| 00:02.26 | *** join/#openzaurus bisho (~bisho@213-97-191-136.uc.nombres.ttd.es) |
| 00:02.56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 00:03.19 | bisho | hi |
| 00:03.22 | TheMasterMind1 | sup |
| 00:05.35 | *** join/#openzaurus victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip48.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 00:05.39 | kergoth | hey bisho |
| 00:06.37 | bisho | hi! |
| 00:06.55 | bisho | I'm waiting for my CF to test the kernel... arggg |
| 00:06.56 | bisho | XD |
| 00:08.14 | kergoth | sandman_: you know the raw keycode/scancode for the german modifier? |
| 00:08.30 | kergoth | sandman_: need to add it to my hardware scancode -> input layer keycode map to altgr |
| 00:17.37 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ping |
| 00:18.06 | *** join/#openzaurus lsmith (~vandal@pD9E76559.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:18.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: i have a pcmcia stack trace for you |
| 00:20.23 | Draggy | hmm, how difficult wuold it be to make a version of oz that mounts root off MMC? |
| 00:20.55 | kergoth | Draggy: just put a call to pivot_root in a shtartup script to pivot_root onto cf at some point in the boot process |
| 00:20.58 | kergoth | Draggy: not much to it |
| 00:21.00 | bisho | I have mine with /usr/share and /opt on MMC... |
| 00:21.23 | bisho | 8 Mb free on internal ROM |
| 00:21.36 | Draggy | hmm, might look into it, as Ideally I want the entire file system on external media |
| 00:21.51 | kergoth | Draggy: why? then you arent making use of 16mb of storage space |
| 00:21.54 | kergoth | Draggy: you're wasting 16mb |
| 00:22.20 | bisho | You need at least the module of MMC to be loaded... |
| 00:23.35 | Draggy | call me sillily paranoid.., I guess, or something |
| 00:24.37 | lsmith | Draggy: you are sillily paranoid |
| 00:24.45 | Draggy | yep :P |
| 00:24.47 | lsmith | or just one or the other |
| 00:25.50 | bisho | But I must confess that would be nice to develop... |
| 00:26.09 | bisho | change betwen versions chaging the CF card |
| 00:26.24 | bisho | or to have several users |
| 00:26.24 | Draggy | yeah, that would kinda be the other reason |
| 00:26.25 | bisho | :) |
| 00:26.37 | Draggy | to be able to have a stable work card, and a toying with card |
| 00:26.56 | bisho | It would be possible to have a initrd with the SD module? |
| 00:27.11 | kergoth | bisho: just use openzaurus. |
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| 00:27.28 | kergoth | bisho: create a startup script that runs after sd initialization that does a pivot_root |
| 00:28.47 | bisho | hum... |
| 00:28.51 | bisho | interesting |
| 00:29.03 | bisho | Now I need another SD card to test it... |
| 00:29.04 | bisho | XDDD |
| 00:29.28 | bisho | kergoth: you are using that to try OZ versions? |
| 00:30.27 | kergoth | bisho: nah, waste of time |
| 00:30.34 | kergoth | I'd rather flash it and test it properly |
| 00:30.38 | bisho | :) |
| 00:30.40 | kergoth | it only takes 3 minutes after all |
| 00:30.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:30.52 | kergoth | just keep all my app data and settings and installed apps on sd, no need |
| 00:31.03 | bisho | But it could be interesting for Bussiness users after all... |
| 00:31.39 | bisho | So you only relink the apps? |
| 00:31.58 | bisho | or you have /usr/share /opt linked? |
| 00:31.59 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:32.02 | kergoth | ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 00:32.16 | bisho | interesting... |
| 00:32.16 | kergoth | then a quick couple links for Documents and Settings and Applications |
| 00:34.13 | bisho | kergoth: good luck... |
| 00:34.23 | kergoth | just about done |
| 00:34.23 | *** join/#openzaurus roge99 (~roge99@cpe-68-118-204-89.ma.charter.com) |
| 00:34.23 | kergoth | not much to it |
| 00:34.38 | bisho | :) |
| 00:35.37 | roge99 | hey kergoth hows it going |
| 00:35.46 | kergoth | roge99: good good |
| 00:35.48 | kergoth | roge99: you? |
| 00:35.59 | roge99 | hung over |
| 00:36.13 | roge99 | I went to the pats/jets last night |
| 00:36.32 | roge99 | and drank *way* too much |
| 00:38.03 | kergoth | had a good time then eh? :) |
| 00:38.42 | roge99 | oh yea .... im not much of a football fan but tailgating is fun |
| 00:39.09 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hook me up |
| 00:40.00 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 00:40.03 | TheMasterMind1 | bitchx ignoring you |
| 00:40.05 | TheMasterMind1 | damn bitchx |
| 00:40.16 | TheMasterMind1 | email me / upload .txt somewhere |
| 00:41.10 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not very useful |
| 00:41.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: something got corruptted |
| 00:41.23 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what i can tell, it mentions collie_pcmcia_ops |
| 00:41.29 | TheMasterMind1 | joy |
| 00:41.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and its during the sa1100_pcmcia init |
| 00:41.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the init functions |
| 00:41.54 | TheMasterMind1 | yea |
| 00:41.54 | TheMasterMind1 | figures |
| 00:41.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its a NULL pointer deref, somebody is getting a nULL pointer and is dereferencing it |
| 00:41.59 | TheMasterMind1 | whats deref mean |
| 00:42.06 | kergoth | dereference |
| 00:42.12 | kergoth | its following the pointer |
| 00:42.18 | kergoth | but the pointer is NULL |
| 00:42.22 | kergoth | Bad Things happen |
| 00:42.28 | TheMasterMind1 | hmmm |
| 00:42.31 | TheMasterMind1 | alright |
| 00:42.39 | kergoth | in userspace, that'd be a segfault |
| 00:42.47 | kergoth | but in kernel space.. panic. |
| 00:42.48 | TheMasterMind1 | email me the trace |
| 00:42.57 | TheMasterMind1 | it might help |
| 00:43.17 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: addy? |
| 00:43.59 | TheMasterMind1 | oz@themastermind1.net |
| 00:45.47 | Com[Plex] | hey TheMasterMind1 |
| 00:46.11 | Com[Plex] | I cant backtrace qpe from ssh. it saiys it cannot access memory |
| 00:46.45 | Com[Plex] | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image (no debugging symbols found)... |
| 00:46.45 | Com[Plex] | Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. 0x0009aed0 in ?? () |
| 00:46.45 | Com[Plex] | (gdb) bt |
| 00:46.45 | Com[Plex] | #0 0x0009aed0 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0x0 |
| 00:47.08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you using the qpe from noda's freed? |
| 00:47.11 | kergoth | feed |
| 00:47.11 | Com[Plex] | from the zaurus, it segfaults before loading qpe |
| 00:47.15 | Com[Plex] | yes. |
| 00:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ouch |
| 00:47.28 | Com[Plex] | the keyboard doesnt work either so I cant log in |
| 00:47.52 | Com[Plex] | and there isnt enough room on my jjfs to install all the stuff from the feed. |
| 00:48.00 | sandman_ | kergoth: Which Qt/e version are you using in the OZ buildroot ? |
| 00:48.04 | Com[Plex] | - and Im using the 32mb ram zimage |
| 00:48.23 | kergoth | sandman_: beta2 of 2.3.4 |
| 00:48.24 | lsmith | roflmao: "Since you can only install OZ to a CF card, what is the point of having wireless |
| 00:48.24 | lsmith | drivers included - as wireless cards are CF cards too, and the Zaurus can have only one CF at the time? |
| 00:48.33 | lsmith | arent there sd wlan cards yet? ;-) |
| 00:48.50 | kergoth | lsmith: install "to a cf card"? are they nuts? |
| 00:48.55 | kergoth | lsmith: heh |
| 00:49.04 | lsmith | was a question on the forums .. |
| 00:49.13 | kergoth | idiots |
| 00:49.18 | lsmith | short attention spans |
| 00:49.22 | kergoth | you use a cf to install *FROM* |
| 00:49.23 | sandman_ | kergoth: hmm .. I only test against newer snapshots on the iPAQ |
| 00:49.24 | kergoth | not *TO* |
| 00:49.25 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:49.37 | kergoth | sandman_: latest snapshot segfaults in QGList::append() as of a week or two ago |
| 00:49.38 | Com[Plex] | hahaha |
| 00:49.46 | lsmith | reminds me of the editorial on the current c't mag .. people buying "original packages of a gforce 4 card" for 300 euros |
| 00:49.53 | kergoth | sandman_: havent touched the buildroot stuff in over a week |
| 00:50.02 | lsmith | thinking they were buying an "originally packaged gforce 4 card" |
| 00:51.50 | Com[Plex] | TheMasterMind1: what should I do now? |
| 00:55.09 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 00:55.42 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth email? |
| 00:57.41 | *** join/#openzaurus TeaX (~tx@ppp-182-153.27-151.libero.it) |
| 01:05.38 | Com[Plex] | you talking to me? |
| 01:08.42 | Com[Plex] | not much I can do to help, if no one will tell me what to do next.. |
| 01:08.48 | Twiun | woohoo... drugmoney loads, big gray windows granted, but it loads! |
| 01:09.04 | Com[Plex] | chuckle |
| 01:09.10 | kergoth | Twiun: nice. |
| 01:09.17 | Com[Plex] | its a java app isnt it? |
| 01:09.21 | Twiun | yup |
| 01:09.27 | Twiun | it's my baseline test |
| 01:09.45 | Com[Plex] | do you think my old visual j++ cd is compatable with modern day java apps? |
| 01:09.47 | Twiun | a random, reasonable complex java game |
| 01:09.52 | Twiun | rofl |
| 01:09.54 | *** join/#openzaurus prpplague (~joebob@21-190.lctv-b4.cablelynx.com) |
| 01:10.10 | Twiun | er. I suppose you *could* get a little dev done in vj++... |
| 01:10.20 | Twiun | but you'd be best off getting a java ide |
| 01:10.22 | Com[Plex] | I have a little java app I would like to modify, and I havent got a clue where to start |
| 01:10.43 | Com[Plex] | I got the latest java sdk from sun, but I am baffled where to begin. |
| 01:10.50 | Twiun | right. |
| 01:10.55 | Com[Plex] | I was expecting prety icons :> |
| 01:11.02 | Twiun | the sdk doesn't contain any frills ;-) |
| 01:11.06 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 01:11.12 | Twiun | all you get is the runtime, the compiler and the debugger |
| 01:11.18 | Com[Plex] | so I need an ide. whats an ide? :> |
| 01:11.20 | Twiun | (plus other commandline stuff) |
| 01:11.30 | Twiun | vj++ is an ide |
| 01:11.38 | Twiun | what OS are you using? |
| 01:11.43 | Twiun | windows? |
| 01:11.49 | Com[Plex] | of course |
| 01:12.05 | Twiun | cool, 256mb+ ram? |
| 01:12.10 | Com[Plex] | 512 |
| 01:12.16 | Twiun | wonderful |
| 01:12.23 | Com[Plex] | xp 2000+ |
| 01:12.24 | Twiun | then take yourself to netbeans.org |
| 01:12.30 | Com[Plex] | www.netbeans.org |
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| 01:13.12 | Twiun | yup, and download the netbeans windows installer ;-) |
| 01:13.27 | Twiun | that'll get you a purdy icon on your desktop - eventually |
| 01:13.34 | Com[Plex] | sweet :> |
| 01:13.36 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 01:13.45 | Com[Plex] | still need the sdk tho right? |
| 01:13.50 | Twiun | yeah |
| 01:13.57 | Twiun | netbeans is itself a java app |
| 01:14.23 | Com[Plex] | coo |
| 01:14.31 | Com[Plex] | wow. I appreciate your help :> |
| 01:14.48 | Twiun | happy to give it ;-) |
| 01:14.56 | Com[Plex] | one quick question. - I have a java app allread compiled.. will I be able to explore it within this? |
| 01:15.03 | Com[Plex] | its a jar file iird |
| 01:15.05 | Com[Plex] | iirc |
| 01:15.08 | Twiun | hrm... not easily |
| 01:15.22 | Twiun | netbeans hasn't got disassembly incorporated into it yet |
| 01:15.35 | Twiun | for that, take yourself to jode.sf.net ;-) |
| 01:15.44 | Com[Plex] | woop! |
| 01:15.46 | Twiun | full blown java decompiler |
| 01:15.57 | Com[Plex] | graphical? haha |
| 01:16.00 | Twiun | yup |
| 01:16.38 | Com[Plex] | this netbeans site, theres two links here, IDE and platform. - do I need both? |
| 01:16.47 | Twiun | get the latest jar file then, from the command line, run <path_to_java.exe>\java -jar <the_jar_i_want_disassembled> |
| 01:16.53 | Twiun | no, just the ide |
| 01:17.15 | Twiun | people have used the platform to make other things - the ide is a showcase of the platform |
| 01:17.38 | Com[Plex] | okay.. |
| 01:18.01 | Twiun | netbeans used to be 14mb... wtf did they do to bulk it up to 27? |
| 01:18.06 | Twiun | the mind boggles |
| 01:19.07 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. lets see.. ah yes. would netbeans run better under windows or linux? |
| 01:19.36 | Com[Plex] | I use linux in a vmware shell for most of my - uh.. whats the word... "tinkering" with the zaurus.. |
| 01:19.37 | Twiun | either ;-) |
| 01:20.00 | Twiun | although I'd imagine it will be happiest not running in a virtualised machine |
| 01:20.04 | Com[Plex] | ive become prety versed in vi. lol |
| 01:20.14 | Com[Plex] | well. usually I ssh into it. heheh |
| 01:20.23 | Twiun | I use gvim for my java dev on the desktop |
| 01:20.24 | Com[Plex] | but that doesnt help when in a gui.. |
| 01:20.35 | Com[Plex] | cool |
| 01:20.47 | Twiun | ides have too many bells and whistles for this kind of dev |
| 01:21.39 | Com[Plex] | hey, I got another quesetion. how can I "install" stuff into the qvfb thingy in linux? |
| 01:21.52 | kergoth | there is no 'install' |
| 01:21.54 | kergoth | you just run it |
| 01:21.55 | Com[Plex] | I want to run a java app in a window on the zaurus frambuffer virtual machine |
| 01:22.05 | Com[Plex] | but I dont know if the jeode stuff is there.. |
| 01:22.10 | kergoth | damnit |
| 01:22.14 | Com[Plex] | I wonder how I would do that. |
| 01:22.23 | Com[Plex] | ah well. better throw that into my todo list |
| 01:22.33 | Twiun | you wouldn't be able to... |
| 01:22.37 | Com[Plex] | no? |
| 01:22.48 | Twiun | the framebuffer virtual machine is running on x86 |
| 01:22.58 | Twiun | jeode (as supplied) is an arm binary |
| 01:23.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:23.26 | kergoth | i just realized |
| 01:23.32 | kergoth | i've not purchased any of my xmas gitss |
| 01:23.35 | kergoth | and tomrorow is xmas eve |
| 01:23.36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:23.42 | kergoth | s/gitss/gifts/ |
| 01:23.50 | Com[Plex] | ahh damn |
| 01:23.53 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: remember, the Java vm is implemented in C (and compiled for each platform) |
| 01:24.07 | Com[Plex] | can I get it as source? |
| 01:24.15 | Twiun | Jeode? HAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:24.21 | Com[Plex] | hehe.. damn |
| 01:24.27 | Twiun | sorry |
| 01:24.28 | *** join/#openzaurus JasonNJ (~perlow@ool-435125f3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:24.32 | Com[Plex] | why?> do they charge for it? |
| 01:24.35 | Twiun | hey Jason |
| 01:24.43 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 01:24.44 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: jeode is a commercial product. |
| 01:24.56 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: www.insignia.com |
| 01:24.58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: keyboard driver works great in 2.4.19. i just logged in with it |
| 01:25.05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: :) |
| 01:25.06 | JasonNJ | wicked. |
| 01:25.10 | JasonNJ | so what is left to fix? |
| 01:25.15 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: that's why we're getting OZ some oss alternatives |
| 01:25.17 | JasonNJ | pcmcia and audio? |
| 01:25.22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nothing is harcoded. you can completely customize the Fn+key mappings on your own |
| 01:25.36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: battery status checking, some power management bits, pcmcai, sound |
| 01:25.51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: couple other small things likthe backlight.. but i'm about done with that now |
| 01:26.05 | JasonNJ | pcmcia is the only one that is REQUIRED I think before you can do a prerelease with that kernel |
| 01:26.22 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Drugmoney loads on wonka - all it does is fill the screen with empty windows, but it loads! |
| 01:26.28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: -then- i have to create a sharp compatibility module to provide the /dev/sharp_* interfaces, as a number of them are no longer necessary |
| 01:26.30 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 01:26.43 | JasonNJ | drugmoney is a pretty complex app |
| 01:27.00 | Twiun | yup, I'm using that as the baseline for now |
| 01:27.01 | JasonNJ | as is that paddleball game.. |
| 01:27.08 | JasonNJ | javanoid |
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| 01:27.39 | kergoth | hey DaJoker |
| 01:27.49 | DaJoker | heya kergoth |
| 01:27.53 | DaJoker | how comes the new kernel? |
| 01:28.00 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 01:28.07 | Twiun | yeah, javanoid is nice |
| 01:28.23 | kergoth | DaJoker: keyboard driver works great, i just logged in and listed files and shit in console |
| 01:28.32 | DaJoker | excellent |
| 01:28.36 | kergoth | woo |
| 01:28.38 | kergoth | backlight works |
| 01:28.40 | kergoth | i can actually see wtf i'm typing now |
| 01:28.42 | kergoth | ! |
| 01:28.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:28.55 | DaJoker | LOL |
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| 01:32.05 | Twiun | hey Piete |
| 01:32.17 | Piete | Merry Xmas :) |
| 01:32.26 | kergoth | hey Piete |
| 01:32.27 | Piete | (well, almost) |
| 01:32.31 | kergoth | okay tomorrow |
| 01:32.38 | kergoth | i need to buy xmas presents |
| 01:32.40 | kergoth | with the rest of the late shoppers |
| 01:32.42 | kergoth | or something |
| 01:32.45 | Piete | Likewise |
| 01:33.28 | Piete | I read somewhere that usbnet(no d), now talks to the zaurus? Anyone tried it? |
| 01:33.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:33.38 | kergoth | works |
| 01:33.43 | kergoth | doesnt crash your box like usbdnet |
| 01:33.45 | kergoth | so hey |
| 01:33.47 | Piete | cool! 2.4.20 right? |
| 01:33.48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:33.57 | kergoth | 2.4.21-pre/rc |
| 01:34.02 | Piete | ahh, ok |
| 01:34.05 | kergoth | or 2.4.20 + usbnet zaurus patch |
| 01:34.27 | Piete | What are you using? |
| 01:34.36 | Piete | .20 or .21/rc |
| 01:34.40 | kergoth | I'm on a win2k box at my house atm |
| 01:34.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:34.53 | kergoth | at work i'm using a .20 + patch |
| 01:34.59 | kergoth | as .21 prereleases werent avail at the time |
| 01:35.01 | Piete | *cough* *cough* ok :) |
| 01:35.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk pull to get the collie frontlight support |
| 01:35.26 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember to copy the def-configs/collie again, as i enabled teh collie backlight |
| 01:36.03 | kergoth | okay, I think I'll take on battery status checking or pcmcia next |
| 01:36.23 | Piete | I can't access kernel.org's website for some reason :/ Ftp works though |
| 01:37.09 | Twiun | g'night guys |
| 01:37.22 | Piete | Nite :) I hope santa brings you what you want :) |
| 01:37.41 | Piete | *cough* C-700* |
| 01:38.06 | kergoth | night Twiun[Zzzzz] |
| 01:40.34 | Piete | kergoth: I feel really stupid, but I can't seem to find that patch :/ |
| 01:41.09 | Com[Plex] | hmm..qpe-appROM_1.5.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 01:41.42 | kergoth | Piete: search the archives of the linux-usb-devel mailing list |
| 01:42.24 | Piete | okie |
| 01:45.29 | JasonNJ | why everyone wants a C700 for xmas is beyond me |
| 01:45.37 | Com[Plex] | why? have you used one? |
| 01:45.43 | JasonNJ | you can friggin have mine :) |
| 01:45.47 | Com[Plex] | yeah right |
| 01:45.51 | Com[Plex] | Ill buy it off ya |
| 01:45.58 | Com[Plex] | whats not to like about it? |
| 01:46.00 | JasonNJ | I cant sell it to you |
| 01:46.06 | JasonNJ | its a prototype. :) |
| 01:46.11 | Com[Plex] | then give it to me, and Ill give you a buinch of money' |
| 01:46.15 | Com[Plex] | whats not to like about it? |
| 01:46.16 | Piete | JasonNJ: well, appart from its small amount of ram, its bigger kbd and higer(*cough*) res is great |
| 01:46.28 | JasonNJ | yeah, and the 20 minute battery life! |
| 01:46.36 | Com[Plex] | hehe. yeah, typical of a zaurus. |
| 01:46.39 | Piete | :-o |
| 01:46.40 | JasonNJ | why do you think we didnt take the product in the US? |
| 01:46.52 | Com[Plex] | why dont they jsut stuff a bigger battery in there?? |
| 01:46.59 | JasonNJ | well... |
| 01:46.59 | Com[Plex] | do they japanese LIKE shot batteries?? |
| 01:47.01 | Com[Plex] | short |
| 01:47.03 | JasonNJ | cause it dont fit? |
| 01:47.10 | Piete | JasonNJ: why such a small battery life? I thought it was basically the same as a SL-5500 in another package |
| 01:47.16 | JasonNJ | no way. |
| 01:47.16 | Piete | oh |
| 01:47.21 | Com[Plex] | well the 1700mah batt doesnt fit in the z either, thats why tyhe 5600 will have a Hump, right? |
| 01:47.26 | JasonNJ | Its a 5600 in a different package |
| 01:47.31 | Piete | sorry, I don't read om the screen while I type :) |
| 01:47.31 | Piete | lol |
| 01:47.32 | JasonNJ | yep, thats why it has a hump. |
| 01:47.43 | Com[Plex] | I can deal with a hump |
| 01:48.00 | H4NZ0 | 20 minutes.. %-0 |
| 01:48.02 | Piete | hell, I can head with an extra centimeter covering the whole back |
| 01:48.07 | Piete | DEAL |
| 01:48.10 | JasonNJ | well, to make that form factor palatable to the american market, it cant have ANY hump. |
| 01:48.10 | Piete | ERH |
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| 01:48.19 | JasonNJ | that means a slot has to go |
| 01:48.21 | Com[Plex] | "just integrate it" make it a long battery insstead of short and stuby |
| 01:48.37 | JasonNJ | which means, we need to have integrated bluetooth and wifi |
| 01:48.38 | Com[Plex] | whatever. they have allready built it. not gonna change ti now |
| 01:48.50 | Com[Plex] | hmm. |
| 01:49.00 | JasonNJ | Com: yeah, no kidding, they dont listen to me for squat :) |
| 01:49.05 | Com[Plex] | the battery really is short huh? |
| 01:49.17 | Com[Plex] | short as hell on my z. |
| 01:49.23 | JasonNJ | yes, very short. |
| 01:49.29 | JasonNJ | Its the same battery the 5500 uses. |
| 01:49.50 | Piete | JasonNJ: what about that new battery that creates power from leftovers? Add a french-fry slot, and head over to Mc'Ds for a recharge :) |
| 01:49.57 | JasonNJ | so imagine a 5500, with a processor and screen that eats up twice the battery draw with the same battery. |
| 01:50.05 | Com[Plex] | hey jason, do you know fi the service place uses refurbished parts? I just got my zaurus reflashed, but the service order says they replaced the baord in it. - but now my power plug is flaking out, every time I move the zaurus, the chargingh light goes out |
| 01:50.31 | JasonNJ | dunno, I've never been to the Chicago service center |
| 01:50.40 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 01:50.45 | Com[Plex] | I think Im gonna call em tomorrow.. |
| 01:50.46 | JasonNJ | I doubt they use refurbished parts, there isnt anything that can be refurbished anyways. |
| 01:50.53 | Com[Plex] | I see.. |
| 01:51.06 | Com[Plex] | Im surprised they didnt just reflash the jtag. but. what do I know |
| 01:51.28 | JasonNJ | C700 is also slow as hell too |
| 01:51.36 | Piete | thats sad |
| 01:51.39 | Piete | its so purdy |
| 01:51.44 | JasonNJ | I hope we get those issues hammered out before the 5600 ships |
| 01:52.06 | JasonNJ | hell, I'll probably be dead before it ships, what do I care? hahahahahahahahahhaahahha |
| 01:52.26 | H4NZ0 | just dump the cf.. :) |
| 01:52.40 | JasonNJ | H4: that is our current recommendation, yes. |
| 01:52.50 | JasonNJ | we're looking at an integrated BT/wifi chip |
| 01:53.10 | Com[Plex] | !!! |
| 01:53.12 | Com[Plex] | NO!!! |
| 01:53.14 | Piete | H4NZ0: no!! |
| 01:53.19 | Com[Plex] | Dont dump the cf port! |
| 01:53.34 | JasonNJ | Dude, chill, there will always be a Z with a CF |
| 01:53.36 | Piete | geez, if I had a choice I'd add ANOTHER CF port |
| 01:53.37 | Com[Plex] | ahh hell. what do I care. its not coming to the us anyway |
| 01:53.39 | JasonNJ | there will be more than one model |
| 01:53.40 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 01:54.12 | JasonNJ | the objective is to have 3 different SKU's for sale at a time |
| 01:54.25 | Piete | I'm only about an hour's flight away from japan |
| 01:54.27 | JasonNJ | right now, we're workin on 2 |
| 01:54.30 | Piete | but I'm not going there :) |
| 01:55.00 | Com[Plex] | how much do these thigns cost in japan? and are they even released yet ? - over there I mean.. |
| 01:55.00 | H4NZ0 | jason: yeah.. BT will be really cool :) |
| 01:55.04 | Com[Plex] | screw BT |
| 01:55.07 | Com[Plex] | who uses BT anyway? |
| 01:55.09 | Com[Plex] | bt is a Joke |
| 01:55.23 | JasonNJ | The C700 has been released in Japan in LIMITED quantities |
| 01:55.30 | JasonNJ | they basically test marketed it |
| 01:55.30 | kergoth | BT has a great deal of potential |
| 01:55.31 | Com[Plex] | how expensive is it? |
| 01:55.46 | JasonNJ | hmm like 600 bucks I think |
| 01:55.55 | JasonNJ | maybe 7 |
| 01:55.56 | Com[Plex] | when I think "700$" IO think about how much it hurts to eb beated with a sharp axe |
| 01:56.02 | Piete | My mother stepped on my laptop :/ its goner |
| 01:56.09 | Com[Plex] | OH NO! |
| 01:56.09 | Piete | mobo snapped right in half |
| 01:56.13 | Com[Plex] | sone of a bitch |
| 01:56.14 | Piete | not to mention the LCD |
| 01:56.14 | kergoth | Piete: ack |
| 01:56.57 | Piete | damn, for $700 I can get a 'real' lappy, and run linux on it |
| 01:57.09 | Piete | sure, not top of the line, but still faster |
| 01:57.13 | JasonNJ | basically the C700 is a beta product... the software hasnt been truly finalized. They expect to ship a whole nother lot of them with a better working rom |
| 01:57.31 | JasonNJ | we got the quote unquote "final" rom today |
| 01:57.52 | JasonNJ | the japanese are very strange with product releases |
| 01:58.01 | JasonNJ | they see their population as one big beta test |
| 01:58.15 | JasonNJ | then they unleash it on us poor americans :) |
| 01:58.17 | Com[Plex] | well. how do they afford this stuff ?? |
| 01:58.32 | JasonNJ | the 5500 is a unique product in that it was tested on the americans BEFORE the japanese |
| 01:58.44 | JasonNJ | that almost NEVER happens |
| 01:58.54 | JasonNJ | com: because the japanese are freaks about toys. |
| 01:59.06 | JasonNJ | its in their blood. |
| 01:59.37 | Com[Plex] | but, i thought it was a poor country.. I thought that normal civilians didnt get good paying jobs.. |
| 01:59.42 | Com[Plex] | or is that china.. |
| 02:00.18 | JasonNJ | nah, unemployment is rare in japan. |
| 02:00.21 | Piete | bwhahahahahaha |
| 02:00.27 | Com[Plex] | awesome |
| 02:00.35 | JasonNJ | do you realize that getting fired is as traumatic as divorce for a japanese? |
| 02:00.38 | Piete | Com[Plex]: you made my day, thanks :) |
| 02:00.45 | Piete | JasonNJ: here in korea too |
| 02:00.49 | JasonNJ | like, it used to be that you joined a company, and you never left |
| 02:00.53 | Com[Plex] | hehe. tgars funny |
| 02:01.01 | Com[Plex] | tgars = thats |
| 02:01.09 | JasonNJ | now, as companies are starting to downsize, people actually have to worry about writing resumes and stuff |
| 02:01.14 | JasonNJ | its very traumatic for them |
| 02:01.24 | JasonNJ | Piete: I thought everyone worked for Hyundai! |
| 02:01.33 | Piete | JasonNJ: nahh |
| 02:01.36 | ljp | getting hired would be traumatic for me |
| 02:01.42 | Draggy | is it just me or does FM advanced ( and infact, file open dialogs? ) not deal with symlinked files correctly in general? |
| 02:02.01 | kergoth | Draggy: i beelieve thats fixed in cvs |
| 02:02.05 | ljp | like how so? how should it act? |
| 02:02.25 | Draggy | well, it tries to open them as if the file name was name + link, rather than just name? |
| 02:02.38 | ljp | ya, that should be fixed |
| 02:02.47 | ljp | or I thought I fixed that |
| 02:02.52 | Draggy | right, good, driving me up the wall right now :P |
| 02:02.56 | Piete | I gotta run guys :) Hope you enjoy Xmas :) |
| 02:03.04 | Draggy | :) |
| 02:03.18 | ljp | I hate shopping |
| 02:03.46 | Draggy | still pretty new at linux and such, so I'm currently tracing through the boot process scripts.. |
| 02:07.04 | ljp | my dad's first wife was/is Japanese |
| 02:08.01 | ljp | anyone know a web interface to irc ? |
| 02:08.21 | ljp | so I can be lazy and irc from my new webpal |
| 02:08.25 | ljp | heh |
| 02:11.04 | sandman_ | kergoth: just tested a rsynced qte snapshot with Opie CVS on the iPAQ .. no problems |
| 02:11.16 | sandman_ | kergoth: I'm now compiling qte beta2 |
| 02:11.44 | ljp | thats crazy! |
| 02:11.50 | sandman_ | kergoth: which moc/uic are you using .. the ones from beta2 or from a newer snapshot ? |
| 02:20.09 | sandman_ | hmm .. qte beta2 with a rsynced moc works too |
| 02:21.37 | sandman_ | Com[Plex]: ping ? |
| 02:22.07 | Com[Plex] | png |
| 02:22.37 | Com[Plex] | pong |
| 02:22.40 | Com[Plex] | whats up sandman_ |
| 02:22.49 | sandman_ | where is this feed with the segfaulting binaries ? |
| 02:22.58 | Com[Plex] | uh... onme second |
| 02:23.21 | Com[Plex] | its noda.. uh. adam something.. |
| 02:23.38 | Com[Plex] | http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/feed" |
| 02:23.43 | sandman_ | thanks |
| 02:24.12 | Com[Plex] | by the way, Im using a 5000d, with 32m ram exclusive. I think I ran out of space on my jjfs. - not sure.. |
| 02:24.14 | sandman_ | i can't reproduce it on the iPAQ with my builds -- I'll use the Z binaries on the iPAQ now .. |
| 02:24.51 | Com[Plex] | I coudl try again,. - isntead of isntalling Everythign,. I could jsut upgrade the packs in question, right?? |
| 02:25.24 | sandman_ | Com[Plex]: wouldn't help IMHO .. Onyx also said that all binaries segfault |
| 02:25.49 | Com[Plex] | Oh |
| 02:26.03 | Com[Plex] | I tried gdbing it, but I couldnt get anywhere. |
| 02:26.10 | sandman_ | it's just that noda compiled a debug version |
| 02:26.18 | Com[Plex] | I pasted the output of gdbs bt |
| 02:26.22 | sandman_ | didn't help though ;) |
| 02:26.27 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 02:27.08 | sandman_ | An error occured while loading http://www.adamhooper.com:4243/feed: |
| 02:27.08 | sandman_ | Timeout on server |
| 02:27.24 | *** part/#openzaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 02:27.30 | Com[Plex] | i know.. but I can download the ipks from it |
| 02:27.43 | Com[Plex] | rather. ipkg upgrade still dowenloaded from there |
| 02:27.55 | Com[Plex] | mayeb its unstable and kept dropping out.. I dunno |
| 02:28.06 | sandman_ | Com[Plex]: could you mail me the qpe binary and the libqpe.so.1.5.0 ? |
| 02:28.21 | Com[Plex] | uh.. I just flashed... I lsot em |
| 02:28.24 | Com[Plex] | lost |
| 02:28.30 | sandman_ | hehe |
| 02:28.46 | sandman_ | ok .. forget it |
| 02:28.53 | Com[Plex] | hang on. I cvan get them again I think |
| 02:28.55 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 02:29.00 | sandman_ | I'm going to bed now .. |
| 02:29.24 | sandman_ | I'll try again tomorrow |
| 02:29.40 | sandman_ | g'night all |
| 02:29.44 | kergoth | night sandman_ |
| 02:29.58 | sandman|zzzZZZzz | kergoth: which moc/uic are you using .. the ones from beta2 or from a newer snapshot ? |
| 02:30.17 | *** join/#openzaurus tag (~tag@ool-435542fe.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:30.25 | tag | eh |
| 02:30.26 | kergoth | sandman|zzzZZZzz: afaicr we tried both .. but its been a while, idont recall the details |
| 02:30.36 | tag | Where am I supposed to download .ipk's to install them? (downloading them directly) |
| 02:30.44 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:30.52 | kergoth | put them anywehre the docs tab can find them, same as sharp rom |
| 02:31.00 | tag | ah |
| 02:31.18 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.22 | kergoth | Documents, whatever |
| 02:31.25 | kergoth | cant type |
| 02:37.42 | tag | ! |
| 02:37.53 | tag | I put it in /home/root/Documents/text/plain/. and I still dont see it :( |
| 02:38.31 | H4NZ0 | not there |
| 02:38.36 | tag | there it is |
| 02:38.39 | H4NZ0 | Documents/application/ipkg |
| 02:39.23 | tag | I dont have anything installed |
| 02:39.25 | tag | so I didn't see that |
| 02:40.03 | kergoth | tag: you dont know how to use mkdir? |
| 02:41.06 | tag | uh |
| 02:41.10 | tag | I was trying to install the terminal |
| 02:41.10 | tag | hahah |
| 02:41.14 | tag | I cant use mkdir without bash |
| 02:41.17 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:41.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:41.29 | kergoth | just copy it to the root of /home/root/Documents |
| 02:41.33 | kergoth | should be fine |
| 02:41.41 | tag | I have it installed |
| 02:41.44 | tag | just trying to telnet out |
| 02:41.50 | tag | :) |
| 02:41.55 | tag | this is so dope |
| 02:43.43 | tag | is there an alternative terminal for this? |
| 02:44.14 | kergoth | tag: first of all, #zaurus is the correct place |
| 02:44.19 | tag | oh |
| 02:44.19 | kergoth | tag: second, http:/killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 02:44.52 | tag | #zaurus just isn't as happening as #openzaurus |
| 02:45.34 | kergoth | #openzaurus is for openzaurus discussion. you obviously have a sharp rom without anything on it. hence you're off topic |
| 02:45.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:47.28 | tag | oic |
| 02:49.53 | DaJoker | kergoth: oh come on.. if you can talk OZ on z-g@sf, why not talk sharp here? :) |
| 02:50.12 | kergoth | DaJoker: oz is on topic for z-g, not vice versa :) |
| 02:50.28 | DaJoker | hehe.. |
| 02:59.36 | JasonNJ | OZ is da bomb. |
| 03:00.35 | ljp | and bombs occasionally blow up |
| 03:02.30 | Com[Plex] | ting-a-ling |
| 03:05.03 | kergoth | okay time to clean up usbd a bit |
| 03:05.33 | kergoth | that oughta be sufficient. now to get pcmcia going |
| 03:06.52 | Com[Plex] | haha |
| 03:10.37 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:14.30 | prpplague | kergoth: ew, pcmcia |
| 03:14.47 | kergoth | prpplague: no kidding |
| 03:14.57 | kergoth | prpplague: i hate the whole pcmcia system, i look forward to the rewrite anxiously |
| 03:16.32 | *** join/#openzaurus BZFlag (~timr@rikers.org) |
| 03:16.32 | kergoth | haha, thats what it looks like alright |
| 03:17.29 | ljp | no.. jffs2 is alien technology |
| 03:24.12 | H4NZ0 | whats jffs2 ? |
| 03:30.12 | kergoth | ibot: tell H4NZ0 about jffs2 |
| 03:32.57 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth wassup |
| 03:33.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: backlight works :) fixed the unresolved symbol in usbd |
| 03:36.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I think I'll put in the AC_IN/battery charging piece next |
| 03:37.27 | TheMasterMind1 | sweet sweet |
| 03:37.31 | TheMasterMind1 | i didn't get that email |
| 03:37.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna see the pcmcia tracd |
| 03:37.38 | TheMasterMind1 | tracd |
| 03:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | trace! |
| 03:38.14 | *** join/#openzaurus rabbit_uk (~chatzilla@host81-7-54-10.surfport24.v21.co.uk) |
| 03:39.44 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 03:40.35 | TheMasterMind1 | am i still connected |
| 03:40.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot die |
| 03:40.40 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 03:40.44 | TheMasterMind1 | good |
| 03:41.23 | TheMasterMind1 | lol, "reverting pcmcia patch, starting from scratch" |
| 03:41.27 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess you're working on it then |
| 03:42.49 | TheMasterMind1 | hello? anyone? |
| 03:43.57 | rabbit_uk | hello TMM1! |
| 03:44.05 | TheMasterMind1 | hey rabbit |
| 03:44.43 | rabbit_uk | r u guys using tmake to compile OZ? |
| 03:45.04 | TheMasterMind1 | qmake iirc |
| 03:45.06 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
| 03:45.13 | kergoth | # lsmod |
| 03:45.14 | kergoth | Module Size Used by |
| 03:45.14 | kergoth | sa1100_bi 39184 0 (unused) |
| 03:45.14 | kergoth | net_fd 25040 0 (unused) |
| 03:45.14 | kergoth | usbdcore 34880 0 [sa1100_bi net_fd] |
| 03:45.16 | kergoth | usbdmonitor 5536 0 |
| 03:45.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:45.21 | kergoth | ^^on 2.4.19 |
| 03:45.26 | JasonNJ | kergoth, you might want to put in the instructions that the file is to be named "zimage" not "zImage" |
| 03:45.32 | rabbit_uk | just wondered how popular this tmake thing is. |
| 03:45.37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: eh? zImage works fine. |
| 03:45.42 | JasonNJ | does it? |
| 03:45.43 | JasonNJ | really? |
| 03:45.50 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:45.52 | JasonNJ | I always use zimage |
| 03:45.57 | kergoth | dood, its vfat |
| 03:46.02 | kergoth | not case sensitive, afaik |
| 03:46.04 | JasonNJ | oh yeah. |
| 03:46.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:46.22 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 03:46.34 | TheMasterMind1 | oh, JasonNJ |
| 03:46.35 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot hancom |
| 03:46.41 | | try zsi hancom, or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/files/Sl-5000d.zip |
| 03:46.41 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 03:46.41 | kergoth | our usbdmonitor isnt working |
| 03:46.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth whats that do? |
| 03:47.05 | kergoth | it fails to register the irq it needs to pick up when you plug the Z into the cradle |
| 03:47.26 | kergoth | i'm working on it |
| 03:47.34 | TheMasterMind1 | i see |
| 03:47.52 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme the pcmcia trace so i can work on that! |
| 03:47.56 | kergoth | i threw in smallfonts |
| 03:48.00 | kergoth | so we have a 4x6 font again |
| 03:48.05 | JasonNJ | when did we start provding a zip file of hancom on zaurus.com ? |
| 03:48.16 | kergoth | oh, and that 3 pixel blank spot on the bottom of the console... |
| 03:48.21 | kergoth | its a consequence of using the 4x6 font. 8x8 doesnt see it |
| 03:48.26 | kergoth | i'll look into fixing that later |
| 03:48.30 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ *shrug* |
| 03:48.41 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ that's where it takes you when you enter your Z's serial number iirc |
| 03:48.50 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 03:49.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kinda insecure :) |
| 03:49.02 | JasonNJ | spencer must have put that up |
| 03:49.30 | JasonNJ | he's been downloading all sorts of crap to that box today |
| 03:49.47 | TheMasterMind1 | you should have the php script readin and output the zipfile, so its not accessable without actually going through the process |
| 03:49.59 | TheMasterMind1 | or just leave it and make our lives easier :) |
| 03:50.14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth oh, really.. |
| 03:50.22 | TheMasterMind1 | i guess that makes sense |
| 03:50.30 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:51.55 | JasonNJ | those dynamism guys are really pissing me off |
| 03:52.01 | TheMasterMind1 | me too |
| 03:52.05 | TheMasterMind1 | they shoulda used OZ |
| 03:52.07 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 03:52.11 | TheMasterMind1 | and sent us c700s |
| 03:52.19 | JasonNJ | well, they cant exactly without a kernel for kergoth to compile |
| 03:52.22 | kergoth | used OZ? when opie isnt released? |
| 03:52.24 | kergoth | are you nuts? |
| 03:52.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:52.31 | kergoth | that too |
| 03:52.44 | TheMasterMind1 | blah |
| 03:52.46 | TheMasterMind1 | go away |
| 03:52.46 | JasonNJ | the ROM format would help too |
| 03:52.48 | TheMasterMind1 | :) |
| 03:52.54 | JasonNJ | considering its in like, 7 peices |
| 03:52.57 | TheMasterMind1 | i just want a c700 |
| 03:53.00 | JasonNJ | its not one single rom image file |
| 03:53.08 | JasonNJ | its like, several files |
| 03:53.15 | TheMasterMind1 | interesting |
| 03:53.18 | TheMasterMind1 | inside knowledge |
| 03:53.24 | JasonNJ | yeah I dont like the way they did it |
| 03:53.30 | TheMasterMind1 | wonder if thats in those docs you found kergoth |
| 03:53.33 | JasonNJ | and also, the rom burning process is like 20 steps |
| 03:53.35 | JasonNJ | its nasty |
| 03:53.39 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 03:53.43 | TheMasterMind1 | painful |
| 03:53.50 | TheMasterMind1 | but i want one still! |
| 03:53.53 | JasonNJ | actually 17 steps but they are working on getting it down |
| 03:54.32 | JasonNJ | TMM: you dont want one, trust me. |
| 03:54.41 | TheMasterMind1 | but they're so cool |
| 03:54.43 | TheMasterMind1 | no? |
| 03:54.48 | JasonNJ | yeah, for about 20 minutes |
| 03:54.51 | JasonNJ | its slow |
| 03:54.55 | JasonNJ | eats power like crazy |
| 03:54.57 | TheMasterMind1 | really? |
| 03:54.59 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:55.00 | TheMasterMind1 | damn xscale.. |
| 03:55.04 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:55.06 | JasonNJ | damn xscale |
| 03:55.12 | JasonNJ | and you can see the screen refresh |
| 03:55.16 | TheMasterMind1 | wow |
| 03:55.18 | JasonNJ | thats how slow the xscale is |
| 03:55.20 | JasonNJ | it aint ready |
| 03:55.27 | JasonNJ | its also why the 5600 isnt ready |
| 03:55.30 | TheMasterMind1 | well then.. fuck that |
| 03:55.34 | JasonNJ | we dont want the 5600 to be that slow |
| 03:55.51 | JasonNJ | thats why we are spending the extra time on the software, we know the US customers wont go for that shit |
| 03:56.12 | JasonNJ | I love my 5500. Right now I dont use my 5600 for jack other than application tests. |
| 03:56.55 | H4NZ0 | i'm glad i bought 5500 |
| 03:57.03 | JasonNJ | 5500 is a perfectly viable PDA, even more so when 2.4.19 is fixed |
| 03:57.08 | TheMasterMind1 | indeed |
| 03:57.36 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm going to get together a stupid-windows-users-pop-it-in-and-syncing-and-networking-on-the-z-all-works-cdrom for oz3.1 |
| 03:57.42 | JasonNJ | The C700 is not ready for prime time as a north american product. Period. |
| 03:58.00 | JasonNJ | and it pisses me off that I get endless emails about it from people now |
| 03:58.10 | JasonNJ | regarding developer issues |
| 03:58.21 | JasonNJ | because sharp cannot and will not support it. period. |
| 03:58.51 | JasonNJ | TMM: that sync CD idea sounds great. |
| 03:58.58 | prpplague | JasonNJ: fun isn't it |
| 03:59.19 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ yea, just need to find a decent opensource solution for internetconnectionsharing with the zaurus |
| 03:59.34 | TheMasterMind1 | probably end up just using a transparent proxy.. |
| 03:59.40 | JasonNJ | OZ should have a dhcp server on it like the sharp rom does.. most people dont realize you have to set the windows box to static ip to make the communications work |
| 03:59.50 | TheMasterMind1 | better than nothing i guess. and if the user wants more than that, they can figure out ICS in widnows |
| 03:59.51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not easy. |
| 03:59.59 | JasonNJ | really? |
| 04:00.00 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, that's what i said.. about the dhcpd |
| 04:00.06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: theres no configuration method in ben's new networksetup app to configure the dhcp server. |
| 04:00.10 | TheMasterMind1 | its easy, just need a networksetup module for it |
| 04:00.16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: if they change the usbd0 network config, b00m. |
| 04:00.20 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so do it then. |
| 04:00.25 | JasonNJ | ok.. |
| 04:00.26 | kergoth | myself, i have bigger fish to fry |
| 04:00.27 | JasonNJ | well |
| 04:00.36 | JasonNJ | how about some kinda script that fixes it on the windows box |
| 04:00.44 | JasonNJ | like a registry import file and a batch |
| 04:00.56 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth we could just have the startup script for the udhcpd test to see if the usb config is changed :) |
| 04:01.06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: dangerous, we dont know the exact name of the z network interface |
| 04:01.25 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 04:01.28 | JasonNJ | true it can vary |
| 04:01.32 | JasonNJ | depending on instance |
| 04:01.35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it could change. what if windows marks the first one disabled, and now its #2 |
| 04:01.35 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm yea |
| 04:01.39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:01.44 | TheMasterMind1 | i wanna check out usbf/bnd-for-windows and see how it is |
| 04:01.52 | TheMasterMind1 | i bet the suspend issues go away with that |
| 04:02.01 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: they may go away already |
| 04:02.06 | TheMasterMind1 | true |
| 04:02.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: we're using a newer usbd0, the one swiped from a300 |
| 04:02.11 | JasonNJ | maybe some kind of reminder dialog that tells the user what to do on the windows box? |
| 04:02.12 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 04:02.19 | TheMasterMind1 | but i like usbf better |
| 04:02.19 | JasonNJ | the first time they run the network app? |
| 04:02.21 | TheMasterMind1 | no linux kernel patching |
| 04:02.26 | kergoth | we're changing so much shit, who knows how things will be with the new kernel |
| 04:02.54 | kergoth | I suspect al our oustanding bugs other than one or two will be either opie bugs or fixed by the kernel upgrade |
| 04:02.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:03.04 | prpplague | kergoth: its gonna sit up, roll over, and piss on your z |
| 04:03.08 | kergoth | even bugs the sharp rom has |
| 04:03.08 | TheMasterMind1 | JasonNJ the problem moreso is that most users screw it up and don't follow the directions right |
| 04:03.18 | kergoth | prpplague: i hate that |
| 04:03.38 | ljp | oh my god.. no wonder the webpal died |
| 04:03.43 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp eh? |
| 04:03.46 | TheMasterMind1 | bad software? |
| 04:03.46 | ljp | hehe |
| 04:03.50 | JasonNJ | then fuck it, we need to come up with a non-ip communications method |
| 04:03.52 | ljp | oi.. |
| 04:03.57 | JasonNJ | serial USB i/o |
| 04:04.00 | prpplague | ljp: you working on webpal too? |
| 04:04.03 | ljp | really simple software |
| 04:04.07 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:04.17 | ljp | just got mine today and checking out the default software |
| 04:04.18 | TheMasterMind1 | shoulda looked into OSS/linux for software |
| 04:04.25 | prpplague | ljp: ahh |
| 04:04.37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we tried usb serial remember. |
| 04:04.40 | ljp | sent myself an email |
| 04:04.41 | prpplague | ljp: just got my parts to make the rs-232 port today |
| 04:04.49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the interfaces would drop worse than cdcether and usbd :) |
| 04:04.56 | prpplague | ljp: however my computer room is still a disaster |
| 04:05.03 | JasonNJ | heh, lets use... I dunno .. DLC or netbios! |
| 04:05.07 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:05.08 | kergoth | eww |
| 04:05.13 | ljp | I want to get an ir port for my desktop, and get the keybard working |
| 04:05.18 | JasonNJ | ipx! |
| 04:05.24 | JasonNJ | hey ipx/spx is cool. |
| 04:05.41 | prpplague | JasonNJ: thats just plain evil |
| 04:05.50 | TheMasterMind1 | something that's already a part of the windows side usb driver would be ideal |
| 04:05.54 | TheMasterMind1 | so there's no extra setup required |
| 04:06.33 | JasonNJ | prp: no, I just dont give a shit. |
| 04:07.46 | prpplague | JasonNJ: jk |
| 04:07.47 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:08.12 | JasonNJ | I am becoming a cynical bastard in my old age. |
| 04:08.40 | JasonNJ | holy shit, USA release Red Dwarf DVDs. |
| 04:08.43 | prpplague | ljp: i've got the ir keyboard working on the z |
| 04:08.54 | prpplague | JasonNJ: wohaa, where? |
| 04:08.59 | JasonNJ | amazon |
| 04:09.02 | JasonNJ | feb 25 release |
| 04:09.04 | TheMasterMind1 | prpplague the oz .19 kernel has the webpal irkeyboard code |
| 04:09.06 | JasonNJ | season 1 and season 2 |
| 04:09.08 | prpplague | JasonNJ: all seasons? |
| 04:09.11 | ljp | cool, with that keyboard driver patch? |
| 04:09.25 | JasonNJ | plus season one of Star Trek DS9 |
| 04:09.36 | JasonNJ | shit there goes 150 bucks |
| 04:09.41 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:09.43 | prpplague | ljp: naw, i'm using the ir receiver connected to the sharp io port |
| 04:09.55 | JasonNJ | I love red dwarf |
| 04:10.01 | prpplague | as do i |
| 04:10.04 | JasonNJ | season 1 has commentary on every episode |
| 04:10.06 | JasonNJ | dang |
| 04:10.11 | JasonNJ | look at those special features |
| 04:10.33 | prpplague | JasonNJ: RD is the reason i started tring indian food :) |
| 04:10.44 | ljp | funny how the webpal's home page is non existant, and I dont think theres a way to change it |
| 04:10.45 | prpplague | JasonNJ: nothing like a chicken vindaloo and a lager |
| 04:10.58 | JasonNJ | better dead than smeg! |
| 04:10.58 | TheMasterMind1 | eh? |
| 04:11.02 | TheMasterMind1 | american indian or real indian |
| 04:11.12 | prpplague | TheMasterMind1: real indian |
| 04:11.14 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
| 04:11.17 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm indian :) |
| 04:11.21 | JasonNJ | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007JZUB/qid=1040703434/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-5141998-5999943?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 |
| 04:12.03 | JasonNJ | indian food rocks, my stomach hates me for it though |
| 04:12.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:12.26 | JasonNJ | wasnt designed to be consumed by a eastern european stomach |
| 04:12.30 | ljp | I'm a Vogon |
| 04:12.34 | prpplague | JasonNJ: lol |
| 04:12.47 | TheMasterMind1 | blah, you undid the patches! |
| 04:12.53 | JasonNJ | and I like SOUTH indian food, that is even nastier |
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| 04:13.28 | JasonNJ | masala dosas are evil |
| 04:13.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bk changes .. bk set -x[cahngeset # of the changeset where i removed the patch] |
| 04:13.49 | JasonNJ | I really wish indian chaat would catch on in the states |
| 04:13.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) i love bk |
| 04:13.57 | JasonNJ | here in NJ, we have a large community of south indians |
| 04:14.01 | ljp | I added one bookmark to the webpal.. google |
| 04:14.27 | Com[Plex] | what are people using to develope java apps for the z ? |
| 04:14.49 | JasonNJ | wow red dwarf came out 13 years ago |
| 04:14.51 | JasonNJ | thats insane |
| 04:15.04 | Com[Plex] | your surprised? |
| 04:15.10 | JasonNJ | com: jdk 1.1 |
| 04:15.19 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 04:15.20 | JasonNJ | yeah I am surprised I am getting that old |
| 04:15.24 | prpplague | JasonNJ: ya i like masala, but i also like the tandorie stuff as well |
| 04:15.32 | Com[Plex] | Im trying to compile something, and its asking for com.trolltech.qtawt.QtEmbeddedFrame; |
| 04:15.34 | JasonNJ | tandoori is good |
| 04:15.40 | Com[Plex] | saing ti doesnt exsist |
| 04:15.54 | ljp | I cant believe people bought the webpal for $400 |
| 04:16.04 | JasonNJ | prplague: masala dosa isnt that orange creamy sauce stuff |
| 04:16.11 | tag | JasonNJ: werd 08854 |
| 04:16.12 | H4NZ0 | i'm using 1.4 |
| 04:16.21 | JasonNJ | chicken tikka masala isnt authentic indian anyways, it was invented in england |
| 04:16.59 | Com[Plex] | I have 1.4 also, but Im not getting anywhere. its an app made for the z. Im missing something. |
| 04:17.20 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth send me that damn pcmcia trace! :) |
| 04:17.21 | JasonNJ | a masala dosa is a large flat crepe made out of lentil flour, rolled up with a heavily spiced mixture of potatoes, onion and chiles |
| 04:17.24 | JasonNJ | its brutal |
| 04:17.32 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 04:17.33 | TheMasterMind1 | its great |
| 04:17.36 | TheMasterMind1 | what're you talking about |
| 04:17.38 | JasonNJ | "masala" is just the indian word for any spice mixture |
| 04:18.07 | JasonNJ | masala tea is a spiced tea |
| 04:18.23 | prpplague | JasonNJ: i don't get indian often, not exactly alot of indian restaurants in texas |
| 04:18.30 | JasonNJ | I like chicken tikka masala though. But its got way too much butter and cream |
| 04:18.49 | tag | I dont get it, #zaurus has more people in it but its dead air and #openzaurus is always filled with chatter |
| 04:18.51 | JasonNJ | that clarified butter indians use makes me a bit queasy |
| 04:18.56 | JasonNJ | ghee |
| 04:18.57 | prpplague | JasonNJ: i always get indian when i'm in the bahamas or the caribean |
| 04:19.09 | kergoth | tag: we just talk too mcuh :) |
| 04:19.09 | JasonNJ | and that smen stuff |
| 04:19.13 | prpplague | JasonNJ: lots of retired RAF officers in nassau and in barbados |
| 04:19.20 | TheMasterMind1 | smen? |
| 04:19.23 | tag | heh |
| 04:19.26 | JasonNJ | smen |
| 04:19.26 | tag | where does opera store its mime type files or is it with the system-wide mime type settings in which case where are they located? |
| 04:19.43 | tag | JasonNJ: please dont sugest other people eat that keep it to yourself |
| 04:19.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh, its right here. whats your email again? |
| 04:20.06 | JasonNJ | tag: its another kind of butter-like fat indians use |
| 04:20.11 | JasonNJ | and its funky stuff |
| 04:20.12 | tag | yea I know |
| 04:20.30 | tag | the funky butter-like stuff yea yea dude thats nasty |
| 04:20.44 | prpplague | tag: general #openzaurus is troll free and you'll find that good channels aren't just about the topic but about learning philosphy of computers as well as plain geekdom |
| 04:21.12 | JasonNJ | and the later it gets at night the weirder our conversations get. |
| 04:21.22 | tag | prpplague: thats nothing new. |
| 04:21.37 | JasonNJ | red dwarf DVDs are gonna rule. |
| 04:21.48 | JasonNJ | hell, thats gonna kill several weekends, easy |
| 04:22.02 | JasonNJ | I havnet even STARTED my babylon 5 ones yet |
| 04:22.07 | tag | downloading ipk's is gonna rule, it saved the first one I downloaded but all after that opera opens *sigh* |
| 04:22.09 | rabbit_uk | JNJ: are all 7/8 series out? |
| 04:22.19 | JasonNJ | no I just have season 1 so far |
| 04:22.21 | kergoth | tag: it all depends on the web server. |
| 04:22.25 | prpplague | tag: agreed, but there are alot of channels on openprojects, but there are only about 4 or 5 that are really great resources for info about just about anything |
| 04:22.37 | JasonNJ | rabbit: dwarf will ship season 1 and 2 on feb 25 |
| 04:22.39 | kergoth | tag: most web servers dont have the ipk mime type setup |
| 04:22.42 | JasonNJ | I preordered mine |
| 04:22.53 | prpplague | JasonNJ: i bought my b5 set friday |
| 04:23.03 | JasonNJ | I have a lot of em on tape, but they are shitty copies |
| 04:23.10 | tag | kergoth: any way to make zaurus recognize the file extension? |
| 04:23.17 | kergoth | tag: ? |
| 04:23.17 | tag | err |
| 04:23.18 | tag | opera |
| 04:23.19 | tag | I mean |
| 04:23.21 | kergoth | tag: its the -web server- |
| 04:23.23 | jonezr- | lol |
| 04:23.28 | kergoth | tag: it hands opera a mime type |
| 04:23.29 | JasonNJ | shitty copies of dwarf make the show look TWICE as cheesy |
| 04:23.32 | kergoth | tag: and opera handles it appropriately |
| 04:23.36 | jonezr- | I TOUCH MYSELF WHEN I PEE |
| 04:23.38 | tag | yea yea I know its the content type header sent from the server but what I'm saying is |
| 04:23.38 | prpplague | JasonNJ: when my son was 4 we dressed him as londo for halloween |
| 04:23.55 | JasonNJ | how did you get the hairdo right |
| 04:23.56 | tag | is there any way to get around opera being so trusting to the server? |
| 04:23.56 | kergoth | tag: afaik theres no way to override |
| 04:24.02 | tag | ok |
| 04:24.03 | jonezr- | dood I got red dwarf season ONE off newsgroups.. |
| 04:24.08 | jonezr- | in good mpeg 1 |
| 04:24.16 | jonezr- | on like 7 vcds now |
| 04:24.18 | jonezr- | its leet |
| 04:24.30 | *** kick/#openzaurus [jonezr-!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (did you just say leet?) |
| 04:24.37 | JasonNJ | I have no patience for watching videos on my pc |
| 04:24.43 | JasonNJ | I want to lay on my couch |
| 04:24.45 | prpplague | JasonNJ: lol, my wife's cousin works at a beauty salon and this chick cut her long hair |
| 04:24.47 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth !!! |
| 04:24.52 | *** join/#openzaurus jonezr- (~tys0n@s3a-88.olypen.com) |
| 04:24.53 | JasonNJ | and watch it on my big screen |
| 04:24.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: what? |
| 04:25.03 | jonezr- | sorry |
| 04:25.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: whats your damn email address? |
| 04:25.08 | jonezr- | I meant pleeted |
| 04:25.09 | JasonNJ | prp: do you have pics? |
| 04:25.13 | jonezr- | like these jeans |
| 04:25.23 | prpplague | JasonNJ: ya, but not handy |
| 04:25.36 | JasonNJ | I know a guy who had himself done up as G'kar |
| 04:25.38 | prpplague | JasonNJ: cleaning the computer room right now |
| 04:25.46 | kergoth | jonezr-: i'm not fucking stupid. |
| 04:25.46 | Com[Plex] | anyone know what this is? "com.trolltech.qtawt" ? |
| 04:25.55 | jonezr- | I am though. |
| 04:25.58 | Com[Plex] | ya know.. anyone recognise it |
| 04:25.59 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth oz@themastermind1.net |
| 04:26.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh |
| 04:26.05 | kergoth | jonezr-: obviously |
| 04:26.10 | jonezr- | lol |
| 04:26.13 | prpplague | JasonNJ: you remember the episode when d`lenne was having a bad hair day? |
| 04:26.21 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 04:26.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: sent |
| 04:26.55 | tag | I'm kind of disappointed with this build of opera |
| 04:26.56 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
| 04:27.24 | rabbit_uk | tag: try messing with the /home/root/.opera/opera.ini file. It mentions something about file types in it. |
| 04:27.29 | prpplague | tag: does it just not sing for you? |
| 04:28.09 | tag | yea |
| 04:28.18 | tag | it doesn't sing |
| 04:28.21 | tag | also |
| 04:28.24 | tag | it doesn't make my coffee |
| 04:28.28 | kergoth | tag: i hate that |
| 04:28.31 | tag | which really sucks because I want coffee |
| 04:28.41 | scanline | hmm, coffee... |
| 04:29.40 | tag | nah the only thing is it doesn't seem to let me copy text |
| 04:32.59 | JasonNJ | jonezr: someting about the image of a taiwanese eminem fan really disturbs me. |
| 04:33.06 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:33.12 | MYNAMERSLIMSHADY | lol |
| 04:33.23 | MYNAMERSLIMSHADY | SLICKA SLCKA SLIM SHADY |
| 04:33.32 | JasonNJ | kill me. |
| 04:33.50 | *** kick/#openzaurus [MYNAMERSLIMSHADY!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (ENOUGH.) |
| 04:34.11 | *** join/#openzaurus jonezr (~tys0n@s3a-88.olypen.com) |
| 04:34.58 | JasonNJ | jonezr: youre in taiwan, right |
| 04:35.12 | jonezr | Nope |
| 04:35.14 | jonezr | Korea |
| 04:35.18 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 04:35.19 | tag | maybe |
| 04:35.20 | JasonNJ | even worse. |
| 04:35.33 | jonezr | I am a professional "starcraft" player. |
| 04:35.35 | tag | if I just use the package manager I can install it |
| 04:35.36 | H4NZ0 | how is korea |
| 04:35.41 | JasonNJ | I REALLY dont wanna see korean rap |
| 04:35.41 | tag | heh |
| 04:36.03 | jonezr | I want to go to japan. |
| 04:36.10 | jonezr | The age of consent there is 12. |
| 04:36.11 | JasonNJ | no you dont! |
| 04:36.36 | jonezr | Nothing better then sex with 12 year olds and 30$ fruit. |
| 04:36.43 | JasonNJ | yeah, I'm sure they'll LOVE you preying on 12 year olds over there |
| 04:36.59 | JasonNJ | but hey, what comes around goes around right :) |
| 04:37.10 | jonezr | >:(|) |
| 04:37.11 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:37.15 | jonezr | Thats my ape face. |
| 04:37.18 | *** mode/#openzaurus [+b *!tys0n*@*] by kergoth |
| 04:37.25 | *** kick/#openzaurus [jonezr!~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by kergoth (dumbfuck) |
| 04:37.42 | JasonNJ | hey, isnt he workin on a Java VM? |
| 04:37.45 | JasonNJ | the kaffee? |
| 04:37.54 | JasonNJ | or is that a different dude |
| 04:38.35 | TheMasterMind1 | oh.. |
| 04:38.36 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 04:38.42 | TheMasterMind1 | that reminds me |
| 04:38.45 | TheMasterMind1 | someone got that working |
| 04:38.46 | H4NZ0 | i doubt it |
| 04:38.51 | TheMasterMind1 | i need to put it into the buildroot |
| 04:39.04 | JasonNJ | I nuked his ass on #zaurus too |
| 04:39.11 | TheMasterMind1 | lol |
| 04:39.58 | JasonNJ | nah I dont think its the kaffee guy |
| 04:40.11 | kergoth | I sure as hell hope not |
| 04:40.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:40.19 | JasonNJ | thats jserv |
| 04:40.20 | scanline | JasonNJ: it was Twiun doing the kaffe stuff |
| 04:40.21 | JasonNJ | differnt dude |
| 04:40.26 | scanline | I think |
| 04:40.32 | JasonNJ | twiun is working with jserv |
| 04:40.45 | rabbit_uk | anyone fancy testing out a port I've just compiled? |
| 04:40.51 | H4NZ0 | does it bind to the Qt ? |
| 04:40.57 | rabbit_uk | nope |
| 04:41.01 | JasonNJ | I remember kickbanning jonezr last night or the night before on #zaurus |
| 04:41.01 | TheMasterMind1 | Twiun's doing wonka |
| 04:41.02 | rabbit_uk | I runs from the cli |
| 04:41.19 | JasonNJ | hey, I need ops on #openzaurus |
| 04:41.19 | scanline | oh yeah, wonka |
| 04:42.00 | H4NZ0 | rabbit.. what port ? |
| 04:42.04 | rabbit_uk | nano |
| 04:42.11 | rabbit_uk | GNU's nano |
| 04:42.16 | H4NZ0 | nano ? |
| 04:42.23 | rabbit_uk | pico replacement |
| 04:42.24 | TheMasterMind1 | hm, building pcmcia as a module doesne't work |
| 04:42.26 | TheMasterMind1 | dammit |
| 04:42.30 | H4NZ0 | oic |
| 04:44.22 | rabbit_uk | h4nz0: fancy it? you'll need to have libncurses.so.5 though. |
| 04:44.47 | scanline | d00d, it's nano warez! |
| 04:44.49 | tag | hurm |
| 04:44.57 | tag | whats a good package server to use? |
| 04:44.59 | kergoth | rabbit_uk: openzaurus includes ncurses5 by default, its needed for a number of things |
| 04:45.14 | rabbit_uk | cool. |
| 04:45.57 | TheMasterMind1 | pico.. nano.. now we just need a maple.. |
| 04:46.10 | *** join/#openzaurus jonezr (~tys0n@s3a-88.olypen.com) |
| 04:46.19 | rabbit_uk | we don't have pico, do we? |
| 04:46.37 | TheMasterMind1 | nano replaces pico |
| 04:46.44 | TheMasterMind1 | we need a maple to replace pine |
| 04:46.52 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I may just completely revamp the pcmcia collie support here |
| 04:46.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: heh |
| 04:47.16 | rabbit_uk | scanline: wtf is femto? |
| 04:47.22 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth yea, sounds like a good idea |
| 04:47.23 | scanline | hehe, another metric prefix |
| 04:47.27 | TheMasterMind1 | this is beyond me |
| 04:47.32 | TheMasterMind1 | gimme something to do |
| 04:47.44 | scanline | naming software after metric prefixes is silly ;) |
| 04:47.52 | rabbit_uk | TMM: is it worth submitting a nano ipk? |
| 04:48.02 | TheMasterMind1 | rabbit_uk submitting? |
| 04:48.04 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hmm, there isnt much left.. put AC_IN/CHRG_ON in collie.c, so our battery gets charged |
| 04:48.22 | rabbit_uk | TMM: yeah, to ZSI I mean. |
| 04:48.30 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm ok. lemme see if i can do that |
| 04:48.32 | TheMasterMind1 | probably not |
| 04:48.35 | TheMasterMind1 | but i'll try |
| 04:48.39 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 04:48.40 | kergoth | cool |
| 04:48.45 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: if noting else, just read code |
| 04:48.53 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: thats what i spent 90% of my time on doing the 2.5 |
| 04:49.13 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, sounds good |
| 04:49.31 | JasonNJ | going thru kernel sources is wild stuff |
| 04:49.37 | JasonNJ | you really learn your shit that way |
| 04:49.57 | kergoth | i'm going to eat dinner, then i'm going to finish the basics of a new pcmcia collie support code, adn dgo from there |
| 04:49.58 | JasonNJ | at one point I went thru the whole coriolis linux kernel book, that was a challenge |
| 04:51.55 | jonezr | mmmm |
| 04:54.16 | prpplague | JasonNJ: http://www.dvdeastereggs.com/showEgg.php?eggid=907&grabEggs=r |
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| 04:57.22 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.55 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: found the CHARGE_ON macro? :) |
| 04:58.13 | TheMasterMind1 | no actually |
| 04:58.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i was looking at sharp_led |
| 04:58.19 | TheMasterMind1 | .c |
| 04:58.23 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:58.47 | kergoth | some of the sharp character devices are going away |
| 04:59.05 | kergoth | but we'll have to have a sharp compatibility module to just makei t call the sane versions |
| 04:59.08 | kergoth | so apps dont break |
| 05:00.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 05:01.23 | tag | are there any large package servers for the package manager? |
| 05:01.48 | kergoth`bbl | gonna watch a movie and eat, be back to do more kernel codin later |
| 05:02.01 | JasonNJ | ops? |
| 05:03.00 | TheMasterMind1 | later |
| 05:05.02 | H4NZ0 | i just crashed my zaurus :( |
| 05:05.20 | H4NZ0 | gtg |
| 05:10.49 | tag | is there anything like that? |
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| 05:23.14 | kb9 | I wanted to say all you guys who are developing OpenZaurus: You guys rock. |
| 05:26.42 | kb9 | I also am interested in helping out with the OpenZaurus project, but I'm not sure where to start.. I'd been looking for some OpenSource project to help, and since I enjoy using my Zaurus, I'd like to help. It appears that nobody's around right now, so I'll try back sometime to ask again |
| 05:26.57 | kb9 | Have fun, drink coke (or pepsi!) |
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| 09:31.21 | freaker | how do I boot up without opie, just to console? |
| 09:39.54 | tag | yea |
| 09:39.57 | tag | I was wondering the same thing |
| 09:40.12 | tag | I was actually just asking in #zaurus |
| 09:41.07 | lsmith | probably just a matter of finding the startup script in /etc |
| 09:41.13 | lsmith | and disabeling it :-) |
| 09:44.17 | tag | yea I'd like to turn my zaurus into a multiuser system |
| 09:44.18 | tag | heh |
| 09:47.25 | tag | I'd also like to figure out how to type | |
| 09:48.51 | tag | and escape |
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| 10:26.36 | AndyQ | lo |
| 10:27.23 | lsmith | moin |
| 10:27.33 | AndyQ | just like to say SDL is spiffy! |
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| 11:08.27 | Twiun | Yo |
| 11:09.57 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: programs that use QtEmbeddedFrame won't work with anything other than TrollTech-based JVMs. It's supposed to be a private class. |
| 11:10.14 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: people used it to fake maximised applications. |
| 11:10.47 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: if you still need those classes, they're in the awt.jar file that comes with Jeode, just copy it over to your pc and add it to the classpath |
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| 11:31.30 | Dessimat0r | lo all |
| 11:32.19 | Dessimat0r | ZSI hasn't been updated since 20/12/2002 ;) |
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| 11:33.57 | badl | ho ho ho! merry xmas to all ;) |
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| 11:57.11 | killefiz | Dessimat0r: not true |
| 11:57.57 | killefiz | there is a new type of change, a "minor" change which doesn't update the changed-date (for fixed typos etc) |
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| 12:28.26 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
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| 12:28.59 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 12:29.03 | Piete | sup :) |
| 12:29.12 | Piete | I'm trying out gnuboy :) |
| 12:29.25 | Piete | I just can't figgure out the keys. lol |
| 12:29.35 | Piete | TheMasterMind1: merry xmas btw :) |
| 12:31.02 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, you too |
| 12:33.57 | Piete | lol |
| 12:34.10 | Piete | this is confusing :) I can't find any docs on it either :/ |
| 12:34.16 | Piete | gnuboy's keys |
| 12:35.51 | Dessimat0r | killefiz: ah |
| 12:36.47 | Dessimat0r | Piete: the keys are totally missed up ;) |
| 12:37.02 | Dessimat0r | Piete: try J, K and L |
| 12:37.36 | Piete | Dessimat0r: hey, thanks :) |
| 12:37.42 | Dessimat0r | np ;) |
| 12:37.57 | Dessimat0r | gnuboy should use application keys |
| 12:37.57 | Dessimat0r | :/ |
| 12:38.08 | Piete | Dessimat0r: I forgot about trying the actual keyboard :) I usualy keep my zaurus in the cradle to keep the connection up |
| 12:38.09 | Piete | lol |
| 12:38.16 | Dessimat0r | lol |
| 12:38.49 | Twiun | hey TMM |
| 12:38.50 | Piete | gba is not supported, right? |
| 12:39.13 | Piete | people, *what* are we doing here on xmas eve?! |
| 12:39.33 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 12:39.37 | TheMasterMind1 | its 7am |
| 12:39.50 | Piete | ok, just me then |
| 12:39.55 | Piete | its 10 pm here |
| 12:40.23 | mickeyl | 14:00 here..., just doing some prexmas cvs commits and then leaving to celebrate with my familiy |
| 12:40.30 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:41.03 | Piete | heh |
| 12:42.14 | Piete | ciao guys :) merry xmas |
| 13:15.52 | Twiun | ~fishslap TheMasterMind1 |
| 13:15.56 | | ACTION slaps TheMasterMind1 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:16.07 | TheMasterMind1 | hah |
| 13:16.12 | Twiun | that's crazy talk and you know it! |
| 13:16.24 | TheMasterMind1 | why? |
| 13:16.50 | Twiun | make world for X takes ages |
| 13:18.09 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm |
| 13:18.34 | TheMasterMind1 | but i read the changelogs and it seems this card will actuall work decently in 4.2.99.3 |
| 13:20.40 | mickeyl | merry xmas |
| 13:27.16 | Dessimat0r | http://www.blueeyedos.com/news/2002.02.good02.jpg |
| 13:27.28 | Dessimat0r | c00, this is Blue Eyed OS, a replacement for BeOS ;) |
| 13:27.41 | TheMasterMind1 | eh |
| 13:28.17 | Dessimat0r | You know, BeOS stopped development, so other peeps are making open-source alternatives ;) |
| 13:30.20 | lsmith | well they got bought by palm |
| 13:30.52 | lsmith | and palm decided to scrap the project appearently |
| 13:31.48 | ljp | palm bought Be for BeIA |
| 13:32.35 | TheMasterMind1 | palm sucks |
| 13:33.44 | ljp | tascam was using BeIA for a cool mixer/recording device, then palm bought Be, and tascam has never released it |
| 13:34.15 | TheMasterMind1 | yea, just like them.. |
| 13:42.34 | TheMasterMind1 | why |
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| 14:14.03 | TheMasterMind1 | IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:16.39 | Twiun | It did? |
| 14:16.43 | Twiun | What did? |
| 14:17.00 | TheMasterMind1 | X4.2.99.3 binaries work wit hthis poc video card |
| 14:18.11 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 14:28.35 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
| 14:28.39 | Twiun | geh? |
| 14:28.40 | TheMasterMind1 | cept that fonts don't work anymore |
| 14:31.29 | Twiun | lol |
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| 14:32.02 | AndyQ | lo |
| 14:32.10 | Twiun | yo |
| 14:32.11 | TheMasterMind1 | probably overwrote some font config file |
| 14:32.12 | TheMasterMind1 | argh |
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| 15:01.15 | TheMasterMind1 | where's kergoth? |
| 15:01.41 | kolla | TheMasterMind1: hang on a sec.. CF video card? |
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| 15:02.52 | TheMasterMind1 | kolla nah, laptop |
| 15:03.06 | kolla | ok |
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| 15:05.21 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot seen jaz |
| 15:05.29 | | jaz <~toto@adsl-63-207-140-101.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openzaurus, 14d 14h 56m 42s ago, saying: 'merci'. |
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| 15:17.34 | TheMasterMind1 | hey |
| 15:19.48 | prpplague | ho |
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| 16:04.10 | Dilb | hi |
| 16:08.53 | TheMasterMind1 | yo |
| 16:16.56 | Com[Plex] | tomorrow, snow: 8-12 inches late in the day,. |
| 16:17.14 | Com[Plex] | myu neighbor told his toddler that he asked santa to bring them snow. |
| 16:17.25 | Com[Plex] | the kid loves snow. |
| 16:19.40 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 16:19.48 | TheMasterMind1 | 8-12? |
| 16:19.49 | TheMasterMind1 | damn |
| 16:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl wake up! |
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| 19:07.36 | bertbob | hello--I went straight from Sharp ROM to OZ 3.1 testing...it seems very nice to me |
| 19:08.26 | ljp_w | :D |
| 19:08.50 | bertbob | is it possible to change the kernel without reflashing the initrd.bin? |
| 19:09.14 | ljp_w | yes |
| 19:09.23 | bertbob | well I suppose I could jsut copy zImage to / |
| 19:09.55 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 19:09.58 | TheMasterMind1 | flash the zimage only |
| 19:11.21 | bertbob | I run debian and see some problems with QtopiaDesktop, so I just use vnc over ethernet and type things in... |
| 19:11.50 | bertbob | if I alienize the rpm and install it can I sync over eth0? |
| 19:20.11 | bertbob | well, I just thought I'd try out irc with the OZ--opie-irc client. later all |
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| 19:52.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth you still have that basic initrd you used with .19 |
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| 19:54.26 | ibz | ehlo |
| 19:56.03 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: sooo is there any feed newer than unstable that has some interesting new feature ..? |
| 19:56.19 | TheMasterMind1 | my feed causes opie to die :) |
| 19:56.20 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: do you have a feed up? |
| 19:56.37 | TheMasterMind1 | anything newer than last unstable causes opie segfaults |
| 19:56.44 | lsmith | oki .. |
| 19:56.48 | lsmith | then i will skip for now :-) |
| 19:57.28 | lsmith | TheMasterMind1: oh btw ... did that guy ever release his icon set? |
| 19:57.34 | lsmith | the one from the oz screeni |
| 19:57.44 | TheMasterMind1 | nope |
| 19:57.54 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: egad, the pcmcia code is almost starting to make sense. i have gone over tot he dark side. somebody shoot me. |
| 19:58.10 | TheMasterMind1 | make sense? is that possible? |
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| 19:58.35 | pnis | hi |
| 19:58.56 | tux_mike | whee. is it strange that the rh beta has less problems and bugs than the last full release? |
| 19:58.58 | pnis | kergoth: so is anybody working on the soundchip driver ? |
| 19:59.01 | lsmith | darn :-/ ... they look really good: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website//content/shots/opie/oz3-02.png |
| 19:59.05 | kergoth | pnis: no |
| 19:59.27 | pnis | kergoth: than I will start fixing the current one first - to learn how things work in the linux kernel |
| 19:59.48 | pnis | kergoth: and later I could try make a driver for the speaker, if it is not done by than |
| 20:00.08 | pnis | kergoth: if that's ok ? |
| 20:00.13 | ljp | wont have to do much for that |
| 20:00.17 | kergoth | its not a speaker, its a buzzer |
| 20:00.18 | kergoth | but go ahead |
| 20:00.40 | TheMasterMind1 | how much sense is it making |
| 20:01.02 | pnis | if you have a better suggestion for fixing something, do tell me |
| 20:01.18 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not enough |
| 20:01.41 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth some guy today said he had the .18 sources.. turned out he only had the .13 stuff from the a300 |
| 20:01.46 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 20:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | sucked |
| 20:01.53 | TheMasterMind1 | i was excited |
| 20:02.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the dynamism folks are sending sharp a formal request for the sources for the c700 |
| 20:02.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: since dynamism owns c700s, and the code is gpl, sharp has to release or they're in violation of hte gpl |
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| 20:02.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:03.09 | ljp | still going to take them months to release it |
| 20:03.09 | pnis | ljp so you are saying as soon as somebody knows how a kernel driver works, it's trivial to make an oss driver for the buzzer? |
| 20:03.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i understand what little pieces of code are doing, but i don't get the big picture. the pcmcia struct = pcmcia_collie_ops makes sense, its assigning functions to the function pointers and then they're called from low_level_pcmcia etc |
| 20:03.20 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 20:03.24 | pnis | ljp: building on what is already there |
| 20:03.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: right |
| 20:03.32 | ljp | no, just rework th eexisting buzzer |
| 20:04.10 | Dessimat0r | http://www.iconfactory.com/graphics/pixelpalooza/previews/2001/p01_sys2.gif |
| 20:04.11 | ljp | so it can play files outside the kernel driver |
| 20:04.15 | pnis | ljp: so that you can send pcm to it ? |
| 20:04.16 | Dessimat0r | these icons are quite nice |
| 20:04.18 | pnis | pnis: right |
| 20:04.31 | pnis | ljp: and these nice ioctls of oss |
| 20:04.34 | lsmith | Dessimat0r: i still like the others better |
| 20:04.36 | ljp | it already plays cahr [] |
| 20:04.38 | kergoth | pnis: you have the hardware access functions |
| 20:04.44 | ljp | char[] |
| 20:04.45 | kergoth | pnis: all you need to do is drop in a OSS layer on top |
| 20:04.48 | kergoth | pnis: :) |
| 20:05.19 | pnis | kergoth: :) yes , but I don't know anything about that, that's why I suggested I would look at the other first - which I will do than |
| 20:05.35 | pnis | but I don't want to take away anybodys goal of his life |
| 20:05.47 | pnis | hence I asked |
| 20:05.48 | pnis | :) |
| 20:07.27 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you know where you'd underclock the Z? |
| 20:07.49 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth did you see the overclock app on zsi |
| 20:08.05 | tux_mike | TheMasterMind1: i just saw that |
| 20:08.18 | TheMasterMind1 | quite amusing |
| 20:08.27 | Dessimat0r | http://www.iconfactory.com/graphics/pixelpalooza/previews/1999/p99_3d2.gif < these are quite nice too, the rolling brush one would be good for opie-drawpad ;) |
| 20:08.38 | tux_mike | i'd like to underclock my z to save some battery |
| 20:09.34 | lsmith | well appearently this can get you down to 160mhz |
| 20:10.50 | Dessimat0r | what does the CPU go down to in suspend mode? |
| 20:11.08 | pnis | btw can that sound driver be built as a module? |
| 20:11.16 | TheMasterMind1 | 0.23532mhz exactly |
| 20:11.31 | pnis | or I need to reflash every time? |
| 20:11.42 | TheMasterMind1 | bleh, windows makes me so sick |
| 20:11.46 | Dessimat0r | TheMasterMind1: cool ;) |
| 20:11.55 | TheMasterMind1 | pnis you'll probably end up reflashing :) |
| 20:12.05 | TheMasterMind1 | kernel reflash takes maybe 11 seconds |
| 20:12.08 | pnis | TheMasterMind1: sounds good:) |
| 20:12.36 | pnis | that's not much indeed |
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| 20:15.48 | bbeattie | Hmm, my Zaurus went black/white diagnol moving lines and I had to pull the batter out to turn it off, and when I put the battery back in and turned it on, it reloaded from scratch/killed memory. |
| 20:16.01 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie shoulda used the sysrq key |
| 20:16.09 | TheMasterMind1 | bbeattie ofcourse its going to wipe ram if there's no power |
| 20:16.13 | kergoth | yeap. home+s, home+b |
| 20:17.14 | bbeattie | which what's sysrq on the z? |
| 20:17.14 | bbeattie | Oh, right. |
| 20:17.14 | bbeattie | what's the home key? |
| 20:17.21 | TheMasterMind1 | sysrq |
| 20:18.46 | bbeattie | .. there is no way to upgrade to 3.1 from 3.1rc1 without reflashing correct? |
| 20:19.27 | kergoth | bbeattie: first, there is no 3.1 |
| 20:19.42 | kergoth | bbeattie: second, just upgrade from the feed. the only thing you cant do that way is the kernel. just flash that independently |
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| 20:21.47 | bbeattie | kergoth: will the kernel flash require a CF card? |
| 20:22.11 | kergoth | bbeattie: of course |
| 20:22.34 | kergoth | unless you want to be daring and try to dd it to the right place in memory |
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| 20:23.23 | bbeattie | kergoth: I don't have CF<, only SD. So the kernel will have to wait. And by kernel do you mean just the kernel, or the initrd too? |
| 20:23.34 | kergoth | bbeattie: ? |
| 20:23.37 | kergoth | initrd = root filesystem |
| 20:23.39 | kergoth | zImage = kernel |
| 20:23.43 | kergoth | when i say kernel, i mean kernel |
| 20:23.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24.03 | kergoth | initrd.bin isnt a init ramdisk, despite its name, its just a image of the root filesystem in flash |
| 20:24.15 | bbeattie | Alright. I didn't know it was possible to flash the kernel without the initrd going in at the same time. I need to read up more on the flashing. |
| 20:24.28 | kergoth | yep you can flash them independently |
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| 20:25.46 | TheMasterMind1 | bah |
| 20:25.51 | TheMasterMind1 | now i remember why i stopped using dalnet |
| 20:26.22 | ZzzGogo | heyas... |
| 20:26.33 | TheMasterMind1 | hi |
| 20:26.37 | TheMasterMind1 | i HATE windows |
| 20:26.44 | ZzzGogo | finnaly got my ZThincable from serialo.... :) |
| 20:26.49 | TheMasterMind1 | nice |
| 20:27.03 | ZzzGogo | it says i have to boot with INIT 3 ?! |
| 20:27.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ? |
| 20:29.16 | pnis | kergoth: if I mess around with 2.4.6 kernel, would there be problems moving it to 2.4.19 ? |
| 20:29.19 | ZzzGogo | there came a description ith it... it says that the Z needs to boot with INIT 3 so that the com-port is initialized and that i would have to boot in INIT 5 mode if i wanted to be able to sycronize again.... |
| 20:29.24 | pnis | kergoth: this sound thing |
| 20:29.40 | kergoth | pnis: ? |
| 20:29.47 | kergoth | pnis: how do you think we're doing 2.4.19? |
| 20:30.02 | kergoth | pnis: we pull it over from 2.4.6 and adapt |
| 20:30.11 | kergoth | pnis: except for a few cases where we rewrite, like the keyboard driver |
| 20:30.20 | pnis | kergoth: all right |
| 20:30.30 | kergoth | pnis: pull down our tree |
| 20:30.36 | kergoth | pnis: in the working/ directory |
| 20:30.37 | pnis | kergoth: so in theory it should work than? |
| 20:30.45 | kergoth | pnis: you'll find the lineo embedix patch which was ripped apart |
| 20:30.46 | kergoth | pnis: what? |
| 20:30.55 | pnis | kergoth: buildroot in bitkeeper, ok ? |
| 20:30.58 | kergoth | pnis: of course it isnt going to work without alteration.. you're going to have to fix the compile problems |
| 20:31.02 | kergoth | pnis: NO |
| 20:31.17 | kergoth | pnis: http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/ |
| 20:31.18 | pnis | kergoth: what than? |
| 20:31.24 | pnis | kergoth: ah , ok |
| 20:31.26 | kergoth | pnis: linux-arm-2.4-collie is hte 2.4.19 tree |
| 20:31.33 | kergoth | pnis: buildroot has never had the 2.4.19 tree |
| 20:31.36 | pnis | kergoth: what compilation problems ? |
| 20:31.44 | kergoth | are you dense? |
| 20:31.47 | pnis | dénes |
| 20:31.52 | kergoth | shit has *changed* from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19 |
| 20:32.06 | kergoth | I'll bet you right now that it fails to compile. |
| 20:32.15 | kergoth | due to changes that have happened in the kernel since 2.4.6 |
| 20:32.19 | pnis | ok, that's what I was asking |
| 20:32.21 | kergoth | want to take the bet? you'll lose. |
| 20:32.25 | kergoth | and i answered it up there |
| 20:32.26 | kergoth | i said |
| 20:32.29 | kergoth | there WILL be compile problems |
| 20:32.32 | kergoth | and you WILL Have to fix them |
| 20:32.36 | kergoth | guaranteed. |
| 20:32.42 | kergoth | it witll NOT just 'work' |
| 20:32.46 | kergoth | there's no way in hell |
| 20:32.53 | pnis | ok than |
| 20:33.02 | kergoth | 14:38 < kergoth> pnis: of course it isnt going to work without alteration.. |
| 20:33.03 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.09 | kergoth | i repeat myself. |
| 20:33.25 | ZzzGogo | zaurus overclock tool.... oha... |
| 20:33.42 | pnis | kergoth: that made it clear, I asked that question before that answer of yours |
| 20:33.53 | kergoth | 14:38 < pnis> kergoth: what compilation problems ? |
| 20:33.55 | pnis | kergoth: you know, lag |
| 20:34.19 | pnis | kergoth: in deed, that you answered later |
| 20:34.24 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:34.32 | kergoth | how the hell shoudl i know what compile problems? |
| 20:34.34 | pnis | <kergoth> shit has *changed* from 2.4.6 to 2.4.19 |
| 20:34.34 | pnis | <kergoth> I'll bet you right now that it fails to compile. |
| 20:34.48 | kergoth | did you actually think 2.4.6 and 2.4.19 were the same? |
| 20:35.03 | kergoth | if so, you shouldnt be doing this development, because you're incompetant, or ignorant, or both. |
| 20:35.06 | pnis | no but I thought the code changed, but the layout is the same |
| 20:35.12 | bbeattie | kergoth: So when is the second battery used to backup RAM? (Since it didn't when I pulled the battery out) |
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| 20:35.35 | kergoth | bbeattie: its only used if its charged. that backup battery needs like 24 hours of charging |
| 20:35.45 | kergoth | bbeattie: which is why they recommend you charge it for 24 hours hwen you first get the Z |
| 20:35.48 | kergoth | bbeattie: beyond that, i dunno |
| 20:35.59 | pnis | kergoth: never looked at kernel development before |
| 20:36.47 | kergoth | pnis: internal kernel APIs change. |
| 20:36.51 | kergoth | pnis: everything changes. |
| 20:36.55 | pnis | kergoth: that is what I didn't know |
| 20:36.56 | ZzzGogo | does anyone know how to download a file with konqueror? like with sourceforge mirror links... if i click on them nothing happens... |
| 20:37.00 | bbeattie | kergoth: I charged it for 24 hours, and the Z had a full charge. The Z just went physco and decided to destroy it's memory. (I set it down to an lcd projector, but I doubt that had any magnitism or emf to wipe out the memory. |
| 20:37.01 | pnis | kergoth: all right |
| 20:37.06 | kergoth | pnis: shit, in 2.5 MODULES stopped working. you need a -special- modutils to even load modules |
| 20:37.20 | bbeattie | set it down next to an lcd projector that is. |
| 20:37.39 | pnis | kergoth: ok. have I ever told you about my connection to kernel development in the past? |
| 20:37.49 | kergoth | pnis: nope |
| 20:37.57 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: welp, my kernel didnt crash |
| 20:37.58 | pnis | kergoth: yes I did : i had none |
| 20:38.06 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: and it looks like we're getting pcmcia interrupts |
| 20:38.13 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: building an initrd with pcmcia-cs to test now |
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| 20:38.37 | kergoth | pnis: http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 20:38.38 | kergoth | pnis: go read. |
| 20:39.09 | ljp | read schmead |
| 20:39.12 | pnis | kergoth: I will check that |
| 20:39.28 | kergoth | pnis: also, o'reilly has the Linux Device Drivers book freely available online |
| 20:39.41 | bbeattie | kergoth: is there any way to get openzaurus to reset/remove all config and get a clean system without reflashing from a a fs image? |
| 20:39.41 | kergoth | pnis: if you're looking to do driver development, like these sound drivers, you'd better read it |
| 20:39.51 | kergoth | bbeattie: define config? |
| 20:40.48 | bbeattie | kergoth: Forget everything it knows about me, tabs I've changed, icons that got left around in the disk on chip when the programs in memory were lost, etc. |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | bbeattie: there's no way to revert the system to a known state. |
| 20:41.11 | kergoth | bbeattie: where would be store that state? |
| 20:41.24 | kergoth | bbeattie: you'd need one 16mb of flash for your working space, and yet another 16mb which contains a known working copy |
| 20:41.29 | kergoth | bbeattie: which obviously isnt the case |
| 20:41.58 | kergoth | bbeattie: you could easily use ipkg to determine which files in the filesystem arent managed by the package management system, to locate files left behind, adn remov ehtem. |
| 20:42.03 | kergoth | bbeattie: quick shell script could do that |
| 20:42.27 | pnis | kergoth: I will read all that after I failed with my first attempt :] |
| 20:42.54 | kergoth | pnis: you probably wont even comprehend what you read or why things are the way they are in the code without reading first. but okay. |
| 20:44.47 | pnis | kergoth: black magic? ;) well it might take me some time - making my propsed improvements - that's for sure than |
| 20:47.40 | bbeattie | ack |
| 20:48.20 | bbeattie | no clue how that happened. |
| 20:54.30 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: hey |
| 20:54.32 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: cardmgr[936]: socket 0: ATA/IDE Fixed Disk |
| 20:54.34 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: w00t |
| 20:55.16 | pnis | btw merry christmas ! |
| 20:57.52 | pnis | time to go |
| 20:57.52 | pnis | bye |
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| 21:05.01 | bbeattie | pnis, themastermind1: I've been out of town/busy. How's mplayer/xmms going? |
| 21:12.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth dude! |
| 21:12.27 | TheMasterMind1 | how'd you do it? |
| 21:12.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno. i left out half of the lineo patch |
| 21:13.00 | ljp | magic |
| 21:13.00 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dunno if those bits i left out are going to bite us later :) |
| 21:13.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: I'll be adding the little bits i left out later |
| 21:13.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:13.15 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: figured i'd get it to something -simple- |
| 21:14.26 | TheMasterMind1 | rofl |
| 21:14.35 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: next is battery stuff, fixing our power management across the board, including AC_IN and apm.. and the cancel/wakeup button handling, and then its just the sound drivers |
| 21:14.46 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: so the only -major- piece left is audio and touchscreen. the rest is minor |
| 21:14.50 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 21:14.54 | TheMasterMind1 | we're almost there |
| 21:15.07 | kergoth | yep. i said it'd be a week or two when i started. we're on schedule |
| 21:15.24 | ljp | go go gadget kernel! |
| 21:16.54 | ljp | damn it! recruiters keep emailing me about that same Qt job up here |
| 21:17.48 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:18.17 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth bk push |
| 21:20.06 | ZzzGogo | kergoth: with sharp rom u can display some kind of boot menue when pressing /? during boot to star with different modes for ttyS0 ... id like to use the port for the gps receiver and need it free... whats the default in oz and how can i change it? |
| 21:20.25 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth i have an idea.. if we can setup a socks proxy on the windows box.. and then run a daemon of somesort on the Z that makes sure all traffic gets rerouted to that socks proxy port... |
| 21:20.28 | TheMasterMind1 | it'd work |
| 21:20.29 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: ttyS0 is free and unused by anything by default. |
| 21:20.39 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: and you just terminate opie and drop to a prompt if you need a prompt |
| 21:20.41 | TheMasterMind1 | and the hard stuff would be done on the z using linux code and not on windows |
| 21:20.43 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: the boot menu isnt in yet |
| 21:20.50 | TheMasterMind1 | no need to worry about windows nat |
| 21:21.17 | ZzzGogo | kergoth: ahh thx... so no terminal or anything on it... |
| 21:21.18 | TheMasterMind1 | i think that thing onyx added called socat does something like that |
| 21:21.22 | TheMasterMind1 | not sure |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth | ZzzGogo: nope. ttyS0 is unused out of hte box |
| 21:22.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ah found osmething |
| 21:22.28 | TheMasterMind1 | dante-client |
| 21:22.35 | TheMasterMind1 | apt-cache show dante-client |
| 21:22.38 | Twiun | kergoth: Sun seems to have fixed the bug in their Java that stopped my framebuffer awt library from working |
| 21:22.39 | TheMasterMind1 | looks like exactly what we want |
| 21:22.45 | kergoth | Twiun: nice. |
| 21:22.56 | Twiun | kergoth: even got a personal reply too! |
| 21:23.05 | Twiun | ibz: Yo |
| 21:23.07 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth comments? |
| 21:24.12 | ibz | Twiun: oy! |
| 21:24.27 | ibz | how was it? |
| 21:24.35 | TheMasterMind1 | am i here? |
| 21:26.53 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, this danteclient thing is basically a library and it uses LD_PRELOAD to make all apps seamlessly use a socks proxy |
| 21:26.55 | ljp | no |
| 21:26.58 | TheMasterMind1 | you think that'd work? |
| 21:27.53 | Twiun | ibz: Bliss! 4 hours of skiing, with one instructor between two people ;-) |
| 21:28.32 | kergoth | hahahahaha |
| 21:28.39 | kergoth | my *init* just bus error'd! |
| 21:28.43 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:28.54 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone have suggestions/comments about this? |
| 21:29.00 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth heh, what'd you do to break it |
| 21:29.12 | Twiun | ibz: more details later... gotta spend more time with the gf ;-) |
| 21:30.21 | ibz | Twiun[gf]: lol. ok |
| 21:30.43 | TheMasterMind1 | is there certain stuff that you can't use preload with? |
| 21:31.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: welp, i remember busybox exploding.. |
| 21:31.09 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: remember the segfault on every command? :) |
| 21:31.21 | TheMasterMind1 | heh, yea |
| 21:31.49 | TheMasterMind1 | but that was cuz of something messed in libpreload |
| 21:32.24 | kergoth | yea |
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| 21:32.51 | TheMasterMind1 | therese another one |
| 21:32.55 | TheMasterMind1 | tsocks |
| 21:33.00 | TheMasterMind1 | lemme see how this one does it |
| 21:33.26 | stonage | is there an eta on rc2? |
| 21:33.47 | TheMasterMind1 | 2weeks? |
| 21:33.52 | TheMasterMind1 | maybe less |
| 21:34.08 | TheMasterMind1 | probably will be 3.1 final |
| 21:34.30 | stonage | the standard "two weeks" or actually two weeks? |
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| 21:35.17 | TheMasterMind1 | eh.. |
| 21:35.20 | TheMasterMind1 | *shrug* |
| 21:35.29 | kergoth | stonage: 2.4.19 will be done in under a week. expect a week of cleanup and packaging bits, then another rc, then testing, and either a 3.1 final or another rc |
| 21:35.35 | Nokus | is it possible to install opera under openzaurus ? |
| 21:35.41 | TheMasterMind1 | Nokus yes |
| 21:35.43 | stonage | ok |
| 21:35.58 | stonage | not moving to 2.5...? |
| 21:36.10 | kergoth | stonage: we never were. |
| 21:36.13 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth tsocks does the same thing, it uses ld_preload |
| 21:36.17 | Nokus | TheMasterMind1: where do i get the package ? |
| 21:36.22 | kergoth | stonage: 2.5 will end up being available, but is not going to be used in the official releases |
| 21:36.31 | stonage | gotcha |
| 21:36.36 | TheMasterMind1 | Nokus you have to make it using the opera creator |
| 21:36.39 | TheMasterMind1 | Com[Plex here? |
| 21:36.47 | TheMasterMind1 | Nokus but the current creator is borken, doesn't include icons |
| 21:36.55 | stonage | I thought I read that under future plans somewhere |
| 21:37.17 | kergoth | stonage: we were porting to 2.5 and then subsequently backporting to 2.4.19 and releasing with 2.4.19 |
| 21:37.18 | Nokus | TheMasterMind1: what about a mailclient ? |
| 21:37.18 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth does the 2.5 tree include rmk's patches? |
| 21:37.22 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: ? |
| 21:37.29 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: rmk has a seperate tree for both 2.4 and 2.5 |
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| 21:37.47 | TheMasterMind1 | ok.. is his stuff ever going to get merged into the main linux tree? |
| 21:37.49 | kergoth | if you mean are all of rmk's stuff in linus' 2.5 tree, no. |
| 21:37.52 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:38.00 | kergoth | he merges stuff with linus on a regular basis |
| 21:38.01 | kergoth | -some- stuff |
| 21:38.05 | kergoth | a lot of it isnt ready |
| 21:38.05 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 21:38.09 | TheMasterMind1 | gotcha |
| 21:38.36 | kergoth | cardmgr[960]: get dev info on socket 0 failed: Resource temporaril |
| 21:38.37 | kergoth | y unavailable |
| 21:38.38 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 21:38.50 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth hmm, looks bad |
| 21:39.31 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: probably need to get the lineo bits i didnt merge in |
| 21:39.39 | Nokus | i got a developer-zaurus (sl-5000) and an 64mb-sd-card. what rom-image is the best for me ? |
| 21:39.44 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: bout to take off, i have like 5 gifts to buy in 1-2 hours, then i have family stuff |
| 21:39.47 | kergoth | Nokus: go read. |
| 21:40.01 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth alright |
| 21:40.05 | TheMasterMind1 | bkpush your pcmcia stuff |
| 21:40.05 | kergoth | Nokus: openzaurus.org describes it fully |
| 21:41.45 | Nokus | kergoth: i did read the stuff at openzaurus.org but i dont now how to use the sd-card as additional ram |
| 21:41.51 | kergoth | Nokus: eh? |
| 21:41.53 | kergoth | Nokus: RTFM. |
| 21:41.59 | kergoth | Nokus: you dont use it as RAM, you use it as storage |
| 21:42.01 | kergoth | Nokus: first of all |
| 21:42.15 | kergoth | Nokus: second, its fully documented in the FAQ system |
| 21:42.18 | TheMasterMind1 | Nokus when installing apps, you can install them to the SD via the installer |
| 21:42.34 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:42.44 | TheMasterMind1 | you'd go crazy |
| 21:42.54 | kergoth | yea i used to go on there once in a while :) |
| 21:43.41 | kergoth | cs: pcmcia_register_socket(0xc018367c) |
| 21:43.42 | kergoth | cs: pcmcia_register_socket(0xc018367c) |
| 21:43.47 | kergoth | hmm, its registering a second slot |
| 21:43.50 | kergoth | even tho we only have one |
| 21:43.52 | kergoth | better fix that |
| 21:46.14 | ljp | maybe there's actually two! |
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| 21:47.52 | AndyQ | hi all |
| 21:48.50 | AndyQ | hmmm where is everybody? |
| 21:49.03 | kergoth | ardmgr[1188]: socket 0: ATA/IDE Fixed Disk |
| 21:49.03 | kergoth | Trying to free nonexistent resource <c4835000-c483500f> |
| 21:49.03 | kergoth | hda: LEXAR ATA FLASH, ATA DISK drive |
| 21:49.03 | kergoth | ide0 at 0xc4835000-0xc4835007,0xc483500e on irq 35 |
| 21:49.03 | kergoth | ide_cs: hda: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0 |
| 21:49.05 | kergoth | cardmgr[1188]: executing: './ide start hda' |
| 21:49.08 | kergoth | spiffy! |
| 21:49.09 | AndyQ | Christmas comes and everybody gets a life :) |
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| 21:50.42 | AndyQ | kergoth: my new SFCave (SDL version), can you put it in buildroot when its ready? coz it will no longer build as part of opie |
| 21:51.02 | ibz | woo hoo!! new SFCave ;) |
| 21:51.20 | victorvdl | AndyQ: What does it do? |
| 21:51.34 | victorvdl | (Other than what previous releases did?) |
| 21:51.41 | AndyQ | victorvdl: same as the current SFCave but it uses SDL |
| 21:51.59 | AndyQ | victorvdl: actually, at the moment it doesn't do quite as much as the current version but I'm getting there |
| 21:52.31 | victorvdl | AndyQ: Ok, neat. Now I'll just compile it for my linux box, and wastes tons and tons and tons of time. ;-) |
| 21:52.40 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:52.41 | ibz | AndyQ: reverse background/foreground option? |
| 21:52.48 | ibz | AndyQ: up button bug? |
| 21:53.04 | ibz | AndyQ: of have you not recovered? |
| 21:53.08 | ibz | ;) |
| 21:53.19 | AndyQ | ibz - up button bug is fixed in CVS |
| 21:53.21 | TheMasterMind1 | sdl is cool |
| 21:53.25 | kergoth | ibz: he's probably working on getting the existing functionality before adding new :) |
| 21:53.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i used it today to play movies in console |
| 21:53.37 | TheMasterMind1 | the colors sucked, but it worked |
| 21:53.42 | AndyQ | ibz: havne't done the reverse background coz development has moved onto SDL |
| 21:54.04 | AndyQ | kergoth: yup - taken the decision to rewrite and refactor as well |
| 21:54.20 | AndyQ | kergoth: so that I can work out how it works in 6 months time :) |
| 21:54.25 | kergoth | Partition check: |
| 21:54.26 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.27 | kergoth | eek! |
| 21:54.29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:54.37 | AndyQ | kergoth: hows .19 going? |
| 21:55.02 | kergoth | pcmcia is close to working |
| 21:55.10 | AndyQ | woo! |
| 21:55.29 | AndyQ | kergoth: OK, what part is pcmcia? CF, MMC/SD or both? |
| 21:55.32 | kergoth | AndyQ: we're still on schedule for full completion in under a week |
| 21:55.34 | kergoth | AndyQ: CF. |
| 21:55.41 | kergoth | AndyQ: sd/mmc is a copmletely different animal |
| 21:55.41 | AndyQ | ahh - cool |
| 21:56.02 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone ever used that proxy application that sits in the taskbar and has a green icon? |
| 21:56.04 | TheMasterMind1 | i forget its name |
| 21:56.20 | ljp | uhh, maybe it's green icon proxy |
| 21:56.25 | AndyQ | lol |
| 21:56.26 | victorvdl | TMM1: AnalogX proxy? Yea, its great. |
| 21:56.35 | victorvdl | I am using it right now. |
| 21:56.39 | TheMasterMind1 | ah thats it |
| 21:56.49 | ljp | analogX has cool apps |
| 21:56.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp i thought you were going to jump out the window :) |
| 21:57.03 | victorvdl | ljp: yea. |
| 21:57.03 | kergoth`bbl | it helps if you enable msdos/vfat support |
| 21:57.06 | kergoth`bbl | lol |
| 21:57.13 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:57.23 | kergoth`bbl | so pcmcia may very well be working atm, minus lineo bits |
| 21:57.29 | kergoth`bbl | and right now, preempt *will* break |
| 21:57.36 | victorvdl | TMM1: http, https, pop3, smtp, ftp, socks4/4a, socks5tcp |
| 21:57.38 | ljp | I did, I told you, I landed on a pile of leaves |
| 21:57.38 | kergoth`bbl | so that comes later after we get all this functionality done |
| 21:57.44 | victorvdl | And of course, free... ;-) |
| 21:58.14 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth`bbl push push push |
| 21:58.33 | TheMasterMind1 | victorvdl yep, i just need socks to work and we're set |
| 21:58.38 | TheMasterMind1 | victorvdl i assume you're running windows then? |
| 21:59.10 | TheMasterMind1 | ljp try another window this time |
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| 21:59.44 | victorvdl | TMM1: Never in this world. But my dad is, and that's the only way I can get a connection when he is online. |
| 21:59.50 | AndyQ | yeah - one without leaves under it :) in fact make it stinging nettles ! |
| 21:59.52 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 21:59.54 | TheMasterMind1 | victorvdl ah, ok |
| 21:59.57 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog windows or linux |
| 22:00.20 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, analogx.com won't work |
| 22:00.24 | TheMasterMind1 | just my lukc |
| 22:00.28 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: Ur? |
| 22:00.36 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: Linux |
| 22:00.44 | TheMasterMind1 | ok |
| 22:00.54 | *** join/#openzaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 22:01.25 | mark | what do I do when i've eaten 100% of space on /? |
| 22:01.34 | TheMasterMind1 | cry |
| 22:01.47 | TheMasterMind1 | reboot |
| 22:01.47 | mark | done |
| 22:01.49 | victorvdl | mark: uninstall something. |
| 22:01.49 | TheMasterMind1 | that might help |
| 22:01.49 | mark | done |
| 22:01.59 | mark | victorvdl: i can't :). cant rm any files as there is no space |
| 22:02.09 | kergoth`bbl | FAT: unable to read boot sector |
| 22:02.12 | kergoth`bbl | nopte, its still hosed |
| 22:02.15 | kergoth`bbl | i'll work on it later. bbl |
| 22:02.34 | mark | c ya kergoth`bbl |
| 22:02.43 | mark | TheMasterMind1: any other suggestions? (apart from reflash :/) |
| 22:02.51 | slowhog | What's the relationship between OZ and opie? My understanding is that opie is the GUI environment & OZ is the rom image. Is this right? |
| 22:03.06 | AndyQ | later kergoth |
| 22:03.16 | ljp | slowhog: yes |
| 22:03.32 | ljp | oz is all the other stuff besides Opie |
| 22:03.44 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog opie is all the stuff that's buggy, and oz is all the stuff that isn't |
| 22:03.51 | TheMasterMind1 | ;) |
| 22:03.54 | ljp | heh riiiiiiiight |
| 22:03.57 | mark | ha |
| 22:04.18 | slowhog | So, addressbook is from opie or OZ? I believe it was included in OZ. |
| 22:04.29 | mark | slowhog: all the GUi apps are a part of opie |
| 22:04.30 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog that's a part of opie |
| 22:04.40 | mark | slowhog: OZ includes opie in its rom image |
| 22:04.42 | TheMasterMind1 | oz's default gui is opie |
| 22:04.46 | TheMasterMind1 | but you can use something else too |
| 22:04.54 | TheMasterMind1 | X/picogui etc |
| 22:04.58 | ljp | like ncurses |
| 22:05.00 | mark | does pico have any apps yet? |
| 22:05.14 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:05.19 | TheMasterMind1 | picogui is very very limited still |
| 22:05.38 | ljp | picgui needs more developers |
| 22:05.51 | slowhog | When I make in "buildroot-oz", what will that build? |
| 22:06.27 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog that will download sources for every single application oz supports and build ipks for it |
| 22:06.36 | TheMasterMind1 | and also lets you build a kernel and initrd.bin |
| 22:07.08 | ljp | analogx site works for me |
| 22:07.37 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: How do I make my own selection what apps to be included in the build? |
| 22:08.03 | victorvdl | TMM1: analogx works for me, to. |
| 22:08.39 | ljp | maybe analogx.com blocks known hacker ip's :D |
| 22:08.47 | slowhog | analogx.com works for me, too. |
| 22:10.25 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog type make menuconfig |
| 22:11.53 | TheMasterMind1 | hmm, that's weird i can't get to analogx.com from my internet connection |
| 22:11.58 | TheMasterMind1 | works from other servers |
| 22:11.58 | TheMasterMind1 | wtf |
| 22:12.14 | slowhog | I just cvs update buildroot-oz, and do a make. it asks me about CONFIG_FEATURE_DEVPTS? I thought after I copy def-config/openzaurus as .config will answer all the config questions for me? |
| 22:13.25 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog cvs update?! |
| 22:13.39 | TheMasterMind1 | we don't use cvs .. |
| 22:13.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bk oz |
| 22:13.48 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot oz bk |
| 22:13.50 | | [oz bk] bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
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| 22:14.04 | TheMasterMind1 | ibot bitkeeper |
| 22:14.06 | | methinks bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 22:18.38 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: ibot oz snapshot |
| 22:18.51 | slowhog | Oops, sorry. :-( |
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| 22:30.41 | pnis | that linux-cl with the working dir. is looking good - easy to see what to do! |
| 22:30.48 | pnis | now it will be a piece of cake :] |
| 22:31.37 | pnis | ok back to work or whatever |
| 22:36.15 | AndyQ | Anyone familiar with SDL dev on Z |
| 22:36.16 | AndyQ | ? |
| 22:37.11 | AndyQ | and if so do they know why I get the following messages reapeated lots of times in the console? |
| 22:37.13 | AndyQ | QPainter::setPen: Will be reset by begin() |
| 22:37.13 | AndyQ | QPainter::setBrush: Will be reset by begin() |
| 22:39.13 | AndyQ | No-one??? |
| 22:39.25 | AndyQ | pah! |
| 22:41.56 | slowhog | What should I do if I just want to build and install the latest version of opie-addressbook? |
| 22:43.02 | TheMasterMind1 | you'll have to build all of qte and opie |
| 22:43.12 | AndyQ | hehe |
| 22:45.03 | slowhog | And that means "make packages/opie"? |
| 22:46.45 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 22:46.52 | TheMasterMind1 | make menuconfig |
| 22:46.56 | TheMasterMind1 | select the stuff you want compiled |
| 22:46.59 | TheMasterMind1 | then type make |
| 22:47.40 | AndyQ | The other way to do it is to check out just the opie repository and just build that |
| 22:48.07 | AndyQ | see http://opie.handhelds.org then code link (left hand side) for how to do it |
| 22:48.27 | AndyQ | thats what I use as I still haven't managed to get a fully successful bk build done yet |
| 22:48.28 | mark | AndyQ: I presume setPen and setBrush are being called before begin() |
| 22:48.35 | AndyQ | and I've attempted it about 20 times |
| 22:48.54 | AndyQ | mark: using SDL, I don't call setPen or setBrush ever |
| 22:49.13 | mark | AndyQ: no, but the SDL code is |
| 22:49.53 | AndyQ | mark: heh yeah - but where ? and should I just ignore the messages - thing is I suspect that each message going out will slow things down a fraction |
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| 22:52.15 | badalex | so is there a estimate to when oz3.1 will be release? |
| 22:55.04 | badalex | oh, and are most of those 'bad' bugs fixed in release canidate 1? |
| 22:56.18 | badalex | hehe A cooler website - Seriously, just look at this site. It rocks! on why oz... nice touch |
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| 22:57.53 | slowhog | When opie dead, it brings down my touch screen, too. How can I bring the touch screen back? I can only make the touch screen to work again with a hard-reser, not even a soft-reset. |
| 22:58.16 | metaverse | hey, who was working on the forward port of xiafs and/or tweaking minix so that SD writing isn't painful? |
| 22:58.24 | metaverse | slowhog: does it drop you back to the console login? |
| 23:00.44 | slowhog | metaverse: Yes. |
| 23:01.27 | slowhog | metaverse: I can not even type a key even with VNC. :-( |
| 23:02.05 | metaverse | slowhog: when opie dies for me, I'm able to use the chiclet keys to login as root and start it again from /etc/init.d/opie start |
| 23:02.31 | metaverse | VNC won't work, cause the VNC server interfaces with opie I believe |
| 23:02.53 | slowhog | metaverse: What about touch screen? |
| 23:03.29 | metaverse | slowhog: touch screen won't work in console. It's just a console. The touch screen is like a mouse.. No mouse in console |
| 23:04.25 | metaverse | fold out the bottom dealy and use the physical keypad to login as root |
| 23:04.44 | metaverse | when you start opie again, my touchscreen came back |
| 23:05.49 | metaverse | slowhog: you can restart opie? but the touchscreen doesn't work? is that what's happening? |
| 23:06.38 | slowhog | metaverse: You are right. What am I thinking? :-P Can I start opie with a remote ssh session? I can not use keyboard as it's on the craddle. |
| 23:07.51 | slowhog | metaverse: Yes, I start opie from a remote session, and the touchscreen still not works. |
| 23:08.46 | metaverse | slowhog: hrmm. Try killall tssimd and then /usr/sbin/tssimd |
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| 23:15.46 | TheMasterMind1 | slowhog how are you starting it? |
| 23:16.02 | TheMasterMind1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.19 | slowhog | metaverse: killall tssimd and re-start tssimd does not do the magic. |
| 23:17.32 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: Yes, that's how I start opie. |
| 23:19.12 | metaverse | slowhog: when did you do it? I forgot if I had to do it while opie was running or before I started it |
| 23:19.45 | slowhog | metaverse: I do it after start opie. I am going to try to do it before. |
| 23:20.41 | slowhog | Another wierd behavior is that, when I use VNC, the first few keystokes does not work. It will work after a while. |
| 23:22.16 | metaverse | VNC doesn't work for me at all |
| 23:22.19 | slowhog | metaverse: No matter do is before or after, touchscreen just does not work. |
| 23:22.27 | metaverse | egfaults |
| 23:22.45 | metaverse | ya got me... |
| 23:23.18 | metaverse | the only other thing I can think of is moving /dev/tssim to /dev/tssim.bak and then trying the same |
| 23:23.26 | metaverse | maybe it needs to recreate the pipe.. |
| 23:24.01 | metaverse | oh.. |
| 23:24.30 | metaverse | if you're running VNC, maybe there's some conflict for the touchscreen device.. I vaguely remember this when VNC used to work for me under sharp's rom. |
| 23:24.57 | metaverse | try shuting down the vnc server, and restoring whatever it does in /dev with those tss* files |
| 23:27.29 | *** part/#openzaurus badalex (~badalex@cpe-66-1-177-91.ut.sprintbbd.net) |
| 23:28.06 | slowhog | metaverse: there is only on /dev/tssim file, and a /dev/ts.backup which is a link to sharp_ts. |
| 23:33.53 | TheMasterMind1 | ddid you guys read the faq on getting it working |
| 23:34.23 | TheMasterMind1 | 1) use the vnc ipks from oz's unstable feed 2) read the faq on calibrating the ts |
| 23:38.31 | nadav | so.. |
| 23:38.37 | TheMasterMind1 | so |
| 23:38.40 | nadav | anything big happen in the 3 days i was gone? |
| 23:38.40 | TheMasterMind1 | os |
| 23:38.43 | TheMasterMind1 | yep |
| 23:38.47 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of stuff |
| 23:38.50 | TheMasterMind1 | lots of new .19 kernel stuff |
| 23:38.58 | nadav | ah |
| 23:38.59 | nadav | cool |
| 23:40.45 | tag | with opie-irc I keep getting 'Socket error: operation not permitted' |
| 23:43.04 | tag | wierd must be a bug |
| 23:43.19 | slowhog | TheMasterMind1: Can you tell me where is the FAQ you are refering? I can not find it on http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/oz_website/faq/browse |
| 23:44.53 | tag | only seems to happen when I'm trying to connect to irc.servercentral.net |
| 23:45.01 | slowhog | Even the backlight does not work after opie dead. It never light up again without reset. |
| 23:45.41 | *** join/#openzaurus TeaX (~tx@ppp-117-172.27-151.libero.it) |
| 23:45.43 | TeaX | j #zaurus |
| 23:45.53 | TeaX | ops :P |
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| 23:50.04 | Twiun | Now... do we have some source images for pingi? |
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| 23:51.41 | Twiun | the image on oz.org is all nice and good, but I need something without the fancy background, and hopefully with an alpha channel |
| 23:52.50 | nadav | what are you working on? |
| 23:53.26 | Twiun | two things - a JVM logo for Wonka and my avatar for the dev boards ;-) |
| 23:53.34 | slowhog | Help! Where is the kbdsim module? I rmmod it, but cannot modprobe it back. FYI, I am trying to bring back the ts and backlight. |
| 23:53.42 | nadav | ah Twiun :) |
| 23:54.13 | Twiun | thinking of a pingizaurus with a cup of java in his hand... whatcha think? |
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| 23:54.42 | nadav | good idea |
| 23:55.13 | nadav | bah, brb |
