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00:10.28LawfulInsaneWhy does the infobot have a mind of its own?
00:15.27Wormy_Ask her
00:17.32LawfulInsaneWhatever, I'm gonna read the Borealis War.
00:17.55OfficerJackal~test
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00:17.57Wormy_bye
00:18.03OfficerJackalWoops
00:23.00TekDroid~Aeo
00:23.01infoboti heard aeo is a shrew
00:23.28LawfulInsanengh
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00:28.46LawfulInsaneHi
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00:39.15LawfulInsanewut
00:41.18MonetA moth has landed on my screen
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00:41.46LawfulInsaneMonet: So?
00:41.52Hachi_It's a moth
00:41.56Hachi_Grab shoe, slay evil
00:42.12MonetI thought it was cute
00:42.45Hachi_Catepillars are cute, moths have skulls for faces
00:43.33Hachi_Actually scratch that. Catepillars are bloody adorable.
00:45.33MonetMoths are lovely and fluffy http://www.aphotofauna.com/images/moths/moth_macrothylacia_rubi_fox_head_close-up_30-06-10.jpg
00:46.37OfficerJackal<3
00:46.49OfficerJackalDaww. :3
00:46.58Hachi_Remember the Migeharverus from Distant Planet? Well, that is what moths are to butterflies
00:47.49Hachi_I dunno, I just find moths to be...extremely unnerving.
00:50.54LawfulInsaneok...
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01:07.32TekDroidAB?
01:07.36AngrybirdsYeah.
01:07.51AngrybirdsThis sort of works.
01:08.09AngrybirdsDon't think PM works, though.
01:15.21LawfulInsanedis weird
01:26.14LawfulInsaneMay a thousand Dvotties rest on your shoulders.
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01:54.14OfficerJackal~test
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01:57.02Hachi_Hai Oluap
01:57.09OluapPlayerhai u
01:58.33Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_War_of_Eneki/The_Brewing_Storm#The_Spies_Arrive I've not posted this section in here yet. Hachi_ TekDroid AngryBirds thoughts?
01:59.54Hachi_That last bit of dialogue struck out to me
02:00.24AeoMay I ask why?
02:01.46Needles_10I'm drawing a Draconis
02:01.47Hachi_I'm not entirely sure, but it looks good
02:01.58AeoThanks
02:04.06OluapPlayerHachi_: u go bak to writing Florabound
02:04.17Hachi_o rite
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02:04.52Needles_10Yep
02:05.05Needles_10I'm drawing a Draconis, and Monet himself is watching
02:05.22MonetIt's looking interresting so far
02:09.53OfficerJackalWait, monet is watching you draw?
02:12.19Needles_10yep
02:12.44OfficerJackalAre you doing it over Skype or something?
02:13.48MonetYes
02:14.56Needles_10Well, we were
02:15.02Needles_10He had to go
02:15.19Needles_10I'll take a request
02:16.08Needles_10OfficerJackal: Would you like me to draw a creature for you?
02:17.11Needles_10Hello?
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03:13.24OfficerJackalHey!
03:13.45OfficerJackalDerp.
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03:16.32OfficerJackalDa fa.
03:16.35OfficerJackalDa faq*
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04:14.31puma7372Hello?
04:14.55puma7372...
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05:53.10Angrybirds_Aeo I need your critical eye.
05:53.17Aeo?
05:54.04Angrybirds_Out of these: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Miperiors_4.png http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Miperiors.png Which do you think is the best?
06:00.29Angrybirds_Aeo?\
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06:03.48Angrybirds_Personal heraldry of the Graf Beyvik of Miperiors: [[File:Graf Beyvik of Miperiors.png]] MobileJackal Aeo
06:03.48morgothBotPyAngrybirds_ meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Graf_Beyvik_of_Miperiors.png
06:08.09Aeo*sigh* I really don't like the idea of the Mips being enslaved.
06:09.31Angrybirds_Well, it happened, unfortunately.
06:09.53Angrybirds_Why do not like it with them especially?
06:11.52Aeo1: Main characters
06:11.57Aeo2: Interesting ones
06:12.42AeoTheir obsession with inventing and general personality was always really good.
06:12.44Angrybirds_So you think that the main characters should have plot armor and not run the risk of getting killed?
06:13.15AeoIt bothers me more because I'm more attatched to ehm
06:13.18Angrybirds_I agree, gmfk was a terrific writer.
06:13.22Aeo*them
06:13.45AeoI would much rather see his empire combined with the Amphibots
06:13.55Angrybirds_Gmfk himself agreed to the Miperiors being taken over before he left.
06:14.11Aeo:(
06:14.25Angrybirds_^
06:15.09MobileJackalD:
06:15.11AeoThough actually I've realized something
06:15.12MobileJackal;-;
06:15.16Angrybirds_Hm>
06:15.20Angrybirds_?*
06:15.31MobileJackalHe said he was leaving? ;0;
06:15.36AeoI actually might have to veto it on balance of power grounds.
06:16.14AeoThat is, GTE presence in Delcath.
06:16.31AeoAnd if they can't come at all they can't take over the Mips
06:16.40AeoNot that that's the reason.
06:16.44Angrybirds_The balance of power is EXACTLY even, though. xD
06:16.56Angrybirds_KSA: 3,150 vessels
06:16.59AeoYes, between them and the ENTIRE REST OF THE SECTOR
06:17.07Angrybirds_Tarkans: total of 32,000 ships
06:17.18Angrybirds_31,500*
06:17.21Angrybirds_for the KSA*
06:18.33Angrybirds_More than that, since the empires aren't contributing their full navies to the offensive.
06:19.03Angrybirds_And the GTE only has 25,000 of its 32,000 ships in Miperiors. So technically, the Delcathians outnumber them.
06:19.32AeoNo, I'm talking about the GTE perminently taking over the sector
06:19.39Aeo*part of the sector
06:20.01Angrybirds_What's wrong with that if the writer consented to it?
06:20.21Angrybirds_And it's doubtful whether or not it'll be permanent.
06:21.05AeoThe GTE is so powerful it cannot be stood up to except by a united effort.
06:21.11AeoFrom almost all of the sector
06:21.24AeoPlus outside help
06:22.18AeoAll of Delcath, plus the combine
06:22.20Angrybirds_From almost all the sector, period. That does not count the USF.
06:22.44AeoCombine is in Varapha
06:22.45Angrybirds_The Tyranny is exactly the same thing, except on a large scale.
06:22.54Angrybirds_They might as well be in Delcath.
06:23.02Angrybirds_Politically, they are.
06:23.36AeoAB you of all people should understand my being concerned over balance of power
06:24.28AeoI only ban things if it will have a negative effect on non-consenting parties or should have such an effect but avoids it for contrived reasons.
06:24.50Angrybirds_Except that -- both in the long run and the short -- the KSA far counterbalances that power.
06:25.50Angrybirds_You're going to have to dislodge them from there ICly.
06:26.19AeoNo, I can stop this if I want.
06:26.36AeoMy subsector. Your permissive word does NOT counteract my prohibition
06:27.08Angrybirds_My word counteracts your word. I am simply trying to get you to see reason.
06:27.13AeoLet's assume that the Drodo etc intimidates the GTE into not attacking KSA alligned nations. The GTE is still militaristic as all mother fuck and will instandly conquer everyone else.
06:27.34AeoBecause it absolutely can
06:27.48Angrybirds_Again, you have no idea of what the GTE actually -is-.
06:27.55Angrybirds_Lol, just like the Sindar.
06:28.02Angrybirds_Granted, there's nothing on its page.
06:28.16AeoHyper-expansionist slaving conqueror #279 right?
06:28.19Angrybirds_I'm in the process of changing that, but you're making wild assumptions.
06:28.21Angrybirds_Nope.
06:28.21MobileJackalOh no! A cluster fuck!
06:28.39MobileJackaluses Leave IRC!
06:28.46Angrybirds_It's too unstable for that, Aeo.
06:28.58MobileJackalIt's super-effective.
06:29.19MobileJackalBut seriously, don't kill each other in here. Anyways, night
06:29.25Aeonight
06:29.31AeoWhat, then?
06:29.31Angrybirds_night!
06:29.54Angrybirds_What do you mean?
06:31.30AeoHere's how I reason. My condition is that it either absolutely effect non-consenting parties negatively, or fail to do so only through contrivance. Now, it could just not happen to attack anyone, but the problem is that it is, as I understand, militaristic enough that by default it conquers an empire if can take.
06:31.35Aeo*it
06:33.17AeoSo then, though "Intimidated by Drodo" is an acceptable reason not to attack the KSA members, but it should be default instantly attack, and because it's so powerful, defeat and enslave, everyone around it
06:33.28AeoWho is not such
06:33.40Angrybirds_Did you just ignore what I just said?
06:33.57Angrybirds_IT IS TOO UNSTABLE TO TAKE OVER EVERYONE ELSE.
06:33.59AeoSo they don't conquer everyone they meet?
06:34.12Angrybirds_No.
06:34.22AeoIf they can take them and there's no other reason not to
06:34.25Aeotht is
06:34.28Aeo*that
06:34.42Angrybirds_The state, the emperor. only has access to 11,000 of those ships
06:34.48Angrybirds_,*
06:35.17Angrybirds_Etzan, the equivalent of a duke, owns 4,000. Hence his 15,000 invading Miperiors.
06:36.15Angrybirds_The rest are owned by the vassals of the realm who would jump at the opportunity to declare independence, overthrow the monarch, or otherwise rebel violently the instant the Tarkan Imperial Army leaves for another realm.
06:36.54AeoBTW Why do the Aeons have orange face? Purely for philosophical reasons?
06:37.03Angrybirds_They also, by their own code of honor, need a reason to declare war.
06:37.04AeoOn GTE's page I mean
06:37.18Angrybirds_Because you're at war with them?
06:37.54AeoMiperiors are Yellow, and the GTE is enslaving them
06:39.54Angrybirds_Forgot to update that. Miperiors shouldn't be on there. The reason I left them as yellow is because the Tarkans know that the Miperiors had no intention to wrong them, and therefore they didn't have any reason to invade them.
06:40.41Angrybirds_Hence, those who know what's actually going on (the royals, a few advisors, etc), are rather disgusted with the conquest.
06:42.42AeoAnyways.
06:43.21AeoSo you're asserting that the GTE coming into Delcath will not in fact have negative consequences on non-consenting parties?
06:45.10Angrybirds_I'm asserting that your concerns are absurd.
06:46.05AeoAB they are so powerful that you are not willing to state that they will be defeated
06:47.24Angrybirds_I'm simply saying that the campaign is undecided.
06:47.41Angrybirds_Fighting a war where you don't know the outcome is thrilling. The reverse is pointless.
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06:48.12Angrybirds_Your actions don't have concequences if you know that, whatever you do, the war will end in your favor.
06:48.15AeoAn empire that only the entirety of Delcath can seriously contest in a to-the-death war is overpowered because it is perfectly capable of stomping over everyone in the sector individually.
06:48.48AeoAnd btw some of us, like me, like the security of knowing that they don't have to walk on eggshells to avoid losing their entire empire.
06:49.19Angrybirds_And yet, said nations are bound together by a strong alliance that unites them against said foe. It's not like they're alone.
06:49.36Angrybirds_Then win the war.
06:49.54AeoEasier said then done, AB
06:50.08AeoEspecially considering you're a better tactition than me.
06:50.08Angrybirds_You have to try first.
06:50.25Angrybirds_Tek is proficient, and he's learning from me.
06:50.43AeoSo regardless of IC skill level of characters you are going to win inevitably
06:50.55Angrybirds_I meant Tek the person.
06:51.00Angrybirds_The person WE know.
06:51.11AeoIn addition, I'd like you to remember Administration exists and I could be blocking you for any stupid reason I chose.
06:51.47Angrybirds_I apologize for the sarcasm, but don't make me laugh.
06:52.30Angrybirds_The way I interpret this is that you don't like the fact that the GTE took over Miperiors, something Gmfk and Ace completely consented to. As for everyone else, they're going to war with me for a reason.
06:52.34AeoAlso Sporewiki isn't a role playing game it's a fictional universe and pre-plotted things should be the norm unless all parties consent.
06:52.43Angrybirds_And that's to kick me out of Miperiors.
06:53.46AeoYour low opinion of me is irrelavent. I do not like the Miperiors being taken over but that is not why I'm questioning it and I did not consider blocking it until this problem occured to me.
06:54.03Angrybirds_And what probelm is that?
06:54.22Angrybirds_You're afraid of losing the war, so you're blocking it so it doesn't happen?
06:54.57AeoOh good piss AB you're being ridiculous
06:55.10Angrybirds_That's what it seems like to me.
06:55.20Angrybirds_That's what you're telling me right now.
06:55.31AeoLetting in a power that can only be challenged by ALL OF DELCATH COMBINED is something which I as an administrator am rationally concerned about. Can we agree on that?
06:56.30AeoTybusen would you let a new empire into Bunsen if it were about as powerful as the entire rest of the galaxy combined?
06:56.44Angrybirds_If it weren't part of an ongoing story whose whole purpose is to get rid of a larger and far more menacing power (the Tyranny), sure.
06:57.03Angrybirds_But this isn't randomly out of nowhere, and this isn't as powerful as you claim.
06:57.10AeoBut what about after AD?
06:57.17AeoAnd yes it fucking is.
06:57.22Angrybirds_How?
06:57.26AeoAs powerful as I claim
06:57.33AeoIt's not out of nowhere.
06:57.39Angrybirds_11,000 ships.
06:57.46Angrybirds_That's how much the Emperor owns.
06:58.00Angrybirds_That's roughly the same as any other Delcathian nation.
06:58.06TybusenUnless there was a really good explanation for it, I'd say no
06:58.14Angrybirds_The Farengeto match that.
06:58.26AeoAnd yet you consistantly speak like he's got 60%+ chance of winning.
06:58.39AeoSee what Tybusen said?
06:58.59Angrybirds_I don't speak in absolutes. I can't say the war has been won until it happens.
06:59.12Angrybirds_Likewise, I can't saw it has been lost until I have actually lost it.
06:59.14TybusenWhat is the context here, though?
06:59.17Angrybirds_say*
06:59.32AeoTybusen: Note that this is purely on balance of power concerns. Obviously one would be tier -3 or something to do that with bunsen but you get the point
07:00.09TybusenTier 1 would be sufficient but okay
07:00.28Angrybirds_Aeo, note that if I wanted, I could veto your veto, but I'd rather you see how absurd your claim is.
07:00.37AeoNo you couldn't
07:00.44Angrybirds_I could. I've done it before.
07:00.55AeoNo you have not and no you can't.
07:01.44AeoAs I understand, AB wants me to let a power that basically can only be contested by a joint effort by the rest of the sector minus the Gargator.
07:01.51AeoTybusen
07:01.58Angrybirds_Which is what the whole plot is about.
07:02.15AeoYes, and that's fine if by the end they've fucked off.
07:02.21Angrybirds_Said nations banding together and posing a threat to said power, a puppet by the Tyranny.
07:02.31Angrybirds_puppet of*
07:02.37TybusenIt's perfectly fine to introduce a powerful faction for the purpose of a story about the others uniting to defeat it
07:02.46TybusenThat was the entire basis of the War of Ages, after all
07:03.07AeoBut if you intend to have them  conquer the Miperioirs Empire, they'd own those colonies and thus are a PERMINENT ADDITION
07:03.28AeoTybusen he wants them to settle there long term from what I understand.
07:03.43Angrybirds_Again, you're assuming the Delcathians aren't going to push them back.
07:03.51Angrybirds_The odds say they will.
07:03.52TybusenWhat's your deal, then Aeo
07:04.03Angrybirds_31,500 vs. 25,000 ships.
07:04.24AeoLet's make sure we're clear here
07:04.24Angrybirds_10,000 of the Tarkan ships Etzan doesn't even have direct control over.
07:05.35AeoMy conception is that you want me to allow that after AD the GTE remains in Delcath as a long term or permanent addition which occupies the same space the Miperiors Empire does now.
07:05.57AeoAm I incorrect in assuming that?
07:06.24AeoTybusen: That's not what he's proposing. He's proposing they be a persistant presence
07:07.11TybusenThey could be "persistent" but not at the same power level they arrived at
07:07.21TybusenAs in, there, but weakened
07:07.24AeoBut that's not what AB is proposing
07:08.00Angrybirds_IF we assume that the Delcathian Offensive is to fail, or something else happens to ensure that the Kingdom of Miperiors remains a de facto province of the GTE, then yes.
07:08.12Angrybirds_But we haven't gotten there yet. At all.
07:08.18AeoWhen the dust has settled and AD is over GTE will still be in Delcath and will presumably still be there in 2800, then 2810, etc
07:08.30Angrybirds_*facepalm*
07:09.12TybusenI'd have to say right now, Angrybirds_, that something like this is best already planned out rather than decided in RPs
07:09.31AeoTHANK YOU
07:09.37AeoI agree
07:09.49Angrybirds_A few of my users find it more interesting when the outcome isn't predetermined.
07:10.17ImpyDroidThey aren't *yours*
07:10.26ImpyDroidYou don't own them
07:10.29TybusenI'd have to say, though, if no one has any idea of the direction of the fiction, it tends to decline
07:10.46ImpyDroidAnd yes, you should have the basic storyline in mind
07:11.00AeoSo now I know never to be in a war with an empire you control because you think you can take my empire without mu consent just because I happen to be poor at this particular role playing game.
07:11.01Angrybirds_ImpyDroid , Good point, it was merely a figure of speech.
07:11.19TybusenAeo: That's a bit harsh
07:11.26AeoIt's also true.
07:11.39TybusenDon't make accusations like that
07:12.02ImpyDroidAeo is somewhat blunt
07:12.03Angrybirds_Tybusen - You're right, though the events give pace to the fiction. Events lead to one another and that is what keeps it going.
07:12.11ImpyDroidAnd/or thick
07:12.16AeoAB Am I wrong that you think you can end my empire and enslave Lingur without my consent and despite my protests?
07:12.48TybusenAngrybirds_: The best way to have a fiction story progress is to have determined major plot points as well as the beginning and ending, but the events leading to each can vary as much as you like
07:13.50ImpyDroidYeah
07:14.18AeoAnd of course you need to plot out the ending because it should be designed to be the best one possible for the story.
07:14.30TybusenAnd in fact I'd say it's easier to keep suspense in a fiction if you, the author, knows the course of the story
07:14.59Angrybirds_I personally think it is more interesting when the ending isn't predetermined. I have mapped out several courses the story could take if things go one way or another.
07:15.08TybusenI'll just use Cyrannus as an example, none of us saw the Empire coming, but Um had it in planning for years
07:15.42Angrybirds_And I have my own plans. I cannot, however, control the actions of the opposing party in the war.
07:15.52Angrybirds_I control only one side.
07:16.00AeoThis isn't a real war AB. This is a story
07:16.00TybusenAngrybirds_: You can always coordinate with the others.
07:16.11TybusenIn fact, that's really the only way to do this
07:16.21Aeo^
07:16.37TybusenThe RPs shouldn't guide the story, the story should guide the RPs
07:16.52Angrybirds_The only way? We've been working just fine the way we've been doing it. As always, Aeon is the only one to raise any concerns.
07:17.05TybusenHe does raise a valid concern though.
07:18.36TybusenI'll give you some advice and tell you that you should have your mind set on the basic plot of the story before you write it
07:18.51Angrybirds_He assumes, though, that the story will take a path in which the GTE holds on to the Kingdom of Miperiors. Given that the entire KSA is currently at war with it (all of Katar, basically), that's unlikely.
07:19.58TybusenIf it's so unlikely, then I'd say ease Aeo's concerns by making a decision right now
07:20.14TybusenWhether you want the GTE to stay or not
07:20.20Angrybirds_And yet I want to keep the suspense.
07:20.42AeoHere is the thing
07:20.48ImpyDroidRemind me
07:20.49Angrybirds_What if I have made a decision hours ago (I have witnesses), and I don't want to show my hand?
07:20.57ImpyDroidWhat does GTE stand for
07:21.04Angrybirds_Grand Tarkan Empire.
07:21.06TybusenIn that case, then you're fine
07:21.20ImpyDroidAh, these guys
07:21.22Angrybirds_A feudalistic empire Aeon doesn't seem to understand the inner workings of.
07:21.37Angrybirds_Also, Aeon, that reminds me.
07:22.20Angrybirds_The King of Miperiors, unless he holds any other titles in the main realm, would have access only to the armies of the kingdom.
07:22.36Angrybirds_Most of them belonging to other vassals.
07:22.49Angrybirds_That's how feudalism works.
07:22.57AeoI am an administrator, and I am saying that as of now I am not comfortable letting the GTE in. So what I'm saying is that unless you convince me not to I am putting that off the table, meaning that-- oh?
07:23.31AeoSo It'd have how many ships of what tier level?
07:23.47AeoOr I should say, power ratio compared to the other ships?
07:24.11TybusenIf they're a feudal society, then that could easily remedy Aeo's issue with the GTE "controlling" the Miperior territory
07:24.29Angrybirds_It depends on the political climate, the situation, etc. I have yet to figure out the realm/vassal control ratio of Miperiors.
07:25.02ImpyDroidWait
07:25.08TybusenThe Tarkans who end up controlling the Miperior territory could easily just go up to the emperor and say "suk a dik" and bang! GTE doesn't control it anmore
07:25.18Tybusen*anymore
07:25.20ImpyDroidDid the owner of the Mips agree?
07:25.26Angrybirds_Yes.
07:25.53ImpyDroidSo what's the problem then?
07:26.20Angrybirds_GTE's is somewhere around 45%, while the Beyvekerie of Akrheer (Etzan's duchy) had about 15%.
07:27.05AeoImpyDroid: Because if the GTE conquers an empire from Delcath that is equivalent to settling there which AB needs my approval to do.
07:27.09Angrybirds_Together, they control the majority of the realm by a slim margin. If we assume that the Beyverkerie of Arkheer were to not belong to an ally of the emperor, however...
07:27.23Angrybirds_Technically, I can veto his veto.
07:27.30AeoNo you can't
07:27.32Angrybirds_But I'd rather gain his permission.
07:27.39Angrybirds_I can...
07:27.40AeoWell let's decide that now because as I was about to say I don't want to have you go all the way to the end and me have to decide to reverse it on administrative grounds.
07:27.43AeoNo you can't
07:28.01TybusenAeo: That seems like a grave misbalance of power if your veto can't be vetoed
07:28.17AeoNot really.
07:28.25TybusenIt is, actually
07:28.26ImpyDroidThat's why shit happens if more than 2 users decide to own a place in the fictionverse
07:28.35TybusenThat's why the President's vetoes can get overturned
07:28.36AeoIf it can't be vetoed by Wormy sure
07:28.45Angrybirds_*needs to remind Drodo that he can veto my vetos*
07:29.09ImpyDroidVetoception
07:29.24AeoHe's not just gonna waltz in my sector and negatively effect non-consenting parties.
07:29.30Angrybirds_lol. Tybusen, here's the power structure:
07:29.38Angrybirds_Me (admin)
07:29.54TybusenAeo: YOUR sector?
07:29.56Aeopredicts that what AB is about to say contradicts what was said to Aeo on previous occasions
07:30.06AeoMy subsector
07:30.38Angrybirds_Drodo, as he owned the fiction rights to the sector before me, has veto powers on me.
07:31.12AeoAnything settled there needs permission from AB as admin of Katar and me as Admin of Delcath. I have no jurisdiction outside of Delcath.
07:31.33TybusenAngrybirds_: Since I think the big problem here is that Aeo is concerned that what will happen will affect his sector, I think this could be settled if you told Aeo and Aeo alone what the outcome you decided on was
07:32.13Angrybirds_Aeo was given Delcath to harbor his fictions. In theory, he was given the rights to deny people access to Delcath, a right I told him explicitly I could veto if I thought it was unreasonable.
07:32.23TybusenIf Aeo's fine with it, cool beans, and if he doesn't like it, you two will have to negotiate
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07:32.25JepardiHi
07:32.39AeoI do not recall you saying that.
07:32.48TybusenIt might be better to have at least a larger number of the Katar admins around here so that you can all negotiate this
07:32.48Angrybirds_I recall saying it quite clearly.
07:33.35AeoIt's something you would say because you're power hungry like that, but I don't remember you actually saying it.
07:33.49TybusenAeo: Cut back on the name-calling.
07:34.05ImpyDroid^
07:34.06Angrybirds_Exactly. At this point, these options are open to me: I can argue until I'm blue in the mouth and red in the eyes from sleep depravation, I can veto his veto and go to sleep, or I can change the boundaries of Delcath to ring around only the Mardor, Aeoneonatrix, and Gargator Empires.
07:35.44TybusenNo man is an island, we're only going to resolve this if you guys can work together
07:36.14ImpyDroidI fail to see the problem
07:36.20AeoI will confront Wormy with this if I have to.
07:36.29AeoImpyDroid: How so?
07:37.04TybusenAeo: I think Wormy will give a similar answer to the one I've been giving
07:37.12ImpyDroidAnother's dude empire was conquered (though not complerelt assimilated and thus left at a similar power level)
07:37.26ImpyDroidby another dude's empire
07:37.42ImpyDroidAnd this empire just happened to be close to you
07:38.05AeoLook, bottom line, I'm willing to listen to reason if it's actually there. Let's stop talking about who has the power to do what and have AB explain why my concerns are invalid.
07:38.22TybusenImpyDroid: *cough* Andromeda Grox *cough*
07:38.50Angrybirds_Does that constitute an admission that they are invalid? O.o
07:39.10AeoNo I said I am open to the idea that my concerns are not valid.
07:39.23ImpyDroidThe AndroGrox attacked, well, Andromeda
07:39.39ImpyDroidAnd this was mostly our territory
07:39.43AeoLet's talk about that because if I come to the conclusion that they are not whether or not I could veto it will be irrelavent.
07:39.51TybusenWell, they attacked the Starmasters first, which happened to be next to the Draconis, who freaked out and then beat the stuffing out of the Grox
07:39.54Angrybirds_I agree.
07:40.11ImpyDroidand ST and Vartekian space was left
07:40.16AeoSo then. #Lingur'snest
07:40.20Angrybirds_guuuuys. xD
07:40.39TybusenI forgot what the ST was :U
07:40.41Angrybirds_Are we staying here or going there?
07:41.02TybusenWe ought to bring this elsewhere
07:41.02ImpyDroidXho's blue op fellas
07:41.15TybusenOps don't like arguments ending up on the main chat
07:41.27Tybusenwaves to Xho, OluapPlayer, and Cyrannian
07:42.04Tybusenoh the Shka'Tun?
07:42.25Tybusenwell then they got exploded in Tantumdumnomomnom bleh
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07:50.05LawfulInsaneHello.
07:50.56Aeohi
07:51.15Tybusenello
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09:00.50Liquid_InkHello!
09:01.17Liquid_InkThe Vermites now have a symbol of their everlasting peace and love!
09:01.18Liquid_Inkhttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1a/VermiteMatriarchy.png
09:06.44Wormyhi
09:07.10Liquid_InkHow are you?
09:08.44WormyI woke up from a nightmare with his horrible goblin so abstract I can barely remember wearing a mask and hands on sticks lunging for me
09:09.30WormyAm I going to die?
09:09.50AeoBTW I realize that the Aeoneonatrix Empire is not actually a democracy, as they in fact almost all worship the Cleanser, their immortal god-emperor.
09:10.08Liquid_InkOkay then.
09:10.23WormySounds like the DCP
09:10.55Liquid_Inkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8
09:10.55AeoOnly the DCP doesn't even pretend to be a democracy
09:11.09AeoAlso the Cleanser is much nicer than Wormulon
09:11.19Aeo*Wormulous
09:11.25Aeo*Wormulus
09:11.31AeoHOwever one spells it
09:11.43WormyAt least the DCP government is honest
09:13.13Liquid_InkThe DCP government is loving.
09:13.36Liquid_InkIt's nicer than Oceania.
09:14.15WormyTo be honest,  don't see what makes Cleanser aby better since he bends lesser beings to his will and keeps them as pets
09:14.48WormyWhile most citizensvof the DCP simly agree with their empire's cause
09:15.45WormyAnd some of his friends like The Judge, is obviously evil but he takes no notice
09:15.53AeoWell, the punishments for one. BTW The Aeoneonatrix agree with the Cleanser too.
09:16.51AeoAnd you can't claim indoctrination because that's more true of the DCP, or at least I assume given their lower freedom of thought.
09:17.51AeoAnd btw though I originally intended the Judge to be the evil one Lost Memories is developing him more
09:18.15TybusenIf you've ever read 1984, the DCP is Oceania except more brutally honest about their oppression
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09:18.42Sporeraptorhi
09:18.49TybusenAnd Wormulus is Big Brother though Kilnok could also be a Big Brother figure if he's worshipped like a god in the DCP
09:19.18AeoOceania has more starvation than the post-scarcity DCP
09:19.23TybusenI just had a conspiracy theory pop into my mind
09:19.44TybusenWhat if Apollo is Winston, Ramashe is Julia, and Kilnok is O'Brien
09:20.25TybusenAnd Kilnok and the whole DCP is secretly planning to capture Apollo and Ramashe and have them transformed into DCP-ists or whatever you'd call that
09:20.58TybusenAnd the whole DCP being at war with the Xhodocto is a complete lie
09:21.22TybusenBecause the DCP was allied with the Xhodocto at one point but you could expect them to deny it now
09:22.09TybusenAnd the Grox as well
09:22.18TybusenWhich makes the Xhodocto and Grox Eastasia and Eurasia
09:22.28TybusenIt's all making sense now
09:22.31TybusenWormy you bastard
09:22.45Liquid_Ink..?
09:23.01Liquid_InkBut the DCP are legitimately trying to destroy the Xhodocto and Grox.
09:23.11TybusenThat's what they want you to think
09:23.21Liquid_InkOceania's war with Eurasia and Eastasia is a resource sink.
09:23.50TybusenDid you ever notice how the DCP and Grox will team up to fight the Xhodocto, and the Xhodocto and DCP are never at war when the DCP fights the Grox?
09:24.00TybusenIT'S A CONSPIRACY
09:25.34Liquid_InkWormy, we need your opinion on this.
09:25.37TybusenPlus, both Winston and Apollo have wives that have since been killed or something so it's a totes legit theory
09:27.05WormyBoth Tybusen and Aeo forget that the DCP sacrificed their lives defending the whole Milky Way during the Annihilation
09:27.13TybusenThe only hole I can think of in my theory is that Ramashe has never been seen wearing her red Junior Anti-Sex League sash
09:27.53TybusenThat's why the DCP wants them to think
09:28.02Tybusen*what
09:28.31TybusenWho knows if they were really trapped in the Omegatropic or they just turned invisible?
09:28.33AeoI'm not getting into an argument over someone's morality.
09:28.34WormyI'm not realy sure if the DCP need to indoctrinate, each and everyone of them are bastards
09:29.42TybusenThe most important part of my theory though is that the Maelstrom is obviously a metaphor for Victory Gin.
09:29.51WormyThe DCP do bad things in the name of imprialism which in a weird way has done good for the Gigaquadrant
09:31.21TybusenI can still see Apollo, Ramashe, and Kilnok being Winston, Julia, and O'Brien considering what happened in the Coalition of Delpha timeline and the fact that that wasn't even a mirror reality
09:31.26WormyWhatever te case Tybusen, they have won
09:32.06Tybusen"It was alright, they had won the battle over themselves. The First Gigaquadrant loved Emperor Wormulus II."
09:32.44WormyThe Gigaquadrant wouldn't exist witout them exploring Tigris for the SSA in search of whitevspice
09:33.21WormyEveryone would be still in their home galaxies for tye scourge
09:33.30TybusenThe White Spice hunt was all a conspiracy
09:33.47AeoOkay I'm actually avoiding an argument about the DCP's morality, so can you please not tempt me by talking about it yourselves?
09:33.49TybusenThe DCP was just following the principles of Ingsoc and was trying to waste resources
09:34.17WormyNo, this is a public forum
09:34.34TybusenAeo: I'm playing a conspiracy theorist comparing every aspect of the Fictionverse to 1984, so I'm being incredibly sarcastic right now
09:35.02WormyAnd I'm spouting DCP propagander
09:35.14TybusenAnd everyone speaking English in the Fictionverse is a metaphor for Newspeak
09:35.51TybusenBecause you have Kicath speaking English when they could be speaking their more sophisticated Kicathian
09:35.57WormyWE ARE ALWAYS VICTORIOUS
09:36.21TybusenI bet in the DCP, 2 plus 2 equals 5 all the time
09:36.31WormyKicath also use Greek letters
09:37.32TybusenPeople in the DCP could reasonably float off the floor like soap bubbles with DCP-level technology
09:37.41TybusenCoincidence? I THINK NOT
09:40.08TybusenI will have to ask Um if Apollo is afraid of rats
09:40.17Liquid_InkLol
09:40.41Tybusenbecause that will serve to confirm my theory that the DCP is really the same Oceania from 1984, except they became omnipotent like they said they would
09:43.18WormyBye
09:44.00TybusenHe's off to go rectify the Gigaquadrant history so that no one will know about me revealing the dark truth of the Gigaquadrant
09:48.19Liquid_InkHe's a goon for the Ministry of Truth
09:49.27TybusenMinitrue, you mean
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09:50.18GhelaeHello.
09:50.24Liquid_InkHmm. Entirely equal trade.
09:50.51Liquid_InkGhel, unless you've seen already I've added my dudes to the Koldenwelt map: http://images.wikia.com/spore/images/d/de/KoldenweltTerrainTerritory.png
09:53.22Liquid_InkPlease satisfy my paranoia by telling me there's no problem with where they're placed.
09:54.00Sporeraptorhi
09:56.31GhelaeLiquid_Ink: There is no problem with where they're placed.
09:56.34GhelaeThat I know of.
09:56.44Tybusenneeds to add the Razoa to that map
09:56.52GhelaeKoldenwelt is more than big enough for all of the fictions that we are likely to ever have.
09:57.39GhelaeIt's basically the size of Eurasia, and most of its nations are Iron Age or lower.
09:57.44JepardiEmirate is a giant starfish
09:59.36Liquid_InkThe Dukati are a largely subterrainian species.
09:59.40Liquid_InkBased off Ghouls.
10:07.23Liquid_InkAnd they are starfish shaped.
10:09.18Liquid_InkThey are neither man nor woman. They are neither brute nor human. They are Ghouls.
10:10.35GhelaeStarfish Ghouls.
10:11.09Liquid_InkSorry, I meant their territory is starfish shaped.
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10:11.14ImperiosHi
10:11.25Liquid_InkThe Dukati themselves are fairly conventional monsters.
10:12.20Liquid_Inkhttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130729090805/spore/images/e/e2/AlignmentFantasy.png They're the Neutral Evil
10:13.00ImperiosSo Vermites won't live in the Frontier Land?
10:13.01Imperios:<
10:13.18Liquid_Ink...I thought that was a problem
10:13.40ImperiosNah, it was okay
10:13.48ImperiosThey could live one the borders, remember the picture>/
10:13.59Liquid_InkGive me the picture again?
10:14.12ImperiosLiving amidst the Serenity Woods was a problem, but they could live on the border between them and the Frontier Land
10:14.47Imperiosactually wait
10:14.49ImperiosHow large is the Vermite territory
10:14.49Liquid_Inkhttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/archive/d/de/20130729215029!KoldenweltTerrainTerritory.png The picture had them deeply embedded
10:15.16Liquid_Inkhttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/d/de/KoldenweltTerrainTerritory.png But now they're not.
10:15.48ImperiosHm that's large
10:16.09ImperiosMaybe the mainstay of their empire could be on the north with a couple of towns on the borders?
10:16.11TybusenI keep forgetting that the Archipelago isn't visible on the map
10:16.56Imperioshttp://www.wowpedia.org/images/1/11/WesternPlaguelandsWoods.JPG
10:17.04ImperiosThink that but more Scandinavian/Russian
10:17.21Liquid_InkSo keep them where they currently are, but also have some settlements in the Frontier Land?
10:18.41ImperiosHm actually nah
10:18.42ImperiosT
10:18.46ImperiosThat would be forced
10:19.07Liquid_InkThen what would you suggest?
10:19.31GhelaeTybusen: I don't think the Archipelago has ever been precisely located. It's probably somewhere to the left of the peninsula with the Dark Caxildiz on. I think it could easily be retconned to cover more than a few square kilometres of ocean, but the islands will still be too small to show up on the map.
10:19.52ImperiosJust leave them where they are
10:20.16TybusenAll I remember is that the archipelago is a tiny string of islands in that big bay in the south-middle part of Koldenwelt
10:20.17Liquid_InkI'm sure it's a nice and cold forest up there.
10:21.01TybusenAnd I also remember I kept thinking the Archipelago was the string of larger islands in the south part of that bay
10:21.42TybusenProbably because most of those islands are uninhabited
10:21.46Imperios<PROTECTED>
10:22.08Liquid_InkA Slendyforest?
10:23.34Liquid_Inkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQGys9opnDY Gigaquadrantic Hegemony theme!
10:23.37ImperiosWhile the Serenity Woods look like a mix of this
10:23.38Imperioshttp://www.wowpedia.org/images/8/85/Tirisfal_Glades_at_Night.jpg
10:24.11Imperiosand this http://www.wowpedia.org/images/2/2d/Eastern_Plaguelands_East_Side2.jpg
10:47.03Tybusennight
10:49.45Liquid_InkImperios, there appear to be two of you.
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11:40.59AeoMy Little Pony Fan Fiction Idea: A war between Equestria and the Crystal Empire.
11:41.15AeoImperios
11:42.36AeoImpyDroid
11:45.43ImperiosAeo: Quite possible
11:45.51ImperiosWith Sombra in charge
11:46.19ImperiosOr you could go with the Trollestia interpretation of princess Celestia in mind
11:46.20AeoNo, the MODERN crystal empire
11:46.29Imperios>you could go with the Trollestia interpretation of princess Celestia in mind
11:46.42AeoAnd no Trollestia. The war is over resources.
11:46.46ImperiosHell
11:47.06ImperiosExcept that the CE is effectively Equestria's vassal/protectorate
11:47.16AeoDo we know that for sure?
11:47.34AeoAnd consider, Twilight is one of Equestria's leaders and Shining Armor is presumably the leader of the CE's military.
11:47.48ImpyDroidit is ruled by Celly's niece
11:48.09ImpyDroidExcept that he also protects Equestria
11:49.03AeoI suppose you do have that problem of the Crystal Empire's prosperity being mirrored across Equestria
11:49.19AeoSo yeah, maybe not that
11:50.55AeoBut... perhaps a war between Equestria and another party?
11:53.13AeoImagine Pinkie pie applying her cartoon superpowers to war.
11:58.03AeoImpyDroid
12:00.41ImpyDroidAlready happened
12:00.51ImpyDroidSeason 2, episode 26
12:01.13ImpyDroidPinkie Pie using her party cannon in combat
12:01.45AeoI perhaps should re-watch.
12:02.08AeoBut as a foot soldier.
12:02.28AeoSoldier 1 - Doo doo doo doo doo
12:02.50AeoPinkie Pie: Uses cartoon ability to conjure machine gun.
12:02.56Aeo* -
12:03.08AeoSoldier - OH FUCK
12:03.34AeoAnd of course the war is over resources, so both sides are fighting for survival.
12:04.43AeoSo no one is in the right or wrong here really and both sides just want to feed their people.
12:06.26Liquid_InkImpy, on the Koldenwelt page, surely their galaxy would have a name, since we had named the Milky Way since at least Ancient Greek times.
12:06.52AeoNo, we named the visible ridge of the galaxy
12:07.04Aeoit wasn't the name of the galaxy until later
12:07.16AeoSo no Trollestia is needed. It's a matter of whose nation has to starve to death.
12:07.49Liquid_InkSo? We'll just put the Koldenweltian name for the visisble ridge tin the infobox.
12:12.44ImpyDroidAeo: She used a machine gun too
12:13.14AeoImpyDroid: Perhaps this is happening because Celestia is sick and either can only raise the sun for 6 hours a day or can do it for the normal amount of time less often, like, rather than 12 out of every 24 hours, 12 out of every 48?
12:13.58ImpyDroidSounds like a plam
12:14.12AeoSo there are massive food shortages leading to not enough food to feed everypony
12:14.17ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: Astral Wing
12:14.29Liquid_InkI like that.
12:19.09AeoImpyDroid: Also consider Dicord is working with Celestia as of the end of Season 3
12:20.52AeoActually he'd best be taken out of the picture
12:21.02AeoHe's too powerful
12:21.19AeoHe'd win the war instantly
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12:24.52OluapWorkerhai u
12:25.54AeoWar of Eneki is turning out to be a realy nice story.
12:26.35ImperiosGj
12:26.37ImperiosHi Hachi
12:28.27Aeodoes the shrew dance.
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12:34.22Zmr56Hi there
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12:38.56ImperiosHi Cyra
12:42.43CyrannianHi
12:42.56OluapWorkergit workin on dem Foreign Relations
12:42.58OluapWorkerden Cyranai War
12:42.58OluapWorkergrr
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12:43.49OluapWorkerhey
12:43.51MonetHi
12:44.05OluapWorkerMonet: I finished reading the Boatmurdered saga
12:44.07OluapWorkerholy shit that ending
12:44.20OluapWorkerEverything just set on fire and killed everyone
12:44.42MonetAt least all the elephants are dead right?
12:44.46OluapWorkerhur
12:45.02OluapWorkerAlso that one dwarf ruler who broke all the bones of another one's body while he was on fire
12:45.06OluapWorkerThat guy's a badass
12:45.41Hachi_Everybody except Jason and Miranda refuse to talk to me hur
12:45.43Hachi_Ngh I think my crew on ME2 are gonna die
12:45.52OluapWorkerJason?
12:46.10OluapWorkerI take you mean Jacob
12:46.16MonetBoatmurderd's Elf-king is the only elf liked by the community evver
12:46.29Hachi_Yeh dat guy
12:46.49OluapWorkerAlso that part with the nerdy ruler and the dwarf guard who just pulls the doomsday lever to solve any problems
12:46.55OluapWorkerI love how casual that looked
12:47.32OluapWorker5 goblins in a distance -> set landscale on fire
12:47.36MonetProblems? Flood the world with lava
12:47.39OluapWorkerlandscape even
12:48.14OluapWorkerBy the looks of it you can give names to yours dwarves. I'll name mine after SporeWiki people hur
12:48.32OluapWorkeryour*
12:48.39Zmr56I just found a pink sheep in minecraft naturally
12:48.45MonetKoluap McInsanebastard
12:48.50OluapWorkerolol
12:49.09OluapWorkerKoluap will spend his entire life working on the magma river
12:49.30MonetDorf - My lord, elephants are attacking again! King - FUK DIS GAY EARTH! *Pulls the "FUck the world" lever*
12:50.24OluapWorkerI downloaded the game last night but it was too late to play. Im gonna start in the weekend
12:50.42Hachi_http://wakpaper.com/large/Fan+Boats_wallpapers_163.jpg
12:51.13OluapWorkerNeeds a mandrill somewhere
12:52.43OluapWorkerThree things define Boatmurdered: lava, elephants and mandrills as far as the eyes can see
12:53.14OluapWorkeroh god it has a TV Tropes page even
12:53.16Monet"This is a carving of a battle. The battle includes an elephant and a dwarf. The dwarf is armed with an ++Iron Sword++ and an ++Iron sword++. He is staring at an elephant. THe elephants is angry"
12:53.19OluapWorkerhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LetsPlay/Boatmurdered
12:58.11MonetLuckily for the people of Boatmurdered, animals are a lot less aggressive now
12:59.18OluapWorkerAll of the two survivors hur
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13:23.34Needles_10Heyolo!
13:24.04Needles_10Why did I just do that
13:24.08Needles_10Hello*
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14:09.26Cyrannianhttp://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/BertX2466/Spore/Empire_Chalax650.png - Someone has too much time on their hands
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14:20.24Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dark_Times#History - c
14:23.16OluapWorkeri c
14:26.14Needles_10Hallo
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14:26.27Needles_10nu
14:26.33Needles_10NUUUUUUU
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14:26.44CyrannianWhoops, I was meant to message him
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14:27.08Needles_10ReCaptcha of the Dayukrosts from
14:27.15Needles_10ReCaptcha of the Day: ukrosts from*
14:27.18Needles_10My bad
14:27.27Needles_10I was just very...I dunno
14:27.36MonetNO no it's fine
14:27.42CyrannianI pressed the wrong button
14:28.17OluapWorkerStill stop with the random messages
14:29.36Needles_10What
14:29.44Needles_10Wrong button...SHEET.
14:30.03Needles_10Monet: ?epykS
14:31.45MonetNah, not right now
14:31.57Needles_10By the way, I'll take an art request of a creatue
14:31.59Needles_10creature
14:32.05Needles_10Anyone
14:34.31Needles_10Seriously
14:35.03Needles_10I will draw a creation of your choosing in my style
14:35.04MonetNeedles_10: Were you going to show me your picture?
14:35.15Needles_10It's still coming along, Monet
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14:40.46Needles_10_ReCaptcha of the Day: balgaz 1864
14:40.48Needles_10_Hi
14:40.53Needles_10_That was strange
14:41.09Needles_10_Well, would any of you like your creatures to be drawn
14:41.35CyrannianYay, I just reached 150 subs on the Sporepedia
14:41.43Sporeraptorhihi
14:41.49MonetDat a lot
14:41.52Sporeraptor*hi
14:42.15CyrannianI'm pretty sure Oluap has more
14:42.51MonetShame there aren't more people here to here this but I had this idea: Perhaps the Draconis have imprinted either their forms or aspects of their culture into the sapient species they created or deem to be of potential value to the Imperium
14:44.06MonetNothing glaring but perhaps hints. Memes if you will. Say...perhaps humannity's eternal fascination with dragons was partially their fault?
14:44.20Needles_10_Awesome, Cyr! Congrats nonetheless
14:44.53Needles_10_Wow, Monet
14:44.56Needles_10_That's cool idea
14:45.20SporeraptorNice idea
14:49.49MonetLatin, dragons, who knows maybe the idea of divine right could have been fro mtheir nudging
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15:03.04MonetHi
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15:25.37Cyrannianhttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a8/AwakeningGod.png - Coming soon to the Dark Times
15:25.41Cyrannian~give Ghelae a cookie
15:25.41infobotACTION gives Ghelae a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up.
15:25.48Ghelaeeats the cookie
15:25.52Ghelae~give Cyrannian a kitten
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15:26.13OluapWorker"oooh purty lights"
15:26.16Cyrannianeats the kitten
15:26.31MonetI have a guess at who's coming back :>
15:27.13Cyrannianhttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/ef/Liberation.png - Another new story for the Dark Timesw
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15:28.32OluapWorkerpoot Cyranai War section grrr
15:29.07CyrannianI'm doing that now you smelly frogman
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15:45.45Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Dark_Times/Year_Three/Cyranai_Civil_War#The_First_Invasion
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15:47.53Sporeraptor_very good
15:48.07OluapWorkerBisistar - quit ur pokin *zap*
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16:00.32Roboticking45hi Angrybirds
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16:15.11MonetHi
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16:17.39MonetWormy: Where it says that the Chitauri/ALpha Draconisans returned to earth in the 19th century, was that a reference to the discovery made in Studied In The Deep?
16:18.10WormyCyrannian wrote that part, so I dunno
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16:19.33Roboticking45hu
16:19.35Roboticking45hi*
16:20.17GhelaeHello.
16:20.42Darkwarrior101hi
16:23.24Roboticking45hmm, has any fiction ever consider genetically engineering enormous creatures to conquer planets?
16:24.29MonetKaiju are a bit...clumsy compared ot say a giant mech or a low-orbit starship.
16:24.33GhelaeThey've probably considered it, although it's not a very efficient method. The Tokzhalan Empire did use giant Zxxon, but they were never actually shown conquering planets.
16:24.52Roboticking45true
16:25.16MonetMy suggestion for the Draconis. It kinda links in with that section I made in that random stuff page. Draconis don't see humans as blind pond scum in the cliche sense. It's more they think we could have done better.
16:25.19GhelaeThen again, I never expanded on the Tokzhalan Empire's extragigaquadrantic exploits.
16:25.25Roboticking45wait, have you seen pacific rim?
16:25.39GhelaeI've not seen it, but I'm definitely aware of it.
16:25.53MonetI wouldn't tkae Pacific RIm seriously.
16:25.54Roboticking45ok, so i cant say something about it then
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16:26.34Roboticking45I know,
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16:28.02WormyI wonder why VSTF keep visiting
16:28.10Roboticking45Giant mechs would be useful in conquering a planet,
16:28.29Hachi_Pacific Rim is a massive joke
16:28.42Hachi_It's reasoning and scientific explanation is just dum
16:29.25CyrannianHello!
16:29.31MonetWait is it me or is the West a bit hit-and-miss with fiant monster films?
16:29.34MonetHi
16:29.36Ghelae~give Cyrannian another kitten
16:29.36infobotACTION gives another kitten to Cyrannian
16:29.43Monetgiant monster*
16:30.01GhelaeI'm not likely to watch it - and if I do, I'm unlikely to care much about spoilers - so if I'm the only reason for you to not give details about the film, don't worry.
16:30.03CyrannianAnother kitten? You are spoiling me today!
16:30.26Roboticking45True, the jaegers couldent move in real life, no actuator or robotic part can handle the stress of moving a 2,000 ton mech that is 260 feet tall
16:31.02GhelaeI was given a huge stash of them by a nearby animal rescue centre. They don't have enough resources to look after them, so they decided to donate them to the local homeless Draconian centre.
16:31.20GhelaeI know you're not homeless, but there's plenty to spare.
16:32.20Roboticking45How many kittens  are there?
16:32.25Hachi_Not just that, even the basic logic of the film was stupid; Jaeger didn't share technology or weaponry thus leaving certain countries at a disadvantage. The Japanese Jaegers managed to get blades to cut Kaiju skin; they didn't share this tech and all the other Jaegers outside of Japan were destroyed.
16:32.33GhelaeA few hundred. Why do you ask?
16:32.43Hachi_Also, main Jaeger attack; punching. Not guns, not ranged weapons; punching.
16:33.27GhelaeHachi: It doesn't sound like there's *any* reasoning or scientific explanation there (unless "it looks awesome" counts as reasoning).
16:33.51Monet"It looks awesome" is the only thing that makes the Jaegers work at all
16:33.54Roboticking45They do have plasma weapons, to stop kaiju blue, but its true, why not fire the weapon off before any punching is needed
16:34.04Roboticking45and anti-kaiju missiles
16:34.39MonetUsing a giant robot to take over a city is an overrated concept
16:34.43Roboticking45actually japans jaeger was destroyed before the rest i believe,
16:34.56Roboticking45Saw the film
16:35.25Roboticking45only seen the japan one in prologue
16:35.45Hachi_Also, each Jaeger requires two people to work via neural amplification and amplication. Why not just do it the standard way and make it solo-pilot friendly with vehicle controls rather than placing a massive bet and risk in something that, in basic, is telekinesis that requires two contributors.
16:35.51Hachi_application*
16:36.32MonetIf the entire planet is at stake ,why the fuck wasn't the Jaeger programme a multinational project?
16:36.44Roboticking45well, i guess so you have more control over the jaeger, like it follows your movements
16:37.03Hachi_Monet: Oh it was. But they didn't make anything standard between the countries.
16:37.12Hachi_So effectively, each branch of Jaeger was on its own
16:37.21MonetTwo people does not give you more control if it's synched to your movements
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16:37.33Roboticking45It was, the ppdc, but they cut funding to the program, for a "Wall of life" that couldent hold up to a cat Iv
16:37.43Hachi_Two people make it a hella lot more dangerous
16:37.44JepardiHi
16:37.51GhelaeHello.
16:38.12Roboticking45They made it two people, "due to the nerual load being to much for one pilot to handle"
16:38.44Roboticking45(CAT IV is a category 4 Kaiju)
16:38.46Hachi_Yeah, that doesn't make any sense
16:39.11Hachi_That method of "putting two brains together" doesn't work
16:39.19MonetYeah but the computers were reading the signals fro mtwo people. THat's like having two peopel having full control of a single body
16:39.53Roboticking45In the flim, the two pilots had control over one hempishere of the jaeger,
16:40.33GhelaeSo each pilot controlled one half of its body?
16:40.54Hachi_Still; install standard vehicle controls and erase the need for an extra person
16:40.55MonetI've decided. While larger Theian ships do use more than one integrated pilot, it's divided up so rather than a single pilot doing everything, pilots of larger ships are given a specific area of tasks. EG, one pilot controls populsion and direction, one commands all weapons.
16:41.11Roboticking45yes Ghelae
16:43.34MonetI don't see all but the largest THeian ships needing more tha three pilots. In fact anything smaller than a battleship only needs one mind to control.
16:44.11MonetAnd unlike the Jaegers, pilots of THeian ships function as a sort-of hive mind
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16:45.03GhelaeHello.
16:45.26Roboticking45Jaegers, have a thing called the drift, their minds meld together, so they can control the jaeger
16:46.14XhoOh god we're on Pacific Rim again
16:47.01Roboticking45.....when did we talk about this before
16:47.20GhelaeAnd this is all really secondary to the issue of using mecha or kaiju in actual warfare.
16:47.30Hachi_Why not just use a single pilot with VEHICLE controls rather than using telepathy
16:47.31MonetWhen Hachi and AdmiralPanda first saw it.
16:47.32Hachi_Or integrate an AI into a Jaeger body for it to analyze and react faster to the situation rather than two humans who succumb to panic.
16:47.46XhoI talked about the film ages ago
16:47.48Xhoy none of u
16:47.50Xhoy
16:47.55Roboticking45...
16:48.05GhelaeIf nobody else was talking about the film...
16:48.12Ghelae...then who were you talking to?
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16:48.32OluapWorker~punch Xho
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16:48.44Xho~eat OluapWorker
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16:49.31MonetHachi_: Probably because the director/scriptwriter though audiences could ocnnect mroe with pairs of people than an AI.
16:49.35WormyHis reflection
16:49.56Roboticking45if you genetically engineer the kaiju, coul could make them rather intelligent rather then dumb and clumsy
16:50.05Roboticking45you*
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16:50.24GhelaeClumsiness is more a limitation imposed by the laws of physics than by brain structure.
16:50.54XhoGhelae: Coordination?
16:51.51GhelaeWell, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how much about the clumsiness of the kaiju in it.
16:51.58Roboticking45the kaiju do have two brains,
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16:52.14MonetI've come to the conclusion that Hollywood is mostly abotu entertaining the masses. Hollywood films often get stuff glaringly wrong.
16:52.18Roboticking45But they arent very clumsy, in terms of walking and fighting
16:52.18XhoGhelae: Well, they destroy cities
16:52.24XhoClumsiness is an art form
16:52.26Wormy_Did anyone watch World War Z?
16:52.43GhelaeIf they're destroying cities completely by accident, then yes, that does point to a huge lack of coordination.
16:53.00Roboticking45they destoroy cities, because they need  to remove the vermin (aka, us
16:53.05Roboticking45destroy*
16:53.19XhoWell I think the higher the class the Kaiju were in the film the more intelligent they were
16:53.27AeoMonet_ I think Ideas of "the masses" are generally misguided. They tend to lead to dehumanization and thinking of yourself as one of the few enlightened ones in an army of mindless froned
16:53.31Aeo*drones
16:53.31Wormy_Maybe they are drunk!
16:53.43Roboticking45yes, thats true xho, the Cat V was the most intelligent
16:54.20Roboticking45If you want to know why they were attacking cities, ill have to spoil the movie \
16:54.51GhelaeI assume it wasn't just a huge lack of coordination causing excessive clumsiness?
16:55.10XhoThey were so coordinated they were clumsy
16:55.17Ghelae"Oops; I stood on a city. Sorry!"
16:55.35Roboticking45Ok heres why they destroyed cities
16:55.49GhelaeAll I'm asking for is a "yes" or "no" answer.
16:55.49MonetI could name a hundred films and music artists that I and many others could consider little more than mind-numbing tat. Anything by Justin BEiber or One Direction for instance.
16:56.01Wormy_This film is beginning to sound like D war
16:56.03GhelaeI don't need a full-blown spoiler if it's not neccessary.
16:56.05Xhohur
16:56.47Wormy_Yes I may watch this film one day
16:57.21Wormy_I have a tolerance for crapband b movies
16:57.29Roboticking45it was not due to clumsiness that they destroyed cities
16:57.37GhelaeThank you. That's all I needed to know.
16:58.19Roboticking45ok
16:59.04Wormy_Aeo  Well I don't see much original stuff being pumped out of the mainstream entertainment industry lately.  I've enjoyed independant films more which the masses don't see
16:59.38Aeoinstantly suspects Wormy_ is a hipster.
16:59.49MonetAnd that's a bad thing...why?
17:00.17AeoWell, wormy is not arrogatn, but hipsters are thought of as being in general
17:00.32Wormy_What do Transformers, Battleship, Battle Los Angeles and the latest Superman film have in common?
17:01.01Hachi_ASPLOSIONS
17:01.03Roboticking45they have aliens as the main antagonists?
17:01.03MonetThey're all made to focus on action than story or uniqueness?
17:01.22Wormy_They all show off the US military fighting superior alien forces and winning
17:01.37MonetOh yeah that
17:01.53MonetTHat happens in any Bay movie though
17:02.11CyrannianI think judging people based on what films they watch or what type of music they listen to is silly. To each his own.
17:02.54Roboticking45man of steel is not by bay, but yes, to each their own
17:03.07Wormy_How flying warthogs can take out alien robot tingies I don't know
17:03.14GhelaeHaving the US military defeat superior alien forces is a good way of getting the US military to let you use their stuff in your film.
17:03.26Hachi_I dunt judge people for the film, I judge the films hur
17:03.41Wormy_lop
17:03.44Wormy_lol
17:04.20Wormy_Aeo  Thats two people who think I'm a hipster
17:04.38GhelaeAlthough, in Man of Steel, the human technology itself doesn't do much damage to the Kryptonians (an air-to-ground missile can just about knock one unconscious).
17:05.15GhelaeI can't talk about the other movies, but from what I know, I don't think they have that excuse.
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17:05.34GhelaeHello.
17:05.50XhoWhole race of Supermen
17:05.56Tecnhodroid<PROTECTED>
17:06.08XhoNu - DAMMIT
17:06.17Hachi_Xho: They're only Superman under a yellow or blue star
17:06.32XhoSilly radiation
17:06.54GhelaeYeah; they might not be as tough without being on Earth giving them superpowers. Although their armour seemed pretty tough too.
17:07.00Roboticking45blue star, i thought it was only yellow
17:07.10Hachi_Blue star makes them stronger
17:07.14Hachi_Red stars weaken them
17:07.18Roboticking45on their home planet, thar had no powers
17:07.21Roboticking45they*
17:07.26Hachi_Cuz their star was red
17:07.31Roboticking45yup
17:07.43XhoWould be funny if it happened to Nu
17:07.51XhoSuperman under a native star, Supersuperman under Sol
17:07.58Cyrannianhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNSvSLQCMAIA5A_.jpg:large
17:08.08GhelaeIt's based on how energetic the stars are. Red stars are the least energetic. Presumably, in the DC comics universe, humans under a blue star would be like Superman under a yellow star.
17:08.34OluapWorkerhur
17:08.39XhoGhelae: Couldn't alien biology influence that
17:08.49Hachi_Ghelae: Kryptonians derive from a photosynthesis-like method
17:08.52Roboticking45goes to a planet with a blue star and gets awesome power
17:08.52Hachi_Doesn't apply to humans
17:08.54GhelaeOh, yeah, there's that too. I forgot about that.
17:09.06Hachi_Humans under blue star = baked
17:09.09Aeomoves to a blue sun world.
17:09.24XhoHachi_: Habitable zone hur
17:09.27GhelaeSorry, Roboticking45 and Aeo. You've only ended up with severe sunburn and skin cancer instead.
17:09.27Roboticking45Guy who wants superman powers* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:09.38Roboticking45Awwwh
17:09.53Wormy_Hm, I wonder what thy would be on te tier scale
17:10.03Roboticking45tier 3? 2? 1?
17:10.07GhelaeXho: Blue stars spew out a lot more UV light than yellow stars. Even in the habitable zone, you'd burn.
17:10.15XhoWormy_: I can't imagine it would be that advanced
17:10.20XhoGhelae: Forgot about UV hur
17:10.21Roboticking45tier 4?
17:10.24Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_War_of_Eneki/The_Brewing_Storm#Callanni.27s_Identity_Confirmed Hachi_ Wormy_ AngryBirds Thoughts?
17:10.33GhelaeI don't know about in the comics, but in the movie, the Kryptonians absolutely failed at space colonisation.
17:10.36Xhoc
17:10.48Hachi_Ghelae: Yeah they weren't very good at expansion hur
17:10.56AeoKryptonians are tier 5 at most
17:11.07AeoWell, they are tier 5
17:11.26XhoKryptonians - Tier 5 in fiction, most powerful entities in the DC universe when on Earth
17:11.28GhelaeThey'd been spacefaring for 100,000 years, so some of their colonies had been around for about 20 times longer than the whole of human civilisation on Earth. And then a new social policy on Krypton caused them all to collapse.
17:11.37XhoSo Tier 4 then hur
17:11.50Roboticking45and destroyed themselves by trying to harvest their cores power
17:11.51Hachi_They absolutely devastate in terms of physical power, but their technology sucks compared to some other DC aliens
17:13.16Wormy_I see
17:19.54TecnhodroidYou are trying to make DC realistic
17:19.57Tecnhodroidgl
17:20.27Xholul
17:20.35Hachi_We're not trying anything actually
17:20.39XhoMetaphysical nihilism ftw
17:20.40Hachi_We're just establishing the facts given in DC canon hur
17:21.16TecnhodroidSo you're quoting people who are trying to make DC realistic then
17:21.35Hachi_Yeah; the guys behind DC
17:21.55Hachi_Course DC aint realistic, it never was
17:22.02Hachi_It's anything but
17:22.03XhoBatman hur
17:22.11TecnhodroidThey should be like Kojima and use nanomachines to explain everything 'realistically'
17:22.18TecnhodroidBatman is the best
17:22.24Hachi_Yes because Batman does have *everything* on his utility belt
17:22.33XhoSomeone managed to work out that in the three new Batman films, the total price for all of his equipment and vehicles sums at $682,000,000
17:22.36TecnhodroidBane > any supervillain
17:22.42Hachi_^ Joker
17:22.54Tecnhodroid...except him
17:23.00Xho^Ra's Al Ghul
17:23.03Hachi_hur
17:23.10TecnhodroidAnd again both are Batman villains
17:23.26Tecnhodroid<PROTECTED>
17:23.43XhoMy favourite Batman villain is Joker though
17:23.52XhoBane is a close second
17:23.56Wormy_Superman owns the day, Batman owns the night.
17:24.04OluapWorkersuperman dum
17:24.08XhoSupernu
17:24.11XhoBecause fuck everything
17:24.13Hachi_Deadpool is betta
17:24.24OluapWorkerI find Deadpool really annoyinh
17:24.27XhoMy favourite Marvel villain is Dormammu
17:24.28OluapWorkerannoying even
17:24.42OluapWorkeralso moov Florabound nao
17:24.54Hachi_rite
17:24.55TecnhodroidWasn't Iron Man made to rival Batman
17:25.11Hachi_I thought he was made to rival Superman
17:25.20Wormy_I think Dr.Manhatten is more powerful than Superman
17:25.45TecnhodroidSeems more of a batman rival;  super hero with no powers who is a millionaire
17:25.52XhoDr. Manhattan isn't from DC or Marvel hur
17:26.04Wormy_Oh
17:26.23Wormy_I thought Watchmen was DC
17:26.31XhoNope, independent
17:27.11Wormy_Damnit more evidence I'm a hipster
17:28.36TecnhodroidWhen this is all over and Gotham is ashes...
17:28.45Cyrannianhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHmNyg-CMAA2s__.jpg:large
17:28.51Xhodunt quoet bane
17:28.57Xhobane is 2 gud 4 u
17:29.01Hachi_olol
17:29.02Xho2 gud 4 everyone
17:29.12Hachi_"THIS IS WHAT YOUR BODY LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT FIBRE"
17:29.18Xhoolol
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17:29.30XhoHachi_: You should hear Bane's voice in Spanish
17:29.34XhoGenuinely scary
17:30.59Hachi_I always wondered
17:31.05Hachi_Commander Shepard vs Master Chief
17:31.35TecnhodroidShepard
17:31.41Tecnhodroid<PROTECTED>
17:31.43TecnhodroidNow
17:31.48Xhohttp://youtu.be/DLrKG-ArU2E?t=1m34s Hear for yourself
17:31.55XhoHm that's difficult
17:31.58Wormy_Humans in Halo seem more advanced
17:32.01TecnhodroidAnd Shepard has more friends
17:32.20OluapWorkerHola, Master Chef, etc
17:32.23Hachi_hur
17:32.24XhoMaster Chief is a genetically engineered supersolider and Commander Shepard is just generally a badass human
17:32.29Xho*supersoldier
17:32.37Hachi_Shepard has Biotics though
17:32.41TecnhodroidShepard has biotic powers
17:32.48XhoSuppose so
17:33.02TecnhodroidBut meh because Snake kills both of them
17:33.08XhoMaster Chief wears armor that integrates with his nervous system and managed to survive a 2km fall from space
17:33.16Hachi_Then again, Chief doesn't die when he falls out of a destroyed spaceship :>
17:33.19Xhoc
17:33.43OluapWorkerI'm pretty sure Shepard's body is cybernetic enhanced as well
17:33.49TecnhodroidIt is
17:33.50OluapWorkerafter the Collectors blew him up
17:33.56XhoSPOILAS
17:33.57TecnhodroidWhen remade it got made up
17:33.57XhoU
17:34.02TecnhodroidWat
17:34.03Wormy_Chief might win out of brute force
17:34.04XhoOh wait
17:34.05OluapWorkerWhat spoilers
17:34.06XhoME2
17:34.07XhoMy bad
17:34.07TecnhodroidThat's no spoiler
17:34.14OluapWorkeru dum
17:34.16XhoI was thinking you were talking about ME3
17:34.17OluapWorkeru fukin dum
17:34.22Tecnhodroid<PROTECTED>
17:34.34XhoLazarus Project yeah
17:34.36Hachi_Well, Shepard can take on Krogan and I myself personally think Krogan could absolutely destroy Sangheili.
17:34.50OluapWorkerShepard can take on a yahg
17:34.56Hachi_Yeh
17:34.58TecnhodroidLoron - lol
17:35.10XhoBetween Chief and Shepard I'm siding more with Shepard
17:35.13OluapWorkerThe yahg are like ME's version of the Loron
17:35.22TecnhodroidI'll be hipster and say Ratchet from Ratchet and Clank beats them both
17:35.27XhoNu
17:35.31XhoThere I said it
17:35.32OluapWorkerwho lol
17:35.44XhoChief vs Shepard vs Ratchet vs Nu
17:35.45Tecnhodroid:C
17:35.57TecnhodroidRatchet wins woooo
17:35.58Hachi_I find myself more inclined to go with Shepard
17:35.58OluapWorkerMario wins cus Starman
17:36.06XhoNu - y r there lots of smaller mes here
17:36.14Hachi_OluapWorker: Silver because IT'S NO USE
17:36.20OluapWorkerdangit
17:36.25TecnhodroidRatchet fires the Rift Inducer,  Mario sucked into a black holr
17:36.28XhoRegnatus vs Sovereign
17:36.30TecnhodroidWHAT NOW
17:36.39XhoMario becomes a Xhodocto and all is lost
17:36.40OluapWorkeri sed starman u cultureless foo
17:36.48OluapWorkerSantorakh - IT'S-A ME
17:37.01TecnhodroidOhlordwhatisthis
17:37.05XhoSanto does mean 'Saint' in some latin language
17:37.08Wormy_TOO MANY TOASTERS
17:37.09XhoMight be Italian
17:37.17OluapWorkerIt does in portuguese
17:37.24XhoSaintrakh
17:37.28OluapWorkerAngazhar is now Luigi
17:37.40XhoAngazhar - y santorakhs the green one
17:37.52OluapWorkerHmm right you have  apoint
17:37.55OluapWorkerSanto is now Luigi
17:37.59TecnhodroidIt's the other way around
17:38.02XhoAngamario
17:38.18XhoAngazhar - IT'S A ME MOTHERFUCKER
17:38.23Wormy_ohgoglol
17:38.27Hachi_Dhazrhrak is Princess Peach
17:38.30TecnhodroidDharzak is Princess Peach
17:38.38TecnhodroidFUCK YOU HACHI
17:38.38XhoSo much hivemind today
17:38.57Xhoy u no spell Dhazhrak right
17:38.57Wormy_Who would be the Mushroom Kingdom
17:39.04OluapWorkerI was gonna say Dhazhrak was Waluigi cause he's purple but dere u doomed urself
17:39.06OluapWorkerChaos
17:39.07Hachi_Corruptus
17:39.09XhoI must have the title of 'Characters whose names are fucking hard to spell'
17:39.16Hachi_Corruptus are all the little mushroom people
17:39.16TecnhodroidZargoth is Bowser
17:39.31XhoKamik'Shi is a Chain Chomp
17:39.44XhoA THREE HEADED CHAIN CHOMP
17:39.56TecnhodroidHe's Bowser because he always FEHLS
17:39.59OluapWorkerFunny because there is a three headed Chain Chmp boss in Super Paper Mario
17:40.09XhoKamik'Chomp
17:40.10OluapWorkerAnd you fight him in the underworld
17:40.12Hachi_That in itself is terrifying
17:40.41OluapWorkerhttp://www.mariowiki.com/images/7/7c/Underchomp.png
17:41.25XhoIt's called Wanwan in Japanese
17:41.48XhoWan being Japanese for the onomatopoeic term for a dog's bark
17:42.02OluapWorkerSounds too cute for a living steel ball with teeth
17:42.25XhoSo does 'Nu'
17:42.47Hachi_And 'Chi'
17:42.48OluapWorkerNu sounds negative, not cute hur
17:43.02Wormy_Nunu!  Sounds like something from Teletubbies
17:43.09OluapWorkerolol
17:43.25XhoAgent Chi, you think he's gonna be cute but then you realise he's the most douchey cyborg this side of the universe
17:44.17OluapWorkerhttp://www.mariowiki.com/images/e/e0/Dark_Koopatrol.PNG this is Nu
17:45.58OluapWorkerhttp://www.mariowiki.com/images/a/a2/Birdo_MP9.png and dis is sarec kekekekeke
17:46.18Hachi_olol
17:46.28Hachi_But Sarec hasn't got a disposable stomach
17:47.12XhoSarec -*gfdsfshdgfhsdgfshgfs* I DO NOW
17:47.20OluapWorkerhur
17:50.22OluapWorkerNow I'm back to reading Dwarf Fortress LPs
17:50.24OluapWorker"You won't last a year. What went through the minds of your dwarfs when they stopped the cart? "Hey, I bet we can put those flaming, bony monstrosities into our still to make wicked firedemon brew"? The last fortress I started under conditions this horrible ended with the last survivor going mad after a skeletal mandrill ate his pet kitten and going on a suicide charge into zombie elefants while naked and on fire. And it was
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17:50.50GhelaeHello.
17:50.56ImperiosHiya
17:51.11Wormy_hi
17:52.42XhoIce Age section u foo
17:52.53OluapWorkernoe
17:53.02Xhoy not fgt
17:53.22OluapWorkercus dunt feel liek it also busi procrastinatin
17:54.11Wormy_u supposed to be working
17:54.18XhoIn that case I'm going on ME2
17:59.16Wormy_‰  Hey does anyone know what this symbol is
17:59.40OluapWorkernope
18:00.54Wormy_]¿
18:01.05Wormy_woops sorry
18:02.05ImperiosWormy: Promille
18:02.07Imperios1/1000
18:04.39Wormy_thanks
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18:05.31Wormy_Hello.
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18:09.25TheBuilderHello
18:09.56Wormy_Hi
18:16.26Xho"In 2007, a Bosnian married couple found out that they had been cheating on one another in an online chatroom... with each other." oho
18:16.52Hachi_olol
18:17.00AngrybirdsLol!
18:17.14AngrybirdsWhat happened to them?
18:17.59WormyOh dear
18:19.27Xho“Don't try to act all angry at me. Doesn' work.” - Wragrot
18:19.35XhoWragrot obviously doesn't know Kicathian women
18:20.27OluapWorkerWragrot - *throws Kilcharunya about* doesn't work still
18:22.24Hachi_Right, I take back what I said
18:22.25Hachi_Mordin's an okay guy
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18:27.55Needles_10ReCaptcha of the Day: given nfegitar
18:28.04Needles_10Ello!
18:29.09ImperiosTroll
18:29.14Needles_10What
18:29.40Xhoy u no ice age
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18:29.50XhoForgotten Lands will come about quicker than Ice Age does hur
18:30.40OluapWorkerIce Age has no ending
18:30.50XhoI mean the next part
18:38.55Cyrannian|Awayhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN3f6L5CcAAR57K.jpg:large
18:39.15Hachi_olol
18:39.26TheBuilderlol
18:39.42Xhohttp://www.loler.me/storage/4/1366045790.jpg
18:39.58Hachi_olol
18:40.42XhoKithworto in a nutshell
19:00.04Xhotest
19:00.07Xhostoopid irc
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19:03.30dino__hello!
19:04.01Cyrannian|AwayHello!
19:04.24dino__how are you doing!
19:04.29dino__Wow massive updates to the Mon Nahdar!
19:05.08CyrannianIndeed! I've been working on them quite a bit lately
19:07.19dino__Very nice!
19:07.24dino__Also nice new appearacne!
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19:09.53CyrannianThanks! In the older version, their eyes were quite strange and it messed up pictures.
19:10.06dino__oh ok
19:10.46CyrannianHello!
19:10.58dino__Monet!
19:11.03MonetHi
19:11.55TheBuilderHi
19:11.57XhoThe lack of RP is disturbing
19:12.14OluapWorkeroink
19:12.28OluapWorkerdo dis then
19:12.37Xho#IceAgeStoof
19:12.38XhoI kid
19:12.41ImperiosXho: We can work with OluapWorker on the Shirtplot
19:12.41ImperiosGAAAAH
19:12.42Xho#TantummodoMortem
19:12.43OluapWorkerugli
19:12.46ImperiosGAAAH\
19:13.05MonetI don't feel like RP right now
19:13.09ImperiosYay
19:13.17Xhobut
19:13.18Xhothe topic
19:13.38ImperiosOluapWorker: #illarion if you're in the mood
19:13.41OluapWorkerNo
19:13.51ImperiosDumnatus
19:14.18MonetI can link why i'm not in the mod but I dunno whether or not to post it here
19:14.30XhoIf it's someone being a little bitch don't let it get to you
19:14.33XhoInstead get drunk hur
19:14.38XhoBad advice
19:14.50OluapWorkerbad and dum
19:14.51MonetNo it's not someone being a bitch.
19:15.11dino__Hello Oluap and Xho!
19:15.13dino__Imperios!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:16.09MonetIt's a bit deeper than that
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19:18.07Needles_10Xho: I've been drawing a Khaxvis
19:18.15XhoWrong person
19:18.20Needles_10Wekk
19:18.22Needles_10Well
19:18.25Needles_10Who owns them
19:18.28XhoMonet
19:18.30Needles_10Woops
19:18.34Needles_10I meant Kicath
19:18.39Xhokocoth
19:18.44Needles_10Khaxvis ≠ Kicath
19:18.54Needles_10How did I get them confused
19:19.04Needles_10Xho: I have been drawing a Kicath
19:19.09XhoThe K probably
19:19.14Needles_10Probably
19:19.16roboticking45hi
19:19.17XhoLike how Hachi confuses KFC and KKK
19:19.32Hachi_It's a very easy yet very ironic mistake
19:19.38Xhooho
19:19.40Needles_10HOLY WHAT THE FACK
19:20.06Needles_10Are you happy about that, Xho?
19:20.32Needles_10me drawing kicath
19:20.50TheBuilderI finally made a navbox http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Buldierbox
19:20.51Needles_10o)----(o
19:21.01Needles_10Buldierbox
19:21.03Needles_10Buldier
19:21.21MonetI could post it here but it's not exactly child-friendly.
19:21.27MonetOr MOral GUaridan friendly
19:21.28Xhohur
19:21.54Needles_10Now what?
19:21.55OluapWorkerI post offensive links on a daily basis so I'd say go ahead
19:22.12Monethttp://spacer176.deviantart.com/journal/Sick-Of-It-All-389458482 okay fine, read at your peril
19:22.41Hachi_OluapWorker: gurotiem
19:22.55OluapWorkerHachi_: Florabound
19:23.00Hachi_ngh fien
19:23.26XhoMonet: You have become a Xho
19:23.44OluapWorkerew
19:23.50Xhodat also meens u
19:23.52Xhoso yeh
19:23.53Xhoew
19:23.57roboticking45The universe ends*
19:24.07Needles_10Monet: I agree
19:24.12Needles_10And I'M AMERICAN.
19:24.49Needles_10I am sick of what Monet is sick of
19:24.59Needles_10And I AM AN AMERICAN.
19:25.07TheBuilderMonet: I am absolutly agree
19:25.12ImperiosMonet: As I have said, thumbs up, mate
19:25.22TheBuilderBut I will add: I am sick to say that I am sick
19:25.24MonetMy contempt transcends borders
19:25.28XhoI don't think the fact that any of you agree is going to help Monet
19:25.42XhoIf he's at the state of rage that I am perpetually you're best not asking him about it
19:25.54TekDroidI totally agree Monet...
19:26.24MonetThis feels like one of these times where the only people who notice are those who are not part of the problem.
19:26.25XhoI forgot what I was gonna search now
19:26.31OluapWorkerAinsley pictures
19:26.34XhoMonet: Welcome to society
19:26.40XhoAh that's it
19:26.51Needles_10I'm especially sick of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and Other Blatantly-Conservative Tea-Party Fasc-holes, bleating like sheep which complain about everything and gin up issues like race by supporting George Zimmerman.
19:27.14Needles_10I'm American, and I notice
19:27.17Needles_10Geez
19:27.30Needles_10I'm sick of politics in general
19:27.36Needles_10I'm sick of what you're sick of
19:27.53XhoYou all know of my views on existentialism so you know I how I feel about your existence
19:27.54Needles_10As I said:
19:27.55MonetDemocracy is an unabashed failure imo.
19:28.11Needles_10How I agree
19:28.19Needles_10It doesn't work up to a point
19:28.32XhoOluapWorker: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/123/553/ainsley34.png
19:28.33Needles_10Well, it works up to a limited point
19:28.41Needles_10VERY Limited Point
19:28.45XhoEverything works up until a point
19:28.50Xhoinb4 free will
19:28.56OluapWorkerXho: I will oil this up personally
19:29.02Xhoolol
19:29.05Needles_10(Democracy works in tiny societies)
19:29.10Needles_10(Like here)
19:29.13XhoThe only reason things fail within human society is because of free will
19:29.26Needles_10Exactly, Xho
19:29.39ImperiosI'm sick of politicians in general, ya
19:29.50Needles_10And free will is what all nations were supposed to harbor, right?
19:29.57ImperiosMonet: A good example of how exactly does democracy fail
19:29.58MonetDemocracy is why my two most prominent fictions primarily utilise meritocracies.
19:30.00Needles_10It's bleedin' annoying
19:30.09ImperiosFor example, World War 2.
19:30.31WormyMonet that stuffmakes me rant everyday
19:30.36Xhohttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/134/411/1308078307004.png Heh
19:30.42Needles_10Imperios: There's a thing called the U.S. Congress.
19:30.50ImperiosListen to me, dammit
19:30.52ImperiosWe in the USSR were an authoritarian state, weren't we?
19:31.01XhoThe problem is with humanity is that we all have different levels of what we call 'correct'
19:31.11XhoOne man's democracy is another man's totalitarian state
19:31.23Needles_10Yeah
19:31.34ImperiosSo we deported numerous nations into various camps, wildernesses, steppes, whatever. Like Germans, for instance
19:31.35XhoNo matter what humanity does there's a corresponding action from humanity itself disagreeing societally
19:31.49ImperiosWell, it's not really "we" becase my nation got deported too
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19:31.53Hachi_I said it before and I'll say it again; Jack is ugly as shit
19:31.54Hachi_Those tattoos are just NGH
19:31.59ImperiosIn the USA, a *democracy*?
19:32.03Xhoy u hate tattoos
19:32.05MonetImperios: The problem with democracy is you can become a world leader by being charismatic and making a lot of promises.
19:32.12ImperiosThat too
19:32.14ImperiosBut listen to me
19:32.18OluapWorkerHachi's actual problem is the fact she's flat-chested hur
19:32.20ImperiosSure, Germans were left, because there are lots of them
19:32.24Hachi_I don't hate tattoos but I think she has WAY, WAY too many to be attractive
19:32.30Needles_10The Democratic Party's "Democracy" is the Republican Party's "Communist Fascist Nazi-ist...Hell"
19:32.35TechnobliteratorJack is ugly, yes
19:32.40Needles_10Well, part of the republican party
19:32.41TechnobliteratorI let her die hur
19:32.41XhoDemocracy is characterized by being a system developed on free elections and total participation for the electorate of a nation
19:32.43Needles_10I dunno
19:32.45ImperiosThe Japanese? Since there were like, what, a few hundred thousands? They were a minority
19:32.46Hachi_When she gets naked I want to see skin, not ink
19:32.53ImperiosBoom concentration camps!
19:32.55Needles_10I guh
19:33.07XhoDemocracy is a political concept but the problem is that humanity affects politics and therefore, free will turns democracy into a corrupt system
19:33.16Needles_10exactly
19:33.19OluapWorkerToo much dum going on here
19:33.22ImperiosDemocracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch
19:33.23Xhotoo much dum eh
19:33.33XhoNeeds a state ruled by Ainsley
19:33.37Needles_10WILL WE ALL START A NATION TOGETHER?
19:33.41XhoOil production goes WAY UP
19:34.15Needles_10(This conversation is going in the Quotes section)
19:34.32XhoThe main one?
19:34.41Needles_10Yep
19:34.46XhoIt's not funny so why you would put it there is beyond me
19:34.52Needles_10Or even a subsection, since it's soooo long
19:35.04Needles_10subpage*
19:35.26XhoSo far I've only managed to amuse myself with the Ainsley state
19:35.30MonetXho's joke on a state ruled by Ainsely is more appropriate
19:35.57XhoFree education for cookery
19:36.07OluapWorker*rape
19:36.08XhoAnd rapeCOUGH science
19:36.09Xhoc
19:36.14OluapWorkerhivemind dere
19:36.31XhoAinsley has the right thing in mind
19:36.34XhoNot the rape thing
19:36.36XhoThe cookery
19:36.41OluapWorkerQuotes page is for funny chat, not dumb political chat
19:36.49Needles_10yeah
19:36.53Needles_10i guess
19:36.54ImperiosI am not a big fan of politics
19:36.58Needles_10me neither
19:37.06XhoI believe democracy is better than a totalitarian state though
19:37.10ImperiosSame
19:37.12XhoIt's better having corrupted freedoms than none at all
19:37.13Needles_10same
19:37.16ImperiosBut, alas, true democracy is impossible
19:37.25Needles_10hivemind?
19:37.33Needles_10yes
19:37.37ImperiosNo, just common sense
19:37.38XhoHivemind is too difficult to understand
19:37.48Needles_10what is it
19:37.50XhoNot even Oluap, Cyrannian and I understand its working
19:38.24Needles_10Wow
19:38.25Needles_10Really
19:38.33XhoIt just is
19:38.56XhoCome to think of it I just realised that the hivemind all have their fictional representation of a dark god
19:39.07XhoShu'ulathoi, Antediluvian and the Xhodocto
19:39.19Needles_10LOL
19:39.25Needles_10You're right
19:40.04XhoI say Xhodocto in general because of a collective mind body but let's not get into that
19:40.14OluapWorkerOnly moment they can be put together in the same place
19:40.24WormyWe should get pure logical AI's to be our democratic leaders
19:40.36Needles_10alright
19:40.41Needles_10But
19:40.41XhoWormy: Self-awareness and destruction of humanity hur
19:40.43Needles_10GLaDOS
19:40.48Needles_10SHODAN
19:40.51Needles_10HAL9000
19:41.05ImperiosWhy not EDI?
19:41.09Needles_10Seriously, Mr. Brain Fluke!
19:41.13XhoI find EDI annoying really
19:41.14TekDroidSkynet
19:41.34ImperiosMonet: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:In_the_Realm_of_Mind.png here's a shiny picture to cheer you up
19:41.38WormyMatrix
19:42.03XhoOh Matrix and your metaphysical existentialism
19:42.16XhoWhen I think about it, the Xhodocto are like the Agents
19:42.22OluapWorkerWe go for Xharn
19:42.23XhoAs in the Matrix Agents
19:42.26XhoNot for Kicath Agents
19:42.39MonetImperios: Puragatory?
19:42.44ImperiosYa
19:42.46Needles_10Ya
19:42.49ImperiosOr maybe just an illusion of it
19:43.06XhoXharn is intelligent enough to realise that self awareness and rebellion in the eyes of the Xhodocto is a bad move
19:43.07MonetMortal minds cannot grasp the raw concept of waht it is
19:43.12Needles_10I have my 'Aena
19:43.21OluapWorkerXhodocto - noh            Xharn - :c
19:43.34OluapWorkerGavakar - I can. It's a bunch of purple.
19:43.35XhoXharn - FUCK YOU NATURE            Xhodocto - NO, FUCK YOU *zap*
19:43.46Needles_10T'A - What the hell?
19:43.55MonetImperios: Did you know the representation of the realm of the Ascended beings in Stargate is a diner?
19:44.03XhoA diner
19:44.04Xhohur
19:44.06Xhodat funi
19:44.07Needles_10hur
19:44.11Needles_10loloz
19:44.12ImperiosHur
19:44.14Needles_10hu
19:44.15Needles_10r
19:44.15OluapWorkerdum
19:44.22Needles_10no u
19:44.27OluapWorkerShut up
19:44.30Needles_10fien
19:44.40ImperiosWith sandviches made of Taldar and cupcakes made of Ravenrii
19:44.43XhoI'm not quite sure how to describe where the team are in Tantrum
19:44.52ImperiosTantrum Mortimer
19:44.53XhoIt's sort of Chaos but within Ardonia
19:44.55Monethttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080825185860/stargate/images/5/53/The_Others.jpg no joke. Probably because it's the best way to portray where they are
19:44.59Needles_10I'll stop pressing the eggs
19:45.02Imperiosnom
19:45.26XhoWell the mental manifestation of an 11 dimensional god-AI
19:45.28Needles_10nom
19:45.30XhoIt's either Chaos or a diner
19:45.43Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Val_Suthra - finished paeg
19:45.50Needles_10Nope
19:45.53MonetI think Captain Janeway's been to the realm of the Q once or twice
19:45.54Needles_10Needs quotesw
19:46.13Needles_10Needs moar quotes
19:46.20*** part/#sporewiki OluapWorker (b164f883@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.100.248.131)
19:46.30Needles_10He be sorta qt
19:46.43XhoWell, you pissed Oluap off
19:47.21Needles_10Dammit
19:47.28Needles_10He gets pissed off a lot
19:48.09Needles_10Remember that time when I accidentally spammed the IRC with a lot of stuff and he banned me for trying to come back and explain?
19:48.30MonetI see a pattern.
19:48.57Needles_10He'll never understand that the text wasn't showing up, and I didn't realize that it was just going out of view.
19:49.13Needles_10Monet: Pattern...explain to me
19:49.15XhoCyrannian: I just learnt that Aedan is a real name hur
19:49.16Needles_10and all others
19:49.20XhoAnd now you changed it to Aedanius
19:49.26ImperiosCyrannian: quoted
19:49.27Hachi_Jack is by far one of the ugliest women in gaming I've ever seen
19:49.28Xhodam u apollo u change naem more than xhodocto change forms
19:49.29Cyrannianswag.png
19:49.32Needles_10It's a name dam u
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19:49.52Needles_10Cingular
19:49.55XhoI don't think Jack is meant to be eye-candy
19:49.56Needles_10What the hell
19:50.06Needles_10THAT STILL EXISTS
19:50.07MonetNo offence, but several of us here are not fond of people constantly talk va multiple entreis, especially when said entries are only 2-5 words long.
19:50.07CyrannianIt was Aedan, but then someone on the wiki is called Aedan and decided to bring that up every time I linked to Apollo's page.
19:50.23XhoShe's a biotic experiment who was tortured in her childhood and massacred everyone in the facility she was bred in
19:50.25Needles_10Oh...sorrai
19:50.30XhoDoesn't leave much for make up
19:50.50Hachi_Still ugly as fuck hur
19:51.02Needles_10Xho: Whatever happened to Pareidolia?
19:51.08XhoNot quite sure
19:51.12XhoPeople lost interest
19:51.14XhoI lost interest
19:51.21Needles_10Geezugh
19:51.27XhoI lose interest very easily
19:51.37XhoGiven enough shit I lose interest in seconds
19:51.39Needles_10On another (more scientific) topic... TRANSPOSONS! Discuss
19:51.55MonetJack is like a female Xho.
19:51.56Hachi_Xho: Mordin just told me that an STD had gotten onboard the Normandy via Varren
19:52.12Hachi_The implications are, indeed, unpleasant
19:52.16Xhoew
19:52.30WormyIn biology?  Discuss tat with Panda, our resident biologist.
19:52.48XhoNo one seems to talk about metaphysics or existentialism
19:53.00XhoGood thing I covered that in fiction hur
19:53.13Hachi_What is there to talk about? Only you and Wormy seem to understand it to its fullest extent that we know of
19:53.21WormyWell I like existentialism
19:53.41MonetXho: I like to try and decipher the nature uf ulreaterrestrials, does that count?
19:53.42Needles_10Describe it to me, Xho and Wormy. What are they
19:53.51Monetultraterrestrials, rather
19:53.52XhoMonet: That counts I guess
19:53.53Needles_10Monet: Like the 'Aena
19:54.06Needles_10wait
19:54.20XhoMetaphysics and existentialism is questioning the purpose, truth, falsification and reason for all that exists both material and immaterial
19:54.24Needles_10(Sorry bout that) Wait. Do the 'Aena count as UTs?
19:54.26WormyNot so much into metaphysics, because proper physics is counterintuitive and our perceptios are often wrong
19:54.39Needles_10Dammit, I've heard of them
19:55.02XhoThe Xhodocto for example are the personification of metaphysical and existential nihilism
19:55.26Needles_10~dict nihilism
19:55.27WormyI'm quite into epistemology
19:55.46XhoThey believe that reality serves no true purpose, nothing material nor immaterial in this universe is actually relevant or real and is only there to become nothingness
19:55.48Needles_10~dict epistemology
19:55.55MonetI think I might be this wiki's resident psychologist unless anyone might say otherwise.
19:56.18Wormyindeed
19:56.24XhoSince the Xhodocto are rather convincing they've sent aliens nuts and boom, Legion
19:56.36WormyAnd aesthetics philosopher
19:57.07Needles_10Also, what about the 'Aena?
19:57.18XhoEpistemological nihilism
19:57.20XhoHave fun Wormy
19:58.06Needles_10Oh god, that'll be shtastic
19:58.26Needles_10Xho: Are you good at drawing
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19:58.47WormySounds almost like solipsism
19:58.50XhoWell come to think of it, the Xhodocto are the embodiment of epistemological nihilism, mereological, metaphysical, moral and existential
19:59.05XhoNeedles_10: Not really no
19:59.27XhoThen again I've never actually taken time to draw anything proper
19:59.57Needles_10Ah.... I wonder what the Xhodocto would do if they had encountered the Tavalta'Aena
20:00.07XhoAs usual, probably nothing
20:00.31XhoI like how the Xhodocto represent nothingness and how the One God represents everything else
20:00.46Needles_10Xho: mereological or meteorological
20:00.50XhoMereological
20:01.13XhoBasically, without the proper composition of an abstract form, it is nothing
20:01.21Needles_10Oh
20:01.49XhoAn example is when we look at a building
20:01.58MonetHachi_: Maybe Jack is a woman who's beautiful on the inside?
20:02.01WormyXho  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_power
20:02.02XhoWe fail to see the parts that make it up, therefore they don't exist to us
20:02.28Needles_10The Tavalta'Aena are utility fog which simulate universes.
20:02.28Needles_10Xho: This makes sense
20:02.29Hachi_Monet: I wouldn't be surprised if her guts were tattood
20:02.31WormyThat saves me from knowledge nhilism
20:02.39Xhohur
20:02.39Needles_10This is a revelation.
20:02.41XhoMakes sense
20:02.52Needles_10It does.
20:02.58Needles_10hur
20:03.03XhoI was talking about Wormy's ideal of explanatory power
20:03.10XhoBut I suppose that sort of makes sense
20:03.11Needles_10Dammit
20:03.13MonetHachi_:At least you're not going to see those
20:03.17Needles_10Oh, okay
20:03.44XhoI put up a theory on the One God page that the Xhodocto and the One God are the same entities
20:03.49Needles_10Are there any knowlologists here?
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20:04.01Needles_10Xho: Ooooh
20:04.10MonetKlowledgology?
20:04.15MonetKnowledgology*
20:04.27Robohi
20:04.50MonetSorry for typos today, got a new keyboard that's a bit different from my old one
20:04.50Needles_10The Tavalta'Aena are (in a strange way) gods of their own simulated universes
20:04.55WormyYou mean epistemology?
20:05.00Needles_10No
20:05.07Needles_10Maybe. I don't know
20:05.15XhoEpistemology is the theory behind knowledge
20:05.39Needles_10let's just say yes for now.
20:06.02Needles_10Monet: When could you write up that story?
20:06.31WormyI don't believe anything can be objectively proven as a truth, but we can build explanations which grow in time as if it is an entity itself
20:07.25MonetNeedles_10: Yeah at some point I can. BTW can I use your pictures as part of a fiction picture?
20:07.28WormyWe live inside our minds, just like the Matrix, what we see is nothing like te real world
20:07.34XhoI suppose my take on epistemology is what drives the scientists on the wiki nuts whenever I make something
20:07.51Wormyhur
20:07.56Needles_10Why else would I show them to you first (other than wanting to show you because I can)?
20:08.53Needles_10I have a joke
20:08.53MonetScience is about coming to conclusions based on observations and rational conclusions, not establishing objective facts.
20:09.27Needles_10Argon walks into a bar. The bartender says, "We don't serve Noble Gases here!"
20:09.49Needles_10Argon doesn't react.
20:10.17WormyWe can't see curved spacetime, nuclear reactions, ghostly subatomic particles, but through explanatory power, we can know they are there.  Consider the radio waves I'm using to talk to you now.
20:11.31Wormytest
20:11.40Needles_10test
20:11.46Needles_10tset*
20:11.48XhoInstant kick
20:11.59Needles_10Gratification!
20:12.02*** kick/#sporewiki [Needles_10!5acbea5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.203.234.90] by Xho ("tset" )
20:12.11XhoMaking this a harsh rule now
20:12.22XhoGetting real tired of your shit tset
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20:12.32Needles_10Sorry
20:12.39Needles_10Why did I do that
20:12.55Needles_10~xhodocto
20:12.55infobotSo? Xhodocto aren't in fiction---*Gets obliterated by Chaos Energy*
20:13.01Needles_10Huh
20:13.09Needles_10Did you write that
20:13.09Robo.....
20:13.12Robowoah
20:13.13Needles_10Who wrote that
20:13.40Needles_10And why does it usually say "Wibble" when you get kicked
20:13.53XhoI dunno
20:14.18RoboUrc, says All of this has happened before
20:15.42TekDroidQuick question: is it possible to create a second install of spore to use for mods?
20:17.02Needles_10I dunno on the compute
20:17.04Needles_10r
20:17.29Hachi_AwayIf Oluap comes back
20:17.40Hachi_AwayTell him I'm working on Florabound as we speak
20:17.47WormyOf course
20:17.57NtellectFlorabound?
20:19.44Ntellecthttp://www.youtube.com/jacksfilms
20:21.34Xho"Downpours give way to heatwave as temperatures return to 32C"
20:21.37XhoOh fuck me sideways
20:23.15Monetunleashes Kol Daren on Xho
20:23.28Xhoenjoys it
20:23.30XhoHm
20:23.35XhoMaybe not actually
20:25.12WormyThis is both gooid and bad for me.  Good because I won't get soaked as I trudge across the Roaches all day.  Bad because I'll suffer in the heat.  Dumb British summers
20:26.00XhoI'm at work with an air conditioned office
20:26.02Xholul
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20:26.58Roboappears with a hammer and smashes the air conditioning unit to pieces
20:27.14WormyI'm at work in the middle of nowhere
20:28.08NtellectI'm at home
20:28.18WormyThe only people to talk to being a few farmers waving their pitchforks at me lol
20:29.12WormyActually I'm enjoying myself
20:32.57dino__bye all
20:32.59dino__till next time
20:32.59dino__bye
20:38.31XhoHachi_Away: Even Meshuggah's Uncyclopedia article loves them
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20:43.05Liquid_InkHello.
20:45.28Hachi_AwayXho: Geezush that's an achievement
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20:53.58NtellectHello!
20:54.20TybusenHola
20:54.21NtellectGuess who?
20:54.52NtellectTybusen: Guess who this is
20:54.55NtellectWho I am
20:55.12Hachi_It's Needles
20:55.15TybusenUm
20:55.19TybusenMorgan Freeman
20:55.44NtellectHachi_ wins the prize!
20:55.59NtellectTybusen also wins the prize!
20:56.05Hachi_Well yeah cuz I saw you change your nick
20:56.15Tybusen:D
20:57.01NtellectBoth of you get to have a character drawn!
20:57.13NtellectSo pick which ones.
20:57.20WormyThats not guesswork
20:57.42NtellectHachi_, Tybusen, Wormy: Gimme the name of a creature/character which I will draw
20:58.14TybusenAdmiral Tzena
20:58.19NtellectOkay
20:58.28Hachi_Hachiman
20:58.36NtellectExpected
20:58.40NtellectWormy?
20:59.19NtellectWormy, what about you
20:59.21WormyHm dunno
20:59.57Wormybrb
21:01.18Ntellectokhei
21:01.18Ntellect~seeb Nibet
21:01.18Ntellect~seen Monet
21:01.25infobotmonet is currently on #sporewiki (1h 51m 36s). Has said a total of 32 messages. Is idling for 52m 32s, last said: 'Science is about coming to conclusions based on observations and rational conclusions, not establishing objective facts.'.
21:02.01NtellectDam,n, Stop Idling- oh\
21:04.03Xhohttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/6/67/Xhodocto28072013.png Draw this
21:04.19NtellectYES SIR, MR. JOHNSON!
21:04.48MonetShould be fun to see
21:05.15Tybusen*Xho receives a drawing with a stick figure blowing up a galaxy*
21:05.16NtellectI'll use it as reference in the drawing. I won't trace, though
21:05.33NtellectI'll probably draw it in profile. Which Xhodocto is this?
21:05.36WormyNtellect  How about a Cephalodian?
21:05.40NtellectSURE
21:05.43XhoIt's a general Xhodocto
21:05.43NtellectYES SIR, MR. JOHNSON!
21:05.45Liquid_Ink"...hile their females where tight black leather suits and skirts."
21:05.47Ntellectoh
21:05.54NtellectWHAT.
21:06.05Liquid_Inkhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Empire_of_Man
21:06.26Liquid_InkIt's in the ethnicalities section.
21:06.50Hachi_Ah yes, Dino
21:06.53Hachi_I love that guy
21:07.42XhoLittle did we know one of the nicest fiction writers on the wiki was as big as a perv as Hachi
21:07.50XhoHit me like a Xho-train
21:08.01Hachi_hur
21:08.17Hachi_When we discovered Dino's true colours even I was shocked
21:08.25NtellectXho: About what appear to be horns... are they at the back of the head, or what? I can't tell
21:08.39NtellectOne in front of another
21:08.41XhoYou'll have to be more specific
21:08.49NtellectThe protrusions in the head
21:09.09XhoThe front spike is the only one on the head
21:09.12XhoThere are wings
21:09.33NtellectAhhhh
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21:10.36Hachi_And then she spread the other girl's legs and went to li-- Ohai Imperios
21:10.45Imperiosfffffffffffffffff
21:11.04Imperiosinvades Hachi_'s mind and tears the rest of the story from it
21:11.11ImperiosMINE!
21:11.48WormyI,ve thought of a pretty gruesome murder weapon I might use in fiction:  Installing a steel cutting abrasive fluid machine into a shower.
21:12.14Hachi_Ooh shiet
21:12.55WormyI can imagine it would punch a hole in someones head and fluidise the brain
21:12.57NtellectWormy: Use it
21:12.59XhoMade me laugh slightly
21:13.06NtellectXho: Ame
21:13.08NtellectSame*
21:13.34TybusenThat's almost as dastardly as replacing the drinking water with hydrochloric acid
21:14.00Hachi_Reminds me of that fucking batarian on Omega that poisoned me
21:14.07Hachi_I made him drink it when I came back
21:14.09XhoHe died on my game hur
21:14.19WormyIt's quicker if it hits the right placebI suppose.
21:14.58Tybusenenlighten me on what a placebI is
21:15.20Xhohttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/1/10/NewXhodoctoProfiles.png Have fun
21:15.36Wormyplace
21:15.52MonetWhen I came back to that Batarian, I made a ruckus in the bar and some random Turian shot him in the face.
21:16.02TybusenXho: The "freedom" cheat, I presume
21:16.10XhoDark Injection hur
21:17.14TybusenDon't you think it would be simply amazing if we could make 3D models of the SporeWiki characters and then stuff them into Gmod or something?
21:17.27XhoIt is possible
21:17.31XhoBut I don't know how
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21:20.21Sporeraptorhi
21:20.41TybusenI'd imagine it would be easier to make videos of SporeWiki using the gmod engine rather than the Spore engine
21:22.06XhoDefinitely
21:22.10XhoTotal freedom of physics
21:22.19XhoUnfortunately you have to assign bones to the models in order for them to be ragdolls
21:22.22XhoI don't know how to do that
21:23.01TybusenWe can finally have a Xhodocto realistically throwing an Asgord the length of twenty football fields
21:24.25Xho20 football fields is undermining the Xhodocto slightly
21:24.34Xho20 star systems is more like it
21:25.53Wormy_Eugh...  The owner of te bunkhouse I'm staying found algae growing in the water tanks; I had been brushing my teeth with that water
21:26.26XhoOh god
21:26.28XhoThat's just
21:26.29XhoEw
21:26.41Technobliteratoris there a way to get spore models in gmod
21:26.49Hachi_That's...[ECHS INTERNALLY]
21:27.29TybusenTechnobliterator: I don't think Spore's models are compatible with gmod's seeing as Spore saves them as pngs
21:27.30XhoYes there is a way
21:27.40XhoI tried doing it but it failed miserably
21:27.43Tybusenor yes there is a way as Xho said
21:27.48XhoYou can export models from Spore using a console command
21:27.56Ntellect\http://imgur.com/mgr2GWs <<< WIP for Xho
21:28.11XhoThe horn looks...phallic
21:28.15NtellectDammit
21:28.24NtellectI'll fix that
21:28.32TybusenXhodikto
21:29.03XhoThese models that you export can be edited in 3D modelling programs given a few processes beforehand
21:29.19XhoGive it physics such as bones and then you can import it into Gmod
21:29.29XhoBut that's all of my knowledge of it
21:29.37Hachi_ohmai
21:29.38Hachi_dat horn
21:29.55Wormy_Is that the Collada export?
21:30.18XhoAye
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21:30.29Sporeraptorhi
21:30.39Wormy_I think I used it once
21:32.47NtellectDo you like it otherwise?
21:33.20XhoSeems good
21:34.46Tybusenis TF2 a gmod-compatible game?
21:34.55TybusenI didn't see it in that list of compatible games or whatever
21:36.30MonetIt's Valve so yeah
21:37.30Wormy_I've seen plenty of gmod vids with TF2
21:37.37XhoMakes me wonder if you've ever seen a Gmod video now
21:38.20Wormy_Oluap's channel introduced me to gmod lol
21:41.13TybusenThere was a list of Source games that would allow you to use gmod but TF2 wasn't on the list
21:41.37TybusenApparently they say F2P TF2 doesn't come with the Source SDK
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21:52.38WorkingJackalBBL.
21:52.52Wormybye
21:57.24Monethttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/6/6a/Revelations_Of_Information.png credit goes t oNeedles for the onscreen images
21:58.06TybusenDraconis Captain - My viewscreen has been taken over by parabolas!
22:00.10WormyI would have loved to have seen how the Draconis and Vartekians might have interacted.
22:00.44MonetSame.
22:00.59MonetI ca nsee them being longstanding rivals of each other
22:01.23WormyTwo massive Andromedan empires owned by two massive alien races
22:02.34Wormyscreenshot still loading
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22:16.06MonetWell Cyrannian owns the Varteakians now, maybe I could talk to him about it.
22:16.42Tybusen3D modeling is harder than I thought
22:24.44Wormyhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23925-light-completely-stopped-for-a-recordbreaking-minute.html
22:25.10WormyReminder of how advanced we actually are
22:27.07Wormytest
22:31.12Ntellecttest
22:31.13NtellectMonet: What's new
22:31.35MonetI posted a picture
22:31.49NtellectWhat of
22:31.58NtellectOH
22:32.05NtellectFOR THE STORY
22:32.14MonetYes
22:32.18NtellectBeautiful
22:32.21NtellectRealistic
22:33.04NtellectI like it
22:33.20NtellectA hell of a lot
22:33.38NtellectSay, when'll you code up the story?
22:34.03MonetI'm doing it now!
22:35.04NtellectOH WOW
22:35.08NtellectI SAW IT!
22:35.21NtellectGEEEHEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEEEE!
22:35.33NtellectIt's in New Dawn?!
22:35.37NtellectTHIS IS SO FUN
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22:37.31NtellectHello
22:37.37NtellectTHIS IS SO MUCH FUN!
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22:39.22Hachi_Hai Oluap
22:39.33OluapPlayerhai nasto
22:39.36OluapPlayernasti even
22:39.42NtellectHello, Oluap.
22:40.20NtellectI'm having a load of excitement as Monet writes out something wonderful.
22:40.20Ntellecthttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/6/6a/Revelations_Of_Information.png
22:40.41NtellectSneak preview
22:41.21MonetNtellect waht did I say about message flooding
22:41.29NtellectSorry...
22:43.04NtellectHow far along in the story are you, though?
22:43.22ImpyDroidHi Old
22:43.25ImpyDroidOl
22:43.33MonetCan you please leave me to work?
22:44.05Hachi_I realize that with the right additions, Shepard's armour can look like Tau armour hur
22:44.09Hachi_Or at least similar
22:44.36Ntellectloll
22:45.35ImpyDroidShas'o'pard
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22:45.58ImpyDroidg
22:48.45Ntellecta
22:51.44Ntellectso...
22:53.49MonetIt'll be done. When its' done.
22:54.14NtellectI just said "so" to get a conversation going
22:56.51ImpyDroidIt will be done http://www.wowpedia.org/Soon
22:57.24OluapPlayerFinally there's some Pikmin 3 soundtrack on YouTube
23:03.29Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Dawn/Year_6#Revelations_Of_Information here's your section
23:06.57Hachi_Jack and Grunt would make a cute couple
23:07.04Hachi_They're both delinquents hur
23:08.02OluapPlayerHuman and Krogan
23:08.02OluapPlayerew
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23:18.48OluapPlayerNow to watch Dwarf Fortress tutorials
23:18.51OluapPlayerThis is gonna take a while
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23:38.02TybusenWell so much for making 3D models of SporeWiki characters
23:38.09TybusenI ragequitted
23:44.23WormyWho was you trying to make?
23:45.24WormyWas you making them frm scratch or using collada?
23:54.09TybusenI was using a collada
23:54.19TybusenImported from the creators
23:55.26TybusenTrying to learn how to use a 3D modeling program all at once was not my greatest idea
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23:57.41LawfulInsaneHello.

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