| 00:00.02 | Wormy_STO | In fact by posting that you've probably the cemented the meme even more |
| 00:01.06 | Monet | Refresh the page :> |
| 00:02.44 | Wormy_STO | Perhaps a dangerous astereoid is detected on the collision course at some point |
| 00:03.00 | Wormy_STO | And everyone prepares to deflect it |
| 00:03.33 | Wormy_STO | Natural disasters will be interesting |
| 00:04.11 | Wormy_STO | I can't really think of any that might threaten the majority of SporeWiki civilisations beyond Tier 3 |
| 00:05.10 | Wormy_STO | Oh, natural Thunderbolts/Gridfire gravity waves maybe |
| 00:05.35 | Monet | Ooh yes, seeing how nations' media react to these crises could also be fun |
| 00:09.28 | Wormy_STO | Is this Civ universe actually in or just the Cretaceous, or 65 megayears later? |
| 00:09.34 | Wormy_STO | *just after the |
| 00:09.49 | Monet | No idea. |
| 00:10.11 | Liquid_Ink | Alternate Universe Earth idea is bad. |
| 00:11.05 | Wormy_STO | I propose, on the grounds of my geological knowledge, that if it based 65 megayears later, the continents don't have to be a spitting image, they will be room for us to add a bit of artistic liscence |
| 00:14.18 | Liquid_Ink | BAD |
| 00:15.24 | Wormy_STO | Well it could just be a Realities Altered universe, while we keep the Civverse differerent |
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| 00:16.26 | Liquid_Ink | Yes, have your alternate cretacious separate. |
| 00:17.19 | Wormy_STO | Tbh. I don't mind the Cretaceous idea |
| 00:17.38 | Wormy_STO | Though I'm neutral to whether we change it or not |
| 00:18.40 | Wormy_STO | I probably won't be very active in it anyhow |
| 00:18.51 | Wormy_STO | I still need to catch up with Koldenwelt |
| 00:19.50 | TekDroid | I just thought of a hilarious idea with civverse: Civ5 mods. XD |
| 00:20.08 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 00:20.25 | DrodoEmpire | I thought about a Scifiverse or Fantasyverse mod for EUIV |
| 00:20.29 | Monet | I jsut got reminded by Ink's argument on the blog. |
| 00:21.07 | Monet | Having a pool of species to choose from makes multi-nation species much more likely. |
| 00:21.21 | TekDroid | I'd tried some civ mods, but tech and terrain made it difficult. |
| 00:21.35 | DrodoEmpire | Of course, I'd need to know more about EUIV modding and code to attempt it; Making a massive, brand new map of the gigaquadrant would likely be the most painstaking part. |
| 00:21.38 | TekDroid | I think a pool makes the most sense. |
| 00:22.57 | Tybusen | I've tried making Civ V mods for the Scifiverse, but graphics tend to be my downfall when making mods |
| 00:23.00 | TekDroid | It should be limited, but allow some room. |
| 00:23.10 | Monet | But I'm with Ink on the matter of location: I prefer the idea of an idnependant planet. |
| 00:23.19 | TekDroid | Same here. |
| 00:23.24 | Tybusen | Yes, I prefer using an independent planet |
| 00:23.55 | TekDroid | Then me have more creative room. |
| 00:24.00 | TekDroid | *we |
| 00:26.26 | Monet | goodnight |
| 00:26.52 | Monet | Actually not just yet |
| 00:28.24 | Liquid_Ink | Could we reuse the name Deisna? Not the actual map of old Deisna, just the name. |
| 00:28.38 | TekDroid | I wouldn't mind. |
| 00:29.24 | Monet | I'm okay with it |
| 00:32.13 | Monet | Although maybe different nations have their own term? |
| 00:32.22 | Monet | coz different languages |
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| 00:58.51 | infobot | hmm... test is not funny |
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| 01:23.43 | Tybusen | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tybusen_Intergalactic_Allied_Federation/Government I've made some pretty big edits |
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| 05:02.30 | Tybusen | Allo u |
| 05:05.25 | Imperios | Hello |
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| 05:40.53 | Hachi__ | Hai |
| 05:46.44 | Impaway | buni |
| 05:47.14 | Hachi__ | hai Imp |
| 05:52.07 | Hachi__ | Impaway: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Monet47/Potential_Civ_Universe_Revival Seen this? |
| 05:52.22 | Impaway | not yet |
| 05:52.59 | Impaway | It's a good idea yeah |
| 05:55.14 | Hachi__ | Once we get it set up, you gonna take part? |
| 05:55.15 | Impaway | We need to make it more serious though |
| 05:55.20 | Impaway | Obviously |
| 05:55.22 | Hachi__ | Well yeah of course |
| 05:56.39 | Hachi__ | What'd you mean by make it more serious? |
| 05:57.50 | Impaway | Realism, y'know |
| 05:58.08 | Hachi__ | Right |
| 05:58.16 | Hachi__ | Yeah we're striving for realism |
| 05:58.28 | Hachi__ | Well, not all of it but we're basing it off realist-concepts |
| 06:14.02 | Aeo | Relist in the philosphical sense or in the "lol nothing good happens ebur" sense? |
| 06:14.19 | Aeo | In other words, do you mean Cynicism? |
| 06:15.04 | Hachi__ | I mixed up the word for realistic you dum |
| 06:15.45 | Hachi__ | As in actual geographic, scientific and chemical theory |
| 06:15.47 | Aeo | ok then |
| 06:17.28 | Hachi__ | However there will be significant amounts of grimdark on my part of the fiction :P |
| 06:17.34 | Hachi__ | Lotsa cynicism |
| 06:19.31 | Aeo | So it'll be pretentious, got it. |
| 06:19.51 | Aeo | Unless you have a reason you plan to make it dark |
| 06:19.59 | Hachi__ | Yes because you know a lot about pretentiousness |
| 06:20.49 | Aeo | I know that making something dark just to make it dark is pretentious. |
| 06:20.55 | Hachi__ | I do have my reasons to make it dark; I enjoy dark fiction |
| 06:21.31 | Aeo | Why? |
| 06:22.28 | Hachi__ | Why not? I find World War II and any other progress of conflict more interesting than superhero tales |
| 06:22.31 | Hachi__ | Superheroes always save the day; that's hardly a realistic output |
| 06:22.47 | Hachi__ | Which is why I enjoy Man of Steel, lotsa dark and realistic output |
| 06:23.59 | Aeo | Isn't grimdark just the opposite extreme? |
| 06:24.52 | Hachi__ | It's right there in the name; grimdark, as in little to no good side to the situation or setting |
| 06:24.59 | Hachi__ | And that is the setting I find the most interesting |
| 06:25.17 | Aeo | But that's not what reality is like. |
| 06:25.32 | Aeo | MOST people in real life are good in most areas. |
| 06:25.42 | Aeo | And things tend to improve over time. |
| 06:25.43 | Hachi__ | Well no, of course not but it's a lot more grimdark than one tends to think |
| 06:26.44 | Hachi__ | Like say, you got something awesome for your birthday, but people are still dying as you unwrap the paper, which took minutes to accomplish a fitting cover, in a matter of mere seconds. |
| 06:27.22 | Aeo | And yet the welfare of people in general goes up over time. |
| 06:27.39 | Hachi__ | If you say so, though I personally feel that welfare degrades |
| 06:27.50 | Hachi__ | As do rights and meaning of morals |
| 06:27.51 | Aeo | This isn't a matter of what people feel. |
| 06:28.14 | Aeo | The welfare of a population is objectively measurable. |
| 06:29.24 | Hachi__ | Tell that to Somalia :3 |
| 06:29.24 | Aeo | http://bost.ocks.org/mike/nations/ |
| 06:29.41 | Hachi__ | Anywho, I get what you're saying and yes it's true that the welfare for peoples does increase over time |
| 06:29.57 | Hachi__ | But you're forgetting the fact that it *can* degrade |
| 06:31.18 | Hachi__ | Anywho, I don't see what's wrong about making stuff grimdark |
| 06:31.19 | Aeo | But surely the exception isn't more "realistic" than the rule? |
| 06:31.50 | Hachi__ | People tend to discard the exceptions while I take curiosity in them |
| 06:31.57 | Aeo | What's bad is the bad taste bad things happening leaves in my mouth. |
| 06:32.12 | Aeo | And I'm not alone in this. |
| 06:32.28 | Hachi__ | And besides, isn't the modern world shaped on the deaths of others? |
| 06:32.48 | Hachi__ | How many people have other people killed to get to this point in time? |
| 06:32.59 | Hachi__ | As in, throughout the extent of human history |
| 06:33.37 | Aeo | That's a ridiculous argument. I could just as easily ask how many feats of perservearance or great achievments were needed. |
| 06:34.44 | Hachi__ | True but I personally find war more interesting to study and observe |
| 06:34.54 | Hachi__ | A lot more eventful |
| 06:35.15 | Hachi__ | More eventful and thought-provoking |
| 06:35.20 | Aeo | Nearly every story in the world is about a violent conflict between two parties. |
| 06:35.57 | Aeo | It'd be a lot more refreshing to see stories about the KSRO. |
| 06:36.20 | Hachi__ | Nobody wants to read a story about peace time |
| 06:36.21 | Hachi__ | You always need the antagonist or the villainy |
| 06:36.34 | Tybusen | Even peacetime stories have a conflict |
| 06:36.47 | Aeo | KSRO stories do have conflict |
| 06:36.53 | Hachi__ | And sometimes I enjoy the idea of that antagonism and villainy being subjective |
| 06:36.55 | Impaway | Hachi__: We could make a story revolved around political intrigue |
| 06:37.04 | Tybusen | I personally have no problem with grimdark |
| 06:37.23 | Aeo | shoots a kitten. |
| 06:37.25 | Hachi__ | Impaway: Oh? |
| 06:37.28 | Aeo | Wasn't that stupid? |
| 06:37.33 | Tybusen | Just that if I read too much of it at once without a break, it'll drag down my mood for a little until I read something light-hearted |
| 06:37.46 | Aeo | Because that's what grimdark is to me |
| 06:38.09 | Hachi__ | So needless violence then |
| 06:38.17 | Aeo | a picture of a man shooting a kitten, from which I, by definition, have nothing to gain... well, that's what pretentious darkness is like anyway. |
| 06:38.38 | Aeo | I don't have a problem with "grimdark" as you'd probably define it... actually you did earlier. |
| 06:38.44 | Aeo | Let me break it down. |
| 06:39.00 | Aeo | I have no problem with a story JUST because a lot of bad things happen. |
| 06:39.11 | Tybusen | Grimdark isn't people going around shooting kittens, it's more rather a featuring of the darker sides of society |
| 06:39.20 | Hachi__ | ^ |
| 06:39.43 | Hachi__ | That's not grimdark Aeo, that's needless violence |
| 06:39.46 | Hachi__ | Needless violence can be included in the grimdark setting but it's not what drives the plot as it makes a stupid story |
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| 06:39.59 | Aeo | If that's what Grimdark is, it could be used for good effect. |
| 06:40.12 | Tybusen | That's exactly it |
| 06:40.47 | Aeo | I define "Pretentious darkness" as "A story that the author made dark just to make it dark or to make it 'realistic' whose darkness doesn't actually serve a legitimate function in the story." |
| 06:41.15 | Hachi__ | lol tell that to Warhammer, whose story is pretty much fuelled on darkness |
| 06:41.17 | Aeo | If it serves the function of showcasing something wrong with society, it is satirical, a legitimate story function. |
| 06:41.26 | Tybusen | Pretentious darkness and grimdark are separate things. Generally, a lot of grimdark works reflect actual societal problems |
| 06:41.40 | Aeo | Tybusen: Yes, exactly. |
| 06:41.55 | Tybusen | Bad grimdark works will come off as pretentious, yes |
| 06:42.08 | Aeo | All pretentiously dark works are grimdark, but not all grimdark works are pretentiously dark. |
| 06:42.13 | Tybusen | ^ |
| 06:42.18 | Hachi__ | Exactly |
| 06:42.48 | Aeo | And I find the Zazane, DCP, and most of sporewiki's grimdark pretentious. |
| 06:43.13 | Hachi__ | I'd like to see you try and do grimdark |
| 06:43.29 | Tybusen | The DCP is the Orwellian state incarnate and it's justified grimdark |
| 06:43.46 | Tybusen | The Zazane is a reflection of the problems of feudal societies and is justified grimdark |
| 06:43.54 | Hachi__ | Yup |
| 06:44.11 | Aeo | Tybusen: I've never gotten any sense that there's supposed to be actual commentary there |
| 06:44.51 | Tybusen | Grimdark and satire don't always have to necessarily argue a point, they can always be an exploration of a darker subject |
| 06:45.29 | Impaway | Aeo: Zazane are a warrior specirs |
| 06:45.30 | Aeo | Also, I wrote this: http://xhawk77x.blogspot.com/2013/11/angel-of-death-101-theres-no-other-way.html You might say it's not dark because there is a sincere and legitimately moral protagonist, but it is still about a 16 year old boy who lives in a universe full of mosters who devour souls in order to sustain them as a way of gathering sustanence. He is one of said monsters. |
| 06:45.36 | Impaway | Of course they wre grimdark |
| 06:45.44 | Tybusen | The DCP isn't arguing for or against the Orwellian state but is an exploration of the Orwellian state |
| 06:45.56 | Impaway | Exactly |
| 06:46.09 | Aeo | Commentary, by definition, comments. |
| 06:46.33 | Tybusen | And satire doesn't always have to comment. |
| 06:46.40 | Tybusen | It can also explore. |
| 06:47.08 | Aeo | I guess I would just ask: What do I gain by reading about a bunch of innocent people suffering? |
| 06:47.41 | Tybusen | You learn what causes these people to suffer and why, and it changes your view of society based on what you now know |
| 06:47.41 | Hachi__ | Thought provocation and an enlightened gratefulness for what you have being two things |
| 06:48.30 | Tybusen | 1984, one of the definitive grimdark works, stirred discussion about authoritarianism, especially Stalinist Communism in Russia |
| 06:48.38 | Aeo | Tybusen: That'd be legitimate. It'd also kinda contradict the spirit, of cynicism, because though nothign really good happens in the work, the work itself is meant to do good for the real world. |
| 06:48.51 | Tybusen | Grimdark doesn't have to be cynical |
| 06:48.59 | Tybusen | It just seems that way because it's dark. |
| 06:49.02 | Aeo | How could it not be? |
| 06:49.39 | Aeo | Cynnicism is a belief that the bad in the world vastly outweighs the good, yes? |
| 06:49.44 | Aeo | Well, it's more an attitude |
| 06:49.51 | Aeo | But if it were a belief, it'd be that. |
| 06:50.05 | Tybusen | Yes, but a grimdark isn't always written with a cynical viewpoint |
| 06:50.26 | Tybusen | Because another aspect of the cynical philosophy is that nothing that we do can change the bad in the world |
| 06:51.04 | Aeo | Well by then, it's not really pretentious, and I have no issue with it. |
| 06:51.07 | Tybusen | But a lot of the prominent grimdarks like 1984 and Farenheit 451 were written with the intent of opening the audience's eyes to inspire change |
| 06:51.38 | Impaway | Ua |
| 06:51.41 | Impaway | Ya |
| 06:51.59 | Tybusen | Even then, a grimdark written with the intent of exploring a dark subject is not cynical in intent, rather it's more investigative |
| 06:52.01 | Aeo | But the DCP doesn't really do that. |
| 06:52.13 | Aeo | Not from what little I've read. |
| 06:52.15 | Tybusen | The DCP is an investigative grimdark, not an expository grimdark |
| 06:52.35 | Impaway | Hachi__: I kinda like the idea of Civniverse being an alternatice version of Earth |
| 06:52.43 | Tybusen | Expository grimdarks are the ones that try to send a message through their dark portrayal of society, these ones are the ones like 1984 |
| 06:52.56 | Aeo | All I know is this: Sporewiki's Andromeda is the story of a bunch of terrible people doing terrible things, and I don't care. |
| 06:53.13 | Tybusen | Investigative grimdarks are exploring the consequences of a certain point of view, it's up to the audience to determine whether it's bad or not |
| 06:53.42 | Tybusen | Aeo: Well then that's your opinion. That doesn't mean Andromeda is pretentiously dark. |
| 06:53.42 | Aeo | Also, I'd rather see grimdark satire self-contained. |
| 06:53.42 | Impaway | alternative |
| 06:53.56 | Hachi__ | Impaway: I kinda don't, though I can see benefits to both |
| 06:54.20 | Tybusen | What do you mean by self-contained? |
| 06:54.25 | Aeo | Because the dark tone of the finction universe bleeds into MY attempts to not be so pretentious. |
| 06:54.37 | Aeo | There's still all of those bad things happening over there. |
| 06:54.40 | Hachi__ | Aeo: See, that attitude in itself is cynical |
| 06:54.48 | Hachi__ | Because there are good parts to Andromeda and its setting and characters and you're ignoring them |
| 06:54.55 | Aeo | Like what? |
| 06:54.55 | Tybusen | The dark tone of the other fictions doesn't have to affect your fiction |
| 06:55.01 | Aeo | Yes it does. |
| 06:55.15 | Tybusen | The TIAF is one of the most light-hearted fictions on the wiki yet it's associated with some of the darkest ones |
| 06:55.25 | Aeo | Any time I'm anywhere near sporewiki, the bad taste of the DCP and DI is in my mouth. |
| 06:55.29 | Aeo | There's no getting it out. |
| 06:55.50 | Hachi__ | There's themes of love, friendship, cooperation and other hopeful stuff to be found in Andromeda |
| 06:56.11 | Tybusen | You shouldn't ignore something just because it seems to have values you don't support |
| 06:56.22 | Tybusen | In fact, those are the things you should be paying the most attention to |
| 06:56.44 | Tybusen | You can't argue a position without knowing about the opposition |
| 06:57.29 | Aeo | Hachi__ It doesn't matter if it's as awesome as shackespere. Dark cancels out light. A work is exactly as dark as it's darkest element for the most part. |
| 06:57.44 | Tybusen | That's not necessarily true |
| 06:57.45 | Hachi__ | "Dark cancels out light" wut |
| 06:57.54 | Impaway | Isn't it "its" and not "it's"? |
| 06:58.12 | Hachi__ | No it's "it's" |
| 06:58.19 | Aeo | Well, it's mote about what's most in my immediate experience. |
| 06:58.25 | Tybusen | No, it's "its" |
| 06:58.25 | Hachi__ | I find that light shines brightest when set in a dark environment |
| 06:58.29 | Tybusen | ^ |
| 06:58.37 | Tybusen | What is light in total light? |
| 06:58.54 | Aeo | And my empathy for DI and DCP's victims FAR outwiehgs any shits I could ever give about their struggles. |
| 06:58.57 | Tybusen | A flashlight is much brighter at night than during the day. |
| 06:59.22 | Hachi__ | Tybusen: No, it's "it's". |
| 06:59.31 | Aeo | shoots the grammar war. |
| 06:59.45 | Tybusen | Hachi__: "It's" would imply "it is", "its" is the possessive form |
| 06:59.53 | Hachi__ | Anywho |
| 07:00.19 | Tybusen | Aeo: It's all and well that you sympathize with the DCP and DI's victims, but that doesn't mean you should ignore the DCP and DI just because their morals don't agree with yours |
| 07:00.39 | Hachi__ | I find that light shines brightest in the grimdark setting which contrasts to the darkness that is hard to find in noblebright |
| 07:00.44 | Aeo | I don't ignore them. I want to see those problems GO AWAY. |
| 07:00.59 | Tybusen | Why? |
| 07:01.14 | Aeo | Hachi__ But that only works if it's not SO dark as to render hope a delusion |
| 07:01.42 | Tybusen | You say that dark cancels out light, but in reality it's actually light that cancels out dark |
| 07:02.01 | Aeo | "Dark" and "Light" are analogies |
| 07:02.26 | Aeo | Tonal darkness and light don't necisarilly interact the same way photons do with space not containing photons. |
| 07:03.03 | Tybusen | Point still stands. In a grimdark, any glimmer of hope is far more powerful than in noblebright because of how much it contrasts with and cancels out the darkness |
| 07:03.20 | Aeo | And as for why, it's because it's IMPOSSIBLE to take my mind off of them when I read. |
| 07:03.41 | Aeo | Tybusen: But in a truly pretentiously dark work, that hope is a delusion. |
| 07:03.55 | Tybusen | Well, then don't get your trousers in such a twist over their apparently-inreconciliable morals |
| 07:04.10 | Hachi__ | While fighting against the darkness is interesting and all, I find that it is dealing with the darkness as one of the more interesting aspects |
| 07:04.11 | Tybusen | Then you're calling 1984 pretentiously dark. |
| 07:04.14 | Hachi__ | And that is where the light shines brightest in the grimdark; amidst all the lack of hope and the daunting, imposing dark, there is something we can register as good in our eyes and minds |
| 07:04.59 | Tybusen | 1984 has a famous example of delusional hope yet you say that pretentiousdark works are the ones with delusional hope |
| 07:05.26 | Aeo | Tybusen: If it were written in a time and place where it's satire was irrelevent it WOULD be pretentously dark. |
| 07:06.06 | Aeo | Though I'm not sure such a time or place exists. |
| 07:06.45 | Tybusen | Well, that's the thing, a lot of the grimdarks on the Wiki involve themes and values that are still relevant today |
| 07:06.54 | Hachi__ | I find it amusing that you say you don't like the idea of cynicism and pretentious darkness yet when we talk about the good things to find among the bad you just ignore it and dismiss it, which is cynical thinking |
| 07:07.27 | Aeo | I'll admit that not everyone feels the horrible taste I get when I watch bad things happening (not when I watch characters whose morals I disagree with. Learn the difference) but I do, and I know of at least one other person who does. |
| 07:07.37 | Aeo | Well, who I think does. |
| 07:07.46 | Tybusen | The DCP is practically the Wikiverse version of 1984, its themes are as relevant as Orwell's |
| 07:07.47 | Aeo | Who has some of the same peeves as me. |
| 07:08.01 | Tybusen | It's a double standard to say that 1984 is good but the DCP is abhorrent |
| 07:08.23 | Tybusen | Since quite honestly the two are very similar |
| 07:08.28 | Hachi__ | Jah |
| 07:09.04 | Aeo | 1: 1984 came first, 2: 1984 already exists as of the DCP, making it redundant, 3: Don't get me wrong, 1984 DOES leave the same bad taste in my mouth, but there is use for one of it. |
| 07:09.15 | Tybusen | To say 1984 is a good grimdark because of its authoritarian themes yet to say the DCP is a pretentiousdark because it uses 1984 values is hypocritical |
| 07:09.40 | Aeo | DCP is pretentousdark, if it is, because it doesn't have anything to SAY> |
| 07:09.45 | Tybusen | Redundancy does not make a bad work |
| 07:09.55 | Tybusen | And just because it doesn't say anything, doesn't make it bad |
| 07:09.55 | Aeo | But it helps/ |
| 07:10.12 | Hachi__ | "It could be worse for you." |
| 07:10.14 | Aeo | But having nothing to say removes that possible reason to exist. |
| 07:10.28 | Aeo | Hachi__ That's a stupid message I already knew. |
| 07:10.38 | Tybusen | I'd echo Hachi__ and say that all grimdarks have that message. |
| 07:11.25 | Aeo | I've only seen one work pull that off well, and it's also the only piece of media I've actually consumed that I would consider good grimdark: Puella Magi Madoka Magica. |
| 07:11.32 | Hachi__ | ew |
| 07:11.35 | Hachi__ | And that's one of the reasons I like grimdark |
| 07:11.36 | Aeo | I've not read 1984 |
| 07:11.37 | Hachi__ | If I feel depressed or saddened, I go read up on a grimdark setting and makes me think "you know, I've been stabbed with a sword, but at least I haven't been stabbed with four." |
| 07:11.54 | Tybusen | Why are you saying that 1984 leaves a bad taste in your mouth if you've never read it? |
| 07:12.10 | Aeo | When I contemplate what I do know about it, it does. |
| 07:12.17 | Hachi__ | Wow |
| 07:12.25 | Tybusen | Then read the actual goddamn book then |
| 07:12.37 | Hachi__ | You're judging something you have no actual, first-hand experience with |
| 07:12.46 | Hachi__ | That's just whoa |
| 07:12.49 | Tybusen | Don't even try to judge grimdarks if you've never read 1984 |
| 07:13.28 | Hachi__ | You've just lost the right to argue against grimdark |
| 07:13.37 | Hachi__ | Now I'm gonna go take a shower |
| 07:13.42 | Aeo | Because I've not read one specific example? |
| 07:13.44 | Tybusen | If the most grimdark experience you've had is Madoka Magica and you haven't even read a real grimdark, you've already lost the argument |
| 07:13.51 | Tybusen | 1984 is THE grimdark |
| 07:14.00 | Aeo | I've read YOUR grimdark? |
| 07:14.16 | Tybusen | It is, along with Brave New World and Farenheit 451, the codifying examples of the Western grimdark |
| 07:14.22 | Hachi__ | You've not read the ORIGINAL grimdark |
| 07:14.33 | Hachi__ | Now bbs |
| 07:14.40 | Tybusen | It's not MY grimdark, it's every well-read person's grimdark |
| 07:14.41 | *** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (65a55114@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.165.81.20) |
| 07:14.56 | Aeo | YOUR as in Hachi's |
| 07:15.19 | Aeo | I've read and heard about the zazane. |
| 07:15.20 | Tybusen | It's not his grimdark, it's not my grimdark, it's THE ORIGINAL grimdark |
| 07:15.43 | Aeo | I'm not arguing that all grimdark sucks. |
| 07:15.57 | Tybusen | I know that |
| 07:16.04 | Tybusen | You're arguing that all grimdark on the Wiki sucks |
| 07:16.06 | Aeo | I don't think I ever have with grimdark being defined in a way that would include 1984 and Madoka |
| 07:16.27 | Aeo | Thus far, I've not seen any on the wiki that doesn't. |
| 07:16.44 | Tybusen | To be fair, I myself I have not watched Madoka, but I will take your word for it that it is a respectable grimdark |
| 07:17.00 | Aeo | I can see how someone who isn't bothered by the taste of innocent people suffering would like sporewiki stuff |
| 07:17.42 | Tybusen | But until you have read at least one or two of the three original Western grimdarks, I would say that you are not in a position to fairly judge grimdarks |
| 07:18.04 | Aeo | Which is why I havn't. |
| 07:18.17 | Aeo | Here's what I know: |
| 07:18.45 | Aeo | Every Grimdark I've read or consumed has left a bad taste in my mouth, even the good ones. The good ones are defined by overcoming it. |
| 07:19.01 | Tybusen | Read 1984 |
| 07:19.31 | Tybusen | A good grimdark is not defined by whether it provides real hope or not |
| 07:19.34 | Aeo | 2: This also includes accidental grimdarks like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. |
| 07:19.43 | Aeo | That's not what I meant. |
| 07:20.09 | Tybusen | In fact, 1984, Brave New World, and Farenheit 451 never actually show the protagonists overcoming the dystopia nor give any implications that they ever do |
| 07:20.53 | Aeo | With me, there is an intrinsic negative to ANY bad thing that happens, especially when it happens for stupid reasons. Good grimdark overcomes it by being entertaining enough to compensate. |
| 07:21.26 | Aeo | Or by keeping it out of focus enough that I can avoid thinking about it. |
| 07:21.30 | Tybusen | So a good grimdark is where the sadism is entertaining enough to you to make up for the consequences? |
| 07:21.48 | Tybusen | I think you've contradicted yourself again |
| 07:21.53 | Aeo | No, good grimdark is where SOMETHING is entertaining enough to do that/ |
| 07:22.21 | Tybusen | And the action and humor of the Wiki doesn't satisfy that, dark as it is? |
| 07:22.29 | Aeo | Madoka is grimdark. That makes it worse. It is also a very inspiring, surprise-filled, and thought-provoking story. |
| 07:22.57 | Aeo | Tybusen: No one writhing on our level is competent enough to make up for the kind of dark the wiki indulges in. |
| 07:23.08 | Tybusen | Ouch. |
| 07:23.37 | Aeo | Not me, not you, not hachi, not Xho, not Monet, not anyone on the wiki, or who'll likely ever join it. |
| 07:23.50 | Tybusen | You don't think anyone on the Wiki can write something thought-provoking |
| 07:24.01 | Aeo | And that's fine, because we're all a bunch of teenagers who havn't been writing very long. |
| 07:24.08 | Tybusen | Go talk to Xho |
| 07:24.09 | Aeo | Only for a few years. |
| 07:24.22 | Tybusen | Ask for a discussion on what the Xhodocto really are |
| 07:24.27 | Aeo | And it can't be thought provoking enough. |
| 07:24.29 | Tybusen | Get back to me after that |
| 07:24.46 | Aeo | They're the enbodyments of the fact that the universe will end? |
| 07:24.47 | Tybusen | Is it that it isn't thought-provoking or is it that you don't want to think about it? |
| 07:24.59 | Tybusen | There are many ways to interpret the Xhodocto. |
| 07:25.03 | Tybusen | Ask Xho for a sampler |
| 07:25.27 | Tybusen | Somewhere buried in the IRC logs was a some-hours long discussion about what the true nature of the Xhodocto are |
| 07:26.18 | Tybusen | Are they the embodiments of the universe's transience? Or are they a complex demonic race capable of destroying universes? Or are they the manifestation of the force of nature itself? |
| 07:26.59 | Tybusen | I think any well-written story will lead to readers questioning why things are the way they are |
| 07:27.21 | Aeo | For an idea of what "thought provoking enough" is: Madoka raises important questions about the nature of the call to adventure and the heroes journey. It also has a lot to say about utilitarianism, means justifying ends, and why people want what they want. |
| 07:28.00 | Aeo | It makes subversive commentary not only on Magical Girl Anime, but on the heroes journey itself. |
| 07:28.19 | Tybusen | Okay |
| 07:28.36 | Tybusen | But a work doesn't have to make such overarching commentary to be good |
| 07:28.52 | Aeo | But it has to have something. |
| 07:29.05 | Tybusen | Sure, let's run with that |
| 07:29.09 | Tybusen | What does the DCP say? |
| 07:29.39 | Tybusen | It discusses the consequences of the Orwellian state, and how being on the "good" side can change people's perceptions of you despite your "bad" traits |
| 07:30.05 | Tybusen | The DCP is a discussion of Orwellianism and the nature of the anti-hero. |
| 07:30.43 | Aeo | I'll take your word for it. |
| 07:31.15 | Tybusen | The Draconid Imperium explores cultural posturing and the idea of "respect your elders, elders know best" |
| 07:31.24 | Aeo | I was always under the impression it was a discussion of moral dissonance on the part of a bunch of writers on the internet who are too stupid to tell the DCP are villains. |
| 07:31.33 | Aeo | Not you specifically. |
| 07:31.42 | Tybusen | The DCP is an anti-hero, not a villain. |
| 07:31.52 | Aeo | But I didn't realize guys like Monet and Xho knew the DCP was terrible. |
| 07:31.59 | Aeo | Well, that's not quite right. |
| 07:32.11 | Tybusen | Why not? |
| 07:32.17 | Aeo | I didn't realize they grasped that it was irredeemably terrible. |
| 07:32.46 | Tybusen | Everyone knows that the DCP is terrible, but they are treated as good guys because they helped save everyone in the end |
| 07:32.56 | Aeo | Huh. |
| 07:33.05 | Aeo | I guess I didn't realize you got the joke. |
| 07:33.09 | Tybusen | Don't you think that warrants discussion about the nature of the anti-hero? |
| 07:33.14 | Aeo | WOrmy gave me the impression you didn't know. |
| 07:33.28 | Aeo | Yes, but keep it away from me who wants to write the Aeoneonatrix, k? |
| 07:33.38 | Tybusen | Of course. |
| 07:33.52 | Tybusen | We've never been trying to force you to write grimdark |
| 07:33.52 | Aeo | Because what the Aeoneonatrix are cannot exist in the same universe as what Oceania is. |
| 07:34.05 | Tybusen | Yes, actually, they can |
| 07:34.17 | Aeo | You can't have a symbol of eternal hope in the same universe as an absolutely unsolvable problem. |
| 07:34.38 | Aeo | Either the Aeoneonatrix are fools or the DCP is conquerable, and will one day be conquered or tamed. |
| 07:34.46 | Tybusen | Well, first off, you have given the Aeons some dark qualities, so they're not eternal hope |
| 07:35.03 | Aeo | But there's hope for them to improve |
| 07:35.06 | Tybusen | And the DCP isn't irredeemable either, since they have a sense of duty to the rest of the universe |
| 07:35.47 | Aeo | But the Aeoneonatrix only make sense if the DCP will, not just might, but WILL one day collapse or improve. |
| 07:35.55 | Tybusen | Again, you cannot view the world, especially not the Wikiverse, in blacks and whites. You have to views them in shades of gray. |
| 07:35.56 | Aeo | Even if not for a long time. |
| 07:36.06 | Tybusen | 50 shades of gray to be exact hur :U |
| 07:36.23 | Aeo | Nonsense. Greys are just different shades of black. |
| 07:36.25 | Tybusen | The DCP does collapse in some Multiverse futures |
| 07:36.36 | Tybusen | Is grey a shade of black? Or is a shade of white? |
| 07:36.49 | Aeo | Things and people only have good and bad elements. They only LOOK grey when you zoom out. |
| 07:37.17 | Aeo | Like a screen made of black and white checkerboards where the bits are small enough. |
| 07:37.19 | Tybusen | Elements can be black or white, but they can also be grey |
| 07:37.31 | Aeo | It looks grey, but it's just a bunch of black and white. |
| 07:37.42 | Aeo | And no they can't, not unless they are composites. |
| 07:37.54 | Aeo | Murder has various aspects to it, so it might be grey. |
| 07:37.59 | Tybusen | Okay, I will give you that in that moral ambiguities have aspects of both black and white. |
| 07:38.38 | Tybusen | A man who performs a Mercy Kill on someone else, for example. Black in that he killed a person, white in that he ended his suffering. |
| 07:38.48 | Tybusen | Therefore, grey, and open to interpretation. |
| 07:38.56 | Aeo | But the concept of a person dying, apart from any justice it might involve or good consequences it might have, is purely black. |
| 07:39.15 | Aeo | Those positive consequences, isolated, are purely white. |
| 07:39.23 | Tybusen | Not exactly |
| 07:39.28 | Aeo | Yes exactly. |
| 07:39.42 | Tybusen | The concept of dying cannot be isolated simply because of the many different factors it is entangled with |
| 07:40.06 | Aeo | Name one thing that has moral greyness which doesn't stem from a combination of good and bad elements. |
| 07:40.17 | Impaway | Aeo: You're quite arrogant, aren't you? |
| 07:40.27 | Impaway | Aeo: Living? |
| 07:40.35 | Tybusen | I was never arguing that things can be simply gray and not black and white |
| 07:40.36 | Impaway | Hm |
| 07:40.48 | Tybusen | I was in fact agreeing with you that grey is a combination of black and white elements |
| 07:40.50 | Aeo | Tybusen: I thought you were. |
| 07:40.56 | Aeo | Ok then |
| 07:40.58 | Aeo | My mistake |
| 07:41.15 | Tybusen | My Mercy Kill example was showing a grey attribute that, when broken, down, can be separated into black and white |
| 07:41.48 | Aeo | Yes. |
| 07:42.04 | Tybusen | Death is finicky, since death by itself is more vague than its more specific examples and cannot really be assigned a definitive black and white |
| 07:42.21 | Tybusen | Because all of the different circumstantial deaths that make up the concept of death itself render it grey. |
| 07:42.34 | Hachi_Away | So I come back from my shower and I feel personally insulted |
| 07:43.36 | Aeo | Hachi___ This discussion has shifted. |
| 07:44.04 | Hachi___ | I don't write to appease you Aeo because I've seen your wiki writing and in no way does it compare nor make me think as much as Xho's or Imperios' own fiction |
| 07:44.06 | Hachi___ | Yours is bland, dull and emotionless and I feel insulted that you have the nerve to state that I am an incompetent writer |
| 07:44.23 | Hachi___ | As well as all these other people |
| 07:44.28 | Aeo | I've not claimed to be better than you. |
| 07:44.44 | Tybusen | Yes, Aeo, don't criticize the other writers for inexperience when they have been here for nearly 5 times as long as you have |
| 07:45.03 | Hachi___ | You claimed I was incompetent when you have some of the blandest pieces of crap on this wiki |
| 07:45.21 | Hachi___ | You have no right to criticize me nor any experienced user here |
| 07:45.21 | Aeo | You know, if I put my all into the prose and such, I could do it a lot better. |
| 07:45.39 | Hachi___ | But you don't |
| 07:45.44 | Tybusen | Then why don't you put your all into it? |
| 07:45.45 | Aeo | Also, I can criticize professional level writers better than me. |
| 07:45.47 | Hachi___ | You don't put in all your effort or prose |
| 07:45.55 | Hachi___ | That is what makes you a crappy writer |
| 07:45.59 | Tybusen | Why publish it on the Wiki if you're not giving it your all? |
| 07:46.02 | Aeo | Tybusen: Because I'd release one section a month. |
| 07:46.37 | Tybusen | It's a bit insulting to me in fact that you have the nerve to criticize users that put their all into it when you claim to barely put in any effort |
| 07:46.40 | Aeo | MY ALL would be going through several drafts and taking loads of outside input. |
| 07:46.48 | Tybusen | That's pretentious and arrogant |
| 07:47.01 | Aeo | What? I've not said I'm better than them |
| 07:47.15 | Hachi___ | You claimed incompetency |
| 07:47.18 | Tybusen | By trying to drag them down, you're essentially setting up for that. |
| 07:47.20 | Hachi___ | That's really fucking insulting |
| 07:47.28 | Aeo | Okay, let me be clearer. |
| 07:47.52 | Tybusen | No amount of spinning will change the fact that you called some of the Wiki's veterans incompetent. |
| 07:48.08 | Aeo | None of us compare to professional level writers. |
| 07:48.16 | Hachi___ | I have had feedback on my work from multiple other experienced writers both on and off wiki |
| 07:48.17 | Aeo | That was my point. |
| 07:48.19 | Hachi___ | It has been immensely positive |
| 07:48.43 | Tybusen | And none of us claim to be professional writers, but that still doesn't give you an excuse to call us incompetent |
| 07:48.54 | Aeo | I said no one here is competent ENOUGH to do something I regard as nearly impossible, that is, be so good as to overshadow sporewiki's darkness for me personally. |
| 07:49.14 | Hachi___ | Then you're just a picky eater |
| 07:49.21 | Hachi___ | And you have no right to claim incompetency |
| 07:49.22 | Tybusen | Well, then that makes you an insufferable pretentious twit |
| 07:49.37 | Tybusen | Who can't be pleased |
| 07:50.05 | Hachi___ | Just because my theme of writing doesn't appease your standard you claim me as being incompetent |
| 07:50.10 | Hachi___ | What sort of critic is that |
| 07:50.23 | Aeo | That's not what I said. |
| 07:50.29 | Aeo | You are not bad. |
| 07:50.30 | Hachi___ | As a writer I feel personally disgusted by your statement |
| 07:50.31 | Tybusen | A chef doesn't have to listen to a picky eater who doesn't like their masterpiece simply because they don't like the type of food |
| 07:50.36 | Aeo | You're just not good enough for a specific thing. |
| 07:50.44 | Tybusen | That's still insulting. |
| 07:50.49 | Hachi___ | I'm out |
| 07:50.52 | Hachi___ | I'm done here |
| 07:51.03 | Hachi___ | I don't have to listen to this crap |
| 07:51.15 | Aeo | You're also not gooe enough to win a write-off with JRR Tolkien. |
| 07:51.22 | Aeo | That's not an insult to you. |
| 07:51.25 | Tybusen | Aeo, cut it with the put-downs |
| 07:51.36 | Aeo | IT"S NOT A PUT DOWN> |
| 07:51.44 | Tybusen | It was phrased like one. |
| 07:52.05 | Aeo | Okay, let me phrase it better. |
| 07:52.12 | Tybusen | Of course we're not going to win a write-off with Tolkien, but you don't have to remind us about it |
| 07:52.22 | Aeo | Sporewiki is so dark, that only a professional level writer could make up for it. |
| 07:52.31 | Tybusen | That made it worse. |
| 07:52.32 | Aeo | How is that? |
| 07:52.36 | Hachi___ | Why should we have to make up for it |
| 07:52.52 | Tybusen | Why should we have to compensate for your snobbiness in regards to the grimdark genre |
| 07:53.03 | Aeo | Because bad tasting darkness is an intrensic bad. |
| 07:53.24 | Hachi___ | It tastes bad because you have no experience with it and you don't like it based on assumption |
| 07:53.28 | Aeo | That is, darkness which makes me feel sad at all of the bad things in a certain way. |
| 07:53.49 | Tybusen | The writers of Madoka aren't going to change it into some Lucky Star-style shit just because you don't like grimdark |
| 07:54.04 | Aeo | I'm not asking them to |
| 07:54.10 | Hachi___ | A genre which you have little to no experience with |
| 07:54.11 | Hachi___ | And I feel insulted you'd compare one of my favourite genres of literature to a fucking Magical Girl anime |
| 07:54.12 | Tybusen | But that's what you're asking us |
| 07:54.28 | Aeo | Hachi___ Have you seen Madoka? |
| 07:54.41 | Aeo | It's insanely good and I was using it as a positive example. |
| 07:54.46 | Hachi___ | I've seen enough Magical Girl to know I despise it |
| 07:54.59 | Hachi___ | I have experience with it, you don't have experience with grimdark |
| 07:55.04 | Tybusen | Madoka is not sufficient enough to compare to Western grimdarks |
| 07:55.26 | Tybusen | You absolutely need to read 1984 before you try to discuss the grimdark genre |
| 07:56.00 | Aeo | Fine then, But I get to say I Told you so when it's darkness turns out to do nothing but hurt it, okay? |
| 07:56.24 | Liquid_Ink | Aeo, your own opinion is not the quintessential truth of the universe. |
| 07:56.29 | Tybusen | Fair enough, just know you'll never end up saying "I Told You So" to me then |
| 07:56.39 | Aeo | Or else when it turns out it was serving the story very directly. |
| 07:56.45 | Aeo | like in this: http://xhawk77x.blogspot.com/2013/11/angel-of-death-101-theres-no-other-way.html |
| 07:56.58 | Tybusen | Don't use your own writing as an example |
| 07:57.02 | Hachi___ | Idiot |
| 07:57.28 | Aeo | And now the masters of misinterpretation think I just compared myself to Orwell in quality, don't they? |
| 07:57.41 | Tybusen | You have the nerve to say that you're not trying to put yourself above us yet you just provided your own work as a "good example" |
| 07:58.10 | Tybusen | It's when you pull shit like this Aeo that makes me real tired of your bullshit |
| 07:58.22 | Hachi___ | You also have the nerve to then call the veteran Sporewiki writers incompetent |
| 07:58.37 | Aeo | THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT! |
| 07:59.00 | Aeo | "You cannot jump into fucking space" is not the same as "you are a bad athlete." |
| 07:59.18 | Tybusen | You're exaggerating now |
| 07:59.19 | Hachi___ | So you're saying I can never compare to a professional writer? |
| 07:59.40 | Hachi___ | When feedback on my writing has been largely positive? |
| 07:59.42 | Aeo | How... how... what in what I said even gave you that impresson? |
| 08:00.01 | Aeo | Are you trolling me by deliberately misinterpreting what I say? |
| 08:00.03 | Tybusen | You're implying that none of us have the potential to be memorable writers. |
| 08:00.08 | Aeo | NO |
| 08:00.33 | Tybusen | You said yourself that we won't compare to JRR Tolkien |
| 08:00.48 | Aeo | Alright, here is my statement again, reworded for The Giver levels of percision of language. |
| 08:01.12 | Tybusen | You've at least read the Giver. That's a start. |
| 08:01.42 | Impaway | Aeo: Well, are you any better? |
| 08:01.50 | Tybusen | ^ |
| 08:02.03 | Hachi___ | Somebody with a literature style as bland as yours doesn't deserve to call others out on not being "experienced" |
| 08:02.04 | Hachi___ | It's the writing style I see in a goddamned Goosebumps book |
| 08:02.20 | Impaway | I concur |
| 08:03.01 | Tybusen | Excuse this biting criticism but quite honestly Nowuro Dreamdusk sounds like a name you'd hear in a bad fanfiction of a Japanese series |
| 08:03.10 | Hachi___ | Or Twilight |
| 08:03.14 | Impaway | We aren't Tolkiens, but we are at the beginning of our path and have already made a lot |
| 08:03.29 | Tybusen | Tolkien was probably one of us when he first started. |
| 08:03.30 | Aeo | The persons on this wiki are all relatively inexperienced compared to people like Suzanne Collins, JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis, George Orwell, or the guy who wrote Madoka. As a result, you currently cannot accomplish writing tasks that they can. This doesn't mean you never will be able to, it is just my making a realistic acknowledgment of our, not your, but OUR lacking skills at this exact moment. |
| 08:03.34 | Impaway | Indeed |
| 08:03.34 | Aeo | THERE |
| 08:03.39 | Aeo | MISINTERPRET THAT |
| 08:03.43 | Aeo | I DARE YOU |
| 08:03.44 | Impaway | YOU |
| 08:03.51 | Impaway | actuwlly nvm |
| 08:03.52 | Aeo | I DOUBLE DARE YOU MOTHER FUCKER |
| 08:04.00 | Impaway | calm down |
| 08:04.00 | Tybusen | Watch it. |
| 08:04.08 | Aeo | pulls a gun and starts firing randomly. |
| 08:04.13 | Hachi___ | I don't know |
| 08:04.14 | Tybusen | You aren't Samuel L. Jackson |
| 08:04.14 | Hachi___ | I reckon I could given enough time |
| 08:04.15 | Liquid_Ink | Watch out. We have a badass over here. |
| 08:04.41 | Aeo | And that refference was more about how frustrated I am |
| 08:04.51 | Tybusen | Implying that the guy who wrote Madoka is on the same level as Tolkien and Orwell |
| 08:04.55 | Aeo | No |
| 08:05.21 | Aeo | Those were a series of people who I thought could pull the relevent task off |
| 08:05.31 | Tybusen | I bet one of us could write something at least better than Madoka. |
| 08:05.34 | Aeo | Not all as good as each other. |
| 08:05.38 | Aeo | No. |
| 08:05.45 | Tybusen | Really now? |
| 08:06.12 | Aeo | Really. Many professionals don't reach that level. |
| 08:06.20 | Aeo | Madoka is REALLY, REALLY good. |
| 08:06.31 | Hachi___ | You don't even know the writer's name |
| 08:06.34 | Liquid_Ink | (Opinion) |
| 08:06.35 | Hachi___ | What kind of example is that |
| 08:06.36 | Tybusen | That no combination of our talents and maximization of our efforts could top a Magical Girl Anime |
| 08:06.47 | Tybusen | That's really pathetic. |
| 08:06.47 | Hachi___ | I feel even more insulted than before |
| 08:06.50 | Hachi___ | I'm gone guys |
| 08:06.53 | Hachi___ | I'm out of here |
| 08:06.53 | Aeo | Of course I don't. I'm not good at memorizing names in general, let alone in other languages. |
| 08:07.08 | Hachi___ | No, it just goes to show how unmemorable the writer is |
| 08:07.26 | Tybusen | You seemed to remember Orwell, Tolkien, Lewis, and Collins pretty well |
| 08:07.33 | Aeo | Gen Urobuchi is unmemorable? |
| 08:07.36 | Tybusen | Collins isn't even considered one of the great Western writers |
| 08:07.43 | Aeo | I knoe |
| 08:08.14 | Tybusen | If Madoka was a truly great anime, its writers would be remembered |
| 08:08.22 | Impaway | Wait |
| 08:08.30 | Tybusen | Well, I take that back |
| 08:08.31 | Aeo | Hachi___ I'm not much of an Otaku, but I was under the impresson Gen Urobuchi is one of the kings of anime grimdark. |
| 08:08.32 | Impaway | Madoka is an anime? |
| 08:08.35 | Aeo | yes. |
| 08:08.43 | Hachi___ | Umm no |
| 08:08.51 | Aeo | Huh. |
| 08:08.55 | Tybusen | Gen is a practical nobody in the anime world |
| 08:09.14 | Tybusen | The anime giants are Akira Toriyama and Masao name that starts with an H |
| 08:09.17 | Aeo | Well Madoka is good. If you don't believe me, watch it. |
| 08:09.27 | Liquid_Ink | (Opinion) |
| 08:09.36 | Hachi___ | Hajime Isayama is a rising star in the grimdark genre and he's had a shorter time around than Gen |
| 08:09.38 | Tybusen | Masao that guy who made Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away |
| 08:09.44 | Hachi___ | Because his stuff is actually grimdark |
| 08:09.48 | Tybusen | Hajime wrote Attack on Titan, right? |
| 08:09.51 | Hachi___ | Yup |
| 08:09.55 | Tybusen | See |
| 08:10.16 | Tybusen | I remember his name and quite a few others know it too because Attack on Titan is a decent grimdark anime |
| 08:10.23 | Impaway | Too much Japanese *implodes* |
| 08:10.25 | Aeo | Be honest, will you guys ever manage to like me so long as I disagree with yout? |
| 08:10.31 | Tybusen | I'd bet AoT is a better example of grimadark anime than Madoka |
| 08:10.35 | Hachi___ | Impaway: *improdes |
| 08:10.54 | Tybusen | It's not that you disagree with us, it's that you're being insulting and condescending |
| 08:10.57 | Impaway | Aeo: As long as you curb your ego |
| 08:11.30 | Impaway | You look down at us as if you were Dostoyevsky |
| 08:11.31 | Tybusen | Your incredible egoism is the thing that stands between you and acceptance from the rest of us |
| 08:12.02 | Aeo | I'm very confident in my positions. I'll admit that I can be egotistical in that one area and no other, but I really don't think I'm better than you, or that I'm the smartest person around. |
| 08:12.13 | Tybusen | Really? |
| 08:12.16 | Tybusen | Really now? |
| 08:12.23 | Impaway | Hachi__: dat extlemery lacist |
| 08:12.36 | Hachi___ | Most writers here give creative feedback rather than just plain state "you're never going to be as good as this professional so you suck" |
| 08:12.40 | Impaway | Aeo: You act as you do |
| 08:12.53 | Liquid_Ink | You've heavily implied it. |
| 08:12.57 | Aeo | Hachi___ You may well be that good one day. |
| 08:13.05 | Hachi___ | Too late to compliment me now |
| 08:13.06 | Tybusen | Impaway: why you tark rike chinee when we were tarking about japanee |
| 08:13.19 | Aeo | I thought I made that clear as soon as you misinterpreted me the first time. |
| 08:13.27 | Tybusen | There's no real digging yourself out of this one Aeo |
| 08:13.35 | Tybusen | You're really digging yourself a deeper hole |
| 08:13.50 | Hachi___ | Impaway: So does racism bring dishonour to famiry |
| 08:14.05 | Aeo | I can see how someone could see what you inferred now that I think back, but that's not what I meant. |
| 08:14.09 | Tybusen | And all that dirt that you're shoveling out is eventually going to come tumbling down and bury you. |
| 08:14.57 | Impaway | anyway, I'm out |
| 08:15.08 | Hachi___ | Same here, got college |
| 08:15.09 | Tybusen | I've perused the Internet a bit and while I've seen Madoka get a few mentions, it's hardly one of the big animes of anime history and pop culture |
| 08:15.36 | Tybusen | If you want grimdark animes, I think you'd need to look at Akira and Attack on Titan |
| 08:15.43 | Hachi___ | And Berserk |
| 08:15.48 | Hachi___ | My God, Berserk |
| 08:15.57 | Tybusen | And Hellsing, am I correct? |
| 08:15.59 | Hachi___ | Yus |
| 08:16.01 | Aeo | The way you talk about them makes me want to avoid them. |
| 08:16.04 | Hachi___ | Well Hellsing Ultimate |
| 08:16.12 | Tybusen | And Death Note, I believe |
| 08:16.17 | Aeo | I've seen Death NOte |
| 08:16.18 | Hachi___ | OH GOD DEATH NOTE <3 |
| 08:16.28 | Hachi___ | *KIRA |
| 08:16.57 | Tybusen | Now that I think about it a lot of the modern animes that aren't DBZ, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, or Lucky Star are actually quite grimdark |
| 08:17.01 | Aeo | It never really occured to me that it was grimdark. |
| 08:17.10 | Hachi___ | How could it not |
| 08:17.18 | Tybusen | Death Note is extremely dark. |
| 08:17.21 | Hachi___ | Death Note is very dark |
| 08:17.26 | Aeo | Well, the good guys both exist and win in the end. |
| 08:17.31 | Tybusen | Hell, it's written all over the title |
| 08:17.55 | Hachi___ | Yeah but how many people had to die before Kira was discovered |
| 08:18.01 | Hachi___ | You don't think about that |
| 08:18.07 | Tybusen | I haven't watched Death Note myself but I know enough about it that the protagonist is by no means a good guy |
| 08:18.22 | Tybusen | From what I remember he's kinda a dick |
| 08:18.29 | Hachi___ | Big dick hur |
| 08:18.30 | Aeo | Tybusen: Yes, but there are unambiguous good guys. They're just not the POV |
| 08:18.43 | Hachi___ | There are good guys but they hardly win |
| 08:18.51 | Hachi___ | They win after years of so much death |
| 08:18.51 | Aeo | Near wins |
| 08:19.02 | Aeo | Unambiguously kicks Kira's ass. |
| 08:19.04 | Tybusen | The world from the viewpoint of who would traditionally be an antagonist. Pretty dark if you ask me. |
| 08:19.14 | Tybusen | Even if there are good guys. |
| 08:19.36 | Tybusen | Have you ever thought about the implications of a good guy's actions to the "bad guy"? |
| 08:19.51 | Aeo | And L's death wasn't exactly a good part of the series, and not even primarilly because of how dark it was. |
| 08:20.04 | Hachi___ | The main reason Kira lost was because the good guys had a child prodigy and Kira made a mistake |
| 08:20.08 | Aeo | More because L was fun to watch and near is boring by comparison |
| 08:20.32 | Tybusen | Wasn't L a massive dick? |
| 08:20.37 | Hachi___ | L was kind of a dick |
| 08:20.45 | Tybusen | Or was Kira the massive dick? |
| 08:20.51 | Hachi___ | They're both dicks hur |
| 08:20.55 | Tybusen | I know Death Note had a really big dick as a protagonist |
| 08:20.59 | Liquid_Ink | Everyone is a massiv dick! |
| 08:21.06 | Hachi___ | Anywho gotta go now, correge |
| 08:21.13 | Tybusen | Except Hachi. Hachi is massive WIIIIIIIIIIIIIENER |
| 08:21.16 | Tybusen | DAMNIT |
| 08:21.24 | Tybusen | GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 08:21.27 | Tybusen | DAMN YOU |
| 08:21.32 | Liquid_Ink | Hurr |
| 08:21.33 | Tybusen | DAMN YOU FOR LEAVING |
| 08:21.34 | Impaway | DAMN HE REFT |
| 08:21.37 | Tybusen | AHHHHHHHH |
| 08:21.42 | Tybusen | ok im calm now |
| 08:21.53 | Aeo | Maybe that's the measure of good Grimdark: You don't notice it's grimdark? |
| 08:22.09 | Tybusen | Good grimdark can be noticeable or not |
| 08:22.17 | Tybusen | 1984 is incredibly noticeable grimdark |
| 08:23.13 | Liquid_Ink | Just because you do not like cynical stories does not mean they are bad by default. |
| 08:23.19 | Liquid_Ink | [17:56] <Liquid_Ink> Aeo, your own opinion is not the quintessential truth of the universe. |
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| 08:55.31 | Liquid_Ink | Wow. |
| 08:55.32 | Liquid_Ink | I have the power. |
| 09:28.06 | Tybusen | Good night folks |
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| 10:03.47 | Avillan | Hey. Just got back from the civ. universe restart blog Monet set up. |
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| 10:38.29 | AdmiralPanda | hi |
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| 13:00.07 | Wormy | Hi |
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| 13:45.02 | TheBuldier | Hello |
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| 14:28.49 | Wormy | Hi |
| 14:29.04 | Wormy | I'm writing about cyberpunk our lives are |
| 14:29.10 | Wormy | *how cyberpunk |
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| 14:30.22 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 15:08.58 | Catface | Wormy: I made some stuff about the ULE slave culture http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Lanat_Empire/Slave_Races |
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| 15:31.05 | Wormy | I'll check it out after I've written this |
| 15:37.36 | Wormy | Catface: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Nowpunk_-_How_close_are_we_to_living_in_a_cyberpunk_world.3F |
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| 15:44.30 | Cyrannian | Good evening fair maidens. |
| 15:44.53 | Catface | faints in Cyrannian's arms |
| 15:45.17 | Cyrannian | violently explodes, covering the entire world in darkness and despair |
| 15:46.01 | Wormy | Catface: Interesting to see a division |
| 15:46.53 | Catface | Cyrannian: I wrote some about the ULE slave culture and I wanna talk about that pew pew http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Lanat_Empire/Slave_Races |
| 15:47.10 | Wormy_away | In terms of subculture, cyberpunk exists quite strongly. But not in the mainstream |
| 15:47.24 | Wormy_away | Thats what I think |
| 15:47.41 | Cyrannian | I was just reading that page, I look forward to seeing what races have been enslaved |
| 15:54.56 | Wormy_away | I really want to turn my room into a cyberpunk room now lol |
| 15:55.24 | Wormy_away | Then again I do have wires trailing everywhere and it needs tidying |
| 15:55.35 | Wormy_away | So it looks almost there |
| 15:59.06 | Cyrannian | What do you think of the new wiki layout, Wormy? |
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| 16:29.49 | Wormy_away | Cyrannian: I'm sure you'll read this in the archive: i find the bigger text hard to get accustomed to |
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| 16:59.37 | OluapWorker | ~slap Cyrannian |
| 16:59.37 | infobot | ACTION slaps Cyrannian, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:00.24 | Cyrannian | ~lick OluapWorker |
| 17:00.24 | infobot | ACTION licks OluapWorker *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 17:09.00 | Wormy_away | <Wormy_away> Cyrannian: I'm sure you'll read this in the archive: i find the bigger text hard to get accustomed to |
| 17:10.16 | Cyrannian | It's a bit weird alright, though I do like the expanded width on the mainspace. |
| 17:12.42 | Wormy_away | Yeah |
| 17:13.00 | Wormy_away | I'm not against it |
| 17:13.31 | Cyrannian | Did you want to talk to me about Halcyon yesterday? |
| 17:14.06 | Wormy_away | With Tybusen |
| 17:14.24 | Wormy_away | I'll be going soon though |
| 17:14.34 | Wormy_away | for most of the week |
| 17:14.50 | Cyrannian | But Wormy, without you, I'll probably enslave people! |
| 17:23.31 | Wormy_away | enjoy |
| 17:27.31 | Wormy_away | That user who can't type, Wormyphone will be on later |
| 17:27.37 | Wormy_away | bbl |
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| 17:38.51 | Cyrannian | Hello |
| 17:39.06 | Xho | Well at least Cyrannian says hello |
| 17:39.13 | Xho | slaps OluapWorker |
| 17:39.34 | OluapWorker | noh |
| 17:39.36 | OluapWorker | I was afk |
| 17:39.37 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 17:39.45 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Orbispira#Security_and_Defense - read or fuk urself |
| 17:40.00 | OluapWorker | no u go fuk urself woman |
| 17:40.33 | Cyrannian | imma strong independent woman i dont need no man tellin me wat to do |
| 17:40.36 | Xho | I think I will stay out of the civ universe this time round |
| 17:41.48 | OluapWorker | I find this entire civ universe idea very annoying |
| 17:42.10 | Xho | If there's no Chaos Energy I want no part of it hur |
| 17:42.29 | OluapWorker | u |
| 17:43.00 | Xho | I don't stick my nose in places where I can't be overpowered |
| 17:43.52 | Xho | That is my life quote I think |
| 17:44.00 | Cyrannian | bbl |
| 17:44.24 | OluapWorker | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/654/446/cfd.jpg hao |
| 17:44.34 | Xho | olol |
| 17:46.16 | Xho | http://www.change.org/petitions/international-astronomical-union-to-rename-the-newly-discovered-planet-hd-106906-b-to-gallifrey-in-honour-of-doctor-who-and-its-50-years-gallifreyfound?share_id=yepTSLakGE&utm_campaign=share_button_mobile&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition For you Whovians |
| 17:47.16 | OluapWorker | Rename a planet for Doctor Who |
| 17:47.38 | OluapWorker | Well after I heard there are Mars rocks named "Dilbert" and "Dilbert's Boss", it's not impossible |
| 17:47.58 | Xho | dolbort |
| 17:48.57 | Xho | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1497765_628361890544338_1170513245_n.jpg So, Jesus and Colonel Sanders |
| 17:49.57 | OluapWorker | Heavenly chicken |
| 17:50.06 | Xho | KFC |
| 17:50.11 | Xho | Kentucky Fried Christ |
| 17:50.51 | OluapWorker | hu |
| 17:50.52 | OluapWorker | r |
| 17:53.11 | Xho | Right time to expand on Akharavzund |
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| 17:57.53 | Technobliterator | hii |
| 17:58.21 | Xho | u |
| 17:58.21 | Xho | brb |
| 17:59.04 | OluapWorker | losa |
| 18:03.11 | OluapWorker | http://i.imgur.com/IY2qnDE.gif woah |
| 18:03.37 | OluapWorker | Xho: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454684_654691091220639_1905966933_n.jpg |
| 18:03.56 | Xho | OluapWorker: yey |
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| 18:14.50 | Technobliterator | what the fuck |
| 18:14.52 | Technobliterator | seriously? |
| 18:15.06 | Technobliterator | "Saturday" is actually a thing |
| 18:15.07 | Technobliterator | oh wow |
| 18:16.08 | OluapWorker | Welcome to 2 or 3 days ago hur |
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| 18:26.48 | Hachi__ | Hai |
| 18:27.09 | OluapWorker | finally u |
| 18:27.15 | OluapWorker | I've been waiting fot you all day |
| 18:27.26 | OluapWorker | for* |
| 18:27.27 | Hachi__ | I've been at college |
| 18:27.55 | OluapWorker | fuk ur collj deres extra pages for SnK chapter 52 http://imgur.com/a/RXkmj |
| 18:31.56 | Hachi__ | noic |
| 18:32.48 | OluapWorker | That's a much smaller reaction than I expected |
| 18:33.58 | OluapWorker | Also you remember that chapter with the girl who looks like Ymir and meets a talking Titan? |
| 18:36.40 | OluapWorker | bah |
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| 18:58.00 | dino__ | hello |
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| 19:21.33 | dino__ | hello?? |
| 19:32.19 | dino__ | nobody is online |
| 19:32.24 | dino__ | and now I am talking ot my self!!! |
| 19:32.27 | dino__ | I am losing it :P |
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| 19:41.33 | Spu | diimit |
| 19:42.02 | OluapWorker | spu |
| 19:42.09 | OluapWorker | You've been ded for over an hour now |
| 19:42.14 | Spu | y no one tell me dat |
| 19:48.03 | Technobliterator | test |
| 19:48.09 | dino__ | Jo! |
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| 19:56.22 | Wormyphone | Hello |
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| 19:58.43 | OluapWorker | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/655/569/699.png Mu and Nu |
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| 19:58.59 | Monet | Hallo |
| 19:59.07 | OluapWorker | Roles depend of the situation |
| 19:59.08 | Wormyphone_ | hi |
| 19:59.08 | OluapWorker | hi |
| 19:59.36 | Spu | usually Mu then Nu |
| 20:00.35 | OluapWorker | It was Nu -> Mu back when Nu had no essence hur |
| 20:00.51 | Spu | hur |
| 20:01.08 | Spu | Nu - GIMME DA ESSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE Mu - lol no |
| 20:01.17 | Spu | Nu - I HAV DA ESSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE Mu - shi |
| 20:01.19 | OluapWorker | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/656/691/268.gif I can't stop giggling |
| 20:01.35 | Spu | dat dog |
| 20:01.37 | Spu | dat tiny dog |
| 20:02.42 | OluapWorker | http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Everyday..+Source+-+Watamote_6bdd0e_4760520.jpg this more or less describes my weekend completely |
| 20:03.27 | Monet | FunnyJunk is linking the actual picture? What dark magic is this! |
| 20:03.35 | Spu | My life pretty much except the anime and the playing games |
| 20:03.51 | OluapWorker | "I wasted an entire day" |
| 20:03.52 | OluapWorker | hoh |
| 20:03.55 | OluapWorker | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/656/552/5ca.gif listen here u little shit |
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| 20:04.41 | Spu | That's like Santorakh and Angazhar |
| 20:04.57 | Imperios | Salutations |
| 20:05.00 | Spu | Roles are interchangeable |
| 20:05.09 | OluapWorker | Angazhar was the bird during MA |
| 20:05.34 | Imperios | Which reminds me |
| 20:05.44 | Imperios | Is Santo still angry at Kolossus? |
| 20:06.04 | Spu | Angry isn't the correct word really |
| 20:06.18 | OluapWorker | Santo took Kolossus to eat some cheese |
| 20:06.37 | OluapWorker | Plot-twist, Kolossus is lactose intolerant |
| 20:06.52 | Spu | Santorakh - WHAT IS THIS BUGGERY |
| 20:06.53 | Imperios | Hur |
| 20:07.13 | OluapWorker | Angazhar - santo what the fuck are you doing Santorakh - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/656/054/344.gif |
| 20:07.13 | Imperios | Hm |
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| 20:07.21 | Imperios | What does Santo think of tofu cheese? |
| 20:07.28 | Wormyphone | hi |
| 20:07.37 | Monet | Looking at the quotes for Alcanti |
| 20:07.58 | Monet | Gelt contemplated turning it into a shrine world a long time ago. |
| 20:08.08 | Wormyphone | he thinks its disgusting and he would be right |
| 20:08.28 | Imperios | Am I the only person here who likes tofu? |
| 20:08.47 | Spu | Imperios: "Tofu cheese? TOFU CHEESE?! What in the name of the deepest depths of Tangent is that incomprehensibly gelatinous tasteless somewhat healthy mass of...whatever it is!? No!" - Santorakh |
| 20:08.48 | Imperios | Roast it, add some soy sauce and presto, the most delicious food ever made |
| 20:08.53 | Imperios | hur |
| 20:08.56 | Wormyphone | I like it in things |
| 20:09.28 | Monet | Roasted styrofoam drizzled in soy sauce, yum |
| 20:09.32 | OluapWorker | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/655/437/7ca Santo to Kolossus |
| 20:09.50 | Spu | olol |
| 20:09.56 | Wormyphone | llol |
| 20:10.01 | Spu | Kolossus tells Santorakh what to do -> Kolossus' anus will never be restored to its original size |
| 20:10.10 | Monet | I wonder how things would have gone if Gelt had decided to turn the Grand Cathedral into a Corrutus temple? |
| 20:10.24 | OluapWorker | Kolossus - i dunt hav an anus Santorakh - ONE MORE ITEM TO MY TO-DO LIST |
| 20:10.52 | Spu | Monet: They employ Nu to destroy the Drakon statue |
| 20:11.12 | Monet | Arsac already did that |
| 20:11.14 | OluapWorker | Nu just bursts through the wall once someone says "destroy" |
| 20:11.19 | Imperios | Monet: She'll spend her honeymoon with Arsac there |
| 20:11.39 | Wormyphone | Has anyone read my cyberpunk compsrison thingie |
| 20:11.43 | OluapWorker | With Malcaeums playing violin to them |
| 20:11.47 | Spu | Santorakh's to-do list: Something along the lines of "Eat cheese, Give Kolossus an extra orifice, Find out what exactly Volim is talking about sometimes, Give Billig new legs" |
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| 20:12.07 | OluapWorker | Second page "Make Billig eat new legs" |
| 20:12.12 | Spu | aye |
| 20:12.12 | Monet | That look like someone elses arms arms* |
| 20:12.15 | Wormyphone | hi |
| 20:12.19 | dino___ | back |
| 20:12.21 | dino___ | darn connection issues |
| 20:12.23 | OluapWorker | Kolossus' arms probably |
| 20:12.31 | Spu | Double aye |
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| 20:12.46 | Wormyphone | hi |
| 20:12.51 | Spu | "You know who my favourite artist is? Picasso!" *Splice* |
| 20:13.12 | OluapWorker | Kolossus is really the most punished antagonist I've ever made |
| 20:13.29 | OluapWorker | if i cant keel him imma make him suffer hur |
| 20:14.40 | Monet | Kordan - my lord why are sitting funny? | Kolossus - DON'T ASK! |
| 20:14.53 | Spu | Santorakh - ask him lol |
| 20:14.58 | OluapWorker | nasti |
| 20:15.49 | Spu | Santorakh's dinner table is just full of life |
| 20:15.51 | Spu | #not |
| 20:15.59 | OluapWorker | Dead life |
| 20:16.01 | OluapWorker | But still life |
| 20:16.11 | OluapWorker | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/654/644/2e6.gif Santorakh's early days |
| 20:16.12 | Imperios | Hm |
| 20:16.50 | Imperios | http://thecheesegoddess.blogspot.com |
| 20:17.25 | Spu | So now he has Moxix, Skhánaróton, Emperor Kitzangaven, Billig, Kolossus and a number of other dead/unfortunates |
| 20:17.31 | OluapWorker | "goddess" |
| 20:17.39 | OluapWorker | Santorakh - it was a midlife crisis |
| 20:17.47 | OluapWorker | And Volim |
| 20:17.53 | OluapWorker | hao u forget da most important one |
| 20:18.09 | OluapWorker | Anyway ded |
| 20:18.09 | Spu | And Volim |
| 20:18.46 | Wormyphone | test |
| 20:18.53 | Imperios | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_Cheese_Lords Santorakh's loyal servants |
| 20:19.43 | Spu | Sounds about right |
| 20:19.58 | Imperios | Anyway, speaking of mad gods |
| 20:20.07 | Imperios | I dunno what to do wirh Serani |
| 20:20.16 | Spu | Make her a Caligaduro servant hur |
| 20:20.38 | Spu | "Caligaduro wants you! To join the mad-as-fuck army" |
| 20:20.39 | Imperios | I mean with her personality |
| 20:20.53 | Imperios | Should she be more serious |
| 20:20.56 | Imperios | Like DR |
| 20:20.57 | Wormyphone | where is hachi |
| 20:21.07 | Spu | DR isn't exactly serious hur |
| 20:21.13 | Imperios | Or perhaps something like a Fantasyverse Santorakh |
| 20:22.03 | Wormyphone | test |
| 20:26.19 | Wormyphone | rest |
| 20:28.26 | Imperios | Like, crazy cat lady |
| 20:28.38 | Imperios | u c what I did thar |
| 20:29.34 | dino___ | tests? |
| 20:36.02 | Imperios | Damn u spu react |
| 20:36.13 | Spu | wat |
| 20:36.17 | Spu | Fantasyverse Santorakh |
| 20:36.22 | Spu | That runs the risk of being omnipotent though |
| 20:36.48 | Imperios | True |
| 20:37.08 | Wormyphone | dino connection testing |
| 20:42.21 | Wormyphone | test |
| 20:49.01 | Imperios | Spu: Still, would you prefer her serious or... cheesy? |
| 20:49.21 | Spu | I dunno |
| 20:49.24 | Spu | Serious probably |
| 21:17.18 | Monet | what to do what to do... |
| 21:17.43 | Monet | Hmm, havent's updated Pragon's Descent since forever |
| 21:17.44 | Monet | Paragon's* |
| 21:21.44 | Monet | On a different note, watching Frasier has reminded me of something I have neglected to mention exists in the Imperium. |
| 21:21.58 | Monet | Spas. How could I forget such places!? |
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| 21:27.58 | Monet | Okay I now need to envision what a DI spa would be like |
| 21:28.21 | Monet | This should be fun since i've never had any experience of a spa |
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| 21:48.38 | TekDroid | Wow... "Canada's Worst Driver Ever" really lived up to this name in the episode I just watched... |
| 21:50.16 | TekDroid | The guy was supposed to drive ~800m in a straight line at no more than 40km/h. |
| 21:53.00 | TekDroid | After hitting one of the car barriers at 60km/h and breaking off the mirror, he drove straight through a series of stacked rims and blew out a tire. |
| 21:53.24 | TekDroid | The worst part? He considered that a pass. |
| 21:54.05 | DrodoEmpire | hur |
| 21:54.59 | TekDroid | Wish I could find the video; it's ridiculous. |
| 21:56.02 | TekDroid | And all he had to do was to drive forwards in a straight line. |
| 21:56.06 | TekDroid | XD |
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| 22:48.47 | Wormyphone | hi |
| 22:50.17 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
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| 22:55.11 | Wormyphone | hi |
| 22:57.37 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 23:07.15 | Liquid_Ink | You is Mr_Xeelee |
| 23:13.17 | Mr_Xeelee | test |
| 23:14.53 | Mr_Xeelee | Don't you know that the Xeelee love you? |
| 23:16.08 | Lord_Xeelee | test |
| 23:16.33 | Liquid_Ink | The Xeelee love me? |
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| 23:18.32 | Liquid_Ink | [09:16] <Liquid_Ink> The Xeelee love me? |
| 23:18.53 | Monet | In their own special way |
| 23:19.10 | Liquid_Ink | Hey look! A Monet I didn't notice. |
| 23:19.47 | Lord_Xeelee | There is a personalised heaven built for you |
| 23:22.45 | Liquid_Ink | Yey |
| 23:28.54 | Lord_Xeelee | <PROTECTED> |
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