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| 03:53.57 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:54.37 | Grev | sorry, quiet here earlier, everyone was AFK |
| 03:55.25 | kergoth | its usually quiet here unless somebody needs help with something |
| 03:55.31 | kergoth | it is the user support chan after all |
| 03:55.38 | Grev | oic |
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| 11:28.40 | MaRk-UsE | hi |
| 11:29.04 | MaRk-UsE | yea yea, tomorrow I#ll get a Z 5500 *jumpjump* |
| 11:29.59 | wijnand | didn't they stop making those? |
| 11:56.26 | MaRk-UsE | don't know, it's used |
| 11:56.58 | MaRk-UsE | is Bluetooth working on the Z? |
| 11:57.27 | MaRk-UsE | I need a connection from the Z to my Nokia 7650 |
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| 14:59.30 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion channel | developer discussion in #openembedded | http://openzaurus.org/ | Please, read the FAQs and search the mailing list archives before bothering the developers. |
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| 15:14.06 | kolla | peeps |
| 15:38.19 | kergoth | this chan is so dead, we need to get a release out |
| 15:40.40 | anggarda | and that would bring a channel to live? |
| 15:41.28 | treke_ | probably not |
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| 15:42.04 | anggarda | 3.2 was released in march, was it not? |
| 15:48.05 | treke_ | Roughly |
| 15:49.08 | absentia | I thought we weren't supposed to talk here |
| 15:49.12 | absentia | but more to opemembedded instead? |
| 15:49.29 | treke_ | Development discussion belongs in #openembedded |
| 15:49.32 | kergoth | yeah, this chan is user support, so is quiet when no questions are being asked |
| 15:49.42 | kergoth | seems like users dont bs on irc as much as devs |
| 15:49.46 | kergoth | A:) |
| 15:49.51 | kergoth | s/^A// |
| 15:50.38 | absentia | no |
| 15:50.44 | absentia | users are tired of getting told to RTFM |
| 15:50.54 | absentia | here's a pet of mine: |
| 15:51.03 | absentia | can MX's be cnames? |
| 15:51.11 | kergoth | they wouldnt be tired of getting told to RTFM if they'd RTFM |
| 15:51.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:51.28 | treke_ | it's probably in TFM though |
| 15:51.55 | absentia | kergoth: yes, but sometimes being given a URL or told "which" FM to R ... says hours of searching. Remember, you're looking at a situation from one point of view -- and not everyone has that perspective! some people find google daunting! |
| 15:52.02 | absentia | tr: yes, but where? |
| 15:52.24 | treke_ | absentia: My guess is the RFC |
| 15:52.41 | absentia | I was told to RTFZF (read the fine zaurus faq) ... actually, oz faq.. so I read all 180 entries... some were ok... close... most were dated... some were, in fact, completely wrong and dangerous. |
| 15:52.49 | absentia | what was I told: FIX IT... submit corrections. |
| 15:53.11 | absentia | uh, yes, taht's what the world needs -- the blind leading. Non-experts should NOT be providing "expert" reference... |
| 15:53.13 | enki | kergoth, in your post to the oz website, you mention there are about 50 packages converted to the oe format, from oz builtroot...is there a central repository for those files? i dont see them on the bitkeeper site... i dont want to do duplicate work |
| 15:53.36 | enki | also id lke to look at some more concrete examples |
| 15:53.36 | absentia | trek: VERY good... the answer is always "read the RFC" .... so, my next question is... *WHICH* RFC |
| 15:53.58 | absentia | and, you know what... 999 out of 1000 don't know (you know, I actually looked it up!) ... and, you know what? THERE IS NO REASON WHY MX CANT BE CNAMES! |
| 15:54.24 | absentia | the justification given ... back in .. what.. 1982!!!!?? was that "multiple DNS lookups" would be resource intensive.... |
| 15:54.42 | absentia | give me a break... what about WWW cnames? doesn't www DWARF smtp traffic now? |
| 15:54.59 | absentia | the fact is, MXes *can* be cnames.... but everyone would rather help propagate FUD... than address the issue[s]. |
| 15:55.07 | absentia | not everyone is a developer. |
| 15:55.16 | treke_ | absentia: First I looked at 1035, which pointed me at 974 :) |
| 15:55.29 | treke_ | and from a brief reading it looks like it can be a cname. |
| 15:55.32 | absentia | not everyone *should* be a developer.. and users... should be able to give feedback without giving a bug fix, etc. |
| 15:55.38 | absentia | treke: keep going back... |
| 15:55.53 | kergoth | enki: openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 15:55.57 | kergoth | enki: 'packages' repository |
| 15:56.03 | absentia | treke: you say that.. but holy shit... don't say that on a #qmail channel or a mail discussion group. you'll be crucified. |
| 15:56.03 | kergoth | enki: and we're up to around 82 packages. |
| 15:56.07 | kergoth | enki: :) |
| 15:56.09 | absentia | but, yes, I *agree* ... they can be cnames... |
| 15:56.31 | kolla | but CNAMEs cant have their own MX :) |
| 15:56.45 | kolla | as so many optimisticly try to put up |
| 15:57.08 | treke_ | Though I can see how people could think it was a problem |
| 15:57.11 | enki | kergoth, are you looking into organizing the oe files based on 'genre', similar to ports and portage? |
| 15:57.22 | kergoth | enki: no, 'category' is a flawed design |
| 15:57.29 | kergoth | enki: right now we're structured by PN (package name) |
| 15:57.48 | absentia | I'd love to chat up OZ here.... |
| 15:57.52 | absentia | I'd love to help with the web site. |
| 15:57.54 | kolla | these days I wish I get out get SVR records for port 80 working |
| 15:58.08 | absentia | In fact, I'm making my own, simply because I ahven't been able to figure out how to help the others.... |
| 15:58.18 | kergoth | absentia: grab the php source and start hacking. its in cvs on sf.net/projects/openzaurus. |
| 15:58.28 | kolla | SRV record I mean |
| 15:58.30 | kergoth | oz_website iirc |
| 15:58.32 | absentia | kolla: isn't there yet another DNS thing coming to replace SVR records? |
| 15:58.32 | kergoth | (cvs module) |
| 15:58.34 | absentia | I can't keep up with it anymore. |
| 15:58.56 | absentia | I mostly want to hack content. |
| 15:58.59 | kolla | absentia: dunno, would be usefull with WWW records :) |
| 15:59.01 | absentia | I don't care about how it looks. |
| 15:59.03 | enki | kergoth, you say right now it's structed by package name, is there thought of moving to something else? |
| 15:59.09 | absentia | let someone who is interested in that, or who is actually GOOD at that... do that. |
| 15:59.21 | absentia | I just think weekly updates on the OZ page would bring the thing to life. |
| 15:59.29 | absentia | I think NEWBIE howtos... and FAQs are needed. |
| 15:59.34 | kergoth | enki: its been and will continue to be considered, but no one has brought up a solution that fits |
| 15:59.42 | kergoth | like i said. |
| 15:59.43 | absentia | like, "what does it take to run an opie program under sharp rom" |
| 15:59.43 | enki | IMO, the package tree with catagories is something ive always liked over, say, apt-get...cuz if im looking for say, a file manager, and i dont know of any, i could just look ino that section |
| 15:59.46 | kergoth | the faq db is freely submittable |
| 15:59.50 | absentia | but, oh wait, that's pollution! that's not OZ! doesn't fit here. |
| 15:59.52 | absentia | etc. |
| 15:59.53 | kergoth | and the php source is also freely available |
| 15:59.59 | kergoth | are you on crack? |
| 16:00.03 | kergoth | we want better documentation |
| 16:00.13 | kergoth | but all you do is spew crap in teh channel instead of _doing_ it |
| 16:00.18 | kergoth | everything you need is available. |
| 16:00.51 | enki | maybe metadata tags associated with a package...like the rox package would gave "file manager" associated with it...altho thatd be real resource intensive to parse the entire tree every time you want to look for a particular type of app |
| 16:01.10 | kergoth | enki: eh? |
| 16:01.14 | kergoth | enki: apt-get/dpkg has sections. |
| 16:01.19 | kergoth | enki: just not all apps use them. |
| 16:01.30 | absentia | I'd like to see an OZ faq or howto... on how to get opera and netfront going. |
| 16:01.30 | enki | apt-get and portage both have the drawback of only searchinh by package title, and not looking into the description of the package, altho by it's nature it wouldnt be very practical |
| 16:01.31 | treke_ | oe is a build system, you don't generally look for a particular type of app. |
| 16:01.39 | enki | thats true |
| 16:01.41 | kergoth | we have a category or categories fields as well, but those dont define the structure |
| 16:01.55 | kergoth | structure can reflect whatever we want, independent of hte metadata contents |
| 16:01.55 | absentia | how to get "apt-get" working (via chroot?) |
| 16:01.56 | enki | i suppose im just accustomed to the ports layout :) |
| 16:02.12 | absentia | kergoth: perhaps I spew, but it's only because I'm overwhelmed..... |
| 16:02.21 | kergoth | heh, we're all overwhelmed |
| 16:02.39 | absentia | again, it's your perspective.... you see things from an initial creator's view... it all makes sense to you |
| 16:02.51 | absentia | but at least to me... it makes NO SENSE... things are spread all the f' over everywhere. |
| 16:02.59 | absentia | you have to go to 20 different sites to get anything working. |
| 16:03.13 | absentia | and there is almost NO documentation, and what does exist, barely operates. |
| 16:03.19 | kergoth | so submit new documetnation |
| 16:03.20 | treke_ | then fix it. |
| 16:03.25 | kergoth | bitch bitch bitch |
| 16:03.26 | kergoth | try doing something. |
| 16:03.29 | absentia | ok |
| 16:03.36 | treke_ | news flash. We don't have time to do documentation. |
| 16:03.45 | absentia | treke: right |
| 16:03.49 | treke_ | So either some one else does it, or it doesnt get done. |
| 16:03.51 | absentia | so you want me to document OLD and outdates stuff incorrectly. |
| 16:03.52 | absentia | perfect. |
| 16:03.55 | absentia | what a fucking waste of my time. |
| 16:04.17 | absentia | I document X and the devs have already moved to Y... I document Y, and the devs have already moved to Z |
| 16:05.16 | absentia | goes to download |
| 16:05.39 | absentia | releases |
| 16:05.43 | absentia | looks for c7x0 .. nothing. |
| 16:05.48 | absentia | GUESS OPENZAURUS ISN'T FOR ME! |
| 16:05.52 | absentia | that's what people do. |
| 16:05.52 | treke_ | guess not. |
| 16:06.11 | absentia | you wonder why people aren't running it? THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT'S EVEN AVAILABLE! |
| 16:06.16 | treke_ | So we should post some magic non-existant openzaurus release? |
| 16:06.37 | absentia | I've run oz on my c700 since I first got it 6 months ago |
| 16:06.43 | treke_ | There is no release that supports the C7x0 |
| 16:07.07 | absentia | if you want people to help... etc... EVEN IF IT IS PRE-RELEASE... make is abundently available that it is (1) AVAILABLE and (2) NOT A RELEASE VERSION.... etc. |
| 16:07.11 | absentia | of course not |
| 16:07.48 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:07.52 | absentia | sorry |
| 16:07.53 | kergoth | i wasnt wondering why people werent running it. |
| 16:07.59 | kergoth | I know exactly what the situation is, and why it is. |
| 16:07.59 | kolla | :) |
| 16:08.05 | absentia | what are you wondering? |
| 16:08.05 | kergoth | dont fucking tell me what i already fucking know, thanks. |
| 16:08.14 | absentia | kergoth: I wouldn't presume. |
| 16:08.26 | kolla | it all bottoms out in the fact that linux sucks, eh? :) |
| 16:08.32 | absentia | that's a royal you... not your godliness you. |
| 16:08.41 | kergoth | and obviously unbeknownst to you, fdask and noda are nearly done with teh new download page |
| 16:08.44 | kergoth | which has device selection |
| 16:08.54 | absentia | kolla: it bottoms out that many open-sores developments suffer (initial) critical mass issues |
| 16:08.59 | kolla | on the other hand.. where cdm with his qnx port anyways? :) |
| 16:09.06 | absentia | kergoth: yup. |
| 16:09.27 | kergoth | cdm's been busy with qnx releases and other spiffiness that doesnt related to the Z |
| 16:09.34 | absentia | you think there would be a link .... even on here? "hey guys, take a look at these pages... what do you think? give some feedback to fdask and noda" |
| 16:09.34 | absentia | nope. |
| 16:10.01 | absentia | we/i bitch about lack of documentation / pages.. and you tell me to get the php source... and then after more bitching, you spring out "oh, and X and Y have some suprt secret pages.... they're almost done" |
| 16:10.07 | absentia | you're burying yourself... |
| 16:10.12 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:10.14 | kergoth | the _download_ page isnt done |
| 16:10.15 | kolla | absentia: nonsense |
| 16:10.17 | kergoth | you're talking about faqs and howtos |
| 16:10.19 | treke_ | absentia: There is a reason we don't push the C7x0 ports, all of the feedback we get are the same bugs that we all know about. |
| 16:10.21 | kergoth | which have nothing to dowith that. |
| 16:10.32 | kergoth | all you do in the oz and oe channels is bitch |
| 16:10.36 | kergoth | i havent seen one line of code |
| 16:10.39 | absentia | bitch |
| 16:10.41 | kergoth | get off your ass for once. |
| 16:10.43 | absentia | contrusctuve criticism? |
| 16:10.44 | treke_ | absentia: No one submits a patch to fix anything, they just keep telling us what we know |
| 16:10.48 | treke_ | absentia: no, this is bitching |
| 16:10.50 | kolla | absentia: why dont you moan at Sharp to have them make a better setup? :) |
| 16:10.50 | absentia | begging for improvement / changes? |
| 16:10.55 | absentia | pleading for anything? |
| 16:11.08 | kergoth | kolla: probably because sharp cares less about its devices than we do |
| 16:11.17 | absentia | that's the truth. |
| 16:11.19 | kolla | after all.. only reason that OZ exist is because the stuff that comes from Sharp sucks even more :) |
| 16:11.34 | absentia | kergoth: to me... OZ is dead. |
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| 16:11.40 | kolla | kergoth: exactly :) |
| 16:11.42 | kergoth | absentia: good for you. |
| 16:11.46 | absentia | I'm going zdebian ... it has more of a chance of survival that oz, to me. |
| 16:11.47 | kergoth | you seem to imply that i'd give a shit. |
| 16:12.03 | absentia | but, hey, that's just me. perhaps I'll have a different opinion come February. |
| 16:12.13 | kolla | hehe |
| 16:12.17 | kergoth | everything OZ is on hold pending the build infrastructure change |
| 16:12.21 | absentia | kergoth: you seem to imply that I'd want to waste me time working on shit that you keep scret |
| 16:12.24 | kergoth | which you'd know, if you bothered to say, read openzaurus.org |
| 16:12.27 | kergoth | nothing is secret |
| 16:12.30 | kergoth | all source is available |
| 16:12.37 | kolla | anyways.. does debian come with opie? |
| 16:12.37 | absentia | kergoth: oh my fucking god yes |
| 16:12.45 | absentia | your 3 month update... that JUST fucking came out |
| 16:12.51 | kergoth | yep. every line of code released is available. |
| 16:12.53 | absentia | and how long was the oz on hold before that page went up? |
| 16:12.55 | treke_ | absentia: Three months ago this was in the news |
| 16:13.00 | kolla | absentia: what's you problem anyways? |
| 16:13.03 | kolla | your |
| 16:13.06 | absentia | kolla: I'm an asshole. |
| 16:13.09 | absentia | you're |
| 16:13.09 | kergoth | kolla: he thinks we're a company |
| 16:13.10 | kolla | aha :) |
| 16:13.17 | kergoth | like most fucking idiots using open sourcde products |
| 16:13.29 | kergoth | i dont care what your expectations are |
| 16:13.30 | absentia | kolla: it's ok, I wouldn't presume to tell kergoth what he thinks, I'm quite satisfied with him telling me what *I* think. |
| 16:13.30 | kolla | yep.. suckers :) |
| 16:13.32 | kergoth | pay me, and you'll get what you expect. |
| 16:13.42 | absentia | not at all... |
| 16:13.57 | kolla | who cares what you think.. it wont change jack |
| 16:14.02 | absentia | I expect stuff to be good or at least have a reason for sucking. |
| 16:14.03 | kolla | linux will still suck |
| 16:14.05 | kolla | hehe |
| 16:14.24 | kolla | I told you why it sucks... it's linux.. |
| 16:14.24 | kergoth | absentia: time is the primary constraint for OZ/OE, which you've been told time and time again. |
| 16:14.26 | absentia | as an open source user.... I expect nothing. I demand nothing... but I use what works. when something doesn't work. I don't use it. Hence, I don't use oz. |
| 16:14.29 | kergoth | but obviously it fails to sink in. |
| 16:14.40 | absentia | I don't develop or HELP OZ, because it's just not fucking clear... how to. |
| 16:14.49 | kergoth | if something sucks, its due to a lack of time to fix it. |
| 16:14.51 | kergoth | period. |
| 16:14.55 | kolla | absentia: sell you Z and get something else.. like I did :) |
| 16:14.57 | treke_ | absentia: You don't demand anything, but you sure complain a lot |
| 16:14.58 | kolla | your |
| 16:15.03 | kergoth | you cant click on the bk or cvs repositories/ |
| 16:15.06 | kergoth | where all source is stored? |
| 16:15.08 | kergoth | to everything? |
| 16:15.17 | treke_ | And from here, that looks a whole lot like demands |
| 16:15.23 | kergoth | when i want to contribute to a project, i get the source and start hacking. |
| 16:15.24 | kolla | well, only I didnt sell my Z.. I just got something new to play with instead |
| 16:15.28 | kergoth | i dont sit on irc and bitch about inaccessibility |
| 16:15.52 | kolla | absentia: did you try the theKompany.com ROM? |
| 16:16.06 | kolla | at least they are a company you can bitch at |
| 16:16.17 | kolla | even though the rom is put together by some outsider |
| 16:16.31 | kergoth | knowing shawn, they'd probably be even less nice about the complaints than I am |
| 16:16.39 | kolla | hehe |
| 16:16.48 | kolla | btw.. is it any good? I havent tried it |
| 16:17.44 | kergoth | its sharp with tweaks |
| 16:17.51 | kergoth | if you dont like how sharp is put together, like me, it still sucks |
| 16:18.35 | Subway | blargh i'm getting ready to sell my z |
| 16:18.42 | Subway | sick of fighting with bluetooth |
| 16:19.01 | Subway | never use it anymore anyway |
| 16:19.11 | anggarda | I actually threw my Z against the wall and bought another Z. |
| 16:19.23 | kolla | only thing I really hold against the sharp rom is the non-writable filesystem with the symlink hell |
| 16:19.34 | kolla | anggarda: haha |
| 16:19.44 | kergoth | you dont hold teh shell ipkg and shitty ass 'something went wrong' ipkg gui against them? |
| 16:19.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:19.51 | Subway | wow it must be nice to have money to do that |
| 16:19.59 | anggarda | kolla, haha....felt like such an idiot after that. |
| 16:20.10 | kolla | kergoth: I thought that was how ipkg worked anyways :) |
| 16:20.22 | kergoth | kolla: well, it always sucks. but the C version Sucks Less(tm) |
| 16:20.35 | treke_ | it just sucks less in random ways |
| 16:20.41 | Subway | so has anyone in here gotten bluetooth working nicely? |
| 16:20.47 | kergoth | treke_: which vary from release to release |
| 16:20.48 | kolla | Subway: no |
| 16:21.03 | kolla | currently my card only shows up as "anonymous memory" |
| 16:21.09 | Subway | i see a modem |
| 16:21.10 | kolla | I think it's toast |
| 16:21.13 | treke_ | kergoth: I like the current suckage of buildroot's ipkg |
| 16:21.28 | kergoth | treke_: what ver is in buildroot? we're up to 0.99.95 in oe |
| 16:21.29 | treke_ | kergoth: Where it never actually can figure out a package is installed |
| 16:21.32 | Subway | i pop my bluetooth card in, and it says new modem or serieal device detected |
| 16:21.34 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:21.35 | treke_ | kergoth: not sure |
| 16:21.59 | treke_ | kergoth: Every time you install something you get the error: "file foo is provided by unknown package" :p |
| 16:22.05 | kergoth | treke_: oh, i hate that |
| 16:22.29 | treke_ | pb mentioned it might be fixed int he newer releases |
| 16:22.31 | kolla | btw... |
| 16:22.33 | kolla | http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/aros/screenshots/kawai/240x320/calculator.png |
| 16:22.34 | kolla | :) |
| 16:23.44 | Subway | so, how long does buildroot take? |
| 16:24.06 | Subway | and for somethign that is semi stable, do you guys have any suggestions/tweaks? |
| 16:24.24 | kergoth | no suggestions, just run a build. should output something usable |
| 16:24.51 | Subway | mkay |
| 16:24.59 | treke_ | Subway: 3-4 hours |
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| 16:38.00 | kolla | takes forever to get it back from suspend since it wants to scan 768MB worth of filesystems |
| 16:38.11 | kergoth | new launcher will help that. |
| 16:38.15 | kergoth | it scans in the background |
| 16:38.27 | kolla | well, if I was to take control... why the heck scan |
| 16:38.35 | kolla | turn the darn thing off |
| 16:38.42 | kolla | open files from requesters |
| 16:39.13 | kolla | or create a new filesystem alltogether that doesnt have to be scanned |
| 16:39.34 | kolla | anyways... I'm just ranting :) |
| 16:39.55 | kolla | guess the problem will vanish by itself once gigs of storage is avaible |
| 16:40.13 | kolla | and whoever are designing this stuff notices it too |
| 16:40.26 | treke_ | soeone is designing this stuff? |
| 16:40.39 | kolla | treke_: good question |
| 16:41.36 | kolla | also I hate how it remount my CF card after suspend. |
| 16:42.05 | kolla | killing off xmms |
| 16:43.20 | kolla | there have been times that I have walked out of here to get on the bus home, and by the time I finally have music playing, I'm already home |
| 16:45.46 | kolla | wonder if the prism stuff works better with the Sharp rom |
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| 19:18.46 | Subway | ok, question. |
| 19:18.49 | Subway | when doing a buildroot |
| 19:19.13 | Subway | should my arm cross compiling shit be in /usr/local/arm or /usr/local/arm/2.95.3? |
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| 19:21.49 | treke_ | If you use the cross compilers from openzaurus.org, untar the tarballs into /usr/local/arm |
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| 20:56.37 | jerome187 | is there a graphing calcaulator program for zaurus? I need one for school |
| 20:57.26 | ljp | might possibly be a ti emulator. not sure if it graphs. check zsi |
| 21:02.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot ti-87 rom |
| 21:02.40 | | TheMasterMind1: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:02.45 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot ti-89 rom |
| 21:02.46 | | TheMasterMind1: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:02.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot ti rom |
| 21:02.52 | | TheMasterMind1: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:02.58 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot search ti rom |
| 21:02.59 | | TheMasterMind1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:03.06 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 21:03.07 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:03.32 | jerome187 | lol |
| 21:03.47 | jerome187 | ibot suck my nuts :) |
| 21:03.48 | | jerome187: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 21:04.27 | jerome187 | looks like QPlot will work for me http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=134 |
| 21:05.21 | jerome187 | has anyone used it before? I dont have a Zaurus yet, but i think i'm going to buy one instead of a TI-86 |
| 21:06.23 | jdh41 | jerome187: it can probably do more than a calculator |
| 21:06.29 | jdh41 | get one of the C-700s though |
| 21:06.44 | jdh41 | (the clam shell ones) |
| 21:07.37 | jerome187 | i cant afford that (i wish), are the 5500's and good? |
| 21:09.36 | jerome187 | the SL-5500 i mean, i can get one for ~200$ |
| 21:10.44 | jdh41 | yeh quite good, use OZ rather than the default image, we should have Opie 1.0 and kernel 2.4.21 soonish |
| 21:11.02 | jdh41 | good look finding one, they're not sold in the UK anymore |
| 21:11.14 | jdh41 | the SL-5600 may be worth looking into, I don't know |
| 21:12.41 | jerome187 | How much are the C-700s? I saw one go on ebay for 450$ |
| 21:12.51 | TheMasterMind1 | jdh41: soonish =) |
| 21:13.05 | jerome187 | when is soonish? :) |
| 21:13.56 | jdh41 | they're already avliable in sort of beta quality, with some bits not working, last I heard |
| 21:14.16 | jdh41 | but not much work being done until after the build structure migration |
| 21:14.32 | jdh41 | someone may be able to give a more accurate estimate |
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| 21:15.06 | rusty^_^ | hi |
| 21:15.08 | rusty^_^ | folks |
| 21:15.27 | jerome187 | WOW the C-760 is like 700$... definatly cant afford one of those |
| 21:21.41 | jerome187 | is the SL-5000D version of Zaurus supported? |
| 21:24.17 | TheMasterMind1 | yes |
| 21:24.44 | treke_ | 5000d's are pretty much only available used |
| 21:25.11 | jerome187 | yeah, thats OK with me, looks like i can get one for ~150$ or so |
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| 21:30.57 | jdh41 | iirc they;re basically a 5500 with half the memory |
| 21:31.32 | pHluid- | http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C2089/ |
| 21:31.47 | pHluid- | No keyboard :( |
| 21:33.21 | W8TVI | I rather buy another sl5500 before I'd buy another pda that doesnt have a keyboard |
| 21:33.33 | W8TVI | unless it was like $10 for it :P |
| 21:33.52 | pHluid- | Yah, who knows, might be crazy cheap or something |
| 21:33.55 | pHluid- | Lame ass design though |
| 21:34.05 | pHluid- | But it's AMD, so that's a little intriguing |
| 21:34.12 | pHluid- | Wonder how the Alchemy processors fare |
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| 23:12.01 | zlvr | hi kergoth |
| 23:13.09 | zlvr | saw your note on openzaurus.org dated Sep 26 ... you talk of a major bug which is put on hold and which is preventing an official release of OZ for the NEWER Zaurii ... plz let me know what that "major" bug is ? |
| 23:14.22 | treke_ | keyboard handling |
| 23:15.20 | zlvr | oh ! and whats the issue at hand there ? |
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