandaRNG is never on my side
21:59.09AdmiralPandabutt demons always stomping
21:59.26WormyBbl half an hour
21:59.32AdmiralPandaanyway now I go
22:00.50GhelI'm going to go now. Bye!
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22:05.50Liquid_InkWho ordered the mass executions?
22:06.16MonetMorpheus probably
22:07.31Liquid_InkThere goes another one!
22:11.39Technobliteratori'm asking for a LOT of you guys
22:11.43Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Technobliterator/Huge_update_and_requesting_feedback
22:11.47Technobliteratorbut plz give feedback
22:13.21OluapPlayernu
22:14.43Liquid_InkI'll give you feedback when I get home from school.
22:14.57Liquid_InkIn the meantime, what do you think of the DCP-Vermulan War?
22:15.40Technobliteratorfrom what I've read, seems interesting
22:16.34DrodoEmpireI'm not much of a fan of character-based fictions, so I don't think I'd have much of anything useful to say, sorry. :L
22:16.59Technobliteratorno, that's viable feedback there
22:17.24Technobliteratorany feedback is viable. of course I've no hope to please every single user but I'd really like this to be good
22:17.27OluapPlayerYou're asking more than one sentence
22:17.31OluapPlayerAre you trying to kill me
22:17.43Technobliterator...maybe...
22:17.44Technobliterator:D
22:17.54MonetShe's asking for proper feedback
22:18.10Monet"is good" only gets peop lso far.
22:18.18Monetpeople*
22:18.41Technobliteratorpretty much
22:18.55OluapPlayerWay to kill the mood
22:18.57OluapPlayerI was joking
22:19.30Technobliteratorwell, in his defence, it's the internet after all
22:19.36MonetYeah but saying "is good" is what you do most of the time...
22:19.56Liquid_InkSo you're asking us to rate the villains in that list by those four categories you mentioned?
22:20.07Technobliterator[22:19] <Monet> Yeah but saying "is good" is what you do most of the time...
22:20.08OluapPlayerI can't say much else than that
22:20.35Technobliteratorno need to have a go at him for it. it's just that he often doesn't have time/doesn't know what to say to elaborate, I think? which is half the reason I gave categories
22:20.40Technobliterator[22:19] <Liquid_Ink> So you're asking us to rate the villains in that list by those four categories you mentioned?
22:20.44Technobliteratorvillains and factions, yeah
22:20.51OluapPlayerdoesn't know what to say to elaborate
22:20.52OluapPlayerThat'd be it
22:21.30OluapPlayerIf I like it, I just say I liked it and why, I don't see why I have to go further
22:22.11OluapPlayerAnyway i'm gonna reply to the blog
22:22.19OluapPlayerJust gimme a moment to think of what to write
22:22.36Technobliteratortake your time, no rush
22:25.13dromlexerEh, at World of Tanks, my highest win ratio is on a tier 1 tank which I only played once.
22:25.15dromlexerlol
22:26.58PabloDePabloWish Admiral was here, I need a biology tip for the Tundrakle page.
22:30.02DrodoEmpireThere, made a minor edit to the Drodo page
22:30.09MonetI'm no goo with ratings so because I have time, I'll post full feedback
22:30.24MonetPabloDePablo: I can help if you like
22:30.48dromlexerAh, nice to see you again Pablo.
22:31.40dromlexerSo. I'm making a dictionary.
22:31.50DrodoEmpireI see.
22:31.57dromlexerI'm open for some suggestions to put in.
22:31.57dromlexerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Aemonkian/Aaillikan_Language/Dictionary
22:32.44DrodoEmpireI added a picture and a quote thing to the Drodo cavalry section :P
22:33.11dromlexerI'm going to cook it up like food at your finest restaurant so I can deliver a fiction like the food there.
22:34.14TechnobliteratorMonet: "Sometimes I wonder if he - at least on occasion - makes up stuff as he goes along. Although I don't have veteran experience of him but he strikes me as a man who plans for every contingency seeing as how he can see every divergent timeline."
22:34.36Technobliteratorin canon he's meant to not be doing so, though if it appears, it's actually because I'm making stuff up as I go along :P
22:34.47Technobliteratorthanks a lot for the feedback! do you have any for the others?
22:34.49MonetThe whole "chronoscopic orb" thing seemed pretty random.
22:34.58MonetWOrking on the others now
22:35.19Monet"UNO refused ot become Vryos so i'll make a big ass energy orb to blow up a galaxy"
22:35.31MonetThen again...this was the first time he was furious visibly
22:35.39Monetand we all do stupid things when we're angry.
22:35.55Technobliteratoryeah, that's pretty much spot on
22:36.13MonetEven gods make errors.
22:36.23MonetThat's what I believe anyway
22:36.43TechnobliteratorI'm starting to think that emotions on a deity makes sense, as it can help their decision making
22:36.56dromlexerWelp, any site than sporewikia and a local newpaper site is getting very slow.
22:37.21MonetEmotion is more than expressing what's on your mind
22:37.22Technobliteratorand well, when there are so many deities in this situation, and they aren't your typical "omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent" like most ideas of God are, it makes a lot of sense for gods to make errors
22:37.55PabloDePabloSorry, I was AFK for a while
22:38.06OluapPlayerI'm nearly done here
22:38.20MonetAmong humans and many animals, emotion is used for such things lik establishing authority, soliciting empathy and notifying of danger
22:38.44Technobliteratorthat's true as well
22:39.03MonetAmong such creatures, the idea of conveying emotion is so natural that when we encounter something that does not display any emotion we are genionely creeped-out by it
22:39.25PabloDePabloI wanted to give the Tundrakle race natural ice crystals on their back- excess water in their body would be frozen through glands in the back and form ice crystals along with shoulder blades.
22:39.41PabloDePabloI'm not sure if it would even work from a biological standpoint, though
22:39.57dromlexerThere's different biochemistries.
22:40.15dromlexerSome allow life under the -0 point Celuis.
22:40.37DrodoEmpireI can't wait for the Gigawar to start so the Drodo can finally do something worthwhile. :3
22:40.37MonetIts not the most efficient way of storing something
22:40.48DrodoEmpireAnd cavalry. Don't forget cavalry.
22:41.05MonetIf anything, ice is a less efficient storage medium than liquid
22:41.21OluapPlayerThere I made a huge-ass list
22:41.22dromlexerPabloDePablo: you might have to look in this.
22:41.23dromlexerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Exobiology
22:41.35dromlexerIt's pretty useful.
22:41.37PabloDePabloIt wouldn't be a storage medium, actually
22:41.42MonetSince ice is one of those few elements that actually DEcreases in density when it solidifies.
22:41.55PabloDePabloIt'd be more of a weird biological function which they use to denote status
22:41.56Monetelements?
22:42.02MonetI mean compounds
22:42.34MonetWhat's the average temperature of their home environment?
22:42.59dromlexerMonet: Do you believe there's energy compunds based on C-type biochemistry?
22:43.34PabloDePabloI haven't pinpoint a solid temperature, but it's generally a tundra- warm enough to have water sources, but generally very cold
22:44.19Monetdromlexer: You mean a way to prevent nitorgen-phosphorosu breakdown?
22:44.46PabloDePabloAntarctica is a good point for temperature, although it would have more solid continents
22:44.54PabloDePabloAcross the planet
22:45.12dromlexerHm. Probably. But I was thinking of energy accumulated when breaking down those compounds by the body.
22:45.25MonetWell since nitrogen is a good oxidiser I imagien such life could evlolve on oxygen-free worlds susing something else as a carrier for respiration.
22:45.34dromlexerMuch complicated to describe.
22:45.55MonetWait...FUCk.
22:46.08MonetGlucose is an oxide compound
22:46.35dromlexerI saw somewhere about Xenon as a rare breathable gas.
22:47.08MonetA breathable gas is one where it accepts hydrogen in a chemical reaction.
22:47.16dromlexerXenon is a noble gas and doesn't hang on with other atoms. Not a good binder.
22:47.51dromlexerhydrongen is O-H?
22:48.07MonetHydrogen is an element.
22:48.17MonetBut its also incredibly reactive
22:48.28dromlexerOh.
22:48.36MonetWhich is why its so good in respiration
22:48.42dromlexerI mistaken it as hydroxide.
22:50.24MonetP-N bonds sound photoreactive
22:50.30dromlexerSo. Ammonia, N-P, Oxygen are good binders with H?
22:51.01MonetNitrogen can bind with anything
22:51.22MonetHydrogen*
22:51.37DrodoEmpireI feel as though I should rewrite the section on the Drodo page on Dragoons; Seeing as I wrote it at a time when I expected it to be the only type of cavalry in the Drodo arsenal; Now I have four or five types. XD
22:51.52dromlexerOur air is made of 78.09 nitrogen.
22:51.54dromlexer%
22:52.12MonetI meant Hydrogen.
22:52.32MonetAlthough Hydrogen almost never occurs naturaly on its own in a terrestrial environment.
22:53.44dromlexerIn Halo, Methane a gas of hydrocarbon, is a breathable gas for those Grunts.
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22:54.29TechnobliteratorMonet: are you still working on your post about the other fictions?
22:54.48WormyHi
22:54.51MonetTechnobliterator: I got sidetracked by this science discussion
22:54.56OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/WebilSe.jpg
22:55.16dromlexerSo I can believe that Hydrogen isn't necessary to be in sugars like glucose. Also available in hydrocarbon-based gases.
22:55.30Technobliteratorfair enough :p
22:55.44MonetThis is true.
22:56.02Monetalthough I can't fully remember what it takes to crack methane apart.
22:56.49dromlexerIt happens that I have chemistry about hydrocarbon-based elements and alcohols.
22:59.19dromlexerAnd yet to crack a methane apart, needs oxygen. In return you get, gaseous water and carbon dioxide. I don't any natural way to crack it up else than heating it up together with oxygen.
22:59.31WormyIf you like science, you are in the right place
22:59.58dromlexerI interest myself more in computer science and biology.
23:00.18dromlexerChemistry is *cough* - bottom on my list.
23:00.58dromlexerSadly, I'm in a course about game development. So no biology.
23:01.20WormyFor me its just about any area, but I guess my specialism is geology/planetary science, followed by theoretical physics and palaeobiology
23:01.21dromlexerEh, I can always share the knowledge and learn about it from you.
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23:02.48WormyI'm quite interested in cosmology, biophysics, computer science and scientific mdelling, as well as thephilisophy of knowledge
23:03.22WormyPerhaps astrobiology and emerging tech too :P
23:03.25dromlexerI remember a planet named "Hoth" from Stargate. It was a ice planet with an atmosphere made up mainly of carbon dioxide. A bacterial(or viral) disease lived in the ice.
23:03.37WormyThatcomesfrom my lve of si-fi
23:04.22dromlexerhttp://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth
23:04.42dromlexerSo the disease was a viral one.
23:06.23dromlexerMan I love Stargate and Star Trek.
23:06.49MonetViruses are parasites.
23:06.55MonetSo bacterial most likely.
23:07.47AdmiralPandaaccording to the wikia page it was viral
23:08.18OluapPlayerpondo
23:08.24OluapPlayerDo I got for Seath next?
23:08.46AdmiralPandawho have you killed so far?
23:08.54OluapPlayerReally Nito and 4Kids
23:09.25AdmiralPandadid you get the paladin set when you killed into?
23:09.27AdmiralPandanito*
23:09.30OluapPlayerYeah
23:09.34OluapPlayerIt's my current armor
23:09.35MonetSo either this was something that was somehow locked in the ide (knowing Stargete science there would have been other bacteria not harmful to humans in this water)...or the scriptwriters dun goofed.
23:10.19AdmiralPandagud, paladin has best curse resistance
23:10.44AdmiralPandaalso, did you by any chance go to touch the fluffy tail?
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23:10.51OluapPlayerYes
23:10.59Wormy_Hi
23:11.00dromlexerMonet: What do you mean?
23:11.08OluapPlayerSpeaking of which I returned to the Painted World today to get all the items I missed
23:11.14OluapPlayerIt was surprisingly easy this time
23:11.22dromlexerHi Wormy_
23:11.39Monetdromlexer: Viruses by their nature require host cells in order to reproduce
23:11.48AdmiralPandaso you have the Xanthous crown?
23:11.52OluapPlayerhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=226720268&tscn=1392067693 btw I found a really good-looking armor combo while going around my items
23:11.54OluapPlayerI don't
23:12.32dromlexerThe picture on them made them look like bacteriophages.
23:12.49Wormy_Ooh are we debating the origin of virae again?
23:13.04OluapPlayerElite Knight helm is best helm
23:13.04MonetWormy_: Not exactly
23:13.04AdmiralPandaOluap: It's mostly just a luxury but it's extra curse resistance
23:13.22OluapPlayerOh so you have a Steam account
23:13.47Wormy_I woud think that there are so much forms f virus they might as well have multiple origins
23:14.05OluapPlayerYou can go around commenting on all the pictures I've taken hur
23:14.15MonetLooking at the information on the Hoth Virus, perhaps it sustained itself by other microbes within the water/ice on Hoth?
23:14.17OluapPlayerAll 69 of them
23:14.39dromlexerSo I guess Hoth was used to be a planet with methane (other hydrocarbon) as a gas. As due to a catastrophe burnt all the gas into carbon dioxide and water. So apparently the dioxide caused a greenhouse effect and froze the whole planet.
23:14.43dromlexerThat's my theory.
23:14.50dromlexerA planet with life.
23:15.06TechnobliteratorAdmiralPanda Wormy_: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Technobliterator/Huge_update_and_requesting_feedback could you spare a minute of your time to help a friend in need?
23:15.13MonetWell, Mars is mostly Carbon DIoxide
23:15.28AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: Only if you praise the sun
23:15.32Monetbut its atmosphere is also very thin
23:15.44OluapPlayerhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=223224478 this is how much I touched the fluffy tail
23:15.45dromlexerSo the virus survived and had a long lifespan and can sleep in torpor when frozen.
23:16.05dromlexerHoth's atomsphere seems to be medium in the picture.
23:16.25dromlexerJudging from the color hue and clouds.
23:16.26Technobliteratorso far I have Oluap's and only one part of Monet's feedback because the science discussion derailed him
23:16.30Technobliterator:c
23:16.43Wormy_We have the loss of it's geomagnetic field to blame or that
23:16.58dromlexerCuz science is superior
23:17.31Monetwell...
23:17.44Monetthere's debate on whether or not viruses themselves actually have a lifespan
23:17.49dromlexerSo Hoth apparently used to have a thick atmosphere of hydrocarbon gas. Look at all that ice.
23:17.51Monetthey're not exactly...alive.
23:18.00DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Drodo_Cavalry - Updated the Cavalry. The Cuirassiers finally have there own section.
23:18.09Wormy_And the energy recieved y that might have been enough to split co2, giving enough heat for the lighter molecules to slwly escape Martian gravity
23:18.14dromlexerViruses' DNA/RNA can decay, right?
23:18.34MonetViruses have RNA strains
23:18.55Monetbut i think viruses themselves are effectively immortal
23:19.09Monetthose protien shells of theirs preserve the DNA
23:19.31dromlexerSo the shells are the actual reason on why viruses can decay?
23:20.13Wormy_I consider them alive, in the sense that they are replicators that actively caue their environment to produce more copies.   They just get another environment of the cell to do it for them
23:20.36dromlexerI'm not a expert in virology but I always thought that viruses could decay.
23:21.39AdmiralPandaMonet: Biologically speaking viruses aren't considered to be alive, but in some circumstances they can decay
23:21.56AdmiralPandait's just because they have no biological processes that they last for ages
23:22.09Wormy_All a cell is, is the extended phenotype programmed by genes to actively replicate them
23:22.12MonetIf these viruses are trapped in ice, they're going to last for a long time
23:22.56DrodoEmpireAny comments/suggestions for my edits or the rest of the page?
23:23.31dromlexerLike why they are storing samples of dangerous viral diseases in canister with liquid nitrogen.
23:25.25AdmiralPandaTechnobliterator: Not much help cus I haven't really interacted with anything properly
23:26.24AdmiralPandadromlexer: storing them in liquid nitrogen stops environmental factors from degrading the virus
23:26.50dromlexerikr
23:27.10AdmiralPandaalso it's safer
23:27.22Technobliteratorwell, any help is appreciated
23:27.27Wormy_Jo  I'll post a comment when I'm back on my PC in a coupe f days
23:27.31Technobliteratorfrom anyperspective
23:27.32Technobliteratoralright
23:27.39dromlexerAnd a more valuable target for bio-terrorism.
23:28.01MonetActually i'm feeling sleepy.
23:28.02Wormy_I can post comments on the tab but I'll end up annoyed
23:28.03AdmiralPandanot really, cus if you bring them out of storage wrong you'll kill them
23:28.13AdmiralPandawell, degrade them to the point of uselessness
23:28.19MonetI've commented on Falrik, I got ambitious with full feedback.
23:29.50Technobliteratorthanks!:)
23:30.18OluapPlayeryou get nothing but my little strings of text
23:30.22OluapPlayerYou should feel blessed
23:33.53OluapPlayerbrb gotta make a phone call
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23:34.16TybusenI bring greetings
23:34.31dromlexerHello
23:34.54TybusenMonet: I left a question on your dA thingymabob
23:35.44MonetI'll work on a response tomorrow hopefully
23:36.02MonetDraconis don't lik being called salamanders though
23:36.11MonetBeing called fat can set some of them off
23:36.31TybusenWhat about the "big" part?
23:36.54MonetTo some that emphasises the "overweight" part
23:37.09MonetDraconis prefer to think of it as muscle.
23:37.49TybusenFor the most part then it looks like Colby's done his job :U
23:38.30dromlexerMonet: I'm going to dare calling them for salamanders.
23:38.39DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Drodo_Empire#Drodo_Cavalry - It'd be great to get some comments on my recent edits, and also the page as a whole.
23:38.52DrodoEmpireQuotes would be great too
23:38.57TybusenI think that confirms it now, "salamander" is the TIAF's derogatory word for a Draconis
23:39.20Monet"newt" is a common insult amongst Draconis
23:39.30MonetLike calling osmeone puny
23:40.30TybusenDrodoEmpire: That cavalry sounds badass, not often that you see the cavalry getting more than a mention in the military section
23:40.44DrodoEmpireThanks. :3
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23:40.55MonetCome to think of it, calling a Draconis a salamander could have a similar effect.
23:42.12TybusenSalamanders do have a mythical association with fire, if any of the Draconis pick up on that they might just turn that insult around
23:42.33dromlexerEh, I can always do an insult in Aaillikan. Something they won't understand until they will realise.
23:43.08MonetTybusen: Its that or this cute thing http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Salamander-olympus.jpg
23:44.07dromlexerI'd say THIS.
23:44.15Wormy_Green Runnerbean would be a good Grimbie insult
23:44.41Wormy_Since ty look like runner beans on legs to me
23:45.05TybusenThe TIAF pejorative for a Grimbie is probably "green cockroach"
23:45.38dromlexerDraconis for "flying reptilian sausages".
23:46.00Tybusenhur
23:46.02AdmiralPandaI don't even know what would be used to insult Fordanta
23:46.06Wormy_I wonder how aliens know of Earth animals and plants so well...
23:46.32dromlexerConspiracy with America's goverment.
23:46.33OluapPlayer"scrub who gotta git gud"
23:46.47Wormy_I know Humanity s widesdpread butstill
23:46.54TybusenWormy_: I always figured that they're using more familiar terms in their own language, and it gets translated to the closest thing when it's presented to us in English
23:47.04Wormy_True
23:47.22Monetdromlexer: Where did sausage come from?
23:47.26AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: Fordanta don't even level dexterity
23:47.33TybusenTIAF is actually saying their equivalent of a salamander, and it gets translated to "salamander" by the translator microbes
23:47.47AdmiralPandanobody's gonna get these jokes
23:48.00dromlexerThe body looks almost like a sausage, prepared in a wrong way.
23:48.16dromlexerToo much meat at mid.
23:48.16MonetWell that's one way of looking at them
23:48.29MonetOh...oh ourch, yeah that's bad
23:48.42TybusenThat was a pretty well-played insult
23:48.45TybusenI applaud you sir
23:49.11dromlexerThanks.
23:49.11Wormy_At least there isn't too much meat in the upper portion hur
23:49.15dromlexer*bows down*
23:49.54dromlexerToo much fat, is inedible sausage.
23:50.36MonetDraconis - Y everyone keep calling us fat?
23:50.57AdmiralPandaFordanta - Cus you not ripped like us.
23:51.12AdmiralPandabut seriously, I don't think a Fordanta's muscle would show that much under their thick scales
23:51.17dromlexer"The reason why they don't have enough of brain fat is because they put all of them in their belly instead."
23:51.58dromlexerWell. I'm just... *shading my head and smiling*
23:52.12dromlexeraaaahg.
23:52.14MonetDraconis - Ur all little shits
23:52.17TybusenAdmiralPanda: TIAF insult for a Fordanta, perhaps: "dull green knifeheads"
23:52.18dromlexerit's shaking*
23:52.28AdmiralPandaFordanta - Bro, we're taller than you
23:52.41AdmiralPandaTybusen: Where does knife head come from?
23:52.50dromlexerIs this?
23:52.51dromlexerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Fordanta
23:53.10TybusenThe TIAF thinks the Fordanta are obssessed with swords, knife is a diminiuitive of sword
23:53.11MonetDraconis - Yeah but 14 meter wingspan
23:53.35Wormy_Grimbies are supposed to be superstrong and tough but they don't look it lol
23:54.03Wormy_Oh well, it sucks to bge anyone who under estmates them, thats all I can say
23:54.17TybusenComing up with insults actually requires a bit of knowledge about the target species
23:54.23dromlexerThe fordanta being without a preview image is quite hard for me to find a fitting insult.
23:54.41Tybusenhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Fordan_Empire There's an image here
23:55.11dromlexerHmmm.
23:55.35AdmiralPandaan old image, they no longer have the second set of arms
23:55.59dromlexerMonet: Can I quote my race's insult on Draconis? Even they don't know each otehr.
23:56.14AdmiralPandaTybusen: That makes sense somewhat, in fact I'd say that'd be more insulting because it's like saying the only thing the Fordanta think about is war, which is a HUGE oversimplification
23:57.01Monetdromlexer: I'm not stopping you. Most people insult their snobiness in quotes tbh
23:58.25OluapPlayerOur fictions insult each other on a daily basis
23:58.36OluapPlayerI know that because I do it a lot hur
23:59.46dromlexerWell. I have no noteable person to highlight with, I'd just put "Aemonkian Insult".

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