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| 01:39.41 | infobot | lotg <51817df4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.129.125.244> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 1d 5h 33m 37s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzhgz4X_-o&feature=related Angazhar's pet pig.'. |
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| 16:53.44 | Imperios | Hi people! |
| 16:53.48 | Imperios | Hm... BTW. |
| 16:54.00 | Imperios | Maybe my secondary fiction will be Xhousthoe? |
| 16:54.01 | Imperios | Remember? |
| 16:54.05 | Imperios | They were originally mine. |
| 16:54.21 | Ghelae | Hello! |
| 16:54.23 | Imperios | And Xho didn't made aything with them, so I can make it mine again... |
| 16:54.51 | Ghelae | Well, you should probably ask him first, but I don't see why he should care to keep them. |
| 16:55.00 | Imperios | BTW |
| 16:55.16 | Imperios | Should there be Xhoustiegirls or not? |
| 16:56.18 | Ghelae | What will the Xhoesthoe be? Will they still be supernatural beings? |
| 16:56.47 | Ghelae | It's entirely your choice, but if they're not biological entities, then why would they need males and females? |
| 16:57.09 | Ghelae | Not that that stops the Ravenrii and Xhodocto, of course. |
| 16:57.37 | Imperios | Yeah. |
| 16:57.53 | Imperios | Xhousthoe will be Demon Lieutenants of the Deathmarch. |
| 16:58.22 | Imperios | Actually, I originally planned them to be creatures that revived universe back once it is dead... You know, they are old, old concept. |
| 16:58.36 | Imperios | Mushrum grabbed it before me >:( |
| 16:59.59 | OluapPlayer | Hello |
| 17:07.21 | Imperios | They will still be Anti-Xhoddies |
| 17:07.56 | Imperios | Somewhat hedonistic, sinful, closer to mythological devils. |
| 17:09.40 | Imperios | Ghelae? Falco? |
| 17:10.34 | Imperios | Anyboy? |
| 17:10.40 | Imperios | beep |
| 17:10.43 | Imperios | OluapPlayer |
| 17:10.45 | Imperios | Ghelae |
| 17:10.48 | Imperios | FalcoPunch |
| 17:10.48 | OluapPlayer | I'm here |
| 17:10.52 | OluapPlayer | And you know that |
| 17:11.08 | Ghelae | Yes, okay. |
| 17:15.11 | Imperios | Well, what do you think of the idea that while Xhoddies destroy, Xhousties corrpt? |
| 17:15.33 | Ghelae | I don't mind. Ask Xho when he arrives. |
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| 17:19.34 | Um2k9 | Hello everyone. |
| 17:19.45 | OluapPlayer | Hi Um |
| 17:27.46 | OluapPlayer | brb, I need to reboot |
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| 17:39.46 | Imperios | Hi Um |
| 17:40.47 | Um2k9 | Hello! |
| 17:41.35 | OluapPlayer | Um, you still haven't replied to the Junction |
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| 17:43.02 | Um2k9 | I will soon, I am just adding some pictures. |
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| 17:45.34 | Wormy | hi |
| 17:46.23 | Um2k9 | Hello! |
| 17:46.54 | Ghelae | Hello! |
| 17:47.13 | OluapPlayer | Hi Wormy |
| 17:49.00 | Ghelae | BRB... IRC has glitched up *again*... well, actually, the only problem now is that I can't tell if there's an actual problem, but that in itself could be an issue. |
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| 17:52.12 | Wormy | hi again |
| 17:52.14 | Ghelae | Wormy, do you think I should move the last three Concept: pages to the Creature: namespace? There's the problem of broken links and redirects, but they can easily be fixed... probably from tomorrow, when the specialpages caches refresh. |
| 17:53.17 | Wormy | which ones were they? |
| 17:53.31 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=308 |
| 17:54.59 | Ghelae | And if we do that, then (if possible) we can delete the "Concept:" and "Concept talk:" namespaces, which aren't really necessary any more anyway. |
| 17:55.22 | Wormy | Oh, Cottonmouth's concepts were awesome. I suppose there is eough imagery and content for them to be keprt |
| 17:55.57 | Ghelae | Well, I won't delete them, just move them. So should I? I'm ready to do so now, if I should. |
| 17:56.21 | Wormy | Yeah, go ahead |
| 17:57.13 | Wormy | @Um2k9: This pic looks like a realk town does almost http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Spore_2011-03-10_17-46-18.png |
| 17:57.31 | Wormy | Most towns don't have boundaries |
| 17:58.47 | Wormy | I find it really hard to make towns in the adventure creator that don;t look lie a jumble of random buildings |
| 17:58.53 | Wormy | *like |
| 17:59.41 | Ghelae | ...Actually, they all have identical (if not more complete) pages in the Creature: namespace. I think I'll just delete them; if any information is lost then we ca always undelete the Concept: pages and move the information to the Creature: pages. |
| 18:01.58 | Ghelae | And the Concept: namespace is now empty. |
| 18:02.12 | Ghelae | Now to start work on Content: ... :P |
| 18:06.03 | Ghelae | If any of the other admins aren't busy, can you help me in deleting the redirects (listed in grey italics) on http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=101 ? If so, start from the bottom, so we don't try to delete the same pages. If not... oh, well. |
| 18:06.38 | Ghelae | (Make sure you go the redirect page and don't delete the Creature talk: page that it redirects to :D) |
| 18:07.25 | Ghelae | He obviously doesn't want to... :P |
| 18:15.07 | Wormy | lol |
| 18:15.39 | Wormy | I will help |
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| 18:17.11 | Irskaad | bOO |
| 18:17.13 | Irskaad | Boo |
| 18:17.20 | Ghelae | Hi! |
| 18:17.29 | Irskaad | How's everything? |
| 18:17.55 | Ghelae | I'm okay. How are you? |
| 18:18.02 | Irskaad | I am good. |
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| 18:19.04 | Dino_ | hello |
| 18:19.14 | Ghelae | Hi! |
| 18:19.40 | Dino_ | how is everyone doing? |
| 18:19.57 | Dino_ | BTW Ghelae, hope you liked the Northern attack |
| 18:20.08 | Ghelae | I noticed it. |
| 18:20.28 | Wormy | Hello Irsk and Dino |
| 18:20.29 | Ghelae | At the moment, I'm busy doing wiki maintainence, clearing out old "Concept talk:" namespace pages. |
| 18:20.36 | Dino_ | hello wormulon |
| 18:20.37 | Ghelae | So is Wormy. |
| 18:20.45 | Dino_ | nice idea with the AI stuff |
| 18:20.52 | Dino_ | oh ok |
| 18:20.54 | Dino_ | so you are keeping yourself busy :D |
| 18:20.57 | Wormy | So am I, but I'm open for discussion, as wiki experienced has given me the ability edit several psges at once |
| 18:21.37 | Wormy | I could do this in short time, using tabs |
| 18:22.13 | Ghelae | Yes, but it requires a lot of tabs... |
| 18:23.58 | Um2k9 | Hello everyone! |
| 18:24.55 | Um2k9 | @Dino_ I loved the Sovereign-class V2, in my opinion, one of your best yet. |
| 18:25.01 | Wormy | Listening to music softens the burden of long edits |
| 18:25.17 | Ghelae | That's what I'm doing. :D |
| 18:26.43 | Dino_ | hey um |
| 18:26.50 | Dino_ | thanks for liking the class |
| 18:26.58 | Um2k9 | I have made major updates to the Twelve Colonies page, did anyone read it? |
| 18:26.58 | Dino_ | I used the galaxy class as base |
| 18:27.04 | Dino_ | I saw it, very very nice |
| 18:27.09 | Dino_ | I am awaiting the images :d |
| 18:27.11 | Um2k9 | Well, its great! |
| 18:27.47 | Irskaad | Um2k9, I have a question, why do they have patron gods? I thought they were mostly atheist and they believed in the 13th tribe. |
| 18:29.03 | Um2k9 | The Libertus have religion, they are just secular about it. Much like modern day western society. |
| 18:29.20 | Irskaad | Oh, ok. |
| 18:29.49 | Um2k9 | However, many colonies such as Gemenoan and Sagittaria are highly religious, while colonies like Caprica and Virgon are not. |
| 18:31.46 | Dino_ | oh interessting |
| 18:31.56 | Um2k9 | And they don't really worship the Thirteenth Tribe, they worship the Lords of Zodiaiá. Recently, I have decided that the 13th Tribe are just a Tier 0 empire. |
| 18:32.06 | Irskaad | Oh. |
| 18:32.08 | Wormy | The DCP despite popular belief allow different cultures and religions, but they must stay confined to planet and not get mixed with politics etc |
| 18:32.22 | Wormy | The DCP is hostile to external religions |
| 18:32.34 | Wormy | that msy try to impose their beliefs |
| 18:33.06 | Irskaad | Tahars have banned religion in favor of science. |
| 18:33.18 | Dino_ | interessting, the DCP isn't at all that democratic haha |
| 18:33.19 | Um2k9 | Sometimes I get confused with my own fiction. lol |
| 18:33.34 | Wormy | Meanwhile, the DCP government knows about the power of belief, and have accepted Spode-warriors, who can be fiought to the death several times. |
| 18:33.59 | Ghelae | The Girdo and Tokzhalan Empires have many religions, but the group mind doesn't really care. Both Empires have "theologists" who study the various religions to determine what truth there might be to any of them. |
| 18:34.18 | Wormy | Much like how the tribal warriors of old could "fight like animals", and carry on fighting despite their injuries |
| 18:34.22 | Dino_ | Rambo Nation only has one, that of the Rambo Pantheon with there myths, legends and gods |
| 18:35.17 | Um2k9 | Awesome picture Dino! I am reading the story now! |
| 18:35.25 | Wormy | There are simulists in the DCP, and there are physical gods, like super AI's, godcivs, Postsapient gods etc |
| 18:35.43 | Wormy | The DCP think they exist and that is wahat the Omnipotent 4 are |
| 18:36.11 | Wormy | Simulism - the belief that the universe is a computer simulation |
| 18:37.07 | Um2k9 | My fiction has many recurring themes, for example, the number 12 is used quite a lot. (12 colonies, 12 gods, 12 Capricornian species, new Quorum of Twelve, etc) |
| 18:37.14 | Wormy | I have a few |
| 18:37.19 | Wormy | Like the Unseen Entity |
| 18:37.41 | Wormy | 23 |
| 18:37.54 | Um2k9 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Spore_2011-03-10_18-34-19.png - Canceron! |
| 18:37.57 | Wormy | hmm 442 to pat homage to Hitchhikers |
| 18:38.01 | Wormy | *42 |
| 18:38.49 | Dino_ | thanks |
| 18:39.01 | Dino_ | I am going to put a small summary at the Cyrannus War page |
| 18:39.31 | Um2k9 | Awesome, and I am responding to your transmission as we speak. Both Dino and Oluap. |
| 18:40.24 | Dino_ | looks great as a city |
| 18:40.28 | Dino_ | very very nice |
| 18:41.42 | Um2k9 | Thank you! They will eventually be replaced by proper templates however. |
| 18:41.55 | Um2k9 | Next up is Gemenoan. |
| 18:42.30 | Dino_ | oh ok |
| 18:42.36 | Dino_ | well looks already very very nice |
| 18:45.54 | Um2k9 | I think I may take a break from making cities and make a battlestar. |
| 18:46.29 | Um2k9 | I was also thinking of expanding on battles that the URC fought in the Second Galactic War, can I Dinoman82? |
| 18:47.13 | Dino_ | ah battlestar |
| 18:47.16 | Dino_ | ? |
| 18:47.20 | Dino_ | sure you can |
| 18:47.31 | Dino_ | Um, you can edit the page and add new events |
| 18:48.30 | Um2k9 | http://www.galactica.tv/images/stories/gallery/razor/pegasus-04.jpg - This is a battlestar! And thank you Dinoman82! |
| 18:49.25 | Dino_ | oh cool |
| 18:51.44 | Dino_ | I remember, thye are great batt;leships |
| 18:51.55 | Dino_ | and the URC used them before? Or at least the CSA did |
| 18:52.21 | Um2k9 | The CSA used them in their early years, but they were then slowly replaced with Star Destroyers. |
| 18:52.56 | Um2k9 | However, now the Colonies are constructing their own defence fleet of battlestars. |
| 18:53.24 | Dino_ | indeed |
| 18:53.27 | Dino_ | obh there own fleet? |
| 18:53.31 | Dino_ | tbhat is nice |
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| 18:53.33 | Imperios | Welcome mortals. |
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| 18:54.37 | Um2k9 | Hello! |
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| 18:54.49 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 18:55.22 | Dino_ | hello :D |
| 18:56.22 | Um2k9 | brb |
| 18:58.55 | Irskaad | Hello! |
| 18:59.28 | Wormy | Dino, could you see and comment on this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Wormulon/The_Singularity_-_Will_you_embrace_it%3F |
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| 19:02.01 | Dino_ | I will take a look |
| 19:02.09 | Dino_ | oh I see, the Singularity |
| 19:04.01 | Dino_ | Is an interessting concept, |
| 19:04.42 | Dino_ | Hmm, I have perhaps a candidate to be extinct |
| 19:04.46 | Dino_ | if you agree with it |
| 19:05.04 | Wormy | Will the Rambo (at least in the Milky Way) have any involment (they don't have to merge to a nooshere, it could be anything that the AI's could interact or affect) |
| 19:05.17 | Wormy | Which one? |
| 19:05.20 | Irskaad | *Lezia goes back in time and pets the Emperor of the Imperial Alliance* |
| 19:05.22 | Wormy | I don't mind |
| 19:05.54 | Dino_ | The Rambulan Starr Empire |
| 19:06.03 | Wormy | cool |
| 19:06.09 | Wormy | I'll add them |
| 19:06.16 | Dino_ | they will surely try to profit from it, but Imperial and Nation technology is still more advanced them then |
| 19:06.18 | Dino_ | ok :d |
| 19:07.24 | Dino_ | The Imperials and Rambo Nation will probably stay out of it, keeping themselves to occupied with themselves, and they are not native to the Milky Way |
| 19:08.10 | Wormy | Thats fine |
| 19:08.15 | Dino_ | the colonial independant unions will perhaps profit from it by the CAS (if at all) and the Hutters do not wish to have dealing with no-natives of the Quadrant Galaxdies |
| 19:08.17 | Irskaad | *Lezia goes back in time and pets the Emperor of the Imperial Alliance* |
| 19:08.24 | Dino_ | though Rambo Nation will probably be interessted int |
| 19:08.47 | Wormy | Perhaps the Rambulans intergrated and tried to make profit with one of the negative AI's, which fries them in the Technoosphere |
| 19:08.58 | Dino_ | oh yeah :D |
| 19:08.59 | Dino_ | sounds cool |
| 19:09.04 | Dino_ | will it be featured somewhere? |
| 19:09.29 | Wormy | Well, the main fic is on this page http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:%22The_Civilization%22/Singularity |
| 19:09.49 | Wormy | But, this could be featured on a substory |
| 19:10.03 | Wormy | You could write it if you wanted (I want users to collaborate you see) |
| 19:10.32 | Wormy | But if you don't want to I could |
| 19:10.44 | OluapPlayer | Hey Irskaad, do you plan to make a page for Toragh 9? |
| 19:10.49 | Dino_ | oh ok, but I must admit I do not have a great knowledge of the AI netwerk, but I will see what I can do |
| 19:10.59 | Irskaad | Oluap: If you want, I can. |
| 19:11.14 | Dino_ | Petting the Emperor of the Imperial alliance? Oh he likes it :P |
| 19:11.35 | Irskaad | Lezia could have allied the Imperial Alliance then. But now it's gone. |
| 19:11.48 | Dino_ | can the Technosphere create somesort of virus to destroy all? |
| 19:11.51 | Dino_ | of the Rambulans I mean |
| 19:14.14 | OluapPlayer | Is there any problem if I create another galaxy? |
| 19:15.11 | Dino_ | oh |
| 19:15.52 | OluapPlayer | It would be the main galaxy of the Junction |
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| 19:16.50 | Catfish | Hello |
| 19:16.59 | OluapPlayer | Hi |
| 19:17.05 | Dino_ | hello |
| 19:17.09 | Catfish | Wait, my name isn't right... |
| 19:17.19 | Catface | Better |
| 19:17.25 | Irskaad | Oh, hi! |
| 19:17.32 | Catface | Hi |
| 19:17.43 | OluapPlayer | ~poke Wormy |
| 19:17.43 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Wormy, pokes Wormy repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:17.52 | Irskaad | ~poke poke wormy |
| 19:17.52 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind poke wormy, pokes poke wormy repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:18.36 | Catface | I just made myself sad :( |
| 19:18.46 | Irskaad | Why? |
| 19:19.22 | Catface | Dee Snider is going to be dead before I can go to one of his concerts :( |
| 19:20.03 | Irskaad | Just listen to Lady Gaga, she's alive. XD |
| 19:21.22 | Catface | ಠ_ಠ|
| 19:22.05 | Um2k9 | http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500720863921 - Comment on my battlestar! |
| 19:22.29 | Catface | Yes mother. |
| 19:22.33 | Catface | j/k |
| 19:22.57 | Um2k9 | Oh no you didn't! |
| 19:23.07 | Um2k9 | snaps fingers. |
| 19:24.08 | Catface | This kid makes me cry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCMSydlCNhA& |
| 19:24.44 | Irskaad | Nice ship. |
| 19:24.47 | Dino_ | ??? |
| 19:25.48 | Catface | Wait, theTwelve Colonies are breaking away from the URC? |
| 19:25.50 | Dino_ | nice ship um, looks great |
| 19:26.47 | Um2k9 | @Catface - No, the Twelve Colonies are a member state in the URC. |
| 19:26.57 | Um2k9 | They have their own naval forces. |
| 19:27.52 | Wormy | @Dino: Perhaps it could, the idea is that the Rambulans might be "mind wiped" |
| 19:28.00 | Wormy | and of course killed |
| 19:28.10 | Catface | So like their own militia? |
| 19:28.56 | Um2k9 | Not really. The URC is now more like a centralized UN, each member state has its own leaders and fleets. |
| 19:29.43 | Um2k9 | @Dino: Do you want to add the Yudimaran to the Confederacy page? |
| 19:29.50 | Dino_ | @Worm: Indeed, that somehow they destroy themselves due to the Technosphere |
| 19:31.07 | Dino_ | @ Um, sure, though I will probably due that in the weekend if that is ok, and when the attack on the station will be on, I am not sure, but hopefully soon :D |
| 19:31.11 | Catface | So Apollo is more or less just a symbolic leader? |
| 19:32.13 | Um2k9 | @Dino - Sure, thats fine! |
| 19:32.31 | Um2k9 | @Catface - Of course not. The URC is a federal republic. |
| 19:32.56 | Um2k9 | Each member state has its own leaders and laws, but the president has the supreme power as well as the senate. |
| 19:33.27 | Catface | Oh, kinda like the US then? |
| 19:34.51 | Um2k9 | Exactly. |
| 19:35.02 | Um2k9 | But more like the Galactic Republic. |
| 19:35.24 | OluapPlayer | Wormy: You there? |
| 19:35.58 | Wormy | indeed |
| 19:36.00 | Catface | Let me rephrase what I was trying to say though: Apollo and the senate are in charge of the URCs intergalactic relations and it is up the member states leaders to make up civil laws and such. |
| 19:37.41 | Um2k9 | Well, I suppose. The member states can only really make their own laws, however it is the senate that ratifies them. |
| 19:41.40 | Catface | What if it is a law where all music is banned and any music is punished by a night in jil? |
| 19:41.43 | Catface | *jail |
| 19:42.31 | Um2k9 | The senate wouldn't ratify that law. |
| 19:42.56 | Irskaad | What if it's a law that bans all religion, like the Tahars have? |
| 19:43.00 | Catface | But what if most of the colony supported the law? |
| 19:43.20 | Um2k9 | But they wouldn't... |
| 19:43.39 | Um2k9 | @Irskaad: They wouldn't ratify that law either. |
| 19:44.17 | Irskaad | What do URC citizens think of this Taharian Law? |
| 19:44.51 | Um2k9 | They believe that any citizen should be able to peacefully practise their religion. |
| 19:45.11 | Irskaad | Well Tahars think Religion is a primitive disease. |
| 19:45.29 | Wormy | Hmm, facists? |
| 19:45.43 | Irskaad | Nah, they're not fascists. |
| 19:45.53 | Wormy | yes they must be |
| 19:45.59 | Irskaad | Why? |
| 19:46.08 | Wormy | In fact, they are rather the paradox |
| 19:46.22 | Irskaad | I don't get it. |
| 19:46.34 | Wormy | They are against "belief", yet, they strongly believe in science |
| 19:46.42 | Wormy | No one should believe in scince |
| 19:46.43 | Ghelae | The Tahar think that religion is a primitive disease, even in a universe where immortal demons Scourge the universe on a regular basis, and tangible supernatural powers can be demonstrated by about half of the people in the First Gigaquadrant? |
| 19:46.48 | Wormy | It is everchanging |
| 19:47.06 | Irskaad | Tahars would rather stay neutral. |
| 19:47.18 | OluapPlayer | Wormy: Heeeeeeeeeey |
| 19:47.19 | Irskaad | That's why Religion is still banned there. |
| 19:47.21 | Wormy | And many facist societies are anti-religion |
| 19:47.33 | OluapPlayer | I'm trying to talk to you since some time already |
| 19:47.37 | Wormy | Yo |
| 19:47.41 | Irskaad | Well, Tahars are not fascists, they have elections. |
| 19:47.43 | OluapPlayer | Can I make a new galaxy? |
| 19:47.49 | Wormy | Of course |
| 19:48.08 | OluapPlayer | Alright |
| 19:48.16 | Ghelae | They're not necessarily fascist, but banning religious belief is pretty totalitarian. |
| 19:48.23 | Wormy | @Irsk: Yet, they take a facistic perspective on what who believes in what |
| 19:48.36 | Catface | The ULE is anti religion but that is because the main religion of olden times, Togism was a scary cannibalism cult that had young children cut open while the high priest drank the blood as it dripped from its cuts. |
| 19:48.40 | Wormy | They are morte of a dictatorship |
| 19:49.06 | Irskaad | Horkarew won't rule more than 7 years. |
| 19:49.21 | Wormy | The DCP are mainly athiest, as I said earlier, but believed they can use religion |
| 19:49.33 | Irskaad | The FKA is a dictatorship, however, |
| 19:49.54 | Wormy | Their Spode warriors can fight to the death for example, despite great injurty |
| 19:50.31 | Wormy | @Irs: They may have an elected government, but the fact they enforce these policies is a form of dictatorship on the society |
| 19:51.06 | Ghelae | How did the Tahar ban religion? If there were many religious people, then why wasn't there a mass uprising, or was there one that was crushed by the Taharian government? Or if religion is an alien concept to them (or they were all athiesit for some other reason), why do they need a law banning it? |
| 19:51.49 | Irskaad | It was banned at the time 90% of Tahars became atheist. Riots appeared from the Minorities, but they were arrested. |
| 19:52.19 | Catface | The ULE are still fighting Togist cults after 3,401 years. |
| 19:52.25 | Ghelae | And the majority of the atheists were antitheist; they also agreed that freedom of religion should be banned? |
| 19:53.00 | Irskaad | Yep. Tahars think Religion is a disease, as I said. |
| 19:53.18 | Ghelae | Hmm. Okay. |
| 19:53.19 | Irskaad | They're alien. =P |
| 19:53.39 | Ghelae | You don't really need to say that. They had religion, after all. |
| 19:53.50 | Irskaad | Indeed. |
| 19:54.05 | Ghelae | Basically, what would have happened is that there was a cultural change in which antitheism became the norm in their society. |
| 19:54.12 | Irskaad | Yep. |
| 19:54.40 | Wormy | At that stage, they would have been totalitarian |
| 19:55.05 | Wormy | But now they may just see anti-theism as the norm |
| 19:55.11 | Wormy | However |
| 19:55.11 | Irskaad | Yep. |
| 19:55.27 | Wormy | Without changes in belief, how could they exapand? |
| 19:55.32 | Wormy | to new ideaS? |
| 19:55.45 | Irskaad | They studied science, duh. |
| 19:55.53 | Wormy | ... |
| 19:55.57 | Catface | The ULE still keep some of the philosophies some of the more minor religion (But the religion itself is banned, or more or less forced into hiding) |
| 19:55.59 | Wormy | Science is everchanging |
| 19:56.03 | Ghelae | The cultural change would have been relatively recent. |
| 19:56.36 | Irskaad | Why so recent, it was at the time they began their space age. |
| 19:56.36 | Wormy | Yet they bekieve in science? Not very scientific of them, in fact, that is faith |
| 19:56.49 | Ghelae | That counts as "recent" enough. |
| 19:56.54 | Wormy | Therefore, the Tahar will have faith in something |
| 19:57.17 | Wormy | And thewy believe in anti-theism. That isn't neutrality |
| 19:57.19 | Irskaad | Yes, faith in "something modern and that's not a disease". |
| 19:57.41 | Wormy | Faith can come in many forms, religion is one of them |
| 19:57.44 | Ghelae | They may think that they're unbiased and neutral, but that doesn't mean that they are. |
| 19:57.53 | Wormy | indeed |
| 19:58.41 | Ghelae | But since everybody in their society views religion as a disease, their ideas that this is the truth and that it is a neutral perspective to take are constantly reaffirmed. |
| 19:59.13 | Wormy | In fact, the people in totalitarian socteties will often not question their beliefs. In Germany for instance, when facism was on the rise, people "oh, it won't amount anywhere", etc, until it was too late |
| 19:59.14 | Irskaad | Your point being? =P |
| 19:59.47 | Ghelae | As long as the Tahar's neutrality is only something claimed by them in-universe, then I don't see the problem in their actual lack of neutrality. |
| 20:00.15 | Wormy | I fear the same maybe for the UK's survellience society. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" |
| 20:00.48 | Wormy | Which is a load of bull. Because peoples information has been messed with, lossed and corrupted accidently |
| 20:00.51 | Irskaad | Are they still True Neutral then? |
| 20:01.18 | Wormy | And privacy is a civil liberty |
| 20:02.29 | Ghelae | I'm not sure where the Tahar would really go in the D&D alignment chart, which is partly because the alignment chart isn't actually very realistic. |
| 20:03.00 | Wormy | Its good for Dungeons and Dragons only |
| 20:04.30 | OluapPlayer | I decided to move the Junction to the 1rst Gigaquad, but it's still pretty far away from the rest |
| 20:05.42 | Catface | Um, why arnt the ULE on the CAS's allied section? |
| 20:17.50 | *** join/#sporewiki Xho (5acc511d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.204.81.29) |
| 20:18.26 | OluapPlayer | Hi Xho |
| 20:19.24 | Wormy | Why hello thare |
| 20:19.35 | Wormy | That is not a typo |
| 20:20.02 | Xho | Sure it isn't |
| 20:20.59 | Wormy | Thar as there with an accent |
| 20:21.07 | Catface | Hellp |
| 20:21.09 | Wormy | meh it was silly |
| 20:21.12 | Catface | *hello |
| 20:21.40 | Um2k9 | Transmission sent Oluap. |
| 20:21.45 | Um2k9 | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction_talk:The_Junction |
| 20:22.33 | Irskaad | Oluap: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Eurovision_Overworld.png |
| 20:22.37 | OluapPlayer | *old man voice * About time! |
| 20:22.42 | Xho | I'm still confused as to how URC is Type IV |
| 20:22.52 | OluapPlayer | Irskaad: wat |
| 20:22.52 | Um2k9 | Clarify? |
| 20:22.58 | Xho | On your page |
| 20:23.04 | Xho | It says the URC are Type IV |
| 20:23.05 | Irskaad | Oluap: XD Did you like it? |
| 20:23.08 | Xho | I'm confused as to how |
| 20:23.14 | Wormy | I don't think they are |
| 20:23.22 | OluapPlayer | Irskaad: I don't know what is that supposed to be |
| 20:23.31 | Um2k9 | In that case! |
| 20:23.42 | Wormy | They would need to have dark energy and control over an entire galactic cluster |
| 20:23.43 | Xho | As the most powerful thing i've seen from the URC is a hyper-ship |
| 20:23.49 | Wormy | The DCP I move to III |
| 20:23.57 | Irskaad | Oluap: I am a massive fan of your fiction and the Eurovision song contest, so I merged them both into a single picture! |
| 20:24.08 | Wormy | Despite the DCP's tech, they are still III |
| 20:24.09 | OluapPlayer | lol |
| 20:24.11 | Irskaad | PS: Dinner, see you soon. |
| 20:24.18 | Wormy | Most sci-f civs are I |
| 20:24.25 | Wormy | *SporeWiki ones too |
| 20:24.34 | OluapPlayer | If you try to do a song contest on the Overworld, everyone will just get killed by Shu'ulathoi |
| 20:24.52 | Wormy | Users think that being intersyellar means you are Type II |
| 20:25.14 | Xho | Don't know why |
| 20:25.20 | Xho | Type II is fairly impressive in itself |
| 20:25.40 | Um2k9 | I have changed it. However, I am confused as to what the ''Homesystem value'' means. |
| 20:25.41 | Wormy | indeed |
| 20:25.52 | Wormy | So am I |
| 20:26.08 | Wormy | But Techno seems to want it |
| 20:26.12 | Um2k9 | It doesn't make sense. |
| 20:26.39 | Wormy | I don't think it works |
| 20:26.51 | Xho | Type II has Dyson Spheres |
| 20:26.51 | Catface | I value my homesystem very much, thank you. |
| 20:27.09 | Xho | Type IV is basically Xeelee like |
| 20:27.23 | Wormy | @Xho:Well, Type II.5 civs have things like the DCP's grid. The DCP is Type II because of its size |
| 20:27.36 | Wormy | *III |
| 20:27.56 | Xho | Well true |
| 20:27.59 | Xho | Wait hold on |
| 20:28.01 | Xho | Type IV |
| 20:28.07 | Wormy | Type V - wavefunction? |
| 20:28.11 | Xho | Yeah |
| 20:28.13 | Xho | I think |
| 20:28.16 | Xho | Type IV |
| 20:28.30 | Xho | Consumes energy of a Supercluster |
| 20:28.40 | Xho | Something's telling me people are overrating themselves |
| 20:28.49 | Wormy | Or a universe (if its dark energy) |
| 20:29.08 | Xho | Xhodocto = Create Universe, suck it dry |
| 20:29.14 | Wormy | I think they simply misunderstood it and underestimated the scale |
| 20:29.26 | OluapPlayer | Type Xho |
| 20:29.32 | OluapPlayer | No one can beat that |
| 20:29.32 | Xho | Hmmm |
| 20:29.36 | Xho | Nope |
| 20:29.49 | Wormy | I imagine the Xhodocto could probably tap energy from the Continuun, cenoverse or whatever, the energy that creates universes |
| 20:30.03 | Wormy | *xenoverse |
| 20:30.07 | Catface | Type III is too high for the ULE? :( |
| 20:30.09 | Xho | Well yes, they're Xhodocto |
| 20:30.10 | Wormy | *continuum |
| 20:30.13 | Wormy | Yes |
| 20:30.18 | Xho | THEY DO EVERYTIIIING |
| 20:30.31 | Wormy | Unless they consume stars on a mass scale, they arelikely to be I |
| 20:30.41 | Xho | Hmmm |
| 20:30.43 | Xho | Rambo Nation |
| 20:30.46 | Xho | Type III |
| 20:30.48 | Xho | ? |
| 20:30.49 | Wormy | Wha a boring existence it must be to be a xhodocto then |
| 20:30.59 | Wormy | Rambo - Type I |
| 20:31.07 | Xho | Well yes, an eternity of hatin' and trollin' |
| 20:31.23 | Wormy | URC - II (Um does have dyson bubbles and stuff for the URC) |
| 20:32.08 | Xho | I love this |
| 20:32.12 | Xho | Eola'Nar |
| 20:32.13 | Xho | Type V |
| 20:32.27 | Xho | I'm not sure whether Imperios knows what Type V is |
| 20:32.39 | Um2k9 | I thought the URC was Type III? |
| 20:32.53 | Xho | Well, what do they have? |
| 20:32.57 | Catface | Wait, Type I? |
| 20:33.01 | Wormy | Look, this race from Stephen Haking's aliens show are Type II barely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0PVkGj4bg |
| 20:33.24 | Xho | And they're still quite beastly |
| 20:33.36 | Wormy | @Cat: Are stars their main powersource? Do they have stellar lifting and husbandry techniques, stellar engines and whatnot? |
| 20:33.42 | Wormy | Same for Um |
| 20:34.07 | Wormy | I don't see Grids, wormholes and Dyson bubbles in the majority of the URC';s systems |
| 20:34.09 | Um2k9 | They have intergalactic travel, they use the super massive black hole at the centre of Cyrannus as a power source, and Hypermatter, they also use nanotechnology when they were building Orbispira and Cyroenia. |
| 20:34.23 | Wormy | While "The Civilization" and the DCP depend on them |
| 20:34.34 | Um2k9 | Neither do the Galactic Empire or the CIS, and yet they are Type III? |
| 20:34.42 | Wormy | I think one or two examples isn't enougfh |
| 20:35.00 | Wormy | The GE would be similar to the URC |
| 20:35.16 | Wormy | Kardashev scale is a rating of energy consumption only |
| 20:35.28 | Wormy | Its not a power scale like the Tier |
| 20:35.45 | Um2k9 | The CIS and the GE use hypermatter as far as I am aware. |
| 20:35.57 | Wormy | The Asssimov's Tier s/2 Empire are very powerful, but at most, Type ! on the Kardashev |
| 20:35.59 | Um2k9 | Well they do use it for fuel. |
| 20:36.03 | Catface | They use their galaxies supermassive black hole and just about andthing else they can use. |
| 20:36.11 | Catface | The ULE |
| 20:36.15 | Catface | that is. |
| 20:36.15 | Xho | Type ! XD |
| 20:36.55 | OluapPlayer | lol Type ! |
| 20:37.17 | Um2k9 | Also, ''The Republic was said to belong to a "Type 3" civilization (in the Kardashev scaleâwhereas Earth is home to a "type 0.7" civilization). This scale takes into account the level of integration and civilization between peoples (albeit this integration also involves different species, rather than just racial variations of only one sentient species, as it is on a sole planet), which in essence form one single "galactic civiliza |
| 20:37.22 | Um2k9 | ''few separatisms) and the integration of the worlds in spite of the considerable distances (with effective means of transportation).'' |
| 20:37.35 | Wormy | This might help http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4be587099881e |
| 20:37.59 | Um2k9 | That is basically the same as the URC. |
| 20:38.57 | Wormy | I don't think their scale of Grids and the like is like the DCP's though, in extension |
| 20:39.29 | Irskaad | Um2k9, Wormy, have you seen my new funny pic? |
| 20:39.49 | Um2k9 | Of course not, but surely there is huge differences between the top of the Type and the bottom. |
| 20:39.53 | Wormy | Is every system almost powered by Type II power sources? |
| 20:39.59 | Wormy | Of course |
| 20:41.02 | Um2k9 | In the URC? |
| 20:41.06 | Wormy | I think they are close |
| 20:41.12 | Catface | I guess I should move the ULE to type 1. |
| 20:41.42 | Wormy | I mean, the DCP has barely any need for planets anymore |
| 20:42.04 | Um2k9 | Then why aren't they Type IV? |
| 20:42.10 | Wormy | with matter-energy conversion, neutronium mining |
| 20:42.29 | Wormy | They use stars |
| 20:42.31 | Xho | Uh oh |
| 20:42.33 | Xho | Vandal |
| 20:42.37 | Xho | Alert |
| 20:42.38 | Wormy | to a galactic scale |
| 20:42.43 | Wormy | Let me see |
| 20:42.46 | OluapPlayer | Wha |
| 20:42.49 | OluapPlayer | Vandal? |
| 20:42.52 | OluapPlayer | BanBanBanBanBanBanBanBan |
| 20:42.56 | Xho | Wait wait |
| 20:43.03 | Xho | http://spore.wikia.com/index.php?title=Space_Stage&action=rollback&from=68.112.49.242&token=6b116f624b495ac47b1cee6dda9b6cc1%2B\ |
| 20:43.13 | Xho | Whoops |
| 20:43.17 | Xho | Link fail |
| 20:43.42 | Wormy | 3 day block is enough |
| 20:43.49 | Wormy | done |
| 20:43.50 | OluapPlayer | Aaaa |
| 20:43.55 | OluapPlayer | Damnit Wormy |
| 20:43.58 | OluapPlayer | You ninja |
| 20:44.18 | OluapPlayer | I was gonna block him for a month :( |
| 20:44.19 | Wormy | I might fully migrate the DCP population to space |
| 20:44.40 | Wormy | No need, if he comes back, then block him for longer |
| 20:44.41 | Xho | SpaceNomadsSpaceNomadsSpaceNomads |
| 20:45.13 | Catface | I lowered the ULE to type I. I hope it is better now. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Lanat_Empire |
| 20:45.42 | Xho | 14 trillion population |
| 20:45.47 | Xho | Damn those males are player |
| 20:45.50 | Xho | *players |
| 20:45.53 | OluapPlayer | lolol |
| 20:46.07 | Catface | Those are counting member races, too. |
| 20:46.12 | Xho | Ah |
| 20:46.56 | Catface | Most of them already had good sized tier 4 empires (And some tier 3). |
| 20:48.26 | Xho | Mmhm |
| 20:49.10 | Xho | I KNOW HOW TO RUIN AVEXIA |
| 20:49.37 | Xho | Blow up a planet in front of her |
| 20:49.39 | OluapPlayer | Shoot her head? |
| 20:49.50 | Xho | Well physically not mentally |
| 20:49.57 | *** join/#sporewiki Wormy (55d358bb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.88.187) |
| 20:49.57 | Xho | .... |
| 20:50.02 | Xho | Mentally not physically |
| 20:50.08 | OluapPlayer | Boo |
| 20:50.18 | Wormy | I think we need Michio Kaku to help us on the kardashev scale |
| 20:50.32 | Wormy | This might help http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit |
| 20:51.03 | Catface | The ULE are going to declare war on http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500720463875 |
| 20:51.37 | Xho | Type IV = Let's consume 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 W of Energy |
| 20:52.05 | OluapPlayer | Energy bill is gonna be high this month |
| 20:52.25 | Catface | "Borderline Type III: power use roughly equivalent to a galaxy's radiant output. 1 E 36 W " That is about the ULE level but meh. |
| 20:52.48 | Wormy | @Um2k9-Away:I think the URC are borderline III, according to this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbusingTheKardashevScaleForFunAndProfit |
| 20:53.09 | Irskaad | How can I tell how much energy my empires use? |
| 20:53.13 | Wormy | They might have colonized a galaxy, but there is no details on how they harness it all |
| 20:53.22 | Wormy | Probably 0 to 1 |
| 20:54.01 | OluapPlayer | Earth is 0.72? Isn't that too high? |
| 20:55.04 | Wormy | "â¢The Xeelee from the novels of Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence have absolute mastery over the entirety of all baryonic matter in universe. Entire galactic clusters are just bricks to these guys. Future humans make it to Type III and try to attack them by shooting a whole neutron star at near light speed at them like a bullet, and they all but ignore it as insignificant. In the same universe are the Photino Birds, creatures of da |
| 20:55.28 | Irskaad | How can I tell how much energy my empires use? |
| 20:55.35 | Wormy | and lose , because the photino birds have absolute mastery over all the dark matter in the universe, and dark matter outmasses baryonic matter by about 9 to 1. " |
| 20:55.57 | Xho | Easy |
| 20:56.02 | Xho | You determine it yourself |
| 20:56.22 | OluapPlayer | Do I need to change the Junction's scale then? |
| 20:56.47 | Irskaad | Let's just say each planet of my empires consumes 1.3x as much as the whole planet earth consumes today. |
| 20:57.14 | Irskaad | If that's wrong, correct me. |
| 21:02.05 | Irskaad | So wormy, if a planet in the Kraw Empire consumes 1.3x as much as the whole planet earth consumes today, what Type are the Kraw Empire? |
| 21:02.25 | Wormy | 1 i would imagine. |
| 21:02.42 | Irskaad | Explain further. =) |
| 21:03.14 | Xho | 1.3x as much as Earth |
| 21:03.18 | Xho | Well in about 200 years |
| 21:03.25 | Xho | Earth might consume that much |
| 21:03.48 | Xho | That is if we find an alternative |
| 21:04.06 | Xho | There's a chance there will be a decrease in nearly everything by 2100 |
| 21:04.18 | Xho | From energy consumption to population |
| 21:04.50 | Xho | But anyway |
| 21:05.02 | Xho | 1.3x is very similar to Earth in about 100 years or more |
| 21:05.50 | Xho | Answered the question? |
| 21:06.53 | Catface | Xho, do you think the ULE can win a war against these thingamajigs? http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500720463875 |
| 21:07.20 | Xho | Yep |
| 21:08.09 | Catface | They are going to fight them (And about 16 other races) during the great uprising. |
| 21:08.59 | Xho | I wish I could start off a war |
| 21:09.01 | Xho | Problem is |
| 21:09.13 | Xho | Everything's going too fast |
| 21:09.49 | OluapPlayer | A war where the Xhod troll everyone I presume |
| 21:10.24 | Catface | This is what I based the Tralor fighting the Eoava on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-wWH0NZ1g |
| 21:11.12 | Xho | Well |
| 21:11.14 | Xho | Not really |
| 21:11.20 | Catface | But with more blood and cruelty on the ULEs part. |
| 21:11.23 | Xho | Wait |
| 21:11.26 | Xho | What am I saying |
| 21:11.28 | Xho | Of course |
| 21:11.34 | OluapPlayer | brb |
| 21:11.41 | Xho | Good old Gruntpocalypse |
| 21:11.53 | Xho | If you can't get a 120 killstreak on it |
| 21:11.56 | Xho | I'll be surprised |
| 21:12.24 | Catface | I play it by myself for teh lulz. |
| 21:12.38 | Xho | That guy isn't great if you ask me |
| 21:12.41 | Xho | Then mind you |
| 21:12.44 | Xho | He's playing Overlook |
| 21:12.52 | Xho | And that map is awful |
| 21:13.13 | Xho | That guy....can't shoot a Grunt in the head |
| 21:13.15 | Xho | What is he |
| 21:13.31 | Catface | Or I use too until my sister messed up my Xbox >:( |
| 21:14.16 | Xho | Grrr |
| 21:14.22 | Xho | But still |
| 21:14.29 | Xho | That guy couldn't play to save his life |
| 21:14.44 | Xho | If you can't shoot a motionless Grunt from 30ft |
| 21:15.00 | Xho | You are awful |
| 21:15.29 | Catface | cries |
| 21:16.20 | Xho | If you can shoot a Grunt from 450ft away and running |
| 21:16.26 | Xho | Then that's something to watch |
| 21:16.52 | Catface | But yeah, I would under stand if it was if he missed a few times but that guy missed quite a few times. |
| 21:17.08 | Xho | Mmhm |
| 21:17.22 | Xho | And if you can shoot a Spartan from 2000ft away with a Sniper Rifle |
| 21:17.28 | Xho | In the head |
| 21:17.31 | Xho | That's impressive |
| 21:17.56 | Xho | Or kill him with a tank from 2000ft while he's on the tip of a tower |
| 21:18.13 | Xho | That's quite unbelievable |
| 21:18.24 | Xho | And just to let you know |
| 21:18.33 | Xho | My friend has done all of this |
| 21:18.35 | Xho | On me |
| 21:18.58 | Catface | My friend canlt shoot an elite in the head within 20 feet. He sucks to say the least but his commentary is quite funny.. |
| 21:22.15 | Xho | Hmmm |
| 21:22.16 | Xho | Fail |
| 21:24.27 | Catface | But like I said he is funny as hell. He reminds me of dshban. |
| 21:24.37 | Xho | Heh |
| 21:25.26 | Catface | "My LP of Civilisation (with an s, not az, you silly yanks) for Deceased Crab's thread. I'll give you a hint - it goes very well."- dshban. |
| 21:29.18 | OluapPlayer | backbackback |
| 21:29.28 | Catface | "Giraffes are not British, for those of you who are wondering. I mean, speaking at all for a giraffe is rather weird, but in a British accent? Preposterous, I say! Yes, rather." -dshban |
| 21:29.35 | Catface | Welcome back |
| 21:32.05 | Xho | Xho's Law |
| 21:32.32 | Xho | "Once a conversation starts on the wiki, the chance of it mentioning the Xhodocto get closer to 1." |
| 21:33.22 | OluapPlayer | That's what you get for having a famous fiction |
| 21:33.25 | Xho | Yay |
| 21:33.28 | Xho | Well |
| 21:33.30 | Xho | Got to go peepz |
| 21:33.36 | Irskaad | Bye. |
| 21:34.41 | Catface | Bye dark lord...I wiss you all ready. |
| 21:35.02 | Catface | cries |
| 21:35.11 | Catface | *Miss |
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