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06:56.19CatfaceHello Ghelae
06:56.27GhelaeHi!
06:56.59CatfaceSo how are you today?
06:57.41GhelaeI'm okay. How are you?
06:58.09CatfaceI'm fine but I just had a wired idea. Remember siperdellyeer?
06:58.16GhelaeYes.
06:59.23CatfaceCould he be rawrsauce or 99c? I remeber rawr saying something about him returning before he left.
07:00.14GhelaeI doubt it. 99c probably wouldn't troll IRC like that to make everybody wary of him, and he'd probably be more active on the wiki.
07:00.53CatfaceHmm your right.
07:01.00GhelaeSiper has made a total of twelve edits.
07:02.25CatfaceRight. I think he would do what he did last time, sneak into the wiki, blend in, then cause chaos.
07:03.00GhelaeExactly. And with what he did on IRC, people are probably expecting Siper to cause chaos already.
07:03.46CatfaceUnless it was one of his friends.
07:03.51CatfaceSiper
07:04.26GhelaeMaybe. Still, he's not going to be any threat to the wiki.
07:05.16CatfaceJust a minor distraction.
07:07.26CatfaceI'm glad Dinoman is making the Rambo Nation more powerful. They have been underpowered for sometime now.
07:09.22GhelaeYes. Even as late as the end of the Imperial Civil War (which canonically ended a few weeks before the end of 2010, IIRC), their ships could still be easily one-hit-killed by "transphasic"-class missiles, unlike those of most other major empires.
07:11.17CatfaceYeah, I'm still upset over the IA. I really liked them.
07:13.34GhelaeI would have thought that the Imperial Remnant would have become part of the CAS, but apparently not.
07:14.19CatfaceBut it is respectable that he isn't making his fictions more powerful to compete with other fictions.
07:14.26CatfaceYeah, me too.
07:15.00CatfaceBut I think he might have something big planned.
07:15.18GhelaeAlmost certainly.
07:16.25CatfaceThat or he is trying to get out of the fiction, and that would make me sad because he is the reason I started making fiction.
07:19.37CatfaceHe even put up with me during my noob stage.
07:20.07GhelaeOf course, destroying Rambo Nation could be the big thing he has planned.
07:20.53CatfaceBut I would think with the amout of work he put into it he would want to keep them around.
07:21.15GhelaeMaybe.
07:22.20CatfaceAlso, do you think this would be in reach of an upper tier 3 almost tier 2 empire? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Metal-Crystal_Phase_Shifter
07:22.22CatfaceOh
07:22.27CatfaceLate post :(
07:27.51CatfaceI'll ask you again later
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09:06.01Wormyhi
09:06.09IrskaadHello.
09:08.57Irskaad*The "Can I pet you show" gets broadcasted to the Whole DCP - It's about Lezia petting people*
09:15.46GhelaeHello!
09:15.55IrskaadHello! =D
09:20.51GhelaeWormy: Two things: First of all, what was your newest idea about how tractor beams work? As you may have noticed, I've started doing some more work on the standard weapons tech page, and with things like the eradication of gravitions from SporeWikiverse cosmology, the "graviton beam" section definitely needs rewriting.
09:21.48WormyPerhaps it is just a very advanced optical tweezer
09:22.05WormyOr the anti-laser recently developed
09:22.20WormyOtherwise I'm not sure how they operate
09:22.24GhelaeSo they'd be a type of photonic weapon?
09:23.03WormyMaybe, or maybe it is a form of warp which causes space to collapse and rebound in the direction of the tractor
09:23.39WormySince warp drives are perhaps the most common FTL such a piece isn't a big leap
09:23.42Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#The_.22Can_I_pet_you.3F.22_show Lol.
09:24.14WormyI added my neutronim arrows to Hyperluminal missiles
09:24.42Wormyits not quite one though, so I added sub and hyper to the section header
09:25.05IrskaadSeen my new section on the UDB?
09:25.29WormyHave you dec8ided toremove Photonic cannons, note that the Coalition of Delpha uses them if you remoived them simply because no one else had it
09:27.24GhelaeWell, it was partly that. It was also due to the fact that it was based on some science that I just made up myself, and that I realised was unnecessary - like in "photon torpedo", the adjective "photonic" basically means "glowy".
09:27.33GhelaeIt just sounds more sciency.
09:28.57GhelaeIn-universe, "photonic cannon" would either refer to a glowing particle beam weapon, or more likely, a very high-powered laser.
09:29.18WormyThe Expirators weapon is probably a subatomic disruptor
09:29.30Wormythen
09:31.59WormyShall we add a section about godweapons?
09:33.23GhelaeMaybe. What weapons exactly are you thinking of?
09:35.12WormyThings like Spaitial compression waves, chaos wands, spacetime weapons, info dicplacement etc
09:35.21Wormy*spatial
09:35.42GhelaeAren't they just the ones that fit under "Spacetime and dimensional manipulation"?
09:35.47Wormythey aren't normal weapons, they are stuff that empires 1.3 to 0 have
09:36.02Wormynot all are though
09:36.33WormyThe BCC's information displacement is for about the information of the universe
09:37.05GhelaeAh. Well, you listed that under "spacetime and dimensional manipulation" on the page. So, what are the other godweapons?
09:37.17WormyAnd then of course there is the minor spacetime manipulation like TRactors if we use the principle of warp
09:40.53GhelaeIf those tractor beams end up being used in fiction, they'd count as spacetime manipulation too. For now, I've just put them under photonic weapons.
09:41.00Wormyokay
09:41.29WormyThere are some examples, if we take The Junction into account they could weapons of dark energy
09:41.57GhelaeIn the SporeWikiverse, dark energy is probably just the result of a "Shadow Brane", isn't it?
09:42.16WormyAnd the BCC's ability to program universes physical laws
09:42.28Wormywell, enertgy on the dark brane
09:42.29Ghelae...Maybe "spacetime and dimensional manipulation" should be its own category, rather than a subcategory of "special/exotic weapons".
09:42.47WormyI think so too
09:43.04WormyAnd the Singularity capaput, where would we place that?
09:43.25WormyIts a better explanation than my old "black hole generator" concept
09:43.52WormyBecause I added it to exotic projectiles, but it could count as spacetime maniulation
09:44.04GhelaeIt depends on what the "device which contains micro-black holes" is.
09:45.10GhelaeIt's probably another form of spacetime manipulation, yes.
09:46.04WormyIts a device which contains an electromagnetic lattice of fields used to suspend the singularities.  However, on impact they contain just enough mas to feed the tiny black holes, which then soon decay in big explosions
09:46.18Wormybut the device is a solid
09:47.38WormyHave you ever watched Donnie Darko?  I watched it last night, it is a  surrealist psychological thriller and sci-fi
09:48.06WormyIt was very weird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko
09:48.11GhelaeNo, I haven't seen it.
09:49.09GhelaeOn the singularity catapult, we probably need to change "exotic particle weapons" to "exotic variants on projectile and particle weapons", or something to that effect. Singularity catapults would fit in that category.
09:49.58WormyIndeed that sounds better
09:58.24GhelaeAlso, should nanoswarms go in that category? I came to the conclusion that nanobot weapons could be a variety of projectile weapon - they're essentially a hi-tech version of chemical/biological/radiological weapons - but they might not necessarily be "simple" enough to be classed with the rest of them.
09:59.01GhelaeThinking about it, the problem is that the division between "normal" and "exotic" weapons is probably arbitrary.
10:02.19WormyExotic might be anything considered very unusual in daily common sense of the world, but yes, the DCP use technologies other races might finf more exotic than they do
10:02.50Wormywhile to the DCP it is quite under the norm
10:15.44GhelaeWell, those edits to the page have been made now.
10:19.55Wormycool i'll go and see
10:21.01GhelaeThe second thing I wanted to ask you: on the Humanity page, did you decide to list all of those mythical and semi-mythical advanced ancient civilisations for... erm... actually, I'm not sure. Why did you decide to list all of them? Some of them are just fictional, like Lemuria (made up to explain the presence of similar species on different sides of the Indian Ocean), and the identification of the Uigur as one seems to me to be a
10:21.58GhelaeI know it's just fiction, but it looks as though you've just... I don't know. Like you've just gone and listed every mythical and legendary advanced civilisation you can find.
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11:43.00Wormy@Ghelae_away I listed them all because I like them all
11:43.04Wormynot whehether they really existed or not
11:43.24WormyI have an idea of a pre-civilization
11:43.47Wormythe an ancient political world
11:45.49Wormy<PROTECTED>
11:47.23WormyAtlantis was in the Mediterranean
11:47.43IrskaadWormy, Lezia pet the DCP Representative's hologram.
11:51.48WormyAnd of course Santorini, an ancient portt of the world which erupted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini
11:52.16WormyThe collapse of the Ancient civilizations was a nuclear war and the destructioin of Santorini
11:52.24Wormyand aliens
11:52.48Wormythen Lezia will be the death of her own people
11:53.34WormyI think Atlantis probably was Santorini
11:54.18GhelaeYes, in real life, Atlantis was probably a Mediterranean civilisation.
11:54.53WormyWell, Santorini was very similar, it was a sort of port of the known world, and is even in a similar shape
11:55.22WormyThen, the people of those didn't realize they were sitting on a volcano
11:55.31Wormy*those times
11:57.45WormyGuess was this story is about, the clue is in the title (if you know a bit about cosmology) http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Destinies_in_time#Omega_greater_than_1
11:58.24IrskaadSomething about the Universe's shape.
11:58.36Wormygood
11:59.10IrskaadWhen are you replying to the petting?
11:59.15Wormyif omega is  Î©>1 the universe is closed in on itself
11:59.38Wormyour universe seems to be Ω=1
11:59.54Wormylater
12:00.41WormyI'm currently writing Destines in time
12:00.56WormySo, whats happens to closed universes?
12:01.21Ghelae*guesses* Big Crunch?
12:01.26WormyIndeed
12:01.30Ghelae:D
12:01.55IrskaadIs the voyager going to go through the Kraw Galaxy?
12:01.59WormyBut without givining a way the ending, something very important to the species I'm writing about will happen at the end
12:02.03GhelaeIrskaad: What was Gol'Taus talking about when she mentioned passing laws? Is she was still talkingh to Mazipnos... he didn't mention anything about laws.
12:02.24GhelaeIf*
12:02.32Ghelaetalking*
12:02.40WormyAs for the organisms themselves they are very strange with plant and animal-like qualities
12:03.07IrskaadWell, he thought for something like "petting less" to happen, it must be lawed.
12:03.28GhelaeAh, okay.
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12:15.28FalcoPunchHey Irs
12:15.35IrskaadHello!
12:15.49FalcoPunchhow are ya?
12:15.54IrskaadI am good.
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12:20.29Wormyhi again
12:20.41IrskaadHello, Vörmulon.
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12:21.46Technobliteratorhry
12:21.47Technobliteratorhey
12:22.21IrskaadHello, Rotaretilbonhcet.
12:22.29Technobliteratorwtf
12:22.39IrskaadRead it backwards.
12:23.04Technobliteratori cant
12:23.09Technobliteratorim dyslexic :L
12:23.14FalcoPunchIt says Technobliterator
12:23.20Technobliteratoroh
12:23.40FalcoPunchAnd hey, Tech!
12:23.44Technobliteratorhey
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12:34.38TechnobliteratorXho: why arent you on msn?
12:34.50XhoI disconnected and can't reconnect
12:34.58Technobliteratorhow?
12:35.02Xho...
12:35.04XhoHow do I know
12:35.10Technobliteratorwhy wont it let you reconnect i mean?
12:35.19XhoOh it's just retarded
12:35.24Technobliteratorhaha
12:37.21XhoI took a picture of a Xhodocto Hatchling and iz uploading it to the wiki
12:37.35IrskaadYay!
12:39.11XhoIt's ironic the hatchlings are kinda cute
12:39.24IrskaadAwwwwwwwwwwwww
12:39.24Xhohttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/82/BabyXhodocto.png
12:40.09XhoNo one ask how it grows into this; http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110211001459/spore/images/9/95/XhodoctoConcept.png
12:40.28IrskaadHow does it grow into that?
12:40.33Xho=.=
12:40.40Irskaad=P
12:43.34Technobliteratorit just does
12:48.46Xhohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d7/FemaleXhodocto.png A female
12:49.05Wormyhi Xhol Techno
12:49.18XholHello
12:49.39WormyI'm writing a sci-fi
12:49.52XhoWhat about?
12:50.18WormyOmega greater than one http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Destinies_in_time#Omega_greater_than_1
12:50.28WormyThe last race in a collapsing universe
12:50.44Wormyone nearly upon a Big Crunch
12:51.45WormyHave you ever seen Donnie Darko?
12:51.55XhoNope
12:52.01WormyIt was a phsycological thriller/sci-fi
12:52.29WormyVery, very surreal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko
12:52.33WormyYou might like it
12:53.03Wormytrailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqVHjK2bQs
12:55.59Technobliteratoris what youre writing on the wiki
12:56.02Technobliterator?
12:57.22IrskaadI'm going for a while, bye.
12:57.30Technobliteratork
12:57.43WormynO I'm writing Omega Greater Than One
12:57.51Technobliteratoroh
12:57.55Technobliteratorcool
12:58.38Wormythough the film has weird music too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_9_PBeMUQ&feature=related
12:59.18Technobliteratorlistening to chris brown atm so i might look at thast later
12:59.20Technobliteratorthat
13:10.42Ghelaelooks at the new female Xhodocto
13:10.50GhelaeImperios is going to be so disappointed...
13:15.13XhoWhy?
13:15.22Technobliteratorcos its not sexy
13:15.32XhoImperios Defense System
13:16.35Technobliteratorhaha
13:17.18GhelaeOh, one thing I was going to ask: Are the Ottzel, Galot and Loron, etc and all other non-Kralgon Ottzelloan races part of UNO now (besides those individuals who have been enslaved by other empires)?
13:18.22GhelaeI've been editing the standard weapons tech page, and if all of those races are merged into one, then I'll change the entries on the page relating to them to say "United Nations of Ottzello".
13:19.38Technobliteratoroloron arent
13:19.50GhelaeOkay.
13:19.53Technobliteratorloron are enslaved by kralgon
13:19.57Technobliteratorbesides that youre right
13:20.24GhelaeSo are all Loron enslaved by the Kralgon (or possessed by Shu'ulathoi)?
13:20.37Technobliteratoryepp
13:21.05GhelaeShould the Loron entries be removed, or do they still use their own ships and weapons?
13:28.58Technobliteratorremove them
13:29.01Technobliteratorwait
13:29.05Technobliteratorno dont remove them
13:29.20Technobliteratorits gonna change so they have better weapons soon tho
13:29.36GhelaeOkay.
13:29.50Technobliteratoractually remove all except for bullets and flamethrowers
13:29.55Technobliteratorcos theyre gonna have new ones
13:30.27Ghelae...Okay.
13:30.51Technobliteratorsorry im having difficulty making up my mind
13:31.01Technobliteratorso yeah thats the final decision
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13:31.08ImperiosHi people.
13:31.10ImperiosHm...
13:31.29ImperiosWormy, can you tell me one of the bands you like?
13:31.41WormyKaiser Cheifs
13:31.51ImperiosI am now trying to listen to the bands which my friends like
13:31.58ImperiosOtto Dix, for example.
13:32.04WormyListen to I predict a Riot
13:32.15WormyAnd A million miles from here
13:32.25GhelaeHello!
13:32.31WormyAnd also check out another band, Progidy, Firestarter
13:32.41Wormyhi there again
13:34.15Technobliteratorkaiser chiefs are cool
13:35.51Technobliteratori predict a riot is a tune ;)
13:35.51ImperiosOh Techie
13:35.54Technobliteratorhey
13:35.54Imperioswhat are you listening?
13:36.01Technobliteratorartists?
13:36.12ImperiosWhat band?
13:36.29Technobliteratorartists i listen to arent bands, just singers
13:36.46Technobliteratorrihanna, chris brown, usher and some rappers like tinie tempah, eminem and kanye west
13:36.59Technobliteratoroh well black eyed peas and d-12 are a band
13:38.00ImperiosAnybody seen Warhammer 40k cover of Caramelldansen?
13:39.05ImperiosIn honor of Irskaad, I will download a few Lady Gaga songs.
13:39.14Technobliteratorhaha
13:39.20Technobliteratorlady gagas really cool
13:39.39Technobliteratortelephone, bad romance and born this way are the best
13:39.54ImperiosNow instead of simple rock/metal playlist, I have a horrific mashup of pop, power metal, heavy metal, death meta, punk rock, rock, darkwave and some rap.
13:40.12Technobliteratorcool :)
13:40.24Technobliteratornah its ok to have different genres
13:40.32Technobliteratormines got rnb and some rap and some soul
13:42.40Technobliteratorsoon as ive got time i gotta download best love song by t-pain
13:54.16ImperiosTelfar wonders whether he needs to ascend some Asgords into Manifest.
13:55.12ImperiosProbably he does not wants petting Eola'Nar.
13:56.25GhelaeAn Asgord Eola'Nar could pet a Xhodocto to death.
13:56.37GhelaeWhy would he *not* want that?
13:58.17Imperioshttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110409124811/spore/images/d/d7/FemaleXhodocto.png XHODDIEGURL
13:58.41GhelaeI thought you'd be disappointed by it.
13:59.18ImperiosWell ugly and cute at the same time.
13:59.20ImperiosBut cute.
13:59.28ImperiosCUTE MONSTER GIRL
13:59.57Technobliteratoryoure such a perv :O
14:00.46ImperiosExactly.
14:01.05ImperiosAnd I still think that Angazhar is rapist.
14:01.19ImperiosBecause he looks like one, sounds like one, and acts like one.
14:04.04WormyEveryone, check out my knew short story, Omega Great than 1 http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Destinies_in_time#Omega_greater_than_1
14:05.16WormyListen to this at the same time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_9_PBeMUQ&feature=related
14:12.24WormyAbd this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TNQdwL9o1E&feature=related
14:13.30ImperiosHm, Ghe, OP, is it ok that I added racial info to Grox?
14:13.39Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Grox
14:15.26ImperiosGhe?
14:15.27ImperiosOP?
14:15.57ImperiosOh, OP isn't here.
14:15.58ImperiosGHE?
14:16.01ImperiosWormy?
14:16.32GhelaeI'll have a look.
14:16.34Technobliteratoryeah its fine
14:17.00Technobliteratori wish editors werent so worried what they added will be bad
14:17.45GhelaeYeah, it's fine.
14:18.08Technobliteratoroh god
14:18.16Technobliteratorthe layout for the grox page is awful
14:18.21Technobliteratori need to redo it
14:19.16Imperioshttp://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Loron
14:19.33Technobliteratorwtf
14:19.38ImperiosYes.
14:19.40ImperiosWTF
14:19.41Technobliteratori didnt know loron meant anything
14:19.46Imperiosthere is name Loron@Q
14:20.00Imperiosit is equivalent of Loren
14:20.54Imperioshttp://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/13th_Penal_Legion#Final_Mission_Personnel
14:20.56Imperiosalso
14:21.11Imperioshttp://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100001547.html
14:21.19ImperiosDA LORONZ EVERYWHERE
14:22.19Technobliteratorim making a new grox layout in my sandbox
14:24.38Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator/Sandbox/Grox
14:24.40Technobliteratorhows that?
14:25.02Technobliteratorthats a tester
14:25.03Technobliteratornot done yet
14:27.30GhelaeIt seems to be an improvement on the current layout, yeah.
14:32.15Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Technobliterator/Sandbox/Grox
14:32.28Technobliteratorwe need to get rid of that huuuuge long bit of text
14:33.16GhelaeWhich one? The introduction?
14:34.13Technobliteratoryeah
14:34.43Technobliteratorperhaps put it under the characteristics header?
14:34.48GhelaeThe things about effect of terraforming and other races' views of the Grox can be moved elsewhere.
14:35.01GhelaeThat should get rid of most of it.
14:35.03Technobliteratoryeahh
14:35.08Technobliteratorcan you do it?
14:35.31ImperiosLoron tablets contain the active ingredient disodium clodronate, which is a type of medicine called a bisphosphonate. Bisphosphonates are medicines that reduce the turnover of bone in the body.
14:35.51GhelaeNot at the moment. I still have quite a bit of homework to do...
14:36.20Technobliteratoroh ok
14:36.31Technobliteratorwhere should it go do you reckon?
14:36.32Technobliteratornotes?
14:36.57GhelaeHmm...
14:37.37GhelaeThe information about terraforming could go in a "Biology" subsection in the "Characteristics" section.
14:37.46Technobliteratoryeahh
14:38.15GhelaeYou could have a "Relationship with other empires" section in the "Notes" part, in which the other information could go.
14:39.34GhelaeThat should just leave the information about who the Grox are, their personality, and the fact that they're antagonists with an empire of 2400 systems around the Galactic Core as the only things in the introductory paragraph.
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14:40.08ImperiosWelcome Dino!
14:40.13Dino_hello
14:40.17Technobliteratorhey
14:40.33TechnobliteratorGhelae: i'll just add it to notes
14:40.35GhelaeHi!
14:40.40GhelaeBRB
14:41.25Dino_so how is everyone doing?
14:41.30Dino_And did I  miss something?
14:42.58Ghelaeback
14:43.02GhelaeI'm okay. How are you?
14:43.24Wormyhello
14:45.06Technobliteratorok ive redone layout
14:45.31Dino_Great to hear :D Iam also fine thank you
14:49.29Technobliteratorgrox/history is unnecessary
14:49.36Technobliteratortime to merge
14:49.42Technobliteratoragree?
14:50.09Technobliteratorbrb lunch
14:52.17GhelaeOkay. And yes, it should be merged.
14:52.43GhelaeA lot of the information is redundant (e.g. effects of terraforming), there's somet that's speculation, and a lot of the page is just quotes from Rares.
14:53.59Technobliteratorspeculation should be removed
14:54.34GhelaeYes, that's what I meant to write.
14:55.06Technobliteratordo you reckon we should remove the what rares say about the grox?
14:55.16Technobliteratorthat content is already on the rares' pages
14:55.41GhelaeYes.
14:56.16Technobliteratori'll just add it to the notes
14:56.39Technobliteratorok delete grox/history page now?
14:58.07GhelaeDone.
14:59.05Technobliteratorgood good
14:59.13Technobliteratoridk if grox/trivia should be merged?
14:59.52Technobliteratorim removing unneeded headers atm
15:00.31GhelaeNot unless it gets cleaned up. The page was split from the main Grox page for a reason; merging them would make the Grox page too long.
15:00.42Technobliteratoroh i see
15:02.07Technobliteratordo you reckon what i added to the notes section should be moved to the grox/trivia page?
15:02.11Technobliteratorim not sure
15:02.35Technobliteratorand perhaps the galactic adventures bit?
15:04.26GhelaeAll of the things above the Galactic Adventures section could be merged to Grox/Trivia, yes, since it's just a long bulleted list.
15:05.45Technobliteratoralright shall i do that
15:09.47Technobliteratori g2g for a bit
15:09.50Technobliteratorbrb
15:11.09GhelaeOkay.
15:35.25*** join/#sporewiki Catface (459a6eef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.154.110.239)
15:35.35CatfaceHello
15:35.42GhelaeHi!
15:36.03CatfaceGhelae I want to ask you something.
15:36.09GhelaeOkay.
15:37.55CatfaceDo you think this would be in reach of an upper tier 3, almost 2 empire? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Metal-Crystal_Phase_Shifter
15:38.12Technobliteratorback
15:38.27GhelaeMaybe.
15:38.56GhelaeIt sounds similar to "subatomic disruptor" weapons (on the stnadard weapons tech page, "quark-gluon deconfinement disruptors").
15:39.24GhelaeAlthough only Tier 2 and 1 empires currently have them, the Tier system isn't so rigid for that to be an absolute limit.
15:40.08GhelaeIf the empire you're talking about has other, similar technology (e.g. quark/gluon manipulation technology), then it would be much more likely for them to have subatomic disruptors too.
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15:42.47CatfaceOkay brb
15:42.50IrskaadBoo
15:43.14ImperiosРш Шкылффв
15:43.24ImperiosHi Irskaad.
15:43.27Imperiosh
15:43.30ImperiosHm...
15:43.31ImperiosI wonder
15:43.42IrskaadHello, Imperator!
15:44.32ImperiosIs Source mentioned in Portuguese translation of Spore civilization shate?
15:44.34Imperios*stage
15:44.43IrskaadI have no idea.
15:45.30ImperiosHave not you played Civ stage?
15:46.06IrskaadYes I have, but I didn't pay much attention to any "Source".
15:46.54Catfaceback
15:46.58CatfaceHi Irsk
15:47.05IrskaadHello.
15:49.23Catface@Ghelae I'm sure the ULE has been messing around with that.
15:49.36GhelaeOkay.
15:51.08CatfaceI think it would be best for them to become a tier 2 empire (And they will be very soon) before I give them a weapon like that.
15:56.47CatfaceAnyways
15:56.56GhelaeIt's not necessary. Perhaps that technology will be enoguh to give them low Tier 2 status.
15:57.00GhelaeOf course, it's your choice.
15:57.46CatfaceMaybe.
15:59.07CatfaceI think I will do that.
16:00.01IrskaadULE are Tier 3.8? I expected them to be far stronger than this.
16:00.21Technobliteratorso booored
16:01.22CatfaceWell they have many Tier 2 qualities.
16:02.00CatfaceThat saying they was able to stand up aginst the DCP in ground combat.
16:05.53GhelaeLike I said, the Tier system isn't rigid. Besides, the main reason for the DCP's Tier 1 status is things such as their spacetime manipulation technology and their megastructures, which aren't exactly applicable to ground combat.
16:08.08Technobliteratorimma add to 3rd ottzelo war
16:08.44CatfaceAnd most ULE ships can stand up against URC warships, and win.
16:15.55Irskaad~seen OluapPlayer
16:15.57infobotoluapplayer <c903d9f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.3.217.245> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 19h 6m 20s ago, saying: 'I suck at these'.
16:17.14CatfaceIrsk Asgordians are kinda...strage. O_o
16:17.26IrskaadI know.
16:18.17CatfaceYour not like that in real life, are you?
16:18.30IrskaadNope.
16:18.45Technobliteratorhe acts like it
16:18.55Technobliteratorasgordians are stereotypical
16:19.12CatfaceGood XD
16:19.42IrskaadWhere's Oluap I want to talk to him
16:19.54Technobliteratorwe've all asked the same thing
16:20.14IrskaadI miss him already
16:22.07Catface~Summon OluapPlayer
16:22.07infobotapt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing OluapPlayer's coordinates
16:44.40CatfaceSo
16:45.19CatfaceKind of dead today
16:45.30Technobliteratoryeah
16:45.45IrskaadOluap where are you?
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16:51.53Um2k9Hello everyone!
16:52.03IrskaadHello.
16:52.26Technobliteratorhey
16:52.35*** join/#sporewiki Imperios (b242263f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.66.38.63)
16:52.35CatfaceYAY UM IS HERE!
16:52.42CatfaceAnd that guy
16:52.43Catfacej/k
16:53.34Um2k9Hi!
16:54.51GhelaeHello!
16:55.30Technobliteratorhaha and that guy
16:55.33Um2k9Hi Ghelae!
16:56.09Um2k9I got the stalking problem on Facebook... taking care of. (Insert stereotypical evil laugh)
16:56.59IrskaadGlad I don't have facebook.
16:57.55Um2k9I basically told her to GTFO and STFU, but I did it eloquently...
16:59.19Technobliteratorhaha
16:59.27Technobliteratorgood good
16:59.32Technobliteratorstalkers are annoying
16:59.32CatfaceGOOD
16:59.47TechnobliteratorIrskaad: just cos of a stalker? youre missing a lot
16:59.51Technobliteratorfacebooks awesome
16:59.56Um2k9Yeah, it is great
17:00.22ImperiosI do not use Facebook, but I have an account/
17:00.25IrskaadI hate facebook. Worst social site ever. (I don't use social sites anyways)
17:00.31Technobliteratoryoure silly
17:00.39ImperiosGhe, you here?
17:00.49Um2k9Then how do you know you don't like it if you don't use it?
17:00.57Technobliteratorexactly
17:01.02GhelaeImperios: Yes.
17:01.18Technobliteratoryou cant hate on a site without any real reasons
17:01.22IrskaadBecause facebook is dangerous.
17:01.27Technobliteratorohlol
17:01.33Technobliteratoryoure so paranoid!!
17:01.44IrskaadI know. That's how I am alive today.
17:01.57Technobliteratorno it means you miss out on a hell of a lot in life
17:02.02CatfaceIt will kill you one day.
17:02.11Technobliteratorexactly
17:02.12ImperiosI use social netweorks, rarely.
17:02.22ImperiosBut I do not use facebook, I use Вконтакте.
17:02.34IrskaadHow will it kill me?
17:02.41Technobliteratorhes so paranoid its actually ridiculous, i mean he said he didnt want to go to england because thered be protests. that is just silly
17:03.06Imperioshttp://vk.com/index.php
17:03.08ImperiosI use this.
17:03.40IrskaadI fear nuclear warheads so I am glad I live here.
17:04.03Technobliteratorgood lord you are so paranoid its unreal
17:04.06GhelaeWhat, in a NATO member state?
17:04.15Um2k9^
17:04.35Um2k9Hooray for neutrality!
17:04.35IrskaadLol, Portugal is one of the most terrorist-free nations ever.
17:04.51ImperiosAgree, but to me it is kinda boring.
17:05.00GhelaeWhat do terrorists have to do with things? They don't use nuclear warheads. Governments do.
17:05.17GhelaeMost terrorists, if they got a nuclear bomb, wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.
17:05.19Technobliteratorirskaad lets put it this way; you WONT be bombed by a nuclear bomb if you go to a counrty for one day
17:05.21ImperiosI do not remember Portugal being mentioned in my history books, actually. Dunno, IMO Portugal is boring.
17:05.22IrskaadBut they'll ignore portugal for we are "that tiny country next to spain".
17:05.23ImperiosYes.
17:05.39GhelaeAll the better reason to be suspicious of you!
17:05.50IrskaadWTF
17:05.55Ghelae"Portugal seems to be keeping out of international affairs... what are they planning?"
17:05.57CatfaceIf terrorist had nukes they would of already used them.
17:06.01Technobliteratorme and ghelae and loads of people on the wiki LIVE in england (and um lives next to it) and have we been bombed by nuclear warheads
17:06.05Technobliteratormethinks not
17:06.06CatfaceROBOTIC ARMY!
17:06.16ImperiosWe Russians have a cool history.
17:06.23ImperiosWe've almost conquered the world!
17:06.34ImperiosEveryone thinks we are the Empire of Evil, and WE ARE.
17:06.35Irskaad=d
17:06.36Technobliteratorbritain has as well
17:06.36Um2k9Our history is... exciting.
17:06.38Irskaad=D
17:06.45Technobliteratorbritain had a 3rd of the world
17:06.48GhelaeImperios: If by "the world", you mean "northern Asia". :P
17:06.51ImperiosWell, and we almost never had a true democracy.
17:06.52Technobliteratoror two thirds cant remember
17:06.57Um2k9gives an evil eye to all the English people on IRC
17:07.03Um2k9j/k
17:07.08ImperiosI do not reallyt think we have a democracy now.
17:07.18Technobliteratorlol what have i done Um2k9??! :(
17:07.20Catface@Um The UK wants you back!
17:07.28Um2k9lol
17:07.31Technobliteratoryeah come back!!
17:07.35ImperiosWe always have a cool, charismatic ruler, be it Ivan the Terrible, Josef Stalin or Vladimir Putin.
17:07.51British_Empireconquers Ireland. Again.
17:07.52Um2k9Ireland
17:07.57Um2k9Whoops
17:08.18Technobliteratorso what? we always have an awesome inhabitant, known as JOSEPHINE PAULONIS
17:08.19Russiaconquers the entire world.
17:08.34youreallsillyyoure so silly
17:08.45GhelaeBRB
17:08.47Technobliteratoroh wait
17:08.50Irelandunleashes Leprechauns on the UK
17:08.56Technobliteratori forgot im not meant to change nick anymore!! :(
17:09.03Technobliteratorcos my nick is registered
17:09.21IrskaadPortugal is a safe place. Unlike London or new york which can be bombed by nuclear warheads.
17:09.21RusianFedlaunches nukes on Ireland, UK, and Portugal.
17:09.34IrskaadOh shi-
17:09.35Cambodiahttp://www.psy-nonym.de/topmodel.gif
17:10.03Irelandmakes nukes using leprechaun magic and nukes the Russian Federation
17:10.06RusianFedYeah, Portugal is BORING.
17:10.16RusianFedreforms into Soviet Union
17:10.22IrskaadI know. But at least I know of it.
17:10.41SovietUnionchanges capital to Vladivostok and bombs the entire world again.
17:10.43Badmanlandim not gonna nuke any country in the world except portugal!!!
17:10.54Irelandgoes bankrupt
17:10.58IrskaadWTF *Moves to coimbra*
17:11.03Technobliteratorhaha
17:11.22Technobliteratorthats hilarious ireland goes bankrupt afternkilling everyone
17:11.29Um2k9lol
17:11.48SovietUnionOh, Russian conquered the world. DEAL WITH IT.
17:11.48IrskaadLol, did everyone see the quote on my Userpage?
17:11.58Um2k9Ireland is so much better at rebelling then Scotland
17:12.11Technobliteratoryeah ikr
17:12.13Um2k9It took a few centuries, but we got there!
17:12.37CatfaceBut the US rules them all!
17:12.56CatfaceIn rebelling
17:14.29Ghelaeback
17:14.32ImperiosAnd yes, we're the Third Rome.
17:15.04GhelaeI don't know what the history books say in Russia, Imperios...
17:15.20Technobliteratorhaha
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17:15.38Wormyhi
17:15.38Technobliteratorheyy
17:15.39Um2k9http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1224611.stm - Interesting
17:15.46Um2k9We are waging war on each other!
17:15.46CatfaceI'm going to start the Gread Uprising soon.
17:15.49GhelaeHello!
17:15.56Imperioshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome
17:16.00Wormyhello there
17:16.25Catface"A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
17:16.26Um2k9Wormy, did you know that one in four Britons claim to have Irish background, a new survey suggests.
17:16.41Technobliteratori do
17:16.45ImperiosAnd we have aquila as a national symbol... CERTAINLY RUSSIA WILL BECOME IMPERIUM IN FUTURE.
17:17.04WormyWell, many came here after the potato blight the after the war to get jobs
17:17.15Technobliteratoryepp
17:17.24Um2k9Indeed
17:17.39Um2k9Ironically, I don't like potatoes!
17:17.42WormySay "whale oil beef hooked" as fast as you can (Hope this doersn't offend you Um, but i doubt it)
17:18.15WormyIt sounds Irish!
17:18.38Um2k9lol
17:18.48Um2k9I can't do it +(
17:19.02Um2k9Oh wait, lol
17:19.04WormyI am quarter Irish
17:19.14WormyHalf Viking, and a bit of Russian, Polish and Spanish
17:20.01CatfaceI'm human
17:20.05Um2k9Pretty diverse background!
17:20.12Um2k9I am all Irish
17:20.21CatfaceYou skinhead!
17:20.21ImperiosI like mashed potatoes.
17:20.24Technobliteratormines more diverse
17:20.25Catfacej/k
17:20.27ImperiosI'm all Korean.
17:20.29WormyThere is no such thing as pure breds!
17:20.37Um2k9ORLY?
17:20.44Technobliteratorim lithuanian, british, welsh and irish
17:20.45WormyNORLY
17:20.46ImperiosWell, I am generally Korean.
17:20.46CatfaceBy dog is!
17:20.54Catface*My
17:20.58WormyI got some Scottish in me somwhere
17:21.07Um2k9Though apparently my surname has some French in it.
17:21.29WormyI like the Viking side, they wre some of the first to go tomAmerica
17:21.52Um2k9They conquered us. =(
17:21.58WormySo the Vikings might have pillaged the Native Americans so I could have some of that too
17:22.08Technobliteratormy names lithuanian
17:22.12Technobliteratorwll my surname is
17:22.15Technobliteratorjosephine idk
17:22.41Um2k9French, I believe
17:22.45WormyI have some famous people in my surname but I ain't showiung , or the Survellience people will be on a lead
17:23.11Technobliteratorprobably is french yeah
17:24.06TechnobliteratorHe is of Scottish, English, German, Swiss, Polish, and possibly Luxembourgian ancestry. (eminem page on wikipedia) yeah eminems got a more diverse background than any of us ;)
17:25.16Technobliteratorlol awkward silence
17:25.35WormyAll feared the Vikings
17:25.47Technobliteratoryepp
17:25.58Technobliteratorvikings didnt actually wear horns lol
17:26.01CatfaceNative American, Mexican, German, English, Jewish, and something else.
17:26.09WormyThey did during ceremonies
17:26.15Wormyjust not in battle
17:26.37Wormythey did not wear helmets like sissies
17:26.49Technobliteratorhaha lol
17:26.55CatfaceAre you calling Spartans sissies?
17:27.16WormyCompared to the Vikings
17:27.35WormyThere is one viking griyp still in existence, the Wolf Clan
17:27.44WormyNo Spartans left
17:28.50WormyAnd they worshipped the Thunder God!  THOR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOuTRf886kM
17:29.07WormyHAIL Thor
17:29.24WormyThe light thou beholdest stream through the heavens
17:29.37WormyIn flashes of crimson is but my red beard
17:29.46WormyBlown by the night wind afrighting the nations
17:29.56WormyHere amid the icebergs rule I the nations
17:30.06WormyReign I forever
17:30.34WormyI am the thunderer - hammergod
17:30.47WormyHere in my north land mine eyes are the lightning
17:30.55WormyGiants and thurses am I a fighting
17:31.02Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Irskaad/KomorianQuiz Wormy, catface, Um2k9, mind doing my quiz, please?
17:31.03WormyThe wheels of my chariot roll in the thunder
17:31.11WormyMighty Mjollnir strikes enemies assunder
17:31.19WormyStill is Thor's day
17:31.38WormyWith my gauntlets power I wield
17:31.45WormyMy belt braced might is my shield
17:31.49Technobliteratorwormy you wish
17:31.51Technobliterator;)
17:31.54WormyMight is right, strenght holds sway
17:32.01WormyOver the whole earth still is Thor's day
17:32.11WormyReign I forever
17:32.18ImperiosВЫЙДЕТ ПЕРУН И ВСЕХ ПОРВЕТ.
17:32.23Imperios<PROTECTED>
17:32.37CatfaceThe Mongols could beat the Vikings
17:33.04WormyThor would strike down Kamik Shi
17:33.11WormyBut they didn't
17:33.20WormyNor could the Romans
17:33.36Technobliteratorthor cant kill kamik shi
17:33.41Technobliteratorvolzara would stop thor
17:33.46WormyThe Normans did but they were French Vikings
17:33.55WormyThor is a god
17:34.02Technobliteratorso is volzara
17:34.11Technobliteratorlol?
17:34.15WormyBut Thor is a proper god, supernatural one
17:36.13CatfaceBut the Vikings never controlled a large empire. They was too thugish.
17:36.29WormyWhat about the storming Normans?
17:37.24WormyThey weren't defeated
17:37.30CatfaceI really don't know
17:38.22WormyModern world in Euriope descends from the Normans
17:38.53Catfacehttp://www.spike.com/full-episodes/mn00yf/deadliest-warrior-viking-vs-samurai-season-1-ep-102
17:41.35CatfaceI don't think Vikings would do so well one on one.
17:41.55WormyThey would in habd to hand
17:42.03WormySamurai cheated with his steel sword
17:42.21CatfaceThere is no cheating in war.
17:42.26WormyVikings can enter a beserker mentality
17:42.46WormyIf he did, then he is undefeatable
17:43.24CatfaceNothing is undefeatable
17:43.46WormyAnd they were still tough, surviving ice-age temperatures and crossing oceans to plunder
17:43.53Wormyand smash assunder
17:44.04CatfaceTrue
17:45.33WormyThey even have a day named after them!
17:45.38WormyThursday
17:46.14GhelaeAll of the days of the week are named after Norse deities, and the sun and moon. Besides Saturday.
17:46.48GhelaeOkay, that's four Norse deities that have days named after them.
17:46.51Wormy"Rein I FOREVER" - THOR
17:49.47WormyLets move on from THOR
17:50.11GhelaeOkay...
17:50.38WormyHas anyone else read Omega Greater Than 1?  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Legacy/Destinies_in_time#Omega_greater_than_1
17:50.48WormyI know Jo has
17:50.49Um2k9moves on from Thor, despite the fact he wasn't involved in the conversation
17:50.54GhelaeI have.
17:51.02WormyWhat did you think to it?
17:51.10Um2k9I have, I liked it!
17:51.27WormyMichio Kaku's book explained how the 6 dimensions might open during a big Crunch
17:51.56Um2k9Surviving Ultimate Collapse shares its acronym with the former Socialist Union of Cyrannus
17:52.11WormyLol
17:52.14GhelaeI thought I recognised the acronym...
17:52.31WormyI hide stuff like that everywhere, well done
17:52.46Um2k9It collapsed and joined the URC
17:53.07Um2k9In other words, I was too lazy to explore a cold war.
17:54.43GhelaeWell, it's basically what happened in real life, too. "Ahh! Communists! Ahh! They've got nukes! Oh, they've collapsed."
17:54.48GhelaeOkay, maybe not.
17:55.36Wormy@Um: Have you seen Donnie Darko?  Its a  surrealist psychological thriller and sci-fi involving this teenager (very weird storyline)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko
17:55.47WormyWEatched it lasrt night, it was great
17:56.08Um2k9No, I haven't
17:56.13WormyTrailer if you haven't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wqVHjK2bQs
17:57.01Um2k9I don't really like thrillers
17:57.50*** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (55d3461d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.70.29)
17:57.57Wormy_Its not like a normal thriller
17:58.09Wormy_Its physcological so it makes omne think, very surrwal to
17:58.24CatfaceI'm going to play Shogun 2 now
17:58.27Catfacebye
17:58.28Wormy_But it involves time travel, and resetting time
17:59.14Um2k9Cool, I am going to play Empire at War now
17:59.56Wormy_Either, he he doesn't die and watches his world collapse, or he dies and his friends live
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18:32.29WormyDonnie Darko with Frank http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXbBlGBoUms&feature=related
18:34.13WormyDonnie Darko - I Can See Him Right Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfwWMsOp5EU&feature=related
18:34.21Wormyfreaky weird scenes
18:34.35WormyHis world is crazy like mine
18:35.09Wormyuh oh, survellienvce people!
18:36.22Ghelaethinks Wormy is too paranoid
18:36.58Someone_elseMe, never!  But the voices warn me when themen in white are coming
18:40.01Ghelaesummons the black helicopters to buzz Wormy's house
18:40.20Someone_elseeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:40.57MrXI will keep morphing my face mwah hah
18:41.46GhelaeThe Illuminati still know where you are.
18:42.01ImperiosSo do Zionist Occupation Goverment.
18:42.41GhelaeOh, they're just a myth.
18:44.28MrXAnd the Lizard people, David Icke is on to them
18:45.01MrXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians
18:45.37MrXThey want to destroy humanity
18:45.47GhelaeAhem. Crypterrestrials, remember? The lizard appearance is just a disguise.
18:46.14MrXIndeed
18:46.40ImperiosHm...
18:46.40ImperiosGhe
18:46.41MrXbut no, they are ultraterrestials
18:46.52ImperiosWhat goverment system your elves were?
18:47.00ImperiosAnd Vrore-kaa!
18:47.15GhelaeOh, that's just what they want you to think. If you think they come from another universe, then you'll think that there's no defence against them. It's to make you lose hope.
18:47.29IrskaadVrorekaa are a monarchy.
18:47.57GhelaeImperios: The original Elvish civilisation was probably some sort of monarchy, if they're the Elves you were asking about.
18:48.26ImperiosKlaxxa are kinda... democracy, even close to socialism.
18:49.13MrXOur human cousins seem to be on our side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9xai73_n8
18:49.36MrXIDK what to make of those Greys
18:49.57MrXThe Pleidians
18:50.25GhelaeThey're all on the same side. The use of different kind of animalian humanoids is to make it easy for humans to believe that there are different species with different agendas.
18:50.44GhelaeHumans are used to appear benevolent, Greys as neutral, Reptoids are usually malevolent, for example.
18:51.07GhelaeGreys, as I assume you know, vary from being almost human to being cetacean humanoids.
18:51.34GhelaeActually, there could be seperate factions within interstellar civilisation, but I'm not convinced that they're necessarily as real as some people claim.
18:51.35MrXAnd what of the Andromdeanb energy beings?  And the scary Flatwoods Monster?
18:52.17ImperiosSaurians!
18:52.42MrXThey are Reptoids
18:52.49Ghelae"Energy beings" are "created" distinctly from the normal animalian humanoids. It's more spiritual, than psychically manipulative.
18:52.50MrXThe bat-like Alpha Draconians
18:53.18GhelaeDracos are dragon humanoids. The animals that animalian humanoids resemble don't have to be real.
18:53.56GhelaeOn Energy Beings, there have been cases in which normal humanoid entities turn into glowing beings of light, so presumably they're not really a seperate species.
18:53.56MrXPerhaps the Dracos taught us language
18:54.15MrXLike Transapients
18:54.17GhelaeOn Flatwoods, it was probably either an owl or a "Synthetic" robot-type thing.
18:54.43TechnobliteratorMrX: mind going on private chat?
18:54.58Technobliteratorperhaps go to #TechnoTalk cos you keep changing nick lol
18:55.22MrXDo you think they are related toghosts and fairies?
18:57.02GhelaeFairies? Possibly. Ghosts? Probably not.
18:58.47GhelaeConsidering that folkloric fairies were derived from more human-like mythological creatures such as Elves.
18:59.42MrXI was thinking about spirits in general, like Kelpies and Black Dogs.  Perhaps they are thought forms created by the aliens
19:01.05GhelaeWhy by aliens?
19:01.38Technobliteratoranyone read this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tyranite_Swarm
19:01.56Technobliteratori'm stuck with abilities and biology but besides that my editing is going well
19:02.45GhelaeBesides - granted, I haven't done enough research on the topic - couldn't kelpies and black dogs be the Elvish equivalent of Human horses and dogs?
19:03.15ImperiosHm..
19:03.16ImperiosAlso
19:03.23ImperiosDo your elves have any mounts?
19:04.09GhelaeNo. They could do, but I haven't thought about it before.
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19:04.18GhelaeHi!
19:04.23Technobliteratorhey
19:04.29IrskaadXho!
19:04.30XhoHello
19:04.41GhelaeThe Archipelago Elves don't, but nothing large enough to support an Elvish body could probably survive on the small islands of the Archipelago.
19:04.56GhelaeActually, there's one Epic, but that's obviously special.
19:06.02IrskaadXho, come on MSN!
19:06.44MrXWe are discussing real aliens
19:06.59MrXlike Greys and Reptile folk
19:07.32XhoInteresting
19:08.46GhelaeThey're probably not "actually" real. If you look at the whole scenario, nearly all reported entities fall into three categories.
19:09.04GhelaeOne is the "Synthetics", robot-like creatures that seem to be artificial.
19:10.07GhelaeThen there are "Energy Beings", which appear to be another form taken by the main category (which will be the next one I mention)... think of it as a bit like Ascension. :P
19:10.19MrXOr Transapience
19:10.51MrXRobots are probs artificial Von Nuemann probes
19:11.01GhelaeFinally, there are animalian humanoids (counting humans as animals). "Reptoids" are dinosaurs, "Winged Dracos" are dragons, "Greys" are often cetaceans, then there are amphibians, birds, lions, etc, etc.
19:11.37GhelaeAlthough occasionally insectoids seem to actually look like oversized insects, most of them appear to be humanoids with insect-like features too.
19:12.11MrXPerhaps they are very alien really, like you said, disguise themselves with Terran features to not seem too imposing oir to bridge the Comm gap
19:12.21GhelaeSo, it seems that, in reality, there's only one group of entities, and they're disguising themselves as different species (and possibly building robots).
19:12.36GhelaeYes, they could also be actual extraterrestrials.
19:13.02MrXI think there could be up to 10,000 civs in anyone time in the Milky Way, but they are all Truly Alien and few are interested in us
19:13.39GhelaeWell... is that based on the Drake Equation?
19:13.40MrXperhaps none, they don't talk to each other much because they don't need to or recornise each other as living
19:13.44MrXyeah
19:13.56XhoHow valid IS Drake's Equation?
19:14.01GhelaeNot very.
19:14.05MrXwe don;t really know
19:14.12GhelaeMost of the values are just guesses.
19:14.18XhoWhilst I believe there is life other than that of Earth
19:14.23MrXIt only works for human-like civs
19:14.44XhoSome guess as to 'how much' or 'when they will contact us' is hardly a guess
19:14.44GhelaeTalking of which, here's my version: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Drake_Equation
19:14.51MrXBut Stephen Hawking mwntioned that life could be so alien there would be life living outside the goldilocks zone
19:15.12MrXI don't think life is that uncommon really
19:15.24MrXThe universes physical laws are consistent
19:15.26GhelaeIt depends on how you mean by "alien".
19:15.37MrXand throughout, whats forms somwhere could form elsewhere
19:15.53GhelaeEven using water as a solvent, life could survive on Europa, and that's thought of as being outside the "habitable zone".
19:16.14MrXBasically I think there is no human-like aliens
19:16.20XhoEuropa?
19:16.28XhoWhich moon is that of?
19:16.32MrXA moon of Jupiter
19:16.38MrXIt could hold life
19:17.26MrXWhat happens, is that tiodal forces between other moons and Jupter squashes its ice layer, creating heat like hydrothermal vent communities
19:17.37GhelaeAnd Titan is one world that could have more alien life, using methane in place of water.
19:17.44MrXthe moon is squashed basically, this generates heat
19:18.29GhelaeStill, there are limits within a system to the likely extent of life. Places much closer than Earth or much farther away than Saturn (in a sun-like system) would probably be lifeless, I think.
19:18.43GhelaeIgnoring some more "exotic" forms of life, of course.
19:19.03MrXTo me, for something to be living it must carry information (don't care what) to the next generation and process it, this is reproduction.  It must carry the information though and be able to mix it
19:19.33MrXOther standards could vary wildly
19:19.48MrXits up to us, to call alien life living however
19:24.11MrX@Ghelae: I'm sure you saw Into the Universe with Stephen Hawking
19:24.19GhelaeI don't think so, no.
19:24.26MrXthe one on aliens was fascinating
19:25.06MrXWatch at 8:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCOJu9H7Q8&feature=related
19:25.15MrXhe mentions truly alien abundance
19:25.59GhelaeI'll watch it when it's finished loading.
19:26.24MrXcool
19:26.44GhelaeWhat values do you use for the Drake Equation, then, to guess 10,000 civs?
19:27.13MrXThe whole episode is here too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvzdcnRC0s&feature=related
19:27.26XhoOkay everyone, just for reference i'm test-banning Technobliterator for 2 hours - she said it was ok
19:27.26MrXI don';t take it has gods word
19:27.37MrXIt is jusat my sci-fi optimism
19:27.45Technobliteratorso he knows how to ban
19:27.46GhelaeXho: Okay.
19:28.01MrXIts easy
19:28.42Technobliteratorjust giving him a step-by-step
19:28.57GhelaeWormy: I know. Still... how did you guess that number?
19:29.22MrXOh, wel, I did an Open University caourse on planetasry geology last year
19:29.26GhelaeI'm just trying to see another person's perspective on some of the values.
19:29.45MrXPart pf it was the equation (but actually formulating it)
19:29.53GhelaeBRB
19:30.07MrXOriginally, it was 100,000 intelligent species
19:30.45MrXbut its been cut to 10,000 and perhaps 5 million more with non-saoient life.  But thewn, how do you measure intelligence when it evolves for different niches?
19:31.23MrXI've spke before of dog intelligence being just as superior as ours, when it comes to the world of scent
19:34.11GhelaeAs I wrote on my Drake Equation page that I linked to sbout half an hour ago, for the purposes of the equation it's probably best to consider that term as refering to creatures with the mental capacity and physical abilities to develop advanced technology.
19:34.16Ghelaeabout*
19:35.34XhoOk I banned & unblocked Technobliterator
19:35.49Technobliteratoryeahh
19:35.56XhoI am now an instrument of fear BWAHAHAHHAHA
19:36.41MrXYou should probably watch that Into the Universe thing at some point
19:36.48MrXits covers much
19:37.16MrXTruly alien, intelligence, SETI, origins, spacefaring civs, UFO's and more
19:38.18MrXThere is two more episodes too, where Stephen Hawking discusses time travel and cosmology
19:39.41MrXUnlike most documentaries which appeal to n00bs
19:39.49MrXStephen Hawking delves deep
19:40.03Technobliteratorhshs
19:40.05Technobliteratorhaha
19:40.23MrXHe even discusses quantum foam in the time travel episode
19:48.28ImperiosWhat Kardashev level Kalxxa are?
19:48.30Imperios0,6?
19:48.55XhoNot even that
19:48.58Xho0.55
19:49.00XhoProbably
19:49.15XhoShiarchon are 0.5
19:49.21XhoSo they're more advanced
19:49.23IrskaadWhat about Vrorekaa?
19:49.28Xho[Klaxxa]
19:49.34XhoVrorekaa...
19:49.45XhoCan't imagine it being greater than 0.1
19:49.49Ghelaewatches that one-and-a-half minute clip about gas giant life
19:49.51IrskaadLol.
19:49.55IrskaadWhat about Halloway?
19:50.06XhoHalloway?
19:50.10Xho0.74?
19:50.13IrskaadOk.
19:50.35Ghelae0.7 for modern-day Earth refers to the entire planet's consumption of energy.
19:50.49XhoOk
19:50.53XhoLocalised 0.74
19:51.00Ghelae...
19:51.01Ghelae:D
19:51.06Xho....
19:51.14XhoSarcasm abundant
19:51.25GhelaeAnyway, somthing like the Vrorekaa probably wouldn't even register on that scale.
19:51.46IrskaadWhy not?
19:52.00GhelaeThink of how much energy the entire world uses.
19:52.08ImperiosVrorekaa = 0
19:52.17GhelaeHow much do the Vrorekaa use? Probably the most energy-intensive thing is their drums.
19:52.36IrskaadIndeed.
19:52.45IrskaadOr hammers.
19:53.36GhelaeWormy: Yes, gas giant life is another area of life, beyond "normal" terrestrial-type life. I'm not sure exactly what the limits for that would be, though. Could they survive on a Hot Jupiter? Or a planet as far away from its star as Neptune? And then... could they develop a spacefaring civilisation?
19:53.46MrXTV Tropes has a useful comparison of civs in the Kardashev scale http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit
19:54.28MrXI really can't answer as we do not know the limits of evolution
19:55.36GhelaeYeah, there's the problem.
19:57.22MrXDo you think we should use my "Perceptive reality windows" as an explanation for Essence?
19:58.00MrXwell, its not mine, I came to the idea but soon learned very similar ones existed
19:58.36GhelaeHow exactly does that idea work again?
20:01.10MrXBraces for long explanation, brb as I write it
20:01.46GhelaeOkay.
20:03.33MrXWell, humans are born with only five senses (and a few lesser known ones like the need of going to the toilet).  From birth, these senses are all our brains can know about the world.  They are tuned to only a few frequencies as well.
20:04.18MrXThe sensory data is converted into signals which the brain can only interpretate.  It is in complete darkness, and never comes in contact with the matter observed
20:05.11MrXSo there is the physical universe (wihich is much morte than we can sense) and the sensed world, the "reality" that is built on our minds viewpoints
20:06.05MrXIf so, we see the universe through a tiny window, but there is much more, which can be expanded or perhaps shifted, radiucally cfhanging our sense of this reality
20:06.32MrXEssence could simpky be the change ofthe way  reality is sensed
20:06.43MrXlike diffeerent planes of existence
20:06.51MrXThis of course involved consciousness
20:07.01MrXso would remain Essence-like
20:07.29MrXThis means the world is holographic - what we want to see, is what we see
20:08.02MrXI know this from personal experience, I veen practising chi for 11 months and now percieve the world differentlky
20:08.12GhelaeIt's still... hmm. It doesn't really "explain" consciousness, though, unless you're going by it being an illusion. Also, where do different Energies and different powers come from?
20:08.26GhelaeNot "come from".
20:08.32GhelaeFit into this theory.
20:08.32MrXno it doesn't explain consciousness, but explains the diufference fof essences
20:08.42XhoI'll be going on Spore, wish me luck in making a new Kamik
20:09.22MrXSimply all possibilities exost as the universal wavefunction, our bodies exist in a tiny faction of this greater universe
20:09.40MrXSo doifferent changes in the narrow slip we see changes how reality is percieved
20:09.50MrXSo this is where powers could come from
20:10.11MrXThere is a lot more to us and the world than what we see obviously
20:10.21GhelaeUltimately, is this going to lead to something along the lines of "different 'Energies' do not actually exist"?
20:11.33MrXQuantum nature, dark matter/energy.flow and fluid, extra dimensions, weakness of gravity in 3D spacetime, opther portions of the EM sopectrum, light existing outside time, quantum entangled universe, Holographic principle and more
20:12.10GhelaeErm... what about them?
20:12.14MrXAll these things we don't see in day to day life.  They exist, as physics may show, but our senses are limited to the tiny poryions of them
20:12.43GhelaeYes.
20:12.47MrXIts basically the 99% of things that don't appear what they actually are
20:13.04MrXOur brain can only make interpretations.  This is reality
20:13.25GhelaeSo how do different groups of "powers" become classified as different Energies?
20:13.36MrXJust different perceptions
20:13.53MrXAnd most enegies share the same powers
20:13.58MrXbasically
20:14.32MrXSo yes it would merge Essence completely
20:14.33GhelaeBut then why are there just a limited nuber of perceptions that everybody seems to have? And how come different perceptions of what must be the same thing can exist within the same person simultaneously?
20:14.48MrXYes, but no two people experience the same powers
20:15.02MrXno two chi students for example develop the same way
20:15.20MrXHowever, being told they might get these powers might have an affect on their judgements
20:15.57GhelaeWell, it... sort of works.
20:16.15GhelaeAgain, it's the idea that there's only one "Essence", and the different "Energies" are based on people's perceptions of it.
20:16.22MrXAnd no one can say what one person calls red, is the same for everyone, it my be blue to someone else
20:17.13GhelaeStill, it's something that we'd need to get agreement from everybody on to make canon.
20:17.25MrXThere is a movement awau from supernatural fiction lately, it does make it somewhat more of a sci-foi explanation
20:17.48MrXWith Xho considering to make teh Xhoddies digital
20:17.58Xho....
20:18.04MrXyes you did
20:18.05XhoHow many times have I said
20:18.12MrXwe had a 2 hour convo on it
20:18.15XhoIt's one of the theories of their existence
20:18.33XhoIt's a little hard to step down on the idea Kamik isn't a fully blown god
20:18.34MrXI think if we rectonn we should retconn everything so it fits
20:18.48MrXBut he would still be a god to mortals
20:18.50GhelaeI also doubt that Xho would agree on making, for example, all Chaotic Energies just "different perspectives" on Chaos.
20:19.14MrXI don;t see why it weakens Kamik
20:19.27MrXit just makes him less...Sprititual
20:19.33MrXor metaphysical
20:19.57GhelaeIt *could* work. That using any amount of Chaos kills a mortal would be using any amount comparable to that of, say, Kamik'Shi. Much like what happens with Entropic. Mortals would just use infinitismally tiny amounts.
20:20.19GhelaeBut anyway, I'm practically talking to myself now, and I'm probably going to go for a while now anyway.
20:22.48MrXReality as Consciousness...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hdDzXhjIxA
20:22.59MrXIt does somewhat enpower kamik
20:23.42MrXIf mortals can affect nature slightly, but Kamik can be a god over it, then he is a godly consciousness who's reality extends over the full universe
20:24.10MrXThat is, in some way, a "fully blown god"
20:25.57MrX"The matrix of all matter" - Max Planck
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20:31.40CatfaceHi
20:31.48CatfaceWho is MrX?
20:32.04Ghelae_awayHello!
20:32.06Ghelae_awayIt's Wormy.
20:33.25Um2k9Hello!
20:33.25CatfaceXho hates me :(
20:33.28CatfaceHi
20:33.42GhelaeI still don't think Xho's impressed, Wormy. Still, perhaps the idea of considering different Energies to be "perceptions" of the same power could help with the retconning of Essence types, like with Elemental and Mana.
20:33.56CatfaceHe left without saying Hi or Bye!
20:34.49MrXYes
20:34.59CatfaceFiction moves slow these days.
20:35.17CatfaceI remember the SGW had an update almost every day!
20:35.28MrX@Um2k9 what do you make of my theory startng at 21:03?
20:35.37MrXActually, you don't have to see it
20:35.45MrXjust wondering
20:36.15MrXthis is similar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hdDzXhjIxA
20:36.28GhelaeLiquid also once contacted me about the classification of Mystic and Dark Energies, saying that they weren't like his and Richardson's original idea. I suggested merging them with Elemental too, which to me seemed to fit better, but he decided that he prefered the current Light/Chaotic classification instead.
20:37.20MrXi would agree with merging them with elemental
20:37.37MrXWhether people like it or not, retconn  is important
20:37.53Um2k9I think we humans overthink sometimes.
20:38.01MrXLiquid seems very anti-retconn or ceanslate
20:38.21MrXnah, its what makes us human
20:38.28GhelaeHe was fine with making Mana a variety of Elemental.
20:38.30MrXour niche
20:38.31Um2k9But it is always good to question standing believes.
20:38.36Um2k9Indeed
20:39.05Um2k9He even added his opposition to the cleanslate to his signature.
20:39.19GhelaeHe just doesn't like people being what he perceives to be... too disruptive, I guess. It's still more anti-retcon than most of the rest of us, and he's definitely anti-cleanslate.
20:39.52Catfacewhat happens happens
20:40.14MrXThis is a collaborative universe, it needs some bounds
20:40.14Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:VrorekaaFlag.png The Vrorekaa Flag.
20:40.24MrXIn the beginning, ytes, it was a free for all
20:40.31MrXfor now its complex
20:41.23CatfaceThis is Apollo http://i53.tinypic.com/1zmdshw.jpg
20:42.22Um2k9Apolbamacat?
20:42.31CatfaceYep
20:45.01Um2k9I better continue on my template
20:45.20GhelaeWormy: On the Mystic/Dark/Elemental issue, I got the impression that Richardson knew more about the idea of it than Liquid. He'd probably be the best person to talk to about it. Of course, there's then the problem of his chronic inactivity.
20:45.54Um2k9I have matured the ability to create stairs in the building editor
20:47.39CatfaceI need to learn how to do that.
20:48.13Technobliteratorahh the building editor
20:48.22Technobliteratori was getting good at it at one point
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20:49.38GhelaeConnection issues?
20:49.44IrskaadYes.
20:49.55IrskaadMy internet went kaboom for 5 minutes.
20:50.12Catface@Um: Apollo must think Lino is a biggest fool in the universe right now.
20:50.37Um2k9Well, there is always Lezia
20:50.44IrskaadXD´
20:51.38CatfaceHe really thinks he has god powers
20:52.38IrskaadTahars on gods - "He is not real. He is just a primitive explanation for simple things such as gravity. Science is the proper replacement for your outdated beliefs."
20:53.23CatfaceLawl
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20:53.30Technobliteratorthats what irskaad actually feels about religion
20:53.51IrskaadLol
20:53.58Technobliteratorbut it is
20:54.12Technobliteratoryou said it yourself
20:54.14IrskaadPS: My Internet's sucking tonight.
20:54.20GhelaeYeah, we noticed.
20:54.21CatfaceIf you start talking about religion I'm going to my hidy hole
20:54.31Technobliterator:S
20:54.42GhelaeSo... religion, eh? It's pretty religious, isn't it?
20:54.44Ghelae:P
20:54.47Irskaad*Refrains from talking for the next 5 minutes*
20:54.49Technobliteratorikr
20:55.04Technobliteratorwtf all this little thing starts so much
20:55.09Technobliteratorits actually ridiculous :/
20:55.23Technobliteratoroh well im a catholic so yeah
20:55.29Um2k9@Ghelae: Highly religious if you ask me.
20:55.58Um2k9Though science is pretty scientific.
20:56.09Technobliteratorohlol highly religious
20:56.14Um2k9Contrary to popular belief.
20:56.29Technobliteratori know what thats meant to mean
20:56.33GhelaePopular belief? That's quite popular, isn't it?
20:56.48GhelaeA lot of people believe in it, too.
20:56.54Um2k9Yes, I have often thought that myself.
20:57.46Technobliterator...wtf?
20:57.55Catfacewtf? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Irish_Republican_Army
20:58.13Um2k9If only there was an Asgord permaban on the Universal Discussion Board...
20:58.20IrskaadLOL
20:58.47Technobliteratornaw thatd be boring
20:58.57CatfaceI didn't know there where Irish terrorist.
20:59.10Technobliteratorimma post on the discussion board so that the whole thing isnt just asgord
20:59.16Um2k9@Cat: Those people are morons. And that is an understatement.
20:59.40Technobliteratorall terrorists are morons
20:59.47Um2k9@Catface: Its mainly Northern Ireland, many people wish for it to be independent from the UK
21:00.36CatfaceAnd you?
21:01.50Um2k9Originally it was unfair on the UK's part to begin the plantations of course but that was hundreds of years ago. As for the formation of Northern Ireland, people should just realise they should pursue their beliefs peacefully.
21:03.16CatfaceYeah, its not like this is happening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nkYv6cpKiw
21:03.23Um2k9Today, it strengthens the bond between Ireland and the UK, so I don't really care.
21:05.18Um2k9@Cat: No...
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21:08.28MrXThe reality ehh?  I tink its holograohic, want t you want to believe, bemones true
21:12.36MrXDriving in India D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjrEQaG5jPM
21:12.48MrXwoa, traffic craziness
21:13.07MrXThere ios people just walking through it
21:16.02MrX@Catface: That was like Libya
21:16.23MrXKilling their civilians
21:17.18MrXAnd Germany priotr to WWII
21:17.45MrXThe DCP is like that too
21:18.14MrXIf they think a colony is slightly rebellious it will be destroyed
21:18.57CatfaceThat is what an ULE occupied world would be like, only worse.
21:21.31MrXI think thats the real world prett much beneaf the veil
21:21.42MrXIts like that now
21:22.04MrXAnd this centiury will be a tough one
21:27.04MrXIndia : Crazy train full of people on the roof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHelulhKe08&feature=related
21:29.20MrXTrain with record about crowded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bym9Zds93rA&feature=related
21:30.55MrXEven funnier Train goes through Thai market! Unbelieveable! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxeu0dzNUiY&feature=related
21:36.59Catfacewow
21:41.52IrskaadI feel depressed today.
21:42.03IrskaadThis has been a bad week for me.
21:42.34CatfaceCould be worse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjccTh9_09E
21:43.08IrskaadJo's mad at me. =(
21:44.34CatfaceWhy?
21:45.11IrskaadI think I said mean things again.
21:49.27MrX@Irskaad: Its time we needed to talk about religion, and to leave peoples beliefs be
21:49.58IrskaadOk.
21:50.07WormyNot an argument, or anything
21:50.11IrskaadOk.
21:50.25IrskaadGeez I suck at arguing
21:50.31WormyBut its come to my attention that Jo and Xho and you have been in intense discussions of recent
21:51.07IrskaadWhen the subject pops up, it happens.
21:51.35WormySo, no one wants their beliefs to be challemnged.  You don't like it when a fanatical comes along and tries to convert or hurt your athiesm?
21:51.48IrskaadI just wouldn't care.
21:52.35WormyBut you do, I've heard that there has been strong arguments and you getting uepset about it afterwards
21:52.49IrskaadYeah. =(
21:52.53WormyWell, put yourself in Xho's or Jo's shoes
21:53.07IrskaadOk. *Imagines controlling Xhodocto*
21:53.24WormyThey have a right to believe in what they want, and I think the world should be like this.  Unfortunately it isn't
21:53.57WormySome religions, viewpoints etc try to convert or force belief.  But that is what is wrong
21:54.09IrskaadIndeed.
21:54.22WormyPower hungry people can control religion, that is also when it gets bad
21:54.31IrskaadYep.
21:54.45WormyHowever, religion in itseld isn't outdated
21:54.51IrskaadHow isn't it?
21:54.53WormyIt is not the purpose of religion
21:54.57Catfacehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXsvy2tBJlU
21:55.12WormyMost religious people aren't out to hurt you
21:55.24IrskaadHeh, we are a calm country.
21:56.04WormyBut its not always religion is it?  Anything can be corrupted, including science
21:56.16IrskaadScience? Corrupted?
21:56.21WormyIn fact science can be terribly corrupted by politians
21:56.34IrskaadDo you mean Global Warming?
21:56.39CatfaceIt ain't shits and giggles out there.
21:56.46WormyNot just that
21:57.21WormyMy point being is that religion isn't to blame, its some of its people, the same kind of people can corrupt just about everything else
21:57.30IrskaadOk.
21:57.49WormyThink of how we irradiated our planet with nuclear testing
21:58.15Wormycaused birth defects trying to manipulate the human genome
21:58.23IrskaadWoah.
21:58.29WormyWWII
21:58.38IrskaadD=
21:58.41WormyHitlers plan was to create a race of superhumans
21:58.55Wormythe "Arean race"
21:59.03CatfaceYou and Irsk have fun.
21:59.05Irskaad*Facepalm* We are all human
21:59.17Wormyindeed, including religious people
21:59.34Wormyand all people are capable of terrible things
21:59.45IrskaadOk.
21:59.55WormySo can you what I'm getting at?
22:00.05IrskaadYes, some people are just plain bad.
22:00.57Wormybut not everyone will do those things.  The average Christian family or any other religion  doesn't go out corrupting the wor;d
22:01.11IrskaadLol True
22:02.02WormyNow moving on a bit, like how you or I hold our athiest standards high, to force our athiesm on users like Xho or Jo is just as bad, as if they did the same to you or I
22:02.16WormyBut they don't
22:02.27WormySo nor should we
22:02.43IrskaadI know, but... I just find it... too silly.
22:02.48WormyIts best to avoid faith, real politics completely when we are in griups
22:03.03IrskaadI'll try.
22:03.12WormyYou might find it silly but they don't, so don't hurt their perceptiuon of the world
22:03.26WormyUltimatly, no view pint is superior to the other
22:03.47IrskaadI watch too much atheist videos.
22:04.01WormyYes, religion is on a slow decline, but thats because most religios people are not very religious
22:04.10WormyIts not that you do that
22:04.17WormyI watch them too
22:04.22IrskaadCool
22:04.29WormyBut its when you bring them up
22:04.50WormyIf Xho and Jo believe in god, leave their beliefs be
22:05.00IrskaadOk
22:05.23WormyAfterall, its the superior attitude of "one belief over the other" that causes problems
22:06.40WormyAllso, remember, AmazingAthiest might bring up some pro-athiest points, but his word is not superior, I wouldn't take it as the ruleset
22:07.24WormyWhat I do, is explore all these viewpoints, then make up my own interpretations
22:07.44Wormythat I think everyone should do
22:07.59Um2k9AwayIndeed
22:08.01IrskaadMeh, I watch videos from many people.
22:08.22WormyClose mindedness is as bad as raw belief.  To be in the middle, to be open minded to the way forward
22:08.33WormyThats still a narrow band
22:08.42WormyRead books, talk to real people
22:08.50IrskaadI don't hjave friends.
22:08.52Irskaadhave*
22:08.53Wormy, look into other beliefs, other viewpints
22:09.01WormyThen you must make them
22:09.24WormyOtherwise you are in a defeatitst attitude and you won't get anywhere in life
22:09.35IrskaadI can't. I get bullied in school every day, and the only friends I make I can only see in school.
22:10.03WormyEveryone gets bullied, some people are more sensituve than others
22:10.13IrskaadI am very sensitive.
22:10.26WormyBut why exactly are you against religion?  Do the religious bully you?
22:10.51IrskaadNo. I just find the concept of "God" to be silly. Very silly.
22:11.04WormyThats fine, if it works for athiests
22:11.27WormyBut the point I'm getting at is that its not superior to someone elses
22:11.31IrskaadI never argue religion in real life.
22:12.27WormyYour never gonna convince Xho or Jo otherwise, and you'll end up in these argumets
22:12.42IrskaadOk.
22:12.50WormyAnd it is upsetting them as much as these upse you
22:13.07IrskaadI get upset when people get mad at me.
22:13.15IrskaadAnd I get depressed often.
22:13.31WormyBut do you ever wonder why Xho and Jo are getting mad at you?
22:14.14IrskaadBecause I argue a lot?
22:14.33WormyBecause you keep mentioning their beliefs and dissing it
22:14.52IrskaadIt's a thing I need to stop doing.
22:15.13WormyIt seems they are not willing to question their beliefs, they are happy with them, its the way the world makes sense to them
22:15.15IrskaadIt all started with the Easter thing. I never thought that saying the reason why I don't like easter would get Xho angry.
22:15.57IrskaadAnd I read the archives. You were really angry at me.
22:15.57WormyAhh, but its really best to avoid political or religious discussions entirely.  They have ended badly before, and most users avoid it
22:16.09WormyI'm not really angry
22:16.38Wormybut I don't agree with these discussions
22:16.57Wormythey disurupt more fun IRC ones
22:17.52IrskaadI got to stop.
22:18.02WormyThe idea of believing in god is not silly to everyone
22:18.06IrskaadIt will take time and it may happen again.
22:18.23Wormyits simple, don;t bring them up, no one else does
22:18.39IrskaadI never truly believed in God, even in my christian days. So I don't know what it's like.
22:19.42WormyNor have I believed in a religion, but for most people their lives aren't much different
22:19.55Wormywell, when I was 6 I believed in god
22:20.22WormyAs long as their is happiness
22:20.48WormyNo one can really say or dictate how the world is there and why.  Humans live on a tiny speck
22:20.54IrskaadAlso, I have more reasons why I don't like religion. When I was walking around, a woman bothered me and started preaching religion to me. I walked again angrily.
22:21.07IrskaadThat was a few weeks ago.
22:21.16Irskaadaway*
22:21.19WormyBut to retaliate is to be just as bad as them
22:21.38WormyAnd its not to say everyone is like that
22:22.13WormyYes, I met a christian a few weeks ago who told me physics and chi was voodoo I should avoid.  I just laughed it off and tonge twisted him
22:22.36WormyHe didn't know what to say after a blast of technobabble
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22:23.12IrskaadSorry.
22:23.23WormyI don't like fundamentalism
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22:23.48WormyIts the fundamentalists we want to look out for
22:23.49CatfaceHave a nice chit chat you two?
22:23.55CatfaceOh not over
22:23.57Wormyyes, quite civil
22:25.00WormyThe woman who caused you problems was a fundamentalist but this doesn't signify every religious person
22:25.27WormyIn my family I have catholics, athiests, pagans and jewish
22:25.45Wormythey all get along fine
22:26.04IrskaadMy family is all christian. I am the odd one out. My mom laughed when I put "no religion" in a survey.
22:26.36WormyIn fact in April  I will be attending Pesach, or passover at my Uncle's, a jewish celebration
22:26.43IrskaadOk.
22:26.54WormyI have done so for much of my life
22:27.50WormyI do not neccesarly believe in god but I see the importance of Pesach, and how important it is too them.  So I absorb their culture for a day
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22:28.05CatfaceAre you done yet?
22:28.20WormyI suppose me and Irsk have underlined enough
22:28.48CatfaceKeep talking all you want. Just tell me when your done here #peasestoptalkingaboutreligion
22:28.52*** part/#sporewiki Catface (459a6eef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.154.110.239)
22:28.57WormySee that Catface generally avoids these, because he knows how thy can end.  So should you.  That I think can round the discussion up.
22:29.27IrskaadOk.
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22:31.50CatfaceOkay
22:31.56CatfaceNow brb supper
22:44.27Irskaadhttp://images.wikia.com/spore/images/9/93/VrorekaaFlag.png Like my Vrorekaa Flag?
22:45.01CatfaceIts very flagish!
22:45.08Irskaad=P
22:45.32IrskaadIt's for the Vrorekaa, a Tribal Stage Empire, so it has a diffrent shape.
22:45.49Wormyyes its cool
22:45.57CatfaceSo Wormy do you have any idea for the future plot of COT or are we still winging it?
22:46.19WormyAre we going to intruduce the XC beings in it?
22:46.28WormyI thought perhaps we could
22:46.52CatfaceYes, in about mid story is where I planned on them coming in.
22:47.19Wormycool
22:47.19CatfaceOr they could come in more early.
22:48.18Wormyi don't wanna rush your plans though
22:49.22WormyThe DCP sghould probably investigate the substance
22:49.23CatfaceI know, lets just wait and see when the best time to bring the XC into the fiction.
22:49.27CatfaceYeah
22:49.41WormySo, what are its properties agan, Tiberium?
22:50.02IrskaadTiberium = Command and Conquer
22:50.15Wormyits a similar substance in ur fic
22:50.15IrskaadAlso an ingredient in a recipe by Lady Gaga.
22:50.38Wormywell, she is more toxic than I thought
22:50.45IrskaadXD
22:51.09CatfaceWell, pretty much
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22:54.32OluapPlayer~poke Irskaad
22:54.33infobotACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Irskaad, pokes Irskaad repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
22:54.46IrskaadOluap!
22:54.49Irskaad=D
22:54.52CatfaceHi OP!
22:54.59IrskaadWhere were you?
22:55.13OluapPlayerUncle's house
22:55.28IrskaadOh, ok.
22:55.37IrskaadYou could have told us.
22:55.41CatfaceI'm sorry about the shooting in Rio de Janeiro.
22:56.02CatfaceWas you in or around there?
22:56.10OluapPlayerNope
22:56.17CatfaceGood
22:56.18OluapPlayerRio is pretty far from where I live
22:56.29IrskaadWoah.
22:57.16Catface13 or so people where killed in that shooting.
22:57.31CatfaceSo I hear anyways
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22:58.33The_RandomnessWait, why did I come on here?
22:58.38The_Randomness~vanish
22:58.38infobotACTION poofs
22:58.41Um2k9You are rando?
22:58.45Um2k9*random
22:59.24CatfaceOn the morning of April 7, 2011, at least 13 people were killed after an armed man entered Municipal School Tasso da Silveira (Escola Municipal Tasso da Silveira), an elementary school in Realengo on the western fringe of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. It is the first time an incident of this kind — a non-gang school shooting with a sizable number of casualties — has been reported in the country.
22:59.32Catfaceoops
22:59.34Catfacewrong chat
23:12.28WormyRandom keeps doing thsat, he has amnesia
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23:14.46SporesauceDo ho ho
23:14.49SporesauceAnyone here?
23:14.53IrskaadSAUCE!
23:14.54Irskaad=D
23:14.56OluapPlayerhi
23:14.56CatfaceSpocesacue!
23:15.02SporesauceHeya
23:15.02IrskaadHello!
23:15.11IrskaadHow's your POPULARity? =D
23:15.20Sporesauce:|
23:15.21CatfaceSauce yur back buddeh!
23:15.21SporesauceWat
23:15.29SporesauceYeah I guess
23:16.16SporesauceSo what has been happening in our little corner of the internet?
23:16.16Wormyhello
23:16.16IrskaadLezia is still annoying and the FRA is still stupid.
23:16.22Wormywelcome to irc, not seen you here before
23:16.30Sporesauce....
23:16.36SporesauceUmmm
23:16.40Wormyso you have?
23:16.53SporesauceWell
23:16.53SporesauceToby I have been here like 20+ times
23:17.00IrskaadSporesauce, did you watch Melodifestivalen?
23:17.01SporesauceThat was when I was active
23:17.08SporesauceNo Irsk
23:17.08CatfaceWas you her during the 99c battle?
23:17.13IrskaadOh, ok.
23:17.22Sporesauce99c battle?
23:17.23Catface*here
23:17.24SporesauceIm confus
23:17.28Wormy99cmoney
23:17.32SporesauceOh
23:17.38Wormytat idiot our little wiki had a war with
23:17.45SporesauceYa ya I know
23:17.50WormyI scared him off in the end
23:18.08CatfaceBut he said he would return
23:18.14Catface~seen rawrsauce
23:18.22infobotrawrsauce <4578e0f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.120.224.249> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 61d 20h 50m 23s ago, saying: 'hi'.
23:18.22SporesauceAnd Xho strutted around with pride in killing a noob.
23:18.22WormyTold him I would get him carted off to joilfor cyberstalking, and he believed it, what a fool
23:18.51CatfaceBut I found him out!
23:18.59Wormyindeed
23:19.00SporesauceSo Worm, Xho said on my talk page I was banned?
23:19.05Sporesaucelolwut
23:19.09Wormywut
23:19.27Sporesaucehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Sporesauce_95
23:19.28Catfacehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Sporesauce_95#So...
23:19.38Sporesauce^Hivemind
23:19.43CatfaceI told him not to do it, man
23:19.47Catfacelol
23:20.05IrskaadPoor sauce
23:20.06WormyI see he is casting his powers I gave him
23:20.16Sporesauce:/ He is a mod now?
23:20.24Irskaad*Sings* I will be popular, I will be popular, I'm gonna get there, popular
23:20.27Wormyyeah
23:21.02SporesauceWhat about our little Techy?
23:21.11SporesauceIs she a mod too?
23:21.21WormyNo, she isn't
23:21.26SporesauceAw
23:21.27Sporesauceto bad
23:21.32WormyI mean she did lerave for 3 months
23:21.38SporesauceKinda miss her...
23:21.47Wormyshe is back now though
23:21.50IrskaadI've been a bad boy lately.
23:21.51Wormyu just missed her
23:22.20SporesauceSo hows Station Hayclon coming around?
23:22.35SporesauceOr however it was spelled...
23:22.39WormyIt died at the 4th episode
23:22.53SporesauceFail
23:22.56SporesauceWhat happened
23:22.56WormyIt could be revived though
23:23.05WormyTobiaswolf/99c happened
23:23.10SporesauceOh
23:23.21CatfaceThen R17
23:23.26CatfaceHe hates emotes
23:23.46SporesauceWhadya mean
23:23.47Wormyyes he left after a massive morning-long rage because IRC users were using emoticons
23:23.51SporesauceEmotes like in smileys?
23:23.57Wormyyeah
23:24.14Sporesaucee.g :), :(, >:D
23:24.20CatfaceYes
23:24.23SporesauceKay
23:24.25Wormyyes, they make him go crazy
23:24.36SporesauceAw poor kid
23:24.37Wormy>:)
23:24.38OluapPlayerhemad
23:24.46Um2k9Hello Sporesauce!
23:24.53SporesauceHeya
23:25.21IrskaadHow do you say "Hello" In svenska?
23:25.25Um2k9I haven't seen you in a while
23:25.36SporesauceIrsk, you say "Hej"
23:25.43IrskaadOk. Hej, sauce!
23:25.44SporesauceAnd yeah
23:25.52SporesauceI know Um
23:26.19WormyDo you still plan fpr the Galblinus Avid to be killed off by an AI?
23:26.22IrskaadSauce, I believe Sweden will win Eurovision 2011.
23:26.24Um2k9So, how have you been?
23:26.30SporesaucePretty good
23:26.32WormyGablinus Avis
23:26.49SporesauceAnd Toby, check the Gablinus-Avis page
23:26.57Wormyk
23:26.58SporesauceIve already put † on their scientific namw
23:27.00Sporesaucename
23:27.20SporesauceThey are an extinct species now
23:27.42IrskaadSweden = Winners of 2011
23:27.58CatfaceUS = Can never win :(
23:28.16IrskaadWe got the worst song this year LOL
23:28.47SporesauceOf course the US can never win, they just jump to the finals all the time, just because they help with sponsoring the event and dont need to compete for places
23:29.00SporesaucePeople get to hear their songs in the last minute
23:29.08IrskaadLOL Like the UK, Germany, Italy, France and Spain!
23:29.11WormyUS aren't in Eurovision
23:29.17SporesauceLol fail
23:29.19WormyUK is crap
23:29.38IrskaadSweden will win, I'm sure of it. Their song is so modern.
23:29.46WormyUK is always last
23:29.49SporesauceIts kinda sadface that Turkey came 2nd last/two year(s) ago (dont remember)
23:30.51SporesauceOn another topic, have you guys downloaded any creatures like I said you could do?
23:30.52Irskaad2007 - 4th, 2008 - 7th, 2009 - 4th, 2010 - 2nd
23:31.06IrskaadTurkey's results over the last 4 years
23:31.17SporesauceThanks Irsk
23:31.41Wormynot me, I have been a lazy sod on the wki lately
23:31.53Sporesauce:O
23:31.56OluapPlayerI can confirm that
23:31.59SporesauceThe big Worm-man?
23:32.00SporesauceLazy?
23:32.01OluapPlayerhurhur :v
23:32.02SporesauceImpossibru
23:32.16Sporesauce8U
23:32.30WormyI go on IRC and it distracts me from editing
23:32.31Um2k9Now that the wiki is overrun with admins, Wormy can relax!
23:32.37Wormyyes
23:32.54SporesauceHow did you make the bot dance? I dun remember :3
23:33.02Irskaad~dance
23:33.02infobot<(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)>
23:33.13Sporesauce~dance
23:33.13infobot<(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)>
23:33.18Sporesauce:P
23:34.08Um2k9Wormy, what link to you use for IRC?
23:34.13Um2k9*do
23:34.22WormyCreatureboy's
23:34.35Wormyon his page
23:34.41Um2k9Cool
23:34.43Wormyits the only one I can use
23:34.46CatfaceI have it saved
23:34.53WormyI tried XChat but it stopped working
23:34.58Um2k9Same with me
23:35.04CatfaceXChat?
23:35.13WormyX for X-rated
23:35.20Wormynah j/k
23:35.31OluapPlayerl
23:35.31OluapPlayerol
23:35.32SporesauceGuys in my last visit, I saw a new guy, his name was mastermachine or something (had a bookworm in his avatar). How is he like?
23:35.37WormyIts an IRC client
23:35.46OluapPlayerHe is a dick to me
23:35.53Sporesaucelolwut
23:36.05IrskaadHe is nice to me-
23:36.07Irskaad.
23:36.11WormyI don;t like him that much
23:36.20Um2k9Neither do I
23:36.20CatfaceHe is a penishole
23:36.24Sporesaucepffffa
23:36.27Sporesaucess
23:36.27Wormyhe sterals my fic, I confronted him and he argued back that he could
23:36.35Sporesauce._.
23:36.45SporesauceOh he will surely be bloxd?
23:36.48IrskaadMaybe he learned from his mistakes.
23:36.56Wormyso I meanually removed all references
23:37.02Wormy*manually
23:37.07Catfacehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterol
23:37.14Wormyhe's a bit annoting
23:37.16Wormy*y
23:37.24Um2k9He pretends to be a very nice person but from what I have read, he is argumentative and annoying.
23:37.29IrskaadI have to go at 00:50.
23:37.37WormyHe takes sides
23:37.39SporesauceOkay
23:37.40CatfaceHe wanted to merge all the fictions into the Milky Way
23:37.40IrskaadSporesauce, will you stay on the wiki this time?
23:37.47SporesauceNo sorry
23:37.53Irskaad=_(
23:37.55CatfaceOn IRC?
23:37.55SporesauceMinecraft is my new thing
23:37.58SporesauceMaybe
23:38.05CatfaceMy chat?
23:38.13SporesaucePossibly
23:38.25SporesauceI havent visited that page for liek...
23:38.30Sporesauce5+ months :P
23:38.40Catfacelol
23:38.54Irskaadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEVeN4K-SY Music from sweden!
23:39.18SporesauceAaaahh not that thing
23:39.23SporesauceWhat are you doing Irsk
23:39.26Irskaad=P
23:39.33SporesauceIts 1 AM in Sweden
23:40.03IrskaadIsn't it +2 timezone in Sweden? So it should be 02:39.
23:40.08SporesauceYour lucky I didnt have my sound tuned up or else my mom would have came and tell me to sleep
23:40.20IrskaadSorry.
23:40.20SporesauceNo its 01.40 exactly
23:41.13SporesauceIn 2008-2010 my life was all about spore
23:41.16Wormy00:41 for me
23:41.23SporesauceNow its minecraft and pokemon
23:41.25Um2k9I gave Mush a link to IRC, hopefully he will come along soon
23:41.29OluapPlayer20:41 here
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23:41.46SporesauceTypical brazilian time
23:41.55Sporesauceeh Paulo?
23:42.10Sporesauce...
23:42.19SporesauceI killed the IRC *crys in a corner*
23:42.27CatfaceHow dare you
23:42.28IrskaadOh, there there now...
23:42.31WormyI wanna plat Infinity the Quest for Earth when it comes out
23:42.43OluapPlayerWhat?
23:42.58CatfaceI want Minecraft but I got Shogun 2
23:43.07SporesauceWe are lucky there isnt 1000 people here
23:43.13Irskaad=P
23:43.22SporesauceJust look at the chat on Qubetubers http://www.qubetubers.com/
23:43.28Wormy@Um: There has been some news on Infinity http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=26
23:43.58WormyThe devs are working hard on it now
23:43.59Um2k9Thank Apollo
23:44.07SporesauceWow I almost forgot about that game
23:44.24SporesauceSo when are they releasing it?
23:44.45Wormyshots from the game http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=81&catid=4&PageNo=3&nxShowImage=planet_429.jpg
23:44.50WormyWe don't know still
23:45.20Wormyit could take 1 to 3 years, some fear it will never come out due t its lack of devs
23:46.05Sporesaucehmm
23:46.17SporesauceBut so far its all awesomesauce and fantastic graphics
23:48.06Wormyindeed, I'm optimistick that it will cme out.  According to recent news the Devs are working hard in the technical progress
23:48.51SporesauceAny patches for spore yet?
23:49.02WormyAfraid not
23:49.08Sporesauceaww
23:49.11Wormyno bot psrts despite hopes
23:49.15OluapPlayerPatches? For Spore? Madness!
23:49.22Sporesaucefufufu
23:49.51SporesauceCompared to Minecraft, which updates about once every week, Spore is a snail stuck in glue
23:50.21WormyI think Maxis have abandoined it now really
23:50.34Wormyselling parts off to make spin offs by other companies
23:50.45OluapPlayerCompared to Team Fortress 2, which has 201 updates now
23:51.22OluapPlayerAnd it's a 3 year old game, still full of life
23:51.43Sporesaucebtw I got Minecraft just today, I won a Beta code from QubeTubers :D
23:52.05CatfaceIf it was not spore sporewiki I would not be playing spore anymore.
23:52.37WormyCus of the fic universe Spoprte has stayed alive in me
23:52.56SporesauceI didnt manage to keep it alive for me though
23:53.07SporesauceI uninstalled minecraft on my computer
23:53.12Sporesaucesweeped away everything
23:53.20Sporesauceall 13 000 creations I had downloaded
23:53.26WormyHeres my fic direction  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Wormulon/Wormulon%27s_Blog_II_%26_Q/A
23:53.34Sporesauceall progress I had made with the gablinus-avis
23:53.41Sporesauceand my brothers planets
23:53.43Sporesauceall deleted
23:53.45WormyWell, when I lost my saves to a vius, I lost 23,000 downloads
23:53.52Sporesaucejust withing the matters of a few minutes
23:53.59SporesauceI have no regrets
23:54.18CatfaceSporesauce how is Minecraft?
23:54.19Wormyits only a game
23:54.29SporesauceMinecraft is pretty nice
23:54.41Wormyyes I might play it some time
23:54.46SporesauceOffers a wider range of creativity in building than Spore
23:54.56SporesauceEverything is made from blocks though
23:55.02SporesauceAs you might know
23:55.05SporesauceOr not
23:55.07WormyIs their aany free trials?  I just want to check it out
23:55.15CatfaceSpore was ruined when they made it cute.
23:55.30SporesauceYes there is a free browser based game you can test out Wormy
23:55.37Wormyrather than play a monthly fee if I lose interest
23:55.38SporesauceJust check out Minecraft.net
23:55.45Wormycool
23:56.13SporesauceLook under minecraft classic
23:56.19SporesauceThats the free version
23:56.40SporesauceYou need to pay to download minecraft beta
23:56.47SporesauceWell I didnt
23:56.56SporesauceBecause I won a beta code ^_^
23:57.07Wormycool checking it out
23:57.53CatfaceI'm already making a long ass cave
23:59.36SporesauceAre you playing classic?

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