| 00:06.42 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: done |
| 00:06.47 | CoreDump|home | ty |
| 00:07.17 | JustinP | ty? |
| 00:07.24 | JustinP | the maker of Beanie Babies? |
| 00:09.07 | Gin-geR | huh, one can't run two terminals on the original sharp rom? |
| 00:10.03 | JustinP | not with their original terminal applet |
| 00:10.09 | Gin-geR | silly. |
| 00:10.11 | JustinP | you can download a better one which allows multiple tabs, though |
| 00:10.26 | Gin-geR | surely it's possible, I was just surprised. |
| 00:10.32 | JustinP | yeah |
| 00:11.25 | Gin-geR | so, do I take it right that sharp has full backup of their linux somewhere in rom? |
| 00:11.40 | Gin-geR | I'm still being worried about bricking the device, you'know ;) |
| 00:13.58 | JustinP | there are multiple levels of all that |
| 00:14.29 | Gin-geR | Looks like I need to explore it :) |
| 00:14.31 | JustinP | the "flashing" and "safe mode shell" are in ROM |
| 00:14.53 | Gin-geR | so that you can't possibly erase it? |
| 00:14.55 | JustinP | the device menu with NAND flash and backup is AFAIK in ROM |
| 00:15.04 | JustinP | wait, I meant the flashing and safe mode are in NAND |
| 00:15.18 | Gin-geR | so you can :) |
| 00:15.19 | JustinP | I suggest making a NAND backup |
| 00:15.36 | JustinP | yes, but you can always restore a NAND backup and be back up in a few minutes |
| 00:15.49 | JustinP | you can't really brick the newer zaurii |
| 00:15.56 | Gin-geR | Good suggestion :) I'll see the howtos on that :) |
| 00:16.08 | JustinP | it's nearly impossible to "brick" while flashing |
| 00:16.28 | JustinP | and even a NAND restore that's broken shouldn't brick it AFAIK |
| 00:16.37 | JustinP | but I don't know for sure and am not willing to test it |
| 00:16.56 | Gin-geR | I'm reading about it and I see two statements: first is that the device is bricked if you don't have proper hdd layout and it's only possible to restore it by removing hdd and the second is that there's an internal procedure that does it all. |
| 00:17.12 | Gin-geR | I wouldn't want to test it either :) |
| 00:17.36 | Gin-geR | reading /proc/cmdline of the original shar rom now :) |
| 00:17.51 | JustinP | if you screw up your prtitioning that can be fixed |
| 00:18.00 | Gin-geR | That's good. |
| 00:18.08 | JustinP | just boot into the safe mode shell, mount a CF card, and use a partitioning program |
| 00:18.20 | JustinP | (the fdisk in the safe mode shell is broken...:-( ) |
| 00:18.30 | JustinP | ~lart sharp's broken utilities |
| 00:18.34 | Gin-geR | well, basically, one can boot into safe mode shell and mount a cf. That should be enough for everything. |
| 00:18.41 | JustinP | I believe you can |
| 00:18.46 | JustinP | heh, never tried myself ;-) |
| 00:19.03 | JustinP | but the flashing has CF and Sd capabilities, so I would think the safe mode does too |
| 00:19.13 | Gin-geR | well, I can try it without bricking, actually ;) |
| 00:19.15 | JustinP | and since the safe mode has HDD access it much have CF access |
| 00:19.24 | JustinP | ^much^must |
| 00:19.35 | Gin-geR | indeed, they are coupled. |
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| 00:32.55 | JustinP | Gin-geR: how do you know this? |
| 00:33.40 | Gin-geR | JustinP: well, aren't they represented by the same module from software point of view? |
| 00:33.53 | JustinP | Gin-geR: ? |
| 00:34.16 | Gin-geR | well, I mean cf is just a card in slot 0 and hdd is slot 1, no? |
| 00:34.38 | Gin-geR | CF is hda - isn't it? |
| 00:35.37 | JustinP | oh , that's what you meant |
| 00:35.39 | JustinP | heh |
| 00:35.48 | JustinP | yes, they're just 2 slots on the same bus |
| 00:36.05 | Gin-geR | so it's quite unlikely to have only one supported. |
| 00:36.11 | JustinP | yes |
| 00:36.16 | Gin-geR | And I didn't mean coupling in any other sense ;-)) |
| 00:36.20 | JustinP | I know the safe mode has access to CF |
| 00:36.29 | JustinP | probably SD too |
| 00:36.40 | Gin-geR | Well, yes, but you said it _must_have ;-) |
| 00:37.03 | JustinP | yes, it must, as in it can't not ;-) |
| 00:37.11 | Gin-geR | I see ;-))) |
| 00:39.55 | JustinP | I thgought you were talking about the boot modes for some reason |
| 00:40.07 | Gin-geR | Ah... |
| 00:41.07 | Gin-geR | This black sticker with instruction for turning the lcd - what is there underneath? Should one remove it? (I don't think I will forget how to turn the screen) |
| 00:43.12 | JustinP | Gin-geR: I don't know...I never removed mine ;-) |
| 00:43.22 | Gin-geR | Ok, thanks ;-) |
| 00:50.57 | ashikase | there's nothing underneath the sticker |
| 00:51.34 | Gin-geR | Thank you. Looks like you removed yours? :) |
| 01:01.49 | ashikase | yes |
| 01:01.59 | ashikase | it was distracting |
| 01:02.08 | Gin-geR | So will I it seems ;) |
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| 01:08.02 | JustinP | ::shrug:: I got used to it |
| 01:08.09 | JustinP | I suppose I should remove mine as well, though |
| 01:08.14 | JustinP | looks nicer without it I'm sure |
| 01:08.58 | Gin-geR | That's what I think too |
| 01:09.30 | Gin-geR | You can keep it for reference on your desk :) |
| 01:09.32 | ashikase | it's just a sticker, I don't think removing it will hurt your Zaurus |
| 01:21.19 | Gin-geR | I'm confused by the fine web ;-) How should one make nand backup of 3100? |
| 01:23.00 | ashikase | if i remember correctly... |
| 01:23.21 | ashikase | 1) put fat16 formatted cf card into cf slot (need about 130mb free) |
| 01:23.36 | ashikase | 2) remove battery, ac |
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| 01:23.51 | ashikase | 3) hold down D and M keys |
| 01:24.02 | ashikase | 4) insert ac while holding said keys down |
| 01:24.21 | ashikase | 5) a menu will popup; look through menu for NAND backup |
| 01:24.25 | Gin-geR | no placing battery back? |
| 01:24.29 | ashikase | nope |
| 01:24.33 | Gin-geR | ok. |
| 01:24.39 | Gin-geR | will try in a few moments. |
| 01:24.48 | ashikase | if you get that far and still need help, ask again |
| 01:24.59 | Gin-geR | Ok, thanks. |
| 01:39.24 | JustinP | no....not 130MB |
| 01:39.25 | JustinP | ~16MB |
| 01:40.32 | ashikase | for a NAND on a 3100? |
| 01:40.39 | JustinP | oh wait..... |
| 01:40.39 | JustinP | borzoi...yeah, 130M |
| 01:40.40 | ashikase | mine 3000 maybe |
| 01:40.43 | ashikase | er |
| 01:40.54 | Gin-geR | well, I have half a gig ;) |
| 01:40.55 | ashikase | s/mine// |
| 01:42.03 | Gin-geR | backing up |
| 01:42.08 | JustinP | once you're in the menu, page down, choose NAND, then choose backup |
| 01:42.12 | JustinP | ah ;-) |
| 01:42.34 | Gin-geR | no, page down -> backup/restore menu -> flash backup (or something like that) |
| 01:42.52 | Gin-geR | file: systc310.dbk |
| 01:43.19 | Gin-geR | how long does flashing take? |
| 01:45.07 | Gin-geR | And after it says 'ok', what am I supposed to do? turn it off? |
| 01:45.31 | JustinP | yes, pull battery |
| 01:45.40 | JustinP | "flashing"? |
| 01:45.42 | JustinP | it's very fast |
| 01:45.43 | Gin-geR | which isn't even there. |
| 01:46.02 | JustinP | hmm...you have to have power to run the device |
| 01:46.09 | JustinP | ah... |
| 01:46.10 | Gin-geR | yeah, ac cable |
| 01:46.13 | JustinP | ashikase: said to use AC |
| 01:46.23 | Gin-geR | flashing - as in putting the new rom. |
| 01:46.24 | JustinP | you can use the battery as well |
| 01:46.32 | JustinP | you don't have to use AC |
| 01:46.35 | Gin-geR | well, anyway, thank you guys, I'll play more tomorrow. |
| 01:46.44 | Gin-geR | ac is alright with me :) |
| 01:46.59 | ashikase | except |
| 01:47.09 | ashikase | if you use battery, and your battery dies while flashing... |
| 01:47.24 | Gin-geR | you can have both just in case :) |
| 01:49.04 | Gin-geR | anyway, once more - thanks. See you later ;) |
| 02:07.43 | ashikase | 3.5.4rc-test5, c760: the /dev/ts does not exist? |
| 02:08.18 | ashikase | looking at /etc/init.d/devices, it seems that if udev is running, necessary links aren't created (?) |
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| 05:28.21 | tanq | what is a good embedded office type suite that runs on gpe? |
| 05:28.27 | tanq | does open office run on gpe? |
| 05:30.03 | shadows | nice question |
| 05:30.04 | shadows | not sure |
| 05:30.20 | shadows | hancom stuff was pretty good, proprietary closed though and not for GPE |
| 05:30.40 | shadows | abiword might run on GPE |
| 05:30.53 | tanq | yeah i liked hancom.. |
| 05:31.24 | shadows | gnumeric, abiword, gimp |
| 06:01.42 | tanq | quick question.. |
| 06:01.53 | tanq | it has been a while since i've messed with ipkg-link |
| 06:02.12 | tanq | i flashed to 3.5.4 test but I want to ipkg-link my sd card |
| 06:02.22 | tanq | can i just do ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 06:02.28 | tanq | or am i missing a step |
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| 06:19.11 | JustinP | install things to SD, then ipkg-link mount sd |
| 06:19.23 | JustinP | and openoffice does not currently build in OE |
| 06:23.39 | Mudhoney | openoffice seems like a hefty load for oe devices |
| 06:23.48 | Mudhoney | at least probably for my 5500 |
| 06:24.33 | NA|Zzz | They wouldn't have the ram for it, I'd think |
| 06:35.21 | ashikase | has anyone managed to get a Socket BT card working in 3.5.4 ? |
| 06:35.28 | ashikase | seems that many people are reporting problems |
| 06:35.30 | ashikase | but no solutions |
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| 06:43.58 | ashikase | if opie crashes, but the machine still appears to be responding (backlight dims/blanks)... |
| 06:44.12 | ashikase | ... is there any way to fix the problem aside from pulling the battery |
| 06:44.23 | ashikase | i.e. a way to switch VT |
| 06:44.58 | ashikase | or an equivalent to ctrl-alt-bspace |
| 06:47.51 | ashikase | woah... crazy flickering |
| 06:54.23 | ashikase | strange... is flashing the screen OE's way of saying that your battery is low? |
| 06:54.31 | ashikase | plugging in the AC made it go away |
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| 08:58.39 | XorA | ~change 1600 jpy to gbp |
| 08:58.56 | XorA | ~change 2400 jpy to gbp |
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| 09:25.14 | XorA | ~change 50000 jpy to gbp |
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| 11:40.01 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 12:42.39 | dun4n | does somebody have a feed for vlc (OZ 3.5.4) ? |
| 12:48.08 | XorA | dun4n: gimme 10 mins and I see if it builds |
| 12:49.13 | ashikase | I'm trying to get Picsel Browser working with 3.5.4 on a c760 using 2.6... |
| 12:49.46 | ashikase | it seems that Picsel is trying to directly access devices in /dev (such as /dev/ts) |
| 12:49.52 | XorA | ashikase: ouch |
| 12:50.00 | ashikase | but 2.6 uses udev (which I'm not familiar with) |
| 12:50.08 | XorA | ashikase: so its not a QT/e app? |
| 12:50.13 | ashikase | is there anyway to setup the devices in /dev ? |
| 12:50.30 | ashikase | XorA: it appears to use the libs, but I think it's a custom interface |
| 12:50.32 | XorA | ashikase: /dev/ts is now /dev/input/event, but the two use different protocols |
| 12:50.46 | ashikase | hrm |
| 12:51.05 | ashikase | the 3.5.4 3100 build still uses 2.4, right? is that with devfs? |
| 12:51.25 | XorA | ashikase: that should be just as sharp for /dev |
| 12:51.38 | ashikase | maybe I'll try that route instead |
| 12:51.59 | ashikase | udev might not be the problem, but it's my current guess |
| 12:52.10 | XorA | maybe I should take a job at picsel and persuade them to the joys of OE |
| 12:52.34 | XorA | ashikase: udev makes no difference, as I said, the devices are different and incompatible between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 12:52.52 | ashikase | ah, 2.4/2.6 difference, gotcha |
| 12:53.02 | XorA | for example the touchscreen is now a linux input device |
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| 13:58.24 | tanq | weird.. |
| 13:58.59 | tanq | i did an ipkg -d sd -force-depends install mplayer and now my z won't even boot.. |
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| 13:59.25 | tanq | i got some crazy errors about some shared library not found.. |
| 13:59.43 | tanq | its like it unlinked/erased something |
| 14:01.15 | ashikase | test5 tries to mount hdb as CF, should be hda |
| 14:01.40 | tanq | ? |
| 14:01.48 | tanq | you mean with ipkg-link |
| 14:01.50 | tanq | ? |
| 14:02.01 | ashikase | sorry tanq, not related to your problem |
| 14:02.04 | tanq | ahh |
| 14:02.16 | tanq | my cf mount works |
| 14:02.26 | tanq | i'm using poodle though |
| 14:02.33 | ashikase | that should have been prefixed by: on a Borzoi |
| 14:03.06 | tanq | i need to get the dev environment setup |
| 14:03.12 | tanq | i've been saying this for years. |
| 14:03.23 | tanq | heh... |
| 14:07.28 | ashikase | dang it |
| 14:07.34 | ashikase | i really want to like oz |
| 14:07.55 | ashikase | but I keep running into little... annoyances |
| 14:08.21 | ashikase | hitting Fn+Shift locks Opie on the Borzoi as well |
| 14:13.48 | Gin-geR | Hello there. |
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| 14:48.26 | ashikase | hrm.. picsel is looking for /tmp/qtembedded-root, instead of /tmp/qtembedded-0 |
| 14:50.43 | XorA | ashikase: a simple ln -s fixes that |
| 14:50.51 | XorA | ashikase: thats an opiew vs qt/e diff |
| 14:51.04 | ashikase | tried that |
| 14:51.15 | ashikase | it then complains that qtembedded-root is not a directory |
| 14:51.32 | ashikase | and i can't seem to make a hard link |
| 14:52.43 | XorA | ashikase: pish |
| 14:52.48 | ashikase | pish? |
| 14:53.01 | ashikase | I'll try hard linking the unix socket |
| 14:53.04 | XorA | ashikase: local equivalant of crap/shit |
| 14:53.13 | ashikase | i see |
| 14:53.26 | Gin-geR | how about bind-mounting? |
| 14:53.46 | XorA | I think ashikase is right, make the dir then link the socket |
| 14:55.15 | Gin-geR | Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about, but bindmounting if it's only available in the kernel will work no matter what ;) |
| 14:55.55 | ashikase | hrm, well, this time it just locked my opie up |
| 14:56.01 | ashikase | so that's different, I guess |
| 14:56.33 | ashikase | getting tired of yanking the battery |
| 15:00.07 | Gin-geR | okay, I have played enough with cacko, will try pdaXrom now. While I wait for oz... |
| 15:03.59 | ashikase | strange.. can't figure out what the current problem is |
| 15:06.15 | ashikase | puts up a lot of threads, though |
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| 15:27.08 | XorA | ~change 100 gbp to jpy |
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| 16:22.23 | dun4n | how to create a standard flash partition to install OZ after pdaxrom ? |
| 16:28.08 | XorA | dun4n: easiest way is to NAND restore your machine |
| 16:29.00 | XorA | dun4n: sorry earlier I got distracted, but vlc didnt build for me so its not in my feed |
| 16:33.57 | dun4n | ok thx :) |
| 16:38.11 | Gin-geR | pdaxrom is a bit more familiar... now it's time to try openbsd ;) |
| 17:02.57 | dun4n | Gin-geR : I just update to OZ to find the good config for my CF Planex to port it on pdaxrom |
| 17:03.26 | dun4n | (my desktop is running a gentoo linux, FreeBSD at home :)) |
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| 17:06.35 | Gin-geR | dun4n, my desktopis also running a gentto, but I don't need anything to port anywhere yet, I just want to get OZ for 3100 :) |
| 17:10.19 | dun4n | i was thinkning you was talking to me about OpenBSD :) |
| 17:10.33 | Gin-geR | dun4n, no, I was talking to myself :) |
| 17:10.39 | dun4n | oops sorry :) |
| 17:10.46 | Gin-geR | I've just got zaurus and trying all roms. |
| 17:10.50 | Gin-geR | thought about trying openbsd. |
| 17:35.26 | tanq | arg.. |
| 17:35.34 | tanq | my desktop keeps dissappearing. |
| 17:35.50 | tanq | that gpe browser screw up my desktop |
| 17:35.55 | tanq | i think it has a memory leak somewhere |
| 17:36.03 | tanq | s/screw/screws |
| 17:36.34 | tanq | the longer i leave it open the slower things get.. then when i close it the z is still laggy.. like its not releasing memory |
| 17:46.49 | JustinP | tanq: top? |
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| 17:54.05 | AMD | does anybody know how to use different or smaller fonts with opera 7.55? |
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| 19:25.28 | tigger^ | is it possible to install apps onto the microdrive? |
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| 19:48.20 | JustinP | tigger^: ummm....what did you install? |
| 19:48.31 | JustinP | tigger^: you shouldn't be running from flash on a spitz or borzoi |
| 19:48.40 | JustinP | tigger^: you should be running from hda1 |
| 19:49.36 | tigger^ | JustinP: I just followed the instructions ... |
| 19:50.30 | tigger^ | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/wordpress/installation/sl-c3100/ |
| 19:57.35 | tigger^ | Have I missed something? |
| 20:08.42 | tigger^ | hmm |
| 20:08.56 | tigger^ | no openssh packages now |
| 20:09.08 | tigger^ | I installed them last time I installed test5 |
| 20:09.27 | tigger^ | maybe the version from the old unstable feed or something |
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| 20:18.44 | JustinP | tigger^: oh, I see...yeah, forgot about the 128MB thing |
| 20:19.10 | JustinP | tigger^: if you install altboot, then unzip one of the image tarballs to your HD then you can use that as root |
| 20:20.39 | JustinP | tigger^: you could also use the "flasher" to untar the hdimage to hda1 for you (just do hdimage1.tgz, not initrd or zimage) |
| 20:20.52 | JustinP | tigger^: and gnu-tar |
| 20:21.36 | tigger^ | thanks |
| 20:21.55 | tigger^ | hmm |
| 20:22.03 | tigger^ | http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/altboot/daily-snapshot/ |
| 20:22.06 | tigger^ | no borzoi :) |
| 20:22.08 | tigger^ | doh |
| 20:22.53 | tigger^ | mm |
| 20:23.58 | tigger^ | How can it say: |
| 20:24.03 | tigger^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.06 | tigger^ | USB Storage (Akita / Borzoi / Spitz) |
| 20:24.12 | tigger^ | And then say it doesn't support Borzoi.. |
| 20:24.18 | JustinP | you can use a spitz version |
| 20:24.21 | tigger^ | ok |
| 20:24.31 | JustinP | don't do it,t hough :-| |
| 20:24.36 | tigger^ | hmm? |
| 20:24.37 | JustinP | 1s |
| 20:24.41 | tigger^ | sure |
| 20:25.50 | JustinP | could you show me the line output by "mount" for /? |
| 20:26.06 | JustinP | /dev/mtdblock2, right? |
| 20:26.48 | tigger^ | yes |
| 20:27.11 | JustinP | ok |
| 20:27.23 | JustinP | I didn't think of that when I was updating altboot last time |
| 20:27.30 | JustinP | I'll giv you a fresh (spitz) version |
| 20:27.47 | tigger^ | ok |
| 20:29.12 | tigger^ | altboot is a tiny distro? |
| 20:31.18 | JustinP | no |
| 20:31.36 | JustinP | it's a package to allow booting from different places |
| 20:31.39 | JustinP | even image files |
| 20:31.59 | JustinP | it's all shell scripts ;-) |
| 20:32.02 | JustinP | http://oe.reversefold.com/altboot_0.0.5-rc4-r2_spitz.ipk |
| 20:32.04 | JustinP | try that one |
| 20:32.43 | tigger^ | JustinP: yes, my point was, presumably it's a tiny kernel and shell scripts |
| 20:32.44 | tigger^ | :) |
| 20:32.51 | tigger^ | as it has to boot itself somehow |
| 20:33.27 | JustinP | tigger^: you install it on an already booting partition |
| 20:33.44 | JustinP | tigger^: it does nothing with the kernel (yet). It will do kexec stuff sometime soon |
| 20:33.49 | tigger^ | k |
| 20:34.21 | tigger^ | helps if I spell fold correctly |
| 20:34.27 | JustinP | tigger^: so install that altboot in your flash, then format /dev/hda1, mount it, unzip an image tarball to it, then reboot to use altboot |
| 20:34.33 | JustinP | *but* |
| 20:34.59 | JustinP | if you don't want to wipe out your Sharp ROM hda1 you can also use a boot image on hda3 (the fat partiton) |
| 20:35.07 | JustinP | that also works well |
| 20:35.15 | tigger^ | nothing on here I need to keep |
| 20:35.21 | tigger^ | and I'm good at restores ;) |
| 20:35.31 | JustinP | well, did you back up the hdd? |
| 20:35.41 | tigger^ | there is nothing on it |
| 20:35.48 | JustinP | you wiped it? |
| 20:35.56 | tigger^ | I have done so several times yes |
| 20:36.03 | tigger^ | and put sharp rom back, openbsd, openzaurus |
| 20:36.07 | tigger^ | in various orders |
| 20:36.42 | JustinP | ah, ok |
| 20:36.51 | JustinP | well, you can use hda1 then |
| 20:36.57 | JustinP | it's not *that* big, though, I don't think.... |
| 20:37.30 | tigger^ | hda1 being mtdblock2? |
| 20:37.30 | tigger^ | or the microdrive |
| 20:37.32 | tigger^ | presumably the former |
| 20:38.07 | tigger^ | or, mtdblock1 even I guess |
| 20:38.47 | tigger^ | mm |
| 20:39.03 | JustinP | no |
| 20:39.04 | tigger^ | ipkg install http://.../altboot.ipk didn't work |
| 20:39.08 | JustinP | the hdd is the hdd |
| 20:39.10 | JustinP | microdrive |
| 20:39.11 | tigger^ | ok |
| 20:39.17 | tigger^ | well hda1 is whatever size I make it then |
| 20:39.32 | JustinP | ok |
| 20:39.32 | tigger^ | up to 4g |
| 20:39.33 | JustinP | then make it whetever you want |
| 20:39.35 | JustinP | I suggest not the whole thing, though |
| 20:39.41 | JustinP | but, hey, if you're fine with wiping it... |
| 20:39.45 | tigger^ | yeah |
| 20:39.46 | tigger^ | as I say |
| 20:39.48 | JustinP | do whatever ;-) |
| 20:39.50 | tigger^ | it's been blanked repeatedly |
| 20:39.51 | tigger^ | :) |
| 20:40.32 | tigger^ | dinner |
| 20:40.33 | tigger^ | bbl |
| 20:40.37 | JustinP | ok |
| 20:40.39 | JustinP | good luck |
| 20:40.46 | JustinP | I'll be around randomly...as normal |
| 20:48.50 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: ping: another update to altboot...it's more for borzoi but I put it in the spitz postrm/inst for now. I think we should probably combine the portinst/rm and make it key off of machine name |
| 20:58.08 | tigger^ | b |
| 20:59.12 | tigger^ | JustinP: write..so I mkfs on the new /dev/hda1 |
| 20:59.27 | tigger^ | is ipkg install altboot*.ipk meant to work? |
| 20:59.45 | tigger^ | and I should do that from my flash-installed openzaurus instance? |
| 21:01.48 | tigger^ | it needs renaming I guess |
| 21:03.04 | tigger^ | nope, no dice |
| 21:03.05 | tigger^ | oh well |
| 21:03.10 | tigger^ | have to wait till after fosdem |
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| 21:51.00 | JustinP | tigger^: after fosdem? you there? |
| 21:51.17 | JustinP | tigger^: if your Z has internet installing it should work....what's the error you get? |
| 21:51.32 | JustinP | tigger^: and yes, this needs to be installed to flash |
| 21:53.25 | tigger^ | JustinP: I will be tomorrow/sunday |
| 21:53.31 | tigger^ | JustinP: it didn't work |
| 21:53.36 | tigger^ | sec, lemme try now and repeat error |
| 21:55.18 | tigger^ | it prints a line about clearing state |
| 21:55.22 | tigger^ | then: |
| 21:55.25 | tigger^ | Nothing to be done |
| 21:55.32 | tigger^ | An error occured, return value 4 |
| 21:55.38 | tigger^ | Collected Eerrors: |
| 21:55.44 | tigger^ | Cannot find package altboot |
| 21:55.56 | tigger^ | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 21:58.31 | JustinP | tigger^: try forcing it. Perhaps it doesn't do it because you have a borzoi and this is a spitz build |
| 21:58.37 | tigger^ | k |
| 21:58.53 | JustinP | I can try building it as borzoi if I must... |
| 21:59.11 | JustinP | (it's actually not that hard) |
| 21:59.21 | tigger^ | how would I force it? |
| 21:59.27 | tigger^ | there is no plain -force |
| 21:59.27 | JustinP | ipkg --help |
| 22:00.03 | tigger^ | no obvious answer there :) |
| 22:00.11 | tigger^ | I can override reinstall, or space checks |
| 22:00.13 | JustinP | what is the exact error? |
| 22:00.28 | tigger^ | well, there isn't an error to speak of really |
| 22:00.30 | tigger^ | that's the odd thing |
| 22:00.52 | tigger^ | The only line above those I typed above |
| 22:00.56 | tigger^ | says something about clearing state |
| 22:01.01 | tigger^ | I can type that out if it helps |
| 22:01.29 | tigger^ | Clearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=altboot (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2) |
| 22:01.37 | tigger^ | Then it's Nothing to be done |
| 22:01.38 | tigger^ | etc etc |
| 22:01.52 | JustinP | one sec |
| 22:04.07 | JustinP | there we go |
| 22:05.11 | JustinP | try http://oe.reversefold.com/altboot_0.0.5-rc4-r2_borzoi.ipk |
| 22:05.16 | tigger^ | oki |
| 22:05.57 | tigger^ | same deal :/ |
| 22:06.05 | tigger^ | wonder if my install is borked in some way |
| 22:06.08 | tigger^ | not sure how it would be though |
| 22:06.10 | tigger^ | it's clean |
| 22:06.58 | tigger^ | but no dice |
| 22:07.05 | JustinP | grrrr |
| 22:07.10 | JustinP | wait.... |
| 22:07.15 | JustinP | I've sene that before.... |
| 22:07.17 | JustinP | seen |
| 22:07.25 | JustinP | does installing *anything* work? |
| 22:07.29 | tigger^ | sec |
| 22:07.30 | tigger^ | er |
| 22:07.33 | tigger^ | random package |
| 22:07.37 | tigger^ | um |
| 22:07.41 | tigger^ | less |
| 22:08.34 | tigger^ | yep. worked fine |
| 22:10.13 | JustinP | grrrr |
| 22:10.18 | JustinP | from a URL? |
| 22:10.30 | tigger^ | ah, no. I just did ipkg install for that one |
| 22:10.32 | JustinP | did you try downloading the package first? |
| 22:10.34 | tigger^ | but, I tried wget'ing |
| 22:10.38 | tigger^ | and it did the same thing |
| 22:10.44 | tigger^ | (for altboot) |
| 22:10.56 | JustinP | have you installed it before? |
| 22:11.01 | tigger^ | altboot? no |
| 22:11.15 | JustinP | I have no idea what the problem could be then |
| 22:12.26 | JustinP | maybe that version of ipkg won't install from a non-feed.... |
| 22:13.42 | tigger^ | that clearing state thing is weird |
| 22:13.49 | tigger^ | and yeah, maybe so |
| 22:14.32 | tigger^ | oh well |
| 22:14.37 | tigger^ | I'll investigate it when I get back |
| 22:15.23 | JustinP | you could also use 'ar' and such to just unpack and install the files manually |
| 22:15.26 | JustinP | but that would suck.... |
| 22:15.30 | tigger^ | heh |
| 22:15.58 | tigger^ | kinda interesting to see what's up |
| 22:16.08 | JustinP | one sec, I'll make it a feed.... |
| 22:16.13 | tigger^ | heh, ok |
| 22:17.23 | JustinP | http://oe.reversefold.com/feed/ |
| 22:17.40 | JustinP | one package feed |
| 22:18.43 | tigger^ | the same thing, but without the clearing state thing |
| 22:18.44 | tigger^ | weird |
| 22:18.56 | JustinP | did you set up the feed? |
| 22:18.59 | tigger^ | yep |
| 22:19.00 | JustinP | in yout ipkg.conf? |
| 22:19.01 | tigger^ | and ipkg update |
| 22:19.05 | JustinP | hmmm... |
| 22:19.10 | tigger^ | ipkg list|grep altboot |
| 22:19.12 | tigger^ | is runnin now |
| 22:19.13 | tigger^ | +g |
| 22:19.14 | JustinP | just says nothing to be done |
| 22:19.15 | tigger^ | ah |
| 22:19.16 | tigger^ | interesting |
| 22:19.16 | JustinP | ? |
| 22:19.18 | tigger^ | that's found it |
| 22:19.21 | tigger^ | so.. |
| 22:19.24 | tigger^ | why does instlal not install it :/ |
| 22:19.30 | JustinP | ipkg install -force-reinstall altboot |
| 22:19.34 | tigger^ | k |
| 22:20.15 | tigger^ | still no :/ |
| 22:20.22 | tigger^ | anyway, I should sleep |
| 22:20.29 | tigger^ | thanks for trying :) |
| 22:20.39 | JustinP | ok |
| 22:20.42 | JustinP | later |
| 22:20.47 | JustinP | have fun at fosdem |
| 22:20.50 | tigger^ | will do :) |
| 22:27.42 | Gin-geR | Now what should I do to get OZ for 3100, finally? ;-) I've tried all roms now ;-) |
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| 22:39.24 | JustinP | Gin-geR: ask hrw for the URL for the test images |
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| 22:39.36 | Gin-geR | I would, but he's eternally gone :) |
| 22:39.38 | JustinP | Gin-geR: or ask tigger^, he seems to have them... |
| 22:39.53 | JustinP | Gin-geR: so you go hrw|gone: could I get access to the images? |
| 22:39.58 | Gin-geR | Well, I should have asked earlier then ;-) |
| 22:40.05 | JustinP | Gin-geR: and when he sees it he'll say Gin-geR sure |
| 22:40.25 | JustinP | I told you to ask a while ago... |
| 22:40.39 | Gin-geR | Yes, that's why I was waiting for him to show up |
| 22:40.49 | Gin-geR | So, here I go ;-) |
| 22:40.55 | Gin-geR | hrw|gone: could I get access to the images? |
| 22:40.57 | Gin-geR | ;-) |
| 22:41.29 | Gin-geR | I think it's time to make up my mind and chose the rom to use. |
| 22:55.07 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:55.28 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: as you have the machine to test it, that's your call ;) |
| 22:55.51 | Gin-geR | May I also test something? ;-)) |
| 22:58.23 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: heh...well...I didn't actually *test* it...but the change made sense to me |
| 22:58.26 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 22:58.33 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 22:59.14 | CoreDump|home | I wish there had never been a 2.4 spitz release =) 2.6 simplifies thing a ton |
| 23:03.18 | JustinP | I suppose |
| 23:03.30 | JustinP | well, boot from hdd, yes, simplifies thing |
| 23:03.38 | JustinP | but 2.4 was all we had |
| 23:03.43 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 23:04.20 | CoreDump|home | well, do you know how borzoi boots? |
| 23:04.33 | CoreDump|home | into flash + pivot to HDD like spitz? |
| 23:05.55 | JustinP | yes |
| 23:06.01 | JustinP | for 2.4 at least |
| 23:06.04 | JustinP | well, no |
| 23:06.06 | JustinP | sorry |
| 23:06.13 | JustinP | 2.4 is set up to install to flash entirely |
| 23:06.16 | JustinP | since it has 128M |
| 23:06.37 | JustinP | so installing altboot is installing to flash as / |
| 23:06.55 | CoreDump|home | great |
| 23:07.06 | CoreDump|home | so borzoi should work with the akita config |
| 23:07.29 | JustinP | I suppose so... |
| 23:07.30 | CoreDump|home | anyone here with a borzoi? |
| 23:07.35 | Gin-geR | Me me! |
| 23:07.48 | Gin-geR | But with no oz yet ;) |
| 23:08.09 | CoreDump|home | meh =) go flash then heh |
| 23:08.22 | Gin-geR | CoreDump|home: I would if I only had image to flash |
| 23:08.35 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
| 23:08.47 | Gin-geR | I've played with cacko, pdaxrom, original rom - now it's time for oz ;-) |
| 23:10.03 | CoreDump|home | hrw would shoot me if I were to reveal his "hidden" directory heh |
| 23:10.12 | Gin-geR | Sure, don't then. |
| 23:10.28 | Gin-geR | I'll have to wait then. |
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| 23:41.08 | Gin-geRx | And where is 'gnu-tar', anyway? |
| 23:42.54 | CoreDump|home | ? |
| 23:43.24 | Gin-geRx | Well, The only installation instructions I have says on should put gnu-tar on the cf :) |
| 23:44.38 | CoreDump|home | by the looks of it, 3.5.4 will not touch our HDD on borzoi |
| 23:45.01 | CoreDump|home | so you won't need gnu tar AFAICT |
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| 23:45.10 | Gin-geRx | Good. |
| 23:45.18 | CoreDump|home | s/our/your |
| 23:45.37 | Gin-geRx | So, initrd, zImage and updater? |
| 23:45.53 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:45.54 | Gin-geRx | And I don't have to repartition or whatever? |
| 23:46.05 | Gin-geRx | Just like with other roms? |
| 23:46.05 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 23:46.28 | Gin-geRx | okay. I'll start with gpe, I think ;-) |
| 23:46.32 | CoreDump|home | flash and be happy =) |
| 23:46.59 | Gin-geRx | I will! :) |
| 23:48.08 | Gin-geRx | okay, disconnecting zaurus.... :) |
| 23:49.37 | CoreDump|home | <CIA-1> coredump org.oe.dev * rc149c9b8... /packages/altboot/files/ (4 files in 2 dirs): altboot: Add experimental (IOW untested) borzoi and c7x0 configs |
| 23:49.54 | CoreDump|home | that config has your name on it Gin-geR |
| 23:49.56 | Gin-geRx | and does the partitioning of flash matter? |
| 23:50.02 | CoreDump|home | yes |
| 23:50.28 | Gin-geRx | So, if I resized it before - I should do something about it? |
| 23:50.34 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 23:50.47 | Gin-geRx | and what? resize it again or nand restore? |
| 23:50.49 | CoreDump|home | NAND restore, here you come hehe |
| 23:50.59 | Gin-geRx | okay. |
| 23:52.07 | Gin-geRx | can I keep the initrd, zImage and updater on cf along with nand backup or will it have side effects? |
| 23:52.41 | CoreDump|home | dunno, sry. never had to do a NR |
| 23:53.06 | Gin-geRx | Okay, I'll remove everything... I've never done it either. Hope it's not dangerous ;-) |
| 23:54.40 | CoreDump|home | it is |
| 23:55.04 | CoreDump|home | if that goes wrong it gets expensive real quick |
| 23:55.14 | Gin-geRx | I hope it won't... |
| 23:55.41 | Gin-geRx | I don't really need paperweight as I don't use paper much. |
| 23:56.32 | CoreDump|home | nah, the machine could be made operational again. but even i don't know what to do then =) |
| 23:56.53 | Gin-geRx | Well... Don't scare me away :) |
| 23:56.59 | CoreDump|home | nahhhh =) |
| 23:57.23 | Gin-geRx | takes a while to put nand backup to the cf card :) |
| 23:58.36 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: remember that borzoi has an HD as well...it should have the same stuff as spitz (but default should be boot from flash, which is current /) |
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| 23:59.23 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: look at hrw's test5 folder 3.5.4 only uses flash, meaning all modules and stuff will be there |
| 23:59.54 | CoreDump|home | and that means it should be the same as akita, just with an HDD |