| 00:16.31 | cybane | Hey CoreDump|afk you over here? |
| 00:26.41 | CoreDump|afk | not for much longer |
| 00:29.53 | cybane | bitbake is what is used to make a package for openzaurus correct? |
| 00:30.02 | NAbyss_ | Yep |
| 00:30.25 | cybane | Is there any documentation on the process to compile software and form it into a pkg for openzaurus? |
| 00:30.40 | NAbyss_ | ~GettingStarted |
| 00:30.41 | ibot | hmm... gettingstarted is http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 00:30.55 | NAbyss_ | Take a squiz at that link to get the build system established |
| 00:32.22 | cybane | alright |
| 00:32.57 | cybane | I have tried working with angstrom and it just doesn't work as well as openzaurus for my 5500 so I have decided to learn on OpenZaurus then move to Angstrom when I know enough |
| 00:32.58 | NAbyss_ | Once it's setup, it's as easy as 'bitbake gnumeric' etc. |
| 01:06.32 | cybane | NAbyss_: I am following the directions on the getting started site and when I issue this cmd mtn --db=/stuff/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev |
| 01:07.12 | cybane | I get the error mtn:error while loading shared libraries: libboost_regex.so.133.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 01:07.30 | cybane | My system has boost 1.34 is this causing the issue? |
| 01:07.41 | NAbyss_ | cybane: My guess would be yes |
| 01:07.59 | NAbyss_ | Just ${DISTRO_INSTALL_COMMAND} monotone.. it should handle the deps |
| 01:08.01 | cybane | Great so I need boost 1.33 |
| 01:11.18 | cybane | NAbyss_: done now it is telling me to run a mtn db migrate |
| 01:12.36 | NAbyss_ | Yep, that'll update the DB schema |
| 01:14.07 | cybane | when I issue the mtn db migrate OE.mtn I receieve usage information like the command is saying HEY USE ME RIGHT! |
| 01:19.52 | NAbyss_ | cybane: Yep |
| 01:19.54 | NAbyss_ | --db OE.mtn |
| 01:20.16 | cybane | thanks |
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| 14:21.07 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:36.37 | YoG | hi, can anybody help me setup xqt? |
| 15:43.33 | YoG | hi lardman |
| 15:44.33 | lardman | hi YoG |
| 15:44.45 | lardman | It's been a long time I'm afraid. |
| 15:44.48 | lardman | What's the problem? |
| 15:44.54 | YoG | yes I know |
| 15:45.09 | YoG | but I hoped you may be able to give me some advice |
| 15:45.18 | YoG | the problem is as follows: |
| 15:45.44 | lardman | I'll try |
| 15:45.45 | YoG | I installed Xqt2 from the feed (or Xqt the problem was with both of them) |
| 15:46.05 | YoG | when I start Xqt |
| 15:46.35 | YoG | I get gray screen of the xserver, but it is rotated |
| 15:46.48 | YoG | and is not refreshed |
| 15:46.55 | YoG | btw, I'm on c860 |
| 15:47.19 | YoG | the best that i managed to do is: |
| 15:47.23 | lardman | the rotation is set in the script that starts the xserver (and should start the wm too) |
| 15:47.31 | YoG | no wm |
| 15:47.36 | YoG | just the xserver |
| 15:47.55 | lardman | I can't remember the name off the top of my head |
| 15:48.03 | YoG | name of what? |
| 15:48.04 | lardman | can you look in the .desktop file to see what it runs? |
| 15:48.10 | lardman | of the script |
| 15:48.18 | YoG | I started it from command line |
| 15:48.23 | lardman | this should also all be on oesf iirc |
| 15:48.28 | lardman | what was the command? |
| 15:48.41 | YoG | I looked it up, i found the problem but not a solution |
| 15:48.56 | YoG | the command? |
| 15:48.59 | YoG | Xqt? |
| 15:49.19 | lardman | Ah, I think you need to start from a script |
| 15:49.31 | lardman | the script starts the xserver, and then starts the wm |
| 15:50.12 | YoG | I don't have a wm installed - that's not the problem (me thinks) |
| 15:50.31 | lardman | try XQt --help |
| 15:50.43 | YoG | tried that |
| 15:50.44 | lardman | see what arguments it takes, one of them is the screen rotation & size |
| 15:51.10 | YoG | if i change QWS_ROTATION |
| 15:51.18 | YoG | sorry |
| 15:51.21 | YoG | QWS_DISPLAY |
| 15:51.32 | YoG | to "Transformed:Rot0:0" |
| 15:51.38 | YoG | then the rotation seems ok |
| 15:51.52 | YoG | but the screen does not get refreshed |
| 15:52.00 | lardman | That gets Opie to do the rotation doesn't it? |
| 15:52.12 | YoG | no |
| 15:52.16 | YoG | :-| |
| 15:52.45 | YoG | `export QWS_DISPLAY="Transform:Rot0:0" ` does not cause opie to rotate |
| 15:52.57 | YoG | at least not in my case. |
| 15:53.48 | YoG | btw, the desktop icon directly `Xqt` |
| 15:54.14 | lardman | hmm |
| 15:54.20 | lardman | you've looked at the docs? |
| 15:54.41 | YoG | docs? tried to find them... :-( |
| 15:54.52 | lardman | http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/docs/refman-en/ |
| 15:54.59 | lardman | you need to translate though |
| 15:55.06 | lardman | babelfish, etc. |
| 15:55.42 | lardman | did Xqt --help do anything? From the docs looks like it wants only one dash |
| 15:57.00 | YoG | I can pass a "display-class" maybe this is what I'm looking for? |
| 15:57.14 | lardman | hmm, the icon you should use to start it is the one named "Start X" |
| 15:57.18 | lardman | no idea, perhaps |
| 15:57.42 | lardman | try to find the script that is usually linked to that Start X command |
| 15:58.36 | lardman | in Xqt-startup-scripts I'd bet |
| 15:58.59 | YoG | I don't have such a thing |
| 15:59.49 | lardman | the whole system needs more than just the xqt binary install, it needs fonts, a wm and some startup scripts, these are listed in http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/docs/install-en/ |
| 16:00.57 | YoG | yes, I know, but the X server itself does not start properly... |
| 16:01.12 | lardman | because you need the scripts to tell it how to start |
| 16:01.22 | YoG | ah |
| 16:02.10 | YoG | you are probably right... |
| 16:02.18 | YoG | didn't think about it |
| 16:02.31 | lardman | np |
| 16:02.40 | lardman | hope you get it working okay |
| 16:03.11 | YoG | if I will - I would gladly write a howto |
| 16:04.14 | lardman | sounds like a good plan |
| 16:22.09 | cybane | Does Konqueror not run if there is not a network connection |
| 16:32.20 | YoG | cybane: Konquror can run even if there is no network connection |
| 16:32.25 | YoG | cybane: afaik |
| 16:35.56 | cybane | It did after I reran ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages |
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| 16:57.34 | cybane | This is awesome my GF just asked me wth can't my Zaurus do |
| 17:05.25 | summatusmentis | this is when you say something along the line of "it can't love me like you do" :-P |
| 17:05.41 | summatusmentis | then she goes "awwww" |
| 17:06.13 | cybane | No I said it can't make a cellphone call |
| 17:06.20 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 17:06.31 | cybane | I wish Skype had a linux client |
| 17:06.37 | summatusmentis | but see, w/ the right card(gprs/gsm cf card) it can make a phone call |
| 17:06.50 | summatusmentis | Skype does have a linux client, but not for the arm architecture |
| 17:06.53 | cybane | Yeah but I do not want a cellphone |
| 17:07.16 | summatusmentis | I've heard of people using their Z for voip |
| 17:07.20 | summatusmentis | but I don't know much about it |
| 17:32.22 | cybane | I am so fricken cheap |
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| 18:31.59 | go1dfish | cybane: what kind of zaurus you have and what are you running on it? |
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| 18:40.42 | cybane | 5500 |
| 18:40.50 | cybane | Right now I have a lot of software on it |
| 18:45.56 | go1dfish | cool |
| 18:45.59 | go1dfish | I have a 5500 |
| 18:46.08 | go1dfish | but mine is getting pretty worse for wear though |
| 18:46.24 | go1dfish | you using the stock battery? |
| 18:47.49 | go1dfish | I have a 6000 as well, I've been trying to think of a good use for my 5500 |
| 18:48.16 | go1dfish | I need to take apart the keyboard slider and give the contacts a good cleaning on it |
| 18:49.27 | cybane | The battery I have is a 1100mAh |
| 18:50.05 | cybane | I use it as an MP3 player, eBook Reader, SIP Phone, Web browser, IRC Client, platform for Aircrack |
| 18:51.10 | go1dfish | I don't have my z handy, can't remember what the stock battery power wa |
| 18:51.11 | go1dfish | was |
| 18:51.23 | go1dfish | I think it's lower than that though right? if so, where did you get the battery |
| 18:51.24 | cybane | Right now I am trying find a decent USA based SIP service |
| 18:51.35 | go1dfish | cybane: gizmoproject.com |
| 18:51.40 | cybane | It came with the device when I bought it on ebay |
| 18:52.02 | go1dfish | disclaimer: I work for mp3tunes (owned by michael robertson, he also owns a large portion of gizmo) |
| 18:52.29 | go1dfish | I haven't tried doing sip stuff with gizmo myself, but from what I've heard it works pretty well |
| 18:52.32 | cybane | gizmo does not have a client for the arm |
| 18:53.18 | cybane | Doesn't sipphone.com use gizmo? |
| 18:58.50 | go1dfish | same company |
| 18:59.03 | go1dfish | it's standard sip though, if you can find a sip client for the z it should work |
| 18:59.19 | go1dfish | I've been tempted to set it up on my 6000 |
| 18:59.40 | go1dfish | I have one of those retro handsets with the miniplug connector from thinkgeek... |
| 18:59.55 | go1dfish | I want to hook it up to my 6000 and sit it on my desk |
| 19:00.28 | cybane | get kphonepi |
| 19:04.02 | go1dfish | I'm running gpe on it right now, and honestly don't like phones much, so I'll probably never get around to setting it up |
| 19:04.26 | cybane | Well I use OpenZaurus 3.5.4 with Opie and it has a lot of nice functioning features |
| 19:04.27 | go1dfish | and I have a perfectly good treo 650, I'd love to be able to put linux on it |
| 19:04.47 | cybane | Angstrom is still in development and I plan to help bring collie along when I have the ability till then I use what works |
| 19:13.13 | go1dfish | I'll help once the wifi on my 6000 is stable under the 2.6 kernel, I don't mind my userspace crashing left and right |
| 19:16.01 | cybane | Another reason why I stayed with 2.4 it is working properly |
| 19:16.19 | cybane | I am all for new development however, having the ability to stay working is more important to me |
| 19:19.19 | cybane | go1dfish: is that sipphone legit? |
| 19:20.07 | summatusmentis | go1dfish: there's openmoko running on the treo 650... still way beta at this point, but they've gotten it working |
| 19:31.54 | cybane | I wish there was a skype client for OpenZaurus |
| 19:33.12 | Zero_Chaos | cybane: is there one for pdaXrom or anything? |
| 19:33.32 | cybane | I do not know |
| 19:37.17 | cybane | Zero_Chaos: No there is not |
| 19:37.44 | cybane | I know I can use a SIP service though |
| 20:02.44 | summatusmentis | cybane: anything that you can compile from source should work, the issue is that skype is closed source, and doesn't want to open it's code to any of these projects |
| 20:09.51 | cybane | i know |
| 20:14.22 | go1dfish | summatusmentis: link? |
| 20:14.42 | go1dfish | I've found someone ported the kernel and gpe to run on the 650 |
| 20:15.18 | go1dfish | but there is no support for the modem, and the project seems scattered |
| 20:17.04 | go1dfish | hmm I'll have to try this out: http://hackndev.com/node/706 |
| 20:20.04 | go1dfish | openmoko on a treo would be godly, I love my little 650, but palmos is quite limiting |
| 20:21.56 | cybane | I wonder how hard is it to make your own 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter |
| 20:26.16 | cybane | Why did Sharp put a 3.5mm jack with 3 rings on it? |
| 20:26.37 | Zero_Chaos | cybane: stereo out, mono in (headset) |
| 20:27.27 | cybane | However, I am having a heck of a time finding an adapter for the 2.5mm headsets |
| 20:39.12 | go1dfish | cybane: I wish my 6000 had a 3.5mm jack |
| 20:39.21 | go1dfish | I used my 5500 like a mp3 player all the time |
| 20:39.55 | go1dfish | kind of cumbersome with the 6000, it was designed to make a better voip phone |
| 20:40.11 | summatusmentis | go1dfish: I don't know if there's a set of directions for it or not, but I've seen a picture w/ openmoko on it |
| 20:41.25 | go1dfish | I read someone had some success communicating with the gsm modem on their 650 under linux, but still some issues |
| 20:41.41 | summatusmentis | go1dfish: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/07/01/openmoko-on-a-treo-650/ |
| 20:41.49 | cybane | My only question is does the Zauru's 3.5mm jack have 3 rings or 2 rings? |
| 20:42.10 | summatusmentis | it looks like the gsm modem isn't part of gsmd(that openmoko uses), but I think the person who did that is gonna get it working soon-ish |
| 20:42.19 | cybane | I have yet to find a 3.5mm plug with 3 rings on it |
| 20:42.28 | go1dfish | awesome |
| 20:42.35 | go1dfish | I have a cdma treo |
| 20:43.00 | go1dfish | but everything I've read indicates the gsm efforts would largely apply to the cdma radios as well on the 650 |
| 20:43.10 | summatusmentis | perhaps, I have no idea about cdma |
| 20:43.22 | summatusmentis | I mean, not relating to linux, cdma is the only access I have where I'm at |
| 20:43.58 | go1dfish | yeah, cdma was my only option when I got my treo, I lived in NC, in a pretty rural area at times with no gsm coverage |
| 20:44.13 | summatusmentis | same here, terrible gsm coverage |
| 20:44.21 | go1dfish | now I live in CA, but I'd still like to have access in NC, and I like my provider (Alltel) |
| 20:44.27 | summatusmentis | but I'm w/ USCC, so terrible smartphone options as well |
| 20:44.30 | go1dfish | they don't block BTDUN or anything |
| 20:45.01 | summatusmentis | apparently same w/ USCC, but my windows laptop doesn't have BT, and I haven't tried setting up DUN over USB in linux |
| 20:45.01 | go1dfish | alltel doesn't have very good smartphone options either, but I really like the treo hardware/form factor |
| 20:45.43 | go1dfish | Im looking forward to palms linux offering, but it will likely take a while before alltel offers it |
| 20:45.53 | go1dfish | and if I can avoid switching phones, so much the better |
| 20:45.53 | summatusmentis | well, only smartphones available are the blackberry's |
| 20:46.10 | go1dfish | I just ordered a low profile antenna replacement for my treo |
| 20:46.54 | go1dfish | heh |
| 20:47.22 | go1dfish | my dream phone though... |
| 20:47.29 | go1dfish | would be a Nokia e90 running linux |
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| 22:38.44 | cybane | Anyone ever experienced opie-mediaplyer not finding files when it does a scan? |
| 22:38.53 | cybane | Is there a config file I can tell it where to find the files? |
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