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| 00:29.19 | m3xican | hi |
| 00:34.52 | m3xican | I have a problem with linux/usb connection, someone could help me? |
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| 07:17.22 | alan|work | hi all |
| 07:19.00 | alan|work | today is a day of fight : i'm trying to introduce linux to the city team and to the headmaster of the school i work in. |
| 07:19.19 | alan|work | gonna be hard... |
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| 08:38.03 | alan|work | luke-jr_ : are you here ? |
| 08:38.39 | alan|work | i'll be gone in about 1 hour... then back asap |
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| 11:31.59 | Ycros | is ipkg terribly dodgy, or is it just me |
| 11:36.11 | tubbie|home | Ycros, there is a newer one in the upgrades feed: |
| 11:36.14 | tubbie|home | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/ |
| 11:36.24 | Ycros | you serious? |
| 11:36.31 | Ycros | does it like, not break everything |
| 11:37.25 | Ycros | both me and a friend (he's just recently installed oz on his zaurus as well) are having huge problems with it |
| 11:37.59 | tubbie|home | are you using it from console? |
| 11:38.14 | Ycros | yeah |
| 11:38.34 | Ycros | we're both installing things in an alternate dest |
| 11:38.41 | Ycros | because / doesn't have much space |
| 11:39.03 | tubbie|home | collie? |
| 11:39.54 | Ycros | his is I think |
| 11:40.08 | tubbie|home | and you have a poodle? |
| 11:40.31 | Ycros | mine's actually a spitz but / is a 50mb partition, I'm trying to install gpe and I thought it would generally be a good idea to install it on a bigger partition |
| 11:40.58 | Ycros | it'd be even better if I could just repartition it |
| 11:41.04 | tubbie|home | well my last experinces are with gpe on c1k |
| 11:41.09 | Ycros | Package ipkg (0.99.148-r0) installed in root is up to date. |
| 11:41.13 | Ycros | hmm |
| 11:41.30 | Ycros | what I don't understand |
| 11:41.30 | tubbie|home | but I installed everything to root |
| 11:41.39 | tubbie|home | on the 1ck |
| 11:41.48 | tubbie|home | but gpe is a lot of work |
| 11:42.02 | Ycros | is why ipkg-link not integrated with ipkg |
| 11:42.14 | Ycros | to me it would make sense if it ran it after it installed each package |
| 11:42.48 | tubbie|home | hmmm, maybe some hints on oesf? |
| 11:43.21 | tubbie|home | well I never tried other dests on c1k, since it has a lot of flash |
| 11:44.22 | tubbie|home | had a look into /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 11:44.22 | Ycros | yeah |
| 11:44.28 | tubbie|home | ? |
| 11:44.37 | Ycros | that's where I added the other dest |
| 11:44.40 | Ycros | and the other feeds |
| 11:45.05 | Ycros | gah |
| 11:51.22 | tubbie|home | hmmm, nothing in bugtracker about that |
| 11:53.07 | tubbie|home | quote from lardman on oesf: |
| 11:53.09 | tubbie|home | Use ipkg-link like so: |
| 11:53.09 | tubbie|home | ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages |
| 11:53.18 | tubbie|home | maybe this helps |
| 12:02.58 | Ycros | yes |
| 12:03.02 | Ycros | it does help |
| 12:03.06 | Ycros | but it should do it automatically |
| 12:03.13 | Ycros | after installing each package |
| 12:03.15 | Ycros | what happens |
| 12:03.21 | Ycros | is that when it hits the configuration section |
| 12:03.33 | Ycros | a lot of packages fail configuring because they need links which don't exist yet |
| 12:07.25 | Ycros | hmm |
| 12:13.19 | tubbie|home | From the hentges roms I know it should work, because that system comes with an installer and installs everything to SD |
| 12:13.34 | tubbie|home | it calls ipkg-link at the begining |
| 12:14.09 | tubbie|home | automatically |
| 12:14.21 | tubbie|home | so it should work |
| 12:16.20 | tubbie|home | theoretically |
| 12:16.49 | tubbie|home | but I am not aware about then mdofications there |
| 12:18.43 | tubbie|home | I can build you an ipkg cvs snapshot, but updating ipkg is not laways the best Idea |
| 12:20.17 | tubbie|home | Have you tried gpe now on your spitz Ycros? |
| 12:21.47 | tubbie|home | The extra keys are not working on the c1k and also screen rotation an backlights need some hacks |
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| 12:44.03 | Ycros | the extra keys don't work on mine either, I haven't tried it yet |
| 12:44.11 | Ycros | I'm screwing around a bit with my guitar at the moment |
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| 13:10.32 | Ycros | do I have to go through the flashing process to install a new zimage? |
| 13:11.38 | tubbie|home | dunno that for spitz |
| 13:12.12 | tubbie|home | it may be possible just to flash the kernel |
| 13:12.19 | tubbie|home | I did often on collie |
| 13:13.19 | tubbie|home | but before you maybe brick you your device, I dunno |
| 13:14.20 | Ycros | hey |
| 13:14.24 | Ycros | is |
| 13:14.26 | Ycros | 3.5.3 incomplete? |
| 13:14.34 | Ycros | I'm noticing things missing here and there |
| 13:14.46 | Ycros | which exist in the previous version |
| 13:16.05 | tubbie|home | it depends on you perspective, not all packages from OE are there. I had to compile jamvm for example on my own |
| 13:17.40 | Ycros | so. |
| 13:17.47 | Ycros | but like |
| 13:17.53 | Ycros | when I install something |
| 13:18.01 | Ycros | I expect its dependencies to exist |
| 13:18.18 | Ycros | how do I roll my own? |
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| 13:20.49 | tubbie|home | well sometimes just the control file is not conform and asking for xyz1.2.3+cvs.ipk instead of xyz1.2.3.ipk |
| 13:21.22 | tubbie|home | this can be fixed by just playing with force-depends issues and so on |
| 13:21.46 | tubbie|home | somtimes something is now provided by another packager |
| 13:22.01 | tubbie|home | and sometimes you have to build it on your own |
| 13:22.11 | Ycros | ...why? where is all this documented? |
| 13:22.27 | tubbie|home | good question |
| 13:23.12 | Ycros | see this is what I'm finding most annoying |
| 13:23.13 | tubbie|home | Why, because there are just few maintainers maintaining a lot of packages |
| 13:23.22 | Ycros | I've had to guess my way through most things |
| 13:23.28 | Ycros | hmm |
| 13:23.59 | tubbie|home | It is not all documented, a lot of things are just spoken on irc |
| 13:24.14 | tubbie|home | it is really aproblem of infrastructure |
| 13:27.26 | tubbie|home | a lot of things you learn as openembedded/bitbake user |
| 13:29.22 | Ycros | ;E |
| 13:32.35 | tubbie|home | if you have a fast linux box with a lot of Ram and >15 Gig free space on HD, you should install oe/bitbake |
| 13:36.01 | tubbie|home | since spitz is brand new from devel perspective |
| 13:36.44 | Ycros | yeah |
| 13:36.47 | Ycros | I'm tempted to install it |
| 13:37.06 | Ycros | how is openzaurus different from familiar? I notice they support the zaurus too. |
| 13:37.45 | tubbie|home | no familiar is just for iPaqs |
| 13:37.50 | Ycros | I found fc-cache |
| 13:37.53 | Ycros | I think |
| 13:38.05 | Ycros | in libfontconfig-utils |
| 13:38.33 | Ycros | ipkg search isn't really working properly |
| 13:38.41 | Ycros | tubbie|home: no, they support zaurus |
| 13:39.01 | tubbie|home | why should they support zaurus? |
| 13:39.05 | Ycros | don't they? |
| 13:39.07 | Ycros | blek |
| 13:39.26 | tubbie|home | openzaurus and familiar are both using openembedded |
| 13:39.39 | Ycros | "Familiar v0.8.2 for the iPAQ h3600, h3700, h3800, h3900, h5400, and h5500 series, Siemens Simpad and Sharp Zauri." |
| 13:39.55 | tubbie|home | yes because the base is the same |
| 13:40.15 | tubbie|home | they are according to openembedded |
| 13:40.56 | tubbie|home | once you configure you openembedded, you can choose DIST=openzaurus or familiar |
| 13:41.29 | tubbie|home | so lot of packages are the same |
| 13:41.33 | Ycros | uhha |
| 13:41.49 | tubbie|home | but kernel conf for example is different |
| 13:41.51 | Ycros | I've heard about people running debian on their zaurii, do you know anything about that? |
| 13:42.23 | tubbie|home | yes it is pocketworkstation running debian as chroot |
| 13:42.36 | Ycros | mmm okay. |
| 13:42.36 | tubbie|home | should be quite slow |
| 13:43.15 | tubbie|home | it is possible to use that with openzaurus |
| 13:43.33 | tubbie|home | there are some postings about on the oesf forums |
| 13:43.35 | Ycros | blek (: |
| 13:43.46 | tubbie|home | for spitz it should be nice |
| 13:43.54 | tubbie|home | because of hd |
| 13:43.56 | Ycros | yeah |
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| 13:44.59 | Ycros | well |
| 13:45.22 | Ycros | in the upgrades feed I see a new kernel image for splitz... I guess I should try to install that |
| 13:46.50 | tubbie|home | hmmm, yes this makes sense |
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| 14:53.24 | alan | hi ! |
| 14:59.44 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:02.07 | Hunter555 | Hi I recognise your name from the forums |
| 15:02.18 | Hunter555 | From all the problems I've been searching for. ;-) |
| 15:04.04 | CoreDump|home | :) |
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| 15:18.05 | lardman | On a c7x0 with GPe, anyone know how to get a ` ? |
| 15:18.16 | lardman | s/GPe/GPE |
| 15:45.37 | darkschneider | considering i like speed and not eye candyes will gpe be faster than opie? |
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| 15:49.39 | lardman | at what in particular? GPE doesn't seem bad to me |
| 15:49.49 | lardman | I've not used opie for a while though |
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| 16:01.11 | darkschneider | i just need speed.. cosider that i use windowmaker with my machine.. no backgroud no gradients shareds or such.. i woudl like to have somethign similar on the Z |
| 16:01.50 | darkschneider | and maybe cupport for X apps (that is why i'm cosidering gpe at first) |
| 16:02.39 | lardman | It's reasonable imo |
| 16:02.40 | CoreDump|home | darkschneider: from what I can tell, the speed is about the same. I didn't see much of a difference. |
| 16:02.54 | darkschneider | ok thanks |
| 16:03.25 | darkschneider | that intresting. maybe have you tried scummvm on your Z.. i really woudl like to replay money while on the train.. |
| 16:03.37 | darkschneider | money/mokey |
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| 16:23.10 | darkschneider | mm i get the "can't locate module devinfo" error.. oz.org suggest just removing the cf card.. but it did not worked.. |
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| 16:24.52 | CoreDump|home | darkschneider: c3000? |
| 16:24.57 | darkschneider | noe sl-5600 |
| 16:25.21 | CoreDump|home | IIRC the CF bug is only present on c3000 ROMs |
| 16:25.29 | darkschneider | (i have flashed it about 15 times in the past.. pre-oe times...didn0t had those problems..) |
| 16:26.00 | CoreDump|home | maybe the files were damaged? Did you check the md5sums? |
| 16:26.11 | darkschneider | eheh me stupid.. |
| 16:26.18 | darkschneider | that first thing i whodul have done.. |
| 16:26.22 | darkschneider | let me check now |
| 16:26.28 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 16:28.47 | darkschneider | pff... md5 are ok, i was saved by the occurence that some bits while dowloaded get corrupted to a microsoft executable |
| 16:29.03 | lardman | in a shell script, how can one check to see if any arguments have been passed? |
| 16:29.25 | lardman | if [ $1 = "" ]; then ?? |
| 16:29.37 | lardman | I want to detect the case where none have been passed |
| 16:29.57 | CoreDump|home | lardman: test -z $* |
| 16:30.10 | CoreDump|home | $* == all passed arguments in one string |
| 16:30.23 | lardman | what does test -z do? |
| 16:30.36 | CoreDump|home | it checks for zero length |
| 16:30.44 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 16:30.50 | CoreDump|home | -n checks for non-zero |
| 16:30.59 | CoreDump|home | np :) |
| 16:32.53 | lardman | hmm, doesn't seem to like -z for some reason |
| 16:33.10 | lardman | this is using /bin/sh on the Z |
| 16:36.22 | lardman | I'm an idiot [ -z $* ] is what I should write |
| 16:48.22 | lardman | Bye all |
| 17:11.29 | alan | is there a way to get rid of the login manager under GPE ? i don't want this this buggy crap to prevent me from loging in... |
| 17:15.22 | tubbie|home | you can use autologin, but it will just log you an as root, as far as I remember |
| 17:32.27 | alan | ... thanks tubbie|home. |
| 17:32.44 | darkschneider | mmmm i get a "running the wrong kernel" message on reboot... |
| 17:32.49 | alan | is there really no way to uninstall it ? |
| 17:33.08 | darkschneider | it looked strange to me that the files in poodle dir are for pxa255 while poodle has pxa250... |
| 17:34.07 | darkschneider | any suggestion? are the files on site ok anyway even if named "zImage-poodle-pxa255.." and the warning message at the zaurus boot |
| 17:34.08 | darkschneider | ? |
| 17:35.26 | CoreDump|home | the files should be alright |
| 17:37.23 | darkschneider | that pxa255 in file name makes me suspicious considerig that the wekenl itself is lamenting |
| 17:40.59 | CoreDump|home | flash them and see :) since OZ doesn't touch your bootloader, the worst thing that can happen is that you need to re-flash |
| 17:43.52 | darkschneider | the message i get from the kernel is by that kernel allready, it's allready flashed :) |
| 17:45.07 | CoreDump|home | heh good point |
| 17:45.16 | CoreDump|home | you are using the wrong kernel though |
| 17:45.41 | darkschneider | that intresting point, sincei took it in sl-5600 dir on the site :) |
| 17:45.44 | CoreDump|home | maybe you didn't rename the zImage correctly? I believe it must the called zImage.bin |
| 17:45.56 | darkschneider | and considering it at least works a bit |
| 17:46.00 | CoreDump|home | but I'm not sure. |
| 17:46.04 | darkschneider | zImage |
| 17:46.08 | CoreDump|home | darkschneider: you can flash a ROM w/o kernel allright |
| 17:46.17 | CoreDump|home | and you can falsh a kernel w/o ROM |
| 17:46.19 | darkschneider | withotu the bin |
| 17:46.23 | CoreDump|home | i c |
| 17:46.30 | darkschneider | i knwo, you just have to not place the files :) |
| 17:46.34 | darkschneider | i allready did that in past |
| 17:46.34 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 17:46.57 | CoreDump|home | i believe the kernel wasn't flashed on your Z. For whatever reason :) |
| 17:47.03 | CoreDump|home | or the ROM ofcourse |
| 17:48.23 | darkschneider | aye.. i'll try.. indeed i'm running 2.4.18 |
| 17:48.36 | darkschneider | that look quite old for a so recent distro |
| 17:48.51 | CoreDump|home | that would be sharps fault |
| 17:48.59 | CoreDump|home | for not releasing some specs |
| 17:49.18 | CoreDump|home | 2.4.18 is the best you'll _ever_ get for collie for example |
| 17:49.26 | darkschneider | ok |
| 17:49.39 | darkschneider | then i do not knwo if kernel was flashed or not |
| 17:50.06 | darkschneider | i think i mounted the cf as fat 16 and not as vfat and that the I in image for lowercase |
| 17:50.07 | CoreDump|home | try reflashing just the kernel. Should take about 15 seconds. |
| 17:50.08 | darkschneider | let see |
| 17:50.28 | darkschneider | eeek.... i'm a biit late on dinner apointemnt... |
| 17:50.29 | darkschneider | damn |
| 17:50.32 | darkschneider | mm later... |
| 17:50.35 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 17:50.36 | darkschneider | thanks for help |
| 17:50.43 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome. have fun |
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| 19:19.30 | pu_buha | hi, could anyone tell me where the OZ FAQ is? i can't seem to find it ANYWHERE... (i know, that's probably an FAQ, itself ;) |
| 19:19.45 | pu_buha | specificially, i'm trying to figure out how to dim the frontlight on my SL5500 |
| 19:20.08 | pu_buha | i installed the bl utility, but it seems to be for the ipaq :( |
| 19:21.07 | pu_buha | i'd rather not have to launch opie every time i need to adjust the frontlight |
| 19:31.43 | pu_buha | is there a way to use the touchscreen from text mode? |
| 19:31.54 | pu_buha | do handwriting recognition in text-mode? |
| 19:32.59 | pu_buha | where can i find a list of text characters and how to enter them on the thumboard? (like ^, comma, [], etc.) |
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| 21:12.17 | lardman | Does anyone know how the hinge behaviour on the c7x0/etc. is detected? |
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| 22:07.24 | mynameisnotnick | hi |
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| 23:22.38 | pu_buha | ping! anyone willing to take a stab at my questions above? |
| 23:43.32 | CoreDump|home | 1+2) Technically probably yes, but I don't thinks there's a tool for that |
| 23:43.35 | CoreDump|home | 3) No idea |