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15:11.09Ghelae~hi
15:11.09infobothello, ghelae
15:11.24Ghelae~how are you?
15:11.24infoboteh, ok, Ghelae
15:11.32WormyDoes anybody want to enter Hilight's competition with me?  You only have today and tomorrow to build however http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=advasrch-+tags%24%22dascsummer2012%22%3Afl-NEWEST
15:12.02MonetCrap. I was wondering abotu entering.
15:12.32WormyYou can do what you like, but it must be derived from these parts, the only rule is not to remove them http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=advasrch-+tags%24%22dascsummer2012%22%3Aidx-20%3Afl-NEWEST
15:16.40*** join/#sporewiki Catface (46f2a3e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.242.163.231)
15:16.49CatfaceHi
15:17.25GhelaeHello.
15:18.11MonetOkay so whatever I build it has to contain those three components on design-a-ship part I or II?
15:23.04CatfaceHas anyone every misread something?
15:23.10CatfaceEver
15:23.17CatfaceDammit words!
15:23.18XhoMany times
15:23.26Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/25/Kicathnewconcepts.png also possible new look for the Kicath
15:23.37WormyMonet: Part II
15:24.08WormyHello Catface
15:24.15CatfaceHi
15:24.15Hachi_Dammit Xho, you need to teach me the art of Spore
15:24.23Hachi_I'm shit in creature creator
15:24.53CatfaceFrom what I learned you just gotta mess around with it until you find a way to make your things look good.
15:24.57Hachi_Ship creator, I think I'm okay in
15:25.11XhoI've been making those Kicath for over an hour trying to get the best possible look
15:25.22XhoIt's really on how you spend your time
15:25.38WormyMonet: My link didn't work for some reason  http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Hilight%7C2264009431%3Asast-500857455895
15:25.53XhoAbout 50 of those minutes was trying to get the skin texture right
15:26.14GreatDestroyer12made a new turret
15:27.44MonetI must have spent a good two hours on that building.
15:28.34CatfaceMy back hurts.
15:28.37WormyI spend about 2 hours on that spaceship, some of it last night, some of it today
15:29.29CatfaceWormy: I think I'm going to edit a part of our Slendy story here before long.
15:31.55Wormycool, okay
15:35.37Wormy~bored
15:35.37infobotLa ... lalalala ... beer!
15:35.59WormyDon't have any beer.
15:36.08Wormy~boring
15:36.08infobotyes, you are wormy
15:36.16Wormy~no u
15:36.58WormyInfobot doesn't play that game then.
15:37.27Wormy~sing to me
15:37.34Wormy~sing
15:37.34infobotI'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!
15:37.48CatfaceBad infobot!
15:37.51Wormy~play with me
15:37.59Wormy~play
15:37.59infobotand now, for something completely different
15:40.30Catface~eat Wormy
15:40.30infobotACTION slurps up all the Wormy available
15:40.46Wormy<PROTECTED>
15:41.03WormyBTW, some n00b contacted me on Spore last night
15:41.20WormyMagicUser83 commented "Don't suck up to Excalibur anymore, I've learned his secret check out my latest creation to learn about that fiend"
15:41.35Catfacewat
15:41.47Wormyhttp://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500858135845
15:42.08WormyI told him I didn't give a damn what goes on in the MPN
15:42.17WormySo he contacted the wrong guy
15:45.08WormyGreatDestroyer12: Is this your ship?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Spore_2012-07-16_00-49-34.png  It's quite good
15:45.14Wormythe bigger one
15:45.16CatfaceWormy: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Der_Gro%C3%9Fmann/Tales#Richard_Blauvelt:_Journal_Entry_.237_Date:_May-8-2784
15:45.22Wormyyay
15:46.03WormyCool I'll write mine in a bit
15:46.42Catfacek. Things are about to go down.
15:48.50GreatDestroyer12yup
15:48.53GreatDestroyer12its my ship
15:49.07MonetI don't want that flying at me.
15:49.15GreatDestroyer12i wanted it to be a departure from earlier Drakodominatus design
15:49.54GreatDestroyer1225km of Norse Sea Monster Myth in space heading right at oyu
15:50.31MonetI think I will make an adventure based in Araveene.
15:51.24GreatDestroyer12thanks for the compliment wormy
15:51.33Wormythats okay
15:54.17GreatDestroyer12the kraken is supposed to represent a new wave of Drakodominatus ship designing thought
15:55.05WormyDo the tentacle/cable things move?
15:55.42GreatDestroyer12in fiction? or in game?
15:55.48WormyIn fiction
15:56.31GreatDestroyer12they are supposed to be the hyperlasers of the kraken
15:56.48GreatDestroyer12they can move
15:57.18MonetTO make things interesting, I will set it in the undersections of Araveene.
15:57.47MonetFor the same reason the Doctor never took martha Jones to the topside of New Earth.
15:58.16WormyThus guy is cool, if you are lucky you'll spot him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didi_Senft
15:59.26Wormyhttp://www.mtb-windhaag.com/uploads/pics/senft_news.bbc.co.uk_01.jpg
16:01.42MonetYou always get at least one crazy.
16:02.08CatfaceWhat is wrong with crazy?
16:03.05Wormyhttp://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tdf_07_24/t25_19701607.jpg
16:03.25MonetNothing, grazy is good most of the time.
16:03.29WormyLol look Catface http://rollandrock.typepad.com/davidbach/images/2008/04/11/guitar_bike_didi_senft_b.jpg
16:03.36MonetIssac newton and Galileio were crazy.
16:03.46Catfacelawlz
16:04.18GreatDestroyer12have you guys seen a beautiful mind?
16:04.59WormyOh this guy is awesome http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Didi_Senft_06.jpg  http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2010/05/04/s100504_08puckman-pg-horizontal.JPG  http://online.wsj.com/media/0324pod15.jpg
16:05.40Wormybeautiful in what way?
16:06.18CatfaceI bet he would be an awesome grandpa.
16:06.26WormyI know of math genius's who's mathematics are so complex and elegant beyond my understanding
16:06.44GreatDestroyer12well its about the mind of john nash
16:06.53WormyAnd my understanding of maths is terrible
16:07.24WormyAh yes, a mathematician
16:09.17WormyNot seen the movie
16:09.58GreatDestroyer12john nash has got to be one of my fave mathematicians
16:10.14WormySome idiots threw tacs on the road in the Tour De France causing loads of punctures
16:10.21WormyYeserday
16:11.14WormyOne of mine favourite mathematicians was the one (Kant?) who's maths turned him insane
16:11.23GreatDestroyer12Immanuel kant was a philosopher
16:11.36WormyI think he was working on hyperdimensional cubes
16:11.43GreatDestroyer12tesseracts?
16:11.56WormyYeah
16:12.28GreatDestroyer12hmm i wouldnt know
16:12.40GreatDestroyer12dimensional mathematics has always astounded me
16:12.54WormyI think I'm thinking of Cantor
16:13.10CatfaceWormy Monet: This is what traditional Tralor music would sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EXzfpS6WK4
16:13.21GreatDestroyer12mebbe
16:13.30GreatDestroyer12but dimensional mathematics would solve m theory
16:15.30Catfacetest
16:15.33GhelaeHello.
16:15.35CatfaceHi
16:16.07WormyGD12: This program was includes Georg Cantor's whose maths sent him insane    Dangerous Knowledge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIYh6zJeutk
16:17.13GreatDestroyer12math is all about discerning patterns, and if you are mathematical enough to discern even the most infitesmal ones
16:17.19GreatDestroyer12your life turns into hp lovecraft
16:18.15WormyCat: Sounds like music from Indonesia, in particular "Pacific Ring of Fire" series
16:18.52CatfaceBecause it is Indonesian music :V
16:19.27WormyI am interested in mathematics and how it relates to the universes's physical laws.  But I have no understanding of maths, you see, I'm probably discalculic
16:19.55GreatDestroyer12mathematics is all about discerning patterns within sets of data
16:20.08Hachi_I thought Maths was about numbers
16:20.09GreatDestroyer12and it is upon the generalizations of those patterns that we derive applied sciences
16:20.35GreatDestroyer12the patterns are represented as symbols, numbers. and operators
16:21.26WormyHowever, is the mathematics inside our brain, or is mathematics the actual universe with the physical side of things in our brain?
16:21.42GhelaeI would say that maths is ultimately about numbers, but numbers are complicated. :P
16:21.59Xho2 + 2 = IMPOSSIBRU
16:22.06XhoHey that rhymes
16:22.08GreatDestroyer12numbers are just a way to represent patterns
16:22.09Monethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6em8hTchY&feature=relmfu I know its' predictable but this is draconis music.
16:22.26WormyCan there be a universe without mathematic, or one where 2+5= 9
16:22.37GreatDestroyer12mathematics is a self defining thing
16:22.46GreatDestroyer12thats why you have euclidean and non euclidean geometry
16:22.57GhelaeYes. I've mentioned about the "2+5=9" thing before; it's false by definition.
16:23.12WormyThe whole within itself?
16:23.20WormyRuled by itself
16:23.22GreatDestroyer12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFsMqVr3B8
16:23.25GreatDestroyer12drakodominatus music
16:23.31GreatDestroyer12self defining system
16:23.48MonetThey do have an instrument thet you hold like a double-bass. The 'bow' is an adjustable v-shaped prong so it is possible to play both the low and high notes of that tune with a single instrument.
16:23.57WormyBut then, thats only one way of looking things.
16:23.59GhelaeEssentially, "2" is defined as "1+1"; "5" is defined as "1+1+1+1+1"; and "9" is defined as "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1".
16:24.03GreatDestroyer12the drako piece is actually my favorite piano piece
16:24.06GreatDestroyer12i just learned it
16:25.05GhelaeA hypothetical mathematical system where "2+5=9" would therefore be one where 1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1, or 1+1=0.
16:25.15Xhohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/f8/Kithworto16072012.png New Kithworto
16:25.21GhelaeThat explanation was a bit unnecessary, actually. :P
16:25.36WormyThere are interpretations of universes that could be mathematically abstract asn impossible, in Brian Greene's book these are described.
16:25.39GhelaeBasically, mathematical facts such as 1+1=2 are created from definition, not deduced by experiments.
16:25.46Hachi_New Kithworto looks fat
16:26.23Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/25/Kicathnewconcepts.png Essentially the same build as this
16:26.55MonetI'm not changing his design in the pic.
16:27.00MonetToo late for that now.
16:27.17XhoIf you're using his Omega state then no need
16:27.32CatfaceWormy: Indonesian metal www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOtI-u3hcIw
16:27.33GhelaeWormy: I figured Wikipedia would have a page on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics
16:27.34WormyGhelae/GD12:  Maybe there is a filtering meta-law that only allows for universes without non-computing alogrithims/problems
16:27.40GhelaeI'm sure you might find something in there.
16:27.50XhoI doubt you would have had to change much anyway, Kicath are just more muscular
16:28.11WormyThus, only logical maths can exist
16:28.53WormyThat would imply thisa universe is computable...  And possibly simulated
16:29.02MonetXho: I'm not
16:29.17GreatDestroyer12well wormy remember xeelee
16:29.21Xho" I doubt you would have had to change much anyway"
16:29.23GreatDestroyer12i forgot the race that loved math
16:29.23MonetXho: AFAIK he never entered his omega state abttling TCC
16:29.31GreatDestroyer12the xeelee made perfect mathverse for them
16:29.31XhoHm
16:29.38WormyAh yes
16:29.51MonetAll I need to do is a background so meh.
16:29.54XhoKithworto *might* have but I can't remember
16:29.58WormyThey made a "heaven" of mathematical perfection for the Silver Ghosts
16:30.48WormyBut then, the Squeem in the Xeelee Sequence don't have a concept of maths
16:30.51GreatDestroyer12meaning if the silver ghosts really pissed the xeelee off or just got bad luck of the draw
16:31.01GreatDestroyer12they could  get math hell
16:31.16WormyI don't thinkthe Xeelee punish.
16:31.30GreatDestroyer12good point
16:31.44GreatDestroyer12as long as your baryonic its hey bro, go through the ring
16:32.00WormyThey mostly ignore most races entirely alien to them, but they showed compassion in the end making the Ring and "heavens" for bayronic life
16:32.45Xhohttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0a/AgentAlphaNew.png Now Alpha looks big in comparison
16:33.05GreatDestroyer12too bad they were outnumbered by photino birds
16:33.19GreatDestroyer12all things being equal it is all about nubmers
16:33.54WormyIn the first Human-Xeelee war, humans were a minor annoyance, in the second, the Xeelee scourged Humanity, and put them in a spacetime prison.  But there was a 4D escape hatch for future humans to escape from if they were clever enough too, and a waiting Xeelee ship on the other side ferried Humanity to a new universe.
16:35.22WormyThe Xeelee ship entered a very young universe with few elements heavier than lithium, but it literally fused elements and built a star system, planet and ecosystem from scratch in days.
16:35.34GreatDestroyer12xeelee are awesome
16:35.49GreatDestroyer12they epitomize "any sufficiently advacned technology"
16:36.31WormyI imagine this was "human heaven", since they would be the first life, and possibly rise to become Xeelee-like themselves.  The planet's ecosystem was derived from human (and bacterial flora) genes, so the planet's ecosystem had human-looking organisms.
16:37.19GreatDestroyer12you guys are familiar with machine learning right?
16:37.34Wormymachine learing?  nope
16:38.00GreatDestroyer12basically its the field of computer science that allows a computer to do someithng its not explicitly programmed to do
16:38.28GreatDestroyer12one of the types is called undirected machine learning, in which a machine will go through data and discern patterns
16:38.55GreatDestroyer12what im wondering is when we have the singularity, whether machines will automatically see humans are violent creatures and go termiantor on us
16:40.09WormyAh yes, I have heard of it.
16:40.27GreatDestroyer12because machines will go to wiki check out human actions and see that we are opportunistic animals
16:40.34GreatDestroyer12copy that, and screw us over
16:41.14WormyI think the AI will be indifferent to us, it may not even know outside it's bottled existence, let alone us.  Unfortunately, that may also mean, we have atoms which it can use for it's own purposes which is bad for us.
16:41.37GreatDestroyer12i think best case is a benevolent dictatorsip
16:41.54WormyI simply think we shoudn't make AI's.
16:42.09GreatDestroyer12if we never make ais we never hit post scarcity
16:42.12GreatDestroyer12thats my opinion
16:42.31WormyI mean, there is no point really.  We have to be fair to the AI when we create it, we can't use it like a normal computer.
16:42.56CatfaceWormy: Tom Waits is a cool guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHn_Kb4Dz40
16:43.06GreatDestroyer12the other solution is imo artificial evolution
16:43.07WormyIf we want to learn about conciousness, perhaps we should begin to reverse engineer the human brain.
16:43.15GreatDestroyer12make faster stronger better humans
16:43.16GhelaePerhaps these depend on what we mean by an "AI".
16:43.18GreatDestroyer12and smarter
16:43.28GhelaeGD12: Transhumanism?
16:44.03WormyOf course, but you know what I mean - Concious strong AI
16:44.04Monet"love they machine" was a phrase used by one of my classmates.
16:44.13Monetthy*
16:44.18GreatDestroyer12ya
16:44.45WormyI think it is far better to use Swarm Mind computing/robotics
16:44.57Hachi_Artificial = not real, so artificial intelligence = not real intelligence, not real intelligence = stupidity?
16:45.16GhelaeArtificial things are still real. :P
16:45.16WormyBut then again, maybe the swarm intelligence starts to become concious on its own.
16:46.27GhelaeIt's difficult to ascribe possible motivations and personalities to potential artificial intelligences.
16:46.39WormyHumans can already create biological intelligence naturally.  Clever machine = meh
16:46.48GreatDestroyer12if with machinelearnign they just emulate human thought
16:46.51GreatDestroyer12we are all fucked
16:47.10GhelaeDepends on the humans the emulate.
16:47.12Ghelaethey*
16:47.34WormyAlso, AI's are only powerful if they are routed up to powerful things.
16:48.01GreatDestroyer12we'll just have a bunch of hippies in their test room
16:48.08GreatDestroyer12and make sure it's not below a military base
16:48.19GhelaeExactly.
16:48.42WormyAn AI could be bottled into a self-existence.  The internet, if it evolved sentience may not be aware of us or anything outside it, at least for a long time.
16:48.43GhelaeOh, and make sure that the powerful thing that they're routed up to can be easily switched off. :D
16:48.56GreatDestroyer12you guys read Robapocalypse?
16:49.01GhelaeNo.
16:49.05WormyNope
16:49.36GreatDestroyer12its by a guy from carnegie melon phd in robotics
16:49.42CatfaceSticks and stones may break my bones but words can ruin your reputation.
16:50.05Wormy<PROTECTED>
16:50.09GreatDestroyer12http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robopocalypse
16:50.19GreatDestroyer12animatrix was cool
16:50.31GreatDestroyer12but the book iwas talking about is basically what i was concerned about with ai
16:50.47GreatDestroyer12i remmeber animatrix too, i wonder if i an make battle pics like that
16:51.54WormyI might join, as I am Anti-AI (strong) ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_United_Against_Robots
16:51.59Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_United_Against_Robots
16:52.18GreatDestroyer12my dad said we are close to singularity tho
16:52.25GreatDestroyer12he was a software engineer from berkley
16:52.29WormyI don't like robots very much
16:52.31GreatDestroyer12with masters in columbia
16:52.46WormyNever ever liked AI's since I watched Animatrix.
16:52.59WormyTerminator was the final straw
16:53.13GreatDestroyer12its because the american public likes conflict movies
16:53.26GreatDestroyer12none of those every portray robots as being nice or altruistic
16:53.29MonetHeheh.
16:53.38GhelaeI doubt anybody would be stupid enough to program such a powerful AI with an overwhelming survival instinct.
16:53.51MonetDARPA
16:54.03GreatDestroyer12hur me going to kill some al quada hur
16:54.04GhelaeOr, those people who would probably don't have degrees in artificial intelligence.
16:54.07GreatDestroyer12ah shit it turned agaisnt me
16:54.25GhelaeDARPA are insane, yes...
16:54.38WormyGD12:  Have you heard of Grey Goo?
16:54.49GreatDestroyer12yup
16:54.52GreatDestroyer12nanobots
16:54.58GhelaeOkay, military robots might be programmed with a survival instinct, but the robots themselves wouldn't be given control over the planet's nuclear weapons. :P
16:55.22Wormy"Imagine such a replicator floating in a bottle of chemicals, making copies of itself…the first replicator assembles a copy in one thousand seconds, the two replicators then build two more in the next thousand seconds, the four build another four, and the eight build another eight. At the end of ten hours, there are not thirty-six new replicators, but over 68 billion.
16:55.31Wormy<PROTECTED>
16:55.39GreatDestroyer12von neumann was always my favorite mathematician
16:55.47Wormy--Eric Drexler
16:56.13GreatDestroyer12but come up with coding such that no matter how much robots try to loophole
16:56.21GreatDestroyer12they will fall into an infinete locgic loop
16:56.50GhelaeIt'd be far better to make the robots so they *don't* try to loophole their programming.
16:57.00WormyEarly assembler-based replicators could beat the most advanced modern organisms. 'Plants' with 'leaves' no more efficient than today's solar cells could out-compete real plants, crowding the biosphere with an inedible foliage. Tough, omnivorous 'bacteria' could out-compete real bacteria: they could spread like blowing pollen, replicate swiftly, and reduce the biosphere to dust in a matter of days. Dangerous replicators could easily
16:57.04Wormyand rapidly spreading to stop — at least if we made no preparation. We have trouble enough controlling viruses and fruit flies.
16:57.25GreatDestroyer12you remember that quote in matrix
16:57.29GreatDestroyer12humans = virus
16:57.44GhelaeYes.
16:57.52WormyI'd rather not think about the Matrix
16:58.07GreatDestroyer12ok
16:58.28GhelaeDon't worry, Wormy. I'm sure the NWO are developing anti-AI weapons as we speak. :P
16:58.31MonetI I've been working on inside a section of Araveene (the topmost level looks like this) http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120713121329/spore/images/0/03/Araveene.png ) and I came up with a solution for the underlevels.
16:58.50GreatDestroyer12wormy look at this
16:58.51GreatDestroyer12http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUE7BR7ovt0
16:59.34WormyHave you heard of the Invisible Hand of the Market?  I think it is a symbiotic swarm mind that has already enslaved mankind http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c19732e6203d
16:59.52GreatDestroyer12adam smith?
17:00.06WormyWho?
17:00.13MonetThere is a lane of video projectors that simulate a sky, including the amount of light, clouds and appropriate EM wavelengths even though the region is several hundred metres within the superstructure
17:00.17GreatDestroyer12ok not adam smith
17:00.22GreatDestroyer12guy who wrote wealth of nations
17:00.33GreatDestroyer12its just the invisible hand was one of his great theories
17:01.04GreatDestroyer12i personally think we could enter a perfect stage 4 marxist society utopia with the singularity
17:01.22GreatDestroyer12once all resource conflicts are solved, things will eventaully sette to that i beleive
17:01.41WormyAll hail the Almighty $ at your local bank!   The sacred Fluid One, feed his brainpower in the local market with your're prices!
17:02.10MonetNeedless to say, the amount of solar collectors around the parent star constitutes to a dyson swarm.
17:02.55CatfaceI did some editing to the Tralor cluture http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Tralor#Culture
17:03.01CatfaceOP will be proud.
17:04.00WormyNature is full of distributed minds, from flocks of birds to synchronous fireflies.
17:04.19GreatDestroyer12praise the uLE
17:04.48WormyAnd so must the human environment, perhaps in our behavoir?  In our market?  The cities and roads?  Maybe even the internet?  And we don't even realise.
17:05.18GhelaeIt may depend on what you think of to be a "mind".
17:05.46GhelaeAny social organisation can process information.
17:06.12WormyBut does that become an intelligence?  Consider the China Brain thought experiment
17:06.22GhelaeI know.
17:06.27GhelaeAnd that's my point.
17:06.32WormyThey may be somewhat empty, philosophical zombies
17:06.42Xhohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/eb/KithwortoLarnus.png Kithworto speaks to Larnus
17:06.44GhelaeWell, that's another issue.
17:07.15WormyAnd thats why I was adding question marks.  I don't know if those collective synchronicities are minds or not
17:07.39GhelaeFirst are the distinctions - if there are any clear ones - between basic computation, sentience, sapience, and further on. Then another question is on  the nature of consciousness.
17:07.50XhoMonet: beep
17:08.13MonetLooks good.
17:08.56MonetI liek the feel of the building. Very gritty.
17:09.01WormyBut all of them are examples of organisation which as a collective supports all individuals like a whole.  We see this when we look at flocks of birds computing a greater than individual optimisation - survival from predators using numbers and a collective intelligence which could swarm over food
17:09.09Hachi_New Kicath look fat imo, no offence
17:09.15Hachi_I preferred their earlier look
17:09.24Xhothey were stick thin
17:09.32CatfaceThey became American.
17:09.35Hachi_olol
17:09.59XhoGreat now i'm gonna hear Kithworto's voice in an American accent now
17:10.17Hachi_Kithworto - Howdy partner
17:10.33CatfaceBronx accent :>
17:10.42GreatDestroyer12lol
17:10.46GreatDestroyer12new york accent
17:10.54GreatDestroyer12manhattanite accent
17:11.03GreatDestroyer12one big mac please
17:11.15WormyI think the simplist definition of conciousness is awareness.  I think most of the animal kingdom is aware.
17:11.51Hachi_Bat - I can't see shit lul
17:11.52WormyI don't agree with much of a scientific community who seem to think that 99.9% of things are not aware
17:12.27GhelaeIt's probably an issue with the definitions of "things" and "aware".
17:12.31MonetThis is how I imagined the meeting: Kith - *sees larnus* Hm, alright lads game's off. *groans from the group* Not my problem. | Kicath - *stands up* You're using the Draconis to steal our credits? We keep playing | Kith - No | Kicath - *throws a punch* | Kith - I said game's off! *punches back*. Now. Where were we?
17:12.55GhelaeIf "awareness" comes down to information-processing ability, then it could be said that one of the definitions of life itself is awareness.
17:12.58XhoKicath - *motionless and embedded in a metal wall*
17:14.13Xhohttps://p.twimg.com/Ax7ERttCAAAc0-G.jpg:largewebchat.freenode.net Kicath don't seem huge to me
17:14.31Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716152224/spore/images/2/25/Kicathnewconcepts.png Try again
17:14.43WormyIt might be that the awareness of some organisms is less important or more limited than others.
17:15.01GreatDestroyer12i think its just obliviousness
17:15.13GreatDestroyer12humans arent aware of what i think to be highrer life forms
17:15.27GreatDestroyer12are perceptions are all so limited and it can be applied to the lowest ape
17:15.37WormyThere may well be higher forms of awareness
17:16.09MonetXho: why exactly did you send a twitter link?
17:16.25XhoHm dunno
17:16.30XhoI was on Twitter
17:16.32WormyGD12: You might like this article http://www.rfreitas.com/Astro/Xenopsychology.htm
17:17.00WormyCovers a lot of what we've discussed, even maths
17:17.17GreatDestroyer12wyrmy
17:18.49GreatDestroyer12xho when you made the name kicath, was it derived from kickass?
17:18.54XhoNo.
17:19.03XhoThe Kicath's name is from the random generator
17:19.19Wormy_awayyou know ive wondered the same thing
17:26.45GreatDestroyer12xho, how did the kicath evolve to have spikes on their l limbs?
17:30.01*** join/#sporewiki Imperios (b2424af9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.66.74.249)
17:30.35CatfaceHi
17:30.53ImperiosHi
17:31.02GreatDestroyer12hi
17:31.41GhelaeHello.
17:32.17ImperiosEh
17:32.23ImperiosIf Shellious are tier 2.1
17:32.34ImperiosThen why did they join Draconis as a protectorat3e
17:34.09ImperiosNnngh
17:34.25ImperiosI feel that "peace through power" anti-hero empires are so common now  in fictionverse
17:34.43XhoFor defence
17:34.44XhoSame way a goat evolved horns
17:35.30CatfaceThe ULE did it first!
17:35.32ImperiosWe have
17:35.36ImperiosYep, ULE iz old
17:35.46ImperiosBut DCP is... firster
17:36.34ImperiosWe have DCP, ULE, Kicath, Shka'Tun, the entire AGC triumvirate, UNO, Cyrannians to some extent... who else?
17:38.31GhelaeWhat types of "peace through _____" empires do you think we need more of?
17:39.16ImperiosYep
17:39.18ImperiosDur
17:39.28GreatDestroyer12meh tyranny is kinda just anatgonistic
17:39.32GreatDestroyer12the drako tyranny
17:39.41CatfacePeace through trade!
17:39.55GhelaeAh, peace through bribery. :P
17:40.19Imperiossteals dis idea from Catface
17:40.27Catfacelawl
17:40.28ImperiosA powerful and strict trade coalition
17:40.29ImperiosGud gud
17:40.32ImperiosBludraven
17:41.10CatfaceBut why can't we share the idea? :(
17:41.11GhelaeAre there many "peace through religion (or other common ideology)" empires, as opposed to ones that are simultaneously "peace through power"?
17:41.34CatfacePeace through friendship!
17:42.01GhelaeFRA. Didn't work.
17:42.32CatfaceThat was peace through handraep
17:42.36ImperiosDur
17:42.36GhelaeThough that was less "friendship" and more "stubbornly refusing to accept the existence of other cultures".
17:44.08ImperiosCatface: Hmmmmmm
17:44.12ImperiosGood idea as well
17:44.48ImperiosThe Solunar Republic
17:44.56ImperiosPerhaps with a dark twist
17:45.15ImperiosAn empire which drugs its subjects with... Asgordifiying drugs
17:45.27GhelaeWhat would [[Fiction:The Civilisation/Society]] be? I suppose the hyperspace missile defence systems push it towards "peace through power", but that's not their main focus.
17:45.28morgothBotPyGhelae meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Civilisation/Society
17:46.17ImperiosPeace through wobos
17:46.19Imperios*wobots
17:46.30GhelaeYeah, I guess so.
17:51.37GhelaeSo we already have peace through power, peace through wobots, and peace through cultural insensitivity; next up are peace through trade and peace through friendship.
17:52.06GreatDestroyer12we have peace through reprogramming of the mind
17:52.27GhelaeAh, like with UNO. Peace through emotional suppression.
17:52.49XhoPeace through blowing up every last annoying motherfucker to pieces
17:52.55OluapAwayUNO is designed to be internally chaotic though
17:52.59OluapAwaySo it's not really peace
17:53.12GreatDestroyer12peace through nothing else being around
17:53.21Xhohugs Oluap and crushes his ribs in joy
17:53.31Ghelae"Peace" seems to be being used quite vaguely in this discussion.
17:53.46GreatDestroyer12peace as in vaccum?
17:53.54OluapWorkerdies with smile on faic
17:54.38Xhodat creepy shit
17:54.59OluapWorkeru creepy shit
17:55.02XhoWhile you were gone I made new Kicath
17:55.15CatfaceOP I made an edit.
17:55.26Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716152224/spore/images/2/25/Kicathnewconcepts.png dere
17:55.28OluapWorkerCool, now make 999 more
17:55.32OluapWorkernu Kickass
17:55.45OluapWorkerdem sholders
17:55.48OluapWorkernotbad.png
17:55.59Xhohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716162438/spore/images/f/f8/Kithworto16072012.png New Kithworto
17:57.02OluapWorkeris gud
17:57.05Xhohttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716163115/spore/images/0/0a/AgentAlphaNew.png New Alpha
17:57.15OluapWorkeris gud²
17:57.20Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120716163504/spore/images/8/83/AgentXiNew.png New Xi
17:57.20ImperiosXho: OH YAY THEY ARE SO AWESOME I WANT TO HAVE ONE AS A PET
17:57.28OluapWorkerdum
17:57.31Xhosmacks the Irsk out of Imperios
17:57.38GreatDestroyer12a wild lezia will grab those kicath
17:57.59ImperiosAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
17:58.10OluapWorkerBack to busy
17:58.15Xhohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/e/eb/KithwortoLarnus.png And then Larnus taking to Kithworto
17:58.18Xhodum get bak heer
17:59.02ImperiosOkay, seriously
17:59.08ImperiosI like the bulky feel of them
18:00.51ImperiosThere is a demon in Warhammer
18:01.06ImperiosIt is very acidic and kills people by hugging and petting them to death
18:01.19ImperiosXho or Oluap should make these demons for the Legion
18:01.54XhoNot if it's Warhammer related
18:02.07OluapWorkerand bak to heer
18:02.18ImperiosOkay Xho
18:02.25ImperiosI may relieve you
18:02.28XhoAlthough judging by that picture
18:02.36OluapWorkerHow tall is a Kicath again?
18:02.40ImperiosThere is a similar creature in a fanfiction not linked to Warhammer
18:02.47ImperiosExcept it is spiked
18:02.51XhoKicath range from 3.52 - 4.12 m tall
18:02.53ImperiosInstead of acidic
18:02.54XhoMost Kicath are 3.6
18:03.01XhoKithworto is about 3.65
18:03.17MonetKithworto is excused for being part-diety.
18:03.29OluapWorkerHm
18:03.31Xho*deity
18:03.32Xhohur
18:03.40OluapWorkerNot sure if you didn't undersize Larnus in there
18:03.50XhoThat's normal Spore size for Larnus
18:04.05OluapWorkerDraconis are 3m tall or so
18:04.06MonetYeah abotu that.
18:04.13XhoOh right
18:04.20XhoNgh i'll change it later
18:04.25GreatDestroyer122.85?
18:04.25GhelaeClearly, the Kicath are all closer to the camera than Larnus.
18:04.36MonetCurrent V3 draconis are 2.5m spore-wise but 2.8m in reality.
18:04.53OluapWorkerI don't use Spore-wise size as canon
18:05.02OluapWorkerIf I did, most of my fiction would be smaller than humans
18:05.04ImperiosSame
18:05.18XhoHm I assumed the standard Spore size was the standard Draconis size
18:05.43MonetI have made a V4 closer to the actual size.
18:06.13OluapWorkerSpore-wise I bet a Kicath would tower over a Loron, while in canon a Loron kid already towers over an adult Kicath
18:06.13MonetAlso the Kicath just behind Kithworto looks like he just got hit on the head very hard.
18:06.20XhoYou did?
18:06.24XhoHm didn't see that on Spore
18:06.31Monetxho: I haven't uuplaoded them
18:06.41Xhoi c
18:06.56OluapWorkerKicath - Can I be important?    Kithworto - NU *splat*
18:07.41MonetI put a spore-size V4 Draconis and a modern Libertus side-by-side and they matched in height with a few cm difference.
18:08.12XhoI dunno what the modern Capricornian is now
18:08.17XhoYes I said Capricornian deal with it
18:08.25OluapWorkerCapricornian
18:08.33OluapWorkerWhich one of the 13
18:08.45XhoCapricornian = Libertus
18:09.18XhoReally old skool name for them
18:09.26OluapWorkerI know
18:09.40Xhoden y u ask
18:09.51OluapWorkerBecause now Capricornian are the Libertus + 12 other waptor species
18:09.57Xhodum
18:10.04OluapWorker[[Fiction:Capricornians]]
18:10.05morgothBotPyOluapWorker meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Capricornians
18:10.20OluapWorkeru so outdated
18:10.23Xhodum I was just looking at this page
18:10.29OluapWorkeru lai
18:10.32OluapWorkerhivemind lai
18:10.35Xhono rly
18:13.04Xhohttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/483248_10151079629314574_836942188_n.jpg
18:13.21Monethttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/19/Draconid_Hive_Interior.png today we look inside a Draconid arcology.
18:13.51MonetI should have added aliens but the structure is big, struse mt.
18:14.40XhoMonet: Check where your fingers are going
18:14.51ImperiosThat's a street right?
18:15.03MonetImperios yes.
18:15.14MonetXho: That was supposed t obe 'trust me'.
18:15.19MonetGAHHH!
18:15.26XhoC CHECK WHERE UR DAM FINGERS ARE GOING
18:16.10ImperiosXho: FAT UNICORNS HIDE IN METAL BOXES
18:16.11ImperiosHm
18:16.22ImperiosThat can make a double Xhoterrorception
18:16.30XhoFat unicorns hiding in metal boxes
18:16.31MonetI know people can see sky cut I can provide an answer.
18:16.37XhoOluap I have a new idea for you
18:16.42Imperiosfeeds Twilight with lots of food
18:16.45OluapWorkerwat
18:16.46Imperiosputs her in a metal box
18:16.53ImperiosFATUNICRONCEPTION
18:16.55Imperios*UNICORN
18:17.03OluapWorkerIt's your idea so it's probably dum
18:17.45MonetBasically that 'sky' is a giant TV screen.
18:18.48Xho"Longest life:14:01 (as Engineer)"
18:18.51XhoHow did I do that
18:19.03OluapWorkerhax
18:19.20ImperiosHm
18:19.25Imperios~whip Xho
18:19.25infobotACTION takes Xho outside to be thoroughly whipped by imperios
18:19.28OluapWorkerMy stats are messed up due to achievement servers
18:19.46ImperiosWhere are Kicath colonies in Andromeda located
18:19.54GreatDestroyer12~throw GreatDestroyer12
18:19.54infobotACTION winds up and throws GreatDestroyer12 over the moon.
18:20.02Xhohur
18:20.10XhoI like Achievement servers
18:20.14XhoIs fun
18:20.34Xho"Most Damage: 87,946 (as Engineer)" - Oluap
18:20.35ImperiosOne of my friends hates 'em
18:20.36Xhogeezush
18:22.01XhoHow does 88,000 damage happen
18:22.02Xhojust hao
18:22.11GreatDestroyer12hax
18:22.15ImperiosGorf
18:24.24GreatDestroyer12oh lol phase hunter made a reply
18:28.31*** join/#sporewiki Xho_ (5ac81131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.200.17.49)
18:28.33Xho_dum
18:31.08OluapWorkerXho_: Scent Tree gun
18:31.13OluapWorker+ a dozen bots
18:31.44Xho_Oh dear y
18:31.49Xho_Oh right achievement server
18:31.54OluapWorkercus farm acheevment
18:31.56GreatDestroyer12~kick GreatDestroyer12
18:31.56infobotACTION kicks GreatDestroyer12
18:31.59OluapWorkerAlso cus y not
18:32.04Xho_dunno
18:32.04CatfaceTada! http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Mirus_Council#Leaders
18:32.12GreatDestroyer12~shove GreatDestroyer12
18:32.16CatfaceEveryone look I made another edit!
18:32.18Xho_I haven't been on a server like that for ages hur
18:32.35CatfaceNow can I eat Mr. OP?
18:32.49OluapWorkerYes, yes you may
18:32.59Catfaceyey
18:33.10Catfaceeats the flesh of a cow
18:33.22Xho_moo
18:33.31Xho_I need to play more TF2
18:33.55GreatDestroyer12the flesh of a metal cow?
18:33.56OluapWorkerYes you do
18:34.00OluapWorkerPlay with me
18:34.03OluapWorkeron DAT server
18:34.11Xho_Very well I will
18:34.24Xho_Cause I have 8 weeks of fuck all to do
18:34.33CatfaceWho is your favorite UMC chancellor?
18:34.36OluapWorkeri jelly
18:34.43GreatDestroyer12parish guy
18:35.25OluapWorkerLorrod because he's a Plaidonir
18:35.29GreatDestroyer12well im gonna sleep now guys
18:35.31GreatDestroyer12night
18:35.37OluapWorkerI should probably remake the Plaidonir
18:35.37Xho_Whattamcwhat now
18:35.42GreatDestroyer12its 2 35 am here now
18:35.42OluapWorkerThey took too simpru
18:35.45*** part/#sporewiki GreatDestroyer12 (70ca9b61@gateway/web/qwebirc/irc.wikia.com/ip.112.202.155.97)
18:35.58Xho_Unbereevabry simpru?
18:36.08CatfaceYou can if you want lil' man,
18:36.08OluapWorkeryus
18:36.30Xho_Oh right United Mirus Council
18:36.35Xho_I was wondering what UMC was
18:36.47OluapWorkerfuk pay atenshun
18:36.53Xho_Later.
18:36.54Xho_:>
18:37.27OluapWorkerdum hed
18:39.19CatfaceWho is glad I'm being less of a lazifaic as of late?
18:39.49OluapWorkerI is
18:41.11*** join/#sporewiki dino___ (3eeeb523@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.238.181.35)
18:41.34CatfaceWe need to work on this sometime, lil' man http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zua-Zaoi_Reunification
18:41.35CatfaceAnd hi
18:41.44dino___hello!!!!!!!!!
18:43.53OluapWorkerHey dino
18:44.26CatfaceDino: :> http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Mirus_Council#Leaders
18:44.53dino___hello!
18:44.57dino___how is all doing?
18:45.13dino___@Catface: Oh even a ????
18:45.19OluapWorkerI'll only be able of working in fiction on the weekends for now on
18:45.27CatfaceYes
18:45.35dino___nice!
18:45.35*** join/#sporewiki Imperios (b2424af9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.66.74.249)
18:45.41dino___Imperios!!!!!!
18:45.42Catfacesux4u lolololol
18:45.49ImperiosHi dino
18:46.01ImperiosI was playing TOR, I have recently unlocked Force Choke for my sith
18:46.07ImperiosTime to use it
18:46.10Imperioschokes dino
18:46.14ImperiosWhere is mah Artharon emprah :>
18:46.19Imperiosemperor
18:47.41dino___Oh thank you Imperios
18:47.44dino___lol
18:48.10ImperiosI requested you a long time ago and then you vanished
18:48.19Imperios*made a request
18:48.27dino___Whak kind of request?
18:48.44dino___?Yeah I wasn't able to get on internet for a while, due to work/study and absence etc
18:48.45ImperiosThe Artharon emperor Fela'thoran
18:48.49dino___but now I am semi-back
18:49.03dino___Oh I remember! Yeah I would make him, srry forgot
18:49.07dino___have a png link for me?
18:49.11dino___Will do it right away :D
18:49.34WormyXho_ I sense you are getting pissed at my spelling errors.  My spelling is or was better than this...  I've gained a bad habit of not checking.
18:49.44Imperioshttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/3/37/Artharon_Noble_%281%29.png
18:49.49ImperiosHere is the PNG
18:51.00dino___does he have to remain in the smae colors and what did I promise to do on him?
18:51.04dino___Change his armor?
18:52.23ImperiosWell his colours are more or less yours for choosing
18:52.42Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature:Artharon#Individuals Here is a description of his personality
18:52.45dino___oh ok, coolio. Will try to give him some sort of crown!
18:52.52ImperiosThanks!
19:08.50dino___uploaded!
19:09.28ImperiosLemme see
19:10.10ImperiosMe gusta
19:10.22ImperiosThanks, I like it!
19:10.46ImperiosI'll probably recolour him to make him stand out a bit but still thanks
19:11.49OluapWorkerded
19:30.06dino___thanks!
19:30.11dino___Hope you can use him in your fictional plans
19:30.15dino___btw how goes Agnessa her mission?
19:30.19dino___oh he quite
19:30.20dino___darn
19:36.41*** join/#sporewiki Shalonar (~MindScrew@host-38-152-66-217.spbmts.ru)
19:41.28dino___have to leave
19:41.31dino___bones is on tv
19:41.32dino___see ya
19:41.34dino___gongm to watch
19:41.35dino___bye
19:45.13ShalonarBye
19:47.09WormyDamn it, Ghelae not here
19:47.20ShalonarWormy
19:47.30WormyHi
19:47.32ShalonarI have noticed SporeWiki has subcultures
19:47.33Xho_Wormy: I haven't noticed
19:47.42WormyAs have I
19:47.53Wormyto both of you
19:48.06ShalonarOther than hivemind, we have the wikiscientists
19:48.11Xho_Shit I just remembered I can play the piano
19:48.14Xho_How dum can I get
19:48.16ShalonarGhel Wormy and Monet, kinda
19:48.38ShalonarThen we have me, Hachi, R17 and Irsk
19:48.43MonetI wouldn't say 'kinda'.
19:48.45WormyYou might want to ad GD12...  He knows his maths...
19:49.20WormyAnd The Randomness
19:50.41WormyYou know what I'm researching now?  I just want to know why maths is self-consistent...  And I'm listening to trippy music at the same time.
19:53.11WormyI'm not very satisfied, I don't think anyone has come up with answers to the logic + maths + physics relationship
19:56.06MonetIf LotG comes on tonight is there a chance we could continue the Nocturnia plot?
19:57.00Wormyyes
19:57.09Xho_If we even started it yeah
19:57.32MonetI just informed hachi on DA.
19:58.13Monetright I feel like making a paicture but I am unsure of a good scene, can anyone suggest something?
19:59.03Xho_Something related to Sporewiki or something random?
19:59.36MonetSporewiki.
20:00.00Xho_Hm
20:00.07Xho_How about
20:00.18Xho_A scene from Tzhrhokia
20:00.27OluapWorkerA scene from the Borealis War :v
20:00.34Xho_Or that
20:00.51MonetHmm.
20:01.18OluapWorkerArsac arguing with Geltastra
20:01.19OluapWorker:v
20:01.37MonetWhat about Arsac vs. Capastrus?
20:01.45OluapWorkerThat sounds good too
20:02.19OluapWorkerAngry dragon lady vs big demon bacon
20:03.05Xho_Big demon bacon
20:03.13Xho_le gusta mucho
20:03.18OluapWorkerhur
20:07.01Xho_""I got a manky eye. I'm a black, Scottish cyclops. They've got more Stout Shako Two Refineds of me.""
20:07.11OluapWorkerhur
20:08.06Xho_"Oh, Stout Shako for two REFINED!"
20:08.17OluapWorkerThey actually found that line uncensored on SFM
20:08.24Xho_I heard it
20:08.32OluapWorkerFecking monsters
20:08.46Xho_"They've got more feckin' monsters in the Loch at Ness then they've got the likes of me..."
20:09.07*** mode/#sporewiki [+v infobot] by OluapWorker
20:09.15OluapWorkerdere no monstas in de loch at ness
20:09.18OluapWorkerdere no demoman
20:09.24Xho_LIES
20:09.25Xho_Y U LAI
20:09.39OluapWorkeri no lai
20:09.40OluapWorkeru lai
20:13.14Xho_"Mmmmph mmmmph, mmmmm mmmmmp mmmmmph. Mmmmmph mpm! Mmmmmph mph mm! Hm mmmmmph, hmmmmph mm mmmmmph mmmmmph!" = Monday
20:13.19Xho_Pyro y u
20:13.27OluapWorkerpyrotrollface.png
20:16.15OluapWorkerXho do you have the Pyro's rainbow-thrower yet?
20:16.22Xho_nope.avi
20:16.28Xho_It is sad day
20:16.29OluapWorkerNext time we play I'll give you one then
20:16.46Xho_IT IS GOOD DAY TO BE...uh yeah
20:16.48OluapWorkerJust let me see if I didn't craft it already
20:17.24Xho_"My lightwave bass was great until I puked all over it at a gig...now it DOESN'T WORK...It's just more stuff that can break! Now I just stick with my Carvin with NORMAL pickups. If you fix this problem I might consider another lightwave."
20:17.29Xho_u stoopid stoopid stoopid
20:17.38OluapWorkerYeah I still have it
20:18.07OluapWorkerStay online for about 2 more hours and you can have it
20:18.18Xho_k
20:28.50Xho_So
20:28.52Xho_Hm
20:28.55Xho_dum irc y u ded
20:29.01OluapWorkercus u no talk
20:29.03OluapWorkeri blame u
20:29.14Xho_u blame urself cus hivemind
20:29.17OluapWorkerfuk
20:29.18OluapWorkerstill
20:29.20OluapWorkerur fault
20:29.24Xho_:<
20:29.24OluapWorker~headbutt Xho_
20:29.32Xho_|<
20:29.32OluapWorkerdum bot y u no headbutt
20:29.35Xho_Wait no
20:29.37Xho_|>
20:29.46OluapWorkerpyramid hed y u hav a dukface
20:29.59Xho_Technically speaking it's /> but oh well
20:30.59Xho_Oluap what would you say is better
20:31.02Xho_TF2 or Dota 2
20:33.15OluapWorkerCan't compare
20:33.22OluapWorkerThey are too different
20:33.29Xho_yus u can u just dunt want 2
20:33.40OluapWorkerstop bein dum
20:33.50Xho_eats OluapWorker
20:34.00OluapWorkerbursts out of Xho_'s stomach
20:34.22OluapWorkerIf you liek shooters you'll prefer TF2, if you like RTS you'll prefer Dota 2. I like both and play both hur
20:34.24OluapWorkerlike*
20:36.59Xho_Question
20:37.04OluapWorkerTF2 is definetly more casual player-friendly though
20:37.08Xho_Why does Demoman shag Medic's wife
20:37.16OluapWorkerbecause he's Demoman
20:38.04Xho_http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/a/ac/Medic_taunts07.wav I have never heard Medic say this
20:38.18OluapWorkerWhat does he say in that? I can't hear it right now
20:38.36Xho_"Hello, Fräuleins!"
20:38.42OluapWorkerHmm
20:38.48OluapWorkerI'm not sure where that plays
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20:39.20Technobliteratorheey guys
20:39.31OluapWorkerOh, it's unusued
20:39.31Xho_hai dummkopf
20:39.38OluapWorkerOnly unushed Medic line in the game even
20:39.39OluapWorkerHello
20:39.42OluapWorkerunused*
20:39.54Xho_http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/5f/Medic_taunts11.wav Me to everyone in the IRC
20:40.50OluapWorkerhttp://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/5/5f/Medic_taunts14.wav Me to Xho
20:41.54Xho_http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/85/Medic_battlecry05.wav My response
20:42.53OluapWorkerhttp://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/4/4e/Demoman_taunts05.wav Xho meets Irsk
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20:44.27GhelaeHello.
20:45.59OluapWorkerhttp://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/soundbytes/SCOUT_regreteverything.mp3 Xho after playing TF2 with Oluap
20:46.10Technobliteratorhi ghelae
20:48.12Xho_Isn't the Direct Hit slightly op?
20:48.18Xho_If you're accurate that is
20:48.34OluapWorkerIf you're accurate? Yes
20:48.39OluapWorkerGood luck being accurate with it though
20:49.08Xho_Beggar's Bazooka looks fun
20:49.16Xho_" Overloading the chamber will cause a misfire."
20:49.19Xho_hurhurhurboom
20:49.25OluapWorkerdum soulja
20:49.31Monethttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/da/Arsac_Faces_Capastrus.png *Mortal Kombat music plays*
20:50.12OluapWorkeri liek
20:50.19OluapWorkerBut the effect thingies are visisble
20:50.35OluapWorker*visible
20:50.38OluapWorker*visibru
20:50.44MonetIz dum I know.
20:51.46OluapWorkerArsac - I'll turn you into bacon!      Capastrus - u so borin
20:52.15Xho_Does the Teufort Tooth Kicker do anything?
20:52.21OluapWorkerNope
20:52.36Xho_dum y
20:52.42OluapWorkercus it a misc item not a wepon
20:55.46Xho_What would you say is the best melee for the Soldier?
20:56.08OluapWorkerEscape Plan
20:56.11Xho_I have: Frying Pan, Shovel, Equalizer, Market Gardener, Half-Zatoichi, Escape Plan
20:56.35OluapWorkerSoldier has no reason to fight at melee range so an utility tool is the best option
20:58.15OluapWorkerBut if you're playing Medieval Mode then the Equalizer is the best option
20:58.25OluapWorkerOr Half-Zatoichi if you're feeling courageous
20:58.33Xho_Since when did I have a Prussian Pickelhaube?
20:58.52OluapWorkerSince that friend of yours bought a lot of hats?
20:59.00Xho_Oh yes
20:59.07Xho_Bastard cost me £30
20:59.08OluapWorkerI had a Prussian Pickelhaube once
20:59.12OluapWorkerIt was my first hat ever
20:59.15OluapWorkerI miss it
20:59.15Xho_No wait I have 2
20:59.36Xho_One in black
20:59.36CatfacePrussian Pickelhaube is my only hat.
20:59.50OluapWorkerI bet you don't even know what a Prussian Pickelhaube is
20:59.53Xho_I have many hats
20:59.53OluapWorkerSo shut yo face
21:00.05CatfaceIts a medic hat.
21:00.29CatfaceAnd its pointy.
21:00.40Xho_I have a Genuine Mask of the Shaman
21:00.42Xho_hur dum game
21:01.03CatfaceDo you want your money back on that game?
21:01.11OluapWorkerAccording to the game files, that Mask was supposed to be wearable on the Spy too
21:01.19Xho_I have a Machina?
21:01.22Xho_Shit I didn't know I had this stuff
21:01.28OluapWorkerhur
21:01.33OluapWorkerMachina is crutch wepon
21:01.58OluapWorkerMachina, Tomislav, Liberty Launcher
21:02.00OluapWorkerAll crutches
21:02.46Xho_I could get rid of half of my stuff considering I never play classes other than Heavy, Demoman, Medic and Soldier
21:02.58OluapWorkerI like having one of each item
21:03.04OluapWorkereven for classes I don't play
21:06.35Xho_"Something Special for Someone Special"
21:06.37Xho_Why
21:06.48OluapWorkerLike a friend of mine said
21:06.57OluapWorkerSelf-Made Something Special for Someone Special = Forever Alone
21:07.11Xho_hur
21:08.27*** join/#sporewiki Jove_ (185ee384@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.94.227.132)
21:08.43MonetHello
21:08.45Catfacebeats Jove_ silly
21:08.48Jove_'ello
21:08.57Jove_Wut wus that for, u dummy
21:09.32CatfaceDunno
21:09.34Monethttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/da/Arsac_Faces_Capastrus.png better?
21:09.56OluapWorkerYesh
21:10.12CatfaceMonet: Who do you like best? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Mirus_Council#Leaders
21:10.28MonetInterestingly Arsac and Capastrus are similar heights.
21:11.03OluapWorkerHeight wise Capastrus only loses to Indricarron and Ref'kolar in the champions
21:12.08OluapWorkerIndricarron is around 3-4m tall and Ref'kolar is 8.46m
21:12.24CatfaceSo should I work on the UMC's military or make some ULE leaders.
21:12.26Catface*?
21:12.32OluapWorkerULE leaders
21:12.54Catfacemmk I'll make a few.
21:12.58Xho_Hm
21:13.02Xho_I got a 'Strange Pistol'
21:13.12MonetCatface: I don't realyl know.
21:13.17CatfaceA strange pistol for a strange person.
21:13.22OluapWorkerStrange items count kills
21:13.39OluapWorkerDon't see much use in the Pistol outside of Gunslinger Vagineer though
21:13.53Xho_I have a description tag and a name tag randomly
21:13.56Xho_What should I use it on
21:14.02OluapWorkerGive them to me
21:14.03OluapWorker:>
21:14.06Catfacelawl
21:14.21Xho_NEIN
21:14.24Xho_smacks Oluap
21:14.24OluapWorkerJA
21:14.35OluapWorkerstabs stabs stabs Xho_
21:14.37CatfaceMonet: Do you mean that they are so good you can't choose or they are so bad you can't choose?
21:14.56Xho_Could use it on my Soldier's Stainless Pot
21:15.03OluapWorkerYou have a Pot?
21:15.07Xho_Sí
21:15.13OluapWorkerI had a Pot once
21:15.15OluapWorkerI miss it too
21:15.25Xho_Or on the Pickelhaube
21:15.29Xho_Not sure
21:15.30MonetCatface: They're all a bit vague as characters. maybe you can work on them?
21:15.38Xho_Wish I had an all-class item
21:15.52OluapWorkerMy Pot was the genuine Jane Doe hate
21:15.54OluapWorkerhat*
21:15.58CatfaceTrue. I will later.
21:17.14OluapWorkerCrafted by his wife's cute little hands
21:17.18OluapWorkerI just said cute little hands
21:17.22OluapWorkerLike Xho's
21:17.39CatfaceBut right now I'm working on ULE leaders like OP commands of me.
21:18.18OluapWorkerthrows Xho_ into the middle of a horde of cute Asgord babies
21:18.55Xho_My new Pot is called
21:19.06Xho_'Xho's Narcissistic Pot of Narcissism
21:19.58CatfaceFitting
21:21.08Xho_Description - "To Xho, this narcissistic pot isn't narcissistic enough."
21:21.36Technobliteratormonet you might be interested in what i'm writing atm
21:21.41Technobliteratorand catface possible
21:22.23*** part/#sporewiki Ghelae_away (6d940067@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.148.0.103)
21:23.28CatfaceOh?
21:23.33CatfaceDo tell.
21:24.54Technobliteratorwell it's posted on a forum for one of my fave game developers
21:24.57Technobliteratorhttp://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?48113-My-idea-of-the-future-of-gaming&p=1325850#post1325850
21:26.57CatfaceInteresting idea
21:27.16Technobliteratorcheers
21:29.03MonetI like it. It would mean I could play MGS using my computer.
21:30.19Technobliteratoryeahh, that's one thing i'd really like to see
21:30.25Monet5 hours a month is, tbh, a veery small amount of time for me.
21:30.45Technobliteratoryeahh it is but you have to understand they wouldn't make any money that way
21:30.54Technobliteratorand you'd be able to buy extra hours
21:31.27*** join/#sporewiki Shalonar (~MindScrew@host-148-152-66-217.spbmts.ru)
21:31.43Technobliteratorhi Shalonar
21:31.51CatfaceHello
21:32.06CatfaceTechno have you seen this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Mirus_Council#Leaders
21:32.10ShalonarSalam
21:32.15Technobliteratori haven't
21:32.16Technobliteratori will now
21:32.21ShalonarHi
21:32.24Technobliteratorbtw Shalonar check my idea i posted to a forum here http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?48113-My-idea-of-the-future-of-gaming&p=1325850#post1325850
21:32.37ShalonarAh
21:32.40ShalonarWut
21:32.42ShalonarLemme see
21:33.12TechnobliteratorCatface: nice!!
21:34.20ShalonarThere is a problem, it would be a bit irritating to casual players.
21:34.33ShalonarI mean, the payment system
21:35.53Technobliteratorwhy?
21:36.01Technobliteratorto casual players it'd be great, 5 hours free
21:36.09ShalonarHm
21:36.10Technobliteratora month
21:36.20ShalonarThere is a problem that easy payment is not available to everyone
21:36.32Technobliteratorand besides the average casual player does noting but play COD for a few minutes
21:36.49TechnobliteratorCurrently, that's true. But by the time this is implemented, I doubt that'll be the case
21:37.00Technobliteratorhave you heard of google wallet? payment straight from your android phone
21:40.55ShalonarThat's true
21:41.00CatfaceI'm listening to King Diamond.
21:41.18ShalonarDamn
21:41.30ShalonarWhy do people make good ideas and I can't
21:42.51CatfaceYou could easily fffaaaalllll and BREAK YOUR NECK! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=msbcs6xNSpY&NR=1
21:46.25Monethttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b8/UrielAddressing.png Uriel addresses the marines before the Batle of Avanti
21:47.37CatfaceIs Uriel in a bad mood?
21:48.16ShalonarThat moment when people around you have their own opinions, good ideas, could change something.
21:49.03MonetCatface: No, He's actually being quite confident in that picture.
21:49.14ShalonarAnd I have my nihilism only
21:49.26CatfaceHE looks like he is upset.
21:49.45MonetThe TIAF were seens as a rather nasty peopel at the time.
21:49.59ShalonarMy opinion on everything is that little can change. Any system will have pirates and copyrights. I guess it is in morality.
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21:50.27*** mode/#sporewiki [+o OluapPlayer] by ChanServ
21:50.36MonetOP: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/b/b8/UrielAddressing.png
21:50.39OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: hao u talkin on steem whil offline
21:50.44Shalonarhi
21:50.48Technobliteratorim onlin yoo dum
21:50.55Technobliteratorand did you get my message?
21:51.03OluapPlayeryes
21:51.11OluapPlayerbut I can't reply because you appear as offline
21:51.16Technobliteratordum
21:51.20Technobliteratorwhat do you say to the idea?
21:51.25OluapPlayerMonet: "watch me roar!"
21:51.48Technobliteratorthat is such an awesome pic Monet
21:51.51Technobliteratorbloody hell.
21:52.13CatfaceVote http://awards.progrockmag.com/album-of-the-year/rush-clockwork-angels
21:52.16ShalonarMonet: Uriel Waaagh
21:52.27ShalonarJo: Wut
21:52.27OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: It's interesting but I don't see it happening, first because not all game soundtracks are released plus that would take a buttload of work
21:52.47OluapPlayerWhat is that picture for, Monet?
21:52.51TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer: What's game soundtracks got to do with it?
21:52.53MonetUriel is doing a battle-roar, something common when a Draconis makes a pre-battle speech.
21:53.13Technobliteratorand as for buttload of work, i understand what you mean, but it's the kind of stuff that is already being developed as we speak
21:53.26OluapPlayerYour examples are all games
21:53.40TechnobliteratorYeah...and?
21:53.55OluapPlayerThat makes me believe you only mean game music
21:54.03ShalonarMa'fest - An idiotic imbecile practice for brutes who are all shouting. A true warrior needs finesse and skill.
21:54.20Technobliteratoroh no no noo...i mean straming the actual game itself, not game music?
21:54.31Technobliteratormusic streaming already exists in spotify
21:54.39Technobliteratorthis idea is for streming the games themselves
21:54.50Xho_Kithworto - Go feed your rodent children, you mewling rat.
21:55.03Monethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=gz3jJDIHl6I&feature=endscreen considering Draonis sound like this when they roar it's not jut showing off.
21:55.09OluapPlayerBaptarion - It's people like you that make me dislike the rest of the Radeon.
21:55.34OluapPlayerI lol'd at the top comments of that video
21:55.48Technobliteratorso yeah what do you think of the future of games?
21:56.22MonetUriel - You would not be so boastful when such a sound ecohoes in your camp in the dead of night!
21:56.36TechnobliteratorZr'Ahgloth - shut up yor all dum
21:56.49OluapPlayerEA will eat everyone and we'll be their DLC-paying slaves
21:57.06Technobliteratordum y u no comment on my idea now you understand it
21:57.29ShalonarNothing will change. Moneygrabbing, moneygrabbing, moneygrabbing, on both sides.
21:57.37OluapPlayercus my point stands, I don't see it happening due to the work needed
21:57.44Technobliteratorohh
21:57.49Technobliteratorwell you'd be surprised
21:57.58Technobliteratoryoutube, for example, there's video streaming
21:58.13Technobliteratorand this technology as I said on my forum post is already being developed
21:58.35ShalonarMa'fest - A true warrior - a true believer, too - does not feel fear. Fear is irrational. Feel does blind you.
21:58.35TechnobliteratorOnLive, Gakai
21:59.15MonetUriel - Tell that to our enemies.
21:59.37Technobliteratorwwell
21:59.38Technobliteratori'm off
21:59.39Technobliteratorbye!!
21:59.43Monetbye
21:59.47ShalonarBye
22:00.09ShalonarMa'fest - Deadly efficiency and cold determination will bring as much fear.
22:00.54MonetActually it is somewhat hipocritical; draconis describe lesser species they don't like as beasts or animals yet they will roar like that when angry enough.
22:01.13Wormybbl
22:01.32CatfaceDo they think Tralor are lesser species?
22:02.07MonetCatface: Yeah, but they have respect for them.
22:02.16Xho_“Hate. It is a strong word. Not as strong as the gravity of your forthcoming death, mortal.” - Xhodocto to Matheoward
22:03.12MonetUriel - Perhaps you are simly envious that your kind cannot make such a fear-inducing noise?
22:03.39Monetsimply*
22:04.22ShalonarMa'fest - Roaring and screaming is for Artharons. The howl of guns and clash of blades accompany our warriors instead.
22:04.48MonetUriel - The roar is also a signal to one's own men; a powerful roar denotes confidence, strength and determination.
22:05.24MonetUriel - the sound can inspire the hearer that a powerful leader is behind them.
22:05.36Xho_I dunno if a Kicathian roar is more powerful than a Draconis one
22:05.39CatfaceMonet: Tralor sound like this when they are really pissed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StyBEbUosAs
22:05.44Xho_Judging by the Draconis' torso size I doubt it
22:05.56CatfaceOnly much louder.
22:05.58Xho_That is if big lungs = big roar
22:06.18MonetXho: They have three lungs
22:06.30Xho_Yeah they'd make a louder noise then
22:06.56OluapPlayerSpinker - Rawr!      Draconis - RRRAAAAAAAWRRR!       Spinker - Bah.
22:06.59Xho_Kicath often wear helmets so their roar would be a muffled electronic cascading roar
22:08.02Xho_The species that I have with the loudest roar is easily the Xhodocto but mortal-wise probably the Mahanayans
22:08.24CatfaceTralor don't really roar.
22:08.29ShalonarRadeons would probably have a very high-pitched scream as a battle roar
22:08.42Xho_Mahanayan roars sound unholy
22:08.42ShalonarExcept they generally don't do this, because ^
22:09.08CatfaceTralor just make bug noise.
22:09.14MonetManahayans probably sound like horses.
22:09.22MonetMahanayans*
22:09.26Xho_Actually no
22:09.42Xho_Mahanayans are actually  carnivorous
22:09.49OluapPlayerMahanayan - EEEEEEEHOHOHOHOH
22:09.58MonetHorses can still make some scary noises.
22:10.02CatfaceXho_: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DZ0VEjJZs4
22:10.26ShalonarWell they could sound like undead horses from Warcraft
22:10.33Monetbbl
22:10.37Xho_"just when you thought District 9 wasn't real..."
22:11.14Xho_http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=sTCCxx8cFNw&NR=1 Mahanayans are more likely going to sound like this
22:11.29OluapPlayerKhrokar - oi
22:13.00Xho_Kicathian Roars, not so big
22:13.53CatfaceXho_:I heard this when I was camping last time but didn't think much of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKw4OFAu1WM
22:14.06OluapPlayerSpinkers don't actually roar
22:14.08OluapPlayerBut they screech
22:14.41Xho_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDGhN9Dz_P4&feature=related GEEZUSH
22:14.48OluapPlayerAnd their ears get all extended, like those dilophosaurus from Jurassic Park
22:15.50OluapPlayerDracogonarious don't have any "loud scream" noise
22:15.52ShalonarArtharons roar like leopards
22:16.18ShalonarAnd since they are pretty much my only "angry intimidating strong' species
22:16.19OluapPlayerBut with a bite with the strenght of a saltwater crocodile's, they don't really need a scream
22:16.47ShalonarI guess nobody else does scream in my fic
22:17.02OluapPlayerWranploer would let out very loud roars when angry
22:17.18ShalonarIn fact_
22:17.31ShalonarArtharons do empower and weaponise their roars
22:17.50OluapPlayerShower time
22:17.56Xho_Zí-Jittorám roars are extremely low pitched and as such create an underground tremor when they do
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22:19.01ShalonarBook
22:19.03Shalonarhi
22:22.50CatfaceXho_: I hope you find yourself pleased http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=oZ0lqK9bXcg
22:28.14OluapPlayerBack
22:29.16CatfaceWelcome to apple world!
22:29.20OluapPlayerXho_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niHVVf6OSZ0&feature=g-all-lik
22:32.51Xho_oh gawd
22:33.37CatfaceOluapPlayer: Just a normal day in Missouri.
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22:37.58WormyI got another comment from Hilight yay http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500858730192
22:38.29OluapPlayerwho dare
22:38.30OluapPlayerdat*
22:38.36MonetAwayTybusen: Before yo came on we were talking about our creatures and how they roar/scream/screech.
22:38.48TybusenCool
22:39.15MonetAwayit all started when I said Draconis roar like tigers.
22:39.53OluapPlayerMonet I added that Arsac vs Capastrus pic to the war page
22:40.00MonetAwayCool.
22:42.03WormyAn awesome Spore creator, possibly  Spore "celeb, although rightfully
22:42.04MonetAwayCombine that with a third lung and you have a big-ass roar.
22:43.05WormySo, did Hachi return?
22:43.32MonetAway'fraid not.
22:43.41Wormyoh well
22:52.41MonetAwayCurently in ME3 I won't say what im' foing right now but whatever it is that happened on the last mission even paragon Shepard is PISSED.
22:52.56MonetAwayPissed-angry, not pissed-drunk.
22:53.12OluapPlayerI can guess
22:53.12WormyNot piss wasser?
22:54.24MonetAwayI spoke with joker and form what he's telling me my character is more stressed then during the Skyllian Blitz.
22:55.29MonetAwayWhich as Joker put it "was you against 10,000 angry Batarians trying to kill you"
22:55.41OluapPlayerMonetAway: http://i.imgur.com/9FPep.jpg
22:56.25MonetAwayLol.
22:57.22OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/ZIcb0.jpg This is nnngh cute
22:57.29MonetAwayI never considered EDI Anime material, more like a walking fanservice for Joker and tech geeks.
22:59.00OluapPlayerI like this YouTube comment: "  Fuck Batarians. Fuck them right in their eyes.  Man, that's a lot of eye-fucking."
22:59.29MonetAwayWhen you stare at them, which pair are you supposed to be looknig at?
22:59.45MonetAwayWormy: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2fscdzIxJ1rn1c5g.jpg beware!
23:00.48OluapPlayerI think it would be interesting to have a batarian as a squadmate
23:02.04Wormyblasts the robot with a superlaser
23:02.16MonetAwayAdvanced AI + sexy robot body = doom of all mankind
23:02.32OluapPlayerdum she an ally u shuld kill allies
23:04.28MonetAwayWormy hates robots. particualy AIs with sapience.
23:05.55OluapPlayerThat surprises me
23:06.05OluapPlayerHe would crap himself if he saw a Reaper then
23:06.19MonetAwayI would crap myself.
23:06.58WormyI do not think we should buils Strong AI's.  We can't use them for anything, it would be a slave, and, it may not be aware of us or see us as atoms which it can use for something else.
23:07.15WormyToo dangerous and unecessary.
23:07.56WormyPlus robots will take our jobs, if everything id done for us, humans will lose their interllect
23:08.27MonetAwayTherefore machines like EDI would ruin us.
23:08.35Wormydamnit robots should be banned
23:08.42OluapPlayerI'm tempted to just download Mass Effect 3 via torrent, but I'll probably be unable of playing on multiplayer + torrenting games just feels bad to me now
23:09.13OluapPlayerAfter I started buying Valve games I left my old torrent-loving self behind
23:09.20WormyI'm okay with computers, computer controlled machines and swarm robots.  But NOT ais
23:09.55OluapPlayerThat's one of the main points of the Mass Effect franchise
23:10.03OluapPlayerThe organic vs AI conflict
23:10.09Wormyand maybe cyborgs.  Cyboegs are still human
23:10.23CatfaceHardly.
23:10.53MonetAwayThe Reapers = sapient machines who either turn you into a zombie cyborg or turn you into grey goo to build spaceshisp with.
23:11.11OluapPlayerThey consider this as a form of "ascension"
23:11.25OluapPlayerThe Reapers turning you into goo, that is
23:11.50WormyReaper weapons and shields seem poor
23:12.04Wormy"Kinetic shields" and mass drivers
23:12.10OluapPlayerThey rape everything in the galaxy
23:12.12MonetAwayThey're enough to take on entire feleets in-setting single-handed.
23:12.25MonetAwayfleets*
23:12.32OluapPlayerI'm pretty sure it took the entire Quarian species to take down a single Reaper
23:12.36Wormyhttp://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/Reaper#Threat_Assessment
23:12.50WormyThey sound dangerous to Tier 4's
23:13.08MonetAwayI'd put each of the council races at tier 5.
23:14.15WormyMaybe I should move them?
23:14.20Wormyon my tier scale
23:14.29OluapPlayerMass Effect 3 is dum because they downgraded Harbinger to a minor char
23:14.34MonetAwayCouncil space is probably tier 4.
23:14.36OluapPlayerI wanted a chance to blow his ugly face up
23:14.46MonetAwayOne of the reasons they are so effective is that they managed to trick practically all sapient spacefaring powers to advance in the eay the Reapers wanted.
23:15.42WormyArtificial gravity and FTL is usually signature Tier 4 technology, although it doesn't seem Mass Effect are as advanced as Star Trek's Federation
23:16.10WormyFederation is one of the higher Tier 4's though
23:16.10OluapPlayerThe Mass Effect races don't have their own FTL travel mechanisms
23:16.25OluapPlayerThey rely on "relays" created by the Reapers
23:16.28WormyThe Prothean Mass Relays?
23:16.37MonetAwayThe thing is with Mass Effect is that the most advanced technology; the Citadel, the Mass Relays, wasn't built by the modern powers. it's precursor tech.
23:16.55OluapPlayerAll of these are of Reaper origin
23:17.03OluapPlayerThe Protheans were just another species who used them
23:17.26WormyI think I'll downgrade Mass Effect races other than Reapers
23:17.37WormyTo Babylon 5 tech level
23:17.49OluapPlayerA Relay exploding has enough power to destroy an entire star system
23:18.22WormyWhat would you say EVE rates at?
23:18.44WormyIs it known what the Reaper's powersources are?
23:18.52OluapPlayerI'm not sure
23:19.27OluapPlayerBut their power sources must be very good
23:19.28MonetAwayTier 3 at least.
23:19.50OluapPlayerThey can remain outside of the Milky Way for 50,000 years and come back ready for combat
23:20.14MonetAwayWormy: I woudl Rate EVE at tier 3
23:20.45MonetAwayPerhaps higher.
23:21.38OluapPlayerPlus the Relays are scattered across the entire galaxy, a Tier 4 wouldn't be so widespread
23:22.21MonetAwayAdvanced EVE tech: Artificial wormholes, posthumanism, digital and practical immortality, artificial gravity outside of centripedal force, energy shielding, larger megastructures don't seem that present but that could be from game engine limitations.
23:23.30WormyMost of that is Tier 4 tech, except wormholes http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Tier_4
23:25.00MonetAwayapsuleer vessels appear to function via DNI.
23:25.06MonetAwayCapsuleer*
23:27.12MonetAwayThe msot advanced empire in the setting is the Jovian Empire. But hardly anything is known about them.
23:27.45MonetAwayThey used to control msot of known space, then they suffered a condition brought on from playing about too much with genetics.
23:29.04CatfaceOluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Lanat_Empire#Leaders
23:29.11MonetAwayI wouldn't be surprised if the Jovians ahd a few dyson structures.
23:30.34WormyRating EVE and the Reapers will be difficult
23:30.43MonetAwayYeah.
23:31.01WormyPart of me is saying A-type Tier 4 for EVE, except for wormholes...
23:31.58MonetAwayI'm just speculating here but it is possible that in knowing their extinction was inevitable the Jovians could have constructed a dyson bubble with the desire to upload themselves. It is impossible to reach their space. without travelling across interdtellar space.
23:32.02OluapPlayerCatface: Gud, gud
23:32.05WormyThey would need to harness Type II energy sources at least, a Tier 3 could achieve a temporary wormhole if it mustered it all onto a single point in system-sized particl accelerators or a star
23:32.08MonetAwayinterstellar*
23:32.18CatfaceAm I making you proud yet, father?
23:32.26OluapPlayerYes, yes you are
23:32.42MonetAwayWait. a sec I rememebr an article somewhere.
23:33.48CatfaceOut of the three leaders I have done who do you like best?
23:34.26Wormy"Unlike stargates, wormholes are not permanent." - Eve wiki, looking Tier 3'ish
23:34.41OluapPlayerTul
23:35.06MonetAwayI believe stargates function on the principle of wormholes.
23:37.46CatfaceRilt is a nice guy.
23:38.00WormyIt seems wormholes open naturally in the Eve-universe.  And stargates coiuld be hyperspace jump points - that is debatable bit this assumption makes it easier
23:38.40WormyEve stands somewhere between Tier 4 and 3
23:40.13MonetAwayI rememebr seeing spacetime diagrams that implied it was a wormhole connection.
23:41.36MonetAwayWormholes themselves were recent, and no-one within the setting is sure why they are opening now.
23:42.12WormyHmmm, maybe some alien race is coming/experimenting
23:43.01MonetAwayThat is one of the key things about the wormholes. On the other side are an incredibly advanced spacefaring faction called "the sleepers".
23:43.26WormyInteresting
23:43.43CatfaceShould I edit more?
23:43.51MonetAwayNo one is sure if they are alien or human but their guns have a nasty reputation of tearing you apart if you're nto fulyl prepared.
23:44.06WormyUp to you Catface
23:44.15CatfaceNah
23:44.23CatfaceI edited too much for today.
23:46.08WormyHow many systems are controlled by Humanity in the EVE universe?
23:46.45WormyIt seems there isn't a unified government, but still, except perhaps the Jovians most are on a similar scae of advancement.
23:46.49MonetAway5000 according to the site. Problem is, humannity is somewhat divided.
23:47.07MonetAwayBut you are right.
23:47.08OluapPlayerhumans is borin
23:47.29WormyB-type tier 4 then.  The Federation controls about 8000 systems I think
23:47.49WormyAnd Fed ships can transverse certain natural wormholes
23:48.19MonetAwayAlthough only 1/4 of the systems repond to any organised goverment. So-called "empire space" Beyond that it's every man for himself.
23:50.16MonetAwayAmarr empire = 702 sytems, Caldrai State = 326 ssytems, Gallente Federation = 388, Minmatar Republic = 280. They make up empire space i nthe heart of the setting's known space.
23:55.09MonetAwayOutside of this it's like the Italian city-states with dozens of palyer alliances fighting each other for dominance i nthe outer-rim.
23:55.20WormyYeah
23:55.42WormyHave you played Elite?  I may add them.
23:55.56Wormy*add the game overall
23:56.26MonetAwayI know of it.
23:56.52MonetAwayI read an article that Elite was one of the primary inspirations for EVE online.
23:57.27WormyAnd Infinity

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