| 00:02.19 | GD12 | well in need to do hw |
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| 00:05.56 | Cruallassar | Greetings |
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| 00:10.11 | Cruallassar | Angrybirds , I thought I should let you know, due to popular opinion stating that 25 km battleships are more in the realm of tier 3 then tier 4, I am switching the tier of the Thervanas Imperium to fit. |
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| 00:10.34 | Angrybirds | 25 km ships are more like tier 2 o.o |
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| 00:10.48 | Angrybirds | What class of ship are these? |
| 00:11.00 | Cruallassar | Battleship/flagships |
| 00:11.08 | Cruallassar | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Thervanas_Imperium |
| 00:11.28 | Angrybirds | My tier two's battleships/flagships are 6km long max o.o |
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| 00:12.01 | Angrybirds | And they only have a few of those. |
| 00:12.11 | Cruallassar | Ok...I was kindof wondering how industrial capability has anything to do with tier... |
| 00:12.26 | Cruallassar | But I only have a few of these, according to what I have been making |
| 00:12.45 | Angrybirds | Higher technology = more productive infrastructure |
| 00:12.51 | Cruallassar | Ok |
| 00:13.41 | Cruallassar | I will be uploading sketches of all my ships, as soon as it says that I can save edits again, so you can see a bit more of the design |
| 00:13.46 | Angrybirds | But if you're going to make a fiction that powerful, you might as well not put them in the Katar Sector. Most flagships within the KS don't exceed two kilometers. |
| 00:13.59 | Angrybirds | And those are probably considered HUGE. |
| 00:14.06 | Cruallassar | Wow...my destroyers are 3 |
| 00:14.14 | Cruallassar | But that is tiny |
| 00:14.22 | Angrybirds | That's huge... |
| 00:14.26 | Cruallassar | Halcyon cruisers from Halo are longer then that |
| 00:14.27 | Hachi_ | 25km ships are way too large for a T4/T3 civilization |
| 00:14.46 | Hachi_ | Hell, Tier 2s rarely have that amount of firepower |
| 00:14.51 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:15.06 | Cruallassar | Ok...I will have to develop my empire first then |
| 00:15.14 | Hachi_ | And besides, having 25km long ships is seriously impractical |
| 00:15.20 | Cruallassar | My second largest ships are 8 km long |
| 00:15.27 | Cruallassar | Wait, why? |
| 00:15.37 | Hachi_ | Umm |
| 00:15.41 | Hachi_ | Do I need to explain |
| 00:15.42 | Angrybirds | You can't split it. |
| 00:15.53 | Angrybirds | And bigger ships = less surface area. |
| 00:16.11 | Angrybirds | less surface area = less weaponry |
| 00:16.20 | Cruallassar | How does bigger ships equal less surface area? |
| 00:16.42 | Cruallassar | Less surface area to mass ratio I get, although not with my design |
| 00:17.09 | Hachi_ | Most T2 civilizations tend to go for more compact, smaller designs in order to produce more of them with far more practical usage |
| 00:17.17 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:17.54 | Cruallassar | Most, and the battleships are supposed to be behemoth superweapons, basically |
| 00:18.03 | Cruallassar | Although not under the definition of superweapons |
| 00:18.21 | Cruallassar | And only a few of them, as in 5-8 |
| 00:18.28 | Hachi_ | Most T2 civilizations have behemoth superweapons below even 10km |
| 00:19.09 | Angrybirds | There are specialized classes, such a interdictors, missile ships, factory ships, etc -- and each army only has a few of them. If they're gargantuan and the army needs to split, then there will eventually come a time where you actually can't split that gargantuan behemoth down the middle when you could have just built eight out of the same materials and actually would have gotten a better result. |
| 00:20.20 | Hachi_ | There's also the fact you have a ship the size of a country floating about in space during a battle which might make it, oh I dunno, a seriously easy target |
| 00:20.23 | Angrybirds | That's something the Tyranny is suffering from right now -- an inability to spread their troops. They end up with tiny fleets of a few dozen ships that lack an interdictor or a point-defense ship, and they become incredibly vulnerable. |
| 00:20.25 | Hachi_ | And how do you even micromanage that |
| 00:21.48 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:22.37 | Angrybirds | It wouldn't be practical for orbital combat either, and require a LOT of energy to move. |
| 00:23.38 | Cruallassar | 1 sec...or a little more... |
| 00:23.46 | Angrybirds | Not to mention planetary combat. You -need- ships floating over the battlefield, asserting control over the air and relentlessly pounding the ground below. An 8km is too heavy to feasibly keep from falling. |
| 00:23.50 | Hachi_ | Besides, the typical industrial capacity of T4-T3 civilizations make the possibility of such large-scale vessels almost impossible, it'd take more than a decade to complete even half of one in just its foundations let alone all the complex systems that need to be divided between the entirety of it |
| 00:24.01 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:24.20 | Hachi_ | And why would you even NEED a ship that big anyway |
| 00:25.05 | Cruallassar | Ok, here is the answers to that |
| 00:25.16 | Cruallassar | Have any of you played homeworld? |
| 00:25.22 | Hachi_ | Yes |
| 00:25.32 | Cruallassar | That is a part of the purpose |
| 00:25.51 | Cruallassar | This thing is big enough to carry 2 3 km long destroyers in its bays |
| 00:25.59 | Cruallassar | Not to mention 5 wings of fighters |
| 00:26.04 | Hachi_ | But realistically |
| 00:26.12 | Hachi_ | For a T4-T3 civilization |
| 00:26.15 | Hachi_ | That wouldn't be the case |
| 00:26.21 | Cruallassar | That is a problem |
| 00:26.58 | Cruallassar | However, I can say right now, although it is huge, it is not that huge |
| 00:27.08 | Hachi_ | 25km sounds stupidly huge |
| 00:27.29 | Cruallassar | 25 km long, but there is a significant amount of empty space in that |
| 00:27.29 | Angrybirds | You could carry a 300 m long destroyer in a 2km long battlestar's bays if they were big enough, I think. |
| 00:27.51 | Cruallassar | Yes, but 300 m is not that large |
| 00:27.59 | Hachi_ | In practicality |
| 00:28.03 | Angrybirds | Destroyers aren't supposed to be very large. xD |
| 00:28.05 | Cruallassar | star destroyers are 1 km |
| 00:28.08 | Hachi_ | Larger ships = More resources to power it |
| 00:28.19 | Cruallassar | Granted |
| 00:28.22 | Angrybirds | Star Destroyers = capital ships |
| 00:28.28 | Cruallassar | Yes |
| 00:28.37 | Hachi_ | It would be VERY counter-productive to any civilization of that particular tier |
| 00:28.41 | Angrybirds | Destroyers = small ships, I think they may be the equivalent of frigates. |
| 00:28.49 | Cruallassar | How would it be counter productive? |
| 00:29.02 | Angrybirds | Really not worth the investment. |
| 00:29.05 | Hachi_ | Do you know how much energy it would need to consume to run the entirety of it? |
| 00:29.10 | Hachi_ | And what if it gets destroyed? |
| 00:29.19 | Hachi_ | How much waste would that be? |
| 00:29.34 | Cruallassar | Quite a bit |
| 00:29.45 | Cruallassar | However, consider the culture of my civilization |
| 00:29.48 | Angrybirds | And a fleet composed entirely of a small amount of huge ships would be incredibly easy to surround and destroy. |
| 00:30.01 | Hachi_ | There's the culture and then there's the realistic resources |
| 00:30.03 | Cruallassar | Wait, this is not a small amount of huge ships |
| 00:30.27 | Cruallassar | This is one huge ship, 3 slightly less huge ships, and a hundred much smaller ships |
| 00:30.30 | Angrybirds | Small compared to what a nation with similar resources would normally field. |
| 00:30.32 | Cruallassar | For one invasion fleet |
| 00:31.35 | Angrybirds | Etzan (GTE, tier 4.15) invaded Miperiors with 15,000 ships; the vast majority of them were under 1km. |
| 00:31.49 | Cruallassar | Oh... |
| 00:32.10 | Hachi_ | It would eat away at your resources and would probably need its own dedicated industrial sector built WITHIN it just to power it, meaning you'd need to dedicate an entire country's worth of crew just to maintain it and even then micromanaging both the major and minor details would be an incredibly difficult task |
| 00:32.25 | Cruallassar | Well, not entirely |
| 00:32.42 | Hachi_ | You'd be much more worth recycling those resources into more ships to reinforce what you have already |
| 00:32.56 | Hachi_ | Means less crew and more expendability |
| 00:32.58 | Angrybirds | There's also the issue of advancing technology. |
| 00:33.03 | Hachi_ | ^ |
| 00:33.06 | Angrybirds | You can't easily refit those behemoths. |
| 00:33.42 | Hachi_ | The largest ships of most Tier 2 civilizations aren't beyond 10km |
| 00:33.53 | Hachi_ | There are explicit reasons for this |
| 00:34.02 | Angrybirds | (mostly prestige) |
| 00:34.06 | Cruallassar | What are those reasons? |
| 00:34.14 | Hachi_ | Mostly to do with what I just said |
| 00:34.46 | Cruallassar | Power is not an issue for a tier 3+ civilization, according to the wiki page |
| 00:35.09 | Cruallassar | And a large chunk of my ships is as a carrier, basically |
| 00:35.14 | Angrybirds | On a large scale, maybe not. But when you need that to be portable... |
| 00:35.19 | Hachi_ | True but in all honesty there's just no need for it |
| 00:35.32 | Hachi_ | Practicality is key here |
| 00:35.34 | Angrybirds | You can't exactly take a dyson swarm with you. |
| 00:35.40 | Cruallassar | Dyson swarm? |
| 00:36.06 | Angrybirds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere#Dyson_swarm |
| 00:36.20 | Cruallassar | Ah |
| 00:36.23 | Cruallassar | True |
| 00:36.44 | Cruallassar | However, nothing says you can't take a whole lot of the energy your harvesting with you |
| 00:37.19 | Cruallassar | However I can see what you mean regarding industrial capability |
| 00:37.24 | Angrybirds | You're burning through that energy REALLY quickly. That's a WHOLE LOT of mass you're moving back and forth, from side to side, etc. |
| 00:37.34 | Hachi_ | How can you even distribute energy across that thing |
| 00:37.50 | Hachi_ | You'd need to have zero-point energy in order to keep it constantly powered |
| 00:37.52 | Cruallassar | Two power generators, one on either side |
| 00:38.05 | Hachi_ | And zero-point energy is impossible for T4s/T3s |
| 00:38.14 | Cruallassar | We have established that |
| 00:38.22 | Cruallassar | Ok, wait for a sec |
| 00:38.39 | Cruallassar | This is the design |
| 00:38.44 | Cruallassar | Envision a diamond on its side |
| 00:39.00 | Hachi_ | You're attempting to distribute energy that you're gonna run out of very quickly |
| 00:39.26 | Cruallassar | But I will be generating the energy very quickly as well |
| 00:39.42 | Hachi_ | You're going to be depleting that source very quickly |
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| 00:39.56 | Hachi_ | Hai GD |
| 00:40.00 | Cruallassar | That is a very large piece of the size |
| 00:40.05 | Cruallassar | Storage |
| 00:40.13 | GD12 | Hello |
| 00:40.15 | Angrybirds | GD, how well is the Tyranny doing with it's 25 km ships? |
| 00:40.17 | Wormy | hi |
| 00:40.20 | Cruallassar | Hello |
| 00:40.32 | Hachi_ | GD, explain to Cruallassar why it is very impractical for a T3-T4 civilization to even attempt to make 25km ships |
| 00:40.41 | GD12 | The Tyranny is tier 1 |
| 00:40.45 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:40.51 | GD12 | its ships are that big because the dont have minaturization |
| 00:40.52 | Cruallassar | I already said that yes, a tier 4-3 wouldn't be able to do it |
| 00:41.10 | GD12 | Even then, the bigger Tyranny ships get, the more unreliable they are |
| 00:41.15 | Hachi_ | And isn't your civilization a tier 4-3? |
| 00:41.21 | Cruallassar | yes |
| 00:41.36 | Cruallassar | Which is why I have already said that I will take these ships out until I advance |
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| 00:41.40 | GD12 | Furthermore, the Tyranny is purposely over the top to function as Attero DOminatus's main antagonists |
| 00:41.47 | Wormy | Internal gravity will become an increasing problem on ever larger ships. Its hard enough to get enough negative mass to counteract the positive mass of a ship. |
| 00:41.49 | GD12 | They're all dying at the end |
| 00:42.07 | GD12 | I don't think its good to have the Tyranny as a benchmark for a balanced fiction |
| 00:42.19 | Cruallassar | it isn't |
| 00:42.21 | Angrybirds | "Even then, the bigger Tyranny ships get, the more unreliable they are" - And they get easier and easier to destroy. *rams a remote controlled Aegis-class into the side of the Tiamat* |
| 00:42.33 | Wormy | In fact I imagine that unless negative energy is really easy to store, less advanced tiers will use tiny ships |
| 00:42.46 | GD12 | Bigger ships also have much more blind spots |
| 00:42.49 | Cruallassar | I did originally design this ship to be 15 km long |
| 00:43.07 | Angrybirds | Make everything else smaller as well. It'll work out. |
| 00:43.10 | GD12 | Also, ship size doesn't really come into play as much as you think it would in fiction |
| 00:43.17 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:43.30 | Wormy | Its also a trend |
| 00:43.30 | Cruallassar | I made this ship this big to hold all its weapons and whatnot |
| 00:43.34 | GD12 | The outcomes of battles are normally decided by tactics and force numbers as opposed to ship strength |
| 00:43.48 | Cruallassar | And ship strength does help |
| 00:43.50 | Wormy | Consider how the X-wing defeated the Death Star |
| 00:43.51 | GD12 | and technology |
| 00:44.05 | GD12 | But its tecnology, not ship size which is actually calculated most of the time |
| 00:44.14 | Cruallassar | Ok, there is no exhaust ports on this thing |
| 00:44.15 | Angrybirds | ^ If you look at Lightning War rps, nowhere is the size or weapons capacity of any ship ever mentioned. |
| 00:44.16 | Hachi_ | Cruallassar: Don't make the ship bigger, make the weapons smaller |
| 00:44.28 | Cruallassar | I will do that |
| 00:44.54 | GD12 | The size of Dominatus ships is intentionally meant to reflect their design philosophy and lack of minaturization |
| 00:45.10 | Angrybirds | And obsession with MORE DAKKA |
| 00:45.14 | GD12 | ^ |
| 00:45.18 | Cruallassar | ? |
| 00:45.30 | Cruallassar | idk what more dakka is |
| 00:45.31 | Hachi_ | Never enough DAKKA |
| 00:45.31 | GD12 | Which leads to them being less maneuverable and more or less sitting ducks |
| 00:45.33 | Angrybirds | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka |
| 00:45.38 | GD12 | ORKs - WAAGH |
| 00:46.04 | Cruallassar | And this ship is a sitting duck, but it is a very big and heavily armored sitting duck |
| 00:46.24 | Wormy | Not many DCP ships are very large. Though the DCP does have huge megastructures for industrial convenience, usially sitting next to large objects of great energy like stars |
| 00:46.25 | GD12 | Also big ships have less surface area for weaponry |
| 00:46.36 | GD12 | The most advanced DCP ships (Obsidian class) is 3km long |
| 00:46.49 | Cruallassar | Ok, you still have not explained how they have less surface area |
| 00:46.55 | GD12 | Alright |
| 00:46.58 | GD12 | Simple math really |
| 00:47.09 | GD12 | Say you have a cube with lengths of 2 meters |
| 00:47.21 | GD12 | The volume is 8 meters (2*2*2) |
| 00:47.38 | GD12 | The surface area is 24 meters (4*6) b/c 6 faces and each face has area 4 |
| 00:47.49 | GD12 | Now imagine you split that into two parts |
| 00:48.01 | GD12 | The volume is still 8 meters (2*2*1) +(2*2*1) |
| 00:48.20 | Cruallassar | Ok, wait, I do understand that now |
| 00:48.25 | GD12 | aye |
| 00:48.32 | Cruallassar | And it is completely null in this case |
| 00:48.33 | Cruallassar | Due to the design |
| 00:48.46 | GD12 | Why so? |
| 00:49.25 | Cruallassar | It is a diamond on its side, split into quarters lengthwise, with another smaller rectangle in the middle connecting them |
| 00:49.39 | GD12 | Still wrong |
| 00:49.48 | GD12 | The inside rectangles probably won't be able to fire outside |
| 00:49.52 | GD12 | inside faces |
| 00:50.21 | GD12 | Big ships are generally that big not to have one weapon but to have one massive weapon that stretches through the bow |
| 00:50.25 | Cruallassar | Those weapons are primarily for defense, plus two forward facing MagRail cannons |
| 00:50.27 | Wormy | I will say that there is a good reason why less advanced tiers, less proficient at generating negative energy, will find it more useful to use smaller vessels, that argument I support. Large ships need justifying to be acceptable really. |
| 00:50.53 | GD12 | Those point defense weapons then won't be able to defend the parts of the ship that are exposed (the outward facing diamond) |
| 00:51.15 | Angrybirds | My justification for the FPC's few Archangel-class battleships is prestige. xD They're kind of just showing off. |
| 00:51.16 | Cruallassar | I do have said justification, however I need to go for a small bit |
| 00:51.24 | Angrybirds | (6km) |
| 00:51.32 | Angrybirds | Before you go, |
| 00:52.09 | Cruallassar | yes? |
| 00:52.30 | Angrybirds | Cruallassar, you seem to be placing your fiction in a completely different technological league from Katar. You might as well put them in the main fiction universe. |
| 00:52.35 | Wormy | I like The Swarm in Star Trek, tiny vessels, but incredibly deadly |
| 00:53.20 | GD12 | hmm |
| 00:53.31 | GD12 | I thought the Imperium is katars tier 3-4 tech |
| 00:54.03 | Angrybirds | Extremely large ships are tier 2, and Katar is not tier 2. xD |
| 00:54.07 | Cruallassar | I am basing my ships on the protoss, Polaris from EV Nova, Hiigarans from Homeworld, and a few others |
| 00:54.13 | Angrybirds | Well, more than tier 2. |
| 00:54.28 | Cruallassar | And I will reduce the size of these ships, and take them out until I have advanced that far |
| 00:54.55 | Angrybirds | GD12 - 2km ships in Katar are considered HUGE, I think. |
| 00:55.14 | GD12 | Yes, especially in comparison to the rest of the empires |
| 00:55.25 | Cruallassar | I do have a lot less of them |
| 00:55.26 | GD12 | Heck, an ISD in star wars is only 1.6 km |
| 00:55.56 | Angrybirds | Cruallassar, then they'd be easily surrounded and destroyed. |
| 00:55.57 | Cruallassar | True, but a super star destroyer is a lot bigger |
| 00:56.10 | Cruallassar | And that is where fighters, frigates, and corvettes come in |
| 00:56.46 | TekDroid | The Emoire was Tier 1, so that's where your point is negated |
| 00:57.04 | GD12 | *Empire |
| 00:57.17 | Cruallassar | True, but the empire is T1 due to huge numbers, and energy estimates |
| 00:57.22 | Cruallassar | And superweapons |
| 00:57.26 | TekDroid | Not really. |
| 00:58.06 | Cruallassar | Plus some tech |
| 00:58.14 | GD12 | Tier is dictated by technology |
| 00:58.25 | TekDroid | ^ |
| 00:58.28 | Angrybirds | ^ |
| 00:58.41 | Hachi_ | Tier is also equally dictated by power sources |
| 00:58.43 | Wormy | The technology is dicated by energy, information, knowledge and resource distribution |
| 00:58.57 | Cruallassar | Having a blaster that is A: inconsistant and B: able to disentigrate half a person, is tech |
| 00:59.25 | Cruallassar | Define information, knowledge, and Resource distribution |
| 00:59.42 | TekDroid | Exactly how it sounds. |
| 00:59.48 | Wormy | Okay, imagine a three point diagram |
| 01:00.18 | Cruallassar | Knowledge is tech, so skip that |
| 01:00.23 | GD12 | Technology is dictated by the amount of things you know, the amount of resources you can expend for resources and a high probability of breakthroughs for opportunities |
| 01:00.23 | Wormy | Nope |
| 01:00.26 | GD12 | among other things |
| 01:00.35 | Cruallassar | It isn't? |
| 01:00.37 | TekDroid | Knowledge =/= technology |
| 01:00.42 | Wormy | Knowledge encompasses more than tech |
| 01:01.00 | Cruallassar | science? |
| 01:01.09 | Wormy | In fact one should not mix up the progress of scientific knowledge with the progress of tech |
| 01:01.13 | GD12 | Knowledge is the collective information gathered by the species |
| 01:01.15 | Cruallassar | ok |
| 01:01.32 | GD12 | Scientific knowledge is the subset of that knowledge which deals with science |
| 01:01.34 | Wormy | And knowledge goes beyond even science, even intelligence. Consider genetic knowledge |
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| 01:01.54 | Cruallassar | What does that mean? |
| 01:02.56 | GD12 | Let me try to simplify/generalize this |
| 01:02.59 | Cruallassar | please |
| 01:03.13 | GD12 | Knowledge = Facts and Information known through whatever medium and in whatever subject |
| 01:03.23 | Wormy | Knowledge can be considered a physical entity in many ways, in fact how genes are selected is not unlike how ideas are selected. |
| 01:03.24 | GD12 | Scientific Knowledge = Knowledge that is related to science |
| 01:03.33 | Cruallassar | So what is information specifically? |
| 01:03.48 | GD12 | Basically facts |
| 01:03.56 | GD12 | Technology = Applied Scientific Knowledge |
| 01:04.01 | Cruallassar | That seems to consist of a lot more |
| 01:04.03 | Wormy | True/False 0/1 in basic terms |
| 01:04.16 | GD12 | However, there is a MASSIVE difference in knowing something and being able to apply it |
| 01:04.31 | Cruallassar | So, does application of knowledge count? |
| 01:04.44 | GD12 | Application of Scientific Knowledge is kinda technology |
| 01:04.56 | Cruallassar | Pretty much |
| 01:05.03 | Cruallassar | but does it matter in tier? |
| 01:05.07 | GD12 | Yes |
| 01:05.13 | Wormy | I'd imagine that aliens living on a neutron star wiull have different chain of problems to solve on their "knowledge tree", so will develop tech differentely. This is what the tier scale is about, tech development |
| 01:05.20 | GD12 | ^ |
| 01:05.22 | Cruallassar | Ok |
| 01:05.26 | Cruallassar | That makes more sense |
| 01:05.30 | GD12 | Different tech trees or ways of progressing through tech trees |
| 01:05.43 | Cruallassar | I assume industrial capability is included as well? |
| 01:05.56 | GD12 | Thats indirectly coorelated |
| 01:06.00 | TekDroid | ^ |
| 01:06.23 | GD12 | Since industrial capacity is both a function of empire size and industrial technology |
| 01:06.34 | Wormy | Things like available problems an environment gives, including resource management (like negative energy for FTL drives) would be involved in development |
| 01:07.17 | Wormy | Higher tier civs have access to truly cosmic power sources |
| 01:07.28 | Angrybirds | dyson swarms! =D |
| 01:07.43 | Wormy | So can use technology a less advanced civ might know about, but would be unable to use |
| 01:08.26 | Cruallassar | Ok |
| 01:08.35 | Wormy | Hence, science and engineering use different fields of knowledge |
| 01:08.41 | Angrybirds | (ex: We know about dyson swarms, but don't have the technical know-how or industrial capacity to implement such a thing) |
| 01:09.09 | Angrybirds | (Well, we've theorized about dyson swarms) |
| 01:09.12 | TekDroid | Gtg |
| 01:09.17 | Cruallassar | So, I can measure my tier level on industrial level and industrial tech? |
| 01:09.32 | Wormy | Though I'm sure higher tech civs will know more scientific (or other) knowledge by virtue of their age |
| 01:09.49 | Cruallassar | Because my tech itself is adequite |
| 01:10.19 | Wormy | As GD12 might agree, if humans are really like "Universal Turing Machines" we should be able to understand any knowledge! |
| 01:10.31 | GD12 | ^ |
| 01:10.38 | Cruallassar | :) |
| 01:11.00 | GD12 | Thats not completely true though |
| 01:11.04 | GD12 | In theoretial computer science |
| 01:11.04 | Cruallassar | Granted |
| 01:11.15 | GD12 | and set theory |
| 01:11.15 | Wormy | Aye, there will always be uncertainty |
| 01:11.24 | Cruallassar | And things that we cannot comprehend |
| 01:11.33 | Cruallassar | Due to scale |
| 01:11.36 | Wormy | Thogh I doubt incompleteness really stymies the progress of knowledge |
| 01:11.38 | GD12 | theres a theorem which when applied means the amount of problems we can't even solve is greater than the amount of problem solving programs |
| 01:11.48 | GD12 | I mean for everyone everywhere |
| 01:11.57 | GD12 | but thats kind of irreleveant :p |
| 01:12.00 | Cruallassar | That is unsurprising |
| 01:12.34 | Cruallassar | Anyway, I will be scaling down, and taking out my giant ships until I have a higher tier |
| 01:12.35 | GD12 | Of course for all i know, tier 0s like the xhodocto could just give the finger to the concepts of decidability and complexity theory |
| 01:13.20 | Cruallassar | But I still need to go, so I will return later |
| 01:13.31 | Cruallassar | See ya for now. |
| 01:13.58 | Wormy | GD12: There's ways to circumvent it. |
| 01:14.12 | GD12 | Wormy : hao dis |
| 01:15.01 | Wormy | I'll get a pastie |
| 01:16.22 | Wormy | GD12: http://pastie.org/private/bu6o8jvmvijhgud5ftbyqa |
| 01:17.32 | GD12 | Noncomputable and nonmathematical things? |
| 01:17.34 | GD12 | NOOOOOOH |
| 01:18.55 | Wormy | Proof by induction http://pastie.org/private/3zlcdzmcywn2zfodosej5a |
| 01:19.29 | Wormy | Though David Deutsch points out that while Penrose is right that maths is real, and proof is seeking good explanations, intuition is false |
| 01:20.09 | GD12 | i c |
| 01:20.27 | GD12 | anyway gtg another interview |
| 01:22.34 | Wormy | bye |
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| 01:33.09 | Cruallassar | Ok, I have made some edits, now before I completely take out that entire series of ships and remake a new one, what do you think of those dimensions, keeping armament in mind, of them for tier 2 |
| 01:33.22 | Cruallassar | And tier 3 for the destroyer and frigate |
| 01:34.03 | TekDroid | You do realize a tier transition takes years, often at least decades. |
| 01:34.09 | Cruallassar | Yes |
| 01:34.26 | Cruallassar | I do however expect it to happen, therefore I will keep the designs ready |
| 01:35.16 | Cruallassar | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Thervanas_Imperium |
| 01:38.37 | TekDroid | You do realize I said decades, right? |
| 01:39.00 | Cruallassar | yes |
| 01:41.55 | Cruallassar | I plan on having the Imperium being on the edge of tier 3 so that the largest wait will be for tier 2 |
| 01:47.01 | TekDroid | It's not some sort of firm indicator. It's a system full of sub-stages and transitional periods, all of which are ofren vaguely defined. The changes are gradual, meaning your tech doesn't just jump overnight. |
| 01:48.02 | Cruallassar | I know |
| 01:48.16 | Cruallassar | Edge is not literal |
| 01:50.05 | TekDroid | What I'm trying to say is you don't just go from "Tier 3" ships to "Tier 2" ships. |
| 01:52.53 | Cruallassar | I know, I plan to gradually build the larger ships |
| 01:55.15 | TekDroid | But there wouldn't be a massive difference. |
| 01:57.13 | Cruallassar | One battleship and a few cruisers at a time |
| 01:57.57 | TekDroid | Look at what things were like 10 years ago. Then look at things now. We add a bit of artistic license for plot, but that's what you'd see change over an OOC year. |
| 02:02.08 | Cruallassar | I will need to take a look at that |
| 02:11.38 | Cruallassar | What is the opinion on the now reduced in size by half ships? |
| 02:11.51 | Cruallassar | Before I delete them all and begin my new line of smaller ships |
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| 02:19.24 | DrodoEmpire | Hey, everyone] |
| 02:19.37 | Cruallassar | Greetins |
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| 02:21.10 | DrodoEmpire | Hey! |
| 02:23.03 | TekDroid | Hey Drodo |
| 02:23.37 | DrodoEmpire | Hey. |
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| 02:55.21 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 02:55.36 | DrodoEmpire | Really? Nothing said for a whole 25 minutes? |
| 02:55.39 | DrodoEmpire | Wow. |
| 02:55.43 | TekDroid | Yep. |
| 02:56.13 | DrodoEmpire | Fuck, even one of Aeo's debates would be better than this. XD |
| 02:56.29 | TekDroid | Lol |
| 02:56.31 | DrodoEmpire | (Not a sign to start one, buddy.) |
| 02:56.36 | DrodoEmpire | (To Aeo) |
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| 03:12.53 | DrodoEmpire | hey |
| 03:27.45 | DrodoEmpire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94gvPDapvw - I don't understand what it is with this song... I should DESPISE it! Dumb lyrics, the fact its only really a third of the artist's song (or less), but... I don't know why, its just... Inexplicably good, catchy. XD |
| 03:28.38 | DrodoEmpire | Even though I hate Flo Rida and all the other crap that he sells as songs, its this one in particular. |
| 03:31.41 | DrodoEmpire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw - Same goes with this song. I'm really not a fan of Skrillex, and never will be, but this song in particular is alright; Even if there's parts I myself would change or improve. |
| 03:37.31 | Cruallassar | Question: What tier would the Hiigarans from Homeworld be? Because they have larger ships then most of the rest of the wiki, yet I would bet they could be defeated by the Protoss from Starcraft |
| 03:37.47 | DrodoEmpire | Hmm... |
| 03:37.54 | DrodoEmpire | Probably 3-ish, 4. |
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| 03:38.05 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 03:38.12 | Cruallassar | Hello |
| 03:38.29 | Patriot868 | hi |
| 03:38.34 | Cruallassar | That would go against what you said earlier. The Pride of Hiigara is determined to be around 27 km tall |
| 03:38.48 | Patriot868 | ~seen AdmiralPanda |
| 03:38.51 | infobot | admiralpanda <65a342bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.163.66.188> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 2d 13h 26m 34s ago, saying: 'since we're getting kinda close to starting and all'. |
| 03:39.45 | DrodoEmpire | There are examples of larger ships in less advanced civilizations; Each one is different. How many of the... I'll go with "motherships" (I haven't played much homeworld, I should. XD) are there? |
| 03:39.55 | DrodoEmpire | *each civ is different |
| 03:40.08 | DrodoEmpire | Like, if these things are mass-produced, |
| 03:40.22 | DrodoEmpire | then the production capacity alone would rank them at three, easily. |
| 03:40.22 | Cruallassar | There are a few motherships, |
| 03:41.15 | DrodoEmpire | I'd say low-mid three, depending on other factors; Such as weapons, defence, medicine, computers, industrial capacity, etc. |
| 03:41.21 | Cruallassar | The closest they came to mass production was smaller ones used primarily for mining, although one self converted to combat, built by the original and vastly upgraded mothership, and the Pride of Hiigara one |
| 03:41.44 | Cruallassar | The most advanced tech they have in weapons are the Ion cannons |
| 03:41.57 | Cruallassar | They have advanced cybernetics and assumably medicine |
| 03:42.09 | Cruallassar | Computers...unknown |
| 03:42.15 | Cruallassar | Industrial capacity, huge |
| 03:42.29 | DrodoEmpire | How huge? |
| 03:42.47 | DrodoEmpire | Can-build-a-death star-huge? |
| 03:43.02 | DrodoEmpire | Or can build a large fleet in short order huge? |
| 03:43.13 | DrodoEmpire | Big difference |
| 03:43.15 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 03:43.44 | Patriot868 | ya |
| 03:45.20 | DrodoEmpire | One question, does anyone else use the expression "fill your boots"? |
| 03:45.23 | DrodoEmpire | XD |
| 03:45.52 | DrodoEmpire | Or "go fill your boots". |
| 03:47.44 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:53.03 | DrodoEmpire | test |
| 03:53.11 | DrodoEmpire | Huh. No one, I guess. XD |
| 03:53.31 | DrodoEmpire | Means "go ahead", anyway. |
| 03:54.55 | Patriot868 | ello |
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| 04:42.54 | GD12 | Hello |
| 04:43.34 | DrodoEmpire | Hey |
| 04:47.28 | GD12 | ngh i need to go back to doing work |
| 05:19.22 | DrodoEmpire | test |
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| 11:03.12 | AdmiralPanda | hello |
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| 11:13.08 | TheBuldier | Hello |
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| 11:42.25 | TheBuldier | Hi |
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| 11:48.30 | Jepardi | Hi |
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| 12:15.19 | Hachi_ | Hai |
| 12:16.00 | AdmiralPanda | hai buni |
| 12:16.14 | AdmiralPanda | currently playing a little Gmod with friends but then I will be around |
| 12:20.07 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 12:22.42 | Liquid_Ink | Have either of you got any good ideas for Ottoman spaceship designs? |
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| 12:38.14 | TheBuldier | Hello |
| 12:38.20 | Cruallassar | Greetings |
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| 12:41.38 | Liquid_Ink | Have any of you got any good ideas for Ottoman spaceship designs? |
| 12:49.02 | TheBuldier | A lot of dark blood red |
| 12:49.13 | Liquid_Ink | Noted |
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| 13:02.02 | Imperios | Back |
| 13:02.04 | Imperios | Hi |
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| 13:03.58 | AdmiralPanda | hi imp |
| 13:04.09 | Cyrannian | Hello! |
| 13:06.53 | Hachi_ | Hi Cyr |
| 13:06.59 | Hachi_ | Hi Imp |
| 13:10.09 | Imperios | Hi Cyra |
| 13:10.20 | Hachi_ | I find it amusing that one of the achievements in ACIII is "Heroes are Born", yet in ACIV there's an achievement called "Heroes aren't Born" |
| 13:10.59 | Imperios | Assassins can't decide hur |
| 13:11.05 | AdmiralPanda | I was incredibly disappointed by the ACI achieve "Eagle's Dance" |
| 13:11.09 | AdmiralPanda | I thought I missed a dancing minigame |
| 13:12.06 | Hachi_ | hur |
| 13:12.48 | Hachi_ | As much as people criticize |
| 13:12.49 | Hachi_ | I like the feel of ACIII but I feel it takes too much time getting to the good part of the story |
| 13:12.52 | Hachi_ | And I definitely like the look of ACIV hur |
| 13:13.38 | AdmiralPanda | I'm still just sad that they chose pirates over ninjas |
| 13:13.49 | AdmiralPanda | we could have had an AC game focused on actual stealth |
| 13:14.08 | Hachi_ | hur |
| 13:14.12 | Hachi_ | Well |
| 13:14.18 | Hachi_ | You still have Tenchu for that |
| 13:15.23 | AdmiralPanda | that and Theif |
| 13:15.26 | AdmiralPanda | Thief* |
| 13:15.34 | Imperios | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.45 | Imperios | ACIII is about pirates? |
| 13:16.23 | Hachi_ | ACIV |
| 13:24.11 | Imperios | Yarrr |
| 13:24.34 | Imperios | This be a fine game then matey |
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| 13:52.51 | Wormy | Hello |
| 13:55.22 | Imperios | hi |
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| 14:07.47 | Hachi_ | hai u |
| 14:08.27 | OluapPlayer | hai dum |
| 14:10.13 | Wormy | Typical google, I type "Closer to the truth", a site series of vids about profound physics and philosophy, and get some dumb album chart |
| 14:15.27 | OluapPlayer | Hachi_: http://i.imgur.com/idU8MjM.jpg new Smash bros stage. hot dam |
| 14:20.04 | Hachi_ | Geezush |
| 14:20.27 | OluapPlayer | http://i.imgur.com/EMRbtkw.jpg "Here's what happens when you stand by the edges. Vertical jumps and getting hit upward will shoot you up diagonally." |
| 14:20.40 | Cyrannian | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dark_Times/Year_Three#The_Phaedra - c |
| 14:21.31 | OluapPlayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.57 | Cyrannian | refreesh den you stoopid poop |
| 14:23.01 | OluapPlayer | A witch lady |
| 14:23.18 | OluapPlayer | How is she already wearing Apocalyptan armor? |
| 14:24.10 | Cyrannian | Antediluvian met with the witches and gave them a touch of his power at some point in the pas.t |
| 14:24.31 | OluapPlayer | rite |
| 14:28.08 | OluapPlayer | brb |
| 14:30.43 | Imperios | Cyrannian: Antediluvian has fangirls now hur |
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| 14:35.56 | Wormy | dum connection |
| 14:38.18 | Imperios | Also, I like these little touches that describe Ant |
| 14:38.34 | Imperios | Like when he killed the witches |
| 14:39.14 | Imperios | You should give Primey more limelight, right now his morality and stance is ambiguous |
| 14:39.40 | Imperios | *more limelight as well |
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| 14:45.29 | OluapPlayer | Hachi_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42HZ36mRGao you can create some wierd shit in this game |
| 14:45.34 | OluapPlayer | Also dat pun |
| 14:49.18 | Hachi_ | ohgodwot |
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| 15:17.35 | Imperios | Wormy and Hachi_: How do you pronounce "Cheviot"? |
| 15:18.12 | Wormy | i say ch-ev rather than sh-ev |
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| 15:28.33 | AdmiralPanda | Aeo Angrydroid Hachi_ Imperios http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Spriggs077/Sporewiki_Dungeons_and_Dragons check the most recent post |
| 15:28.36 | AdmiralPanda | and now I go |
| 15:29.35 | OluapPlayer | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/642/160/d2e.jpg Oh god lol |
| 15:30.48 | Hachi_ | ohgodlol |
| 15:34.18 | OluapPlayer | brb |
| 15:42.21 | Wormy | Looks like I might have to lose internet for a few weeks |
| 15:43.17 | Wormy | My uni has messed up my student finances by not confirming my year, its gonna take weeks and none of the rest of my family care about paying for the internet |
| 15:44.38 | Wormy | These systems, they never work |
| 15:45.22 | Wormy | Damnit I need software too and a computer than can run them |
| 15:49.06 | Hachi_ | yey I gotta ship in ACIII |
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| 15:53.02 | Wormy | Everything is so slow on IRC today lol |
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| 16:15.56 | OluapPlayer | back |
| 16:21.09 | OluapPlayer | Hmm I got an idea for a picture |
| 16:21.49 | Hachi_ | Oh? |
| 16:22.35 | OluapPlayer | SporeWiki chars with a Pokeyman that fits them |
| 16:24.22 | Hachi_ | Ooh nice |
| 16:24.40 | OluapPlayer | Feel free to suggest |
| 16:26.04 | Hachi_ | Hachi is Buneary hur |
| 16:26.34 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 16:27.07 | OluapPlayer | I've not decided which chars yet though |
| 16:27.13 | OluapPlayer | All I got so far is Anteddy = Malamar |
| 16:27.43 | OluapPlayer | "It wields the most compelling hypnotic powers of any Pokémon, and it forces others to do whatever it wants." |
| 16:27.47 | OluapPlayer | Fits him like a glove |
| 16:29.25 | OluapPlayer | Also Tyraz = Houndoom |
| 16:30.52 | Hachi_ | yus |
| 16:31.39 | OluapPlayer | Fire, dark, looks evil but isn't necessarily evil, very protective for those he cares for |
| 16:33.17 | Hachi_ | Also has a Mega form hur |
| 16:34.17 | OluapPlayer | Oh yeha true |
| 16:40.02 | OluapPlayer | This picture isn't looking good at all |
| 16:40.07 | OluapPlayer | I'll just put links on a page |
| 16:45.50 | Imperios | Mewtwo Kagu'sai |
| 16:46.05 | OluapPlayer | I don't see the connection |
| 16:46.33 | Imperios | Both cats |
| 16:47.16 | Hachi_ | Meowth Kagu'sai |
| 16:47.18 | Hachi_ | If you're going by that |
| 16:47.24 | OluapPlayer | I'm not going for physical appearence |
| 16:47.29 | OluapPlayer | I'm going for personality |
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| 17:03.50 | Imperios_ | Hi |
| 17:03.52 | Imperios_ | OluapPlayer: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/131/6/d/animated_dancing_gardevoir_by_goldenkitsune_queen-d3g55ov.gif |
| 17:04.07 | OluapPlayer | hur |
| 17:04.31 | Imperios_ | http://tinyurl.com/m6vhro5 |
| 17:04.49 | OluapPlayer | Predictable |
| 17:45.25 | Wormy_away | Impress Her With Nanodiamonds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzOkuGQC3Rw |
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| 17:58.41 | Technobliterator | hii |
| 18:01.09 | Wormy | hello |
| 18:03.52 | Imperios_ | Hi |
| 18:05.26 | Hachi_ | dumba |
| 18:06.53 | Technobliterator | stfu u no oluap |
| 18:07.02 | OluapPlayer | dumba |
| 18:07.53 | Technobliterator | ya dad |
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| 18:13.18 | dino_ | heeeeeeeellllooooooooooooooooooooooooooowz |
| 18:13.20 | dino_ | how is all diong :D |
| 18:13.31 | Wormy | This looks good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNce_8WHTGc |
| 18:13.33 | Wormy | Hi |
| 18:13.38 | Wormy | Not too well |
| 18:13.49 | OluapPlayer | I got a flu |
| 18:14.33 | dino_ | @Wormy: Oh? |
| 18:15.04 | dino_ | @iluap"Oh the flu, then you need someone to take good care of you, make a nice chickensoup and watching tv under a warm blanket |
| 18:15.24 | dino_ | @Wormy: Now that looks interessitng, saturns rings! |
| 18:15.40 | Technobliterator | flu is horrible |
| 18:17.12 | Wormy | I kind of want to play the game Destiny |
| 18:18.29 | dino_ | @Jo: indeed, flu is not good |
| 18:39.25 | Hachi_ | I'd wrap Oluap up in a blanket |
| 18:39.26 | Hachi_ | And feed him chicken soup |
| 18:39.27 | OluapPlayer | Not sure if cute or creepy |
| 18:39.40 | dino_ | @Oluap: Lol |
| 18:39.41 | dino_ | @Wormy/: Why not to well? |
| 18:45.52 | Wormy | test |
| 18:53.04 | Wormy | Hachi_ What would Hachiman do with a time machine? |
| 18:54.30 | Hachi_ | Hmm |
| 18:54.37 | Imperios_ | Whatever he is going to do |
| 18:54.43 | Imperios_ | He won't get laid in any timeline |
| 18:54.53 | Hachi_ | hur |
| 18:55.44 | Wormy | lol |
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| 18:56.26 | Wormy | With Kilnok, its not that girls don't go after him, but he is so busy he never finds the time for a relationship. |
| 19:01.12 | Imperios_ | Quendor is too single-minded to get a girl |
| 19:02.04 | Imperios_ | My fantasyverse fiction is going to be more... romantic dunno |
| 19:02.14 | Imperios_ | I mean there will be more romance and such |
| 19:02.46 | Wormy | Perhaps Kilnok, Hachi and Quendor take a quest to a club on a bachelors night out |
| 19:04.46 | Wormy | Hachi gets ID'd of course |
| 19:06.55 | Hachi_ | olol |
| 19:07.29 | OluapPlayer | Hachi goes foward in time and tries to date an old version of himself -> dumped |
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| 19:08.08 | Wormy | Sods law - no closed timelike romance 4 u |
| 19:09.53 | Imperios_ | Wormy: Hm |
| 19:10.03 | Imperios_ | What do the Islanders think of the Empire of Man? |
| 19:10.36 | Wormy | I don't think they know much outside their own walls, they are a very snobby people. |
| 19:11.05 | Imperios_ | Hm |
| 19:11.43 | Wormy | Thewir city architecture looks like the Earth Nation, and ships look like the Fire Nation from Avatar Airbender |
| 19:11.50 | Imperios_ | That's why I asked, I'm thinking |
| 19:12.24 | Wormy | I will eventually, make a story-quest about them |
| 19:12.28 | Imperios_ | Could one of my characters pretend to be an Islander (as in, her human form should look like one) |
| 19:12.36 | Wormy | Yeah |
| 19:13.00 | Imperios_ | Gud |
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| 19:14.13 | Wormy | Despite their snobbyness, I don't think they realise how much their isolationism actually hurts them |
| 19:14.22 | Imperios_ | Well duh |
| 19:14.30 | Imperios_ | Isolationism never helped a nation |
| 19:14.49 | Hachi_ | Lagosi - oi |
| 19:15.03 | Wormy | It helped the Romulans, though they use stealth for covert spying. |
| 19:15.25 | Wormy | Well, until the Hobus Supernova that changed everything |
| 19:15.30 | Imperios_ | I dunno really what should Serani's humanoid form be |
| 19:15.50 | OluapPlayer | Lympharians - c hao gud dat done u |
| 19:15.52 | Imperios_ | An elf? A half-elf? An EoM human? An Islander human? |
| 19:16.09 | Hachi_ | Why not multiple human forms? |
| 19:16.15 | Imperios_ | True |
| 19:16.16 | Hachi_ | One for each allegiance |
| 19:16.24 | Hachi_ | Or multiple, dunno |
| 19:16.28 | Imperios_ | She has a slight Japanese vibe and well, turning into a Lagosi isn't her style |
| 19:16.35 | Imperios_ | I mean |
| 19:16.40 | Imperios_ | A tiger turning into a rabbit |
| 19:17.07 | Imperios_ | Well, not Japanese as much as simply East Asian |
| 19:17.12 | Imperios_ | ...yes Hachi |
| 19:17.18 | Imperios_ | You actually turned me weeaboo somehow |
| 19:17.48 | Imperios_ | Well it's not only Japanese culture, I've gained an interest in East Asia in general |
| 19:18.00 | OluapPlayer | Being interested in Japan isn't being a weeaboo |
| 19:18.08 | OluapPlayer | Being a weeaboo is thinking Japan > the rest of the world |
| 19:18.38 | Imperios_ | Well I dunno |
| 19:18.54 | Imperios_ | I have just gained an interest in Oriental cultures |
| 19:18.56 | Imperios_ | dunno why |
| 19:19.45 | Imperios_ | Hachi hachified me |
| 19:19.57 | Wormy | Wait. I never saw Legend of Korra but why all the yucky 20th century level tech? I like the magitech feel of the Airbender series http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Technology_in_the_World_of_Avatar#Air_Nomads |
| 19:20.20 | Imperios_ | Wormy: Play GW2, it breathes Magitech hur |
| 19:20.53 | Hachi_ | Wormy: Legend of Korra takes place roughly round a century after Avatar |
| 19:21.00 | Hachi_ | And all the nations are pretty much united |
| 19:21.13 | OluapPlayer | Avatar was a really good show |
| 19:21.19 | OluapPlayer | I've never watched Legend of Korra though |
| 19:21.45 | Hachi_ | And even then, bending still has a large part in the society of the United Republic, like firebenders being employed to generate electricity through lightning |
| 19:22.09 | Imperios_ | It all started with Hachi, then with that otaku girl, then with that K-Pop girl |
| 19:22.35 | OluapPlayer | Hachi_: Remember that guy I mentioned who made an army of Ralts trying to get a shiny? |
| 19:23.27 | Hachi_ | Jah |
| 19:23.42 | OluapPlayer | I just stumbled into this conversation started by him |
| 19:24.02 | OluapPlayer | "I wish the Global Link didn't record taking eggs from the Day Care. Last time I went to go get a shot of my E4 team it took me half an hour to scroll all the way down to it because I had to get past my Ralts MMing." |
| 19:24.04 | OluapPlayer | "Obviously this is a deep metaphor for not letting personal achievements, like the glory of battle, get in the way of the more important things, like taking care of your children. Your 900 newly hatched, psychic, alien children." |
| 19:24.11 | OluapPlayer | "Let's not call them my children. Otherwise it gets weird when I wonder trade them. " |
| 19:24.37 | Hachi_ | olol |
| 19:25.15 | dino_ | oh going to watch fifth element |
| 19:25.21 | dino_ | will be sometimes on the irc |
| 19:25.25 | dino_ | so might take a while to respond |
| 19:27.29 | Wormy | Fifth Element is great |
| 19:28.19 | OluapPlayer | I imagined this happening in the fictionverse |
| 19:28.54 | OluapPlayer | And it's absolutely sickening |
| 19:29.12 | dino_ | idd |
| 19:29.13 | dino_ | now that would be cool |
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| 19:33.19 | Technobliterator | I wasn't sure what I thought of Avatar |
| 19:33.24 | Technobliterator | I liked it and didn't at the same time |
| 19:34.16 | Hachi_ | Holy shit |
| 19:34.16 | Hachi_ | In ACIII this French guy got his stuff stolen by Redcoats |
| 19:34.17 | Hachi_ | Now he's just on a rampage with a fucking butcher's knife |
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| 20:07.17 | TheBuldier | Hello |
| 20:19.40 | OluapPlayer | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:OluapPlayer/Sandbox#Wiki_Chars_and_their_Signature_Pok.C3.A9mon I forgot to post a link to this |
| 20:19.45 | OluapPlayer | c ur chars got pokmens |
| 20:20.29 | Technobliterator | dum none of mine did |
| 20:20.51 | OluapPlayer | cus no one likes u |
| 20:20.59 | Technobliterator | no one lieks ya dad |
| 20:22.10 | Technobliterator | if I owned a nintendo console, I'd try pokemon |
| 20:22.15 | Technobliterator | is it anything like a JRPG? |
| 20:22.24 | OluapPlayer | JRPG? |
| 20:22.29 | Technobliterator | Japanese-RPH |
| 20:22.31 | Technobliterator | RPG* |
| 20:22.41 | OluapPlayer | Well it's an RPG made in Japan |
| 20:22.44 | OluapPlayer | So I guess so hur |
| 20:23.18 | Technobliterator | see that's true, though I'm not sure how much it's like a traditional JRPG, which is like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest etc |
| 20:23.34 | Technobliterator | but oh well, no nintendo consoles means no pokemon for me |
| 20:23.47 | OluapPlayer | Well in battle you take turns to do your actions and everything has stats |
| 20:23.50 | OluapPlayer | It's as RPG as you can get |
| 20:24.05 | OluapPlayer | Also you can just play games on an emulator |
| 20:24.37 | Technobliterator | the "take turns to do your actions" is probably definitive on jrpg |
| 20:24.48 | Technobliterator | I can, depending on whether it's worth the effort or not |
| 20:24.56 | Technobliterator | I already failed to get WC3 working hur |
| 20:25.23 | OluapPlayer | It literally requires zero effort |
| 20:25.32 | OluapPlayer | Download emulator -> download rom -> play game |
| 20:25.43 | Technobliterator | oh...hm |
| 20:26.11 | OluapPlayer | Hachi_: http://www.pokemonxy.com/pt-pt/pokemon/mega_pokemon/#Mewtwo Megatwo Y's pic is replaced by Mew in here |
| 20:26.30 | OluapPlayer | Either someone dun goofd or something involving Mew is coming |
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| 20:27.03 | Imperios_ | OluapPlayer: Iovera iz cat |
| 20:27.09 | TheBuldier | Hi |
| 20:27.11 | OluapPlayer | Yes |
| 20:27.38 | OluapPlayer | Psychic child who is forced to restrain its power because it's too powerful and is a danger to everyone around it |
| 20:27.42 | OluapPlayer | Fits nicely |
| 20:28.02 | OluapPlayer | Also is usually emotionless unless with someone dear to it |
| 20:29.10 | TheBuldier | It sounds like Raven of Teen Titans once you think about it |
| 20:29.27 | Imperios_ | Yes |
| 20:29.28 | Imperios_ | Sounds like Iovera |
| 20:29.29 | Hachi_ | olol Santokarp |
| 20:29.40 | Hachi_ | And Espurrvea |
| 20:29.47 | Hachi_ | Espurrvera* |
| 20:30.15 | OluapPlayer | Iovera - *war flashbacks* |
| 20:31.00 | OluapPlayer | Hachi is Goodra because 1) he's a super friendly critter 2) he is going from very weak to very powerful 3) he's always covered in goo-like substance |
| 20:31.16 | OluapPlayer | If you know what's I'm saying |
| 20:31.47 | Hachi_ | ohgodlol |
| 20:33.40 | OluapPlayer | Billig would be probably be Swalot |
| 20:33.51 | OluapPlayer | Big, fat blob who eats a lot and is harmful to touch |
| 20:33.59 | Technobliterator | Seems about right |
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| 20:34.29 | OluapPlayer | http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/ad/317Swalot.png ur char is dis |
| 20:34.40 | OluapPlayer | And it's a pretty weak pokemon too hur |
| 20:34.42 | TheBuldier | Hi |
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| 20:35.57 | Technobliterator | propa propa dum |
| 20:37.00 | Imperios | TheBuilder: Can we have a sentient elemental faction? We had them in planning before you did |
| 20:37.14 | Imperios | We as in me and Technobliterator |
| 20:37.15 | Imperios | Mostly her |
| 20:37.50 | Technobliterator | what are we calling those btw |
| 20:38.26 | Imperios | You proposed Ethereals |
| 20:38.42 | OluapPlayer | The Dum Legion |
| 20:39.16 | Imperios | The Makers of Sandwiches |
| 20:39.26 | Technobliterator | ~slap OluapPlayer |
| 20:39.26 | infobot | ACTION slaps OluapPlayer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:39.29 | Technobliterator | ethereals is gud |
| 20:39.32 | Technobliterator | ~slap Imperios |
| 20:39.32 | infobot | ACTION slaps Imperios, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:39.37 | Technobliterator | sandwich makers is not |
| 20:39.42 | OluapPlayer | hao dare u |
| 20:40.00 | Technobliterator | stfu go play ffvii u dum |
| 20:40.05 | OluapPlayer | ohohohoho NU |
| 20:40.12 | OluapPlayer | go play pokemns |
| 20:40.19 | Technobliterator | not til u play ff |
| 20:40.25 | OluapPlayer | ur loss |
| 20:40.36 | Technobliterator | ur loss bigga ffvii best gaem eva |
| 20:42.02 | TheBuldier | Imperios: Yes, what is your idea |
| 20:42.16 | Imperios | You'll srr |
| 20:42.17 | Imperios | see |
| 20:42.22 | TheBuldier | Ok |
| 20:42.49 | Technobliterator | Imperios: Is there a chance we can rp a section or something? |
| 20:43.06 | Technobliterator | I'm waiting for a game to download& don't want to play FFVII or something while it is |
| 20:47.08 | Imperios | Technobliterator: Hm |
| 20:47.29 | Imperios | You know it's possible, but we need a concise plan first |
| 20:48.14 | TheBuldier | Imperios: Could Koldenwelt have something like the Inner/Elemental Planes? So we don't mix the origin of the Colossi with the origin of the Elementals |
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| 20:48.44 | Imperios | It's possible, in fact wr could elaborate on that in WLLM |
| 20:52.25 | TheBuldier | WLLM? |
| 20:53.50 | Technobliterator | yeah |
| 20:54.27 | TheBuldier | What is WLLM? |
| 21:00.00 | Technobliterator | where ley lines meet |
| 21:00.06 | Technobliterator | it's our story for the fantasyverse |
| 21:00.10 | Technobliterator | which we plan to be the main story |
| 21:01.23 | TheBuldier | Oh, right |
| 21:37.30 | Hachi_ | Safe to say this day's been abnormally slow |
| 21:37.37 | OluapPlayer | Yus |
| 21:40.56 | Hachi_ | So to make up for that, I'm gonna rant hur |
| 21:40.57 | Hachi_ | That deadmonkey guy is beginning to annoy me |
| 21:41.22 | OluapPlayer | I don't see the point of what he's doing |
| 21:41.30 | OluapPlayer | But he's not erally doing anything wrong |
| 21:41.43 | Hachi_ | He does nothing but flood and spam the recent changes with stub-worthy pages |
| 21:42.01 | Hachi_ | Oh and create useless taxa |
| 21:46.47 | Technobliterator | wooo |
| 21:46.51 | Technobliterator | new R&C is MINE |
| 21:47.36 | dino_ | oh have to go |
| 21:47.37 | dino_ | bye alls |
| 21:47.41 | dino_ | till next time :D |
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| 21:57.29 | AKtheKing | hello |
| 21:58.24 | AKtheKing | brb |
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| 22:48.11 | TekDroid | ~test |
| 22:48.11 | infobot | methinks test is not funny |
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| 23:27.53 | Liquid_Ink | Anybody alive? |
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| 23:56.05 | Wormy | hi |
| 23:56.07 | GD12 | Hello |
| 23:56.27 | GD12 | Whos this Deadmonkey8984 dude |
| 23:56.34 | GD12 | All i see is him editing pages |
| 23:57.01 | Wormy | Don't know any more than you |
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| 23:59.50 | GD12 | has a joke for Hachi_ |
| 23:59.52 | GD12 | Want ot hear it? |
