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16:00.49ImperiosHi OP/
16:03.14ImperiosOP?
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16:39.26ImperiosHi people
16:39.29XhoHello
16:39.31ImperiosAnyboy here?
16:39.45XhoHmmm....why is it that some users are narrow minded little children
16:40.23ImperiosWho?
16:41.01ImperiosAh, who oppose the cleanstate?
16:41.05Xhoyeah
16:41.30GhelaeHello!
16:42.03GhelaeI was just replying to the comments on the cleanslating blog.
16:48.43XhoWhat I don't see is how people fail to see that this isn't going to do anything bad at all
16:48.47ImperiosBTW
16:48.58ImperiosI see this as a chance to de-fantasyse fiction universe a bit.
16:49.18ImperiosWe now have a fantasyverse, so we do not need gods, magic. We now have Fantasyverse for this.
16:50.10ImperiosOf course this will stay a little bit, but still.
16:50.47ImperiosPeople?
16:51.16ImperiosAnyone?
16:51.26GhelaeWhat do you want us to say?
16:51.34XhoAbout what
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16:52.44ImperiosOkay
16:52.44GhelaeHi!
16:52.54IrskaadHello.
16:52.59Imperiosnow, what confuses you in cleanstating IRC?
16:53.13IrskaadI wrote many comments about it.
16:53.14ImperiosI am not as angry as our little 'Docto, so I can explain...
16:53.21XhoIt's been explained like 14 times right in your face
16:53.37GhelaeAnd I've replied to some of your worries on the blog.
16:53.52IrskaadOk, lemme see...
16:54.21GhelaeBRB
16:55.34Ghelaeback
16:55.53IrskaadGhelae, you didn't reply to the comments on the bottom of the page.
16:56.19GhelaeI didn't reply to all of the problems, no.
16:56.45GhelaeAnd I didn't post it at the bottom of the page, since not all of the problems were mentioned in the comments at the bottom of the page.
16:57.51IrskaadAnd what will happen to this page? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Locations
16:58.06XhoArchived?
16:58.12XhoIrsk seriously gain some insight
16:58.13GhelaeIt will be archived to refer to the old universe, and/or replaced with one for the new universe.
16:58.40IrskaadI honestly don't like the idea, I didn't like it from the start.
16:59.08IrskaadHello, Oluap.
16:59.11GhelaeHi, Oluap.
16:59.14OluaPLayerOh shi
16:59.25OluapPlayerThere
17:00.11Xho*Xho starts pulling his hair out and scratching the skin off his face* GAAAAH (&^(&%^&*(^*&%$*^)&*%&^%
17:00.39OluapPlayerDid Xho got petted again or what
17:00.54GhelaeIrskaad keeps on saying that he doesn't like the cleanslating idea.
17:01.35IrskaadIndeed I don't.
17:02.00OluapPlayerI already gave up in trying to explain it to him
17:02.00ImperiosMAN
17:02.00OluapPlayerSo I won't waste my time trying again
17:02.08ImperiosCLEANSTATE IS SAFE
17:02.26IrskaadHow is it safe, planets get busted, Galaxies get busted, etc.
17:02.39IrskaadI'm not going to take part in it, I have decided.
17:02.44GhelaeBut how many problems does that really cause?
17:02.45Xho*Xho smashes his screen apart*
17:03.03ImperiosSo what
17:03.04Imperios?
17:03.10ImperiosIt isn't really a problem.
17:03.14IrskaadSorry for everything, Xho.
17:03.15XhoFuck you, i'm going somewhere else for now
17:03.23ImperiosPlanet?
17:03.26IrskaadIt is for me.
17:03.36IrskaadI've worked on my fiction for months.
17:03.39ImperiosImportant things will be saved, such as major planets
17:03.45ImperiosI worked for years, man.
17:03.56IrskaadAnd you don't have much fiction. I have a lot.
17:04.00GhelaeThe fiction won't be wasted. I've already said that on the blog.
17:04.05OluapPlayerI just don't get why you hate the idea so much if you aren't going to lose anything at all
17:04.15ImperiosWell?
17:04.15ImperiosSo
17:04.18ImperiosBasically
17:04.19Xho_AwayI have almost 10 fictions
17:04.30Xho_AwayHow do you think imma fix that
17:04.33IrskaadAnd most of them are Tier 2+.
17:04.37ImperiosKraw Galaxy lost is nothing.
17:04.41Xho_AwayOh I don't know...retcon maybe
17:04.42ImperiosThey will be saved
17:04.42Xho_AwayDX
17:04.45Imperiosand placed into a new galaxy
17:04.47IrskaadIt is to me, it's my canvas.
17:04.49GhelaeIrskaad: Exactly. They'll be harmed more.
17:04.56Imperioscalled a New Kraw, for example.
17:04.58GhelaeTier 4s and 5s will lose very little.
17:05.03ImperiosYe-es.
17:05.07ImperiosSo basically
17:05.13Imperiosyou make JUST. ONE. NEW. PAGE.
17:05.35IrskaadI don't feel confortable with this idea.
17:05.36OluapPlayerIn this case
17:05.46OluapPlayerCan't we save the whole Kraw Galaxy?
17:05.56IrskaadLet the Zannies do it.
17:06.02Xho_Away*Xho devours a kitten's soul* FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
17:06.11GhelaeIt seems to be an emotional issue, really. When you first heard the idea, it sounded like a bad one, so you're still operating with that idea in your head.
17:06.12IrskaadSorry Xho, sorry.
17:06.33Xho_AwayNow I know how God feels when people reject him
17:07.00OluapPlayerDon't start religious discussions please
17:07.03GhelaeAnd maybe sentimental feelings for the Kraw Galaxy. In practice, there's no difference between the galaxy and... even a single sector of a galaxy in the new universe.
17:08.27ImperiosWe would have a LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE galaxy.
17:08.35ImperiosJust control an arm.
17:08.37Imperiosin fact.
17:08.43IrskaadI'm still going with my Zanierton idea.
17:08.46ImperiosI see it as a refresment.
17:09.11OluapPlayerI think your Zanierton could work
17:09.21IrskaadIndeed, I had this idea for a while.
17:09.24GhelaeThe problem is, the entire multiverse will be destroyed. Even other universes wouldn't last for more than a few weeks.
17:09.26OluapPlayerI just don't want why you don't want them to go to the same unvierse as the rest
17:09.32ImperiosSo you could write about how KG races survive a new hostile enviroment, about fighting each other, for example, for resources, et cetera!
17:09.35OluapPlayerdon't get
17:09.37IrskaadThey will go to that universe.
17:10.16Xho_AwayIrsk its not starting fresh it's expanding
17:10.20OluapPlayerGo to an universe separated from the rest of the survivors sounds silly to me
17:11.07XhoTherefore, other empires could develop newer and different technologies
17:11.12ImperiosYes
17:11.14ImperiosFor me
17:11.20Irskaad*Confused*
17:11.30XhoI hate you so much sometimes
17:11.38OluapPlayerThere's your problem, you never tell us "why" you are confused
17:11.38Imperiosit is chance now to have a mortal fiction - not supernatural cthulhus or crazy cultists - something like my old Radeons.
17:11.55XhoWell
17:11.58IrskaadMy fiction was not in that category, and I am also affected.
17:12.08XhoWhere would I be without Tier 1's and o's
17:12.19XhoI would be the Xho you all know and hate
17:12.24Xho*wouldn't
17:12.40OluapPlayereye haet u so much u
17:12.50GhelaeIrskaad: Which category?
17:13.01IrskaadMagical and overpowered fiction.
17:13.10ImperiosYess
17:13.17ImperiosI am talking about myself
17:13.34XhoOh really?
17:13.40GhelaeYou won't be affected much simply *because* you're not in that category.
17:13.51XhoYou've been going on at me for months about stepping down a level or five
17:14.14IrskaadBut I don't know HOW MUCH I will be affected, das ist de problem.
17:14.25Xho...
17:14.26GhelaeAs we've mentioned, the only things that will be destroyed aren't unique things. Planets, etc. Recolonisation would occur in the new universe; thousands of systems could be colonised in a matter of days.
17:14.45ImperiosAgree.
17:14.45XhoHow much? You won't be
17:14.53ImperiosMake a new page: New Kraw Galaxy
17:14.53XhoThink of it as this
17:14.55Imperioswhat is the problem?
17:15.18XhoHigher Tier, bigger effect. Lower Tier, hardly any effect.
17:15.27ImperiosYep.
17:15.34IrskaadImperios: I'm going with my Zannie idea. They transport the Galaxies to that Universe.
17:15.43XhoGalaxies?
17:15.54ImperiosIMO this is magical handwave.
17:15.55XhoWhy save an empty cluster of stars is beyond me
17:15.57GhelaeA universe that would be destroyed as well anyway?
17:16.04IrskaadI JUST SAID
17:16.09GhelaeAnd, again, why do you need entire galaxies?
17:16.29IrskaadThey'll transport the Galaxies to the New Universe.
17:16.37GhelaeIrskaad, Xho and Imperios clearly want to cleanslate more than you want not to. An "I want/don't want to do this" reason isn't good enough.
17:16.40IrskaadIt's my canvas, Ghelae.
17:16.56ImperiosBasically
17:17.04GhelaeI've said, there's real no difference between any galaxy as far as being a canvas is concerned.
17:17.12ImperiosYoAgree.
17:17.15IrskaadOMS This idea sucks.
17:17.20GhelaeOr even a sector of a single galaxy, or even a star cluster.
17:17.23IrskaadI'm not losing my Galaxy.
17:17.44XhoI'm not losing a chance to avoid a wiki meltdown
17:18.42XhoLook, my fiction spans *millions* of galaxies and *many* universes
17:18.51IrskaadIndeed.
17:18.52XhoI can adapt to it
17:19.47XhoMy Tier 5 empire is a tad less powerful than the Kraw and they're being saved from a galaxy
17:20.03IrskaadI know.
17:20.24XhoThe Shka'Tun can make their own way there and so can the Cult so they don't count
17:20.37IrskaadYou're too lucky.
17:21.01XhoWhat I don't understand is that you're just moving location, that's essentially iy
17:21.04Xho*it
17:21.06ImperiosYes
17:21.20IrskaadIndeed. I'm moving my Galaxy to the new Universe, as I said.
17:21.30XhoHmmmm....
17:21.35XhoProblem is though
17:21.44XhoWe couldn't simply just move a galaxy
17:21.53XhoBecause *everyone* would move galaxies
17:22.07GhelaeAnd then the new universe would be exactly the same as the old one.
17:22.12XhoExactly
17:22.13IrskaadThen I'll let mine stay in an alternate Universe until Rebuilding finishes.
17:22.16GhelaeNo "fresh start" for anyone.
17:22.29XhoI suppose that could work actually
17:22.41XhoNo wait it couldn't
17:22.51IrskaadWhy?
17:22.52GhelaeYes, as I've said, the entire multiverse would have to be destroyed.
17:23.07XhoWait....they're not losing anything at all
17:23.11XhoYour empires
17:23.14XhoHardly anything
17:23.16IrskaadIsn't there another Multiverse they could escape too.
17:23.19Irskaadto?*
17:23.20GhelaeNope.
17:23.32GhelaeXho: That's what we've been trying to tell him all this time.
17:23.50IrskaadRIP Sporewiki 2009-2011 =(
17:24.08OluapPlayerUgh, don't overreact
17:24.13XhoHur
17:24.13GhelaeIf we thought that was a bad thing, we wouldn't be suggesting it, would we?
17:24.26XhoIt's more like saving the Universe rather than destroying it
17:24.48IrskaadIt's just too much!
17:24.52OluapPlayerIt's like you are just refusing to listen
17:24.58GhelaeIn what way is it too much?
17:25.06IrskaadI told this over and over.
17:25.35GhelaeAnd we've explained to you over and over, your fears are unfounded.
17:26.08GhelaeYou just keep on restating your points, which we've all refuted, instead of coming up with anything convincing.
17:26.16OluapPlayerXho, if this whole thing happens, what will happen to the Xhodocto?
17:26.33ImperiosActyally not RIP
17:26.37XhoXhodocto would be cba to do more and make the Xhonet and Xhousthoe do the rest
17:26.40ImperiosWe. ALREADY. DID. THIs.
17:26.48XhoMind you that wouldn't be in months though
17:26.53XhoThey'd need to find out first
17:27.15OluapPlayerDon't they have the Xhonet, Xhousthoe and Corruptus to tell them that?
17:27.25IrskaadI'm so sad right now...
17:27.44OluapPlayerGee, calm down, we don't even know if it's going to happen or not
17:28.00IrskaadI hope it doesn't, because I hate this idea so much.
17:28.17XhoWell right now it's going to happen and we've pointed out there's 0 bad things to do with it
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17:28.19LotGHello.
17:28.22XhoHello
17:28.23GhelaeWhy not? It seems your only reasons are completely emotional.
17:28.24OluapPlayerHi
17:28.25GhelaeHi!
17:28.33OluapPlayerYou are being selfish, really
17:28.36XhoLuc try and talk some sense into Irsk that the cleanslate is a feasible idea
17:28.39OluapPlayerYou have no reason to hate this
17:28.55IrskaadI'm leaving for a while, to calm down.
17:29.05Xho*Facepalm*
17:29.21GhelaeHopefully, he *will* calm down.
17:29.34LotGWell, I like this idea of cleanslating.
17:29.48XhoIt's probably that users don't know enough about it
17:30.01OluapPlayerHe is being so selfish, it doesn't even look like him
17:30.01XhoIrsk does, he's just trying to persuade us not to happen
17:30.41LotG@Ghelae, would the Khep Dominion be allowed one war machine from Sohet times?
17:30.58XhoThe only idea of saving a galaxy would be if the galaxy itself was a life form
17:31.09LotGIrsk is worried that his fiction will be damaged or ruined.
17:31.21XhoWhich it won't
17:31.23GhelaeI'm not sure how a war machine would survive from Sohet times, but other than that, I don't see anything wrong with that idea.
17:31.25XhoAnd he fails to see that
17:31.40OluapPlayerHis problem is, he wants to save the whole Kraw Galaxy
17:32.00OluapPlayerThat defeats the point of cleanslating
17:32.11XhoBecause everyone else will save their galaxies
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17:32.26LotGYo Dino.
17:32.29GhelaeHi!
17:32.30OluapPlayerHi Dino
17:32.50GhelaeI don't think he's even unaware that his fiction will be unharmed. It seems to me that, when he first heard the idea, it sounded to him like a bad idea. So, he's kept that idea in his head since then, and he's just trying to justify his fears with excuses, rather than just... get rid of them.
17:33.02Ghelaegetting*
17:33.49XhoIrsk has a theory if the planets were identically mapped into new Galaxies, that would probably work, right?
17:34.12GhelaeWork for what?
17:34.33XhoBe successful then
17:34.49Xhoi.e. Kraw Galaxy planets put into a similar location to before
17:34.54Dino___hello
17:35.33GhelaeWhy would it fail without it? The planets are pretty arbitrary things, really. As I've said before, colonisation of the new universe would be very quick.
17:36.03ImperiosYeah.
17:36.08ImperiosWe would make a new page like
17:36.16Imperios[[Fiction:Arm of Kraw]]
17:36.16morgothBotPyImperios meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Arm_of_Kraw
17:36.17Imperiosor
17:36.24Imperios[[fiction:Kraw Sector]]
17:36.24morgothBotPyImperios meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/fiction:Kraw_Sector
17:36.44ImperiosNow we just need to end current wars ASAP.
17:36.48GhelaeYes, we could feasibly fit everything in one galaxy.
17:37.20OluapPlayerHaha, ASAP. Fog War is just getting started
17:37.28GhelaeA large galaxy (like some people theorise Andromeda to be) could have about a trillion stars. Even with pessimistic estimates, that makes for 4.5 billion habitable systems.
17:37.52LotGThe Holy Shadow War will end within a month or so with everybody's collaberations. If it doesn't, then Moxix and four of the Five Gods would stay alive.
17:37.53GhelaeBut, of course, we could have multiple galaxies. It depends on what people want.
17:38.19GhelaeBut we don't have to have one or more galaxies per user, like we currently do.
17:38.47LotGPerhaps all empires should just inhabit one, new galaxy in the new Universe.
17:38.53XhoThey could
17:39.03XhoBut...that limits galactic affairs
17:39.10Xho*intergalactic
17:39.43GhelaeWhat do we need intergalactic affairs for?
17:40.07LotGGalactic affairs is good enough for me.
17:40.08XhoWell it wouldn't really work with other users anyway
17:40.13GhelaeThere's no real difference between intergalactic and intragalactic politics; they're both just international.
17:40.27XhoUsers would be quite edgy on having one galaxy
17:40.43XhoAnd we still need to convince other users anyway
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17:41.16Ghelae4.5 billion systems should be enough, and that's restricted to sunlike stars in a narrow ring within the galaxy.
17:41.21Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Irskaad/CleanslatingIdea
17:41.26XhoUhhhh
17:41.28LotGWell, over time, perhaps the Vi'Navitum would create more galaxies for empires that need the space, like URC and such. Or the galaxy they all inhabit is a super-galaxy.
17:41.32XhoWhat about the Shka'Tun
17:41.34XhoOh wait
17:41.44OluapPlayerHave you calmed down?
17:41.47IrskaadCheck out the page
17:41.54IrskaadYes I have
17:42.49OluapPlayerThe page
17:42.52OluapPlayerIt looks good to me
17:43.11XhoFuck Vi'Navitum saving Irsk, it was me
17:43.20OluapPlayerNow can we stop this hating, because I'm getting irritated with this
17:43.23GhelaeJust wondering: how many systems, on average, does a typical Kraw Galaxy empire have?
17:43.28IrskaadSo we found a solution to this, after 2 days.
17:43.36Ghelae(Well, okay, not "just wondering"...)
17:44.05IrskaadTier 5s - Around 10 <> Tier 4s - Around 200
17:44.14GhelaeAnd how many empires are there?
17:44.32Irskaad65000.
17:44.40GhelaeHang on... what exactly are your requests for the cleanslating? I can't work out exactly what you're saying on the page.
17:44.44XhoThere's enough Arks Ghel
17:45.02OluapPlayerPlus BCC, plus Carmetego
17:45.03GhelaeYeah, I know...
17:45.08XhoBasically the planets in the Kraw Galaxy would be identically mapped into another Galaxy
17:45.08IrskaadSorry, I'll fix what I'm saying
17:45.25GhelaeIt was about space in the galaxy. But the entire Kraw Galaxy would only take up 13 million systems, and that's if they were all Tier 4s.
17:45.27Dino___complicated discussion it seems haha
17:45.27XhoSo that solves galaxy replacement and Irsk's problems
17:45.34XhoTrue
17:45.48OluapPlayerThe Realm of Dreams is infinite as long as there are living creatures in existance
17:45.58XhoI still believe there should be a number of galaxies
17:46.05OluapPlayerSo there's plenty of space in there
17:46.05XhoEven if they should be smaller
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17:46.35CatfaceHi
17:46.36GhelaeMaybe we can have multiple galaxies... we could discuss it with everybody on the blog.
17:46.37GhelaeHello!
17:46.39OluapPlayerHi
17:46.42XhoThough I would like to agree with the One Galaxy theory, I just can't.
17:46.45XhoHello
17:46.53Catface:/ http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Captian_Char117/Help!!
17:47.02IrskaadFixed my page.
17:47.31GhelaeXho: Well, why not?
17:47.41XhoBecause of other users
17:47.44LotGPerhaps the One Galaxy should be a super-galaxy.
17:47.55XhoCould you imagine the idea of users talking about ONE Galaxy
17:48.08XhoEveryone will be in uproar
17:48.24LotGOr maybe three seperate galaxies
17:48.26GhelaeIrskaad: So, basically, you'll go with the plan that the Kraw Galaxy races can recolonise the equivalent of their old empires in the new universe?
17:48.30OluapPlayerI don't think limiting everyone to one galaxy is a good idea
17:48.30XhoThe cleanslate itself is controversial - we still need users to agree to that
17:48.39IrskaadGhelae: Yep.
17:48.49LotGBasically, I think there should be less than five galaxies.
17:48.56GhelaeXho: Compared to the cleanslating, the idea of one super-galaxy shouldn't be a problem.
17:49.04GhelaeIrskaad: Yeah, that's fine.
17:50.28ImperiosAgree.
17:50.35OluapPlayerSo we good now, stop hating
17:50.45XhoI guess i'm outnumbered
17:50.46XhoSo be it
17:51.03CatfaceWait, one galaxy? RE U MAD SON?!?!?
17:51.08ImperiosNo
17:51.10Catface*are
17:51.10Imperiosit is quite logical
17:51.27XhoWell there's one who disagrees
17:51.30Imperiosin my pre-SporeWiki fiction, the Sporepedia.Ru. Universe, there was only one galaxy, Ardenta.
17:51.32XhoImagine that x10
17:51.40GhelaeCatface, why do you think it's should a bad idea?
17:51.48GhelaeYou do know how big a single galaxy is, right?
17:51.57Ghelaesuch a bad idea*
17:51.58LotGIts huge.
17:51.58OluapPlayerWell, I think we can compare this One Galaxy to the planet of the fantasy universe
17:52.01Imperiosokay, there was also ONE intergalactic empire, kinda equivalent to Yuuzhan Vongs from Star Wars.
17:52.15OluapPlayerNo matter how many species live in there, there will always be plenty of space
17:52.24LotGWe will cross that bridge when we come to it, Imp.
17:52.46XhoWhat about a race as massive as the Shka'Tun?
17:52.51CatfaceI don't know but I just feel like everything is going to get messed up.
17:52.53XhoThat's a problem
17:52.58IrskaadI want my empires to colonize the equivalent of their empires in a new Galaxy.
17:53.00XhoYeah...my thoughts too
17:53.06GhelaeHow big are the Shka'Tun? And how big would they be post-cleanslate?
17:53.08CatfaceSame as Irsk
17:53.19GhelaeIrskaad: Your empires would have a maximum of 13 million systems.
17:53.22XhoNow they're almost in universal control
17:53.28GhelaeI'll repeat what I said before:
17:53.28XhoSo you do the math there
17:54.20GhelaeIn one galaxy with a trillion stars (which, although quite large, is a common estimate for even the Andromeda Galaxy), pessimistic estimates would suggest that there are 4.5 billion habitable systems.
17:54.30CatfaceAnd the United Lanat Empire can't be the United Lanat Empire anymore because, well no more Lanat Prime.
17:54.31Xho4.5 billion huh
17:54.54GhelaeThat's just sun-like stars in a small ring half-way out from the centre of the galaxy.
17:55.04XhoActually
17:55.09Xho4.5 billion systems
17:55.11GhelaeAdd red dwarf stars in that same region, and the number jumps up to about 91 billion.
17:55.11IrskaadI still want a canvas Galaxy.´
17:55.27GhelaeIrskaad, you couldn't use an entire galaxy if you tried. :P
17:55.56LotGThats why I think we should have a single super-galaxy.
17:56.05IrskaadAll My Kraw Galaxy Empires almost cover the entire Kraw Galaxy. [[Fiction:Kraw Galaxy]]
17:56.05morgothBotPyIrskaad meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kraw_Galaxy
17:56.08XhoShka'Tun would be able to inhabit 1,374 a planet
17:56.10XhoOk
17:56.14XhoI'm fine with it now
17:56.26GhelaeAnd that's not even taking into account terraforming technology being able to make planets in other systems habitable, too.
17:56.41XhoNo wait
17:56.50GhelaeIrskaad: But the Kraw Galaxy is really, really, really, small.
17:56.57Dino___Going ot leave again, going to read ascendy book
17:57.03LotGCya Dino
17:57.04GhelaeIt's about one-millionth the size of the Milky Way.
17:57.06Xho137,400 a planet
17:57.06GhelaeOkay, bye!
17:57.06IrskaadGhelae: Zay what? It's the size of the Milky way.
17:57.11CatfaceBye
17:57.20GhelaeIt says it has 450,000 stars in the infobox.
17:57.27IrskaadGhelae: Yep.
17:57.31Dino___bye
17:57.34GhelaeThe lowest estimates say the Milky Way has about 100 billion.
17:58.11XhoHeheheh
17:58.19IrskaadI still want my Galaxy Canvas.
17:58.21GhelaeThe galaxy in Spore isn't a realistic representation of a galaxy. It's as small as it is for the purposes of the game. A realistically-sized galaxy would be too much for a lot of computers.
17:59.05ImperiosBTW
17:59.07GhelaeEven if we only have one galaxy (people might still decide against it), you can have your own region of 450,000 stars as a canvas.
17:59.10CatfaceOkay we can have the super galaxy. I still don't really like it but I'll deal with it.
17:59.18GhelaeIt's not certain yet.
17:59.18ImperiosHow this "New Universe" will be formed?
17:59.29GhelaeI'm just putting forwards reasons why it's not a bad idea.
17:59.38GhelaeImperios: Erm... ask Wormy. :P
17:59.40IrskaadMaybe the New Galaxy that they will go to is a Galaxy in orbit of the Supergalaxy?
17:59.43XhoWait hold on
17:59.52Xho4.5 billion VIABLE planets
17:59.55Xhoright?
18:00.12XhoFor a super-galaxy?
18:00.12GhelaeYes.
18:00.13GhelaeMinimum.
18:00.23XhoHmmmm
18:00.29LotGI have made the Sohet Walker, ancient machines built by the Sohet that use intensified heat as a powerful weapon. They are all-terrain and can walk underwater, with heat blasts still working underwater. They are based on the Tripods of H.G Wells, although, the Walkers have two legs =)
18:00.36XhoShka'Tun might need to terraform a shit ton then
18:00.52GhelaeThat's just sun-like stars, in a thin region of the galaxy known as the "galactic habitable zone".
18:01.08XhoYou don't want the Shka'Tun inhabiting 137,400 of every viable planet do you
18:01.13IrskaadMaybe the New Galaxy that they will go to is a Galaxy in orbit of the Supergalaxy?
18:01.18XhoUnless some don't survive
18:01.26GhelaeYes, it's not taking into account terraforming technology, which could make all but the outer systems (which wouldn't have enough metal for planets) habitable.
18:01.34ImperiosNice idea
18:01.40Imperioslike "Minor Galaxies"
18:01.42OluapPlayerSatellite galaxies?
18:01.43GhelaeEven ignoring that, red dwarf systems woud knock the number up to 91 billion.
18:01.46IrskaadYes.
18:01.47OluapPlayerThat's actually a good idea
18:01.54GhelaeAnd yes, I don't think all of the Shka'Tun would survive.
18:02.03GhelaeSatellite galaxies are one possibility, yes.
18:02.17GhelaeEven they should have billions of stars, though.
18:02.33IrskaadThen the New Universe Kraw Galaxy is a sattelite Galaxy of the SuperGalaxy.
18:02.39GhelaeActually, if we do have satellite galaxies, I might claim one for a new nature reserve.
18:02.44XhoI'd probably divide the population by ten or a hundred
18:02.44OluapPlayerMiniKraw :P
18:03.53LotGI don't think there should be any galaxies orbiting this supergalaxy. Otherwise, in comes more galaxy satellites.
18:04.08GhelaeWe'd have to make a limit to the number right at the start.
18:04.08XhoMaybe 1000 divided
18:04.09CatfaceOne of the things I'm going to miss is large intergalactic wars.
18:04.13XhoSame
18:04.31XhoMind you the galaxy is going to be so big, intergalactic may still be used as a term XD
18:04.44GhelaeWhat's the real difference between an intergalactic war and a large intragalactic one?
18:05.00GhelaeThere's just some more empty space between the battlefields in an intergalactic one.
18:05.21IrskaadSo, do you agree on my Sattelite Galaxy idea?
18:05.29OluapPlayerI agree
18:05.31GhelaeYeah, okay.
18:05.34LotGI don't agree, Irsk.
18:05.35Irskaad=D
18:05.38Irskaad=(
18:05.41IrskaadWhy not?
18:05.44XhoI like it
18:06.01XhoJust that number of satellite galaxies may prove a problem
18:06.08XhoMind you
18:06.12LotGIf you get a supergalaxy satellite, more people will decide to have supergalaxy satellites, thus rendering the supergalaxy's purpose useless.
18:06.19Ghelae"We'd have to make a limit to the number right at the start."
18:06.36Catfacelarge intragalactic= many intergalactic races invading another galaxy.
18:07.09XhoHmmmm maybe think of alternatives
18:07.15GhelaeThe Kraw Galaxy empires could be taken to a large, Kraw Galaxy-sized cluster of stars orbiting the galaxy (maybe the remains of a satellite galaxy that was "consumed" by the main one), perhaps partly because they wanted to make a "new" Kraw Galaxy in the new universe.
18:07.16LotGI am judging there'd be large sectors within this supergalaxy.
18:07.20GhelaeYes.
18:07.21XhoThough the supergalaxy is #1
18:07.27XhoAt the moment
18:07.29Ghelae4.5 billion habitable stars minimum.
18:07.43IrskaadWill it be like the Original Kraw Galaxy?
18:08.09IrskaadI want territories to stay the same.
18:08.27LotGI find it funner for loads of seperate races to be invading sectors and teritories rather than other galaxies.
18:08.37CatfaceBut one galaxy would end noob empires going "zomg teh MetorGrox has over 9,000 galaxys and controlll every star systam in tahan"
18:08.40XhoI suppose there'd be a spiral star cluster somewhere
18:08.59ImperiosWhy noobs cannot currently say so?
18:09.03GhelaeIn size, yes. Its arms might not necessarily be the same, but that could be changed in future (using advanced technology), so that would only be temporary.
18:09.13GhelaeBut then again, there's a chance it could be spiral, yes.
18:09.24GhelaeCatface: So we ign0ore the noobs.
18:09.27Ghelaeignore*
18:09.45IrskaadYeah. So They'll colonize a spiral cluster the size of the Kraw Galaxy.-
18:09.46XhoSimple solutions to complicated problems
18:09.54GhelaeWait... that wasn't a criticism, was it?
18:10.14XhoNope
18:10.20LotGIf there are any intergalactic empires, then they should be shared amongst the community. And have a maximum of one intergalactic empire. No n00b intergalactic empires accepted, only the one cleverly made by the community.
18:10.42GhelaeYeah.
18:10.50GhelaeWhich reminds me, what happens to the Grox?
18:11.02CatfaceI wish I was told about this earlier before I made so many Mirus races.
18:11.10XhoXhodocto probably feel "sorry" for them and then go "MOVE NAO"
18:11.11ImperiosSimply move... PROBABLY, Crimson Tear will rise again.
18:11.15GhelaeAll of the races can survive.
18:11.21LotGThe Grox would probably die or diminish.
18:11.23ImperiosThey can move for themselves.
18:11.32Imperiosor Crimson Tear, again, can rise.
18:11.35XhoXhodocto are probably going to save the bad guys the Vi'Navitum don't want to
18:11.37GhelaeYeah, the Grox Empire could become good guys... at least, temporarily.
18:11.53ImperiosYep.
18:12.01ImperiosWhy Xhodocto need to save the bad guys?
18:12.07ImperiosIs Evil a Big Happy Family?
18:12.26XhoWell they need universal balance in order to create chaos out of it
18:12.30CatfaceYAY VOID ORDER!
18:12.31XhoXhodocto Philosophy dammit
18:12.35IrskaadI added this to the KG Page: "It is known that there is a cluster near to a supergalaxy in another Universe which looks almost exactly like the Kraw Galaxy."
18:12.44GhelaeWould the Vi'Nativum even care whether an empire is "good" or "evil"? They're all lifeforms, and few of them are themselves anti-life.
18:12.50LotGZazane are going to die during this, saving only Tyraz, Kezoreg, Gala, and three of Tyraz's Descended bodyguards.
18:12.54GhelaeIrskaad: Well, the new universe doesn't exist yet.
18:12.55OluapPlayerI was thinking about the Junction end up saving the Grox
18:12.56ImperiosEola'Nar are about balance, so they can do it as well.
18:13.21XhoWell, Vi'Navitum only save those who save what they deem as worth saving
18:13.23GhelaeMaybe, Oluap.
18:13.29XhoBad guys don't fit into that
18:13.42GhelaeWhat exactly are their standards for being "worth" saving?
18:13.45ImperiosDivin-Ra is basically a heartless bitch so she may save some for balance.
18:13.55XhoThis galaxy, how big is it going to be numerically?
18:14.04GhelaeAbout one trillion stars.
18:14.10XhoIf its anything like IC 1101 I will laugh
18:14.14ImperiosExcept Corruptus. if Divin-Ra will save Corruptus, Felaanith will strangle her.
18:14.15XhoOh not that big then
18:15.01XhoAssuming IC 1101 has 100 trillion stars
18:15.06OluapPlayerCorruptus will be aiding in the universe's destruction
18:15.07GhelaeYeah.
18:15.09OluapPlayerThey are part of the Xhoddie arks
18:16.17XhoWhat would be its width in ly
18:16.20GhelaeBut I think that the new universe would be relatively young when the Arks enter it - almost certainly less than 10 billion years old - so there woudn't have been enough time for so many galactic collisions to occur.
18:16.45GhelaeIn case anybody's wondering - I think the Arks would wait sort of "out of time" until the new universe forms and is ready to enter.
18:16.54XhoYes it would
18:17.04CatfaceMy cat just bit me in the chin :/
18:17.20CatfaceDamn troll cat.
18:17.24LotGOuch
18:18.16OluapPlayerlol again?
18:18.23CatfaceYes
18:19.26OluapPlayerBy the way, the Fog War is being updated right now
18:19.38CatfaceNow he is running around meowing at me.
18:19.39XhoNot bad
18:19.42IrskaadIs anyone mad at me?
18:19.59OluapPlayerUhh no
18:20.00GhelaeNo.
18:20.12LotGNo, I just don't agree with the super-galaxy satellite.
18:20.28CatfaceYES WE ARE VERY ANGRY. No, I'm not mad.
18:20.43XhoMaybe the Galaxy could be bigger to remove the satellites?
18:20.48IrskaadNO
18:20.57GhelaeNo, Irskaad wants his own mini-galaxy.
18:21.01XhoI suppose
18:21.07GhelaeThe galaxy's more than big enough as it is.
18:21.28XhoI know, but trying to meet users' opinion is hard
18:21.32GhelaeWe'll agree on a fixed number of mini-satellites at the beginning, and maybe their purposes as well.
18:21.41LotGIf its a mini-galaxy, then I don't think the term "intergalactic" should be used for its inhabitants.
18:22.38GhelaeWhy not?
18:23.00GhelaeWell, actually, it depends on how seperate it is from the main galaxy.
18:23.06GhelaeIt wouldn't be actually part of the galaxy
18:23.47Ghelaebut it might still be quite close... just a large spiral cluster a few hundred parsecs from the main disc.
18:27.13CatfaceI guess also we could add new galaxies if needed.
18:27.37XhoIf needed, though current capacity requires not to. But good call.
18:27.47XhoSmartest comment all day
18:28.35LotGAgreed.
18:29.36CatfaceDid I win something?
18:30.07OluapPlayerYou win a lifetime supply of oxygen
18:30.13Catface:D
18:30.20OluapPlayerBTW, war is updated
18:31.37OluapPlayerI wish Um was here, there's him all over that new part
18:32.52XhoYay MeShu's in it
18:32.59OluapPlayerYa
18:33.32LotGI'm adding a weapons section to the Khep Dominion.
18:33.50CatfaceXho do you want to know what the world would be like without you?
18:33.50XhoI might introduce a new fiction branch from the Xhousthoe
18:33.54XhoBetter?
18:33.56Xho:P
18:34.05Catfacehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwd4PyTyG1o&
18:34.12OluapPlayerWikiverse without Xho would be boring
18:34.31LotGTru dat
18:34.36CatfaceYep
18:34.56OluapPlayerWe all love them Xhoddies and their Asgord-related shenanigans
18:35.08XhoSo as I was saying
18:35.13XhoI might introduce a new fiction branch from the Xhousthoe
18:35.21OluapPlayerGo on
18:35.40XhoThey'll be a tiny bit similar to your Dark Five, though they'll be a race
18:35.50IrskaadOluap, why is Gorf in the Vida'Rra section?
18:35.59OluapPlayerWe shall know
18:36.01OluapPlayerIN THE FUTURE
18:36.08OluapPlayerSimilar in what way?
18:36.09XhoThey'll be a hivemind, and like to terrorize planets, but controlled by the Xhousthoe
18:36.15XhoTerrorizing mortals
18:36.23OluapPlayerOh
18:36.54XhoThey'll have a similar role to the Cult, though much more Tier U
18:36.58OluapPlayerWell, the Dark Five won't come back, so will need substitutes!
18:36.59XhoIn terms of everything
18:37.03XhoAh cool
18:37.07ImperiosI KNOW
18:37.14ImperiosGorf is the last Vida'Rra!
18:37.17ImperiosWho?
18:37.20ImperiosXhousties?
18:37.27ImperiosFINALLY YOU DO SOMETHING FOR THEM
18:37.40OluapPlayerIf the Dark Five came back, it would defeat the whole point of them being special
18:37.41ImperiosBTW
18:37.50OluapPlayerPlus Tyraz's participation in the war
18:38.05LotG=)
18:38.05XhoThey'll be called the 'Desolation Hivemind' so not very imaginative but nice name
18:38.47OluapPlayerI'm still not sure if Alan/Shu'suvecra will come back either, depends on how much people like him
18:38.58LotGI don't like him.
18:39.08XhoI'll introduce them in the Second War of Black Fog, once im done making them
18:39.17OluapPlayerDo tell me why
18:39.36XhoI'll do that now so you guys have the despair to encounter them >:)
18:39.46OluapPlayerGo ahead
18:39.52LotGAlan's appearance and overpoweredness is what makes me hate him.
18:39.52OluapPlayerJust don't kill everyone...yet
18:40.12OluapPlayerAlan is the least powerful of the "Shu"s
18:40.15IrskaadAny date for the cleanslate?
18:40.21ImperiosI like Xhousties
18:40.23ImperiosBTW
18:40.24LotGThis August.
18:40.25GhelaeNo, not yet.
18:40.35ImperiosI pictured them as corrupt, hedonistic...
18:40.36GhelaeProbably around August, though, yes.
18:40.47IrskaadWe must discuss a date, so we can prepare in advance.
18:40.59OluapPlayerSo, he is not "overpowered"
18:41.11ImperiosYes... Well, I think ASAP
18:41.16LotGIs 139 meters tall too big for a war machine that stands on two legs?
18:41.20OluapPlayerOf the Shus, Alan is mortal
18:41.30IrskaadLotG: Don't make it 300.
18:41.37OluapPlayerThat gives him a gigantic (hur) disvantage
18:42.33ImperiosIt's magic, man.
18:43.49LotGI think I'll make the Sohet Walkers around 30-feet tall.
18:44.01LotGIf that is allowed.
18:44.36XhoOh wow
18:44.47XhoMy Spore crashed before it even started
18:44.56LotGwow
18:45.03OluapPlayerThat happens to me too
18:45.07Ghelae10 metres? Erm... okay. You said there'd only be one remaining, didn't you?
18:45.23OluapPlayerXho, are you still going to make that Angazhar-Maryah encounter?
18:45.38LotGI decided three in the end. Although, one is really needed.
18:46.01GhelaeThat's still not very many, so, okay.
18:46.09LotGCool, thanks.
18:47.50CatfaceThis means something I'm sure Envio de vídeo direto da câmera
18:48.00ImperiosOkay
18:48.01Imperiosstill
18:48.26OluapPlayerWhat's that about sending a video directly from the camera?
18:48.42LotGThe Klaxxa have helicopters, the Khep Dominion has walkers.
18:48.53IrskaadVrorekaa have drums.
18:49.00LotGlol
18:49.08CatfaceI have no idea
18:49.42OluapPlayerCaxildiz have hax jumps
18:49.49LotGlol
18:50.02GhelaeAnd Arbor Vitae has some big glowy sticks.
18:50.08XhoMaryah Encounter
18:50.26XhoI'll do it the same time as the Desolation Hivemind comes in
18:50.31OluapPlayerOKee
18:50.54CatfaceThe Magnus are big
18:51.10CatfaceCaps makes you level faster.
18:51.39LotGInato has overpowered strength. Well, he does protect the Eye.
18:52.08OluapPlayerKarps, Harkin and Vectrom have overpowered...everything. Except they hardly fight at all
18:52.36LotGDone.
18:52.46LotGhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Khep_Dominion#Weapons
18:54.46ImperiosKlaxxa are pretty much overpowered.
18:55.05ImperiosThey are basically a Civilization Stage empire in the Tribal Stage universe.
18:55.08CatfaceBye
18:57.50LotGThe Khep Dominion has heat rays!
18:57.56XhoFuck
18:57.59XhoSpore crashed again#
18:58.47OluapPlayersporetrollface.png
18:59.11ImperiosWell, Klaxxa can bomb it!
18:59.45IrskaadHeat Rays are 21st century items.
19:00.00ImperiosWell, is it a relic technology?
19:00.16LotGAnd Xho's like "Forget you!" and "Forget Spore too!" Said, if I was richer, I wouldn't be with ya, ha, ain't that some sh*t?
19:00.44LotGThese Heat Rays are solar, but aren't as powerful as 21st century heat rays, but are still powerful for the current time.
19:01.03LotGThe Heat Rays run on solar relics and solar rays.
19:01.05XhoAND AGAIN
19:01.08XhoIT CRASHED THREE TIMES
19:01.23LotGAnd Xho's like "Forget you!" and "Forget Spore too!" Said, if I was richer, I wouldn't be with ya, ha, ain't that some sh*t?
19:01.53OluapPlayerTriple trolling
19:03.47XhoI don't get it DX
19:03.52LotGYeah he's sorry, he can't afford a Ferrari, But that don't mean I can't get you there. I guess he's an Xbox, and I'm more Atari, But the way Spore plays your game ain't fair.
19:04.29OluapPlayerLotG stop smoking
19:04.37LotG???
19:04.54OluapPlayerYou keep speaking nonsense
19:05.13LotGIt's Cee Lo Green.
19:05.24LotGHe sings this catchy tune.
19:09.52LotGAnyway, the Sohet Walkers are pretty dangerous due to their own heat rays, which can burn through ships with ease.
19:11.50*** join/#sporewiki Fiddich (~fiddich@p548B3334.dip.t-dialin.net)
19:11.56LotGhELLO.
19:11.59LotGHello.
19:12.20ImperiosI am trying to find quotes to represent SporeWiki creatures
19:12.42ImperiosI've found one Bible quote suitable for Asgord and one for Xhodocto,.
19:13.06ImperiosAsgord:
19:13.06ImperiosAnd they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. —Isaiah 2:4
19:14.48ImperiosAnd he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. — Mark 5:9
19:14.52ImperiosThat's Xhodocto.
19:14.59ImperiosPeople?
19:15.05LotGCool!
19:15.06OluapPlayerCool quotes
19:15.22OluapPlayerI'm still waiting for you to write more about the revived Ernai
19:16.07LotGOne for the Zazane.
19:16.15LotGHonour is like an island, rugged and without shores; we can never re-enter it once we are on the outside. - Nocholas Boileau
19:16.24LotGNicholas*
19:18.10ImperiosThat's for Radeon
19:18.11ImperiosBurn down your life Set fire to all your ties of home, family and love Light the fires and allow it to spread to thy neighbor's homes as well Leave and never return, seek the truth ever more For God is Great! — Kabir
19:18.24ImperiosBurn down your life/ Set fire to all your ties of home, family and love/ Light the fires and allow it to spread to thy neighbor's homes as well /Leave and never return, seek the truth ever more/ For God is Great! — Kabir
19:19.24ImperiosShu - Know that the Warp goes where the Warp wills, into man, beast and machine.
19:22.06LotGBible quotes to match Zazane are hard to find.
19:22.38ImperiosYes, I am just finding various quotes
19:22.42Imperiosfrom various sources
19:24.02LotGWhen I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. - Deuteronomy 32:41, for Zazane.
19:24.39ImperiosWell, I have a Bible in my home, but it is on Russian.
19:24.54IrskaadWhy?
19:25.32LotGBecause Imperios is Russian.
19:25.46OluapPlayerlololol
19:25.51IrskaadNo, why does he have a bible? He's atheist,
19:26.10ImperiosMy mother is Christian, and generally all my family.
19:26.18IrskaadOh, ok.
19:26.34ImperiosAnd why not? It is interesting.
19:26.47LotGSame here.
19:26.53ImperiosAnd I do not deny existence of god, nor His non-existence.
19:26.54IrskaadIntersting to find the inumerious flaws in it.
19:27.08IrskaadInumerous*
19:27.48ImperiosWell, isn't it beautiful? For it was a moral guideline to many generations before, for it helped to unite nations under the banner of God...
19:27.54ImperiosDamn, I started to speak like a Radeon...
19:28.38ImperiosWhether God exists or not, the faith is a good thing IMO. W
19:28.53ImperiosIt is like everything else, good in some dose.
19:29.19*** join/#sporewiki Wormy (55d35151@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.81.81)
19:29.25Wormyhi
19:29.26XhoHello Wormy
19:29.28LotGYo Wormy!
19:29.38XhoGah fuck it crashed again
19:29.43Wormyello ello ello
19:29.46OluapPlayerHi Wormy
19:29.54OluapPlayerHave you seen the new war update?
19:30.05OluapPlayerEmperor Wormulus is the next on the list
19:30.44LotGGenesis 3 was an interesting read.
19:30.48GhelaeHello!
19:30.56LotGhttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203&version=NIV
19:31.25Wormyjust read it
19:31.47WormyWoormulus would like a challenge, remember he fights in iopen battle
19:32.05WormyOne of the few leaders on SporeWiki who does
19:32.11GhelaeWormy, two things: Firstly, should we adopt that Higgsless model into the SporeWikiverse?
19:32.17LotGMoxix is back, so maybe Wormulus would like to fight him again.
19:32.24OluapPlayerShu'ytrogarva knows that Wormulus is immortal
19:32.25GhelaeSecondly, for the cleanslating, we need to discuss what would happen with the AI Netspace.
19:32.36WormyI like the theory, so I wpuldn't mind
19:32.41OluapPlayerHe is more interested in startling the DCP than really killing them
19:32.44WormyIndeed
19:32.53GhelaeIs that a "yes", then?
19:33.00XhoAND AGAIN
19:33.02XhoDX
19:33.09OluapPlayerconforts Xho
19:33.21XhoIt's no longer working for me
19:33.22XhoT_T
19:33.28WormySome AI's are minigods
19:33.44XhoI can never play Spore again
19:33.52OluapPlayerTry restarting your PC
19:33.55WormyLike Exodium, who could possibly gather enough energy (considering they perciece time dufferent to us) to escape
19:33.58XhoOk
19:34.04LotGAnd Xho plungeth his sword of dark into the ground from which man came, and shouted "I hate thy game!"
19:34.51WormyHave you read the cleanslate blog?  I have an idea for crystalspace and surviving AI's
19:35.12OluapPlayerThe lulz, Wormulus will confuse Shu'ytrogarva to a Xhodocto
19:35.25GhelaeYes, I saw you'd mentioned "crystalspace".
19:35.29LotGThe Xhodocto clogged Xho's game, probably. What he gets for not sharing his recent Xhoddies..... j/k
19:35.32LotGbrb
19:36.03WormyTHe AI netspace is as advanxced as OA@s Archailects (not I did not copy OA, my initial inspiration for the AI's was the Culture Novels)
19:36.07Wormyhttp://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/492d76d2f173e
19:36.39GhelaeWhat I'd do with the Girdo and Tokzhalan Empires in the cleanslating: Both empires, and life from the Girdo Nature Reserve, will go to the new universe, along with some allied AI technology. In the process, the living Imperials have to sacrifice themselves (quantum replicators might not work so well between multiverses) to maintain the life.
19:36.40WormyExodius probably has a tipler oracle type machine http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48507a11adbd7
19:37.29GhelaeAll of the Imperials become part of their group minds, and then the two minds merge, resulting in a single group mind/AI that will control the nature reserve in the new universe.
19:38.18WormyMy ideax is that in the final seconds, some of the arks need more time, so the DCP sacrifices 99% of itself, including characters and lot to buy time.  They of couyrse would be obliterated by a wave of unreality, but...
19:38.41WormyThere is crystal space, as the BCC tries to preserve itself
19:38.45ImperiosI found that
19:38.52Imperiosnot only you make your fiction
19:38.59Imperiosbut your fiction influencea] you.
19:38.59WormyAnd some of the DCP, including characters, survive in an Omega
19:39.12LotGgtg dinner
19:39.12WormyHow?
19:39.56WormyNot me, I never let some fiction take over my real life lol
19:40.50ImperiosI found myself becoming more religious since I started to make SporeWiki fiction...
19:41.30WormyI tend to just pour all that interests me in my fiction - science, strange aliens, technology etc
19:41.49WormyDo you believe in Spode now?
19:42.00Wormylol
19:42.46WormyWhy not?  Maybe Spode influenced Maxis to make a game involving him
19:43.27GhelaeYeah, but Spode in the SporeWikiverse is now the hive mind of a race of ascended beings (the Eola'Nar).
19:43.34GhelaeIt's the One God he'd believe in.
19:44.10WormyUnless he is a demon worshipper
19:44.14Wormylol
19:48.01ImperiosXD
19:48.04ImperiosNo Wait
19:48.06ImperiosI am ASFkasdftadsjfga
19:48.06Imperiosfgad
19:48.07Imperiosgasgasgas
19:48.07Imperiosgas
19:48.08Imperiosgasfas
19:48.08Imperiosga
19:48.09Imperiossg
19:48.09Imperiosgas
19:48.10Imperiosas
19:48.11Imperiosga
19:48.11Imperiosgs
19:48.11Imperiosas
19:48.11Imperiosgas
19:48.11Imperiosga
19:48.48ImperiosYep.
19:48.56ImperiosI worship Tricarrion ! XD
19:48.57OluapPlayerWhat the hell
19:49.03ImperiosJoek.
19:49.05GhelaeHe's trying to convert us to his demon-cult with subliminal messaging!
19:49.08GhelaeEverybody run!
19:49.16ImperiosXD
19:49.18ImperiosOkay
19:49.29ImperiosI removed Spode from SporeWikiverse...
19:49.29ImperiosXD
19:49.51ImperiosSpott is tott XD
19:50.11LotGBack.
19:50.26ImperiosOkay
19:50.27Imperiosjoke
19:50.28IM_OUTA_HERERun Lotg run
19:50.32ImperiosI WORSHIP TRICARRION
19:50.35Imperiosokay joke
19:50.45Ghelaecovers Imperios with holy water
19:50.46IM_OUTA_HEREHe is using subliminal messaging
19:50.52LotG???
19:50.55Imperiosblows
19:51.01GhelaeEww.
19:51.03Imperiosshows his true form.
19:51.07IrskaadAll of this happened because I showed Imperios a video.
19:51.08IM_OUTA_HEREires positive chi blast
19:51.12ImperiosIN-KA-KAISHU.
19:51.29GhelaeNo, don't *ire* positive chi blasts! That's the worst thing you could do!
19:51.47Imperiosdescends.
19:51.53Ghelaeshoots Imperios with a silver bullet
19:52.15Imperiosdies then revives. Descension.
19:52.36IM_OUTA_HEREire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_Reporters_and_Editors
19:52.51LotGNobody can kill Russians except Russians.
19:53.07ImperiosWell what do you mean by Russians?
19:53.08Ghelaesummons an army of Ascended Russians to kill Imperios
19:53.23LotGPeople from Russia.
19:53.26ImperiosCitizen of Russia or biological Russians i.e Slavs?
19:53.30GhelaeEither.
19:53.32ImperiosI am first, but not the second.
19:53.42GhelaeWhich is more effective against you?
19:53.48IM_OUTA_HEREI haz russian in me
19:53.59GhelaeOMG Wormy ate Imperios!
19:54.02IM_OUTA_HEREThere is a forest in my surname
19:54.14IM_OUTA_HEREin Russia
19:54.41IM_OUTA_HEREWell, not my surname but my ancestors'
19:54.49LotGBiological Russian can overthrow you.
19:54.53ImperiosWhat is that surname.
19:54.59Imperios?
19:55.11ImperiosWell biologically I am Korean.
19:55.11IM_OUTA_HEREyep I ate him good.  You said only Russiuans can defeat him so I did cus IO have the genes
19:55.24ImperiosHm... What is favourite Korean game...
19:55.29Imperiosturns into a Hydralisk.
19:55.50IM_OUTA_HEREI will not show off any of my surnames, I need to keep some info personal, I've revealed enough about myself :P
19:56.07LotGMay I ask which part of Korea you are from?
19:56.56ImperiosMy ancestors fled into Russia before it split.
19:57.03ImperiosI once had a most awesome surname.
19:57.04ImperiosO.
19:57.07ImperiosSimply
19:57.07ImperiosO
19:57.14IrskaadThat's it?
19:57.21IM_OUTA_HEREbest not say
19:57.30ImperiosThen Russians decided to extend it a bit and now I am Ogai.
19:57.43LotGOgai is a cool surname.
19:57.43IM_OUTA_HEREI'm to paranoid
19:58.09IM_OUTA_HEREI think they are watching us chat on IRC now **shivers**
19:58.22IM_OUTA_HEREThe survewllience people
19:58.41GhelaeSo, Wormy, how's that plan to overthrow the government going?
19:58.42Ghelae:P
19:58.57IM_OUTA_HEREyou've done it now
19:59.04IM_OUTA_HEREThey will make me dissapear
19:59.18GhelaeOh, of course you're not planning to overthrow the government.
19:59.20ImperiosWho? Engsoc?
19:59.22IM_OUTA_HEREto an island
19:59.25ImperiosOceania?
19:59.41LotGAtlantis?
19:59.51GhelaeNo.
19:59.57IM_OUTA_HEREThe Island
19:59.58GhelaeJersey.
20:00.12GhelaeOr, if he's really unlucky...
20:00.13IM_OUTA_HERElol
20:00.14IM_OUTA_HEREThe Isle of White
20:00.14IrskaadGet you - Russia
20:00.16Ghelaethe Isle of Wight.
20:00.31ImperiosЩлфн
20:00.33ImperiosOaky
20:00.34ImperiosOkay
20:00.34ImperiosasASfas
20:00.38Imperiosokay
20:00.40IM_OUTA_HEREHmm?
20:00.40Imperiosjoke
20:00.44Imperioskills Tricarrion.
20:00.49ImperiosTricarrion is tott!
20:00.54Imperioskills everyone
20:00.56GhelaeTricarrion was already dead.
20:00.58ImperiosEveryone is tott!
20:00.58IM_OUTA_HEREI can't reaed Russian though :L
20:01.04GhelaeYou just killed an innocent bystander.
20:01.14IM_OUTA_HEREi'm alive
20:01.24Everybodyis dead
20:01.24ImperiosI am Nietzshe.
20:01.27IM_OUTA_HEREyou F A I L E D
20:01.34LotGYou are travelling with McGregor and Scarlett Johannson?
20:01.43LotGEwan McGregor*
20:01.53Imperios'DEAD ARE ALL THE GODS: NOW DO WE DESIRE THE OVERMAN TO LIVE.'
20:02.15LotGI shall not allow the death of the Gods!
20:02.47IM_OUTA_HERENot gonna say, although I should go to DHAMA to escape in a hatch
20:03.03Imperios kills Dhama
20:03.24IM_OUTA_HEREYou  LOST it already
20:03.36LotGWhat about Amadeus? Rock me, rock me, rock me Amadeus!
20:03.50IM_OUTA_HEREDHARMA initiative
20:04.36Imperioskills Amadeus.
20:04.47ImperiosDHARMA is tott!
20:05.00LotGYou don't kill Amadeus! Amadeus kills you!
20:07.04LotG@Wormy, did Ghelae tell you about the one supergalaxy idea?
20:07.17GhelaeI posted it in the blog.
20:07.21OluapPlayerI'm still here btw
20:07.38LotGHello, OP.
20:08.19IM_OUTA_HEREYeah read about it
20:09.16GhelaeSo, I take it you have no problems with the idea?
20:09.47ImperiosOkay, I've probably gone crazy over this religion thing.
20:09.56Imperiosmakes thing go okay again.
20:10.17ImperiosI doubt I will ever be a true atheist or a follower of any religion, for I always doubt...
20:11.17GhelaeThat basically makes you a Weak Atheist, then.
20:11.24Wormyi;m not sure what to think about it.  But an issue in article management is what I', contemplating
20:11.36GhelaeYou don't believe in any deities, but you don't actively disbelieve, either.
20:11.53GhelaeWhat issue is that?
20:13.39*** join/#sporewiki Wormy_ (55d35151@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.81.81)
20:13.45Wormy_Should we create templates to seperate old and new SW fic articles, ad move them to Old Fiction Universe?
20:13.47GhelaeConnection issues?
20:13.51Wormy_yep
20:13.58Wormy_If you had replied, say so
20:14.08LotGYes, I think we should.
20:14.10GhelaeI just asked, "what issue is that?"
20:14.20Wormy_i saw that luckily
20:14.36GhelaeAnyway, old SporeWikiverse fiction would still be part of the new universe, but it would be part of its history.
20:15.01GhelaeIn a way. It wouldn't be part of the universe, but it would be part of the empires' history, and it would be part of the same reality.
20:15.20Wormy_Also, how should be enforce the cleanslated fic?  Its no good tidying up a dirty room id you let it deteriotrae again
20:15.41Wormy_I think we shoukd be like Orion's Arm
20:15.49GhelaeWell, we'd set rules and guidelines to prevent certain things from happening again.
20:15.52Wormy_Things are discussed before added
20:15.55LotGWill there be any new empires in this super-galaxy?
20:16.04Wormy_Rules and guidlines have failed miserably
20:16.26Wormy_I don't think new users are really in the position to read them
20:16.41Wormy_They just write and act selfish
20:16.46GhelaeLuc: I don't know. I imagine the new universe would be as young as it could be while still being able to support life, so there wouldn't be any time for native empires to evolve.
20:17.03GhelaeWormy: There aren't any rules about things like gods, Energies, etc.
20:17.26Wormy_As I was saying, a new empire should be be added until it is allowed to, and things are discussed to make sure it works
20:17.35GhelaeThere are rules against "instant omnipotent empires", and anybody who makes one quickly has the rules thrown in their face and their fiction ignored.
20:17.36Wormy_*shouldn't
20:17.58Wormy_I like the discussion thingie though
20:18.07GhelaeYes, discussion would be the best means of enforcement.
20:18.41Wormy_I mean look at OA's rules http://www.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oa-page&page=gen_contribute
20:18.50Wormy_And they maintain a clear universe
20:20.10GhelaeOur rules don't need to be as complex and numerous as that, though.
20:20.24GhelaeBut yes, we need some.
20:21.41IrskaadDinner, see you soon.
20:21.50GhelaeOkay.
20:21.52LotGCya, Irsk.
20:29.00LotGSo....
20:29.51GhelaeWhat are your plans for the post-cleanslate universe? Just that most of the Zazane will be killed off?
20:30.38LotGZazane would try to help the Vi'Navitum before staying to fight the Xhodocto. And they probably die.
20:31.07LotGTyraz, Kezoreg, Gala and three of Tyraz's bodyguards will go into the new universe.
20:31.22*** join/#sporewiki Xho (5ac811ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.200.17.237)
20:31.29LotGHi Xho.
20:31.33XhoHello
20:31.34Wormy_hey Xho
20:31.42XhoI got my Spore running again
20:31.52Wormy_good
20:31.53LotGCool.
20:31.53GhelaeHello!
20:31.59OluapPlayerSee, I told ya
20:32.07Wormy_When I lost ,y saved games, I was devastated
20:32.18XhoAnd I've made some Desolation Hivemind creatures
20:32.22GhelaeLuc: And what would happen to the Five Gods and Umbrux?
20:32.27WormyThat was the worst thing to happen to me in Spore
20:33.08LotGUmbrux would go with Tyraz, the Five Gods would try to ally themselves with the Xhodocto if they survive the Holy Shadow War.
20:33.31Wormycheck out my new image http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:DCP_member_races.png
20:34.15WormyThe singing Trees use sound to pollinate.  fact.
20:34.36Wormyalthough they sound awful to listen to
20:34.41Wormylike a headache
20:34.59LotGYou know they've finished pollinating cos they go into a crescendo.
20:36.35Wormylol... i guess
20:36.48Wormythey are plants though
20:37.15Wormypollination is airborne
20:37.22GhelaeWhat's alien in the cases of the Wurble, Ottorix, Mantids, Chibby, and Guplet?
20:37.43LotGThis pic looks wrong http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110324200641/spore/images/c/c1/A_player-made_cell_pushes_a_docile_Stabbella_into_a_Buzzy_to_damage_it..png Ass kisser!
20:37.53GhelaeOttorix look like they might live in a chlorine atmosphere, based on the green gas surrounding them (although that's just a guess, as it's not chlorine-coloured).
20:38.36GhelaeAre the Guplet an aquatic species?
20:39.03WormyMantids have different type of intelligence, they hate light so they would have a problkem on DCPO nightlife in the cities
20:39.15WormyGuplet need to be wet all the time
20:39.37WormyOttorix require different atmospheric chemistry
20:40.03WormyChibby - Bit like the Cephalodiands, regard Grimbo worlds too volatile for living
20:40.29WormyWurble - they just looked pretty alien.  Maybe they are quatic
20:40.34Wormy*aquatic
20:41.24GhelaeI don't think I need to ask about the Siliciamorphs and the Singing Trees... but how did trees ever develop technology or become spacefaring?
20:41.25WormyAriel gfiants (in Sporepedia as Ariel potato) were originally native to a gas giant, but I may change that
20:42.21WormyThey posses no tech, but they are intelligent enough to be allied with.
20:42.23XhoAren't some of them Maxis creatures
20:42.45WormyThey have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_sentience
20:42.50GhelaeOkay.
20:42.54Wormyyes most are (rest are my creatures)
20:43.21WormyThe Kurgan is a SApore players (yes I guess I have nicked it from him)
20:43.33WormyBut who cares
20:43.49WormyThey are a major member ingame
20:44.39LotGWhat are the chances of humanity being overthrown by machines?
20:44.47Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Desolation_Hivemind Larvae atm
20:44.58GhelaeAlso, Wormy, what would hapen to the Cephalodian Imperium post-cleanslating?
20:45.41WormyThey may try to escape, but if their symbiotech wants to give up then they will have no choice
20:45.53XhoAnd I think i'm being ignored :/
20:46.01Wormylike how Cepha must asked their stead ships permission to go to battle
20:46.16XhoYes i'm being ignored
20:46.17LotGWell, there is almost nothing on the Hivemind page, so...
20:46.18GhelaeWell, you have only just started the page, Xho.
20:46.25Wormyindeed
20:46.32XhoWell I did say 'Larvae atm'
20:46.36LotGWhat are the chances of humanity being overthrown by machines?
20:46.43GhelaeVery low.
20:46.46GhelaeAt least, for now.
20:46.54GhelaeActually, at the present, no chance.
20:47.03GhelaeIn future, it depends on what happens.
20:47.25LotGWhen we reach a Singularity, will the threat increase?
20:47.54WormyWe have a major drawback to the Singularity, and that is Moore's law
20:48.10LotGMoore's Law?
20:48.20WormyIn fact, I think silicon-based computers becoming intelligent seems rather impossible
20:48.37*** join/#sporewiki Dino___ (5c41793b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.65.121.59)
20:48.42LotGYo Dino
20:48.47WormyWe have failed so far and soon Moore's law will wreck any chance
20:48.55Wormyby 2020
20:49.10GhelaeHi!
20:49.10Wormyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
20:49.16Wormyhi Dino
20:49.17XhoI don't know what the Hivemind should attack first in the war, and what war...
20:49.48LotGHoly Shadow War? Against Moxix or with Moxix?
20:50.02Dino___hello
20:50.16XhoThey're controlled by the Xhousthoe, who are allied with the Xhodocto...so probably NOT against.
20:50.32LotGSo with Moxix?
20:50.49Dino___Oh the Xhousthoe control the Hivemind
20:50.52Wormy@Lotg: By then, we might be able to use other types of computer, but they are low in developmet.  A Singularity could be a century or more away
20:51.04XhoWell they're going to unleash a spontaneous attack on something, but I don't know what
20:51.24Dino___acocrding to there bio they have a large territory in Quadrant 82 in the unexplored regions, tjee the Quarants are in real peril then, theNation ruled by a Xhodocto and the Xhoestoe ready to attack
20:51.49XhoThey could attack Rambo Nation, which seems the most feasible
20:51.53GhelaeDo you want them to destroy *another* of your civilisations, Dino? :P
20:52.06XhoAnd I haven't attacked Rambo Nation in a long time >:)
20:52.11OluapPlayerIf they will be in the war, and they are controlled by the Xhousthoe
20:52.25OluapPlayerThis means Corruptus and Xhousthoe will be allies?
20:52.27LotGIf the Hivemind strikes the Rambo, perhaps that is when the Zazane betray them.
20:53.07XhoProbably, Xhousthoe are much more complicated in personality than the Xhodocto
20:53.49XhoMy first idea was FRA...but I was like "Let the Xhodocto do that"
20:53.58OluapPlayerWell, they will be fighting together in the Terminal Point after all
20:54.00Dino___haha indeed, I think the Rambo Nation escaped the longest from your wrath Xho, they could ofcourse attack but what do the Xhodocto think of it? Since in fact they already control the Nation
20:54.14Dino___RE: Ghelae, perhaps another of my civilizations, nice idea, though not Rambo Nation for sure haha
20:54.14XhoXhodocto wouldn't really care
20:54.24Dino___oh ok
20:54.51Dino___xhodocto are really rude then
20:54.57XhoYeah XD
20:55.19OluapPlayerXhodocto never care for anything
20:55.28XhoTrue
20:55.40XhoThey're like "F*** you" to everything
20:55.55XhoXhousthoe on the other hand
20:56.10Dino___indeed, really bad-ass creatures
20:56.19Dino___what is with the xhousthoe?
20:56.24XhoThey're like "^*^*&^(&%&(^%&(^%(&^(&^%)*&^*&^)*&^*&%(&%&($" then destroy things
20:56.40Dino___oh ok, that sounds also bad haha
20:56.41XhoXhousthoe really don't have a rational personality to begin with
20:56.44WormyLoronish?
20:56.59XhoThey're like a very intelligent version of the Loron
20:57.00OluapPlayerXhousthoe are the inventors of gibberish
20:57.08Dino___but how would dhazhrak then react to an attack? As his acting as Ramashe he must respond to those attacks after all
20:57.12GhelaeSince Imperios isn't here to ask: Do Xhousthoe and Xhonet have females?
20:57.25WormyXD
20:57.28XhoXhousthoe and Xhonet are genderless
20:57.30OluapPlayerlolol
20:58.13XhoSo they're a bit more confused than usual
20:58.33XhoI need to make an image of the Desolation Hivemind attacking a city
20:58.42XhoWell a Rambo Nation city
20:59.04OluapPlayerAnd don't forget the Angazhar encounter or I will ban hammer him to oblivion
20:59.14XhoOh yes that too
20:59.41XhoThere are three kinds of beings in the Hivemind
20:59.52Dino___oh oh a Rambo city!
20:59.57OluapPlayerIn wiki terms, Wormy is Draguros, I am Angazhar and you are a FKA Asgord
21:00.09XhoDrones, Priests and then Mind Abdicators
21:00.10Dino___which one are you planning to use? And what will happen to it?
21:00.12Xho<:(
21:00.18OluapPlayer:V
21:00.43LotGWhat am I?
21:00.46XhoI can't believe that though....two years and still no respect for me outside of the fiction universe
21:00.53Ghelae:D
21:01.04XhoI'm still just a normal user =,(
21:01.06OluapPlayerFRA Asgord
21:01.11OluapPlayerNot true
21:01.15OluapPlayerYou have rollback rights
21:01.23XhoOH YES ROLLBACK RIGHTS
21:01.28Dino___I think you are respected by many Xho
21:01.33XhoWhere would I be without them =.=
21:01.34OluapPlayerThat's above normal user
21:01.38Dino___you and Val started the unify fiction I believe
21:02.01XhoWe did but...in wiki altogether i'm still pretty much nothing
21:02.17Dino___oh ok
21:02.36Dino___you have certain goals you wish to achieve then on the wiki?
21:02.55XhoI just don't feel i'm liked very much
21:03.09OluapPlayerNah, you are probably the most respected after Wormy
21:03.42Dino___oh ok. Really?????
21:03.44LotGWhat about Zagorian? Was he a respected user?
21:03.47Dino___indeed, I agree with Oluapplayer
21:03.54XhoLiquid Ink thinks i'm "annoying" as he said on his User Relations
21:04.09GhelaeThat's Liquid Ink for you.
21:04.22XhoI still leave an imprint on other users as fairly intimidating...which I don't like very much
21:05.00XhoI like to have a bit of an authority over users but still it isn't very good overall
21:05.25GhelaeWhat would happen to the Realms of Existence in the cleanslating? The Astral Planes, Realm of Dreams and Iluvi Realm are essentially psychic constructs; as long as any of their inhabitants survive then so will they.
21:05.33Xho=.=
21:05.54XhoI'll go back to do things then
21:06.03OluapPlayerProbably because your fiction is the Sporewiki version of Satan
21:06.05Dino___ok
21:06.12Dino___already made clear which rambo place to attack?
21:06.17XhoWell no
21:06.21Dino___or you can mkae your own if you want too
21:06.32Dino___you/or I can add it to the planet page
21:06.41XhoHmmm
21:07.24Dino___anyway. it is your decision
21:07.41LotGbrb
21:07.54GhelaeOkay.
21:08.05Dino___orr perhaps new Ramirith in the Tigris Galaxy? Then you are bringing the evil back to Tigris Galaxy :D
21:08.07Ghelae...BRB
21:08.10Dino___to the place where it started
21:08.11Dino___ok
21:09.14XhoI suppose that would work
21:09.26XhoTigris hasn't had any input from me for over a year now
21:09.42WormyMy edit count is dropping by the day
21:09.53XhoHow do you think I feel
21:10.03Xho1 proper edit at the most in a WEEK
21:10.04WormyCus I'm on IRC instead
21:10.14Dino___indeed, it is well defended and losing that potition would alsom mean the Krassio loose any Rambo presence there
21:10.22Dino___1  proper eidt in a week?
21:10.36Dino___You are going to act as me? Little activity at the moment?
21:10.41XhoYeah
21:10.50XhoI haven't done anything proper in a while
21:10.58Dino___hahah
21:11.02XhoI'll add to a section probably once a week
21:11.02Dino___busy
21:11.03Dino___?
21:11.14Ghelaeback
21:11.22XhoYeah...I'll have no activity from May until the end of June
21:11.38Dino___oh ok, tha tis quite some while
21:11.54XhoThose are my final exams
21:12.04XhoIn which I have 14 ><
21:12.06Dino___oh ok, are you standing good for them?
21:12.08Dino___14!!!!!!!!!!!11
21:12.10Dino___tjee
21:12.15XhoMost of them yes
21:12.16Dino___that are a lot of study hours then
21:12.36XhoI do have an incentive though
21:12.45XhoI get £50 for every A or A*
21:12.51XhoSo...
21:12.57OluapPlayerOh wow
21:13.02LotGDoes any empire in the Fantasyverse have submarines yet?
21:13.03Dino___oh
21:13.06OluapPlayerI wish I had that incentive
21:13.08Dino___that is indeed an incentive
21:13.16XhoDo the math...£700 if I had A's on all my exams in the end
21:13.22Dino___no, no submarines, but that isn't really  medieval age like I thought
21:13.26Dino___WOW
21:13.31GhelaeLuc: I think Wormy's Islanders have primitive ones.
21:13.31LotG.....
21:13.41Dino___^_^
21:13.58LotGCool. Khep Dominion don't need submarines. The Walkers can go underwater.
21:14.10Dino___anyway, I am going to leave again, it is getting late
21:14.20LotGCya Dino
21:14.22Dino___Probably will look out tomorrow for edits or new stuff etc
21:14.25Dino___see ya
21:14.29Dino___Bye :D:D:D
21:14.40GhelaeOkay, bye!
21:14.46OluapPlayerBye
21:14.48OluapPlayerAw
21:19.25Wormy@Lotg: The sub is comparable to the French Plongeur of 1863 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Plongeur
21:20.27LotGAah cool
21:23.31WormyI must admit, I was surprised subs dated back that far, and they go back even further if we consider human powered ones
21:24.50WormyBack in the time when people were tougher than today
21:24.58Wormywhen men were men
21:25.30LotGI thought that subs came during WW2, not back in the 1800s.
21:26.52GhelaeNo, that's just when they became really important.
21:27.23WormyI went to a museum and saw a WWI sub
21:27.40WormyIt looked cramped and uncomfortable
21:27.57WormyBarely bigger than the person who got in it
21:30.43WormyI don't think the DCP and Sontarans would get along well.
21:31.03WormyThey would be competitive but the DCP is much stronger
21:31.12WormyMiund you, they did attack Gallifrey
21:31.45IrskaadLezia - *Pets the Worm* Awwww...
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21:34.06CatfaceHey
21:34.16GhelaeHello!
21:34.56CatfaceSo any updates about the cleanslating since I left?
21:36.04GhelaeHow long ago did you leave?
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21:37.02CatfaceErm let me think
21:37.06CatfaceHi Jov
21:37.10Jovar1hi
21:37.17GhelaeHi!
21:37.19WormyI'm beginning to hate Spriggs, he is a selfish, aggressive moaner who is jealous of me
21:37.24Jovar1Hi!
21:37.27GhelaeI don't think there's much else that's been discussed.
21:37.28Wormyhello
21:37.30OluapPlayerlolol
21:37.31Jovar1@Wormy-what's going on?
21:37.50GhelaeThere's been more information revealed about the sacrifices of the DCP, Zazane, and Girdo+Tokzhalan Empires.
21:38.04WormyNothing, I as judging Sprigg's comment on yor blog.  At me again
21:38.23WormyHe pries his fiction too much
21:38.28WormyPrizes
21:38.37Jovar1True dat
21:38.37GhelaeAnd... it seems that that's all we've discussed on the cleanslating since you left.
21:38.53CatfaceOkay
21:39.08CatfaceI can always check the logs and see if I missed any thing.
21:39.57Jovar1I'm a bit neutral on the cleanslating idea
21:40.12Jovar1don't know what to think, really...
21:41.02WormyHe is sore because users paiy attention to my fic and not his, so his every comment about me is rather negative.  He tried to argue with me about the definition of life for nothing, but I won
21:41.32Jovar1lol
21:41.32WormyMeh, I won't go on
21:41.43Jovar1Just let it out, Worm
21:41.55CatfaceMain problems with me: 1. All my work is gone 2. Most of my long term plans are well, too long 3. I still don't care much for the one galaxy idea.
21:42.06CatfaceLet it all hang out.
21:42.10Jovar1^Catface-exactly
21:42.13WormyI don't like the one galaxy idea
21:42.18Wormyto be honest
21:42.27WormyPerhaps one galaxy to begin with
21:42.32Wormyfor a while
21:42.34Jovar1but this would be a good excuse for me to focus solely on the Civ universe though
21:43.32GhelaeYour work wouldn't all be gone, Catface.
21:43.37WormyGood ecuse o end my fiction
21:43.47GhelaeUnless you want it to, of course.
21:43.54Jovar1Yeah
21:44.06CatfaceThe ULE will be gone.
21:44.07WormyI'm hitting a brick wall now, after the fic on my blogs is finished I have a writers block
21:44.09GhelaeAlso, it would be better if people explaied what they dislike about the one galaxy idea instead of simply saying that they don't like it.
21:44.17IrskaadJust do it like me.
21:44.19GhelaeThe same goes for any other idea, as well.
21:44.53WormyAnd of course, its harder and harder for me to maintain my fiction.  I can still eit SporeWiki, but fiction takes time away that I need
21:46.15Jovar1i gtg
21:46.24IrskaadBye.
21:46.36CatfaceI don't like the idea of saying "Well yur gunna stay in this galaxy and your gunna like it" since I'm use to having my own galaxy wide region of space for me to work with and play around with.
21:46.38Catfacek bye
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21:47.57Ghelae_IRC gltiched immediately after my last message.
21:48.40Catface"I don't like the idea of saying "Well yur gunna stay in this galaxy and your gunna like it" since I'm use to having my own galaxy wide region of space for me to work with and play around with."
21:48.47CatfaceI said that
21:49.08Ghelae_And then I said something afterwards. Or did it glitch just before then?
21:49.19IrskaadYou glitched.
21:49.28CatfaceYeah
21:49.54Ghelae_Ah. Well, I said something like: "Well, there's no way you'd be able to use up a full-sized galaxy anyway."
21:50.20IrskaadWhy can't you give him his own sattelite cluster Galaxy?
21:51.18CatfaceNot just for the ULE. I was going to make like 10-15 other smaller political entities in the Mirus that all had some pull.
21:51.36IrskaadAllright.
21:51.49Ghelae_Well, he could do, if he really wanted to, but then everyone would try to get one. Besides, having a satellite galaxy would only be better psychologically. In reality, it would have far less stars (and so less freedom) than the area of the main galaxy that he'd control anyway.
21:52.57CatfaceLike I said we can add more galaxies when needed.
21:53.05GhelaeThe other political entities could be transported to the new universe, too. Does it really make much difference if they influence over a large sector of space surrounded by more stars instead of a large sector of space surrounded by nothing?
21:53.08GhelaeYes, of course.
21:53.33CatfaceAnd I call the next one that is needed. :P
21:53.50CatfaceBut having a galaxy is much more...sexy.
21:54.05GhelaeSexy? You're worse than Imperios. :P
21:54.05IrskaadI wish I could go back 48 hours ago and tell myself about cleanslating, but that would only work in another timeline. =P
21:54.59CatfaceMeh well I don't have the hots for my spore creations :P
21:57.35CatfaceAnyways
21:57.55LotGlol Imp is kinda pervy.
21:58.01CatfaceI'm eatting fruit slices.
21:59.23CatfaceAmish fruit slices.
22:00.12GhelaeAs opposed to fruit slices who prefer to live a life with technology?
22:00.25CatfaceYes
22:00.26CatfaceMade my men with no zippers.
22:00.37Catface:P
22:01.18IrskaadBye, I'm going.
22:01.28Catfacek bye
22:02.22CatfaceI always wanted to force an Amish person to use a computer.
22:03.25Catfacelooks for an Amish person
22:03.57LotGlol
22:04.19GhelaeYou won't find any on IRC, you know.
22:05.14Catface:(
22:06.30CatfaceWhy did I think Xho was here?
22:12.05WormyHe was here, you missed him
22:12.49CatfaceI know he was on before I left the first time but I thought I seen him on just now.
22:18.19CatfaceOrganic green tea with ginger.
22:21.03WormyI take it Lotg doesn't like green tea
22:23.29CatfaceShame on him!
22:23.56CatfaceNow he can't have any of my Ben & Jerry's ice cream.
22:28.12Wormylol
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22:31.59Technobliteratorhi guyss
22:32.51Technobliteratoranyone here?
22:33.04CatfaceWez all deed
22:33.26Technobliteratoraww
22:34.06Wormyhello
22:34.12Technobliteratorhey
22:34.25Technobliteratorhow you guys been?
22:34.25WormyWe were mainly discussing the cleanslate
22:34.32Technobliteratorye i noticed
22:34.33Wormywe are alright
22:34.47WormyThe DCP will be sacrificed
22:34.53Technobliteratorreply to my comment :)
22:34.57CatfaceNOOOOO!
22:35.01CatfaceNOT THE DCP!
22:35.10Technobliteratorfuck no
22:35.13WormyI'm SICK OF THEM
22:35.29Wormyno not really, thats an exgageration
22:35.32Technobliteratoraww whats up? :(
22:35.45CatfaceAre you going to make a new empire?
22:35.51Wormyprobably not
22:35.57Technobliteratorreply to my comment please
22:36.03Technobliteratorand whats wrong?
22:36.25WormyThe real rwason is that fictions as large as mine takes maintenance, and I have less and less time now I am at college
22:36.43WormyWhile I will still edit SporeWiki fiction is difficult
22:36.55Technobliteratorso quit
22:36.56Technobliteratori did
22:36.58Wormybecause it needs a lot of love
22:37.13WormyI still have plans I would like to complete
22:37.26Technobliteratori still had plans i wnted to cmplete
22:37.35WormyI proba won't abandon completely though, I do enjoy writing fiction
22:37.38Technobliteratorthen again your plans people care
22:37.52CatfaceWormy: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Captian_Char117/Help!!
22:38.05Technobliteratorirrelevant
22:38.13Technobliteratoraww and lol no ones listening to me :(
22:38.52CatfaceSrry fella
22:38.58Technobliteratorfella??
22:39.22WormyMy plan, is that much of the DCP will sacrifice theselves for the arks, saving time for a fw survivors and allies. They of course will go to oblivion.  But theres's a ctach.  Remember my BCC?  They will store the DCP in crystal space, for them to rtturn one day
22:39.53Technobliteratorye
22:39.55Technobliteratorthats cool
22:40.13Technobliteratoryou actually came up with a story behind your departure
22:40.15Wormy@Techno: Well, part of the cleanslate is to "cleanse" away the godraces
22:40.31WormyI don't know what the Taldar's status will be
22:40.36Technobliteratorwell
22:40.50Technobliteratorif xhodocto are staying so will ravenrii
22:40.59Technobliteratorand verezaph helped them so verezaph are staying
22:41.06WormyYou see, its more than just the universe that will be destroyed, it will be tentire multiverse.  The Taldar are 5D right?
22:41.14Technobliteratorso i guess i'll give you or op the taldar?
22:41.16Technobliteratorye
22:41.34WormyWell, the Xhodocto may destroy at least 7
22:41.52WormyI'm going to try an make the BCC survive some way, perhaps the Taldar can
22:42.02WormyIf the Xhodocto do, then the Taldar should
22:42.11Wormystay
22:42.16Technobliteratorwelll itd be stupid for 3 of the omnipotent 4 to survive and not the taldar
22:42.22Technobliteratorso ye
22:42.30Technobliteratori'll give them to you or oluap
22:42.34Technobliteratorhes doing fine with them atm
22:42.36WormyI think its not just the Taldar, all of the Omnipotent 4
22:42.40CatfaceWill we ever be able to come come back to teh old universe. I miss it already.
22:42.49Wormyand all the other Tier 0's
22:43.07WormyOnly in crystal space (read Ghelae's blog)
22:43.13Technobliteratorcan someone reply to my comment on that blog?
22:43.14Wormyfor my comment on it
22:43.40WormyI will bring up what we are discussing here
22:44.04Technobliteratori hate being ignored :(
22:44.49Technobliteratorty
22:44.56Technobliteratorat least some reply
22:45.30WormyI did
22:45.45Wormythe wiki has gone inactive suddenly though
22:46.00WormyLol I told Liquid off http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ghel%C3%A6/Universal_Cleanslating
22:46.16Technobliteratorhaha ye
22:46.19Catfacebadass song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI&f
22:46.22Technobliteratorye i saw ty
22:46.30WormyHis posts aren't really contributing or helping his cause
22:47.00Technobliteratorikr
22:47.12Technobliteratorits silly as welll without some dictatorship it'd fail
22:48.19WormyLolcat
22:48.30WormyHey I call you lolcat from now on
22:48.30Technobliteratorhaha that was just hilarious
22:48.38CatfaceYAY 2 votes for Tralor vs. Klingon!
22:49.14Catfaceeverybody's russian!
22:49.59CatfaceLady Gaga is even better than Rebecca Black
22:50.09Technobliteratorye
22:50.17Technobliteratorrebecca black is crap
22:50.27Technobliteratorim better :)
22:50.35WormyRebecca Black sounds like she has no varaition in her voice
22:50.44Technobliteratorthats autotune
22:50.46WormyShe sounds like a robot
22:50.55Technobliteratorexactly autotune does that
22:50.56WormyJustin's girlfriend lol
22:51.00Technobliterator;)
22:51.05Technobliteratorikr
22:51.05CatfaceAnd she can't write lyrics.
22:51.12Technobliteratorshe's awful
22:51.13Technobliteratortrue
22:51.18Technobliteratormy lyrics are better
22:51.20Wormy13 year olds shouldn't drive on the road
22:51.41Technobliteratorlol ;)
22:51.46WormyShe should be arrested
22:51.57CatfaceI don't car what seat she takes.
22:52.01Catface*care
22:53.01WormyFUUUUN FUUUUN FUUUUUUN FUUUUN
22:53.05Technobliteratorhonestly lol shes so completely awful it's ridiculous
22:53.14Technobliteratori take back what i said about justin bieber ;)
22:53.32WormyBad special effects, doesn't look lie she is driving
22:53.44Wormycheap low budget
22:53.47Technobliteratorye
22:53.53CatfaceWe should give her an Airbus A380. That should shut her up about seats.
22:53.54Technobliteratorg2g
22:53.54Technobliteratorcya
22:53.57Technobliteratorxx
22:53.59Catfacek bye
22:54.03WormyOMG SO EXICITED lol
22:54.05Wormybye
22:54.44Catface<PROTECTED>
22:54.49WormyShe had to get a guy to sing for her at the end
22:55.16WormyShe sounds bored, not a very fun party
22:56.30CatfaceNo its FUN FUN FUN FUN!
22:57.26WormyIf there was alcohol maybe
22:58.00CatfaceSo drunk you forget about the bad singing.
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23:10.53CatfaceA shoutout of R17: :-) :) :o) :] :3 :c) :> =] 8) =) :} :^) :D C: e.e O.e O.e :-D :D 8-D 8D x-D xD X-D XD =-D =D =-3 =3 :-( :(  :-c :c :-<:< :-[ :[ :{ D: D8 D; D= DX v.v :-P :P X-P x-p xp XP :-p :p =p :-Þ :Þ :-b :b:-O :O O_O o_o 8O OwO O-O 0_o O_o O3O o0o ;o_o; o...o 0w0 :-/ :/ :\ =/ =\ :S
23:12.01WormyI saw chis megarage on IRC archive
23:12.22WormyMInd U, he stuck his word, he hasn't come back
23:12.44CatfaceWho?
23:12.53WormyR17
23:13.09WormyHe got mad because users were posting emoticons
23:13.54CatfaceOh, yeah. Thats why I gave him a shoutout.
23:14.04WormyLook here http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20110320.html.gz
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