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| 00:41.36 | watcher | i want to move most of my OZ off the root.. what dir's is it safe to move off?? |
| 00:42.06 | watcher | i understand i should bind over the real dirs. |
| 00:42.36 | watcher | /opt/ /lib/ ..... /usr/ ??? |
| 00:49.18 | watcher | heya kergoth !:) |
| 00:49.34 | kergoth | hey |
| 00:49.47 | kergoth | i'd recommend opt, since thats where opie is. |
| 00:49.56 | kergoth | the rest i'd leave alone unless you need it |
| 00:50.22 | watcher | i reflashed back to 3.3.5 ATM.. which dir's are safe to move off of root and bind overtop the "real" ones?? |
| 00:50.22 | kergoth | i would -not- recommend /lib, too critical |
| 00:50.25 | watcher | kk |
| 00:50.29 | kergoth | usr could be, as long as you bind. |
| 00:50.37 | kergoth | early startup scripts need [, etc, from /usr/bin/ |
| 00:50.49 | kergoth | so the symlink method would make the system unbootable |
| 00:50.50 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:51.27 | watcher | not a problem, my CF is handy :) |
| 00:51.51 | kergoth | so yeah, if you're gonna bind, stick to /usr and /opt, imho. |
| 00:53.42 | watcher | kk.. mebbe you know a better way, I'm trying to figure out how to make packages install and be usable to the system.. I've been working under the concept of installing to "root" / , but with the symlinks/binds, it would really go elsewhere. |
| 00:55.12 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.27 | kergoth | but i know lots of people do what you're doing and have it work fine that way |
| 00:57.01 | watcher | I've become fixated on the "smoke and mirrors" way of doing it.. because it's a feature of linux you can't do with M$'s OS's with ANYWHERE NEAR the easye:) |
| 00:58.59 | watcher | hehe.. link to root option does what you say you do?? |
| 00:59.30 | kergoth | yes. every file in the package installed to the other location gets symlinked to / |
| 01:00.58 | watcher | cool.. that will work.... now i just need to get it to see the fedd servers :-/ |
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| 01:02.46 | watcher | grrrrrrr. |
| 01:02.53 | watcher | know nat much?? |
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| 02:32.03 | ruied | <ruied> I'm trying Gaim with msn but it doesn't work! any one can run msn with gaim? |
| 02:32.04 | ruied | <ruied> I have a zaurus 5500 with OZ 3.3.5 |
| 02:32.26 | ruied | I've installed libgaim-protocol-msn; libgame-ssl, etc... |
| 02:32.43 | ruied | the msn option is there but it doesn't connect.... |
| 02:32.52 | ruied | can anyone help me? |
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| 03:07.19 | Setzer | Hio. So I'm trying to flash my 5600, with oz 3.3.5 And well, it was running for around 3hrs. The mail/power lights just kept flashing. So I'm thinking osmething is not right here... (since the instructions say it should only take minutes.) |
| 03:08.09 | Setzer | Any pointers on why this would be happening? |
| 03:09.08 | MG_Tak | you're probably following the instructions for the 5500 |
| 03:09.43 | Setzer | Ah. |
| 03:10.52 | Setzer | I don't see any 5600 specific instructions. |
| 03:13.12 | MG_Tak | I've seen them somewhere |
| 03:13.15 | MG_Tak | can't seem to recall where |
| 03:14.50 | MG_Tak | basically, you have to remove the battery cover, hit the reset button, then hit "okay" and "on" at the same time |
| 03:15.06 | MG_Tak | and select "update", then "CF" if you have a cf card or sd if you have sd |
| 03:15.19 | MG_Tak | on your card, you need updater.sh, zImage and initrd.bin |
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| 03:16.47 | Setzer | okie. I have the zImage and initrd.bin on the cf, know nothing about an updater.sh file though. |
| 03:17.22 | MG_Tak | look it up |
| 03:18.26 | MG_Tak | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/ |
| 03:18.33 | MG_Tak | it's in most of the poodle/5600 directories |
| 03:19.33 | Setzer | ah |
| 03:20.43 | Setzer | ah. it also says not to use this version. |
| 03:20.46 | Setzer | hrml. |
| 03:20.58 | treke | you can ignore that iirc |
| 03:21.14 | MG_Tak | treke: ignore what? |
| 03:21.19 | Setzer | oh, it's fixed? |
| 03:21.22 | treke | the file that says dont use. |
| 03:21.36 | treke | I think it's ancient :) |
| 03:22.00 | Setzer | it's the same timestamp as all the other files |
| 03:22.22 | treke | oh well. Worst it can do is not work |
| 03:22.52 | Setzer | yeah. and since I'm flahsing anyways... not like I'm losing anything |
| 03:27.22 | Setzer | okie. here it goes. it's updating. |
| 03:27.28 | Setzer | Thanks people. |
| 03:37.10 | watcher | grrr,, temporary failure in name resolution.. it doesn't come with standard settings for resolv.conf?? |
| 03:37.28 | treke | no. |
| 03:37.30 | kergoth | uh? theres no such thing |
| 03:37.40 | kergoth | its by definition specific to your environment |
| 03:38.31 | watcher | not often for me.. i had a set burned into my brain from 1yr+ as a analog dialup tech supp |
| 03:42.38 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: there are public servers... |
| 03:46.01 | watcher | ....... is the resolv.conf jsut a placeholder?? or is there a good reason to have nameserver 127.0.0.1 on a PDA?? |
| 03:46.06 | kergoth | yes, there are. and most of them are worthless. |
| 03:46.19 | kergoth | its a placeholder. we dont ship a caching dns server on localhost |
| 03:47.21 | watcher | thx.. at least you answer reliably, which is more than i can say for my other main distro's chan |
| 03:50.50 | watcher | grrrr... |
| 03:51.21 | treke | stop doing that kergoth |
| 03:51.31 | kergoth | oops |
| 03:55.38 | watcher | silly networking.. manually editing resolv.conf still got failures, going O,Settings,Network, and putting DNS's there worked.. |
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| 03:59.20 | watcher | never installed from the feed.. if i select a package, and it requires others, will they be auto-selected?? |
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| 04:06.20 | watcher | i need a spreadsheet.. are there any in the feed?? |
| 04:07.58 | treke | none worth using |
| 04:09.02 | watcher | :-( |
| 04:09.10 | watcher | browser?? |
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| 04:12.02 | watcher | grrrrr. |
| 04:12.07 | watcher | some difference. |
| 04:12.16 | watcher | s/some/same |
| 04:12.44 | watcher | no space left on device when i install stuff.. i even set it to install to the CF |
| 04:15.42 | watcher | can someone help me with this?? |
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| 05:08.36 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: I use public nameservers because my ISPs only support legacy domains |
| 05:08.41 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: works well enough forme |
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| 05:09.30 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: yep. but putting anything external in resolv.conf is making assumptions. 1) they have a network connection at all, 2) they have routing to get to the net, and nat or whatever is necessary to get connectivity back.. etc |
| 05:09.32 | treke | If it works for you, great. OZ doesnt ship with one as a default |
| 05:09.36 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:09.56 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: could have em commented by default |
| 05:10.04 | kergoth | for what? |
| 05:10.06 | kergoth | thats pointless |
| 05:10.23 | kergoth | its just going to add confusion |
| 05:10.25 | treke | kergoth, snapshot builds will be down for a while |
| 05:10.28 | kergoth | k |
| 05:10.31 | treke | repartitioning the server |
| 05:12.52 | treke | moving mail to reiserfs |
| 05:13.07 | kergoth | ahh cool. 4? |
| 05:13.10 | treke | 3 |
| 05:13.28 | treke | I just barely trust three :) 4 I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole yet |
| 05:13.35 | kergoth | hehe. no risk taking with your email eh |
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| 05:14.21 | kergoth | 23:13 < ag> Buh. My one problem with my happy hacker keyboard is that the enter and delete keys are _way_ too close. |
| 05:14.24 | kergoth | 23:13 < ag> About once every six months I unintentionally whack ctrl-alt-backspace and nuke X. |
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| 05:14.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:15.34 | treke | good lord. mkfs.reiserfs has a big ass add in it |
| 05:16.25 | treke | http://home.treke.net/~ggilbert/ad.txt |
| 05:16.42 | kergoth | heh, wtf |
| 05:17.11 | treke | I remember the bitching he did at the debian-devel list for removing it, but never saw the actual ad |
| 05:19.01 | treke | I should probably disable atime |
| 05:21.55 | treke | all part of my switch to gnome plan :) |
| 05:31.59 | watcher | anyone here have midi working in KDE?? |
| 05:32.11 | watcher | sory.. wrong chan |
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